From maestro415 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 16:49:32 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:49:32 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG Weekly meeting reminders for Wednesday Oct 8 and Thursday
 Oct 9
In-Reply-To: <5431C442.9010706@dslextreme.com>
References: <5431C442.9010706@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2tePfP+nsf=FyDh5T696Bn-eOdtLKkcxohwnBuhZ0P8hQg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for continuing to post this Bobbie...
Looks like the SF-LUG mailist is without reanimation?
I have been in remote location sans com.'s for last week...
Appreciate it...


Message ends.
________________

On Sunday, October 5, 2014, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
wrote:
> The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
> list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)
>
>         bliss
>
>         ==================================
>
> The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing
classroom.
>
> Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in
San Francisco.
>
> Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net
>
> Joseph
>
>         ==================================
>
>     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others is
holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...
>
> When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays
>
> Where: Downtown S.F.
> 1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
> WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)
>
> Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk
>
> Access: Wheelchair accessible
> BART => Civic Center
> MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,
>
> or just walk through beautiful S.F.
>
> Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on
premises.
>
> Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.
>
>     Thanks for your attention!
>         Maestro
>

-- 

*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Oct  6 21:17:47 2014
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:17:47 -0700
Subject: Shellshock problem is actually in C library?  [Re: SF-LUG -
	Meeting of Sunday October 5, 2014]
In-Reply-To: <5431C319.5080305@dslextreme.com>
References: <5431C319.5080305@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20141006211747.6766206rqc74kuv4@webmail.rawbw.com>

Shellshock problem is actually in C library?

Hmmmm, I'd not heard/read that (but haven't been following it super closely).

If so, depending what C library and how widely used that could be even
more scary.

Teensy bit of search, and I did find:
https://github.com/ido/macosx-bash-92-shellshock-patched/blob/master/bash-3.2/lib/sh/getcwd.c
But nothing more generally definitive.  I did read somewhere, that after
the shellshock revelation, many folks looked more closely and carefully
at bash, and discovered numerous other vulnerabilities (and at least last
I read/heard, many of them haven't been publicly disclosed ... yet).  I
seem to recall seeing/reading a list of CVEs, or the like, some of which
didn't yet have descriptions, etc. - on embargo yet pending pending public
disclosure (probably when patches will also mostly be announced and
released).


> From: "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
> Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting of Sunday October 5, 2014
> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 15:15:53 -0700

> Klaus Knopper put out 2 new versions of Knoppix over the last week  
> or so.  He was trying to stay ahead  of the "Shellshock" problem  
> which Ken says is actually in C library.



From jstrazza at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 10:42:37 2014
From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:42:37 -0700
Subject: Is the sf-lug website up?
In-Reply-To: <543FFAE5.3000802@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1413481357.14157.YahooMailBasic@web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Bobbie,

I posted to the lug about 15 mins ago, but have not seen anything...Could you post the following?

Thanks

John

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For Sale:

Dell Optiplex 755 computer, duo-core 2.33GHz, with 2 or 4 GB of RAM and video card which can support two monitors

computer/kb/mouse/powercord/video cable - $20.00
No HD or Monitor

I can bring to club meeting on Nov 2nd - I have 10 computers available (maybe more)

Sorry for the sales pitch, but everyone could use a backup machine

John

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--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 10/16/14, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Is the sf-lug website up?
 To: "John F. Strazzarino" <jstrazza at yahoo.com>
 Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014, 10:05 AM
 
 
 On
 10/16/2014 09:52 AM, John F. Strazzarino wrote:
 > Just wondering if the web site is up.?
 Want to post more computers that i have and wasn't sure
 if it is up.? If not, is Rich Moen still on vacation?? If
 so, he must be having a heck of a good time
 >
 > John
 >
 >
 
 ? ???<http://www.sf-lug.org/>
 
 ? ???Is up but the
 mailing list is done afaik.
 
 ? ???If you cannot figure out a way
 to post to that site send me a list 
 and I
 will forward it to the
 people who willing to
 be correspondents.
 
 ?
 ???By the way Eric was looking for you at the
 last meeting and wanted 
 to express
 his appreciation in person.
 
 ? ???Bobbie
 
 
 


From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 15:32:36 2014
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:32:36 -0700
Subject: 2 free computer monitors, LCD variety
In-Reply-To: <54401229.20205@dslextreme.com>
References: <54401229.20205@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20141016223234.GD30303@gmail.com>

Perfect to go along with your new computer which came without a monitor.

I don't know the resolution. I believe they both have DVI and VGA interfaces.

Pick up on Treasure Island.


On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:44:57AM -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 	John Strazzarino want you all to know that that he has these
> available.  One or more computers available in various configurations.
> 	Please contact John for further information
> 
> 	bliss
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> For Sale:
> 
> Dell Optiplex 755 computer, duo-core 2.33GHz, with 2 or 4 GB of RAM
> and video card which can support two monitors
> 
> computer/kb/mouse/powercord/video cable - $20.00
> No HD or Monitor
> 
> I can bring to club meeting on Nov 2nd - I have 10 computers
> available (maybe more)
> 
> Sorry for the sales pitch, but everyone could use a backup machine
> 
> John F. Strazzarino <jstrazza at yahoo.com>
> 	


From jim at well.com  Sun Oct 19 13:18:59 2014
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:18:59 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG - SF-LUG mailing list.
In-Reply-To: <5443DA91.3060704@dslextreme.com>
References: <5443DA91.3060704@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <54441CB3.4030403@well.com>


I sent email to Rick asking what's his guestimate
when the linuxmafia.com box will appear again.


On 10/19/2014 08:36 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
> On 10/19/2014 08:25 AM, John Strazzarino wrote:
> > It appears that the mailing list is still down as I tried to post to 
> it the other day.  Also, the SF-lug.org page is up but you get a not 
> found error when clicking on the mailing list tab.
> >
> > Any idea when this will be up?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
>
>
>     Well John I have not heard anything.  Maybe someone on the
> list has better information so I am posting your query and my
> response to that list.
>
>     By the way my test for the mailing list was equally
> negative.  What a pain.
>
>     Bobbie
>



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Tue Oct 21 09:38:03 2014
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:38:03 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG Re:Debian UPDATES (Debian 7.7 - & images available at
	BALUG today ...)
In-Reply-To: <544542BD.1060109@dslextreme.com>
References: <544542BD.1060109@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20141021093803.20425hpzq673ghkw@webmail.rawbw.com>

Yes, I updated 6 Debian hosts from 7.6 to 7.7 on this past Sunday, and
with Jigdo, updated my ISO images from 7.6 7.7 (and then seeded
BitTorrent with the freshly updated ISOs).

I'll be at BALUG today (there's a glitch with some of the BALUG archives
at present, so, can also be seen here):
http://bad.debian.net/pipermail/bad/2014-October/003644.html
and will have these images at that meeting:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
And if one has unused CD-R 650M* or 700M* media, or CD-RW media, I can
still use those to put Debian on them.  All Debian CD images still fit
on that "650M*" size.
*actually 666,000 KiB & 720,000 KiB capacities, to be precise.

references/excerpts:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2014/msg00008.html
https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20141018
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigdo
http://bad.debian.net/pipermail/bad/2014-October/003644.html
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc


> From: "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
> Subject: SF-LUG Re:Debian UPDATES
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:13:33 -0700

> I thought some of the users might be interested in this announcement.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Debian Project                               https://www.debian.org/
> Updated Debian 7: 7.7 released                          press at debian.org
> October 18th, 2014             https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20141018



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Wed Oct 22 12:08:31 2014
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:08:31 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG: Ubuntu Release party, SF this Th; & SF Bay Area Open
	Source/Linux Events
Message-ID: <20141022120831.570775w6hel363zk@webmail.rawbw.com>

Ubuntu 14.10 Utopic Unicorn Release Party - San Francisco, Th evening

Strongly recommended to RSVP if one wants to attend (and be fed!):
http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2912-san-francisco-utopic-release-party/


I'll also remind folks, there is:
SF Bay Area Open Source/Linux Events
https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=caj9iea2ol69b7n2uqdek4ocso%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles

That may continue to be especially useful while:
The BALE -- Bay Area Linux Events
http://www.linuxmafia.com/bale/
is still unavailable

https://web.archive.org/web/20140719065945/http://linuxmafia.com/bale/



From JStrazza at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 08:25:18 2014
From: JStrazza at yahoo.com (John Strazzarino)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 08:25:18 -0700
Subject: SF lug mailing list
Message-ID: <D409DC21-2EA6-4B95-BF2A-68ECB86428D4@yahoo.com>

It appears that the mailing list is still down as I tried to post to it the other day.  Also, the SF-lug.org page is up but you get a not found error when clicking on the mailing list tab.

Any idea when this will be up?



Sent from my iPad

From JStrazza at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 10:44:20 2014
From: JStrazza at yahoo.com (John Strazzarino)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:44:20 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG  meets on Sunday November 2, 2014
In-Reply-To: <544E623D.4030309@dslextreme.com>
References: <544E623D.4030309@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <24DA49B9-8293-4099-87CB-D106AEF76A5A@yahoo.com>

Strike up the band!  I will be at the meeting along with some of the Dell 755s I'm selling; if you're interested.

John

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 27, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
>  SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
> and every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
> at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.
> 
>    These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
> year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
> and frequently we can help but if not we can usually find someone
> who can.
> 
>    I will have the latest copy of Linux Pro magazine described in
> a previous post.
> 
>    In addition I have Ubuntu 14.10 if you want a copy let me know
> ASAP.
>    Recently a new distribution of GParted was released in versions
> for i486, i686. and x86_64.  If any one has a use for the iso files
> all 3 should fit on a CD.  Otherwise I will be making a working copy
> of the x86_64 version for my own use.  If you are running an old
> single core Pentium or earlier let me know and I will make a working
> disk for you.
>    I got both the above through the Distrowatch.com site if you
> don't want to wait.
>    Lots of spins of the new 'buntu coming out, too many to
> explicate here.
> 
>    Only real news is that this AM I got Thunderbird and Firefox latest versions both at 31.2.0.  Both went on as easy as typing this
> note.  No problems afaik with anything.
> 
>    Hope to see you next Sunday.
> 
>    Bobbie Sellers
> 
>    


From Kenneth_C_Shaffer at comcast.net  Sat Nov  1 20:31:04 2014
From: Kenneth_C_Shaffer at comcast.net (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 20:31:04 -0700
Subject: Reminder of end of Daylight Saving Time and Return to Pacific
 Standard Time.
In-Reply-To: <545586D2.6040806@dslextreme.com>
References: <545586D2.6040806@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1414899064.2972.3.camel@tosi>

I have a 32bit Compaq C300 laptop with Ubuntu 14.04.1 on its internal
60G disk which needs a new home.  Free to anyone who wants it-- I'll
bring it to the meeting.  The keyboard and display are in good shape,
since it was mostly used with an external keyboard and display.
Battery's not so great, but is still good for about an hour.  No
carrying case for it, so bring your own.
Ken




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Sun Nov  2 08:26:36 2014
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 08:26:36 -0800
Subject: [SF-LUG] - Linux/Unix, timezones, DST & Summertime & not, etc.
	(was: Reminder of end of Daylight Saving Time and Return to Pacific
	Standard Time.)
In-Reply-To: <545586D2.6040806@dslextreme.com>
References: <545586D2.6040806@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20141102082636.1976578k60hyzhss@webmail.rawbw.com>

And, if one wants fair bit more background on time and timezones,
and DST & Summertime & not and conversions and history and all that
for Linux and/or Unix, might want to have a peek at these:
http://buug.org/pipermail/buug/2007-November/002960.html
http://buug.org/pipermail/buug/2007-March/002887.html

> From: "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
> Subject: Reminder of end of Daylight Saving Time and Return to  
> Pacific Standard Time.
> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 18:20:18 -0700

> Hi LUGgers,
>
> 	John reminded me to remind you all.
>
> 	Bobbie
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	Daylight savings time
> Date: 	Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:16:50 -0700
> From: 	John <jstrazza at yahoo.com>
> To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
>
>
> Might want to remind the group about daylight savings time tonight
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>





From maestro415 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 16:50:11 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:50:11 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG -Meeting notes for Meeting of Sunday November 2, 2014
In-Reply-To: <5456C12A.1050800@dslextreme.com>
References: <5456C12A.1050800@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2teN8VtJ3FfRBokXLYOFX0FhKefgGhB+vFC521GFW2K_1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey mama penguin,
With my guiltless truancy from the meeting I am passing this along to be
passed along and then possibly passed along...

Please feel free to add any in that you feel work well and will benefit
ALL...


<http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=133640&PageSpeed=noscript>


Message ends.
________________






On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
wrote:
> Hi LUGgers,
>
>  `      I arrived about 10:45 AM and found John S. and his wife here
first.
>         Cafe Enchante was very crowded.  Initially I set up my notebook
on one on the smaller round tables with John across from me using his
> iPad.  Lat4r on I moved across the isle to another table and we we able
> to pull up a square table which accommodate 3 people and someone, (John
then Tom) across from me.
>         Ken and his wife showed up by 11:00
> Then Joseph P. came in subdued in mood.  He seemed to enjoy close
> perusal of the two Linux Pro magazines I brought in.
>   John S. left briefly to transfer some of his inexpensive Dell tower
computers to Greg,
> Jacky B came in with a problem and to try out the Compaq notebook
> that Ken is  giving up.  She came in with walking pneumonia (a practice
no nurse could recommend) and came just because she said she would.
> I can respect that very much.
>
>   Later I made a copy of PC Linux 2014.08 for John S, to install on his
new batch of machines.
>
>   Jim Stockford showed up before 11:45,
>
>   Eric showed up right at Noon.
>
>   Ken and his wife left about 12:09
>
>   John S. and wife left about 12:25
>
>   Tom T. showed up after 12:30 and was given a couple of copies
> of disks that I could vouch for.  He had a little trouble getting
> online with the Lubuntu(may be incorrect) that is his main
> distribution.  I could not find the utility for getting that
distribution   online so he switched to Kubuntu and I was able to advise
him,
>
>   Jim and some others as well as myself discussed the problem
> of getting the mailing list running again.  It seems Rick Moen
> computer on which he was running several lists failed about
> the time he was gone from his home.  It is low on his priorities
> at the present time.
>
>   I suggested supplying him with a replacement machine from
>  John's stock of salvaged towers but no one seemed very
>  interested.  Jim pointed out that getting the mailing list(s) up and
>  running again would involve lots of effort to salvage the old
>  address lists and so forth.  It would mean additional bandwidth
> and electrical costs as well.
>
>   This was a pretty good meeting.
>
>   Thanks to everyone who showed up.
>
>   Jim gave myself, Eric and Joseph P. a ride first to the
>   Frankenart  shop/gallery on Balboa where they had free
>   frankfurters today.  Jim and Eric enjoyed these treats.
>   Jim then dropped me at home before 1:45 PM.
>
>   The next meeting will be on November 17 in the evening.
>   The regular notice will be posted about the 10th of the month.
>
>         Please if the participants could advise me and the rest
> of the list of any errors on my part or or emendations, do via
> the reply to all option in your mailer.  That means that every
> member receiving mail will have the correction faster than
> I could re-mail it.
>
>         Bobbie Sellers .
>
>

-- 

*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
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From jstrazza at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 15:16:50 2014
From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:16:50 -0700
Subject: Daylight savings time 
Message-ID: <A9D13423-E9ED-49A8-8034-DA34574E6F07@yahoo.com>

Might want to remind the group about daylight savings time tonight 

John

Sent from my iPhone


From JStrazza at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 19:19:43 2014
From: JStrazza at yahoo.com (John Strazzarino)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 19:19:43 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG -Meeting notes for Meeting of Sunday November 2, 2014
In-Reply-To: <5456C12A.1050800@dslextreme.com>
References: <5456C12A.1050800@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <208B4BCD-7FBD-4933-AB78-578D5004C861@yahoo.com>

Thanks for the copy of pclinuxOS 2014.  However, as you mentioned, it takes a long time to install and it seems to run slower than 2013 version.

Anyway, thanks for the copy

John


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 2, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi LUGgers,
> 
> `    I arrived about 10:45 AM and found John S. and his wife here first.
>    Cafe Enchante was very crowded.  Initially I set up my notebook on one on the smaller round tables with John across from me using his
> iPad.  Lat4r on I moved across the isle to another table and we we able
> to pull up a square table which accommodate 3 people and someone, (John then Tom) across from me.
>    Ken and his wife showed up by 11:00
> Then Joseph P. came in subdued in mood.  He seemed to enjoy close
> perusal of the two Linux Pro magazines I brought in.
>  John S. left briefly to transfer some of his inexpensive Dell tower computers to Greg,
> Jacky B came in with a problem and to try out the Compaq notebook
> that Ken is  giving up.  She came in with walking pneumonia (a practice no nurse could recommend) and came just because she said she would.
> I can respect that very much.
> 
>  Later I made a copy of PC Linux 2014.08 for John S, to install on his new batch of machines.
> 
>  Jim Stockford showed up before 11:45,
> 
>  Eric showed up right at Noon.
> 
>  Ken and his wife left about 12:09
> 
>  John S. and wife left about 12:25
> 
>  Tom T. showed up after 12:30 and was given a couple of copies
> of disks that I could vouch for.  He had a little trouble getting
> online with the Lubuntu(may be incorrect) that is his main
> distribution.  I could not find the utility for getting that distribution   online so he switched to Kubuntu and I was able to advise him,
> 
>  Jim and some others as well as myself discussed the problem
> of getting the mailing list running again.  It seems Rick Moen
> computer on which he was running several lists failed about
> the time he was gone from his home.  It is low on his priorities
> at the present time.
> 
>  I suggested supplying him with a replacement machine from
> John's stock of salvaged towers but no one seemed very
> interested.  Jim pointed out that getting the mailing list(s) up and
> running again would involve lots of effort to salvage the old
> address lists and so forth.  It would mean additional bandwidth
> and electrical costs as well.
> 
>  This was a pretty good meeting.
> 
>  Thanks to everyone who showed up.
> 
>  Jim gave myself, Eric and Joseph P. a ride first to the
>  Frankenart  shop/gallery on Balboa where they had free
>  frankfurters today.  Jim and Eric enjoyed these treats.
>  Jim then dropped me at home before 1:45 PM.
> 
>  The next meeting will be on November 17 in the evening.
>  The regular notice will be posted about the 10th of the month.
> 
>    Please if the participants could advise me and the rest
> of the list of any errors on my part or or emendations, do via
> the reply to all option in your mailer.  That means that every
> member receiving mail will have the correction faster than
> I could re-mail it.
> 
>    Bobbie Sellers .
>    


From jstrazza at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 22:15:41 2014
From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 22:15:41 -0800
Subject: Mailing List Post
Message-ID: <1415168141.49581.YahooMailBasic@web121606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Please post this to the mailing list..

