From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  1 15:14:37 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 15:14:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Oct 2 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1380665677.81514.YahooMailNeo@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Oct  1 15:39:14 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 15:39:14 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Oct 2 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving
 at Noisebridge
In-Reply-To: <1380665677.81514.YahooMailNeo@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1380665677.81514.YahooMailNeo@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20131001223914.GH9203@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Joseph Puig (jbpuig at sbcglobal.net):

> The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving
> meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM
> (or so) in the Turing classroom.
> 
> Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street,
> in San Francisco.

Or you could take a field trip to Mountain View.


Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 00:21:42 -0700
From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
To: svlug-announce at lists.svlug.org
Subject: SVLUG Oct. 2nd meeting: Rick Moen on 'Hardware for Linux'
Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
X-Mas: Bah humbug.
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14)

WHEN:

   Wednesday, Oct. 2nd, 2013 
   7pm-9pm


MAIN PRESENTATION

  TOPIC:  Hardware for Linux
    

  PRESENTED BY:
    Rick Moen

  TOPIC SUMMARY:
    It used to be challenging to buy hardare to run Linux.  21 years of
    Linux and hardware history have created a few new challenges but 
    mostly improvements on the whole.  With a few handy tricks and 
    a few colourful lessons about hardware past and present, you can
    enjoy success, good performance, and long-term satisfaction in your
    choice of computing hardawre.  Our speaker will address the
    traditional server, workstation, and laptop markets but also some
    of the intriguing areas for use in 'embedded' computing such 
    as DVRs and wireless gateways.  (If you elect to use our speaker's
    guidelines to avoid suckage outside of Linux, we won't tell.)

  ABOUT THE PRESENTER:
    Rick Moen (http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/) is longtime senior system
    administrator and member of SVLUG's Web Team, who also runs nearby
    Linux user group CABAL (http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/), meeting at
    his and his wife's house in West Menlo Park, and has been fooling
    with various Unices since the 1980s.  Having formerly been a technical
    employee at several Linux firms (Linuxcare, VA Linux Systems, and
    California Digital Corp.) during decades past, he stresses that it's 
    not his fault and he has an alibi. 


  LOCATION:

    Symantec
    VCAFE Facility
    350 Ellis Street (near E. Middlefield Road)
    Mountain View, CA 94043

    Directions on how to get there are listed at:

    http://www.svlug.org/directions/veritas.php

  We've tried our very best for these directions to be accurate.
  If you have any improvements to make, please let SVLUG's volunteers know!
  webmaster at svlug.org

POST-MEETING GATHERING:

  If you just can't get enough, a smaller group usually goes to a local
  restaurant/diner after the meeting:  Frankie, Johnnie & Luigi, Too,
  939 West El Camino Real between Shoreline and Castro, Mountain View.

We look forward to seeing you there!




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  8 12:32:05 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 12:32:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Oct 9 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1381260725.8601.YahooMailNeo@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From nbs at sonic.net  Tue Oct  8 23:36:57 2013
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 23:36:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	Oct. 21: 3D printing with 'Printrbot Simple', by Davis Makerspace
Message-ID: <201310090636.r996avPO024079@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  October 21, 2013
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:
  "Printrbot Simple" 3D printer
  with Tim Feldman, of Davis Makerspace

  We will demonstrate a "Printrbot Simple" 3D printer
  (http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot-simple/), successfully assembled by
  a group of novices from a $300.00 kit made by a local company.
  We will also explain and demonstrate the process of using Linux software
  for 3D printing, including getting designs for 3D-printable objects,
  either by downloading free designs from the Web, or by designing them
  ourselves using free Linux software such as OpenSCAD; and it includes
  actually controlling the 3D printer using more Linux software such as
  Slic3r and Pronterface.

  We will also briefly talk about Davis Makerspace
  (http://davismakerspace.org/), a free local resource for all kinds of
  creative people . Our space has 3D printers and other tools used by makers;
  and most importantly, it has knowledgeable people who love sharing their
  expertise and enthusiasm about all things geeky, including Linux.


This meeting will be held at:

  Davis Public Library
  Blanchard meeting room
  315 East 14th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

or simply:

  http://www.lugod.org/ (and follow the links)


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can find LUGOD on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From maestro415 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 17:56:03 2013
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 17:56:03 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] /smxi
Message-ID: <CANe-2tcZmbbPsF+nKruK_oGC0b=00m4kzFD0hnvf0cngFCzHkg@mail.gmail.com>

We attended the last SV-LUG General Meeting and I had asked Rick (Moen) if
he used or knew of smxi. He replied no and had never heard of it with
interest in what it is/does.

Here you go...

Disclaimer:
I include the link to an entire page of helpful things people may want to
do after an install which has the smxi.
If you'd ONLY like to check out the smxi simply scroll down the page after
pointing your browser to it and have fun...


<
https://debianhelp.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/crunchbang-11-waldorf-debian-wheezy-os/
>


message ends
_____________________________________________________________

-- 

*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Thu Oct 10 07:04:18 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:04:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code
	Review for	Systems Administrators; & other BALUG News
Message-ID: <20131010070418.21368wlt4le3twbk@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG Tu 2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for  
Systems Administrators; & other BALUG News

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for Systems Administrators
giveaways (CDs/DVDs, book(s), ...)
volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-10-15 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph[1] on Code Review for Systems Administrators

The OpenStack project uses a public code review system
and automated series of unit and integration tests before merging to
confirm that code submitted is adhering to project standards and
doesn't cause problems for other software in the stack.

The OpenStack Infrastructure team not only manages this system using
all open source tools, like Gerrit and Jenkins for review and testing,
but also uses the system themselves for reviewing and testing changes
being made to systems running the infrastructure itself. Puppet
configuration files, Python scripts and more are subjected to
automated syntax tests and then collaboratively reviewed in public by
community and core team members alike before approval.

This talk will give you a walk through of the actual software used to
accomplish this and how this process has allowed the team to have a
considerably open, collaborative approach to systems administration
for the project infrastructure.

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph is an Automation and Tools Engineer at
HP[2] working on the OpenStack Infrastructure[3] team.  She is also a
member of the Ubuntu Community Council[4] and on the Board of
Directors for Partimus[5], a non-profit in the San Francisco Bay Area
providing Linux-based computers to schools in need.

1. http://www.princessleia.com/
2. http://www.hp.com/
3. http://ci.openstack.org/
4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
5. http://partimus.org/

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, October 15th, 2013 2013-10-15

                        Four Seas Restaurant
http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
           cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
           family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
           also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue).

------------------------------

We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
likely have at least the below plus additional items.

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details (and the inventory
(qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does
also frequently change).

Book(s)!:
Oracle Solaris 11 System Administration
Thanks to Pearson's User Group program for providing these review
copies.  For details see:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-July/005034.html
Pearson User Group member page (member discounts: 35% off print,
45% off eBook):
http://www.informit.com/usergroupwelcome

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)

Not only can you do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG,
but it can also be a way to gain useful and practical experience, and
could also be something to add to or round out one's resume.

There a quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us
at a meeting and/or drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o assist on publicity
o chief/assistant cat herder
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Oct 10 08:28:50 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:28:50 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting of Sunday October 6, 2013
Message-ID: <5256C7B2.9000408@dslextreme.com>

     Well I got there early and the Cafe E. was mobbed apparently with
overflow from the Event in Golden Gate Park.  Ken Shaeffer and his wife 
showed
up a bit after 11:00 and had had trouble parking (EinGGP).  I produced 
copies
of the new tool I had learned of in the Linux Pro magazine, Stress Linux 
which
is a hardware testing tool.  If anyone needs to learn more about it 
Google on
stresslinux and the information comes right away.  On Saturday night the 
4th of
September I downloaded .isos of the 32 bit and 64 bit persuasions and 
gave them
to the other attendees to try.  John Strazziano and his wife showed up 
next then
Jim breezed in to say he would return shortly.  Everyone had trouble 
parking who
didn't ride on Muni.  So Jim returned with his new machine and learned 
to do a
bit more with it and John tried out the 32 bit version and Jim tried out 
the 64
bit version.  John had brought a older Toshiba with only 512 Megabytes 
of memory
and Jim's new machine has 8 Gigabytes of memory.
     Eric showed up finally and he brought along his Android 7 inch tablet.
     It was well after 1 PM before the meeting broke up and this was
because Jim was testing his new machine.  John had a couple of other items
for redistribution including a laser printer, and some PPC Macs.
     John and Jim showed up a bit later.  Jim gave me a ride home and
dropped Eric at his next stop on Balboa.  John collected his wife and that
was the meeting.

     Interested in other Linux Distros and in other OSes?

  Mum Learns To Use Arch Linux 2013.08.01 (2013)


This is a rather long video of about 50 minutes and is very informative
as the young relative guides Mum thru the installation of Arch, the use of
pacman to install everything from a clock to TWM (a terminal window manager),
and the installation on TWM of Firefox and of Ranger. a text based file/directory
utility.  Finally I stopped when they got to installing KDE.  But they did a
base install without a lot of fancy stuff.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWyqJ50lho4>

      I like this but I stopped because while I liked Mum's taste
I find this sort of information aside from the basic install information
a bit tiring.  Also Mum is a bit narrow in her computer use and takes
off nearly everything but a word processor, a spreadsheet, a calculator
and the off switch.

      Mum stars in other videos & her son is a good instructor as he shows off
Crunchbang11.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9SEc3wnO60o>
with side visits to show off older OSes including Windows 1.0. Windows 95, and
Amiga OS.

	We are lucky Mum holds still for her bright son to show off his knowledge to her
and to us.

	bliss




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Oct 10 15:55:37 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:55:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] /smxi
In-Reply-To: <CANe-2tcZmbbPsF+nKruK_oGC0b=00m4kzFD0hnvf0cngFCzHkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANe-2tcZmbbPsF+nKruK_oGC0b=00m4kzFD0hnvf0cngFCzHkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20131010225537.GH11374@linuxmafia.com>

[I'll post this separately to svlug at lists.svlug.org.]

Quoting maestro (maestro415 at gmail.com):

> We attended the last SV-LUG General Meeting and I had asked Rick (Moen) if
> he used or knew of smxi. He replied no and had never heard of it with
> interest in what it is/does.
> 
> Here you go...
> 
> Disclaimer:
> I include the link to an entire page of helpful things people may want to
> do after an install which has the smxi.
> If you'd ONLY like to check out the smxi simply scroll down the page after
> pointing your browser to it and have fun...
> 
> 
> <
> https://debianhelp.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/crunchbang-11-waldorf-debian-wheezy-os/
> >

smxi is an interesting interactive script that mediates between the
administrative user and the regular administrative tools of any of
numerous Debian-family distributions (Aptosid formerly Sidux, Mepis,
Ubuntu, Crunchbang, etc.) -- to perform tasks like managing packages,
managing kernels, managing proprietary video drivers, etc.).  It is
maintained independently from the various distros it aims to support,
i.e., it is third-party software that is not part of any distro package
and is not distro-maintained software.

So:  On the one hand, we have both Maestro and quite a number of other
people expressing satisfaction with smxi as a primary administrative
tool.   http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=51089

On the other manual extremity, we have -- I think, and I'll presume to
speak for them -- many people with broad experience administering and
running Linux distros, who have an (admittedly) knee-jerk reaction:

o  Key adminstrative tools that are neither maintained by me nor 
   provided as distro-maintained software?  No thanks.
o  This doesn't appear to do anything I cannot do as well or better
   using the primary admin tools of my distro itself, to which smxi
   is an abstraction layer that front-ends them.
o  And I will be much better able to fully administer both my own
   and other systems (that probably won't offer smxi) if I learn
   to use those primary tool properly.
o  Thus, this seems like a solution in search of a problem.

As this is a knee-jerk reaction -- I've heard of smxi before, I now 
remember, but haven't used it -- you might consider the above prejudice,
and that is a defensible view.  I would reply that the idea of key 
administrative tools as third-party add-ons to a distro is a generally
bad idea with some bad history, making this to a degree postjudice
rather than prejudice.

But whatever works for you is of course good.  Just bear in mind the
possiblity that it's a tactical error.

-- 
Cheers,                 Some people, when confronted with a problem, think,
Rick Moen               "I know, I'll use Dvorak!"  Now they have k,s rosnpdm;e
rick at linuxmafia.com                                   -- Colter Reed
McQ! (4x80)  




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Oct 10 17:31:04 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:31:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] ROT 13 en(de)code in Thunderbird
Message-ID: <525746C8.6010308@dslextreme.com>

     Presently using Thunderbird 24 and I encountered a long passage in
ROT 13 in one of my newsgroups so went to help and was rewarded with
a reply very shortly.  An extension, mnenhy-0.8.5-sm+fx+tb.xpi, is 
available with several other
facilities.  Below is text and URL copied from the original reply but I 
wonder if anyone has more feed back
about this very handy tool...

sfhowes replied to ROT-13 how to do in Thunderbird?, a question about Mozilla Messaging.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/mnenhy/

  <a href="https://d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net/s3_images/970042/Image1.png?1381431316"><img src="https://d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net/s3_images/970042/Image1_inline.png?1381431316"  alt="" /></a>

You may need to install this add-on before you install Mnenhy:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/checkcompatibility/

http://chrisramsden.vfast.co.uk/3_How_to_install_Add-ons_in_Thunderbird.html

Tested and working in TB 24, 26.



