#5 06 Oct 89 14:29:17 [2] From: Rick Moen To: All Subj: Review in "The Nation" Keith Rowell (keithr@tolkien.WV.TEK.COM) has made reference in this discussion group to "the perceptive book review of Not Necessarily the New Age (Prometheus Press) by Tom Anthanasiou posted here recently" (review from "The Nation", July 10, 1989, pp 61-3). As chance would have it, Mr. Athanasiou recently sent me a copy of that review and asked for my comments. Following is the text of my recent reply: Dear Tom: First of all, thank you for the copy of your review from "The Nation". It's always a pleasure to read a well-written review of any type, and I collect those on topics like yours, as part of my little hobby of being a card-carrying skeptic. May I indulge myself with a few comments? It might help to tell you a bit about my own perspective, first. I'm an old-time leftie, a sort of anarcho-socialist: volunteer worker on a far-left kibbutz in Israel, volunteer campaign worker for Art Agnos, Leo Ryan, Ron Dellums, & Jesse Jackson, ACLU member, NOW member, donator to Greenpeace, that sort of thing. Your article was all the more interesting, given that background. So, your skirting around the brink of saying that New Age-ism is (or might be) some sort of progressive force was one of the things that perplexed me. You do this in several places: "[The New Age] shares its dark visions, if not always its metaphysical conclusions, with ecological movements and often with the left." "The left, for its part, can't afford such an easy dismissal, for in the New Age we can measure a profound alienation, one that we've largely failed to link to an attractive and compelling vision of socialism." You do draw back from the brink to say "New Age theorists are largely hostile not only to the left tradition, which they see as bound to reductionism and domination, but to critical thought and historical analysis as well [etc.]", yet I sense that you are looking back wistfully. Tom, New Age thought has, to date, been antithetical to ANY organized political efforts. A movement that teaches people not to analyse is NOT going to be an effective force for meaningful social change. On the other hand, you ascribe to the skeptics a hidebound ideological stance "that scientific knowledge can be easily and unproblematically abstracted from the society that holds it", and "rejects superstitions about the supernatural world only to embrace equally superstitious beliefs in science". This IS NOT THE SKEPTICISM I'M FAMILIAR WITH. Skeptics use scientific inquiry as, as a friend of mine puts it, "a neat tool". Belief in science is NOT a part of it. I do know some folks who do take part in a quaint worship of science -- I keep them at a distance. The day that belief becomes prevalent in skepticism is the day I and many others drop out. You would not criticise your neighbourhood carpenter for a "superstitious belief in hammers", so why criticise skeptics for their attraction to the tool called science? Yet, as BAS Secretary and as system operator of our computer conference system, I hear this sort of (unsupported) criticism all the time. We are (take your pick) fundamentalist materialists, victims of scientism, scientific realists, logical positivists, atheistic humanists, simple-minded rationalists, and/or bourgeois ideologues, according to our critics. And I didn't even get a bumper sticker! Also, skeptics already have their work cut out for them. Our chosen area of concentration is the EXAMINATION OF TESTABLE CLAIMS, in the fringe-science/medicine and paranormal fields. That's quite a task. We should be critics of science and epistemology, too? If we don't take on that additional chore, does that mean we "embrace superstitious beliefs in science" and are "bourgeois ideologues"? You also say that "science is a form of power as well as a method, and there are good reasons to distrust, not to say hate, its existing institutions". But we don't anywhere endorse those institutions. We teach and advocate a particular application of critical thought. I submit that critical thought is a (welcome) threat generally to entrenched institutions. Who is more likely to empower people to attack those institutions, the New Agers, who shun critical thought, or we, who teach it? You say "Martin Gardner, James Randi, and other luminaries of the skeptical movement are mercilessly logical in their pursuit of superstitious bunko, but they're uncritical to the point of servility when it comes to science and instrumental technology. And when high technology is at issue, artificial intelligence and nuclear power plants, skeptics are prone to an optimism both naive and credulous...." Well, I have ALL the back issues of "Skeptical Inquirer" and "BASIS" (our newsletter), and I can't find that ANYWHERE. Where, sir, might I find it? You certainly won't find it in our organization, and certainly not in ME. I'm no Feyerabend or Roszak, but I am a critic of science institutions and of technology, particularly of the type you mention. In addition, like most skeptics, I respect other approaches to knowledge (such as anthropology, non-scientific psychology, and mystical experience), where they are appropriate. The skeptics' movement has had two good tactical reasons to remain silent on political issues of all kinds: 1. The movement caters to very diverse sorts. There's a significant (but definitely minority) libertarian contingent, an almost equal number of genuine lefties (the chair and vice-chair of BAS are, respectively, a "Black Scholar Magazine" worker/Black Panther hanger-on and a dedicated union activist), some Norman Rockwell Reaganites, and the rest are all over the map. ANY political alignment would drastically restrict our appeal, and so be unwise. 2. In the opinion of many, it would diminish our credibility, reduce our impact, and diffuse our efforts. For similar reasons, we stay clear of purely philosophical/ethical disputes. So, those of us who DO advocate political change do so outside of the skeptics' movement, and hope that in the long term, less public credulity toward channeling, UFOs, psychic surgery, and other opiates will stimulate more interest in real societal change. Notwithstanding the fact that it is not our chosen field to examine epistemological problems, the psychology of belief, and so on, you WILL find such examination in the pages of "Skeptical Inquirer" and "BASIS". Thus I find your allegation of its absence to be mystifying. I refer you in particular to "SI" XIV.1 pp. 25-34, XIII.4 pp. 365-90, XIII.1 pp. 70-75, XII.4 376-85, XI.4 pp 44-50, IX.1 pp 36-55, and "BASIS" of June 1987 (on metaphysics) for starters. Even if all we did was "debunk", a world with less bunk would be a better place, no? However, that is NOT all we do! Your further comments would be most welcome, if you have time. If you would like to write an article for "BASIS" on problems of skepticism or most any topic, I'm sure it would be warmly received. -- Rick Moen, Secretary, Bay Area Skeptics (Rick_Moen@f27.n125.z1.fidonet.org) Sysop, The Skeptic's Board, 415-648-8944, 1:125/27, 8:914/207