From pbr at opencountry.net Tue Jan 2 18:12:48 2001 From: pbr at opencountry.net (Paul Reiber) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:16 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: <3A528A9F.2035D9D7@opencountry.net> When I visit www.svlug.org I don't get redirected to svlug.org ... Seems like it'd be pretty simple to make this happen; it's just a DNS entry if I remember right. -- -Paul B. Reiber, Jr. Email: pbr@opencountry.org (408)248-8530 From star at starshine.org Tue Jan 2 18:39:25 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:16 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <3A528A9F.2035D9D7@opencountry.net> from Paul Reiber at "Jan 2, 2001 06:12:48 pm" Message-ID: <200101030240.SAA13130@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > When I visit www.svlug.org I don't get redirected to svlug.org ... Not supposed to be. www.svlug.org is the correct and expectable name. It just so happens that svlug.org, as an IP address, leads to the same machine, therefore people can use the URL without www. in front if they feel like it. www.svlug.COM on the other hand, is owned elsewhere and therefore is supposed to bear a redirect page. Now that I've discovered that it's being unresponsive I'll have to get them to fix it. I know it's a total side effect, but Thanks. > Seems like it'd be pretty simple to make this happen; it's just a > DNS entry if I remember right. Because of the move away from NSI, DNS tweaks of such a minor vein are a bad idea for a few days, even if we were going to do something like that. * Heather Stern * SVLUG Web Coordinator * From dan at celticmusic.com Wed Jan 3 13:19:36 2001 From: dan at celticmusic.com (Dan Beimborn) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:16 2005 Subject: [web-team] DNS/routing issue Message-ID: <3A539768.EA85D6C5@celticmusic.com> Looks like "www.svlug.org" isn't working, I can hit "svlug.org" but I get no route to host for www.svlug.org from multiple isps. Still seeking extra apache hands for the site? DB From star at starshine.org Wed Jan 3 12:12:55 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:16 2005 Subject: [web-team] DNS/routing issue In-Reply-To: <3A539768.EA85D6C5@celticmusic.com> from Dan Beimborn at "Jan 3, 2001 01:19:36 pm" Message-ID: <200101032014.MAA15007@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > Looks like "www.svlug.org" isn't working, I can hit "svlug.org" but > I get no route to host for www.svlug.org from multiple isps. They are actually the same machine, but the address "www.svlug.org" is curretnly the victim of Domain Transfer-itis ... I think. > Still seeking extra apache hands for the site? > > DB Sure. I'll see you this evening at the meeting? * Heather Stern * Web Coordinator, SVLUG * From marc_news at valinux.com Thu Jan 4 09:27:17 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:16 2005 Subject: [web-team] DNS/routing issue In-Reply-To: <3A539768.EA85D6C5@celticmusic.com>; from dan@celticmusic.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:19:36PM -0800 References: <3A539768.EA85D6C5@celticmusic.com> Message-ID: <20010104182717.E740@gandalf> On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:19:36PM -0800, Dan Beimborn wrote: > Looks like "www.svlug.org" isn't working, I can hit "svlug.org" but > I get no route to host for www.svlug.org from multiple isps. We're being screwed by Netsol, see the svlug mailing list for details. BTW, you should be on our announce list, you'd have gotten the info as well as the alternate link that works. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From ecaustin at earthlink.net Sun Jan 7 10:05:54 2001 From: ecaustin at earthlink.net (Earl Caustin) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: <000e01c078d4$7ae67f60$8c00000a@hppav> Do you know how I might contact someone to come to my house for pay and help me get RedHat Linux installed on thr HP Pavillion 8765C I recently bought? I have a weak back and getting all my stuff to the InstallFests is problematic. Thanks, Earl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/web-team/attachments/20010107/42e8a7a8/attachment.html From Winston.Lei at US.jdsuniphase.com Mon Jan 8 10:10:50 2001 From: Winston.Lei at US.jdsuniphase.com (Lei, Winston) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: Dear Earl, I'm not sure of who could volunteer to help you get installed on your Machine but you can always try asking on SVLUG mailing list. Depending on the location, I'm sure that there will be some people who would be able to do that for you, most likely is FREE. Our members are dedicated volunteers who are fighting a cause rather than tech-support. Please try the list first. Please go to http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/ to find out how to subscribe to the list. I'm sure that if you subscribe to the SVLUG mailing list, you will get some response. If you didn't, then send us an e mail again and I will see what I can do for you. At that time, please include your location, not address, just the idea of where you are. Regards, Winston. Member SVLUG -----Original Message----- From: Earl Caustin [mailto:ecaustin@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:06 AM To: webmaster@svlug.org Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Do you know how I might contact someone to come to my house for pay and help me get RedHat Linux installed on thr HP Pavillion 8765C I recently bought? I have a weak back and getting all my stuff to the InstallFests is problematic. Thanks, Earl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/web-team/attachments/20010108/397dbcb4/attachment.htm From marc at merlins.org Fri Jan 12 17:51:51 2001 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: about job policies In-Reply-To: <20010112202609.C22013@LinuxForce.net>; from bill@billjonas.com on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 08:26:09PM -0500 References: <20010112164703.D5360@marc.merlins.org> <20010112202609.C22013@LinuxForce.net> Message-ID: <20010112175151.H5360@marc.merlins.org> On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 08:26:09PM -0500, Bill Jonas wrote: > On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 04:47:03PM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote: > > No, it would not. Our list policies prohibit job offers, or even commercial > > introductions like the one you did. > > Marc, I thought that according to http://www.svlug.org/mdstuff/jobs.shtml > that job postings were permissible if they went through > officers@svlug.org. Or were you referring to direct posting to the list, > bypassing the officers? Unless one was already familiar with list Actually, none of the two have been permissible for quite a while, but now that you mention it, it seems that indeed our web site still doesn't have mailing lists posting guidelines (they disappeared after the switch to mailman). I'm guessing our web team has never had the time to fix that. So basically, about 6-9mo ago, the policies where changed to: - no more job postings to the list, whether they go through officers or not. There just wasn't much interest in job postings on this list, and deciding which ones we ought to let through and which ones we shouldn't wasn't easy. - no more job announcements before the meeting (we were just getting too many) and not enough people were interested - people offering jobs and people looking for jobs can meet in a corner of the room after the SVLUG meeting. Considering that our web page isn't up to date, like I thought, my response was harsher than it should have been, sorry about that. Since this is your LUG, if today people feel differently about one of the points above, send your comments and remarks to officers@svlug.org and if we have enough, we can have a vote. I'm flying to Australia (speaking at linux.conf.au) tomorrow, so I won't be able to answer mail right away. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From klynn at wco.com Fri Jan 12 17:58:38 2001 From: klynn at wco.com (Kevin Lynn) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] trying to modify svcs webpage Message-ID: <3A5FB64E.A0E0A225@wco.com> I would like to be able to u[pdate the SIGs information on the svlug/~svcs page. I used to be able to go in with /~svcs/cgi-bin/mod.cgi, and have a list of passwords for the sigs. The mod.cgi script used to let me select the sig and enter the password. (I'm getting hazy about how to get to the edit page, since it's been so long since it's worked (just about one year). Now I get bounced to the 404handler,shtml page. I sent in a similar a request a month ago, but still have not heard from you.. If you don't want to let me modify the sigs info, then tell me what format to upload the info so that you can update the pages. Kevin Lynn svcs VP SIGs From star at starshine.org Fri Jan 12 18:15:27 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [Officers] Re: about job policies In-Reply-To: <20010112175151.H5360@marc.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jan 12, 2001 05:51:51 pm" Message-ID: <200101130215.SAA08851@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 08:26:09PM -0500, Bill Jonas wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 04:47:03PM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote: >>> No, it would not. Our list policies prohibit job offers, or even commercial >>> introductions like the one you did. > > > > Marc, I thought that according to http://www.svlug.org/mdstuff/jobs.shtml > > that job postings were permissible if they went through > > officers@svlug.org. Or were you referring to direct posting to the list, > > bypassing the officers? Unless one was already familiar with list He's got a point there Marc, if he was honoring the old policies, he's supposed to send it to officers, and he's being good if he didn't post it onward. > Actually, none of the two have been permissible for quite a while, but now > that you mention it, it seems that indeed our web site still doesn't have > mailing lists posting guidelines (they disappeared after the switch to > mailman). > I'm guessing our web team has never had the time to fix that. Yeah, mea culpa, I'll get it fixed. Part of the problem was, we were fussing over what to change the policies *to* ... ...and the new subscribe mechanism... sigh. > So basically, about 6-9mo ago, the policies where changed to: sooner than that, but not exactly recent, either. I'll try to get that fixed this weekend. * Heather Stern * Web Content Coordinator, SVLUG * star@starshine.org * From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jan 12 18:31:08 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [Officers] Re: about job policies In-Reply-To: <200101130215.SAA08851@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@starshine.org on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:15:27PM -0800 References: <20010112175151.H5360@marc.merlins.org> <200101130215.SAA08851@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20010112183108.J5360@marc.merlins.org> On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:15:27PM -0800, Heather wrote: > > > Marc, I thought that according to http://www.svlug.org/mdstuff/jobs.shtml > > > that job postings were permissible if they went through > > > officers@svlug.org. Or were you referring to direct posting to the list, > > > bypassing the officers? Unless one was already familiar with list > > He's got a point there Marc, if he was honoring the old policies, he's > supposed to send it to officers That's correct, but when we changed our policy a while ago (whenever that was), we started rejecting all job offers, even if they were being sent to officers. We do still get an Email to officers every so often, and we explain the current policies and options (what was in my previous mail) After that, the page above became an orphan (i.e. there is no link to it on our web site, so you can't find it unless you bookmarked it) > > I'm guessing our web team has never had the time to fix that. > > Yeah, mea culpa, I'll get it fixed. Part of the problem was, we were fussing > over what to change the policies *to* ... > > ...and the new subscribe mechanism... sigh. Yeah, I know.... > I'll try to get that fixed this weekend. Thanks a bunch. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From claw at kanga.nu Fri Jan 12 20:24:00 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [svlug] Re: [Officers] Re: about job policies In-Reply-To: Message from Heather of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:15:27 PST." <200101130215.SAA08851@betelgeuse.starshine.org> References: <200101130215.SAA08851@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <23013.979359840@kanga.nu> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:15:27 -0800 (PST) Heather wrote: > He's got a point there Marc, if he was honoring the old policies, > he's supposed to send it to officers, and he's being good if he > didn't post it onward. Ignoring all of which -- he asked first. This is a good thing, and a sign that he is aware that such posts might be unwelcome and thus he checked the waters first as is only polite. This is far better than many other recruiters have done. I'd say he minimally deserves a, "Thank you for checking, but no, our LUG policies don't allow job postings at the moment." -- J C Lawrence claw@kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Jan 13 01:22:51 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] (forw) Re: [svlug] Hello Lug Members Message-ID: <20010113012250.F27893@linuxmafia.com> Modest suggestion for an improvement to the list-information pages on lists.svlug.org . ----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen ----- To: svlug@lists.svlug.org Subject: Re: [svlug] Hello Lug Members From: Rick Moen Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:18:23 -0800 begin Derek J. Balling quotation: > Officers take note,... FYI, this info _USED_ to be on the page linked to by > "e-mail lists" from the SVLUG page, but the mailman page doesn't seem to > have ANY of the guidelines/rules/etc. about the mailing list that the old > (pre-mailman) page used to, so if we don't want job postings sent directly > to the list, we ought to rapidly update that page to bring it in line with > what we want... Might I suggest also having that page mention that administrative inquiries should go to svlug-owner@lists.svlug.org ONLY, and NOT to the list? It seems the [listname]-owner convention is not as well known as one might hope. -- Cheers, "Because film is the pre-eminent American art form. You don't hear Rick Moen people saying 'You know, this movie would make a really great epic rick@linuxmafia.com poem.'" -- Orson Scott Card, book signing, 7 Jan 2001 ----- End forwarded message ----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It also appears that the links go to http://www.svlug.org -- John Gutierrez jtgutier@ix.netcom.com From ghardin at pacbell.net Tue Jan 16 00:28:22 2001 From: ghardin at pacbell.net (Gregg Hardin) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: <3A640625.4F228000@pacbell.net> CSLUG's web site shows a web site for a church when I click on it. Found on your web site where it says Other (Linux, Unix, Software, etc.) Local Groups.... You must be using the wrong address.... (Sounds like I have too much time on my hands....) ghardin@pacbell.net From marc at merlins.org Thu Jan 18 16:06:04 2001 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [svlug] linux job postings In-Reply-To: <20010118140601.V20041@linuxmafia.com>; from rick@linuxmafia.com on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:06:01PM -0800 References: <3A6017CF.A992BD16@pacbell.net> <20010113105521.A14095@ix.netcom.com> <20010119070711.F1651@gandalf.linux.conf.au> <20010118140601.V20041@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20010119110604.G888@gandalf.linux.conf.au> On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 02:06:01PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > I _did_ e-mail webmaster@svlug.org (but not officers@...) to convey the > following suggestion: > > Might I suggest also having that page mention that administrative > inquiries should go to svlug-owner@lists.svlug.org ONLY, and NOT to the > list? It seems the [listname]-owner convention is not as well known as > one might hope. I know, that alias isn't very responsive right now, it's basically Heather and that's it. She does her best, but she has other work too. I'm planning to ask for other volunteers at the next meeting > Such an addition might avert many "May I do foo on this list?" posts. I > didn't get acknowledgement, so the right person may not have seen that > suggestion. > > http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/svlug currently includes this at > that bottom: > > svlug list run by svlug-admin-folks@svlug.org > > ...with a similar line at the bottom of > http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/svlug-announce . But neither > has a big clue-notice saying "Send admin queries HERE, not to the list." We really need a full list web page again with all the info, like we had before. Heather said she'd work on it last weekend, but I don't have web access so I can't check. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From bilbrey at speakeasy.net Fri Jan 19 08:19:22 2001 From: bilbrey at speakeasy.net (Brian Bilbrey) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: <01011908192200.01007@gryphon.orbdesigns.com> Eeeek. The http://svlug.org/wrkshop.shtml page is a bit out of date... (november-ish). regards, .brian From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jan 19 20:21:31 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <01011520385500.01271@acepeach>; from jtgutier@ix.netcom.com on Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 08:38:55PM -0800 References: <01011520385500.01271@acepeach> Message-ID: <20010120152130.F888@gandalf.linux.conf.au> On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 08:38:55PM -0800, John Gutierrez wrote: > I couldn't help but notice that your svlug home page invariably contains > EXPIRED EVENT DATES! > > i.e. Your page currently lists the 03-Jan-2000 Speaker Meeting. It also > shows the date for the DECEMBER Installfest. That's actually normal, even though un-intuitive. The reason is that some events are entered as events that are obsolete after a certain amount of time, and they magically disappear from the list, and other ones aren't. For instance, I didn't put an expiration date on my show reports, so that's why some of them still show up when the expirable events have expired. Yes, ideally it should show upcoming events a bit earlier, maybe a couple of months when we do have the data. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From marc at merlins.org Fri Jan 19 19:50:43 2001 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [web-team] In-Reply-To: ; from Winston.Lei@US.jdsuniphase.com on Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:52:07AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20010120145043.E888@gandalf.linux.conf.au> [Added Cc web-team] On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:52:07AM -0800, Lei, Winston wrote: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 09:45:47AM -0800, Lei, Winston wrote: > > I apologize for not being too active here on the web thing. I'm having > > huge problem with my DSL provider and I'm out of Internet service for > > more than two months. My work no longer allows other web traffic other > > than HTTP > > This is starting to become a problem, Heather can't handle it all. Do you > think you can join in or should we ask for new volunteers? > > ##### Wouldn't this be that the more we have the better? :-) . Yeah... I Actually, it turned out that no, at some point we had 10+ people on the web team list and only Heather was really doing anything. The other problem is that last time I asked for volunteers, a couple of ladies (twins?) offered help, but someone who had worked with them walked up to me later and told me in private that they had created much problems in other groups and that they didn't play well with others at all, the last thing we need, so if I make another call, they'll probably offer their help again and wonder why we're not taking it... Since you've just become operational, I'd rather see how it goes now and make another call if you guys tell me you could use more help. > just got my DSL working two days ago and was busy downloading stuff from the > web so I can make up for the loss time. I was just thinking today or Great. > tomorrow to send in some questions on web-team list. I don't have access to Yep, please do. > some of the information and I'm not sure how you want to handle all those > information updates since they are very well out of date now. I also hate to I don't know too much about the whole infrastructure, which is why I try to avoid touching the whole thing unless I have too (or unless I get directions from Heather), but she'll be able to help you. > see so many mails for webmaster account too.. The right timing. I am going Yep, actually just answering the Emails saying that you're looking at all this would already be a good thing. > I logged in and changed my password and stuff like that and mess around a > bit but where is the root of the website SVLUG is on? We will start the > project to updates. YES... I'm in. I think it's in /home/httpd/htdocs or something like that. Good luck, and TIA Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From larryp at inow.com Sat Jan 20 08:10:25 2001 From: larryp at inow.com (Larry Platzek) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] installfest TODAY?????? + C.O.L.A problem Message-ID: Is the INSTALLFEST on for today???? http://svlug.org still is for December? Is their any hope of the C.O.L.A. links on front page ever working again? The links have been broken & reported to the then acting web person MOST OF YEAR 2000. Also is their anyhope that http://www.svlug.org work again? The club has probably lost contact with a number of people with the site "down". the club is shown in other sites links. Larry Platzek larryp@inow.com From star at starshine.org Sun Jan 21 11:32:48 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <20010120152130.F888@gandalf.linux.conf.au> from Marc MERLIN at "Jan 20, 2001 03:21:31 pm" Message-ID: <200101211932.LAA00793@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 08:38:55PM -0800, John Gutierrez wrote: > > I couldn't help but notice that your svlug home page invariably contains > > EXPIRED EVENT DATES! > > > > i.e. Your page currently lists the 03-Jan-2000 Speaker Meeting. It also > > shows the date for the DECEMBER Installfest. > > That's actually normal, even though un-intuitive. > The reason is that some events are entered as events that are obsolete after > a certain amount of time, and they magically disappear from the list, and > other ones aren't. Yes. I've recently updated the meeting's own page so it has our data for the next few months. The installfest was yesterday so no I can update the front item for next month... but the installfest's own page now lists the next months upcoming. It turns out I can't win, because the time when I tried to leave it at: The SVLUG _meetings_ are on the First Wednesday of Every Month The _Installfests_ are on the Third Saturday of Every Month ...then the web team got flooded with questions from people who refused to click the hotlink for more data, folks who aren't willing to look at a calendar and wanted to know when that means, etc. So, this