From Jason_Brinkle at AIMFUNDS.COM Mon Nov 6 06:56:45 2000 From: Jason_Brinkle at AIMFUNDS.COM (Brinkle, Jason) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:14 2005 Subject: [web-team]feedback Message-ID: <85046AFB36C9D3118F520008C72BBEE401C92966@HOUXML05> I've just recently installed WebFetch, and have gotten it to work successfully, but I have a problem. I can't seem to manipulate the text, but I noticed that it seems that you have been able to do so. I also noticed that you are using the development version of WebFetch, so I guess that could be my problem. If you could let me know how to do so, I'd appreciate it. If you need to view my source, the page is at http://eskimo.tamu.edu/index.shtml Thanks, Jason From ikluft at thunder.sbay.org Mon Nov 6 09:33:06 2000 From: ikluft at thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]feedback (fwd) Message-ID: Jason - Amy from the SVLUG webmasters forwarded your message. Please note that that contact address for WebFetch is maint@webfetch.org. There is also a mail list. WebFetch has too many modules for me to figure out how to interpret your question of about manipulating "the text". Which module are you asking about? -- Ian Kluft KO6YQ PP-ASEL sbay.org coordinator ikluft(at)thunder.sbay.org http://www.kluft.com/~ikluft/ San Jose, CA Forwarded message: >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:21:48 -0800 (PST) >From: Amy >To: Ian Kluft >Subject: [web-team]feedback (fwd) > >fyi... > >--Ames >*----------------------------------------------------------------* > Amy L. Turner amy@iconoclast.net >*----------------------------------------------------------------* > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:56:45 -0600 >From: "Brinkle, Jason" >To: "'webmaster@svlug.org'" >Subject: [web-team]feedback > >I've just recently installed WebFetch, and have gotten it to work >successfully, but I have a problem. I can't seem to manipulate the text, >but I noticed that it seems that you have been able to do so. I also >noticed that you are using the development version of WebFetch, so I guess >that could be my problem. If you could let me know how to do so, I'd >appreciate it. > >If you need to view my source, the page is at >http://eskimo.tamu.edu/index.shtml > >Thanks, >Jason > >_______________________________________________ >web-team mailing list >web-team@lists.svlug.org >http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/web-team From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Nov 7 10:01:14 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [svlug] Subscriber stats? In-Reply-To: <20001103002543.R9645@linux00.LinuxForce.net>; from bill@billjonas.com on Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 12:25:43AM -0500 References: <20001103002543.R9645@linux00.LinuxForce.net> Message-ID: <20001107100113.A22181@marc.merlins.org> On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 12:25:43AM -0500, Bill Jonas wrote: > I remember the old mailing list page had a list of stats telling how many > subscribers received the lists and also had numbers broken out by TLDs. > This appears to be missing now; at least, I didn't see it in any obvious > places. Is this still around? If so, where? If not, are there any plans > to bring it back? (I want to find out how many people I annoy when I post. No, the page is gone because it relied on stats from egroups I believe, and egroups kept changing their web page format, which broke the script every time. The web team would know more than me on this. That said, I can give you this: svlug:/var/local/mailman/bin# ( ./list_members svlug; ./list_members svlug-announce) | sort -u | wc -l 1230 svlug:/var/local/mailman/bin# ./list_members svlug | wc -l 643 svlug:/var/local/mailman/bin# ./list_members svlug-announce | wc -l 796 Yes, this could run from a cron job and be displayed on some web page :-) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From ikluft at thunder.sbay.org Tue Nov 7 10:20:29 2000 From: ikluft at thunder.sbay.org (Ian Kluft) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [svlug] Subscriber stats? In-Reply-To: <20001107100113.A22181@marc.merlins.org> from "Marc MERLIN" at Nov 07, 2000 10:01:14 AM Message-ID: >From: Marc MERLIN >On Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 12:25:43AM -0500, Bill Jonas wrote: >> I remember the old mailing list page had a list of stats telling how many >> subscribers received the lists and also had numbers broken out by TLDs. >> This appears to be missing now; at least, I didn't see it in any obvious >> places. Is this still around? If so, where? If not, are there any plans >> to bring it back? (I want to find out how many people I annoy when I post. > >No, the page is gone because it relied on stats from egroups I believe, and >egroups kept changing their web page format, which broke the script every >time. >The web team would know more than me on this. > >That said, I can give you this: >svlug:/var/local/mailman/bin# ( ./list_members svlug; ./list_members svlug-announce) | sort -u | wc -l > 1230 >svlug:/var/local/mailman/bin# ./list_members svlug | wc -l > 643 >svlug:/var/local/mailman/bin# ./list_members svlug-announce | wc -l > 796 > >Yes, this could run from a cron job and be displayed on some web page :-) That's exactly how it was done before. When the mail lists were switched to MailMan, they deleted the web directory with Majordomo stuff, even though some of it wasn't necessarily dependent on Majordomo. That page is apparently gone now. However, the script which generated the actual table is from my Perl5 WebFetch::ListSubs module. (See http://www.webfetch.org/ or any CPAN mirror.) It would have to be modified to work