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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/19/19 11:02 PM, Rick Moen wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Quoting Bobbie Sellers (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com">bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com</a>):
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Rick you always assume the worst when I make mention of any problems I
have experienced.
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Bobbie, you seem to forget (1) people can judge what happened _only_ by
what words were made available to describe events, and perhaps also
(2) the purpose of user groups.
When all you say is that [distro A] couldn't get online, so I tried
[distro B], then pretty much anyone is going to wonder whether you
did any diagnosis at all between the two halves of that sentence. But
that brings us back to the purpose of user groups, which IMO is to
spread and perpetuate understanding of the technology in question.
And that doesn't work if the message is 'Hey, I tried this distro and
something didn't work, so I abandoned it and moved on to this other
distro.' Consider the message that sends. It suggests that it's normal
for Distro X to just not boot at all, and for Distro Y to have
non-functional wireless, and, worse, that getting to the bottom of
problems doesn't matter.</pre>
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I tried a bunch of Flash Drives sequentially as I have
previously mentioned I am not installing<br>
to hard drives or even SSD. Since the cannot get on line prevents
attempting to do any <br>
sort of download or online information seeking at the alleged
meeting<br>
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Anyway, on the bright side, consider this an opportunity to make
(figurative) lemonade: 1. You can post information about your i386
machine and about what specifically 'doesn't boot' means on the two
distros you cited. And we can help solve that. 2. You can post
information about the distros that 'could not get online' about what
specifically that means. And we can help solve that. 3. Given that
you apparently want cutting-edge KDE application versions, you can amend
the error of going for an inappropriate Debian branch that obviously you
would not like, and try one you would.</pre>
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No you fail to understand my system of: here is a system you
might want to use, take a good look at the<br>
display and what is listed in the menues. If you like it, here is
the Flash Drive to take home and try out.<br>
Please return it at the next meeting, and if you are a regular
attendee then I won't ask for a $5 deposit.<br>
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And you could also take a couple of modest and easy steps after the end
of installer operation to do things like install KDE theme packages and
your preferred Web browser before (erroneously) proclaiming a distro
deficient having not bothered to do those things.</pre>
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I don't run installers at the meeting, unless someone contacts
me in advance and shows up at the meeting<br>
by 6 PM or 11 AM on Sundays. I will make copies of iso files to
media. This is due to time limitations of the<br>
meeting. I am running from a Flash Drive and downloading themes is
something I don't care to spend<br>
my time on. I cannot give lectures about many topics in Linux for
physical reasons as well as reasons<br>
of ignorance, i.e. if I talk at length the muscles that control my
voice get tired and I might as well have<br>
laryngitis. Sadly I am the only regular attendee at these
meetings and I show up so Jim Stockford<br>
can get some rest as he asked me to do when the meeting place was
moved from JavaCat to <br>
Cafe Enchante. Jim gives me ride home whenever he can.<br>
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The fact that you tried something on a brand-new distribution and 'it
didn't work' _doesn't_ mean it's irrelevant to this forum as you seem to
assume. To the contrary: That is logically of great interest. If you
encountered a problem, odds are others may, too, and, if you spend a
couple of minutes detailing what happened, then you and everyone else
here can benefit from the problem and from its solution. If you don't,
then nobody learns anything.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> But here is something I did today I updated my LibreOffice
to 6.2.1 and was presented with a problem.
A file libreoffice-openclipart must be removed before it can
be replaced by the newer version and between removing
the file and replacing it with the new version if you want
clipart LibreOffice can be updated by LibreOffice Manager.
The file and the new version are listed here:
libreoffice-openclipart (6.1-1pclos2018 => 6.2-1pclos2019)
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Show, don't tell.
Try to do the update using primary console tools such as apt-get.
(You didn't bother to identify your distribution, but my recollection is
that you use PCLinuxOS. PCLinuxOS uses a port of the apt toolkit to rpm
packages.) </pre>
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Yes as the backend to Synaptic.<br>
The use of apt is discouraged.<br>
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Yes, I know that you probably would rather use Synaptic, the gtk
graphical front-end to apt. The problem in present context is that you
cannot copy and paste into a mailing list posting the sequence of events
that happen when you try to use a tool like Synaptic. So, something
like this
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Not on your life. There are times when I have to use it and try
remember everything I have<br>
forgotten in the last few years<br>
But I was used to using urpmi on the Mandriva machine and having to
site surf all over the world<br>
to find a file that had been left for whatever reason out of the
repository.<br>
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1. Open a console. Become the root user. (If PCLinuxOS is afflicted
with sudo mediation of root access, then do 'sudo su -' to become root.)
Following commands are shown with '#' as the command prompt to indicate
that this is happening at a root-user shell prompt.
2. # apt-get update
This ensures that the system's records about available rpms is up to
date.
3. # apt-get install [whatever]
Here's the important bit: Copy and paste into a posting to
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sf-lug@linuxmafia.com">sf-lug@linuxmafia.com</a> that command and what results, to give us
meaningful verbatim diagnostic data. Otherwise, it's very, very
difficult for anyone to help you, because we cannot see what you are
seeing.
It's really, really important to include relevant, verbatim detail if
problems are to get solved and mailing list subscribers are to learn
from the experience (not to mention you getting solutions). Otherwise,
the process ends at you saying '[something] didn't work', because
'didn't work' is essentially never a symptom amenable to diagnosis.
But, that aside, what actual problem are you trying to solve?
If I understand you correctly, some unspecified piece of software is
telling you that you must remove 'file' (which you later describe not as
a file but rather a package) libreoffice-openclipart, before LibreOffice
6.2.1 can be installed -- and that if you want clipart, then LibreOffice
Manager (also known as lomanager; see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=59009.0">http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=59009.0</a> ) can replace the
clipart after you install 6.2.1. OK, then?
Sounds like you should do that. Sounds plausible to me, at least. So,
given that, what's the problem exactly?</pre>
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The instructions I gave above present you with a quandary You
cannot update to the newer package<br>
until the older package is deleted by Synaptic and the update ilists
the new version of LibreOffice as<br>
a dependency of libreoffice-openclipart 6.2-1pclos2019 and refuses
to install.<br>
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On PCLinusOS we are lucky to be using Synaptic as the tool it
replaces is even older and<br>
further out of date though still in use on Mageia and perhaps some
of the other distributions<br>
that claim Mandrake/Mandriva heritage.<br>
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See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=59009.0">http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=59009.0</a> if unclear
about how PCLinuxOS's lomanager thingie is claimed to work. Hope that
helps!
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23 minutes is long enough to wait for my breakfast while I reply
to your lengthy <br>
screed.<br>
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bliss<br>
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