From rhct95051 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 2 09:05:29 2004 From: rhct95051 at yahoo.com (J G) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:53 2005 Subject: [web-team] volunteer In-Reply-To: <20040731230922.GB26678@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040802160529.37681.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com> Yes..it has not gone anywhere. Its ok...i will see you at the picnic this Saturday... let me know where to look for you.. I will be bringing my twins to cause rampage and havoc..:) Marc MERLIN wrote: On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 02:56:55PM -0700, Ian Kluft wrote: > >From: J G > >I want to get more experience in web services specially Apache in Linux. > > > >I would like to volunteer to be on the Web team. > > > >I am a Redhat Certified Technician. > > > >thank you > > > > jeff > > Hi Jeff. Thanks for volunteering. (Do you mind if we ask what your > last name is? It wasn't in your e-mail. I think Marc will want to know > who you are in order to create an account on the server.) I guess this hasn't gone anywhere while I was gone. If you are still interested in volunteering (we just picked up two people), please come meet one of us at an SVLUG meeting or at the picnic and bring your initial password for your account Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/web-team/attachments/20040802/a815def4/attachment.html From bill at wards.net Mon Aug 2 11:33:20 2004 From: bill at wards.net (William R Ward) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [LinuxPicnic] Picnix link added to SVLUG In-Reply-To: <20040801001002.GG26678@merlins.org> References: <16649.18667.10371.470449@komodo.home.wards.net> <20040731230150.GA26678@merlins.org> <16652.13353.934334.343589@komodo.home.wards.net> <20040801001002.GG26678@merlins.org> Message-ID: <16654.35056.965938.823611@komodo.home.wards.net> Marc MERLIN writes: >On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 05:07:05PM -0700, William R Ward wrote: >> don't know if it still works or what. I don't know how you would sign >> an SSH key, but I'm happy to explore it. Can we do it over the phone? > >We could but I'll be honest that I won't necessarily recognize your voice. >(sorry, you can tell my job and security have gotten the better of me >sometimes :) Did you see Ian's latest message on the speakers list? Someone needs to update the site ASAP. Bill Kendrick volunteered but he needs to be given access. Or I could, if we could find a way to resolve the key signing issue. >> Or should I print it out and take it with me to the picnic or >> something so you can confirm it's the same as the one in the email? > >Considering it's not that far away, that sounds like the best deal, yep. >You can also give it to Ian since he also has root Now that Ian is boycotting the job, I think the priority needs to be re-thought. >> Good thing you don't have to speak then! :-) > >Indeed :) Did you have a good time? -- William R Ward bill@wards.net http://www.wards.net/~bill/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Movies are like life with all the dull parts left out." - Alfred Hitchcock From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 2 12:12:43 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] stale RCS locks on SVLUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040802191243.GD5923@linuxmafia.com> Quoting SVLUG CVS Locksmith (cvs-watcher@svlug.org): > [This message was automatically generated.] > > The following files have RCS locks older than 36 hours: > /var/www/html/meetings.shtml (54.2 hours, locked by rick) Partway through revamping that. Will finish up that and other initial fixes, today. Thanks! From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 2 13:47:41 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Getting started In-Reply-To: <20040801001059.GH26678@merlins.org> References: <20040730190442.GA27944@linuxmafia.com> <20040731234505.GA2031@starshine.org> <20040801001059.GH26678@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040802204741.GE5923@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc_news@merlins.org): > rick is already in webslave, and instead of doing the ci/co, you should just > use the evim wrapper, it'll do everything for you Yeah, Marc was kind enough to send me a three-liner reminding me that the wrapper takes care of permissions, and I spent Friday afternoon beavering through a bunch of the Web pages, fixing things. Yes, I know that the two biggest things aren't fixed, yet (adding the August meeting, and moving the July meeting to the past-events page). I ran abruptly out of time on Friday afternoon, and will finish up this afternoon (soon as I have some breathing time, today being a bit busy). From bill at wards.net Mon Aug 2 16:59:49 2004 From: bill at wards.net (William R Ward) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [LinuxPicnic] Picnix link added to SVLUG In-Reply-To: <20040801001002.GG26678@merlins.org> References: <16649.18667.10371.470449@komodo.home.wards.net> <20040731230150.GA26678@merlins.org> <16652.13353.934334.343589@komodo.home.wards.net> <20040801001002.GG26678@merlins.org> Message-ID: <16654.54645.629291.889280@komodo.home.wards.net> Marc MERLIN writes: >On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 05:07:05PM -0700, William R Ward wrote: >> don't know if it still works or what. I don't know how you would sign >> an SSH key, but I'm happy to explore it. Can we do it over the phone? > >We could but I'll be honest that I won't necessarily recognize your voice. >(sorry, you can tell my job and security have gotten the better of me >sometimes :) Here's my GPG key. I've printed out the fingerprint and will carry it in my wallet from now on. Next time I see you, perhaps you can verify it. --Bill. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQGiBDyjvl8RBACfJpyYLMqiY+uxKtsR6O81EOm3SSsmUHGcblvjwYOShK1inr42 3PJiL/s9Pr9dP8khhxERkYSDL6IFGZkK2ZLrjorjgf6X1L33QJKzivU8E1XgPsyS sQpar3n1Z9YwCgvcY+H6y8W/WM7dZ6s1fFb/A48j44DO4VQaHBYXkGwslwCgxuwn JV8GHNvalffv1hr/Q/PpAqMD/iMYxb24bvrifVhH60KniV9S5HDLGjflTE2Q4Bgd hF4ZWoDhPf9xk5P8rKKeQGBLb5H8v1STNEi5hQkLX6xBX5WjZ9TO3CgHiannPoY8 8wiMo6EqOHONxv73mEtOYXJs91ptE3Ra752WmMDlz24aZNRVKLTUrhbaK3qnuNRK JWO2BACcL8NIGgF7yt7VB2/uSH/XSjmF5xeBUIA/AhzQc5GqwfZBar+lLVf9/owE Iw3vmiGWjH2opH5+f5u8vFzSU7ts6I/Sm3valYvZI1is7dphGMbyyrVniGfZJMIj 4Yq3LVU3Ejbst6+fHp0nCoeIcNS0LyPyy8CZgCFyPql6yiFDgLQgV2lsbGlhbSBS LiBXYXJkIDxiaWxsQHdhcmRzLm5ldD6IVwQTEQIAFwUCPKO+XwULBwoDBAMVAwID FgIBAheAAAoJEMTUTdUxpvvXOXcAn3aI+RkrNPXWs60UwzxhVKJK3N/oAJ0bttDJ E83LoruayhArLv0sq34gk7kBDQQ8o75oEAQArNIUgzfYEMl+t6BQXJyCzZpUU9xK gTuctGLZXW0Vf4hNbOnN01qnclVkAhTTi5En7RN3fFbxd+agZ7GDXIzpIBoG/L3M dZFxu/0MsQUW3otLAC2Jb233wdNNkDwGF40eYzYSWEWL5UQsc0srlrbdzozmeL4a GJt+3YOnqZXA6sMAAwYD/jTzhCixCkrKIJtvAGyRY8KHr/KTmdbr4K+CIgroP8dj kT5WdMhSPlx/G9si3r7P9k9c4i7vjyvGzqMJYJs1ZaBHW6peXlb48CM2mm5yUbtm IhKjwBneZvMGhccBmX7zzW5foDYeWClxXdpnRwBbdCO1TFQAl7j+vlGI8ps9Jo9B iEYEGBECAAYFAjyjvmgACgkQxNRN1TGm+9fBNwCfe9nbYS6TRlNLm8hi/6uUrRHA qyoAnj9WVhiPZI7Eakoc1UGSw4izJZBy =v27o -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -- William R Ward bill@wards.net http://www.wards.net/~bill/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Movies are like life with all the dull parts left out." - Alfred Hitchcock From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 2 18:32:41 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Getting started In-Reply-To: <20040731234505.GA2031@starshine.org> References: <20040730190442.GA27944@linuxmafia.com> <20040731234505.GA2031@starshine.org> Message-ID: <20040803013241.GF5923@linuxmafia.com> Hi, all. Think we're caught up, to a first approximation: That includes, most vitally, putting up August meeting data. I changed no other substantive content. My quick circuit through the HTML on Friday included index.shtml, farm.shtml, events.shtml, events.html, footer.*, header.*, 404handler.shtml, projects.shtml, mbone.shtml, meetings.shtml, membership.shtml, news.shtml, officers.shtml, prevmeet.shtml, search.shtml, sponsors.shtml, and wrkshop.shtml. In part, I was reacquainting myself with site design -- including what *.shtml or *.html files are currently orphaned (not linked to), of which there are 16 in the main directory. (I left them alone; I just made a note of them for my reference.) (In case anyone cares:) As I went through, I lightly fixed up punctuation, grammar, capitalisation, and spelling: We now have the following words (among others, I hope!) correctly spelled: February, accommodate, liaison, compatibility, tunneling, European, Slashdot, specific, hierarchical, Stanford, SUSE, and Linux(!). > We have a cronscript that gets verbose about leaving locked files up, so > do remember to ci -u :) Noticed that. ;-> > BTW, Ian's right - the last 'useful' thing I did on the site was push > Margaret's offered cleanups into the web links section, and I think it > could stand more work. OK, will look at it -- along with the job-policy item Don mentioned. > Oh yeah, almost forgot. Welcome aboard! Nice to be back. Glad to help. From marc_news at merlins.org Mon Aug 2 23:12:40 2004 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Getting started In-Reply-To: <20040803013241.GF5923@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040730190442.GA27944@linuxmafia.com> <20040731234505.GA2031@starshine.org> <20040803013241.GF5923@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040803061240.GK28579@merlins.org> On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 06:32:41PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Hi, all. Think we're caught up, to a first approximation: That > includes, most vitally, putting up August meeting data. I changed no > other substantive content. > > My quick circuit through the HTML on Friday included index.shtml, > farm.shtml, events.shtml, events.html, footer.*, header.*, > 404handler.shtml, projects.shtml, mbone.shtml, meetings.shtml, > membership.shtml, news.shtml, officers.shtml, prevmeet.shtml, > search.shtml, sponsors.shtml, and wrkshop.shtml. In part, I was > reacquainting myself with site design -- including what *.shtml or > *.html files are currently orphaned (not linked to), of which there are > 16 in the main directory. (I left them alone; I just made a note of > them for my reference.) Man, that's quite a bit. Thanks a lot for the clean up > Nice to be back. Glad to help. Thank you Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Aug 3 19:25:17 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [LinuxPicnic] Picnix link added to SVLUG In-Reply-To: <20040731230150.GA26678@merlins.org> References: <16649.18667.10371.470449@komodo.home.wards.net> <20040731230150.GA26678@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040804022517.GT5923@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc@merlins.org): > I'm wondering how many people svlug should have on the web team. In > the past, we've had issues with too many members, and at some point > all thinking that someone else "would do it" :) That said, right now, > we only have Rick (effectively), so having a backup for him as well as > someone who can share the load would be welcome I'm sure. However many you want (given that it's your host) -- Alvin Oga, Jeff Go, Bill Ward, whoever -- I'll be glad to invite 'em over to fee 'em dinner and show them how the site works. Not that it's difficult to figure out. (Nice templating.) > I just need to verify your key somehow, so since I haven't signed your > PGP key if you have one, either we can meet up at the picnic, or you > can have Ian/Rick or someone else with a PGP key I know, verify you > and send me a signed version of your ssh key. I've outlined in very broad terms how keysigning events work to Bill, off-list, and might just conduct one at the next PenLUG meeting. At that point, Bill's GnuPG key would be on record with my signature, at least. (I send up the signed keychain to the public keyservers.) (Actually, I'll try to get Bill's key signed regardless of whether PenLUG has such an event: It'll obviously be handy for him and for you.) From DieterAue at web.de Fri Aug 6 04:32:37 2004 From: DieterAue at web.de (DieterAue) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website/I wrote LINUX ! Message-ID: <200408061332.38197.DieterAue@web.de> Hello, all the people at SVLUG ! i have written a short piece of text in which I tell the true story of LINUX ;-). Hope you enjoy it and my english is not too bad. Have a lot of fun at the Linux Anniversary Picnic&Barbecue tomorrow ! Greetings from Germany Dieter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(please link to > http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/jobs) > > The jobs mailing list is for job postings only, > not for resumes, job wanted postings, or discussion. > > (please remove the section about "allow the officers > to approve your posting" but leave in the part about > the SVLUG meeting, and the links to other job hunting > resources.) This is now done. I've had to make a few minor other adjustments, such as removing this paragraph near the end of the Q&A section:
However, times have gotten hard again, so we're returning to the old policy. Officers must approve postings.