with MailMan. Such changes would be accepted if submitted but I don't have time to offer to do it right now. -- Ian Kluft KO6YQ PP-ASEL sbay.org coordinator ikluft(at)thunder.sbay.org http://www.kluft.com/~ikluft/ San Jose, CA From marc_news at valinux.com Wed Nov 8 23:47:26 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Emails from last meeting Message-ID: <20001108234726.G5205@moremagic.merlins.org> Tom Geller volunteered to be the speaker coordinator at last meeting, he's already on this list. Fred Finster is our speaker for the coming month, he's going to show his linux PDA. Tom, you probably want to Email him, get a quick bio and synopsis to give to our web team: fred_finster@el.nec.com Winston Lei, winston.lei@e-tek.com volunteered to help on the web team. He gave a URL to his work: http://www.burmeses.net/ Amy has retired, but Heather said that she'll continue to help as time permits. Anyone else still on the web team? Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From tom at tgeller.com Thu Nov 9 08:32:15 2000 From: tom at tgeller.com (Tom Geller) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [Officers] Emails from last meeting In-Reply-To: <20001108234726.G5205@moremagic.merlins.org> References: <20001108234726.G5205@moremagic.merlins.org> Message-ID: At 11:47 PM -0800 11/8/00, Marc MERLIN wrote: >Fred Finster is our speaker for the coming month, he's going to show his >linux PDA. Tom, you probably want to Email him, get a quick bio and synopsis >to give to our web team: fred_finster@el.nec.com I just did, and will report the results back to this list. Best, -- Tom Geller * San Francisco * tgeller.com bandwidthpr.com, openppc.org, suespammers.org, popcomputers.com From lisa.dequattro at extenex.com Thu Nov 9 14:49:00 2000 From: lisa.dequattro at extenex.com (Lisa DeQuattro) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: confirmation of your vote References: Message-ID: <3A0B29DC.82E2E5A3@extenex.com> webmaster@svlug.org wrote: > A vote was cast on behalf of lisa.dequattro@extenex.com on our web voting booth. > If you did not cast this vote yourself, then someone else used your address > and we want to know about it so we can prevent it from happenning again. > Please include a copy of this message in your reply because we'll need > the following information to delete it: > > URL: http://www.svlug.org/cgi-bin/stv/prez2001 > Voting topic: SVLUG President 2001 > E-mail address used: lisa.dequattro@extenex.com > Remote host: 64.51.136.194 > Time: Thu Nov 9 14:32:22 2000 > Voting choice #1: Marc Merlin > Voting choice #2: Karsten Self > > webmaster@svlug.org > Webmasters of Silicon Valley Linux Users Group (SVLUG) From bgallowa at wso.williams.edu Fri Nov 10 15:43:02 2000 From: bgallowa at wso.williams.edu (bgallowa@wso.williams.edu) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [svlug] Vote for SVLGU president. In-Reply-To: ; from chris@dibona.com on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 02:52:38PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20001110154302.A6313@spoo.de-fac.to> Bug report on the SVLUG prez vote CGI -- I voted using the email address bgallowa@wso.williams.edu. The response: Bogus Domain in E-mail Address An error has occurred in the voting software. That e-mail address appears to have a non-existent domain. A domain search found no mail exchanger record. Reason: NOERROR wso.williams.edu certainly exists, since I have been getting mail there for years. Should I try again later, or did the vote go through? Don't make me file a lawsuit... :) -- Bob Galloway "It's clearly a budget. D7E6 4CBE 5839 9EDE 9311 It's got a lot of numbers in it." A4B3 D685 C870 54AB 9520 -- G.W. Bush, Reuters, May 5, 2000 From chris at dibona.com Fri Nov 10 15:48:46 2000 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [svlug] Vote for SVLGU president. In-Reply-To: <20001110154302.A6313@spoo.de-fac.to> Message-ID: Well, send me your vote and I'll apply it, otherwise I don't know what's up right now (I'm just leaving right now) Chirs -- Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems | http://www.valinux.com President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group | http://www.svlug.org Grant Chair, Linux International. | http://www.li.org Co-editor, Open Sources | http://www.dibona.com On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 bgallowa@wso.williams.edu wrote: > Bug report on the SVLUG prez vote CGI -- > > I voted using the email address bgallowa@wso.williams.edu. The response: > > Bogus Domain in E-mail Address > An error has occurred in the voting software. > That e-mail address appears to have a non-existent domain. > A domain search found no mail exchanger record. > Reason: NOERROR > > wso.williams.edu certainly exists, since I have been getting mail there > for years. Should I try again later, or did the vote go through? > > Don't make me file a lawsuit... :) > > -- > Bob Galloway "It's clearly a budget. > D7E6 4CBE 5839 9EDE 9311 It's got a lot of numbers in it." > A4B3 D685 C870 54AB 9520 -- G.W. Bush, Reuters, May 5, 2000 > From mark at genus.com Fri Nov 17 10:44:31 2000 From: mark at genus.com (Mark Plimley) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]feedback from SVLUG website Message-ID: <3A157C8F.E3C4F170@genus.com> FYI: McNealy vs. IBM on Linux http://www.silicon.com/public/door?REQUNIQ=973109946&6004REQEVENT=&REQINT1=40546&REQSTR1=newsnow Mark Plimley From star at starshine.org Fri Nov 17 10:22:25 2000 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]feedback from SVLUG website In-Reply-To: <3A157C8F.E3C4F170@genus.com> from Mark Plimley at "Nov 17, 2000 10:44:31 am" Message-ID: <200011171823.KAA05377@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > FYI: McNealy vs. IBM on Linux > > http://www.silicon.com/public/door?REQUNIQ=973109946&6004REQEVENT=&REQINT1=40546&REQSTR1=newsnow > > Mark Plimley Thanks for your URL, however, we're not a news organization. All our headlines are fetched from the more usual news sites via a script. So, when it shows up on those, our visitors will see it anyway. We're all volunteers, we'd be a bit overloaded if we had to screen a lot of temporary URLs. Long term resources though, can go into our link farm. -* Heather Stern * Web Content Coordinator * SVLUG *- From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Nov 17 16:09:23 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Sill want to be on the web-team list? Message-ID: <20001117160923.H17368@marc.merlins.org> I sent the following to the officers list. The same applies to this list, please Email me back if you'd like to remain on the web-team. As for the mailing list issue, members of the web team will only need to moderate the very few messages that are sent to web-team or webmaster. (Heather doesn't need to answer, she's already told me that she'd like to continue to help, thanks Heather. I also have to find that new volunteer we got and whose Email I sent to the officers list. Heather, I think you wanted to contact him. Did you get to do that?) Thanks, Marc ----- Forwarded message from Marc MERLIN ----- So, I vouched that we'd be more responsive to mailing lists requests. Michael is the box and list admin, but he's not always around. For instance, this week, he's been gone and not seen any of his Email. The same happens to me frequently too (not being gone, but not seeing some of my personal mail for weeks). Luckily, I've been able to be on top of those mails this week. So, the new rule is that everyone on the officers list will be subscribed to the svlug admin alias, and will be expected to help out with users requests so that we can share the load a bit and be more responsive. Before doing that, I'd just like to check who is still reading mail on this list and who would like to remain on it. You do not have to tell me why you'd like to stay, a simple Email saying that you'd still like to be here and that you don't mind receiving the mailman admin messages and helping out with them will be enough. You do need to Email me back though because if you don't, I will assume that you are not reading mail from this list anymore and I'll unsubscribe your address. The idea is to be able to depend on whoever is subscribed to actually read the mail and respond if needed :-) I will do the same with the web-team list. Don and Tom, having responsiblities within SVLUG, are automatically considered 'in' :-) Other volunteers, not being elected, are free to use this time of elections to step out if you feel you've become too busy too help (like Sam and Amy). You'll be suitably thanked for your help and we'll know that we may need a new volunteer to help out. (don't think I'm kicking anyone out, I'm not, I just like to know who's still "active" and has time to help) Thanks in advance, Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key _______________________________________________ Silicon Valley Linux Users Group Officers Unsubscribe at: http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/officers ----- End forwarded message ----- From star at starshine.org Fri Nov 17 15:34:16 2000 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Sill want to be on the web-team list? In-Reply-To: <20001117160923.H17368@marc.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Nov 17, 2000 04:09:23 pm" Message-ID: <200011172334.PAA06181@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > I sent the following to the officers list. > The same applies to this list, please Email me back if you'd like to remain > on the web-team. > > As for the mailing list issue, members of the web team will only need to > moderate the very few messages that are sent to web-team or webmaster. > > (Heather doesn't need to answer, she's already told me that she'd like to > continue to help, thanks Heather. I also have to find that new volunteer we > got and whose Email I sent to the officers list. Heather, I think you wanted > to contact him. Did you get to do that?) > > Thanks, > Marc I have been quite busy with Loscon committee stuff and have not had a chance to do that. You can contact him instead, or you can send me a reminder note with just his info. If he has a number, it'd be nice to know if it's a day or a night number. * Heather From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Nov 17 17:16:01 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [SVLUG] The next SVLUG Installfest ... In-Reply-To: <3A15CE8A.820564E9@pacbell.net>; from knight23@pacbell.net on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 04:34:19PM -0800 References: <3A15CE8A.820564E9@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20001117171601.M17368@marc.merlins.org> On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 04:34:19PM -0800, G. W. Roe wrote: > Hi can someone answer this for me? > I was going to attend the next installfest but the SVLUG web page > says that "The next SVLUG Installfest and Workshop is Saturday, > September 16, 2000." also on the same page it says that the third > saturday of the month is the golden day. So my question is, is there > going to be one this saturday (the 18th) or has it been canceled for > an early thanksgiving weekend? As far as I know it hasn't been cancelled and I just think the web page is unfortunately out of date. I called Brian to confirm, and I'm waiting for a callback (left voicemail) That said, unless you hear otherwise, you should assume that everything is still going on this weekend. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From bchrisman at valinux.com Fri Nov 17 17:21:59 2000 From: bchrisman at valinux.com (Brian Chrisman) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [SVLUG] The next SVLUG Installfest ... References: <3A15CE8A.820564E9@pacbell.net> <20001117171601.M17368@marc.merlins.org> Message-ID: <3A15D9B7.A8C07DE8@valinux.com> Yes, it's tomorrow! Marc MERLIN wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 04:34:19PM -0800, G. W. Roe wrote: > > Hi can someone answer this for me? > > I was going to attend the next installfest but the SVLUG web page > > says that "The next SVLUG Installfest and Workshop is Saturday, > > September 16, 2000." also on the same page it says that the third > > saturday of the month is the golden day. So my question is, is there > > going to be one this saturday (the 18th) or has it been canceled for > > an early thanksgiving weekend? > > As far as I know it hasn't been cancelled and I just think the web page is > unfortunately out of date. > I called Brian to confirm, and I'm waiting for a callback (left voicemail) > > That said, unless you hear otherwise, you should assume that everything is > still going on this weekend. > > Marc > -- > Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... > .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking > > Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at starshine.org Fri Nov 17 16:26:08 2000 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [SVLUG] The next SVLUG Installfest ... In-Reply-To: <20001117171601.M17368@marc.merlins.org> from Marc MERLIN at "Nov 17, 2000 05:16:01 pm" Message-ID: <200011180026.QAA06286@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > > Hi can someone answer this for me? > > I was going to attend the next installfest but the SVLUG web page > > says that "The next SVLUG Installfest and Workshop is Saturday, > > September 16, 2000." also on the same page it says that the third > > saturday of the month is the golden day. So my question is, is there > > going to be one this saturday (the 18th) or has it been canceled for > > an early thanksgiving weekend? > As far as I know it hasn't been cancelled and I just think the web page is > unfortunately out of date. > I called Brian to confirm, and I'm waiting for a callback (left voicemail) I'm going to have to slap someone - I fixed that page less than two weeks ago, the last time somebody asked about this. Which means, whoever edited the page most recently, is not using RCS correctly, and is somehow having it rollback to an older revision. When you do this, of course, our web readers have cause to wonder. btw, the reference on the front page is still stating November, and this is correct as far as I know. > That said, unless you hear otherwise, you should assume that everything is > still going on this weekend. > > Marc This RCS thingy is beginning to really tick me off - it's caused as much trouble as it's fixed. * Heather From star at starshine.org Fri Nov 17 16:42:25 2000 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [SVLUG] The next SVLUG Installfest ... In-Reply-To: <3A15D9B7.A8C07DE8@valinux.com> from Brian Chrisman at "Nov 17, 2000 05:21:59 pm" Message-ID: <200011180042.QAA06329@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > Yes, it's tomorrow! Offending webpage has been fixed. It appears that 3 locations mention this, 4 if you want to be energetic: 1) the index page, by way of the SSI events.html (events.shtml is something else) 2) wrkshop.html, the offender in this case. 3) installfest/index.shtml. Does anything still point to this? Or is it just here because someone might type http://www.svlug.org/installfest ? A symlink might be better! 4) if you feel like creating an announcement for it in svlug-news.txt. Which I've done :D And while we're asking, it's on for December, yes? * Heather > Marc MERLIN wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 04:34:19PM -0800, G. W. Roe wrote: > > > Hi can someone answer this for me? > > > I was going to attend the next installfest but the SVLUG web page > > > says that "The next SVLUG Installfest and Workshop is Saturday, > > > September 16, 2000." also on the same page it says that the third > > > saturday of the month is the golden day. So my question is, is there > > > going to be one this saturday (the 18th) or has it been canceled for > > > an early thanksgiving weekend? > > > > As far as I know it hasn't been cancelled and I just think the web page is > > unfortunately out of date. > > I called Brian to confirm, and I'm waiting for a callback (left voicemail) > > > > That said, unless you hear otherwise, you should assume that everything is > > still going on this weekend. > > > > Marc From marc_news at valinux.com Sun Nov 26 19:04:15 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team] Still want to be on the web-team list? In-Reply-To: <200011172334.PAA06181@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@starshine.org on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:34:16PM -0800 References: <20001117160923.H17368@marc.merlins.org> <200011172334.PAA06181@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20001126190415.L25585@moremagic.merlins.org> On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 03:34:16PM -0800, Heather wrote: > > I sent the following to the officers list. > > The same applies to this list, please Email me back if you'd like to remain > > on the web-team. Ok, no one answered except Heather :-) This is your second and last chance to chime in and say that you're still active on svlug web stuff (don't