From marc at merlins.org Mon Dec 3 10:49:01 2001 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] Fw: The SVLUG meeting dates... Message-ID: <20011203104832.B16487@magic.merlins.org> The web page needs to be updated ASAP to point to building J for wednesday ----- Forwarded message from Tracy V ----- From: "Tracy V" To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [Officers] Fw: The SVLUG meeting dates... X-Original-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:49:22 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:49:22 -0800 I will need the 1st wednesday of the month in either Building J or 9: 2001: These are the rooms that you are in on the dates you have requested... I was able to get you what you did not have...If there is anything else I can help you with please let me know.... Thanks, Linda September 5th, 2001-Building 9 October 3rd, 2001-Building 9 November 7th, 2001-Building J Decmeber 5th, 2001-Building J 2002: All of 2002 dates are in Building 9 January 2nd, 2002- February 6th, 2002 March 6th, 2002 April 3rd, 2002 May 1st, 2002 June 5th, 2002 July 3rd, 2002 August 7th, 2002 September 4th, 2002 October 2nd, 2002 November 6th, 2002 December 4th, 2002 Please let me know which cannot be accomadated. Thanks! tracyv -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Security 7.0.3 iQA/AwUBPAppn7eZEpEREUvFEQJsJQCg8WMk7FCJsfGcwNysvc4kddb8F2sAnjZu yVxhRf4fyOHo1/+NXx4ZdxEY =G1vI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From svlug at tgeller.com Mon Dec 3 15:34:03 2001 From: svlug at tgeller.com (Tom Geller) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] Web team: Update the site!!! Message-ID: I notice that there's nothing about the December meeting on the site. Hello? I thought this was out weeks ago. Info follows. --Tom ---begin--- We're pleased to announce the next meeting of SVLUG, this coming Wednesday. IMPORTANT: NOTE THE LOCATION CHANGE! This will be in Building *J*. Directions are at WHEN: Wednesday, 5 December 2001, 7pm-9pm or so. WHO: Michael Ang Itinerant Hacker Building Applications with Mozilla and XPCOM http://www.mozilla.org ABOUT: The output of the Mozilla project is not just a browser; it's also a complete, cross-platform application framework. At the core of this framework is XUL, a user interface description language that allows UI described in XML to be combined with application logic coded in JavaScript. Complex applications can be built using JavaScript together with scriptable XPCOM components that provide access to such tasks as network communications, file I/O and manipulating cookies. This talk will provide an overview of how to write a complete application inside Mozilla, with particular focus on how to create reusable XPCOM components. MORE ABOUT THE SPEAKER: Michael Ang is a former Netscape software developer who first started working on the "Mozilla Classic" code base in 1998. While at Netscape he worked on the JavaScript interpreter, the XPIDL compiler and XPConnect. His activities since then include kernel/device driver hacking for the PA-RISC Linux port and continued involvement with Mozilla. WHERE: Cisco Building J. The land of LETTERS. Directions on how to get there are listed at: http://www.svlug.org/directions/cisco-j.shtml We've tried our very best for these directions to be accurate. If you have any improvements to make, please let our Web Team know! web-team@svlug.org We look forward to seeing you there! ---end--- -- Tom Geller * San Francisco * tgeller.com Outgoing Speaker Coordinator (term ends 5 December 2001), Silicon Valley Linux Users Group (svlug.org) Current: tgeller.com, spamcon.org, bandwidthpr.com SpamCon Foundation Member, #1: Verify at http://www.spamcon.org From Celso.Frazao at netapp.com Tue Dec 4 17:38:02 2001 From: Celso.Frazao at netapp.com (Frazao, Celso) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] where is tomorrow's SVLUG meeting Message-ID: <6440EA1A6AA1D5118C6900902745938E45C83A@black.eng.netapp.com> I'm new to SVLUG. Is there a regular meeting place? The website doesn't say... (not prominently, anyway). Thanks, Celso Frazao From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Dec 4 21:38:02 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] where is tomorrow's SVLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <6440EA1A6AA1D5118C6900902745938E45C83A@black.eng.netapp.com>; from Celso.Frazao@netapp.com on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 01:49:28PM -0800 References: <6440EA1A6AA1D5118C6900902745938E45C83A@black.eng.netapp.com> Message-ID: <20011204213734.H14649@magic.merlins.org> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 01:49:28PM -0800, Frazao, Celso wrote: > I'm new to SVLUG. Is there a regular meeting place? The website doesn't say... (not prominently, anyway). Sorry, the web team is apparently MIA :-( It's building J. I've updated the web pages for them. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From marc at merlins.org Thu Dec 6 13:45:02 2001 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Urgent! web page is still not up to date In-Reply-To: <200112062138.fB6Lc8814973@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 01:38:08PM -0800 References: <20011204211553.F14649@magic.merlins.org> <200112062138.fB6Lc8814973@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20011206134234.F22187@magic.merlins.org> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 01:38:08PM -0800, Heather wrote: > > Err, Tom Emailed you the speaker info several times, I also Emailed web-team > > asking to change the directions to point to building 9. > > > > It's tomorrow, nothing has been changed yet... > > > > Marc > > PLEASE NOTE that I stated explicitly that I would be out of town Dec 1 > to Dec 7 inclusive. I seemed to remember something about that, but couldn't find any record of your mail in the archives. > ...and that I expected not to be able to touch the website, so if y'all > wanted anything special, to state it BEFORE LAST FRIDAY. Tom sent the information way before last friday. > I briefly got to glance at it last night and it was no prize, but I guess > Winston managed to update it, or you did. Connection here makes molasses Winston's mail is bouncing and/or he isn't reading/answering. I made the change when I realized that no one was reading web-team anymore and that the page still had no mention of the december meeting. I wasn't able to see Winston, but I guess we need to get other people for the web team, because I can't just be you, you have the right to be offline from time to time... Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Thu Dec 6 17:33:01 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Urgent! web page is still not up to date In-Reply-To: <20011206134234.F22187@magic.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Dec 6, 2001 01:42:34 pm" Message-ID: <200112070132.fB71WOH15534@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > I seemed to remember something about that, but couldn't find any record of > your mail in the archives. Hmm, I thought I cc'd web team too. OTOH I've been seeing more unsubs there, I think. > > ...and that I expected not to be able to touch the website, so if y'all > > wanted anything special, to state it BEFORE LAST FRIDAY. > > Tom sent the information way before last friday. About the room number? The speaker's name has been up for awhile. Unless we somehow got 'em out of sync again. As soon as I hit home 'net Friday night I'll make the January tweaks and sync 'em up. > > I briefly got to glance at it last night and it was no prize, but I guess > > Winston managed to update it, or you did. Connection here makes molasses > > Winston's mail is bouncing and/or he isn't reading/answering. > > I made the change when I realized that no one was reading web-team anymore > and that the page still had no mention of the december meeting. > > I wasn't able to see Winston, but I guess we need to get other people for > the web team, because I can't just be you, you have the right to be offline > from time to time... :) thanks > Marc Yes. I recommend Margaret Wendall as an active soul, regular to both meets and 'fests, and has offered the help before. Unless there are any specific objections. It'd be good to ask her, too, in case her free time has changed. . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator From marc_news at valinux.com Thu Dec 6 17:49:02 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: Urgent! web page is still not up to date In-Reply-To: <200112070132.fB71WOH15534@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 05:32:24PM -0800 References: <20011206134234.F22187@magic.merlins.org> <200112070132.fB71WOH15534@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20011206174752.P22187@magic.merlins.org> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 05:32:24PM -0800, Heather wrote: > > I seemed to remember something about that, but couldn't find any record of > > your mail in the archives. > > Hmm, I thought I cc'd web team too. I know, I looked, couldn't find it... http://lists.svlug.org/lists/private/web-team/2001-November/thread.html http://lists.svlug.org/lists/private/web-team/2001-December/thread.html > OTOH I've been seeing more unsubs there, I think. Yes. > > Tom sent the information way before last friday. > > About the room number? About the talk. Both the front page and the meetings page still had the "next talk is" pointed to november's talk. > Yes. I recommend Margaret Wendall as an active soul, regular to both meets > and 'fests, and has offered the help before. Unless there are any specific > objections. It'd be good to ask her, too, in case her free time has changed. Sounds good to me. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From rdm at cfcl.com Sun Dec 9 16:49:02 2001 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: Is there going to be an InstallFest this month? Will it be at Accent Technologies on the 15th? Finally, I'd like to bring a set of DOSSIER (http://www.ptf.com/dossier) proofs along and put them out for folks to examine. Izzat OK? -r -- email: rdm@cfcl.com; phone: +1 650-873-7841 http://www.cfcl.com/rdm - my home page, resume, etc. http://www.cfcl.com/Meta - The FreeBSD Browser, Meta Project, etc. http://www.ptf.com/dossier - Prime Time Freeware's DOSSIER series http://www.ptf.com/tdc - Prime Time Freeware's Darwin Collection From marc_news at valinux.com Sun Dec 9 17:55:01 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 04:41:15PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20011209175417.T17330@magic.merlins.org> On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 04:41:15PM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > Is there going to be an InstallFest this month? Will it be at Accent There is one every month, 3rd saturday of the month, rain or shine :-) > Technologies on the 15th? Finally, I'd like to bring a set of DOSSIER > (http://www.ptf.com/dossier) proofs along and put them out for folks > to examine. Izzat OK? Sounds good. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From stevegt at TerraLuna.Org Fri Dec 14 12:06:01 2001 From: stevegt at TerraLuna.Org (Steve Traugott) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:32 2005 Subject: [web-team] [Officers] RFD: speakers@svlug.org list Message-ID: <20011214120246.A10491@scramjet.TerraLuna.Org> Hi All, I'm back from LISA (same conference Heather and Jim were at), caught up on mail, still getting over a cold-like bug Joyce and I both picked up this past weekend, but otherwise starting to function. Web-team, you can swing the Speaker Coordinator text and links to point at me now. I see two places, though there may be more: meetings.shtml and officers.shtml. Tom's been using an alias under his own domain (svlug@tgeller.com) to catch speaker-related mail, and we've been encouraging people to use the general svlug list for suggesting speakers for a while now. This kind of configuration is hard to manage -- the speaker coordinator has to wade through the general list traffic looking for suggestions, and also maintain a separate alias/folder for mail sent to him directly. Archives of speaker offers and conversation will tend to get lost this way, too. Would anyone have any objections to setting up a 'speakers@svlug.org' Mailman list, and redirecting all proposals there? The only subscribers to the list would normally be the speaker coordinator(s), though the Mailman archives could be generally available. The speaker coordinator would also Cc: conversations with potential speakers into that same list, to help keep things from falling through the cracks, and provide more continuity in cases of turnover and/or substitute or co-coordinators. If there are no objections, I'd like us to do this in the next week or so. Thoughts? Steve -- . . ` * Steve Traugott ` . * + Speaker Coordinator Infrastructure Architect + ` Silicon Valley stevegt@TerraLuna.Org ' * . ' +` * Linux Users Group http://www.stevegt.com/ http://www.svlug.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Microsoft's favorable treatment of late caused him to wonder what kind of deal Bill Gates must have worked out with the Bush Administration. He wondered what Microsoft might have given the government in return for the highly favorable terms of the settlement that's currently on the table in the court proceedings against the company, for monopoly practices in the operating systems arena. He commented specifically on the current ramifications of Microsoft's increasing position of power in the operating systems market: > Now, they have to get people to upgrade to > Windows XP -- that's the final step, the one that > fully turns over the keys to the Internet to them, > because after XP they can upgrade at will, routing > through Microsoft-owned servers, altering content, > and channeling communication through government > servers. After XP they fully own electronic > communication media, given the consent decree, > assuming it's approved by the court. Now, it has just come to light that Microsoft has been awarded a software "patent" for a "Digital Rights Management" operating system. This development shows us exactly where we stand now. Microsoft doesn't have to offer anything to the government; it has only to hold possession of a patent covering the "DRM" elements of its latest OS, thereby providing an almost absolutely assured trajectory toward establishing the terms by which the public's ability to communicate digital information will be controlled. Please see the message I am posting below, from the CYBERIA email list, which quotes from the patent. The real kicker is right here: > The digital rights management operating system > also limits the functions the user can perform on the > rights-managed data and the trusted application, and > can provide a trusted clock used in place of the > standard computer clock. The ability to use information freely is now going to be policed at the most intricate level, in the name of exclusive rights and to the detriment of the most fundamental Constitutional principles of our society. Whereas the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution assures that every American citizen has the full right to freedom of speech, we see here the ultimate legislative and technical trappings by which the public will be demarcated as mere information consumers. Facts and ideas are not contraband and may never be copyrighted or otherwise constrained under the terms of intellectual "property," whether they are bound up in an expressive work or not; and the computer is a *logic* device that now sits on nearly every citizen's desktop -- it is *not* a consumer appliance. From both the standpoints of speech and thought, so-called digital "rights management" is a utterly desolate *dead end.