From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Jul  1 07:44:02 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 07:44:02 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday July 7, 2013
Message-ID: <51D195B2.7060009@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,
     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 4 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.
     Last week I downloaded and have written to DVD
the latest PCLinux OS version KDE Full Monty 2013.06 x86_64
processors.  This features kernel 3.4.49 and as much screen
ornaments as one could desire.  The basic setup involves
6 virtual desktops split between various activities.  I will
have the live version to demonstrate but I have to say the
demands of this Full Monty version tend to overheat my
machine.  Might demand less resources on a full install.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers

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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  2 22:37:39 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 22:37:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Jul 3 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1372829859.33036.YahooMailNeo@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From davidedmundson at kde.org  Thu Jul  4 08:13:21 2013
From: davidedmundson at kde.org (David Edmundson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:13:21 +0100
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetup request - KDE developers in the bay area mid October
Message-ID: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi SF Lug!

I am David Edmundson, a developer from the KDE Community.

A number of KDE developers are going to be in the San Francisco area
mid-October for a conference at Mountain View (18th-20th). We were
wondering if any fellow LUG users are interested in meeting up either
on the days before or after (i.e the 16th, 17th or 21st October). We
would also like to know if you are interested in helping us organise a
presentation on KDE at the Noisebridge hackerspace (or similar) to
talk about what KDE is, how to get involved, or some Qt/KDE features.

Best Regards,

David Edmundson and Aleix Pol



From samir at esamir.com  Fri Jul  5 16:51:19 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 16:51:19 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetup request - KDE developers in the bay area mid
	October
In-Reply-To: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ9hWE_jgfwi5xgnZYvbB_GHJCVLgODJKZdh4BOnjwreHw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not super active in sf-lug, though I'd love to see something along
those lines.

+1.




On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM, David Edmundson <davidedmundson at kde.org>wrote:

> Hi SF Lug!
>
> I am David Edmundson, a developer from the KDE Community.
>
> A number of KDE developers are going to be in the San Francisco area
> mid-October for a conference at Mountain View (18th-20th). We were
> wondering if any fellow LUG users are interested in meeting up either
> on the days before or after (i.e the 16th, 17th or 21st October). We
> would also like to know if you are interested in helping us organise a
> presentation on KDE at the Noisebridge hackerspace (or similar) to
> talk about what KDE is, how to get involved, or some Qt/KDE features.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> David Edmundson and Aleix Pol
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



-- 
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 17:00:04 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 17:00:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetup request - KDE developers in the bay area mid
 October
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ9hWE_jgfwi5xgnZYvbB_GHJCVLgODJKZdh4BOnjwreHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ9hWE_jgfwi5xgnZYvbB_GHJCVLgODJKZdh4BOnjwreHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D75E04.9000807@gmail.com>

I would suggest you join the Noisebridge mailing list and post this 
there. Other local hacker spaces include Ace Monster Toys, Hacker Dojo, 
and Hacker Moms.

On 07/05/2013 04:51 PM, Samir Faci wrote:
> I'm not super active in sf-lug, though I'd love to see something along
> those lines.
>
> +1.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM, David Edmundson <davidedmundson at kde.org>wrote:
>
>> Hi SF Lug!
>>
>> I am David Edmundson, a developer from the KDE Community.
>>
>> A number of KDE developers are going to be in the San Francisco area
>> mid-October for a conference at Mountain View (18th-20th). We were
>> wondering if any fellow LUG users are interested in meeting up either
>> on the days before or after (i.e the 16th, 17th or 21st October). We
>> would also like to know if you are interested in helping us organise a
>> presentation on KDE at the Noisebridge hackerspace (or similar) to
>> talk about what KDE is, how to get involved, or some Qt/KDE features.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> David Edmundson and Aleix Pol
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 17:18:06 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 17:18:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Re: Meetup request - KDE developers in the bay area
 mid October
In-Reply-To: <CAC-3WLp_xXoZt67jFxNfr43uyUbsUWK3sfDY7Skwes2CdETW=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-3WLp_xXoZt67jFxNfr43uyUbsUWK3sfDY7Skwes2CdETW=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D7623E.9060808@gmail.com>

jason asked me to forward this to the list:


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Meetup request - KDE developers in the bay area 
mid October
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 17:10:44 -0700
From: Jason Kirk <jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com>
To: Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com>

Anyone know exactly how to gain access to Noisebridge as their buzzer is
seemingly not working and someone changed the keypad codes? I want to go
again but don't want to stand downstairs waiting for someone who may never
come by to open the door.

I mention all this so as to forewarn members of any group (esp the tardy
ones) planning to meet there.
On Jul 5, 2013 5:02 PM, "Michael Shiloh" <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would suggest you join the Noisebridge mailing list and post this there.
> Other local hacker spaces include Ace Monster Toys, Hacker Dojo, and Hacker
> Moms.
>
> On 07/05/2013 04:51 PM, Samir Faci wrote:
>
>> I'm not super active in sf-lug, though I'd love to see something along
>> those lines.
>>
>> +1.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM, David Edmundson <davidedmundson at kde.org
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Hi SF Lug!
>>>
>>> I am David Edmundson, a developer from the KDE Community.
>>>
>>> A number of KDE developers are going to be in the San Francisco area
>>> mid-October for a conference at Mountain View (18th-20th). We were
>>> wondering if any fellow LUG users are interested in meeting up either
>>> on the days before or after (i.e the 16th, 17th or 21st October). We
>>> would also like to know if you are interested in helping us organise a
>>> presentation on KDE at the Noisebridge hackerspace (or similar) to
>>> talk about what KDE is, how to get involved, or some Qt/KDE features.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> David Edmundson and Aleix Pol
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/**listinfo/sf-lug<http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug>
>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/**listinfo/sf-lug<http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug>
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>>
> ______________________________**_________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/**listinfo/sf-lug<http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug>
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>






From maestro415 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 10:37:40 2013
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 10:37:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetup request - KDE developers in the bay area mid
	October
In-Reply-To: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2tf=XfxKNST2ggWbr0+s8rU4_oQ8p=ACjS+0t1zD+sERLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David;
Thanks for thinking of US and the proposals.

We have a regular Linux Discussion and meet-up every Wenesday from
18:00-20:00  @ Noisebridge and have the time alotted(reserved at the space)
on the recurring events calendar.

This would work perfectly for EVERYONE as I see by looking @ my calendar
the 16th of Oct. falls on a Wednesday.

So why don't we just go ahead and say "see you there" and save you the
trouble posting to Noisebridge lists et.al and as the time gets closer we
will post everything for you on/through the effective channels ;-)

Can't be much easier and synchronized than that...


message ends
_________________________________________________________________________________________

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM, David Edmundson <davidedmundson at kde.org>wrote:

> Hi SF Lug!
>
> I am David Edmundson, a developer from the KDE Community.
>
> A number of KDE developers are going to be in the San Francisco area
> mid-October for a conference at Mountain View (18th-20th). We were
> wondering if any fellow LUG users are interested in meeting up either
> on the days before or after (i.e the 16th, 17th or 21st October). We
> would also like to know if you are interested in helping us organise a
> presentation on KDE at the Noisebridge hackerspace (or similar) to
> talk about what KDE is, how to get involved, or some Qt/KDE features.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> David Edmundson and Aleix Pol
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



-- 

*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
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From john_re at fastmail.us  Sat Jul  6 20:01:27 2013
From: john_re at fastmail.us (giovanni_re)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 20:01:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetup request - KDE developers in the bay area mid
	October
In-Reply-To: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1373166087.31963.140661252691685.1F8A7978@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013, at 08:13 AM, David Edmundson wrote:

> I am David Edmundson, a developer from the KDE Community.
> 
> A number of KDE developers are going to be in the San Francisco area
> mid-October for a conference at Mountain View (18th-20th). 

What conference?  Got a URL?

Thanks :)

> Best Regards,
> 
> David Edmundson and Aleix Pol
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/

---  Join the BerkeleyTIP-Global mail list -   http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal. All Freedom SW, HW & Culture.




From maestro415 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 07:05:19 2013
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 07:05:19 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetup request - KDE developers in the bay area mid
	October
In-Reply-To: <CAC-3WLrhJg=BMEw-L4UuJ+a=GKf3oEyxunCxC4Ra5HbcC_SbHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANe-2tf=XfxKNST2ggWbr0+s8rU4_oQ8p=ACjS+0t1zD+sERLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC-3WLrhJg=BMEw-L4UuJ+a=GKf3oEyxunCxC4Ra5HbcC_SbHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2tdwSqVGPGrm5H3APbZK6cNOi+C17CE37LKPUT0F51d_uA@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/6/13, Jason Kirk <jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maestro,
> I am trying to get root access on my Android smartphone and I have to start
> SDK Manager, which I downloaded. So do I just open a terminal window inside
> the folder holding SDK and run "android"?
>
> These are the instructions I am following:


Jason,
On threads like this for SF-LUG it is best to keep the thread 'on
topic' of the original mail that started the thread and address (C/C)
the SF-LUG list as well.

Therefore I am moving your questions and putting them in another mail
to you which will hopefully help you.

I don't mind others sending me individual mail(s) from a thread but
others on the list ask that threads stay communal to benefit the
entire community which is great too. I hope you continue to post
questions to both to the list and to me (as an individual thread) and
don't mind me C/C'ing others that may have more knowledge and/or
better hacks for a given issue.

Best,

\m/





>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:37 PM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi David;
>> Thanks for thinking of US and the proposals.
>>
>> We have a regular Linux Discussion and meet-up every Wenesday from
>> 18:00-20:00  @ Noisebridge and have the time alotted(reserved at the
>> space)
>> on the recurring events calendar.
>>
>> This would work perfectly for EVERYONE as I see by looking @ my calendar
>> the 16th of Oct. falls on a Wednesday.
>>
>> So why don't we just go ahead and say "see you there" and save you the
>> trouble posting to Noisebridge lists et.al and as the time gets closer we
>> will post everything for you on/through the effective channels ;-)
>>
>> Can't be much easier and synchronized than that...
>>
>>
>> message ends
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM, David Edmundson
>> <davidedmundson at kde.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi SF Lug!
>>>
>>> I am David Edmundson, a developer from the KDE Community.
>>>
>>> A number of KDE developers are going to be in the San Francisco area
>>> mid-October for a conference at Mountain View (18th-20th). We were
>>> wondering if any fellow LUG users are interested in meeting up either
>>> on the days before or after (i.e the 16th, 17th or 21st October). We
>>> would also like to know if you are interested in helping us organise a
>>> presentation on KDE at the Noisebridge hackerspace (or similar) to
>>> talk about what KDE is, how to get involved, or some Qt/KDE features.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> David Edmundson and Aleix Pol
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>


-- 


*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Jul  7 18:48:04 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 18:48:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting today 7 July 2013
Message-ID: <51DA1A54.7040402@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,
I got to 26th and Geary about 1035.  Setup and everything worked
right away no problems with the WiFi.  As a matter of fact when I got home
I forgot to plug in my Ethernet cable and the computer picked up the WiFi
here and went right to work.

     Ken Schaeffer and wife showed up first, then Mike whom I had last
seen on the street years ago, Allen(sic) , Jim Stockford and Jason Kirk who
is having a problem with his Ubuntu installation on a Sony Vaio.
     We were not able to help Jason too much but he now has a distro
that can access his hard drive to move useful files onto an external HD,
     Ken has discovered that his MSI netbook is a bit fragile and has
lost his screen when it is in a readable position.   We attempted to get 
a new 8
Gigabyte Flash drive to boot.  In the meantime we tested other flash drives
with bootable material on them.
      Mike wants to do ARM development work and is even willing to work
from XP to do so.  I discussed shopping tactics for getting a freshly
refurbished notebook or laptop with Mike.
     Allan had some discussion with Ken and Jim that I largely missed,
but it seems he intends to get a Chromebook and install Ubuntu on it.

     I, for lack of anything better to do, loaded and ran a copy of PCLOS
KDE Full Monty 64 bit to show off what a tricked out version looks like.
It has as live default 6 virtual desktops linked to activities appropriate
for the named desktops, with special task bars and opened foldersfor the
less used tools. One each for Internet, Office, Games, Graphics, System
and Multimedia,  each with a special background to indicate the activity
for the desktop,  all with appropriate tools.  Actually the Office desktop
uses a line drawing of a ink pen quill tip.
The System desktop accesses various Benchmarking tools for example.
This is running a kernel 4.4.49bfs, the latest version of KDE (4.10.4)   &
LibreOffice 4.0.4.  For example the Task Bar at the bottom of the screen
cannot be removed though perhaps this is just for the Live version.
I am afraid I will have to do an installation to see if that last mentioned
matter is just on the Live CD or if future versions of KDE will continue 
this
  unhappy behavior.
     At 1 PM the meeting broke up and Jim gave myself and Jason rides to
our respective homes.  A nice ending to a good meeting of SF-LUG.

Thanks to anyone who pay attention to this little report and Thanks to
all those who attended and best of fortune with your projects.

     Bobbie Sellers
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Jul  8 11:17:41 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 11:17:41 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] F.Y.I.  - Knoppix 7.2.0 out!
Message-ID: <51DB0245.1050303@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers

     Well if you want to you can read about why it is 7.2.0 instead of 
7.1.0 just by searching
on the matter but 7.1 went to a magazine.
     So 7.2 is available at the URL below in several languages and 
several configurations.

<http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/>

Bobbie
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From davidedmundson at kde.org  Sat Jul  6 11:24:23 2013
From: davidedmundson at kde.org (David Edmundson)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 19:24:23 +0100
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetup request - KDE developers in the bay area mid
	October
In-Reply-To: <CANe-2tf=XfxKNST2ggWbr0+s8rU4_oQ8p=ACjS+0t1zD+sERLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeFrHAr8Pc0jzrXwx82iJKy7QvweMF1M7yN=HK1B=3s4AaQ0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANe-2tf=XfxKNST2ggWbr0+s8rU4_oQ8p=ACjS+0t1zD+sERLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeFrHAWLemMKEie5T8aPH4N93wGj23HoSB7Et7X2MgNuwTMGw@mail.gmail.com>

That sounds perfect.

It's great to have other Linux friends to meet up with no matter where you
go, plus it's always really interesting to find out what other Lugs are up
to.

Thanks again

See you then

David
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Jul  9 14:57:58 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 14:57:58 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] F.Y.I.  - Knoppix 7.2.0 out!
In-Reply-To: <51DB0245.1050303@dslextreme.com>
References: <51DB0245.1050303@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <51DC8766.6060504@dslextreme.com>

On 07/08/2013 11:17 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Hi LUGgers
>
>     Well if you want to you can read about why it is 7.2.0 instead of 
> 7.1.0 just by searching
> on the matter but 7.1 went to a magazine.
>     So 7.2 is available at the URL below in several languages and 
> several configurations.
>
> <http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/>
>
>     Bobbie

     Just thought I would let you guys know that this version of Knoppix 
features
  kernel 3.9.6-64 and  KDE 4.8..   I booted up and ran it yesteday 
afternoon.  The PKY flash
  drive worked fine with it.  Then i got the PCLOS Full Monty 2013.06 
onto the old Cruzer
flash drive  formerly occupied by Knoppix 7.0.5.

     Bobbie Sellers


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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 10 11:44:57 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Jul 10 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1373481897.20407.YahooMailNeo@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Jul 10 12:48:05 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:48:05 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting next Monday July 15,,2013
Message-ID: <51DDBA75.2010103@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.  People who just want to find out more about the meeting
and the SF-LUG group are entirely welcome.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

     I may be a little late depending on the circumstances following an
afternoon appointment.
     I have gotten the latest Knoppix 7.2 on flash drive and on DVD
as well as PCOS KDE FullMonty for the 64 bit and will happily show
off both to interested parties attending.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From nbs at sonic.net  Wed Jul 10 22:03:36 2013
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 22:03:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	July 15: "Mini topics" (presenters welcome)
Message-ID: <201307110503.r6B53ap4010517@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  July 15, 2013
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:
  Mini topics
  by Various LUGOD members

  LUGOD is calling for mini presentations at our July meeting.
  The format is 15 minute talk, and 15 minute Q&A.  If you'd like
  to present, please email Bill Kendrick <root at lugod.org>, or post
  a message to the club's 'vox' mailing list.

  Lined up so far (as of July 10th):
    * Remote execution and automated deployments with SaltStack
    * Code reuse and confident code with advanced type systems
    * How to write native web service API wrappers


This meeting will be held at:

  Davis Public Library
  Blanchard meeting room
  315 East 14th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

or simply:

  http://www.lugod.org/ (and follow the links)


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can find LUGOD on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Fri Jul 12 06:38:39 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 06:38:39 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2013-07-16 Linux & Virtual Machines, etc. -
	Michael	Paoli; & other BALUG items
Message-ID: <20130712063839.979956kvb7c7gy04@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG Tu 2013-07-16 Linux & Virtual Machines, etc. - Michael Paoli; &  
other BALUG items

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-07-16: BALUG: Linux & Virtual Machines, etc. - Michael Paoli
Books!, CDs/DVDs/ISOs, and other "door prizes", etc.
Debian meeting, 20th birthday/anniversary celebration (and fundraiser)  
2013-08-14
volunteering to help BALUG
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-07-16 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:
Linux & Virtual Machines, etc. - Michael Paoli

Michael Paoli will be giving presentation and demonstration of virtual  
machine (VM) technologies.  This will include information on and  
demonstrations with qemu-kvm[1], qemu[2], libvirt[3] and  
VirtualBox[4], and also information on Xen[5], VMware[6] and  
additional virtualization technologies and possibly additional  
demonstration bits.

Michael Paoli has been administering virtual machines on Linux for over
5 years, including VMware, Xen, KVM/qemu-kvm/QEMU and VirtualBox, and
has used virtual machine technologies and virtual technologies many
additional years.  He's been administering Linux for 15 years, Unix for
over a quarter century, and first used Unix about a third of a century
ago.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qemu
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libvirt
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox
6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen
7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vmware


So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, July 16th, 2013 2013-07-16

                        Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
              cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
              family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
              also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping
              to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

Books!, CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the BALUG meeting (at least the following):

Books!:
Nagios: Building Enterprise-Grade Monitoring Infrastructures for   
Systems and Networks, 2nd Edition
MySQL, 5th Edition
Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment, 3rd Edition
Oracle Solaris 11 System Administration
Thanks to Pearson's User Group program for providing these review
copies.  Details on these books, please see:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-July/005034.html

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

We typically also have at least a few other items up for grabs.