	So if anyone wants it for some reason the above information will help. It does a lot of coding and decoding besides ROT 13, uu(de)encode and several other schemes designed to move files on the Usenet as well as
some other choices in Thunderbird.

	bliss





From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Oct 10 18:23:49 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:23:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] ROT 13 en(de)code in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <525746C8.6010308@dslextreme.com>
References: <525746C8.6010308@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20131011012349.GL11374@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

>     Presently using Thunderbird 24 and I encountered a long passage in
> ROT 13 in one of my newsgroups so went to help and was rewarded with
> a reply very shortly.  An extension, mnenhy-0.8.5-sm+fx+tb.xpi, is
> available with several other
> facilities.  Below is text and URL copied from the original reply
> but I wonder if anyone has more feed back
> about this very handy tool...

Fbhaqf hfrshy.  Nccerpvngr gur erpbzzraqngvba.  Qba'g sbetrg gung
qbhoyr-EBG-13 vf nqivfrq sbe terngre frphevgl.




From bibayoff at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 18:29:15 2013
From: bibayoff at gmail.com (Steve M Bibayoff)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:29:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] ROT 13 en(de)code in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <20131011012349.GL11374@linuxmafia.com>
References: <525746C8.6010308@dslextreme.com>
	<20131011012349.GL11374@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <CAELH=zJuEonmrbq5wde4WCmrYWFmeGn7Kf1e-etVZLFgqiTv9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Fbhaqf hfrshy.  Nccerpvngr gur erpbzzraqngvba.  Qba'g sbetrg gung
> qbhoyr-EBG-13 vf nqivfrq sbe terngre frphevgl.

Qnzz, V jvfu V erzrzorerq ubj gb qrpelcg EBG13


;-)
Steve



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Oct 10 19:57:38 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 19:57:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] ROT 13 en(de)code in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <CAELH=zJuEonmrbq5wde4WCmrYWFmeGn7Kf1e-etVZLFgqiTv9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <525746C8.6010308@dslextreme.com>	<20131011012349.GL11374@linuxmafia.com>
	<CAELH=zJuEonmrbq5wde4WCmrYWFmeGn7Kf1e-etVZLFgqiTv9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52576922.9090306@dslextreme.com>

On 10/10/2013 06:29 PM, Steve M Bibayoff wrote:

 >Damm, I wish I remembered how to decrypt ROT13

     In one or two line doses it is easy but when you have multi-line
posts the manual method grows cumbersome.


Rot 13    Qnzz, V jvfu V erzrzorerq ubj gb qrpelcg EBG13
Base94 RGFtbSwgSSB3aXNoIEkgcmVtZW1iZXJlZCBob3cgdG8gZGVjcnlwdCBST1QxMw==

Kenny    Mpmmmmppmppm, Mff fppmfffmmmfp Mff 
pffmppppmmppppmmmpmpppffmppmpm mfpppffpp fmpppf mpmmppmmfpffffmpfmfmp 
PffPpfFmp13

Reverse & ROT13  31GBE gcleprq bg jbu qrerozrzre V ufvj V ,zznQ

     And I could go on and on and on...
     But I feel merciful.

     bliss



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Oct 10 20:06:15 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:06:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] ROT 13 en(de)code in Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <52576922.9090306@dslextreme.com>
References: <525746C8.6010308@dslextreme.com>
	<20131011012349.GL11374@linuxmafia.com>
	<CAELH=zJuEonmrbq5wde4WCmrYWFmeGn7Kf1e-etVZLFgqiTv9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<52576922.9090306@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20131011030615.GN11374@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> In one or two line doses it is easy but when you have multi-line posts
> the manual method grows cumbersome.

Dead-simple in vim.  

Command 'V' enters visual block mode.  Move cursor in whatever way
needed to mark text.  Then 'g?'.

More generally, 'g?' ROT13s whatever's selected.

(As always:  Command 'u' for undo.  Command 'r' for redo.)

-- 
Cheers,                                     WWWWD?
Rick Moen                                   (What Would Walter White Do?)
rick at linuxmafia.com
McQ! (4x80)



From jim at systemateka.com  Fri Oct 11 07:43:11 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:43:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] /smxi
In-Reply-To: <20131010225537.GH11374@linuxmafia.com>
References: <CANe-2tcZmbbPsF+nKruK_oGC0b=00m4kzFD0hnvf0cngFCzHkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131010225537.GH11374@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <1381502591.4186.453.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


    Coincidentally, the Linux study group, 
which meets at Noisebridge on Tuesday 
afternoons, has just turned its ADD attention 
to Nagios. 
    I'm in favor of that choice because it 
presents system administration issues as a 
package, all bundled up in menu choices. 
    From a learning point of view, this (I 
hope) may increase awareness of the various 
resources and other aspects in the domain 
of system administration. 

    Personally, I'm with Rick. In addition 
to his points, I like staying with the 
individual, olde tyme tools because they 
tend to be universal across all *nix hosts. 




On Thu, 2013-10-10 at 15:55 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> [I'll post this separately to svlug at lists.svlug.org.]
> 
> Quoting maestro (maestro415 at gmail.com):
> 
> > We attended the last SV-LUG General Meeting and I had asked Rick (Moen) if
> > he used or knew of smxi. He replied no and had never heard of it with
> > interest in what it is/does.
> > 
> > Here you go...
> > 
> > Disclaimer:
> > I include the link to an entire page of helpful things people may want to
> > do after an install which has the smxi.
> > If you'd ONLY like to check out the smxi simply scroll down the page after
> > pointing your browser to it and have fun...
> > 
> > 
> > <
> > https://debianhelp.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/crunchbang-11-waldorf-debian-wheezy-os/
> > >
> 
> smxi is an interesting interactive script that mediates between the
> administrative user and the regular administrative tools of any of
> numerous Debian-family distributions (Aptosid formerly Sidux, Mepis,
> Ubuntu, Crunchbang, etc.) -- to perform tasks like managing packages,
> managing kernels, managing proprietary video drivers, etc.).  It is
> maintained independently from the various distros it aims to support,
> i.e., it is third-party software that is not part of any distro package
> and is not distro-maintained software.
> 
> So:  On the one hand, we have both Maestro and quite a number of other
> people expressing satisfaction with smxi as a primary administrative
> tool.   http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=51089
> 
> On the other manual extremity, we have -- I think, and I'll presume to
> speak for them -- many people with broad experience administering and
> running Linux distros, who have an (admittedly) knee-jerk reaction:
> 
> o  Key adminstrative tools that are neither maintained by me nor 
>    provided as distro-maintained software?  No thanks.
> o  This doesn't appear to do anything I cannot do as well or better
>    using the primary admin tools of my distro itself, to which smxi
>    is an abstraction layer that front-ends them.
> o  And I will be much better able to fully administer both my own
>    and other systems (that probably won't offer smxi) if I learn
>    to use those primary tool properly.
> o  Thus, this seems like a solution in search of a problem.
> 
> As this is a knee-jerk reaction -- I've heard of smxi before, I now 
> remember, but haven't used it -- you might consider the above prejudice,
> and that is a defensible view.  I would reply that the idea of key 
> administrative tools as third-party add-ons to a distro is a generally
> bad idea with some bad history, making this to a degree postjudice
> rather than prejudice.
> 
> But whatever works for you is of course good.  Just bear in mind the
> possiblity that it's a tactical error.
> 





From jim at systemateka.com  Fri Oct 11 09:53:01 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:53:01 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] JOBS : general job openings
Message-ID: <1381510381.4186.478.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


Internet Systems Consortium is looking for QA, Ops, and Support staff in
the Bay Area, CA for hands-on engineering at our Redwood City location. 

Please see the official listings for details:
https://www.isc.org/mission/jobs/





From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Oct 14 06:29:52 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 06:29:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] REMINDER BALUG TOMORROW Tu 2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach
	Joseph:	Code Review for Systems Administrators; & other BALUG News
Message-ID: <20131014062952.48043n5izfyqz100@webmail.rawbw.com>

REMINDER BALUG TOMORROW Tu 2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code  
Review for Systems Administrators; & other BALUG News

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for Systems Administrators
giveaways (CDs/DVDs, book(s), ...)
volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-10-15 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph[1] on Code Review for Systems Administrators

The OpenStack project uses a public code review system
and automated series of unit and integration tests before merging to
confirm that code submitted is adhering to project standards and
doesn't cause problems for other software in the stack.

The OpenStack Infrastructure team not only manages this system using
all open source tools, like Gerrit and Jenkins for review and testing,
but also uses the system themselves for reviewing and testing changes
being made to systems running the infrastructure itself. Puppet
configuration files, Python scripts and more are subjected to
automated syntax tests and then collaboratively reviewed in public by
community and core team members alike before approval.

This talk will give you a walk through of the actual software used to
accomplish this and how this process has allowed the team to have a
considerably open, collaborative approach to systems administration
for the project infrastructure.

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph is an Automation and Tools Engineer at
HP[2] working on the OpenStack Infrastructure[3] team.  She is also a
member of the Ubuntu Community Council[4] and on the Board of
Directors for Partimus[5], a non-profit in the San Francisco Bay Area
providing Linux-based computers to schools in need.

1. http://www.princessleia.com/
2. http://www.hp.com/
3. http://ci.openstack.org/
4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
5. http://partimus.org/

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, October 15th, 2013 2013-10-15

                        Four Seas Restaurant
http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
           cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
           family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
           also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue).

------------------------------

We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
likely have at least the below plus additional items.

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details (and the inventory
(qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does
also frequently change).

Book(s)!:
Oracle Solaris 11 System Administration
Thanks to Pearson's User Group program for providing these review
copies.  For details see:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-July/005034.html
Pearson User Group member page (member discounts: 35% off print,
45% off eBook):
http://www.informit.com/usergroupwelcome

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)

Not only can you do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG,
but it can also be a way to gain useful and practical experience, and
could also be something to add to or round out one's resume.

There a quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us
at a meeting and/or drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o assist on publicity
o chief/assistant cat herder
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 14 09:36:27 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:36:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Monday 21 October
Message-ID: <525C1D8B.4070605@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
       The latest Linux Pro contained a double sided DVD with
Mageia 3 (latest product of the Mandriva fork) and Mint 16 the Debian
based variant.   It has lots of interesting articles including the one that
led me to Stress Linux.  Since then I have download the latest kde ISOs
of pclinuxos-kde-2013.10  and pclinuxos64-kde-2013.10.
     If anyone is interested in copies of any of the mentioned items let me
know in advance as the 2 hours of the meeting time are too short to make
more than a couple of copies.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 15 07:45:35 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 07:45:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Oct 16 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1381848335.22868.YahooMailNeo@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Wed Oct 16 09:22:11 2013
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:22:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] OLPC SF Community Summit 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAFoGK8GyFqRjEOY5wnJswaCJg2oDNWmTaLjvE0LtDAVfdpbUqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFoGK8GyFqRjEOY5wnJswaCJg2oDNWmTaLjvE0LtDAVfdpbUqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFoGK8GDovG0MWX=b+AfXML78TP=Ou0ApAnJzWMsMYGyffrOig@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> Greetings and a Happy GNU 30 to you!
>
> OLPC San Francisco will be hosting its fifth community summit this year.
> Although called OLPC *SF* Community Summit, the event attracts people from
> all over the world. We see representation from places like Mongolia,
> Uruguay, Chad, India, Jamaica, Tuva and the Marshall Islands.
>
> 3 million laptops running Fedora and Sugar and GNOME! (and, just to be
> clear, *none* have actually shipped with Windows. Ever.)
>
> The newest in the line of XO laptops is the XO-4 Touch, running a multi-core
> ARM processor from Marvell. The touch isn't capacitive or resistive, but is
> implemented using a light grid! We have 5 year olds who can modify "Pong"
> written in Python. We have the first gen kids showing up at Google Summer of
> Code. More cool and good stuff at the event.
>
> The event will be from Oct 18-20. The schedule will be filling up shortly at
> http://www.olpcsf.org/CommunitySummit2013/schedule
>
> Registration is open http://www.olpcsf.org/CommunitySummit2013/registration
>
> We hope to see you at the summit!
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
> --
> Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Professor, Information Systems
> San Francisco State University
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://commons.sfsu.edu/
> http://olpcsf.org/
> http://olpcjamaica.org.jm/


Friendly reminder. The OLPC SF Community Summit is this weekend!
Welcome reception on Friday, and sessions on Saturday and Sunday.

http://olpcsf.org/summit

Hope to see you there!

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Professor, Information Systems
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://commons.sfsu.edu/
http://olpcsf.org/
http://olpcjamaica.org.jm/



From jim at systemateka.com  Tue Oct 22 10:21:27 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:21:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] request for community involvement
Message-ID: <1382462487.2634.149.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


Opinions about this posting? Interest in participating? 

"I came across your community here in SF and I am wondering whether
you'd be interesting in helping us out. 

"We're a startup and we're trying to build the no. 1 screensharing tool
for Linux. We haven't launched yet but the product is ready for testing
(www.same.io). It works without any plugins, installations, or
downloads. 

"I know screensharing is a huge problem to a lot of Linux users so I
wonder if people in your community would possibly be interested in
helping us out as testers? Basically I could just send you some invites
for the alpha and we'd love to get feedback from you guys on it." 





From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 10:42:04 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:42:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] request for community involvement
In-Reply-To: <1382462487.2634.149.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1382462487.2634.149.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <5266B8EC.30007@gmail.com>

Phrases like "the first" or "the best" or "the only" always turn me off, 
but in spite of that (and because I had a need just last week) I'll bite.

I'm interested in participating.

Thanks!

