From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Apr  1 13:24:01 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:24:01 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday April 8,
Message-ID: <5159ECE1.7040609@dslextreme.com>

No joke though today is April first.

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 4 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From eriktrips at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 15:27:18 2013
From: eriktrips at gmail.com (Erik Schneider)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:27:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Dual-booting #! Linux (Debian-based) and OS X on a
	MacBook Air
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1364842802.1371.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
References: <mailman.1.1364842802.1371.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <45213E8D-84F9-4710-88B3-B79661E8654F@gmail.com>

Thank you both! 

Links submitted. Happy to do it.

Erik 

Erik JM Schneider
blog.eriktrips.com
onelastditch.com
undia.gnosed.net

On 01 Apr 2013, at 12:00, sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com wrote:

> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 19:28:41 -0700
> From: Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero at gmail.com>
> 
> Nice work, Erik.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:48:52 -0700
> 
> Very nicely done, sir.
> 
> I would ask if you would please submit your
> http://eriktrips.com/2013/03/31/dual-booting-crunchbang-linux-and-os-x-lion-on-a-macbook-air-41/
> page as a new entry on 
> http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html
> 
> ...and also on
> http://tuxmobil.org/apple.html
> 
> Thanks!



From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 19:37:34 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:37:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday April 8,
In-Reply-To: <5159ECE1.7040609@dslextreme.com>
References: <5159ECE1.7040609@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFHF_3ZL+Dc-RB+eURis09j=hTjA11VRDDGmJW1Y2pjQ7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bobbie,
Did you see a posting from me about Secure Boot of Ubuntu on a Toshiba?  I
see it in the archives, but never saw it show up in my mail, so was
wondering if it ever got out.  I originally messed up the address, so wound
up with the message also incl as html, which got stripped, and maybe
stopped the posting.  If you didn't see it, I'll repost.
Ken


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com
> wrote:

> No joke though today is April first.
>
>     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
> at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.
>
>     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
> year so far of 4 members.   If you have a problem come along
> and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
> who can.
>     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
> along.
>
>        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
> to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
> to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
> parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
>  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
> or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
> to end the meeting.
>
>     Thanks for your attention
>
>     Bobbie Sellers
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/**listinfo/sf-lug<http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug>
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Apr  1 20:11:42 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:11:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] visibility of posts to poster xRe: SF Lug meeting Sunday
 April 8, 
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFHF_3ZL+Dc-RB+eURis09j=hTjA11VRDDGmJW1Y2pjQ7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5159ECE1.7040609@dslextreme.com>
	<CAAMNwFHF_3ZL+Dc-RB+eURis09j=hTjA11VRDDGmJW1Y2pjQ7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515A4C6E.4010006@dslextreme.com>

On 04/01/2013 07:37 PM, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> Hi Bobbie,
> Did you see a posting from me about Secure Boot of Ubuntu on a 
> Toshiba?  I see it in the archives, but never saw it show up in my 
> mail, so was wondering if it ever got out.  I originally messed up the 
> address, so wound up with the message also incl as html, which got 
> stripped, and maybe stopped the posting.  If you didn't see it, I'll 
> repost.
> Ken

     Ken your post came through to me just fine.
     I see you are using gmail and that system does not allow you to see
your own posts.  As a matter of fact it actively attempts to keep you
from seeing anything you post to a mailing list.
     I have a similar account though through my ISP which is actually
another gmail account.  Not being able to see my own posts is
entirely frustrating.  Thus if I make an obvious error due to being
in a rush as I did posting the meeting notice I have to wait for
some generous person to correct or question the post or meeting
notice.
     And I think you have to be congratulated on your work with
the Toshiba.

     Bobbie

      snip of previous posting.



From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr  3 07:57:14 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 07:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1365001034.2997.YahooMailRC@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From mikkimc at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  7 08:37:53 2013
From: mikkimc at earthlink.net (Mikki McGee)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 08:37:53 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] help needed in Arizona
Message-ID: <516192D1.2080404@earthlink.net>

Hello, all;

    A friend in Arizona sent me the following, and I am not sure how to 
help.  I suggested he contact ASU-LUG.org., at Ariz. State U.  I also 
said I would forward this to you at sf-lug.  He didn't state what his OS 
is, and being a computer cluzt myself, I don't know it it matters  (I 
have seen Ubuntu 6.6 used to read other systems.)

Bless All


Mikki



My newest computer, Acer, only 13 months old!, something got corrupted, 
can't complete bootup. keeps recycling, repair and system restore 
functions don't help, no recovery disc avail, but understand I can make 
Ubuntu dvd and run that on the Acer, then copy all my files, esp. fotos, 
then wipe hard drive and reset system to a New Beginning!...does that 
sound right to U? will wanna work on this later, in between cooking and 
planting new trees, flowers, and doing a little rock work in the front 
"lawn" ( ha ha...hardly any grass in Tucson)...one of my poems 
begins..."I walked upon the grass today, barefooted.......there's not a 
lot of grass in Tucson.....it was a short walk...."...(poem still under 
construction)...miss u all...God bless.



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From akkana at shallowsky.com  Sun Apr  7 10:18:10 2013
From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:18:10 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] help needed in Arizona
In-Reply-To: <516192D1.2080404@earthlink.net>
References: <516192D1.2080404@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20130407171809.GA1741@shallowsky.com>

Mikki McGee writes:
>    A friend in Arizona sent me the following, and I am not sure how
> to help.  I suggested he contact ASU-LUG.org., at Ariz. State U.

A couple of links gotten from googling:

Ubuntu Arizona LoCo: http://azloco.com/
and channel #ubuntu-us-az on freenode.

The Tucson Free Unix Group, http://www.tfug.org/
but it looks like they might be dead.

It doesn't look like there's much going on in Tucson specifically,
but hooking up with the AZ LoCo might lead to links to Tucson-area
LUGs or individuals.

	...Akkana



From mikkimc at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  7 12:52:41 2013
From: mikkimc at earthlink.net (Mikki McGee)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:52:41 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] update on friend in Az.
Message-ID: <5161CE89.9030507@earthlink.net>

Op sys is Win 7 Home Premium; thought u knew!


Bless All

Mikki



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Apr  8 10:08:27 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:08:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Monday April 15, 2013
Message-ID: <5162F98B.40607@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     The Sunday meeting was lively and the report will be
out shortly in a separate posting.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 5 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Tue Apr  9 04:09:48 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 04:09:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2013-04-16: Wikimedia Foundation;
	& other BALUG News
Message-ID: <20130409040948.11987c1wttxj97ok@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG Tu 2013-04-16: Wikimedia Foundation; & other BALUG News

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-04-16: Wikimedia Foundation
2013-05-21: Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) - Seth David Schoen
2013-03-19: "slides" from: Stefano Maffulli (OpenStack)
CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.
volunteering to help BALUG
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2013-04-16

For our 2013-04-16 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Wikimedia Foundation[1]

Come hear from Ryan Lane[2] (DevOps), Daniel Zahn[3] (DevOps) and
Quim Gil[4] (Technical Contributor Coordinator) of the Wikimedia
Foundation on topics such as:

o how the Wikimedia infrastructure is run
o what technologies are Wikimedia relying on and contributing to
o how the Wikimedia sysadmin team and the community at large interact
o about other areas where Linux & free software lovers are welcome

The Wikimedia Foundation is the non-profit organization that operates
Wikipedia[5] and other free knowledge projects[6].  Together these
sites are the fifth most visited web property in the world.  The
Wikimedia Foundation is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt non-profit organization.
The Wikimedia Foundation's mission is to empower a global volunteer
community to collect and develop the world's knowledge and to make it
available to everyone for free, for any purpose.

Wikipedia is the world's largest and most popular encyclopedia. It is
online, free to use for any purpose, and free of advertising. Wikipedia
contains more than 25 million volunteer-authored articles in over 285
languages, and is visited by more than 488 million people every month,
making it one of the most popular sites in the world.

1. http://wikimediafoundation.org/
2. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Ryan_lane
3. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Mutante
4. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
5. http://www.wikipedia.org/
6. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects


Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

   6:30pm
   Tuesday, April 16th, 2012 2013-04-16

   Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
   731 Grant Ave.
   San Francisco, CA 94108
   Easy PARKING:
     Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
     http://www.sfpsg.com/

   Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of
     $13 cash or more, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a
     yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
     also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to
     defray BALUG costs such as treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

For our 2013-04-16 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) - Seth David Schoen

------------------------------

2013-03-19: "slides" from: Stefano Maffulli (OpenStack)

Missed last month's talk/presentation at BALUG or want to have a look
over the "slides" from that presentation?  Have a peek here:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-March/005020.html

------------------------------

CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the BALUG meeting (at least the following):

CDs/DVDs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

We've also got at least a few other miscellaneous items up for grabs.

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  9 13:58:21 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 13:58:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1365541101.76625.YahooMailRC@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Apr  9 15:40:10 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:40:10 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Meeting report Sunday 7 April 2013
Message-ID: <516498CA.2020008@dslextreme.com>

Hi Luggers,
     Pretty good meeting last Sunday.
     I asked the attendees for more information for this
report.  No word back from Christian.

     I arrived about 10:35 and started to setup for the meeting.
     Ken Schaeffer and his wife  showed up before 1100.
     The password on the WiFi had been changed though
  and it took a while to work out what the problem with
connection was.
     Next came John S and his lovely wife, and then Eric.
     At 12:55 Christian showed up and Eric was able to give
him a copy of the UEFI-ignoring version of Ubuntu.

     Ken had gone ahead after booting from Flash drives for a couple
of years and installed to his hard drive in the MSI netbook.
Ken had installed Ubuntu 12.10 64bit on the MSI Notebook, and
he writes the following "after converting the fourth primary
partition to an extended  so I could add my Ubuntu partitions.
Normally I stick with the  LTS versions, but on a whim, installed
  the current version.

     John brought along his iPad and was checking his email quite
often as his Family Tree project has brought him in touch with
South American relatives and he is very eager for their input.

     Eric had his Nexus 7 but experienced some slow network problems
as he attempted to keep up on several fronts.
     There was some discussion of the parts of the Android OS that are
lacking such as multiscreen capability and real multi-tasking.  On
the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 there is a Multiscreen capability
but again limited and it may work on other machines as well.

         Christian brought the good news that his work at schools with
Linux will resume this summer.  But the bad news is that changing his
job has brought him to the point of being required to use Windows in
his new position with State Farm Insurance.

     The reason we were still there Eric and myself to greet Christian
is due to Eric's persistence, as he believed it would be good
to wait until the scheduled end of the meeting.

     Ken writes: Sorry to have missed Christian.   From my limited 
experience
  with UEFI (one machine), Ubuntu shouldn't care.  Even a secure boot
machine boots live Ubuntu 64 bit 12.04.2 and 12.10 with no problem
(with the latest firmware).  Dual boot with W8 definitely still has got
problems, but many appear to be machine specific.

     Jim Stockford is out of town this weekend but will return shortly.

     Unfortunately I did not have Eric's email address so could not
ask him further about what he was doing at the meeting.

     This was the largest meeting so far this year.

     Bobbie Sellers

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Apr 10 22:11:57 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:11:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
Message-ID: <5166461D.3070304@dslextreme.com>

For anyone who may have been waiting for the 64bit version:

(pclinuxos64-kde-2013.04.iso).  The RC1 worked very well in live
mode on my old notebook and it impressed me no end that it
came with the nVidia drivers for my graphics chip set.
	It comes with Kernel 3.2.18 and KDE 4.10.1.

http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=1867

     I think this will be successor to Mandriva 2010.2 on the
my notebook.
     Anyway I am putting the iso on a DVD now.
And that didn't take long.  I booted up with it and it is
good.  No stutter when I messed severely with the panel
arrangement on the desktop.  (Many distros when I pull
my little tricks have to shut down momentarily). This one
just shrugged and removed the original panel.
     Mandriva 2011 came with messed up drivers for the nVidia
chip set and I have never gotten a successful install of this
version.
     Mageia by the way seems to have problems getting out their
next release.

     bliss

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Apr 10 22:13:57 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:13:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
Message-ID: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>

For anyone who may have been waiting for the 64bit version:
(pclinuxos64-kde-2013.04.iso).  The RC1 worked very well in live
mode on my old notebook and it impressed me no end that it
came with the nVidia drivers for my graphics chip set.
	It comes with Kernel 3.2.18 and KDE 4.10.1.

http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=1867

      I think this will be successor to Mandriva 2010.2 on the
my notebook.
      Anyway I am putting the iso on a DVD now.
And that didn't take long.  I booted up with it and it is
good.  No stutter when I messed severely with the panel
arrangement on the desktop.  (Many distros when I pull
my little tricks have to shut down momentarily). This one
just shrugged and removed the original panel. That is in
live CD mode.
      Mandriva 2011 came with messed up drivers for the nVidia
chip set and I have never gotten a successful install of this
version.
      Mageia by the way seems to have problems getting out their
next release.

      Further

      bliss





From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Apr 10 22:16:11 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:16:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
In-Reply-To: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
References: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <5166471B.208@dslextreme.com>

On 04/10/2013 10:13 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> For anyone who may have been waiting for the 64bit version:
> (pclinuxos64-kde-2013.04.iso).  The RC1 worked very well in live
> mode on my old notebook and it impressed me no end that it
> came with the nVidia drivers for my graphics chip set.
>     It comes with Kernel 3.2.18 and KDE 4.10.1.
>
     Sorry about the doubled post I had meant to send it further
afield.

     Bobbie Sellers





From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Apr 10 23:28:18 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:28:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
In-Reply-To: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
References: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20130411062817.GM5217@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> For anyone who may have been waiting for the 64bit version:
> (pclinuxos64-kde-2013.04.iso).  The RC1 worked very well in live
> mode on my old notebook and it impressed me no end that it
> came with the nVidia drivers for my graphics chip set.
> 	It comes with Kernel 3.2.18 and KDE 4.10.1.
> 
> http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=1867

I think you're going to likke it.  I've been monitoring the PCLinuxOS 
2013 release process.  It's been a little slow to propagate to the
mirrors, but I gather that it must have made it out now.

It's a Mandriva fork, so it'll be generally familiar to you.

> And that didn't take long.  I booted up with it and it is
> good.  No stutter when I messed severely with the panel
> arrangement on the desktop.  (Many distros when I pull
> my little tricks have to shut down momentarily). This one
> just shrugged and removed the original panel. That is in
> live CD mode.

I'm guessing you went for the GNOME variant?

PCLinuxOS is actually best known for its KDE4 setup, but they also fully
support Enlightenment, Floxbox, IceWM, GNOME3, LXDE, Openbox, and Xfce.

If you get tired of the bloat in GNOME3's GNOME Shell and the removal of
'Fallback Mode' (traditional GNOME Panel), don't forget you can use
distros that furnish either MATE or Cinnamon, including but not limited
to Linux Mint.

>      Mageia by the way seems to have problems getting out their
> next release.

No they don't.

They do one release per year.  Seems like they're on track for a May
release, same as last year.

What you might mean is 'They didn't release when I wanted them to',
which is perfectly fine logic for you if you don't care to try Mageia 3
Beta 4, but doesn't support your stated conclusion.

-- 
Cheers,             A: Yes.
Rick Moen           > Q: Are you sure?
rick at linuxmafia     >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
.com McQ! (4x80)    >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Apr 11 08:35:16 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:35:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
In-Reply-To: <20130411062817.GM5217@linuxmafia.com>
References: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411062817.GM5217@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <5166D834.6090102@dslextreme.com>

On 04/10/2013 11:28 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):
>
>> For anyone who may have been waiting for the 64bit version:
>> (pclinuxos64-kde-2013.04.iso).  The RC1 worked very well in live
>> mode on my old notebook and it impressed me no end that it
>> came with the nVidia drivers for my graphics chip set.
>> 	It comes with Kernel 3.2.18 and KDE 4.10.1.
>>
>> http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=1867
> I think you're going to likke it.  I've been monitoring the PCLinuxOS
> 2013 release process.  It's been a little slow to propagate to the
> mirrors, but I gather that it must have made it out now.
>
> It's a Mandriva fork, so it'll be generally familiar to you.
>
>> And that didn't take long.  I booted up with it and it is
>> good.  No stutter when I messed severely with the panel
>> arrangement on the desktop.  (Many distros when I pull
>> my little tricks have to shut down momentarily). This one
>> just shrugged and removed the original panel. That is in
>> live CD mode.
> I'm guessing you went for the GNOME variant?
     Please note that i am using the KDE 4.10.1 version as indicated
in the file name title.
>
> PCLinuxOS is actually best known for its KDE4 setup, but they also fully
> support Enlightenment, Floxbox, IceWM, GNOME3, LXDE, Openbox, and Xfce.
>
> If you get tired of the bloat in GNOME3's GNOME Shell and the removal of
> 'Fallback Mode' (traditional GNOME Panel), don't forget you can use
> distros that furnish either MATE or Cinnamon, including but not limited
> to Linux Mint.
     The latest Gnome has a fallback choice of Classic mode but I am not
eager to try it as I ran Gnome 2.3 or however high they took it under
Mandriva for several weeks to see the differences from KDE 4.x and
I went back to KDE.  I found even the old version of Gnome not to
be as easy to use as KDE 4.x and that says a lot about the Gnome Desktop
environment.  I had to have the KDE files in the background as the Gnome
tools were not effective for my uses.

>>       Mageia by the way seems to have problems getting out their
>> next release.
> No they don't.
>
> They do one release per year.  Seems like they're on track for a May
> release, same as last year.
     I was told 9 months was the schedule.
>
> What you might mean is 'They didn't release when I wanted them to',
> which is perfectly fine logic for you if you don't care to try Mageia 3
> Beta 4, but doesn't support your stated conclusion.
     No I don't have the energy to try anything below RC1.

     bliss



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Apr 11 09:07:03 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:07:03 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
In-Reply-To: <5166D834.6090102@dslextreme.com>
References: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411062817.GM5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166D834.6090102@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20130411160703.GR5217@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> Please note that i am using the KDE 4.10.1 version as indicated in the
> file name title.