------------------------------

Debian - meeting, 20th birthday/anniversary celebration (and fundraiser)
at the next Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting 2013-08-14, see:
http://bad.debian.net/list/2013-July/003558.html

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Jul 15 06:53:12 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:53:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] REMINDER: BALUG TOMORROW: Tu 2013-07-16 Linux & Virtual
	Machines,	etc. - Michael Paoli; & other BALUG items
Message-ID: <20130715065312.69171uhmc9bd9fb4@webmail.rawbw.com>

REMINDER: BALUG TOMORROW: Tu 2013-07-16 Linux & Virtual Machines, etc.  
- Michael Paoli; & other BALUG items

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-07-16: BALUG: Linux & Virtual Machines, etc. - Michael Paoli
Books!, CDs/DVDs/ISOs, and other "door prizes", etc.
Debian meeting, 20th birthday/anniversary celebration (and fundraiser)  
2013-08-14
volunteering to help BALUG
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-07-16 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:
Linux & Virtual Machines, etc. - Michael Paoli

Michael Paoli will be giving presentation and demonstration of virtual  
machine (VM) technologies.  This will include information on and  
demonstrations with qemu-kvm[1], qemu[2], libvirt[3] and  
VirtualBox[4], and also information on Xen[5], VMware[6] and  
additional virtualization technologies and possibly additional  
demonstration bits.

Michael Paoli has been administering virtual machines on Linux for over
5 years, including VMware, Xen, KVM/qemu-kvm/QEMU and VirtualBox, and
has used virtual machine technologies and virtual technologies many
additional years.  He's been administering Linux for 15 years, Unix for
over a quarter century, and first used Unix about a third of a century
ago.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qemu
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libvirt
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox
6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen
7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vmware


So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, July 16th, 2013 2013-07-16

                        Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
              cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
              family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
              also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping
              to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

Books!, CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the BALUG meeting (at least the following):

Books!:
Nagios: Building Enterprise-Grade Monitoring Infrastructures for   
Systems and Networks, 2nd Edition
MySQL, 5th Edition
Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment, 3rd Edition
Oracle Solaris 11 System Administration
Thanks to Pearson's User Group program for providing these review
copies.  Details on these books, please see:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-July/005034.html
Pearson User Group member page (member discounts: 35% off print, 45%  
off eBook):
http://www.informit.com/usergroupwelcome

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

We typically also have at least a few other items up for grabs.

------------------------------

Debian - meeting, 20th birthday/anniversary celebration (and fundraiser)
at the next Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting 2013-08-14, see:
http://bad.debian.net/list/2013-July/003558.html

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 16 10:54:36 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:54:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Jul 17 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1373997276.81523.YahooMailNeo@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Jul 20 09:49:26 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:49:26 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting of Monday July 15.
Message-ID: <51EABF96.5090900@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

     Well this was a small but intense meeting.
     First of all the Cafe Enchante was exceptionally crowdedand I had 
to wait to find
  a single table.  Shortly I was joined by Maestro who was having 
problems with his
  WiFi.
      By the way Jim Stockford was too sick to come to the meeting and 
it may be that his health problems have continued.
     Maestro worked on his WiFi problems and by the end of the meeting 
had been forced to switch to the dark side of his dual boot installation 
to seek pages showing the configuration data for his system.  This let 
him get on line but his WiFi could not stay up and he is using 
CrunchBang.  I find the system as he was running it a bit difficult to
deal with.
     Eric showed up as well and was interested in the Linux Pro magazine 
which I had brought to the meeting.
     No one was interested in the extravagant graphics of the PCLinux 
KDE 64 bit Full Monte system which I had managed to get on a flash drive.

To sum it up then:
Maestro and Eric attended, Jim Stockford illing, so he be chillin!
  Maestro having problems with WiFi now connecting and otherwise.
  Eric having back pain.
     2000 home again via the #38 bus.

Next meeting is on August 4.  I plan to be there with my Asus TF 700 tablet
which is of course running Android Linux on kernel 2.4 or so.  I may not 
be bringing
my notebook as hauling it on and off the bus twice in an evening is 
getting old (like me).  By the way I am using this notebook now in 
preference to the tablet which
has interesting tools but so far does not seem to be able to open a text 
file.  Plays
my video animes very nicely with Joe's VLC.
John S.'s pal with the Raspberry Pi intends to bring it along to this 
meeting and
demonstrate its utility.

Regular announcement of the next meeting will be posted here a week from 
Monday22 July.

All are having a good summer, I trust.

Bobbie Sellers


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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 23 21:56:24 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:56:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Jul 24 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1374641784.75404.YahooMailNeo@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 05:59:29 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:59:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Ubuntu cellphone indiegogo project
In-Reply-To: <CAHAFOD-bc1_oKp9VV89k6tuA5W6U_uSQ01aRZz1XCVxUG4sutQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHAFOD-bc1_oKp9VV89k6tuA5W6U_uSQ01aRZz1XCVxUG4sutQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51EFCFB1.3090700@gmail.com>




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Ubuntu Edge
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:11:09 +0300
From: Udi Finkelstein <Linux-IL at udif.com>
To: linux-il <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>

Those of you who wants a Linux phone should take a look at this:

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge/x/4047953?c=home

They just opened new perks at lower prices (limited to 1250 units each) at
$625, $675 and $725.
Each price tier is limited to 1250 phones, and they run out quickly. They
sold more than 100 phones over the past hour in the $625 price tier.

Earlier (2 days ago) they started their campaign with 5000 units at $600
for one day only, and it sold out before the end of the day (I ordered one).

This is by far the most ambitious crowd funded project I have seen (target
is $32M in ~30 days, they are now at $3.7M with 29 days left).

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From jim at systemateka.com  Wed Jul 24 18:49:44 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:49:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] evolution problem on ubuntu 12.04.2
Message-ID: <1374716984.2610.9.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    Yesterday I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 
Ubuntu 12.04.2 and have problems. 
    Most important to me is my email. On the 
10.04 host I had about 7GB in a fairly complex 
directory tree. On the 12.04 host Evolution 
presents my email in the directories I recall, 
but it reports an error every time I send email: 

Failed to append to
mbox:///home/jim/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent: Invalid folder
URI 'mbox:///home/jim/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent'
Appending to local 'Sent' folder instead.

    This is unnerving. Can anyone explain or 
offer other comfort? 


    Also, after I clicked the Send button to 
send this email the system presented an Error 
panel saying 

An error occurred while sending. How do you want to proceed? 
The reporrted error was "MAIL FROM command failed: Connection reset by
peer" 
[ Continue Editing ]  [ Save to Outbox ]  [ Try Again ] 

    I'm hoping for clarification, understanding, 
and remedy. 











From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Jul 24 19:07:55 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:07:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] evolution problem on ubuntu 12.04.2
In-Reply-To: <1374716984.2610.9.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1374716984.2610.9.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20130725020755.GV11744@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at systemateka.com):

> 
> 
>     Yesterday I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 
> Ubuntu 12.04.2 and have problems. 
>     Most important to me is my email. On the 
> 10.04 host I had about 7GB in a fairly complex 
> directory tree. On the 12.04 host Evolution 
> presents my email in the directories I recall, 
> but it reports an error every time I send email: 
> 
> Failed to append to
> mbox:///home/jim/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent: Invalid folder

Looked for that on the Evolution FAQ, and lo!

https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Error_message_.22Failed_to_append_to....22_after_sending_message

  Error message "Failed to append to..." after sending message

  If the error message "Your message was sent, but an error occurred
  during post-processing. The reported error was "Failed to append to
  mbox:///home/user/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent: Cannot get
  folder 'Sent': folder does not exist. Appending to local 'Sent' folder
  instead."." is shown, you can fix the problem by editing your default
  folder settings:

  Edit > Preferences > Mail Accounts > Edit > Defaults > Folder for sent
  messages.

  This bug is fixed in Evolution versions higher than 3.0.2 (stable
  series) and 3.1.3 (unstable development series). If this is not the
  case, please add a comment to the corresponding bug report. 

That's a bit vague, but probably means that Evolution has misremembered
the correct directory path or something like that.



Also:

At the command line, go to ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local ahd look
around.  According to
https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Where_does_Evolution_store_my_data.3F
, Evolution should have a bunch of subdirs under
~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local .  Each such subdir is parsed as an 
Evolution 'folder' of the same name.  There should be in each subdir a
number of mail-metadata files and one big ASCII file named the same as
the subdir itself.

So, for example, if there's supposed to be an Evolution 'folder' called
Sent, then there should be a ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/Sent/
subdir, containing:

Sent
Sent.cmeta
Sent.ev-summary
Sent.ev-summary-meta
Sent.ibex.index
Sent.ibex.index.data
Sent.sbd

In that example, file 'Sent' would be the mbox file.  You could check
that by looking at it using the mutt mailer (but quit Evolution first),
opened read-only, to see if it's a valid mbox:

mutt -R -f ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/Sent/Sent

That is often my first concern:  Making sure all the mbox data are still
there.  (That and your address box are the crown jewels.  Anything else
can be thrown away and rebuilt.)  In fact, were it I, I'd make a safety
backup of those.




From jim at systemateka.com  Wed Jul 24 19:08:08 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:08:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] evolution problem--Error messages for sending email --
	possible fix
Message-ID: <1374718088.2610.15.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    turns out the upgrade process did not 
populate the data for Drafts and Sent 
locations. 
    The solution may be (I'll see) to 
Edit > Preferences > User Accounts > 
<pick_a_user_account>, click Edit, in the 
"panel" and choose the Defaults tab and 
use the pulldown lists for Drafts and 
Sent and choose whatever seems the best 
file location. 
    I'm hoping as I click the Send button. 






From jim at well.com  Wed Jul 24 19:20:48 2013
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:20:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] evolution problem on ubuntu 12.04.2
In-Reply-To: <20130725020755.GV11744@linuxmafia.com>
References: <1374716984.2610.9.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<20130725020755.GV11744@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <1374718848.2610.20.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



Thank you, Rick. I'm sitting here at Noisebridge 
(for the Wednesday evening 6 to 8 PM Linux 
Discussion Group). Maestro found some different 
page that had the same info. God bless you both. 
More thanks, 
jim 



On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 19:07 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at systemateka.com):
> 
> > 
> > 
> >     Yesterday I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 
> > Ubuntu 12.04.2 and have problems. 
> >     Most important to me is my email. On the 
> > 10.04 host I had about 7GB in a fairly complex 
> > directory tree. On the 12.04 host Evolution 
> > presents my email in the directories I recall, 
> > but it reports an error every time I send email: 
> > 
> > Failed to append to
> > mbox:///home/jim/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent: Invalid folder
> 
> Looked for that on the Evolution FAQ, and lo!
> 
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Error_message_.22Failed_to_append_to....22_after_sending_message
> 
>   Error message "Failed to append to..." after sending message
> 
>   If the error message "Your message was sent, but an error occurred
>   during post-processing. The reported error was "Failed to append to
>   mbox:///home/user/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent: Cannot get
>   folder 'Sent': folder does not exist. Appending to local 'Sent' folder
>   instead."." is shown, you can fix the problem by editing your default
>   folder settings:
> 
>   Edit > Preferences > Mail Accounts > Edit > Defaults > Folder for sent
>   messages.
> 
>   This bug is fixed in Evolution versions higher than 3.0.2 (stable
>   series) and 3.1.3 (unstable development series). If this is not the
>   case, please add a comment to the corresponding bug report. 
> 
> That's a bit vague, but probably means that Evolution has misremembered
> the correct directory path or something like that.
> 
> 
> 
> Also:
> 
> At the command line, go to ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local ahd look
> around.  According to
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Where_does_Evolution_store_my_data.3F
> , Evolution should have a bunch of subdirs under
> ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local .  Each such subdir is parsed as an 
> Evolution 'folder' of the same name.  There should be in each subdir a
> number of mail-metadata files and one big ASCII file named the same as
> the subdir itself.
> 
> So, for example, if there's supposed to be an Evolution 'folder' called
> Sent, then there should be a ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/Sent/
> subdir, containing:
> 
> Sent
> Sent.cmeta
> Sent.ev-summary
> Sent.ev-summary-meta
> Sent.ibex.index
> Sent.ibex.index.data
> Sent.sbd
> 
> In that example, file 'Sent' would be the mbox file.  You could check
> that by looking at it using the mutt mailer (but quit Evolution first),
> opened read-only, to see if it's a valid mbox:
> 
> mutt -R -f ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/Sent/Sent
> 
> That is often my first concern:  Making sure all the mbox data are still
> there.  (That and your address box are the crown jewels.  Anything else
> can be thrown away and rebuilt.)  In fact, were it I, I'd make a safety
> backup of those.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/





From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 09:39:16 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:39:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] evolution problem on ubuntu 12.04.2
In-Reply-To: <1374718848.2610.20.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1374716984.2610.9.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
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Message-ID: <CAAMNwFFBcGgqdbaCiawWeUOsSzdG+VxB4oK-sa6OXdJUpqNiYw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim, my 12.04.2 evolution 3.2.3 has a slightly different structure.  The
path to my mail files is not ...local, but ...local_mbox,
and no further subdirectories are present, just the files.  Of course,
maybe something I did in the past to change things, but
looks like you bumped into some old documentation.  (...local is present,
but contains other stuff, mail files eventually, but not in
folders like "Sent" , but "cur", "new", and "tmp").

.local/share/evolution/mail/local_mbox
Sent
Sent.cmeta
Sent.ibex.index
Sent.ibex.index.data

Good Luck
Ken



On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:20 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>
> Thank you, Rick. I'm sitting here at Noisebridge
> (for the Wednesday evening 6 to 8 PM Linux
> Discussion Group). Maestro found some different
> page that had the same info. God bless you both.
> More thanks,
> jim
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 19:07 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at systemateka.com):
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >     Yesterday I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to
> > > Ubuntu 12.04.2 and have problems.
> > >     Most important to me is my email. On the
> > > 10.04 host I had about 7GB in a fairly complex
> > > directory tree. On the 12.04 host Evolution
> > > presents my email in the directories I recall,
> > > but it reports an error every time I send email:
> > >
> > > Failed to append to
> > > mbox:///home/jim/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent: Invalid folder
> >
> > Looked for that on the Evolution FAQ, and lo!
> >
> >
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Error_message_.22Failed_to_append_to....22_after_sending_message
> >
> >   Error message "Failed to append to..." after sending message
> >
> >   If the error message "Your message was sent, but an error occurred
> >   during post-processing. The reported error was "Failed to append to
> >   mbox:///home/user/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent: Cannot get
> >   folder 'Sent': folder does not exist. Appending to local 'Sent' folder
> >   instead."." is shown, you can fix the problem by editing your default
> >   folder settings:
> >
> >   Edit > Preferences > Mail Accounts > Edit > Defaults > Folder for sent
> >   messages.
> >
> >   This bug is fixed in Evolution versions higher than 3.0.2 (stable
> >   series) and 3.1.3 (unstable development series). If this is not the
> >   case, please add a comment to the corresponding bug report.
> >
> > That's a bit vague, but probably means that Evolution has misremembered
> > the correct directory path or something like that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also:
> >
> > At the command line, go to ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local ahd look
> > around.  According to
> >
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Where_does_Evolution_store_my_data.3F
> > , Evolution should have a bunch of subdirs under
> > ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local .  Each such subdir is parsed as an
> > Evolution 'folder' of the same name.  There should be in each subdir a
> > number of mail-metadata files and one big ASCII file named the same as
> > the subdir itself.
> >
> > So, for example, if there's supposed to be an Evolution 'folder' called
> > Sent, then there should be a ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/Sent/
> > subdir, containing:
> >
> > Sent
> > Sent.cmeta
> > Sent.ev-summary
> > Sent.ev-summary-meta
> > Sent.ibex.index
> > Sent.ibex.index.data
> > Sent.sbd
> >
> > In that example, file 'Sent' would be the mbox file.  You could check
> > that by looking at it using the mutt mailer (but quit Evolution first),
> > opened read-only, to see if it's a valid mbox:
> >
> > mutt -R -f ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/Sent/Sent
> >
> > That is often my first concern:  Making sure all the mbox data are still
> > there.  (That and your address box are the crown jewels.  Anything else
> > can be thrown away and rebuilt.)  In fact, were it I, I'd make a safety
> > backup of those.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sf-lug mailing list
> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
>
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Jul 25 11:03:29 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:03:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] evolution problem on ubuntu 12.04.2
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFFBcGgqdbaCiawWeUOsSzdG+VxB4oK-sa6OXdJUpqNiYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1374716984.2610.9.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<20130725020755.GV11744@linuxmafia.com>
	<1374718848.2610.20.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAAMNwFFBcGgqdbaCiawWeUOsSzdG+VxB4oK-sa6OXdJUpqNiYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130725180329.GX26066@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Ken Shaffer (kenshaffer80 at gmail.com):

> Jim, my 12.04.2 evolution 3.2.3 has a slightly different structure.  The
> path to my mail files is not ...local, but ...local_mbox,
> and no further subdirectories are present, just the files.  Of course,
> maybe something I did in the past to change things, but
> looks like you bumped into some old documentation.  (...local is present,
> but contains other stuff, mail files eventually, but not in
> folders like "Sent" , but "cur", "new", and "tmp").
> 
> .local/share/evolution/mail/local_mbox
> Sent
> Sent.cmeta
> Sent.ibex.index
> Sent.ibex.index.data

In any event, the fact that Evolution relies on mbox files for mail
storage is good news:  That means that, even if Evolution loses track of
where they are or are named, or if the indexes get corrupted, you can
always recover.  (That's why I stressed that, when in doubt, go find the
mbox files, make sure they're still intact, and make a backup copy for
safekeeping.)

I've used a number of MUAs (mail user agents) over the years that
back-end into mbox files, and they share a family likeness in their
behaviour and problems.  Eudora and Mozilla Thunderbird are examples: 
MUAs relying on mbox files build and use hashed indexes for them for speed
purposes, and sometimes those indexes go bad for a variety of reasons
including the filesystem being full.  In every case, there's a mechanism
to rebuild the indexes and some way to find/point to mbox files.




From jim at well.com  Thu Jul 25 22:50:07 2013
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:50:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] evolution problem on ubuntu 12.04.2
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFFBcGgqdbaCiawWeUOsSzdG+VxB4oK-sa6OXdJUpqNiYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1374716984.2610.9.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<20130725020755.GV11744@linuxmafia.com>
	<1374718848.2610.20.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAAMNwFFBcGgqdbaCiawWeUOsSzdG+VxB4oK-sa6OXdJUpqNiYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1374817807.3939.11.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    I've used Evolution's New Folder feature 
to create an ornate directory tree to classify 
my various emails. Under /home/.../local_mbox/ 
I see the Inbox.sbd/ and my own Z.sbd/ (below 
which is my ornate tree). 
    At this point, panic and fear had blasted 
away at least my confidence in recollecting 
the structure I had using the 10.04 system. 

