From compunuts at telocity.com  Sat Feb  3 02:03:39 2001
From: compunuts at telocity.com (compunuts)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] farm.shtml Update Status
References: <200101230958.BAA05436@betelgeuse.starshine.org>
Message-ID: <001801c08dc8$952e29a0$0100a8c0@win2kpro>

> Installfest.com - hosted by  SVLUG -- redirects to
> http://www.thunder.net/, which says nothing about
> InstallFests
>
> SGML-comment this out for the moment, I can check on this one in human
> space next month.

<Winston> Done !! </Winston>
>
> Toss the "job listings in area" resources from here.  I'll be updating
> the Lists Policies, and will use correct links to some job listings as a
> way to hold off the teeming recruiter/recruit-me types.  When done, I
> can add "jobs listings" as a single item in the Linkfarm.

<Winston> I forgot your comment and did it without double checking it so
I've updated the links and stuff. I shall take them out at the next updating
time if you want me to remove those job listing. Since they are up to date,
keep for while while we discuss this with Officers. </Winston>

> Shouldn't be too hard. might be wroth noting that LWN (www.lwn.net)
> does a decent job of listing a zillion minor ones too.

<Winston> Done !! </Winston>


 > Needs doing tho.

<Winston> Done !! </Winston>


> Just Computers! (Rohnert Park) -- the Linux entry there consists
> of this text: "If you are looking for linux products,
> try http://www.cheapbytes.com for good values."
>
> delete.  It's a resource site not an ads bin.

<Winston> Done !! </Winston>

> btw There is a broken link in the farm which is both absolute in this
sense,
> and simply wrong.  Ben maintains his LG mirror at his own home site, which
> hasn't been at svlug.org for awhile now.  You should point to his general
> linux area, http://www.spade.com/linux/

<Winston> Done !! It said to be Frogman owns it so I was going to try
updating the page and thought it's the problem with SVC stuff. Anyway.. most
of the links are updated in link farm up until sub-title "Info about
starting a Linux User Group" in "Other Local Group" area. So I only have may
be a page worth of links to check out of 7 pages of links. Hey.. we are
getting there. If you find any links broken, please let me know too since my
eyes are getting blur. I checked as much as I could though. It will be the
next update time which likely to happen over this weekend or the beginning
of next week. Cheers !!!!!</Winston>



From marc_news at valinux.com  Sun Feb  4 15:17:25 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] Re: [svlug] www.svlug.org is fixed.
Message-ID: <20010204151725.B4568@marc.merlins.org>

Raphael,

I don't know, maybe our web team had a little fun :-)

You should ask the web team (who I cced here)

----- Forwarded message from Rafael <raffi@linwin.com> -----

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:33:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Rafael <raffi@linwin.com>
To: Marc MERLIN <marc_news@valinux.com>
Subject: Re: [svlug] www.svlug.org is fixed.

Marc,

what's going on with this site?

http://www.svlug.org/404handler.shtml

"The web page you've tried to access has been kidnapped by Nazi Frogmen,
forced to talk and gone on a whirlwind worldwide gastronomic tour to
Publicize it's book, "Where I went wrong" co-authored with another page.
Either way...it's not here, and that may be a good thing. Why don't you
visit the Silicon Valley Linux User Group's home page or something. It's
probably a lot more fun than the page you were looking for in the first
place. It's more fun than a lot of things including but not restricted to:

                                  A punch in the mouth. 
                                  A bag of ants. 
                                  A special 14 hour showing of the
director's cut of
                                  Ghandi. 
                                  Rubber crutches, which are just plain  cruel. 
                                  Exploding Chickens. 
                                  AM Radio personalities. 
                                  Radio personalities in general. 
                                  Robert Bork. 
                                  An evening watching Intel MMX
commercials with that funky dance music. "

I tried link from the main page to comp.os.linux
WWW: Everything Linux Updates "Using a PalmPilot Under Linux...

Is that normal?


   O__  ---- Rafael Skodlar
  c/ /'_ --- Linux Imagineer since 1994
 (*) \(*) -- There is a tunnel at the end of light.

