From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Sun Jul 1 12:51:58 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:23 2005 Subject: [web-team] newsvlug.svlug.org In-Reply-To: <20010626214750.A8296@moremagic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jun 26, 2001 09:47:50 pm" Message-ID: <200107011951.f61JpwC19831@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > Did you get a chance to check out the new svlug server? > > Is it ready for taking over the old one? > (I just don't want to be strapped at the last minute because a change has to > be pushed on the old server, which can't be modified anymore) > > Bobby, you can start copying your content on the new machine too if you > want. > > Thanks, > Marc Okay, I'm visiting now. I've used the sneaky hack of tweaking my /etc/hosts so www.svlug.org leads to the new one, during tests. 1. SSI must be turned on for the svlug server. That's a show stopper. To recreate the site so it is dependent on a different backend logic would be a lot of work. 2. cronjobs have to exist to update the news widgets. We have no ruler of cronjobs officially since Lisa left - Fetch has been running on automagic. Which reminds me, it would be about time for me to fix the c.o.l.a bug. It might be convenient if I had sudo privs to modify the http config, probably via a wrapper script. (If sudo on scripts makes you feel creepy, take the source to vipw and just tweak the filenames. You'd have to do more to have it do RCS checkout/in for you.) More soon. . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 From w_pennington at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 12:51:52 2001 From: w_pennington at yahoo.com (Walt Pennington) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] possible broken link Message-ID: <20010701195152.93658.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.svlug.org/projects.shtml On the above page, you have a link for information on installfests at installfest.com. When I click on the link in both Netscape and Opera, I am moved to Thunder.net. At that site, I cannot find anything on installfests. I would appreciate your assistance in locating the information on installfests. Sincerely, Walt Pennington __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From marc_news at valinux.com Sun Jul 1 12:55:01 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] newsvlug.svlug.org In-Reply-To: <200107011951.f61JpwC19831@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:51:58PM -0700 References: <20010626214750.A8296@moremagic.merlins.org> <200107011951.f61JpwC19831@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20010701125501.A20229@magic.merlins.org> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:51:58PM -0700, Heather wrote: > Okay, I'm visiting now. I've used the sneaky hack of tweaking my /etc/hosts > so www.svlug.org leads to the new one, during tests. > > 1. SSI must be turned on for the svlug server. That's a show stopper. > To recreate the site so it is dependent on a different backend logic > would be a lot of work. It should be turned on, but I agree that things aren't working: /etc/apache/httpd.conf AddType text/html .shtml AddHandler server-parsed .shtml I wasn't sure if it was an shtml problem, a php problem or else. > 2. cronjobs have to exist to update the news widgets. We have no ruler > of cronjobs officially since Lisa left - Fetch has been running on > automagic. Which reminds me, it would be about time for me to fix > the c.o.l.a bug. I moved the cronjobs to you. They should probably be listed in /etc/crontab though under any UID you wish (www-data I suppose) > It might be convenient if I had sudo privs to modify the http config, Done. Please give a quick overview of what you had to change/fix. Thanks Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Sun Jul 1 13:42:09 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] possible broken link In-Reply-To: <20010701195152.93658.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> from Walt Pennington at "Jul 1, 2001 12:51:52 pm" Message-ID: <200107012042.f61Kg9w20006@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > http://www.svlug.org/projects.shtml > > On the above page, you have a link for information on installfests at > installfest.com. When I click on the link in both Netscape and Opera, I > am moved to Thunder.net. At that site, I cannot find anything on > installfests. Yes, we know. The web server is frozen right now and undergoing a setup on a completely new server. I don't know what ended up happening to installfest.(com|org) but, you can come to SVLUG's installfest on 3rd Saturday at San Jose's Computer Literacy: http://www.svlug.org/wrkshop.shtml or attend the CABAL installfests whenever they have them: http://www.linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/ > I would appreciate your assistance in locating the information on > installfests. > > Sincerely, > Walt Pennington Many regional LUGs hold their own installfests, many can be found by visiting Google's Linux specific search engine http://www.google.com/linux (***NOTE*** do *not* put a slash on the end. This is a script named linux, not a directory with an unknown index file in it.) ...and typing in the single word "installfest". Heather Stern -*- star@ (personal) -*- starshine.org - SVLUG - Silicon Valley Linux Users Group - Web Content Coordinator ----- - From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Sun Jul 1 13:50:22 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] newsvlug.svlug.org In-Reply-To: <20010701125501.A20229@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jul 1, 2001 12:55:01 pm" Message-ID: <200107012050.f61KoMO20040@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:51:58PM -0700, Heather wrote: > > Okay, I'm visiting now. I've used the sneaky hack of tweaking my /etc/hosts > > so www.svlug.org leads to the new one, during tests. > > > > 1. SSI must be turned on for the svlug server. That's a show stopper. > > To recreate the site so it is dependent on a different backend logic > > would be a lot of work. > > It should be turned on, but I agree that things aren't working: > /etc/apache/httpd.conf > AddType text/html .shtml > AddHandler server-parsed .shtml > > I wasn't sure if it was an shtml problem, a php problem or else. I will check permissions. They might need the xbithack. {task switch} Well, I dunno. Making index.shtml at the top executable didn't help it any. I'll see if I can magick it into working :( > > 2. cronjobs have to exist to update the news widgets. We have no ruler > > of cronjobs officially since Lisa left - Fetch has been running on > > automagic. Which reminds me, it would be about time for me to fix > > the c.o.l.a bug. > > I moved the cronjobs to you. > They should probably be listed in /etc/crontab though under any UID you wish > (www-data I suppose) I also have to untangle the mess that is our reference to installfesting stuff. > > It might be convenient if I had sudo privs to modify the http config, > > Done. Thanks. > Please give a quick overview of what you had to change/fix. Will do, as soon as I discover it. Heather Stern - star@starshine.org -*- Starshine Technical Services Sysadmin Support & Training -*- consulting@starshine.org From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Sun Jul 1 15:26:33 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] newsvlug.svlug.org In-Reply-To: <200107012050.f61KoMO20040@betelgeuse.starshine.org> from Heather at "Jul 1, 2001 01:50:22 pm" Message-ID: <200107012226.f61MQX320330@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > > > 1. SSI must be turned on for the svlug server. That's a show stopper. > > > To recreate the site so it is dependent on a different backend logic > > > would be a lot of work. > > > > It should be turned on, but I agree that things aren't working: > > /etc/apache/httpd.conf > > AddType text/html .shtml > > AddHandler server-parsed .shtml > > > > I wasn't sure if it was an shtml problem, a php problem or else. > > I will check permissions. They might need the xbithack. {task switch} > Well, I dunno. Making index.shtml at the top executable didn't help it > any. I'll see if I can magick it into working :( [ snip snip ] > > Please give a quick overview of what you had to change/fix. > Will do, as soon as I discover it. Two things in /etc/httpd.conf 1. A Directory option is required to honor Includes. added a Directory section for the actual document root. (There was its parent, stripped to darn near nada; one child with auth restrictions; and the lists site, but nothing for itself.) 2. (bang head on wall, discover pillow already there) uhhhh... it helps if the includes_module is loaded. It was commented out. Cleanup continues... . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Sun Jul 1 23:27:50 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... Message-ID: <200107020627.f626RoD21641@betelgeuse.starshine.org> It's not ready but it's getting better. I took a first pass in with a Scrubbing Bubble (just one, I'm slow). I've left the Link Fram for Winston. But I did find lots of busted links, and clean up some matter of organization. I haven't gotten to the Installfest page, but I think someone else was supposed to be maintaining that. If so I'd like whoever that is to speak up so I'm clued in again :) Here's the scribble notes I took while banging away on it: I've moved a bunch of maps into /directions some of these documents refers to phone numbers, which should be checked. Or I can de-link the older documents. numerous references to folks' logos have been "merged" onto the sponsor_imgs versions of the logos. Check if any of them look stupid for being too big. References are being tweaked to be mapped against / ... this is cache friendly, not "mirror me" friendly, unless the mirrors are full subdomains. Since SVLUG is not highly mirrored, but is highly travelled to, this seems the fairest trade. (You're welcome to disagree with me, I like reasons for things, so let me know if you have a better reason for another plan.) The header includes and footer includes that get changed, need to have the word "file" changed to "virtual" or they don't work any more. Nobody has any idea what happened to installfest.com. It had a .org too, same problem. DNS leads to Ian, but Ian's site doesn't have it - we have fragments of it. At the moment I'm avoiding linking to it. CGIs are in httpd's home, not /usr/lib/cgi-bin. But, there is more missing. Can't locate Vote/STV.pm in @INC I found it in the old stuff but I suppose we should see that it hasn't been corrupted before trying to use it. cp-a'd the dir to my home so I can look later. Built Date::Calc (thx CPAN!) to satisfy WebFetch. It didn't help. mk_live_links is an unhappy camper. Since the front page depends deeply on WebFetch stuff we ought to make this work even if we have to "set up from Scratch" in that regard. At least WebFetch is fresh, thanks Marc. About Linux now works - I point into Linuxdoc's Linux FAQ. Past Meetings has been filled up to April this year instead of the last. I haven't yet recooked the list pages, not sure how configurable the mailman stuff is, or if we'd rather that I "wrapper" it anyway. Search page has been cleaned A LOT but now I need to put a sitemap in, and/or fix the CGI problems. One CGI at a time... ugh... I really think the events/ and prev/ and maybe some other crufty floating bits need to be merged effectively? Some of the events *were* meetings. August's data is now the top stuff on /meetings.shtml, but I think I forgot to tweak events.html to match. Summary: Lots of things fixed, still needs work though. . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Sun Jul 1 23:46:44 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] Mail test flunked, Web about halfway there. Message-ID: <200107020646.f626kiv21730@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Well, this is curious -- I guess the aliases aren't setup on the new box yet. But the RCS chomper works ;) Heather Stern - star@starshine.org -*- Starshine Technical Services Sysadmin Support & Training -*- consulting@starshine.org ----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System ----- From star Sun Jul 1 22:50:57 2001 Delivered-To: star@starshine.org X-Failed-Recipients: web-team@svlug.org From: Mail Delivery System To: star@svlug.org Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Message-Id: Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:00:05 -0700 This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: web-team@svlug.org unknown local-part "web-team" in domain "svlug.org" ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from star by mail.svlug.org with local (Exim 3.30 #1 (Debian)) id 15GtwQ-0004EB-00 for ; Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:00:02 -0700 From: cvs-watcher@svlug.org (SVLUG CVS Locksmith) Reply-To: web-team@svlug.org To: web-team@svlug.org Subject: [web-team] modified/unlocked RCS files Message-Id: Sender: Heather Stern Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:00:02 -0700 [This message was automatically generated.] The following files were modified without being checked out: /var/www/html/what.shtml 3a4 > 10c11 < --- >
13c14 < If you're looking for where to get a copy of Linux... --- > This Page Has Had Its Name Changed. 15,17c16,17 < See < "Major Linux Distributions" < at SVLUG's Link Farm. --- > You will be redirected to > about.html now. 22c22 <

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The Silicon Valley Linux User Group (SVLUG) is the oldest and one of the largest Linux user groups in the world. It's a group of Linux hobbyists, professionals and enthusiasts in the vicinity of San Jose, California, which is also internationally known as Silicon Valley. Our members share interests in Linux and free or low-cost implementations of Unix, as well as other open sourceTM software. The group was originally formed in 1988 as the PC-Unix Special Interest Group of the Silicon Valley Computer Society. SVLUG celebrated its 10th anniversary at the March 4, 1998 meeting, where Linus Torvalds addressed an audience of 500 people.  --- >

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SVLUG meetings are held the first Wednesday of the month, < and Installfests/workshops are held the 3rd Saturday of the month. < The meetings < are either technical presentations, product demonstrations, or general < question and answer meetings. The Saturday workshops are your chance to < bring in your computer and install the basic system or work on more advanced < features. All meetings are free and open to the public. Sign up for one of < our mail lists to learn about local events < and discuss Linux with local enthusiasts. < < < <

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The first meeting of the SVCS Linux SIG was in March of 1988, long before Linux was invented. At that time it was the SVCS PC Unix SIG, and we covered all Unix systems for PCs. We met at the AT&T Training Center in Sunnyvale. Our first presentation was a talk by Frank Shultz on Minix. < <

Our first big meeting was in June of 1988 were we had a panel of 6 Unix companies comparing their systems. At this point 80286 support was very important, but some companies were starting to require an 80386. The most popular Unix was Xenix, but Microport was starting to take over. < <

1989 seemed to be the year that AT&T convinced everyone to resell their generic System V Rel 3.2, and the fight was to see who could make it cheaper. Everything would soon be COFF compatible, so every program would run on every Unix version. We had a several companies in to show us their products, but the price winner was Esix from Everex. <

From 1989 through 1991 the group was popular because of the number of general Unix topics we had. We had industry experts give us interesting technical presentations on X, C++, networking, and other topics.

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Early in 1992 AT&T closed down their Training Center, and we lost our meeting location. We moved to the Cupertino library. The meetings became more informal with much fewer presentations. It looked like it could be the end of the SIG, but a new trend had started, and it looked like we could soon have a free alternative to Unix SVR4.

The first step in this new direction was a presentation in March of 1991 by Bill Jolitz on his port of Berkeley Unix to the 80386. This was not the free version of 386BSD; it was based on some proprietary code that had to be re-ported later. Linus was working on Linux at the same time, but it was months before Bill and Linus found out about each other. Linux started getting out in late 1991, and in March 1992, 386BSD was first distributed at an SVNet meeting (where most of us were also members). In April 1992 we had the first of a few big meetings comparing Linux and 386BSD. 1992 was the most exciting year for the group, with members deciding which free system they were going to take. <

The fight for which system was best continued through 1993. In December we had a combined meeting with SVNet where we had speakers comparing Linux, NetBSD and Coherent. By then 386BSD itself was drifting away because of the lack of updates, and the 2 groups, NetBSD and FreeBSD, were fighting for control. At the same time there were many happy users of Coherent that were willing to spend $99 for a system that had a number you could call for support. 1993 was also the year Linux on CD-ROM became popular. Linux won over *BSD because of the "fear, uncertainty and doubt" about putting Net/2 on a CD-ROM and getting sued. In 1993 we lost the Cupertino library and moved to the meeting room attached to the Carl's Jr restaurant at First and Trimble in North San Jose. <

In Februrary 1994 we had a meeting discussing the newly released NetBSD < <

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1995: Renamed The Linux SIG < <
In 1995, we had mostly general question/answer meetings, with a few technical presentations by members of the group, and with people from the SoftCraft and Yggdrasil distributions. We evolved into the Linux SIG. About 30 people come to a typical meeting. The Web site was set up in July 1995 and has all the current info on the group.