    My thanks to you and Rick and Maestro and 
Bobbie.... 




On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 09:39 -0700, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> Jim, my 12.04.2 evolution 3.2.3 has a slightly different structure.
> The path to my mail files is not ...local, but ...local_mbox,
> 
> and no further subdirectories are present, just the files.  Of course,
> maybe something I did in the past to change things, but 
> 
> looks like you bumped into some old documentation.  (...local is
> present, but contains other stuff, mail files eventually, but not in
> 
> folders like "Sent" , but "cur", "new", and "tmp").
> 
> 
> .local/share/evolution/mail/local_mbox
> Sent
> Sent.cmeta
> Sent.ibex.index
> Sent.ibex.index.data
> 
> 
> Good Luck
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:20 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>         
>         
>         Thank you, Rick. I'm sitting here at Noisebridge
>         (for the Wednesday evening 6 to 8 PM Linux
>         Discussion Group). Maestro found some different
>         page that had the same info. God bless you both.
>         More thanks,
>         jim
>         
>         
>         
>         On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 19:07 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>         > Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at systemateka.com):
>         >
>         > >
>         > >
>         > >     Yesterday I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to
>         > > Ubuntu 12.04.2 and have problems.
>         > >     Most important to me is my email. On the
>         > > 10.04 host I had about 7GB in a fairly complex
>         > > directory tree. On the 12.04 host Evolution
>         > > presents my email in the directories I recall,
>         > > but it reports an error every time I send email:
>         > >
>         > > Failed to append to
>         > > mbox:///home/jim/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent:
>         Invalid folder
>         >
>         > Looked for that on the Evolution FAQ, and lo!
>         >
>         >
>         https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Error_message_.22Failed_to_append_to....22_after_sending_message
>         >
>         >   Error message "Failed to append to..." after sending
>         message
>         >
>         >   If the error message "Your message was sent, but an error
>         occurred
>         >   during post-processing. The reported error was "Failed to
>         append to
>         >   mbox:///home/user/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent:
>         Cannot get
>         >   folder 'Sent': folder does not exist. Appending to local
>         'Sent' folder
>         >   instead."." is shown, you can fix the problem by editing
>         your default
>         >   folder settings:
>         >
>         >   Edit > Preferences > Mail Accounts > Edit > Defaults >
>         Folder for sent
>         >   messages.
>         >
>         >   This bug is fixed in Evolution versions higher than 3.0.2
>         (stable
>         >   series) and 3.1.3 (unstable development series). If this
>         is not the
>         >   case, please add a comment to the corresponding bug
>         report.
>         >
>         > That's a bit vague, but probably means that Evolution has
>         misremembered
>         > the correct directory path or something like that.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > Also:
>         >
>         > At the command line, go to
>         ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local ahd look
>         > around.  According to
>         >
>         https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Where_does_Evolution_store_my_data.3F
>         > , Evolution should have a bunch of subdirs under
>         > ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local .  Each such subdir is
>         parsed as an
>         > Evolution 'folder' of the same name.  There should be in
>         each subdir a
>         > number of mail-metadata files and one big ASCII file named
>         the same as
>         > the subdir itself.
>         >
>         > So, for example, if there's supposed to be an Evolution
>         'folder' called
>         > Sent, then there should be a
>         ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/Sent/
>         > subdir, containing:
>         >
>         > Sent
>         > Sent.cmeta
>         > Sent.ev-summary
>         > Sent.ev-summary-meta
>         > Sent.ibex.index
>         > Sent.ibex.index.data
>         > Sent.sbd
>         >
>         > In that example, file 'Sent' would be the mbox file.  You
>         could check
>         > that by looking at it using the mutt mailer (but quit
>         Evolution first),
>         > opened read-only, to see if it's a valid mbox:
>         >
>         > mutt -R -f ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/Sent/Sent
>         >
>         > That is often my first concern:  Making sure all the mbox
>         data are still
>         > there.  (That and your address box are the crown jewels.
>          Anything else
>         > can be thrown away and rebuilt.)  In fact, were it I, I'd
>         make a safety
>         > backup of those.
>         >
>         >
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > sf-lug mailing list
>         > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>         > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>         > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>         
>         
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         sf-lug mailing list
>         sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>         http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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>         
> 
> 





From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 11:44:04 2013
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 11:44:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] chromebook recommendations
Message-ID: <CAJdae4orPFKX9E7dcHfBDznNo0vK-ke_U4ogxR47o5R7bwMXHw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

An elderly neighbor of mine likes Linux, but is interested in a
Chromebook because she does not want any responsibility at all for sys
admining her machine at all.  She nedds a computer that is basically
an appliance.  A wide screen would be a big plus.  Any
recommendations?  Thx.
-- 
Christian Einfeldt



From mhigashi at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 16:51:43 2013
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:51:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] chromebook recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4orPFKX9E7dcHfBDznNo0vK-ke_U4ogxR47o5R7bwMXHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4orPFKX9E7dcHfBDznNo0vK-ke_U4ogxR47o5R7bwMXHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADsu0t_pAn9OVYzeQNypLX8Q=d27mVMGpvCQ+E9N17Ords323Q@mail.gmail.com>

AFAIK, Chromebooks (excluding the high-res Chromebook Pixel) are
aimed at the low-cost netbook market, so most have a small form factor
similar to netbooks.  The biggest is HP's 14-inch.

If your neighbor doesn't need something portable, how about a Chromebox
instead of a Chromebook?  Hook it up to any screen your neighbor wants to use.

https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebox.html


Mike


On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> An elderly neighbor of mine likes Linux, but is interested in a
> Chromebook because she does not want any responsibility at all for sys
> admining her machine at all.  She nedds a computer that is basically
> an appliance.  A wide screen would be a big plus.  Any
> recommendations?  Thx.
> --
> Christian Einfeldt
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From kai.salmon.chang at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 17:22:46 2013
From: kai.salmon.chang at gmail.com (Kai Chang)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 17:22:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] chromebook recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CADsu0t_pAn9OVYzeQNypLX8Q=d27mVMGpvCQ+E9N17Ords323Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4orPFKX9E7dcHfBDznNo0vK-ke_U4ogxR47o5R7bwMXHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADsu0t_pAn9OVYzeQNypLX8Q=d27mVMGpvCQ+E9N17Ords323Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANAA+n-8pVY+CTzQgh1d=ow2KL_uMjBw+C8qgAZtY4-TGcambw@mail.gmail.com>

What about tablets?

For the same price as a Chromebook, you could get a Kindle Fire HD 8.9"
which will have a better screen/audio. Much better for watching movies and
reading, but less usable for email with a bluetooth keyboard.


On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Mike Higashi <mhigashi at gmail.com> wrote:

> AFAIK, Chromebooks (excluding the high-res Chromebook Pixel) are
> aimed at the low-cost netbook market, so most have a small form factor
> similar to netbooks.  The biggest is HP's 14-inch.
>
> If your neighbor doesn't need something portable, how about a Chromebox
> instead of a Chromebook?  Hook it up to any screen your neighbor wants to
> use.
>
> https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebox.html
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > An elderly neighbor of mine likes Linux, but is interested in a
> > Chromebook because she does not want any responsibility at all for sys
> > admining her machine at all.  She nedds a computer that is basically
> > an appliance.  A wide screen would be a big plus.  Any
> > recommendations?  Thx.
> > --
> > Christian Einfeldt
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sf-lug mailing list
> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Jul 29 08:42:28 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:42:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday August 4, 2013
Message-ID: <51F68D64.5040408@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     Emilio Milian will be giving a demonstration of the Raspberry Pi
computer at the this  meeting.  Emilio has many years experience
both teaching and as a hobbyist.

Bring along your questions and maybe learn a thing or two.
As always, the format is very informal

     I will be bringing along my new tablet/laptop the Asus Transformer
Pad TF700 which is Android/Linux to demonstrate (and show off of course).
  Because of this if anyone needs a copy of Knoppix or other tool let me 
know
in advance as the TF700 does not yet have DVD R/W capability

     I was able to get a fresh release of Linux Pro magazine issue 153,
  dated August 2013.  The included DVD is two-sided with LinuxMint 15+
"Olivia" Cinnnamon edition and GNU/Linux Debian 7 "Wheezy".
Featured Articles on Search Tools, Behind the scenes at the Angry Birds
e-commerce site, Alice a new tool for building animations, and a lot of
other interesting articles.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers

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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 10:55:50 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:55:50 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] has ubuntu caused me to regress in wifi features?
Message-ID: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com>

I'm pretty sure that a couple of years ago, using this very same laptop 
(Thinkpad T61p), i was able to create a wifi access point. I was using 
Ubuntu.

Now I'm using Xubuntu and I can't create an AP. At first I thought it 
was due to Xubuntu, but now I'm convinced my wifi driver has regressed.

My driver is iwlegacy, which does not support Master mode. I found some 
posts which suggest that Master mode was removed, or that a different 
driver might support Master mode. But I couldn't nail down the details, 
and experimentation failed to get me Master mode.

Any ideas?

Michael

P.s. It's slightly possible that this was a good few years ago and I was 
using a different laptop, but I really don't think so.



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul 29 10:59:48 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:59:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] has ubuntu caused me to regress in wifi features?
In-Reply-To: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com>
References: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130729175948.GH20726@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):

> (Thinkpad T61p)

What's the wireless chip?  And the driver?




From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 11:09:30 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:09:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] has ubuntu caused me to regress in wifi features?
In-Reply-To: <20130729175948.GH20726@linuxmafia.com>
References: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com> <20130729175948.GH20726@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <51F6AFDA.2010109@gmail.com>

Sorry!

Selected output from lshw:

wireless chip: PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection
configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwl4965
driverversion=3.8.0-26-generic firmware=228.61.2.24 latency=0 link=no 
multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11abgn



Output from lsmod | grep 802:

mac80211              606457  2 iwl4965,iwlegacy
cfg80211              510937  3 iwl4965,iwlegacy,mac80211

I'm a little confused as to the role of iwl4965 and iwlegacy. I thought 
they were both drivers. Why do I have both?


Thanks,
Michael




On 07/29/2013 10:59 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):
>
>> (Thinkpad T61p)
>
> What's the wireless chip?  And the driver?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Michael Shiloh	
teachmetomake.com/wordpress
KA6RCQ									

Educational Materials coordinator at Arduino.cc
Electronics, Robotics, Digital Fabrication, and Arduino educator
California College of the Arts
San Francisco Art Institute
San Francisco State University




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul 29 11:38:19 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:38:19 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] has ubuntu caused me to regress in wifi features?
In-Reply-To: <51F6AFDA.2010109@gmail.com>
References: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com> <20130729175948.GH20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6AFDA.2010109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130729183819.GI20726@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):

> Sorry!

No problem.  I figured it'd be easiest to ask, because the T61p came
with any of four different wireless cards in its PCIE slot.

> I'm a little confused as to the role of iwl4965 and iwlegacy. I
> thought they were both drivers. Why do I have both?

Quoting:

    iwl3945 and iwl4965 are modules produced by the iwlegacy Linux
    kernel driver, supporting Intel 3945ABG/BG and 4965AGN wireless LAN
    devices. These devices were formerly supported by the iwlwifi driver
    (iwl3945 and iwlagn modules) until Linux 2.6.3

That's from http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy .

http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlegacy doesn't list AP
Infrastructure mode (what you were calling Master mode as among the
capabilities of these Intel chips with these drivers.  My _recollection_
is that the Intel chips never supported AP Infrastructure mode, only
Station (client) and Ad-Hoc modes.  I could be wrong, but I distinctly
remember that AP Infrastructure mode is one reason some people favoured
Atheros-based chips over Intel ones at the time.




From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 16:13:45 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:13:45 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] has ubuntu caused me to regress in wifi features?
In-Reply-To: <20130729183819.GI20726@linuxmafia.com>
References: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com> <20130729175948.GH20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6AFDA.2010109@gmail.com>
	<20130729183819.GI20726@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <51F6F729.5060305@gmail.com>

According to downloadcenter.intel.com (search for drivers and linux):

http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi

is good for Intel? Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN

The download is dated 5/31/2013 which is quite recent


HOWEVER


http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi says that

iwlwifi is the wireless driver for Intel's current wireless chips. For 
older chips, ...  iwlegacy (for Intel? PRO/Wireless 3945ABG and Intel? 
Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN)

and as you point out, has been so since Linux 2.6.3 which is way before 
the date of the Intel download link above.

I'm very confused.


I could try to uninstall the iwlegacy package and install the iwlwifi 
package and see what happens.

On 07/29/2013 11:38 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):
>
>> Sorry!
>
> No problem.  I figured it'd be easiest to ask, because the T61p came
> with any of four different wireless cards in its PCIE slot.
>
>> I'm a little confused as to the role of iwl4965 and iwlegacy. I
>> thought they were both drivers. Why do I have both?
>
> Quoting:
>
>      iwl3945 and iwl4965 are modules produced by the iwlegacy Linux
>      kernel driver, supporting Intel 3945ABG/BG and 4965AGN wireless LAN
>      devices. These devices were formerly supported by the iwlwifi driver
>      (iwl3945 and iwlagn modules) until Linux 2.6.3
>
> That's from http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy .
>
> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlegacy doesn't list AP
> Infrastructure mode (what you were calling Master mode as among the
> capabilities of these Intel chips with these drivers.  My _recollection_
> is that the Intel chips never supported AP Infrastructure mode, only
> Station (client) and Ad-Hoc modes.  I could be wrong, but I distinctly
> remember that AP Infrastructure mode is one reason some people favoured
> Atheros-based chips over Intel ones at the time.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>

-- 
Michael Shiloh	
teachmetomake.com/wordpress
KA6RCQ									

Educational Materials coordinator at Arduino.cc
Electronics, Robotics, Digital Fabrication, and Arduino educator
California College of the Arts
San Francisco Art Institute
San Francisco State University




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Jul 29 16:41:17 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:41:17 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Re:  SF Lug meeting Sunday August 4, 2013
In-Reply-To: <489000C4-ADF7-4F15-BE6C-950C447C166B@yahoo.com>
References: <489000C4-ADF7-4F15-BE6C-950C447C166B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <51F6FD9D.3060309@dslextreme.com>


     A change in the plan for the August 4th meeting.  Mr.  Milian will 
not be able to attend with his Raspberry Pi.
     Thanks for telling us John, hope you can make it to the meeting.

     Bobbie Sellers


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday August 4, 2013
Date: 	Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:55:08 -0700
From: 	John Strazzarino <
To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>



Sorry, Emilio will not be able to make the August 4th meeting.  Last 
minute issue came up.

Sorry,

John


Sent from my iPad

On Jul 29, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Bobbie Sellers 
<bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com <mailto:bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>> wrote:

>     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
> at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.
>
>     Emilio Milian will be giving a demonstration of the Raspberry Pi
> computer at the this  meeting.  Emilio has many years experience
> both teaching and as a hobbyist.
>
> Bring along your questions and maybe learn a thing or two.
> As always, the format is very informal
>
>     I will be bringing along my new tablet/laptop the Asus Transformer
> Pad TF700 which is Android/Linux to demonstrate (and show off of course).
>  Because of this if anyone needs a copy of Knoppix or other tool let 
> me know
> in advance as the TF700 does not yet have DVD R/W capability
>
>     I was able to get a fresh release of Linux Pro magazine issue 153,
>  dated August 2013.  The included DVD is two-sided with LinuxMint 15+
> "Olivia" Cinnnamon edition and GNU/Linux Debian 7 "Wheezy".
> Featured Articles on Search Tools, Behind the scenes at the Angry Birds
> e-commerce site, Alice a new tool for building animations, and a lot of
> other interesting articles.
>
>     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
> year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
> and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
> who can.
>     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
> along.
>
>        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
> to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
> to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other interested
> parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
>  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
> or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
> to end the meeting.
>
>     Thanks for your attention
>
>     Bobbie Sellers
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com <mailto:sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/


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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul 29 17:28:24 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:28:24 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] has ubuntu caused me to regress in wifi features?
In-Reply-To: <51F6F729.5060305@gmail.com>
References: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com> <20130729175948.GH20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6AFDA.2010109@gmail.com>
	<20130729183819.GI20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6F729.5060305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130730002824.GJ20726@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):

> According to downloadcenter.intel.com (search for drivers and linux):
> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi
> is good for Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN

Um, the crosslinks are a bit confusing, and I'm not certain about this,
but my surmise is that downloadcenter.intel.com is merely sending you
back to the wireless.kernel.org site's iwlwifi _page_, because that page
then further specifies that for 4965AGN you need _not_ iwlwifi but rather
iwlegacy (because 4965AGN's one of several older Intel chip series --
iwlwifi itself being compatible with only current-production Intel chips).

> I could try to uninstall the iwlegacy package and install the
> iwlwifi package and see what happens.

I'm guessing nothing, unless you put in a newer Intel card.  ;->




From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 01:19:52 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 01:19:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] has ubuntu caused me to regress in wifi features?
In-Reply-To: <20130730002824.GJ20726@linuxmafia.com>
References: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com> <20130729175948.GH20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6AFDA.2010109@gmail.com>
	<20130729183819.GI20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6F729.5060305@gmail.com>
	<20130730002824.GJ20726@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <51F77728.8060904@gmail.com>



On 07/29/2013 05:28 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):
>
>> According to downloadcenter.intel.com (search for drivers and linux):
>> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi
>> is good for Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN
>
> Um, the crosslinks are a bit confusing, and I'm not certain about this,
> but my surmise is that downloadcenter.intel.com is merely sending you
> back to the wireless.kernel.org site's iwlwifi _page_, because that page
> then further specifies that for 4965AGN you need _not_ iwlwifi but rather
> iwlegacy (because 4965AGN's one of several older Intel chip series --
> iwlwifi itself being compatible with only current-production Intel chips).

Very plausible explanation.

>
>> I could try to uninstall the iwlegacy package and install the
>> iwlwifi package and see what happens.
>
> I'm guessing nothing, unless you put in a newer Intel card.  ;->

What's driving me is the fact that this worked a couple of years ago. I 
could just try booting from a live CD of say Ubuntu 12 or even 11. Might 
be easier than trying to untangle drivers.

Hey, something else just occurred to me. Much to my shame, about half a 
year ago I realized that my CPU was 64 bit capable (I know, how could 
you not know. My excuse is that I got it used and old and just 
presumed..) and so I'm now running 64 linux, whereas up until about 2 
months ago I was running 32 bits. This doesn't change any of your 
excellent research and very rational conclusions.