  Also, this part of the final Q&A item, which had concerned the justification for the submit-via-the-officers policy, and under what conditions the policy might be changed:
 
Most recently (switching to allowing jobs) — enough members asked for this service, or asked why we didn't have it.
 
Before that, we had too much work and took too much flak — from good posters who were approved late because of the total traffic, from bad ones who were denied, and occasionally by list members whose concept of 'spam' is much further beyond the norm than the principles our officers follow.
 
When it is more of a strain than a member benefit, we will stop approving jobs, and we will change the policy to say so.
  With cessation of the submit-via-the-officers policy, that section is no long applicable. I've also slightly modified the questions in the Q&A section to clarify that they refer to the _main_ svlug@ list. -- Cheers, "This is Unix. Stop acting so helpless." Rick Moen -- D.J. Bernstein rick@linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Aug 11 18:20:06 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] SVLUG site job policy update In-Reply-To: <20040812011138.GP30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040730210327.GB31788@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040812011138.GP30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040812012005.GQ30789@linuxmafia.com> Oh, I forgot to mention: Relevant to Bill Ward not being able to send a verifiable SSH key to Marc, I've arranged to do a keysigning event at the next PenLUG meeting (Aug. 26), and have started collecting gpg public keys from people planning to attend. Bill's among those: http://linuxmafia.com/gpg/ I posted my offer only late last night (with an explanation of what keysignings are about and who should care), so only three keys in the keyring isn't too bad: http://www.penlug.org/pipermail/penlug-members/2004-August/000374.html Anyhow, in a fortnight, Bill and some number of others (possibly potential webslaves, themselves) will have strongly signed gpg keys. From marc_news at merlins.org Wed Aug 11 18:25:43 2004 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] SVLUG site job policy update In-Reply-To: <20040812012005.GQ30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040730210327.GB31788@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040812011138.GP30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040812012005.GQ30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040812012543.GJ4012@merlins.org> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:20:06PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Oh, I forgot to mention: Relevant to Bill Ward not being able to send a > verifiable SSH key to Marc, I've arranged to do a keysigning event at Actually, he gave me one at the picnic, I just haven't had the time to sit down and enter his info. But either way, the keysigning is cool Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Aug 11 20:02:00 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Link farm updated Message-ID: <20040812030200.GR30789@linuxmafia.com> OK, the other pending request was Heather's request that her job of merging Margaret's (?) updates to the Link Farm page (http://www.svlug.org/farm.shtml) be resumed, spiffed up, dusted off, etc. I've just done an initial pass, concentrating on fixing broken links. Also, renamings, etc.: Cobalt Networks hardware -> Sun Microsystems Opteron systems, S.u.S.E or SuSE -> SUSE , TurboLinux SSF office -> TurboLinux Palm Springs office, Linux Consulting in Sunnyvale -> Linux Consulting in Mountain View, Mandrake -> MandrakeLinux. I found lots of good URLs for dead links. For those that are truly gone, I usually commented out with an explanation, rather than removing. Even SCO. I couldn't find any sign of "Software Development, http://www.softwaredevelopment.com", and so substituted SD Forum as possibly what was intended(?). There remains a link that's unreachable on acount of what I believe to be simply a down Web site (Mindsource BOFs; I corrected the URL, nonetheless), and one that might well be well and truly gone (Adventure at Stanford U.), but it's difficult to tell because our page warns that it's a slow site at the best of times. I fear that "Adventure" is probably gone: People seem to have stopped mentioning the cite a/o 1998. The page needs a second pass, e.g. to add more-recent distributions to those listed (the PowerPC distro listing is particularly outdated), and append newer news sites. All I've done, for the most part, is correct the existing contents. Sudden thought: Maybe it's time to comment out the Picnix13 banner? I was going to update our list of "Public companies who sponsor Linux International" -- since I really doubt that "VA Linux Systems" is shoveling ducats at anything with penguin breath -- but I notice that the LI Web site's list of sponsors is even _more_ out of date: It still highlights the stalwart sponsorship of Caldera Systems, Inc.! From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Aug 12 08:55:48 2004 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] SVLUG site job policy update In-Reply-To: <20040812011138.GP30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040730210327.GB31788@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040812011138.GP30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040812155548.GA2941@lycopersicon.zgp.org> begin Rick Moen quotation of Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:11:38PM -0700: > Quoting Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org): > > > Here's an SVLUG web to-do item > > that slipped through the cracks. > > http://www.svlug.org/policies/job-policy.shtml is > > out of date. > This is now done. I've had to make a few minor other adjustments, such > as removing this paragraph near the end of the Q&A section: Looks good. Thank you. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti/ Learn Linux and free software dmarti@zgp.org from the experts in California, USA http://freedomtechnologycenter.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 12 13:15:34 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Link farm updated In-Reply-To: <20040812030200.GR30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040812030200.GR30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040812201534.GA4689@linuxmafia.com> Quoting myself: > I couldn't find any sign of "Software Development, > http://www.softwaredevelopment.com", and so substituted SD Forum as > possibly what was intended(?). Er, make that: I couldn't find any sign of "Software Forum, http://www.softwareforum.com", and so substituted SD Forum. (The phrase "Software Forum" is almost uniquely difficult to search for fruitfully. It would help if I knew what this organisation is/was, but -- oh well.) > I fear that "Adventure" is probably gone: People seem to have stopped > mentioning the cite a/o 1998. ^ It's a sure sign of extreme fatigue, when I do that. ;-> Anyhow, I'm pretty sure http://www-tjw.stanford.edu/adventure/ is no more, and so I'll snip it from the link farm. Pity, that. DNS resolves, but there's nobody home. I'll aim to revise the "About Us" page, soon. (The listing that follows is, in part, an invitation for y'all to say "No, you idiot, don't do that" as appropriate.) Items to revise: 1. open source[TM] software where "open source" is a link to this text at the bottom: Open Source is a Registered Certification Mark of the (non-profit) Open Source Initiative, Inc. That is no longer true: OSI found that the "Open Source" trademark could not be defended in court. (A certification mark is one of three types of trademarks. The others are service marks, for services, and standard trademarks, for goods.) Therefore, OSI has shifted to using "OSI Certified" as a certification mark. I'll remove the "TM", the hyperlink to the statement at the bottom, and the statement at the bottom. (I've already made similar changes to the link farm page.) 2. The group was originally formed in 1988 as the PC-Unix Special Interest Group of the Silicon Valley Computer Society. Will add "..., and since 2002 operates under the corporate umbrella of sbay.org". 3. History and origins of SVLUG The Silicon Valley Linux User Group (SVLUG) is a special interest group (SIG) of the Silicon Valley Computer Society (SVCS). Will change "is" to "originated as". 4. Though there are no membership dues for SVLUG itself, the support we receive from the Silicon Valley Computer Society (SVCS) obligates us to encourage our members to consider joining our parent organization. Checking the sbay.org site, I find to my mild surprise that it is _also_ a membership organisation in the customary sense. That is, the public is encouraged (if almost inaudibly) to join for (currently) $10 per year for a "contributing membership". Therefore, I guess I should make the paragraph say "Though there are no membership dues for SVLUG itself, the support we receive from sbay.org obligates us to encourage our members to consider joining our parent organization." None of my business, exactly, but sbay.org doesn't exactly make it easy for interested parties to join. Section 3 of the by-laws state: Applications for membership shall be submitted electronically on a form provided by the corporation. Each applicant must express a willingness to abide by the By-Laws and such rules as shall be promulgated from time to time by the corporation. (I'll bet I know who wrote _that_ paragraph. He forgot to add "trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.") Neither of the sbay.org Web sites appears to have the "form provided by the corporation". Maybe the truly determined are supposed to track down treasurer Reg Charney and pick his pockets to find one. ;-> Anyhow, I'll make that change, for whatever it's worth. Heather or Don, if you want to apply a cluebat to whoever maintains http://corp.sbay.org/ and http://www.sbay.org/ , you might suggest that actually making _possible_ (via those sites) the membership offer that the by-laws oblige sbay.org to extend, there, to the public would be a really good idea. The "Sponsors" page (http://www.svlug.org/sponsors.shtml) is a bit of a basket case, and will require some thought. For one, Linuxcare no longer exists: It's Levanta, and pretty much a wholly different company. I know (figure) that we want to retain acknowledgement of past sponsors, even though they haven't "provided speakers, shirts, stickers, and even raffling machines" in a dog's age, but something needs to happen, here. Also, the logo link is broken for some reason. Similarly, this might (I'm not sure) be problematic: TurboLinux (formerly Pacific HiTech) has provided free hand-out Linux CDs for SVLUG installfests and events. Several years ago, there was some head-spinning round of corporate musical chairs, during which TurboLinux closed its US operations, stopped offering English-language support, and refocussed entirely on China and Japan. Later, it re-opened a sales office in Palm Springs, but God Only Knows why, because I'm pretty sure they're still doing no US business. The reason I'm saying "I'm not sure" is that, on the one hand, everything said about TurboLinux is still true (as a statement about what they've done for SVLUG in the past), but on the other hand that listing's in the "Linux distribution manufacturers listed in alphabetical order" section. Thus, people browsing the page might be lead to think "Hey, they're cool: They support SVLUG. I should try out their distro." But unless you're near Beijing or Tokyo, and speak Chinese or Japanese, you'll have a fruitless search. What I'll probably do is add an explanatory sentence: "(Please note that TurboLinux currently offers Linux distributions only in east Asia.)" Hyperlinks for all three distros listed (TurboLinux, Red Hat, SUSE) need revising. -- Cheers, No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. Rick Moen We do concede, though, that a large number of electrons rick@linuxmafia.com were terribly inconvenienced. From s0b3 at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 21:25:38 2004 From: s0b3 at sbcglobal.net (Hai Le) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: <20040814042538.74131.qmail@web80709.