see any pressure, I just don't want to unsubscribe anyone who still has time to help) > I have been quite busy with Loscon committee stuff and have not had a > chance to do that. You can contact him instead, or you can send me a > reminder note with just his info. If he has a number, it'd be nice to > know if it's a day or a night number. I already talked to him, I have no problem with him helping :-) I think the best thing is that I'll add him to the list and we can see how it goes (he's Cced here). His info again: Winston Lei winston.lei@e-tek.com Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From marc_news at valinux.com Sun Nov 26 19:43:58 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [SVLUG] The next SVLUG Installfest ... In-Reply-To: <200011180042.QAA06329@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@starshine.org on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 04:42:25PM -0800 References: <3A15D9B7.A8C07DE8@valinux.com> <200011180042.QAA06329@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20001126194358.M25585@moremagic.merlins.org> [Trimmed CC and added officers] On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 04:42:25PM -0800, Heather wrote: > > Yes, it's tomorrow! > > Offending webpage has been fixed. BTW, thanks :-) > It appears that 3 locations mention this, 4 if you want to be energetic: > > 1) the index page, by way of the SSI events.html > (events.shtml is something else) > > 2) wrkshop.html, the offender in this case. > > 3) installfest/index.shtml. > Does anything still point to this? Or is it > just here because someone might type > http://www.svlug.org/installfest ? > A symlink might be better! > > 4) if you feel like creating an announcement for it in > svlug-news.txt. Which I've done :D Cool. > And while we're asking, it's on for December, yes? Judging from Tom's last message, yes. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From star at starshine.org Tue Nov 28 14:13:42 2000 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]meeting details updated. Message-ID: <200011282214.OAA15080@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Mostly Tom and the web crew care about this, but anybody else is welcome to pipe in. Just wanted to let everyone know that I've added the meeting details to the website, including the headline-news widget (so anybody out there with an SVLUG newswatcher will see it). Which reminds me, is there an SVLUG newswatcher for every wm? :) Anyways, unlike most speakers they have given us *lots* of detail, so I wanted to ask... do you want me to just take what the gave us and webify it, or should our speaker coordinator distill it down a bit? I do want to preserve the hotlinks to related projects, though. btw, http://www.necel.com/linux was a 404, and there's no hint of Linux on necel.com that I could spot. Also these people have addresses @ nec.com, so I hotlinked the main NEC site for the two main listings. Pls advise if I should change that. * Heather "so many hats" Stern * Web Coordinator From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Nov 28 14:28:32 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [Officers] meeting details updated. In-Reply-To: <200011282214.OAA15080@betelgeuse.starshine.org>; from star@starshine.org on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:13:42PM -0800 References: <200011282214.OAA15080@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: <20001128142832.Z27106@marc.merlins.org> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:13:42PM -0800, Heather wrote: > Mostly Tom and the web crew care about this, but anybody else is welcome > to pipe in. > > Just wanted to let everyone know that I've added the meeting details to > the website, including the headline-news widget (so anybody out there with > an SVLUG newswatcher will see it). Thanks. > Anyways, unlike most speakers they have given us *lots* of detail, so I > wanted to ask... do you want me to just take what the gave us and webify > it, or should our speaker coordinator distill it down a bit? I do want > to preserve the hotlinks to related projects, though. I like the summary that you have on http://www.svlug.org/meetings.shtml If you have a longer description, you can put it on a separate page with a link, of if it's easier, I suppose Tom could give you an somewhat abridged version. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From tom at tgeller.com Tue Nov 28 15:07:00 2000 From: tom at tgeller.com (Tom Geller) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [Officers] meeting details updated. In-Reply-To: <200011282214.OAA15080@betelgeuse.starshine.org> References: <200011282214.OAA15080@betelgeuse.starshine.org> Message-ID: At 2:13 PM -0800 11/28/00, Heather wrote: >Just wanted to let everyone know that I've added the meeting details to >the website Yay! *jumpandclap* >Anyways, unlike most speakers they have given us *lots* of detail, so I >wanted to ask... do you want me to just take what the gave us and webify >it, or should our speaker coordinator distill it down a bit? There are a few possibilities: 1) Include only the "concise version", given below. That's my choice. 2) Ask Mike for his opinion. I vote for this if you don't like (1). 3) Include the whole kit and cheezdoodle. I think that's too much, and confusing. 4) Include the concise version, plus links. That also might be confusing, without the background information. 5) Give the concise version now, possibly amend it as appropriate after the presentation. I'd rather not have to try to cut down his rambling notes, and suspect that posting them would sort of steal his thunder. Submit your votes, or suggestions. --Tom "Butterfly Ballot" Geller ---begin concise version--- From: Mike McDonald [mikemac@mikemac.