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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/20/19 6:05 PM, Rick Moen wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Quoting Bobbie Sellers (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com">bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com</a>):
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">You don't reakkt get ut di tiy (leaving an example of my dyspraxia) I
bet I could destroy a drive without checking my terminal typing
closely.
You don't really get it do you, I was there, Jim showed up without a
computer due to other problems. So there was one computer being used
to test downloaded, check-summed iso files written to Flash Drives.
There was no other user there to go online and check for various
drivers, etc.
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Then, there remains the other two possibilities that you are continuing
to ignore as I repeat them multiple times -- which I can only now assume
to be deliberate:
1. Collect contemporaneous diagnostic information, and store it on a
USB flash drive. Later when you have Internet access again, post that
information to enable helpers to find and fix the problem -- and help
everyone learn. Or:
2. Collect the diagnostic infomation as above, then reboot your machine
to a different OS load where you know Internet access works. Then post.
You keep ignoring (and talking past) those points -- yet, there they
still remain.</pre>
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You still aren't paying attention to my previous replies.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">When it will not boot collecting information via any tool seems a bit
beyond me.
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Do you know how to use pen and paper? Last I heard, they don't even
require batteries. Do you know how to take a screen's picture using a
smartphone camera. </pre>
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Currently and for the foreseeable future I have no smart phone
thus no smartphone camera<br>
due to the paucity of funds experienced by most Social Security
recipients. I chose to invest<br>
instead in laptop computer on which to run Linux and into donations
to PCLInux to keep<br>
those updates on the way. I used to use my tablet for such
occasions as demanded a<br>
picture but I do not carry it to the meetings or very far to
anywhere else.<br>
I am fairly adept at pen and paper but the messages I got on the
problems<br>
were so terse that i could not make sense of them.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">120 minutes is the length of a meeting, I would rather drag my
problems home and try to fix them here where I have nearly 3 weeks to
discover the cures,
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I note that you apparently _didn't_ try to solve those problems, there
or elsewhere. Just 'didn't work, didn't work', and then no more about
that except move on to next.</pre>
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Exactly put aside the non-working release and hope to find a
interesting distribution<br>
about which you can say positive things. Later if allowed time away
from typing replies<br>
to people who find my reports lacking I may find the time to
investigate further.<br>
Time is pressing even when I am alone at the computer and even at
home.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">As I said, thing is, then nobody learns. That's not learning Linux;
that's just tourism.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I listen to the people who roll the distro and who get new kernels out
that work.
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Except when they say rely on lomanager? ;->
(I'm afraid to ask what kernels 'not working' is supposed to mean,
but I suspect it doesn't mean much.)</pre>
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Some time back a new kernel was released and I installed it. My
computer could not boot with<br>
that kernel. <br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I am the one doing house calls.
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Have fun!</pre>
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Some but not too much,<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">No helpers at the meeting last week
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Just all over the global Internet. But, at this point, you're back to
studiously ignoring the point. And good luck with that.</pre>
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You studiously ignore my points why not ignore the repetitive
advice you are happy to <br>
gratuitously offer,<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The matter is that while LO Manager will take care of the LibreOffice
sometime LibreOffice will demand specific updates. Those updates must
be done with Synaptic(your choice would be apt I know). But as I
mentioned the specific LibreOffice package to access cliparts and to
must be removed and Synaptic is how I did that. Then if you want
Clipart you must install the updated package which has LO as a
dependency.
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If you want help, as I said, show, don't tell. Otherwise, all you're
doing is telling a story.</pre>
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Well you know if you don't pay attention to the story you learn
nothing.<br>
And I tell a concise story about updating the LibreOffice suite
a problem that arrises<br>
and how I solved it,<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">And yet it was LO manager which told me to get a parcel of updates and
LibreOffice manager which told me to remove the file.