Ah, right, thanks.

> The latest Gnome has a fallback choice of Classic mode but I am not
> eager to try it as I ran Gnome 2.3 or however high they took it under
> Mandriva for several weeks to see the differences from KDE 4.x and
> I went back to KDE.

Online accounts say that the GNOME developers have eliminated Fallback
Mode entirely, as of GNOME 3.8.  This is in fact one of the more recent
things that have motivated discontent with upstream GNOME generally (and
towards the MATE and Cinnamon variants).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_over_GNOME_3#Fallback_Mode

> I found even the old version of Gnome not to
> be as easy to use as KDE 4.x and that says a lot about the Gnome Desktop
> environment.  

Among the problems to watch for:
http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm#_Steve_You_Sound_Angry

> I was told 9 months was the schedule.

Well, they've consistently done May or June every year, once a year, so
far.

The notion of having 'problems gettting a release out' should be
considered in context.  The release manager of a distribution had to 
manage the elimination of release-critical bugs until he/she judges the
distribution ready to go out.  You cannot speed up the process by
throwing more personnel at the problem:  In fact, that reliably makes it
take _longer_ (Brooks's Law).  So, rationally, the release manager has
to allow the process to take as long as it needs to take.

You _can_ try to force the process by insisting that you're going to
make a ship date come hell or high water.  Canonical, Ltd. does that
with Ubuntu Linux, for example, and the quality consequences have often
been dire.  On balance, it's just not a smart thing to do.




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Apr 11 09:33:07 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:33:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
In-Reply-To: <20130411160703.GR5217@linuxmafia.com>
References: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411062817.GM5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166D834.6090102@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411160703.GR5217@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <5166E5C3.7040606@dslextreme.com>

On 04/11/2013 09:07 AM, Rick Moen wrote:

Well this went out by accident.
Maybe only to Rick and I apologize for cluttering your
inbox.

> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):
>
>> Please note that i am using the KDE 4.10.1 version as indicated in the
>> file name title.
> Ah, right, thanks.
>
>> The latest Gnome has a fallback choice of Classic mode but I am not
>> eager to try it as I ran Gnome 2.3 or however high they took it under
>> Mandriva for several weeks to see the differences from KDE 4.x and
>> I went back to KDE.

> Online accounts say that the GNOME developers have eliminated Fallback
> Mode entirely, as of GNOME 3.8.  This is in fact one of the more recent
> things that have motivated discontent with upstream GNOME generally (and
> towards the MATE and Cinnamon variants).
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_over_GNOME_3#Fallback_Mode

 From Linux Planet:
   Gnome 3.8 returns choice of Classic Desktop to the user.
<http://www.linuxplanet.com/news/gnome-3.8-debuts-new-open-source-linux-desktop.html>
Sounds better than what they have had out lately but read the story to 
get a better idea of the Classic Desktop look and feel capabilities.

>
>> I found even the old version of Gnome not to
>> be as easy to use as KDE 4.x and that says a lot about the Gnome Desktop
>> environment.

	But next to Gnome 3.x that I have tried briefly 2.3 was light
and fast, but the tools were not too reliable and I refer to CD/DVD 
writing specifically.

> Among the problems to watch for:
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm#_Steve_You_Sound_Angry

	Yes well I don't see the same problems but the early version of
KDE 4.x were not wonderful at all.  Still I used them and using them
inspired me to try the Gnome 2.3.  You can see it made me less happy
even than KDE 4.x.

>
>> I was told 9 months was the schedule.
> Well, they've consistently done May or June every year, once a year, so
> far.
	But so far is only a couple of years.
	Still they are doing better than Mandriva or whatever they
will call the organization.  2011 is their last release and it
was very bad for me.  I paid for the PWP version with the proprietary
tools and codecs and could not install it in a way that would let me
use the tools.
	They have produced products for the professional server market in the 
meantime so I know they still have an organisation.

>
> The notion of having 'problems gettting a release out' should be
> considered in context.  The release manager of a distribution had to
> manage the elimination of release-critical bugs until he/she judges the
> distribution ready to go out.  You cannot speed up the process by
> throwing more personnel at the problem:  In fact, that reliably makes it
> take _longer_ (Brooks's Law).  So, rationally, the release manager has
> to allow the process to take as long as it needs to take.

	Of course.
>
> You _can_ try to force the process by insisting that you're going to
> make a ship date come hell or high water.  Canonical, Ltd. does that
> with Ubuntu Linux, for example, and the quality consequences have often
> been dire.  On balance, it's just not a smart thing to do.

     I generally agree about the release timing but I think that a 
"rolling release" as PCLinux is doing may be better in the long run.

	If I had enough energy to deal with the multiple Beta Mageia
versions they have produced I might wait for them but i simply
do not have that time and energy to spare from the tasks of every
day life.
	
	Bobbie
	



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Apr 11 10:40:16 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:40:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
In-Reply-To: <5166E5C3.7040606@dslextreme.com>
References: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411062817.GM5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166D834.6090102@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411160703.GR5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166E5C3.7040606@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20130411174016.GT5217@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> From Linux Planet:
>   Gnome 3.8 returns choice of Classic Desktop to the user.
> <http://www.linuxplanet.com/news/gnome-3.8-debuts-new-open-source-linux-desktop.html>

GNOME Classic (what is being referred to as 'Classic Desktop', there) is
not the same as Fallback Mode, which as I said was eliminated as of
GNOME 3.8.  GNOME Classic _is_ mentioned at the Wikipedia link I cited.

> But next to Gnome 3.x that I have tried briefly 2.3 was light
> and fast, but the tools were not too reliable and I refer to CD/DVD
> writing specifically.

BTW, cdrkit/wodim and dvd+rw-tools/growisofs work beautifully on any
distribution under any DE or none.  Whenever you get tired of flaky
graphical front-ends, they'll still be there.

http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/
http://www.cdrkit.org/

When I burn distros, I just stick to /usr/bin/wodim.  It always works, 
no muss, no fuss.

> But so far is only a couple of years.

Distro years are like dog years, I notice.  ;->

> Still they are doing better than Mandriva or whatever they
> will call the organization. 

Well, I warned you about Mandriva's prospects at the time of the mass
departure of developers towards Mageia, didn't I?

> I generally agree about the release timing but I think that a
> "rolling release" as PCLinux is doing may be better in the long run.

I personally really like rolling releases, provided the base OS 
from which they're derived is reliable and stable enough, _and_ 
provided that the user is a non-novice who is prepared to fix occasional
upgrade-related problems.

The Aptosid, Siduction, and Semplice Linux installable live CDs qualify.
Also CrunchBang and antiX.  On a good day, also the Elive betas.  Those
all have in common being based on Debian testing/unstable rolling
distributions, which thus I also include in that number (albeit they
offer more choice that novices want and little handholding).  I'm not
sure much else does, as there's a _lot_ of shaky behaviour in most other
rolling distributions' base package sets.  The track record of Red Hat
Rawhide, Mandrake/Mandriva Cooker, and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed for quality,
for example, has been pretty hideous and saved only by the fact that
they warn you that if/when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
I.e., it's what it says on the tin, or pick your own preferred metaphor.

I see from the filename you downloaded (pclinuxos64-kde-2013.04.iso) 
and burned that you didn't go for the KDE FullMonty edition.  Any
particular reason?  Just curious.




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Apr 11 10:50:56 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:50:56 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
In-Reply-To: <20130411174016.GT5217@linuxmafia.com>
References: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411062817.GM5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166D834.6090102@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411160703.GR5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166E5C3.7040606@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411174016.GT5217@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <5166F800.90405@dslextreme.com>

On 04/11/2013 10:40 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):
>
>>  From Linux Planet:
>>    Gnome 3.8 returns choice of Classic Desktop to the user.
>> <http://www.linuxplanet.com/news/gnome-3.8-debuts-new-open-source-linux-desktop.html>
> GNOME Classic (what is being referred to as 'Classic Desktop', there) is
> not the same as Fallback Mode, which as I said was eliminated as of
> GNOME 3.8.  GNOME Classic _is_ mentioned at the Wikipedia link I cited.
>
>> But next to Gnome 3.x that I have tried briefly 2.3 was light
>> and fast, but the tools were not too reliable and I refer to CD/DVD
>> writing specifically.
> BTW, cdrkit/wodim and dvd+rw-tools/growisofs work beautifully on any
> distribution under any DE or none.  Whenever you get tired of flaky
> graphical front-ends, they'll still be there.
>
> http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/
> http://www.cdrkit.org/
>
> When I burn distros, I just stick to /usr/bin/wodim.  It always works,
> no muss, no fuss.
>
>> But so far is only a couple of years.
> Distro years are like dog years, I notice.  ;->
>
>> Still they are doing better than Mandriva or whatever they
>> will call the organization.
> Well, I warned you about Mandriva's prospects at the time of the mass
> departure of developers towards Mageia, didn't I?
>
>> I generally agree about the release timing but I think that a
>> "rolling release" as PCLinux is doing may be better in the long run.
> I personally really like rolling releases, provided the base OS
> from which they're derived is reliable and stable enough, _and_
> provided that the user is a non-novice who is prepared to fix occasional
> upgrade-related problems.
>
> The Aptosid, Siduction, and Semplice Linux installable live CDs qualify.
> Also CrunchBang and antiX.  On a good day, also the Elive betas.  Those
> all have in common being based on Debian testing/unstable rolling
> distributions, which thus I also include in that number (albeit they
> offer more choice that novices want and little handholding).  I'm not
> sure much else does, as there's a _lot_ of shaky behaviour in most other
> rolling distributions' base package sets.  The track record of Red Hat
> Rawhide, Mandrake/Mandriva Cooker, and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed for quality,
> for example, has been pretty hideous and saved only by the fact that
> they warn you that if/when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
> I.e., it's what it says on the tin, or pick your own preferred metaphor.
>
> I see from the filename you downloaded (pclinuxos64-kde-2013.04.iso)
> and burned that you didn't go for the KDE FullMonty edition.  Any
> particular reason?  Just curious.
     Full Monty is 32 bit so far and to start i have to remove a lot of 
stuff that
would make Windows users happy.  The term is Eye Candy, I believe.
     It exploits every possible effect possible with KDE 4.x.x.
     I find it cluttered and too much clutter hurts my eyes.  This may be an
effect of the refractory fatigue syndrome but i like to think of it as 
bothering
my aesthetic sensibility.

     Bobbie



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Apr 11 11:21:31 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:21:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
In-Reply-To: <5166F800.90405@dslextreme.com>
References: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411062817.GM5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166D834.6090102@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411160703.GR5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166E5C3.7040606@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411174016.GT5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166F800.90405@dslextreme.com>
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Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> Full Monty is 32 bit so far and to start i have to remove a lot of
> stuff that would make Windows users happy.  The term is Eye Candy, I
> believe.  It exploits every possible effect possible with KDE 4.x.x.
> I find it cluttered and too much clutter hurts my eyes.

Ah, thanks, I hadn't notice that that and a couple of other images are
i386.  Usually, distros bother to put the CPU arch into the ISO
filename.  It's a bit vexing that PCLinuxOS cannot bother.

The KDE 'effects' (eye candy) are just a default, which you can trivially 
tone down using one of the KDE desktop control applets.




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Apr 11 11:40:40 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:40:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
In-Reply-To: <20130411182131.GV5217@linuxmafia.com>
References: <51664695.7080702@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411062817.GM5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166D834.6090102@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411160703.GR5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166E5C3.7040606@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411174016.GT5217@linuxmafia.com>
	<5166F800.90405@dslextreme.com>
	<20130411182131.GV5217@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <516703A8.8020303@dslextreme.com>

On 04/11/2013 11:21 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):
>
>> Full Monty is 32 bit so far and to start i have to remove a lot of
>> stuff that would make Windows users happy.  The term is Eye Candy, I
>> believe.  It exploits every possible effect possible with KDE 4.x.x.
>> I find it cluttered and too much clutter hurts my eyes.
> Ah, thanks, I hadn't notice that that and a couple of other images are
> i386.  Usually, distros bother to put the CPU arch into the ISO
> filename.  It's a bit vexing that PCLinuxOS cannot bother.
     That is because apparently the 64 bit versions are new to PC Linux OS.
     Most of the earlier releases were i386 and it was the default.
>
> The KDE 'effects' (eye candy) are just a default, which you can trivially
> tone down using one of the KDE desktop control applets.
     Well these are obtrusive and you have to change the Desktop layout to
Newspaper (arranges widgets in columns) which permits them to show
close devices on the widgets and then they can be individually eliminated.
Well I have to change to Newspaper and get rid of the practiclally useless
desktop icons even in the lesser displays.  Others may have better methods
for getting a cleaner desktop with a couple of taskbars at the top and left
side of the screen.  This placement has to do with controlling the machine
from the laptop when the display is running at 1920 x 1080 on the 32 inch
TV.  Also it is reminiscent of my old Amiga with the standard taskbar menu
bar on the top of the screen and the Amiga Dock(from AOS 3.1 and adopted
by Amiga in 3.1) on the left side of the screen.

     Bobbie
>
>
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu Apr 11 11:45:57 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:45:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: [TAML-fpm] KolibriOS  which is FOSS
In-Reply-To: <5166FD9B.4000902@runbox.no>
References: <5166FD9B.4000902@runbox.no>
Message-ID: <516704E5.905@dslextreme.com>

     So this might be of interest.
     Hardware drivers listed at 
<http://wiki.kolibrios.org/wiki/Hardware_Support>

     Bobbie

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[TAML-fpm] KolibriOS
Date: 	Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:14:51 +0200
To: 	TA FrogPond <teamamiga at lists.frogpondmedia.com>



http://kolibrios.org/en/

Can run the entire OS from the L3 cache. :)

-- 
Odd H. Sandvik
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Apr 11 12:10:06 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:10:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS release
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Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

>     Well these are obtrusive and you have to change the Desktop layout to
> Newspaper (arranges widgets in columns) which permits them to show
> close devices on the widgets and then they can be individually eliminated.
> Well I have to change to Newspaper and get rid of the practiclally useless
> desktop icons even in the lesser displays.

Interesting to learn.  My comments were mostly based on my experience
with an old KDE release from bygone days, where they had a specific KDE 
control with (if memory serves) literally a slide control for fewer or
more desktop 'effects'.

Of course, you probably mean other things in addition to those, anyway.

Anyway, whatever image most efficiently gets you where you want to go is
good!




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Apr 13 21:16:50 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:16:50 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PCLinux OS 2013.4 installed.
Message-ID: <516A2DB2.7030503@dslextreme.com>

I finally go it setup properly it seems.  Well I thought I was there on 
Friday
but the test account i was working on wiped out all the directories and 
files
in its /Home/user directory between boots.  I have spent lots of energy 
today
trying to remove the empty directory. I had to do just that with my original
user account then re-create it and then re-establish the link between a 
/Data
directory and the /data partition.
     On the other hand I have straightened out the /data partition (in main
hard drive) and /Adata partition (Adata on backup external hard drive )
permissions so that I can read and write to them.

     The PCLOS install is simpler and more complicated than the Mandriva.
Mandriva has everything done at the end of the Install but the PCLOS
makes you reboot before you can add the name you are using, root
passwords and primary user accounts.  My /data directory seems to
have confused it and the /data directory was the only one written to
my User directory.  So that was very sucky.
   I think it would have been find but for my eccentric partitioning
scheme.  In the meantime I could not locate my documents on setting
up the /data directory to  data partition properly.
     I did learn how to to backup and restore on Thunderbird though
so the time was not totally wasted,

        Have been spending all day getting this stuff to my liking
but Thursday night was so intense that I could not remember to
take my medications and supplements at bedtime and was
up for hours after that, Had to use root to keep up with my
email and Usenet posts.

     Further
     bliss
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Apr 14 18:09:42 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:09:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: [TAML-fpm] Friends don't let friends use Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1URXoz-0001Lu-MP@rmm6prod02.runbox.com>
References: <E1URXoz-0001Lu-MP@rmm6prod02.runbox.com>
Message-ID: <516B5356.1040009@dslextreme.com>

     I think a few folks here may appreciate this.

     Bobblie Sellers


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[TAML-fpm] Friends don't let friends use Windows 8
Date: 	Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:03:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: 	Odd H. Sandvik
Reply-To: 	Team Amiga mailing list <teamamiga at lists.frogpondmedia.com>
To: 	teamamiga <teamamiga at lists.frogpondmedia.com>



Today, we're launching a new infographic to encourage everyone to close
Windows and open the door to software freedom. Windows 8 is so ripe for
parody, we just couldn't resist. Check it out:

http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/friends-dont-let-friends-use-windows-8

--
Odd H. Sandvik
_______________________________________________
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TeamAmiga at lists.frogpondmedia.com
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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Apr 15 06:03:50 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 06:03:50 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] reminder*: BALUG TOMORROW Tu 2013-04-16: Wikimedia
	Foundation; &	other BALUG News
Message-ID: <20130415060350.20293kz2iw213fms@webmail.rawbw.com>

reminder*: BALUG TOMORROW Tu 2013-04-16: Wikimedia Foundation; & other  
BALUG News
*plus some updates/corrections

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-04-16: Wikimedia Foundation
2013-05-21: Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) - Seth David Schoen
2013-03-19: "slides" from: Stefano Maffulli (OpenStack)
CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.
volunteering to help BALUG
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2013-04-16

For our 2013-04-16 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Wikimedia Foundation[1]

Come hear from Daniel Zahn[2] (DevOps) and Quim Gil[3] (Technical
Contributor Coordinator) of the Wikimedia Foundation on topics such as:

o how the Wikimedia infrastructure is run
o what technologies are Wikimedia relying on and contributing to
o how the Wikimedia sysadmin team and the community at large interact
o about other areas where Linux & free software lovers are welcome

The Wikimedia Foundation is the non-profit organization that operates
Wikipedia[4] and other free knowledge projects[5].  Together these
sites are the fifth most visited web property in the world.  The
Wikimedia Foundation is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt non-profit organization.
The Wikimedia Foundation's mission is to empower a global volunteer
community to collect and develop the world's knowledge and to make it
available to everyone for free, for any purpose.