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:56 AM To: maynard@coolcs.com Cc: fred_finster@el.nec.com; johnny_wang@el.nec.com Subject: SVLUG talk outline Here's a rough outline of my portion of the talk for SVLUG. Background: Mike earned a BSCS from the University of New Mexico in 1982 and a MSCS from the University of Illinois in 1984. He spent ten years as a member of Harris's Advanced Tecnology Department doing research in VLSI CAD, parallel processing, and X. More recently, he has worked on desktop and settop boxes for SGI, distributed parasitic extraction for Mentor Graphics, and secure fingerprint sensors for Veridicom. He is currently the CTO of A Cool Computer Science Company doing work with embedded Linux. Outline: Before you begin Gather docs/info What toolchain? What kernel version/source tree? Bootloader/debugger? First steps configuration: make ???config include files static char log_buf[LOG_BUF_LEN]; becoming intimate with init/main.c Got a shell prompt! What's next? You're 5% done! PCI PCMCIA USB keyboards: PS/2 and scanned other drivers user land tools/apps? What's different about an embedded Linux? Lack of resources: RAM storage tools people Source tree hell ---begin long notes--- Mike McDonald's Background: NEC Electronics 1997 - present Working with NEC Vr CPUs Vr4102, Vr4111, Vr4121, Vr4122, Vr4181 Worked on porting and testing software device drivers for WINCE Software on NEC Electronics Reference boards Supporting customer questions about the WINCE software Suggested NEC Electronics to start supporting LINUX software on our Vr4181 Osprey Handheld referemce design. Supported NEC Electronics to contract porting Linux software on Vr4122 Harrier reference platform. He is actively working with several Linux Vendors to come up with Linux Solutions for NEC's Vr cpus. These linux solutions include kernel porting, driver development and application programs. The market focus is on digital consumer products. November 13 2000 TOPIC: Porting Linux Kernel to an Embedded System with less of everything. Questions that the Audience may want answered. 1. How much does it cost? 100K Dollars 2. How long does it take to port the Linux Kernel? 5 - 12 Months 3. How long does it take to port the Linux Applications? Forever, because something new is always coming down the line. Seriously, a few minutes to a couple weeks porting from x86 software to NEC Vr MIPS. Cross Compiling has its own set of issues, with the libraries supported and directory path names. 4. NEC's interest is in selling CPUs. Customers are asking for the Linux software solution. NEC wants their business and is willing to help the free software movement to port Linux software onto NEC Vr CPUs. Contributors: Viosoft: Arriba http://www.viosoft.com MontaVista Software: Hard Hat Linux http://www.mvista.com MediaQ MQ200 chip: http://www.mediaq.com Brad LaRonda started this off with a CVS tree and a Vadem Clio http://www.vadem.com http://www.agendacomputing.com There are 3 or 4 things needed to place an IC into a design. Working IC, Data Sheet, Reference Board ( Hardware HOWTO ), and working software, ( ie the Dance Step, the sequence, the register setup) 1.) The working Chip with most bugs fixed. 2.) The data sheet describing the chips pin out and registers. 3.) A working Software example that shows the order of reading and writing those registers. This Software has to be given away without encumbrance. ie Would you like to see working software. Well here is an example. Propiertary Software solutions/drivers usually need an NDA signed with a potential customer before the customer can have the software. We ask, "Did you sign the NDA? No, Oh sorry, I cant show the working Company X driver software." Linux can be given away freely and shows the pattern of accessing the registers with known working tested software. Anecdote. For example, in 1949 the magazine Popular Mechanics expressed the opinion that "Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." Actually, with some of today's computers weighing a few ounces, the magazine was sort of correct. Thomas Watson, the chairman of IBM, stated in 1943 that "there is a world market for maybe five computers." The founder of Digital Equipment Corporation said "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in his home." Today, why would you want to play songs on your computer. Nobody would want to do that when you can buy a $50 CD-ROM or a $20 cassette player or a $10 FM radio. Here is Napster, an idea from a college student. Dr. Williams observed we survived all these errors because "the 'experts' making false predictions had not the power to impose their vision on the future of others." He adds, "For this reason alone we should not allow experts, no matter how smart they are - or think they are - to control any aspect of our lives." Outline: Who started this Linux-Vr: Ralf Bechel in Germany working on SGI and Olivetti MIPS machines Brad LaRonde in New York Mike Klar Jay Carlson Sebastien Huet in France. http://www.embedded-linux.org plus others listed on http://linux-vr.org Who supports Linux on NEC Vr Cpus today? http://Linux-VR.org MontaVista Software for Vr4181 & Vr5476 VioSoft for Vr5476, Vr5074 reference boards. Cool California Software for Vr4122 Linux Kernel www.coolcs.com Debian Linux Century Software for MicroWindows, ViewML, graphics driver Who will support Linux Vr in the future? Agenda Computing and the VR3 Linux Handheld in January 2001 Linux Users like yourself in the audience when you write Linux applications for these VR3 Units. Why use MIPS over x86? 