is what we have. I maintain this part as best as my time allows, and we still get questions, but they're fewer, and they're usually right! You can feel proud that you are helping me maintain it by prodding me, if you like :D > For instance, I didn't put an expiration date on my show reports, so that's > why some of them still show up when the expirable events have expired. > > Yes, ideally it should show upcoming events a bit earlier, maybe a couple of > months when we do have the data. > > Marc The critical points is that the expirable events system only manages the left side of the page. I manage the right. And maybe, I should have some cron jobs help me out, but until we had the new speaker coordinator, I didn't want to do that, because we didn't know who the speakers were. Perhaps I will tweak the right side to say so. Hmmm... -* Heather Stern * star@starshine.org * SVLUG Web Coordinator *- From star at starshine.org Sun Jan 21 12:45:15 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] installfest TODAY?????? + C.O.L.A problem In-Reply-To: from Larry Platzek at "Jan 20, 2001 08:10:25 am" Message-ID: <200101212045.MAA00939@betelgeuse.starshine.org> This message addresses a number of issues, so In Advance :) sorry it's so long ... For sanity's sake, the Reply-To field has been set to webmaster@svlug.org. > Is the INSTALLFEST on for today???? http://svlug.org still is for > December? Yes. For absolutely everybody's knowledge: The Installfest is on the Third Saturday EVERY SINGLE MONTH. But, I can't win, because if I only say *that*, then a lot more of you whine at me that you want the date, presumably because you can't be convinced to run 'cal' on your own and look. I did update the web thing to say "It's today" -- and now that it's yesterday :) the front page item is updated for February. And March. And April. Get over it :> btw, I am *not* the installfest coordinator, so if some disaster actually struck and it *wasn't* going to be on, I would *hope* that it would go out on the announce list. But it might not come from me, and then I would have to scramble to change the listing. In theory the installfest coordinator would update the installfest indicators. In practice, I do. Okay? > Is their any hope of the C.O.L.A. links on front page ever working again? > The links have been broken & reported to the then acting web person > MOST OF YEAR 2000. It isn't supposed to be "the web person". The webteam is a handful of people. We all have lives and work in the Valley. What that means that we don't always have the ability to give the svlug web instant response. (boy, there's an understatement.) The address webmaster@svlug.org goes to a handful of people, including our sysadmin for the box, and some officers who aren't normally web folks, but want to know if we need something important. One of us had been owning CGI/cronjob issues. But, it's very understandable that her life got full... I don't want anybody whining further about that. Her baby is a beautiful child. Some things are more important than bits. ... and meanwhile, (yeah it's been a long while, but it was still "meanwhile" for us) C.O.L.A. changed their format, so webfetch (as we have it setup) isn't handling it right. I can probably quickly change it so that it gets no hotlinks to anything, and maybe change it so the header is hot to a C.O.L.A archive (if I can find one quickly, anyone have a favorite? send that to webmaster@svlug.org). But I also have clients to work for and 3 other groups I do web work for, soooo... "the web person" isn't going to be able to divine exactly what is needed to unbreak it all that quickly. I could knock it off the front entirely :( > Also is their anyhope that http://www.svlug.org work again? We (the officers of SVLUG) don't know. It's a big fat DNS bug. It *appears* that it is slowly working its way toward being fixed, but the failures are at spaces outside of our control. Thank NSI for their stupid behavior regarding maintaining databases. > The club has probably lost contact with a number of people with the site > "down". the club is shown in other sites links. If you know other sites with this problem, advise officers@svlug.org ONLY and one of us can contact them to have them update their link to http://svlug.org instead. Or, you can send that to their webmasters/web teams, and cc our officers, so that we know they've been contacted. And ... because this is surely making many of you think "Gosh, do we need someone else for the web team, I could lend a hand..." I need to make it pretty clear: I need people who have *both hands* to lend. If you can only make a spot appearance sometimes, I can't easily coordinate the web team activities by handing you something, and telling you specifically to be in charge of maintaining that part in an ongoing fashion. I also need people who are capable of telling me how much time they have to give to us, and are able to tell us when they need one of the rest of us to cover for them. It's volunteer work, but I need people who take the "work" part of that phrase seriously. If I haven't scared you off yet :> and you are *actually* in the Silicon Valley area, send me your contact details privately and we can discuss what part you can serve in the web team. Finally and not at all least: Thanks for your QA efforts, Larry. I owe you a drink sometime. > Larry Platzek larryp@inow.com -* Heather Stern * star@starshine.org * SVLUG Web Coordinator *- From star at starshine.org Sun Jan 21 14:11:40 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:17 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [web-team] In-Reply-To: <20010120145043.E888@gandalf.linux.conf.au> from Marc MERLIN at "Jan 20, 2001 02:50:43 pm" Message-ID: <200101212211.OAA01202@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > [Added Cc web-team] > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:52:07AM -0800, Lei, Winston wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 09:45:47AM -0800, Lei, Winston wrote: > > > I apologize for not being too active here on the web thing. I'm having > > > huge problem with my DSL provider and I'm out of Internet service for > > > more than two months. My work no longer allows other web traffic other > > > than HTTP > > > > This is starting to become a problem, Heather can't handle it all. Do you > > think you can join in or should we ask for new volunteers? > > > > ##### Wouldn't this be that the more we have the better? :-) . Yeah... I > > Actually, it turned out that no, at some point we had 10+ people on the web > team list and only Heather was really doing anything. > The other problem is that last time I asked for volunteers, a couple of > ladies (twins?) offered help, but someone who had worked with them walked up > to me later and told me in private that they had created much problems in > other groups and that they didn't play well with others at all, the last > thing we need, so if I make another call, they'll probably offer their help > again and wonder why we're not taking it... As you've probably already seen, I had to reply more cogently to Larry's complaint letter, since he pubbed it pretty much everywhere. I need people who are going to be able to take on a specific task and serve it loyally, including to SAY SO when they can't serve (whether it's a cold, a conference, or whatever). > Since you've just become operational, I'd rather see how it goes now and > make another call if you guys tell me you could use more help. I need someone to take on the CGI/cronjob duty. I could use someone to take on keeping the resource-linkfarm refreshed. I seem to be okay on keeping the meetings up-to-date. I still get notes two days after a meeting from people who prefer instant gratification. Goes with the job. The installfest guy has been too busy with work to keep the 'fest notes tweaked, but I've been catching them as I can, and have now got them a little ahead except for standard maintenance on directions to get there. So a sidekick who maintains the 'fest notes might be handy. It's on my list to craft a new Lists Policies page, but I'm not done with it yet, and I'm certainly not posting it incomplete, because if I update it and I'm too far wrong, I'll get shot at even more. I do not want any "general helpers" anymore, as I agree with Marc, it leads to them being on the list and never really helping. > > just got my DSL working two days ago and was busy downloading stuff from the > > web so I can make up for the loss time. I was just thinking today or > > Great. > > > tomorrow to send in some questions on web-team list. I don't have access to > > Yep, please do. I look forward to your note, Winston. > > some of the information and I'm not sure how you want to handle all those > > information updates since they are very well out of date now. I also hate to > > I don't know too much about the whole infrastructure, which is why I try to > avoid touching the whole thing unless I have too (or unless I get directions > from Heather), but she'll be able to help you. I'll be glad to explain the structure as I know it, while we're discussing which part of it you want to take on. I will continue to hold the "catchall" and "answer the whiners in email" roles while coordinating what you can do. > > see so many mails for webmaster account too.. The right timing. I am going > > Yep, actually just answering the Emails saying that you're looking at all > this would already be a good thing. I'm sorry, are there any mails going to webmaster@ that I'm not seeing? and if not, is this a bug in the list setup that Michael should be fixing for us? > > I logged in and changed my password and stuff like that and mess around a > > bit but where is the root of the website SVLUG is on? We will start the > > project to updates. YES... I'm in. I don't want you doing it alone any more than I want to have to do it alone. We need to coordinate. Thus my actual title: "Web Coordinator" > I think it's in /home/httpd/htdocs or something like that. > > Good luck, and TIA > Marc Thanks, Marc. -* Heather Stern * Web Coordinator, SVLUG *- From ray at comarre.com Sun Jan 21 14:45:34 2001 From: ray at comarre.com (Ray Olszewski) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [svlug] Re: [web-team] installfest TODAY?????? + C.O.L.A problem Message-ID: <2.2.32.20010121224534.00a0d084@[192.168.1.23]> Heather -- I'm replying privately because I infer from your use of the Reply-to header that you prefer private replies. If I am mistaken, please feel free to respond on the list, posting my comments here as part of your message. Having done the sloggy month-to-month work of keeping things running in the past (for other organizations, not SVLUG), I am sympathetic to your frustration with both doing the work and recruiting others to do it regularly. But there is still a problem: if SVLUG can't support the Web site as designed, then it needs to be simplified to a version that can be supported. Not doing things because an organization lacks resources is understandable. Doing them badly, then getting grumpy and defensive when people point out the problems, is perhaps understandable too, but much less attractive. Problems with the Website affect newcomers more than old hands. Telling *me* to use "cal" is both unnecessary and unhelpful. But providing beginners with a clear schedule, or other clear information in lieu of a schedule, is considerably more important. Same with the regular meetings. Not having a "next meeting" entry on the Website is an understandable limitation of the size of the support team. Having an outdated listing, as has happened all too often over the past year, is sloppy. A different maintenance example is the link farm. I just tried most of the links there and found: Bleeding Edge Magazine -- does not resolve