Wikipedia is the world's largest and most popular encyclopedia. It is
online, free to use for any purpose, and free of advertising. Wikipedia
contains more than 25 million volunteer-authored articles in over 285
languages, and is visited by more than 488 million people every month,
making it one of the most popular sites in the world.

1. http://wikimediafoundation.org/
2. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Mutante
3. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
4. http://www.wikipedia.org/
5. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects


Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

   6:30pm
   Tuesday, April 16th, 2012 2013-04-16

   Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
   731 Grant Ave.
   San Francisco, CA 94108
   Easy PARKING:
     Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
     http://www.sfpsg.com/

   Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of
     $13 cash or more, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a
     yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
     also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to
     defray BALUG costs such as treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

For our 2013-05-21 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) - Seth David Schoen

------------------------------

2013-03-19: "slides" from: Stefano Maffulli (OpenStack)

Missed last month's talk/presentation at BALUG or want to have a look
over the "slides" from that presentation?  Have a peek here:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-March/005020.html

------------------------------

CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the BALUG meeting (at least the following):

CDs/DVDs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

We've also got at least a few other miscellaneous items up for grabs.

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 16 12:27:24 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1366140444.38134.YahooMailRC@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From listmail at b79.net  Wed Apr 17 08:08:40 2013
From: listmail at b79.net (John Magolske)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 08:08:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] A shell script for listing files in order of modification
	time
Message-ID: <20130417150840.GA31741@s70206.gridserver.com>

Hi all,

Below is a shell script I wrote for the purpose of listing files
in a directory, sorted chronologically by modification time. This
started out as an alias for ls to display some number of most recently
modified files in chronological order. I don't recall everything I
tried, but at one point it had evolved into something like:

  ls -ldtr --color=always --quoting-style=literal `ls -tra | tail --lines=235`

but that can't deal with filenames with spaces in them...probably
there's a way to get that working, but I then decided to use find(1)
(which offered more options anyway), in a script that could:

- optionally recurse n levels into subdirectories
- adjust how far into the past to search
- display output colorized via the LS_COLORS environment variable
- list files even if they have messed up filenames with spaces,
  non-standard characters, etc.

I'm calling this fmf (find modified files). To provide an indication
of what was "found", the find portion of the command is shown in the
prompt of the less pager, as well as in stdout after quiting less.

One additional feature I'd really like to implement would be to have
the entire command pipeline expanded and placed into shell history,
such that after running the script one could just hit the up arrow
and have a nicely constructed command available for tweaking in many
directions beyond what the simplified wrapper script makes available.
Such that for example this:

  fmf ~/bin 31 1

would expand to this:

  find /home/john/bin -maxdepth 1 -type f -mtime -31 -print0 | xargs -0 ls -odtr --color=always | less -FRiCX -PM%E +G

and be placed in history as the previous command. Is there a shell way
of doing this? All I can think of is using tmux and its paste-buffer
command (equivalent to screen's "stuff" command) to "paste" the
command into the terminal. Or running sed against my ~/.zsh_history
file to swap out the "fmf" command with the fully expanded command
pipeline...but I'm hoping for a more elegant & portable solution.

In any case, here's the script. Any comments or suggestions are most
welcome. Note that in the line that reads LESS_TERMCAP_so='^[[0;36;40m'
the ^[ is not two characters, but a single control character created by
pressing "Ctrl-V" then the "Esc" key. I don't think escape characters
can be passed through email. Hmmm, let's try...
two characters: ^[
single Esc control character: 

Regards,

John

...

#!/bin/sh
# Last edit: 2013/03/25 Mon 8:34 PDT
# Copyright (c) 2013 John Magolske, 3-Clause BSD.

# Is the first argument an integer?
[ $1 -ne 0 -o $1 -eq 0 2> /dev/null ] && int="y" || int="n"

# If the first argument is NOT an integer it defines the directory to search,
# otherwise search the working directory. Other integer arguments define depth
# of search & modification time. Up to 3 arguments total can be input.
[ "$#" -eq 0 ]               && dir=`pwd` && days="14" && deep=""
[ "$#" -eq 1 -a $int = "y" ] && dir=`pwd` && days="$1" && deep=""
[ "$#" -eq 1 -a $int = "n" ] && dir="$1"  && days="14" && deep=""
[ "$#" -eq 2 -a $int = "y" ] && dir=`pwd` && days="$1" && deep="-maxdepth $2"
[ "$#" -eq 2 -a $int = "n" ] && dir="$1"  && days="$2" && deep=""
[ "$#" -eq 3 ]               && dir="$1"  && days="$2" && deep="-maxdepth $3"
[ "$#" -gt 3 ] && echo \
"You've input $# arguments, but $0 accepts a maximum of 3 arguments." && exit 1

# Adjust prompt color (ref: http://www.jukie.net/~bart/blog/less-colours )
LESS_TERMCAP_so='^[[0;36;40m'

# The find command used here
findcommand="find $dir "$deep" -type f -mtime -$days -print0"

# VISUAL environment variable = name of editor, only variable that can display
# in LESS prompt. No need for an editor here so use it to display find command.
VISUAL="$findcommand"

# Run the find command and pipe it through the ls command, then the less pager
$findcommand | xargs -0 ls -odtr --color=always | less -FRiCX -PM%E +G

# Display the find command used
echo $VISUAL



-- 
John Magolske
http://B79.net/contact



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Apr 17 20:43:42 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:43:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting of Monday 15 April
Message-ID: <516F6BEE.9050108@dslextreme.com>

   Hi Luggers,
         Wish some more of you had been there.

   Well I got there, to the Cafe Enchante about 5:40PM
though I had started 10 minutes late the 38 Limited made
up the time     Mikki was there ahead of me and trying to
figure out how to set up a scanner in Ubuntu.
     Now I had been having trouble with the new installation
of PC Linux OS 64 2013.4 with KDE to my Compaq notebook.
I had brought it along and booted up in Live Mode and found
the relevant information on the net.  Since she left me all
alone I went ahead and re-installed PCLOS.  This is a very
fast install even from DVD.
     Mikki left before 7 PM but I managed to get the PCLOS
re-installed and partially reconfigured as Eric and Jim showed
up.   I was very happy to see them at this point but using the
procedures I have recently codified after looking on the net
and finding a sort of weak but accurate advice.  My purpose
in devising this procedure was to avoid excess typing in the
process of reconfiguring a new installation that uses
Thunderbird for mail and Usenet news and Firefox as
the browser.  I am now to version 20 of Firefox and
Version 17.0.4 running on a kernel of 3.2.8 by the
way and  in case anyone wondered.   This is PC Linux
first full release for 64 bit processors.  The first Releas
candidate worked OK in Live Mode and only the fact
that this came out before I could find the energy to
install that RC1 saved me from the update.
     Curiously enough it seems I finally got the installation
correct though i won't know until I shut it down,  But it
hibernates just fine.
        Jim was interested in how I backed up and restored the
configuration files for mailer and browser and I explained
to him what I was doing and this was done with a file manager
and back-up media like a low capacity flash drive.  In other
words working from the desktop environment to reconfigure
two important tools.  Jim thought i should write about it
and I expect to have something ready for the list shortly.
I expect the list to approach the article critically.

     Jim and Eric had a further appointment so things wound
up and time and dropped me at home on their way.

     Bobbie Sellers

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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 22:28:50 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 22:28:50 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting of Monday 15 April
In-Reply-To: <516F6BEE.9050108@dslextreme.com>
References: <516F6BEE.9050108@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFFh3rHsThfPTh4MNODLbpSsTgE4PPg8-zji4bhLJcdzuw@mail.gmail.com>

Did Mikki figure out her scanner issue? I don't recall setting up my HP
Officejet scanner, but I use simple-scan when I (rarely) need to scan
anything.  I do have the sane-utils, hplip and cups packages also
installed, but don't know if they are required.
Ken


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Bobbie Sellers <
bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

>    Hi Luggers,
>         Wish some more of you had been there.
>
>   Well I got there, to the Cafe Enchante about 5:40PM
> though I had started 10 minutes late the 38 Limited made
> up the time     Mikki was there ahead of me and trying to
> figure out how to set up a scanner in Ubuntu.
>     Now I had been having trouble with the new installation
> of PC Linux OS 64 2013.4 with KDE to my Compaq notebook.
> I had brought it along and booted up in Live Mode and found
> the relevant information on the net.  Since she left me all
> alone I went ahead and re-installed PCLOS.  This is a very
> fast install even from DVD.
>     Mikki left before 7 PM but I managed to get the PCLOS
> re-installed and partially reconfigured as Eric and Jim showed
> up.   I was very happy to see them at this point but using the
> procedures I have recently codified after looking on the net
> and finding a sort of weak but accurate advice.  My purpose
> in devising this procedure was to avoid excess typing in the
> process of reconfiguring a new installation that uses
> Thunderbird for mail and Usenet news and Firefox as
> the browser.  I am now to version 20 of Firefox and
> Version 17.0.4 running on a kernel of 3.2.8 by the
> way and  in case anyone wondered.   This is PC Linux
> first full release for 64 bit processors.  The first Releas
> candidate worked OK in Live Mode and only the fact
> that this came out before I could find the energy to
> install that RC1 saved me from the update.
>     Curiously enough it seems I finally got the installation
> correct though i won't know until I shut it down,  But it
> hibernates just fine.
>        Jim was interested in how I backed up and restored the
> configuration files for mailer and browser and I explained
> to him what I was doing and this was done with a file manager
> and back-up media like a low capacity flash drive.  In other
> words working from the desktop environment to reconfigure
> two important tools.  Jim thought i should write about it
> and I expect to have something ready for the list shortly.
> I expect the list to approach the article critically.
>
>     Jim and Eric had a further appointment so things wound
> up and time and dropped me at home on their way.
>
>     Bobbie Sellers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From algoldor at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 18 23:34:28 2013
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 23:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] ubuntu machine crashed, USB not mapped
Message-ID: <1366353268.65498.YahooMailNeo@web121505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,
I have potentionaly Linux related issue. My netbook crashed? today running Ubuntu 12.04. 
?
Crashed means:
?
# I was able to turn it on and got within seconds the screen saying press Del for setup and F11 for whater, do not remember but classic ... That is it, no progress since than, just the screen no activity pressing what so ever (netbook keyboard).
?
# I had mouse and keyboard connected to the usb ports at that moment. I disconnected them and I believe took the power out from the machine, started just on battery and that time I managed to boot to the ubuntu system and to my account?however no USB port was active - I tried to connect mouse and keyboard and USB drive all dead (working fine on another computer).
?
?

# I switched off the machine and tried to boot again with whatever combination I could think off and I did not manage to get pass the Del for setup screen since than, in other words dead.
?
# The last thing which I did before starting the machine for the first time was that I was cleaning it with cca 60% alcohol sprey and I think I may accidentally spray a bit of it on the motherboard or other internal part (yes I was "clever enough" to clean the?bottom side of the netbook too where the openings for ventilation etc are ...) I tried to dry the netbook for hour or so on the sun but nothing helped, still stack on the opening window just after the start.
?
So what do you suggest? I'm thinking about taking it apart and trying to clean it a bit and if it doesn't work I want to order some complex harddrive adapter so I can take the hard drive out and safe my data (I do not have complete back up) and well proclaim the machine officially dead.
?
Open to any ideas, many thanks!
?
Sincerely from Jeju,
?
Frantisek
?
PS That "no mapping" of USB but being able to boot from harddrive first time gives me hope that it can?be motherboard related but harddrive may be OK. The netbook is more than four year old one of the first versions of Atom around.
?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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From jstrazza at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 19 20:41:04 2013
From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] I need your Linux thoughts!
Message-ID: <1366429264.77546.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

A work project...
?
A very small number of our?customers use Linux?and one of them is having an issue.
?
Here's what needs to be done:
?
1) We need to remotely log into their computer. Computer is in Salt Lake City.
2) We need to issue?a few commands on their system.
?
Here's the challenge:
?
1) We have NO idea (NO idea) which version of Linux (or Unix) they are using.
2)?We'll have to assume that they person in front of the computer is not at all computer-literate..
3) We don't know what additional software is on the computer
?
Questions:
?
1) Which remote control software is dirt-simple to install and run?? (Hamachi, RealVNC, etc) or could we use something like SSH?? REMEMBER, the person behind the computer knows NOTHING about computers.? We need to get access to their computer to do our work.
?
Assumptions/Guesses:
?
1) We're guessing that they have either Red Hat Fedora or Ubuntu
2) We're hoping that they have the root password (which I guess we need to install software)
3) There is commercial software on the computer and we MAY be able to quiz the software company about how to access the computer, etc.? However, it sounds like the software company is not being very forthcoming with information.? However, they must have some sort of remote access software, otherwise how could they install updates/patches to their software?
?
Also:
?
I've just started to research this, so sorry about not providing more info.
?
Thanks
?
John
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From mirni.zbirni at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 21:28:06 2013
From: mirni.zbirni at gmail.com (miro drahos)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:28:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] I need your Linux thoughts!
In-Reply-To: <1366429264.77546.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366429264.77546.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAKzXUb6z30NAN1+mhKC9xbZ4nvq71jjmANpudJLSLWXqYDrbCQ@mail.gmail.com>

ssh ships with pretty much all UNIXes, AFAIK. VNC is an overkill and may be
complicated to get it to work. Besides, unless you tunnel it via ssh it's
inherently insecure. And for all you know the machine might not even have a
display! Stick with ssh, is my advice.
The hard part might not be the ssh on their end, but rather firewalls
between you and them. So the first thing you should try is to acquire IP
address of the remote machine, and probe the ports with nmap or something
similar to see whether port 22 is open. If it is, then you can try ssh, and
if you are prompted for authorization you know you are good.
If you get 22 to their IP filtered, then there still may be some options,
like forward the ssh via a different port. Then they would create a tunnel
on their side to *you*:

ssh -R 9999:localhost:22 localuser at yourlocalmachine.domain.com

and you would ssh via port 9999 (that would get forwarded to 22 on the
remote server):

ssh -p 9999 user at remote.server.com

Hope this helps,
Miro



On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM, John F. Strazzarino <jstrazza at yahoo.com>wrote:

> A work project...
>
> A very small number of our customers use Linux and one of them is having
> an issue.
>
> Here's what needs to be done:
>
> 1) We need to remotely log into their computer. Computer is in Salt Lake
> City.
> 2) We need to issue a few commands on their system.
>
> Here's the challenge:
>
> 1) We have NO idea (NO idea) which version of Linux (or Unix) they are
> using.
> 2) We'll have to assume that they person in front of the computer is not
> at all computer-literate..
> 3) We don't know what additional software is on the computer
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) Which remote control software is dirt-simple to install and run?
> (Hamachi, RealVNC, etc) or could we use something like SSH?  REMEMBER, the
> person behind the computer knows NOTHING about computers.  We need to get
> access to their computer to do our work.
>
> Assumptions/Guesses:
>
> 1) We're guessing that they have either Red Hat Fedora or Ubuntu
> 2) We're hoping that they have the root password (which I guess we need to
> install software)
> 3) There is commercial software on the computer and we MAY be able to quiz
> the software company about how to access the computer, etc.  However, it
> sounds like the software company is not being very forthcoming with
> information.  However, they must have some sort of remote access software,
> otherwise how could they install updates/patches to their software?
>
> Also:
>
> I've just started to research this, so sorry about not providing more info.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
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From guacamolepandemonium at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 23:31:59 2013
From: guacamolepandemonium at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 23:31:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] I need your Linux thoughts!
In-Reply-To: <CAKzXUb6z30NAN1+mhKC9xbZ4nvq71jjmANpudJLSLWXqYDrbCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1366429264.77546.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CAKzXUb6z30NAN1+mhKC9xbZ4nvq71jjmANpudJLSLWXqYDrbCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANjojKTZbVgyzta0Ot-RUs76GwisNgFrB0+J9DAwkzdMLPvBWQ@mail.gmail.com>

TeamViewer is closed source but very cross-platform and quite simple to use
in my experience. Iirc you can setup a kind of customized executable that
people providing tech support can send to their clients, and when that
executable is run it connects to the configured person. There might be a
way to package up a script/executable that does this for ssh.

One thing to do might be a self-contained script/executable like that but
one that does a "ps" and "cat /etc/issue" and "find / > contents.txt" then
either emails them or somehow sends them to you, so it would take further
instruction but it would give you a much better idea of what you're dealing
with.