M



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Jul 30 08:58:41 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:58:41 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] has ubuntu caused me to regress in wifi features?
In-Reply-To: <51F77728.8060904@gmail.com>
References: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com> <20130729175948.GH20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6AFDA.2010109@gmail.com>
	<20130729183819.GI20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6F729.5060305@gmail.com>
	<20130730002824.GJ20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F77728.8060904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130730155840.GP20726@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):

> What's driving me is the fact that this worked a couple of years
> ago.

Quoting once again the operative text from
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi :

  AP mode (experimental; only on some devices/firmware versions

Might have been a different firmware blob.  Might have been a different
revision of the kernel driver.  Either way, AP mode on Intel drivers has
in general had a long history of not working, and working has been the
exception.





From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 09:02:44 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:02:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] has ubuntu caused me to regress in wifi features?
In-Reply-To: <20130730155840.GP20726@linuxmafia.com>
References: <51F6ACA6.70208@gmail.com> <20130729175948.GH20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6AFDA.2010109@gmail.com>
	<20130729183819.GI20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F6F729.5060305@gmail.com>
	<20130730002824.GJ20726@linuxmafia.com>
	<51F77728.8060904@gmail.com>
	<20130730155840.GP20726@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <51F7E3A4.4000807@gmail.com>

thanks rick.

m

On 07/30/2013 08:58 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):
>
>> What's driving me is the fact that this worked a couple of years
>> ago.
>
> Quoting once again the operative text from
> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi :
>
>    AP mode (experimental; only on some devices/firmware versions
>
> Might have been a different firmware blob.  Might have been a different
> revision of the kernel driver.  Either way, AP mode on Intel drivers has
> in general had a long history of not working, and working has been the
> exception.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>

-- 
Michael Shiloh	
teachmetomake.com/wordpress
KA6RCQ									

Educational Materials coordinator at Arduino.cc
Electronics, Robotics, Digital Fabrication, and Arduino educator
California College of the Arts
San Francisco Art Institute
San Francisco State University




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 31 09:54:38 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:54:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Jul 31 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1375289678.71969.YahooMailNeo@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 21:51:59 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:51:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Re: SF Lug meeting Sunday August 4, 2013
In-Reply-To: <51F6FD9D.3060309@dslextreme.com>
References: <489000C4-ADF7-4F15-BE6C-950C447C166B@yahoo.com>
	<51F6FD9D.3060309@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFE5FK9+x5oWA17e30_ZHBUOHmDS6Bkhhnaypq0kXmk8oA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
The Python for Android link I mentioned at the meeting is
http://code.google.com/p/python-for-android/, and it works in conjunction
with the scripting layer for Android (SL4A).
There are several tutorials (Google python for android tutorial), but I got
started with if from an old Linux Journal article.
Haven't done much with Android, but nice to know I have Python available.
K


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Bobbie Sellers <
bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
>     A change in the plan for the August 4th meeting.  Mr.  Milian will not
> be able to attend with his Raspberry Pi.
>     Thanks for telling us John, hope you can make it to the meeting.
>
>     Bobbie Sellers
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: Re: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting
> Sunday August 4, 2013  Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:55:08 -0700  From: John
> Strazzarino <  To: Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com><bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
>
> Sorry, Emilio will not be able to make the August 4th meeting.  Last
> minute issue came up.
>
>  Sorry,
>
>  John
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 29, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
>
>       SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
> at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.
>
>      Emilio Milian will be giving a demonstration of the Raspberry Pi
> computer at the this  meeting.  Emilio has many years experience
> both teaching and as a hobbyist.
>
>   Bring along your questions and maybe learn a thing or two.
>
>  As always, the format is very informal
>
>     I will be bringing along my new tablet/laptop the Asus Transformer
> Pad TF700 which is Android/Linux to demonstrate (and show off of course).
>  Because of this if anyone needs a copy of Knoppix or other tool let me
> know
> in advance as the TF700 does not yet have DVD R/W capability
>
>     I was able to get a fresh release of Linux Pro magazine issue 153,
>  dated August 2013.  The included DVD is two-sided with LinuxMint 15+
> "Olivia" Cinnnamon edition and GNU/Linux Debian 7 "Wheezy".
> Featured Articles on Search Tools, Behind the scenes at the Angry Birds
> e-commerce site, Alice a new tool for building animations, and a lot of
> other interesting articles.
>
>     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
> year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
> and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
> who can.
>     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
> along.
>
>        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
> to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
> to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
> parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
>  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
> or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
> to end the meeting.
>
>     Thanks for your attention
>
>     Bobbie Sellers
>
>   _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Aug  5 22:12:32 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 22:12:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG & BALUG maintenance downtime Tu 10:30a-3:30p
Message-ID: <20130805221232.1370147z02ehowys@webmail.rawbw.com>

SF-LUG & BALUG maintenance downtime Tu 10:30a-3:30p

Due to physical host move there will be an outage for many SF-LUG and
some BALUG services for much or all of:
maintenance window:
                     start/end
2013-08-06T10:30:00-0700/2013-08-06T15:30:00-0700
2013-08-06T17:30:00+0000/2013-08-06T22:30:00+0000

SF-LUG:
down: [www.]sf-lug.{org,com}
unaffected: SF-LUG list: http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug

BALUG:
unaffected: [www.]balug.org, @balug.org email addresses, BALUG lists:
http://www.balug.org/#Lists
down: many BALUG ancillary services, e.g. archive.balug.org,
[www.]wiki.balug.org, etc.

Unless outage ends up much longer than anticipated, there may be no
further notification for this outage.

Technical details:
all services on these IP addresses will be impacted:
208.96.15.248/29 (208.96.15.248-208.96.15.255)
The qemu-kvm VMs sflug & balug will begin shutdown at 10:30 A.M.
The physical host (vicki) will begin shutdown at 10:45 A.M.
Window for physical move starts at 11:00 A.M. and ends at 3:00 P.M.
It is anticipated that most likely, all hosts and services will be
operational again by 3:30 P.M.  (Once host is moved, network connection
reestablished, and host powered up, host and guest VMs should be up in
relatively short order).




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug  6 11:38:15 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 11:38:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Aug 7 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1375814295.61549.YahooMailNeo@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Aug  7 19:03:41 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 19:03:41 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Trojan available to thieves
Message-ID: <5202FC7D.2060608@dslextreme.com>


Hand of Thief is the name of it and the story is at the url below.  I 
was there reading
a story about a program for Linux to run Mac softwares.

<http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/08/hand-of-thief-banking-trojan-doesnt-do-windows-but-it-does-linux/>

The story mentions infected Linux servers with another malicious
software as well.

     Also an Android trojan.

Bobbie Sellers
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Aug  8 14:21:11 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 14:21:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Trojan available to thieves
In-Reply-To: <5202FC7D.2060608@dslextreme.com>
References: <5202FC7D.2060608@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20130808212111.GW24551@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> 
> Hand of Thief is the name of it and the story is at the url below.
> I was there reading
> a story about a program for Linux to run Mac softwares.
> 
> <http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/08/hand-of-thief-banking-trojan-doesnt-do-windows-but-it-does-linux/>

The interesting thing about trojans -- and something essentially never
mentioned by security firms that make money off selling people magic
protection and spooking them -- is that the trojan is inevitably a
passive payload, a secondary aftereffect of an _actual_ security 
breach.

The referenced news story, as usual, utterly fails to mention by what
mechanism if at all one might come to install the trojan.  It merely
assumes and starts with someone having done so, and then discusses what
the locally installed undesired process then does.

News flash:  If you can somehow convince a computer user to install a
trojan from nowhere-in-particular-and-nobody-in-his-right-mind-would, 
then the trojan can and will do anything its user authority permits.
So, the Arstechnica story really says nothing.

The linked blog posting at RSA Security is
https://blogs.rsa.com/thieves-reaching-for-linux-hand-of-thief-trojan-targets-linux-inth3wild/
, and is pretty much typical rubbish, again utterly failing to say even
Word One about what user error, horrible neglect of basic software
maintenance, or other mechanism would cause the trojan kit to be
installed.  About the only thing that can be determined from it is that
the trojan doesn't appear to include any code to attempt privilege
escalation, hence the user is apparently induced to somehow shoot only
his/her user authority in the foot, not compromising his/her whole
system.

Which among other things means that the vector of entry could be
something as prosaic and uninteresting as stolen ssh tokens lifted from
a user ssh'ing INTO the target server from a shared host elsewhere that
has been security compromised, and not a weakness in the target server's
software at all.

In the future, when you see these articles, the key thing to look for is
'How does this get run?'  When, as is almost always the case, they
cannot be bothered to say, then it's just the usual self-promotion
rubbish from security firms.



> The story mentions infected Linux servers with another malicious
> software as well.

  'The number of Linux machines running Apache and other Web servers
  that are infected by Darkleech and similar exploits --recently
  estimated to be in the 20,000 range [link] --suggests the platform
  isn't out of the reach of motivated attacker'

All together now:  'How does this get run?'

Neither the Arstechnica piecde nor the linked article cited from the
above paragraph has anything meaningful to say about that.

So:  The usual rubbish.


>     Also an Android trojan.

All together now:  'How does this get run?

Nothing.  Doesn't say.  Not a word.  

Again:  Trojans are a dime a dozen to write, just like ELF infector
viruses.  They don't themselves attack, and aren't even very
interesting; they are consequences (aftereffects) of security compromise
by other means. 

And please remember going forward:  The standard of quality in articles
about malware in the IT press (including Arstechnica) is abysmal, and
seldom rises above quoting scaremongering and vague self-promotion from
the security industry.  Please read with heightened skepticism.




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Aug  9 19:24:21 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:24:21 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting at Cafe Enchante August 4, 2013
Message-ID: <5205A455.80404@dslextreme.com>

Well this was a pretty quiet meeting.

I arrived at the Cafe Enchante at 10:50 AM shortly joined by Ken Schaeffer
and wife, Jason, Jim Stockford and Eric.   I showed off and demo-ed my new
Transformer TF 700 and keyboard dock, and even downloaded an Anti-Viral
product from Google's Play Store(bad name).  I was able to briefly demo the
entertainment functions which use was the primary reasonI bought the 
machine.

Tried to do some web browsing via Android Firefox with no luckdue to
unfamiliarity with the touch screen product.
      Jason was concerned with getting a new OS for an older computer
and discussed this with Kenand Jim. I was able to give Jason a copy of the
PCLOS KDE for 2013.04 and a copy of Kubuntu 13.04 64 bit.

     The meeting came to conclusion at 1 PM and Jim kindly gave myself,
Eric and Jason rides to our respective destinations.

     Next meeting at the Cafe Enchante will be on the 19th of this month.
     Hopefully will have more interesting material to relate in the next 
regular
meeting announcement.

Thanks for your attention.

     Bobbie Sellers
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 13 07:38:48 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:38:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Aug 14 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1376404728.18024.YahooMailNeo@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From nbs at sonic.net  Wed Aug 14 22:14:33 2013
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:14:33 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	August 19: 'Vintage Computers and Linux' Roundtable
Message-ID: <201308150514.r7F5EX8f016812@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  August 19, 2013
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:
  "Vintage Computers and Linux" Roundtable
  by Various LUGOD members

  This roundtable talk will involve emulation of classic computer systems
  and video games on Linux, as well as ways a modern Linux-based system
  can be used together with a classic system (e.g., file hosting,
  cross-compiling and cross-assembling, etc.)

  Attendees are encouraged to discuss, and even demonstrate, their
  favorite classic platforms -- both emulated and with real hardware.

  (Note: If you'd like to pariticpate in the roundtable, please email
  Bill Kendrick at pr at lugod.org with your plans, so we can coordinate
  and make sure everyone has adequate time to present.)


This meeting will be held at:

  Davis Public Library
  Blanchard meeting room
  315 East 14th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

or simply:

  http://www.lugod.org/ (and follow the links)


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can find LUGOD on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From larry.cafiero at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 11:48:55 2013
From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:48:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] FOSS Force's Best Personal Linux and FOSS Blog poll
Message-ID: <CAA9tYz=B2kP08W-Zm39dua86ujV_8sWOAMQnPWYOt6NSe4LSRw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, all --

I wanted to bring to your attention, if you weren't aware of it already,
the FOSS Force Best Personal Linux and FOSS Blog Contest they're currently
running on their site.

FOSS Force is highlighting those personal blogs written from the standpoint
of passion for Linux and FOSS, not written for a paycheck, and it's
refreshing that someone is promoting the blogs that are not always on the
radar.

Yes, I have a personal stake in this -- two, actually -- as one of the
nominees, but frankly my intention in posting this is to promote this poll
in order to highlight many of the outstanding blogs that sometimes go
unnoticed by the wider FOSS audience, like Matthew Garrett's or Benjamin
Kerensa's.

Give them all a read and then vote for two blogs to go on to the final
round. Deadline for this round is Monday, Aug. 19, after which the final
round starts for another week of voting.

Here's the link:
http://fossforce.com/2013/08/who-will-be-best-personal-linux-or-foss-blog/

Vote for the blogs you think are best. If one of them is mine, thank you,
but if not, it's truly honor enough to be on the ballot.


Larry Cafiero
Larry the Free Software Guy / Larry the CrunchBang Guy
"... cause I speak of the pompetous of FOSS"
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Aug 15 11:59:37 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:59:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meets next Monday August 19, 2013
Message-ID: <520D2519.8090902@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Fri Aug 16 23:37:44 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 23:37:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2013-08-20: Rick Moen on Linux Malware;
	& other BALUG	News
Message-ID: <20130816233744.19492420nhajkd28@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG Tu 2013-08-20: Rick Moen on Linux Malware; & other BALUG News

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-08-20: Rick Moen on Linux Malware
2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for Systems Administrators
Bill Honeycutt, tech goodies, and other giveaways
volunteering to help BALUG
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-08-20 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

TOPIC:  Linux Malware

   PRESENTED BY:
     Rick Moen[1]

   TOPIC SUMMARY:
     We had it first!  Not counting the early Elk Cloner boot sector
     virus for the Apple II, computer viruses had been developed on Unix
     and become old hat when MS-DOS was just getting started and hadn't even
     been attacked, yet.  The biggest Internet meltdown ever was caused
     by a 'worm' (program that propagates across networks) targeting BSD Unix.

     Our speaker will tour malware's colorful history and put it in
     perspective of larger security concerns including horrifically
     bad coding practices in many significant desktop projects and
     slipshod quality control.

   ABOUT THE PRESENTER:
     Rick Moen is longtime senior system administrator, who also runs
     nearby Linux user group CABAL[2], meeting at his and his wife's
     house in West Menlo Park, and has been fooling with various Unices
     since the 1980s.  Having formerly been a technical employee at
     several Linux firms (Linuxcare, VA Linux Systems, and California
     Digital Corp.) during decades past, he stresses that it's not his
     fault and he has an alibi.

1. http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/
2. http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, August 20th, 2013 2013-08-20

                        Four Seas Restaurant
http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
           cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
           family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
           also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue).

------------------------------

For our 2013-10-15 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph[1] on Code Review for Systems Administrators

The OpenStack project uses a public code review system
and automated series of unit and integration tests before merging to
confirm that code submitted is adhering to project standards and
doesn't cause problems for other software in the stack.

The OpenStack Infrastructure team not only manages this system using
all open source tools, like Gerrit and Jenkins for review and testing,
but also uses the system themselves for reviewing and testing changes
being made to systems running the infrastructure itself. Puppet
configuration files, Python scripts and more are subjected to
automated syntax tests and then collaboratively reviewed in public by
community and core team members alike before approval.

This talk will give you a walk through of the actual software used to
accomplish this and how this process has allowed the team to have a
considerably open, collaborative approach to systems administration
for the project infrastructure.

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph is an Automation and Tools Engineer at
HP[2] working on the OpenStack Infrastructure[3] team.  She is also a
member of the Ubuntu Community Council[4] and on the Board of
Directors for Partimus[5], a non-profit in the San Francisco Bay Area
providing Linux-based computers to schools in need.

1. http://www.princessleia.com/
2. http://www.hp.com/
3. http://ci.openstack.org/
4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
5. http://partimus.org/

------------------------------

Bill Honeycutt, tech goodies, and other giveaways

Bill Honeycutt was active in BUUG[1] for many years.  He passed away
earlier this year[2].  Among the many tech items to be given away, at
least some will be making it from his estate, through BALUG to be given
away, and includes many cool and useful electronics and tech items, many
of which are of quite recent vintage.
1. http://www.buug.org/
2. http://buug.org/pipermail/buug/2013-July/004009.html

Book(s)!:
Oracle Solaris 11 System Administration
Thanks to Pearson's User Group program for providing these review
copies.  For details see:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-July/005034.html
Pearson User Group member page (member discounts: 35% off print,
45% off eBook):
http://www.informit.com/usergroupwelcome

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 18 07:43:16 2013
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:43:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] partitioning/formatting USB memory stick
In-Reply-To: <520D2519.8090902@dslextreme.com>
References: <520D2519.8090902@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1376836996.41153.YahooMailNeo@web140304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>



?
On a Raspberry Pi I'd like to use a USB memory stick (Kingston 64GB DataTraveler Micro) for extra storage space and am seeking advice as to how best to do this.

The first question is how to format it.? It's currently formatted for FAT:
"""
Command (m for help):
Disk /dev/sda: 61.9 GB, 61872793600 bytes
32 heads, 63 sectors/track, 59943 cylinders, total 120845300 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x7eb36409

?? Device Boot????? Start???????? End????? Blocks?? Id? System
/dev/sda1?? *????????? 63?? 120845087??? 60422512+?? b? W95 FAT32

Command (m for help):
"""

I'd like to use a Linux type file system- 
Which would be best?? ext4??

Another question has to do with partition boundaries.? I've read that it is best to have them line up with the way the read/writes are done and although this is not predictable, using a number such as 2048 is usually a good bet.
The question more specifically then is whether it is best to "Start" at 63 or to start at 2048 or some other number?

Alternatively would it be better to leave a shortened FAT partition at the beginning and make the rest of it EXTn?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Alex Kleider
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From akkana at shallowsky.com  Sun Aug 18 12:18:46 2013
From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:18:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] partitioning/formatting USB memory stick
In-Reply-To: <1376836996.41153.YahooMailNeo@web140304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <520D2519.8090902@dslextreme.com>
	<1376836996.41153.YahooMailNeo@web140304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20130818191846.GD3300@shallowsky.com>

Alex Kleider writes:
> On a Raspberry Pi I'd like to use a USB memory stick (Kingston 64GB DataTraveler Micro) for extra storage space and am seeking advice as to how best to do this.
> 
> The first question is how to format it.? It's currently formatted for FAT:

Dave North (my husband) did an evaluation of performance of various
filesystems on cheap flash drives a few years ago:
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/7208/1
Quick summary: use ext4.

