<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Just saying: <a href="http://www.linuxmce.org/">http://www.linuxmce.org/</a></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jun 15, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Tom Haddon wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:30 -0700, John Reilly wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">This is really more an issue about content owners trying to control when <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and how you watch their content, in this case NBC.  If people really <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">care about watching NBC content at a time that is convenient to them, <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">they should complain to NBC - they are really the ones whose "mind" you <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">need to change regarding drm use.<br></blockquote><br>Yes and no. How are NBC implementing this? In this case, Microsoft are<br>implementing it for them, despite it not being legal (I don't mean to<br>say what they're implementing is illegal - I don't pretend to know<br>enough about the legal issues to know). So the question is, why are they<br>doing that? If NBC were a big a powerful company and Microsoft were a<br>small and un-influential company you could argue it was all NBC's doing.<br>But that's not exactly the situation here. There's no reason why<br>Microsoft should be "bullied" into doing this by NBC... So again, why<br>are they doing it?<br><br>I agree that NBC should be complained to to figure out why they're doing<br>this, but unless Microsoft is as well, what's to stop them from doing<br>similar agreements with other companies?<br><br>Just my 2c.<br><br>Tom<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">just my 2c<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">jr<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">jim wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">from defective by design... <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-------- Forwarded Message --------<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: DBD <<a href="mailto:sitehelp@defectivebydesign.org">sitehelp@defectivebydesign.org</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Reply-To:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:reply-1-204-439815-00c0379c98e1e5b268b06b6829a0c1dad48e619c-jim=well.com@defectivebydesign.org">reply-1-204-439815-00c0379c98e1e5b268b06b6829a0c1dad48e619c-jim=well.com@defectivebydesign.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To:  james  stockford <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Boycott Windows Media Center<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:31:08 -0400<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">===================================================================<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> DefectiveByDesign.org DefectiveByDesign.org DefectiveByDesign.org<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">===================================================================<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Boycott Windows Media Center<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Take action:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">  * Digg the BadVista.org blog post:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">    <<a href="http://digg.com/microsoft/Don_t_give_Microsoft_the_remote_control_fight_against_DRM">http://digg.com/microsoft/Don_t_give_Microsoft_the_remote_control_fight_against_DRM</a>>.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Microsoft is using DRM to prevent users from saving certain television<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">shows to their hard drive. Saving such streams is a normal feature<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that comes with Windows Media Center, but they have locked you out of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">it for NBC television shows and others. They claim that they are just<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">following FCC regulations -- but the Second Circuit Court of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Appeals ruled that the FCC has no authority to make such<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">regulations. The truth is Microsoft is just power hungry and making<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">use of DRM wherever and whenever they can in order to secure media <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">deals for themselves and lock in their customers.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">BadVista.org is covering the story on their blog, asking users to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">abandon Microsoft products. To help, we are putting out this call for<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a boycott of Windows Media Center. When broadcast flags spell out DRM,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">then we've got to put our foot down.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">sf-lug mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:sf-lug@linuxmafia.com">sf-lug@linuxmafia.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug</a><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>sf-lug mailing list<br><a href="mailto:sf-lug@linuxmafia.com">sf-lug@linuxmafia.com</a><br><a href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Paul Ward</div><div><a href="mailto:dssstrkl@gmail.com">dssstrkl@gmail.com</a></div><div><br></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>