1.) Cost. $50 up for x86 $30 and down for MIPS 2.) Power 20 Watts 2 Watts Vr5432 350 milliWatts Vr4122, Handheld use We don't sell a '12V DC ball bearing FAN' with every CPU. This is advantage for embedded area, like a server in wiring closet with out air conditioning. 3.) MIPS Code advantages 32 general purpose registers with a full 64bits Where you waiting for Itanium to do a full 64bit register to register compare? the Linux VR kernel only supports 32bit programming, though. 4.) Speed, even with the Mhz Clock rating of 500Mhz for x86, a 200Mhz MIPS can get equivalent work completed. Monitor Code in the EPROM 1.) PMON 2.) NEC Debug Monitor with TFTP download Interfaces: AC97 Stereo Sound USB 1.1 4 types of transfers PCMCIA interface Compact Interface PS/2 Keyboard / Mouse Drivers Touch Panel Drivers V.90 Modem Solutions Non Volatile RAM Flash Memory Adding applications: Integration of applications to the embedded system. http://freshmeat.net By the seat of your pants. This is difficult work to accomplish even if it compiles easily with the x86 Linux Chant, Make config, Make Dep, Make Oops, Make Clean, and repeat daily. Voice over IP on Linux Download: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/kijana/EPHONE/ephone_binary.tar.bz (1069 hits) Homepage: http://www.linuxtel.com/ efone May 31st 2000, 15:56 EST Efone is a distributed internet phone system. It features a voice sending/receiving client (an internet phone) and a central server (administered via the Web) where users' information (name, nick, password, current IP) is stored. It resembles a combination of ICQ and Internet phone. Graphical AOL Instant Message on Linux http://www.marko.net/gaim/ Where to download files: http://linux-vr.org http://www.necel.com/linux ---end--- -- Tom Geller * San Francisco * tgeller.com bandwidthpr.com, openppc.org, suespammers.org, popcomputers.com From tom at tgeller.com Tue Nov 28 15:08:04 2000 From: tom at tgeller.com (Tom Geller) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]Re: [Officers] meeting details updated. In-Reply-To: <20001128142832.Z27106@marc.merlins.org> References: <200011282214.OAA15080@betelgeuse.starshine.org> <20001128142832.Z27106@marc.merlins.org> Message-ID: At 2:28 PM -0800 11/28/00, Marc MERLIN wrote: >I like the summary that you have on >http://www.svlug.org/meetings.shtml > >If you have a longer description, you can put it on a separate page with a >link, of if it's easier, I suppose Tom could give you an somewhat abridged >version. Forgot to mention: I'd *definitely* put longer text on a separate page, as Marc suggests. It'd clog the main page otherwise. -- Tom Geller * San Francisco * tgeller.com bandwidthpr.com, openppc.org, suespammers.org, popcomputers.com From hsungsoo at myneed.com Tue Nov 28 15:32:14 2000 From: hsungsoo at myneed.com (hsungsoo@myneed.com) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:15 2005 Subject: [web-team]cloud you help me to subscribe mailing list ? Message-ID: <975454334.3a24407e6faf9@mail@myneed.com> hi! how are you ? i tried so many times to subscribe SVLUG mailing list. but it seems that majordomo don's exist. the apply mail which i sent is returned to me again. could you help me to subscribe SVLUG mailing list ? thanks for your help. have a good day ! ----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System ----- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:28:34 -0800 From: Mail Delivery System Reply-To: Mail Delivery System Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender To: hsungsoo@mail.myneed.com This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: majordomo@svlug.org: unknown local-part "majordomo" in domain "svlug.org" ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from [208.41.104.215] (helo=mail.myneed.com) by svlug.svlug.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 140uAs-0001Vk-00 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:28:34 -0800 Received: (from hsungsoo@localhost) by mail.myneed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11812 for majordomo@svlug.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:28:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:28:34 -0800 From: hsungsoo@mail.myneed.com Message-Id: <200011282328.PAA11812@mail.myneed.com> To: majordomo@svlug.org Subject: subscribe Subscribe svlug hsungsoo@myneed.com ----- End forwarded message ----- From star at starshine.org Tue Nov 28 18:42:50 2000 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:16 2005 Subject: [web-team]cloud you help me to subscribe mailing list ? In-Reply-To: <975454334.3a24407e6faf9@mail@myneed.com> from "hsungsoo@myneed.com" at "Nov 28, 2000 03:32:14 pm" Message-ID: <200011290243.SAA15608@betelgeuse.starshine.org> > hi! > how are you ? Hi, I'm Heather Stern, SVLUG's webmaster. > i tried so many times to subscribe SVLUG mailing list. > but it seems that majordomo don's exist. the apply mail which i sent is > returned to me again. How did you hear it is on majordomo? We presently use mailman. (If it's one of our web pages I need to fix it.) > could you help me to subscribe SVLUG mailing list ? Try http://lists.svlug.org, it has better instructions for you. In addition, I've forwarded your note to the listmaster at SVLUG, so we can try and make it easier on people who hear that we're on majordomo. We were, but switched to mailman late this year. > thanks for your help. > have a good day ! > > > ----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System > ----- > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:28:34 -0800 > From: Mail Delivery System > Reply-To: Mail Delivery System > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > To: hsungsoo@mail.myneed.com > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. The following address(es) failed: > > majordomo@svlug.org: > unknown local-part "majordomo" in domain "svlug.org" > > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ > > Return-path: > Received: from [208.41.104.215] (helo=mail.myneed.com) > by svlug.svlug.