On 10/22/2013 10:21 AM, jim wrote:
>
> Opinions about this posting? Interest in participating?
>
> "I came across your community here in SF and I am wondering whether
> you'd be interesting in helping us out.
>
> "We're a startup and we're trying to build the no. 1 screensharing tool
> for Linux. We haven't launched yet but the product is ready for testing
> (www.same.io). It works without any plugins, installations, or
> downloads.
>
> "I know screensharing is a huge problem to a lot of Linux users so I
> wonder if people in your community would possibly be interested in
> helping us out as testers? Basically I could just send you some invites
> for the alpha and we'd love to get feedback from you guys on it."
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>

-- 
Michael Shiloh	
teachmetomake.com/wordpress
KA6RCQ									

Educational Materials coordinator at Arduino.cc
Electronics, Robotics, Digital Fabrication, and Arduino educator
California College of the Arts
San Francisco Art Institute
San Francisco State University




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Oct 22 11:52:13 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:52:13 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] request for community involvement
In-Reply-To: <1382462487.2634.149.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1382462487.2634.149.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20131022185213.GX11374@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at systemateka.com):

> Opinions about this posting? Interest in participating? 
> 
> "I came across your community here in SF and I am wondering whether
> you'd be interesting in helping us out. 
> 
> "We're a startup and we're trying to build the no. 1 screensharing tool
> for Linux. We haven't launched yet but the product is ready for testing
> (www.same.io). It works without any plugins, installations, or
> downloads. 

Seems like a thin proprietary wrapper around a standard HTML5 feature
called getUserMedia() .  See:
http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/getusermedia/intro/
https://html5-demos.appspot.com/static/getusermedia/screenshare.html

> "I know screensharing is a huge problem to a lot of Linux users...

Eh, seems like an exaggeration, but then, they're trying to sell a
product.  ;->

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_sharing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Desktop_Sharing_Software

The most common problem is one that development of a new Linux tool 
(proprietary or open source) won't address:  People dictating in advance
that they'll be using a particular proprietary tool with secret-sauce 
protocols -- usually GoToMeeting or Cisco WebEx -- and simply expecting
everyone to run it without giving a damn whether their desktop software
can run it.  The people most guilty of this gaffe are the people doing
'webinars', who seem characteristically to assume everyone's able to do
GoToMeeting or WebEx client connections and is thrilled to do so.

A number of years ago, I looked into what was required to run the
GoToMeeting client on native x86 Linux, and posted my findings to the
SVLUG mailing list.  The thing is distribued as Java bytecode, which
means there's no good reason why it should be platform-specific.  And
yet, at that time, they bundled the Java bytecode with platform-specific
'launcher' code like 'g2m_download.exe' for the Win32 variant, rather
than using Java-native launcher technology like WebStart -- so the
result was unusable on Linux despite use of a platform-neutral
programming language.  Way to to, guys!
http://lists.svlug.org/archives/svlug/2009-July/055851.html

Happily, GoToMeeting's design stupidity is a rare exception, and things
like WebEx will happily run on Linux.  See Wikipedia links above for the
general picture.




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Oct 22 12:40:48 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:40:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] request for community involvement
In-Reply-To: <20131022185213.GX11374@linuxmafia.com>
References: <1382462487.2634.149.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<20131022185213.GX11374@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <20131022194048.GZ11374@linuxmafia.com>

I wrote:

> Happily, GoToMeeting's design stupidity is a rare exception, and things
> like WebEx will happily run on Linux.  See Wikipedia links above for the
> general picture.

_And_, if for some reason you really want to be able to run the
GoToMeeting client (or similar problem children), you can easily do it
in a VM guest running MS-Windows.  Probably also possible to run it on
native x86 Linux using WINE or Codeweaver; not tested as I haven't
needed to.

Also, there's a limited HTML-only implementation of GoToMeeting called
Web Viewer that runs fine in suitable Linux Web browsers. 
https://support.citrixonline.com/en_US/gotomeeting/all_files/GTM130019

Or you could run GoToMeeting on a LAN-local MS-Windows or MacOS box and
share _that_ to your Linux box using VNC, etc.
http://scorpspot.blogspot.com/2012/04/screensharing-in-linux-with-gotomeeting.html

Lots of ways, if you think about it for a minute.




From jim at well.com  Tue Oct 22 12:46:04 2013
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:46:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] request for community involvement
In-Reply-To: <5266B8EC.30007@gmail.com>
References: <1382462487.2634.149.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <5266B8EC.30007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1382471164.2634.160.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


    Me, too, tho' they did say they're "trying", 
which softens it some. 

    Use a browser to return www.same.io and click 
something or another (not sure what) and someone 
will send an invitation to participate. 
    I hope that'll do. If need be, let me know to 
ask for more specific instructions. 




On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 10:42 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> Phrases like "the first" or "the best" or "the only" always turn me off, 
> but in spite of that (and because I had a need just last week) I'll bite.
> 
> I'm interested in participating.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On 10/22/2013 10:21 AM, jim wrote:
> >
> > Opinions about this posting? Interest in participating?
> >
> > "I came across your community here in SF and I am wondering whether
> > you'd be interesting in helping us out.
> >
> > "We're a startup and we're trying to build the no. 1 screensharing tool
> > for Linux. We haven't launched yet but the product is ready for testing
> > (www.same.io). It works without any plugins, installations, or
> > downloads.
> >
> > "I know screensharing is a huge problem to a lot of Linux users so I
> > wonder if people in your community would possibly be interested in
> > helping us out as testers? Basically I could just send you some invites
> > for the alpha and we'd love to get feedback from you guys on it."
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sf-lug mailing list
> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> >
> 





From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 22 14:01:05 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:01:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Oct 23 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1382475665.96097.YahooMailNeo@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Oct 24 08:49:29 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:49:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting of Monday October 21, 2013
Message-ID: <52694189.3090403@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

     Well this meeting was lightly attended but somewhat more interesting
than otherwise.
     1740 I got to the Cafe Enchante but as I was sitting down with my
notebook setup, a young man interrupted me to see if this was the SF-LUG
meeting.  He, Ban (pronunciation seems like Ben) had arrived before me,
a young man who has only recently started using Linux.  I was able to help
him a bit.  I was assured that he would also be at the next meeting.  He
had someone else install Debian on his net-book sized machine. Intends to
relocate next year to Texas to seek training and employment. Seems
very serious about learning as much as possible about Linux.
He is interesting in gaining credentials as an administrator (or whatever)
and is interested in robotics & Python.

     At about 7:55 PM we packed up and adjourned the meeting as Ban had 
to travel back to the Embarcadero(North Beach) on his bicycle.  I caught 
the next
38 back to Hyde Street.

     Next meeting is on the first Sunday of November.
     Will make regular notice next Monday.

     Bobbie Sellers





From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 13:19:11 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:19:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] request for community involvement
In-Reply-To: <1382471164.2634.160.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1382462487.2634.149.camel@jim-LAPTOP>	 <5266B8EC.30007@gmail.com>
	<1382471164.2634.160.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <526C23BF.7090505@gmail.com>

will do. thanks.

On 10/22/2013 12:46 PM, jim wrote:
>
>      Me, too, tho' they did say they're "trying",
> which softens it some.
>
>      Use a browser to return www.same.io and click
> something or another (not sure what) and someone
> will send an invitation to participate.
>      I hope that'll do. If need be, let me know to
> ask for more specific instructions.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 10:42 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Phrases like "the first" or "the best" or "the only" always turn me off,
>> but in spite of that (and because I had a need just last week) I'll bite.
>>
>> I'm interested in participating.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On 10/22/2013 10:21 AM, jim wrote:
>>>
>>> Opinions about this posting? Interest in participating?
>>>
>>> "I came across your community here in SF and I am wondering whether
>>> you'd be interesting in helping us out.
>>>
>>> "We're a startup and we're trying to build the no. 1 screensharing tool
>>> for Linux. We haven't launched yet but the product is ready for testing
>>> (www.same.io). It works without any plugins, installations, or
>>> downloads.
>>>
>>> "I know screensharing is a huge problem to a lot of Linux users so I
>>> wonder if people in your community would possibly be interested in
>>> helping us out as testers? Basically I could just send you some invites
>>> for the alpha and we'd love to get feedback from you guys on it."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>>
>>
>
>



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Oct 27 13:04:09 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:04:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] The Great Bay, a short review.
Message-ID: <526D71B9.3050207@dslextreme.com>

     Hi Team,
         Yesterday finished the book "The Great Bay" subtitled 
"Chronicles of the Collapse" and while it is not particularly inspired 
it projects the results of the Global Warming forward for 16 thousand 
years or thereabouts.
     The author is Dale Pendell and the book won the 2010 Best Science 
Fiction Green
Book Festival.
     He tossed in a triple plague at the beginning of the story which 
reduced the
population of the world to about a 20th of the present levels. It has 
maps which show the extent of the Great Bay which forms as the water 
levels rise in the
Central Valley of California.  He tells the stories of the survivors and 
the future
  natives of the area in short chapters and the projection of the 
results of the Warming and other incidents in somewhat longer more 
objective accounts.
     Needless to say we have devastating earthquakes resulting in damage 
which are irreparable due to the low levels of technology available.
     16 thousand years later the next Ice Age is at hand and the waters 
recede leaving
behind 30 meters of sediment to cover the cities of this technological age.

     It is not really a fun read but it is nice to see someone who gets 
the full story of what will be going on climatically. The human species 
survives but only the Colleagues of the Therocene Studies have the 
stories in their archives.  During the
long decline written materials are only maintained in religious orders 
of various sorts.

     I found this book at the SFPL Main on Saturday morning.  I finished 
it that day so it is neither a very long or difficult book to read.  I 
was happy to find it as it agrees with my projections of the future 
aside from the triple plagues which of course we
have always waiting in the wings especially with the decline in the 
effectiveness of
antibiotic medications.

     Oh and in the next 16 thousand years I would have expected 
Yellowstone to erupt.

     further
     bliss



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 28 10:50:30 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:50:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday November 3, 2013
Message-ID: <526EA3E6.9040807@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention.

     Bobbie Sellers




From JStrazza at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 28 20:58:22 2013
From: JStrazza at yahoo.com (John Strazzarino)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:58:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday November 3, 2013
Message-ID: <83B05E4C-0DB5-4C34-AA15-45FC0BF0D25E@yahoo.com>

All,

Don't forget that this weekend is the time change

Spring ahead, Fall backward

John


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
>    SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
> at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.
> 
>    These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
> year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
> and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
> who can.
>    If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
> along.
> 
>       Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
> to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
> to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
> parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
> Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
> or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
> to end the meeting.
> 
>    Thanks for your attention.
> 
>    Bobbie Sellers
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 30 13:00:21 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:00:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Oct 30 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1383163221.44691.YahooMailNeo@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Nov  3 14:31:17 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 14:31:17 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting of Today, Sunday 3 November 2013..
Message-ID: <5276CEB5.9030708@dslextreme.com>

     I arrived about 10:35 AM.  John S. was waiting with his iPad.
     After 11 Ken and wife showed up.  Jim came in about by 1030.
     I ran Kali Linux which used to be BackTrack and it is a
security disto or spin with loads of tool and Fedora 19 which is
labeled a security spin as well,  both from the latest Linux
Pro magazine #156 from Fog City News.  Both these security
distros, or spins are loaded with tools to check your systems integrity.
I don't know how to best use most of them but a command, lynis
furnishes more information than I can deal with about every aspect
  of the hardware and the network connections.
     Fedora 19 did not seem as stable as Kali as it let the task bar icons
disappear.  Both are running very  late versions of LXDE.  Both are full
of useful tools if you have any cause to worry about your systems
integrity.  This includes tools that look for hardware hacking and root
kits to list a few.  There  are tools to do analyis of code.
     The Linux Pro magazine included an article on using Android
to do office work.   From hints there I got 6 of the listed tools and
finally have a better text editor.  That inspired me to search for a
sequential image viewing tool which I found after a couple of bad
lead Pview for Perfect View was the one I settled on.

     Jim brought along his new computer and Ken  demoed
Ubuntu  13.04 on a USB Flash Drive.  Boot speed was much faster than
my DVDs and only down a bit from the native installation,

     Ken used lots of information commands to dig out details of
the computer.
     John besides his iPad brought a lot of older power cables and
adapters, 9-25 pin serial, USB to PC2 mouse and keyboard and lots
of telephone extension cables.  Jim took charge of them for further
distribution.  Jason called after the meeting and had not been able
to catch a bus to the location.
     At 1300 we packed up and left, Jim giving me a ride back to
my neighborhood and waiting until I was in the door.

     Thanks for your attention and I hope some more of us can make it
to the next meeting on November 18th.

     Bobbie Sellers



From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  6 11:15:03 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:15:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Nov 6 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1383765303.44637.YahooMailNeo@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From nbs at sonic.net  Sat Nov  9 19:43:43 2013
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 19:43:43 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	Nov. 18: Composing Command-Line Apps With "Plines"
Message-ID: <201311100343.rAA3hhKo012428@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  November 18, 2013
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:
  Composing Command-Line Apps With "Plines"
  with Micah Cowan, lead developer

    The Unix command-line environment is famed for its focus on providing
    users with many small utility programs that "do only one thing and
    do it well", combined with facilities for composing these individual
    commands together into shell pipelines that can perform relatively
    complex tasks.

    While most folks compose just a few to accomplish a short-term task,
    it's entirely possible to build complete applications by composing
    them out of many small commands.  The trouble is that managing the
    quickly-growing shell pipeline quickly becomes cumbersome.  You could
    wrap it up into a shell script, function, or alias, but then editing
    the pipeline to change options, swap in one command for another,
    and generally do all the things make shell pipelines so useful.