> Another question has to do with partition boundaries.? I've read that it is best to have them line up with the way the read/writes are done and although this is not predictable, using a number such as 2048 is usually a good bet.
> The question more specifically then is whether it is best to "Start" at 63 or to start at 2048 or some other number?

I don't know, and Dave didn't have much luck finding details on how
the blocks were laid out on any commercial flash media.  The optimal
numbers probably vary from flash stick to flash stick, and you might
have to run a lot of tests to find out the optimal values for your
stick. If you do such tests, or if you find anyone who's done them,
please post! I'd be very interested to hear and I'm sure others
would too.

	...Akkana



From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 12:25:27 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:25:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] partitioning/formatting USB memory stick
In-Reply-To: <1376836996.41153.YahooMailNeo@web140304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <520D2519.8090902@dslextreme.com>
	<1376836996.41153.YahooMailNeo@web140304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFHaScWPA6x5dOG3sei+Z3SxNoXaW7CY2mWqZW-1dSfA2Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you intend to access the stick's data from a Windows machine, FAT32
would be preferable to ext, but then also depends on what data you store --
4G max per file on FAT32, so  maybe enough for an HDMI movie, maybe not
enough for a big data log.  I tend to use ext2 for my sticks, but I've
heard ext4 without the journaling is better -- no direct experience with
that.  It's the writes that will be the problem, they write an "erase
block" chunk of data at a time, and while finding the erase block size on
cards is trivial, I never figured out how to get it from a USB stick, other
than searching for the mfg specs.  The smaller cards' erase block size is
128k, but the big cards have larger ebs.  Never had a 64 G, so no ideas.
Awhile back, Alison posted something that made me think a 4m alignment
might be better than the minimal 128k, even on my smaller 4G cards.
Ken


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Alex Kleider <a_kleider at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> On a Raspberry Pi I'd like to use a USB memory stick (Kingston 64GB
> DataTraveler Micro) for extra storage space and am seeking advice as to how
> best to do this.
>
> The first question is how to format it.  It's currently formatted for FAT:
> """
> Command (m for help):
> Disk /dev/sda: 61.9 GB, 61872793600 bytes
> 32 heads, 63 sectors/track, 59943 cylinders, total 120845300 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x7eb36409
>
>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   *          63   120845087    60422512+   b  W95 FAT32
>
> Command (m for help):
> """
>
> I'd like to use a Linux type file system-
> Which would be best?  ext4??
>
> Another question has to do with partition boundaries.  I've read that it
> is best to have them line up with the way the read/writes are done and
> although this is not predictable, using a number such as 2048 is usually a
> good bet.
> The question more specifically then is whether it is best to "Start" at 63
> or to start at 2048 or some other number?
>
> Alternatively would it be better to leave a shortened FAT partition at the
> beginning and make the rest of it EXTn?
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Alex Kleider
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Aug 19 20:31:55 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:31:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] REMINDER BALUG TOMORROW Tu 2013-08-20: Rick Moen on Linux
	Malware; & other BALUG News
Message-ID: <20130819203155.10015ejw4ggyrb40@webmail.rawbw.com>

REMINDER BALUG TOMORROW Tu 2013-08-20: Rick Moen on Linux Malware; &  
other BALUG News

Just a reminder, this meeting is TOMORROW :-)
Same information from our earlier announcement is below, for your
convenience.

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-08-20: Rick Moen on Linux Malware
2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for Systems Administrators
Bill Honeycutt, tech goodies, and other giveaways
volunteering to help BALUG
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-08-20 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

TOPIC:  Linux Malware

   PRESENTED BY:
     Rick Moen[1]

   TOPIC SUMMARY:
     We had it first!  Not counting the early Elk Cloner boot sector
     virus for the Apple II, computer viruses had been developed on Unix
     and become old hat when MS-DOS was just getting started and hadn't even
     been attacked, yet.  The biggest Internet meltdown ever was caused
     by a 'worm' (program that propagates across networks) targeting BSD Unix.

     Our speaker will tour malware's colorful history and put it in
     perspective of larger security concerns including horrifically
     bad coding practices in many significant desktop projects and
     slipshod quality control.

   ABOUT THE PRESENTER:
     Rick Moen is longtime senior system administrator, who also runs
     nearby Linux user group CABAL[2], meeting at his and his wife's
     house in West Menlo Park, and has been fooling with various Unices
     since the 1980s.  Having formerly been a technical employee at
     several Linux firms (Linuxcare, VA Linux Systems, and California
     Digital Corp.) during decades past, he stresses that it's not his
     fault and he has an alibi.

1. http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/
2. http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, August 20th, 2013 2013-08-20

                        Four Seas Restaurant
http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
           cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
           family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
           also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue).

------------------------------

For our 2013-10-15 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph[1] on Code Review for Systems Administrators

The OpenStack project uses a public code review system
and automated series of unit and integration tests before merging to
confirm that code submitted is adhering to project standards and
doesn't cause problems for other software in the stack.

The OpenStack Infrastructure team not only manages this system using
all open source tools, like Gerrit and Jenkins for review and testing,
but also uses the system themselves for reviewing and testing changes
being made to systems running the infrastructure itself. Puppet
configuration files, Python scripts and more are subjected to
automated syntax tests and then collaboratively reviewed in public by
community and core team members alike before approval.

This talk will give you a walk through of the actual software used to
accomplish this and how this process has allowed the team to have a
considerably open, collaborative approach to systems administration
for the project infrastructure.

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph is an Automation and Tools Engineer at
HP[2] working on the OpenStack Infrastructure[3] team.  She is also a
member of the Ubuntu Community Council[4] and on the Board of
Directors for Partimus[5], a non-profit in the San Francisco Bay Area
providing Linux-based computers to schools in need.

1. http://www.princessleia.com/
2. http://www.hp.com/
3. http://ci.openstack.org/
4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
5. http://partimus.org/

------------------------------

Bill Honeycutt, tech goodies, and other giveaways

Bill Honeycutt was active in BUUG[1] for many years.  He passed away
earlier this year[2].  Among the many tech items to be given away, at
least some will be making it from his estate, through BALUG to be given
away, and includes many cool and useful electronics and tech items, many
of which are of quite recent vintage.
1. http://www.buug.org/
2. http://buug.org/pipermail/buug/2013-July/004009.html

Book(s)!:
Oracle Solaris 11 System Administration
Thanks to Pearson's User Group program for providing these review
copies.  For details see:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-July/005034.html
Pearson User Group member page (member discounts: 35% off print,
45% off eBook):
http://www.informit.com/usergroupwelcome

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 21 11:24:56 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:24:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Aug 21 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1377109496.86470.YahooMailNeo@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Aug 26 08:54:05 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:54:05 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG meets next Sunday September 1, 2013
Message-ID: <521B7A1D.5010602@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     Presently I expect to be bring my Inspiron 4000 to the meeting
perhaps with an install of PCLOS KDE 32 bit.  Stats on the Inspiron
are 700 MHz Pentium (Coppermine) with 384 Megabyte of ram and
a dual booting 100 GiB (nominal) hard drive, presently a CD ROM drive
only. The current installations are Windows XP and an obsolete version of
Mandriva perhaps 2009.  This was lent to my friend the gardener in San
Mateo for several years and it was returned to me last week.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 28 09:54:09 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:54:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Aug 28 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1377708849.46818.YahooMailNeo@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Aug 30 10:33:05 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:33:05 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG meets next Sunday September 1, 2013
In-Reply-To: <521B7A1D.5010602@dslextreme.com>
References: <521B7A1D.5010602@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <5220D751.1060906@dslextreme.com>

On 08/26/2013 08:54 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
> at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     Sorry to say the Inspiron is not in good enough repair presently
to bring to the meeting.  If you remember it is subject to the display
screen flopping over in both directions and since I last used it
extensively the problem has gotten even worse(if possible).
     I will be bringing the Compaq Notebook instead.
/I am hoping to bring it to a future meeting (after repair if possible)/.

     Bobbie Sellers

>
>     Presently I expect to be bring my Inspiron 4000 to the meeting
> perhaps with an install of PCLOS KDE 32 bit.  Stats on the Inspiron
> are 700 MHz Pentium (Coppermine) with 384 Megabyte of ram and
> a dual booting 100 GiB (nominal) hard drive, presently a CD ROM drive
> only. The current installations are Windows XP and an obsolete version of
> Mandriva perhaps 2009.  This was lent to my friend the gardener in San
> Mateo for several years and it was returned to me last week.
>
>     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
> year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
> and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
> who can.
>     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
> along.
>
>        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
> to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
> to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
> parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
>  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
> or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
> to end the meeting.
>
>     Thanks for your attention
>
>     Bobbie Sellers
>

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From nbs at sonic.net  Fri Aug 30 10:57:22 2013
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:57:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	Sept. 16: 'Building a new web-scale search engine'
Message-ID: <201308301757.r7UHvMa6020843@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  September 16, 2013
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:
  "Building a new web-scale search engine"
  with Greg Lindahl, CTO and founder of blekko

  Everyone knows that it's impossible to build a new search engine from
  scratch, and they're pretty much correct.  Come and hear how blekko
  ( http://www.blekko.com/ ) did it -- a sordid tale involving a lot of
  VC money, open source, perl, and a digression into how difficult it is
  to produce good results for programming queries.

  After a detour through privacy and open data, our guest speaker will
  finish by mercilessly questioning the audience about their search
  engine habits.

About the Speaker:

  Greg is a supercomputing guy, and has been using Linux since 1995.
  In 1999 he was the technical lead on the first US federal supercomputing
  procurement to be won by a Linux cluster.  In 2002 he was a founder at
  PathScale, and was the architect of an InfiniBand networking endpoint
  that Intel is about to bake into their high-end Xeon CPUs.
  In 2007, he became CTO and founder at blekko.


This meeting will be held at:

  Davis Public Library
  Blanchard meeting room
  315 East 14th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

or simply:

  http://www.lugod.org/ (and follow the links)


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can find LUGOD on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From JStrazza at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 31 14:47:14 2013
From: JStrazza at yahoo.com (John Strazzarino)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:47:14 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Raspberry Pi at the meeting of SF-LUG on 9/1
Message-ID: <9986896E-2CD2-41C0-9A75-03B94BFAB835@yahoo.com>

Come one come all if you'd like to see the Raspberry Pi in action.

See you at 11:00 am or sooner.

John


Sent from my iPad



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Sep  1 15:12:34 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 15:12:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Meeting today Sunday 1 September 2013
Message-ID: <5223BBD2.5040104@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

     10:40 I arrived at Cafe Enchante and begin to setup my notebook.
     Dana with a broken tablet and David just to see if the meeting was
still here today were the next to show up about 1100.

     11:05  John  Strazziano and Emilio G. Milan showed up then
Ken Schaeffer with his wife and the Raspberry Pi was running
Puppy Linux for the ARM.  It seems to be an easy setup and the
Pi board was in a neat little case designed for the purpose.  A
17 inch flat screen TV was used for the demo but Emilio had
a  screen design for aDVD player to be used in an auto.
Emilio G. Milan has a repair shop in Daly City 1(650)878-9630
and emilian37 at gmail.com he specializes in Windows & Macs
but was willing to set up the PI with Puppy Linux.

     I brought in the latest Linux Pro Magazine #154, it has articles on
Debian Hurd which is not yet ready for prime time apparently. Report
on the new Firefox OS phones, and lots of other interesting articles.
It features the Knoppix 7.2 on DVD and on the other side a live version
of Fedora 19 which comes with the Gnome 3 Desktop. This Desktop
Environment is so opaque that I downloaded the KDE version of Fedora
19. I then got access to the Console and was able to determine that this is
Kernel 3.9.5 and eventually that it has KDE 4.10.4.
This distribution may be exciting to people who are able to configure
it easily but I was unable to get it to connect to the local network.  
It was
short of several tools I prefer to use such as Firefox which has the weak
substitute of Conqueror. Conqueror is looking more like Firefox.   The
network configuration for wireless has an interesting feature of putting up
wireless networks in range in the manner of radar-like screen showing
the available networks in concentric sweeps with of course the nearest one
at hand. It also featured an office package under the title Caligra 
rather than
Libre Office.
     I would recommend for the Linux user with less experience and who does
not care for hassling with a highly technical interface, the PCLinux OS 
over
this cutting edge distribution.

     Jim Stockford showed up but felt too ill to remain and left about 
12:15.
Jason showed up after Jim left and  Eric showed up about 12:25.

     So we had a total of 9 members in attendance but only 8 at any 
given time /**//*
which is still the best we have done at this location in several 
year*//*s*/.

At12:40 Ken and wife took off.  Over the next 20 minutes those of 
usremaining, unplugged  and packed up the equipment.

     Thanks for your attention.

     Bobbie Sellers
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep  4 08:12:54 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Sep 4 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1378307574.88945.YahooMailNeo@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Sat Sep  7 08:27:43 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 08:27:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2013-09-17: Peter Linnell on Open Build Service
	(OBS); &	other BALUG News
Message-ID: <20130907082743.28961f1qcwymrlz4@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG Tu 2013-09-17: Peter Linnell on Open Build Service (OBS); &  
other BALUG News

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-09-17: Peter Linnell on Open Build Service (OBS)
2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for Systems Administrators
giveaways (CDs/DVDs, book(s), ...)
volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-09-17 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Peter Linnell on Open Build Service (OBS)[1]

The Open Build Server (OBS) - Even wished you could have a tool to
natively package your in-house applications? Peter Linnell will give a
high level overview of the Open Build Service (OBS), an open source
multi-platform package builder for all major Linux distributions.  A
complete integrated package building service which has as it goals:
reliable, scalable repeatable package builds for all major Linux
distributions and architectures.  The talk will feature an on-line demo
of OBS.

Peter Linnell is a SUSE[2] Engineer working with enterprise clients and
ISV/IHV partners in the Western US.  He has over a decade of experience
in open source projects, as a founder of and project leader of Scribus,
as well as participating in many open source projects.  Before joining
SUSE, he worked at Cloudera - the Hadoop startup in Silicon Valley.  He
is a founder and PMC of Apache Bigtop, the Hadoop integration and
packaging project, as well as Apache Stratos.  While living in Europe,
he was a technical project manager at INRIA, one of the world's leading
HPC research institutes.  At SUSE he has been part of the Big Data
Team, guiding the technical and strategy direction on BI/Big Data.

1. http://openbuildservice.org/
2. https://www.suse.com/

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, September 17th, 2013 2013-09-17

                        Four Seas Restaurant
http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
           cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
           family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
           also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue).

------------------------------

For our 2013-10-15 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph[1] on Code Review for Systems Administrators

The OpenStack project uses a public code review system
and automated series of unit and integration tests before merging to
confirm that code submitted is adhering to project standards and
doesn't cause problems for other software in the stack.

The OpenStack Infrastructure team not only manages this system using
all open source tools, like Gerrit and Jenkins for review and testing,
but also uses the system themselves for reviewing and testing changes
being made to systems running the infrastructure itself. Puppet
configuration files, Python scripts and more are subjected to
automated syntax tests and then collaboratively reviewed in public by
community and core team members alike before approval.

This talk will give you a walk through of the actual software used to
accomplish this and how this process has allowed the team to have a
considerably open, collaborative approach to systems administration
for the project infrastructure.

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph is an Automation and Tools Engineer at
HP[2] working on the OpenStack Infrastructure[3] team.  She is also a
member of the Ubuntu Community Council[4] and on the Board of
Directors for Partimus[5], a non-profit in the San Francisco Bay Area
providing Linux-based computers to schools in need.

1. http://www.princessleia.com/
2. http://www.hp.com/
3. http://ci.openstack.org/
4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
5. http://partimus.org/

------------------------------

We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
likely have at least the below plus additional items, quite possibly
including some more electronics.

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

Book(s)!:
Oracle Solaris 11 System Administration
Thanks to Pearson's User Group program for providing these review
copies.  For details see:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-July/005034.html
Pearson User Group member page (member discounts: 35% off print,
45% off eBook):
http://www.informit.com/usergroupwelcome

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)

Not only can you do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG,
but it can also be a way to gain useful and practical experience, and
could also be something to add to or round out one's resume.

There a quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us
at a meeting and/or drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o assist on publicity
o chief/assistant cat herder
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Sep  9 13:07:22 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting on Monday, September 16 2013
Message-ID: <522E2A7A.9080008@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers and others,

     SF-LUG meets every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.   If you check my report on the last meeting it will detail
the magazine I will likely bring.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep 11 10:15:31 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:15:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Sep 11 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1378919731.59601.YahooMailNeo@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

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From jim at systemateka.com  Thu Sep 12 15:07:52 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:07:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] JOB POSTING: Linux system engineer, San Francisco, $110K
Message-ID: <1379023672.2454.18.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


Rodan+Fields is seeking  a Linux Systems Engineer for our  San
Francisco, CA office.  Salary Range $110,000+/year.  Rodan + Fields? is
a direct selling skincare company founded by Dr. Katie Rodan and Dr.
Kathy Fields, world-renowned dermatologists and creators of Proactiv?
Solution. Rodan + Fields specializes in marketing clinically-proven
skincare products. With triple digit growth in revenues, groundbreaking
product introductions and industry recognition, Rodan + Fields is a fun,
fast-paced and exciting company in the heart of San Francisco.

The Opportunity:  Rodan + Fields is seeking a Linux Systems Engineer to
provide systems engineering and production operations support within the
Technology Operations organization.  The Linux Systems Engineer will be
responsible for provisioning, deploying, and supporting all Linux
systems. 

The ideal candidate will recommend and implement systems best practices,
lead small to medium technology projects on the Linux platform, follow
industry standard methodologies/frameworks for systems deployment and
maintenance, and demonstrate high-level of competency as subject matter
expert.

Requirements:
?         10+ years of UNIX / Linux administration (Red Hat, CentOS)
?         5+ years of information systems design/architecture experience
?         2+ years of managing systems implementations
?         Exposure to IT Service Management Framework (itSFM) and ITIL
methodology (Incident, Problem and Change Management Lifecycles,
specifically)
?         Advanced knowledge of Puppet, backups, antivirus, firewalls,
caching, CDN, cluster management, firmware, HTML, Linux shell scripting,
and web servers
?         Advanced knowledge of Linux kernel, packet management,
advanced scripting language, Auth / Directory services, LDAP, DNS, BIND,
HA, networking, TCP/IP packet analysis and management, security,
storage, systems optimization, and patching
?         Advanced knowledge of FTP/S, SMTP/S, HTTP/S, SSH,
Apache/Tomcat, networking, VPN (SSL and IPSec)
?         Expert knowledge of hardware, load balancing (BIG IP F5
preferred) and performance monitoring
?         Bachelor's degree in computer science or equivalent experience
?         RHCSA and/or RHCE certification or equivalent preferred
?         ITIL V3 Foundation certified preferred

Please email your  resume to jmedeiros at rodanandfields.com for
consideration.