Thanks

John

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The letter from the editor in the latest issue of Linux Magazine has a wonderful article about how Radio Shack is fading and suggests that 
Radio Shack focus on becoming the best location for Linux Computers and linux-compatible accessories.  It is certainly food for thought.
Any further thoughts?

John


http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2014/167/Welcome/%28language%29/eng-US




From maestro415 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 13:29:13 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:29:13 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG Weekly meeting reminders for Wednesday November 12 and
 Thursday November 13, 2014
In-Reply-To: <5460E727.1010307@dslextreme.com>
References: <5460E727.1010307@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2td0RPWWinMJ=rA+Zuarx0pCjLR=DDpCHvNp9BPgCjibvw@mail.gmail.com>

My fault...
This thur. there will be NO Linux Sys.Admin class/group meeting.
It will resume the following week...
Thanks...


Message ends.
______________

On 11/10/14, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or
> emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
> list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)
>
> 	bliss
>
> 	==================================
>
> The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge
> on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing
> classroom.
>
> Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in
> San Francisco.
>
> Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net
>
> Joseph
>
> 	==================================
>
>      The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others
> is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...
>
> When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays
>
> Where: Downtown S.F.
> 1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
> WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)
>
> Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk
>
> Access: Wheelchair accessible
> BART => Civic Center
> MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,
>
> or just walk through beautiful S.F.
>
> Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on
> premises.
>
> Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.
>
>      Thanks for your attention!
> 	Maestro
>


-- 


*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*


From seameadowlake at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 17:07:12 2014
From: seameadowlake at gmail.com (Tom Tt)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:07:12 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG
Message-ID: <CADP_e3KOv30zkyvs4nh3N8A9=gJ9mHG3EeOw1JEm3Ub=xX_bFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bobbie,
Thanks again for providing me with DVDs containing Linux Distros.  Have
used the Kubuntu and PCLinuxOS DVDs, and a friend used the Boot Repair CD.

Please add me to the SF-LUG mail list:  My email address is
seameadowlake at gmail.com

Had not heard of DSLExtreme until I saw your email address.  I went to the
website and it looks like a good product and much cheaper than the U-verse
I now use.  Are you satisfied with DSLExtreme, and do you  recommend I
switch to DSLExtreme from U-verse?

On this machine, a Dell D620 Core-2-Duo with 1.5 GB of RAM, am using
PCLinuxOS with both KDE and LXDE.   Installed LXDE last night and hope that
PCLOS/LXDE will use fewer resources than PCLOS/KDE.
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From seameadowlake at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 09:47:51 2014
From: seameadowlake at gmail.com (Tom Tt)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:47:51 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Monday 17th November meeting at Cafe Enchante.
In-Reply-To: <54662064.7070504@dslextreme.com>
References: <54656891.1010309@dslextreme.com>
	<CADP_e3+q_hH9L9g9jxvx96AX0YQvm41xcvxa5tGFwxt2J56PEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<54662064.7070504@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CADP_e3KBuKcF84FApRekqQ24Zq5HKCH3rxOv7LKGPdN4MkZhuA@mail.gmail.com>

Bobbie,
Thanks for your reply.  I'm debating if I should be cc or bcc.  Yes I'm
familiar with bcc.  A temp agency was sending emails to their cadre of
temps, about timecards with everyone just cc, and I objected to having my
email address broadcast to strangers that way and requested they use bcc
instead.  Thereafter, the agency made everyone bcc.  Am glad to know I can
be bcc here.  For networking cc is good, for privacy, bcc is also good.
Tom

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Bobbie Sellers <
bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
> On 11/13/2014 11:04 PM, Tom Tt wrote:
>
>> Bobbie,
>> Thanks for the reminder for the next meeting on Monday Nov 17, 2014.
>> Just a note, my email address doesn't show in the list of recipients.
>> Just "Tom" at seameadowlake @ gmail.com
>>
>     Is that not your e-mail address?  I just copied it from your e-mail
>
>> Also, I don't see Eric on the list of recipients.
>> Thanks - Tom
>>
>
>         Well Tom some people on the list are bcc or blind carbon copy and
> that
> is the category I accidentally set on your e-mail address.  Now as to the
> what you see that may be controlled by the mailer you are using.  My
> Thunderbird only shows the name and a start if the sender is already in
> your contact list.
>     I have changed your listing to cc: or simple carbon copy.
>     Future mailing will reflect that.
>
>     I hope this reply helps you.
>     Bobbie
>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Bobbie Sellers <
>> bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>>           hi LUGgers,
>>>                  Well I was able to get a copy of the latest Linux Pro
>>> magazine.  The two-sided Disk of the Month features Knoppix 7.4 for
>>> 32 and 64 bit machines and PC Linux OS 2014.08 in the Full Monty
>>> version for 64 bit machines.
>>>          Knoppix has been of use to me already. It just gets better.
>>>          I don't care too much for the Full Monty but it runs well
>>> on high specification machines with lots of ram and video ram.
>>> I installed it last year for a friend with some experience and
>>> after a few weeks of helping him a bit it has been satisfactory
>>> to this time.
>>>
>>>          It features a YouTube Jukebox on the cover and lots of stuff
>>> about Cloud Computing.
>>>          The Raspberry PI B+ is reviewed.
>>>          Several other topics are covered including a forensic disk
>>> imager
>>> called Guymager.
>>>
>>>          Nearly forgot!  Does anyone have an address for Lex Rudis?
>>>
>>>          And a new member is on the mailing list who was at the last
>>> meeting on Sunday the 2nd of November.
>>>
>>>          Hope to see you all at the meeting.
>>>
>>>          Bobbie Sellers
>>>
>>>
>
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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Fri Nov 14 12:20:36 2014
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:20:36 -0800
Subject: [to SF-LUG list folks] BALUG: Tu 2014-11-18: Michael Paoli on
	Rockbox @ Henry's Hunan - 110 Natoma St.
In-Reply-To: <54656891.1010309@dslextreme.com>
References: <54656891.1010309@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20141114122036.724240634mqz906c@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG: Tu 2014-11-18: Michael Paoli on Rockbox @ Henry's Hunan - 110  
Natoma St.

------------------------------

items, details further below:
BALUG meeting 2014-11-18: Michael Paoli on Rockbox @ Henry's Hunan -  
110 Natoma St.
giveaways (CDs/DVDs, ...)
Got venue? (projector/screen ...)
Last meeting this year, & 2015 meeting dates
volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your experience & resume!)
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2014-11-18 BALUG meeting:

We have a (mini-)presentation/demo from Michael Paoli on Rockbox[1][2].
Rockbox is free Open Source replacement firmware and software for many
digital audio players.  Rockbox offers many enhanced and additional
capabilities not available on the firmware/software provided by these
digital audio players.  Michael will be providing demonstrations on a
SanDisk Sansa Fuze[3] v2.  A partial listing of just some of what
Rockbox additionaly makes available on this device:
   audio channel configuration, many additional modes/settings:
     Karaoke, Stereo Width, Crossfeed
     EQ - 10 band, peak and high and low shelf filters, save/load presets
     dithering, timestretch, compressor
   sleep timer, alarmclock
   recording - 9 frequency settings, 4 file formats, file splitting by
     size/time, sound activation, gain & monitor volumes
   124 themes, 98 fonts
   audio/recording metering
   36 Games: frozen-bubble, chess, Mastermind, Doom, Go, maze, Pong,
     sliding puzzle, solitaire, sudoku, ...
   21 apps: calculator, calendar, clock, md5sum, metronome, pitch
     detector, resistor, paint, stopwatch ...
   demos: oscilloscope, life, vu_meter
   text viewer, editor, (loadable UTF-8) virtual keyboard, Morse code
     input mode
   voice - talking audio menus
   music database - many additional views and can be customized
   dual boot, limit USB access, connect to USB & continue playing

Note also that this is our last meeting this year (see also further
below).

1. http://www.rockbox.org/
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sansa_Fuze

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                         rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and our venue plan for the meeting and accommodations, so please
let us know.

    6:30pm Tuesday, November 18th, 2014 2014-11-18
    Henry's Hunan Restaurant
    110 Natoma St. (between 2nd & New Montgomery)
    San Francisco, CA 94105-3704
    1-415-546-4999
    http://www.henryshunanrestaurant.com/
    Easy Transit/Parking Access: short walk from BART, MUNI, parking
       Trip planning:  http://www.511.org/

Delicious Hunan cuisine and reasonably priced.

Meeting Details...

Cost/Dining:
     The meetings are always free, but dinner is not (unless you are our
     guest speaker, in which case we also treat you to dinner).  For
     Henry's Hunan Restaurant, if folks are agreeable, we'll share and
     dine "family" style, and split up the costs, and typical cost per
     person including tax and tip (but not including beverages beyond
     complementary tea) would be in the $13.00 to $17.50 range, and
     commonly around $15.00 to $16.50.  Cash may be preferred to ease
     splitting up the check.  One can also specifically order the
     dish(es) one needs/prefers (e.g. for dietary considerations) - and
     we also commonly order some dish(es) that may meet various dietary
     considerations) (e.g. vegetarian, non-pork, ...).  Please arrive by
     7:00 P.M., we expect to order entrees at that time, and may order
     appetizer(s) and/or soup(s) anytime after 6:30 P.M.

------------------------------

We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
likely have at least the below plus additional items.

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details (and the inventory
(qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does
also frequently change).

------------------------------

Last meeting this year, & 2015 meeting dates

2014-11-18 is our last meeting for 2014 (we'll skip December, as we
typically do).  For 2015, please note our meeting dates (almost always
3rd Tuesday):
2014-11-18 2014-12-16 2015-01-20 2015-02-17 2015-03-17 2015-04-21
2015-05-19 2015-06-16 2015-07-21 2015-08-18 2015-09-15 2015-10-20
2015-11-17 ...
Be sure to check http://www.balug.org/ and/or watch our announcements
for updates, location and details, etc.

------------------------------

Got venue?

We can use your help on leads (and follow-up) for venue!  Certainly feel
free to discus on our "talk[1]" list.  See also the earlier item[2] on
our admin list that gives fair overview of what we're hopefully looking
to find as for venue.  We could certainly use a venue that works well
for speakers/presenters (e.g. projector & screen), can handle fair sized
crowds (to 30 or more, ideally to over 100 as we sometimes have), is
reasonably economical and consistent across varying attendance sizes
(e.g. same location or very close in part of same facility), and where
dinner/food/beverages are either available at such a presentation
facility, or very close by.  IF YOU HAVE LEADS ON SPECIFIC VENUE(s) BE
SURE TO DROP US A NOTE!: balug-contact at balug.org - and can of course
also mention/discuss it on our "talk[1]" list.  And much thanks for
leads/contacts, useful ideas, follow-up on that, etc. that will get us
to our future venue(s)!

Henry's Hunan Restaurant - 110 Natoma St. can handle us well in most
regards for dining and up to fair size crowd, but we have no
screen/projector nor PA capabilities there, so for talks/presentations,
only the less formal, smaller, and without projected "slides" would
work there.  (But in the meantime, the food there is really yummy!)

We also expect to announce any and all venue changes reasonably well in
advance (week(s) to month or more), so folks have reasonable time to
prepare/adjust and aren't (too) "surprised" and so folks don't have last
minute changes sprung on them.

1. http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org
2.  
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2014-July/001504.html

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)

Not only can you do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG,
but it can also be a way to gain useful and practical experience, and
could also be something to add to or round out one's resume.

There a quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us
at a meeting and/or drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o assist on publicity
o chief/assistant cat herder
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
     quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
     would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Tue Nov 18 08:48:08 2014
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:48:08 -0800
Subject: [to SF-LUG list folks] REMINDER: TODAY!: BALUG: Tu 2014-11-18:
	Michael Paoli on Rockbox @ Henry's Hunan - 110 Natoma St.
In-Reply-To: <20141114122036.724240634mqz906c@webmail.rawbw.com>
References: <54656891.1010309@dslextreme.com>
	<20141114122036.724240634mqz906c@webmail.rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20141118084808.91925xeggafhmcws@webmail.rawbw.com>

REMINDER: TODAY!: BALUG: Tu 2014-11-18: Michael Paoli on Rockbox @  
Henry's Hunan - 110 Natoma St.

------------------------------

items, details further below:
BALUG meeting 2014-11-18: Michael Paoli on Rockbox @ Henry's Hunan -  
110 Natoma St.
giveaways (CDs/DVDs, ...)
Got venue? (projector/screen ...)
Last meeting this year, & 2015 meeting dates
volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your experience & resume!)
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2014-11-18 BALUG meeting:

We have a (mini-)presentation/demo from Michael Paoli on Rockbox[1][2].
Rockbox is free Open Source replacement firmware and software for many
digital audio players.  Rockbox offers many enhanced and additional
capabilities not available on the firmware/software provided by these
digital audio players.  Michael will be providing demonstrations on a
SanDisk Sansa Fuze[3] v2.  A partial listing of just some of what
Rockbox additionaly makes available on this device:
   audio channel configuration, many additional modes/settings:
     Karaoke, Stereo Width, Crossfeed
     EQ - 10 band, peak and high and low shelf filters, save/load presets
     dithering, timestretch, compressor
   sleep timer, alarmclock
   recording - 9 frequency settings, 4 file formats, file splitting by
     size/time, sound activation, gain & monitor volumes
   124 themes, 98 fonts
   audio/recording metering
   36 Games: frozen-bubble, chess, Mastermind, Doom, Go, maze, Pong,
     sliding puzzle, solitaire, sudoku, ...
   21 apps: calculator, calendar, clock, md5sum, metronome, pitch
     detector, resistor, paint, stopwatch ...
   demos: oscilloscope, life, vu_meter
   text viewer, editor, (loadable UTF-8) virtual keyboard, Morse code
     input mode
   voice - talking audio menus
   music database - many additional views and can be customized
   dual boot, limit USB access, connect to USB & continue playing

Note also that this is our last meeting this year (see also further
below).

1. http://www.rockbox.org/
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sansa_Fuze

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                         rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and our venue plan for the meeting and accommodations, so please
let us know.

    6:30pm Tuesday, November 18th, 2014 2014-11-18
    Henry's Hunan Restaurant
    110 Natoma St. (between 2nd & New Montgomery)
    San Francisco, CA 94105-3704
    1-415-546-4999
    http://www.henryshunanrestaurant.com/
    Easy Transit/Parking Access: short walk from BART, MUNI, parking
       Trip planning:  http://www.511.org/

Delicious Hunan cuisine and reasonably priced.

Meeting Details...

Cost/Dining:
     The meetings are always free, but dinner is not (unless you are our
     guest speaker, in which case we also treat you to dinner).  For
     Henry's Hunan Restaurant, if folks are agreeable, we'll share and
     dine "family" style, and split up the costs, and typical cost per
     person including tax and tip (but not including beverages beyond
     complementary tea) would be in the $13.00 to $17.50 range, and
     commonly around $15.00 to $16.50.  Cash may be preferred to ease
     splitting up the check.  One can also specifically order the
     dish(es) one needs/prefers (e.g. for dietary considerations) - and
     we also commonly order some dish(es) that may meet various dietary
     considerations) (e.g. vegetarian, non-pork, ...).  Please arrive by
     7:00 P.M., we expect to order entrees at that time, and may order
     appetizer(s) and/or soup(s) anytime after 6:30 P.M.

------------------------------

We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
likely have at least the below plus additional items.

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details (and the inventory
(qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does
also frequently change).

------------------------------

Last meeting this year, & 2015 meeting dates

2014-11-18 is our last meeting for 2014 (we'll skip December, as we
typically do).  For 2015, please note our meeting dates (almost always
3rd Tuesday):
2014-11-18 2014-12-16 2015-01-20 2015-02-17 2015-03-17 2015-04-21
2015-05-19 2015-06-16 2015-07-21 2015-08-18 2015-09-15 2015-10-20
2015-11-17 ...
Be sure to check http://www.balug.org/ and/or watch our announcements
for updates, location and details, etc.

------------------------------

Got venue?

We can use your help on leads (and follow-up) for venue!  Certainly feel
free to discus on our "talk[1]" list.  See also the earlier item[2] on
our admin list that gives fair overview of what we're hopefully looking
to find as for venue.  We could certainly use a venue that works well
for speakers/presenters (e.g. projector & screen), can handle fair sized
crowds (to 30 or more, ideally to over 100 as we sometimes have), is
reasonably economical and consistent across varying attendance sizes
(e.g. same location or very close in part of same facility), and where
dinner/food/beverages are either available at such a presentation
facility, or very close by.  IF YOU HAVE LEADS ON SPECIFIC VENUE(s) BE
SURE TO DROP US A NOTE!: balug-contact at balug.org - and can of course
also mention/discuss it on our "talk[1]" list.  And much thanks for
leads/contacts, useful ideas, follow-up on that, etc. that will get us
to our future venue(s)!

Henry's Hunan Restaurant - 110 Natoma St. can handle us well in most
regards for dining and up to fair size crowd, but we have no
screen/projector nor PA capabilities there, so for talks/presentations,
only the less formal, smaller, and without projected "slides" would
work there.  (But in the meantime, the food there is really yummy!)

We also expect to announce any and all venue changes reasonably well in
advance (week(s) to month or more), so folks have reasonable time to
prepare/adjust and aren't (too) "surprised" and so folks don't have last
minute changes sprung on them.

1. http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org
2.  
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2014-July/001504.html

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)

Not only can you do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG,
but it can also be a way to gain useful and practical experience, and
could also be something to add to or round out one's resume.

There a quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us
at a meeting and/or drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o assist on publicity
o chief/assistant cat herder
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
     quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
     would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------



From jasonstone at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 11:34:06 2014
From: jasonstone at gmail.com (jason stone)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:34:06 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Mikki back & Bill Hill.
In-Reply-To: <546F935C.6020101@dslextreme.com>
References: <546F935C.6020101@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CACAKMwyr2tnLuGo+ruVxuHEh=+dB5TDd3ouMijhLsGPc-TBYTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bobbie

Would you mind removing me from these direct emails?  Many thanks!

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Bobbie Sellers <
bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Mikki,
>         You and Bill have been added to my template,
>         SF-LUG mailing list is down at the present time.
>         It may come back eventually but we cannot say
> anything positive about it.
>
>         Next Monday meeting will not be until December 15th.
>
>         Bobbie
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:        re-establishing contacts
> Date:   Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:36:49 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> From:   Mikki <mikkimc at earthlink.net>
> Reply-To:       Mikki <mikkimc at earthlink.net>
> To:     bill hill <aropoika at gmail.com>, bobbie sellers <
> bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
>
>
> Hi, All
>
> "bill hill" <aropoika at gmail.com>,
> "bobbie sellers\" <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>,
> "LUG  group" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>,
>
> Bill says his computer lo longer receives messages from the LUG group.
>
> I said I would dig out my record, and forward the addresses to him. Aslo,
> contact Bobbi, and let her add him to her temp. data base.
>
> I also have issues with computer (when ever not???),  and may show up the
> next Monday night meeting.
>
> I see that Bobbi might help, getting my account over to DSL Extreme only -
> I have them for online, but I am running a complicated system that I don't
> like - DSL-Earthlink- and want to go over to only DSL, and get my WiFi
> working again, and get a password set up with DSL.  Don't know how.
> Businesses confuse me.
>
>
> Bless All
>
> Mikki
>
>
>
>
>
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From mikkimc at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 21 10:36:49 2014
From: mikkimc at earthlink.net (Mikki)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:36:49 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: re-establishing contacts
Message-ID: <22604742.1416595010064.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi, All

"bill hill" <aropoika at gmail.com>, 
"bobbie sellers\" <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>, 
"LUG  group" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>, 

Bill says his computer lo longer receives messages from the LUG group.  