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Oh? Show us.</pre>
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Why! If you cannot read the story which explains concisely the
problem then<br>
you cannot read the story.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Post the command session.</pre>
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It goes : <br>
start LibreOffice Manager <br>
enter the root password.<br>
Wait while LOM scans the installation<br>
and decides that there is an update<br>
but generates a long list of required<br>
updates.<br>
Copy the list of updates to a temporary file,<br>
Startup the Synaptic entering root again <br>
and Reload its current repository data.<br>
Marke the updates, Install the updates<br>
startup the LOM again re-ente root password<br>
and wait while it repeats its prior actions.<br>
LOM generates a single needed package<br>
name. go back to Synaptic and find the<br>
package which cannot be installed as <br>
LibreOffice 6.2.1 is listed as a Dependency.<br>
Remove the old package,<br>
Restart LOM and let it work.<br>
When LOM is done working <br>
Start up Synaptic again.<br>
Install the updated package,<br>
Shut down or continue with other<br>
work as you startup the other computer<br>
and repeat the same steps.<br>
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Otherwise, you're not serious about seeking assistance. There are
things that can be done about intractible package logjams, but we
haven't gotten to that point, because you would need to start by
_showing_.</pre>
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<b> I was not seeking assistance but relating how i resolved a
problem,</b><b><br>
</b><b> Since it was not in terminal format you did not bother to
read it apparently.</b><br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Then come to the meeting and advise people or use the meetings to
lecture on the matters you find important.
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When I do come to meetings, I am delighted to -- as you know.
If you find it inconvenient that I'm not all the way up in San Francisco
personally, then you can come down to a CABAL meeting in Menlo Park, at
my house. </pre>
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Oh if you lived in San Francisco you could attend the meeting
more often one supposes but<br>
I had always wanted to visit the Menlo Park Install fests but sadly
it is beyond my range.<br>
So have no fear I will ever be bothering you at home.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">If neither of those meets your exacting needs for in-person help, then I
guess you will need to hire a consultant, because that is exactly what
consulting is. Be prepared to pay that consultant's hourly rate,
usually with a two-hour minimum.</pre>
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Actually when I am not busy with replying to someone who cannot
read a story<br>
I usually take my problems to the internet to find prior occurrences
and solutions.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> But please learn to be less lengthy in your critical remarks as
reading and replying to them takes me a lot more time than it takes
your to write them.
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Friend, I am not taking directions from you as to how to assist the
Linux community, something that I've put a rather considerable
amount of effort into over a period of twenty-six years, and to which
I've devoted personal resources that include making possible this entire
mailing list.
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No but you are addressing your lectures to me.<br>
I applaud the fact you are devoting substantial resources to the
mailing list<br>
and I am sure you have done a great deal in the 26 years you have
been at <br>
promoting Linux. When I was using Amiga I did something similar to<br>
what i am doing now. Other people setup Amiga BBSes and I
contributed<br>
to them financially when i could ill afford to do so, because I
never had<br>
enough resources to setup my own BBS. <br>
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Every word I wrote upthread was intended to try to teach points to
current and future members of the Linux community, and I happen to think
I'm pretty good at it. Which is more than can be said for your parade
of 'didn't work'.</pre>
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Doubtless you are good teacher on such topics, <b>but the
manner of your address to your putative<br>
students lacks a good deal. (and I don't know why the editor
decided to start using bold face but<br>
it is easier to read).<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> I, not gracious?!
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Yeah, I was talking about the recent conduct of you, the one in the
mirror. But I wasn't offended, just amused about the sheer cheek of it.
As I continue to be.</pre>
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And I was attempting and failing as I so often do at light
humor.<br>
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And I am amused that an expert in Linux and one supposes other <br>
systems has lost the ability to read a story that relates in one
paragraph <br>
how a problem was found and resolved.<br>
<br>
Constantly amused by young men who feel the need to instruct<br>
the aged on matters of courtesy, And yes I am likely 20 or 30 years<br>
older than you are. Further I was raised on farms in my childhood<br>
and worked in my parents' restaurants later on and learned to<br>
do some nursing care in my youth as well as radiation monitoring<br>
and reactor chemistry. I lost my positions in the 1960s because<br>
in those days it was legal to fire anyone who was queer. I<br>
survived doing the best I could like the sister in the blues<br>
song after my nursing jobs went away in the 1970s.<br>
<br>
When I was young computers were people who sat at<br>
desks and did calculations for scientists. Geeks were the<br>
lowest level of carnival workers who might be displayed<br>
in cages as they bit the heads off of live chickens Now <br>
computers are machines and do the work for people like <br>
myself who could never learn to type fast enough to find<br>
work in that field. And no geeks are required to bite<br>
the heads off live chickens but may have to study<br>
hard to keep up whatever geekery they espouse..<br>
<br>
Bobbie Sellers - When I reminisce many people say <br>
that I am living in the past and I can only agree because<br>
the rent is so much cheaper there and my money as well<br>
as myself goes so much further.<br>
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