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, My name is Ryan. Im new to svlug.com and Linux. I wanted to join SVLUG but I cant find any link or form on this page http://lists.svlug.org/ to submit my email so I can be in the mailing list and become SVLUG memer. Where can I submit my email into the mailing list ? I also wonder that can i join SVLUG if I absolutely know nothing about Linux ? English is my second language so please forgive my bad english. Thanks From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 13 21:33:10 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Updated: about, sponsors, search, E-mail lists, events, mbone, web-team, header, index Message-ID: <20040814043310.GA9333@linuxmafia.com> (Please note two items marked "QUERY".) o I've updated the http://www.svlug.org/about.shtml exactly as proposed. Along the way, I fixed lots of small grammar and punctuation glitches. o On http://www.svlug.org/sponsors.shtml , I re-found the Linuxcare logo file (unbroke that link). Also updated descriptions for that (more-or-less defunct) company, Red Hat, TurboLinux, and SUSE. Also variously fixed or removed related hyperlinks. Rendered correct our claim that Linux-distro manufacturer sponsors are listed in alphabetical order. ;-> (Once upon a time, it was, but someone corrected "Pacific HiTech" to "TurboLinux" without bothering to fix the list order.) o On http://www.svlug.org/search.shtml, fixed grammar/spelling/punctuation. Corrected "mailing list subhost" link, which confusingly took users to the SVLUG front page. (Yes, I do understand how this happened.) Added "jobs" to the roster of mailing lists. Corrected SSC search links. o On http://www.svlug.org/policies/list-policy.shtml , updated "send job offers to officers" language to refer to the jobs list. Updated "Mozilla Mail" reference to "Mozilla Thunderbird". Provided hyperlinks for Mozilla Thunderbird and for mutt. Added text advising Outlook and OE users about gratis plugins to make those MUAs quote properly. Clarified description of .sig delimiter. QUERY: Existing text says MIME for PGP signatures is OK. Do we want to add (below that) that other MIME isn't OK? If "yes", a link to http://expita.com/nomime.html would be useful. That page is offline; I have it mirrored as "HTML Mail Disabling" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Mail/ o On http://www.svlug.org/events.shtml, I've corrected the installfest link. (Was outdated elsewhere, too.) Replaced the wording "A prominent SVLUG member" (reference to yr. humble servant) with "A long-time SVLUG member". I'd rather that people browsing SVLUG's pages consider me old than egotistical. ;-> Especially as people notice I'm these pages' maintainer. o On http://www.svlug.org/teams/web-team.shtml , added parenthetical sentence to explain why there's a "list" of virtual Web hosts comprising a single entry. Did the usual roundup on grammar/spelling/punctuation. Replaced link to the ancient, obsolete unmaintained SSH FAQ with one to the current, maintained one. QUERY: Page says "We have only a 486...." What is it really? o On http://www.svlug.org/mbone.shtml , corrected name of BayLISA, plus did the usual. Changed "We hope that, in 1999, SVLUG will" to "We hope that, soon, SVLUG will". o On both header.shtml and index.shtml, I've commented out the LinuxPicnic banner link and text, with a comment that it'll probably need to be brought back out of mothballs sometime around May-July 2005. o On events.html and meetings.shtml, changed "next meeting" text to refer to Sept. 1, 2004, with speaker and topic "TBA". Other little corrections throughout. The good news is that I think we're now in good shape. I _think_ the only area for significant additional work is the Link Farm, which could use expansion (but has nothing broken any more). As always, let me know if you spot anything. From marc_news at merlins.org Fri Aug 13 21:48:50 2004 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] Updated: about, sponsors, search, E-mail lists, events, mbone, web-team, header, index In-Reply-To: <20040814043310.GA9333@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040814043310.GA9333@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040814044850.GB28932@merlins.org> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 09:33:10PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > (Please note two items marked "QUERY".) > > > o I've updated the http://www.svlug.org/about.shtml exactly as proposed. > Along the way, I fixed lots of small grammar and punctuation > glitches. Cool, thanks again for your work. > o On http://www.svlug.org/policies/list-policy.shtml , updated > "send job offers to officers" language to refer to the jobs list. > Updated "Mozilla Mail" reference to "Mozilla Thunderbird". > Provided hyperlinks for Mozilla Thunderbird and for mutt. > Added text advising Outlook and OE users about gratis plugins > to make those MUAs quote properly. Clarified description of > .sig delimiter. > > QUERY: Existing text says MIME for PGP signatures is OK. Do > we want to add (below that) that other MIME isn't OK? If "yes", > a link to http://expita.com/nomime.html would be useful. That > page is offline; I have it mirrored as "HTML Mail Disabling" on > http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Mail/ Right other mime isn't ok > Replaced link to the ancient, obsolete unmaintained SSH FAQ > with one to the current, maintained one. > > QUERY: Page says "We have only a 486...." What is it really? Ouch. That's old :) It's some kind of dual PIII 1GHz 512MB 2U half rack. Absolutely 100% overpowered for the task, but that's all I had lying around when the old box died :) Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 13 21:51:59 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <20040814042538.74131.qmail@web80709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040814042538.74131.qmail@web80709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040814045159.GI30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Hai Le (s0b3@sbcglobal.net): > Hi, My name is Ryan. Im new to svlug.com and Linux. I > wanted to join SVLUG but I cant find any link or form > on this page http://lists.svlug.org/ to submit my > email so I can be in the mailing list and become SVLUG > memer. Where can I submit my email into the mailing > list ? I also wonder that can i join SVLUG if I > absolutely know nothing about Linux ? English is my > second language so please forgive my bad english. Thanks Hi, Ryan! If you couldn't find a useful link when you wrote your message, that's perfectly understandable: The links were confusing. By coincidence, I (the main Web-maintenance guy at the moment) happen to have been fixing that, today. Now, if you follow the "Email List" link, it _will_ take you somewhere useful! Therefore, please try again. (Don't forget to reload pages that are already cached in your browser.) If you still have trouble, please write back, and I can help. Last but not least, welcome to SVLUG! From s0b3 at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 22:01:42 2004 From: s0b3 at sbcglobal.net (Ryan Le) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <20040814045159.GI30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040814050142.67156.qmail@web80702.mail.yahoo.com> I got it. Thank you very much. Rick Moen wrote:Quoting Hai Le (s0b3@sbcglobal.net): > Hi, My name is Ryan. Im new to svlug.com and Linux. I > wanted to join SVLUG but I cant find any link or form > on this page http://lists.svlug.org/ to submit my > email so I can be in the mailing list and become SVLUG > memer. Where can I submit my email into the mailing > list ? I also wonder that can i join SVLUG if I > absolutely know nothing about Linux ? English is my > second language so please forgive my bad english. Thanks Hi, Ryan! If you couldn't find a useful link when you wrote your message, that's perfectly understandable: The links were confusing. By coincidence, I (the main Web-maintenance guy at the moment) happen to have been fixing that, today. Now, if you follow the "Email List" link, it _will_ take you somewhere useful! Therefore, please try again. (Don't forget to reload pages that are already cached in your browser.) If you still have trouble, please write back, and I can help. Last but not least, welcome to SVLUG! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/web-team/attachments/20040813/38b63353/attachment.html From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 13 22:10:07 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Updated: about, sponsors, search, E-mail lists, events, mbone, web-team, header, index In-Reply-To: <20040814044850.GB28932@merlins.org> References: <20040814043310.GA9333@linuxmafia.com> <20040814044850.GB28932@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040814051006.GJ30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc_news@merlins.org): > Cool, thanks again for your work. Eh, it's pleasant to see the site shaping up, again. I've been wanting to scratch that particular itch for years. > > QUERY: Existing text says MIME for PGP signatures is OK. Do > > we want to add (below that) that other MIME isn't OK? If "yes", > > a link to http://expita.com/nomime.html would be useful. That > > page is offline; I have it mirrored as "HTML Mail Disabling" on > > http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Mail/ > > Right other mime isn't ok OK. Added that item. Included link to my mirror of G.E. Boyd's page, just in case the latter has vanished permanently. (Trying to visit anyting in that directory gets a "forbidden" error, which might mean he or she is not paying that ISP any more.) > > QUERY: Page says "We have only a 486...." What is it really? > > Ouch. That's old :) > It's some kind of dual PIII 1GHz 512MB 2U half rack. Absolutely 100% > overpowered for the task, but that's all I had lying around when the old box > died :) OK, fixed that, too. From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 13 23:50:23 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Found some more Message-ID: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> Updated officers.shtml, installfest/index.shtml, sw/index.shtml, membership.shtml, directions/accent.shtml . Lots of little things, e.g., the installfest page no longer advises attendees to avoid bothering the bookstore employees. Also added a couple of monthly maintenance items to teams/web-team.shtml that seem to have been inadvertantly omitted: o After each meeting, update the events.html file that is referenced from the Web site's front page via include directive, to update the meeting date, speaker, and topic. (Put "TBA" until these things are known.) o Once a month, you'll also want to update the upcoming-dates list on the installfest/index.shtml page. QUERY: For the officers.shtml page, should the entry for name of "Speaker Coordinator" be "(open)"? I'm sure it's not Steve Traugott any more, at a minimum (which is what the page says). I just now worked out the mechanics of how WebFetch populate the "SVLUG News" table by parsing individual items from svlug-news.txt . Very clever! Good job, Ian! From marc_news at merlins.org Sat Aug 14 11:48:32 2004 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Found some more In-Reply-To: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 11:50:23PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > QUERY: For the officers.shtml page, should the entry for name of > "Speaker Coordinator" be "(open)"? I'm sure it's not Steve Traugott > any more, at a minimum (which is what the page says). I don't think so since the coordinator from sbay.org, shared by the lugs around here, and we have have a new one. Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Aug 14 16:44:02 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Found some more In-Reply-To: <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040814234402.GL30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc_news@merlins.org): > I don't think so since the coordinator from sbay.org, shared by the lugs > around here, and we have have a new one. Will be glad to put the correct name in that field: My problem is that I don't know who it is. ;-> From marc at merlins.org Sun Aug 15 14:24:52 2004 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Found some more In-Reply-To: <20040814234402.GL30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040814234402.GL30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040815212451.GK19131@merlins.org> On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 04:44:02PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc_news@merlins.org): > > > I don't think so since the coordinator from sbay.org, shared by the lugs > > around here, and we have have a new one. > > Will be glad to put the correct name in that field: My problem is that > I don't know who it is. ;-> Bill Kendrick Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From marc_news at merlins.org Sun Aug 15 14:40:09 2004 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040815212642.GH2493@sonic.net> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040815211704.GC2493@sonic.net> <20040815211855.GJ19131@merlins.org> <20040815212642.GH2493@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040815214009.GL19131@merlins.org> On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 02:26:42PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 02:18:55PM -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 02:17:04PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 11:48:32AM -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't think so since the coordinator from sbay.org, shared by the lugs > > is > > > > > > around here, and we have have a new one. > > > > > > I'm having difficulty parsing that sentence, Marc. ;) > > > > Is it slightly better that way? :) > > Shall I also assume: s/have have/have/ ??? :) Right. I need sleep, can you tell? :) > And really idiotic question, am I the _sbay_ speaker coord? Or just SVLUG? > (I really should asked earlier, but somehow didn't think of the distinction) That's a good question. I think Ian made the SVLUG speaker coordinator the Sbay one, since the pool of speakers was shared by different lugs here (SVLUG/PENLUG/LUGOD/BALUG?) for a little while. speakers@svlug.org goes to speakers@sbay.org That being said, you can decide to do it for all groups, or just one, or two, at your discretion. The svlug speakers alias can be mode local again or forwarded as needed. My only absolute requirement is that rick be able to post and receive mail from the speakers alias, since he is on our web team, and he will be maintaining the svlug speakers page (I didn't see rick's mails go through, are they being held?) Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 16 09:59:54 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Found some more In-Reply-To: <20040815212451.GK19131@merlins.org> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040814234402.GL30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040815212451.GK19131@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040816165954.GC6929@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc@merlins.org): > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 04:44:02PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc_news@merlins.org): > > > > > I don't think so since the coordinator from sbay.org is shared by > > > the lugs around here, and we have have a new one. > > > > Will be glad to put the correct name in that field: My problem is > > that I don't know who it is. ;-> > > Bill Kendrick Thanks, Marc. Hi, Bill! I was just inquiring with others on the web-team mailing list about who's supposed to be listed on http://www.svlug.org/officers.shtml as Speaker Coodinator, since that page still said "Steve Traugott", who I know hasn't performed that role for a long time. Thanks for doing this very important job! (I'm just, among other things, trying to make sure that those who do the work get credited for it on the Web pages.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 16 10:15:53 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040815214009.GL19131@merlins.org> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040815211704.GC2493@sonic.net> <20040815211855.GJ19131@merlins.org> <20040815212642.GH2493@sonic.net> <20040815214009.GL19131@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040816171553.GD6929@linuxmafia.com> [Snip speakers@lists.svlug.org from distribution. Add CC to Bill.] Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc_news@merlins.org): > That's a good question. > I think Ian made the SVLUG speaker coordinator the Sbay one, since the pool > of speakers was shared by different lugs here (SVLUG/PENLUG/LUGOD/BALUG?) > for a little while. The Speakers' Bureau seems like a really good idea. > speakers@svlug.org goes to speakers@sbay.org > > That being said, you can decide to do it for all groups, or just one, or > two, at your discretion. > The svlug speakers alias can be mode local again or forwarded as needed. > My only absolute requirement is that rick be able to post and receive mail > from the speakers alias, since he is on our web team, and he will be > maintaining the svlug speakers page > (I didn't see rick's mails go through, are they being held?) FYI, I've actually never had occasion to post to speakers@[lists.]svlug.org or speakers.sbay.org. (So, there's no politics there, and I'd like to avoid provoking issues.) I'm unclear on why I'd need to post mail from speakers@ , so maybe that's a non-problem? Also, to my knowledge, reading Bill Kendrick's "next month's speaker" announcements to svlug-announce@ (which I read) is all I need for site maintenance, so I think we're already fine, there. From marc_news at merlins.org Mon Aug 16 13:50:06 2004 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040816171553.GD6929@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040815211704.GC2493@sonic.net> <20040815211855.GJ19131@merlins.org> <20040815212642.GH2493@sonic.net> <20040815214009.GL19131@merlins.org> <20040816171553.GD6929@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040816205006.GY4012@merlins.org> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 10:15:53AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > FYI, I've actually never had occasion to post to > speakers@[lists.]svlug.org or speakers.sbay.org. (So, there's no > politics there, and I'd like to avoid provoking issues.) Ah, so you may just not be subscribed. > I'm unclear on why I'd need to post mail from speakers@ , so maybe You may not have to, but I've seen mails between the web coordinator and the speakers coordinator in the past. Bill is not on the web-team and you're not on the speakers list. That just doesn't sound great to me. > that's a non-problem? Also, to my knowledge, reading Bill Kendrick's > "next month's speaker" announcements to svlug-announce@ (which I read) That's kind of new. In the past, we didn't have those and the speakers coordinator let web-team know > is all I need for site maintenance, so I think we're already fine, > there. Ok Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From nbs at sonic.net Mon Aug 16 13:57:53 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040816205006.GY4012@merlins.org> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040815211704.GC2493@sonic.net> <20040815211855.GJ19131@merlins.org> <20040815212642.GH2493@sonic.net> <20040815214009.GL19131@merlins.org> <20040816171553.GD6929@linuxmafia.com> <20040816205006.GY4012@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040816205753.GB24427@sonic.net> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 01:50:06PM -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote: > Bill is not on the web-team and you're not on the speakers list. > That just doesn't sound great to me. I'd be happy to be on it. I notice Sept. 1st is listed as TBA on the website, though I've seen we do have a speaker. ;) -bill! From marc_news at merlins.org Mon Aug 16 14:00:56 2004 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040816205753.GB24427@sonic.net> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040815211704.GC2493@sonic.net> <20040815211855.GJ19131@merlins.org> <20040815212642.GH2493@sonic.net> <20040815214009.GL19131@merlins.org> <20040816171553.GD6929@linuxmafia.com> <20040816205006.GY4012@merlins.org> <20040816205753.GB24427@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040816210056.GA4012@merlins.org> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 01:57:53PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > I notice Sept. 1st is listed as TBA on the website, though I've seen > we do have a speaker. ;) Right, but Rick isn't on the speakers list, so he doesn't know, which was my point. Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 16 14:04:34 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040816205753.GB24427@sonic.net> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040815211704.GC2493@sonic.net> <20040815211855.GJ19131@merlins.org> <20040815212642.GH2493@sonic.net> <20040815214009.GL19131@merlins.org> <20040816171553.GD6929@linuxmafia.com> <20040816205006.GY4012@merlins.org> <20040816205753.GB24427@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040816210434.GP30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 01:50:06PM -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote: > > Bill is not on the web-team and you're not on the speakers list. > > That just doesn't sound great to me. > > I'd be happy to be on it. If you send in a request to join, I'm sure one of the listadmins will approve it. (I'm not among the listadmins.) > I notice Sept. 1st is listed as TBA on the website, though I've seen > we do have a speaker. ;) See, there's definitely a sign of a communications glitch, because I am _not_ aware of the speaker name and topic for the September meeting. I've basically been awaiting the announcement on svlug-announce@ . So, the immediate problem is: I need September meeting details. (The foregoing is not a complaint.) I'll be glad to deal with such matters, prospectively, any way you think best. From nbs at sonic.net Mon Aug 16 14:26:43 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040816210434.GP30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040815211704.GC2493@sonic.net> <20040815211855.GJ19131@merlins.org> <20040815212642.GH2493@sonic.net> <20040815214009.GL19131@merlins.org> <20040816171553.GD6929@linuxmafia.com> <20040816205006.GY4012@merlins.org> <20040816205753.GB24427@sonic.net> <20040816210434.GP30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040816212643.GB28460@sonic.net> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:04:34PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > See, there's definitely a sign of a communications glitch, because I am > _not_ aware of the speaker name and topic for the September meeting. I've > basically been awaiting the announcement on svlug-announce@ . So, the > immediate problem is: I need September meeting details. Gack! Can't... find... that email... Poked around in Mutt. I'll run some greps in the background while I get back to work... -bill! From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 16 22:58:14 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040816205753.GB24427@sonic.net> References: <20040814065023.