* Whether we speak of the constituent pieces of expressive works, or the nature of the computer itself, so-called digital "rights management" marks the beginning of a grand rollback of the means by which the promise of our participation in and advancement of civil society have lately been greatly augmented. Rather than facing the simple, plain truth that the power given in the U.S. Constitution for Congress to grant (or deny) to authors and inventors "exclusive right" to their works, was intended to cover products that do not intrinsically bind up the very means of communication and of our participation in civil society, we instead are experiencing a social condition wherein monopoly interests exploit the fluidity of logical products to evade the very terms of antitrust law and to assure that the public's ordinary rights do not gain purchase against their interests. Antitrust law is all about competition in a particular product, but software is as amorphous in its possibilities as our own vaunted power to think. Thus Microsoft easily maintains it is not in the browser market, competing with Netscape; it is, rather, in the market for "innovative operating systems." We are now seeing just how "innovative" that operating system can really be. If we do not confront the ludicrousness of the idea of holding a patent of this nature, and the outrageousness of our courts' failure to confront the truth about what holding market power in the field of informatin products really means, we will soon be free to speak and think -- only so long as we don't use our computers to do it. Thus, in the name of exclusive rights, Microsoft is serving old world publishing interests, acting by means of legal fictions to assure that citizens who seek to further the prospects of information technology, will be inexorably locked into the role of information consumers, blocked from exercising their own tools in full accordance with the rights that our Constitution supposedly guards. We are *all* information producers, whether we manifest this as a routine, inalienable part of the ordinary rights we exercise in our everyday lives, or whether we engage ourselves in the present, increasingly desperate and furtive struggle to guard commercial interests by restricting the use of information delivered in digital form. We have always been information producers, and we must not accede to the interests of those who do not regard the public at large as full and equal citizens, but rather as mere consumers. Seth Johnson Committee for Independent Technology December 14, 2001 Information Producers Initiative: http://RealMeasures.dyndns.org/C-FIT > -------- Original Message -------- > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:18:08 -0800 > From: John Young > > Microsoft's patent for a Digital Rights Management > Operating System was awarded yesterday: > > http://cryptome.org/ms-drm-os.htm > > Abstract > > A digital rights management operating system protects > rights-managed data, such as downloaded content, from > access by untrusted programs while the data is loaded > into memory or on a page file as a result of the > execution of a trusted application that accesses the > memory. To protect the rights-managed data resident in > memory, the digital rights management operating system > refuses to load an untrusted program into memory while > the trusted application is executing or removes the > data from memory before loading the untrusted program. > If the untrusted program executes at the operating > system level, such as a debugger, the digital rights > management operating system renounces a trusted identity > created for it by the computer processor when the > computer was booted. To protect the rights-managed data > on the page file, the digital rights management > operating system prohibits raw access to the page file, > or erases the data from the page file before allowing > such access. Alternatively, the digital rights > management operating system can encrypt the > rights-managed data prior to writing it to the page > file. 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I'll be out (checking mail sporadically, reachable at 650-868-6358), in Florida for the holidays, from the 23rd thru the 1st. Thanks all! Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ WHAT: Automating Linux Infrastructures WHEN: Wednesday, 2 January 2002, 7pm-9pm or so. WHO: Steve Traugott Founder, Infrastructures.Org Managing Partner, TerraLuna, LLC ABOUT: Steve Traugott is a pioneer in the area of automated administration of clusters and enterprise systems; his "Bootstrapping an Infrastructure" paper at the 1998 LISA conference helped lay the groundwork. Steve will cover the concepts and terminology of automated systems administration -- why automate, what components you need, the role of gold servers, CVS, LDAP, kickstart, makefiles that run at boot, tools like cfengine, file replication, and related subjects. He'll also talk about technologies like ARK/Arusha, ISconf and others on the horizon. References: * The original "Bootstrapping" paper and related works * Description of the LISA talk * Steve's personal page MORE ABOUT THE SPEAKER: Steve Traugott helped launch the term "Infrastructure Architecture" in the systems administration community, and has campaigned for industry acceptance of this "SysAdmin++" career track for the last several years. He is a consulting Infrastructure Architect, and publishes tools and techniques for automated systems administration. His deployments have ranged from New York trading floors, IBM mainframe UNIX labs, and NASA supercomputers to web farms and growing startups. Steve is also an active developer on CPAN, and is author of the IPC::Session, Mail::TieFolder, and IS::Init modules. He has long held a deep interest in improving organizations and human relations through the use of current communications technologies. He and his wife Joyce have recently founded TerraLuna.Org, a small volunteer group working to develop a trust model and codebase for nonheirarchical organizations. WHERE: Cisco Building 9. The land of NUMBERS. The VINEYARDS conference center. The side we are on is the Silver Oak/Jordan conference rooms, where a large Cisco fountain is usually not turned on. Directions on how to get there are listed at: http://www.svlug.org/directions/cisco-9.shtml We've tried our very best for these directions to be accurate. If you have any improvements to make, please let our Web Team know! web-team@svlug.org NOTES: It's best if you arrive close to on time, as otherwise there may not be someone posted at the door to let you in. After the speakers end their presentation there is usually a Q&A session, time for job seekers and employers to meet, and often a few door prizes. When the meeting is over people are encouraged to chat a bit, but also to exit the building so Cisco can lock up. 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It seems that the web-team is behind on updating the web page. Web-team, Hello? Marc PS: For your other questions, you can Email bchrisman@svlug.org -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From svlug at tgeller.com Fri Dec 21 20:14:03 2001 From: svlug at tgeller.com (Tom Geller) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [Officers] January Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <20011220121901.B12150@scramjet.TerraLuna.Org> References: <20011220121901.B12150@scramjet.TerraLuna.Org> Message-ID: At 12:19 PM -0800 12/20/01, Steve Traugott wrote: >- Officers: assuming the location is correct, can someone go ahead and > post this announcement on the list? I'll do that. Normally I'd wait until the week before (say, 29 December) and then post a reminder on the week of (say, 1 January). But I'll do it as you prefer. Would you like me to post something immediately? The rest I leave for the other officers. >Can someone verify that I have > the correct location for January? >- Heather: can you go ahead and post this on the web site? I've > already provided a suggested title at the top... >- Cisco liaison or anyone: can someone verify that VGA projectors are > standard issue for SVLUG meetings? (I.e. I don't need to request them > each time.) What about overhead projectors? Wireless (802.11b) access > for the speaker for demos etc? Cheers, --Tom, writing from his childhood bedroom in his parents' place in suburban New York. -- Tom Geller * San Francisco * tgeller.com Outgoing Speaker Coordinator (term ends 5 December 2001), Silicon Valley Linux Users Group (svlug.org) Current: tgeller.com, spamcon.org, bandwidthpr.com SpamCon Foundation Member, #1: Verify at http://www.spamcon.org From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Dec 21 21:16:03 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: )n-reply-to: <20011221191851.H16402@merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Dec 21, 2001 07:18:51 pm" Message-ID: <200112220515.fBM5FQF07479@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 07:16:39PM -0800, Rusty Zain wrote: > > > When do they have next Installfest ? "SVLUG Installfests are always on 3rd Saturdays" perhaps that should be rephrased, "SVLUG Installfests are on 3rd Saturdays, every single month" apologies, somehow "October" is stuck on the front page. December 2001 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 <-- you've missed December's 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 January 2002 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 <-- January's is on the 19th. 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 > > Of course, I got your other mail before this one, now I have some idea of > > what you're talking about. > > > > The installfest info is on the svlug web site: > > http://www.svlug.org/installfest/index.shtml > > > > it seems not been updayed recently that's why I am asking. > > It seems that the web-team is behind on updating the web page. pages, plural. 1. the text file which feeds the front page's "events" section 2. the installfest page itself > Web-team, Hello? 