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1997: Renamed Again - The Silicon Valley Linux User Group < <
In 1997, we continued growing with the growth of Linux. By the latter half of the year, every meeting packed the room with about 50 people. <

A group of Linux users at Cisco Systems, who were mostly also attendees of the SVCS Linux SIG, set up a mail list called "SVLUG". They set up the first SVLUG "installfest" at a meeting room at Cisco. There was some discussion about whether this should be the same group or independent from SVCS. Eventually the decision was that they were the same group, and the "SVLUG" name was promptly used to rename the Linux SIG with a more current title. This also led to the establishment of the svlug.org domain. The new web site was on a small Linux server donated to SVLUG and hosted on the network at VA Research, many of whose employees were and are SVLUG members. The SVLUG mail list was also moved from Cisco to SVLUG's new domain. < < <

Toward the end of 1997, there was an ironic twist of events as SVCS found itself in need of a new location to host its web site. SVLUG was now in the position of rescuing its parent organization, and hosting it at the ----- End of forwarded message from Mail Delivery System ----- From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Jul 3 16:13:00 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <200107020627.f626RoD21641@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:27:50PM -0700 References: <200107020646.f626kiv21730@betelgeuse.starshine.org> <200107020627.f626RoD21641@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20010703161259.O20229@magic.merlins.org> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:27:50PM -0700, Heather wrote: > It's not ready but it's getting better. I took a first pass in with a > Scrubbing Bubble (just one, I'm slow). I've left the Link Fram for Winston. > But I did find lots of busted links, and clean up some matter of organization. > I haven't gotten to the Installfest page, but I think someone else was > supposed to be maintaining that. If so I'd like whoever that is to speak > up so I'm clued in again :) Thanks for fixing what you could. As for some links being out of date, that's life, we can't be perfect. > numerous references to folks' logos have been "merged" onto the sponsor_imgs > versions of the logos. Check if any of them look stupid for being too big. BTW, I'd like to remove the Penguin Computing logo. I'm sick and tired of Sam hoging and squatting the svlug.com domain which he obviously couldn't care less about since the domain is yet again broken. I do not want to see that redirecting bullshit anymore, he should just hand out the domain and let us serve it. BTW, as far as I am concerned, he is not even an svlug member anymore. > References are being tweaked to be mapped against / ... this is cache > friendly, not "mirror me" friendly, unless the mirrors are full subdomains. > Since SVLUG is not highly mirrored, but is highly travelled to, this seems > the fairest trade. (You're welcome to disagree with me, I like reasons for Sounds good. > Nobody has any idea what happened to installfest.com. It had a .org too, > same problem. DNS leads to Ian, but Ian's site doesn't have it - we have > fragments of it. At the moment I'm avoiding linking to it. What did Ian answer when you asked him? > CGIs are in httpd's home, not /usr/lib/cgi-bin. But, there is more missing. > Can't locate Vote/STV.pm in @INC > I found it in the old stuff but I suppose we should see that it hasn't been > corrupted before trying to use it. cp-a'd the dir to my home so I can look > later. Thanks. > Built Date::Calc (thx CPAN!) to satisfy WebFetch. It didn't help. Mmmh, I thought I had gotten webfetch to work, that's weird (maybe not all of it) Either way, for next time: magic(@va):~# apt-cache search perl | grep -i calc libdate-calc-perl - Perl library for accessing dates > mk_live_links is an unhappy camper. Since the front page depends deeply > on WebFetch stuff we ought to make this work even if we have to "set up > from Scratch" in that regard. At least WebFetch is fresh, thanks Marc. Let's see: newsvlug:/home/httpd/html# /home/httpd/bin/mk_live_links svlug Use of uninitialized value in int at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/WebFetch/SiteNews.pm line 329, line 856. WebFetch: error: Date::Calc::Month_to_Text(): month out of range at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/WebFetch/SiteNews.pm line 329, line 856. Looking at SiteNews, the problem is that printstamp gets called with an undefined/empty value. Entry: 20010403, SVLUG April 4 meeting in Cisco Building 9., priority( HASH(0x8346f6c) ), expired( HASH(0x8346f6c) ), 102, 20010403-000 Entry: , , priority( HASH(0x8346fcc) ), expired( HASH(0x8346fcc) ), 103, -000 Use of uninitialized value in int at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/WebFetch/SiteNews.pm line 330, line 856. WebFetch: error: Date::Calc::Month_to_Text(): month out of range at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/WebFetch/SiteNews.pm line 330, line 856 Ok, I debugged it some more and the problem is that webfetch doesn't seem happy with titles that have a line that doesn't start with a TAB: Bad: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- category=svlug-meeting posted=20010403 expires=20010405 title=SVLUG April 4 meeting in Cisco Building 9. Join us to hear about Subversion, a compelling replacement for CVS. We'll be in Cisco Building 9 at 7 pm.... Pacific Daylight Time, so if you haven't already set your watch ahead 1 hr, you want to do that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- category=svlug-meeting posted=20010403 expires=20010405 title=SVLUG April 4 meeting in Cisco Building 9. Join us to hear about Subversion, a compelling replacement for CVS. We'll be in Cisco Building 9 at 7 pm.... Pacific Daylight Time, so if you haven't already set your watch ahead 1 hr, you want to do that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why it worked on the old machine? No idea. I fixed svlug-news.txt and it's all happy now. > About Linux now works - I point into Linuxdoc's Linux FAQ. Past Meetings > has been filled up to April this year instead of the last. I haven't yet > recooked the list pages, not sure how configurable the mailman stuff is, > or if we'd rather that I "wrapper" it anyway. Search page has been cleaned > A LOT but now I need to put a sitemap in, and/or fix the CGI problems. Ok :-) > One CGI at a time... ugh... Do not try to be too fancy either for now. If the site basically works, I'd like to switch machines and retire the old one. We can still make the new one better after it is up. > I really think the events/ and prev/ and maybe some other crufty floating > bits need to be merged effectively? Some of the events *were* meetings. I think it's your call, you're the only person who knows the history. On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:46:44PM -0700, Heather wrote: > Well, this is curious -- I guess the aliases aren't setup on the new box > yet. But the RCS chomper works ;) web-team is not an alias, it's a mailman list. I haven't migrated mailman lists because the old one is still authoritative. When the machines are ready to switch, I'll move the mailman stuff. (BTW, it should do a diff -u, anything else isn't really readable) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Tue Jul 3 17:06:16 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <20010703161259.O20229@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jul 3, 2001 04:13:00 pm" Message-ID: <200107040006.f6406Gc29074@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > > ... But I did find lots of busted links, ... > > I haven't gotten to the Installfest page, but I think someone else was > > supposed to be maintaining that. If so I'd like whoever that is to speak > > up so I'm clued in again :) > > Thanks for fixing what you could. As for some links being out of date, > that's life, we can't be perfect. :> > > numerous references to folks' logos have been "merged" onto the sponsor_imgs > > versions of the logos. Check if any of them look stupid for being too big. > > BTW, I'd like to remove the Penguin Computing logo. I'm sick and tired of > Sam hoging and squatting the svlug.com domain which he obviously couldn't > care less about since the domain is yet again broken. I've placed a call to Sam, reached him voice, and he says he will check what is going on with it. (having large-negative-numbers of free time is not the same as not caring. Perhaps some sort of system-checker is in order, tho.) > I do not want to see that redirecting bullshit anymore, he should just hand > out the domain and let us serve it. Just to make this clear, the redirector was there because *I provided it*. I want people who have the wrong version of it noted to FIX THEIR BOOKMARKS and that means, that even if we serve it, something like, "You meant .ORG didn't you?" ...will be provided. Maybe I should whip up a page in the spirit of the Nazi Frogmen for it though. > BTW, as far as I am concerned, he is not even an svlug member anymore. ?? If he's on the list (this I dunno) and he comes to meetings (rarely but I have seen him sometimes) then... whether you like or even despise him, he's still a member. SVLUG membership is not exactly a feature which means much, except that you have an interest in Linux in the SIlicon Valley, and you don't live under a rock so you've come to some meetings. Big whoop. By the way since I have all the hats I can possibly wear already, figuring out what might be bothering you about domain matters isn't tops on my telepathic-practice-targets list. So if you want me to call people and turn on the Heather's-Charm-and-Tonfa smile, you have to *tell* me. Paging me is even better, since I occasionally go into a programmer's haze and ignore email for a day or two. > > References are being tweaked to be mapped against / ... this is cache > > friendly, not "mirror me" friendly, unless the mirrors are full subdomains. > > Since SVLUG is not highly mirrored, but is highly travelled to, this seems > > the fairest trade. (You're welcome to disagree with me, I like reasons for > > Sounds good. > > > Nobody has any idea what happened to installfest.com. It had a .org too, > > same problem. DNS leads to Ian, but Ian's site