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) > id 140uAs-0001Vk-00 > for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:28:34 -0800 > Received: (from hsungsoo@localhost) > by mail.myneed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11812 > for majordomo@svlug.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:28:34 -0800 > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:28:34 -0800 > From: hsungsoo@mail.myneed.com > Message-Id: <200011282328.PAA11812@mail.myneed.com> > To: majordomo@svlug.org > Subject: subscribe > > Subscribe svlug hsungsoo@myneed.com > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > web-team mailing list > web-team@lists.svlug.org > http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/web-team From marc_news at valinux.com Wed Nov 29 23:44:10 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:16 2005 Subject: [web-team]web team list updated Message-ID: <20001129234409.A10951@marc.merlins.org> So here's who's on the list now: svlug:/var/local/mailman/bin# ./list_members web-team lisa@svlug.org winston@svlug.org michael@svlug.org bchrisman@svlug.org star@svlug.org merlin@svlug.org I created an account for winston (welcome Winston), and I left Brian and Michael subscribed even though they didn't ask to be, I just assumed they didn't have/take the time to answer. If you don't want to be on the list, let Michael or me know :-) I created web-team-folks@lists.svlug.org, as the list admin for this list, and you're all part of the alias. Please help out with the (very) few mailman requests that you might get from time to time, this is your list, so you get to admin it :-) I'll send the mailman password as a separate mail. As for the future, if you feel you like more help, we can ask for more volunteers, but let's see how it works right now Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f@merlins.org for PGP key From lasky2 at airmail.net Thu Nov 30 13:54:06 2000 From: lasky2 at airmail.net (Sid Lasky) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:16 2005 Subject: [web-team] (no subject) Message-ID: <002401c05b18$102e8200$0100a8c0@lasky2> Enclosed is a description of a position we are trying to fill. can it be posted on your site? Thank you. Sid Lasky Austin-based Open Source software development and global service organization seeks Marketing Vice President to be responsible for all aspects of product marketing and positioning. Require: - At least ten years management experience with a major, multinational IT corporation, or successful IT startup or spinoff, including senior management experience. - Some general familiarity with the emergent portal market and the open source movement. - A portfolio of both successful product launches and marketing plans sustained over time. This is a superb growth opportunity. Contact Sid Lasky, lasky2@airmail.net, 214-826-8450. Principals only. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/web-team/attachments/20001130/1ce17ac1/attachment.htm From star at starshine.org Thu Nov 30 14:51:58 2000 From: star at starshine.org (Heather) Date: Sat Apr 2 14:56:16 2005 Subject: [web-team] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <002401c05b18$102e8200$0100a8c0@lasky2> from Sid Lasky at "Nov 30, 2000 03:54:06 pm" Message-ID: <200011302252.OAA22020@betelgeuse.starshine.org> [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Enclosed is a description of a position we are trying to fill. can it be posted on your site? > > Thank you. > > Sid Lasky The SVLUG website does not post job listings. People who wish to hire SVLUG members are encouraged to come to the meetings and use the time after the speaker steps down from the podium to network with potential employees and fellow recruiters. Our mailing list guidelines consider broadband job postings to be poor netiquette. Please note a major percentage of our members are developers and other *technical* people in the free software community. As free software has been popular in the press for less years than the time frame you have specified, if you should find anyone qualified under the definition below (10 years in IT/marketing?), you may be skewing your results poorly for a company directed toward Open Source ... you might, however, seek out prominent people in the BSD community, that's a much older free UNIXlike system. On the other hand, if you are seeking a highly experienced technical person to give some more concrete guidance to your Marketing division, you have a good chance of finding someone at SVLUG. I believe you might meet BayLISA's job posting guidelines for their job postings list. See www.baylisa.org for more details. BayLISA is the Silicon Valley area system admin group. * Heather Stern * Web Coordinator, SVLUG > Austin-based Open Source software development and global service > organization seeks Marketing Vice President to be responsible for all > aspects of product marketing and positioning. > > Require: > > - At least ten years management experience with a major, multinational > IT corporation, or successful IT startup or spinoff, including senior > management experience. > > - Some general familiarity with the emergent portal market and the > open source movement. > > - A portfolio of both successful product launches and marketing plans > sustained over time. > > This is a superb growth opportunity. > > Contact Sid Lasky, lasky2@airmail.net, 214-826-8450. Principals only.