Jennifer Medeiros
Technical Recruiter
415-696-7522

https://www.rodanandfields.com/Pages/Company/careers





From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 14 15:57:52 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:57:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] OT: how to set up wireless printer on college network
Message-ID: <5234E9F0.9000803@gmail.com>

This is not Linux specific and hence off-topic, so if I shouldn't be 
dong this please ignore the message. I'll understand silence to mean 
it's inappropriate.

On the other hand, it's Chromebook specific, which is Linux, but the 
question is not Linux related.

Here's the thing:

My daughter is off to college with her Google Chromebook, which she 
loves. As any of you who have used this know, it's a different computer 
paradigm and takes a bit of getting used to.

In particular, you can NOT install drivers, and thus you can't print 
directly to a printer.

You can use a "normal" computer to share an attached printer via the 
Google Cloud.

Or, you can buy a special Google "Cloud Ready" printer. Printing still 
requires the Cloud, so the printer must have access to the internet.

Now the printer has to connect to the Internet. No problem, they provide 
wifi all around the campus. No wired network in the dorms, but no 
problem, we get a wifi enabled printer. Pretty reasonably priced these days.

Now here's the problem: Her college network has open access points, but 
once connected to the network, one has to log in with one's student ID 
and password.

The question is, how do you get the wifi printer to do that?

Wifi printers have ways to set network SSID and WPA or WEP passwords, 
but I've not seen one that allows you to log in to such a network. The 
printer would have to issue an HTTP request and somehow on this random 
web page find where it says "Login" or whatever word they use and 
"Password" and enter your credentials.  There might even be a policy 
which requires you to read and accept their terms.

One solution would be to glue a Raspberry Pi to the back of the printer, 
and write a script (probably using Expect) on the pi to log in to the 
net and then route the internet to the printer via a short piece of CAT-5.

But surely this problem is more generic. I know that many colleges use a 
similar scheme (I'm a teacher after all, I know this first hand), and 
other places like convention centers, hotels, airports, etc. Granted, if 
you work in these places, you could get a wired connection to your 
printer, but still it must show up.

On top of that, cloud computing is really ideal for college students: 
(lightweight machine, great battery life, everything is in the cloud in 
case your laptop breaks, is lost or stolen), so I'd expect someone has 
figured out how to make this to work in that environment.

Thoughts?



From samir at esamir.com  Sat Sep 14 17:02:33 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:02:33 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] OT: how to set up wireless printer on college network
In-Reply-To: <5234E9F0.9000803@gmail.com>
References: <5234E9F0.9000803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ8MRKt2ECoTwAHzk6VbOsLHBWmbBYstJPbtRHR9D4gP6g@mail.gmail.com>

Well.  My experience with a google chromebook has been iffy.  I love
the concept but I do find the hardware to be painfully slow for day to
day use.  I'm glad someone likes them though.

Just an idea, why not buy an adapter card for the printer? Do they not
have access to a hard line? It'd be much easier to figure out and odds
are not as paranoid about authentication.

I think you can use wpa_supplicant with 802.1x to do a user/password
auth.  But again, if you're on chrome you'll have limited choices.

I'd suggest 1. trying a hardline.  If that's not possible, you could
install a full OS on chromebook.  You get Ubuntu with the extended
battery life and could optionally choose to just use google drive,
docs etc. to be cloud friendly



On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not Linux specific and hence off-topic, so if I shouldn't be dong
> this please ignore the message. I'll understand silence to mean it's
> inappropriate.
>
> On the other hand, it's Chromebook specific, which is Linux, but the
> question is not Linux related.
>
> Here's the thing:
>
> My daughter is off to college with her Google Chromebook, which she loves.
> As any of you who have used this know, it's a different computer paradigm
> and takes a bit of getting used to.
>
> In particular, you can NOT install drivers, and thus you can't print
> directly to a printer.
>
> You can use a "normal" computer to share an attached printer via the Google
> Cloud.
>
> Or, you can buy a special Google "Cloud Ready" printer. Printing still
> requires the Cloud, so the printer must have access to the internet.
>
> Now the printer has to connect to the Internet. No problem, they provide
> wifi all around the campus. No wired network in the dorms, but no problem,
> we get a wifi enabled printer. Pretty reasonably priced these days.
>
> Now here's the problem: Her college network has open access points, but once
> connected to the network, one has to log in with one's student ID and
> password.
>
> The question is, how do you get the wifi printer to do that?
>
> Wifi printers have ways to set network SSID and WPA or WEP passwords, but
> I've not seen one that allows you to log in to such a network. The printer
> would have to issue an HTTP request and somehow on this random web page find
> where it says "Login" or whatever word they use and "Password" and enter
> your credentials.  There might even be a policy which requires you to read
> and accept their terms.
>
> One solution would be to glue a Raspberry Pi to the back of the printer, and
> write a script (probably using Expect) on the pi to log in to the net and
> then route the internet to the printer via a short piece of CAT-5.
>
> But surely this problem is more generic. I know that many colleges use a
> similar scheme (I'm a teacher after all, I know this first hand), and other
> places like convention centers, hotels, airports, etc. Granted, if you work
> in these places, you could get a wired connection to your printer, but still
> it must show up.
>
> On top of that, cloud computing is really ideal for college students:
> (lightweight machine, great battery life, everything is in the cloud in case
> your laptop breaks, is lost or stolen), so I'd expect someone has figured
> out how to make this to work in that environment.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From ian at iansidle.com  Sun Sep 15 12:46:46 2013
From: ian at iansidle.com (Ian Sidle)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:46:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] OT: how to set up wireless printer on college network
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1379271603.28228.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
References: <mailman.3.1379271603.28228.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <1379274406.31376.22264625.00480F0B@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Well, this situation is all about the details so I can't really provide
a "automatic" solution that will work reliably. 

By chance, did you happen to see what the brand is of the wireless gear?
Normally it will say on the login page in the corner, or you can see a
logo on the side of the unit near her room. 

1)How is the authentication done? 
Most "hotspot" solutions redirect you to a website.
-Some of them use standard HTTPS AUTH, which is fairly easy to automate. 
-However, other use a webform that is filled out on the webpage and you
have to write you code so it puts in the credentials in the right form.
-Some use client side javascript to prevent automation 
-some have a hard limit on how many devices are allowed to be
authenticated at one time (normally two - one smartphone and one laptop
but occasionally one, so the printer sitting there all day will consume
a slot). 

2)What is the timeout situation like? 
-/Some/ wireless will keep you logged in until you disconnect from the
wireless network, forcing you to log back in.
-Others will send a redirected "pop-up" asking you to confirm you are
still online after X minutes.
-Others will just kick you off, kill all active connections and force
you to re-login again with zero notice. 
-Some also have bandwidth limits (say 500MB/day) and you just get cut
off until the next day. If there is a hard limit and you go over it,
then you are stuck until it rolls over to the next time period. 

Even after you spend hours hard coding a solution they might change
their security settings, or switch to a different brand of wireless
units and you have to start all over again. If you ever run into an
invisible limit where you get cut off, there isn't a way to code a way
to detect that unless you have run into that screen before. 

IMHO, the simplest and most flexible solution is to just fool mother and
do it all manually. 

Get two wireless access points, and setup one that is the "client" to
the schools network and then have a second one that is the "host" your
own "private" network. 

Since the chromebook supports 5ghz (802.11a) wireless, I *heavily*
recommend getting access points that support 5ghz for
performance/reliability reasons.

Having 2.4ghz on both ends, especially on a likely overloaded dorm
internet would be very painful, as they will be constantly fighting with
each other for airtime. 

Ideally, you would want to hardwire the printer into network, since it
probably doesn't support 5ghz mode and ethernet is easier to setup then
to find a compatible wireless adapter. 

Now, you just need to go into the login screen once on the laptop and
all of your devices (that are connected to your private network) will be
working, including the printer with no raspberry pi programming
required. A bonus, since you won't have to log in using the tiny
smartphone keyboard. 

If the network requires pop-ups in order to keep the connection alive,
they will show up on her laptop like normal and the authentication will
be handled for all devices at the same time. 

I would also like to point out to make sure that the subnet for your
private network is on is *different* than the one the school uses.
For example, if they use 192.168.*.whatever, then make sure to use
10.something or 172.16.whatever. Bad things will happen in weird and
unexpected ways if you have a double nat with both ends have the same
subnet. If you are lucky, they will give you public addresses and then
you don't have to worry about it but it entirely depends on how they set
it up. 

I'm sure someone will mention that setting up a network with double NAT
is a bad, which is true but they don't have control of what is happening
upstream, so this is just making lemonade out of the situation. 

If their wireless network sucks a lot (which there is probably a fairly
good chance), you can look into getting DSL/Cable internet in their dorm
room. Most campuses allow you to get a landline phone line (which works
for DSL) or getting Cable TV (which allows Cable Internet). In the big
picture, it isn't that expensive (~$30/month) and can make life a lot
better. 

Finding the address for the dorm room can be tricky (because they don't
have conventional addresses) and it will often be *different* than what
your mailbox address is. 

I would suggest you Ask your RA/Housing staff and someone should know
(just say you are trying to get a phone line - don't confuse them with
the details). 
You can try doing "Room # Juniper Hall, City,CA" and that was what
worked for me when I was living on campus. 
Depending on the local provider, they sometimes have a separate phone
number/agent that you contact because they have the rooms tracked in a
separate system.  


Hope this helps and let me know if you have any more questions.

thanks,
Ian



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Sep 16 12:41:30 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:41:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] REMINDER: BALUG TOMORROW Tu 2013-09-17: Peter Linnell on
	Open	Build Service (OBS); & other BALUG News
Message-ID: <20130916124130.20593rezd6w0lbsw@webmail.rawbw.com>

REMINDER: BALUG TOMORROW Tu 2013-09-17: Peter Linnell on Open Build  
Service (OBS); & other BALUG News

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-09-17: Peter Linnell on Open Build Service (OBS)
2013-10-15: Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph: Code Review for Systems Administrators
giveaways (CDs/DVDs, book(s), ...)
volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-09-17 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Peter Linnell on Open Build Service (OBS)[1]

The Open Build Server (OBS) - Even wished you could have a tool to
natively package your in-house applications? Peter Linnell will give a
high level overview of the Open Build Service (OBS), an open source
multi-platform package builder for all major Linux distributions.  A
complete integrated package building service which has as it goals:
reliable, scalable repeatable package builds for all major Linux
distributions and architectures.  The talk will feature an on-line demo
of OBS.

Peter Linnell is a SUSE[2] Engineer working with enterprise clients and
ISV/IHV partners in the Western US.  He has over a decade of experience
in open source projects, as a founder of and project leader of Scribus,
as well as participating in many open source projects.  Before joining
SUSE, he worked at Cloudera - the Hadoop startup in Silicon Valley.  He
is a founder and PMC of Apache Bigtop, the Hadoop integration and
packaging project, as well as Apache Stratos.  While living in Europe,
he was a technical project manager at INRIA, one of the world's leading
HPC research institutes.  At SUSE he has been part of the Big Data
Team, guiding the technical and strategy direction on BI/Big Data.

1. http://openbuildservice.org/
2. https://www.suse.com/

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                         rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                         6:30pm
                         Tuesday, September 17th, 2013 2013-09-17

                         Four Seas Restaurant
http://www.fourseasr.com/
                         731 Grant Ave.
                         San Francisco, CA 94108
                         Easy PARKING:
                           Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                           http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
            cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
            family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
            also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue).

------------------------------

For our 2013-10-15 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph[1] on Code Review for Systems Administrators

The OpenStack project uses a public code review system
and automated series of unit and integration tests before merging to
confirm that code submitted is adhering to project standards and
doesn't cause problems for other software in the stack.

The OpenStack Infrastructure team not only manages this system using
all open source tools, like Gerrit and Jenkins for review and testing,
but also uses the system themselves for reviewing and testing changes
being made to systems running the infrastructure itself. Puppet
configuration files, Python scripts and more are subjected to
automated syntax tests and then collaboratively reviewed in public by
community and core team members alike before approval.

This talk will give you a walk through of the actual software used to
accomplish this and how this process has allowed the team to have a
considerably open, collaborative approach to systems administration
for the project infrastructure.

Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph is an Automation and Tools Engineer at
HP[2] working on the OpenStack Infrastructure[3] team.  She is also a
member of the Ubuntu Community Council[4] and on the Board of
Directors for Partimus[5], a non-profit in the San Francisco Bay Area
providing Linux-based computers to schools in need.

1. http://www.princessleia.com/
2. http://www.hp.com/
3. http://ci.openstack.org/
4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil
5. http://partimus.org/

------------------------------

We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
likely have at least the below plus additional items, quite possibly
including some more electronics.

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=3Dbalug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

Book(s)!:
Oracle Solaris 11 System Administration
Thanks to Pearson's User Group program for providing these review
copies.  For details see:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-July/005034.html
Pearson User Group member page (member discounts: 35% off print,
45% off eBook):
http://www.informit.com/usergroupwelcome

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG (and add to your resume/experience)

Not only can you do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG,
but it can also be a way to gain useful and practical experience, and
could also be something to add to or round out one's resume.

There a quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us
at a meeting and/or drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o assist on publicity
o chief/assistant cat herder
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
    quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
    would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From jim at systemateka.com  Mon Sep 16 18:20:23 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:20:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] my new enormous laptop
Message-ID: <1379380823.9871.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


    I just got a 14" computer from Zareason. I've 
been using a 10" for the last couple of years. 
    This new one is huge! It's also 64 bits, which 
was a surprise to me--Tony (at Zareason) says 
64-bit Linux is fine these days, and if I want 
some old nostalgic 32-bit software, I just download 
the 32-bit libs and then the software. 

    It's got Ubuntu 12.04.3 on it. The keyboard and 
touchpad are much nicer--there's no sticky stuff on 
them. 
    It's got 8 GB RAM and 120GB SSD (about 100 GB of 
available storage. 
    It doesn't have Evolution, which I've been using 
for the last nearly 10 years. I'm debating whether 
to use Thunderbird instead, for a change (trouble is, 
I don't know anything to be able to debate the two) .

    God, it's enormously big and has buttons and 
stuff on it that even the kids at Zareason didn't 
know completely. Zareason's web site calls it "Alto 
4335"; there's no info as to the manufacturer. 
    On the bottom it's got a bunch of Chinese 
characters and "AQ12" and "EJORD000110 ST" after a 
bar code. 
    I'm glad I didn't buy a 15" job. I think I like 
it; I'll know after I wrestle with 12.04.*; good 
thing it's got an /etc/ directory. 
    I'm taking it to the SF-LUG meeting tonight. 









From samir at esamir.com  Mon Sep 16 19:46:42 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:46:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] my new enormous laptop
In-Reply-To: <1379380823.9871.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1379380823.9871.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ_pFkTj4Mr0SjsXqdH2XDq9=J87abGOx3B0dyjjYEoimQ@mail.gmail.com>

I bought a 17" laptop from them a year or 2 ago and haven't had much
luck with them.  I've been having
a lot of troubles with it.  I hope you have better luck.

I need to go drop it off again for maintenance when I have some free time.



On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
>     I just got a 14" computer from Zareason. I've
> been using a 10" for the last couple of years.
>     This new one is huge! It's also 64 bits, which
> was a surprise to me--Tony (at Zareason) says
> 64-bit Linux is fine these days, and if I want
> some old nostalgic 32-bit software, I just download
> the 32-bit libs and then the software.
>
>     It's got Ubuntu 12.04.3 on it. The keyboard and
> touchpad are much nicer--there's no sticky stuff on
> them.
>     It's got 8 GB RAM and 120GB SSD (about 100 GB of
> available storage.
>     It doesn't have Evolution, which I've been using
> for the last nearly 10 years. I'm debating whether
> to use Thunderbird instead, for a change (trouble is,
> I don't know anything to be able to debate the two) .
>
>     God, it's enormously big and has buttons and
> stuff on it that even the kids at Zareason didn't
> know completely. Zareason's web site calls it "Alto
> 4335"; there's no info as to the manufacturer.
>     On the bottom it's got a bunch of Chinese
> characters and "AQ12" and "EJORD000110 ST" after a
> bar code.
>     I'm glad I didn't buy a 15" job. I think I like
> it; I'll know after I wrestle with 12.04.*; good
> thing it's got an /etc/ directory.
>     I'm taking it to the SF-LUG meeting tonight.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 16 19:50:11 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:50:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] my new enormous laptop
In-Reply-To: <1379380823.9871.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1379380823.9871.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFG4BGwm_LUF+VBzSv1vO0_q4B0bv=g4L7p4vMLRqVJvAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
I elected to stay with evolution, exported the old and imported to the new
system.  Adding "evolution" to the title bar "envelope" menu:
...  The location was /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications, made a
file named "evolution" containing
"/usr/share/applications/evolution.desktop".  The only thing I ever noticed
missing in the 64 bit version of the 32 bit libs was for a Windows program,
Cardshop, running under Wine -- haven't bothered to fix, since I still dual
boot with a 32 bit 12.04.
Ken


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:

>
>     I just got a 14" computer from Zareason. I've
> been using a 10" for the last couple of years.
>     This new one is huge! It's also 64 bits, which
> was a surprise to me--Tony (at Zareason) says
> 64-bit Linux is fine these days, and if I want
> some old nostalgic 32-bit software, I just download
> the 32-bit libs and then the software.
>
>     It's got Ubuntu 12.04.3 on it. The keyboard and
> touchpad are much nicer--there's no sticky stuff on
> them.
>     It's got 8 GB RAM and 120GB SSD (about 100 GB of
> available storage.
>     It doesn't have Evolution, which I've been using
> for the last nearly 10 years. I'm debating whether
> to use Thunderbird instead, for a change (trouble is,
> I don't know anything to be able to debate the two) .
>
>     God, it's enormously big and has buttons and
> stuff on it that even the kids at Zareason didn't
> know completely. Zareason's web site calls it "Alto
> 4335"; there's no info as to the manufacturer.
>     On the bottom it's got a bunch of Chinese
> characters and "AQ12" and "EJORD000110 ST" after a
> bar code.
>     I'm glad I didn't buy a 15" job. I think I like
> it; I'll know after I wrestle with 12.04.*; good
> thing it's got an /etc/ directory.
>     I'm taking it to the SF-LUG meeting tonight.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 17 10:44:42 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:44:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Sep 18 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1379439882.42583.YahooMailNeo@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From jim at systemateka.com  Tue Sep 17 11:07:35 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:07:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] my new enormous laptop
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Thanks, Ken, 

    I'm inclined to stick with Evolution, but 
that's out of laziness. 
    Do you know of any significant tradeoff 
issues that distinguish either Evolution or 
Thunderbird email functionality as superior? 
(I don't use the contact or calendar or other 
features, just client email.) 