HTH

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:28 PM, miro drahos <mirni.zbirni at gmail.com> wrote:

> ssh ships with pretty much all UNIXes, AFAIK. VNC is an overkill and may
> be complicated to get it to work. Besides, unless you tunnel it via ssh
> it's inherently insecure. And for all you know the machine might not even
> have a display! Stick with ssh, is my advice.
> The hard part might not be the ssh on their end, but rather firewalls
> between you and them. So the first thing you should try is to acquire IP
> address of the remote machine, and probe the ports with nmap or something
> similar to see whether port 22 is open. If it is, then you can try ssh, and
> if you are prompted for authorization you know you are good.
> If you get 22 to their IP filtered, then there still may be some options,
> like forward the ssh via a different port. Then they would create a tunnel
> on their side to *you*:
>
> ssh -R 9999:localhost:22 localuser at yourlocalmachine.domain.com
>
> and you would ssh via port 9999 (that would get forwarded to 22 on the remote server):
>
>
> ssh -p 9999 user at remote.server.com
>
> Hope this helps,
> Miro
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM, John F. Strazzarino <jstrazza at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> A work project...
>>
>> A very small number of our customers use Linux and one of them is having
>> an issue.
>>
>> Here's what needs to be done:
>>
>> 1) We need to remotely log into their computer. Computer is in Salt Lake
>> City.
>> 2) We need to issue a few commands on their system.
>>
>> Here's the challenge:
>>
>> 1) We have NO idea (NO idea) which version of Linux (or Unix) they are
>> using.
>> 2) We'll have to assume that they person in front of the computer is not
>> at all computer-literate..
>> 3) We don't know what additional software is on the computer
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1) Which remote control software is dirt-simple to install and run?
>> (Hamachi, RealVNC, etc) or could we use something like SSH?  REMEMBER, the
>> person behind the computer knows NOTHING about computers.  We need to get
>> access to their computer to do our work.
>>
>> Assumptions/Guesses:
>>
>> 1) We're guessing that they have either Red Hat Fedora or Ubuntu
>> 2) We're hoping that they have the root password (which I guess we need
>> to install software)
>> 3) There is commercial software on the computer and we MAY be able to
>> quiz the software company about how to access the computer, etc.  However,
>> it sounds like the software company is not being very forthcoming with
>> information.  However, they must have some sort of remote access software,
>> otherwise how could they install updates/patches to their software?
>>
>> Also:
>>
>> I've just started to research this, so sorry about not providing more
>> info.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>
>
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From guacamolepandemonium at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 23:40:49 2013
From: guacamolepandemonium at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 23:40:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] ubuntu machine crashed, USB not mapped
In-Reply-To: <1366353268.65498.YahooMailNeo@web121505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366353268.65498.YahooMailNeo@web121505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANjojKQ8XbUV5NzfLBboWSMn=dSMVqG=ps4DZpcsDcC+Dx0tAw@mail.gmail.com>

There's a Linux group that meets at Noisebridge fairly regularly. If you're
still needing help, that group or a local LUG could probably provide some
good advice.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi to all,
> I have potentionaly Linux related issue. My netbook crashed  today running
> Ubuntu 12.04.
>
> Crashed means:
>
> # I was able to turn it on and got within seconds the screen saying press
> Del for setup and F11 for whater, do not remember but classic ... That is
> it, no progress since than, just the screen no activity pressing what so
> ever (netbook keyboard).
>
> # I had mouse and keyboard connected to the usb ports at that moment. I
> disconnected them and I believe took the power out from the machine,
> started just on battery and that time I managed to boot to the ubuntu
> system and to my account however no USB port was active - I tried to
> connect mouse and keyboard and USB drive all dead (working fine on another
> computer).
>
>
>
> # I switched off the machine and tried to boot again with whatever
> combination I could think off and I did not manage to get pass the Del for
> setup screen since than, in other words dead.
>
> # The last thing which I did before starting the machine for the first
> time was that I was cleaning it with cca 60% alcohol sprey and I think I
> may accidentally spray a bit of it on the motherboard or other internal
> part (yes I was "clever enough" to clean the bottom side of the netbook too
> where the openings for ventilation etc are ...) I tried to dry the netbook
> for hour or so on the sun but nothing helped, still stack on the opening
> window just after the start.
>
> So what do you suggest? I'm thinking about taking it apart and trying to
> clean it a bit and if it doesn't work I want to order some complex
> harddrive adapter so I can take the hard drive out and safe my data (I do
> not have complete back up) and well proclaim the machine officially dead.
>
> Open to any ideas, many thanks!
>
> Sincerely from Jeju,
>
> Frantisek
>
> PS That "no mapping" of USB but being able to boot from harddrive first
> time gives me hope that it can be motherboard related but harddrive may be
> OK. The netbook is more than four year old one of the first versions of
> Atom around.
>
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
>
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From darose at darose.net  Sat Apr 20 07:03:14 2013
From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:03:14 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] I need your Linux thoughts!
In-Reply-To: <1366429264.77546.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366429264.77546.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5172A022.4010206@darose.net>

On 04/19/2013 11:41 PM, John F. Strazzarino wrote:
> A work project...
>
> A very small number of our customers use Linux and one of them is having an issue.
>
> Here's what needs to be done:
>
> 1) We need to remotely log into their computer. Computer is in Salt Lake City.
> 2) We need to issue a few commands on their system.
>
> Here's the challenge:
>
> 1) We have NO idea (NO idea) which version of Linux (or Unix) they are using.
> 2) We'll have to assume that they person in front of the computer is not at all computer-literate..
> 3) We don't know what additional software is on the computer

I suggest:

* use SSH to remotely admin
* assume SSH is already installed.  (As someone else wrote already, it 
probably is.)
* send them a list of commands to run as root which will create a login 
for you that can sudo to root.  e.g.:
	useradd -p your_password your_user_name
	groupadd admin
	gpasswd -a your_user_name admin
	echo "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" > /etc/sudoers

After that you can login remotely and have full admin privs.

Only possible complication here is if they don't know their own root 
password.  (Or they only know how to login as another user, which 
doesn't have sudo rights.)

HTH,

DR



From akkana at shallowsky.com  Sat Apr 20 09:36:44 2013
From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:36:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] I need your Linux thoughts!
In-Reply-To: <5172A022.4010206@darose.net>
References: <1366429264.77546.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<5172A022.4010206@darose.net>
Message-ID: <20130420163644.GA1697@shallowsky.com>

David Rosenstrauch writes:
> * assume SSH is already installed.  (As someone else wrote already,
> it probably is.)

On some distros, like Ubuntu, ssh client is installed by default,
but you'll have to get them to install the server.

So have them check for sshd before wasting time trying to get
through firewalls:

ps aux | grep sshd

If it's not there or not running, try having them do:

sudo apt-get install openssh-server

If they get "apt-get: command not found", then try the equivalent
command for Redhat/Fedora; if no joy, then you'll have to try
the commands for Gentoo, Arch, etc.

On some of these distros (e.g. Arch), installing sshd won't
automatically start the daemon, so check that after installing.

Once you're sure sshd is running, follow Rick's and David's advice.

	...Akkana



From chezbut at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 12:49:31 2013
From: chezbut at gmail.com (Zach Hanna)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:49:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] I need your Linux thoughts!
In-Reply-To: <1366429264.77546.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366429264.77546.YahooMailNeo@web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAv0QeRwJY8oKgR+42KjmnAG89EB1rkGgrVG8eGUgHTL9uK1Ew@mail.gmail.com>

At most small businesses or home offices machines are not on a public IP,
and most of the time the folks on site do not have access to the admin UI
to change port forwarding on the router or internet gateway.
I would suggest using the easiest closed or open source product such as
Team Viewer to establish an initial connection on the remote end (if they
have a GUI) and then taking control through that and setting up firewall
rules, remote SSH, etc.
You may also want to look into reverse SSH tunneling which would allow you
to punch a hole in a NAT connection and work forward from there and forward
SSH and VNC from there.

On Friday, April 19, 2013, John F. Strazzarino wrote:

> A work project...
>
> A very small number of our customers use Linux and one of them is having
> an issue.
>
> Here's what needs to be done:
>
> 1) We need to remotely log into their computer. Computer is in Salt Lake
> City.
> 2) We need to issue a few commands on their system.
>
> Here's the challenge:
>
> 1) We have NO idea (NO idea) which version of Linux (or Unix) they are
> using.
> 2) We'll have to assume that they person in front of the computer is not
> at all computer-literate..
> 3) We don't know what additional software is on the computer
>
> Questions:
>
> 1) Which remote control software is dirt-simple to install and run?
> (Hamachi, RealVNC, etc) or could we use something like SSH?  REMEMBER, the
> person behind the computer knows NOTHING about computers.  We need to get
> access to their computer to do our work.
>
> Assumptions/Guesses:
>
> 1) We're guessing that they have either Red Hat Fedora or Ubuntu
> 2) We're hoping that they have the root password (which I guess we need to
> install software)
> 3) There is commercial software on the computer and we MAY be able to quiz
> the software company about how to access the computer, etc.  However, it
> sounds like the software company is not being very forthcoming with
> information.  However, they must have some sort of remote access software,
> otherwise how could they install updates/patches to their software?
>
> Also:
>
> I've just started to research this, so sorry about not providing more info.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 13:21:28 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:21:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] seeking to buy earlier model thinkpads or other reliable
	laptops
In-Reply-To: <5172F7FE.5000400@gmail.com>
References: <5172F7FE.5000400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5172F8C8.9020001@gmail.com>

i'm setting up a hands-on arduino workshop for educators at maker faire, 
  and want to have some loaner laptops on hand in case some participants 
down own or don't bring their own.

laptop just need to run arduino, so i'm thinking thinkpad t20s or t40s
will be fine. basically, i need to get as many laptops as possible with
a limited budget. of course i won't say no to fancier laptops, as long
as they are cheap.

ram and disk space can be pretty minimal. optical drive is optional.
operating system is optional (i'll install linux). cosmetics not a
concern at all. i'll even tolerate a certain amount of flakiness (bad
pixels, power supply cable needs repair, etc.)

finally a chance to put your old laptops to some use, and even get a bit 
of money for them!

by the way, if you know anyone who might be interested in the workshop,
it will be offered thursday evening before maker faire during the
educator meetup. both workshop and meetup are free. contact me for details.

michael







From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 24 08:48:34 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1366818514.48039.YahooMailRC@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From maestro415 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 25 17:33:34 2013
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:33:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] /WPD
Message-ID: <CANe-2tebMKesHCh+h27-dWB-jofgnWtSxXesRKKeW7uYXQHqcQ@mail.gmail.com>

so i had to...
it's not like your day of looking for [drama] on the list can't accomodate
badassery..
for all the penguins in the house, in the LUG's, in our classes and groups,
and in the world...
get your slide on \_____________

though formal people attire is NOT required (for those that don't "get it")

<
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s720x720/61577_585385154815833_601999049_n.jpg
>


message ends
____________________________________________________________________________



-- 

*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
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From nbs at sonic.net  Fri Apr 26 09:56:33 2013
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:56:33 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	May 20: "Smart Static Sites with Hakyll"
Message-ID: <201304261656.r3QGuXUN007467@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  May 20, 2013
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:
  Smart Static Sites with Hakyll
  by Eric Rasmussen

  An overview of modern static site generators with a focus on Hakyll
  (http://jaspervdj.be/hakyll/), a Haskell-based DSL (domain-specific language)
  for generating static websites and blogs (no Haskell knowledge required).

  This talk will look at a new trend in truly open source blogging,
  different markdown formats, responsive design for mobile/tablet,
  compiling/compressing static assets, and deploying with rsync.


About the speaker:
  Eric is a software developer for newcars.com and is active in the
  python and haskell open source communities.

This meeting will be held at a special location:

  Davis Public Library
  Blanchard meeting room
  315 East 14th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

or simply:

  http://www.lugod.org/ (and follow the links)


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can find LUGOD on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From samir at esamir.com  Sat Apr 27 14:55:06 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:55:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Introduction....
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ9oqnSojvrB_z7wW2pTuRqxXDc5Qk1T0Ek37U9CWieCgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

   I stopped by one of the meetings last week, and I think I met a few
folks from here.  Maestory and Joseph maybe?

I just wanted to introduce myself.  I'm Samir, I mainly use Linux for
work (Software Devel)  and play for the past 12 years or so (According
to distro watch).  My first distro was caldera before they turned all
evil on us.

Caldera 2.4 was pretty awesome.. something about having a pacman game
during the installation process was pretty slick.

I just moved to SF recently, and I'm hoping to stop by a bit more
frequently....especially since noisebridge seems so active.  It seems
to have a lot more events going on and a lot more organized then a lot
of the hackerspaces I was involved with.

The meeting I attended was pretty laid back,one of those.. bring you
stuff over.. we'll try to figure out whatever is not working.

I was just wondering what sort of audience we usually have.. and maybe
topics / presentation that might draw some interests?

The other questions I had..

1.  I think Maestory mention something about a list that includes a
few more lugs in the area?  I'm aware of BerklyTipGlobal, BALUG, and
SFLUG and i'm sure there's a few more in south bay and easty bay.  I'd
love to see a list that's .... the ring to bind them all sort of
thing? an announcement list to all the lugs in the area?

2.  I moved here from Chicago originally, and I was a bit surprised at
some of the lack of organization for concrete events.  (That or i'm
not looking where I should).  I'm not aware of any Linux themed user
conferences.... barcamps..  or a FLOSS oriented dev camp of sorts?

Anyways..I plan to make a more regular appearance @ Noisebridge and
hopefully meet a few more properly geek folks.



--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Apr 27 15:54:15 2013
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:54:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Triagefest & Pizza party tomorrow at Creative Arts Charter
	School 1pm
Message-ID: <CAJdae4oGCMUdJ2=c3dcEaHOtg+vVJJboPq9uW-VDrvRmTJB7tQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Partimus.org is going to be hosting a pizza party and triagefest /
installfest tomorrow at the Creative Arts Charter School at 1601 Turk
Street at Pierce St in San Francisco from 1 pm to about 3:30 pm.

We have about a dozen machines to install with GNU-Linux. Mostly detail
work (packing notebooks up, numbering them). If there's human resources and
interest, post installation work could be done (log in, connect to the
wifi, validate that a browser works -- that sort of thing. Q/A basically.

Bring USB sticks with Lubuntu 12.04 on them.  If you don't have that,
Ubuntu 12.04 will do.  No need to worry about UEFI.  Please also bring
everything that you would need to triage hardware.  Screw drivers, needle
nose pliers, etc.

When you arrive, please text or call Christian at 415-351-1300 so that I
can let you in, as the school is quite large, and you could get lost.
Thanks!

-- 
Christian Einfeldt
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Sun Apr 28 01:47:07 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:47:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Introduction....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ9oqnSojvrB_z7wW2pTuRqxXDc5Qk1T0Ek37U9CWieCgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ7OkQ9oqnSojvrB_z7wW2pTuRqxXDc5Qk1T0Ek37U9CWieCgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130428084707.GQ26880@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Samir Faci (samir at esamir.com):

> Caldera 2.4 was pretty awesome.. something about having a pacman game
> during the installation process was pretty slick.

D00d.  Yes, it really was.  FWIW, I actually remember Caldera Network
Desktop 1.0 Preview 2, and had a boxed set of it in my garage for many
years.  (I eventually threw it away, about the same time I threw away
the boxed set of StarOffice 4.x for Linux as repackaged by SuSE.

But yes, the 2.4 installer was very cool.

> 1.  I think Maestory mention something about a list that includes a
> few more lugs in the area?  I'm aware of BerklyTipGlobal, BALUG, and
> SFLUG and i'm sure there's a few more in south bay and easty bay.  I'd
> love to see a list that's .... the ring to bind them all sort of
> thing? an announcement list to all the lugs in the area?

Maestro might have had in mind my BALE Web page,
http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ .  

> 2.  I moved here from Chicago originally, and I was a bit surprised at
> some of the lack of organization for concrete events.

For historical and (arguably) geographic reasons, there is a great deal
of fragmentation among separate efforts.  Most of those efforts are,
very frankly, a shadow of their former selves.  The 2000-ish dot-com
tech. industry depression hit the S.F. Bay Area really hard, and a large
part of the vibrant Linux community here ceased to exist because the
participants either moved out of the area (or country, depending) or
ceased to work in technology at all.  The fallout from the post-2008
financial crisis has been less severe (and less focussed on the tech.
industry), but still pretty dire, and again the Linux community took a
hit, making all of the various individual groups each a lot less strong.

Also, there is a widely felt perception that Linux and open source are
just not new and exciting any more.  Instead, they're infrastructure.
There is a perception that LUGs are a solution to a problem from a
bygone decade, and no longer needed.

> I'm not aware of any Linux themed user conferences

SCALE is by far one of the very best in North America.

FWIW, you've just missed the second April meeting of CABAL, the Linux
user group that meets at my and my wife's house in Menlo Park, just
north of Stanford University.  http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/






From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 10:40:19 2013
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:40:19 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Triagefest & Pizza party tomorrow at Creative Arts
	Charter School 1pm
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4oGCMUdJ2=c3dcEaHOtg+vVJJboPq9uW-VDrvRmTJB7tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4oGCMUdJ2=c3dcEaHOtg+vVJJboPq9uW-VDrvRmTJB7tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJdae4rt8jnGjkMzYdPL=4XTrvTLwGXR97WMnZsBFFjteEym8g@mail.gmail.com>

This installfest is today at 1 pm!  Come on down for pizza and Linux love!


On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Partimus.org is going to be hosting a pizza party and triagefest /
> installfest tomorrow at the Creative Arts Charter School at 1601 Turk
> Street at Pierce St in San Francisco from 1 pm to about 3:30 pm.
>
> We have about a dozen machines to install with GNU-Linux. Mostly detail
> work (packing notebooks up, numbering them). If there's human resources and
> interest, post installation work could be done (log in, connect to the
> wifi, validate that a browser works -- that sort of thing. Q/A basically.
>
> Bring USB sticks with Lubuntu 12.04 on them.  If you don't have that,
> Ubuntu 12.04 will do.  No need to worry about UEFI.  Please also bring
> everything that you would need to triage hardware.  Screw drivers, needle
> nose pliers, etc.
>
> When you arrive, please text or call Christian at 415-351-1300 so that I
> can let you in, as the school is quite large, and you could get lost.
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Christian Einfeldt
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 11:48:00 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:48:00 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] is it possible to "upgrade" from a 32 bit linux to a 64
 bit linux without re-installing?
Message-ID: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>

Awhile back I discovered that I mis-read my laptop, thinking it's a 32 
bit processor when it's in fact a 64 bit. I recently bought a new disk, 
and one of these days plan to install the new disk with the correct version.