I said I would dig out my record, and forward the addresses to him.  Aslo, contact Bobbi, and let her add him to her temp. data base.  

I also have issues with computer (when ever not???),  and may show up the next Monday night meeting.  

I see that Bobbi might help, getting my account over to DSL Extreme only - I have them for online, but I am running a complicated system that I don't like - DSL-Earthlink- and want to go over to only DSL, and get my WiFi working again, and get a password set up with DSL.  Don't know how.  Businesses confuse me.  


Bless All

Mikki




From jim at well.com  Mon Nov 24 09:15:53 2014
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:15:53 -0800
Subject: Request to join the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <CAGBYV2Ui9vPbjfzezpzaXu3JL8TVStWK-CvqUbu+CPxmXLcohQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGBYV2Ui9vPbjfzezpzaXu3JL8TVStWK-CvqUbu+CPxmXLcohQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547367C9.8050004@well.com>


     the host for the sf-lug mailing list is down
and the owner is out of the country. So we're
out of luck until the owner returns to fix the
machine. I've copied Bobbie so she can add
you to the temporary mailing list she's
cooked up.
     welcome. our next meeting is Sunday,
December 7 from 11 to 1 PM and after that
on the evening of Monday, December 15,
from 6 to 8 PM at the Cafe Enchante on the
corner of Geary and 26th.



On 11/22/2014 07:17 PM, Michael Rojas wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> My name is Michael Rojas.  I am a resident of SF and came across the 
> website for the Linux Users Group for SF.
>
> I'm interested in joining the mailing list, but the link on the 
> website isn't working correctly.
>
> I see that the meetings are near my house on Geary and 26th--I hope to 
> see you there in the near future.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> -Mike-
>



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Fri Nov 28 21:11:06 2014
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:11:06 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Maestro needs advice on a 32 bit distribution of
	Linux
In-Reply-To: <54794231.8050506@dslextreme.com>
References: <54794231.8050506@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20141128211106.60663aqo0id696ww@webmail.rawbw.com>

So, I'm curious, what exactly contraindicates Debian testing
other than "besides debian"?

Seems to me debian i386 *testing* may well meet what I seem to infer
of your requirements (e.g. "rolling release", 32 bit, etc.).

I've known of some large environments that ran (and likely still run)
Debian testing on user's workstations/laptops, and Debian stable on
servers.

references/excerpts:
https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/
http://cfnarede.com.br/sites/default/files/infographic_debian-v2.1.en.png
(on the above image, note the unstable/testing/stable towards the left,
and the "intended for" column near the right)

> From: "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
> Subject: SF-LUG - Maestro needs advice on a 32 bit distribution of Linux
> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:49:05 -0800

> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	/686.box
> Date: 	Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:11:43 -0800
> From: 	maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com>
> To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
>
> Will you PLEASE forward this to the current list you have?...
>
> I have an older 686(32bit) Toshi laptop with need of a distro...
> I want stable, rolling release, fast, clean, & installed on the
> internal hard drive...
> release distro besides debian (or lighter crunch bang) which I LOVE to



From maestro415 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 15:11:43 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:11:43 -0800
Subject: /686.box
Message-ID: <CANe-2tct4jhUAfbCeOkfP0NtxFMiM-DKf59sFexPu7rNS7b35Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey bobbie,
Will you PLEASE forward this to the current list you have?...
I appreciate you...
Thanks...

Hail info holders...
I have an older 686(32bit) Toshi laptop with need of a distro...
I am guilty of being out of the loop with the CURRENT best distros in
this architecture...
I want stable, rolling release, fast, clean, & installed on the
internal hard drive...
On boot via main power button it gives:
"Invalid partition table" when attempting to boot certain distros,
others boot through to recognize & print iso version on one line only.
I booted a distro someone gave me called Haran's (Heren's) which
booted up fine & has a mini-distro of RIP Linux...
It loaded files remotely, offered to search & setup network,
recognizes wifi networks, lists directories in the terminal, offered
to setup partitions, & recognised partitions with fdisk...
This is encouraging...
Now I'd appreciate your sounding off to a nice, fast, clean, rolling
release distro besides debian (or lighter crunch bang) which I LOVE to
install on this box...
Thanks in advance...


Message ends.
_______________


-- 


*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*


From Kenneth_C_Shaffer at comcast.net  Thu Dec  4 20:54:08 2014
From: Kenneth_C_Shaffer at comcast.net (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:54:08 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting of Sunday December 7, 2014
In-Reply-To: <547CB72A.2080407@dslextreme.com>
References: <547CB72A.2080407@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1417755248.3682.1.camel@tosi>

Hi All,
My HP V3100 laptop's third motherboard finally cooked itself, so it's
freely available to anyone (along with the first two motherboards).
I took out the hard disk, and the DVD has been replaced with a 
second disk caddy (one with the PATA laptop interface, SATA
for the disk in the caddy).  Power supply and 64bit AMD Turion
T52 all good as far as I know. Lots of other good parts.
  Laptop still boots, but smellslike something is burning.
  The other two motherboards failed when the solder pads cracked
on the Nvidia peripheral controller chip (a common problem).  
They may be fixable with a heat gun to reflow the chip solder.
I tried once and failed, probably didn't apply enough heat.
I'll bring it to the Sun. meeting.
Ken



From JStrazza at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 20:33:05 2014
From: JStrazza at yahoo.com (John Strazzarino)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 20:33:05 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting of Sunday December 7, 2014
In-Reply-To: <1417755248.3682.1.camel@tosi>
References: <547CB72A.2080407@dslextreme.com> <1417755248.3682.1.camel@tosi>
Message-ID: <B552672C-1911-4EA4-8159-77978E5F013B@yahoo.com>

I will be bringing along for sale a Dell Optiplex 755 slim desktop with 2 GB of ram,kb,mouse,power cord
$20.  It works fine

Also have a 120GB installed in machine for additional $20 with pclinuxOS 2013.

See ya Sunday 

Sent from my iPad



From grantbow at ubuntu.com  Sat Dec  6 17:30:23 2014
From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:30:23 -0800
Subject: Call for elections ubuntu-us-ca
Message-ID: <CA+aHvNoUsWKB7L2AfVm7-4p3fiO9NNijV33HY4W9+s7_tyeRLA@mail.gmail.com>

Who do you know that might want to run?
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2014-December/002540.html

Cheers,
Grant
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From grantbow at ubuntu.com  Sat Dec  6 18:57:03 2014
From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 18:57:03 -0800
Subject: Call for elections ubuntu-us-ca
In-Reply-To: <5483B600.40601@dslextreme.com>
References: <CA+aHvNoUsWKB7L2AfVm7-4p3fiO9NNijV33HY4W9+s7_tyeRLA@mail.gmail.com>	<5483B600.40601@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CA+aHvNoRF7TcmmGuLg7u6Zjcfy_A+pJn7LS5ex4iR-+L0M_qFA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes please, and please consider running! :-)


On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com
> wrote:

>
> On 12/06/2014 05:30 PM, Grant Bowman wrote:
>
>> Who do you know that might want to run?
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2014-December/002540.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Grant
>>
>>
>     Do you want me to forward this to the list?
>
>     Bobbie
>
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From jim at well.com  Sun Dec  7 21:13:55 2014
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:13:55 -0800
Subject: Computer working again.
In-Reply-To: <5484EB58.2030801@dslextreme.com>
References: <5484EB58.2030801@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <54853393.7060806@well.com>



     Thank you Bobbie. I didn't seem too poorly
today, did I? I no longer wonder why things
work sometimes and not others.

     Thank you for the explanation that walking
tells my body it can need rest. I've found that
walking in fresh air stimulates my tho'ts.

     Rick's current usable email address is
rick at svlug.org
     I'm willing to hand over the machine I bought
from John today to Rick if that will help him get
the LinuxMafia domain host working. I'm also
willing to try to design and install some kind of
electrical protection circuit that might prevent
reccurences of damage from electrical mishaps.



On 12/07/2014 04:05 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>         Hope you will feel better soon,
>     I tried the Boot Repair disk again and this time, connected 
> online, BRd worked
> apparently.
>
>     As long as it is working let me remind you you need to go for a 
> walk which
> should help you rest at night.
>     The fresh air alone should help clear your head.
>
>     And if you want me to put Rick on the SF LUG list let me know
> the address.
>
>     Good evening.
>
>     Bobbie
>



From maestro415 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 14:33:52 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:33:52 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Weekly meetings of SF-LUG on Wednesday 10 December and
 on Thursday 11 December.
In-Reply-To: <548659F1.3010206@dslextreme.com>
References: <548659F1.3010206@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2tfPe2Eeqnp+AHYm1=2xtfM0EVFf7vLNfHZ6nH4AwA7u-w@mail.gmail.com>

hiya bobbie,
would you please remove the:
> "Thanks for your attention!"
> Maestro
@ bottom of our weekly meeting announcement...

as always, greatly appreciate you sending it out 'there>>>***'


thanks...


message ends.
_____________

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com
> wrote:

>
> The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or
> emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
> list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)
>
>     bliss
>
>     ==================================
>
> The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge
> on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing
> classroom.
>
> Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in
> San Francisco.
>
> Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net
>
> Joseph
>
>     ==================================
>
>     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others is
> holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...
>
> When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays
>
> Where: Downtown S.F.
> 1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
> WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)
>
> Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk
>
> Access: Wheelchair accessible
> BART => Civic Center
> MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,
>
> or just walk through beautiful S.F.
>
> Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on
> premises.
>
> Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.
>
>     Thanks for your attention!
>     Maestro
>



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From maestro415 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 11:51:41 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:51:41 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Weekly meetings of SF-LUG on Wednesday 10 December and
 on Thursday 11 December.
In-Reply-To: <5489203D.9030704@dslextreme.com>
References: <548659F1.3010206@dslextreme.com>
	<CANe-2tfPe2Eeqnp+AHYm1=2xtfM0EVFf7vLNfHZ6nH4AwA7u-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5489203D.9030704@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2tfqMExC5CqetxybFoiL4+mokxDAPwY5Mwm2MEYga7xDsw@mail.gmail.com>

yes please thank you...


message ends.
_____________

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Bobbie Sellers <
bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
> On 12/10/2014 02:33 PM, maestro wrote:
>
>> hiya bobbie,
>> would you please remove the:
>>
>>> "Thanks for your attention!"
>>> Maestro
>>>
>>
>     I took off the Thanks line, do you want me to delete Maestro as well?
>
>     On another topic I have a number of 32 bit distributions which were
> checksumed and tested by booting.
>     I have Fedora 21 Jam with  a strong KDE platform. i686,
>     also PC Linux OS 2014.08 32 bit, Mageia 4.1 i586 and a disk
> of 'buntus in 32 bit form from the Linux Pro magazine earlier
> this year.
>     I also spun out a 32 bit Boot Recovery Disk which is a
> distribution limited to repair based on Lubuntu which is
> frequently said to be the best 'buntu.
>
>     Well I will have them at the next meeting on Monday the 15th at the
> Cafe Enchante.
>
>     `[Big Snip]
>
>     Good night.
>     Bobbie
>



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From Kenneth_C_Shaffer at comcast.net  Fri Dec 12 20:33:02 2014
From: Kenneth_C_Shaffer at comcast.net (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:33:02 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Weekly meeting of SF-LUG on Dec 7
In-Reply-To: <548659F1.3010206@dslextreme.com>
References: <548659F1.3010206@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1418445182.3979.3.camel@tosi>

Jim had a question about the best Python GUI, and I suggested tcl/tk, so
I thought I'd pass along a simple example which takes two args, a window
title, and a question, printing out the result.  Not a perfect example,
as the numbers returned don't seem to go anywhere.

./tstwin.py "Last Election Question" "Did you vote?"

Put the below into an executable file tstwin.py:

#!/usr/bin/python
import sys
import tkMessageBox

#root=Tk()

# Make sure the args exist before using them
def main():
  if len(sys.argv) >= 3:
     retval = mywin(sys.argv[1], sys.argv[2])
  elif len(sys.argv) == 2:
     retval = mywin(sys.argv[1])
  else:
     retval = mywin()
  return retval

def mywin(title="My question", body="Is it working yet?"):
  if tkMessageBox.askyesno(title, body) == 1:
    print "Got a yes"
    return 1
  else:
    print "Nope"
    return 2

if __name__ == '__main__':
  main()




From akleider at sonic.net  Sun Dec 14 10:00:02 2014
From: akleider at sonic.net (Alex Kleider)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:00:02 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Weekly meeting of SF-LUG on Dec 7
In-Reply-To: <1418445182.3979.3.camel@tosi>
References: <548659F1.3010206@dslextreme.com> <1418445182.3979.3.camel@tosi>
Message-ID: <c3f75ba479b8b8438c2af7e7efb808d3@sonic.net>

On 2014-12-12 20:33, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> Jim had a question about the best Python GUI, and I suggested tcl/tk, 
> so
> I thought I'd pass along a simple example which takes two args, a 
> window
> title, and a question, printing out the result.

Nice.

By 'Jim', I assume you are referring to Jim Stockford.  In case anyone 
interested in Python doesn't already know of its existence, mention 
should be made of the tutor at python.org mailing list to which Jim alerted 
me long ago.  It's populated by knowledgeable and very helpful people. 
Anyone with Python questions would be well advised to direct themselves 
there (after reading "how to ask questions[1]" of course:-)

[1] http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
(co-authored by our very own Rick Moen)


From akleider at sonic.net  Tue Dec 16 17:19:40 2014
From: akleider at sonic.net (Alex Kleider)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:19:40 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - need a present for a kid who might be interested in
 =?UTF-8?Q?computers=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <5490D036.3080807@dslextreme.com>
References: <5490D036.3080807@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <f0c56a88bee91c9f4cf867014ec8a735@sonic.net>

On 2014-12-16 16:37, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> The Kano kit is a box full of an assemble-it-yourself Raspberry Pi
> computer, everything but a display.  For some reason I found it hard
> to read the site but it costs $149.99  It has its own OS, Kano OS
>     <http://www.kano.me/kit>
>     The keyboard has no shift-lock key.  it is quite different, puts 
> the
> touch pad to the side.
> 
>         Well I hope that some find this data useful.
> 
>     bliss

I have one.  If there is enough interest, I'd be pleased to bring it to 
a meeting for people to see 'in person.'  Sameer's daughter, Mira, also 
has one.  He might be on your mailing list, I'm not sure.

Alex


From akleider at sonic.net  Tue Dec 16 18:01:11 2014
From: akleider at sonic.net (Alex Kleider)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:01:11 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Re:Kano computer kit.
Message-ID: <201412170201.sBH21BBm025604@d.mail.sonic.net>

Perhaps he and Mira would also agree to come and we could have two of them to demonstrate.On Dec 16, 2014 5:57 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> Alex K.? sent me this note and I am forwarding to you all so 
> that if their is interest you can express it/ 
>
> On 2014-12-16 16:37, Bobbie Sellers wrote: 
> > The Kano kit is a box full of an assemble-it-yourself Raspberry Pi 
> > computer, everything but a display.? For some reason I found it hard 
> > to read the site but it costs $149.99? It has its own OS, Kano OS 
> >???? <http://www.kano.me/kit> 
> >???? The keyboard has no shift-lock key.? it is quite different, puts the 
> > touch pad to the side. 
> > 
> >???????? Well I hope that some find this data useful. 
> > 
> >???? bliss 
>
> I have one.? If there is enough interest, I'd be pleased to bring it to 
> a meeting for people to see 'in person.'? Sameer's daughter, Mira, also 
> has one.? He might be on your mailing list, I'm not sure. 
>
> Alex 
>
> Sameer is on the list. 
>
> Bobbie 
>

From maestro415 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 21:04:59 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:04:59 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting at Cafe Enchante on December 15, 2014
In-Reply-To: <549067AB.8050104@dslextreme.com>
References: <549067AB.8050104@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2tei_TJ1N4GehDiW4H+H_NZuvUM_1n3mu6Cas=wPfkWQtw@mail.gmail.com>

Quoting bobbie s.:
> This was the final meeting at the Cafe Enchante in 2014.
> Next meeting at the Cafe Enchante will be on Sunday, December 4. 2015.

Taking the year off are we or making it an annual LTS?...

;-)


Message ends.
_________________

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
wrote:
> Hi LUGgers,
>         Well it was a small meeting but high quality.
>         I got my notebook setup about 5:55 PM.
> 1800 Michael Paoli showed up and in a few minutes, Michael Rojas
> 1810 Maestro showed up
> 1830 Josep Puig came in.
> Maestro brought along his older 32 bit notebook and I gave him the
> 32 bit disks or recent distributions he was interested in.
> But he had a problem with his machine and it resisted booting
> from most CDs or Flash drives so we all got involved in the
> problem.  Finally seemed to be an old BIOS or hardware problem.
>         We could not fix it but if it can be fixed Maestro has
> plenty of various 32 bit Linux distributions to try on it.
>         Michael Rojas was interested in the distribution I use
> Mageia 4.1 from last year and I demonstrated the main line
> Fedora 21 with it Gnome-like interface.  Then I showed off
> my own installation of Mageia and briefly demonstrated
>  PCLOS Full Monty.  Micheal Rojas took Mageia 4.1
>  and Fedora 21 disks home along with a recent edition of
>  Linux Pro magazine.
>         As it chanced Jim Stockford was feeling too ill to
> get to the meeting and so informed me in a phone call
> Monday afternoon.
>         At 8 PM the meeting was adjourned though the two
> Michaels were still talking about one and another thing,
> including other LUG meetings and the new group interested
> in software controlled radio,
>         Michael P. had brought along a lot of disks and several books,
> one on Ubuntu and the other relating to Cloud Administration.  I think
> Michael Rojas may have taken one or the other.
>
>         If I neglected anything important I am sure the attendees will
> be willing to remind me.
>
>         This was the final meeting at the Cafe Enchante in 2014.
>         Next meeting at the Cafe Enchante will be on
>  Sunday, December 4. 2015.
>         I will send a regular announcement out on the 29th December
unless factors beyond my control prevent.
>
>         Happy Holidays!
>
>         Bobbie Sellers
>

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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Dec 15 16:04:00 2014
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:04:00 -0800
Subject: I should be at SF-LUG meeting today, ... CDs/DVDs/ISOs/, books,
	...
In-Reply-To: <c3f75ba479b8b8438c2af7e7efb808d3@sonic.net>
References: <548659F1.3010206@dslextreme.com>
	<1418445182.3979.3.camel@tosi> <c3f75ba479b8b8438c2af7e7efb808d3@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <20141215160400.20686nojdynznu04@webmail.rawbw.com>

I expect I'll be at the SF-LUG meeting today.