    Enter Plines <http://niwt.addictivecode.org/Plines>, the framework for
    building useful applications out of tiny Unix commands!  Plines allows
    you to easily build complex new commands from existing simple ones,
    retaining all the advantages and flexibility of shell pipelines, but
    providing a clean and unified interface, translating program options
    into modifications to the pipeline, and providing low-level program
    options that can be used to manipulate the pipeline in any other way
    the user sees fit.  Even better, users can extend your programs with
    new features, or add new options to its command line interface!

    This talk will focus on how Plines can be used to compose new programs
    from existing shell commands, and demonstrate how it's currently being
    used to develop a (currently incomplete) replacement for wget, named
    Niwt (Nifty Integrated Web Tools) <http://niwt.addictivecode.org/>.
    It will also touch on the advantages, and disadvantages, of using Unix
    shell pipelines to build advanced programs.

About the speaker:
  Micah Cowan is the creator and maintainer of Niwt, and was the
  maintainer/lead developer for GNU Wget from June of 2007 until
  January of 2010.


This meeting will be held at:

  Explorti Nature Center
  3141 5th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can 'like' LUGOD on Facebook at:
  https://www.facebook.com/LinuxUsersGroupOfDavis
  join the LUGOD group on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and find us on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 12 13:11:36 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:11:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Nov 13 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1384290696.43238.YahooMailNeo@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Nov 13 07:15:06 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:15:06 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Monday 18, 2013
Message-ID: <5283977A.7010900@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Nov 18 06:37:39 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 06:37:39 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG TOMORROW!: Tu 2013-11-19; & other BALUG News
Message-ID: <20131118063739.12375ziorg46bocg@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG TOMORROW!: Tu 2013-11-19; & other BALUG News

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-11-19: BALUG meeting!
"slides" from: 2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for  
Systems Administrators
giveaways (CDs/DVDs, stickers, ...)
volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-11-19 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have a
specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that
doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings.
Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to
announce or fully publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice
in the past six or so years).  Got questions, answers, and/or
opinions?  We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s)
present to cover Linux and related topic areas.  Want to hear some
interesting discussions on lINUX and other topics?  Show up at the
meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish.  Want to help
ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings?
Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker
coordinators.  Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to
be had.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, November 19th, 2013 2013-11-19

                        Four Seas Restaurant
http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
           cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
           family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
           also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue).

------------------------------

"slides" from: 2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for
Systems Administrators

Missed last month's meeting, or want to have another look at the
"slides"?  Have a peek at excerpts below:

> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:43:32 -0700
> From: "Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph" <lyz at princessleia.com>
> Subject: Re: [BALUG-Talk] [BALUG-Announce] REMINDER BALUG TOMORROW  
> Tu 2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for Systems  
> Administrators; & other BALUG News
> To: balug-talk at lists.balug.org
>
> Thanks to everyone who came out to the talk tonight!
>
> Slides are online here:
> http://princessleia.com/presentations/openstack/balug-code-review-for-sysadmins/
>
> And the patch for the spelling error that was found in infrastructure
> docs during the talk is now in code review:
> https://review.openstack.org/52002

------------------------------

We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
likely have at least the below plus additional items.

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details (and the inventory
(qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does
also frequently change).

Stickers - we've quite a number of Linux and more-or-less related
stickers.

Hardware?  We may also have some hardware to give away at this meeting.

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)

Not only can you do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG,
but it can also be a way to gain useful and practical experience, and
could also be something to add to or round out one's resume.

There a quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us
at a meeting and/or drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o assist on publicity
o chief/assistant cat herder
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Nov 20 21:52:55 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:52:55 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting on Monday November 18, 2013
Message-ID: <528D9FB7.7050804@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

     5:50 PM arrived at the Cafe Enchanter where Ben was waiting.
     He was the only other person to show up for this meeting.
     He asked about putting Knoppix or other distributions on
Flash Drive and I showed him the utility that comes with Knoppix
after booting up Knoppix KDE 7.20 via USB Flash Drive made with
that same utility.  He thought or joked that I had a broken screen
as that was the default background image.   I showed him how
the background is changed and using the tool opened up my own
home directories though the route was circuitous as the labels for
the PCLOS were not read by the Knoppix and had to be picked from
various disks, none of which seemed the right size but eventually
I got to " /" and was able to find "/home/bliss/pictures/" and load up
one of the shots done by a gardener friend.   Interesting to see
if that change was saved back automatically to the Flash Drive
configuration partition?
               By 7:30 Ban decided to leave.  And I myself left by 7:55 to
ride a #38 back to downtown.

     I tried the Knoppix Flash Drive today and it failed to put up the
background previously chosen  so there are limits on what it can save.
or how well it can orient itself even booting on the same machine.
     While I had Knoppix running at home tried to connect it to the WiFi
of the router I commonly use and found that despite it wide variety of 
software
and the great ability to mount any drive it finds, it was very difficult 
to connect
and am pretty sure it never did.  So that is way off from the facilities 
afforded
users of the Mandriva-forked distributions which generally connect with few
quibbles.  I had gotten it connected to the Cafe Enchante WiFi without much
of a problem.

     Well I will notice the next meeting, on December 1st, on next 
Monday and
I hope to see a few more of you there that Sunday, then.

     Bobbie Sellers



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 11:33:27 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:33:27 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] fascinating story: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and
 kicked Microsoft out of the city
In-Reply-To: <CAK0=aNNWXHhASYF6wrTuZ82cuVbMuqrQvcZTUsLXLrzENLy3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK0=aNNWXHhASYF6wrTuZ82cuVbMuqrQvcZTUsLXLrzENLy3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <528FB187.4010607@gmail.com>




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Linux-ME] How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked 
Microsoft out of the city
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:02:47 +0400
From: James Prabhakar <prabhags at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Linux-middleeast at yahoogroups.com
To: linux-middleeast at yahoogroups.com

Breaking up with Microsoft is hard to do. Just ask Peter Hofmann, the man
leading the City of Munich's project to ditch Windows and Office in favour
of open source alternatives.

The project took close to a decade to complete, has seen the city wrestle
with legal uncertainties and earned Munich a visit from Microsoft CEO Steve
Ballmer, whose pleas to the mayor of Germany's third largest city not to
switch fell on deaf ears.

Munich says the move to open source has saved it more than ?10m, a
claimcontested
by 
Microsoft<http://www.zdnet.com/no-microsoft-open-source-software-really-is-cheaper-insists-munich-7000010918/>,
yet Hofmann says the point of making the switch was never about money, but
about freedom.

"If you are only doing a migration because you think it saves you money
there's always somebody who tells you afterwards that you didn't calculate
it properly," he said.

"Our main goal was to become independent." Peter Hoffman, project lead

"That was the experience of a lot of open source-based projects that have
failed," Hofmann noted. They were only cost-driven and when the
organisation got more money or somebody else said 'The costs are wrong'
then the main reason for doing it had broken away. That was never the main
goal within the City of Munich. Our main goal was to become independent."

Munich is used to forging its own path. The city runs its own schools and
is one of the few socialist, rather than conservative governments, in
Bavaria.
[image: Peter Hofmann speaks in Berlin]
Peter Hofmann speaks about Munich's open source migration at the Linux Tag
conference in Berlin.
  Image: Stefan Krempl

Becoming independent meant Munich freeing itself from closed, proprietary
software, more specifically the Microsoft Windows NT operating system and
the Microsoft Office suite, and a host of other locked-down technologies
the city relied on in 2002.

The decision to ditch Microsoft was also born of necessity. In 2002 the
council knew official support for Windows NT, the OS used on 14,000 staff
machines at the council, would soon run out. The council ordered a study of
the merits of switching to XP and Office versus a GNU/Linux OS, OpenOffice
and other free software.

As well as being tied to Windows upgrades, Munich faced becoming more
tightly locked into the Microsoft ecosystem with each passing year, Hofmann
said.

"Windows has developed from a pure PC-centred operating system, like
Windows 3.11 was, to a whole infrastructure. If you're staying with
Microsoft you're getting more and more overwhelmed to update and change
your whole IT infrastructure [to fit with Microsoft]," according to
Hofmann, whether that be introducing a Microsoft Active Directory system or
running a key management server.

"If you're staying with Microsoft you're getting more and more overwhelmed
to update and change your whole IT infrastructure." Peter Hoffman

Free software was ruled the better choice by Munich's ruling body,
principally because it would free the council from dependence on any one
vendor and future-proof the council's technology stack via open protocols,
interfaces and data formats.

The prospect of such a high profile loss, and other organisations following
Munich's lead, spurred Microsoft to mount a last ditch campaign to win the
authority back. A senior sales executive at the time told general managers
in EMEA "under NO circumstances lose against
Linux<http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2003-07-13-microsoft-linux-munich_x.htm>."
Steve Ballmer himself took time out of a skiing holiday to make a revised
offer in March 2003, followed two months later by Microsoft knocking
millions of Euros off the price of sticking with Windows and Office.

The lobbying failed to change Munich's mind, and in June 2004 the council
gave the go-ahead to begin the migration from NT and Office 97/2000 to a
Linux-based OS, a custom-version of OpenOffice, as well as a variety of
free software, such as the Mozilla Firefox browser, Mozilla Thunderbird
e-mail client and the Gimp photo editing software. It became known as the
LiMux project, after the name for the custom Linux OS the council was
rolling out.
Making sense of the IT zoo

Nine years is a long time for a desktop migration by anyone's standards,
but the LiMux project was always going to be more than a simple transition.
[image: Microsoft's Steve Ballmer]
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer came to Munich and made the case for sticking
with Microsoft software.
  Image: James Martin/CNET

Originally planned as a soft roll out that would be complete by 2011, the
project was extended when it became clear that the migration to free
software would be more challenging than first thought.

The complexity came down to the way IT was managed at Munich: twenty two
different units handling IT for different parts of the council and each
with differences in the Windows clients and other software they used,
varying patch levels and no common directory, user, system or hardware
management.

"[The council] had 22 different units with their own IT, with totally
different kinds of systems for the networking, operating and user
directories. It was all a big zoo,? said Hofmann, adding there was no
detailed overview of the hardware each user relied upon or the software
they needed to do their job.

Without a clear picture of its IT estate, Munich found it was taking too
long to deal with unexpected problems thrown up when rolling out LiMux.

"If you set up an old PC with the new system you'd start recognising
'Whoops, that isn't there or there's hardware that needs to be
reconfigured' and at that stage that's clearly too late. You have to know
what's going on before you roll it out."

"We planned a slow migration, carrying out the migration and the
development of our LiMux client in parallel." Peter Hoffman

Munich chose to standardise processes for capturing each department's
infrastructure and requirements and for testing and release management, at
the cost of adding several years to the project's completion date.

"That took a large amount of time to get over these heterogeneous systems,"
said Hofmann.

A single unit was put in charge of maintaining and supporting the LiMux
client, as well as implementing and providing common tools for user and
system management.

The nature of the project had changed, from a desktop migration to cleaning
up much of Munich's IT infrastructure and the way it was managed ? a move
in keeping with the council's motto for the project: "Quality over time".

In spite of the delay in completing the project, Hofmann said the authority
had always planned to take its time.

"We never planned to carry out a big bang migration. From the start we
planned a slow migration, carrying out the migration and the development of
our LiMux client in parallel."
[image: LiMux logo]
Munich focused on The IT Evolution as the logo for its custom Linux
platform.

The time taken to complete the project is one of many reasons that
Microsoft has attacked Munich's move to LiMux. Areport criticising the
project<http://www.scribd.com/doc/122167337/Studie-OSS-Strategie-der-Stadt-Munchen-v1-0-Zusammenfassung>,
produced by HP for Microsoft, claimed the Redmond software giant could
migrate 50 to 500 desktop PCs per day if upgrading to a Microsoft OS and
office, suite compared to the eight per day it said was being achieved
under the LiMux project.

However, by Hofmann's reckoning, that slow and steady migration is one of
the reasons the project has largely managed to stay within its budget with
minimal disruption. The project finished within budget in October 2013,
with more than 14,800 staff migrated to using Limux and more than 15,000 to
OpenOffice.
Retooling for Linux

A myriad technical challenges emerged as Munich tried to reconfigure an
infrastructure littered with proprietary formats and protocols to play
nicely with LiMux and free software.

Large chunks of the software used by the council were built using Microsoft
technologies. For example, a sizeable proportion of Microsoft Office macros
were written in Microsoft's programming language Visual Basic, while other
departments were tied to Internet Explorer by a dependence on ActiveX. This
preponderance of lock-in interfaces was described as "awful" in 2010 by
then deputy head of the LiMux project Florian Schiessl.
[image: LiMux screenshot]
This screenshot of LiMux shows the major customization that Munich has done
to Ubuntu.

As would be expected, the council has had to shell out a chunk of change on
getting applications to work on LiMux ? a custom-build of the Ubuntu flavor
of Linux ? some ?774,000 as of last year.

At the time the migration started, the council used about 300 common office
software programs, such as web browsers and e-mail clients, and 170
specialised apps tailored to different roles performed by the council.
These specialised apps ranged from large-scale IT systems down to macros
and templates linked to Microsoft Office.

Understandably, migrating these apps to run on the LiMux OS is one of the
areas where choosing LiMux over Windows cost Munich, with the work on
migrating apps to LiMux costing ?200,000 more than porting them to a newer
version of Windows.

Offsetting that is the estimated ?6.8 million savings the council says it
had made as of last year from not having to licence a new Microsoft OS and
office suite.