Linux Documentation Project Home Page -- points to sunsite, which redirects to metalab, which redirects to linuxdoc. Newbie's Linux Manual by Laurence Hunter -- redirects to "www.thebits.co.uk", which in turn returns "no data". Linux/UNIX Independent Group for Usability Information -- goes to a site whose home page opens with "The LUIGUI project has been reluctantly terminated, and this site is no longer being maintained." Linux for the Newbie -- goes to a page that reads: "I've no clue how this got listed as pigradio.com. Please go to http://www.pigradio.com". The referenced site does not appear to be a Linux site, for newbies or anyone else. LinuxHQ -- does not resolve comp.os.linux.announce web-based newsgroup from Zippo or feedME -- neither Zippo nor feedME resolves "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" -- 404s Red Hat Linux User's FAQ (mirror sites: Maryland, Texas, Netherlands) -- the MD and TX mirrors both 404 Linux Hardware Certification Laboratory -- does not resolve Linux International -- does not resolve Linux Journal and their Linux News and Linux Gazette -- does 3 redirects (SVLUG hosts an LG mirror site.) -- 404s Installfest.com - hosted by SVLUG -- redirects to http://www.thunder.net/, which says nothing about InstallFests Linux Networking Project -- 404s GNU-Win32 Project -- does 2 redirects fbcon - Linux Frame Buffer Console driver project -- 404s Linux Security Home Page -- redirects to a page that opens with: "Anyone know what I should do with this webpage? Kinda at a loss to something with this. Most of the stuff here is out of date." Linux Privs -- 404s Linux/SGI project -- 404s Linux Advocacy mini-HOWTO -- does 2 redirects Linuxmanship -- 404s Linux Employment at LinuxResources (SSC) -- links to Linux Journal, but not to a jobs page there Jobs listings at Silicon Valley area Linux companies VA Linux Systems (Sunnyvale) -- 404s LinuxCare (San Francisco) -- 404s Cobalt Networks (Mountain View) -- 404s [I skipped testing "Major Linux Distributions"] [I skipped testing Hardware Vendors] Just Computers! (Rohnert Park) -- the Linux entry there consists of this text: "If you are looking for linux products, try http://www.cheapbytes.com for good values." [I skipped the last 2 sections.] The pattern is clear enough. It suggests that this directory was created but not maintained. SVLUG would be better off (in my opinion) without a "Link Farm" page than with the one it has. Really, I think what happened here is that back when the Web site was redesigned, there was a bunch of enthusiastic people working on the redesign and implementation. So right at first, it looked good. But designing an Web site, and implementing a new one, is more fun than doing the dull work of maintenance. So as people left to pursue other interests, they were not replaced, and so the workload came to exceed the work time available. While I understand that resources are limited, I think that the resources that the Web team does have would be best used in scaling the site back to a scope that can be maintained with the resources SVLUG has to apply to the job. You suggested at several points in your response that you could eliminate something more easily than fix it. I guess I'm saying that is actually a good idea and encouraging you to act on it. At 12:45 PM 1/21/01 -0800, Heather wrote: >This message addresses a number of issues, so In Advance :) sorry it's >so long ... > >For sanity's sake, the Reply-To field has been set to webmaster@svlug.org. > >> Is the INSTALLFEST on for today???? http://svlug.org still is for >> December? > >Yes. For absolutely everybody's knowledge: > > The Installfest is on the Third Saturday EVERY SINGLE MONTH. > > But, I can't win, because if I only say *that*, then a lot more > of you whine at me that you want the date, presumably because > you can't be convinced to run 'cal' on your own and look. > >I did update the web thing to say "It's today" -- and now that it's >yesterday :) the front page item is updated for February. And March. >And April. Get over it :> > >btw, I am *not* the installfest coordinator, so if some disaster actually >struck and it *wasn't* going to be on, I would *hope* that it would go out >on the announce list. But it might not come from me, and then I would have >to scramble to change the listing. In theory the installfest coordinator >would update the installfest indicators. In practice, I do. Okay? > >> Is their any hope of the C.O.L.A. links on front page ever working again? >> The links have been broken & reported to the then acting web person >> MOST OF YEAR 2000. > >It isn't supposed to be "the web person". The webteam is a handful of people. >We all have lives and work in the Valley. > >What that means that we don't always have the ability to give the svlug web >instant response. (boy, there's an understatement.) The address >webmaster@svlug.org goes to a handful of people, including our sysadmin for >the box, and some officers who aren't normally web folks, but want to know >if we need something important. > >One of us had been owning CGI/cronjob issues. But, it's very understandable >that her life got full... > > I don't want anybody whining further about that. Her baby is a > beautiful child. Some things are more important than bits. > >... and meanwhile, (yeah it's been a long while, but it was still "meanwhile" >for us) C.O.L.A. changed their format, so webfetch (as we have it setup) isn't >handling it right. > >I can probably quickly change it so that it gets no hotlinks to anything, >and maybe change it so the header is hot to a C.O.L.A archive (if I can >find one quickly, anyone have a favorite? send that to webmaster@svlug.org). >But I also have clients to work for and 3 other groups I do web work for, >soooo... > >"the web person" isn't going to be able to divine exactly what is needed >to unbreak it all that quickly. > >I could knock it off the front entirely :( > >> Also is their anyhope that http://www.svlug.org work again? > >We (the officers of SVLUG) don't know. > >It's a big fat DNS bug. It *appears* that it is slowly working its way >toward being fixed, but the failures are at spaces outside of our control. >Thank NSI for their stupid behavior regarding maintaining databases. > >> The club has probably lost contact with a number of people with the site >> "down". the club is shown in other sites links. > >If you know other sites with this problem, advise officers@svlug.org ONLY >and one of us can contact them to have them update their link to >http://svlug.org instead. Or, you can send that to their webmasters/web teams, >and cc our officers, so that we know they've been contacted. > >And ... because this is surely making many of you think "Gosh, do we need >someone else for the web team, I could lend a hand..." I need to make it >pretty clear: > I need people who have *both hands* to lend. > >If you can only make a spot appearance sometimes, I can't easily coordinate >the web team activities by handing you something, and telling you specifically >to be in charge of maintaining that part in an ongoing fashion. I also need >people who are capable of telling me how much time they have to give to us, >and are able to tell us when they need one of the rest of us to cover for >them. It's volunteer work, but I need people who take the "work" part of that >phrase seriously. > >If I haven't scared you off yet :> and you are *actually* in the Silicon >Valley area, send me your contact details privately and we can discuss what >part you can serve in the web team. > >Finally and not at all least: > Thanks for your QA efforts, Larry. I owe you a drink sometime. > >> Larry Platzek larryp@inow.com > >-* Heather Stern * star@starshine.org * SVLUG Web Coordinator *- > >_______________________________________________ >svlug mailing list >svlug@lists.svlug.org >http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/svlug > > -- ------------------------------------"Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski -- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA ray@comarre.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- From Winston.Lei at US.jdsuniphase.com Mon Jan 22 11:00:29 2001 From: Winston.Lei at US.jdsuniphase.com (Lei, Winston) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web page editing job... Message-ID: Actually, it turned out that no, at some point we had 10+ people on the web team list and only Heather was really doing anything. ##### Okay.. May be not. ###### The other problem is that last time I asked for volunteers, a couple of ladies (twins?) offered help, but someone who had worked with them walked up to me later and told me in private that they had created much problems in other groups and that they didn't play well with others at all, the last thing we need, so if I make another call, they'll probably offer their help again and wonder why we're not taking it... ###### Yeah... I was also afraid that day too. I told them that I wanted also to volunteer and they asked me how many websites I maintain and I said a few they said "Well we maintain at least 5 so we are more qualified and I was like >>> OoooKkkkIiiiiEeeeee...>>> Since you've just become operational, I'd rather see how it goes now and make another call if you guys tell me you could use more help. ###### Okay again. I logged in over this weekend and found that I can't edit pages. I was trying to edit index.shtml page, was just saw Heather changed pages in Installfest and was thinking to make it reflect to the next month now than later. ###### I think it's in /home/httpd/htdocs or something like that. ###### Found that on the SVLUG page. Thanks anyway. ####### Yes. I've recently updated the meeting's own page so it has our data for the next few months. ###### Yeah I saw that. Listed on the next three months. Way to go. :-) ####### I need someone to take on the CGI/cronjob duty. I could use someone to take on keeping the resource-linkfarm refreshed. ###### CGI is not my expertise. I will take that Resource-link farm job. :-) ####### I'll be glad to explain the structure as I know it, while we're discussing which part of it you want to take on. I will continue to hold the "catchall" and "answer the whiners in email" roles while coordinating what you can do. ###### I will also try to help a hand on answering them but I just don't want to crash them with something that I don't really know the answer to. What I just need to know is what pages are to do what and stuff like that. I will learn how the pages are structured but to make an urgent fix, I can't give time to wondering around. So please *DO* tell me to take specific job and I will start from it. When I get familiar with things, then we will take on non-important ones such as updating job policies. How's that? ###### I don't want you doing it alone any more than I want to have to do it alone. We need to coordinate. Thus my actual title: "Web Coordinator" ##### Yes. Understood. I will send out mail to you when I need specific questions from you. ####### So some changes/questions to Marc especially. 1. Please have my e mail corresponding address changes. The current mail is coming to my Business address, which I gave it to you.. I know, and I don't have access to it at the weekends which I will mainly use for SVLUG editing. 2. Is I'm unable to edit pages due to that I'm not under "webslave" group? I'm not so sure. 3. My future address should all be changed to " compunuts@telocity.com " which is my DSL addy that have 24/7 link and I have remote access. 