<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Thank you Aaron C for an interesting write up...<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>MX Linux is a distro I have suggested you take for a drive before.</div><div>It runs sysvinit <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init</a>> and has a systemd option in Grub</div><div>for anyone that would want to boot up with it.</div><div>They have a decent brief write up on their system and the 'why's' & 'what-for's' here:</div><div><<a href="https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd/">https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd/</a>></div><div>I have mentioned the distro to Bobbie S. a few times and encouraged them to try it and</div><div>now it seems they're carrying it on usb's to meetings...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Re: Artix</div><div>I ran this when it first came out and it was [by their own admission] VERY buggy.</div><div>That was a long time ago and you are the second reference to it in as many weeks so </div><div>I want to dive back in and check out how it has developed and thank you...</div><div>I love a lot of ideas going on with it...</div><div>Since Manjaro caved on their OpenRC version(s) I have dumped it :-((></div><div><br></div><div>Artix has a steep learning curve [which they transparently let people know in the past up front] so</div><div>folks shouldn't expect any hand holding in the installation(s), documentation, or forums/IRC's.</div><div>If one has a secondary machine it is fun to 'play around with' and will really show you the absolute </div><div>beauty of Linux and Arch Linux.</div><div>One can go one step further if so inclined and install Devuan on another partition on the same machine</div><div>and see the methods and differences in two non_systemd_distros based on two different distros.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It's nice to hear you are coming to the meetings regularly since the last one I saw you attending...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>'m......' >>></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>message ends.</div><div>__________________</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:07 AM aaronco36 <<a href="mailto:aaronco36@sdf.org">aaronco36@sdf.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Quoting Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at <a href="http://dslextreme.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">dslextreme.com</a>> from [01]:<br>
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> 1150 Aaron C. came it with one of his 32 bit laptops.<br>
..<br>
..<br>
<br>
> Aaron C. told Jim about a new set of Libraries apparently<br>
> making it easier to avoid systemd. I will welcome their<br>
> input about the matter.<br>
<br>
That "new set of Libraries" is the musl-libc alternative to glibc. <br>
Quoting [02]:<br>
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musl is an implementation of the C standard library built on top of the <br>
Linux system call API, including interfaces defined in the base language <br>
standard, POSIX, and widely agreed-upon extensions. musl is lightweight, <br>
fast, simple, free, and strives to be correct in the sense of <br>
standards-conformance and safety.<br>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>
<br>
A nice description of musl vs glibc is at Reddit's 'ELI5: What is musl and <br>
glibc?' [03].<br>
<br>
For "one of [my] 32 bit laptops", I downloaded and then installed Void <br>
Linux, "the first distribution to switch to LibreSSL by default, replacing <br>
OpenSSL"[04]. Void Linux uses runit as the default init system instead of <br>
systemd [05]. Semi-unfortunately, I was restricted to using Void's <br>
i686-glibc for that 32 bit laptop [06] instead of musl, for reasons that <br>
may be best explained within the Void Linux's 'Musl' entry [07].<br>
<br>
IIRC, I also mentioned to Jim about other non-systemd distros which use <br>
alternate init systems; the advanced 64bit Arch-based Obarun Linux [08] <br>
which uses skarnet's s6 small suite of programs [09] "to allow process <br>
supervision (a.k.a service supervision), in the line of daemontools and <br>
runit", and the 64bit Arch-based Artix Linux which can now use runit, <br>
OpenRC _or_ s6 as the installed init systems (alternate init system ISO <br>
downloads currently listed in [11].<br>
<br>
-A<br>
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REFERENCES<br>
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[011]<a href="http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2020q1/014584.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2020q1/014584.html</a><br>
[02]<a href="https://musl.libc.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://musl.libc.org/</a><br>
[03]<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/41q2m9/eli5_what_is_musl_and_glibc/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/41q2m9/eli5_what_is_musl_and_glibc/</a><br>
[04]<a href="https://voidlinux.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://voidlinux.org/</a><br>
[05]<a href="https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Runit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Runit</a><br>
[06]<a href="https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Live_Images" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Live_Images</a><br>
[07]<a href="https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Musl" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Musl</a><br>
[08]<a href="https://web.obarun.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://web.obarun.org/</a><br>
[09]<a href="https://www.skarnet.org/software/s6/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.skarnet.org/software/s6/</a><br>
[10]<a href="https://artixlinux.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://artixlinux.org/</a><br>
[11]<a href="https://download.artixlinux.org/isos.php" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://download.artixlinux.org/isos.php</a><br>
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<a href="mailto:aaronco36@sdf.org" target="_blank">aaronco36@sdf.org</a><br>
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