'Fest coordinator in the past had asked to keep the page up to date himself, so I had avoided interfering. Thus when I had gotten a bit busy it fell off my plate of things to check on... sorry. If the new coordinator doesn't wish to poke in regularly, I can redesign some of the text so only the top can get dusty, and try to keep the date on it primed. I get to about one 'fest in three so I probably can't help much more deeply than that. > Marc > > PS: For your other questions, you can Email bchrisman@svlug.org If Brian wants to maintain the 'fest section, he should be on or added to the web-team list. Warning: I'm going to be out of town until Wednesday, probably late, so my next web visit won't be in the next few days... . | . Heather Stern | star@starshine.org --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting@starshine.org ' | ` Sysadmin Support and Training | (800) 938-4078 From marc_news at vasoftware.com Fri Dec 21 21:18:03 2001 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <200112220515.fBM5FQF07479@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 09:15:26PM -0800 References: <20011221191851.H16402@merlins.org> <200112220515.fBM5FQF07479@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20011221211713.K16402@merlins.org> On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 09:15:26PM -0800, Heather wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 07:16:39PM -0800, Rusty Zain wrote: > > > > When do they have next Installfest ? > > "SVLUG Installfests are always on 3rd Saturdays" > > perhaps that should be rephrased, > > "SVLUG Installfests are on 3rd Saturdays, every single month" > > apologies, somehow "October" is stuck on the front page. It's probably better if you remove it, that way, you won't have to worry about updating the page and you'll be able to concentrate on the speaker's page :-) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Dec 21 21:27:06 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [Officers] January Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: from Tom Geller at "Dec 21, 2001 11:11:39 pm" Message-ID: <200112220526.fBM5QeL07489@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > At 12:19 PM -0800 12/20/01, Steve Traugott wrote: > > >- Officers: assuming the location is correct, can someone go ahead and > > post this announcement on the list? > > I'll do that. Normally I'd wait until the week before (say, 29 > December) and then post a reminder on the week of (say, 1 January). > But I'll do it as you prefer. Would you like me to post something > immediately? > > The rest I leave for the other officers. > > >Can someone verify that I have > > the correct location for January? > >- Heather: can you go ahead and post this on the web site? I've > > already provided a suggested title at the top... I'm presently preparing to be out of town for a few days (visiting my sister and folks for X-mas). Connectivity is sucky at best there* and I have to finish LG stuff early so my editor can goof for New Year's, so I do not expect to be hitting mail or the net in general until I return late Wed. or early Thurs. * my sister has a modem linkup, but there aren't enough POPs in L.A. so it's often busy and slow even after she gets in. Jim keeps saying we ought to turn the dial-ourselves setup back on, but we haven't, and it's just as well since it'd be long distance. I can slip the title into the front page widget. I should check that the secondary page is time/title accurate before I go but I'm not worried about it being "filled in" before next Wed, since that's a week out. Announce this far ahead is good, but please note, you'll want to do a smaller announce the day before to remind people to set their PDAs, avoid getting sucked into dinner arrangements, etc. (BayLISA has the same problem) > >- Cisco liaison or anyone: can someone verify that VGA projectors are > > standard issue for SVLUG meetings? (I.e. I don't need to request them > > each time.) What about overhead projectors? Wireless (802.11b) access > > for the speaker for demos etc? (disclaimer: I am not the Cisco Liaison, I don't play one on TV or VOIP, and I don't work for Cisco, either.) Last time I was paying attention, VGA was normal, SVLUG's never used overheads so I wouldn't know about that, and net access is not typical (but I think it was arranged once). > Cheers, > > --Tom, writing from his childhood bedroom in his parents' place in > suburban New York. We've had some names sign off the web-team list in the last few months and few if any joins; the crew is getting spread kind of thin. . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Dec 21 22:05:03 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [Officers] January Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <200112220526.fBM5QeL07489@betelgeuse.starshine.org> from Heather at "Dec 21, 2001 09:26:40 pm" Message-ID: <200112220605.fBM65Iw07702@betelgeuse.starshine.org> All and sundry: 1. apologies if you're getting dupes. 