Then yesterday I updated Ubuntu from 12.10 to 13.04, and as I did so 
thought: "shouldn't it be possible to do a similar thing to switch from 
32 bit to 64 bit?"

I know it's much more complicated, probably would involve a sandbox and 
some  chroot magic, and it might be less hassle to just do a fresh 
install anyway (i'm pretty well backed up with all my files).

But it did get me wondering if  there's a tool to do this.

Anyone know?



From samir at esamir.com  Sun Apr 28 12:32:34 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:32:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] is it possible to "upgrade" from a 32 bit linux to a
 64 bit linux without re-installing?
In-Reply-To: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ_xa2qq2KEvbv0FKvx8yjKfdMt3frhv7E_mUJcFE+TvuQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think the only distro I'm aware of that supports this.. (and not
very well is gentoo) which basically involves doing some type of
bootstrapping, rebuilding the kernel, rebuilding gcc...and then
rebuilding every package installed on your machine with the new gcc
libraries...I believe inside of a chroot.. and then doing an rsync
from the chroot to the external file system, deleteing and removing
all files, replacing the content with what was in the chroot directory
(naturally excluding $HOME and things you want to keep ).  reboot off
a live CD and re-run your grub command to reset the bootloader....and
I *think* that would work.  (This was years ago...and my boss had the
bright idea to do this....and even then I thought it was a silly
exercise, since it essentially translates to re-installing the OS from
the ground up.

Now that I've given you all sorts of details about gentoo that you
don't really need and confused y ou properly.


If you really want to get that done.. for whatever sadistic reasons
you might have....  this might be helpful:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/81824/how-can-i-switch-a-32-bit-installation-to-a-64-bit-one

you probably will end up using:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot  in some capacity as well.

I think you need to grab a debootstrap that is x86_64, chroot into it,
install all your packages in chroot and do some other type of magic
that'll make it all work.. eventually.



On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Awhile back I discovered that I mis-read my laptop, thinking it's a 32 bit
> processor when it's in fact a 64 bit. I recently bought a new disk, and one
> of these days plan to install the new disk with the correct version.
>
> Then yesterday I updated Ubuntu from 12.10 to 13.04, and as I did so
> thought: "shouldn't it be possible to do a similar thing to switch from 32
> bit to 64 bit?"
>
> I know it's much more complicated, probably would involve a sandbox and some
> chroot magic, and it might be less hassle to just do a fresh install anyway
> (i'm pretty well backed up with all my files).
>
> But it did get me wondering if  there's a tool to do this.
>
> Anyone know?
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.



From samir at esamir.com  Sun Apr 28 12:40:59 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:40:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Introduction....
In-Reply-To: <20130428084707.GQ26880@linuxmafia.com>
References: <CAJ7OkQ9oqnSojvrB_z7wW2pTuRqxXDc5Qk1T0Ek37U9CWieCgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130428084707.GQ26880@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ8W6ra=JgO_LkMyzBALB_D=uAU=n8dOKBtwTUe83D2r7A@mail.gmail.com>

Inline....

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Samir Faci (samir at esamir.com):
>
>> Caldera 2.4 was pretty awesome.. something about having a pacman game
>> during the installation process was pretty slick.
>
> D00d.  Yes, it really was.  FWIW, I actually remember Caldera Network
> Desktop 1.0 Preview 2, and had a boxed set of it in my garage for many
> years.  (I eventually threw it away, about the same time I threw away
> the boxed set of StarOffice 4.x for Linux as repackaged by SuSE.
>
> But yes, the 2.4 installer was very cool.

yup, yup.  I remember being really annoyed when the next installer
(3.1? ) replaced pacman with solitaire.


>
>> 1.  I think Maestory mention something about a list that includes a
>> few more lugs in the area?  I'm aware of BerklyTipGlobal, BALUG, and
>> SFLUG and i'm sure there's a few more in south bay and easty bay.  I'd
>> love to see a list that's .... the ring to bind them all sort of
>> thing? an announcement list to all the lugs in the area?
>
> Maestro might have had in mind my BALE Web page,
> http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ .

Not sure if that was it, but thanks for the link either ways, that
looks promising.


>
>> 2.  I moved here from Chicago originally, and I was a bit surprised at
>> some of the lack of organization for concrete events.
>
> For historical and (arguably) geographic reasons, there is a great deal
> of fragmentation among separate efforts.  Most of those efforts are,
> very frankly, a shadow of their former selves.  The 2000-ish dot-com
> tech. industry depression hit the S.F. Bay Area really hard, and a large
> part of the vibrant Linux community here ceased to exist because the
> participants either moved out of the area (or country, depending) or
> ceased to work in technology at all.  The fallout from the post-2008
> financial crisis has been less severe (and less focussed on the tech.
> industry), but still pretty dire, and again the Linux community took a
> hit, making all of the various individual groups each a lot less strong.

Ah, that's unfortunate, but understandable.  I saw some decline in Chicago
as well, but I think it was mostly due to people's priorities shifting rather
then economy / boom related.  People graduating, moving on and nobody really
stepping in to fill there shoes.



>
> Also, there is a widely felt perception that Linux and open source are
> just not new and exciting any more.  Instead, they're infrastructure.
> There is a perception that LUGs are a solution to a problem from a
> bygone decade, and no longer needed.

Well, I'm not sure I agree with that statement.. but I don't think
LUGs/Linux need
to focus solely on the OS.  One thing I liked about LUGs, is that it
wasn't just the technical
aspect that drew people in, but also the community, philosophy behind
and the whole idea
Sharing information to make the world a better place? OLPC is a great
example of using Linux
for grander purposes.  John Maddog is another one, he had this whole
project about bringing
computing resources and making them more available in Brazil
(http://www.projectcaua.org/ ).
I always like hearing him speak.. I'm not always sure if he's projects
are realistic...but he sure has some fun ideas.

Anyways, that's the sort of mentality that appealed to me in lugs,
much more then just getting
together and installing Linux.

sorry.. a minor hippy rant going on there.... back to your regular programs.

>
>> I'm not aware of any Linux themed user conferences
>
> SCALE is by far one of the very best in North America.
>
> FWIW, you've just missed the second April meeting of CABAL, the Linux
> user group that meets at my and my wife's house in Menlo Park, just
> north of Stanford University.  http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 12:52:55 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:52:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] is it possible to "upgrade" from a 32 bit linux to a
 64 bit linux without re-installing?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ_xa2qq2KEvbv0FKvx8yjKfdMt3frhv7E_mUJcFE+TvuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ_xa2qq2KEvbv0FKvx8yjKfdMt3frhv7E_mUJcFE+TvuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <517D7E17.8020104@gmail.com>

yeah, i used to run gentoo back before ubuntu became popular. after i 
had my fun with gentoo i decided to use my computer for other tasks than 
recompiling itself. i had a very old computer and the kernel took about 
3 days to compile.

On 04/28/2013 12:32 PM, Samir Faci wrote:
> I think the only distro I'm aware of that supports this.. (and not
> very well is gentoo) which basically involves doing some type of
> bootstrapping, rebuilding the kernel, rebuilding gcc...and then
> rebuilding every package installed on your machine with the new gcc
> libraries...I believe inside of a chroot.. and then doing an rsync
> from the chroot to the external file system, deleteing and removing
> all files, replacing the content with what was in the chroot directory
> (naturally excluding $HOME and things you want to keep ).  reboot off
> a live CD and re-run your grub command to reset the bootloader....and
> I *think* that would work.  (This was years ago...and my boss had the
> bright idea to do this....and even then I thought it was a silly
> exercise, since it essentially translates to re-installing the OS from
> the ground up.
>
> Now that I've given you all sorts of details about gentoo that you
> don't really need and confused y ou properly.
>
>
> If you really want to get that done.. for whatever sadistic reasons
> you might have....  this might be helpful:
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/81824/how-can-i-switch-a-32-bit-installation-to-a-64-bit-one
>
> you probably will end up using:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot  in some capacity as well.
>
> I think you need to grab a debootstrap that is x86_64, chroot into it,
> install all your packages in chroot and do some other type of magic
> that'll make it all work.. eventually.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Michael Shiloh
> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Awhile back I discovered that I mis-read my laptop, thinking it's a 32 bit
>> processor when it's in fact a 64 bit. I recently bought a new disk, and one
>> of these days plan to install the new disk with the correct version.
>>
>> Then yesterday I updated Ubuntu from 12.10 to 13.04, and as I did so
>> thought: "shouldn't it be possible to do a similar thing to switch from 32
>> bit to 64 bit?"
>>
>> I know it's much more complicated, probably would involve a sandbox and some
>> chroot magic, and it might be less hassle to just do a fresh install anyway
>> (i'm pretty well backed up with all my files).
>>
>> But it did get me wondering if  there's a tool to do this.
>>
>> Anyone know?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
>
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
> fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow
>
> Sent from my non-iphone laptop.
>



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 12:59:49 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:59:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] is it possible to "upgrade" from a 32 bit linux to a
 64 bit linux without re-installing?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ_xa2qq2KEvbv0FKvx8yjKfdMt3frhv7E_mUJcFE+TvuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ_xa2qq2KEvbv0FKvx8yjKfdMt3frhv7E_mUJcFE+TvuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <517D7FB5.2090407@gmail.com>

thanks for the links. it's comforting to know that i'm doing the right 
thing to install on a new disk (took the opportunity to upgrade to 
7200rpm over my current 5400)

On 04/28/2013 12:32 PM, Samir Faci wrote:
> I think the only distro I'm aware of that supports this.. (and not
> very well is gentoo) which basically involves doing some type of
> bootstrapping, rebuilding the kernel, rebuilding gcc...and then
> rebuilding every package installed on your machine with the new gcc
> libraries...I believe inside of a chroot.. and then doing an rsync
> from the chroot to the external file system, deleteing and removing
> all files, replacing the content with what was in the chroot directory
> (naturally excluding $HOME and things you want to keep ).  reboot off
> a live CD and re-run your grub command to reset the bootloader....and
> I *think* that would work.  (This was years ago...and my boss had the
> bright idea to do this....and even then I thought it was a silly
> exercise, since it essentially translates to re-installing the OS from
> the ground up.
>
> Now that I've given you all sorts of details about gentoo that you
> don't really need and confused y ou properly.
>
>
> If you really want to get that done.. for whatever sadistic reasons
> you might have....  this might be helpful:
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/81824/how-can-i-switch-a-32-bit-installation-to-a-64-bit-one
>
> you probably will end up using:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot  in some capacity as well.
>
> I think you need to grab a debootstrap that is x86_64, chroot into it,
> install all your packages in chroot and do some other type of magic
> that'll make it all work.. eventually.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Michael Shiloh
> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Awhile back I discovered that I mis-read my laptop, thinking it's a 32 bit
>> processor when it's in fact a 64 bit. I recently bought a new disk, and one
>> of these days plan to install the new disk with the correct version.
>>
>> Then yesterday I updated Ubuntu from 12.10 to 13.04, and as I did so
>> thought: "shouldn't it be possible to do a similar thing to switch from 32
>> bit to 64 bit?"
>>
>> I know it's much more complicated, probably would involve a sandbox and some
>> chroot magic, and it might be less hassle to just do a fresh install anyway
>> (i'm pretty well backed up with all my files).
>>
>> But it did get me wondering if  there's a tool to do this.
>>
>> Anyone know?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
>
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
> fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow
>
> Sent from my non-iphone laptop.
>



From samir at esamir.com  Sun Apr 28 15:06:11 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:06:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] is it possible to "upgrade" from a 32 bit linux to a
 64 bit linux without re-installing?
In-Reply-To: <517D7FB5.2090407@gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ_xa2qq2KEvbv0FKvx8yjKfdMt3frhv7E_mUJcFE+TvuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<517D7FB5.2090407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ8ejt=eqRzH4f9hUo1KeQFyWYx13fnHqOyRXYbEn+9KWg@mail.gmail.com>

Like I said earlier, it is technically possible.. it's one of those
things where you can...but why?

the process is really fragile, and you basically end up having to
replace all your libs, kernel, and programs (since they're now linked
against a whole new set of libs).  That just leaves data and configs.
It's easier to back up your data and do a clean compile.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> thanks for the links. it's comforting to know that i'm doing the right thing
> to install on a new disk (took the opportunity to upgrade to 7200rpm over my
> current 5400)
>
>
> On 04/28/2013 12:32 PM, Samir Faci wrote:
>>
>> I think the only distro I'm aware of that supports this.. (and not
>> very well is gentoo) which basically involves doing some type of
>> bootstrapping, rebuilding the kernel, rebuilding gcc...and then
>> rebuilding every package installed on your machine with the new gcc
>> libraries...I believe inside of a chroot.. and then doing an rsync
>> from the chroot to the external file system, deleteing and removing
>> all files, replacing the content with what was in the chroot directory
>> (naturally excluding $HOME and things you want to keep ).  reboot off
>> a live CD and re-run your grub command to reset the bootloader....and
>> I *think* that would work.  (This was years ago...and my boss had the
>> bright idea to do this....and even then I thought it was a silly
>> exercise, since it essentially translates to re-installing the OS from
>> the ground up.
>>
>> Now that I've given you all sorts of details about gentoo that you
>> don't really need and confused y ou properly.
>>
>>
>> If you really want to get that done.. for whatever sadistic reasons
>> you might have....  this might be helpful:
>>
>>
>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/81824/how-can-i-switch-a-32-bit-installation-to-a-64-bit-one
>>
>> you probably will end up using:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot  in some capacity as well.
>>
>> I think you need to grab a debootstrap that is x86_64, chroot into it,
>> install all your packages in chroot and do some other type of magic
>> that'll make it all work.. eventually.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Michael Shiloh
>> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Awhile back I discovered that I mis-read my laptop, thinking it's a 32
>>> bit
>>> processor when it's in fact a 64 bit. I recently bought a new disk, and
>>> one
>>> of these days plan to install the new disk with the correct version.
>>>
>>> Then yesterday I updated Ubuntu from 12.10 to 13.04, and as I did so
>>> thought: "shouldn't it be possible to do a similar thing to switch from
>>> 32
>>> bit to 64 bit?"
>>>
>>> I know it's much more complicated, probably would involve a sandbox and
>>> some
>>> chroot magic, and it might be less hassle to just do a fresh install
>>> anyway
>>> (i'm pretty well backed up with all my files).
>>>
>>> But it did get me wondering if  there's a tool to do this.
>>>
>>> Anyone know?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Samir Faci
>> *insert title*
>> fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow
>>
>> Sent from my non-iphone laptop.
>>
>



-- 
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 15:12:40 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:12:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] is it possible to "upgrade" from a 32 bit linux to a
 64 bit linux without re-installing?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ8ejt=eqRzH4f9hUo1KeQFyWYx13fnHqOyRXYbEn+9KWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ_xa2qq2KEvbv0FKvx8yjKfdMt3frhv7E_mUJcFE+TvuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<517D7FB5.2090407@gmail.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ8ejt=eqRzH4f9hUo1KeQFyWYx13fnHqOyRXYbEn+9KWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <517D9ED8.1050508@gmail.com>

agreed. it was perhaps more of an academic question.

On 04/28/2013 03:06 PM, Samir Faci wrote:
> Like I said earlier, it is technically possible.. it's one of those
> things where you can...but why?
>
> the process is really fragile, and you basically end up having to
> replace all your libs, kernel, and programs (since they're now linked
> against a whole new set of libs).  That just leaves data and configs.
> It's easier to back up your data and do a clean compile.
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Michael Shiloh
> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> thanks for the links. it's comforting to know that i'm doing the right thing
>> to install on a new disk (took the opportunity to upgrade to 7200rpm over my
>> current 5400)
>>
>>
>> On 04/28/2013 12:32 PM, Samir Faci wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the only distro I'm aware of that supports this.. (and not
>>> very well is gentoo) which basically involves doing some type of
>>> bootstrapping, rebuilding the kernel, rebuilding gcc...and then
>>> rebuilding every package installed on your machine with the new gcc
>>> libraries...I believe inside of a chroot.. and then doing an rsync
>>> from the chroot to the external file system, deleteing and removing
>>> all files, replacing the content with what was in the chroot directory
>>> (naturally excluding $HOME and things you want to keep ).  reboot off
>>> a live CD and re-run your grub command to reset the bootloader....and
>>> I *think* that would work.  (This was years ago...and my boss had the
>>> bright idea to do this....and even then I thought it was a silly
>>> exercise, since it essentially translates to re-installing the OS from
>>> the ground up.
>>>
>>> Now that I've given you all sorts of details about gentoo that you
>>> don't really need and confused y ou properly.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you really want to get that done.. for whatever sadistic reasons
>>> you might have....  this might be helpful:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/81824/how-can-i-switch-a-32-bit-installation-to-a-64-bit-one
>>>
>>> you probably will end up using:
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot  in some capacity as well.
>>>
>>> I think you need to grab a debootstrap that is x86_64, chroot into it,
>>> install all your packages in chroot and do some other type of magic
>>> that'll make it all work.. eventually.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Michael Shiloh
>>> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Awhile back I discovered that I mis-read my laptop, thinking it's a 32
>>>> bit
>>>> processor when it's in fact a 64 bit. I recently bought a new disk, and
>>>> one
>>>> of these days plan to install the new disk with the correct version.
>>>>
>>>> Then yesterday I updated Ubuntu from 12.10 to 13.04, and as I did so
>>>> thought: "shouldn't it be possible to do a similar thing to switch from
>>>> 32
>>>> bit to 64 bit?"
>>>>
>>>> I know it's much more complicated, probably would involve a sandbox and
>>>> some
>>>> chroot magic, and it might be less hassle to just do a fresh install
>>>> anyway
>>>> (i'm pretty well backed up with all my files).
>>>>
>>>> But it did get me wondering if  there's a tool to do this.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know?
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Samir Faci
>>> *insert title*
>>> fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow
>>>
>>> Sent from my non-iphone laptop.
>>>
>>
>
>
>



From maestro415 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 15:21:59 2013
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:21:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Introduction....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ8W6ra=JgO_LkMyzBALB_D=uAU=n8dOKBtwTUe83D2r7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ7OkQ9oqnSojvrB_z7wW2pTuRqxXDc5Qk1T0Ek37U9CWieCgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130428084707.GQ26880@linuxmafia.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ8W6ra=JgO_LkMyzBALB_D=uAU=n8dOKBtwTUe83D2r7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANe-2tejzXs3gUgER=aqebCmhvT1kmwgAE25bWy61hpRWPpAJQ@mail.gmail.com>

quoting Samir Faci (samir at esamir.com)

>Well, I'm not sure I agree with that statement.. but I don't think
>LUGs/Linux need
>to focus solely on the OS.