doesn't have it - we have > > fragments of it. At the moment I'm avoiding linking to it. > > What did Ian answer when you asked him? (Once upon an age ago he has said stuff about it, which I forget.) I haven't gotten to that. So, I left voicemail at the number Ian has in his domain contact info for Installfest.com. We'll probably chat later this evening when he's home from work. > > CGIs are in httpd's home, not /usr/lib/cgi-bin. But, there is more missing. > > Can't locate Vote/STV.pm in @INC > > I found it in the old stuff but I suppose we should see that it hasn't been > > corrupted before trying to use it. cp-a'd the dir to my home so I can look > > later. > > Thanks. > > > Built Date::Calc (thx CPAN!) to satisfy WebFetch. It didn't help. > > Mmmh, I thought I had gotten webfetch to work, that's weird (maybe not all > of it) > Either way, for next time: > magic(@va):~# apt-cache search perl | grep -i calc > libdate-calc-perl - Perl library for accessing dates whatever. tmt1wtdi... > > mk_live_links is an unhappy camper. Since the front page depends deeply > > on WebFetch stuff we ought to make this work even if we have to "set up > > from Scratch" in that regard. At least WebFetch is fresh, thanks Marc. > > Let's see: > newsvlug:/home/httpd/html# /home/httpd/bin/mk_live_links svlug > Use of uninitialized value in int at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/WebFetch/SiteNews.pm line 329, line 856. > WebFetch: error: Date::Calc::Month_to_Text(): month out of range at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/WebFetch/SiteNews.pm line 329, line 856. > > Looking at SiteNews, the problem is that printstamp gets called with an > undefined/empty value. > > Entry: 20010403, SVLUG April 4 meeting in Cisco Building 9., priority( HASH(0x8346f6c) ), expired( HASH(0x8346f6c) ), 102, 20010403-000 > Entry: , , priority( HASH(0x8346fcc) ), expired( HASH(0x8346fcc) ), 103, -000 > Use of uninitialized value in int at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/WebFetch/SiteNews.pm line 330, line 856. > WebFetch: error: Date::Calc::Month_to_Text(): month out of range at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/WebFetch/SiteNews.pm line 330, line 856 > > Ok, I debugged it some more and the problem is that webfetch doesn't seem > happy with titles that have a line that doesn't start with a TAB: > > Bad: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > category=svlug-meeting > posted=20010403 > expires=20010405 > title=SVLUG April 4 meeting in Cisco Building 9. > Join us to hear about Subversion, a compelling replacement for > CVS. We'll be in > Cisco Building 9 > at 7 pm.... Pacific Daylight Time, so > if you haven't already set your watch ahead 1 hr, you want to do that. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^^^^^^^ are these spaces? my reader is showing TABs... > Good: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > category=svlug-meeting > posted=20010403 > expires=20010405 > title=SVLUG April 4 meeting in Cisco Building 9. > Join us to hear about Subversion, a compelling replacement for > CVS. We'll be in > Cisco Building 9 > at 7 pm.... Pacific Daylight Time, so > if you haven't already set your watch ahead 1 hr, you want to do that. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^^^^^^^ so this indention is supposed to be 1 and only 1 tab, correct? > Why it worked on the old machine? No idea. maybe a copy process tr'd some of the characters. Or one of our editors is doing it. I visited a lot of files with vim and I wasn't careful about whether I called it using 'vi' or 'vim'. > I fixed svlug-news.txt and it's all happy now. :D > > About Linux now works - I point into Linuxdoc's Linux FAQ. Past Meetings > > has been filled up to April this year instead of the last. I haven't yet > > recooked the list pages, not sure how configurable the mailman stuff is, > > or if we'd rather that I "wrapper" it anyway. Search page has been cleaned > > A LOT but now I need to put a sitemap in, and/or fix the CGI problems. > > Ok :-) > > > One CGI at a time... ugh... > > Do not try to be too fancy I don't want to change *any* functionality, just get the same CGIs all working (and noted what they are) again. Directory cleanups only where possible to make invisible from the POV of users who surf the web in normal fashion. Well let me change that. If it's cheap to FIX the stupid c.o.l.a widget I would very much like that to happen. It would be visibly a good thing, from our > either for now. If the site basically works, I haven't checked any of the crontabs so I dunno if it's on automatic safely yet. Have you? > I'd > like to switch machines and retire the old one. > We can still make the new one better after it is up. > > I really think the events/ and prev/ and maybe some other crufty floating > > bits need to be merged effectively? Some of the events *were* meetings. > > I think it's your call, you're the only person who knows the history. That can happen after we release. > On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:46:44PM -0700, Heather wrote: > > Well, this is curious -- I guess the aliases aren't setup on the new box > > yet. But the RCS chomper works ;) > > web-team is not an alias, it's a mailman list. > I haven't migrated mailman lists because the old one is still authoritative. Fair. > When the machines are ready to switch, I'll move the mailman stuff. > (BTW, it should do a diff -u, anything else isn't really readable) Ok, that's on the list during the crontab visit... . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jul 6 00:31:36 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <200107040006.f6406Gc29074@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 05:06:16PM -0700 References: <20010703161259.O20229@magic.merlins.org> <200107040006.f6406Gc29074@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20010706003136.A1573@magic.merlins.org> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 05:06:16PM -0700, Heather wrote: > (having large-negative-numbers of free time is not the same as not caring. > Perhaps some sort of system-checker is in order, tho.) Sorry, I don't buy this. Do you know how long it's been down? Why does he insist in hogging this domain for no good reason except self interest when he won't even maintain it? moremagic:~$ ping 209.81.10.250 PING 209.81.10.250 (209.81.10.250) from 192.168.205.1 : 56 data bytes --- 209.81.10.250 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss moremagic:~$ ping 209.81.10.251 PING 209.81.10.251 (209.81.10.251) from 192.168.205.1 : 56 data bytes --- 209.81.10.251 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss moremagic:~$ nslookup svlug.com 209.81.10.250 moremagic:~$ host -t any svlug.com 209.81.10.250 Using domain server 209.81.10.250: moremagic:~$ host -t any svlug.com 209.81.10.251 Using domain server 209.81.10.251: What more is there to say? > Just to make this clear, the redirector was there because *I provided it*. Yes, I know. I still believe that it was the wrong solution, but it may have been the only one that did not involve getting ugly. > I want people who have the wrong version of it noted to FIX THEIR BOOKMARKS > and that means, that even if we serve it, something like, > > "You meant .ORG didn't you?" Yep, that there is nothing incompatible with this and all 3 zones being served off the same DNS servers, and being automatically in sync, while having .com being handled differently (with a redirect) on the same machine that all the web pages are. Look: Domain Name: SVLUG.COM (...) Domain servers in listed order: PASTA.PENGUINCOMPUTING.COM 209.81.10.250 RICE.PENGUINCOMPUTING.COM 209.81.10.251 The only thing he ever did on svlug.com, and renewed the domain with the internic, preventing us from using it correctly for SVLUG. > > BTW, as far as I am concerned, he is not even an svlug member anymore. > > ?? If he's on the list (this I dunno) and he comes to meetings (rarely No, he isn't anymore. > but I have seen him sometimes) then... whether you like or even despise > him, he's still a member. He's not. He hasn't done anything for svlug in quite a while (actually, he resigned a bit before I got elected), nor has he shown up at any meeting, and he's not subscribed to any svlug list. IIRC, his Email started bouncing a while ago and mailman removed him from the officers list. > SVLUG membership is not exactly a feature which means much, except that > you have an interest in Linux in the SIlicon Valley, and you don't live > under a rock so you've come to some meetings. Big whoop. Eh, I'm not going to debate this, there's no point. But it is important, because he registered the domain as "SVLUG Group", and he clearly doesn't meet any of the definitions that would make him a member anymore. > By the way since I have all the hats I can possibly wear already, figuring > out what might be bothering you about domain matters isn't tops on my > telepathic-practice-targets list. So if you want me to call people and > turn on the Heather's-Charm-and-Tonfa smile, you have to *tell* me. Paging > me is even better, since I occasionally go into a programmer's haze and > ignore email for a day or two. I'm not too sure what there is to do about it. If someone can convince him to just hand the domain over and let people manage it, that'd be ideal. If you can do that, awesome. If it's someone else, that's fine too. l've tried to close my eyes on the current situation, but time has confirmed my believe that it was more than suboptimal, and didn't work (outside of the fact that it was somewhere between charade and big joke) If that doesn't work, I'm not sure. Anything else would be drastic, and if I do it, people will probably think that I have some kind of personal vendetta against him, when in real life, I have _much_ better things to do. > > Either way, for next time: > > magic(@va):~# apt-cache search perl | grep -i calc > > libdate-calc-perl - Perl library for accessing dates > > whatever. tmt1wtdi... Well, not quite whatever. If it's a package, it gets automatically upgraded, and you can automatically re-install all packages to a new machine. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > category=svlug-meeting > > posted=20010403 > > expires=20010405 > > title=SVLUG April 4 meeting in Cisco Building 9. > > Join us to hear about Subversion, a compelling replacement for > > CVS. We'll be in > > Cisco Building 9 > > at 7 pm.... Pacific Daylight Time, so > > if you haven't already set your watch ahead 1 hr, you want to do that. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ^^^^^^^ are these spaces? my reader is showing TABs... I think they're tabs, look in the file. > > Good: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > category=svlug-meeting > > posted=20010403 > > expires=20010405 > > title=SVLUG April 4 meeting in Cisco Building 9. > > Join us to hear about Subversion, a compelling replacement for > > CVS. We'll be in > > Cisco Building 9 > > at 7 pm.... Pacific Daylight Time, so > > if you haven't already set your watch ahead 1 hr, you want to do that. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ^^^^^^^ so this indention is supposed to be 1 and only 1 tab, correct? Ian would know what they're "supposed to be", I just know what I had to change for our current version of webfetch not to die. > > Why it worked on the old machine? No idea. > > maybe a copy process tr'd some of the characters. Or one of our editors is > doing it. I visited a lot of files with vim and I wasn't careful about > whether I called it using 'vi' or 'vim'. I'm thinking it may not have worked we never noticed that it stopped working because the page still displayed an old version. It wasn't a space vs tab issue, it was a problem with no tab (or whitespace) before a line in title. > > either for now. If the site basically works, > > I haven't checked any of the crontabs so I dunno if it's on automatic > safely yet. Have you? I haven't gotten errors yet, does that count? :-) If one thing doesn't get updated as it should, but doesn't break the main page, I wouldn't count that as a showstopper. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Jul 6 04:15:56 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <20010706003136.A1573@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jul 6, 2001 00:31:36 am" Message-ID: <200107061115.f66BFuD06842@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 05:06:16PM -0700, Heather wrote: > > (having large-negative-numbers of free time is not the same as not caring. > > Perhaps some sort of system-checker is in order, tho.) > > Sorry, I don't buy this. Do you know how long it's been down? > Why does he insist in hogging this domain for no good reason except self > interest when he won't even maintain it? Actually, it appears the NIC record has expired; however, please let me handle this my way for a few days longer, ok? . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator From ikluft at thunder.sbay.org Fri Jul 6 10:52:43 2001 From: ikluft at thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <200107061115.f66BFuD06842@betelgeuse.starshine.org> from "Heather" at Jul 06, 2001 04:15:56 AM Message-ID: >From: Heather >> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 05:06:16PM -0700, Heather wrote: >> > (having large-negative-numbers of free time is not the same as not caring. >> > Perhaps some sort of system-checker is in order, tho.) >> >> Sorry, I don't buy this. Do you know how long it's been down? >> Why does he insist in hogging this domain for no good reason except self >> interest when he won't even maintain it? > >Actually, it appears the NIC record has expired; however, please let me >handle this my way for a few days longer, ok? It's the same problem with installfest.org. So I guess whatever Marc is plotting to do to Sam, he'll do to me too. :-) No one had even asked about the domain so I allowed it to expire. It's still in the grace period. If you have heard from people, maybe you want to take it. I had originally reserved them hoping to find helpers to do the maintenance. Without such volunteers, I had to let it sit, holding them so that domain squatters wouldn't get their hands on them before real volunteers showed up. But even for that, it's time to hand it off to someone more interested. -- Ian Kluft KO6YQ PP-ASEL sbay.org coordinator ikluft(at)thunder.sbay.org http://www.kluft.com/~ikluft/ San Jose, CA "Carelessness and overconfidence are usually more dangerous than deliberately accepted risks." -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jul 6 13:25:35 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <200107061115.f66BFuD06842@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 04:15:56AM -0700 References: <200107061115.f66BFuD06842@betelgeuse.starshine.org> <20010706003136.A1573@magic.merlins.org> <200107061115.f66BFuD06842@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20010706132535.H20229@magic.merlins.org> On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 04:15:56AM -0700, Heather wrote: > Actually, it appears the NIC record has expired; however, please let me > handle this my way for a few days longer, ok? Nope, it didn't (not yet at least). I tried to get it last year when Sam didn't pay his bill, but of course NetSol doesn't let you get expired domains. Apparently, he ended up paying the bill eventually. SVLUG Group (SVLUG2-DOM) 3848 Harvest Drive Redwood City, CA 94061 US Domain Name: SVLUG.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact: Ockman, Samuel Isaac (SIO10) ockman@CS.STANFORD.EDU Penguin Computing 965 Mission Suite 630 San Francisco, CA 94103 888-PENGUIN (FAX) 415-243-8181 Record last updated on 01-Aug-2000. Record expires on 18-Jul-2001. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Record created on 18-Jul-1998. Database last updated on 6-Jul-2001 02:43:00 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: PASTA.PENGUINCOMPUTING.COM 209.81.10.250 RICE.PENGUINCOMPUTING.COM 209.81.10.251 That said, if this time, he would agree to let svlug take it over that'd be ideal, but I'm probably not the best person to ask him :-) On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 10:52:43AM -0700, Ian Kluft wrote: > It's the same problem with installfest.org. So I guess whatever Marc is > plotting to do to Sam, he'll do to me too. :-) Nah :-) (actually, I'm not plotting anything anyway). I guess the differences are: 1) You are responsible for installfest.*, so it's your problem :-) 2) If you didn't have to time to continue taking care of it, I'm guessing that you'd be willing to hand it over (Sam has refused in the past) > No one had even asked about the domain so I allowed it to expire. It's > still in the grace period. If you have heard from people, maybe you want > to take it. I had originally reserved them hoping to find helpers to do > the maintenance. Without such volunteers, I had to let it sit, holding > them so that domain squatters wouldn't get their hands on them before > real volunteers showed up. But even for that, it's time to hand it off > to someone more interested. Have you considered asking on the svlug list? Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Jul 6 13:46:16 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: from Ian Kluft at "Jul 6, 2001 10:52:43 am" Message-ID: <200107062046.f66KkGE11276@betelgeuse.starshine.org> >>>> (having large-negative-numbers of free time is not the same as not caring. >>>> Perhaps some sort of system-checker is in order, tho.) >>> >>> Sorry, I don't buy this. Do you know how long it's been down? Sorry, I don't buy it's such a problem that it's been down if you only just complained to me this last week. Esp. since I haven't seen it crop up from world wild web visitors instead. I don't care how long it's been down - I care that -either- (1) we bring it back up [the service] -or- (2) we stop bringing it up [the complaint, esp. the bitchy version of it.] Time to get back to cheerful volunteerism now ! >>> Why does he insist in hogging this domain for no good reason except self >>> interest when he won't even maintain it? > > > >Actually, it appears the NIC record has expired; however, please let me > >handle this my way for a few days longer, ok? > > It's the same problem with installfest.org. So I guess whatever Marc is > plotting to do to Sam, he'll do to me too. :-) > > No one had even asked about the domain so I allowed it to expire. It's > still in the grace period. If you have heard from people, maybe you want > to take it. I had originally reserved them hoping to find helpers to do > the maintenance. Without such volunteers, I had to let it sit, holding > them so that domain squatters wouldn't get their hands on them before > real volunteers showed up. But even for that, it's time to hand it off > to someone more interested. Thanks Ian. Yes, we should take it on, and re-fill it with useful content on the topic. I think I know an active installfester who'd enjoy handling it... to which end, I'll make sure to visit the installfest this month. Marc, would you like to arrange for our friendly OpenSRS vendor to help us re-establish the [installfest.org] domain? . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator From ikluft at thunder.sbay.org Fri Jul 6 13:48:06 2001 From: ikluft at thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <200107062046.f66KkGE11276@betelgeuse.starshine.org> from "Heather" at Jul 06, 2001 01:46:16 PM Message-ID: >From: Heather >Thanks Ian. Yes, we should take it on, and re-fill it with useful content >on the topic. I think I know an active installfester who'd enjoy handling >it... to which end, I'll make sure to visit the installfest this month. > >Marc, would you like to arrange for our friendly OpenSRS vendor to help >us re-establish the [installfest.org] domain? BTW, I have installfest.com and installfest.org. (I picked up the .com when a guy in Canada let it expire last year, to at least keep it away from non-Open Source squatters.) I'm willing to hand them over as a package to any Open Source installfest-related usage, along with admin access to the related SourceForge project I created for it. Someone else had installfest.net - I just checked and see they let it expire completely. No squatters have taken it (yet). -- Ian Kluft KO6YQ PP-ASEL sbay.org coordinator ikluft(at)thunder.sbay.org http://www.kluft.com/~ikluft/ San Jose, CA "Carelessness and overconfidence are usually more dangerous than deliberately accepted risks." -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Jul 6 14:44:43 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <20010706132535.H20229@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jul 6, 2001 01:25:35 pm" Message-ID: <200107062144.f66Lihx11431@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 04:15:56AM -0700, Heather wrote: > > Actually, it appears the NIC record has expired; however, please let me > > handle this my way for a few days longer, ok? > > Nope, it didn't (not yet at least). I tried to get it last year when Sam > didn't pay his bill, but of course NetSol doesn't let you get expired domains. > Apparently, he ended up paying the bill eventually. I have made voice contact with Sam. He is checking on the name service stuff now. For the record I don't care who maintains either installfest.* or svlug.com. All I want is, if someone thinks SVLUG is involved with them, to know what to say about those. If NetSol actually does refuse to sell expired domains, that's okay, then we would know what its status was. And, SVLUG has been around long enough now, do you really feel sorry for some poor sob who can't type "SVLUG" in at google and hit all your editorials, cross references from windows refund day sites, "Launch 98 on a rocket" coverage and so on? Ha. . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Jul 6 14:59:40 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: from Ian Kluft at "Jul 6, 2001 01:48:06 pm" Message-ID: <200107062159.f66Lxea11538@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > >From: Heather > >Thanks Ian. Yes, we should take it on, and re-fill it with useful content > >on the topic. I think I know an active installfester who'd enjoy handling > >it... to which end, I'll make sure to visit the installfest this month. > > > >Marc, would you like to arrange for our friendly OpenSRS vendor to help > >us re-establish the [installfest.org] domain? > > BTW, I have installfest.com and installfest.org. (I picked up the .com when > a guy in Canada let it expire last year, to at least keep it away from > non-Open Source squatters.) I'm willing to hand them over as a package to > any Open Source installfest-related usage, along with admin access to the > related SourceForge project I created for it. > > Someone else had installfest.net - I just checked and see they let it > expire completely. No squatters have taken it (yet). Okay. I am in the process of fixing my own internic record (I use it so rarely, it now points at an address I don't have :< ) ... but it seems like a good idea, we should take on all 3. For installfest.net we should offer subhost entries which are A-record and MX record only to point at the sites of various installfest related efforts. In other words anytime somebody begs us for one of the sites, assuming they really are involved in installfesting, they should just get a spot as .installfest.net. They get to maintain their own stuff though. And yes, I expect sometimes this means they will end up broken or down sometimes and some dope will think that was us. Life's tough. (I am NSI/internic ID: HS439 by the way.) . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jul 6 15:40:11 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <200107062046.f66KkGE11276@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 01:46:16PM -0700 References: <200107062159.f66Lxea11538@betelgeuse.starshine.org> <200107062046.f66KkGE11276@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20010706154011.J20229@magic.merlins.org> On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 01:46:16PM -0700, Heather wrote: > Sorry, I don't buy it's such a problem that it's been down if you only just > complained to me this last week. Esp. since I haven't seen it crop up from Because this whole situation in the first place is utter bullshit. Sam is a domain squatter, end of story. It's not my job to watch his web site and his broken name servers. You also seem to forget that the only reason I even mentionned this is because I asked you if you could remove Penguin from the list of sponsors. The current situation with svlug.com is ridiculous enough that we don't need to thank them in addition for being domain squatters. (Disclaimer: for those who wouldn't know, Penguin isn't a competitor of VA anymore since VA stopped selling hardware, just in case some would think I'd be mixing work and SVLUG) If somehow you can convince Sam to hand out the domain to whoever (us preferably, but someone who will actually serve the domain and point it to our web server would do), that'd be awesome, but it wasn't what my first mail was about. On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 02:59:40PM -0700, Heather wrote: > Okay. I am in the process of fixing my own internic record (I use it so > rarely, it now points at an address I don't have :< ) ... but it seems > like a good idea, we should take on all 3. I recommend you switch to opensrs and ditch netsol altogether. http://www.opensrs.net/ We use them for the svlug domains and many others, and they are great. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From ikluft at thunder.sbay.org Fri Jul 6 15:39:27 2001 From: ikluft at thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:24 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <20010706154011.J20229@magic.merlins.org> from "Marc MERLIN" at Jul 06, 2001 03:40:11 PM Message-ID: >From: Marc MERLIN >On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 01:46:16PM -0700, Heather wrote: >> Sorry, I don't buy it's such a problem that it's been down if you only just >> complained to me this last week. Esp. since I haven't seen it crop up from > >Because this whole situation in the first place is utter bullshit. >Sam is a domain squatter, end of story. Marc - I'm quite sure that as long as someone from VA Linux is running SVLUG, Sam will have no incentive to hand it over. The rivalry between your two companies (even though VA is now leaving the h/w business) has been so deeply bitter for so long that it alone explains the situation. I suggest giving up. This is out of your control. Undoubtedly it won't be fixed by anyone during your term, as it couldn't be during Chris' either. Maybe your successor, whoever and whenever that might be, can give it a try again later. It's unfortunate. But politics happens. -- Ian Kluft KO6YQ PP-ASEL sbay.org coordinator ikluft(at)thunder.sbay.org http://www.kluft.com/~ikluft/ San Jose, CA "Carelessness and overconfidence are usually more dangerous than deliberately accepted risks." -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Jul 6 15:55:31 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: <20010706154011.J20229@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jul 6, 2001 03:40:11 pm" Message-ID: <200107062255.f66MtWo12043@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 01:46:16PM -0700, Heather wrote: > > Sorry, I don't buy it's such a problem that it's been down if you only just > > complained to me this last week. Esp. since I haven't seen it crop up from > > Because this whole situation in the first place is utter bullshit. > Sam is a domain squatter, end of story. > > It's not my job to watch his web site and his broken name servers. > > You also seem to forget that the only reason I even mentionned this is > because I asked you if you could remove Penguin from the list of sponsors. Since you know that I am willing to speak to Sam and you are not... ...you could have asked me any old time, to "do something" ... and I would have done it then instead of now. I consider whining about the past to be a spilt milk problem. The only answer to spilt milk is to clean it up, not kvetch about it. > The current situation with svlug.com is ridiculous enough that we don't need > to thank them in addition for being domain squatters. > (Disclaimer: for those who wouldn't know, Penguin isn't a competitor of VA > anymore since VA stopped selling hardware, just in case some would think I'd > be mixing work and SVLUG) No, I think your bad attitude on the point has nothing to do with VA. Let me deal with it and de-stress for a few. > If somehow you can convince Sam to hand out the domain to whoever (us > preferably, but someone who will actually serve the domain and point it to > our web server would do), that'd be awesome, but it wasn't what my first > mail was about. > > On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 02:59:40PM -0700, Heather wrote: > > Okay. I am in the process of fixing my own internic record (I use it so > > rarely, it now points at an address I don't have :< ) ... but it seems > > like a good idea, we should take on all 3. > > I recommend you switch to opensrs and ditch netsol altogether. > http://www.opensrs.net/ > We use them for the svlug domains and many others, and they are great. I didn't say *my domain's* internic record. I said *my* internic record! Whether I use them for my own domains or not, if any client wants me to be an internic contact for them, I want my nic ID to work. Comparing apples and orange trees :) Thanks to my sysadmin contacts I have a wide variety of choices to consider for alternates as regards whole domains. But that's offtopic. If I turn my interest toward wanting Sam to give me the domain, the easiest part would be if he makes me one or all of the role contacts, and for that, I need a working Internic ID or they will surely screw it up. I do not think I could convince him to give you the domain, even if I thought that were the best tack, and at the moment, I do not. So it may be madness, but it's *my* madness, and yes, I do have a method in there somewhere. . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jul 6 16:13:54 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] First web pass. No, it's not ready... In-Reply-To: ; from ikluft@thunder.sbay.org on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 03:39:27PM -0700 References: <20010706154011.J20229@magic.merlins.org> <200107062255.f66MtWo12043@betelgeuse.starshine.org> <20010706154011.J20229@magic.merlins.org> Message-ID: <20010706161354.A29396@magic.merlins.org> On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 03:39:27PM -0700, Ian Kluft wrote: > I'm quite sure that as long as someone from VA Linux is running SVLUG, > Sam will have no incentive to hand it over. The rivalry between your That's my guess too. That's why I haven't bothered asking him again. On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 03:55:31PM -0700, Heather wrote: > > You also seem to forget that the only reason I even mentionned this is > > because I asked you if you could remove Penguin from the list of sponsors. > > Since you know that I am willing to speak to Sam and you are not... I'm willing to talk to him, I have before and I can again. I just know that on this issue, by talking to him, I'd be only making sure that he'd never hand out the domain. > ...you could have asked me any old time, to "do something" ... and I would I have. You compromized with having him control (very badly) the DNS and the web pages. I said I didn't agree, you said it was the best you thought you could do, I left it at that. > The only answer to spilt milk is to clean it up, not kvetch about it. I'll only be happy and thankful if you can surprise me. > No, I think your bad attitude on the point has nothing to do with VA. Let Good. > > I recommend you switch to opensrs and ditch netsol altogether. > > http://www.opensrs.net/ > > We use them for the svlug domains and many others, and they are great. > > I didn't say *my domain's* internic record. I said *my* internic record! > > Whether I use them for my own domains or not, if any client wants me to > be an internic contact for them, I want my nic ID to work. Comparing > apples and orange trees :) Point taken, my bad. > If I turn my interest toward wanting Sam to give me the domain, the easiest > part would be if he makes me one or all of the role contacts, and for that, I'm quite cool with that. > I need a working Internic ID or they will surely screw it up. I do not You can actually transfert the domain to a registar like opensrs and all Sam needs to do is to click on a URL to confirm the transfert. That solution is my prefered one since it doesn't involve netsol in any way. That said, you are doing it, so you get to pick :-) > So it may be madness, but it's *my* madness, and yes, I do have a method > in there somewhere. Ok. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From marc at merlins.org Wed Jul 11 17:54:52 2001 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] update on newsvlug? Message-ID: <20010711175452.Q5158@magic.merlins.org> I had to reboot svlug.org again and do some work on it today, something like to avoid doing if possible since the new machine already fixes those problems. What's the status on the new box? Is it in a state where it's reasonable to switch it? Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Thu Jul 12 13:44:46 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] update on newsvlug? In-Reply-To: <20010711175452.Q5158@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jul 11, 2001 05:54:52 pm" Message-ID: <200107122044.f6CKikH06431@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > I had to reboot svlug.org again and do some work on it today, something like > to avoid doing if possible since the new machine already fixes those > problems. > > What's the status on the new box? Is it in a state where it's reasonable to > switch it? > > Marc I basically just woke up today -- had a late evening yesterday :> I think it's okay if mildly broken, but pretty much the same broken that the original was. That suggests that it should be ready to rock. The RCS-checker bot works :) so use RCS, everyone, and please, use it correctly. "missing items" in other words things I consider first on the fixme list: 1. COLA reference chops off the helsinki site, expects the local site to mirror last-50. I'm working on a way to do this without gathering a bunch of past COLA notes ad infinitum, and especially without gathering a puddle of stupid directories named yyyy-mm but haven't got it nailed yet. I might be able to wire up the web service so that this pattern of directory name gets a _rewrite to the COLA archive. I'm not sure which is more of a PITA. 2. lists policies/netiquette notes merged at last, and then I can finally get rid of the mdstuff directory entirely. Anyone's welcome to let me know if any pages are missing a header or a footer, since that's the symptom if there's a page I haven't gotten to yet. I *think* I got 'em all. . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jul 13 10:54:23 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] update on newsvlug? In-Reply-To: <200107122044.f6CKikH06431@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:44:46PM -0700 References: <20010711175452.Q5158@magic.merlins.org> <200107122044.f6CKikH06431@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20010713105423.E11102@magic.merlins.org> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:44:46PM -0700, Heather wrote: > > I had to reboot svlug.org again and do some work on it today, something like > > to avoid doing if possible since the new machine already fixes those > > problems. > > > > What's the status on the new box? Is it in a state where it's reasonable to > > switch it? > > > > Marc > > I basically just woke up today -- had a late evening yesterday :> > > I think it's okay if mildly broken, but pretty much the same broken that the > original was. That suggests that it should be ready to rock. Thanks. I'll switch the machines ASAP (maybe not today though because I've been sick for the last two days and do not necessary trust my brain too much right now) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Jul 13 11:39:22 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] update on newsvlug? In-Reply-To: <20010713105423.E11102@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jul 13, 2001 10:54:23 am" Message-ID: <200107131839.f6DIdMU14862@betelgeuse.starshine.org> >>> What's the status on the new box? Is it in a state where it's reasonable to >>> switch it? >> >> I think it's okay if mildly broken, but pretty much the same broken that the >> original was. That suggests that it should be ready to rock. > > Thanks. > > I'll switch the machines ASAP (maybe not today though ...) Is the new machine supposed to serve up svcs.org? If so I need to chase up if that part works correctly. We can still release SVLUG, svcs.org is broken in "real life" too. . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jul 13 16:45:02 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] new svlug box Message-ID: <20010713164400.E13450@magic.merlins.org> I've just switched over to the new svlug machine, it's live now. Thanks to heather for helping setting it up. Bobby, let us know if you need anything else to bring your lsec content online. Thanks, Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jul 13 19:45:01 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] update on newsvlug? In-Reply-To: <200107131839.f6DIdMU14862@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:39:22AM -0700 References: <20010713105423.E11102@magic.merlins.org> <200107131839.f6DIdMU14862@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20010713194413.K11102@magic.merlins.org> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:39:22AM -0700, Heather wrote: > Is the new machine supposed to serve up svcs.org? If so I need to chase up > if that part works correctly. I don't know that it ever has, or maybe as svlug.org/~svcs, but honestly, that was way before my time, and I don't remember that ever working. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From compunuts at telocity.com Fri Jul 13 23:58:02 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (Compunuts) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] Fwd: web-team post from requires approval Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010713235039.00ad8280@mail.telocity.com> >Is the web-team-list Password had been changed? And so will we get the new >password when I see you for the next meeting of SVLUG? I'm just back from >the vacation to Southern California and Neveda for almost a month and >WOW... there has been a lot of changes.... :-) Thanks. Winston... >As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the >following mailing list posting: > > List: web-team@lists.svlug.org > From: dregan@powergate.ca > Subject: #1 online shopping site!!! > Reason: Message has implicit destination > >At your convenience, visit: > > http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/admindb/web-team > >to approve or deny the request. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Linux is not an operating system but it's a way of life. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r3 Stable Registered Linux user 129936 with Linux Counter ( http://counter.li.org ) ======================================= From ikluft at thunder.sbay.org Wed Jul 25 11:24:01 2001 From: ikluft at thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] invitation: Linux 10th anniversary picnic/BBQ, Aug 25 Message-ID: This invitation is addressed to Linux User Groups and Open Source related organizations in our region. (Recipient organizations are listed below.) The Silicon Valley Linux User Group (SVLUG) and the South Bay/Silicon Valley Community Network (sbay.org) would like to invite you and your group's members to the "Linux10" Linux 10th anniversary picnic and BBQ on August 25, 2001 from 11AM to 6PM at the Sunnyvale Baylands Park in Sunnyvale, California. (Grills will close at 3PM.) We're planning this as a regional event. As the coordinator of a LUG or Open Source organization in the region, you're welcome to participate in the planning to any extent you're comfortable with. We're also asking you to promote Linux10 among your membership and to help coordinate travel from your location if necessary. We're sending these invitations as far as Chico, Reno, Fresno, Bakersfield, San Luis Obispo and Los Angeles. Please feel free to circulate this invitation to other Linux or Open Source organizations in or near your area. Here's what the local organizers have done so far: * We picked the August 25 date based on the date of Linus Torvalds' e-mail of Aug 25, 1991 announcing that his experimental kernel was about to be posted. That was what got other people involved, and when it changed from Linus' personal project to the beginning of a community effort. * We reserved the Eucalyptus Hollow picnic area and Baylands Grove amphitheater at Sunnyvale Baylands Park, for a capacity of 625 people. * We established the event's web site at http://www.linux10.org/ * We have recruited some of the volunteers needed to hold the event. * Expenses already incurred have been the park reservation fee and a batch of Linux10 T-shirts which will be sold at SVLUG and other group meetings in the next few weeks for a fund raiser. So