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<font size="+3"><font face="Tahoma">Hi Aaron,<br>
<br>
Knoppix is all very well but not being able to get to the WiFi
<br>
connection still keeps me from updating the particular
distributions<br>
that do not contain the drivers for my onboard WiFi.<br>
<br>
As for PCLinuxOS I have few problems getting it online as
long<br>
as I avoid certain distros that turn off the WiFi as they shut
down.<br>
But i can fix that when it happens.<br>
<br>
Now with EasyOS I can run it here and use Ethernet with DSL<br>
to get the driver for the WiFi its design is such that each use<br>
in Live mode produces a remaster.<br>
<br>
If I can figure out why the AntiX 17.4 is not booting then I<br>
possibly do the same thing there but it won't stick unless I <br>
do an install and remaster after I have the working driver.<br>
<br>
Presently I am not installing anything else on this E6540
with<br>
PCLinuxOS 64 KDE5 2019.03 and Deepin. If I am not involved <br>
with pointless discussion of various matters I may find time to
<br>
install a larger hard drive with plenty of room to spare for all<br>
the things I might want to write to disk to fully test.<br>
<br>
The 6420 which i bring to meeting has even more limited<br>
space and I intend only to keep upgrade it as I did today.<br>
<br>
I never wanted to be a Linux Terminal expert because it is<br>
so different from the AmigaOS which was a much simpler system<br>
and on which I did lots of stuff essentially in root mode all
the<br>
time. I learn things as I need them and keep examples of<br>
fixes and terminal commands on hand for future use.<br>
<br>
I think the Terminal use is frightening away potential <br>
users from the desktop. I prefer to work from the given<br>
GUI tools like Synaptic from the desktop.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/20/19 10:06 AM, aaronco36 wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:alpine.NEB.2.20.1903201659210.3892@sdf.lonestar.org">Bobbie
Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote at [1]
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">I tried a bunch of Flash Drives
sequentially as I have previously
<br>
mentioned I am not installing to hard drives or even SSD. Since
<br>
the cannot get on line prevents attempting to do any sort of
<br>
download or online information seeking at the alleged meeting
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Seems like this was a Catch-22 situation.
<br>
<br>
What's a Catch-22 situation, for the one or two people reading
this who don't already know what a Catch-22 is or may have
conveniently forgotten??
<br>
<br>
A definition of a Catch-22 from ref [2]
<br>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<br>
A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual
cannot escape because of contradictory rules or limitations. The
term was coined by Joseph Heller, who used it in his 1961 novel
Catch-22.
<br>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<br>
<br>
So in brief, the comparable Catch-22 situation here may very well
be that Bobbie S was simply _unable_ to go online to download and
seek the very "information" that would have allowed her to go
online in the first place. Such is my admittedly feeble attempt to
describe as a prototypical Catch-22 situation Bobbie S's inability
to have WiFi "working" and subsequently getting online.
<br>
<br>
Carefully note from the posting of [3] that ....
<br>
- Bobby S "showed up at 5:35 PM and had no problems with setting
up [her] Dell E6520"; the point being that she only had _one_
machine with her
<br>
-"Jim S. Showed up about 7 PM..."; the point being that Bobbie S
was _completely unassisted_ with her efforts to go online for
nearly an hour-and-a-half
<br>
<br>
Although of course by no means the _only_ way of resolving Bobbie
S's Catch-22 situation here, one way to assist in diagnostics and
troubleshooting is to use bootable live media on her E6520 that's
almost _intended_ for this purpose. I favor using the Swiss Army
Knife of Linux distro's, KNOPPIX [4]. While the current stable
version is KNOPPIX_V8.2-2018-05-10-EN.iso 2018-05-14 18:29 4.4G
(downloadable from the Knoppix mirrors listed at [5]), I'm getting
the distinct impression from refs [6] and [7] that KNOPPIX 8.5.x
might be available in the near future on these selfsame mirror
sites [5].
<br>
<br>
Once the 4.4GB KNOPPIX iso is downloaded and burned to DVD, then
the KNOPPIX DVD's 'flash-knoppix' utility can be used on a USB
stick having a capacity of at least 8 GB to create a bootable USB
stick (see ref [8].)
<br>
Then Bobbie S and others could use this KNOPPIX bootable USB stick
for the requisite diagnostics and troubleshooting and thus avoid
as much as possible future potential Catch-22 situations ;-D
<br>
<br>
-A
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I have setup using Knoppix's own facility several Knoppix Flash
Drives and have them at meetings.<br>
When i hear that a new version of the Knoppix iso file is out I
will download that and update any<br>
Knoppix Flash Drives on hand,<br>
If someone wants a DVD of Knoppix I will be happy to prepare if
requested before the meeting a day or<br>
so in advance. Writing DVDs takes a lot more time than writing an
iso to a Flash Drive.<br>
<br>
Bobbie Sellers - my nose is quite athletic, it runs in all
weathers but<br>
stopped during our smoky summer of 2018<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:alpine.NEB.2.20.1903201659210.3892@sdf.lonestar.org">
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References
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[1]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2019q1/013929.html">http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2019q1/013929.html</a>
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[2]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)</a>
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[3]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2019q1/013925.html">http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2019q1/013925.html</a>
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[4]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=knoppix">https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=knoppix</a>
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[5]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html">http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html</a>
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[6]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://knoppix.net/forum/threads/38676-Knoppix-8-5">http://knoppix.net/forum/threads/38676-Knoppix-8-5</a>
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[7]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix850-en.html">http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix850-en.html</a>
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[8]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix-flash-en.html">http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix-flash-en.html</a>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:aaronco36@sdf.org">aaronco36@sdf.org</a>
<br>
SDF Public Access UNIX System - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sdf.org">http://sdf.org</a>
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