----- End forwarded message -----

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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From star at starshine.org  Mon Feb  5 11:27:59 2001
From: star at starshine.org (Heather)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] farm.shtml Update Status
In-Reply-To: <001801c08dc8$952e29a0$0100a8c0@win2kpro> from compunuts at "Feb
 3, 2001 02:03:39 am"
Message-ID: <200102051928.LAA12943@betelgeuse.starshine.org>

> <Winston> Done !! It said to be Frogman owns it so I was going to try
> updating the page and thought it's the problem with SVC stuff. Anyway.. most
> of the links are updated in link farm up until sub-title "Info about
> starting a Linux User Group" in "Other Local Group" area. So I only have may
> be a page worth of links to check out of 7 pages of links. Hey.. we are
> getting there. If you find any links broken, please let me know too since my
> eyes are getting blur. I checked as much as I could though. It will be the
> next update time which likely to happen over this weekend or the beginning
> of next week. Cheers !!!!!</Winston>

You can make lynx try to give you a report - which won't mention redirects
or arrivals at now fairly useless pages, but ought to be a good start.

On your *own* system in some directory that you just made so you can easily
delete the resulting cruft: lynx --traversal http://svlug.org/farm.shtml

If any are truly dead it should be reported in the errors log that results.
You'll also end up with some copies of html files, with crazy numbered names.

Thanks bunches for all the hard work!

* Heather * Web Coordinator, SVLUG


From star at starshine.org  Mon Feb  5 11:55:49 2001
From: star at starshine.org (Heather)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] Re: [svlug] www.svlug.org is fixed.
In-Reply-To: <20010204151725.B4568@marc.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Feb
 4, 2001 03:17:25 pm"
Message-ID: <200102051955.LAA13008@betelgeuse.starshine.org>

> Raphael,

The comp.os.linux link broke awhile back. 
The nature of the breakage is, these links are actually at the site
in helsinki, but webfetch chopped them off.  We need to either have the
fetch sequence also fetch these announcements (so that we have them locally)
or, we need to fix the commands given to webfetch so the origin site is
left in.  

We've been busy cleaning up other areas and not managed this yet.  I'd do
it readily myself but, I have no idea where webfetch gets its instructions 
from, and haven't had time to chase it down :(
 
> I don't know, maybe our web team had a little fun :-)
> You should ask the web team (who I cced here)
 
The 404 handler is, indeed, deliberately silly.

I have added a note to the front page warning people that the c.o.l.a
references should be to helsinki.  Better than nada.

* Heather Stern * Web Coordinator, SVLUG 


From raffi at linwin.com  Mon Feb  5 15:10:28 2001
From: raffi at linwin.com (Rafael)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] Re: [svlug] www.svlug.org is fixed.
In-Reply-To: <200102051955.LAA13008@betelgeuse.starshine.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102051509210.2123-100000@ns.linwin.com>

Heather,

OK, that's fine. I was afraid that somebody out of the group did it.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Heather wrote:

> > Raphael,
> 
> The comp.os.linux link broke awhile back. 
> The nature of the breakage is, these links are actually at the site
> in helsinki, but webfetch chopped them off.  We need to either have the
> fetch sequence also fetch these announcements (so that we have them locally)
> or, we need to fix the commands given to webfetch so the origin site is
> left in.  

Thanks,

   O__  ---- Rafael Skodlar
  c/ /'_ --- Linux Imagineer since 1994
 (*) \(*) -- There is a tunnel at the end of light.



From margaret.lamont at perseusbooks.com  Tue Feb 13 05:59:04 2001
From: margaret.lamont at perseusbooks.com (Lamont, Margaret)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] Rebel Code
Message-ID: <516CD5A8C7F0D21192C00008C7337D154652F8@PBUS_MA01.perseusbooks.com>

To Whom It May Concern:

Hi, I wondered if you'd like to look over a copy of a new book on Linux and
open source that has just been published by Perseus Publishing, "Rebel Code:
Inside Linux and the Open Source Revolution."  The author, Glyn Moody, who
has covered Linux and open source almost since its inception, follows the
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work of a number of the programmers and hackers who have been key figures in
the development of Linux and other open source programs.  It has already
gotten a number of significant reviews from Michael Tiemann (Red Hat), Eric
Raymond (President, Open Source Initiative, and author of "The Cathedral and
the Bazaar"), Theodore Ts'o (Principal Engineer, VA Linux Systems), and
others.  We're interested to know what other Linux users think of it.  If
you are interested in receiving a complimentary copy, please send me your
address, and I'll have the book sent you.  You can get a hold of me at this
e-mail address or by calling 617-252-5211 for questions, comments, and
anything else.

Thanks.