Have some books to give away (see:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/berkeleylug/YFk-F3WZlOA
)
also have CDs/DVDs/ISOs, see:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc



From jstrazza at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 17 22:30:35 2014
From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:30:35 -0800
Subject: My Xmas Gift
In-Reply-To: <54919E8A.20204@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1418884235.42055.YahooMailBasic@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Santa arrived a bit early for me.  I purchased a Raspberry Pi B+ kit from Amazon and it arrived today.  I ordered the kit, so I would not need to get anything else.

Raspberry Pi B+
Case
Power Supply
Memory Card
HDMI cable
Wireless USB card

Plugged it all in and fired it up.  It loaded menu and asked which version of the OS I wanted to load.  I chose the somewhat standard Raspberry Wheezy.  It took about 10 minutes to load the OS onto the memory card and then the familiar Raspberry logo appeared.  I plugged in the wireless card, configured it with the included utility, and I was wirelessly surfing in no time!

Now, time to play and learn.

John





From maestro415 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 16:08:39 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:08:39 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
In-Reply-To: <549AED79.9070407@dslextreme.com>
References: <549AD718.7070507@dslextreme.com>
	<CANe-2tcs0RgnpODmoZfgEWAUcCfAgBvx29ziiq8KG-x4hBS5NA@mail.gmail.com>
	<549AED79.9070407@dslextreme.com>
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>It keeps me off the streets & trying to get "geek-speak" out of strangers
>who have no idea what a checksum is or the difference between Kilobytes,
>Megabytes and Gigabytes, ram, rom or eeprom

checksum = letting others know there is five-0 in the area
kilobytes = snack
megabytes = proper grub
gigabytes = fucking funny food

ram = kickass dodge truck
rom = romulon
eeprom= what the kids are dropping @ prom these days (and knights)


message ends.
_____________

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Bobbie Sellers <
bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
> On 12/24/2014 08:26 AM, maestro wrote:
>
> Thanks for keeping a nice welcoming home for us to come to in our travels
> year round mama penguin...
> Rock steady...
>
>
>     You are welcome.
>     It keeps me off the streets & trying to get "geek-speak" out of
> strangers
> who have no idea what a checksum is or the difference between Kilobytes,
> Megabytes and Gigabytes, ram, rom or eeprom.
>
>     bliss
>
>
>
> Message ends.
> ________________
>
> On Wednesday, December 24, 2014, Bobbie Sellers <
> bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> > Happy Holidays!!
> >
> > Celebrate 'em if you got 'em!
> >
> >         Oh, yes! Remember to have a
> >  Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year in 2015!
> >
> > bliss
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> *~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
>
>
>


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From JStrazza at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 08:08:50 2014
From: JStrazza at yahoo.com (John Strazzarino)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:08:50 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
In-Reply-To: <549AD718.7070507@dslextreme.com>
References: <549AD718.7070507@dslextreme.com>
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Thanks Santa Bobbie,

Don't forget the January  4th meeting!  I'll have my Xmas toy with me for show-n-tell ...Raspberry Pi model B+

John

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 24, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
> Happy Holidays!!
> 
> Celebrate 'em if you got 'em!
> 
>    Oh, yes! Remember to have a
> Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year in 2015!
> 
> bliss
> 


From maestro415 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 08:26:50 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:26:50 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
In-Reply-To: <549AD718.7070507@dslextreme.com>
References: <549AD718.7070507@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2tcs0RgnpODmoZfgEWAUcCfAgBvx29ziiq8KG-x4hBS5NA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for keeping a nice welcoming home for us to come to in our travels
year round mama penguin...
Rock steady...


Message ends.
________________

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014, Bobbie Sellers <
bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Happy Holidays!!
>
> Celebrate 'em if you got 'em!
>
>         Oh, yes! Remember to have a
>  Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year in 2015!
>
> bliss
>
>

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From maestro415 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 21:41:32 2014
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 21:41:32 -0800
Subject: /falafrickinlah
Message-ID: <CANe-2tffyBRfgpYhHq3qBrtUDoxemtgOTr8izVD06zgiaJ0b=w@mail.gmail.com>

Linux Sys. Admin class/group is off tbeir rockers til after the new year
Thu. 2015.08.01 ...
Just a heads up no need to even post...
Thanks as always...
Happy New Year...


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From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:14:59 -0800
Subject: Fwd: It's a gift (not a newsletter) ; and an offer from SF-LUG
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Here I've forwarded to y'all what O'Reilly sent me today.
I've painstakingly copied each of your email addresses
into the To: fields that Thunderbird presents (I'm sure
there's a better way, but I'm lazy today). Scroll down
and click the "this page" link to download a free e-book
(after you provide your info to the O'Reilly marketing team).

A couple of meetings ago, a few SF-LUG folks agreed to
purchase some old box in good working order and with
sufficient resources to host a MailMan system. Rick, if
this offer will help you, please let us know: we're willing
to find, vet, purchase, and deliver. I'm interested in
seeing if I can provide an electrical processing system
that can protect your machines from over- and under-
voltage mishaps.

jim
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime



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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:14:59 -0800
Subject: Fwd: It's a gift (not a newsletter) ; and an offer from SF-LUG
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Here I've forwarded to y'all what O'Reilly sent me today.
I've painstakingly copied each of your email addresses
into the To: fields that Thunderbird presents (I'm sure
there's a better way, but I'm lazy today). Scroll down
and click the "this page" link to download a free e-book
(after you provide your info to the O'Reilly marketing team).

A couple of meetings ago, a few SF-LUG folks agreed to
purchase some old box in good working order and with
sufficient resources to host a MailMan system. Rick, if
this offer will help you, please let us know: we're willing
to find, vet, purchase, and deliver. I'm interested in
seeing if I can provide an electrical processing system
that can protect your machines from over- and under-
voltage mishaps.

jim
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime



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Here I've forwarded to y'all what O'Reilly sent me today.
I've painstakingly copied each of your email addresses
into the To: fields that Thunderbird presents (I'm sure
there's a better way, but I'm lazy today). Scroll down
and click the "this page" link to download a free e-book
(after you provide your info to the O'Reilly marketing team).

A couple of meetings ago, a few SF-LUG folks agreed to
purchase some old box in good working order and with
sufficient resources to host a MailMan system. Rick, if
this offer will help you, please let us know: we're willing
to find, vet, purchase, and deliver. I'm interested in
seeing if I can provide an electrical processing system
that can protect your machines from over- and under-
voltage mishaps.

jim
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime



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From rick at deirdre.net  Tue Dec 30 13:56:21 2014
From: rick at deirdre.net (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:56:21 -0800
Subject: It's a gift (not a newsletter) ; and an offer from SF-LUG
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	<54A315D3.7090107@well.com>
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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

> A couple of meetings ago, a few SF-LUG folks agreed to
> purchase some old box in good working order and with
> sufficient resources to host a MailMan system. Rick, if
> this offer will help you, please let us know: we're willing
> to find, vet, purchase, and deliver. I'm interested in
> seeing if I can provide an electrical processing system
> that can protect your machines from over- and under-
> voltage mishaps.
>

Hey, thanks to all of you for the lovely and thoughtful offer.

Thing is, I actually do have a bunch of hardware sitting in my garage.  At
least one of them is very likely a functional 1U or 2U rackmount server,
which is the right sort of thing to use.  (Many desktop boxes have things
about them that make them unsuitable, such as many desktop machines' ATX
power supplies not being able to be configured to bring the machine back up
without manual intervention when the power returns after a power outage.)

Just before I went on my last vacation, I moved the hard drives from my
server from the failed VA Linux Systems model 2230 to a spare model 2230.
To my relief, I got video and was able to boot an Aptosid live CD.  Even
better, I was able to mount my server system's partitions, verified that
they were readable, and update my backups of everything.  Thus, at that
point, I was no longer in danger of having to revert to an old backup.

Using the live CD, I then attempted to fix the software problems that were
the _other_ issue aside from failed hardware.  (To recap, I had been doing
system updates, and (skipping some details) the system segfaulted in the
middle of the system software upgrade. I cold booted, but there was from
that point forward no video at all, nor beeps, i.e., it acted as if I'd had
failure of the motherboard or other key system hardware.)   I was not able
to find a way to make the system bootable through some hours of
experimentation - was getting some bizarre GRUB errors - and had to defer
the matter because I had to leave to catch our flight to Barbados.  So, I
powered down the machine.

When I got back from Barbados, I found something perplexing:  I heard the
system fan running, and saw the blue power light on the front panel, i.e.,
it was powered up (even though I'd left the system powered down).  However,
despite that, there was no video.  Cold booting the system resulted in...
no video.  This was really bizarre.  The symptom suggested that there had
been a power outage during my time in the Caribbean, and upon the return of
power, my system had come online (I hadn't unplugged it, just powered it
down), and that there had then been a second and similar hardware failure.
But this seemed like an implausible coincidence, as perhaps you would agree.

Time and experimentation and use of careful logic can get to the bottom of
the matter.  I just haven't lately had the patience to do that, and have
been quite busy with other commitments in the meantime.  Sooner or later, I
_do_ plan on sitting out in my very cold garage for as long as it takes.  I
certainly could give up on debugging the VA Linux Systems gear, and just
attempt to build from scratch a replacement software configuration on one
of the other spare machines I have.  I'd prefer not to do that, because
building a new server configuration instead of just tracking down the one
software problem that made my system unbootable is a LARGE amount of extra
work.

And, thus, you'll notice, the resource I'm short on is not machines, but
rather time, patience, and focus on the problem.

About over/under-voltage:  Last year, concerned about that very thing, I
set about dealing with that.  First thing I did was to buy an APC UPS unit
over at Central Computer.  However, this never seemed like really the right
solution, just the commercially easy thing to acquire:  A UPS isn't
actually very great at dealing with power fluctuations (and sometime is
useless at that, depending on the type), and also interposes a new single
point of failure in the form of a big lead-acid battery that can, itself,
bring down your system.  Also, the UPS generates quite a bit of heat, which
bloats your PG&E bill, and you have to buy replacement lead-acid battery
packs every few years, which are a large percentage of the cost of the
entire UPS, each time you have to buy them.

What the UPS mostly does - the problem that it exists to solve - is bridge
you across short-duration outages, making it so you don't lose power and
have continuous uptime.  Continuous uptime is abstractly nice, but is the
thing I care least about:  Linux servers come right back up after power
returns.  That's what we have journaled filesystems for.  So, given that
fact, why would I want to put a continually expensive, heat-producing,
potentially problematic bit of hardware between the AC outlet and my unit,
one that isn't even very good at line regulation, and that can be a Single
Point of Failure that otherwise wouldn't exist?

In short, I have not been in a hurry to deploy the UPS, because it's mostly
a solution to the wrong problem, a solution to a problem I don't care about
very much.  On reflection, I realised that the right solution is a line
conditioner unit, not a UPS.  And I don't mean the miserable rubbish you
can get at Fry's, either.  The problem was:  Where do you get a line
conditioner of the variety that people acquire who are serious about the
problem?

Last summer, I solved that problem:  I went to the De Anza College
Electronics Swap, very early in the morning, and found a vendor who was
selling a ham-radio-grade line conditioner unit.  I have that with my gear,
and expect to use it going forward.

Thanks again.
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From jim at well.com  Tue Dec 30 14:19:25 2014
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:19:25 -0800
Subject: It's a gift (not a newsletter) ; and an offer from SF-LUG
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     Many thanks! I learn a lot from reading your writing.

     Maybe not "implausible", rather "unlikely"?

     As to sitting in the cold garage rather than sitting in
more comfortable places doing more necessary or
more fun things, if it'll help, I'm willing to come down
bundled in warm socks, sweaters..., to keep you
company, hold screwdrivers, even biblically just sit
and wait (silently).
     God I wish I'd known of the De Anza College
Electronics Swap. I've gotten some great, useful
stuff from such.
     My basic approach to power conditioning is to make
sure powerful spikes don't get through:


power_line-----Coil_A------------Coil_B----------------------Coil_C-----------------------------------o
                     |                | |               
|                        |                 |
                 Cap_A        Cap_B             MOV_A Cap_C        
Surge_Diode   Cap_D
                     |                | |               
|                        |                 |
neutral 
line-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------o 



closest to PG&E power, little and fast, closest to internal systems, 
slower but take lots of Joules
double and triple components, give coils lots of iron

anything we can do, we're willing.

jim
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime


On 12/30/2014 01:56 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, jim <jim at well.com 
> <mailto:jim at well.com>> wrote:
>
>     A couple of meetings ago, a few SF-LUG folks agreed to
>     purchase some old box in good working order and with
>     sufficient resources to host a MailMan system. Rick, if
>     this offer will help you, please let us know: we're willing
>     to find, vet, purchase, and deliver. I'm interested in
>     seeing if I can provide an electrical processing system
>     that can protect your machines from over- and under-
>     voltage mishaps.
>
>
> Hey, thanks to all of you for the lovely and thoughtful offer.
>
> Thing is, I actually do have a bunch of hardware sitting in my 
> garage.  At least one of them is very likely a functional 1U or 2U 
> rackmount server, which is the right sort of thing to use.  (Many 
> desktop boxes have things about them that make them unsuitable, such 
> as many desktop machines' ATX power supplies not being able to be 
> configured to bring the machine back up without manual intervention 
> when the power returns after a power outage.)
>
> Just before I went on my last vacation, I moved the hard drives from 
> my server from the failed VA Linux Systems model 2230 to a spare model 
> 2230.  To my relief, I got video and was able to boot an Aptosid live 
> CD.  Even better, I was able to mount my server system's partitions, 
> verified that they were readable, and update my backups of 
> everything.  Thus, at that point, I was no longer in danger of having 
> to revert to an old backup.
>
> Using the live CD, I then attempted to fix the software problems that 
> were the _other_ issue aside from failed hardware.  (To recap, I had 
> been doing system updates, and (skipping some details) the system 
> segfaulted in the middle of the system software upgrade. I cold 
> booted, but there was from that point forward no video at all, nor 
> beeps, i.e., it acted as if I'd had failure of the motherboard or 
> other key system hardware.)   I was not able to find a way to make the 
> system bootable through some hours of experimentation - was getting 
> some bizarre GRUB errors - and had to defer the matter because I had 
> to leave to catch our flight to Barbados.  So, I powered down the machine.
>
> When I got back from Barbados, I found something perplexing:  I heard 
> the system fan running, and saw the blue power light on the front 
> panel, i.e., it was powered up (even though I'd left the system 
> powered down). However, despite that, there was no video.  Cold 
> booting the system resulted in... no video.  This was really bizarre.  
> The symptom suggested that there had been a power outage during my 
> time in the Caribbean, and upon the return of power, my system had 
> come online (I hadn't unplugged it, just powered it down), and that 
> there had then been a second and similar hardware failure.  But this 
> seemed like an implausible coincidence, as perhaps you would agree.
>
> Time and experimentation and use of careful logic can get to the 
> bottom of the matter.  I just haven't lately had the patience to do 
> that, and have been quite busy with other commitments in the 
> meantime.  Sooner or later, I _do_ plan on sitting out in my very cold 
> garage for as long as it takes.  I certainly could give up on 
> debugging the VA Linux Systems gear, and just attempt to build from 
> scratch a replacement software configuration on one of the other spare 
> machines I have.  I'd prefer not to do that, because building a new 
> server configuration instead of just tracking down the one software 
> problem that made my system unbootable is a LARGE amount of extra work.
>
> And, thus, you'll notice, the resource I'm short on is not machines, 
> but rather time, patience, and focus on the problem.
>
> About over/under-voltage:  Last year, concerned about that very thing, 
> I set about dealing with that.  First thing I did was to buy an APC 
> UPS unit over at Central Computer.  However, this never seemed like 
> really the right solution, just the commercially easy thing to 
> acquire:  A UPS isn't actually very great at dealing with power 
> fluctuations (and sometime is useless at that, depending on the type), 
> and also interposes a new single point of failure in the form of a big 
> lead-acid battery that can, itself, bring down your system.  Also, the 
> UPS generates quite a bit of heat, which bloats your PG&E bill, and 
> you have to buy replacement lead-acid battery packs every few years, 
> which are a large percentage of the cost of the entire UPS, each time 
> you have to buy them.
>
> What the UPS mostly does - the problem that it exists to solve - is 
> bridge you across short-duration outages, making it so you don't lose 
> power and have continuous uptime.  Continuous uptime is abstractly 
> nice, but is the thing I care least about:  Linux servers come right 
> back up after power returns.  That's what we have journaled 
> filesystems for.  So, given that fact, why would I want to put a 
> continually expensive, heat-producing, potentially problematic bit of 
> hardware between the AC outlet and my unit, one that isn't even very 
> good at line regulation, and that can be a Single Point of Failure 
> that otherwise wouldn't exist?
>
> In short, I have not been in a hurry to deploy the UPS, because it's 
> mostly a solution to the wrong problem, a solution to a problem I 
> don't care about very much.  On reflection, I realised that the right 
> solution is a line conditioner unit, not a UPS.  And I don't mean the 
> miserable rubbish you can get at Fry's, either.  The problem was: 
>  Where do you get a line conditioner of the variety that people 
> acquire who are serious about the problem?
>
> Last summer, I solved that problem:  I went to the De Anza College 
> Electronics Swap, very early in the morning, and found a vendor who 
> was selling a ham-radio-grade line conditioner unit.  I have that with 
> my gear, and expect to use it going forward.
>
> Thanks again.

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From jim at well.com  Mon Dec 29 07:33:35 2014
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:33:35 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - DNS (sf-lug.org. not presently operational ; then operational
 ; then ...)
In-Reply-To: <549AED79.9070407@dslextreme.com>
References: <549AD718.7070507@dslextreme.com> <CANe-2tcs0RgnpODmoZfgEWAUcCfAgBvx29ziiq8KG-x4hBS5NA@mail.gmail.com> <549AED79.9070407@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <54A1744F.6000104@well.com>


(entire thread below)

     SF-LUG.{com,org} is currently under the thumb
of Network Solutions.
     My primary objection to netsol is its over-the-top
emails and offers of services as well as its policy
of protecting its control of our (in this case) DNS
stuff. I want to move it to joker.com. Netsol will
make me jump through objectional hoops to do so.
     I'll be grateful for any attention others can give
to spur me on through this unpleasant prospect.
     Actions that help me include nagging ("you done
yet?") and advice ("you're doing it wrong") on a
frequent basis. I may need technical or other help
(and may not).