The lion's share of Munich's applications, about 90 per cent, are
accessible via LiMux. Most have been ported, while others are running as
web apps, inside virtualised containers or via terminal servers.

A small number of apps have proven impossible to port, make accessible or
switch away from ? particularly software whose use is mandated by the
German government ? and have to be run directly on Windows machines.

While the council has weaned itself off the majority of Microsoft
technologies, Munich still experiences friction where it rubs against
proprietary software in widespread use elsewhere.

"We thought from the start we would have other organisations follow us but
it's really not easy." Peter Hoffman

One of the main complaints from Munich staff using LiMux and OpenOffice is
about incompatibilities with Microsoft Office. Documents, spreadsheets and
other files display some fonts, pictures and layouts differently in
OpenOffice than in Microsoft Office, and changes to some documents are not
properly logged.

Munich hopes to ease some of these problems by moving all its OpenOffice
users to LibreOffice, a process which will get underway at the end of this
year. Munich has worked with other users of LibreOffice, including
authorities in the German city of Freiburg and the Austrian capital Vienna,
to pay for updates to LibreOffice that should improve interoperability with
Microsoft's office suite.

The complexity of moving from proprietary software after years of being a
Microsoft shop might explain why more organisations haven't followed in
Munich's footsteps, and why some, like the German municipality of Freiburg,
have given up on their own shift to open source. Last year Freiburg
scrapped plans to move to OpenOffice claiming it would have cost up to ?250
per seat to resolve interoperability issues.

"We thought from the start we would have other organisations follow us but
it's really not easy," said Hofmann.
Cost

Hofmann's warning against justifying the jump to free software on cost
alone seems well-grounded given how hotly Microsoft has contested costings
for the programme.

Microsoft claims that, by its estimation, the LiMux project would have cost
considerably more than Munich has said. The HP report for Microsoft put the
project's price at ?60.6m, far more than the ?17m Microsoft claimed it
would have cost to shift to Windows XP and a newer version of Microsoft
Office.
[image: LiMux migration timeline]

Munich stands by its assertion that it has cost the council less to drop
Microsoft than it would have to have stuck with it, and says Microsoft's
figures are based on bogus assumptions.

The final cost will be released at the end of 2013, but in August 2013
Munich said it had cost ?23m to shift to LiMux and OpenOffice. Munich says
this is far less than the estimated ?34m it said it would have cost to
upgrade to Windows 7 and newer versions of Microsoft Office.

Where does the truth lie? Well Munich makes a good case for why much of the
work carried out during the LiMux project would have been necessary if the
council had decided to opt for a newer version of Windows, and how it has
saved money on top.

By choosing to swap to LiMux and OpenOffice Munich was able to keep using
its old PCs for longer, something that Hofmann said would not have been
possible if it had chosen some of the recent versions of Microsoft Office
and Windows 7.

Extending the lifespan of its PCs in this way had saved the council some
?4.6m as of last year, according to its official figures.

And by Munich's reckoning, the same standardisation of the council's tech
infrastructure and administration would have eventually been necessary
whatever the OS and office suite chosen, said Hofmann.
[image: LiMux workstations chart]

Training thousands of the council's staff to use a new OS and software is
another area where Munich believes the council would have faced equivalent
costs for both Microsoft and LiMux ? claiming it would have set them back
?1.69m regardless of the system.

"If we would have switched to Microsoft Office, the costs for the
e-learning platform would have been the same, and the new GUI for MS Office
would have required the same amount of training," said Hofmann.

"[In fact] the GUI in OpenOffice is much more like MS Office 2000 than the
new MS Office GUI."

Similarly the ?6.1m bill for personnel to oversee the migration process
would have remained the same regardless of whether the council moved to
LiMux or a future Windows OS, in Munich's estimation. Currently up to 18
people work at any one time work on development and maintenance tasks
relating to the operating system and office software for LiMux and Windows.
Freedom to work

While many businesses might balk at the thought of not having a support
contract to pick up the pieces when their OS and office software goes
wrong, Munich feels far from adrift, said Hofmann.
[image: Munich's Victory Gate]
Victory Gate is a symbol of the City of Munich. Its Linux migration
declared victory in October 2013.
  Image: iStockphoto/tzeiler

A team of just 25 people at Munich develop, roll out and provide final
support for the Ubuntu-based LiMux client. A larger number of people look
after the everyday administration of the city's PCs but far fewer than the
1,000 people cited in the Microsoft/HP report as implementing the LiMux
project.

The authority doesn't have a support deal for the LiMux client, but instead
handles support itself with the help of various free software communities,
such as those supporting Ubuntu, KDE, LibreOffice and OpenOffice.

"We are using the community way of support," said Hofmann. "We are finding
it to be effective, mostly."

The model is allowing the council to help develop the software it uses in
order that it better suit its needs.

"If you're only a customer with a support contract, it doesn't give you the
ability to change how things are put into Ubuntu or LibreOffice," said
Hofmann.

"That becomes more possible when you work with the community."

"We are using the community way of support." Peter Hoffman

The same staff who develop LiMux are also responsible for the last level of
support, Hofmann said, adding the authority prizes the freedom it has to
work out how to resolve problems on its own.

"We had an issue with OpenOffice in the past and a support contract
wouldn't have helped us because nobody else has this sort of problem, so we
would have had the choice to live with it or forget about it," said Hofmann.

Instead Munich paid a company to resolve the issue for them, and put the
patch upstream.

"The only downside is there's no-one to blame when things do go wrong, but
what's the advantage of that?" Hofmann said.
What does the future hold?

Now that the migration to LiMux is complete, Munich plans to continue
developing LiMux (the next version is due out in summer 2014) and continue
to incorporate changes made to the Ubuntu LTS release it's based upon. The
authority will also continue to identify opportunities to migrate other
apps to run on the LiMux client so it can further reduce its Microsoft
footprint.
[image: Picturesque Munich]
Picturesque Munich is regularly ranked as one of the world's most liveable
cities.
  Image: iStockphoto/Bj?rn Kindler


Now that Munich is on a path to freeing itself from proprietary ties,
Hofmann says he sees no compelling reason for the authority to ever go back.

"We saw from the start that if you're only relying on one contributor to
supply your operating system, your office system and your infrastructure,
you're stuck with it. You have to do what your contributor tells you to. If
they say 'There's no longer support for your office version', you have to
buy and implement a new one. You're no longer able to make those kinds of
decisions by yourself."

He is hopeful that Munich will show other large organisations that it is
possible to make the jump to free software and, while it is a difficult and
time-consuming process, making it happen doesn't mean shutting down your IT.

"It's the best thing you can do. I've been asked 'How come you say you're
up and running when Microsoft says you're already dead'," he said.

Hofmann's response: "It is possible to do an open source migration and
still have the citizens not left alone. We're far from being dead."

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-- 
Michael Shiloh	
teachmetomake.com/wordpress
KA6RCQ									

Educational Materials coordinator at Arduino.cc
Electronics, Robotics, Digital Fabrication, and Arduino educator
California College of the Arts
San Francisco Art Institute
San Francisco State University






From jim at systemateka.com  Fri Nov 22 12:21:54 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:21:54 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] fascinating story: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer
 and kicked Microsoft out of the city
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Deep thanks.