    Just to confirm: you used a text editor 
to create a file 
/usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/evolution 
that contained a single line of text 
"/usr/share/applications/evolution.desktop" 
with the result that right-clicking the 
envelope icon showed a choice for evolution. 
yes? 




On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 19:50 -0700, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> Jim,
> I elected to stay with evolution, exported the old and imported to the
> new system.  

> Adding "evolution" to the title bar "envelope" menu:
> ...  The location was /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications,
> made a file named "evolution" containing
> "/usr/share/applications/evolution.desktop".  

> The only thing I ever noticed missing in the 64 bit version of the 32
> bit libs was for a Windows program, Cardshop, running under Wine --
> haven't bothered to fix, since I still dual boot with a 32 bit 12.04.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>         
>             I just got a 14" computer from Zareason. I've
>         been using a 10" for the last couple of years.
>             This new one is huge! It's also 64 bits, which
>         was a surprise to me--Tony (at Zareason) says
>         64-bit Linux is fine these days, and if I want
>         some old nostalgic 32-bit software, I just download
>         the 32-bit libs and then the software.
>         
>             It's got Ubuntu 12.04.3 on it. The keyboard and
>         touchpad are much nicer--there's no sticky stuff on
>         them.
>             It's got 8 GB RAM and 120GB SSD (about 100 GB of
>         available storage.
>             It doesn't have Evolution, which I've been using
>         for the last nearly 10 years. I'm debating whether
>         to use Thunderbird instead, for a change (trouble is,
>         I don't know anything to be able to debate the two) .
>         
>             God, it's enormously big and has buttons and
>         stuff on it that even the kids at Zareason didn't
>         know completely. Zareason's web site calls it "Alto
>         4335"; there's no info as to the manufacturer.
>             On the bottom it's got a bunch of Chinese
>         characters and "AQ12" and "EJORD000110 ST" after a
>         bar code.
>             I'm glad I didn't buy a 15" job. I think I like
>         it; I'll know after I wrestle with 12.04.*; good
>         thing it's got an /etc/ directory.
>             I'm taking it to the SF-LUG meeting tonight.
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         sf-lug mailing list
>         sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>         http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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> 
> 





From jim at systemateka.com  Tue Sep 17 11:15:08 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:15:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] my new enormous laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFG4BGwm_LUF+VBzSv1vO0_q4B0bv=g4L7p4vMLRqVJvAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1379380823.9871.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAAMNwFG4BGwm_LUF+VBzSv1vO0_q4B0bv=g4L7p4vMLRqVJvAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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oh: and you also did 
# apt-get install evolution 
(or whatever is the correct package name), yes? 



On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 19:50 -0700, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> Jim,
> I elected to stay with evolution, exported the old and imported to the
> new system.  Adding "evolution" to the title bar "envelope" menu:
> ...  The location was /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications,
> made a file named "evolution" containing
> "/usr/share/applications/evolution.desktop".  The only thing I ever
> noticed missing in the 64 bit version of the 32 bit libs was for a
> Windows program, Cardshop, running under Wine -- haven't bothered to
> fix, since I still dual boot with a 32 bit 12.04.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>         
>             I just got a 14" computer from Zareason. I've
>         been using a 10" for the last couple of years.
>             This new one is huge! It's also 64 bits, which
>         was a surprise to me--Tony (at Zareason) says
>         64-bit Linux is fine these days, and if I want
>         some old nostalgic 32-bit software, I just download
>         the 32-bit libs and then the software.
>         
>             It's got Ubuntu 12.04.3 on it. The keyboard and
>         touchpad are much nicer--there's no sticky stuff on
>         them.
>             It's got 8 GB RAM and 120GB SSD (about 100 GB of
>         available storage.
>             It doesn't have Evolution, which I've been using
>         for the last nearly 10 years. I'm debating whether
>         to use Thunderbird instead, for a change (trouble is,
>         I don't know anything to be able to debate the two) .
>         
>             God, it's enormously big and has buttons and
>         stuff on it that even the kids at Zareason didn't
>         know completely. Zareason's web site calls it "Alto
>         4335"; there's no info as to the manufacturer.
>             On the bottom it's got a bunch of Chinese
>         characters and "AQ12" and "EJORD000110 ST" after a
>         bar code.
>             I'm glad I didn't buy a 15" job. I think I like
>         it; I'll know after I wrestle with 12.04.*; good
>         thing it's got an /etc/ directory.
>             I'm taking it to the SF-LUG meeting tonight.
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         sf-lug mailing list
>         sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>         http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>         Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> 
> 





From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 17 13:12:52 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:12:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] my new enormous laptop
In-Reply-To: <1379441708.9871.89.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1379380823.9871.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAAMNwFG4BGwm_LUF+VBzSv1vO0_q4B0bv=g4L7p4vMLRqVJvAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1379441708.9871.89.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFGmWNAnVdQOLS93Sgp7bavpLVLAcGVOyha1oP7zgo+qvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
I was not happy when evolution switched to a database storage instead of
flat files, but with the export, that really makes little difference.
evolution seems subject to a recursive drag and drop sort of directory
scrambling, which I can never remember causing, but have had to undo a few
times.  Otherwise, I'm lazy too, and don't have to worry about any
compatibility with Windows, where maybe Thunderbird might have the edge.
  Yes, just a text editor to create the file with the one line, which under
Unity, gives you right click access to evolution.
  Not even sure what package, if any, I had to install.  evolution should
do it, and bring in the other dozen or so packages.
Ken


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:

>
>
> oh: and you also did
> # apt-get install evolution
> (or whatever is the correct package name), yes?
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 19:50 -0700, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> > Jim,
> > I elected to stay with evolution, exported the old and imported to the
> > new system.  Adding "evolution" to the title bar "envelope" menu:
> > ...  The location was /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications,
> > made a file named "evolution" containing
> > "/usr/share/applications/evolution.desktop".  The only thing I ever
> > noticed missing in the 64 bit version of the 32 bit libs was for a
> > Windows program, Cardshop, running under Wine -- haven't bothered to
> > fix, since I still dual boot with a 32 bit 12.04.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >
> >             I just got a 14" computer from Zareason. I've
> >         been using a 10" for the last couple of years.
> >             This new one is huge! It's also 64 bits, which
> >         was a surprise to me--Tony (at Zareason) says
> >         64-bit Linux is fine these days, and if I want
> >         some old nostalgic 32-bit software, I just download
> >         the 32-bit libs and then the software.
> >
> >             It's got Ubuntu 12.04.3 on it. The keyboard and
> >         touchpad are much nicer--there's no sticky stuff on
> >         them.
> >             It's got 8 GB RAM and 120GB SSD (about 100 GB of
> >         available storage.
> >             It doesn't have Evolution, which I've been using
> >         for the last nearly 10 years. I'm debating whether
> >         to use Thunderbird instead, for a change (trouble is,
> >         I don't know anything to be able to debate the two) .
> >
> >             God, it's enormously big and has buttons and
> >         stuff on it that even the kids at Zareason didn't
> >         know completely. Zareason's web site calls it "Alto
> >         4335"; there's no info as to the manufacturer.
> >             On the bottom it's got a bunch of Chinese
> >         characters and "AQ12" and "EJORD000110 ST" after a
> >         bar code.
> >             I'm glad I didn't buy a 15" job. I think I like
> >         it; I'll know after I wrestle with 12.04.*; good
> >         thing it's got an /etc/ directory.
> >             I'm taking it to the SF-LUG meeting tonight.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         _______________________________________________
> >         sf-lug mailing list
> >         sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> >         http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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> >
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From mikkimc at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 18 22:13:27 2013
From: mikkimc at earthlink.net (Mikki)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:13:27 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [sf-lug] MINT  VS  UBUNTU  12.04  or 11.04
Message-ID: <3007858.1379567608088.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

HELLO, ALL

I am trying to decide which OS I should use in replacing eeeBuntu from my Asus eee machine.  I mentioned Kubuntu 12.04 to a friend, and he suggested Mint as a better OS, as my interests are more as a user, than a manipulator.  

I asked him why, and he replied :

"With Ubuntu 12.04, Ubuntu moved quite a bit around... so that it is hard to find features as they were in 11 and before.  It has also tried to get people to buy 'cloud services' and annoyed users with some of its commercial attempts.

Mint pretty much stuck with the format that Debian provided, so the user interface is much more like Ubuntu 11 and earlier.  I have shifts over to it and it plays nice.  I think you might be happier with it.

I too have gotten weary of the mad chase of technology and software updates." 


If you all have opinions on these choices, please respond with reasons.  

I want to Keep It Simple (stupid me?) instead of being innovative.  I am no remembering I was inclined to use U. 11.04, when I heard about 12.94, and have procrastinated as eeeBuntu was still working.   

Choice:  

U. 11.04
U  12.04
Mint.  



Bless All


Mikki




From rafa-el at att.net  Wed Sep 18 22:18:55 2013
From: rafa-el at att.net (Rafael Canonical)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:18:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] MINT  VS  UBUNTU  12.04  or 11.04
In-Reply-To: <3007858.1379567608088.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <3007858.1379567608088.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <147C0188-FC90-47E3-9471-29ED553F5AC1@att.net>

I installed Mint on my laptop about a month ago and havent had problems. I went with xfce, closest to gnome 2 Ive seen so far, but much more stable. 

Hth

Rafael



On Sep 18, 2013, at 22:13, Mikki <mikkimc at earthlink.net> wrote:

> HELLO, ALL
> 
> I am trying to decide which OS I should use in replacing eeeBuntu from my Asus eee machine.  I mentioned Kubuntu 12.04 to a friend, and he suggested Mint as a better OS, as my interests are more as a user, than a manipulator.  
> 
> I asked him why, and he replied :
> 
> "With Ubuntu 12.04, Ubuntu moved quite a bit around... so that it is hard to find features as they were in 11 and before.  It has also tried to get people to buy 'cloud services' and annoyed users with some of its commercial attempts.
> 
> Mint pretty much stuck with the format that Debian provided, so the user interface is much more like Ubuntu 11 and earlier.  I have shifts over to it and it plays nice.  I think you might be happier with it.
> 
> I too have gotten weary of the mad chase of technology and software updates." 
> 
> 
> If you all have opinions on these choices, please respond with reasons.  
> 
> I want to Keep It Simple (stupid me?) instead of being innovative.  I am no remembering I was inclined to use U. 11.04, when I heard about 12.94, and have procrastinated as eeeBuntu was still working.   
> 
> Choice:  
> 
> U. 11.04
> U  12.04
> Mint.  
> 
> 
> 
> Bless All
> 
> 
> Mikki
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From algoldor at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 19 03:21:47 2013
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] MINT  VS  UBUNTU  12.04  or 11.04
In-Reply-To: <3007858.1379567608088.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <3007858.1379567608088.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1379586107.11094.YahooMailNeo@web121501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi toa ll,
I had Asus eee Pc for many years, using Ubuntu for 3 years or so till the 12.04 which I really did not like - I do not like unity or how you call it and it was kind of tricky for me in several ways (also that commercial things which I did not like). I tried to Install Mint then but I had issues with USB bootable device which I did not manage to sort - the installation got stucked several times. I used the same device to install Ubuntu 12.04 and no problem, smooth first try. After that I played with Ubuntu and stayed with it for another several months or so, now I'm running Mint on my new desktop computer and I'm quite happy.

I have been told that Mint is faster than Ubuntu (if similar disctributions are compared) but if that is so or not I'm not sure.


Best of luck with the project,

Sincerely from Jeju,

?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi



________________________________
 From: Mikki <mikkimc at earthlink.net>
To: Linux userGroup <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:13 PM
Subject: [sf-lug] MINT  VS  UBUNTU  12.04  or 11.04
 

HELLO, ALL

I am trying to decide which OS I should use in replacing eeeBuntu from my Asus eee machine.? I mentioned Kubuntu 12.04 to a friend, and he suggested Mint as a better OS, as my interests are more as a user, than a manipulator.? 

I asked him why, and he replied :

"With Ubuntu 12.04, Ubuntu moved quite a bit around... so that it is hard to find features as they were in 11 and before.? It has also tried to get people to buy 'cloud services' and annoyed users with some of its commercial attempts.

Mint pretty much stuck with the format that Debian provided, so the user interface is much more like Ubuntu 11 and earlier.? I have shifts over to it and it plays nice.? I think you might be happier with it.

I too have gotten weary of the mad chase of technology and software updates." 


If you all have opinions on these choices, please respond with reasons.? 

I want to Keep It Simple (stupid me?) instead of being innovative.? I am no remembering I was inclined to use U. 11.04, when I heard about 12.94, and have procrastinated as eeeBuntu was still working.? 

Choice:? 

U. 11.04
U? 12.04
Mint.? 



Bless All


Mikki


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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Sep 19 10:50:56 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:50:56 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] MINT  VS  UBUNTU  12.04  or 11.04
In-Reply-To: <3007858.1379567608088.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <3007858.1379567608088.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20130919175055.GK18436@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Mikki (mikkimc at earthlink.net):

> If you all have opinions on these choices, please respond with reasons.  

Here's a thought:  Try one, then wipe and reinstall with the other, then
decide which one you like better.  Iterate as long as there are
attractive prospects you'd like to try.  It really doesn't take that
much time and effort, and you're the best judge of what you like.

Give each serious candidate at least a couple of weeks, to make sure you
get some sense of what it's like to -live- with the thing as opposed to
merely installing it.  Far too many people judge Linux distros based
primarily on the installer, which is over time the aspect that matters
least of all.

Additional thought:  Try out distros in virtual machines under something
like VirtualBox.





From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Sep 19 12:13:18 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:13:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] MINT  VS  UBUNTU  12.04  or 11.04
In-Reply-To: <1379586107.11094.YahooMailNeo@web121501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <3007858.1379567608088.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<1379586107.11094.YahooMailNeo@web121501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20130919191318.GO18436@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Frantisek Apfelbeck (algoldor at yahoo.com):

> Hi toa ll,

Gree tings.

> I had Asus eee Pc for many years, using Ubuntu for 3 years or so till
> the 12.04 which I really did not like - I do not like unity or how you
> call it and it was kind of tricky for me in several ways (also that
> commercial things which I did not like). I tried to Install Mint then
> but I had issues with USB bootable device which I did not manage to
> sort - the installation got stucked several times. I used the same
> device to install Ubuntu 12.04 and no problem, smooth first try. After
> that I played with Ubuntu and stayed with it for another several
> months or so, now I'm running Mint on my new desktop computer and I'm
> quite happy.

Just as a reminder:  People are always welcome to come down to CABAL
meetings in the wildlands of Menlo Park (2nd and 4th Saturdays, 4pm to
midnight), and we'll be glad to walk you through installation of those
or just about any Linux or BSD onto just about any hardware.

http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/ 




From kai.salmon.chang at gmail.com  Thu Sep 19 14:24:22 2013
From: kai.salmon.chang at gmail.com (Kai Chang)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:24:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] MINT VS UBUNTU 12.04 or 11.04
In-Reply-To: <20130919191318.GO18436@linuxmafia.com>
References: <3007858.1379567608088.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<1379586107.11094.YahooMailNeo@web121501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20130919191318.GO18436@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <CANAA+n8H3sOmLVSiJL7QX_w6prxMhRF6t-PTTGxWxjdjpBwAtA@mail.gmail.com>

I tried the new elementaryOS recently and quite liked it. I will probably
use that when setting up computers for new Linux users rather than Ubuntu
or Mint. It's based on Ubuntu, so you'll get similar driver support to
12.04.

http://elementaryos.org/

I may use it myself when they update to the new installer that supports
full-disk encryption. That video makes it look like an OS X clone, but I
found it's a well-thought out distro that takes good ideas from KDE,
Windows, and OS X. It's quite fast, compared to Compiz or Unity, so
hopefully it performs well on eee.


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Quoting Frantisek Apfelbeck (algoldor at yahoo.com):
>
> > Hi toa ll,
>
> Gree tings.
>
> > I had Asus eee Pc for many years, using Ubuntu for 3 years or so till
> > the 12.04 which I really did not like - I do not like unity or how you
> > call it and it was kind of tricky for me in several ways (also that
> > commercial things which I did not like). I tried to Install Mint then
> > but I had issues with USB bootable device which I did not manage to
> > sort - the installation got stucked several times. I used the same
> > device to install Ubuntu 12.04 and no problem, smooth first try. After
> > that I played with Ubuntu and stayed with it for another several
> > months or so, now I'm running Mint on my new desktop computer and I'm
> > quite happy.
>
> Just as a reminder:  People are always welcome to come down to CABAL
> meetings in the wildlands of Menlo Park (2nd and 4th Saturdays, 4pm to
> midnight), and we'll be glad to walk you through installation of those
> or just about any Linux or BSD onto just about any hardware.
>
> http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Sep 20 08:44:12 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 08:44:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting of 16 September 2013 and some barely related
	topics, 
Message-ID: <523C6D4C.6020309@dslextreme.com>

     Well this was a very small meeting.

     Only Jason and Jim showed up besides myself.
     Jason can listen to his encrypted music using a live CD but
so far was unable to copy the files from or decrypt the encrypted partition
where his entertainment files live.   The OS on his hard disk failed and 
will
not boot due to a related problem.  He tried some things out about copying
the tunes off the encrypted partition and by doing so learned a bit more.

     I brought along my ASUS Android Tablet. I am still working at getting
this device ready to try GNU/Linux.  Managed to find and download a tool
but that was all I did.   I run into the same problem as with other "extra"
computers in that I only have so much time to work with this device. So
before the meeting I had only been able to spend a couple of hours since
the last meeting.  I have spent more time since the meeting with it 
trying out a rooting tool but had no luck.  But slowly getting better 
understanding of the
problem I am attempting to deal with.