4. I will take the job of hunting down the links for resource-link farm. If you guys want something else for me to be doing, please feel free to let me know. Thanks Marc and Heather. Winston. compunuts@telocity.com From marc_news at valinux.com Mon Jan 22 11:07:32 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web page editing job... In-Reply-To: ; from Winston.Lei@US.jdsuniphase.com on Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 11:00:29AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20010122110732.O5360@marc.merlins.org> On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 11:00:29AM -0800, Lei, Winston wrote: > ###### Okay again. I logged in over this weekend and found that I can't edit > pages. I was trying to edit index.shtml page, was just saw Heather changed > pages in Installfest and was thinking to make it reflect to the next month > now than later. ###### Yep, you needed to be in the webslave group, fixed. > 1. Please have my e mail corresponding address changes. The current mail is > coming to my Business address, which I gave it to you.. I know, and I don't > have access to it at the weekends which I will mainly use for SVLUG editing. Fixed. > 2. Is I'm unable to edit pages due to that I'm not under "webslave" group? > I'm not so sure. Fixed. > 3. My future address should all be changed to " compunuts@telocity.com " > which is my DSL addy that have 24/7 link and I have remote access. Done > 4. I will take the job of hunting down the links for resource-link farm. If > you guys want something else for me to be doing, please feel free to let me > know. Thanks Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at starshine.org Mon Jan 22 15:34:51 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web page editing job... In-Reply-To: from "Lei, Winston" at "Jan 22, 2001 11:00:29 am" Message-ID: <200101222334.PAA03971@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > Actually, it turned out that no, at some point we had 10+ people on the web > team list and only Heather was really doing anything. > > ##### Okay.. May be not. ###### > The other problem is that last time I asked for volunteers, a couple of > ladies (twins?) offered help, but someone who had worked with them walked up > to me later and told me in private that they had created much problems in > other groups and that they didn't play well with others at all, the last > thing we need, so if I make another call, they'll probably offer their help > again and wonder why we're not taking it... > > ###### Yeah... I was also afraid that day too. I told them that I wanted > also to volunteer and they asked me how many websites I maintain and I said > a few they said "Well we maintain at least 5 so we are more qualified and I > was like >>> OoooKkkkIiiiiEeeeee...>>> Thanks Marc for not allowing them through, I would not have had to like to work with a pair that I'd have to one-up with The Answer Gang and Network Associates old internal site. > Since you've just become operational, I'd rather see how it goes now and > make another call if you guys tell me you could use more help. In my last slice of mail, I specified some major categories in which I can use a sidekick. > ###### Okay again. I logged in over this weekend and found that I can't edit > pages. I was trying to edit index.shtml page, was just saw Heather changed > pages in Installfest and was thinking to make it reflect to the next month > now than later. ###### > > I think it's in /home/httpd/htdocs or something like that. 1) your userid has to be in the webslave group to access the area. 2) all of our stuff is under RCS control. The idea is that it can't be edited without checking it out. We have a cronjob that whines loudly if it isn't checked back in, too. 3) I haven't changed the template file index.shtml in a long time. a) Edits for the right side are the effect of new events from svlug-news.txt and its matching cronjob. b) Edits for the left side are by editing events.html (note, *not* shtml) instead. [MOST COMMON EDIT!] c) The bottom / news from elsewhere are the effect of webfetch runs. > ###### Found that on the SVLUG page. Thanks anyway. ####### > > Yes. I've recently updated the meeting's own page so it has our data for > the > next few months. > > ###### Yeah I saw that. Listed on the next three months. Way to go. :-) > ####### > > I need someone to take on the CGI/cronjob duty. > I could use someone to take on keeping the resource-linkfarm refreshed. > > ###### CGI is not my expertise. I will take that Resource-link farm job. :-) > ####### (getting out the knighting sword) Done! First thing, could you do a traversal in the linkfarm area, and advise which links are dead/relo'd ? Next, for relo's that fall off, see if they're findable again quickly, or should we just chop them out? > I'll be glad to explain the structure as I know it, while we're discussing > which part of it you want to take on. I will continue to hold the > "catchall" > and "answer the whiners in email" roles while coordinating what you can do. > > ###### I will also try to help a hand on answering them but I just don't > want to crash them with something that I don't really know the answer to. No, it's okay. If you think you have part of the answer to someone, you can tell the webteam without copying them, and I can check it if you're unsure. > What I just need to know is what pages are to do what and stuff like that. I > will learn how the pages are structured but to make an urgent fix, I can't > give time to wondering around. So please *DO* tell me to take specific job > and I will start from it. When I get familiar with things, then we will take > on non-important ones such as updating job policies. How's that? ###### Sounds fine. I'll move toward you getting enough access, then give the LInk Farm page over to your control so it can be thoroughly cleaned up. Hopefully the template portion is clear so you know what to avoid breaking, but if not, I can make some HTML comments in it before handing it over. > I don't want you doing it alone any more than I want to have to do it alone. > We need to coordinate. Thus my actual title: "Web Coordinator" > > ##### Yes. Understood. I will send out mail to you when I need specific > questions from you. ####### > > So some changes/questions to Marc especially. > > 1. Please have my e mail corresponding address changes. The current mail is > coming to my Business address, which I gave it to you.. I know, and I don't > have access to it at the weekends which I will mainly use for SVLUG editing. > > 2. Is I'm unable to edit pages due to that I'm not under "webslave" group? > I'm not so sure. We need to check that part, but you also need to use RCS properly. > 3. My future address should all be changed to " compunuts@telocity.com " > which is my DSL addy that have 24/7 link and I have remote access. > > 4. I will take the job of hunting down the links for resource-link farm. If > you guys want something else for me to be doing, please feel free to let me > know. > > Thanks Marc and Heather. > > Winston. > compunuts@telocity.com Thanks Winston, and welcome aboard the SVLUG Webteam 2.1. . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 Web Coordinator SVLUG; Webmaster BALUG; BayLISA Board/online committee... From star at starshine.org Mon Jan 22 15:41:01 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Web page editing job... In-Reply-To: <20010122110732.O5360@marc.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jan 22, 2001 11:07:32 am" Message-ID: <200101222341.PAA03980@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > Yep, you needed to be in the webslave group, fixed. > > > 1. Please have my e mail corresponding address changes. > Fixed. > > > 4. I will take the job of hunting down the links for resource-link farm. If > > you guys want something else for me to be doing, please feel free to let me > > know. > > Thanks > Marc Thanks bunches Marc. Winston: login and then... cd /home/httpd/html co -l farm.shtml vi farm.shtml ci -u farm.shtml ...of course you can use your favorite editor, if it's on the box, or copy in a file which you have edited elsewhere, etc. But it's really important that when you ci (checkin) that you use the -u (update) option because otherwise the page will disappear, and folks will be told it was stolen by the nazi frogmen. We like the nazi frogmen, sometimes they even give stuff back :) Let me know if the farm.shtml document has anything confusing in it. . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 From star at starshine.org Tue Jan 23 00:07:23 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [svlug] Re: [web-team] installfest TODAY?????? + C.O.L.A problem In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20010121224534.00a0d084@[192.168.1.23]> from Ray Olszewski at "Jan 21, 2001 02:45:34 pm" Message-ID: <200101230807.AAA04999@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > Heather -- > > I'm replying privately because I infer from your use of the Reply-to header > that you prefer private replies. If I am mistaken, please feel free to > respond on the list, posting my comments here as part of your message. The entire web team sees webmaster@svlug.org as far as I know. > Having done the sloggy month-to-month work of keeping things running in the > past (for other organizations, not SVLUG), I am sympathetic to your > frustration with both doing the work and recruiting others to do it > regularly. > > But there is still a problem: if SVLUG can't support the Web site as > designed, then it needs to be simplified to a version that can be supported. > Not doing things because an organization lacks resources is understandable. > Doing them badly, then getting grumpy and defensive when people point out > the problems, is perhaps understandable too, but much less attractive. When our team stays coordinated, it works fine. In the last few months a couple of very productive members had to leave the team. I don't fault them. What made me most grumpy is the ... "bitchy" quality of some mails that get sent to the webmaster crew. People assume that we are able to teleport in at any given moment. We're not. In fact, a couple of us are presently kept busy trying to track down that stupid DNS problem. > Problems with the Website affect newcomers more than old hands. Telling *me* > to use "cal" is both unnecessary and unhelpful. But providing beginners with > a clear schedule, or other clear information in lieu of a schedule, is > considerably more important. You'll note that the website does not say "Installfests are on Third Saturdays. Go use a calendar to figure out when that is." The...quality... of some of the mails clearly indicate that some people think it's their given privilege to never have to look at a normal calendar however, and they were the target of that particular comment. > Same with the regular meetings. Not having a "next meeting" entry on the > Website is an understandable limitation of the size of the support team. > Having an outdated listing, as has happened all too often over the past > year, is sloppy. If you feel like placing blame, you can lay it at the feet of the now-past Speaker Coordinator, who wasn't being very coordinated, because he was being overloaded and trying to juggle it all anyway. I rarely wanted to put in data that was more likely to be wrong rather than merely stale. In fact we had a location fiasco a while back and "jumping the gun" with the location data was why it didn't come out correct! Lots of people got lost! I know what price I'm paying when the meeting link is a little stale. I try to keep it within the month. We have designees to keep it zapped when we're certain. btw, thank you for sending me this note, as it's helping me formulate some new FAQs. > A different maintenance example is the link farm. I just tried most of the > links there and found: It so happens that someone "willing to provide both hands" has already agreed to take over direct maintenance of the Link Farm. I will forward your findings to him, in case