On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 11:33 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Linux-ME] How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked 
> Microsoft out of the city
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:02:47 +0400
> From: James Prabhakar <prabhags at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Linux-middleeast at yahoogroups.com
> To: linux-middleeast at yahoogroups.com
> 
> Breaking up with Microsoft is hard to do. Just ask Peter Hofmann, the man
> leading the City of Munich's project to ditch Windows and Office in favour
> of open source alternatives.
> 
> The project took close to a decade to complete, has seen the city wrestle
> with legal uncertainties and earned Munich a visit from Microsoft CEO Steve
> Ballmer, whose pleas to the mayor of Germany's third largest city not to
> switch fell on deaf ears.
> 
> Munich says the move to open source has saved it more than ?10m, a
> claimcontested
> by 
> Microsoft<http://www.zdnet.com/no-microsoft-open-source-software-really-is-cheaper-insists-munich-7000010918/>,
> yet Hofmann says the point of making the switch was never about money, but
> about freedom.
> 
> "If you are only doing a migration because you think it saves you money
> there's always somebody who tells you afterwards that you didn't calculate
> it properly," he said.
> 
> "Our main goal was to become independent." Peter Hoffman, project lead
> 
> "That was the experience of a lot of open source-based projects that have
> failed," Hofmann noted. They were only cost-driven and when the
> organisation got more money or somebody else said 'The costs are wrong'
> then the main reason for doing it had broken away. That was never the main
> goal within the City of Munich. Our main goal was to become independent."
> 
> Munich is used to forging its own path. The city runs its own schools and
> is one of the few socialist, rather than conservative governments, in
> Bavaria.
> [image: Peter Hofmann speaks in Berlin]
> Peter Hofmann speaks about Munich's open source migration at the Linux Tag
> conference in Berlin.
>   Image: Stefan Krempl
> 
> Becoming independent meant Munich freeing itself from closed, proprietary
> software, more specifically the Microsoft Windows NT operating system and
> the Microsoft Office suite, and a host of other locked-down technologies
> the city relied on in 2002.
> 
> The decision to ditch Microsoft was also born of necessity. In 2002 the
> council knew official support for Windows NT, the OS used on 14,000 staff
> machines at the council, would soon run out. The council ordered a study of
> the merits of switching to XP and Office versus a GNU/Linux OS, OpenOffice
> and other free software.
> 
> As well as being tied to Windows upgrades, Munich faced becoming more
> tightly locked into the Microsoft ecosystem with each passing year, Hofmann
> said.
> 
> "Windows has developed from a pure PC-centred operating system, like
> Windows 3.11 was, to a whole infrastructure. If you're staying with
> Microsoft you're getting more and more overwhelmed to update and change
> your whole IT infrastructure [to fit with Microsoft]," according to
> Hofmann, whether that be introducing a Microsoft Active Directory system or
> running a key management server.
> 
> "If you're staying with Microsoft you're getting more and more overwhelmed
> to update and change your whole IT infrastructure." Peter Hoffman
> 
> Free software was ruled the better choice by Munich's ruling body,
> principally because it would free the council from dependence on any one
> vendor and future-proof the council's technology stack via open protocols,
> interfaces and data formats.
> 
> The prospect of such a high profile loss, and other organisations following
> Munich's lead, spurred Microsoft to mount a last ditch campaign to win the
> authority back. A senior sales executive at the time told general managers
> in EMEA "under NO circumstances lose against
> Linux<http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2003-07-13-microsoft-linux-munich_x.htm>."
> Steve Ballmer himself took time out of a skiing holiday to make a revised
> offer in March 2003, followed two months later by Microsoft knocking
> millions of Euros off the price of sticking with Windows and Office.
> 
> The lobbying failed to change Munich's mind, and in June 2004 the council
> gave the go-ahead to begin the migration from NT and Office 97/2000 to a
> Linux-based OS, a custom-version of OpenOffice, as well as a variety of
> free software, such as the Mozilla Firefox browser, Mozilla Thunderbird
> e-mail client and the Gimp photo editing software. It became known as the
> LiMux project, after the name for the custom Linux OS the council was
> rolling out.
> Making sense of the IT zoo
> 
> Nine years is a long time for a desktop migration by anyone's standards,
> but the LiMux project was always going to be more than a simple transition.
> [image: Microsoft's Steve Ballmer]
> Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer came to Munich and made the case for sticking
> with Microsoft software.
>   Image: James Martin/CNET
> 
> Originally planned as a soft roll out that would be complete by 2011, the
> project was extended when it became clear that the migration to free
> software would be more challenging than first thought.
> 
> The complexity came down to the way IT was managed at Munich: twenty two
> different units handling IT for different parts of the council and each
> with differences in the Windows clients and other software they used,
> varying patch levels and no common directory, user, system or hardware
> management.
> 
> "[The council] had 22 different units with their own IT, with totally
> different kinds of systems for the networking, operating and user
> directories. It was all a big zoo,? said Hofmann, adding there was no
> detailed overview of the hardware each user relied upon or the software
> they needed to do their job.
> 
> Without a clear picture of its IT estate, Munich found it was taking too
> long to deal with unexpected problems thrown up when rolling out LiMux.
> 
> "If you set up an old PC with the new system you'd start recognising
> 'Whoops, that isn't there or there's hardware that needs to be
> reconfigured' and at that stage that's clearly too late. You have to know
> what's going on before you roll it out."
> 
> "We planned a slow migration, carrying out the migration and the
> development of our LiMux client in parallel." Peter Hoffman
> 
> Munich chose to standardise processes for capturing each department's
> infrastructure and requirements and for testing and release management, at
> the cost of adding several years to the project's completion date.
> 
> "That took a large amount of time to get over these heterogeneous systems,"
> said Hofmann.
> 
> A single unit was put in charge of maintaining and supporting the LiMux
> client, as well as implementing and providing common tools for user and
> system management.
> 
> The nature of the project had changed, from a desktop migration to cleaning
> up much of Munich's IT infrastructure and the way it was managed ? a move
> in keeping with the council's motto for the project: "Quality over time".
> 
> In spite of the delay in completing the project, Hofmann said the authority
> had always planned to take its time.
> 
> "We never planned to carry out a big bang migration. From the start we
> planned a slow migration, carrying out the migration and the development of
> our LiMux client in parallel."
> [image: LiMux logo]
> Munich focused on The IT Evolution as the logo for its custom Linux
> platform.
> 
> The time taken to complete the project is one of many reasons that
> Microsoft has attacked Munich's move to LiMux. Areport criticising the
> project<http://www.scribd.com/doc/122167337/Studie-OSS-Strategie-der-Stadt-Munchen-v1-0-Zusammenfassung>,
> produced by HP for Microsoft, claimed the Redmond software giant could
> migrate 50 to 500 desktop PCs per day if upgrading to a Microsoft OS and
> office, suite compared to the eight per day it said was being achieved
> under the LiMux project.
> 
> However, by Hofmann's reckoning, that slow and steady migration is one of
> the reasons the project has largely managed to stay within its budget with
> minimal disruption. The project finished within budget in October 2013,
> with more than 14,800 staff migrated to using Limux and more than 15,000 to
> OpenOffice.
> Retooling for Linux
> 
> A myriad technical challenges emerged as Munich tried to reconfigure an
> infrastructure littered with proprietary formats and protocols to play
> nicely with LiMux and free software.
> 
> Large chunks of the software used by the council were built using Microsoft
> technologies. For example, a sizeable proportion of Microsoft Office macros
> were written in Microsoft's programming language Visual Basic, while other
> departments were tied to Internet Explorer by a dependence on ActiveX. This
> preponderance of lock-in interfaces was described as "awful" in 2010 by
> then deputy head of the LiMux project Florian Schiessl.
> [image: LiMux screenshot]
> This screenshot of LiMux shows the major customization that Munich has done
> to Ubuntu.
> 
> As would be expected, the council has had to shell out a chunk of change on
> getting applications to work on LiMux ? a custom-build of the Ubuntu flavor
> of Linux ? some ?774,000 as of last year.
> 
> At the time the migration started, the council used about 300 common office
> software programs, such as web browsers and e-mail clients, and 170
> specialised apps tailored to different roles performed by the council.
> These specialised apps ranged from large-scale IT systems down to macros
> and templates linked to Microsoft Office.
> 
> Understandably, migrating these apps to run on the LiMux OS is one of the
> areas where choosing LiMux over Windows cost Munich, with the work on
> migrating apps to LiMux costing ?200,000 more than porting them to a newer
> version of Windows.
> 
> Offsetting that is the estimated ?6.8 million savings the council says it
> had made as of last year from not having to licence a new Microsoft OS and
> office suite.
> 
> The lion's share of Munich's applications, about 90 per cent, are
> accessible via LiMux. Most have been ported, while others are running as
> web apps, inside virtualised containers or via terminal servers.
> 
> A small number of apps have proven impossible to port, make accessible or
> switch away from ? particularly software whose use is mandated by the
> German government ? and have to be run directly on Windows machines.
> 
> While the council has weaned itself off the majority of Microsoft
> technologies, Munich still experiences friction where it rubs against
> proprietary software in widespread use elsewhere.
> 
> "We thought from the start we would have other organisations follow us but
> it's really not easy." Peter Hoffman
> 
> One of the main complaints from Munich staff using LiMux and OpenOffice is
> about incompatibilities with Microsoft Office. Documents, spreadsheets and
> other files display some fonts, pictures and layouts differently in
> OpenOffice than in Microsoft Office, and changes to some documents are not
> properly logged.
> 
> Munich hopes to ease some of these problems by moving all its OpenOffice
> users to LibreOffice, a process which will get underway at the end of this
> year. Munich has worked with other users of LibreOffice, including
> authorities in the German city of Freiburg and the Austrian capital Vienna,
> to pay for updates to LibreOffice that should improve interoperability with
> Microsoft's office suite.
> 
> The complexity of moving from proprietary software after years of being a
> Microsoft shop might explain why more organisations haven't followed in
> Munich's footsteps, and why some, like the German municipality of Freiburg,
> have given up on their own shift to open source. Last year Freiburg
> scrapped plans to move to OpenOffice claiming it would have cost up to ?250
> per seat to resolve interoperability issues.
> 
> "We thought from the start we would have other organisations follow us but
> it's really not easy," said Hofmann.
> Cost
> 
> Hofmann's warning against justifying the jump to free software on cost
> alone seems well-grounded given how hotly Microsoft has contested costings
> for the programme.
> 
> Microsoft claims that, by its estimation, the LiMux project would have cost
> considerably more than Munich has said. The HP report for Microsoft put the
> project's price at ?60.6m, far more than the ?17m Microsoft claimed it
> would have cost to shift to Windows XP and a newer version of Microsoft
> Office.
> [image: LiMux migration timeline]
> 
> Munich stands by its assertion that it has cost the council less to drop
> Microsoft than it would have to have stuck with it, and says Microsoft's
> figures are based on bogus assumptions.
> 
> The final cost will be released at the end of 2013, but in August 2013
> Munich said it had cost ?23m to shift to LiMux and OpenOffice. Munich says
> this is far less than the estimated ?34m it said it would have cost to
> upgrade to Windows 7 and newer versions of Microsoft Office.
> 
> Where does the truth lie? Well Munich makes a good case for why much of the
> work carried out during the LiMux project would have been necessary if the
> council had decided to opt for a newer version of Windows, and how it has
> saved money on top.
> 
> By choosing to swap to LiMux and OpenOffice Munich was able to keep using
> its old PCs for longer, something that Hofmann said would not have been
> possible if it had chosen some of the recent versions of Microsoft Office
> and Windows 7.
> 
> Extending the lifespan of its PCs in this way had saved the council some
> ?4.6m as of last year, according to its official figures.
> 
> And by Munich's reckoning, the same standardisation of the council's tech
> infrastructure and administration would have eventually been necessary
> whatever the OS and office suite chosen, said Hofmann.
> [image: LiMux workstations chart]
> 
> Training thousands of the council's staff to use a new OS and software is
> another area where Munich believes the council would have faced equivalent
> costs for both Microsoft and LiMux ? claiming it would have set them back
> ?1.69m regardless of the system.
> 
> "If we would have switched to Microsoft Office, the costs for the
> e-learning platform would have been the same, and the new GUI for MS Office
> would have required the same amount of training," said Hofmann.
> 
> "[In fact] the GUI in OpenOffice is much more like MS Office 2000 than the
> new MS Office GUI."
> 
> Similarly the ?6.1m bill for personnel to oversee the migration process
> would have remained the same regardless of whether the council moved to
> LiMux or a future Windows OS, in Munich's estimation. Currently up to 18
> people work at any one time work on development and maintenance tasks
> relating to the operating system and office software for LiMux and Windows.
> Freedom to work
> 
> While many businesses might balk at the thought of not having a support
> contract to pick up the pieces when their OS and office software goes
> wrong, Munich feels far from adrift, said Hofmann.
> [image: Munich's Victory Gate]
> Victory Gate is a symbol of the City of Munich. Its Linux migration
> declared victory in October 2013.
>   Image: iStockphoto/tzeiler
> 
> A team of just 25 people at Munich develop, roll out and provide final
> support for the Ubuntu-based LiMux client. A larger number of people look
> after the everyday administration of the city's PCs but far fewer than the
> 1,000 people cited in the Microsoft/HP report as implementing the LiMux
> project.
> 
> The authority doesn't have a support deal for the LiMux client, but instead
> handles support itself with the help of various free software communities,
> such as those supporting Ubuntu, KDE, LibreOffice and OpenOffice.
> 
> "We are using the community way of support," said Hofmann. "We are finding
> it to be effective, mostly."
> 
> The model is allowing the council to help develop the software it uses in
> order that it better suit its needs.
> 
> "If you're only a customer with a support contract, it doesn't give you the
> ability to change how things are put into Ubuntu or LibreOffice," said
> Hofmann.
> 
> "That becomes more possible when you work with the community."
> 
> "We are using the community way of support." Peter Hoffman
> 
> The same staff who develop LiMux are also responsible for the last level of
> support, Hofmann said, adding the authority prizes the freedom it has to
> work out how to resolve problems on its own.
> 
> "We had an issue with OpenOffice in the past and a support contract
> wouldn't have helped us because nobody else has this sort of problem, so we
> would have had the choice to live with it or forget about it," said Hofmann.
> 
> Instead Munich paid a company to resolve the issue for them, and put the
> patch upstream.
> 
> "The only downside is there's no-one to blame when things do go wrong, but
> what's the advantage of that?" Hofmann said.
> What does the future hold?
> 
> Now that the migration to LiMux is complete, Munich plans to continue
> developing LiMux (the next version is due out in summer 2014) and continue
> to incorporate changes made to the Ubuntu LTS release it's based upon. The
> authority will also continue to identify opportunities to migrate other
> apps to run on the LiMux client so it can further reduce its Microsoft
> footprint.
> [image: Picturesque Munich]
> Picturesque Munich is regularly ranked as one of the world's most liveable
> cities.
>   Image: iStockphoto/Bj?rn Kindler
> 
> 
> Now that Munich is on a path to freeing itself from proprietary ties,
> Hofmann says he sees no compelling reason for the authority to ever go back.
> 
> "We saw from the start that if you're only relying on one contributor to
> supply your operating system, your office system and your infrastructure,
> you're stuck with it. You have to do what your contributor tells you to. If
> they say 'There's no longer support for your office version', you have to
> buy and implement a new one. You're no longer able to make those kinds of
> decisions by yourself."
> 
> He is hopeful that Munich will show other large organisations that it is
> possible to make the jump to free software and, while it is a difficult and
> time-consuming process, making it happen doesn't mean shutting down your IT.
> 
> "It's the best thing you can do. I've been asked 'How come you say you're
> up and running when Microsoft says you're already dead'," he said.
> 
> Hofmann's response: "It is possible to do an open source migration and
> still have the citizens not left alone. We're far from being dead."
> 
> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-munich-rejected-steve-ballmer-and-kicked-microsoft-out-of-the-city/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531
> 
> 





From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Nov 22 13:06:08 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:06:08 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Automotive Linux selling well.
Message-ID: <528FC740.4090403@dslextreme.com>

Automotive Linux Leaves Microsoft and Blackberry QNX in the Dust!
Full story below:
<http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158-jim-zemlin/749390-automotive-linux-leaves-microsoft-and-blackberry-qnx-in-the-dust>

     Linux is outselling the other systems by far.  You can read the 
story at the above URL.  You would not
want to read that Windows was running your new vehicle would you?

     Thanks for the inspiration for this news item Michael Shiloh,

     bliss



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Nov 22 16:25:32 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:25:32 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] fascinating story: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer
 and kicked Microsoft out of the city
In-Reply-To: <528FB187.4010607@gmail.com>
References: <CAK0=aNNWXHhASYF6wrTuZ82cuVbMuqrQvcZTUsLXLrzENLy3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<528FB187.4010607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20131123002532.GM2132@linuxmafia.com>


A truly excellent article about migration of a major site from
Microsoft-centric computing to open source.

Quoting author Nick Heath:

> "We planned a slow migration, carrying out the migration and the
> development of our LiMux client in parallel." Peter Hoffman
> 
> Munich chose to standardise processes for capturing each department's
> infrastructure and requirements and for testing and release management, at
> the cost of adding several years to the project's completion date.

This is important.  It speaks to them being serious about requirement
analysis.  And also, avoiding the trap of promoting open source
primarily on the basis of 'it's cheaper' was vital.

> Large chunks of the software used by the council were built using Microsoft
> technologies. For example, a sizeable proportion of Microsoft Office macros
> were written in Microsoft's programming language Visual Basic, while other
> departments were tied to Internet Explorer by a dependence on ActiveX.

These are two of the three most pervasive problem areas.

> One of the main complaints from Munich staff using LiMux and
> OpenOffice is about incompatibilities with Microsoft Office.
> Documents, spreadsheets and other files display some fonts, pictures
> and layouts differently in OpenOffice than in Microsoft Office, and
> changes to some documents are not properly logged.

And that's the third.  With something as ideosyncratic as the MS-Office
applications, font and layout metrics are just not going to be quite the
same in third-party compatible software such as LibreOffice and
OpenOffice.org.

> 170 specialised apps tailored to different roles performed by the
> council.

And there are always these -- underlining why requirements analysis is so
important.  (Sometimes, it might best to punt and say 'Fine, you can
keep running your antique version of Quicken in a virtual NT4 session
under LiMux.'

They're lucky to have not attempted to decouple from Microsoft
infrastructure before they could be tied more strongly into 
Active Directory (with or without Exchange Server).  That makes divorce
more problematic.

> "The only downside is there's no-one to blame when things do go wrong, but
> what's the advantage of that?" Hofmann said.

http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#someone-to-sue   ;->

(I've been following this story for some years.)




From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 11:58:28 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 11:58:28 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Automotive Linux selling well.
In-Reply-To: <528FC740.4090403@dslextreme.com>
References: <528FC740.4090403@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <529108E4.9040303@gmail.com>

Just the messenger, but glad to help inspiration, as you (and others on 
this list) inspire me.

On 11/22/2013 01:06 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Automotive Linux Leaves Microsoft and Blackberry QNX in the Dust!
> Full story below:
> <http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158-jim-zemlin/749390-automotive-linux-leaves-microsoft-and-blackberry-qnx-in-the-dust>
>
>
>      Linux is outselling the other systems by far.  You can read the
> story at the above URL.  You would not
> want to read that Windows was running your new vehicle would you?
>
>      Thanks for the inspiration for this news item Michael Shiloh,
>
>      bliss
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/

-- 
Michael Shiloh	
teachmetomake.com/wordpress
KA6RCQ									

Educational Materials coordinator at Arduino.cc
Electronics, Robotics, Digital Fabrication, and Arduino educator
California College of the Arts
San Francisco Art Institute
San Francisco State University




From alchaiken at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 00:20:53 2013
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:20:53 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Automotive Linux selling well
Message-ID: <CAKoGHGVYrEVd2a=J19xD-0LbLf1Yo8zTbj9_FOwAWPTtU06vYw@mail.gmail.com>

Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>      Linux is outselling the other systems by far.