     Have also watch a lot of video about beginners or near beginners being
introduced to various operating systems of the past and present.
     Know better about several topics including Arch Linux and CrunchBang
aka #! 11 which is very sparing of system resources handy for older low 
specced
computers.  One of the older systems introduced in this series is Amiga 
OS 1.1
from 1985.   I started with 1.2 and updated immediately to AOS 1.3.
Some of you might want to look at these at the URL below:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9SEc3wnO60o>
I was interested in the ArchLinux because it is one of the Linux distros 
suited for
use on a tablet.   The title of this particular video is "Mum tries out 
CrunchBang Linux 11 (2013)".  She also tries out a lot of other stuff. 
And it might be good
for people who try to set up machines for relatives or paying customers 
to watch
to see how little of a computer some people want when "Mum tries out 
Arch Linux".
Her son is very knowlegeable.

Jim's new Zareason notebook looks very nice but with Ubuntu 12.04 on
it i was lucky to be able to find the Console(Terminal) icon. The only nice
thing I can find to say about Ubuntu is that the color scheme is very 
nice if
you like red.   But the GUI seems to be fairly inflexible with a task 
bar at
the top of the screen and a left side bar that has a iconic menu that 
will let
you attach icons  of the program  you are most interested in using to 
that bar.
No way to by-pass the icon menu for a text menu it seems.
     The specifications on this notebook seem to be low.  It seems to 
have a
2.5 GHz Intel i3 (dual core processor) and while it has 8 GiB of ram it has
what appears at first to be a small hard drive of 120 GiB. However the
hard drive is actually a Solid State drive.  It boots with _great_ speed
something I have not seen since the Commodore 64 which is a another
kettle of fish altogether.
     Congratulations Jim you picked a winner.
     Next meeting at Cafe Enchante will be on October 6.

     Bobbie Sellers



From jim at systemateka.com  Fri Sep 20 12:49:55 2013
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:49:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting of 16 September 2013 and some barely related
 topics, 
In-Reply-To: <523C6D4C.6020309@dslextreme.com>
References: <523C6D4C.6020309@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1379706595.9871.153.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    One aspect of Jason's problem that I've 
seen before is that of the enthusiastic 
friend, who, in this case, set up Jason's 
computer for him because he, the friend, was 
expert. This friend created an encrypted 
directory or filesystem and somehow he and/or 
Jason got balled up with Jason now in a bind. 
    The friend seems no longer to be available 
to help out. 
    I think it is risky to let someone else 
set up your machine for you. Better to ask 
them to tell you what you should do, no 
matter how painful the process. 



On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 08:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Well this was a very small meeting.
> 
>      Only Jason and Jim showed up besides myself.
>      Jason can listen to his encrypted music using a live CD but
> so far was unable to copy the files from or decrypt the encrypted partition
> where his entertainment files live.   The OS on his hard disk failed and 
> will
> not boot due to a related problem.  He tried some things out about copying
> the tunes off the encrypted partition and by doing so learned a bit more.
> 
>      I brought along my ASUS Android Tablet. I am still working at getting
> this device ready to try GNU/Linux.  Managed to find and download a tool
> but that was all I did.   I run into the same problem as with other "extra"
> computers in that I only have so much time to work with this device. So
> before the meeting I had only been able to spend a couple of hours since
> the last meeting.  I have spent more time since the meeting with it 
> trying out a rooting tool but had no luck.  But slowly getting better 
> understanding of the
> problem I am attempting to deal with.
> 
>      Have also watch a lot of video about beginners or near beginners being
> introduced to various operating systems of the past and present.
>      Know better about several topics including Arch Linux and CrunchBang
> aka #! 11 which is very sparing of system resources handy for older low 
> specced
> computers.  One of the older systems introduced in this series is Amiga 
> OS 1.1
> from 1985.   I started with 1.2 and updated immediately to AOS 1.3.
> Some of you might want to look at these at the URL below:
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9SEc3wnO60o>
> I was interested in the ArchLinux because it is one of the Linux distros 
> suited for
> use on a tablet.   The title of this particular video is "Mum tries out 
> CrunchBang Linux 11 (2013)".  She also tries out a lot of other stuff. 
> And it might be good
> for people who try to set up machines for relatives or paying customers 
> to watch
> to see how little of a computer some people want when "Mum tries out 
> Arch Linux".
> Her son is very knowlegeable.
> 
> Jim's new Zareason notebook looks very nice but with Ubuntu 12.04 on
> it i was lucky to be able to find the Console(Terminal) icon. The only nice
> thing I can find to say about Ubuntu is that the color scheme is very 
> nice if
> you like red.   But the GUI seems to be fairly inflexible with a task 
> bar at
> the top of the screen and a left side bar that has a iconic menu that 
> will let
> you attach icons  of the program  you are most interested in using to 
> that bar.
> No way to by-pass the icon menu for a text menu it seems.
>      The specifications on this notebook seem to be low.  It seems to 
> have a
> 2.5 GHz Intel i3 (dual core processor) and while it has 8 GiB of ram it has
> what appears at first to be a small hard drive of 120 GiB. However the
> hard drive is actually a Solid State drive.  It boots with _great_ speed
> something I have not seen since the Commodore 64 which is a another
> kettle of fish altogether.
>      Congratulations Jim you picked a winner.
>      Next meeting at Cafe Enchante will be on October 6.
> 
>      Bobbie Sellers
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/





From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 24 17:01:47 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:01:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Sep 25 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1380067307.79187.YahooMailNeo@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting 
at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Wed Sep 25 11:10:46 2013
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:10:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Software Freedom Day 2013
Message-ID: <CAFoGK8G27=gQ8Dearm6eE+odNp7GqsjdtbY8VkLkRdqM5Nsp1g@mail.gmail.com>

We are hosting Software Freedom Day tomorrow, September 26, 2013 on main
campus at SF State University. 1600 Holloway Ave, San Francisco, CA 94132
from 10AM to 1PM.

http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2013/USA/CA/San%20Francisco/San%20Francisco%20State%20University

Come by, bring stuff to show off and/or share.

Hope to see you all tomorrow!

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Professor, Information Systems
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://commons.sfsu.edu/
http://olpcsf.org/
http://olpcjamaica.org.jm/
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Sep 26 09:53:38 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:53:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Help with Review
In-Reply-To: <8cd13659-ff2f-48a7-b7d6-ec84e6240879@googlegroups.com>
References: <8cd13659-ff2f-48a7-b7d6-ec84e6240879@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <52446692.3050302@dslextreme.com>


	Hi Luggers,
	   Occasionally I read a post here from one or two people who might be 
interested in this matter.  I am sure there are one or two people here 
who might be able to help this poster with some information
if they care enough.  [encloses my remark or understanding]

	Bobbie Sellers


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Help with Review
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:22:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: MEhak Patel <mehak.guru99 at gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.setup

I have just launched this Linux Course course
<http://www.guru99.com/unix-linux-tutorial.html>
Though I made every effort to cover all topics, I think there is room 
for improvement in the course material
Can you [help with] expert advice?





From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Sep 26 10:59:45 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:59:45 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Help with Review
In-Reply-To: <52446692.3050302@dslextreme.com>
References: <8cd13659-ff2f-48a7-b7d6-ec84e6240879@googlegroups.com>
	<52446692.3050302@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20130926175945.GR9203@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> 	Hi Luggers,
> 	   Occasionally I read a post here from one or two people who might
> be interested in this matter.  I am sure there are one or two people
> here who might be able to help this poster with some information
> if they care enough.  [encloses my remark or understanding]

Thank you for any and all interesting cross-posts from the Usenet
comp.os.linux.* newsgroups, Bobbie.




From michael.ayres at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 26 12:09:14 2013
From: michael.ayres at yahoo.com (Michael Ayres)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:09:14 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] MacBook Pro OSX Mountain Lion 10.8 BSD PATH variable
Message-ID: <3748B40F-33AF-4727-8157-F659BF8B1A05@yahoo.com>

Hi, I need to so directories to my PATH setting in order install and some Ada and Fink things. Getting wide solutions, and none work so far, ought to be so simple...


Sent from my iPhone


From jackofnotrades at gmail.com  Thu Sep 26 12:32:30 2013
From: jackofnotrades at gmail.com (Jeff Bragg)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:32:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] MacBook Pro OSX Mountain Lion 10.8 BSD PATH variable
In-Reply-To: <3748B40F-33AF-4727-8157-F659BF8B1A05@yahoo.com>
References: <3748B40F-33AF-4727-8157-F659BF8B1A05@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ4sp-UWpG4dkOz6jCDTkLemV0gN4rKke-G4fz3E4yhrn9-Wbw@mail.gmail.com>

If I understand correctly, you need to add paths onto PATH so that Ada
and/or Fink can find something in them.  What have you tried so far?  Are
the relevant processes running under your user, or do they have a dedicated
user?


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Michael Ayres <michael.ayres at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi, I need to so directories to my PATH setting in order install and some
> Ada and Fink things. Getting wide solutions, and none work so far, ought to
> be so simple...
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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>



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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 27 11:12:43 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:12:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] machine fails to wake fully from suspend
Message-ID: <5245CA9B.3040306@gmail.com>

hi,

thinkpad t61p and t61 both have this problem

one is running xubuntu; one is lubuntu. both up to date 13.04

suspend works fine but on wake from suspend machine hangs. opening 
terminal shows many error messages scrolling by too fast to capture and 
making it difficult to type on the command line. only solution i've 
found is to power cycle.

was intermittent seems to have gotten worse in past few weeks.

tips?



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Sep 27 13:49:27 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:49:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] machine fails to wake fully from suspend
In-Reply-To: <5245CA9B.3040306@gmail.com>
References: <5245CA9B.3040306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130927204927.GG9203@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):

> hi,
> 
> thinkpad t61p and t61 both have this problem
> 
> one is running xubuntu; one is lubuntu. both up to date 13.04

I adore those machines.  They differ only in that the 'p' has an ATI
video chipset, while the base model has Intel video.

> suspend works fine but on wake from suspend machine hangs. opening
> terminal shows many error messages scrolling by too fast to capture
> and making it difficult to type on the command line. only solution
> i've found is to power cycle.
> 
> was intermittent seems to have gotten worse in past few weeks.
> 
> tips?

The 'intermittent' bit is what makes it odd.  Otherwise, what I would
have said is that suspend (and ACPI in general) is sometimes twitchy
with particular combinations of laptop firmware and particular Linux
kernels.  Often, the best place to start with Thinkpad problems is on
applicable pages of Thinkwiki, such as 

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T61p
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume

I see no magic bullet, there, so personally what I'd do is see what
happens with a stable-series kernel.org kernel.  (Ubuntu like most
distros provides somewhat modeified 'vendor kernels'.)  And yes, I do
mean sitting down and compiling a kernel.  It's not difficult and is a
useful learning experience.  (Use make-kpkg,
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile.)  And you might was
well blend in the TuxOnIce patch, while you're at it:
http://tuxonice.nigelcunningham.com.au/

Just make sure you retain the GRUB stanza for your existing kernel(s),
so you are immune from burning your bridges.




From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 27 15:00:56 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:00:56 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] machine fails to wake fully from suspend
In-Reply-To: <20130927204927.GG9203@linuxmafia.com>
References: <5245CA9B.3040306@gmail.com> <20130927204927.GG9203@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <52460018.2080805@gmail.com>



On 09/27/2013 01:49 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):
>
>> hi,
>>
>> thinkpad t61p and t61 both have this problem
>>
>> one is running xubuntu; one is lubuntu. both up to date 13.04
>
> I adore those machines.  They differ only in that the 'p' has an ATI
> video chipset, while the base model has Intel video.
>
>> suspend works fine but on wake from suspend machine hangs. opening
>> terminal shows many error messages scrolling by too fast to capture
>> and making it difficult to type on the command line. only solution
>> i've found is to power cycle.
>>
>> was intermittent seems to have gotten worse in past few weeks.
>>
>> tips?
>
> The 'intermittent' bit is what makes it odd.  Otherwise, what I would
> have said is that suspend (and ACPI in general) is sometimes twitchy
> with particular combinations of laptop firmware and particular Linux
> kernels.  Often, the best place to start with Thinkpad problems is on
> applicable pages of Thinkwiki, such as
>
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T61p
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume
>
> I see no magic bullet, there, so personally what I'd do is see what
> happens with a stable-series kernel.org kernel.  (Ubuntu like most
> distros provides somewhat modeified 'vendor kernels'.)  And yes, I do
> mean sitting down and compiling a kernel.  It's not difficult and is a
> useful learning experience.  (Use make-kpkg,
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile.)  And you might was
> well blend in the TuxOnIce patch, while you're at it:
> http://tuxonice.nigelcunningham.com.au/
>
> Just make sure you retain the GRUB stanza for your existing kernel(s),
> so you are immune from burning your bridges.

Thanks for the tip. I will try this. I should add that the worsening of 
the intermittent behavior is to the point of 100%, so perhaps your 
original theory is right.

I'm not afraid of compiling the kernel. I used to use Gentoo before I 
switched to Ubuntu.

Thanks again,
Michael



From alchaiken at gmail.com  Sat Sep 28 16:22:29 2013
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:22:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] machine fails to wake fully from suspend
Message-ID: <CAKoGHGX5AjjKwSAZ8RoPQGDQ=vav0xEpwEssjxeXtmkmtz1o_w@mail.gmail.com>

There's no reason to compile the kernel whatsoever.   Either Ubuntu or
Debian repositories can provide new packages.   Edit
/etc/apt/sources.list to add a new repository that has, as Rick
suggested, a newer stable kernel.    Type

apt-get update
apt-cache pkgnames | grep linux-image

Pick the newest 3.10 one and type

apt-get install <pkgname>

You should get the headers you need to, and grub2 will run and modify
/boot/grub for you.   With an up-to-date Ubuntu, you will have grub2,
so you SHOULD NOT use an editor to configure grub.    See the wondrous
Shallow Thoughts blog of the marvelous Akkana for some wise thoughts
on both grub2 and kernel compilation.

Compiling your own kernel is fun, of course, but if you're trying to
solve a different problem, that's not how I would start!

Good luck,
Alison

-- 
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)                       {she-devel.com,
exerciseforthereader.org}
"Sadly, in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man has trouble
ruling.   Everyone is busy trying to take that eye out."  -- Bob Lutz



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Sat Sep 28 23:08:01 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 23:08:01 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] machine fails to wake fully from suspend
In-Reply-To: <CAKoGHGX5AjjKwSAZ8RoPQGDQ=vav0xEpwEssjxeXtmkmtz1o_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKoGHGX5AjjKwSAZ8RoPQGDQ=vav0xEpwEssjxeXtmkmtz1o_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130929060801.GA9203@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Alison Chaiken (alchaiken at gmail.com):

> There's no reason to compile the kernel whatsoever.   Either Ubuntu or
> Debian repositories can provide new packages.

Yeah, naturally try packaged binary kernels first!  It's perverse to go
compile your own unless you have a reason to.  

I was actually assuming Michael had already exhausted his options in
what (at least) Ubuntu offered in that department, but maybe not.  (He
didn't specify what kernel package; he just said 'up to date 13.04'.)




From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 29 08:36:12 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:36:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] machine fails to wake fully from suspend
In-Reply-To: <20130929060801.GA9203@linuxmafia.com>
References: <CAKoGHGX5AjjKwSAZ8RoPQGDQ=vav0xEpwEssjxeXtmkmtz1o_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130929060801.GA9203@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <524848EC.1000606@gmail.com>



On 09/28/2013 11:08 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Alison Chaiken (alchaiken at gmail.com):
>
>> There's no reason to compile the kernel whatsoever.   Either Ubuntu or
>> Debian repositories can provide new packages.
>
> Yeah, naturally try packaged binary kernels first!  It's perverse to go
> compile your own unless you have a reason to.
>
> I was actually assuming Michael had already exhausted his options in
> what (at least) Ubuntu offered in that department, but maybe not.  (He
> didn't specify what kernel package; he just said 'up to date 13.04'.)
>

Actually, good catch. I had not exhausted those options. Indirectly, 
though, you seem to have prompted the solution:

While adding a repository for a recent packaged binary kernel, I noticed 
that while I was using the open source driver for my video card, there 
was a binary tested driver at the top of the list. On a whim I tried 
that, and my problem seems to have gone away, over about half a dozen tests.

Thanks everyone, and I certainly learned from the conversation. First 
try packaged binaries before contemplating compiling one's own.

Thanks again,
Michael



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Sun Sep 29 10:03:38 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:03:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] machine fails to wake fully from suspend
In-Reply-To: <524848EC.1000606@gmail.com>
References: <CAKoGHGX5AjjKwSAZ8RoPQGDQ=vav0xEpwEssjxeXtmkmtz1o_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130929060801.GA9203@linuxmafia.com> <524848EC.1000606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130929170337.GB9203@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):

> While adding a repository for a recent packaged binary kernel, I
> noticed that while I was using the open source driver for my video
> card, there was a binary tested driver at the top of the list. On a
> whim I tried that, and my problem seems to have gone away, over
> about half a dozen tests.

Those proprietary drivers do become a permanent maintenance problem.

Congratulations on escaping from the (I assume) fglrx driver, and
welcome back to open source.




From sverma at sfsu.edu  Mon Sep 30 12:09:59 2013
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:09:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] OLPC SF Community Summit 2013
Message-ID: <CAFoGK8GyFqRjEOY5wnJswaCJg2oDNWmTaLjvE0LtDAVfdpbUqg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings and a Happy GNU 30 to you!

OLPC San Francisco will be hosting its fifth community summit this year.
Although called OLPC *SF* Community Summit, the event attracts people from
all over the world. We see representation from places like Mongolia,
Uruguay, Chad, India, Jamaica, Tuva and the Marshall Islands.

3 million laptops running Fedora and Sugar and GNOME! (and, just to be
clear, *none* have actually shipped with Windows. Ever.)

The newest in the line of XO laptops is the XO-4 Touch, running a
multi-core ARM processor from Marvell. The touch isn't capacitive or
resistive, but is implemented using a light grid! We have 5 year olds who
can modify "Pong" written in Python. We have the first gen kids showing up
at Google Summer of Code. More cool and good stuff at the event.

The event will be from Oct 18-20. The schedule will be filling up shortly
at http://www.olpcsf.org/CommunitySummit2013/schedule

Registration is open http://www.olpcsf.org/CommunitySummit2013/registration

We hope to see you at the summit!

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Professor, Information Systems
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://commons.sfsu.edu/
http://olpcsf.org/
http://olpcjamaica.org.jm/
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Sep 30 12:39:54 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:39:54 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug Meeting next Sunday, October 6, 2013
Message-ID: <5249D38A.3090307@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.    Regarding Linux Pro magazine it is just piling up at the
Fog City News due to dropping sales.  I can easily foresee the
end of this useful magazine in the near future.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention!

     Bobbie Sellers