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040814184832.GA24063@merlins.org> <20040815211704.GC2493@sonic.net> <20040815211855.GJ19131@merlins.org> <20040815212642.GH2493@sonic.net> <20040815214009.GL19131@merlins.org> <20040816171553.GD6929@linuxmafia.com> <20040816205006.GY4012@merlins.org> <20040816205753.GB24427@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040817055814.GT30789@linuxmafia.com> (Not a complaint: Just a reminder that I'll be able to use the Sept. meeting information whenever I get it.) There's something we'd all pretty much forgotten to add to the Web pages: There's been a reasonably active #svlug IRC channel for over five years.[1] It's on what used to be called openprojects.net, now irc.freenode.net (or irc.lilofree.net, depending). I've just corrected this oversight via additions to two SVLUG pages: http://www.svlug.org/projects.shtml http://www.svlug.org/policies/list-policy.shtml Dunno if some official blessing is required before anything is added to the former page (SVLUG "Projects"), so please let me know if I erred. Thanks! [1] http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/svlug/1999-August/018606.html From bill at wards.net Tue Aug 17 12:38:59 2004 From: bill at wards.net (William R Ward) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Details for September SVLUG speaker (Bernard Golden) Message-ID: <16674.24275.855657.859933@komodo.home.wards.net> Details for the next SVLUG speaker are below, or snarf them from PenLUG's page. (He's doing PenLUG next week as a warmup for SVLUG) --Bill. Bernard Golden is Chief Executive Officer of Navica, a consulting firm offering open source strategy, implementation, and training services. Bernard is an accomplished high technology executive with over twenty years experience in starting and building world-class organizations. He has previously served as a Venture Partner for an international venture fund and has been Vice President and General Manager in a number of private and public software companies, including Informix, Uniplex Software, and Deploy Solutions. He is a frequent speaker and writer on Information Technology topics and has contributed to or been featured in major industry publications such as InfoWorld, eWeek, LinuxWorld, SDTimes, Computerworld, O'Reilly LAMP, Open Enterprise Trends, Enterprise Architect, and IEEE Software. He is the author of "Succeeding with Open Source" (Addison-Wesley, August 2004), which has been has been described as presenting "some of the most valuable, practical advice I have seen on how to transform use of open source software from an accidental process into a powerful strategy for gaining an edge on the competition" (Terry Bollinger, Author of "Use of Free and Open Source Software in the U.S. Department of Defense", and a book which "walks you through every step of the evaluation process, and provides vital insights into the risks and benefits of making the open-source decision." (Kevin Bedell, Editor-in-Chief, LinuxWorld Magazine). -- William R Ward bill@wards.net http://bill.wards.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Where a calculator like the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps weigh 1 1/2 tons." - Popular Mechanics, ca. 1947 From nbs at sonic.net Tue Aug 17 14:16:39 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [Speakers] Details for September SVLUG speaker (Bernard Golden) In-Reply-To: <16674.24275.855657.859933@komodo.home.wards.net> References: <16674.24275.855657.859933@komodo.home.wards.net> Message-ID: <20040817211639.GD21723@sonic.net> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 12:38:59PM -0700, William R Ward wrote: > Details for the next SVLUG speaker are below, or snarf them from > PenLUG's page. (He's doing PenLUG next week as a warmup for SVLUG) > And now I suddenly remember WHERE I had seen this recently: fp_event("svlug", "1", "September 1", "http://www.svlug.org/", "Silicon Valley LUG meeting in San Jose. Bernard Golden, author of a book about Open Source in business."); (A snippet of PHP from LUGOD.org's "Upcoming Events" content. :^) ) Thanks Bill! -bill! From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Aug 17 16:32:38 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Details for September SVLUG speaker (Bernard Golden) In-Reply-To: <16674.24275.855657.859933@komodo.home.wards.net> References: <16674.24275.855657.859933@komodo.home.wards.net> Message-ID: <20040817233238.GD13688@linuxmafia.com> [Snip speakers list, because I'm not subscribed.] Quoting William R Ward (bill@wards.net): > Details for the next SVLUG speaker are below, or snarf them from > PenLUG's page. (He's doing PenLUG next week as a warmup for SVLUG) Coolness. Sept. meeting details are now added to the relevant SVLUG pages. (Made a few small fixes to punctuation, markup, and wording.) Something I've been noticing, lately: http://www.svlug.org/teams/web-team.shtml (instructions for Web team members) includes: After each meeting, update the prevmeet.shtml page to include a description of the meeting, the location, the attendance, and any other notes that were significant about it. Essentially, the site design intends that all details of each just-past meeting be shoveled from meetings.shtml to prevmeet.shtml . Unfortunately, it looks like the Web team ceased doing so after the October 3, 2001 meeting -- ignoring the above-cited to-do -- with the effect that the two pages are as follows: meetings.shtml: 34 meetings, Nov. 2001 - Sep. 2004, 3680 bytes prevmeet.shtml: 50 meetings, Jul. 1997 - Oct. 2001, 42221 bytes It shouldn't be difficult to correct, and prevmeet.shtml won't be too huge, yet. From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Aug 19 10:08:36 2004 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Web update request: speaker coordinator Message-ID: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> Since there's some confusion around the sbay.org speakers mailing list, please remove links to the SBAY Speakers Bureau and just list Bill Kendrick as speaker coordinator. Thank you. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti/ Learn Linux and free software dmarti@zgp.org from the experts in California, USA http://freedomtechnologycenter.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 19 11:30:07 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> Message-ID: <20040819183007.GE30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org): > Since there's some confusion around the sbay.org > speakers mailing list, please remove links to the > SBAY Speakers Bureau and just list > > Bill Kendrick > > as speaker coordinator. Thank you. Hi, Don. Bill is named (with e-mail address, as above) as Speaker Coodinator on http://www.svlug.org/officers.shtml . Is that all you're talking about? Can revise other pages, if you need: Just tell me what you'd like. I apologise if I'm missing something obvious, but it's been a busy morning and I'm probably not focussed. To my knowledge (off the top of my head; could be wrong), SBAY Speakers' Bureau (as such) isn't currently mentioned at all on any of the SVLUG pages. SBAY is mentioned, a couple of times, on http://www.svlug.org/about.shtml, to detail the switchover from SVCS to SBAY as the corporate umbrella. From nbs at sonic.net Thu Aug 19 11:32:51 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040819183007.GE30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040819183007.GE30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040819183251.GA13686@sonic.net> On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 11:30:07AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > To my knowledge (off the top of my head; could be wrong), SBAY Speakers' > Bureau (as such) isn't currently mentioned at all on any of the SVLUG > pages. Actually, on the front page, there's this. Not sure if that's what Don was talking about (probably not), but it was the only ref I could find. (I figured I'd let you grep the HTML files on the server) SVLUG's Speaker Coordinator has updated the Call For Speakers to reflect that SVLUG, BAFUG, PenLUG, and LUGOD's new SBAY Speakers Bureau now schedules speakers for all of them. Forward the news to any good speaker prospect for a technical crowd. I have to say, I'm not particularly happy or comfortable with the personal issues that have already come up over here, but I'll do my best to ignore it and get on the with actual job of speaker-coordination. -bill! From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 19 15:04:52 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040819183251.GA13686@sonic.net> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040819183007.GE30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040819183251.GA13686@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040819220452.GH30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > Actually, on the front page, there's this. Not sure if that's what > Don was talking about (probably not), but it was the only ref I could > find. (I figured I'd let you grep the HTML files on the server) > > SVLUG's Speaker Coordinator has updated the Call For Speakers to > reflect that SVLUG, BAFUG, PenLUG, and LUGOD's new SBAY Speakers > Bureau now schedules speakers for all of them. Forward the news to any > good speaker prospect for a technical crowd. Ah, that's from the "SVLUG News" collection. svlug-news.txt gets automatically parsed by a cron script several times an hour for news snippets within that file that aren't yet past their expiration date (if an expiration date is defined for that news item). Recently, I repaired a number of old news items in that file that had been misformatted and preventing the system from working well -- and also supplied expiration dates for some (mostly 2001) news items that obviously should have been entered with such dates. I also lightly edited a few news items for brevity. Last, I resumed adding new snippets, which seemingly had been done very seldom, lately. (E.g., nobody had been adding a news snippet for each upcoming meeting, as recommended by the Web team instructions page, http://www.svlug.org/teams/web-team.shtml . The net effect of those updates was to cause some newer snippets to percolate to the front, and retire a few that had been showing (apparently) for a long time even though they concerned 2001 events. Of the five items currently displayed on the front page (http://www.svlug.org/), two have expirations of tonight at midnight, so please expect to see an automatic reshuffling as of early tomorrow. (I.e., two other items will replace those.) All news snippets, in reverse date order but without regard to expiration date, can be browsed on the "News" page, http://www.svlug.org/news.shtml . I'll be glad to make any news snippet vanish that Don wants gone. (I don't know why Don wouldn't want the above-quoted one, but that's not my call.) > I have to say, I'm not particularly happy or comfortable with the > personal issues that have already come up over here, but I'll do my best > to ignore it and get on the with actual job of speaker-coordination. Thanks. Speaking for myself, I'm just trying to get the volunteer task required, and don't -- on my part -- have any problem working with anyone to whatever extent is useful. In cases where people don't do likewise, I try to do the John Gilmore thing (treat them as damage and route around them). From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 19 17:55:08 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040819220452.GH30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040819183007.GE30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040819183251.GA13686@sonic.net> <20040819220452.GH30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040820005508.GA370@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > Actually, on the front page, there's this. Not sure if that's what > Don was talking about (probably not), but it was the only ref I could > find. (I figured I'd let you grep the HTML files