I'm sceptical.    I work professionally and as a hobby on automotive
Linux, which is widely quoted to have a market share about 10%
compared to QNX's share of about 60%.  See slide 10 of the following
for what I know for sure at the moment:

http://www.slideshare.net/chaiken/chaiken-nblug-2013

The table oversimplifies, as many cars contain CPUs running QNX and
CPUs running Linux.   For example, GM's OnStar remains QNX, but they
are the leader shipper of Linux in cars at the moment.  QNX is a rough
patch due to the faltering of parent BlackBerry, but Fiat/Chrysler
recently announced that they plan to stay with QNX for their next
generation.

QNX sounds pretty decent: consider that QNX will merge in the
CRC-hardware-offload for network protocols that BSD is producing:

http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/2013/11/bsdtalk234-henning-brauer-at-vbsdcon.html

Anyone know if HW offloading of packet CRC computation is supported in Linux?

-- 
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)                       {she-devel.com,
exerciseforthereader.org}
"Sadly, in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man has trouble
ruling.   Everyone is busy trying to take that eye out."  -- Bob Lutz



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Nov 25 10:20:52 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:20:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday December 1, 2013 and Open Mandriva
Message-ID: <52939504.1050702@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

     /Permit me to digress.
     ==================================
     However I have gotten copies of Open Mandriva for i586 and x86-64
& checked the md5sums of the downloaded .iso files.  I will have them
at the meeting next Sunday.
     Saturday, November 23, 2013 a note showed up on the Usenet
newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandriva, that this work was finally ready
  for release.
     So I got it downloaded after I read this and this afternoon I put it
on a DVD and it might well be Mandriva itself. But unlike any
version of Mandriva so far it booted OpenMandriva L 2013.0
     Which is pretty good lacks but some of my standard tools and is
running *Linux kernel 3.11.8 with KDE Version 4.11.2.*

     The live version is pretty good and the tools let me
access my home directory to make a few short notes. But the
Dolphin furnished is in an elementary state but with an hour
or so I expect it could be made to work in a two panel version
as I prefer. Missing tools included Kate, GIMP and Thunderbird.
VLC is hidden deep in the menus. The menus are set up to be
relatively short with the final item on several being "More" which
seemed a hardship to select then move the mouse further to
see what is hiding there. But I get shaky at times and that
seemed to be the case as I tested this.
     I doubt I would be installing to my HD soon as PCLOS has many
hours of my customization already done. Since I have things to do
that my customizations support I doubt i will give it a try
beyond this soon. Maybe if PCLOS doesn't move fast enough
with the kernel updates I might change my mind.
     OpenMandriva Computer Control Center was a welcome
sight and while the Video Card setup stuff has an added page it
still did a good configuration. They seem to have dropped the
test of the driver choices unfortunately. The software updating
stuff is still in the Control Center.
     The .iso files are only about 1.5 Gigabytes each.
         ==================================
/end digression

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Hope to see a few of you all next Sunday!

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Nov 27 12:28:52 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:28:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Followup to previous announcement of SF Lug meeting Sunday
 December 1, 2013 and Open Mandriva
Message-ID: <52965604.9000400@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

digression excised.
	I was able to get a fresh issue of LP and it has ArtistX version 1.5 
which is a multimedia studio for amateurs and professional artists, 
based on Ubuntu with Gnome 3.6 with Kernel 3.8 and Arch Linux Release 
2013.10.01 with Kernel 3.11.2 and whatever desktop environment
you chose to add.  Arch is noted for letting you build whatever you
want on top of the system, you install with the pacman, package manager
and is pretty easy to work with letting you produce minimalist installs
with only the tools you care to use.
	Other than that the issue deals with lots of Privacy Tools and
covers the use of Parted Magic toolkit.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Hope to see a few of you all next Sunday!

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 27 14:26:04 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:26:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Nov 27 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1385591164.59654.YahooMailNeo@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From nbs at sonic.net  Sat Nov 30 00:12:33 2013
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:12:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	Dec. 16: One Laptop Per Child and Sugar: Collaborative, Joyful,
	and Self-empowered Learning
Message-ID: <201311300812.rAU8CXEG015848@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  December 16, 2013
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:
  OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) and Sugar: Collaborative, Joyful, and
  Self-empowered Learning

  presented by Sameer Verma, San Francisco State University

    The One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project <http://one.laptop.org/>
    has had several beginnings.  The idea has roots in the 60s.
    It gained momentum in the last 15 years.  OLPC released the idea to the
    world in 2005, and its first product in 2007.  A lot has changed
    since then.  We'll look at an update on the projects, learning
    through robotics, assessment through learning analytics, offline
    mirco-clouds, HTML5 apps, Sugar <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar>
    on tablets and Raspberry Pi, and other new initiatives.  In a world of
    cheap, Android-driven tablets, how does the idea of OLPC fit?
    What role does the Sugar learning platform continue to play inside
    and outside of OLPC?  Help us grow the initiatives so that children
    of the world may continue to have a chance at collaborative, joyful,
    and self-empowered learning.

About the speaker:
  Sameer Verma, Ph.D. is professor of Information Systems at San
  Francisco State University.  His research focuses on the diffusion
  and adoption of innovative technologies.  He is currently working on
  several academic research projects which include the diffusion of
  open source software, sustainable IT in rural and remote environments,
  and the impact of offline networks.  In addition to his academic work,
  Professor Verma has worked with companies in consulting capacity in
  the areas of content analysis, management and delivery.

  Professor Verma is on the Board of Directors of the Drupal
  Association.  He also serves on the advisory boards of WiRED
  International, The Center for Ethical and Sustainable Business (CESB)
  at SF State, and some San Francisco Bay Area technology companies.
  He is also the founder of the Commons Initiative at SF State, the
  OLPC San Francisco and communities, and an institutional partner at
  the Centres of Excellence, University of the West Indies, Jamaica.

This meeting will be held at:

  Yolo County Public Library, Mary L. Stephens Davis Branch
  Blanchard Community Meeting Room
  315 East 14th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can 'like' LUGOD on Facebook at:
  https://www.facebook.com/LinuxUsersGroupOfDavis
  join the LUGOD group on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and find us on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From jim at well.com  Sat Nov 30 17:54:13 2013
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:54:13 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Format has forked -- introducing Linux Voice!
Message-ID: <1385862853.1685.123.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


I'm writing to let you know that the editorial team behind Linux Format
has quit, and is in the process of launching a rival Linux magazine
called Linux Voice.

http://www.linuxvoice.com/hello-linux-format-and-tuxradar-readers/

Linux Voice will cover most of the same content as Linux Format, with
many of the same writers, but it will be different in three key areas:

1/ We'll give 50% of our profits back to community groups and
organisations supporting free software. Admittedly our profits won't be
massive at first, but if we achieve even half the success that Linux
Format did (and maybe we will after a couple of years) we'll be able to
contribute quite a bit of cash.

2/ After no longer than 9 months, we'll relicense old content under the
Creative Commons CC-BY-SA licence, so teachers, LUGs, students and
anybody else can take, copy and improve upon our work for their own
ends.

3/ We won't be owned by a bunch of hedge funds, like Linux Format is
(http://www.futureplc.com/investors/major-shareholders/)
, so we'll be free from corporate interference. Free to do the best job
we possibly can.

www.indiegogo.com/projects/linux-voice 
shows what we're up to.


Thanks,

Andrew Gregory,
Linux Voice 





From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  3 11:11:31 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 11:11:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Dec 4 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1386097891.12621.YahooMailNeo@web181706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>



The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in 
the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Dec  4 12:48:09 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:48:09 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] last Cafe Enchante meeting note for Jason
Message-ID: <529F9509.8030304@dslextreme.com>

Hi.

     Jason, you asked for a copy of Kali which I now have with the .iso 
download
check-summed and written to disk which copy was verified.  If you want 
to get if from me before the meeting
  on 16th of December let me know.

     I have had a lot of trouble with my Compaq notebook in the last few 
days and I might lose e-mail again.
     If you write to me and get no response within 12 hours try 
resending to blisssf4ever at gmail.com as I will
be checking my Android tablet.

     For those of you wondering about the trouble with the Compaq 
notebook last Friday night a regular update thru regular
channels broke my installation of PC Linux OS 2013.10 and after that I 
have had lots of trouble with starting stuff from
the menu and the panel icons stuff that is important to me like the KDE 
text editors, KWrite and Kate.  I am sent messages
about missing KDE text-editor components and when I try to reboot get no 
further than a black inactive screen with mouse
pointer and if I do Ctrl-alt-backspace it goes back to the login.
     On Monday I went back to the 2013.07 release and it still is 
complaining though I have learned to run a program from
the terminal and detach it.
     I have kept my notebook running for several days now and fear that 
when I log-out or reboot I may end up at that black
useless screen again.  If the Compaq does this in the next few days I 
will replace the hard drive which has been in service
some time.   I won't voluntariley log out until  I have the time for the 
work after backing up the work done on this computer.

     Oh yes I heard an interesting statistic that 14% of consumer 
laptops fail and the suggestion is not tighter quality controls
to be put in place but that you buy an extended service contract.

     Bobbie Sellers

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From morganw8-nb at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  6 10:03:36 2013
From: morganw8-nb at yahoo.com (Morgan.)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:03:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinuxOS Start Menu icon disappeared
Message-ID: <1386353016.13583.YahooMailNeo@web181202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Sorry for lack of proper terminology, I think the label "start menu" is really a windows term.? On PCLinuxOS, it looks like a green triangle with a couple of circles around it. 


I was visiting my family in Massachusetts in September, and my elderly mother's PC was limping along with old XP (very slow, too much junk installed).? I decided to install PCLinuxOS.? 32bit Mate (I think).? Worked great, ran well, and much faster. 


I just got the phone call.? She did something to make the "start menu"icon disappear.? Alt-F1 still works to get the main menu.? Anyone know how this could happen, or better yet, how to get the icon back???
Thanks. 

p.s. I meant to install a remote desktop package, but didn't make the time.? That will teach me.? Does anyone have any opinions or experience with either of these: 
http://www.teamviewer.com
http://www.tightvnc.com/
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Dec  6 10:12:54 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 10:12:54 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinuxOS Start Menu icon disappeared
In-Reply-To: <1386353016.13583.YahooMailNeo@web181202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1386353016.13583.YahooMailNeo@web181202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <52A213A6.502@dslextreme.com>

On 12/06/2013 10:03 AM, Morgan. wrote:
> Sorry for lack of proper terminology, I think the label "start menu" is really a windows term.  On PCLinuxOS, it looks like a green triangle with a couple of circles around it.
>
>
> I was visiting my family in Massachusetts in September, and my elderly mother's PC was limping along with old XP (very slow, too much junk installed).  I decided to install PCLinuxOS.  32bit Mate (I think).  Worked great, ran well, and much faster.
>
>
> I just got the phone call.  She did something to make the "start menu"icon disappear.  Alt-F1 still works to get the main menu.  Anyone know how this could happen, or better yet, how to get the icon back?
> Thanks.
>
> p.s. I meant to install a remote desktop package, but didn't make the time.  That will teach me.  Does anyone have any opinions or experience with either of these:
> http://www.teamviewer.com
> http://www.tightvnc.com/

     Unfortuantely I use KDE with PCLOS and you might seek help at the 
PCLOS site.  It has faqs and a forum where the same question may be asked.
I think the term is task bar or panel but hard to guess from your 
remarks since I don.t use Mate

     Bobbie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From jim at systemateka.com  Sat Dec  7 08:53:09 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 08:53:09 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinuxOS Start Menu icon disappeared
In-Reply-To: <1386353016.13583.YahooMailNeo@web181202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1386353016.13583.YahooMailNeo@web181202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1386435189.2681.15.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


    I, myself, don't know the answer but I'm 
responding in hopes that one of the other 
readers of this list will reply with helpful 
info. Here's my understanding of your problem: 

    "I decided to install PCLinuxOS. [Mom] did 
something to make the 'start menu' icon disappear.  
Alt-F1 still works to get the main menu.  
Anyone know how this could happen, or better 
yet, how to get the icon back?"


On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 10:03 -0800, Morgan. wrote:
> Sorry for lack of proper terminology, I think the label "start menu"
> is really a windows term.  On PCLinuxOS, it looks like a green
> triangle with a couple of circles around it. 
> 
> 
> I was visiting my family in Massachusetts in September, and my elderly
> mother's PC was limping along with old XP (very slow, too much junk
> installed).  I decided to install PCLinuxOS.  32bit Mate (I think).
> Worked great, ran well, and much faster. 
> 
> 
> 
> I just got the phone call.  She did something to make the "start
> menu"icon disappear.  Alt-F1 still works to get the main menu.  Anyone
> know how this could happen, or better yet, how to get the icon back?  
> 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> p.s. I meant to install a remote desktop package, but didn't make the
> time.  That will teach me.  Does anyone have any opinions or
> experience with either of these: 
> http://www.teamviewer.com
> http://www.tightvnc.com/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/





From tomdiz at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  7 17:34:26 2013
From: tomdiz at yahoo.com (Thomas DiZoglio)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:34:26 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinuxOS Start Menu icon disappeared
In-Reply-To: <1386353016.13583.YahooMailNeo@web181202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1386353016.13583.YahooMailNeo@web181202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9B8B85E9-8C94-47A4-A094-9C16DF988670@yahoo.com>

What version PCLinuxOS are you running? LXDE?

