[sf-lug] Who *was* sflug.org, sf-lug/sflug on 'da Interwebs ... : Re: Domain administration (broken WHOIS)

[Michael Paoli]

Who *was* sflug.org

~2008--~2011:
S.F.L.U.G: The Southern Fleurieu Linux Users Group
https://web.archive.org/web/20081121025609id_/http://sflug.org/
https://web.archive.org/web/20110904172932id_/http://sflug.org/

~2018:
STUDENTS FOR LIBERTY UGANDA
https://web.archive.org/web/20180809212654id_/http://sflug.org/

Other SFLUG found on 'da Interwebs:

SFlug:
https://www.twitter.com/sflug (account suspended)

South Florida Linux Users Group (SFLUG)
http://www.meetup.com/South-Florida-Linux-Users-Group-FLUX/

https://www.meetup.com/SFLUG-San-Francisco-Linux-Users-Group/ redirects to:
https://www.meetup.com/SFBayLUG/ was formerly Silicon Valley Linux User Group.
... San Francisco ... SVLUG requested ... re-name ... still committed  
to holding Meetups in the South Bay as well

(if one is curious ... baylug.org - Bay Area LEGO® Users' Group,
not to be confused with balug.org)

And, by comparison - "SF-LUG" - 7* of the top 10 "hits" are references
to the existing SF-LUG(.org), the other 3* are non-Linux references.

*unless you want to also count cr*p data that references the
www.sf-lug.org company and it's 16 employees, then it's 8 out of 10.

Next 10 "hits" on "SF-LUG" - 4 of 10 are references to SF-LUG(.org),
the others aren't Linux references.

Anyway, stuff to (also) consider regarding domain(s) one wants to use,
what one wants for the canonical, etc.

> From: Al <awsflug at sunnyside.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Domain administration (broken WHOIS)
> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 15:43:43 -0700

> sflug.org - Rick mentioned that it was available so I grabbed it.  
> I've learned not to wait on those things - it often doesn't end well.
> Now I'll just sit back and listen to the conversation and wait and  
> see if anyone actually wants to use it.  I don't need to own it.  I  
> can
> also "point" it somewhere.  Doesn't seem yet that there's a definite  
> movement to do anything with it anyway.
> For what it's worth I share Rick's opinions on Meetups.  If someone  
> must have RSVP, then there are open source alternatives that aren't  
> invasive and controlling the way Meetup is.
>
> Al
>
> On 4/6/2019 15:26, Michael Paoli wrote:
>> Thanks. Yeah, per relevant technical standards/policies & such,
>> that certainly would be at least (semi-)broken.
>>
>> I'll poke around the Joker interface sometime soon-ish (at
>> least hopefully), and see if I can "fix" that.
>> And, yep, may be fallout from GDPR.
>>
>> I should recheck the whois & config stuff I have access to for
>> the domains I have & support (a couple of my own domains, plus
>> multiple[L]UG domains).  "Worst case" I ought catch/fix that
>> around renewal times ... but hopefully I get to it well before
>> then.  :-)  (hmmm... 3 different registrars I currently deal with).
>>
>> Egad, ... and it's a bloody web form thingy.  I think that's
>> even more annoying than those "privacy" email thingies.
>> And ... dear knows if they work - form probably just takes the
>> data and maybe tells you it took it okay.  After that ... dear
>> knows.
>>
>>> From: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com>
>>> Subject: Domain administration (broken WHOIS)
>>> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 01:38:00 -0700
>>
>>> and so I set out to remind myself who owns & administers the existing
>>> domains, by looking at the public WHOIS contacts?  You're way ahead of
>>> me, right?  You can probably guess what I'm about to say next.
>>>
>>>
>>> $ whois -h whois.joker.com sf-lug.com
>>> Domain Name: sf-lug.com
>>> Registry Domain ID: 123972386_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
>>> Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.joker.com
>>> Registrar URL: https://joker.com
>>> Updated Date: 2018-05-04T14:25:58Z
>>> Creation Date: 2004-07-02T21:17:46Z
>>> Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2019-07-02T21:17:46Z
>>> Registrar: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH d/b/a joker.com
>>> Registrar IANA ID: 113
>>> Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at joker.com
>>> Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +49.21186767447
>>> Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
>>> https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
>>> Registrant Organization: San Francisco Linux User Group
>>> Registrant Country: US
>>> Registrant Email: https://csl-registrar.com/contact/sf-lug.com/owner
>>> Admin Email: https://csl-registrar.com/contact/sf-lug.com/admin
>>> Tech Email: https://csl-registrar.com/contact/sf-lug.com/tech
>>> Name Server: ns.primate.net
>>> Name Server: ns1.linuxmafia.com
>>> Name Server: ns1.sf-lug.com
>>> DNSSEC: signedDelegation
>>> URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form:
>>> https://www.icann.org/wicf/
>>>>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2019-04-06T08:28:25Z <<<
>>> $
>>>
>>>
>>> $ whois -h whois.joker.com sf-lug.org
>>> Domain Name: sf-lug.org
>>> Registry Domain ID: D104593649-LROR
>>> Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.joker.com
>>> Registrar URL: https://joker.com
>>> Updated Date: 2018-05-04T05:30:34Z
>>> Creation Date: 2004-07-02T21:17:47Z
>>> Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2019-07-02T21:17:47Z
>>> Registrar: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH d/b/a joker.com
>>> Registrar IANA ID: 113
>>> Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at joker.com
>>> Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +49.21186767447
>>> Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
>>> https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
>>> Registrant Organization: San Francisco Linux User Group
>>> Registrant State/Province: CA
>>> Registrant Country: US
>>> Registrant Email: https://csl-registrar.com/contact/sf-lug.org/owner
>>> Admin Email: https://csl-registrar.com/contact/sf-lug.org/admin
>>> Tech Email: https://csl-registrar.com/contact/sf-lug.org/tech
>>> Name Server: ns.primate.net
>>> Name Server: ns1.svlug.org
>>> Name Server: ns1.sf-lug.org
>>> Name Server: ns1.linuxmafia.com
>>> DNSSEC: signedDelegation
>>> URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form:
>>> https://www.icann.org/wicf/
>>>>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2019-04-06T08:27:21Z <<<
>>> $
>>>
>>>
>>> Who's Registrant, and how does one get in contact with him/her?
>>> Who's Tech Contact, and how does one get in contact with him/her?
>>> Who's Admin Contact, and how does one get in contact with him/her?
>>>
>>> Same answer to all three questions:  It's a secret.  Nobody's permitted
>>> to know.
>>>
>>>
>>> Given that Joker.com aka CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH is in
>>> Düsseldorf, Germany, this may very well be a GDPR-driven blunder imposed
>>> on the domain owner.  Irrespective of that, IMO it's important for
>>> whoever administers these domains to un-hide the WHOIS contacts, so that
>>> the WHOIS record becomes once again usable for its intended purpose.
>>> ASAP.
>>>
>>> Or follow the path of least resistance, do nothing about broken WHOIS,
>>> and be prepared to hear 'I told you so' when badness happens because the
>>> domain's principals cannot be identified and contacted.