on the server) OK, so I'm probably a little bit more blond (i.e., dim) than usual, today: I see what you're referring to. That news snippet was one of the preexisting ones (ones already present in svlug-news.txt) when I started updating the site. All I did with it was (1) lightly edit it for brevity, and (2) supply an expiration date on it (of 2004-12-31). The snippet's phrase "Call For Speakers" is a hyperlink: I never really noticed, until a moment ago, that it points to http://speakers.sbay.org/call4speakers.html . So, when Don said "please remove links to the SBAY Speakers Bureau", he probably meant "please deep-six that hyperlink". Done! (BTW, I fixed the capitalisation of "Call for Speakers", in passing.) > I have to say, I'm not particularly happy or comfortable with the > personal issues that have already come up over here.... Just to reiterate: *I* don't have personal issues with anyone around here, including that specific other guy. Yes, I'm aware he doesn't like _me_, but my point is that it's unilateral -- and I try to be careful to avoid raining on his parade. In fact, if I ever came to realise that I'd done something that wronged this gentleman, I'd gladly apologise and attempt to set things right. (Note: Accurately detailing one of the guy's past deeds isn't a wrongful act. Pointing out evasions about that deed isn't, either.) But, far as I can tell, I've been just minding my own business. If the other guy's still unhappy, I do regret that, because I wish him well. If there's something that I can do, or not do, to make the other guy happier, please let me know. (Short of "Fsck off and die", anyway. ;-> ) From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Aug 19 22:57:31 2004 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040819220452.GH30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040819183007.GE30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040819183251.GA13686@sonic.net> <20040819220452.GH30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040820055731.GA28153@lycopersicon.zgp.org> begin Rick Moen quotation of Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 03:04:52PM -0700: > I'll be glad to make any news snippet vanish that Don wants gone. (I > don't know why Don wouldn't want the above-quoted one, but that's not my > call.) Please make it vanish. The discussions surrounding that list are clearly not productive from the point of view of lining up good SVLUG speakers. There is an SVLUG "Call for Speakers" page at http://www.svlug.org/call4speakers.shtml Bill, can you take a look at the page and see if there's anything that you think needs to be updated? Rick, can you put in a link to the "Call for Speakers" page from http://www.svlug.org/about.shtml, under "The People of SVLUG" and, as you get a chance to look at the links on other pages, consider putting it in there as well? Thank you. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti/ Learn Linux and free software dmarti@zgp.org from the experts in California, USA http://freedomtechnologycenter.org/ From marc_news at merlins.org Thu Aug 19 23:22:40 2004 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:55 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> Message-ID: <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 10:08:36AM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > Since there's some confusion around the sbay.org > speakers mailing list, please remove links to the > SBAY Speakers Bureau and just list > > Bill Kendrick > > as speaker coordinator. Thank you. Mmmh, don't we want to re-use our speaker(s)@svlug.org address like we used to have? That way, Bill is not the only perosn to receive posts, and others are welcome to join (Ian actually already re-subscribed to the svlug speakers list) Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From marc at merlins.org Fri Aug 20 01:02:43 2004 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: access to svlug machine In-Reply-To: <16654.54851.370175.436721@komodo.home.wards.net> References: <16649.18667.10371.470449@komodo.home.wards.net> <20040731230150.GA26678@merlins.org> <16652.13353.934334.343589@komodo.home.wards.net> <20040801001002.GG26678@merlins.org> <16654.54851.370175.436721@komodo.home.wards.net> Message-ID: <20040820080243.GA31770@merlins.org> On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 05:03:15PM -0700, William R Ward wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Here's my ssh public key again, this time pgp-signed: > > ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAIEA5ftQJGzm48laK3DOmBkQCtFS63/ivEHfKphTtnTbz3RKSB80Bf07l9bCV9p8IXdQ7uGfN5yWBHhcREm5HqoK+D59XxHzSOEbT9yu43s2nRy53cyYJ8umOckYscSX2saZKrEYeNWPF0XrpP9KhuC/8oLVac9AjsRyIq33ZbZNeHk= bill@komodo.home.wards.net > Sorry, this took way too long, I kind of lost your card with the gpg fingerprint for a few days :) I found it, uploaded it signed, made your account on svlug and installed this key. However, this doesn't look like a 1024 bit key. Please make a longer key and make sure it has a passphrase. You can then replace ~/.ssh/authorized_keys with the new key Thanks Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Aug 20 08:26:55 2004 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040820152655.GA29541@lycopersicon.zgp.org> begin Marc MERLIN quotation of Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 11:22:40PM -0700: > Mmmh, don't we want to re-use our speaker(s)@svlug.org address like we used > to have? > That way, Bill is not the only perosn to receive posts, and others are > welcome to join (Ian actually already re-subscribed to the svlug speakers > list) Sure, that works. So, web team please have Bill listed as the officer but direct people to the speakers@svlug.org address for inquiries about speaking. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti/ Learn Linux and free software dmarti@zgp.org from the experts in California, USA http://freedomtechnologycenter.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 20 10:24:49 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040820055731.GA28153@lycopersicon.zgp.org> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040819183007.GE30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040819183251.GA13686@sonic.net> <20040819220452.GH30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040820055731.GA28153@lycopersicon.zgp.org> Message-ID: <20040820172448.GJ30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org): > begin Rick Moen quotation of Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 03:04:52PM -0700: > > > I'll be glad to make any news snippet vanish that Don wants gone. (I > > don't know why Don wouldn't want the above-quoted one, but that's not my > > call.) > > Please make it vanish. The discussions surrounding > that list are clearly not productive from the point > of view of lining up good SVLUG speakers. OK, I'm commenting out that news snippet in svlug-news.txt . I've also altered date stamps (to make it become a current news item) on a similar news item from 2002: category=svlug posted=20040820 expires=20050531 title=Call for Speakers for SVLUG SVLUG's Speaker Coordinator has issued a Call for Speakers, describing the group and giving contact info. Forward the news to any good speaker prospect for a technical crowd. By the way, a cronjob is supposed to run, three times each hour, to re-parse svlug-news.txt . (Details are on http://www.svlug.org/teams/web-team.shtml .) It's obviously not working (for reasons I haven't yet investigated), so I'm running "/home/httpd/bin/mk_live_links svlug_news" manually, for now. Er, until a few minutes ago, when a friend briefed me off-list, I had no idea what "discussions" you were referring to. Basically, I had zero context on what all this was about. So, if I seemed confused by all this... it's because I _was_ confused. Having now heard about recent discussion elsewhere: I'm very sorry to hear about all that. For my own part, I had carefully _not_ requested to join the SBAY speakers' mailing list, specifically to avoid triggering any such confrontation. I was perfectly happy (again, speaking just for myself) with working around that obstacle through other (obvious, easy, effective) communications channels, in the name of harmony. I'm not questioning Don's decision. I'm just saying I regret the outcome (and wanted to stress that the confrontation in question was very much not my idea, and transpired without my knowledge or involvement). > Rick, can you put in a link to the "Call for Speakers" page from > http://www.svlug.org/about.shtml, under "The People of SVLUG" and, as > you get a chance to look at the links on other pages, consider putting > it in there as well? Thank you. OK. I've put the link under The People of SVLUG" as follows: SVLUG Speakers Program (please send speaker suggestions for our meetings!) Hyperlink is to http://www.svlug.org/call4speakers.shtml . I'll look for other places where links are appropriate. From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 20 11:12:17 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040820181216.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc_news@merlins.org): > Mmmh, don't we want to re-use our speaker(s)@svlug.org address like we used > to have? > That way, Bill is not the only perosn to receive posts, and others are > welcome to join (Ian actually already re-subscribed to the svlug speakers > list) Which reminds me; I was meaning to ask Bill Kendrick: Bill, would you prefer that I not subscribe to the SVLUG speakers mailing list? I hope that doesn't sound like a silly or flippant question; it's neither. When I said "If there's something that I can do, or not do, to make the other guy happier, please let me know", I was perfectly serious. Don evidently felt (during recent discussion elsewhere) that it's important that Web Team staffers (which is currently just me) not be unilaterally prohibited from participating on the mailing list where SVLUG's speaker arrangements are made. I understand his reasons -- but, his point having been made, there's no special reason I need personally insist on _exercising_ that right. So, if under present circumstances, you and others would have an easier time carrying out volunteer business without my being on speakers@lists.svlug.org , I don't mind staying off it, and certainly would take no offence. Basically, I've just been trying to maintain the Web site in accordance with the officers' policies, and otherwise minding my own business. If I can do that in a way that makes other volunteers' jobs easier, I'll be glad to. From nbs at sonic.net Fri Aug 20 11:20:28 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040820181216.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> <20040820181216.