* That's why we don't in the Linux Discussion Group/Problem Solving you
came to 18:00-20:00 Wednesdays as you saw when you met us and we encouraged
you to come back and bring whatever you want to the group. Same on Tuesdays
18:00-20:00 in the ix* Anything Unix based/Open Source Open Session...

>One thing I liked about LUGs, is that it
>wasn't just the technical
>aspect that drew people in, but also the community, philosophy behind
>and the whole idea

* I want to introduce you to Grant Bowman.He comes sometimes and is
reachable via grantbow at ubuntu.com. He is one of the 'king penguins' heading
up an organization called Partimus (partimus.org) that puts free Linux
boxes in schools...

* I volunteer with them from time to time and they just did a triage this
weekend but i didn't attend...



>Sharing information to make the world a better place? OLPC is a great
>example of using Linux
>for grander purposes.

* Many of us in the bay area Linux communities are all about this and I
also recommend you check out Richard Stallman's current projects as well as
Free Software Foundation/ F.O.S.S.'s as well though many are the same...

* If you want to put together projects and events please bring your ideas
on Tues., Wed. or both and we'd love to talk about them and help...

* We have projection in the room you met us in (Turing) if you want to do
things that way...


message ends
______________________________________________________________________________________


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Samir Faci <samir at esamir.com> wrote:

> Inline....
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> > Quoting Samir Faci (samir at esamir.com):
> >
> >> Caldera 2.4 was pretty awesome.. something about having a pacman game
> >> during the installation process was pretty slick.
> >
> > D00d.  Yes, it really was.  FWIW, I actually remember Caldera Network
> > Desktop 1.0 Preview 2, and had a boxed set of it in my garage for many
> > years.  (I eventually threw it away, about the same time I threw away
> > the boxed set of StarOffice 4.x for Linux as repackaged by SuSE.
> >
> > But yes, the 2.4 installer was very cool.
>
> yup, yup.  I remember being really annoyed when the next installer
> (3.1? ) replaced pacman with solitaire.
>
>
> >
> >> 1.  I think Maestory mention something about a list that includes a
> >> few more lugs in the area?  I'm aware of BerklyTipGlobal, BALUG, and
> >> SFLUG and i'm sure there's a few more in south bay and easty bay.  I'd
> >> love to see a list that's .... the ring to bind them all sort of
> >> thing? an announcement list to all the lugs in the area?
> >
> > Maestro might have had in mind my BALE Web page,
> > http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ .
>
> Not sure if that was it, but thanks for the link either ways, that
> looks promising.
>
>
> >
> >> 2.  I moved here from Chicago originally, and I was a bit surprised at
> >> some of the lack of organization for concrete events.
> >
> > For historical and (arguably) geographic reasons, there is a great deal
> > of fragmentation among separate efforts.  Most of those efforts are,
> > very frankly, a shadow of their former selves.  The 2000-ish dot-com
> > tech. industry depression hit the S.F. Bay Area really hard, and a large
> > part of the vibrant Linux community here ceased to exist because the
> > participants either moved out of the area (or country, depending) or
> > ceased to work in technology at all.  The fallout from the post-2008
> > financial crisis has been less severe (and less focussed on the tech.
> > industry), but still pretty dire, and again the Linux community took a
> > hit, making all of the various individual groups each a lot less strong.
>
> Ah, that's unfortunate, but understandable.  I saw some decline in Chicago
> as well, but I think it was mostly due to people's priorities shifting
> rather
> then economy / boom related.  People graduating, moving on and nobody
> really
> stepping in to fill there shoes.
>
>
>
> >
> > Also, there is a widely felt perception that Linux and open source are
> > just not new and exciting any more.  Instead, they're infrastructure.
> > There is a perception that LUGs are a solution to a problem from a
> > bygone decade, and no longer needed.
>
> Well, I'm not sure I agree with that statement.. but I don't think
> LUGs/Linux need
> to focus solely on the OS.  One thing I liked about LUGs, is that it
> wasn't just the technical
> aspect that drew people in, but also the community, philosophy behind
> and the whole idea
> Sharing information to make the world a better place? OLPC is a great
> example of using Linux
> for grander purposes.  John Maddog is another one, he had this whole
> project about bringing
> computing resources and making them more available in Brazil
> (http://www.projectcaua.org/ ).
> I always like hearing him speak.. I'm not always sure if he's projects
> are realistic...but he sure has some fun ideas.
>
> Anyways, that's the sort of mentality that appealed to me in lugs,
> much more then just getting
> together and installing Linux.
>
> sorry.. a minor hippy rant going on there.... back to your regular
> programs.
>
> >
> >> I'm not aware of any Linux themed user conferences
> >
> > SCALE is by far one of the very best in North America.
> >
> > FWIW, you've just missed the second April meeting of CABAL, the Linux
> > user group that meets at my and my wife's house in Menlo Park, just
> > north of Stanford University.  http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sf-lug mailing list
> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
>
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
> fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow
>
> Sent from my non-iphone laptop.
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Sun Apr 28 21:44:59 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 21:44:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] is it possible to "upgrade" from a 32 bit linux to a
 64 bit linux without re-installing?
In-Reply-To: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130429044459.GV26880@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):

> I know it's much more complicated, probably would involve a sandbox
> and some  chroot magic, and it might be less hassle to just do a
> fresh install anyway (i'm pretty well backed up with all my files).

You can.  You really shouldn't want to.

Just back up conffiles, data files, and similar things and do a fresh
installation.




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr 29 01:05:09 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:05:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Introduction....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ8W6ra=JgO_LkMyzBALB_D=uAU=n8dOKBtwTUe83D2r7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ7OkQ9oqnSojvrB_z7wW2pTuRqxXDc5Qk1T0Ek37U9CWieCgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130428084707.GQ26880@linuxmafia.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ8W6ra=JgO_LkMyzBALB_D=uAU=n8dOKBtwTUe83D2r7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130429080508.GN6261@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Samir Faci (samir at esamir.com):

> Inline....

The way civilised people do it.

> Ah, that's unfortunate, but understandable.  I saw some decline in
> Chicago as well, but I think it was mostly due to people's priorities
> shifting rather then economy / boom related.  People graduating,
> moving on and nobody really stepping in to fill there shoes.

Silicon Valley has a long history of boom and bust cycles, as it turns
out.  That's part of the structure of the local economy.  However, the
dot-com bust was an unusually severe and brutal cutback, and it actually
hit Bay Area Linux firms especially hard, because they were concentrated
in the industries most strongly affected by the bubble.  I was working
at VA Linux Systems at the time, and VA faced a series of ironic
challenges:  (1) Their core clientele (dot-com firms) were going
bankrupt and ceasing to buy anything.  (2) As dot-com firms went under,
their prior hardware purchases re-entered the market as used equipment
sales.  Thus, VA was obliged to compete with its own prior production.
This of course was not tenable.  

Other Linux-industry firms likewise had huge cutbacks or closed.  SuSE
trimmed its Oakland office to a skeleton crew of sales staff, and then
(I think) closed that, too.  TurboLinux moved their sales and marketing
office from Brisbane to Palm Springs.  Cobalt Networks was bought by Sun
Microsystems and then almost immediately shut down.  Eazel went
belly-up.  Linuxcare spectacularly cancelled its IPO (for reasons never
explained in public) on the eve of going public, laid off almost everyone, 
renamed itself Levanta as a mainframe proprietary software company
(after a million-to-one reverse stock split) and then went bankrupt, 
Even Red Hat Software, Inc. (now named Red Hat, Inc.) tightened its belt
considerably.  And so on.  The Bay Area Linux community shrank fo the
simple reason that large numbers of members either moved out of the area
or changed professions, or both.  

It was much worse here than elsewhere, frankly.  Things have never
entirely recovered.

The geography of the Bay Area also plays a role, with San Francisco Bay 
right in the middle as a barrier to integration and cooperation.  

> Well, I'm not sure I agree with that statement.. but I don't think
> LUGs/Linux need to focus solely on the OS.

I merely said it was a perception.  I certainly didn't say anything
about holding that view.

FWIW, the guy I shave is maintainer of the User Group HOWTO for the
Linux Documentation Project.

-- 
Cheers,             A: Yes.
Rick Moen           > Q: Are you sure?
rick at linuxmafia     >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
.com McQ! (4x80)    >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Apr 29 08:55:06 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:55:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday May 5, 2013
Message-ID: <517E97DA.8000205@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 5 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 14:38:47 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:38:47 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] What files are required to back up my "configuration"?
In-Reply-To: <20130429044459.GV26880@linuxmafia.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<20130429044459.GV26880@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>

Agreed.

Forget the original question. I now have a new question:

If I want to restore my setup to a fresh installation, is it sufficient 
to copy all the .??* files and directories in my home directory, or do I 
need more?

Michael

On 04/28/2013 09:44 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):
>
>> I know it's much more complicated, probably would involve a sandbox
>> and some  chroot magic, and it might be less hassle to just do a
>> fresh install anyway (i'm pretty well backed up with all my files).
>
> You can.  You really shouldn't want to.
>
> Just back up conffiles, data files, and similar things and do a fresh
> installation.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



From samir at esamir.com  Mon Apr 29 14:55:57 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:55:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] What files are required to back up my "configuration"?
In-Reply-To: <517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<20130429044459.GV26880@linuxmafia.com>
	<517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ8EKSa6n-zKEMf8QAsnvs2TC8UyzvQGZ-JyH_ESeqgPpg@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming it's the same version and the  dot files have a corresponding
application installed that should
cover most of your use cases.  (ie.  your .gimp folder won't do
anything if you don't have gimp installed)

If your config has a global /etc file that you modified, then you'll
need to update those.

That being said.. usually, I just rsync (equivalent copy) the files to
my new $HOME, and call it a day.



On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> Forget the original question. I now have a new question:
>
> If I want to restore my setup to a fresh installation, is it sufficient to
> copy all the .??* files and directories in my home directory, or do I need
> more?
>
> Michael
>
> On 04/28/2013 09:44 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
>>
>> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):
>>
>>> I know it's much more complicated, probably would involve a sandbox
>>> and some  chroot magic, and it might be less hassle to just do a
>>> fresh install anyway (i'm pretty well backed up with all my files).
>>
>>
>> You can.  You really shouldn't want to.
>>
>> Just back up conffiles, data files, and similar things and do a fresh
>> installation.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



-- 
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr 29 15:09:09 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:09:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] What files are required to back up my "configuration"?
In-Reply-To: <517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<20130429044459.GV26880@linuxmafia.com>
	<517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130429220909.GD26880@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com):

> Agreed.
> 
> Forget the original question. I now have a new question:
> 
> If I want to restore my setup to a fresh installation, is it
> sufficient to copy all the .??* files and directories in my home
> directory, or do I need more?

Ah, interesting question.  Basically, where on my system are the files I
would wish to preserve?

The best way to know the answer to that is to know your system, i.e.,
keep track of which directories you customised files in since it was
built.  As it happens, some years ago I produced an exhaustive list of
those locatons for my server, for use in backup.  Yours will (almost
certainly) be a small subset of that.

(It's barely possible that you've modified some locations not listed,
but I doubt it.)

The list (of directories plus one individual fuile, menu.lst, is on my
'How to do a full backup and restore of linuxmafia.com' page,
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Admin/linuxmafia.com-backup.html , and is:

/root                        Root user's home directory (includes above files)
/etc                         System configuration files
/usr/lib/cgi-bin             CGI scripts (omit PHP binaries)
/var/lib/mysql               MySQL database files (dump if not queiscent)
/boot/grub/menu.lst          GRUB bootloader configuration
/var/spool/exim4             Exim and SA-Exim internal files
/var/spool/news              NNTP news spool for Leafnode
/var/spool/mail              SMTP mail spool
/var/lib/mailman/archives    Mailing list archives for Mailman
/var/lib/mailman/data        Mailing list state and other data
/var/lib/mailman/lists       Mailing list definitions for Mailman
/var/lib/mailman/nntp        Mailing list NNTP gateway data
/var/lib/mailman/qfiles      Mailing list in-process data
/usr/local                   Locally installed files and records
/var/www                     Public http, ftp, rsync tree
/home                        Non-root users' home trees


For your workstation, obviously a bunch of those server-role trees won't 
exist, unless e.g., you are running the MySQL database engine for some
reason.  You probably have at most:

/root                        Root user's home directory (includes above files)
/etc                         System configuration files
/boot/grub/menu.lst          GRUB bootloader configuration
/usr/local                   Locally installed files and records
/home                        Non-root users' home trees

Specifically about /home, you are quite reasonably raising the question
of which files within /home to preserve.  Ideally, the right answer is
'all of them'.  That is, for gosh sakes, it's your home directory, so
you want to preserve what's there because it's your stuff.

Complications can arise if you attempt to carry forward your entire set
of home directory dotfiles while migrating to a significantly different
distro, because you might accidentally attempt to use, say, GNOME
dotfile directories from a newer version of GNOME on the replacement
distro that has an older version of GNOME.  GNOME dotfiles tend to break
backwards compatibility.  There may be other dotfiles and dotfile
subtrees that fail to work properly if migrated to a significantly
different distro.


Incidentally, the glob ~/.??* will probably catch all dotfiles and
dotfile subdirectories but is not guaranteed to do so, because of the
possibililty of dotfiles with one-character names.




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr 29 16:26:14 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:26:14 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] What files are required to back up my "configuration"?
In-Reply-To: <20130429220909.GD26880@linuxmafia.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<20130429044459.GV26880@linuxmafia.com>
	<517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>
	<20130429220909.GD26880@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <20130429232614.GA24605@linuxmafia.com>

I wrote:

> The list (of directories plus one individual file, menu.lst, is on my
> 'How to do a full backup and restore of linuxmafia.com' page,
> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Admin/linuxmafia.com-backup.html , and is:
> 
> /root                        Root user's home directory (includes above files)

The phrase 'includes above files' doesn't make much sense when deprived
of context present on the cited Web page.  So, to help:

Just above that bit on my backup-recipe page, I detail one way of
snapshotting installed packages, hard drive partitions, and /etc
contents:

fdisk -l /dev/sda > /root/partitions-sda-$(date +%F)  Partition map of SCSI HD a
fdisk -l /dev/sdb > /root/partitions-sdb-$(date +%F)  Partition map of SCSI HD b
dpkg --get-selections "*" > /root/selections-$(date +%F)  Installed packages
tar cvzf /root/etc-$(date +%F).tar.gz /etc

Notice that the cited commands plunk down those snapshots in /etc with a
timestamping suffix of the day's date in ISO format, e.g., etc-2013-04-29.tar.gz .

In all likelihood, you don't normally store anything in /root, but the
recipe takes into account the possibility of such use.





From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 30 09:24:57 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1367339097.95411.YahooMailRC@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From samir at esamir.com  Tue Apr 30 10:02:42 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:02:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Introduction....
In-Reply-To: <20130428084707.GQ26880@linuxmafia.com>
References: <CAJ7OkQ9oqnSojvrB_z7wW2pTuRqxXDc5Qk1T0Ek37U9CWieCgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130428084707.GQ26880@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ-Mv=BKQc2DOSTWycZRDuLA9q7YEkTPG20_uLjiPi-RyQ@mail.gmail.com>

SCALE definitely looks pretty awesome. Thanks for all the info, and
I'll probably linger and show up to more events, hope meet a few more
of the regulars.



On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Samir Faci (samir at esamir.com):
>
>> Caldera 2.4 was pretty awesome.. something about having a pacman game
>> during the installation process was pretty slick.
>
> D00d.  Yes, it really was.  FWIW, I actually remember Caldera Network
> Desktop 1.0 Preview 2, and had a boxed set of it in my garage for many
> years.  (I eventually threw it away, about the same time I threw away
> the boxed set of StarOffice 4.x for Linux as repackaged by SuSE.
>
> But yes, the 2.4 installer was very cool.
>
>> 1.  I think Maestory mention something about a list that includes a
>> few more lugs in the area?  I'm aware of BerklyTipGlobal, BALUG, and
>> SFLUG and i'm sure there's a few more in south bay and easty bay.  I'd
>> love to see a list that's .... the ring to bind them all sort of
>> thing? an announcement list to all the lugs in the area?
>
> Maestro might have had in mind my BALE Web page,
> http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ .
>
>> 2.  I moved here from Chicago originally, and I was a bit surprised at
>> some of the lack of organization for concrete events.
>
> For historical and (arguably) geographic reasons, there is a great deal
> of fragmentation among separate efforts.  Most of those efforts are,
> very frankly, a shadow of their former selves.  The 2000-ish dot-com
> tech. industry depression hit the S.F. Bay Area really hard, and a large
> part of the vibrant Linux community here ceased to exist because the
> participants either moved out of the area (or country, depending) or
> ceased to work in technology at all.  The fallout from the post-2008
> financial crisis has been less severe (and less focussed on the tech.
> industry), but still pretty dire, and again the Linux community took a
> hit, making all of the various individual groups each a lot less strong.
>
> Also, there is a widely felt perception that Linux and open source are
> just not new and exciting any more.  Instead, they're infrastructure.
> There is a perception that LUGs are a solution to a problem from a
> bygone decade, and no longer needed.
>
>> I'm not aware of any Linux themed user conferences
>
> SCALE is by far one of the very best in North America.
>
> FWIW, you've just missed the second April meeting of CABAL, the Linux
> user group that meets at my and my wife's house in Menlo Park, just
> north of Stanford University.  http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



-- 
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.