far these have been covered out-of-pocket by local organizers. Some of many things we're still doing going forward: * Recruit more volunteers. For most preparations we'll need locals in or near Silicon Valley. Volunteers for the event day can be from anywhere. http://linux10.org/volunteer/ * Find donations to cover the expenses. http://linux10.org/donations/ * Planning activities at the event. * Planning a shuttle from the light rail/bus stop to the event. * Planning radio communications on the site (first aid, transit shuttle, etc.) * Planning food and supply purchases before the event. Here's what we need you to do: * Announce Linux10 and your organization's participation to your members. The URL is http://www.linux10.org/ Some things to mention... * It's a family event. Bring the kids. * It's a no-media event. Linux/Open Source enthusiasts who work for the media may attend and participate while off-duty. * Consider participating in the planning of Linux10, or delegate it to a member of your group to represent you. Our mail list for planners and volunteers is at http://www.sbay.org/mailman/listinfo/linux10 Please introduce yourself and let us know your group will be participating. * Please link to http://www.linux10.org/ from your web site. We'll link to you when we receive your intro. You can specify a URL or we'll get it from http://www.sbay.org/linux-info.html * Please encourage your members to RSVP at http://www.linux10.org/rsvp/ * If necessary, coordinate rides for your area on our ride board http://www.linux10.org/ride_board/ Please note that carpooling is recommended because there are only 300 parking spaces in the adjacent lot. It's a longer walk from other lots. And the rest of the park was booked so those other lots may fill too. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linux10 host organizations: Silicon Valley Linux User Group (SVLUG) South Bay/Silicon Valley Community Network (sbay.org) Linux10 group invitations: (more or less in order of proximity) Stanford University Linux User Group (SULUG) Silicon Valley Perl Mongers Silicon Valley Java User Group (SVJUG) Silicon Valley BSD User Group (SVBUG), San Jose Bay Area NetBSD User Group, San Jose OpenBSD Users Group of Silicon Valley (OBUG), San Jose Bay Area Large Installation System Administrators (BayLISA), Sunnyvale Santa Cruz Linux User Group (SlugLUG) Santa Cruz Perl Mongers East Bay Linux User Group (EBLUG), Fremont Bay Area LinuxChix Consortium of All Bay Area Linux (CABAL) Bay Area Linux Events (BALE) Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG), San Francisco San Francisco Perl Users Group (SFPUG), San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest Group (BayPIGgies) San Francisco Bay Area Chapter, Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) City College of San Francisco Gnu/Linux User Group (CCSF GLUG) UC Berkeley Linux User Group (CalLUG), Berkeley LBNL Linux User Group, Berekeley Berkeley Perl Mongers Bay Area FreeBSD User Group (BAFUG), Berkeley North Bay Linux User Group (NBLUG), Sebastopol Sonoma Perl Mongers Linux User Group of Davis (LUGoD) Sacramento Linux User Group (SacLUG) Central Valley Area Linux Enthusiasts (CVALE), Stockton/Modesto Stockton Linux User Group (SLUG) Modesto Perl Mongers Chico State Linux User Group (CSLUG), Chico Cal Poly Linux User Group, San Luis Obispo Fresno Linux User Group Kern County Linux User Group (KLUG), Bakersfield Reno Linux User Group (RLUG) Linux User Groups of Los Angeles From marc_news at valinux.com Wed Jul 25 14:04:05 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] 'fest dates update In-Reply-To: <200106141852.f5EIq4519039@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:52:04AM -0700 References: <200106141852.f5EIq4519039@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20010725170324.F10158@gandalf.merlins.org> On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:52:04AM -0700, Heather wrote: > Well, as we were discussing behind the scenes, we can't do this yet. (Marc, > you wanna go to the console and at least mention this weekend & july's ?) Sorry, I'm only reading this now, more than a month later, while going through my mail backlog on my laptop on my way to OLS I use mutt coloring to see messages sent to me and officers, but I forgot to do that for web-team, which is why I'm only seeing your message now. Sorry about that. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From anand at cisco.com Thu Jul 26 10:43:01 2001 From: anand at cisco.com (Anand Kumar) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: <3B605676.977A5CEC@cisco.com> Hi, In your Web Page "http://www.svlug.org/404handler.shtml" : Gandhi is misspelt. Please correct it. Thanks. -- \\Anand. From marc_news at valinux.com Sun Jul 29 22:59:02 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines In-Reply-To: <20010215164321.B16826@magic.merlins.org>; from marc@merlins.org on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:43:21PM -0800 References: <20010215164321.B16826@magic.merlins.org> Message-ID: <20010729200822.A1526@gandalf.merlins.org> I'm going through my old stuff in my inbox, and though I resend this :-) On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:43:21PM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote: > Hi Winston, > > I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the web page > we want to have on list policies > http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav Well, if you never got that it may have been lost by now, but try the URL anyway, it might just work (depends on how I did the rsync between the old and new machine) > Basically, it boils down to: > the list link on the main page should point to a page that explains: > - how to subscribe/unsubscribe from a mailman list even if you lost your > password > - Little tidbits like one should not Cc a posting to several lists (unless > there is a reply-to that points away from the svlug list) > - You need to be a member of the list before posting questions > > Don't hesitate to ask questions if you need more info while putting the > pages together. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From compunuts at telocity.com Sun Jul 29 23:34:02 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (Compunuts) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines In-Reply-To: <20010729200822.A1526@gandalf.merlins.org> References: <20010215164321.B16826@magic.merlins.org> <20010215164321.B16826@magic.merlins.org> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010729232533.0334d2c8@mail.telocity.com> > >I'm going through my old stuff in my inbox, and though I resend this :-) > > > >> I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the > web page > >> we want to have on list policies > >> http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav Ah.. No longer there.. I will see whether I have them printed out... I have two boxes full of papers... And I thought Heather had written an info page about it... Is it not? IIRC, I think she did.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Linux is not an operating system but it's a way of life. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r3 Stable Registered Linux user 129936 with Linux Counter ( http://counter.li.org ) ======================================= From compunuts at telocity.com Sun Jul 29 23:34:02 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (Compunuts) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010729233131.03347140@mail.telocity.com> > >I'm going through my old stuff in my inbox, and though I resend this :-) > > > >> I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the > web page > >> we want to have on list policies > >> http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav Ah.. No longer there.. I will see whether I have them printed out... I have two boxes full of papers... And I thought Heather had written an info page about it... Is it not? IIRC, I think she did.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Linux is not an operating system but it's a way of life. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r3 Stable Registered Linux user 129936 with Linux Counter ( http://counter.li.org ) ======================================= From compunuts at telocity.com Sun Jul 29 23:37:01 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (Compunuts) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010729233131.03347140@mail.telocity.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010729233343.03347140@mail.telocity.com> I think my mail client sent the message twice.. My apologies.... :-) From gmate at gmate.com Mon Jul 30 02:18:01 2001 From: gmate at gmate.com (gmate@gmate.com) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] Hello, Linux lovers! Message-ID: Hello, Linux lovers! We at G.Mate, Inc. have researched and developed Embedded Linux PDA uninterruptedly. 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URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/web-team/attachments/20010730/8dd6f3a6/attachment.htm From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Jul 31 17:58:02 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:25 2005 Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010729232533.0334d2c8@mail.telocity.com>; from compunuts@telocity.com on Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 11:28:17PM -0700 References: <20010215164321.B16826@magic.merlins.org> <20010215164321.B16826@magic.merlins.org> <20010729200822.A1526@gandalf.merlins.org> <5.0.2.1.2.20010729232533.0334d2c8@mail.telocity.com> Message-ID: <20010731175223.W10688@magic.merlins.org> On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 11:28:17PM -0700, Compunuts wrote: > > > >I'm going through my old stuff in my inbox, and though I resend this :-) > > > > > > >> I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the > > web page > > >> we want to have on list policies > > >> http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav > > Ah.. No longer there.. I will see whether I have them printed out... I have Ok, I just restored it from the old box > two boxes full of papers... And I thought Heather had written an info page > about it... Is it not? IIRC, I think she did.... I don't remember anything about it, but if the page is there, it's not linked to right now. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key