2. pages updated a. the Events widget is cleaned up. Fests shouldn't spoil, SVLUG and BALUG are correct. b. The Meetings page is partially updated. The top, which is what half the crowd look at, is corrected. The blurb needs dropping in. 3. SOMEONE please confirm which building it's in! I am assuming 9, but stated "probably back to 9" on the pages, so if we are wrong and have to jump back, folks won't have the excuse that we said nada about the possibility. As it's about sysadmin stuff, I'll cross post to BayLISA next week. merry equinox... . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator > > At 12:19 PM -0800 12/20/01, Steve Traugott wrote: > > > > >- Officers: assuming the location is correct, can someone go ahead and > > > post this announcement on the list? > > > > I'll do that. Normally I'd wait until the week before (say, 29 > > December) and then post a reminder on the week of (say, 1 January). > > But I'll do it as you prefer. Would you like me to post something > > immediately? > > > > The rest I leave for the other officers. > > > > >Can someone verify that I have > > > the correct location for January? > > >- Heather: can you go ahead and post this on the web site? I've > > > already provided a suggested title at the top... > > I'm presently preparing to be out of town for a few days (visiting my sister > and folks for X-mas). Connectivity is sucky at best there* and I have to > finish LG stuff early so my editor can goof for New Year's, so I do not > expect to be hitting mail or the net in general until I return late Wed. > or early Thurs. > > * my sister has a modem linkup, but there aren't enough POPs in L.A. so it's > often busy and slow even after she gets in. Jim keeps saying we ought to > turn the dial-ourselves setup back on, but we haven't, and it's just as > well since it'd be long distance. > > I can slip the title into the front page widget. I should check that the > secondary page is time/title accurate before I go but I'm not worried about > it being "filled in" before next Wed, since that's a week out. > > Announce this far ahead is good, but please note, you'll want to do a smaller > announce the day before to remind people to set their PDAs, avoid getting > sucked into dinner arrangements, etc. (BayLISA has the same problem) > > > >- Cisco liaison or anyone: can someone verify that VGA projectors are > > > standard issue for SVLUG meetings? (I.e. I don't need to request them > > > each time.) What about overhead projectors? Wireless (802.11b) access > > > for the speaker for demos etc? > > (disclaimer: I am not the Cisco Liaison, I don't play one on TV or VOIP, and > I don't work for Cisco, either.) > Last time I was paying attention, VGA was normal, SVLUG's never used > overheads so I wouldn't know about that, and net access is not typical > (but I think it was arranged once). > > > Cheers, > > > > --Tom, writing from his childhood bedroom in his parents' place in > > suburban New York. > > We've had some names sign off the web-team list in the last few months and > few if any joins; the crew is getting spread kind of thin. > > . | . Heather Stern > --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services > ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator > > _______________________________________________ > web-team mailing list > web-team@lists.svlug.org > http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/web-team > From marc_news at vasoftware.com Fri Dec 21 22:38:02 2001 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [Officers] January Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <200112220605.fBM65Iw07702@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@betelgeuse.starshine.org on Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 10:05:18PM -0800 References: <200112220526.fBM5QeL07489@betelgeuse.starshine.org> <200112220605.fBM65Iw07702@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20011221223653.M16402@merlins.org> On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 10:05:18PM -0800, Heather wrote: > All and sundry: > 1. apologies if you're getting dupes. > 2. pages updated > a. the Events widget is cleaned up. Fests shouldn't spoil, > SVLUG and BALUG are correct. > b. The Meetings page is partially updated. The top, which is what > half the crowd look at, is corrected. The blurb needs dropping in. Thanks. > 3. SOMEONE please confirm which building it's in! I am assuming 9, but > stated "probably back to 9" on the pages, so if we are wrong and > have to jump back, folks won't have the excuse that we said nada > about the possibility. Tracy gave us the schedule a couple of weeks ago (posted here): It showed us in building 9 all of next year. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Sat Dec 22 08:14:03 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [Officers] January Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <20011221223653.M16402@merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Dec 21, 2001 10:36:53 pm" Message-ID: <200112221613.fBMGDhG09238@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 10:05:18PM -0800, Heather wrote: > > All and sundry: > > 1. apologies if you're getting dupes. > > 2. pages updated > > a. the Events widget is cleaned up. Fests shouldn't spoil, > > SVLUG and BALUG are correct. > > b. The Meetings page is partially updated. The top, which is what > > half the crowd look at, is corrected. The blurb needs dropping in. > > Thanks. > > > 3. SOMEONE please confirm which building it's in! I am assuming 9, but > > stated "probably back to 9" on the pages, so if we are wrong and > > have to jump back, folks won't have the excuse that we said nada > > about the possibility. > > Tracy gave us the schedule a couple of weeks ago (posted here): > It showed us in building 9 all of next year. Excellent. I'm zapping it now. . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator From stevegt at TerraLuna.Org Sat Dec 22 20:26:02 2001 From: stevegt at TerraLuna.Org (Steve Traugott) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] Re: [Officers] January Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: ; from svlug@tgeller.com on Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 11:11:39PM -0500 References: <20011220121901.B12150@scramjet.TerraLuna.Org> Message-ID: <20011222202432.A1112@scramjet.TerraLuna.Org> On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 11:11:39PM -0500, Tom Geller wrote: > At 12:19 PM -0800 12/20/01, Steve Traugott wrote: > > >- Officers: assuming the location is correct, can someone go ahead and > > post this announcement on the list? > > I'll do that. Normally I'd wait until the week before (say, 29 > December) and then post a reminder on the week of (say, 1 January). > But I'll do it as you prefer. Would you like me to post something > immediately? Thanks Tom, please do post immediately; since we're all getting scattered over the holidays, I'm in deathly fear that it's going to get lost. Can you also do the "day or so prior" post? > --Tom, writing from his childhood bedroom in his parents' place in > suburban New York. Going "home" is always kinda nice. ;-) Steve -- . . ` * Steve Traugott ` . * + Speaker Coordinator Infrastructure Architect + ` Silicon Valley stevegt@TerraLuna.Org ' * . ' +` * Linux Users Group http://www.stevegt.com/ http://www.svlug.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Heather. > We've had some names sign off the web-team list in the last few months and > few if any joins; the crew is getting spread kind of thin. Should we make more noise about this during meetings? I didn't even know there was a need for web volunteers until I started seeing it mentioned in officers mail. Steve -- . . ` * Steve Traugott ` . * + Speaker Coordinator Infrastructure Architect + ` Silicon Valley stevegt@TerraLuna.Org ' * . ' +` * Linux Users Group http://www.stevegt.com/ http://www.svlug.org From kapambwe at hotmail.com Sat Dec 22 21:55:01 2001 From: kapambwe at hotmail.com (kapambwe kangombe) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: Hi, my name is Kapy. I'm trying to get into real programming, so far I've learnt HTML, CSS and almost done with JavaScript. What programming language can I get into when I'm done with the JavaSript?? Get more from the Web. 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Will do! -- Tom Geller * San Francisco * tgeller.com Outgoing Speaker Coordinator (term ends 5 December 2001), Silicon Valley Linux Users Group (svlug.org) Current: tgeller.com, spamcon.org, bandwidthpr.com SpamCon Foundation Member, #1: Verify at http://www.spamcon.org From star at betelgeuse.starshine.org Fri Dec 28 11:35:02 2001 From: star at betelgeuse.starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:33 2005 Subject: [web-team] feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: from kapambwe kangombe at "Dec 23, 2001 00:54:48 am" Message-ID: <200112281934.fBSJYav03776@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > > Hi, my name is Kapy. This is Heather Stern, a member of the webmasters team at the Silicon Valley Linux Users Group. > I'm trying to get into real programming, so far I've learnt HTML, CSS and > almost done with JavaScript. What programming language can I get into when > I'm done with the JavaSript?? HTML is not a programming language, nor is CSS. Both are page description languages -- like TeX, except TeX is nearly unreadable. More like SGML. Postscript is a page layout language too but printers have been trained over the years to do very strange things, and with some of the extra macros in PDF (a postscript variant) there could be some claim to its defense. In my belief any "language" which lacks if-then-else and looping constructs is not a programming language. Javascript is an okay language, but I'd be wary of claiming you know it completely -- like the completely unrelated Java, there are many vendor renditions of Javascript, and not even versions from the same vendor always agree with each other on what is legal code. None of these matters, however are Linux specific... > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ...and you might not even be a linux user. Perhaps the local chapter of the ACCU would help you better. While the title expands to "Association of C and C++ Users" they discuss all normal programming languages. If you still think a Linux User Group might be of interest, please use our website and follow the links to our email lists. The one you want is "svlug" -- the main chat list. . | . Heather Stern --->*<--- Starshine Technical Services ' | ` SVLUG Web Content Coordinator