On LXDE you can right click on the panel and add item. Then look for icon that is missing.

If no panel, you can add that too. She probably remove the icon from the panel.
------------
t0md

> On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "Morgan." <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry for lack of proper terminology, I think the label "start menu" is really a windows term.  On PCLinuxOS, it looks like a green triangle with a couple of circles around it. 
> 
> I was visiting my family in Massachusetts in September, and my elderly mother's PC was limping along with old XP (very slow, too much junk installed).  I decided to install PCLinuxOS.  32bit Mate (I think).  Worked great, ran well, and much faster. 
> 
> I just got the phone call.  She did something to make the "start menu"icon disappear.  Alt-F1 still works to get the main menu.  Anyone know how this could happen, or better yet, how to get the icon back?  
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> p.s. I meant to install a remote desktop package, but didn't make the time.  That will teach me.  Does anyone have any opinions or experience with either of these: 
> http://www.teamviewer.com
> http://www.tightvnc.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Dec  7 18:09:48 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 18:09:48 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] computer seems to be running OK
Message-ID: <52A3D4EC.5000206@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,
     This is a follow up to previous posts where I was having a lot of 
trouble with various
tools after an update on Friday the 29th of November.  Was not able to 
get the computer working
much until about the evening of December 1 and left it running in order 
to continue using it.
I finally shut it down with a logout and it would not return to the 
desktop.
  I restarted the computer and it still would not return to the desktop.
     I installed the PCLinux OS of 2013.12 this afternoon and it seems 
to be Ok,
     I am able to access the editors without the use of a terminal from 
which to detach them.
and have managed to get the most important configuration items moved over.
     Since starting I have logged out then was able to log back in.
     I put it to hibernate and when I hit the power button it got back 
to the desktop.

     Hurah! Huzah! Banzai!
     Bobbie Sellers.
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From bloonoise at gmail.com  Sat Dec  7 19:01:07 2013
From: bloonoise at gmail.com (bloonoise)
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 19:01:07 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 95, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1386446406.29154.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
References: <mailman.1.1386446406.29154.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <52A3E0F3.6040205@gmail.com>

    uh yeah you need to be much clearer about which Desktop.....
maybe MATE??? anyway it probably gets a fix via a right click on 
whatever is or isnt there
  did she switch icons??? what led to this?? which Desktop??



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> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 08:53:09 -0800
> From: jim <jim at systemateka.com>
> To: "Morgan." <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] PCLinuxOS Start Menu icon disappeared
> Message-ID: <1386435189.2681.15.camel at jim-LAPTOP>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
>
>      I, myself, don't know the answer but I'm
> responding in hopes that one of the other
> readers of this list will reply with helpful
> info. Here's my understanding of your problem:
>
>      "I decided to install PCLinuxOS. [Mom] did
> something to make the 'start menu' icon disappear.
> Alt-F1 still works to get the main menu.
> Anyone know how this could happen, or better
> yet, how to get the icon back?"
>
>
> On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 10:03 -0800, Morgan. wrote:
>> Sorry for lack of proper terminology, I think the label "start menu"
>> is really a windows term.  On PCLinuxOS, it looks like a green
>> triangle with a couple of circles around it.
>>
>>
>> I was visiting my family in Massachusetts in September, and my elderly
>> mother's PC was limping along with old XP (very slow, too much junk
>> installed).  I decided to install PCLinuxOS.  32bit Mate (I think).
>> Worked great, ran well, and much faster.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just got the phone call.  She did something to make the "start
>> menu"icon disappear.  Alt-F1 still works to get the main menu.  Anyone
>> know how this could happen, or better yet, how to get the icon back?
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> p.s. I meant to install a remote desktop package, but didn't make the
>> time.  That will teach me.  Does anyone have any opinions or
>> experience with either of these:
>> http://www.teamviewer.com
>> http://www.tightvnc.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 10 09:28:24 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 09:28:24 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Monday 16 December 2013
Message-ID: <52A74F38.6080509@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     I have the latest issue of Linux Pro magazine and will bring it
along.

     Hope to see you there.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From morganw8-nb at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 10 10:28:40 2013
From: morganw8-nb at yahoo.com (Morgan.)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:28:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinuxOS Start Menu icon disappeared
In-Reply-To: <9B8B85E9-8C94-47A4-A094-9C16DF988670@yahoo.com>
References: <1386353016.13583.YahooMailNeo@web181202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<9B8B85E9-8C94-47A4-A094-9C16DF988670@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1386700120.91727.YahooMailNeo@web181206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thank you Thomas.? You found it, that was the trick.? 





>________________________________
> From: Thomas DiZoglio <tomdiz at yahoo.com>
>To: Morgan. <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com> 
>Cc: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [sf-lug] PCLinuxOS Start Menu icon disappeared
> 
>
>
>What version PCLinuxOS are you running? LXDE?
>
>
>On LXDE you can right click on the panel and add item. Then look for icon that is missing.
>
>
>If no panel, you can add that too. She probably remove the icon from the panel.
>------------
>t0md
>
>On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "Morgan." <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>Sorry for lack of proper terminology, I think the label "start menu" is really a windows term.? On PCLinuxOS, it looks like a green triangle with a couple of circles around it. 
>>
>>
>>
>>I was visiting my family in Massachusetts in September, and my elderly mother's PC was limping along with old XP (very slow, too much junk installed).? I decided to install PCLinuxOS.? 32bit Mate (I think).? Worked great, ran well, and much faster. 
>>
>>
>>
>>I just got the phone call.? She did something to make the "start menu"icon disappear.? Alt-F1 still works to get the main menu.? Anyone know how this could happen, or better yet, how to get the icon back???
>>
>>Thanks. 
>>
>>p.s. I meant to install a remote desktop package, but didn't make the time.? That will teach me.? Does anyone have any opinions or experience with either of these: 
>>http://www.teamviewer.com
>>http://www.tightvnc.com/
>>
>>
>_______________________________________________
>>sf-lug mailing list
>>sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 10 21:34:16 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:34:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Dec 11 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1386740056.45581.YahooMailNeo@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in 
the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 11 09:13:15 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:13:15 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Format has forked -- introducing Linux Voice!
In-Reply-To: <1385862853.1685.123.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1385862853.1685.123.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFFBRcgOTOrF2edibi4aQZWdTH6aL_h-WN51bhCQ6Jimhw@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like they hit their funding target 2 weeks early!
http://www.linuxvoice.com/weve-hit-the-target/
Ken


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:54 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
> I'm writing to let you know that the editorial team behind Linux Format
> has quit, and is in the process of launching a rival Linux magazine
> called Linux Voice.
>
> http://www.linuxvoice.com/hello-linux-format-and-tuxradar-readers/
>
> Linux Voice will cover most of the same content as Linux Format, with
> many of the same writers, but it will be different in three key areas:
>
> 1/ We'll give 50% of our profits back to community groups and
> organisations supporting free software. Admittedly our profits won't be
> massive at first, but if we achieve even half the success that Linux
> Format did (and maybe we will after a couple of years) we'll be able to
> contribute quite a bit of cash.
>
> 2/ After no longer than 9 months, we'll relicense old content under the
> Creative Commons CC-BY-SA licence, so teachers, LUGs, students and
> anybody else can take, copy and improve upon our work for their own
> ends.
>
> 3/ We won't be owned by a bunch of hedge funds, like Linux Format is
> (http://www.futureplc.com/investors/major-shareholders/)
> , so we'll be free from corporate interference. Free to do the best job
> we possibly can.
>
> www.indiegogo.com/projects/linux-voice
> shows what we're up to.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew Gregory,
> Linux Voice
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 18 10:02:26 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:02:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Dec 18 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1387389746.29431.YahooMailNeo@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in 
the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 12:22:38 2013
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:22:38 -0600
Subject: [sf-lug] Hope for your project
Message-ID: <CABWFOjucda=Qd7PmfMxdbj_8dkTwNNfBWW6N=pGuPjmBGCx=QQ@mail.gmail.com>

  In June I wrote:

> Is your C++ project on the ropes?  I'm willing to donate 15 hours
> a week for up to six months on a project that uses the C++
> Middleware Writer (CMW).  The CMW is an on line code
> generator that writes low-level C++ marshalling code based on
> high-level user input.  The CMW is an increasingly robust producer
> of concrete code.

In addition to the above offer, I'll give $500 cash and a $1,000
investment in my company for help finding someone interested
in this.  I'll pay the cash part after working with the person or
team for four months.  The company rewards investments to 3
times their original amount, so the investment will result in
between $0 and $3,000, depending on how things go for the
company.

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 25 07:37:26 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 07:37:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Jan 8,
	2014 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1387985846.75632.YahooMailNeo@web181706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The next official meeting of the SF-LUG Linux Discussion group will be on Wednesday, January 8, 2014.

Happy Holidays and best wishes for a Merry Christmas (or other winter solstice celebration) and a Happy New Year.

Joseph


The
 SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in 
the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Dec 26 10:49:33 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 10:49:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting at Cafe Enchante on December 16,
	2013 and some notes.
Message-ID: <52BC7A3D.5000304@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

    I arrived at the Cafe Enchante about 1750,  setup machine without
problems and got a decaf soy latte.  I mention this because it seems
important to me that attendees patronize the establishment where
the meeting is hosted.
     1810 caught up on my notes as no one else has shown up,
     1850 Jason showed up with the news that Jim was looking for a
parking place.   He was happy to get a copy of Kali which is the new
name for BackTrack and is basically an intrusion detection tool,

     Jim showed up and read a Linux Pro magazine as he advised Jason
as to the use of dd to copy files from his old hard drive. Having read the
magazine Jim mentioned the article which says the future of computing
is in ARM powered devices.  I replied that the matter is still open to
debate and my belief that the future of computing actually still lies
largely in the x86 and its derivatives.  While we enjoyed, I believe, the
extended discussion touching on past cpu chips and how they were
used I could wish  that some more knowledgeable people would show
up to to my mistakes in understanding

     I used my USB Flash drive to load PC Linux Full Monty OS 2013.12
onto my notebook for the edification of the gathered.  When asked
about the elaborate pre-setup of the OS with 6 dedicated virtual desktops
I said that with the right machine loaded with memory and video ram
with a fast CPU it would be nice for a lot of people.  Also it has a lot
of software which has to be downloaded otherwise.  For example it
comes with Kate out of the basic installation.  The regular PCLOS
has only KWrite and Kate must be downloaded.  Now the interesting
and significant part is that unless you happen to know about software
not included with the standard distribution what are you going to do
about it?   Because I learned about Kate on Mandriva distributions over
the last few years I knew enough download it.  Besides that if you are
running a late version of Windows on a rather new machine you might
be happy to switch over to a Linux with lots of tools and eye candy and
which looks nothing like Windows.

     1955 we packed it up.  Jim gave me a ride home then took Jason
to his next stop.

     The next meeting will be on January 5, 2014 and will be noticed as
usual next Monday.   I already have a copy of the latest Linux Pro and
will be bringing it to the meeting.  The DVD of the month is Ubuntu
13.10 in 32 and 64 bit versions.  If anyone wants copies from this
DVD or from the only line version of the iso files let me know in advance
and I will have them at the next meeting and may pickup Kubuntu 13.xx
in the meantime.   The magazine has articles on running Linux in the two
main virtual box style tools under Windows and on running Windows
under Linux in the tools.

     Thanks for your attention!
     Trusting you have all had happy holidays according to the flavor
you enjoy and wishing you all a very Happy New Year and a happy,
healthy, and prosperous year in 2014.

     Bobbie Sellers


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From nbs at sonic.net  Fri Dec 27 17:26:29 2013
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 17:26:29 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis celebrates 15 years with
	"GlusterFS" talk, party; Jan. 20 @ Veterans Memorial
Message-ID: <201312280126.rBS1QTBE021121@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) is celebrating 15 years serving
the greater Sacramento area!

  Monday
  January 20, 2014
  7:00pm - 9:00pm


Presentation:

  GlusterFS
  presented by John Mark Walker, GlusterFS Community Leader, Red Hat

  GlusterFS is an open source, distributed file system capable of scaling
  to several petabytes (actually, 72 brontobytes!) and handling thousands
  of clients.  GlusterFS clusters together storage building blocks over
  Infiniband RDMA or TCP/IP interconnect, aggregating disk and memory
  resources and managing data in a single global namespace.

  GlusterFS is based on a stackable user space design and can deliver
  exceptional performance for diverse workloads.


About the speaker:

  John Mark Walker has travelled extensively to build local technology
  communities, establish relationships with partners and customers,
  and develop global communities that scale.  Specializing in grass roots
  marketing, he has developed an eye for identifying and nurturing community
  contributors into becoming leaders and evangelists in their own right,
  allowing communities to benefit from the network effect and a larger
  center of gravity.


Anniversary celebration:

  This meeting marks the 15th anniversary of LUGOD's formation, in
  January 1999.  We shall celebrate with free pizza, snacks and cakes,
  and free give-away prizes!


This meeting will be held at a special location:

  Veterans' Memorial Center
  Club Room
  203 East 14th Street
  Davis, CA 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/upcoming/#2014.01.20

For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/vetcenter/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can 'like' LUGOD on Facebook at:
  https://www.facebook.com/LinuxUsersGroupOfDavis
  join the LUGOD group on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and find us on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 31 09:17:03 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:17:03 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday 5 January 2014
Message-ID: <52C2FC0F.7040203@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. at the
Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
last year  of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
    I have get a late issue of Linux Pro magazine and will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers