From akbar at delixus.com Wed Mar 2 10:45:30 2005 From: akbar at delixus.com (Akbar S. Ahmed) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:02 2005 Subject: [web-team] Question about jobs list Message-ID: <20050302190016.4DDAD630402@mailgate1.dslextreme.com> Hi, Our company is located in Concord, but we have an opening for a 3 month contract, with an option extension for an additional 6 months, in LA. All travel expenses, etc. will be paid for. The job is for a specifications specialist, specifically writing SRS, SRD, etc. documents to define a business automation application. Additional tasks in include UI design and usability analysis. Is it within the jobs list guidelines to post this opening, and can I post this opportunity? Thanks, Akbar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please replace the INLUC link with a CINLUG link and link it to http://www.cinlug.org Thank you, Michael Schultheiss -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Schultheiss Central Indiana Linux Users' Group President http://www.cinlug.org E-mail: schultmc@cinlug.org From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Mar 2 20:40:08 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:02 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <20050303043335.GA18786@amellus.com> References: <20050303043335.GA18786@amellus.com> Message-ID: <20050303044008.GE27314@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Michael Schultheiss (schultmc@cinlug.org): > Under "Other Linux User Groups or Associations" at > http://www.svlug.org/farm.shtml, you link to "Indianapolis Linux Users > Consortium (INLUC)" at http://www.inluc.org > > INLUC disbanded in February 2000 and was reformed as the Central Indiana > Linux Users Group (CINLUG). Please replace the INLUC link with a CINLUG > link and link it to http://www.cinlug.org Done! Thanks. -- Cheers, Hardware: The part you kick. Rick Moen Software: The part you boot. rick@linuxmafia.com From ani_mulay at yahoo.com Sat Mar 5 19:54:00 2005 From: ani_mulay at yahoo.com (Aniruddha Mulay) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:02 2005 Subject: [web-team] FYI: SVLUG website is not accessible since yesterday morning Message-ID: <20050306035400.89174.qmail@web60910.mail.yahoo.com> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From marc_news at merlins.org Sun Mar 6 13:10:45 2005 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:02 2005 Subject: [web-team] FYI: SVLUG website is not accessible since yesterday morning In-Reply-To: <20050306035400.89174.qmail@web60910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050306035400.89174.qmail@web60910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050306211045.GF1659@merlins.org> The kernel had high uptime issues and was killing processes left and right. The machine was rebooted with a newer kernel and is happy now Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From nbs at sonic.net Mon Mar 7 14:59:55 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:02 2005 Subject: [web-team] [russ.deveau@verizon.net: RE: SVLUG on LAP site] Message-ID: <20050307225955.GA25194@sonic.net> Passing this along. :) ----- Forwarded message from Russell DeVeau ----- Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:55:36 -0500 From: "Russell DeVeau" Subject: RE: SVLUG on LAP site To: "'Bill Kendrick'" bill, I have a favor - I just directed Atul to your site where his event is posted and he asked that you make a change (he thought Trustgenix boilerplate would be used....) I am sure you have been through this before with folks -- sorry to put you through it with my team. Only the first sentence has changed as he wanted to reference his firm. Thanks. New description: Atul Tulshibagwale is co-founder and CEO of Trustgenix, Inc., a leading provider of standards-based Federated Identity Management software. Mr. Tulshibagwale is a recognized industry expert on secure Web payment, authentication, and privacy technologies for wired and wireless networks. Prior to founding Trustgenix, Mr. Tulshibagwale was a technology leader for five years at VeriSign, where he developed several digital identity and payment products, including Qualcomm BREW "3G Code Signing" Services, GoSecure! for Microsoft Exchange; the Personal Trust Agent, and Personal Trust Service. Previously, Mr. Tulshibagwale was co-founder of Entevo, an Internet security software firm that was acquired by BindView Corporation. He was also a supercomputing expert at the Indian Center for the Development of Advanced Computing. He holds an M.Tech in Computer Science from University of Pune, India. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Kendrick [mailto:nbs@sonic.net] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:32 PM To: Russell DeVeau Subject: Re: SVLUG on LAP site Sounds good, thanks! :^) On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 04:56:33PM -0500, Russell DeVeau wrote: > Bill, I am going to get July 6th on the LAP Web site, under events. I > took this blurb right from SVLUG's home page - anything else you want > posted - or do you want this edited? Let me know. Thanks, Russ. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -bill! bill@newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Mar 7 15:06:41 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:02 2005 Subject: [web-team] [russ.deveau@verizon.net: RE: SVLUG on LAP site] In-Reply-To: <20050307225955.GA25194@sonic.net> References: <20050307225955.GA25194@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20050307230641.GI27314@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > Passing this along. :) Done! (They only had one punctuation error, too. I'm impressed. ;-> ) From todv at google.com Tue Mar 8 16:29:22 2005 From: todv at google.com (Tod Vanlandingham) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] (Google) Sr. Unix/Linux Systems Administrator (Scripting/Programming, Algorithm, Networking Experience) Message-ID: <200503090029.j290TA5S001417@216-239-45-4.google.com> I was curious if you would be open to distributing the job description below to all of your UG members. I will personally respond to each person that is interested in this opening. Thank you, Tod Vanlandingham Recruiter Google (650) 623-4291 todv@google.com Company: Google Contact: Tod Vanlandingham Email: todv@google.com Website: http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/eng/reli.html Job Title: Sr. Systems Administrator W/Software Engineer Background (Extensive Unix/Linux System Administration, Scripting/Coding, and Networking Experience) Company: Google Location: Either Mountain View, CA or Dublin, Ireland -We are looking for a detail-oriented systems professional, seasoned Unix jockey, Internet services architect, database whiz, performance analyst, or software engineer, at the top of their game. -Can you help achieve increased Availability, Reliability, Uptime, and Quality? (for our systems and services, naturally) Site Reliability Engineers (SREs) are involved in all aspects of running our site, from design to debug, from architecture to applications. Google SREs spend their time troubleshooting problems in large-scale clustered application service environments, and focus on making continual improvements to our services. -Looking for the next cool problem to solve, in a fast-paced and Engineering-driven environment? -Can you write a script or application that performs practically the entire job you once held earlier in your career? -Does your idea of a good time involve taking things apart just to see how they work? Are you successful putting them back together when you're done? -This position requires a passion for problem solving, deep understanding of networks, operating systems, multi-tiered Internet services, and the ability to learn new applications and concepts quickly. Strong scripting skills are essential. -As an SRE, you will wear many hats: performance analyst, service architect, system/database administrator, capacity planner, tools developer, monitoring expert, and technical evangelist, for all components of Google's Ads services. I will take the guess work out of whether or not you are a fit!!! If you can answer yes to all of the following questions, you are a possible fit, so please apply! 1. Do you have at least a BS or BA in computer science or a related technical field? 2. Do you have 3+ years of experience as a Unix/Linux Systems Administrator or networking architecture experience? 3. Do you have experience in a high-volume or critical production service environment? 4. Do you have experience in Python programming or Perl or scripting? 5. Do you have experience with programming and troubleshooting skills in C/C++ and or Java? 6. Do you have excellent written and verbal communication skills? 7. Have you been at a majority of your companies for at least 3 years or more (this question does not apply to contractors)? If you have answered yes to all of the above questions, please read on and apply for this position! Please be sure your resume clearly reflects the experience asked about above. For immediate consideration, please send a text (ASCII) or HTML version of your resume to : todv@google.com Thank you, Tod Vanlandingham Google Talent Acquisition (650) 623-4291 todv@google.com Media Coverage: http://www.google.com/press/press.html Corporate Overview: http://www.google.com/corporate/index.html Top 10 Reasons to Work at Google: http://www.google.com/jobs/reasons.html Looking for interesting work that matters to millions of people? http://www.google.com/jobs/great-people-needed.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/web-team/attachments/20050308/fb722893/attachment.htm From marc_news at merlins.org Tue Mar 8 16:34:06 2005 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] (Google) Sr. Unix/Linux Systems Administrator (Scripting/Programming, Algorithm, Networking Experience) In-Reply-To: <200503090029.j290TA5S001417@216-239-45-4.google.com> References: <200503090029.j290TA5S001417@216-239-45-4.google.com> Message-ID: <20050309003406.GB5388@merlins.org> On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 04:29:22PM -0800, Tod Vanlandingham wrote: > I was curious if you would be open to distributing the job description below > to all of your UG members. I will personally respond to each person that is > interested in this opening. The list is jobs@svlug.org. Note, you may want to check the formatting, it looks weird (lines cut in the wrong place, lots of empty lines, etc...) Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From nbs at sonic.net Wed Mar 9 12:55:26 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [charney@charneyday.com: [svlug] Accent Technology has ceased operations.] Message-ID: <20050309205526.GB21285@sonic.net> I suggest that this, as well as the fact that we need a new meeting place, should be placed in the SVLUG News section of the www.svlug.org front page. Thx! -bill! ----- Forwarded message from "Reg. Charney" ----- Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:06:41 -0800 From: "Reg. Charney" Subject: [svlug] Accent Technology has ceased operations. To: Silicon Valley Linux User Group Reply-To: charney@charneyday.com I spoke with Tom Currier today and he told me that Accent Technologies has ceased operating. CrossBow, who shared space with Accent, will be there until the end of the month. This means that we will need to find a new location for the InstallFest. Reg. _______________________________________________ svlug mailing list svlug@lists.svlug.org http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/svlug ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -bill! bill@newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Mar 9 13:18:13 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [charney@charneyday.com: [svlug] Accent Technology has ceased operations.] In-Reply-To: <20050309205526.GB21285@sonic.net> References: <20050309205526.GB21285@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20050309211813.GY27314@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > I suggest that this, as well as the fact that we need a new meeting place, > should be placed in the SVLUG News section of the www.svlug.org front page. Wow, the bad news just keeps on coming. This (also) hurts. Well, I've altered the news item, and changed the front-page (RHS) reference to the installfest location, to match. In a minute or so, I'll see about the installfest subpage. From bill at svlug.org Wed Mar 9 15:47:43 2005 From: bill at svlug.org (William R Ward) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [charney@charneyday.com: [svlug] Accent Technology has ceased operations.] In-Reply-To: <20050309211813.GY27314@linuxmafia.com> References: <20050309205526.GB21285@sonic.net> <20050309211813.GY27314@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <16943.35615.122476.807900@komodo.home.wards.net> Rick Moen writes: >Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > >> I suggest that this, as well as the fact that we need a new meeting place, >> should be placed in the SVLUG News section of the www.svlug.org front page. > >Wow, the bad news just keeps on coming. This (also) hurts. Well, I've >altered the news item, and changed the front-page (RHS) reference to the >installfest location, to match. > >In a minute or so, I'll see about the installfest subpage. We actually need two meeting locations now, one for the regular meeting and one for the installfest. Please amend the article on the home page to make that clear - it looks from the way it is now, that we need a place for the installfest but just haven't mentioned where the meeting is. --Bill. -- William R. Ward - Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group bill@svlug.org - http://www.svlug.org - (650) 279-9904 From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Mar 9 15:57:36 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [charney@charneyday.com: [svlug] Accent Technology has ceased operations.] In-Reply-To: <16943.35615.122476.807900@komodo.home.wards.net> References: <20050309205526.GB21285@sonic.net> <20050309211813.GY27314@linuxmafia.com> <16943.35615.122476.807900@komodo.home.wards.net> Message-ID: <20050309235736.GS25252@linuxmafia.com> Quoting William R Ward (bill@svlug.org): > We actually need two meeting locations now, one for the regular > meeting and one for the installfest. I'm extremely well aware of the need for a general meeting location. As is, surely, every other SVLUG member by now. I didn't add a second news item (about needing general meeting space, too) at that time, because I was dealing with the immediate request, and because I was short on time on account of a very busy work day. Anyhow, I've now made the issue about as clear as I think one can! From nbs at sonic.net Wed Mar 9 16:09:20 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [charney@charneyday.com: [svlug] Accent Technology has ceased operations.] In-Reply-To: <20050309235736.GS25252@linuxmafia.com> References: <20050309205526.GB21285@sonic.net> <20050309211813.GY27314@linuxmafia.com> <16943.35615.122476.807900@komodo.home.wards.net> <20050309235736.GS25252@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20050310000920.GA9790@sonic.net> On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 03:57:36PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting William R Ward (bill@svlug.org): > > > We actually need two meeting locations now, one for the regular > > meeting and one for the installfest. > > I'm extremely well aware of the need for a general meeting location. > As is, surely, every other SVLUG member by now. Heh, after prodding Paul to post a message to svlug-announce. I had only recently heard about the Cisco location going away in the past week or so, as I hadn't made the last couple of meetings. :) > I didn't add a second news item (about needing general meeting space, > too) at that time, because I was dealing with the immediate request, and > because I was short on time on account of a very busy work day. > > Anyhow, I've now made the issue about as clear as I think one can! Looks perfect, to me. Thanks! -bill! From bill at svlug.org Wed Mar 9 16:32:36 2005 From: bill at svlug.org (William R Ward) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [charney@charneyday.com: [svlug] Accent Technology has ceased operations.] In-Reply-To: <20050309235736.GS25252@linuxmafia.com> References: <20050309205526.GB21285@sonic.net> <20050309211813.GY27314@linuxmafia.com> <16943.35615.122476.807900@komodo.home.wards.net> <20050309235736.GS25252@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <16943.38308.836760.386522@komodo.home.wards.net> Rick Moen writes: >Quoting William R Ward (bill@svlug.org): > >> We actually need two meeting locations now, one for the regular >> meeting and one for the installfest. > >I'm extremely well aware of the need for a general meeting location. I know. >As is, surely, every other SVLUG member by now. I am not so sure about that. Not everyone comes to the meetings, and if you procmail your mailing list mail into a folder you might not see it. Also, non-members who might just visit the site wouldn't know about it. >I didn't add a second news item (about needing general meeting space, >too) at that time, because I was dealing with the immediate request, and >because I was short on time on account of a very busy work day. > >Anyhow, I've now made the issue about as clear as I think one can! Thanks - looks good now! -- William R. Ward - Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group bill@svlug.org - http://www.svlug.org - (650) 279-9904 From nbs at sonic.net Thu Mar 10 11:30:28 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] Vertical space between meetings on front page Message-ID: <20050310193028.GA12411@sonic.net> I just glanced at the SVLUG home page and read this: Topic: Linux Clustering Wednesday, May 4th, 2005 Eep! Well, actually, upon closer investigation, it actually comes out: Wednesday, Apr. 6th, 2005 Donald Becker, CTO, Penguin Computing Topic: Linux Clustering Wednesday, May 4th, 2005 David B. Allen Topic: Windows to Linux Migration Roadmap But, it's a little crammed together (hence my initial confusion). Might I suggest a little white space (or an
bar, even?) between the two meetings listed on the front page? Thx! -bill! From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Mar 10 11:33:32 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] Vertical space between meetings on front page In-Reply-To: <20050310193028.GA12411@sonic.net> References: <20050310193028.GA12411@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20050310193332.GO27314@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > Well, actually, upon closer investigation, it actually comes out: > > Wednesday, Apr. 6th, 2005 > Donald Becker, CTO, Penguin Computing > Topic: Linux Clustering > Wednesday, May 4th, 2005 > David B. Allen > Topic: Windows to Linux Migration Roadmap It was missing a "

". Fixed. From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Mar 17 17:43:12 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] (forw) Re: SVLUG installfests at Google Message-ID: <20050318014312.GH4118@linuxmafia.com> Mark Nielsen of Google contacted me and Peter Neal about the new meeting location, as noted. I've just now created a first pass at the replacement directions page, and added it to CVS: http://www.svlug.org/directions/google.shtml . You'll note that the VTA and CalTrain directions aren't there yet -- but they will be. ----- Forwarded message from Mark Nielsen ----- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:30:45 -0800 From: Mark Nielsen To: Rick Moen CC: Peter Neal Subject: Re: SVLUG installfests at Google Hey guys! The room is reserved. Let me know when you want to stop by and check things out. I want to check check it out as well. The instructions below might change because I think there is a north entrance door, but it may only be an exit door (which is an entrance door if we hold it open). I still don't know about internet access. So here is the deal. *Name* *Location * *Building * *Floor * *Room # * *Phone * *Capacity * *Equipment * Avarua Mountain View 46 1 135 650-584-*9266* 24+ people 2 Mitsubishi projectors You can publish this info EXCEPT for the phone no. Instructions: When you arrive, there is plenty of parking. NOTE: The door will not be propped open. Go to the entrance, and there will be one of two ways to get in: 1. In case there is no one at the door, there will be directions posted at the NORTH entrance which will have: a. The phone number to call the meeting room. Do not publish this phone no. b. The room is located right next to the north entrance. Stand in front of the windows, jump up and down, wave hysterically, and someone will probably notice you. 2. Every once in a while, a security guard has been instructed to walk around and catch strays (and you will be properly neutered -- I mean escorted to the meeting). Do not rely on this. After you have fought your way through fire to get inside, there are nice cool refreshments waiting for you. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=%201565%20Charleston%2C%20mountain%20view%2C%20ca&spn=0.012360%2C0.017165&hl=en Building 46 1565 Charleston Mountain View, CA 94043 Directions to get there: Heading south on 101, get off at the Rengstorff Ave exit and turn left (east). Heading north on 101, get off at the Ampitheatre Parkway exit off of 101, turn right (east). Turn right on Charleston (the 1st light past the bridge over 101). Turn right on Huff Ave (about 3 streets down). It is the 2nd building on the left. Look for building 46. Park anywhere next to any building that has the "Google" name on it. NOTE: You will not be on the main campus of Google. ----- End forwarded message ----- From bill at svlug.org Thu Mar 24 18:13:30 2005 From: bill at svlug.org (William R Ward) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] April 6th Meeting of SVLUG In-Reply-To: <2ed3bf010503241437298c28f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ed3bf010503241437298c28f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <16963.29642.864028.753279@komodo.home.wards.net> Rick, Please update the SVLUG Web site to show the following: >Silicon Valley Linux User Group > >Wednesday, April 6th, 2005 >7:00 to 9:00 p.m. > >Westin Hotel, Santa Clara, California >Ballrooms C & D > >Donald Becker, CTO, Penguin Computing >Topic: Linux Clustering > >Complimentary parking available in the deck off Great America. Please >arrive early. There will be direction signs in the hotel lobby. For >more information, please visit http://www.svlug.org. -- William R. Ward - Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group bill@svlug.org - http://www.svlug.org - (650) 279-9904 From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Mar 24 19:54:05 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] April 6th Meeting of SVLUG In-Reply-To: <16963.29642.864028.753279@komodo.home.wards.net> References: <2ed3bf010503241437298c28f5@mail.gmail.com> <16963.29642.864028.753279@komodo.home.wards.net> Message-ID: <20050325035404.GR27314@linuxmafia.com> Quoting William R Ward (bill@svlug.org): > Please update the SVLUG Web site to show the following: Thanks; I've recently gotten full details separately from Chris Verges, and am implementing. From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Mar 24 21:52:42 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] April 6th Meeting of SVLUG In-Reply-To: <16963.29642.864028.753279@komodo.home.wards.net> References: <2ed3bf010503241437298c28f5@mail.gmail.com> <16963.29642.864028.753279@komodo.home.wards.net> Message-ID: <20050325055242.GS27314@linuxmafia.com> Quoting William R Ward (bill@svlug.org): > >Complimentary parking available in the deck off Great America. Please > >arrive early. There will be direction signs in the hotel lobby. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If I may ask, whose information is this, and where is that person's information coming from? Chris Verge, who lined up the site through Cisco, said this: > there will be signs at the hotel as everyone enters to direct them to > the proper place Having researched the hotel's meeting facilities, and having been there for more than a few events, it's not entirely clear to me that putting signs in the _hotel lobby_ would be very useful. Ballrooms C & D appear to be (per the hotel Web site[1]) not at the Westin at all, but rather at the nearby Santa Clara Convention Center. Attendees are likely to park in the parking structure on the south edge of the hotel, right across an alley from the convention centre (or in the adjoining street-level lots): For them to walk to the hotel lobby would be to go _away_ from the ballrooms, as far as I can tell from online. I'll be visiting the site in person to check. Meanwhile, Chris seems so far the person closest to canonical information. From bill at svlug.org Fri Mar 25 00:10:51 2005 From: bill at svlug.org (William R Ward) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] April 6th Meeting of SVLUG In-Reply-To: <20050325055242.GS27314@linuxmafia.com> References: <2ed3bf010503241437298c28f5@mail.gmail.com> <16963.29642.864028.753279@komodo.home.wards.net> <20050325055242.GS27314@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <16963.51083.118572.124957@komodo.home.wards.net> Rick Moen writes: >Quoting William R Ward (bill@svlug.org): > >> >Complimentary parking available in the deck off Great America. Please >> >arrive early. There will be direction signs in the hotel lobby. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >If I may ask, whose information is this, and where is that person's >information coming from? Chris Verge, who lined up the site through >Cisco, said this: > >> there will be signs at the hotel as everyone enters to direct them to >> the proper place Both texts came from Chris Verge, as far as I know. I suggest confirming with him what he meant exactly. -- William R. Ward - Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group bill@svlug.org - http://www.svlug.org - (650) 279-9904 From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Mar 25 08:08:29 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] April 6th Meeting of SVLUG In-Reply-To: <16963.51083.118572.124957@komodo.home.wards.net> References: <2ed3bf010503241437298c28f5@mail.gmail.com> <16963.29642.864028.753279@komodo.home.wards.net> <20050325055242.GS27314@linuxmafia.com> <16963.51083.118572.124957@komodo.home.wards.net> Message-ID: <20050325160829.GC4118@linuxmafia.com> Quoting William R Ward (bill@svlug.org): > Both texts came from Chris Verge, as far as I know. I suggest > confirming with him what he meant exactly. Thanks. I have done so, and have revised according. From ikluft at thunder.sbay.org Sat Mar 26 05:30:51 2005 From: ikluft at thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] meeting directions Message-ID: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> Hmmm... I told the officers that I was working on the directions for the SVLUG meeting. I see in the web-team archive that Bill Ward asked the web team to do the directions after I told the officers I was already doing that. I'm not on the web-team list. But I have been doing the directions for SVLUG's web site for 7 years. So I was not happy to find out that Bill asked others to do that *after* I said I was working on it, *after* I had visited the Westin to get GPS coordinates and advice from their staff, etc. Not happy at all... Why did you do that Bill? You did the same thing with the Installfest *after* I told the officers and Mark Nielsen I'd do the directions for it. What gives? You want me to stop helping? So, the real meeting directions are up now. There will be some more tweaks and a map still coming. Coordinate with me next time, OK? One very discouraged volunteer... From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 26 07:29:01 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] meeting directions In-Reply-To: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> References: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> Message-ID: <20050326152900.GV27314@linuxmafia.com> Hi, there. I think indeed we have a problem: A person who is neither the webmaster nor on the Web team nor one of the two elected SVLUG officers has used his possession of host root access to discard my general meeting page, my general meeting maps, my distance measurements, my public transit and parking instructions, and the results of my in-person site survey. Presumably, my work is still in CVS, I very sincerely hope. A minor point: I created personally some of SVLUG's directions / map pages in the past, including at least one of those for the Cisco sites -- though they were subsequently discarded by this same volunteer. I do appreciate that volunteer's work, and will endeavour to use it as appropriate -- but we really cannot have this sort of thing happen. Best Regards, Rick Moen SVLUG webmaster From preed at svlug.org Sat Mar 26 13:08:50 2005 From: preed at svlug.org (J. Paul Reed) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] meeting directions In-Reply-To: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> References: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> Message-ID: <20050326210850.GA32431@svlug.org> On 26 Mar 2005 at 05:30:51, Ian Kluft arranged the bits on my disk to say: > Why did you do that Bill? You did the same thing with the Installfest > *after* I told the officers and Mark Nielsen I'd do the directions for it. > What gives? You want me to stop helping? Bill and I had a lunch meeting yesterday and, among other things, we discussed the current "team's" (and I use the term loosely) track record and ability to communicate with each other. In short, it sucks. We've got multiple people working on the same thing, stepping on each other's toes and wasting precious time and effort; we've got people speaking and acting upon SVLUG, via the website, email, and phone calls, when they have no authority to do so. We've got officers who are unhappy with the situation, and now, volunteers who are unhappy with the situation. This has to stop. As I told Bill, this is not a blame-finding mission, although I do blame myself for not coordinating the lines of communication better. Bill and I discussed some procedural changes we're going to be making that will hopefully help here, but unless we start thinking of everyone who's helping out as a team and not automatically assuming the worst intentions, it doesn't matter how much communication we have; we're all going to fail. And that's bad for SVLUG. I want everyone to think about this issue. At some point in the short term future (I'm thinking April), I'm going to call a dinner-meeting; I will expect everyone who wants to help out with SVLUG to be there and I'll schedule it enough in advance so that we can get everyone there. We'll be talking about this, and other issues related to SVLUG's organization, execution, and future. And now, to specifically reply to an issue that I'd rather deal with privately, but will respond to publicly because you both emailed public forums: On 26 Mar 2005 at 07:29:01, Rick Moen arranged the bits on my disk to say: > Hi, there. I think indeed we have a problem: A person who is neither > the webmaster nor on the Web team nor one of the two elected SVLUG > officers has used his possession of host root access to discard my > general meeting page, my general meeting maps, my distance measurements, > my public transit and parking instructions, and the results of my > in-person site survey. I quoted Rick's mail here, because I quoted Ian's above, but my initial response to BOTH your emails was: quit it guys. This feud you two have going is getting *really* old, and everyone is tired of it. I don't care who did what to whom years ago. And frankly, no one else does either. I'm not going to get in the middle of it or take sides, but I will tell you: if you two want to be involved with SVLUG--and you both seem dedicated to the group, and we all hugely appreciate that; you are both valued members of the SVLUG team--you *have* to be able to work together. You don't have to like each other. You don't have to get along with each other. You don't have to have Sunday brunch with each other. But if you want to help out, you DO HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. And you have to do it without trying to get in these little pot shots at each other at every possible opportunity. That is, if you want to help SVLUG out. And I hope you do. BOTH of you. I'll be addressing this further with both of you offline. But that's my official position, in regards to you two, and for ANY volunteer who wants to help SVLUG out. Now, in regards to the website/directions issue: for the Westin directions, both of you can submit your updates to me. I will update the website for this specific event. I'm hoping that next time, we can coordinate who's working on what; for this time around, I'll fix up the final version of the page. Rick and Ian: you can submit feedback about what's up there and what you'd like to see PRIVATELY via email to me. I know Rick was going to do another survey today; I don't know what he was going for, but Rick: you can send those updates to me. Ian: I'll let you know when the updates are live, and you can preview them and suggest changes. Thanks for the previous work you both put in on this, guys. Later, Paul -- President Silicon Valley Linux Users' Group preed@svlug.org From ikluft at thunder.sbay.org Sat Mar 26 13:23:27 2005 From: ikluft at thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] meeting directions In-Reply-To: <20050326210850.GA32431@svlug.org> References: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> <20050326210850.GA32431@svlug.org> Message-ID: <20050326212327.GA27818@thunder.sbay.org> On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 01:08:50PM -0800, J. Paul Reed wrote: > On 26 Mar 2005 at 07:29:01, Rick Moen arranged the bits on my disk to say: > > Hi, there. I think indeed we have a problem: A person who is neither > > the webmaster nor on the Web team nor one of the two elected SVLUG > > officers has used his possession of host root access to discard my > > general meeting page, my general meeting maps, my distance measurements, > > my public transit and parking instructions, and the results of my > > in-person site survey. > > I quoted Rick's mail here, because I quoted Ian's above, but my initial > response to BOTH your emails was: quit it guys. > > This feud you two have going is getting *really* old, and everyone is > tired of it. I don't care who did what to whom years ago. And frankly, no > one else does either. Yes it is old. After lasdt August, I don't respond to Rick any more. I'll clarify that I don't have root access on the box. I didn't remove any files. As far as I saw, only a small rudimentary incomplete set of directions were on the box, which can still be found in the RCS file if you need to compare. None of what he claimed existed, which makes this whole thing look intention to me. OK, whatever. So if this is what I have to put up with, I will help solve this matter by stepping completely out of the way. It's all yours. Actually, SVLUG's politics have been the bane of my efforts to coordinate sbay.org. I really wish I had never considered Steve Traugott's proposal to merge the two groups. But it isn't too late to fix that if one of SVLUG's elected officers would like to propose having SVLUG go its own way. There's nothing I can do to stop you if you make that decision. And believe me, if you take your politics with you, it would be a relief. From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 26 13:55:18 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] meeting directions In-Reply-To: <20050326210850.GA32431@svlug.org> References: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> <20050326210850.GA32431@svlug.org> Message-ID: <20050326215518.GO4118@linuxmafia.com> Hi, Paul. I appreciate your efforts, and concern for the well-being of the group. Looking from my perspective, as the currently sole active member of the Web Team (despite ongoing hopes that Heather will find time again), I created a needed page and set of maps -- only to see, to my astonishment, my work get nuked by someone who has nothing to do with the Web Team, and who did that without any consultation or contact. > if you two want to be involved with SVLUG--and you both seem dedicated > to the group, and we all hugely appreciate that; you are both valued > members of the SVLUG team--you *have* to be able to work together. Works for me. But Ian's unilaterally nuking the webmaster's work, and then complaining that people should "coordinate with" _him_, seems like a really weird way to "work together". I've merely been trying to do my job as webmaster. That work not only got interfered with; it got demolished. All I've said is: We really cannot have this sort of thing happen. > I know Rick was going to do another survey today; I don't know what he > was going for, but Rick: you can send those updates to me. Checking my understanding of site logistics. Also, you asked me to take pictures. > Thanks for the previous work you both put in on this, guys. Sure. You're quite welcome. From bill at svlug.org Sat Mar 26 21:14:59 2005 From: bill at svlug.org (William R Ward) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] meeting directions In-Reply-To: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> References: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> Message-ID: <16966.16723.298721.731617@komodo.home.wards.net> Ian Kluft writes: >Hmmm... I told the officers that I was working on the directions for the >SVLUG meeting. I see in the web-team archive that Bill Ward asked the web >team to do the directions after I told the officers I was already doing that. No, I asked Rick to post the address. I said nothing about directions. >I'm not on the web-team list. But I have been doing the directions for >SVLUG's web site for 7 years. So I was not happy to find out that Bill >asked others to do that *after* I said I was working on it, *after* I had >visited the Westin to get GPS coordinates and advice from their staff, etc. >Not happy at all... > >Why did you do that Bill? You did the same thing with the Installfest >*after* I told the officers and Mark Nielsen I'd do the directions for it. >What gives? You want me to stop helping? No, I didn't tell anyone to write instructions to either the Installfest OR the Westin. Get your facts straight before making accusations. -- William R. Ward - Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group bill@svlug.org - http://www.svlug.org - (650) 279-9904 From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 26 22:15:29 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] meeting directions In-Reply-To: <16966.16723.298721.731617@komodo.home.wards.net> References: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> <16966.16723.298721.731617@komodo.home.wards.net> Message-ID: <20050327061528.GX27314@linuxmafia.com> Quoting William R Ward (bill@svlug.org): > I didn't tell anyone to write instructions to either the Installfest > OR the Westin. Please let me clarify. I took care of those two tasks because they needed doing _and_ because they're the Web Team's (webmasters') responsibility. The Web Team has consisted for some time of me and Heather Stern (and unfortunately Heather's been rather too busy to help lately). You're aware of this, but just in case anyone else isn't: Web maintenance is coordinated on the web-team@lists.svlug.org mailing list: http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/web-team/ People intending to make significant changes to SVLUG's Web pages (obviously) need to be on that list. (Thus, Heather's there, I'm there, you're there, Paul's there, etc.) That's not new: Site maintenance has been coordinated that way since forever. Even though I've been the sole active Web Team guy for a while, I've been nonetheless posting there about anything significant going on, if only to make sure you and Paul are kept informed, and so I can consult you on policy matters. Documentation about the Web Team: http://www.svlug.org/teams/web-team.shtml (As has been my practice elsewhere, I've updated and corrected that page, but made no substantive change otherwise.) The Web Team has occasionally had dinners in the past, and, oddly enough, Heather and I had _already_ been planning to have one soon, in part in hopes of roping in Margaret Wendell, who expressed interest in helping. From preed at svlug.org Sat Mar 26 22:18:26 2005 From: preed at svlug.org (J. Paul Reed) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:57:03 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] meeting directions In-Reply-To: <20050327061528.GX27314@linuxmafia.com> References: <20050326133051.GF29705@thunder.sbay.org> <16966.16723.298721.731617@komodo.home.wards.net> <20050327061528.GX27314@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20050327061826.GC7524@svlug.org> On 26 Mar 2005 at 22:15:29, Rick Moen arranged the bits on my disk to say: > Quoting William R Ward (bill@svlug.org): > > > I didn't tell anyone to write instructions to either the Installfest > > OR the Westin. > > Please let me clarify. This thread ends now. I will be following up with everyone involved individually. Later, Paul -- President Silicon Valley Linux Users' Group preed@svlug.org