our efforts to add him to the webteam haven't been speedy enough today that he's seeing this message already. > Bleeding Edge Magazine -- does not resolve > Linux Documentation Project Home Page -- points to sunsite, which > redirects to metalab, which redirects to linuxdoc. > Newbie's Linux Manual by Laurence Hunter -- redirects to > "www.thebits.co.uk", which in turn returns "no data". > Linux/UNIX Independent Group for Usability Information -- goes > to a site whose home page opens with "The LUIGUI project > has been reluctantly terminated, and this site is no > longer being maintained." > Linux for the Newbie -- goes to a page that reads: "I've no clue > how this got listed as pigradio.com. Please go to > http://www.pigradio.com". The referenced site does not > appear to be a Linux site, for newbies or anyone else. > LinuxHQ -- does not resolve > comp.os.linux.announce web-based newsgroup from Zippo > or feedME -- neither Zippo nor feedME resolves > "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" -- 404s > Red Hat Linux User's FAQ (mirror sites: Maryland, Texas, > Netherlands) -- the MD and TX mirrors both 404 > Linux Hardware Certification Laboratory -- does not resolve > Linux International -- does not resolve > Linux Journal and their Linux News and Linux Gazette > -- does 3 redirects > (SVLUG hosts an LG mirror site.) -- 404s > Installfest.com - hosted by SVLUG -- redirects to > http://www.thunder.net/, which says nothing about > InstallFests > Linux Networking Project -- 404s > GNU-Win32 Project -- does 2 redirects > fbcon - Linux Frame Buffer Console driver project -- 404s > Linux Security Home Page -- redirects to a page that opens > with: "Anyone know what I should do with this > webpage? Kinda at a loss to something with this. > Most of the stuff here is out of date." > Linux Privs -- 404s > Linux/SGI project -- 404s > Linux Advocacy mini-HOWTO -- does 2 redirects > Linuxmanship -- 404s > Linux Employment at LinuxResources (SSC) -- links to Linux > Journal, but not to a jobs page there > Jobs listings at Silicon Valley area Linux companies > VA Linux Systems (Sunnyvale) -- 404s > LinuxCare (San Francisco) -- 404s > Cobalt Networks (Mountain View) -- 404s > [I skipped testing "Major Linux Distributions"] > [I skipped testing Hardware Vendors] > Just Computers! (Rohnert Park) -- the Linux entry there consists > of this text: "If you are looking for linux products, > try http://www.cheapbytes.com for good values." > [I skipped the last 2 sections.] > > The pattern is clear enough. It suggests that this directory was created but > not maintained. SVLUG would be better off (in my opinion) without a "Link > Farm" page than with the one it has. Soon to be fixed. > Really, I think what happened here is that back when the Web site was > redesigned, there was a bunch of enthusiastic people working on the redesign > and implementation. So right at first, it looked good. But designing an Web > site, and implementing a new one, is more fun than doing the dull work of > maintenance. So as people left to pursue other interests, they were not > replaced, and so the workload came to exceed the work time available. With this you are not quite correct about why it fell down. It's true that some webteam "members" may have not served well enough because it wasn't sufficiently fun. But that's not why we're short handed this month. It's because of the folk who take this work seriously and their pay for it in Respect, two of them found themselves with a higher priority. Filling a couple of extra pair of shoes on my own temporarily (that being my job, IMHO, to keep my other volunteers from floundering) while finding new hands who can *and will* do as much work as they did, has been... substandard. You can think of it as "changing of the guard" if you like, as there's been a similar cohesive improvement among the core officers recently, in time with the (SVLUG) presidency changeover. > While I understand that resources are limited, I think that the resources > that the Web team does have would be best used in scaling the site back to a > scope that can be maintained with the resources SVLUG has to apply to the > job. You suggested at several points in your response that you could > eliminate something more easily than fix it. I guess I'm saying that is > actually a good idea and encouraging you to act on it. I will probably truncate the misbehaving webfetch feature for COLA until I or a new cgi-designee can fix it. However, we will not be reducing the design of the site. It may sound stupid, but it would be like implying that the group suddenly shrank to a size that would once more fit comfortably in Carl's Jr. That's not the case by any stretch of the imagination. We will be increasing the size of the web team to once more maintain it properly. My long message has served its purpose, in that regards, as we have had at least one serious worker step forward. I hope you'll soon be enjoying a link farm with a few less cobwebs :) Thanks for your thoughts. * Heather Stern * Web Coordinator * on behalf of web-team@svlug.org * From star at starshine.org Tue Jan 23 00:15:38 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] linkfarm kickstart (was, to webmaster from an SVLUG list member) Message-ID: <200101230816.AAA05135@betelgeuse.starshine.org> To reduce Mr. Olszewski's issues down to the useful bits ... :) Anyways, he didn't actually continue through the whole link farm, which might have been useful, but, it's a start. -* Heather Stern * your Web Coordinator *- ----- Forwarded message from Ray Olszewski ----- To: webmaster@svlug.org From: Ray Olszewski Heather -- [ if SVLUG can't support its website it should reduce it until it can. A few megapulses of how not-fun it is to do real work, deleted. ] A different maintenance example is the link farm. I just tried most of the links there and found: Bleeding Edge Magazine -- does not resolve Linux Documentation Project Home Page -- points to sunsite, which redirects to metalab, which redirects to linuxdoc. Newbie's Linux Manual by Laurence Hunter -- redirects to "www.thebits.co.uk", which in turn returns "no data". Linux/UNIX Independent Group for Usability Information -- goes to a site whose home page opens with "The LUIGUI project has been reluctantly terminated, and this site is no longer being maintained." Linux for the Newbie -- goes to a page that reads: "I've no clue how this got listed as pigradio.com. Please go to http://www.pigradio.com". The referenced site does not appear to be a Linux site, for newbies or anyone else. LinuxHQ -- does not resolve comp.os.linux.announce web-based newsgroup from Zippo or feedME -- neither Zippo nor feedME resolves "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" -- 404s Red Hat Linux User's FAQ (mirror sites: Maryland, Texas, Netherlands) -- the MD and TX mirrors both 404 Linux Hardware Certification Laboratory -- does not resolve Linux International -- does not resolve Linux Journal and their Linux News and Linux Gazette -- does 3 redirects (SVLUG hosts an LG mirror site.) -- 404s Installfest.com - hosted by SVLUG -- redirects to http://www.thunder.net/, which says nothing about InstallFests Linux Networking Project -- 404s GNU-Win32 Project -- does 2 redirects fbcon - Linux Frame Buffer Console driver project -- 404s Linux Security Home Page -- redirects to a page that opens with: "Anyone know what I should do with this webpage? Kinda at a loss to something with this. Most of the stuff here is out of date." Linux Privs -- 404s Linux/SGI project -- 404s Linux Advocacy mini-HOWTO -- does 2 redirects Linuxmanship -- 404s Linux Employment at LinuxResources (SSC) -- links to Linux Journal, but not to a jobs page there Jobs listings at Silicon Valley area Linux companies VA Linux Systems (Sunnyvale) -- 404s LinuxCare (San Francisco) -- 404s Cobalt Networks (Mountain View) -- 404s [I skipped testing "Major Linux Distributions"] [I skipped testing Hardware Vendors] Just Computers! (Rohnert Park) -- the Linux entry there consists of this text: "If you are looking for linux products, try http://www.cheapbytes.com for good values." [I skipped the last 2 sections.] The pattern is clear enough. It suggests that this directory was created but not maintained. SVLUG would be better off (in my opinion) without a "Link Farm" page than with the one it has. [ bla bla not fun enough bla bla ginger bla blah. ] At 12:45 PM 1/21/01 -0800, Heather wrote: [ my original message to SVLUG et.al. replying to Larry, quoted in total, deleted. If for some reason anybody *didn't* see it and wants a copy, er, it's yours for the asking, everyone else has seen it :> ] From compunuts at telocity.com Tue Jan 23 00:28:25 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (compunuts) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] linkfarm kickstart (was, to webmaster from an SVLUG list member) References: <200101230816.AAA05135@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <003e01c08516$74845c20$cd08c240@win2kpro> Thanks for the mail. I'm currently working at this hour trying to track down the broken links and which it might gone. :-). I've also sent mails to whom I can find and asked him/here where the pages were gone. Hopefully I can come up with something. Winston. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather" To: "Winston Lei" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 12:15 AM Subject: [web-team] linkfarm kickstart (was, to webmaster from an SVLUG list member) > To reduce Mr. Olszewski's issues down to the useful bits ... :) > Anyways, he didn't actually continue through the whole link farm, which > might have been useful, but, it's a start. > > -* Heather Stern * your Web Coordinator *- > > ----- Forwarded message from Ray Olszewski ----- > To: webmaster@svlug.org > From: Ray Olszewski > > Heather -- > > [ if SVLUG can't support its website it should reduce it until it can. > A few megapulses of how not-fun it is to do real work, deleted. ] > > A different maintenance example is the link farm. I just tried most of the > links there and found: > > Bleeding Edge Magazine -- does not resolve > Linux Documentation Project Home Page -- points to sunsite, which > redirects to metalab, which redirects to linuxdoc. > Newbie's Linux Manual by Laurence Hunter -- redirects to > "www.thebits.co.uk", which in turn returns "no data". > Linux/UNIX Independent Group for Usability Information -- goes > to a site whose home page opens with "The LUIGUI project > has been reluctantly terminated, and this site is no > longer being maintained." > Linux for the Newbie -- goes to a page that reads: "I've no clue > how this got listed as pigradio.com. Please go to > http://www.pigradio.com". The referenced site does not > appear to be a Linux site, for newbies or anyone else. > LinuxHQ -- does not resolve > comp.os.linux.announce web-based newsgroup from Zippo > or feedME -- neither Zippo nor feedME resolves > "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" -- 404s > Red Hat Linux User's FAQ (mirror sites: Maryland, Texas, > Netherlands) -- the MD and TX mirrors both 404 > Linux Hardware Certification Laboratory -- does not resolve > Linux International -- does not resolve > Linux Journal and their Linux News and Linux Gazette > -- does 3 redirects > (SVLUG hosts an LG mirror site.) -- 404s > Installfest.com - hosted by SVLUG -- redirects to > http://www.thunder.net/, which says nothing about > InstallFests > Linux Networking Project -- 404s > GNU-Win32 Project -- does 2 redirects > fbcon - Linux Frame Buffer Console driver project -- 404s > Linux Security Home Page -- redirects to a page that opens > with: "Anyone know what I should do with this > webpage? Kinda at a loss to something with this. > Most of the stuff here is out of date." > Linux Privs -- 404s > Linux/SGI project -- 404s > Linux Advocacy mini-HOWTO -- does 2 redirects > Linuxmanship -- 404s > Linux Employment at LinuxResources (SSC) -- links to Linux > Journal, but not to a jobs page there > Jobs listings at Silicon Valley area Linux companies > VA Linux Systems (Sunnyvale) -- 404s > LinuxCare (San Francisco) -- 404s > Cobalt Networks (Mountain View) -- 404s > [I skipped testing "Major Linux Distributions"] > [I skipped testing Hardware Vendors] > Just Computers! (Rohnert Park) -- the Linux entry there consists > of this text: "If you are looking for linux products, > try http://www.cheapbytes.com for good values." > [I skipped the last 2 sections.] > > The pattern is clear enough. It suggests that this directory was created but > not maintained. SVLUG would be better off (in my opinion) without a "Link > Farm" page than with the one it has. > > [ bla bla not fun enough bla bla ginger bla blah. ] > > At 12:45 PM 1/21/01 -0800, Heather wrote: > [ my original message to SVLUG et.al. replying to Larry, quoted in total, > deleted. If for some reason anybody *didn't* see it and wants a copy, > er, it's yours for the asking, everyone else has seen it :> ] > > _______________________________________________ > web-team mailing list > web-team@lists.svlug.org > http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/web-team > From compunuts at telocity.com Tue Jan 23 00:36:49 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (compunuts) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] Webfarm link References: <200101230807.AAA04999@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <004401c08517$a0db1bf0$cd08c240@win2kpro> > > The pattern is clear enough. It suggests that this directory was created but > > not maintained. SVLUG would be better off (in my opinion) without a "Link > > Farm" page than with the one it has. > > Soon to be fixed. ##### By this regards, did we take that link down from the site? I tried on the index page "LINKS" and it resolve to no page. If we intentionally take it down and will re-implement when it's done, it's okay... I was just curious. :-) My first mission on this will be to keep up to date for the links we have. Delete which ever we no longer have the links to. Add some more links when it's appropriate. Winston. From compunuts at telocity.com Tue Jan 23 01:15:43 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (compunuts) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] farm.shtml condition report. References: <200101222334.PAA03971@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <005101c0851d$1077b400$cd08c240@win2kpro> > First thing, could you do a traversal in the linkfarm area, and advise > which links are dead/relo'd ? Here is my report. What you guys want me to do? Thanks. 1. Bleeding Edge Magazine. http://www.gcs.bc.ca/bleedingedge/ The page do not resolve to anything. I tried to search with Google and Yahoo. Both came back empty handed. I followed some links too but prove unfruitful. So Delete from page? The magazine looks like it got discontinued. Should I ask in mailing list for the link to this? 2. Newbie's Linux Manual by Laurence Hunter The current link, http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~thebits/manual/ , resolve. And it has the message saying it's moved. But the new link, http://www.thebits.co.uk/ , space has the blank page. I sent an e mail to webmaster I found from 404 page. 3. Linux Documentation Project Home Page -- points to sunsite, which redirects to metalab, which redirects to linuxdoc. The link was updated. 4. Linux/UNIX Independent Group for Usability Information -- goes to a site whose home page opens with "The LUIGUI project has been reluctantly terminated, and this site is no longer being maintained." Yes. It's very well true but we should keep the link, IMHO. The said that "We will be leaving the site up for those of you who may benefit from the resources or may be interested in developing similar projects." and I think we should keep the page. 5. Linux for the Newbie -- goes to a page that reads: "I've no clue how this got listed as pigradio.com. Please go to http://www.pigradio.com". The referenced site does not appear to be a Linux site, for newbies or anyone else. This prove to be somewhat untrue. He said that he no longer have the server to run on it since his server died. So we will delete from the page. Agree? 6. LinuxHQ -- does not resolve It DOES resolve. So we will leave it alone. 7. comp.os.linux.announce web-based newsgroup from Zippo or feedME -- neither Zippo nor feedME resolves Updated those with the one from University of Helsinki- CS department one. Ahh.... Enough for today. :-). I will follow up tomorrow with the rest .The following errors are still unchecked yet. > "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" -- 404s > Red Hat Linux User's FAQ (mirror sites: Maryland, Texas, > Netherlands) -- the MD and TX mirrors both 404 > Linux Hardware Certification Laboratory -- does not resolve > Linux International -- does not resolve > Linux Journal and their Linux News and Linux Gazette > -- does 3 redirects > (SVLUG hosts an LG mirror site.) -- 404s > Installfest.com - hosted by SVLUG -- redirects to > http://www.thunder.net/, which says nothing about > InstallFests > Linux Networking Project -- 404s > GNU-Win32 Project -- does 2 redirects > fbcon - Linux Frame Buffer Console driver project -- 404s > Linux Security Home Page -- redirects to a page that opens > with: "Anyone know what I should do with this > webpage? Kinda at a loss to something with this. > Most of the stuff here is out of date." > Linux Privs -- 404s > Linux/SGI project -- 404s > Linux Advocacy mini-HOWTO -- does 2 redirects > Linuxmanship -- 404s > Linux Employment at LinuxResources (SSC) -- links to Linux > Journal, but not to a jobs page there > Jobs listings at Silicon Valley area Linux companies > VA Linux Systems (Sunnyvale) -- 404s > LinuxCare (San Francisco) -- 404s > Cobalt Networks (Mountain View) -- 404s > [I skipped testing "Major Linux Distributions"] > [I skipped testing Hardware Vendors] > Just Computers! (Rohnert Park) -- the Linux entry there consists > of this text: "If you are looking for linux products, > try http://www.cheapbytes.com for good values." > [I skipped the last 2 sections.] From star at starshine.org Tue Jan 23 01:30:37 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Webfarm link In-Reply-To: <004401c08517$a0db1bf0$cd08c240@win2kpro> from compunuts at "Jan 23, 2001 00:36:49 am" Message-ID: <200101230930.BAA05393@betelgeuse.starshine.org> [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > > The pattern is clear enough. It suggests that this directory was > > > created but not maintained. SVLUG would be better off (in my opinion) > > > without a "Link Farm" page than with the one it has. > > > > Soon to be fixed. > > ##### By this regards, did we take that link down from the site? I tried on > the index page "LINKS" and it resolve to no page. If we intentionally take > it down and will re-implement when it's done, it's okay... I was just > curious. :-) When we check the linkfarm page in without a -u switch, it stays hidden and the Frogmen have it. Right now, the Frogmen are very busy chasing lost links around with an alien shepherd crook. It can stand to stay kidnapped for a day or two. > My first mission on this will be to keep up to date for the links we have. > > Delete which ever we no longer have the links to. > > Add some more links when it's appropriate. > > Winston. Thanks bunches! * Heather Stern * Web Coordinator From star at starshine.org Tue Jan 23 01:58:30 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] farm.shtml condition report. In-Reply-To: <005101c0851d$1077b400$cd08c240@win2kpro> from compunuts at "Jan 23, 2001 01:15:43 am" Message-ID: <200101230958.BAA05436@betelgeuse.starshine.org> [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > First thing, could you do a traversal in the linkfarm area, and advise > > which links are dead/relo'd ? > > Here is my report. What you guys want me to do? Thanks. > > 1. Bleeding Edge Magazine. http://www.gcs.bc.ca/bleedingedge/ > The page do not resolve to anything. I tried to search with Google and > Yahoo. Both came back empty handed. I followed some links too but prove > unfruitful. So Delete from page? The magazine looks like it got > discontinued. Should I ask in mailing list for the link to this? Toss it. > 2. Newbie's Linux Manual by Laurence Hunter > The current link, http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~thebits/manual/ , > resolve. And it has the message saying it's moved. But the new link, > http://www.thebits.co.uk/ , space has the blank page. I sent an e mail to > webmaster I found from 404 page. stub it. comment it out but put the new URL in. If they reply fixed, uncomment it. Otherwise we can toss it out next month. > 3. Linux Documentation Project Home Page -- points to sunsite, which > redirects to metalab, which redirects to linuxdoc. > > The link was updated. :) > 4. Linux/UNIX Independent Group for Usability Information -- goes > to a site whose home page opens with "The LUIGUI project > has been reluctantly terminated, and this site is no > longer being maintained." > > Yes. It's very well true but we should keep the link, IMHO. The said that > "We will be leaving the site up for those of you who may benefit from the > resources or may be interested in developing similar projects." and I think > we should keep the page. Probably, if we have room we should mirror the content, on the expecatation that someday "unmaintained" will include throwing out the domain name. A policy decision I think I should involve the Officers as a whole in, tho. Go ahead and stay pointing at it. Outside the link put (unmaintained) so anyone else who feels nervous about losing content off the net can snag it. > 5. Linux for the Newbie -- goes to a page that reads: "I've no clue > how this got listed as pigradio.com. Please go to > http://www.pigradio.com". The referenced site does not > appear to be a Linux site, for newbies or anyone else. > > This prove to be somewhat untrue. He said that he no longer have the server > to run on it since his server died. So we will delete from the page. Agree? Yes, delete. > 6. LinuxHQ -- does not resolve > > It DOES resolve. So we will leave it alone. I know when it was new it was a touchy site, a dif't question is how up to date it stays. But while it's still good at all let's keep it. > 7. comp.os.linux.announce web-based newsgroup from Zippo > or feedME -- neither Zippo nor feedME resolves Sadly, ZIPPO moved to a paid-only service, and then later, the Zippo Lighter people bought the domain and shut the service down entirely. > Updated those with the one from University of Helsinki- CS department one. excellent. To help you out, for links to newsgroups, let's gather those into one section and use comp.os.linux.announce affectionately known as C.O.L.A. ...style links. For links to lists, if it has a canonical home archive on the web, let's point there; if it has a canonical "about this list/joining" page let's point there too. Might be worth mentioning type of list (majordomo, listserv, etc) to aid experienced folks. Anything that is stale but you think you might retrieve, feel free to leave in but commented out. You can either use SGML style comments, or, what I like to do with links-in-progress: Linux Newbies Guide ...then it is easy to change the word "stub" to "href" quickly. And anyone who reads the source ought to be able to figure out that it's "stubbed" :) > Ahh.... Enough for today. :-). I will follow up tomorrow with the rest When you are done with your changes please ci -u them so the page reappears. > .The following errors are still unchecked yet. :) that's