[sf-lug] recommended Linux distributions to install on dual or tri boot

Thu Feb 27 19:44:12 PST 2014

On 02/27/2014 07:12 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
> Hi Michael and all,
> I have to say that I was not thinking about this option - separate hard drive just for Linux. Could you point to some relevant info/literature to go though on the topic?
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> Till now I was using Linux distro on one partition, another partition for user and other for data (which was NTFS or FAT32 so usable also under Windows). I created also partition for Windows but never really use it, went the way of Virtual Machine from Oracle instead. This time I have to do that because I think it is nearly impossible to run all the Korean language related software easily on Linux in other words usable for my girlfriend without any special tempering with. Also I'm bit tired of programs like Sketch Up etc. sometimes working and sometimes not, so for some special applications I can use Windows 8.1 and the main work load do at Linux - as always.
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> I definitely want to improve my backing up habits, I'm very bad on the topic and several times I was just lucky not loosing quite some data - on the other hand most of it except photos is now on the cloud under Google drive.
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> If you could share some online based literature on the separate had drive set up for Windows and Linux, that would be nice, as I said before this doesn't really hurry, I can also install the computer now and reinstall it later. We do not have Windows 8.1 legal software yet, so I can do just Linux now and get the hard drive for Windows later on.
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> Talk to you soon, back to creating the up to date Linux Mint USB from the terminal by dd command.
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> Sincerely,
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> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck

     Frantisek,
         The best way to install Windows of any vintage is before any 
other OS.  Windows demands to be first.
And it also wants the whole drive so if swapping drives is not appealing 
get another for Windows and
pre-format the drive so that Windows can only see about half of it so 
then the install will use that half.
By the way Windows 7 is more desirable.   After the install  of Windows 
then you can install the Linux
of your choice and copy the data from your old drive.  The partition 
resizing programs on Windows
may have to be used and you may not find them adequate as the Windows 
install puts certain
immovable files deep into the partition it is installed on. Remember to 
run Windows file optimizing
programs before you try to resize it.   The Linux tools may reduce the 
Windows partition but it
may not be able to relocate those files and then the Windows 
installation will not work.

     Good luck..

     Bobbie

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> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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> On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:59 AM, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> thanks for the report.
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> disk drives are cheap. why not get a separate drive for linux? would
> make backup, maintenance, upgrading, re-installation (if necessary), and
> emergency recovery (if necessary) much easier.
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> m
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> On 02/27/2014 04:52 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
>> Hi Michael and all,
>> many thanks for the tip I will go through that!
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>> Concerning the computer in this case we got a grant for a fermentation facility and cafe-bar from a local government so I put on the list a desktop computer - wanted something nice for $1500 or so without screen but had to go down to $700-800 with monitor. I've to check properly the details but it has some 3 GH four core processor, 4 GB of DDR3 memory and 500 GB hard drive, it is HP Pavilion  500-021kl series. In other words it is I would say cheaper end of "up to date" computer. I decided for desktop compared to laptop because it will be used at one location and I wanted to last it in a decent shape for longer and be cheaper to upgrade (and also cheaper to buy regarding power=price). That was at least my thinking
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>> Concerning happiness with the machine well we will see. It doesn't have a restart button and only HD DVD output which seems to me to be a little overkill, I will have to get somewhere converter to VGA (I hope that is possible, have seen it somewhere I think) so I can use also older monitors and data projectors. It got me a bit at the beginning with the UEFI and the FreeDos, so that was not smooth but I think I will have to see what the future will bring. I hope that it will work fine for next two years or so with minimal upgrades, probably some extra DDR memory up to 8 or 16 GB and hard disk extra 1-2 Tera, if I can effort it - definitely not now :-)
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>> I'll keep in touch, I think today I'll try to create up to date memory stick with Linux Mint Petra and do partitioning. Have to be careful about the Windows partition, on my girlfriend's computer I dedicated 30-40 GB to Windows 7 and it is not enough, so for the Windows 8.1 I hope 80 GB will do, have to do a bit of reading on that.
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>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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>> On Friday, February 28, 2014 3:58 AM, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Either Gentoo or LFS (Linux From Scratch) will teach you tons. Perhaps
>> too much work before you get to use it though.
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>> By the way, what sort of laptop did you get, and are you happy with it?
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>> Michael
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>> On 02/25/2014 04:34 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
>>> Hi to all,
>>> I need to install variety of operating systems on a new machine and I need especially recommendation for some Linux distro, something new to me which will challenge me a bit and help me to get back in shape, more info below under THIRD OPERATING SYSTEM or SUMMARY. I've quite decent machine now which I will be installing so partitioning the disk and deciding what to put on it. From the hardware point of view it has quadro core processor on 3 GH, 4 GB of DDR so kind of fine at the moment, I should not worry about the basic functionality - it is brand new lower power style computer.
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>>> I plan to install Linux Mint as for the time being most often used operation system - I've moved from Ubuntu because of the Unity and also because of feeling that they are getting too commercial (last time when I was downloading Ubuntu I was not sure any more if I have to pay or not and did not feel good about that in general).
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>>> I need to install also Windows. Before I used virtual box from Oracle but this time I will need to have complete system probably Window 8.1 on a dedicated partition.
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>>> THIRD OPERATING SYSTEM will be Linux and I do hesitate what distro to choose, this is the "core" of this post I would say. I've been using Ubuntu since 2007 till 2012 as my main operating system, and Linux Mint since, so more or less the same thing for 7 years or so, I would say that I'm lower intermediate concerning the knowledge or good basic user. The last two years especially I feel that my knowledge of Linux and admin skills are going downhill quite pretty fast and I'm using less and less terminal which is definitely not helping - I prefer terminal to graphical interface, I think it is more "clean", if you know what you are doing and using it made me learn quite a bit before. So at the moment I'm wondering what distribution of Linux should I choose so it keeps me fit I would say and "hits me" with some challenges but still I would be able to do something in it. Now what do I want to achieve in the upcoming months: I will be playing more with local
>>>       networks being admin on them (several computers involved, I did that before and it was great way how to learn, it keeps you very fit) and I want to start my own server, nothing big just slowly start to build up the knowledge and experience. The network will have to be feasible for different Linux distributions and Windows, I will need people to be able to share data and connect to the printers etc. Also I will need an access to "distant computers" like from office to my home network etc. I think that should be most of the activities which I can imagine now from the network point of view, concerning the server I do not really now too much about that so hard to say. The security of all above doesn't have to be very high, lets say standard level should do.
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>>> SUMMARY. So to conclude and summarize. I need to install two different Linux distros, one Linux Mint other one unknown asking for recommendation about that one, plus Windows. The goal is to set up local network or two (in the office and at home) and share files, printers etc. between computers with different operating systems and between these two networks together. Also I would like to start my own server, first time.Security of all above would be standard nothing special.
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>>> Many thanks for any info, this doesn't really hurry, I've few weeks. I will also do my reading but you know advice from more experienced users is always appreciated. So far stable version of Debian seems like one option (probably for the server?) and if I want to get really fit Archie Linux was recommended to me before.
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>>>      From South Korea, Jeju,
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>>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
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>>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
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>>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
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>>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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