---------------------------------------------------
 From my house and box,

$ ping sf-lug.org
PING sf-lug.org (208.96.15.252) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 208.96.15.252.servepath.com (208.96.15.252): icmp_req=1 
ttl=53 time=14.4 ms
64 bytes from 208.96.15.252.servepath.com (208.96.15.252): icmp_req=2 
ttl=53 time=12.5 ms
64 bytes from 208.96.15.252.servepath.com (208.96.15.252): icmp_req=3 
ttl=53 time=38.8 ms
^C
--- sf-lug.org ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 12.539/21.932/38.816/11.964 ms

----------------------------------------------------

Jim,

Hmmmm, looks like it's now working again:
$ (n=41; while [ "$n" -le 42 ]; do echo "@ns$n.worldnic.com. 
sf-lug.org.:" $(dig @ns"$n".worldnic.com. -t A sf-lug.org. +short); 
n=$(expr "$n" + 1); done)
@ns41.worldnic.com. sf-lug.org.: 208.96.15.252
@ns42.worldnic.com. sf-lug.org.: 208.96.15.252
$ ssh -ax sf-lug.org.
Linux sflug 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u1 i686

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Mon Dec 29 00:23:38 2014 from 198.144.194.235
$ hostname
sflug
$

---------------------------------------------------------

On 12/29/2014 12:22 AM, Michael Paoli wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Looks like for sf-lug.org. DNS, you need to do something with service
> provider (apparently Network Solutions) that I don't have access to for
> that account.  You could delegate this directly to the host via the
> registrar - if we also set up DNS server for sf-lug.org. on the host
> itself (would also need to set up slave(s) for it too in such a case).
>
> references/excerpts:
>
> $ ssh -ax sf-lug.org.
> ssh: Could not resolve hostname sf-lug.org.: Name or service not known
> $ date
> Mon Dec 29 00:17:43 PST 2014
> $ dig -t A sf-lug.org. +trace
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.4-rpz2+rl005.12-P1 <<>> -t A sf-lug.org. +trace
> ;; global options: +cmd
> .                       97523   IN      NS h.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS i.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS j.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS g.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS f.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS c.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS l.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS b.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS m.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS e.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS a.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS d.root-servers.net.
> .                       97523   IN      NS k.root-servers.net.
> ;; Received 496 bytes from 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) in 15 ms
>
> org.                    172800  IN      NS a2.org.afilias-nst.info.
> org.                    172800  IN      NS b2.org.afilias-nst.org.
> org.                    172800  IN      NS c0.org.afilias-nst.info.
> org.                    172800  IN      NS a0.org.afilias-nst.info.
> org.                    172800  IN      NS b0.org.afilias-nst.org.
> org.                    172800  IN      NS d0.org.afilias-nst.org.
> ;; Received 430 bytes from 192.36.148.17#53(192.36.148.17) in 22 ms
>
> sf-lug.org.             86400   IN      NS      ns41.worldnic.com.
> sf-lug.org.             86400   IN      NS      ns42.worldnic.com.
> dig: couldn't get address for 'ns41.worldnic.com': no more
> $ 2>&1 whois -H sf-lug.org | fgrep -i -e dns -e 'name server'
> Name Server:NS41.WORLDNIC.COM
> Name Server:NS42.WORLDNIC.COM
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> Name Server:
> DNSSEC:Unsigned
> $ whois -H wordnic.com
>
> Whois Server Version 2.0
>
> Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
> with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
> for detailed information.
>
>    Domain Name: WORDNIC.COM
>    Registrar: ENOM, INC.
>    Whois Server: whois.enom.com
>    Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
>    Name Server: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
>    Name Server: DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
>    Name Server: DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM
>    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
>    Status: clientTransferProhibited
>    Updated Date: 26-jan-2010
>    Creation Date: 06-nov-1999
>    Expiration Date: 06-nov-2015
>
>>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:18:40 GMT <<<
>
> NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
> registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the 
> registry is
> currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the 
> expiration
> date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
> registrar.  Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois 
> database to
> view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.
>
>
> The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
> Registrars.
>
>
> Domain Name: WORDNIC.COM
> Registry Domain ID: 12346273_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
> Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
> Registrar URL: www.enom.com
> Updated Date: 2010-01-26T10:34:26.00Z
> Creation Date: 1999-11-06T00:12:23.00Z
> Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-11-05T23:12:00.00Z
> Registrar: ENOM, INC.
> Registrar IANA ID: 48
> Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at enom.com
> Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252982646
> Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> Registry Registrant ID:
> Registrant Name: GRANT BARRETT
> Registrant Organization: ALPHABETICALL/WORDNIK
> Registrant Street: 60 EAST THIRD AVENUE
> Registrant City: SAN MATEO
> Registrant State/Province: CA
> Registrant Postal Code: 94401
> Registrant Country: US
> Registrant Phone: +1.7734782336
> Registrant Phone Ext:
> Registrant Fax:
> Registrant Fax Ext:
> Registrant Email: STUFF at WORDNIK.COM
> Registry Admin ID:
> Admin Name: GRANT BARRETT
> Admin Organization: ALPHABETICALL/WORDNIK
> Admin Street: 60 EAST THIRD AVENUE
> Admin City: SAN MATEO
> Admin State/Province: CA
> Admin Postal Code: 94401
> Admin Country: US
> Admin Phone: +1.7734782336
> Admin Phone Ext:
> Admin Fax:
> Admin Fax Ext:
> Admin Email: STUFF at WORDNIK.COM
> Registry Tech ID:
> Tech Name: GRANT BARRETT
> Tech Organization: ALPHABETICALL/WORDNIK
> Tech Street: 60 EAST THIRD AVENUE
> Tech City: SAN MATEO
> Tech State/Province: CA
> Tech Postal Code: 94401
> Tech Country: US
> Tech Phone: +1.7734782336
> Tech Phone Ext:
> Tech Fax:
> Tech Fax Ext:
> Tech Email: STUFF at WORDNIK.COM
> Name Server: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
> Name Server: DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
> Name Server: DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM
> Name Server: DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM
> Name Server: DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM
> DNSSEC: unSigned
> URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: 
> http://wdprs.internic.net/
> Last update of WHOIS database: 2010-01-26T10:34:26.00Z
>
>
> We reserve the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting
> this query, you agree to abide by these terms.
> Version 6.3 4/3/2002
>
> Get Noticed on the Internet!  Increase visibility for this domain name 
> by listing it at www.whoisbusinesslistings.com
> $
>
>> From: "Michael Paoli" <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>
>> Subject: SF-LUG - DNS
>> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 10:00:47 -0700
>
>> So, various SF-LUG bits ... DNS ...
>>
>> $ dig -t NS sf-lug.org. +short
>> ns42.worldnic.com.
>> ns41.worldnic.com.
>> $
>> For sf-lug.org., looks like you have those at some registrar or hosting
>> provider.  You'll need to use whatever their procedures are to update
>> those.
>
>

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Oct  5 15:15:53 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 15:15:53 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting of Sunday October 5, 2014
Message-ID: <5431C319.5080305@dslextreme.com>


  I Arrived about 1040 and setup by the striped couch as the place was 
crowded then moved to center row of tables.  We eventually got three 
table lined up.

	1105 everything but the optical drive was working and I managed to fix 
that and booted up/
1110 the Shaffers showed up and then Joseph P.

1135 Jason got there with problems of installation of Linux on a Windows 
box from the thrift store.  We managed to resolve one of his problems 
with the log-on using  Password Reset CD.
	We carefully explained the the Dell install disk he had acquired might 
not applicable to his machine and that first you have to install the MS 
program launcher then install Linux to get a working dual boot.  Joseph 
P. helped Jason with the use of the Password Reset disk I carry around.

   I booted up Knoppix 7.4.2 and then with it running installed it to my 
flash drive. I gave the copy of Knoppix that I used to Jason who had a 
older version.Oh in case you had not heard Klaus Knopper put out 2 new 
versions of Knoppix over the last week or so.  He was trying to stay 
ahead  of the "Shellshock" problem which Ken says is actually in C library.

   Knoppix ran fine if a bit nervously. I tried Iceweasel 32.x.x which 
looks like it is designed to run on a tablet with apps.  I tried to 
check the local weather at CBS5 local and all it would show me was the 
apps they wanted me to download.  I used Google on Chrome and managed to 
find a weather report but the first one offered was in Germany.  I guess 
Klaus Knopper has the Google site in Germany dialed in.

     All thru the meeting I took minimal notes on KWrite using a file on 
an SD card for this purpose.  That file was created on the SD card by my
  file and directory manager.

   Tom Turner showed up at 1214 with a older machine and a problem 
running virtual machines.  It seems to be his first visit with us.
Ken Shaffer assisted him and we tried to make sure he had the disks
  he needed.

     Eric showed up about 1245.  I had tried to book up Open Mandriva 
but it was pretty slow and took over the machine.  Finally I had to 
leave the machine   running and stick it in my  rolling case that way. 
At home plugged back in the machine, which was extremely hot  I managed 
to break out of the Open Mandriva loop and will try it again when I have 
little better to do.

     The main part of the meeting was over about 1 PM but it took me a 
bit  try and repack my rolling case.  I rode the 38 Bus back to Geary 
and   I was tired walking two block uphill to my apartment.

   The next meeting at Cafe Enchante is on 20 October 2014 in the 
evening (6-8 PM).

     Hope to see you all there.

     Corrections and emendations to this report are welcomed.


   	Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Oct  5 15:20:50 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 15:20:50 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG  Weekly meeting reminders for Wednesday Oct 8 and Thursday
 Oct 9
Message-ID: <5431C442.9010706@dslextreme.com>

The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or 
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)

	bliss

	==================================

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge 
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in 
San Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph

	==================================

     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others 
is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...

When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays

Where: Downtown S.F.
1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)

Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk

Access: Wheelchair accessible
BART => Civic Center
MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,

or just walk through beautiful S.F.

Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on 
premises.

Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.

     Thanks for your attention!
	Maestro

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 13 08:34:01 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:34:01 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG  Weekly meeting reminders for Wednesday Oct 15 and Thursday
 Oct 16
Message-ID: <543BF0E9.4050902@dslextreme.com>

The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or 
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)

	bliss

	==================================

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge 
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in 
San Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph

	==================================

     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others 
is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...

When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays

Where: Downtown S.F.
1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)

Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk

Access: Wheelchair accessible
BART => Civic Center
MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,

or just walk through beautiful S.F.

Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on 
premises.

Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.

     Thanks for your attention!
	Maestro

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 13 08:56:28 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:56:28 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG meeting Monday, October 20, 2014 + Late Bulletin!
Message-ID: <543BF62C.3030800@dslextreme.com>

  SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
and every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     Meeting times are nominal so that if you come after 7:30 PM
we may have left.

     I will have the latest Linux Pro which currently is for October 2014
and features deepin 2014 and Ubuntu 14.04.01 on the DVD.
Both are for 64 bit processors. It contains articles on Intrusion
Detection, Process Monitors, BASH tricks, Rescatux (a rescue disk)

     If anyone wants a copy of either distro from this month or the
Distros from last month.
   Kindly let me know by Thursday so that I have time to get it made.

     JUST IN!  FLASH!!! Monday, October 13, 2014
     Just got of the phone with Jim Stockford who is safely back from 
Europe!
     Expect to see him at the Meeting on Monday October 20th.

         Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Oct 16 11:44:57 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:44:57 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
Message-ID: <54401229.20205@dslextreme.com>

	John Strazzarino want you all to know that that he has these
available.  One or more computers available in various configurations.
	Please contact John for further information

	bliss

---------------------------------------------------------------------

For Sale:

Dell Optiplex 755 computer, duo-core 2.33GHz, with 2 or 4 GB of RAM and 
video card which can support two monitors

computer/kb/mouse/powercord/video cable - $20.00
No HD or Monitor

I can bring to club meeting on Nov 2nd - I have 10 computers available 
(maybe more)

Sorry for the sales pitch, but everyone could use a backup machine

John F. Strazzarino <jstrazza at yahoo.com>
	

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Oct 19 08:36:49 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 08:36:49 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG - SF-LUG mailing list.
Message-ID: <5443DA91.3060704@dslextreme.com>


On 10/19/2014 08:25 AM, John Strazzarino wrote:
 > It appears that the mailing list is still down as I tried to post to 
it the other day.  Also, the SF-lug.org page is up but you get a not 
found error when clicking on the mailing list tab.
 >
 > Any idea when this will be up?
 >
 >
 >
 > Sent from my iPad


	Well John I have not heard anything.  Maybe someone on the
list has better information so I am posting your query and my
response to that list.

	By the way my test for the mailing list was equally
negative.  What a pain.

	Bobbie

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 20 10:13:33 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:13:33 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG Re:Debian UPDATES
Message-ID: <544542BD.1060109@dslextreme.com>

I thought some of the users might be interested in this announcement.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Debian Project                               https://www.debian.org/
Updated Debian 7: 7.7 released                          press at debian.org
October 18th, 2014             https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20141018
------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Debian project is pleased to announce the seventh update of its
stable distribution Debian 7 (codename "wheezy"). This update mainly
adds corrections for security problems to the stable release, along with
a few adjustments for serious problems. Security advisories were already
published separately and are referenced where available.

Please note that this update does not constitute a new version of Debian
7 but only updates some of the packages included. There is no need to
throw away old "wheezy" CDs or DVDs but only to update via an up-to-date
Debian mirror after an installation, to cause any out of date packages
to be updated.

Those who frequently install updates from security.debian.org won't have
to update many packages and most updates from security.debian.org are
included in this update.

New installation media and CD and DVD images containing updated packages
will be available soon at the regular locations.

Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors. A comprehensive list of
mirrors is available at:

https://www.debian.org/mirror/list


Miscellaneous Bugfixes
----------------------

This stable update adds a few important corrections to the following
packages:

+--------------------------+------------------------------------------+
| Package                  | Reason                                   |
+--------------------------+------------------------------------------+
| at                       | Only retain variables whose name         |
|                          | consists of alphanumerics and            |
|                          | underscores, preventing jobs from        |
|                          | failing in case bash exports functions   |
|                          | to the environment with the changes from |
|                          | DSA-3035                                 |
| axis                     | Fix MITM attack on SSL caused by         |
|                          | incomplete fix for CVE-2012-5784         |
|                          | [CVE-2014-3596]                          |
| base-files               | Update for the point release             |
| blender                  | Fix illegal hardware instruction         |
| ca-certificates          | Update Mozilla certificate bundle; fix   |
|                          | certdata2pem.py for multiple CAs using   |
|                          | the same CKA_LABEL                       |
| debian-archive-          | Add jessie stable release key            |
| keyring                  |                                          |
| debian-installer         | Rebuild for the point release            |
| debian-installer-        | Update to 20130613+deb7u2+b3 images      |
| netboot-images           |                                          |
| debsums                  | Suppress reporting conffiles which were  |
|                          | moved to a new package as modified in    |
|                          | the old package                          |
| dwm                      | Fix broken patch headers                 |
| eglibc                   | Fix invalid file descriptor reuse while  |
|                          | sending DNS query; fix stack overflow    |
|                          | issues [CVE-2013-4357]; fix a localplt   |
|                          | regression introduced in version 2.13-   |
|                          | 38+deb7u3 [CVE-2014-0475]; fix a memory  |
|                          | leak with dlopen() and thread-local      |
|                          | storage variables; re-include all        |
|                          | documentation, accidentally broken in    |
|                          | earlier uploads                          |
| exim4                    | Stop unwanted double expansion of        |
|                          | arguments to mathematical comparison     |
|                          | operations [CVE-2014-2972]               |
| flashplugin-nonfree      | Fix downgrade vulnerability, update      |
|                          | dependencies                             |
| foremost                 | Fix invalid patch header                 |
| getfem++                 | Fix broken patch headers                 |
| gnubg                    | Fix crash on  "end game"  when gnubg is  |
|                          | run with the -t option                   |
| hawtjni                  | Fix /tmp race condition with arbitrary   |
|                          | code execution [CVE-2013-2035]           |
| ipython                  | Fix remote execution via cross origin    |
|                          | websocket [CVE-2014-3429]                |
| iso-scan                 | Do not error out when searching in       |
|                          | folders with shell-special characters in |
|                          | their name                               |
| keyutils                 | Use the default compression level for xz |
|                          | for binary packages                      |
| kvpm                     | Fix invalid patch header                 |
| libdatetime-timezone-    | New upstream release                     |
| perl                     |                                          |
| libplack-perl            | Avoid unintended file access due to      |
|                          | incorrect stripping of trailing slashes  |
|                          | from provided paths [CVE-2014-5269]      |
| libsnmp-session-         | Fix perl warnings with libsocket6-perl   |
| perl                     | installed                                |
| linux                    | Update to upstream stable 3.2.63; update |
|                          | drm and agp to 3.4.103; udf: avoid       |
|                          | infinite loop when processing indirect   |
|                          | ICBs [CVE-2014-6410]; libceph: do not    |
|                          | hard code max auth ticket len [CVE-2014- |
|                          | 6416 CVE-2014-6417 CVE-2014-6418]; add   |
|                          | pata_rdc to pata-modules udeb and        |
|                          | virtio_scsi to virtio-modules udeb;      |
|                          | sp5100_tco: reject SB8x0 chips           |
| live-config              | Disable SSH login at boot                |
| nana                     | Rebuild with debhelper from wheezy to    |
|                          | get rid of install-info calls in         |
|                          | maintainer scripts; add dummy empty      |
|                          | prerm script to allow upgrading the      |
|                          | package after is not available           |
| net-snmp                 | Fix  "snmpd: produces error if the       |
|                          | Executables/scripts entries in           |
|                          | snmpd.conf is over 50" ; security fixes  |
|                          | [CVE-2014-2285 CVE-2014-3565 CVE-2012-   |
|                          | 6151]                                    |
| netcfg                   | Fix support for entering an ESSID        |
|                          | manually                                 |
| oss-compat               | Use softdep directives in the modprobe   |
|                          | configuration; remove oss-compat.conf    |
|                          | when removing the package                |
| perl                     | Don't recurse infinitely in Data::Dumper |
|                          | [CVE-2014-4330]                          |
| php-getid3               | Improve fix for XXE security issue       |
|                          | [CVE-2014-2053]                          |
| postgresql-8.4           | New upstream release                     |
| postgresql-9.1           | New upstream release                     |
| proftpd-dfsg             | Fix overlapping buffer leading to SFTP   |
|                          | crashes and stalls                       |
| qlandkartegt             | Update user agent string                 |
| scotch                   | Rebuild on amd64 to correct openmpi      |
|                          | dependency                               |
| supervisor               | Fix restart and formatting problems with |
|                          | the init script                          |
| tor                      | Use correct byte order when sending the  |
|                          | address of the chosen rendezvous point   |
|                          | to a hidden service; update IP address   |
|                          | for the gabelmoo v3 directory authority  |
| tzdata                   | New upstream release                     |
| unattended-upgrades      | Add  "oldstable"  to the list of         |
|                          | accepted origins for security packages   |
| virtinst                 | Unbreak virtinst with newer python-      |
|                          | libvirt                                  |
| wireless-regdb           | New upstream release                     |
| witty                    | Fix symlink to jPlayer skin Blue Monday  |
| xdg-utils                | Use /bin/echo rather than echo -e in     |
|                          | xdg-mail                                 |
+--------------------------+------------------------------------------+