okay. It's a long road, if you can only nail 3 or 4 a day, we should still have it clean within a month or two. We shouldn't have the page down for that long, but, I have a nice "spider doing construction" icon we can use if we feel like. I'm thinking something on the order of the top having the shiny new links which you've checked, and all the links below the warning sign being as they were, so you can go at the pace that your free time allows. > > "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" -- 404s EST has moved to tuxedo.org/~esr and you can probably find it from there. > > Red Hat Linux User's FAQ (mirror sites: Maryland, Texas, > > Netherlands) -- the MD and TX mirrors both 404 > > Linux Hardware Certification Laboratory -- does not resolve > > Linux International -- does not resolve li.org ? > > Linux Journal and their Linux News and Linux Gazette > > -- does 3 redirects Linux Gazette canonical is now: http://www.linuxgazette.com/ Not sure about the other two, but LJ is easily found. > > (SVLUG hosts an LG mirror site.) -- 404s keeping it up to date is a job for the missing cronjob coordinator. drop the mirror reference, unless Ben Spade's personal mirror is up to date, in which case change to "an SVLUG member hosts a mirror site." May be wise to ask him first. > > Installfest.com - hosted by SVLUG -- redirects to > > http://www.thunder.net/, which says nothing about > > InstallFests SGML-comment this out for the moment, I can check on this one in human space next month. > > Linux Networking Project -- 404s > > GNU-Win32 Project -- does 2 redirects > > fbcon - Linux Frame Buffer Console driver project -- 404s > > Linux Security Home Page -- redirects to a page that opens > > with: "Anyone know what I should do with this > > webpage? Kinda at a loss to something with this. > > Most of the stuff here is out of date." Tempted to leave that one as it is. Out of date info means he may be one of the few sites still keeping track of what was wrong with the really old distros. > > Linux Privs -- 404s > > Linux/SGI project -- 404s Now hosted at sgi itself. Follow MIPS howto from linuxdoc to get there. > > Linux Advocacy mini-HOWTO -- does 2 redirects > > Linuxmanship -- 404s > > Linux Employment at LinuxResources (SSC) -- links to Linux > > Journal, but not to a jobs page there > > Jobs listings at Silicon Valley area Linux companies > > VA Linux Systems (Sunnyvale) -- 404s > > LinuxCare (San Francisco) -- 404s > > Cobalt Networks (Mountain View) -- 404s Toss the "job listings in area" resources from here. I'll be updating the Lists Policies, and will use correct links to some job listings as a way to hold off the teeming recruiter/recruit-me types. When done, I can add "jobs listings" as a single item in the Linkfarm. > > [I skipped testing "Major Linux Distributions"] Shouldn't be too hard. might be wroth noting that LWN (www.lwn.net) does a decent job of listing a zillion minor ones too. So you don't have to go after any little ones if you don't feel like chasing them. > > [I skipped testing Hardware Vendors] Needs doing tho. Tempted to restrict these two to ones who have an office or homesite in the Silicon Valley area. > > Just Computers! (Rohnert Park) -- the Linux entry there consists > > of this text: "If you are looking for linux products, > > try http://www.cheapbytes.com for good values." delete. It's a resource site not an ads bin. > > [I skipped the last 2 sections.] We'll get there eventually ! * Heather Stern * Web Coordinator From compunuts at telocity.com Tue Jan 30 00:57:38 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (compunuts) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] farm.shtml condition report. References: <200101230958.BAA05436@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <003201c08a9a$b25bef20$0100a8c0@win2kpro> A quick note to all the web team members.. All the links in Linux News and About Linux sections are up to date now. All the links are tested and OK as of I checkd a few minutes ago. Secondly, all the links from the first page is broken to other subsequent pages due to the DNS problem with www and without WWW. Do you guys know of where those buttons are located? It's in index.shtml? Thanks. I'd like to fix that first to be able to get to farm page and others. Winston. From star at starshine.org Tue Jan 30 11:36:47 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] farm.shtml condition report. In-Reply-To: <003201c08a9a$b25bef20$0100a8c0@win2kpro> from compunuts at "Jan 30, 2001 00:57:38 am" Message-ID: <200101301936.LAA25637@betelgeuse.starshine.org> [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > A quick note to all the web team members.. All the links in Linux News and > About Linux sections are up to date now. All the links are tested and OK as > of I checkd a few minutes ago. yaaaaaaay ! > Secondly, all the links from the first page is broken to other subsequent > pages due to the DNS problem with www and without WWW. Do you guys know of > where those buttons are located? It's in index.shtml? Thanks. I'd like to > fix that first to be able to get to farm page and others. > > Winston. Since you are already at the correct site when you get here at all, all references in (anything).html or .shtml to the href "www.svlug.org" should be changed... not to "svlug.org" ... but to a relative link. per 'grep' a handful of pages are affected. start with index, meetings, installfest/wrkshop, then get them as time allows. I see strong evidence that for us, the "correct behavior" is spreading through the net. (direct mails from folks saying they couldn't see it, now they can) Possibly for our amusement and misery-loves-company, Microsoft's little outage had the same cause, at one level less remove (therefore immediate and far ranging) ... Network solutions, core of the problem. Thanks . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 From compunuts at telocity.com Tue Jan 30 23:51:15 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (compunuts) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] farm.shtml condition report. References: <200101301936.LAA25637@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <002b01c08b5a$96edfab0$0100a8c0@win2kpro> > Since you are already at the correct site when you get here at all, #### No No. I had to manually put in the address as http://svlug.org/farm.shtml rather than going into http://svlug.org and then clicking on the button for "Links". So the person can visit the main page but nothing else if he/she is not aware of the problem of that DNS thingie. ##### From rdorado at synopsys.COM Wed Jan 31 11:17:02 2001 From: rdorado at synopsys.COM (Raphael Dorado) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: <3A7864AE.EF2178FD@synopsys.com> The host name 'www.svlug.org' can not be resolved by DNS, only 'svlug.org' works, but some links are hardcoded to 'www.svlug.org' name. --Raf From star at starshine.org Wed Jan 31 12:18:53 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] farm.shtml condition report. In-Reply-To: <002b01c08b5a$96edfab0$0100a8c0@win2kpro> from compunuts at "Jan 30, 2001 11:51:15 pm" Message-ID: <200101312019.MAA31562@betelgeuse.starshine.org> [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > Since you are already at the correct site when you get here at all, > > #### No No. I had to manually put in the address as > http://svlug.org/farm.shtml rather than going into http://svlug.org and then > clicking on the button for "Links". So the person can visit the main page > but nothing else if he/she is not aware of the problem of that DNS thingie. > ##### No. If you are going to change it, you must change it to relative links. If he is truly not aware of the DNS thingie, he was not having problems with the absolute links as they were. So as to not waste any further time yada-yada'ing about it, I've done this to the index page, and to the directions page for the usual building 9. The change will cause a few caches here and there to whine, but more people will be able to reach the further pages, so it's worthwhile ONCE. Different absolute links are a waste of effort and will simply break a different set of people. Call if you insist on discussing this further before midday tomorrow. You will be interrupting my Gazette work. # = 408 374 7623. Or page 800 938 4078 and punch in your area code, number, then #. btw There is a broken link in the farm which is both absolute in this sense, and simply wrong. Ben maintains his LG mirror at his own home site, which hasn't been at svlug.org for awhile now. You should point to his general linux area, http://www.spade.com/linux/ . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 From marc_news at valinux.com Wed Jan 31 14:31:00 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:18 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <3A7864AE.EF2178FD@synopsys.com>; from rdorado@synopsys.COM on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 11:17:02AM -0800 References: <3A7864AE.EF2178FD@synopsys.com> Message-ID: <20010131143100.D24356@marc.merlins.org> On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 11:17:02AM -0800, Raphael Dorado wrote: > > The host name 'www.svlug.org' can not be resolved by DNS, > only 'svlug.org' works, but some links are hardcoded to > 'www.svlug.org' name. http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/svlug/2001-January/006479.html Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at starshine.org Wed Jan 31 15:31:27 2001 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <20010131143100.D24356@marc.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Jan 31, 2001 02:31:00 pm" Message-ID: <200101312333.PAA32145@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 11:17:02AM -0800, Raphael Dorado wrote: > > > > The host name 'www.svlug.org' can not be resolved by DNS, > > only 'svlug.org' works, but some links are hardcoded to > > 'www.svlug.org' name. > > http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/svlug/2001-January/006479.html > > Marc The DNS problem is related to a bad record deep in the heart of Network Solutions. It doesn't affect everyone but it's *really* annoying. Links are in the process of being fixed to relative mode anyway, it's a better way. The front page should at least be useable as http://svlug.org. Heather Stern -*- email address - star at: starshine.org --- Starshine Technical Services -*- Sysadmin Support & Training Silicon Valley Linux Users Group -*- Web Coordinator From compunuts at telocity.com Wed Jan 31 19:19:50 2001 From: compunuts at telocity.com (compunuts@telocity.com) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:19 2005 Subject: [web-team] farm.shtml condition report. Message-ID: <20010201031950.18179.cpmta@c007.snv.cp.net> I've done this > to the index page, and to the directions page for the usual building 9. The > change will cause a few caches here and there to whine, but more people will > be able to reach the further pages, so it's worthwhile ONCE. ### Thanks. ### > Call if you insist on discussing this further before midday tomorrow. You > will be interrupting my Gazette work. ### Nah.... What Raphael Dorado talking about was the same as I was talking about and since you have fixed it I don't think there needs to be any more questions. And also I really don't like to bother while you are working. :-) ### > btw There is a broken link in the farm which is both absolute in this sense, > and simply wrong. Ben maintains his LG mirror at his own home site, which > hasn't been at svlug.org for awhile now. You should point to his general > linux area, http://www.spade.com/linux/ ### Yes. I will look into it and take care of it. I was doing some link research so I haven't been able to update any links in the farm since two days ago. ###