Best regards,

Margaret Lamont
Marketing Associate
Perseus Publishing



From marc at merlins.org  Thu Feb 15 16:43:21 2001
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines
Message-ID: <20010215164321.B16826@magic.merlins.org>

Hi Winston,

I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the web page
we want to have on list policies
http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav

Basically, it boils down to:
the list link on the main page should point to a page that explains:
- how to subscribe/unsubscribe from a mailman list even if you lost your
  password
- What the policy on job postings is
- Little tidbits like one should not Cc a posting to several lists (unless
  there is a reply-to that points away from the svlug list)
- You need to be a member of the list before posting questions

There is an old jobs page and probably an old guidelines page too someone on
disk.
Don't hesitate  to ask  questions if  you need more  info while  putting the
pages together.

Thanks,
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key


From ikluft at thunder.sbay.org  Fri Feb 16 23:13:00 2001
From: ikluft at thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] Re: SVLUG directions
Message-ID: <m14U1YC-0008XdC@thunder.sbay.org>

I'm glad you like the SVLUG directions page.  With the effort it took to
put it together and maintain it over the past 3 years, it is good to hear
once in a while from people who like it.

Sorry that you didn't find it before your 30-minute search.  It really
was intended to prevent such problems.

I'll forward this to the SVLUG webmasters so they'll see your feedback
about the Dec 2000 meeting missing from the prevmeet.shtml page.

Forwarded message:
>To: ikluft@thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft)
>Cc: dc@panix.com
>Subject: Re: TazEast LRT: did the live-wire test go?
>From: dc@panix.com (David W. Crawford)
>Date: 17 Feb 2001 00:07:08 -0500
>
>I spent about 30 minutes while wandering up and down Tasman looking 
>for the Dec(?). 2000 SVLUG meeting (topic: embedded systems and demo of 
>palm/handspring like linux machine -- not listed on 
>http://www.svlug.org/prevmeet.shtml )
>
>Cisco could do with an illuminated "09" by the sidewalk in front
>of building 09.
>
>Anyway, I was about to send you these links which I since found:
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/687/Directory/hqmaps.html
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/687/Directory/campus.html
>
>but I now see the a splendid list of transportation alternatives 
>posted on the svlug page.
>
>Great !
>
>David W. Crawford    <dc@panix.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>ikluft@thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft) writes:
>...
>> Based on what he said, I wouldn't expect much more night testing, unless
>> they need to re-do part of the initial live-wire test, until they start
>> simulating/practicing 24-hour service in early May.  But I'll start listing
>> in directions to meetings (such as SVLUG's) that for their own safety,
>> people need to treat the rail line as active now and watch for trolleys.
>


-- 
Ian Kluft  KO6YQ   PP-ASEL                              sbay.org coordinator
ikluft(at)thunder.sbay.org   http://www.kluft.com/~ikluft/      San Jose, CA
       "Carelessness and overconfidence are usually more dangerous
       than deliberately accepted risks."   -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From star at starshine.org  Tue Feb 20 11:13:36 2001
From: star at starshine.org (Heather)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines
In-Reply-To: <20010215164321.B16826@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Feb
 15, 2001 04:43:21 pm"
Message-ID: <200102201913.LAA03319@betelgeuse.starshine.org>

> Hi Winston,
> 
> I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the web page
> we want to have on list policies
> http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav
> 
> Basically, it boils down to:
> the list link on the main page should point to a page that explains:
> - how to subscribe/unsubscribe from a mailman list even if you lost your
>   password

Being utterly, insanely stupidly unfamiliar with mailman, I don't know this
answer.  We need to ask Michael if nobody else knows... or I'll have to hit
the search engines, and then someone should test it.

> - What the policy on job postings is

ok

> - Little tidbits like one should not Cc a posting to several lists (unless
>   there is a reply-to that points away from the svlug list)

and various other psuedo-obvious netiquette points.  e.g sigs.

> - You need to be a member of the list before posting questions
> 
> There is an old jobs page and probably an old guidelines page too someone on
> disk.

yes.  In addition I have an archive of the really old site version.

> Don't hesitate  to ask  questions if  you need more  info while  putting the
> pages together.
> 
> Thanks,
> Marc

Thanks, Marc!