Security Updates
----------------

This revision adds the following security updates to the stable release.
The Security Team has already released an advisory for each of these
updates:

+----------------+----------------------------+
| Advisory ID    | Package                    |
+----------------+----------------------------+
| DSA-2765       | davfs2                     |
| DSA-2926       | linux                      |
| DSA-2940       | libstruts1.2-java          |
| DSA-2949       | linux                      |
| DSA-2972       | linux                      |
| DSA-2973       | vlc                        |
| DSA-2974       | php5                       |
| DSA-2975       | phpmyadmin                 |
| DSA-2976       | eglibc                     |
| DSA-2977       | libav                      |
| DSA-2978       | libxml2                    |
| DSA-2979       | fail2ban                   |
| DSA-2981       | polarssl                   |
| DSA-2982       | ruby-activerecord-3.2      |
| DSA-2983       | drupal7                    |
| DSA-2984       | acpi-support               |
| DSA-2985       | mysql-5.5                  |
| DSA-2988       | transmission               |
| DSA-2989       | apache2                    |
| DSA-2990       | cups                       |
| DSA-2991       | modsecurity-apache         |
| DSA-2992       | linux                      |
| DSA-2993       | tor                        |
| DSA-2994       | nss                        |
| DSA-2995       | lzo2                       |
| DSA-2997       | reportbug                  |
| DSA-2998       | openssl                    |
| DSA-2999       | drupal7                    |
| DSA-3000       | krb5                       |
| DSA-3001       | wordpress                  |
| DSA-3002       | wireshark                  |
| DSA-3003       | libav                      |
| DSA-3004       | kde4libs                   |
| DSA-3005       | gpgme1.0                   |
| DSA-3006       | xen                        |
| DSA-3007       | cacti                      |
| DSA-3008       | php5                       |
| DSA-3009       | python-imaging             |
| DSA-3010       | python-django              |
| DSA-3011       | mediawiki                  |
| DSA-3012       | eglibc                     |
| DSA-3013       | s3ql                       |
| DSA-3014       | squid3                     |
| DSA-3015       | lua5.1                     |
| DSA-3016       | lua5.2                     |
| DSA-3017       | php-cas                    |
| DSA-3019       | procmail                   |
| DSA-3020       | acpi-support               |
| DSA-3021       | file                       |
| DSA-3022       | curl                       |
| DSA-3023       | bind9                      |
| DSA-3024       | gnupg                      |
| DSA-3025       | apt                        |
| DSA-3026       | dbus                       |
| DSA-3027       | libav                      |
| DSA-3029       | nginx                      |
| DSA-3030       | mantis                     |
| DSA-3031       | apt                        |
| DSA-3032       | bash                       |
| DSA-3033       | nss                        |
| DSA-3035       | bash                       |
| DSA-3036       | mediawiki                  |
| DSA-3038       | libvirt                    |
| DSA-3039       | chromium-browser           |
| DSA-3040       | rsyslog                    |
| DSA-3041       | xen                        |
| DSA-3042       | exuberant-ctags            |
| DSA-3043       | tryton-server              |
| DSA-3044       | qemu-kvm                   |
| DSA-3045       | qemu                       |
| DSA-3046       | mediawiki                  |
| DSA-3047       | rsyslog                    |
| DSA-3048       | apt                        |
+----------------+----------------------------+


Removed packages
----------------

The following packages were removed due to circumstances beyond our
control:

+------------------+------------------------------+
| Package          | Reason                       |
+------------------+------------------------------+
| ctn              | Undistributable              |
| ssdeep           | Undistributable              |
| dicomnifti       | Depends on to-be-removed ctn |
| ctsim            | Depends on to-be-removed ctn |
+------------------+------------------------------+


URLs
----

The complete lists of packages that have changed with this revision:
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/ChangeLog


The current stable distribution:
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/


Proposed updates to the stable distribution:
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/proposed-updates


stable distribution information (release notes, errata etc.):
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/


Security announcements and information:
https://security.debian.org/


About Debian
------------

The Debian Project is an association of Free Software developers who
volunteer their time and effort in order to produce the completely free
operating system Debian.


Contact Information
-------------------

For further information, please visit the Debian web pages at
https://www.debian.org/, send mail to <press at debian.org>, or contact the
stable release team at <debian-release at lists.debian.org>.




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 20 17:54:41 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:54:41 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG - re:BALUG meets Tuesday 21 October
Message-ID: <5445AED1.2000109@dslextreme.com>




----- Forwarded message from Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu -----
     Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:57:19 -0700
     From: "Michael Paoli" <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>
Reply-To: rsvp at balug.org
  Subject: BALUG: TOMORROW Tu 2014-10-21 New Venue! - Henry's Hunan - 
110 Natoma St.
       To: SF-LUG <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>

BALUG: TOMORROW Tu 2014-10-21 New Venue! - Henry's Hunan - 110 Natoma St.

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2014-10-21 BALUG meeting: New venue! - Henry's Hunan - 110 Natoma St.
giveaways (CDs/DVDs, ...)
Got venue? (projector/screen ...)
volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your experience & resume!)
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2014-10-21 BALUG meeting:
NEW VENUE!:
    Henry's Hunan Restaurant
    110 Natoma St. (between 2nd & New Montgomery)
    San Francisco, CA 94105-3704
    1-415-546-4999
    http://www.henryshunanrestaurant.com/
Delicious Hunan cuisine and reasonably priced.
At least presently we don't have a specific speaker/presentation lined
up for this meeting, but that doesn't prevent us from having
interesting and exciting meetings and discussions.  Sometimes we also
manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to announce or fully
publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice in the past).
Got questions, answers, and/or opinions?  We typically have some
expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) present to cover Linux and related
topic areas.  Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and
other topics?  Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda
if you wish.  Want to help ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations
lined up for future meetings?  Help refer speakers to us and/or
volunteer to be one of the speaker coordinators.  Great food and
people, and interesting conversations to be had.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                         rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and our venue plan for the meeting and accommodations, so please
let us know.

Meeting Details...

    6:30pm Tuesday, October 21st, 2014 2014-10-21
    Henry's Hunan Restaurant
    110 Natoma St. (between 2nd & New Montgomery)
    San Francisco, CA 94105-3704
    Easy Transit/Parking Access: short walk from BART, MUNI, parking
       Trip planning:  http://www.511.org/

Cost/Dining:
     The meetings are always free, but dinner is not (unless you are our
     guest speaker, in which case we also treat you to dinner).  For
     Henry's Hunan Restaurant, if folks are agreeable, we may share and
     dine "family" style, and split up the costs, and typical cost per
     person including tax and tip (but not including beverages beyond
     complementary tea) would be in the $13.00 to $17.50 range, and
     commonly around $15.00 to $16.50.  Cash may be preferred to ease
     splitting up the check.  One can also specifically order the
     dish(es) one needs/prefers (e.g. for dietary considerations) - and
     we also commonly order some dish(es) that may meet various dietary
     considerations) (e.g. vegetarian, non-pork, ...).  Please arrive by
     7:00 P.M., we expect to order entrees at that time, and may order
     appetizer(s) and/or soup(s) anytime after 6:30 P.M.

------------------------------

We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
likely have at least the below plus additional items.

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details (and the inventory
(qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does
also frequently change).

------------------------------

Got venue?

We can certainly use your help on leads for venue!  Certainly feel free
to discus on our "talk[1]" list.  See also the earlier item[2] on our
admin list that gives fair overview of what we're hopefully looking to
find as for venue.  We could certainly use a venue that works well for
speakers/presenters (e.g. projector & screen), can handle fair sized
crowds (to 30 or more, ideally to over 100 as we sometimes have), is
reasonably economical and consistent across varying attendance sizes
(e.g. same location or very close in part of same facility), and where
dinner/food/beverages are either available at such a presentation
facility, or very close by.  IF YOU HAVE LEADS ON SPECIFIC VENUE(s) BE
SURE TO DROP US A NOTE!: balug-contact at balug.org - and can of course
also mention/discuss it on our "talk[1]" list.  And much thanks for
leads/contacts, useful ideas, etc. that will get us to our future
venue(s)!

Henry's Hunan Restaurant - 110 Natoma St. can handle us well in most
regards for dining and up to fair size crowd, but we have no
screen/projector nor PA capabilities there, so for talks/presentations,
only the less formal, smaller, and without projected "slides" would
work there.  (But in the meantime, the food there is really yummy!)

We also expect to announce any and all venue changes not later than at
the BALUG meeting prior, so folks have reasonable time to prepare/adjust
and aren't (too) "surprised" and so folks don't have last minute changes
sprung on them.

The Four Seas Restaurant lost their lease.  So their last day of
business there was 2014-09-27, and our last meeting there was
2014-09-16.

1. http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org
2. 
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2014-July/001504.html

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)

Not only can you do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG,
but it can also be a way to gain useful and practical experience, and
could also be something to add to or round out one's resume.

There a quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us
at a meeting and/or drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o assist on publicity
o chief/assistant cat herder
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
     quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
     would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------


----- End forwarded message -----




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 20 18:58:58 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:58:58 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG  Weekly meeting reminders for Wednesday Oct 22 and Thursday
 Oct 23
Message-ID: <5445BDE2.5060806@dslextreme.com>

The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or 
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)

	bliss

	==================================

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge 
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in 
San Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph

	==================================

     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others 
is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...

When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays

Where: Downtown S.F.
1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)

Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk

Access: Wheelchair accessible
BART => Civic Center
MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,

or just walk through beautiful S.F.

Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on 
premises.

Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.

     Thanks for your attention!
	Maestro

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 20 21:52:09 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 21:52:09 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG - report of meeting of Monday 20 October 2014
Message-ID: <5445E679.4030006@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

	Well I got to the Cafe Enchante about 5:40 PM.and had no
problems with setting up my system but it would not stay that way

	Shortly after 6 PM Eric showed up and eagerly read the later
copy of Linux Pro.   Then Jim Stockford showed up and discussion began
to be at a higher level when Joseph Puig showed up.
	It seems that restoring the mailing list is low on Rick Moen's
list of priorities according to Jim who had talked to him.
	Stockford suggested setting up a mailing program on the co-location 
site where the web page is hosted.  That was under discussion when I 
left them.
	
	Some discussion of the potential of Android Linux ensued.
Jim is interested in extending the capabilities one way or another.

	I had a slight problem with the optical drive in my notebook
and after I tried to fix it a further problem in that boot time was
extended.
	Enquiries by Jim regarding the weekly meetings at Noisebridge
and at the Western Addition location were made of Joseph who was sad
to report exceedingly low attendance over the last 3 months or more.

	About 8 PM we left the Cafe Enchante and Jim gave me a ride
home while he went on with Eric and Joseph.


	When I got home I setup my computer and had it running again
in a few minutes.

	The next meeting will be on Sunday November 2 2014 from 11 AM ro
1 P.M. at the Cafe Enchante.

	I hope that the information given is largely correct but depend
for emendations and corrections by the other attendees.

	Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Oct 23 09:22:02 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:22:02 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG - Ubuntu 14.10 on mirrors
Message-ID: <54492B2A.5050707@dslextreme.com>

	Getting a torrent right now.
	Don't skip getting the Checksums which are in a separate file.

	Later and don't forget there is a release party tonight.

	bliss

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 27 08:05:31 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:05:31 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG  Weekly meeting reminders for Wednesday Oct 29 and Thursday
 Oct 30
Message-ID: <544E5F3B.1080004@dslextreme.com>

The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or 
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)

	bliss

	==================================

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge 
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in 
San Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph

	==================================

     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others 
is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...

When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays

Where: Downtown S.F.
1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)

Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk

Access: Wheelchair accessible
BART => Civic Center
MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,

or just walk through beautiful S.F.

Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on 
premises.

Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.

     Thanks for your attention!

	Maestro

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 27 08:18:21 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:18:21 -0700
Subject: SF-LUG  meets on Sunday November 2, 2014
Message-ID: <544E623D.4030309@dslextreme.com>

   SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
and every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and frequently we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

	I will have the latest copy of Linux Pro magazine described in
a previous post.

	In addition I have Ubuntu 14.10 if you want a copy let me know
ASAP.
	Recently a new distribution of GParted was released in versions
for i486, i686. and x86_64.  If any one has a use for the iso files
all 3 should fit on a CD.  Otherwise I will be making a working copy
of the x86_64 version for my own use.  If you are running an old
single core Pentium or earlier let me know and I will make a working
disk for you.
	I got both the above through the Distrowatch.com site if you
don't want to wait.
	Lots of spins of the new 'buntu coming out, too many to
explicate here.

	Only real news is that this AM I got Thunderbird and Firefox latest 
versions both at 31.2.0.  Both went on as easy as typing this
note.  No problems afaik with anything.

	Hope to see you next Sunday.

	Bobbie Sellers

	

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Nov  1 18:20:18 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 18:20:18 -0700
Subject: Reminder of end of Daylight Saving Time and Return to Pacific Standard
 Time.
Message-ID: <545586D2.6040806@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

	John reminded me to remind you all.

	Bobbie

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Daylight savings time
Date: 	Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:16:50 -0700
From: 	John <jstrazza at yahoo.com>
To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>


Might want to remind the group about daylight savings time tonight

John

Sent from my iPhone



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Nov  2 15:41:30 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 15:41:30 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG -Meeting notes for Meeting of Sunday November 2, 2014
Message-ID: <5456C12A.1050800@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

  `	I arrived about 10:45 AM and found John S. and his wife here first.
	Cafe Enchante was very crowded.  Initially I set up my notebook on one 
on the smaller round tables with John across from me using his
iPad.  Lat4r on I moved across the isle to another table and we we able
to pull up a square table which accommodate 3 people and someone, (John 
then Tom) across from me.
	Ken and his wife showed up by 11:00
Then Joseph P. came in subdued in mood.  He seemed to enjoy close
perusal of the two Linux Pro magazines I brought in.
   John S. left briefly to transfer some of his inexpensive Dell tower 
computers to Greg,
Jacky B came in with a problem and to try out the Compaq notebook
that Ken is  giving up.  She came in with walking pneumonia (a practice 
no nurse could recommend) and came just because she said she would.
I can respect that very much.

   Later I made a copy of PC Linux 2014.08 for John S, to install on his 
new batch of machines.

   Jim Stockford showed up before 11:45,

   Eric showed up right at Noon.

   Ken and his wife left about 12:09

   John S. and wife left about 12:25

   Tom T. showed up after 12:30 and was given a couple of copies
of disks that I could vouch for.  He had a little trouble getting
online with the Lubuntu(may be incorrect) that is his main
distribution.  I could not find the utility for getting that 
distribution   online so he switched to Kubuntu and I was able to advise 
him,

   Jim and some others as well as myself discussed the problem
of getting the mailing list running again.  It seems Rick Moen
computer on which he was running several lists failed about
the time he was gone from his home.  It is low on his priorities
at the present time.

   I suggested supplying him with a replacement machine from
  John's stock of salvaged towers but no one seemed very
  interested.  Jim pointed out that getting the mailing list(s) up and
  running again would involve lots of effort to salvage the old
  address lists and so forth.  It would mean additional bandwidth
and electrical costs as well.

   This was a pretty good meeting.

   Thanks to everyone who showed up.

   Jim gave myself, Eric and Joseph P. a ride first to the
   Frankenart  shop/gallery on Balboa where they had free
   frankfurters today.  Jim and Eric enjoyed these treats.
   Jim then dropped me at home before 1:45 PM.

   The next meeting will be on November 17 in the evening.
   The regular notice will be posted about the 10th of the month.

	Please if the participants could advise me and the rest
of the list of any errors on my part or or emendations, do via
the reply to all option in your mailer.  That means that every
member receiving mail will have the correction faster than
I could re-mail it.

	Bobbie Sellers .
	

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Nov  2 17:48:06 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:48:06 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG -101 Top Tools For System And Network Admins!
Message-ID: <5456DED6.2070701@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

	Well Maestro tacked this onto the meeting report
you have seen. I thought the title should be changed.

	Bobbie


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: SF-LUG -Meeting notes for Meeting of Sunday November 2, 2014
Date: 	Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:50:11 -0800
From: 	maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com>
To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>


Hey mama penguin,
With my guiltless truancy from the meeting I am passing this along to be
passed along and then possibly passed along...

Please feel free to add any in that you feel work well and will benefit
ALL...


<http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=133640&PageSpeed=noscript>


Message ends.
________________


From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Nov  4 08:22:19 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 08:22:19 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - FYI: the Surface Pro 3 can run Linux
Message-ID: <5458FD3B.7030702@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

     I was writing on another list about a couple of FOSS softwares when 
I dug up the following URLS but my next computer could easily be a 
Surface Pro 3 and here is the reason why despite the fact that I would 
rather not give MS any money.  I decided to share with this group
as a result since I know several members are looking for new computers.

<http://betanews.com/2014/09/01/turn-your-surface-pro-3-into-a-desktop-with-the-docking-station-review/>

<http://www.geek.com/microsoft/linux-users-rejoice-heres-ubuntu-on-the-surface-pro-3-1594864/>

     And best of all you will wipe Windows from the Surface with the 
Linux install. ;^)

     bliss

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Nov  4 22:46:00 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:46:00 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
Message-ID: <5459C7A8.1070208@dslextreme.com>



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Mailing List Post
Date: 	Tue, 4 Nov 2014 22:15:41 -0800
From: 	John F. Strazzarino <jstrazza at yahoo.com>
To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>


Please post this to the mailing list..

Thanks

John

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The letter from the editor in the latest issue of Linux Magazine has a 
wonderful article about how Radio Shack is fading and suggests that
Radio Shack focus on becoming the best location for Linux Computers and 
linux-compatible accessories.  It is certainly food for thought.
Any further thoughts?

John


<http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2014/167/Welcome/%28language%29/eng-US>





From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Nov 10 08:26:15 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:26:15 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG  Weekly meeting reminders for Wednesday November 12 and Thursday
 November 13, 2014
Message-ID: <5460E727.1010307@dslextreme.com>

The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or 
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)

	bliss

	==================================

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge 
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in 
San Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph

	==================================

     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others 
is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...

When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays

Where: Downtown S.F.
1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)

Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk

Access: Wheelchair accessible
BART => Civic Center
MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,

or just walk through beautiful S.F.

Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on 
premises.

Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.