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040820182028.GA24513@sonic.net> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:12:17AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Bill, would you prefer that I not subscribe to the SVLUG speakers > mailing list? I hope that doesn't sound like a silly or flippant > question; it's neither. When I said "If there's something that I can > do, or not do, to make the other guy happier, please let me know", I was > perfectly serious. I do not have an issue with you being on the SVLUG speakers list. > So, if under present circumstances, you and others would have an easier > time carrying out volunteer business without my being on > speakers@lists.svlug.org , I don't mind staying off it, and certainly > would take no offence. I thought the only issue was with your subscription to the sbay.org speakers list, but perhaps I've not been paying attention...? I think the only real change lately is that there's a darker line between speakers@svlug and speakers@sbay, and we should just get on with our tasks. :) I think at least one web team member (in this case, you, since you're the only one) should be on the speakers list, as a liason to the speaker coordinators. I also feel SVLUG should also participate in, and take advantage of, the multi-UG speakers list (speakers@sbay), and am remaining on that list, as a member of both SVLUG _and_ LUGOD. Thx! -bill! From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 20 12:05:24 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040820152655.GA29541@lycopersicon.zgp.org> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> <20040820152655.GA29541@lycopersicon.zgp.org> Message-ID: <20040820190524.GL30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org): > Sure, that works. So, web team please have Bill listed as the officer > but direct people to the speakers@svlug.org address for inquiries > about speaking. Noted for the future. This is already (as of today) minimally the case, in that both the "SVLUG News" Call for Speakers snippet and the "SVLUG Speakers Program" link on the "About" page (http://www.svlug.org/about.shtml) link to http://www.svlug.org/call4speakers.shtml , which advises people to send speaker suggestions to speakers@svlug.org . Following is not a suggestion; just calling to the officers' attention something they might (or might not) have missed: The roster of publicly advertised mailing lists on http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo doesn't include speakers@ , nor web-team@ . Both lists are thus "private" in the sense that you cannot find them just by browsing, unless you already know the exist. They also have archives (and membership rosters) accessible only to list-members. If SVLUG wants broader participation, maybe you should make one or both of those lists more public? Your call. From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 20 12:12:37 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040820182028.GA24513@sonic.net> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> <20040820181216.GK30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040820182028.GA24513@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040820191237.GM30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > I do not have an issue with you being on the SVLUG speakers list. OK. I was actually asking your preference, though, not whether you objected. I'm saying I'll (gladly) do whatever makes life easiest for other volunteers. > I thought the only issue was with your subscription to the sbay.org > speakers list, but perhaps I've not been paying attention...? Well, basically I'm kind of trying to bend over backwards to accomodate other people's wishes -- including on various other mailing lists. In particular, Ian's on speakers@lists.svlug.org; if the consensus is that things will be better if I'm not also there, I'm fine with that. He's a valuable volunteer. I'm glad to take extraordinary steps to raise his comfort level. (About the SBAY list, just in case the point somehow got lost: I've never sought, inquired about, or lobbied for membership, there. The recent ruckus was not initiated by me in any way.) > I think at least one web team member (in this case, you, since you're the > only one) should be on the speakers list, as a liason to the speaker > coordinators. OK, will do. > I also feel SVLUG should also participate in, and take advantage of, the > multi-UG speakers list (speakers@sbay), and am remaining on that list, > as a member of both SVLUG _and_ LUGOD. Thank you. From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Aug 20 15:38:28 2004 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040820190524.GL30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> <20040820152655.GA29541@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040820190524.GL30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040820223828.GA31986@lycopersicon.zgp.org> Rick, > The roster of publicly advertised mailing lists on > http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo doesn't include speakers@ , nor > web-team@ . Both lists are thus "private" in the sense that you cannot > find them just by browsing, unless you already know the exist. They > also have archives (and membership rosters) accessible only to > list-members. > > If SVLUG wants broader participation, maybe you should make one or both > of those lists more public? Your call. It would be best to put the web-team subscribe link right on http://www.svlug.org/teams/web-team.shtml, so that all the information the web team needs is in one place and people know what they're getting into if they decide to get on the list. Let's leave the speakers list private for now. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti/ Learn Linux and free software dmarti@zgp.org from the experts in California, USA http://freedomtechnologycenter.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 20 16:21:03 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web update request: speaker coordinator In-Reply-To: <20040820223828.GA31986@lycopersicon.zgp.org> References: <20040819170836.GB26538@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040820062240.GB19064@merlins.org> <20040820152655.GA29541@lycopersicon.zgp.org> <20040820190524.GL30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040820223828.GA31986@lycopersicon.zgp.org> Message-ID: <20040820232102.GP30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org): > It would be best to put the web-team subscribe link > right on http://www.svlug.org/teams/web-team.shtml, > so that all the information the web team needs is in > one place and people know what they're getting into > if they decide to get on the list. This is now done. Second sentence below is new. To join the Web Team, contact webmaster@svlug.org, or talk to the appropriate coordinator for the kind of work you prefer to do. Any SVLUG members interested in Web team affairs, whether Web team members or not, should consider completing the "Subscribing to web-team" form on the web-team mailing list page. I tried to be vaguely inviting without actually promising that any Tom, Dick, or Harry's subscription request will always be approved. ;-> (Corrections welcomed.) -- Cheers, "By reading this sentence, you agree to be bound by the Rick Moen terms of the Internet Protocol, version 4, or, at your rick@linuxmafia.com option, any later version." -- Seth David Schoen From nbs at sonic.net Mon Aug 23 13:16:16 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Hello Message-ID: <20040823201616.GA20331@sonic.net> I'm apparently on the web-team list. Hello, everyone! -bill! bill@newbreedsoftware.com "Maybe it's just a parlor trick, like Fry" http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ "Like Fry! Like Fry!" New Breed Software From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 23 13:32:52 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] Hello In-Reply-To: <20040823201616.GA20331@sonic.net> References: <20040823201616.GA20331@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040823203252.GV30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > I'm apparently on the web-team list. Hello, everyone! You are, indeed. Welcome! "Everyone" at this point means yonder motley crew: * bchrisman at svlug.org (Brian Chrisman) * dmarti at svlug.org (Don Marti) * joyce at svlug.org (Joyce Traugott) * merlin at svlug.org (Marc Merlin) * nbs at sonic.net (you) * rick at linuxmafia.com (me) * star at svlug.org (Heather Stern) The list-administrator e-mail address is "web-team-folks@lists.svlug.org", which I finally chased down in /etc/exim4/aliases, as: # We want all volunteers to help with admining the list they're on web-team-folks: bchrisman, star, merlin, rick Marc added me to that stuff roughly a week ago, which I figured out when I started receiving listadmin nag notices. ;-> I've made the minor change of opening up the list's Pipermail back-postings archive to the public, and making Mailman include the list among those shown on http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo . You might want to review recent posts, but since late July they've mostly consisted of me saying "Here's something I'm about to do, to update one or two of the Web pages. Please speak up if I'm about to do something stupid." Looks like you're in the webslave /etc/group line, so doubly welcome! Please let me know if anything looks mysterious. From fyodor at insecure.org Fri Aug 27 18:58:25 2004 From: fyodor at insecure.org (Fyodor) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] SVLUG Member Project: Nmap Security Scanner Message-ID: <20040828015825.GF23772@core.lnxnet.net> Hi there, I was just visiting svlug.org to learn who would be Wednesday's speaker when I found your member's software page (http://www.svlug.org/sw/). If you wouldn't mind, I would certainly appreciate a link to my Nmap Security Scanner. Here is a brief description in HTML: The Nmap Security Scanner, written by SVLUG member and Mountain View resident Fyodor, is an open source utility for network exploration or security auditing. It supports ping scanning (determine which hosts are up), many port scanning techniques (determine what services the hosts are offering), version detection (determine what application/service is running on a port), and TCP/IP fingerprinting (remote host OS or device identification). It also offers flexible target and port specification, decoy/stealth scanning, SunRPC scanning, and more. It was released Linux-only in 1997, but most Unix variants and Windows platforms are now supported in both GUI and command line modes. Nmap was awarded "Information Security Product of the Year" by Linux Journal, Info World, and Codetalker Digest. The latest Nmap news can be found at Insecure.Org Thanks! Fyodor From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 27 19:23:27 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] SVLUG Member Project: Nmap Security Scanner In-Reply-To: <20040828015825.GF23772@core.lnxnet.net> References: <20040828015825.GF23772@core.lnxnet.net> Message-ID: <20040828022327.GX30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Fyodor (fyodor@insecure.org): > I was just visiting svlug.org to learn who would be Wednesday's > speaker when I found your member's software page > (http://www.svlug.org/sw/). If you wouldn't mind, I would certainly > appreciate a link to my Nmap Security Scanner. My goodness, yes! As an avid fan of nmap (and more-or-less of "Matrix Reloaded" ;-> ), I will certainly be delighted to do so. In fact, I just did -- and fixed up a bunch of badly done HTML on that page, while I was at it. -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick@linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association. From nbs at sonic.net Fri Aug 27 19:38:17 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: My projects! (Was Re: [web-team] [...] Nmap Security Scanner) In-Reply-To: <20040828015825.GF23772@core.lnxnet.net> References: <20040828015825.GF23772@core.lnxnet.net> Message-ID: <20040828023817.GA13126@sonic.net> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 06:58:25PM -0700, Fyodor wrote: > Hi there, > > I was just visiting svlug.org to learn who would be Wednesday's > speaker when I found your member's software page > (http://www.svlug.org/sw/). Woah! I somehow missed that. :^) Web-team, feel free to add: Tux Paint http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ An Open Source drawing program for young children, which speaks dozens of languages, and runs on various platforms. ;) -bill! From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 27 19:53:32 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: My projects! (Was Re: [web-team] [...] Nmap Security Scanner) In-Reply-To: <20040828023817.GA13126@sonic.net> References: <20040828015825.GF23772@core.lnxnet.net> <20040828023817.GA13126@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040828025332.GY30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Kendrick (nbs@sonic.net): > Woah! I somehow missed that. :^) There are all sorts of little corners. I occasionally make tweaks to try to assist people in navigating the site. E.g., a guy a week or so ago sent me mail suggesting adding all sorts of Linux news Web sites to the site front page's "Other Linux News" section, near the bottom. At the time, I pointed out that _all_ of his suggestions are already included in the Link Farm page. However, on reflection, I considered that there might be a way to make the connection to the Link Farm for additional news sources more obvious. So, today, I added a "(more...)" hyperlink, next to the front page's five news links, cluing in readers about that. > Web-team, feel free to add: > > Tux Paint > http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ > > An Open Source drawing program for young children, which speaks > dozens of languages, and runs on various platforms. Done! -- Cheers, "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a Rick Moen little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider rick@linuxmafia.com price only are this man's lawful prey." - J. Ruskin (attr.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 27 20:05:19 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: (forw) Re: [web-team] SVLUG Member Project: Nmap Security Scanner Message-ID: <20040828030519.GI13688@linuxmafia.com> I'll take the ego-boost, thanks! ;-> ----- Forwarded message from Fyodor ----- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:57:22 -0700 From: Fyodor To: Rick Moen Subject: Re: [web-team] SVLUG Member Project: Nmap Security Scanner On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 07:23:27PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > My goodness, yes! > > As an avid fan of nmap Thanks, Rick! And I'm an avid fan of the Linuxmafia. Particularly the BALE page. I was amazed when I moved here in '98, saw that page, and realized how active the Linux community here is! Cheers, -F ----- End forwarded message ----- From n0dez at yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 05:12:21 2004 From: n0dez at yahoo.com (Javier) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: <20040830121221.3628.qmail@web50709.mail.yahoo.com> Why don't you add Slackware Linux to the "link farm"? Regards, Javier == www.n0dez.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 30 07:32:41 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <20040830121221.3628.qmail@web50709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040830121221.3628.qmail@web50709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040830143241.GC30789@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Javier (n0dez@yahoo.com): > Why don't you add Slackware Linux to the "link farm"? Do I correctly guess that you mean adding http://www.slackware.org/ to the http://www.svlug.org/farm.shtml page's "Major Linux Distributions" category? If so, then I'll be getting around to updating that category soon. I think http://www.svlug.org/farm.shtml is in general the last page on the site in need of updating. The question has been (in addition to finding the time) where to start. Probably, I'll revise the "Stock Symbols" and "PowerPC-Specific Distributions" parts of the page, first, as they're the most badly outdated portions. The general distros section comes after that. Please note that I've been working on the site only for the last couple of weeks. -- Cheers, Rick Moen "vi is my shepherd; I shall not font." rick@linuxmafia.com -- Psalm 0.1 beta From marc_news at merlins.org Mon Aug 30 08:14:16 2004 From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <20040830143241.GC30789@linuxmafia.com> References: <20040830121221.3628.qmail@web50709.mail.yahoo.com> <20040830143241.GC30789@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040830151416.GB1352@merlins.org> On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 07:32:41AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Javier (n0dez@yahoo.com): > > > Why don't you add Slackware Linux to the "link farm"? > > Do I correctly guess that you mean adding http://www.slackware.org/ to > the http://www.svlug.org/farm.shtml page's "Major Linux Distributions" > category? I was just going to say "because slackware died a long time ago" :) > the site in need of updating. The question has been (in addition to > finding the time) where to start. Probably, I'll revise the "Stock > Symbols" and "PowerPC-Specific Distributions" parts of the page, first, > as they're the most badly outdated portions. The general distros > section comes after that. You may not need to put that much effort into it either. I'd say that a link to linux.com's appropriate section would work too. Is it really worth it to duplicate their work? Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From dmarti at ssc.com Mon Aug 30 08:44:43 2004 From: dmarti at ssc.com (Don Marti) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <20040830151416.GB1352@merlins.org> References: <20040830121221.3628.qmail@web50709.mail.yahoo.com> <20040830143241.GC30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040830151416.GB1352@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040830154443.GA5308@lycopersicon.zgp.org> begin Marc MERLIN quotation of Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 08:14:16AM -0700: > You may not need to put that much effort into it either. I'd say that a link > to linux.com's appropriate section would work too. Is it really worth it to > duplicate their work? The best distribution list I know of is here: http://lwn.net/Distributions/ -- Don Marti Plain text email only, please. Editor in Chief dmarti@linuxjournal.com Linux Journal Phone: 510-814-0932 http://linuxjournal.com/ Linux Journal editorial office: 206-782-9011 From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Aug 30 11:16:40 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:56 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <20040830151416.GB1352@merlins.org> References: <20040830121221.3628.qmail@web50709.mail.yahoo.com> <20040830143241.GC30789@linuxmafia.com> <20040830151416.GB1352@merlins.org> Message-ID: <20040830181640.GJ13688@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc_news@merlins.org): > You may not need to put that much effort into it either. I'd say that a link > to linux.com's appropriate section would work too. Is it really worth it to > duplicate their work? It's definitely time to think about the purpose of items on that page -- what needs they're trying to serve. Obviously, if the aim is to be comprehensive, then, between LWN's list and Distrowatch's (and maybe others such as linux.com's), linking to coverage elsewhere is preferable. Which should suffice to make Slackware fans happy, I hope. If not, well, it's an imperfect world. ;-> On the other hand, the page might serve a useful purpose by listing a sampling of major distributions, a couple aimed specifically at new users, one or two boot-from-CD distros, etc. In other words, the best purpose of that section of the page might be to showcase the _variety_ of roles Linux can fill, and to help paint a concise picture of the Linux world. The page as a whole clearly isn't ever going to be anyone's "portal", so some thinking strikes me as being in order as to what its role should be. (Sorry if the above is clumsily worded. I'm still a bit groggy.) -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick@linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association. From David at TechVenue.com Tue Aug 31 11:19:35 2004 From: David at TechVenue.com (David@TechVenue.com) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:57 2005 Subject: [web-team] TechVenue.com Silicon Valley/Bay Area: Event Modified: *** DEFUNCT *** Silicon Valley Linux User Group (SVLUG): Installfest/Workshop, San Jose | Date/Time: Saturday, September 18 2004 | Category: User Groups & SIGS Message-ID: <200408311819.NAA01484@lml100.siteprotect.com> TechVenue.com Event Notification Saturday, September 18 2004 11:00am - 4:00pm Modified by TechVenue Comments: Hello, I need your help please, as we've tried to verify your event posting for several months. Your organization and event posting needs to be verified as active and meeting on the 3rd Saturday of each month. 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Best Regards, David __________________________________ David Flint Founder/President TechVenue.com David@TechVenue.com DIRECT: 708-771-0549 http://TechVenue.com Since 1998, Your Regional Business Technology Events Calendar & Clearinghouse __________________________________ Calendar Name: USValley Scheduled for: Saturday, September 18 2004, 11:00am - 4:00pm Event text: *** DEFUNCT *** Silicon Valley Linux User Group (SVLUG): Installfest/Workshop, San Jose Category: User Groups & SIGS Details: The Silicon Valley Linux User Group (SVLUG): Installfest/Workshop LOCATION: Accent Technology 1880 Hartog Drive San Jose, CA DIRECTIONS: http://www.svlug.org/directions/accent.shtml MAIN URL: http://www.svlug.org/ EVENT NOTES: General Procedures The event itself is usually unformatted - no pre-set schedule of activities. When you arrive, check with the Installfest personnel (not the bookshop employees - we do not want to interfere with their work) on where to set up your system. We try to keep people with new installations together, and people with troubleshooting issues together. Then go to work - our gurus will be there to help. Feel free to ask any question. There is no fixed schedule of acivities, though occasionally we will have an expert come give a mini-seminar on his or her area of expertise. Due to the finite size of the work area, we ask that you be prepared to share tables with other installers. What To Do Bring your machine, including monitor and anything else it needs to work. Bring a power strip. If we have a shortage of outlets, people who bring power strips get priority at the wall outlets. Whether you are doing a new Linux install or just an upgrade, make a backup of your current system before you come. If something goes wrong, we want to be sure that you lose nothing critical. If you are installing a new version of Linux, bring your installation CD and documentation. (Some Intel-based installation CDs may be there for you to use, but don't depend absolutely on it.) We try to have a 10baseT local-area network hooked up among our machines, so bring your NICs! If you have one, bring an Ethernet hub. Since attendance is somewhat unpredictable, it doesn't hurt to have several extras. (Be sure to ask before connecting it - we want a topology where one hub is just for other hubs to connect to, and ideally only one-hub-deep connections from there. Some distant parts of the room may need an extra hub for that area.) Some regular participants have found it handy to make a box of stuff they regularly bring to the Installfests. What Not To Do Don't count on others to have spare monitors, power cables, keyboards, mice, non-Intel Linux distributions, etc... although if you intended to bring them and forgot, ask around before driving back home to get them. Our hours of operation are 11am to 4pm. Don't arrive at 3:00 and expect to get much accomplished before we have to shut down for the day. ORGANIZATION NOTES: The Silicon Valley Linux User Group (SVLUG) is the oldest and one of the largest Linux user groups in the world. It's a group of Linux hobbyists, professionals and enthusiasts in the vicinity of San Jose, California, which is also internationally known as Silicon Valley. Our members share interests in Linux and free or low-cost implementations of Unix, as well as other open sourceTM software. The group was originally formed in 1988 as the PC-Unix Special Interest Group of the Silicon Valley Computer Society. SVLUG celebrated its 10th anniversary at the March 4, 1998 meeting, where Linus Torvalds addressed an audience of 500 people. 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