From shane at faultymonk.org  Tue Apr 30 10:27:18 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:27:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] What files are required to back up my "configuration"?
In-Reply-To: <517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<20130429044459.GV26880@linuxmafia.com>
	<517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCRSWrkZbUkv7z7iBqRawzRHaqoaJEanZm_SeiV=A9rg1w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> If I want to restore my setup to a fresh installation, is it sufficient to
> copy all the .??* files and directories in my home directory, or do I need
> more?
>

I'll answer this questions maybe a little differently than perhaps what
others are have/going to suggest.

>From the sound of things, this isn't a server where you basically need as
much uptime as possible.  So your choices are either to:

1) trying to duplicate the existing setup almost identically, or

2) take this as an opportunity to "tidy" up

Whether it's #1 or #2, I'd still take a more surgical approach.
 Essentially, back up /root, /boot, /etc, /home, /opt, /usr/local, but
don't just blast them onto the new system (obviously this doesn't apply to
your personal/data files).

If you want to know what was installed on the old system, you can do, `dpkg
--get-selections |grep -v deinstall|cut -f1 > /path/to/installed.txt` and
get a complete listing.  /etc contains almost all of the config files
you'll care about, but I would suggest only manually and specifically
copying the config files you actually need.  /home/username/.* are going to
be various app settings/config files, and if you customize your environment
a lot, you'll probably want to copy over some of those files, but again,
it'll be fairly obvious which ones you need once you're up and running.

Keep the files around a little while, but set them free at some point where
you're comfortable.  Don't be a bit hoarder. =)
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From alchaiken at gmail.com  Tue Apr 30 11:29:21 2013
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:29:21 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] LibreOffice meet-up at Hacker Dojo, May 11
Message-ID: <CAKoGHGW=FZ2+t_KQNWOgrYVf0k3SkVrKADpjZ8C3kwSq+sRvOw@mail.gmail.com>

http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/2838001-libreoffice-bay-area-meetup

My role is facility host, not presenter, so please follow-up with L.O.
organizers, reachable through

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/BayArea2013

not me.

-- 
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)                       {she-devel.com,
exerciseforthereader.org}
The more users Apple gets, some of whom want to customize and improve
their own devices, the more they make it harder to even open them.
This isn't a war between companies, but between philosophies.  --
Keith Curtis, http://opensource.com/life/13/1/software-wars



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Apr 30 11:33:50 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:33:50 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] What files are required to back up my "configuration"?
In-Reply-To: <CA+rfdCRSWrkZbUkv7z7iBqRawzRHaqoaJEanZm_SeiV=A9rg1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<20130429044459.GV26880@linuxmafia.com>
	<517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>
	<CA+rfdCRSWrkZbUkv7z7iBqRawzRHaqoaJEanZm_SeiV=A9rg1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130430183350.GO26880@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Shane Tzen (shane at faultymonk.org):

> So your choices are either to:
> 
> 1) trying to duplicate the existing setup almost identically, or
> 
> 2) take this as an opportunity to "tidy" up
> 
> Whether it's #1 or #2, I'd still take a more surgical approach.
>  Essentially, back up /root, /boot, /etc, /home, /opt, /usr/local, but
> don't just blast them onto the new system (obviously this doesn't apply to
> your personal/data files).

Really good point.  Original poster Michael didn't really say whether
the 'fresh installation' would be the same distro & release level, or 
a rebuild using something different.  You cannot just blithely duplicate
(in particular) /etc between different systems.  Nor would you
necessarily even want to reinstall all of your previous packages even if
they all exist for the new installation with the same names. which they
often don't (especially libs packages).

That is why my own standard technique is to snapshot /etc and the list
of installed packages to datestamped files written into /root (not into
/etc as I typo'ed upthread) to be preserved during rebuild, and then
refer to them rather than just reimplementing without scrutiny.

> If you want to know what was installed on the old system, you can do, `dpkg
> --get-selections |grep -v deinstall|cut -f1 > /path/to/installed.txt` and
> get a complete listing.  /etc contains almost all of the config files
> you'll care about, but I would suggest only manually and specifically
> copying the config files you actually need.  

> /home/username/.* are going to be various app settings/config files...

Unless caffeine deficiency is leading me astry, ~/.* isn't quite right,
any more than ~/.??* is.  You're accidentally matching dot and
double-dot, I think.

Me, I always preserve at least ~/.bashrc and ~/.vimrc .





From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Wed May  1 11:20:49 2013
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 11:20:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] What files are required to back up my "configuration"?
In-Reply-To: <CA+rfdCRSWrkZbUkv7z7iBqRawzRHaqoaJEanZm_SeiV=A9rg1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <517D6EE0.8010302@gmail.com>
	<20130429044459.GV26880@linuxmafia.com>
	<517EE867.1060202@gmail.com>
	<CA+rfdCRSWrkZbUkv7z7iBqRawzRHaqoaJEanZm_SeiV=A9rg1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51815D01.3080308@gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. That was an interesting discussion.

Shane, I like your approach, and since I plan to replace the disk, it 
will be easy to do a fresh install (on the new disk and simply save the 
old one), and then install all the programs I need as I notice I'm 
missing them.

I keep most of my files backed up with Ubuntu One, so once I set that up 
I will be almost complete.

Finally, I can resort to copying files from the original disk only as I 
need them

That will help keep things tidy.

Michael

On 04/30/2013 10:27 AM, Shane Tzen wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> If I want to restore my setup to a fresh installation, is it sufficient to
>> copy all the .??* files and directories in my home directory, or do I need
>> more?
>>
>
> I'll answer this questions maybe a little differently than perhaps what
> others are have/going to suggest.
>
>  From the sound of things, this isn't a server where you basically need as
> much uptime as possible.  So your choices are either to:
>
> 1) trying to duplicate the existing setup almost identically, or
>
> 2) take this as an opportunity to "tidy" up
>
> Whether it's #1 or #2, I'd still take a more surgical approach.
>   Essentially, back up /root, /boot, /etc, /home, /opt, /usr/local, but
> don't just blast them onto the new system (obviously this doesn't apply to
> your personal/data files).
>
> If you want to know what was installed on the old system, you can do, `dpkg
> --get-selections |grep -v deinstall|cut -f1 > /path/to/installed.txt` and
> get a complete listing.  /etc contains almost all of the config files
> you'll care about, but I would suggest only manually and specifically
> copying the config files you actually need.  /home/username/.* are going to
> be various app settings/config files, and if you customize your environment
> a lot, you'll probably want to copy over some of those files, but again,
> it'll be fairly obvious which ones you need once you're up and running.
>
> Keep the files around a little while, but set them free at some point where
> you're comfortable.  Don't be a bit hoarder. =)
>



From shane at faultymonk.org  Thu May  2 11:20:28 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 11:20:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Introduction....
In-Reply-To: <20130428084707.GQ26880@linuxmafia.com>
References: <CAJ7OkQ9oqnSojvrB_z7wW2pTuRqxXDc5Qk1T0Ek37U9CWieCgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130428084707.GQ26880@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCQP1b2=gHXaW3O-EPpomfp4EAgmBcpXxjoMJyP9jO3AAQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Also, there is a widely felt perception that Linux and open source are
>  just not new and exciting any more.  Instead, they're infrastructure.
> There is a perception that LUGs are a solution to a problem from a
> bygone decade, and no longer needed.


I moved up here from LA a couple of years back, and I can say that LUGs
were also seriously suffering there.  I think the biggest problem with LUGs
_is_ actually the success of Linux and how much better things are now.

In the good ol' days of Linux, it was almost nearly impossible to install
(people used to recommend setting aside a good couple of days if not
longer).  And even if you manage to get it installed, there were all sort
of bugs/issues that you had to resolve on your own or ask someone (making
installfests much more practical).  Nowadays, most distros are (IMO) easier
to install by far than Windows.

I have no doubt that some of the issues are that we're all much older and
have more obligations/priorities, but I think the landscape is just totally
different now.  Linux is popular enough where most of the simple (and even
perplexing) issues are easily solvable by googling (documentation is so
much better - not to say that there aren't still terrible documentation for
certain things).  And any genuinely hard issues aren't going to be answered
by a LUG (particularly if it's going to be time consuming).  And even if
someone posts a question of that sort to a LUG, they're generally told to
find the specific list for whatever thing they're asking about.

So while I still have a personal fondness of LUGs, even I don't generally
find them particularly useful.  I will say that there are still people that
I know from the old LUG days, and I wouldn't hesitate asking or helping
them in a way that I would generally avoid on a LUG list (but there's an
effect where if you get to know people, particular if you've shared food or
drink with them over a long time, the interpersonal relationship is the
bond, and not because we're "free software" advocates).
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun May  5 14:57:27 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 14:57:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting of Sunday 5 May 2013
Message-ID: <5186D5C7.5010300@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,
     Wish you had been there.
      I arrived at the Cafe Enchante about 10:40 AM
   Got machine set up with no problems and got the magazines
set out which attracted the attention of another customer waiting for
a takeout order.
     He stated that he was a Linux administrator but had never been
to a UG meeting.  Before he headed off with the ordered food I persuaded
him to take one of our book marks with the contact information. Perhaps
we will hear from him again though it may be that Linux administration
during working hours is quite enough for him.

     Shortly after his departure Ken Schaeffer and his wife showed up
then we were graced a few moments later with the presence of Jim
Stockford.
     Ken and Jim got into an interesting discussion of the problems
that Ken has had with setting up UEFI machinery.
     While they talked I continued to work at my private interests
making a couple of posts to various Usenet newsgroups.
I am also exploring Slimboat V. 1.1.29 which is an alternative browser
provided with PCLinux OS.  It seems quite capable and is happy
enough to run with Firefox. I loaded my Firefox bookmarks into
it and continued to use this new browser throughout the meeting.
It lacks apparently the ability of Firefox to create a private window
but has some extensive privacy featuresto eliminate history in various
ways.
  Eric showed up a bit after 12:30 and seemed to enjoy looking at
last months    Linux Pro magazine but believed he had absorbed all
he was interested in.
     I deposited a couple of older magazines on a table with the book
marks for the group with contact information which I will be doing for
a few months into the future to get rid of these magazines which have
exceed my storage space and which with the book marks may bring
some new members into our ken.
     At 1:00 PM we left and Eric, Jim and i proceed to vist an independent
art gallery and workshop, Frankenart on Balboa Street.  The current
project is production of clothing for export to nations where most of
our clothing is manufactured.  Go the website below for further information.
     <http://www.frankenartmart.com/>
     After that Eric and Jim dropped me off at my apartment house.

Bobbie Sellers
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon May  6 07:14:04 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 07:14:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting of Sunday 5 May 2013
In-Reply-To: <5186D5C7.5010300@dslextreme.com>
References: <5186D5C7.5010300@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <5187BAAC.1050604@dslextreme.com>

On 05/05/2013 02:57 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Hi LUGgers,


     Well this is by way of an addendum, cause I was
too busy with housework to remember that at this
meeting on Sunday,  Eric brought along Kubuntu 13.04
disks for the AMD64 and i386.  I hope to find the time
to give this latest iteration of Kubuntu a live test
before the next meeting.

     Sorry for the omission.

Bobbie Sellers

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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  8 08:14:38 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 08:14:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1368026078.39223.YahooMailRC@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From algoldor at yahoo.com  Thu May  9 01:13:30 2013
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 01:13:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] ubuntu machine crashed, USB not mapped
In-Reply-To: <1366353268.65498.YahooMailNeo@web121505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366353268.65498.YahooMailNeo@web121505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368087210.63032.YahooMailNeo@web121504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,
The machine has recovered, it was probably just the liquid (water) inside. I plan to back up as soon as possible ...

Thanks for tips.

Sincerely,

FAA
?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi



________________________________
 From: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
To: Linux Maffia <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:34 PM
Subject: [sf-lug] ubuntu machine crashed, USB not mapped
 


Hi to all,
I have potentionaly Linux related issue. My netbook crashed? today running Ubuntu 12.04. 
?
Crashed means:
?
# I was able to turn it on and got within seconds the screen saying press Del for setup and F11 for whater, do not remember but classic ... That is it, no progress since than, just the screen no activity pressing what so ever (netbook keyboard).
?
# I had mouse and keyboard connected to the usb ports at that moment. I disconnected them and I believe took the power out from the machine, started just on battery and that time I managed to boot to the ubuntu system and to my account?however no USB port was active - I tried to connect mouse and keyboard and USB drive all dead (working fine on another computer).
?
?
?
# I switched off the machine and tried to boot again with whatever combination I could think off and I did not manage to get pass the Del for setup screen since than, in other words dead.
?
# The last thing which I did before starting the machine for the first time was that I was cleaning it with cca 60% alcohol sprey and I think I may accidentally spray a bit of it on the motherboard or other internal part (yes I was "clever enough" to clean the?bottom side of the netbook too where the openings for ventilation etc are ...) I tried to dry the netbook for hour or so on the sun but nothing helped, still stack on the opening window just after the start.
?
So what do you suggest? I'm thinking about taking it apart and trying to clean it a bit and if it doesn't work I want to order some complex harddrive adapter so I can take the hard drive out and safe my data (I do not have complete back up) and well proclaim the machine officially dead.
?
Open to any ideas, many thanks!
?
Sincerely from Jeju,
?
Frantisek
?
PS That "no mapping" of USB but being able to boot from harddrive first time gives me hope that it can?be motherboard related but harddrive may be OK. The netbook is more than four year old one of the first versions of Atom around.
?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

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From algoldor at yahoo.com  Thu May  9 01:51:42 2013
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 01:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] setting up LAN
Message-ID: <1368089502.1652.YahooMailNeo@web121506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,
We have moved to a new house and I'm now figuring out how to connect to the Internet and how to set up a LAN in the house. I would like to ask if you can give me some advise and for links to resources. I have done that once before in Mexico on Ubuntu based machines but I have forget quite a lot and I would like to do it properly. Also we will be setting up cafe restaurant&bar (focused on fermentation both alcoholic and non alcoholic) in the upcoming months and I want to set up the network and be and admin again so time to improve I think.?

The budget is limited so rather cheaper options please :-)?

Many thank, below are some details..

Sincerely,

Frantisek

PS - DETAILS and Questions:

- Internet connection/source is a local village cafe, the distance would be between 25-35 m (around 100 feet lets say). I have CAT5 cable which I have to cut and connect to get the distance on at least two spots, is it OK? Shall I solder the wires back or twisting around each other and taping by electrician tape is OK? Or shall I get a new CAT5 or CAT5 enhanced wire shall I look for another?specification?on the wire like the type of insulation etc? Now I have 08747M LS CABLE UTP 4PR 24 AWG CM CAT5 75C KS VERIFIED KSC 3342 HDPE 2010 X5 - I do not know what most of that knows ...

- I will be connecting to a router in the cafe directly.

- In the house I need to connect several computers both Linux and Windows based. I assume that I need router and because I want also wireless I need another wireless router, correct? Of course more CAT5 cables ... Something specific about routers which I should care about?

- there will be max 3-4 computers connected in this network, there will be not a major data transfer between them, max copying some movie. On the other hand being able to watch a move from a computer in our living room but having that movie on some central shared hard drive would be nice but not necessary ...


- Do you think I should get one computer and dedicate it as a server? I have never run a server but I would like to start to learn how to do it. If so it would be Linux based but I'm not sure what distro shall I go for. I have used Ubuntu for past five years but I'm thinking about trying something else bit less user friendly and more terminal based so I improve a bit ...


- I wonder what would be a good tools to test the speed of the connection and network both in the cafe with my netbook (Ubuntu based) and in my house so I can compare (especially the speed of Internet connection) and bandwidth in network (not sure about the proper terms too much, I did not do this really before)

- Anything else what I should have or do what I forget??


- Many thanks for any tips and suggestions!
?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Thu May  9 19:56:46 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 19:56:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2013-05-21: EFF's Seth David Schoen: HTTPS
	Everywhere,	SSL Observatory, ...; & other BALUG News
Message-ID: <20130509195646.158725ips059x4hw@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG Tu 2013-05-21: EFF's Seth David Schoen: HTTPS Everywhere, SSL  
Observatory, ...; & other BALUG News

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items, details further below:
2013-05-21: EFF's Seth David Schoen on HTTPS deployment, HTTPS  
Everywhere and SSL Observatory
Since our last meeting:
   released: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" & Ubuntu 13.04
   (mini-)installfests and school installfest
Got local Linux/Open Source calendars/listings?
CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.
volunteering to help BALUG
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2013-05-21

For our 2013-05-21 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Seth David Schoen[1] (Wikipedia entry)[2], Senior Staff Technologist[3]
for the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)[4]:

Seth will be giving a presentation/talk about HTTPS deployment and
EFF's HTTPS Everywhere[5] and SSL Observatory[6] projects.

HTTPS Everywhere is a Firefox and Chrome extension that encrypts your
communications with many major websites, making your browsing more
secure.