     Thanks for your attention!
	Maestro

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Nov 10 08:32:09 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:32:09 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting Monday November 17, 2014
Message-ID: <5460E889.4030107@dslextreme.com>


   SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
and every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     Meeting times are nominal so that if you come after 7:30 PM
we may have left.

    I hope to have a later edition of the Linux Pro magazine
by that time.

	Sadly Fedora 21 won't be out if the release schedule stands
until after that meeting.


	hope to see you all there

	Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Nov 10 14:47:52 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:47:52 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - No Thursday meeting on  13 November
Message-ID: <54614098.7080101@dslextreme.com>



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: SF-LUG Weekly meeting reminders for Wednesday November 12 
and Thursday November 13, 2014
Date: 	Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:29:13 -0800
From: 	maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com>
To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>


My fault...
This thur. there will be NO Linux Sys.Admin class/group meeting.
It will resume the following week...
Thanks...


Message ends.
______________

On 11/10/14, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
 > The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or
 > emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
 > list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)
 >
 > 	bliss
 >
 > 	==================================

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Nov 13 18:27:29 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:27:29 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG -  Monday 17th November meeting at Cafe Enchante.
Message-ID: <54656891.1010309@dslextreme.com>


	hi LUGgers,
		Well I was able to get a copy of the latest Linux Pro magazine.  The 
two-sided Disk of the Month features Knoppix 7.4 for
32 and 64 bit machines and PC Linux OS 2014.08 in the Full Monty
version for 64 bit machines.
	Knoppix has been of use to me already. It just gets better.
	I don't care too much for the Full Monty but it runs well
on high specification machines with lots of ram and video ram.
I installed it last year for a friend with some experience and
after a few weeks of helping him a bit it has been satisfactory
to this time.

	It features a YouTube Jukebox on the cover and lots of stuff
about Cloud Computing.
	The Raspberry PI B+ is reviewed.
	Several other topics are covered including a forensic disk imager 
called Guymager.

	Nearly forgot!  Does anyone have an address for Lex Rudis?

	And a new member is on the mailing list who was at the last
meeting on Sunday the 2nd of November.

	Hope to see you all at the meeting.

	Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Nov 19 08:32:05 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 08:32:05 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG -late notice of Wednesday (TODAY!) and Thursday Meetings!
Message-ID: <546CC605.6090402@dslextreme.com>

The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or 
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)

     bliss

     ==================================

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge 
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in 
San Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph

     ==================================

     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others 
is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...

When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays

Where: Downtown S.F.
1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)

Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk

Access: Wheelchair accessible
BART => Civic Center
MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,

or just walk through beautiful S.F.

Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on 
premises.

Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.

     Thanks for your attention!
     Maestro

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Nov 20 11:58:37 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:58:37 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - New Open source tablet
Message-ID: <546E47ED.2040300@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers

    Jolla is putting it out and you can read about it at the URL below.
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/19/jolla_tablet/>

     This is an x86 tablet and you can read about the low price and high
resolution it carries.

     Bobbie

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Nov 20 13:39:20 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:39:20 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting of Monday 17 November 2014
Message-ID: <546E5F88.4090208@dslextreme.com>

hi LUGgers,

	Well I got to the Cafe Enchante about 6:45 PM
and had no problems setting up.

	Maestro was first on the scene followed by Jim Stockford
followed by Cynthia.  Eric and Joseph P. showed up. Finally Tom arrived.
	Jim was pretty tired but seems to have a good appetite.
The regular mailing list was briefly discussed.  No solution was 
reached.  Rick Moen who ran the list is out of town so can do nothing
about whatever problem it had.

	Maestro and I exchanged quips by and large although he was having a 
problem with updating his Pulse Audio files on Debian.

	Cynthia is havng a problem apparently in getting to a
Ubuntu installation on her laptop but did not bring said machine
along.  She was avidly consuming the current Linux Pro magazine.

	Several people seemed to enjoy the Linux Pro magazines I brought along 
and Joseph P. carried several year old magazines away when he left. 
Otherwise I would have left them for the other users
of the Cafe to enjoy.

	I lent Tom the current Linux Pro disk with Knoppix 7.4 and PC Linux OS 
Full Monty version 2014.08 as the rest of us were leaving.
	
	PCLOS is one of the better rolling release distributions according to 
the Distrowatch Weekly News which has reviews of current distribution 
and separate assessments of the rolling releases.

	The Full Monty version presents a KDE interface locked in
a 6 virtual desktop configuration with nearly every tool in opened
directories with icons to start them up,  That is a bit much for
me.  It would seem to take a high end machine with a very good
graphics card with plenty of video ram.  I have this already on
a flash drive if anyone wants to see a demonstration at a future
meeting.

	Knoppix is well known as a useful distribution for various
problems or as a way to install Debian.  I have the iso file and
maybe a copy or two on disk in addition to the copy on a flash drive
for quicker access when problems arise.
	So when I lent that copy to Tom I was losing nothing and
I had already packed up at 8 PM when the matter arose.

	Jim gave myself, Eric and Joseph P. rides onward.

	The next meeting at the Cafe will be on December 7.
	I will notice it the week before the meeting as usual.

	Thanks for your attention.

	Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Nov 21 11:32:44 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:32:44 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG -  Mikki back & Bill Hill.
Message-ID: <546F935C.6020101@dslextreme.com>


Hi Mikki,
	You and Bill have been added to my template,
	SF-LUG mailing list is down at the present time.
	It may come back eventually but we cannot say
anything positive about it.

	Next Monday meeting will not be until December 15th.

	Bobbie

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	re-establishing contacts
Date: 	Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:36:49 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: 	Mikki <mikkimc at earthlink.net>
Reply-To: 	Mikki <mikkimc at earthlink.net>
To: 	bill hill <aropoika at gmail.com>, bobbie sellers 
<bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>


Hi, All

"bill hill" <aropoika at gmail.com>,
"bobbie sellers\" <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>,
"LUG  group" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>,

Bill says his computer lo longer receives messages from the LUG group.

I said I would dig out my record, and forward the addresses to him. 
Aslo, contact Bobbi, and let her add him to her temp. data base.

I also have issues with computer (when ever not???),  and may show up 
the next Monday night meeting.

I see that Bobbi might help, getting my account over to DSL Extreme only 
- I have them for online, but I am running a complicated system that I 
don't like - DSL-Earthlink- and want to go over to only DSL, and get my 
WiFi working again, and get a password set up with DSL.  Don't know how. 
  Businesses confuse me.


Bless All

Mikki





From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Nov 22 07:59:40 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 07:59:40 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Rat Poison kills the Mouse
Message-ID: <5470B2EC.3070205@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGers,

     Hate to take your hands from the keyboard?

     From time to time I read rants about how bad WIMP interfaces are.
     Rat Poison is a tiling window manager for Linux, it is managed 
without a mouse.

<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ratpoison>

     I found out about it while researching Salix which is a 
distribution making use of Slack repositories.
     I have the iso file and by next meeting if I can calm down
I will have a DVD.  I will not be getting a Rat Poison iso file
unless someone requests it.

	Bobbie

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Nov 24 09:35:00 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:35:00 -0800
Subject: Request to join the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <547367C9.8050004@well.com>
References: <CAGBYV2Ui9vPbjfzezpzaXu3JL8TVStWK-CvqUbu+CPxmXLcohQ@mail.gmail.com> <547367C9.8050004@well.com>
Message-ID: <54736C44.9070604@dslextreme.com>

Hi Jim,
     Michael Rojas, <ledworldwide.solutions at gmail.com>,
  has been added to the mailing list template.
     How did he hear about us?

     Thanks for your assistance.

     Bobbie

On 11/24/2014 09:15 AM, jim wrote:
>
>     the host for the sf-lug mailing list is down
> and the owner is out of the country. So we're
> out of luck until the owner returns to fix the
> machine. I've copied Bobbie so she can add
> you to the temporary mailing list she's
> cooked up.
>     welcome. our next meeting is Sunday,
> December 7 from 11 to 1 PM and after that
> on the evening of Monday, December 15,
> from 6 to 8 PM at the Cafe Enchante on the
> corner of Geary and 26th.
>
>
>
> On 11/22/2014 07:17 PM, Michael Rojas wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> My name is Michael Rojas.  I am a resident of SF and came across the 
>> website for the Linux Users Group for SF.
>>
>> I'm interested in joining the mailing list, but the link on the 
>> website isn't working correctly.
>>
>> I see that the meetings are near my house on Geary and 26th--I hope 
>> to see you there in the near future.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> -Mike-
>>
>
>


From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Nov 28 19:49:05 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:49:05 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Maestro needs advice on a 32 bit distribution of Linux
Message-ID: <54794231.8050506@dslextreme.com>


	Hi Maestro,
		Pushing PCLinux OS which had enjoyed a decent review
	as a rolling release on Distrowatch.
	
	If you want a downloaded iso file burned on a disk,
  let me know.

	Bobbie

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	/686.box
Date: 	Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:11:43 -0800
From: 	maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com>
To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>


Hey bobbie,
Will you PLEASE forward this to the current list you have?...
I appreciate you...
Thanks...

Hail info holders...
I have an older 686(32bit) Toshi laptop with need of a distro...
I am guilty of being out of the loop with the CURRENT best distros in
this architecture...
I want stable, rolling release, fast, clean, & installed on the
internal hard drive...
On boot via main power button it gives:
"Invalid partition table" when attempting to boot certain distros,
others boot through to recognize & print iso version on one line only.
I booted a distro someone gave me called Haran's (Heren's) which
booted up fine & has a mini-distro of RIP Linux...
It loaded files remotely, offered to search & setup network,
recognizes wifi networks, lists directories in the terminal, offered
to setup partitions, & recognised partitions with fdisk...
This is encouraging...
Now I'd appreciate your sounding off to a nice, fast, clean, rolling
release distro besides debian (or lighter crunch bang) which I LOVE to
install on this box...
Thanks in advance...


Message ends.
_______________


-- 


*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Dec  1 10:41:47 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:41:47 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Weekly meetings on December 3 and December 4
Message-ID: <547CB66B.9080907@dslextreme.com>

The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or 
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)

     bliss

     ==================================

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge 
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in 
San Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph

     ==================================

     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others 
is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...

When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays

Where: Downtown S.F.
1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)

Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk

Access: Wheelchair accessible
BART => Civic Center
MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,

or just walk through beautiful S.F.

Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on 
premises.

Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.

     Thanks for your attention!
     Maestro

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Dec  1 10:44:58 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:44:58 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting of Sunday December 7, 2014
Message-ID: <547CB72A.2080407@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

   SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
and every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

	So I got lucky at the Fog City News on the 26th of November and got the 
Linux Pro magazine for December.  It has on the DVD, Oracle Linux 7 and 
KaOS Linux 2014.08. both in 64 bit versions.

	Cover articles include Android Security, FACY Facebook stream at the 
command line, 3 articles on WebDev in focus, Discourse a Forum tool for 
the 21st Century, Krita better than GIMP?. YAD which lets you
add GUI style dialogue to your scripts. and Strut for server presentation.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     Meeting times are nominal so that if you come after 7:30 PM
we may have left.

	Thanks for your attention.

	Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Dec  6 19:59:29 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 19:59:29 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
Message-ID: <5483D0A1.7060806@dslextreme.com>

	Grant wanted this forwarded to the list.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Call for elections ubuntu-us-ca
Date: 	Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:30:23 -0800
From: 	Grant Bowman <grantbow at ubuntu.com>
To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>,


Who do you know that might want to run?
<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2014-December/002540.html>

Cheers,
Grant


From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Dec  8 17:52:21 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:52:21 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting coming up on December 15, 2014 & brief report of
 meeting of December 7, 2014
Message-ID: <548655D5.7090902@dslextreme.com>


   SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
and every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     Meeting times are nominal so that if you come after 7:30 PM
we may have left.

	I will have at least a couple of issues of Linux Pro Magazine
and intend to download and try to make an bootable DVD of a live
version of Fedora 21

	Got there about 1040, very crowded.
	Moved to a central table ASAP.
	Ken Schaefer and wife showed up fairly early,
	Ken brought along a broken computer and all his expertise with
which he helped me as much as possible with my machine.  We used
Knoppix 7.4.2 to check the disk partitions and found no errors,
We tried Boot Repair Disk several times but since it could not connect
to the net (apparently)it failed every time.

	John Strazziano showed up with the inexpensive small desktop machine 
bur left it in his car. He has a problem with an iffy network
connector on his older laptop.

	Joseph Puig showed up and enjoyed the conversation I believe.
	Jim Stockford showed up about the time were were getting a bit
worried.  He borrowed the latest Linux Pro to read a specific set of
articles about new tools for the WWW I believe.

	Eric showed up about the end of the meeting.
	Ken and I worked on the notebook until the end of the meeting.
	It wanted to be on the Web but the Boot Repair Disk could not
connect at the Cafe probably due to the limited number of drivers 
available on the CD.
	
	Around 1 PM we adjourned as the Shaffers exited wishing us all
a Merry Christmas.  Jim gave myself, Joseph and Eric a ride onward
while he bought the little desktop from John.  Eric got a couple of
hot dogs at FrankenArt and I was home by 1:45 PM.


	Thanks for your attention.

	Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Dec  8 18:09:53 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:09:53 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Weekly meetings of SF-LUG on Wednesday 10 December and on
 Thursday 11 December.
Message-ID: <548659F1.3010206@dslextreme.com>


The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or 
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)

     bliss

     ==================================

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge 
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in 
San Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph

     ==================================

     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others 
is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...

When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays

Where: Downtown S.F.
1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)

Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk

Access: Wheelchair accessible
BART => Civic Center
MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,

or just walk through beautiful S.F.

Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on 
premises.

Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.

     Thanks for your attention!
     Maestro

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec  9 11:33:07 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:33:07 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Ubuntu Tablet fundtaising/Fedora 21 released
Message-ID: <54874E73.7030304@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,
	Ubuntu tablet with a terabyte of storage?

	Maybe you are interested and maybe not but If interested take a look here,
	<https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-ubutab-a-1tb-ubuntu-tablet-for-media-lovers>

	Fedora 21 is out as workstation or server just Google for Distrowatch 
or for Fedora.  I am downloading the workstation version
right now.

`bliss


From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec  9 21:06:59 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:06:59 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - New live disks for next meeting, Fedora 21.
Message-ID: <5487D4F3.3080203@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

	I downloaded both the Fedora Live W(ork)S(tation) 21-5 and the
Fedora Live KDE 21-5 both for the x86_64.
	Both on DVDs booted without problems.
	Both have tools to install the iso file to Flash Drives for faster 
responses.  This is a good idea by the way as the boot is a
bit slow.

	If anyone wants to try out the 686 versions let me know
ASAP.
	Kernel is 3.17.x and works fine.

	The Work Station version is fairly complete but the KDE version
lacks a lot of the KDE tools that i use every day.  It does not
have Firefox but Conqueror. The KDE is not extremely advanced but the
plasma cashew when its space is taken up by a panel shrinks down to
a small square with the same capabilities as the full size cashew at
least in the upper right hand corner.  This is a neat trick and I hope
the version of KDE in Mageia release 5 due next month has it.

	No problems working with either versions.
	WS has Libre Office tools while  the KDE uses another
system, Calligra, I believe.
	So it has nearly all the other desktop window managers
available on separate iso files, Mate, LXDE, Xfce.
	
	Hope to see some of you guys next Monday.

	Bobbie

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Dec 11 11:47:59 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:47:59 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Fedora spins.
Message-ID: <5489F4EF.9010803@dslextreme.com>

Hi Luggers
	I don't know how many people know about the alternative iso files for 
Fedora available

<https://spins.fedoraproject.org/>
      What is a spin? Fedora spins are alternative versions of Fedora,
tailored for various types of users via hand-picked application sets
or customizations.

Learn more about spins  by going to the URL above but here is a short list

#1     KDE         A complete, modern desktop built using the KDE Plasma 
Desktop.
#2     Xfce         A complete, well-integrated Xfce desktop.
#3     LXDE         A light, fast, less-resource hungry desktop environment.
#4     Security         Security analysis tools.
#5     MATE-Compiz         A classic Fedora Desktop. With wobbly Windows.
#6     Electronic-Lab         Fedora's high-end hardware design and 
simulation
platform.
#7     Scientific-KDE         Open Source Scientific Computing.
#8     SoaS         Discover. Reflect. Share. Learn.
#9     Design-suite         Open Creativity.
#10     Games         A perfect show-case of the best games available in 
Fedora.
#11     Jam-KDE         Unleash your inner musician.
#12     Robotics         Dive into Robotics.

	So if anyone sees something they would like to try out but
cannot download themselves. let me know which you are interested in
and what processor architecture your computer requires and I will
be happy to download it/

	Bobbie Sellers aka bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com

	Hope to see you on Monday evening at the Cafe Enchante.

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 16 09:11:07 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:11:07 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting at Cafe Enchante on December 15, 2014
Message-ID: <549067AB.8050104@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,
	Well it was a small meeting but high quality.
	I got my notebook setup about 5:55 PM.
1800 Michael Paoli showed up and in a few minutes, Michael Rojas
1810 Maestro showed up
1830 Josep Puig came in.
Maestro brought along his older 32 bit notebook and I gave him the
32 bit disks or recent distributions he was interested in.
But he had a problem with his machine and it resisted booting
from most CDs or Flash drives so we all got involved in the
problem.  Finally seemed to be an old BIOS or hardware problem.
	We could not fix it but if it can be fixed Maestro has
plenty of various 32 bit Linux distributions to try on it.
  	Michael Rojas was interested in the distribution I use
Mageia 4.1 from last year and I demonstrated the main line
Fedora 21 with it Gnome-like interface.  Then I showed off
my own installation of Mageia and briefly demonstrated
  PCLOS Full Monty.  Micheal Rojas took Mageia 4.1
  and Fedora 21 disks home along with a recent edition of
  Linux Pro magazine.
  	As it chanced Jim Stockford was feeling too ill to
get to the meeting and so informed me in a phone call
Monday afternoon.
	At 8 PM the meeting was adjourned though the two
Michaels were still talking about one and another thing,
including other LUG meetings and the new group interested
in software controlled radio,
	Michael P. had brought along a lot of disks and several books,
one on Ubuntu and the other relating to Cloud Administration.  I think
Michael Rojas may have taken one or the other.

	If I neglected anything important I am sure the attendees will
be willing to remind me.

	This was the final meeting at the Cafe Enchante in 2014.
	Next meeting at the Cafe Enchante will be on
  Sunday, December 4. 2015.
	I will send a regular announcement out on the 29th December unless 
factors beyond my control prevent.

	Happy Holidays!
	
	Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 16 09:13:02 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:13:02 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG  Weekly meeting reminders for Wednesday December 17 and Thursday
  December 18
Message-ID: <5490681E.2040600@dslextreme.com>

The facilitators of these meeting should send any corrections or 
emendations to not only the mailer but to all the names on the mailing
list(assuming you have that option in directing your mail.)

	bliss

	==================================

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion Group meeting at Noisebridge 
on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in 
San Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph

	==================================

     The Linux Study Group in direct association with SF-LUG and others 
is holding a Sys.Admin 101 class and learn by doing sessions...