* Heather * Web Content Coordinator


From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Feb 20 12:10:21 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines
In-Reply-To: <200102201913.LAA03319@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@starshine.org on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:13:36AM -0800
References: <20010215164321.B16826@magic.merlins.org> <200102201913.LAA03319@betelgeuse.starshine.org>
Message-ID: <20010220121021.R28949@magic.merlins.org>

On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:13:36AM -0800, Heather wrote:
> > Hi Winston,
> > 
> > I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the web page
> > we want to have on list policies
> > http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav
> > 
> > Basically, it boils down to:
> > the list link on the main page should point to a page that explains:
> > - how to subscribe/unsubscribe from a mailman list even if you lost your
> >   password
> 
> Being utterly, insanely stupidly unfamiliar with mailman, I don't know this
> answer.  We need to ask Michael if nobody else knows... or I'll have to hit
> the search engines, and then someone should test it.

No we  don't Michael and  I have  already each spent  the time to  post here
detailed instructions. One set is in the  selected archive I gave in the URL
above

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key


From star at starshine.org  Wed Feb 21 15:29:11 2001
From: star at starshine.org (Heather)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines
In-Reply-To: <20010220121021.R28949@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Feb
 20, 2001 12:10:21 pm"
Message-ID: <200102212329.PAA07652@betelgeuse.starshine.org>

> On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:13:36AM -0800, Heather wrote:
> > > Hi Winston,
> > > 
> > > I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the web page
> > > we want to have on list policies
> > > http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav
> > > 
> > > Basically, it boils down to:
> > > the list link on the main page should point to a page that explains:
> > > - how to subscribe/unsubscribe from a mailman list even if you lost your
> > >   password
> > 
> > Being utterly, insanely stupidly unfamiliar with mailman, I don't know this
> > answer.  We need to ask Michael if nobody else knows... or I'll have to hit
> > the search engines, and then someone should test it.
> 
> No we  don't Michael and  I have  already each spent  the time to  post here
> detailed instructions. One set is in the  selected archive I gave in the URL
> above
> 
> Marc

Ah!  okay, thanks.  (I am quite the packrat, but I don't always recall where
I put everything.)

* Heather 


From compunuts at telocity.com  Wed Feb 21 18:47:28 2001
From: compunuts at telocity.com (compunuts@telocity.com)
Date: Sat Apr  2 14:56:19 2005
Subject: [web-team] list of mailing list guidelines
Message-ID: <20010222024728.28285.cpmta@c007.snv.cp.net>

I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the web page we want to have on list policies http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav

<Winston> I’ve studied current pages that links from the main page and list pages as well. It’s certainly easy to understand and straight forward. On the list pages, lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/svlug and lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/svlug-announce, both have direction on how to subscribe, unsubscribe and recover lost passwords. It’s fairly easy, to me at least, to follow. BUT if you want us to create a how-to page or FAQ page for navigation with mailing lists, we can certainly do that. I’ve also remember you mentioned that we used to have a page for that. What I will do is that I will poke around in svlug machine and see whether I can make the wild-guess and retrieve the old page and modified it. If not, I will write from scratch after testing with the mailing list. </Winston>


the list link on the main page should point to a page that explains:

<Winston> We will leave the link page alone but will modify it somewhat so that people will find the FAQ or HOW-TO easily from that page.  </Winston>


how to subscribe/unsubscribe from a mailman list even if you lost your password

<Winston> Yes. We will include some undocumented features that I found on the mail archive. :-). Gosh.. it was ten pages. heheh   </Winston>


On Wed, 21 February 2001, Heather wrote:

> 
> > On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:13:36AM -0800, Heather wrote:
> > > > Hi Winston,
> > > > 
> > > > I promised you a list of messages about the needs we have about the web page
> > > > we want to have on list policies
> > > > http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/web/sav
> > > > 
> > > > Basically, it boils down to:
> > > > the list link on the main page should point to a page that explains:
> > > > - how to subscribe/unsubscribe from a mailman list even if you lost your
> > > >   password
> > > 
> > > Being utterly, insanely stupidly unfamiliar with mailman, I don't know this
> > > answer.  We need to ask Michael if nobody else knows... or I'll have to hit
> > > the search engines, and then someone should test it.
> > 
> > No we  don't Michael and  I have  already each spent  the time to  post here
> > detailed instructions. One set is in the  selected archive I gave in the URL
> > above
> > 
> > Marc
> 
> Ah!  okay, thanks.  (I am quite the packrat, but I don't always recall where
> I put everything.)
> 
> * Heather