When: Every Thursday 15:00-17:00 (03:00-05:00 p.m)save holidays

Where: Downtown S.F.
1003 Turk St. /Gough & /Laguna
WACTC (Western Addition Community TechnologyCenter)

Please SIGN-IN when you arrive @ the front desk

Access: Wheelchair accessible
BART => Civic Center
MUNI rail => Van Ness LocalMUNI buses => 31, 5, 38, 49, 47, 24, 16,

or just walk through beautiful S.F.

Please bring your laptop if you have one, we do  have some hardware on 
premises.

Everyone welcome, different skill levels attend and teach/learn/share.


From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 16 16:37:10 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:37:10 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - need a present for a kid who might be interested in computers?
Message-ID: <5490D036.3080807@dslextreme.com>


    The Kano kit is a box full of an assemble-it-yourself Raspberry Pi
computer, everything but a display.  For some reason I found it hard
to read the site but it costs $149.99  It has its own OS, Kano OS
     <http://www.kano.me/kit>
     The keyboard has no shift-lock key.  it is quite different, puts the
touch pad to the side.

         Well I hope that some find this data useful.

     bliss

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 16 17:57:38 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:57:38 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Re:Kano computer kit.
Message-ID: <5490E312.80104@dslextreme.com>

Alex K.  sent me this note and I am forwarding to you all so
that if their is interest you can express it/

On 2014-12-16 16:37, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
 > The Kano kit is a box full of an assemble-it-yourself Raspberry Pi
 > computer, everything but a display.  For some reason I found it hard
 > to read the site but it costs $149.99  It has its own OS, Kano OS
 >     <http://www.kano.me/kit>
 >     The keyboard has no shift-lock key.  it is quite different, puts the
 > touch pad to the side.
 >
 >         Well I hope that some find this data useful.
 >
 >     bliss

I have one.  If there is enough interest, I'd be pleased to bring it to 
a meeting for people to see 'in person.'  Sameer's daughter, Mira, also 
has one.  He might be on your mailing list, I'm not sure.

Alex

	Sameer is on the list.

	Bobbie

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 16 20:18:20 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:18:20 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Re:Kano computer kit.
In-Reply-To: <201412170201.sBH21BBm025604@d.mail.sonic.net>
References: <201412170201.sBH21BBm025604@d.mail.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5491040C.3060009@dslextreme.com>


On 12/16/2014 06:01 PM, Alex Kleider wrote:
> Perhaps he and Mira would also agree to come and we could have two of them to demonstrate.
        That would be good.
     However we have to give time for people to pay attention to the 
SF-LUG e-mail
at this time of year.  People are incredibly busy if they have family.

     Bobbie
> On Dec 16, 2014 5:57 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> Alex K.  sent me this note and I am forwarding to you all so
>> that if their is interest you can express it/
>>
>> On 2014-12-16 16:37, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> The Kano kit is a box full of an assemble-it-yourself Raspberry Pi
>>> computer, everything but a display.  For some reason I found it hard
>>> to read the site but it costs $149.99  It has its own OS, Kano OS
>>>       <http://www.kano.me/kit>
>>>       The keyboard has no shift-lock key.  it is quite different, puts the
>>> touch pad to the side.
>>>
>>>           Well I hope that some find this data useful.
>>>
>>>       bliss
>> I have one.  If there is enough interest, I'd be pleased to bring it to
>> a meeting for people to see 'in person.'  Sameer's daughter, Mira, also
>> has one.  He might be on your mailing list, I'm not sure.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> Sameer is on the list.
>>
>> Bobbie
>>


From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Dec 17 07:17:30 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:17:30 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting at Cafe Enchante on December 15, 2014
In-Reply-To: <CANe-2tei_TJ1N4GehDiW4H+H_NZuvUM_1n3mu6Cas=wPfkWQtw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549067AB.8050104@dslextreme.com> <CANe-2tei_TJ1N4GehDiW4H+H_NZuvUM_1n3mu6Cas=wPfkWQtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54919E8A.20204@dslextreme.com>


On 12/16/2014 09:04 PM, maestro wrote:
> Quoting bobbie s.:
>> This was the final meeting at the Cafe Enchante in 2014.
>> Next meeting at the Cafe Enchante will be on Sunday, December 4. 2015.
> Taking the year off are we or making it an annual LTS?...
>
> ;-)

     Thank you Maestro!

     That should be Sunday January 4, 2015 of course!

     Thanks again!

     Bobbie
>
>
> Message ends.
> _________________
>
> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi LUGgers,
>>          Well it was a small meeting but high quality.
>>          I got my notebook setup about 5:55 PM.
>> 1800 Michael Paoli showed up and in a few minutes, Michael Rojas
>> 1810 Maestro showed up
>> 1830 Josep Puig came in.
>> Maestro brought along his older 32 bit notebook and I gave him the
>> 32 bit disks or recent distributions he was interested in.
>> But he had a problem with his machine and it resisted booting
>> from most CDs or Flash drives so we all got involved in the
>> problem.  Finally seemed to be an old BIOS or hardware problem.
>>          We could not fix it but if it can be fixed Maestro has
>> plenty of various 32 bit Linux distributions to try on it.
>>          Michael Rojas was interested in the distribution I use
>> Mageia 4.1 from last year and I demonstrated the main line
>> Fedora 21 with it Gnome-like interface.  Then I showed off
>> my own installation of Mageia and briefly demonstrated
>>   PCLOS Full Monty.  Micheal Rojas took Mageia 4.1
>>   and Fedora 21 disks home along with a recent edition of
>>   Linux Pro magazine.
>>          As it chanced Jim Stockford was feeling too ill to
>> get to the meeting and so informed me in a phone call
>> Monday afternoon.
>>          At 8 PM the meeting was adjourned though the two
>> Michaels were still talking about one and another thing,
>> including other LUG meetings and the new group interested
>> in software controlled radio,
>>          Michael P. had brought along a lot of disks and several books,
>> one on Ubuntu and the other relating to Cloud Administration.  I think
>> Michael Rojas may have taken one or the other.
>>
>>          If I neglected anything important I am sure the attendees will
>> be willing to remind me.
>>
>>          This was the final meeting at the Cafe Enchante in 2014.
>>          Next meeting at the Cafe Enchante will be on
>>   Sunday, January 4. 2015.
>>          I will send a regular announcement out on the 29th December
> unless factors beyond my control prevent.
>>          Happy Holidays!
>>
>>          Bobbie Sellers
>>


From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Dec 24 07:09:12 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:09:12 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
Message-ID: <549AD718.7070507@dslextreme.com>

Happy Holidays!!

Celebrate 'em if you got 'em!

	Oh, yes! Remember to have a
  Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year in 2015!

bliss


From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Dec 24 08:39:36 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:39:36 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
In-Reply-To: <2F5AC742-7906-4084-91E7-5F7EE41FCF7C@yahoo.com>
References: <549AD718.7070507@dslextreme.com> <2F5AC742-7906-4084-91E7-5F7EE41FCF7C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <549AEC48.1040502@dslextreme.com>


On 12/24/2014 08:08 AM, John Strazzarino wrote:
> Thanks Santa Bobbie,
>
> Don't forget the January  4th meeting!  I'll have my Xmas toy with me for show-n-tell ...Raspberry Pi model B+
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
        I won't.  That will be how I start my New Year afaik.
        Also I have just downloaded and expect to have 
pclinuxos64-kde-2014.12 in
at least 2 versions at the meeting and more besides on disk or on Flash 
Drive.
     All to be talked about next Monday, 29 December.  Now go enjoy your
Holidays.  Remember Kwanzaa starts on the 26th if you are not having a good
enough time.

     bliss
     Sent from my notebox - HPP-TS-15-n225nrc


>
>> On Dec 24, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>> Happy Holidays!!
>>
>> Celebrate 'em if you got 'em!
>>
>>     Oh, yes! Remember to have a
>> Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year in 2015!
>>
>> bliss
>>


From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Dec 24 08:44:41 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:44:41 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
In-Reply-To: <CANe-2tcs0RgnpODmoZfgEWAUcCfAgBvx29ziiq8KG-x4hBS5NA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549AD718.7070507@dslextreme.com> <CANe-2tcs0RgnpODmoZfgEWAUcCfAgBvx29ziiq8KG-x4hBS5NA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549AED79.9070407@dslextreme.com>


On 12/24/2014 08:26 AM, maestro wrote:
> Thanks for keeping a nice welcoming home for us to come to in our 
> travels year round mama penguin...
> Rock steady...

     You are welcome.
     It keeps me off the streets & trying to get "geek-speak" out of 
strangers
who have no idea what a checksum is or the difference between Kilobytes,
Megabytes and Gigabytes, ram, rom or eeprom.

     bliss
>
>
> Message ends.
> ________________
>
> On Wednesday, December 24, 2014, Bobbie Sellers 
> <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com <mailto:bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>> 
> wrote:
> > Happy Holidays!!
> >
> > Celebrate 'em if you got 'em!
> >
> >         Oh, yes! Remember to have a
> >  Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year in 2015!
> >
> > bliss
> >
> >
>
> -- 
>
> *~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
>
>

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Dec 29 10:53:42 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:53:42 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Meeting Next Sunday January 4, 2015
Message-ID: <54A1A336.1080503@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

   SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
and every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     Meeting times are nominal so that if you show up too late
we may have left.

     I have obtained Kubuntu 15.04 Alpha Vivid Vervet and it works
well, booting up in Live Mode to KDE 5.x  The task bar is white
and the background is pastel tile in a triangular format. The
use of the next release of KDE was the main point of interest
to me.  KDE 5 seems more solid than the early KDE 4.x releases
which were pretty much shoved down the users' throats, i.e. if
you wanted the other updates then you had to use the new version
of KDE.
	The 1.2 Gigabyte iso file includes lots of good software
but not everything that I prefer.

	As well I was able to get the latest WiFiSlax 4.10 which
is full of tools all having to do with WiFi and finding out how
to use them would be an education in networking in itself.
	As indicated by the name it uses Slaxware repositories
but can use others from what I can figure out.  One thing is that
this is a Spanish release and while parts of that can be changed
to English perhaps more easily on a hard disk install with the
live mode it is less accommodating.  The iso file is 795 Megabytes
so it has to go on a DVD and be read by a DVD drive.

	==================================	
	
	Just before Christmas PCLOS released a full set of updates
calling it 2014.12 in all the formats and architectures it supports.
So if users have kept up with the updates then they have no use
to install this except as an easier starting point if they have
a problem with the current install.
	Better than that they promise the next release sometime
in 2015 will have a lot of stuff that were previously rejected
by developers of PCLOS."Future releases will default to GRUB2
and support UEFI and GPT partition formats."to quote from the
release announcement.
	I have the iso files for each version of KDE live/install
disks/or Flash Drives.   I will say that I had a failure on my
attempt to make a bootable update drive from the iso in live
mode but had no trouble finding the iso files in my Downloads
directory.  I will be making a couple of DVDs for 32 bit and
64 bit KDE versions.  If you want an alternative desktop
environment such as Mate or LXDE let me know and I will try to
get a copy for you.

		==================================	

	Finally I got a copy of Rosa, a Russian fork of Mandriva.
	I have't had time to sort it out yet,

	Hope to see you at the meeting.

	Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 30 14:33:48 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:33:48 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before sending
Message-ID: <54A3284C.9050303@dslextreme.com>



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 30 14:18:22 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:18:22 -0800
Subject: It's a gift (not a newsletter) ; and an offer from SF-LUG
In-Reply-To: <CAEJyW4KM3E=e5WXtLuGPQQp4J7umOOUdWPhnzVLG3+WkSQip9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1419689522.7376.0.708041@post.oreilly.com>	<54A315D3.7090107@well.com> <CAEJyW4KM3E=e5WXtLuGPQQp4J7umOOUdWPhnzVLG3+WkSQip9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A324AE.9030608@dslextreme.com>


On 12/30/2014 01:56 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>> A couple of meetings ago, a few SF-LUG folks agreed to
>> purchase some old box in good working order and with
>> sufficient resources to host a MailMan system. Rick, if
>> this offer will help you, please let us know: we're willing
>> to find, vet, purchase, and deliver. I'm interested in
>> seeing if I can provide an electrical processing system
>> that can protect your machines from over- and under-
>> voltage mishaps.
>>
> Hey, thanks to all of you for the lovely and thoughtful offer.
>
> Thing is, I actually do have a bunch of hardware sitting in my garage.  At
> least one of them is very likely a functional 1U or 2U rackmount server,
> which is the right sort of thing to use.  (Many desktop boxes have things
> about them that make them unsuitable, such as many desktop machines' ATX
> power supplies not being able to be configured to bring the machine back up
> without manual intervention when the power returns after a power outage.)
>
> Just before I went on my last vacation, I moved the hard drives from my
> server from the failed VA Linux Systems model 2230 to a spare model 2230.
> To my relief, I got video and was able to boot an Aptosid live CD.  Even
> better, I was able to mount my server system's partitions, verified that
> they were readable, and update my backups of everything.  Thus, at that
> point, I was no longer in danger of having to revert to an old backup.
>
> Using the live CD, I then attempted to fix the software problems that were
> the _other_ issue aside from failed hardware.  (To recap, I had been doing
> system updates, and (skipping some details) the system segfaulted in the
> middle of the system software upgrade. I cold booted, but there was from
> that point forward no video at all, nor beeps, i.e., it acted as if I'd had
> failure of the motherboard or other key system hardware.)   I was not able
> to find a way to make the system bootable through some hours of
> experimentation - was getting some bizarre GRUB errors - and had to defer
> the matter because I had to leave to catch our flight to Barbados.  So, I
> powered down the machine.
>
> When I got back from Barbados, I found something perplexing:  I heard the
> system fan running, and saw the blue power light on the front panel, i.e.,
> it was powered up (even though I'd left the system powered down).  However,
> despite that, there was no video.  Cold booting the system resulted in...
> no video.  This was really bizarre.  The symptom suggested that there had
> been a power outage during my time in the Caribbean, and upon the return of
> power, my system had come online (I hadn't unplugged it, just powered it
> down), and that there had then been a second and similar hardware failure.
> But this seemed like an implausible coincidence, as perhaps you would agree.

     We had a power outage here in San Francisco  on 11 December so
you likely had one too,

         Was off line for about 3 hours. 7:20-10:20 AM
Shut down deliberately when the battery hit 50%.
     Was getting worried about the refrigerator.
>
> Time and experimentation and use of careful logic can get to the bottom of
> the matter.  I just haven't lately had the patience to do that, and have
> been quite busy with other commitments in the meantime.  Sooner or later, I
> _do_ plan on sitting out in my very cold garage for as long as it takes.  I
> certainly could give up on debugging the VA Linux Systems gear, and just
> attempt to build from scratch a replacement software configuration on one
> of the other spare machines I have.  I'd prefer not to do that, because
> building a new server configuration instead of just tracking down the one
> software problem that made my system unbootable is a LARGE amount of extra
> work.
>
> And, thus, you'll notice, the resource I'm short on is not machines, but
> rather time, patience, and focus on the problem.
>
> About over/under-voltage:  Last year, concerned about that very thing, I
> set about dealing with that.  First thing I did was to buy an APC UPS unit
> over at Central Computer.  However, this never seemed like really the right
> solution, just the commercially easy thing to acquire:  A UPS isn't
> actually very great at dealing with power fluctuations (and sometime is
> useless at that, depending on the type), and also interposes a new single
> point of failure in the form of a big lead-acid battery that can, itself,
> bring down your system.  Also, the UPS generates quite a bit of heat, which
> bloats your PG&E bill, and you have to buy replacement lead-acid battery
> packs every few years, which are a large percentage of the cost of the
> entire UPS, each time you have to buy them.
>
> What the UPS mostly does - the problem that it exists to solve - is bridge
> you across short-duration outages, making it so you don't lose power and
> have continuous uptime.  Continuous uptime is abstractly nice, but is the
> thing I care least about:  Linux servers come right back up after power
> returns.  That's what we have journaled filesystems for.  So, given that
> fact, why would I want to put a continually expensive, heat-producing,
> potentially problematic bit of hardware between the AC outlet and my unit,
> one that isn't even very good at line regulation, and that can be a Single
> Point of Failure that otherwise wouldn't exist?
>
> In short, I have not been in a hurry to deploy the UPS, because it's mostly
> a solution to the wrong problem, a solution to a problem I don't care about
> very much.  On reflection, I realised that the right solution is a line
> conditioner unit, not a UPS.  And I don't mean the miserable rubbish you
> can get at Fry's, either.  The problem was:  Where do you get a line
> conditioner of the variety that people acquire who are serious about the
> problem?
     I had to run a line conditioner to keep my C=64 reliable when I did
book keeping on it for a friend back in the 1970s.
>
> Last summer, I solved that problem:  I went to the De Anza College
> Electronics Swap, very early in the morning, and found a vendor who was
> selling a ham-radio-grade line conditioner unit.  I have that with my gear,
> and expect to use it going forward.
>
> Thanks again.
>
         Good to hear from you Rick.

         Bobbie Sellers

From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 30 14:31:47 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:31:47 -0800
Subject: Fwd: It's a gift (not a newsletter) ; and an offer from SF-LUG
In-Reply-To: <54A315D3.7090107@well.com>
References: <1419689522.7376.0.708041@post.oreilly.com> <54A315D3.7090107@well.com>
Message-ID: <54A327D3.3020900@dslextreme.com>


On 12/30/2014 01:14 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> Here I've forwarded to y'all what O'Reilly sent me today.
> I've painstakingly copied each of your email addresses
> into the To: fields that Thunderbird presents (I'm sure
> there's a better way, but I'm lazy today). Scroll down
> and click the "this page" link to download a free e-book
> (after you provide your info to the O'Reilly marketing team).
     Jim,
  If you can pick out a post from my past make a copy and save
it to the Templates folder on Thunderbird.  Open the post in the Templates
folder and edit it to remove all the text then save it back to the Templates
with the addresses intact.
     When you want to mail something to the list you just open the
template copy and edit it.
     As a matter of fact to make it easy I will send out a template
with all but the bcc addresses (only 3) to everyone on the list.

     Then anyone as in a proper anarchy can initiate a discussion.
>
> A couple of meetings ago, a few SF-LUG folks agreed to
> purchase some old box in good working order and with
> sufficient resources to host a MailMan system. Rick, if
> this offer will help you, please let us know: we're willing
> to find, vet, purchase, and deliver. I'm interested in
> seeing if I can provide an electrical processing system
> that can protect your machines from over- and under-
> voltage mishaps.
>
> jim
> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime

     Later
     Bobbei
>
>
>
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 30 14:35:47 2014
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:35:47 -0800
Subject: SF-LUG - Blank Form EDIT before Mailing
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