SSL Observatory is a project to investigate the certificates used to
secure all of the sites encrypted with HTTPS on the Web.  We have
downloaded datasets of all of the publicly-visible SSL certificates on
the IPv4 Internet, in order to search for vulnerabilities, document the
practices of Certificate Authorities, and aid researchers interested
the web's encryption infrastructure.

Seth has been actively involved in discussing digital copyright law and
encryption since the 1990s.  He is an expert in trusted computing.  In
2008, Seth collaborated with a Princeton research group led by Edward
Felten that discovered a vulnerability of DRAM that undermined the
basic assumptions of computer encryption security.  In 2005, Schoen led
a small research team at EFF to decode the tiny tracking dots hidden in
the printouts of some laser printers.

EFF was founded in 1990 and continues to confront cutting-edge issues
defending free speech, privacy, innovation, and consumer rights today.
Blending the expertise of lawyers, policy analysts, activists, and
technologists, EFF achieves significant victories on behalf of
consumers and the general public.  EFF fights for freedom primarily in
the courts, bringing and defending lawsuits even when that means taking
on the US government or large corporations.  From the beginning, EFF
has championed the public interest in every critical battle affecting
digital rights.  EFF is a donor-funded nonprofit and depends on your
support to continue successfully defending your digital rights.

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

   6:30pm
   Tuesday, May 21st, 2013 2013-05-21

   Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
   731 Grant Ave.
   San Francisco, CA 94108
   Easy PARKING:
     Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
     http://www.sfpsg.com/

   Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of
     $13 cash or more, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a
     yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
     also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to
     defray BALUG costs such as treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

Since our last meeting: released:
on 2013-05-04: Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" [1]
on 2013-04-25: Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail)[2] (non-LTS)

And (mini-)installfests[3][4][5] school installfest[6].

1. http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504
2. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/04/25/ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-released/
3.  
http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2405-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
4. http://bad.debian.net/list/2013-May/003545.html
5.  
http://groups.google.com/group/berkeleylug/browse_thread/thread/f788c8f0c4ecb96a
6.  
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2013-April/005023.html

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Got local (Linux/Open Source) calendars/listings?

There's:
The BALE -- Bay Area Linux Events[1]
Google Calendar: SF Bay Area Open Source/Linux Events[2]
(SVLUG's) Other (Linux, Unix, Software, etc.) Local Groups[3]

1. http://linuxmafia.com/bale/
2.  
https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=caj9iea2ol69b7n2uqdek4ocso%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles
3 http://www.svlug.org/farm.php#other-local

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CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the BALUG meeting (at least the following):

CDs/DVDs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

We've typically also have at least a few other items up for grabs.

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri May 10 19:19:27 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:19:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Pro #150 and other magazines
Message-ID: <518DAAAF.1040300@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,

     Went by the Fog City News today and finally a new copy of Linux
Pro magazine.  DVD of the month is a compendium of the previous issues
of Linux Pro.  I will haul this along to the next meeting.
     Also of note is a magazine dealing with Perl and a new issue of the
Ubuntu specialized magazine.  I won't be getting copies of these as
at $17.99+tx I can barely afford Linux Pro.  But some other people may
be interested in the Perl and Ubuntu magazines so I mentioned them,
Linux Pro #150 features a big headline on the cover about producing
a Raspberry Pi powered media center.

Bobbie Sellers
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From JStrazza at yahoo.com  Sat May 11 13:30:09 2013
From: JStrazza at yahoo.com (John Strazzarino)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 13:30:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting on June 2nd
Message-ID: <08B6C452-5E3F-40C4-AD58-2569B3605AE4@yahoo.com>

I plan on being at the June 2nd meeting along with my friend Emilio, who will be bringing his Raspberry Pi along for a demo.

Come one, come all for a good time

John


Sent from my iPad


From shane at faultymonk.org  Mon May 13 11:55:36 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:55:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] setting up LAN
In-Reply-To: <1368089502.1652.YahooMailNeo@web121506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1368089502.1652.YahooMailNeo@web121506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCSPAZYcWCkvWqW8-49-Wjr1k+kNZPzWbXDGkHDV4Atm0g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:

> - Internet connection/source is a local village cafe, the distance would
> be between 25-35 m (around 100 feet lets say). I have CAT5 cable which I
> have to cut and connect to get the distance on at least two spots, is it
> OK? Shall I solder the wires back or twisting around each other and taping
> by electrician tape is OK? Or shall I get a new CAT5 or CAT5 enhanced wire
> shall I look for another specification on the wire like the type of
> insulation etc? Now I have 08747M LS CABLE UTP 4PR 24 AWG CM CAT5 75C KS
> VERIFIED KSC 3342 HDPE 2010 X5 - I do not know what most of that knows ...
>


Practically speaking, you're most likely fine with cat5 or cat5e.
 Technically you need cat5e for gigabit speeds, but I've seen them work
(note that I've also seen lots of errors on some cat5 cables doing
gigabit).  Problem is that you can't necessarily predict that ahead of
time, so cat5e is the safer bet.  Max distance for UTP is basically 100
meters, so you're fine there.

Kinking or unwinding too much cable can also cause transceiver errors, so
it's best that you avoid soldering or doing something "special."  Probably
best to invest in a few keystone jacks and punch them down (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RJ45-wall.jpg).

It's also best to test the runs with a cable verifier (
http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-Networks-MS2-100-MicroScanner2-Verifier/dp/B000QJ3G42)
when
you're done, but they're pricey unless you happen to have them at work or
can borrow.



> - I will be connecting to a router in the cafe directly.
>
> - In the house I need to connect several computers both Linux and Windows
> based. I assume that I need router and because I want also wireless I need
> another wireless router, correct? Of course more CAT5 cables ... Something
> specific about routers which I should care about?
>
> - there will be max 3-4 computers connected in this network, there will be
> not a major data transfer between them, max copying some movie. On the
> other hand being able to watch a move from a computer in our living room
> but having that movie on some central shared hard drive would be nice but
> not necessary ...
>


Depending on the placements, you may be able to avoid doing too many runs
by judiciously placed switches.



>  - Do you think I should get one computer and dedicate it as a server? I
> have never run a server but I would like to start to learn how to do it. If
> so it would be Linux based but I'm not sure what distro shall I go for. I
> have used Ubuntu for past five years but I'm thinking about trying
> something else bit less user friendly and more terminal based so I improve
> a bit ...
>


You could just do a server install and leave off the GUI.  I'm partial to
stock Debian myself.


 - I wonder what would be a good tools to test the speed of the connection
> and network both in the cafe with my netbook (Ubuntu based) and in my house
> so I can compare (especially the speed of Internet connection) and
> bandwidth in network (not sure about the proper terms too much, I did not
> do this really before)
>
> - Anything else what I should have or do what I forget?
>
> - Many thanks for any tips and suggestions!
>
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon May 13 12:14:01 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:14:01 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Monday 20 May 2013
Message-ID: <51913B79.2020508@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 4 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From shane at faultymonk.org  Mon May 13 12:15:52 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:15:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] setting up LAN
In-Reply-To: <CA+rfdCSPAZYcWCkvWqW8-49-Wjr1k+kNZPzWbXDGkHDV4Atm0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1368089502.1652.YahooMailNeo@web121506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CA+rfdCSPAZYcWCkvWqW8-49-Wjr1k+kNZPzWbXDGkHDV4Atm0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCTMraujY-M8A9MA2dwdkj=RiarL9wYTfTTOfLqgZtSLWA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Shane Tzen <shane at faultymonk.org> wrote:

> It's also best to test the runs with a cable verifier (
> http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-Networks-MS2-100-MicroScanner2-Verifier/dp/B000QJ3G42) when
> you're done, but they're pricey unless you happen to have them at work or
> can borrow.
>

Actually, this is the tester that I was thinking about
http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-CABLEIQ-QUALIFICATION-TESTER-CIQ-100/dp/B0007RTPBQ,
not the verifier.
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From sf-lug at michaelscheper.com  Mon May 13 13:52:26 2013
From: sf-lug at michaelscheper.com (Michael Scheper)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 06:52:26 +1000
Subject: [sf-lug] Any SF-LUG bootloader heroes?
Message-ID: <20130514065226.6a3b34f7@eddie2>

G'day peeps,

It's honestly been a very long time since I've seen any of you, so I
hope this post for help isn't inappropriate. But I'm hoping that a shout
out to my local monkeysphere might get the attention of somebody who
actually likes solving boot problems, because it seems the forums are as
stumped about this grub/bootloader problem as I.

The whole sad story is here:

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=132928&p=718053

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated (and probably best posted in that
forum, so they might help somebody else, too, one day).

Cheers,
MikZ.



From sverma at sfsu.edu  Mon May 13 15:11:26 2013
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:11:26 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] where should django apps go?
Message-ID: <CAFoGK8FKZCKH7Kv334W0fWxZ5Nh3U4VXDK979Q26XydN-3ox3A@mail.gmail.com>

We have a Python Django application called Pathagar.

https://github.com/PathagarBooks/pathagar

Currently, we install using a set of instructions to install
dependencies (apt or yum) and then go configure the django part
itself. We've done this both in a home directory of a newly created
user (bookserver) and in /opt

Now, we are thinking of packaging up all of this into an RPM and/or
DEB, but are at a loss. Conventionally, where should Python Django
apps go?

Pinging the list because some of you may know.

cheers,
Sameer



From shane at faultymonk.org  Mon May 13 15:23:31 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:23:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Any SF-LUG bootloader heroes?
In-Reply-To: <20130514065226.6a3b34f7@eddie2>
References: <20130514065226.6a3b34f7@eddie2>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCQpjCb_Hg79m9=B=C+-Tk-Fmzx6Jm6T8vFciyV-kvrFBA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Michael Scheper
<sf-lug at michaelscheper.com>wrote:

> The whole sad story is here:
>
> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=132928&p=718053


A little long, so I've only skimmed it.  Looking at it, my instinct is that
your boot issue is not grub, but...

* I don't see where your / or root fs partition is (on either disk)
* since the error you have is actually the kernel not able to mount /, try
to see if you can manually mount / under the live cd.
* if you can mount / under the live cd, check /etc/fstab and see what's
defined as / and make sure that exists.
* if it's not already, change device names to blkid (`blkid` under the live
cd).

In general, two things cause the kernel panic unable to mount root fs
errors that you see.  First is that the grub config is wrong.  Second is
that the /etc/fstab on your / is wrong.

I occasionally have to do a grub install trick (usually because I've moved
disks across systems or if I'm imaging/cloning stuff).   Usually what I do
before I do the grub-install are:

* mount all "relevant" fs under /mnt/target, so things like
/mnt/target/boot, /mnt/target/dev, /proc, /mnt/target/sys
* once the aforementioned are mounted, I chroot into /mnt/target (`chroot
/mnt/target /bin/bash`)
* after the chroot, run `grub-install name_of_root_device`
* umount various directories, reboot & cross fingers
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon May 13 16:08:02 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:08:02 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Any SF-LUG bootloader heroes?
In-Reply-To: <CA+rfdCQpjCb_Hg79m9=B=C+-Tk-Fmzx6Jm6T8vFciyV-kvrFBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130514065226.6a3b34f7@eddie2>
	<CA+rfdCQpjCb_Hg79m9=B=C+-Tk-Fmzx6Jm6T8vFciyV-kvrFBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130513230802.GX3704@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Shane Tzen (shane at faultymonk.org):

> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Michael Scheper
> <sf-lug at michaelscheper.com>wrote:
> 
> > The whole sad story is here:
> >
> > http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=132928&p=718053
> 
> 
> A little long, so I've only skimmed it.  Looking at it, my instinct is that
> your boot issue is not grub, but...
> 
> * I don't see where your / or root fs partition is (on either disk)
> * since the error you have is actually the kernel not able to mount /, try
> to see if you can manually mount / under the live cd.
> * if you can mount / under the live cd, check /etc/fstab and see what's
> defined as / and make sure that exists.
> * if it's not already, change device names to blkid (`blkid` under the live
> cd).
> 
> In general, two things cause the kernel panic unable to mount root fs
> errors that you see.  First is that the grub config is wrong.  Second is
> that the /etc/fstab on your / is wrong.

What he said.

One of the other things live CDs are handy for is sanity-checking your
partition table (or EFI GPT thingie).  You know, make sure partition
boundaries are correct and don't overlap, that the 'Active' flag is set
as desired (old-school partition tables), and so on.  And you can
force-install what you want to the MBR program area (old-school
partition tables).

FWIW, I'm still loathing GRUB.  _Way_ too damned baroque.  If I had to 
use an EFI-based system, I think I'd probably go with elilo.
http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/elilo.html





From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 16:54:49 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:54:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Any SF-LUG bootloader heroes?
In-Reply-To: <20130513230802.GX3704@linuxmafia.com>
References: <20130514065226.6a3b34f7@eddie2>
	<CA+rfdCQpjCb_Hg79m9=B=C+-Tk-Fmzx6Jm6T8vFciyV-kvrFBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130513230802.GX3704@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFGgwwt_YiUZqAJSezuqjjDTx90D2iOAFUS+APuXUe3QYg@mail.gmail.com>

It's a new world with secure boot/UEFI, and from your kernel boot line in
grub, you are attempting to boot the signed kernel, so you must have secure
boot on, have an EFI partition, and a gpt partitioned disk.  When you do a
grub-install on such a system, the critical part is the --uefi-secure-boot
switch (sp?) so the grub files get written to the efi partition (which
should be mounted at /boot/efi).  Looks like a mix of old MBR stuff got
used.  As for the jumping devices, definitely use the uuid on the kernel
boot lines in grub.cfg, not /dev/sda8 , the device letters were wrong in
too many cases (like the initial install from a USB live media to another
USB).  Since Ubuntu 12.04, I have seen many more cases of the system
booting with the hard disk on sdb instead of sda -- not consistent, but not
that rare anymore either.  With secure boot, and the EFI partition on a
disk not where the system will be running, you will see the grub hdx
confusion -- maybe just an extension of the sda/sdb problems -- is hd0
supposed to be the first hard disk, or the boot (maybe usb) disk?    When
grub.cfg is split across disks, (which the Ubuntu13.04 seems to do by
default), maybe confusion is expected.  And yea, some machines, even with
the corrected grub windows chainloader commands, still cannot boot Windows
(bug 1091464).  You need to use the efi menu to select Windows to boot (or
leave it the default).
Good Luck


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Quoting Shane Tzen (shane at faultymonk.org):
>
> > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Michael Scheper
> > <sf-lug at michaelscheper.com>wrote:
> >
> > > The whole sad story is here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=132928&p=718053
> >
> >
> > A little long, so I've only skimmed it.  Looking at it, my instinct is
> that
> > your boot issue is not grub, but...
> >
> > * I don't see where your / or root fs partition is (on either disk)
> > * since the error you have is actually the kernel not able to mount /,
> try
> > to see if you can manually mount / under the live cd.
> > * if you can mount / under the live cd, check /etc/fstab and see what's
> > defined as / and make sure that exists.
> > * if it's not already, change device names to blkid (`blkid` under the
> live
> > cd).
> >
> > In general, two things cause the kernel panic unable to mount root fs
> > errors that you see.  First is that the grub config is wrong.  Second is
> > that the /etc/fstab on your / is wrong.
>
> What he said.
>
> One of the other things live CDs are handy for is sanity-checking your
> partition table (or EFI GPT thingie).  You know, make sure partition
> boundaries are correct and don't overlap, that the 'Active' flag is set
> as desired (old-school partition tables), and so on.  And you can
> force-install what you want to the MBR program area (old-school
> partition tables).
>
> FWIW, I'm still loathing GRUB.  _Way_ too damned baroque.  If I had to
> use an EFI-based system, I think I'd probably go with elilo.
> http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/elilo.html
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 14 19:08:09 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:08:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1368583689.70219.YahooMailRC@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From samir at esamir.com  Wed May 15 21:15:34 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 21:15:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] where should django apps go?
In-Reply-To: <CAFoGK8FKZCKH7Kv334W0fWxZ5Nh3U4VXDK979Q26XydN-3ox3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFoGK8FKZCKH7Kv334W0fWxZ5Nh3U4VXDK979Q26XydN-3ox3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ90M8hQme=NoEktKL35AQPxmD0trgGMUYie7KOO1E2+oQ@mail.gmail.com>

Since nobody said anything in a while, I figured I'd chime in.

I found that most of the time, packaged wb application in *Nix seems
to do a pretty bad job.

Half the tutorials on setting python and god help you rails, usually
start by......

ignore whatever came with your distribution and install pip or rvm

Is there any reason you want to use a .deb file to distribute your
application?  I'm not sure how good/ bad it is, since I haven't
used it much, but isn't fabric the hip python thing to use for deployment?

http://docs.fabfile.org/en/1.6/  ?



On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> We have a Python Django application called Pathagar.
>
> https://github.com/PathagarBooks/pathagar
>
> Currently, we install using a set of instructions to install
> dependencies (apt or yum) and then go configure the django part
> itself. We've done this both in a home directory of a newly created
> user (bookserver) and in /opt
>
> Now, we are thinking of packaging up all of this into an RPM and/or
> DEB, but are at a loss. Conventionally, where should Python Django
> apps go?
>
> Pinging the list because some of you may know.
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



-- 
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Fri May 17 07:59:05 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 07:59:05 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] reminder: BALUG Tu 2013-05-21: EFF's Seth David Schoen:
	HTTPS	Everywhere, SSL Observatory, ...; & other BALUG bits
Message-ID: <20130517075905.13384o2zw7tk64qo@webmail.rawbw.com>

reminder: BALUG Tu 2013-05-21: EFF's Seth David Schoen: HTTPS  
Everywhere, SSL Observatory, ...; & other BALUG bits

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-05-21: EFF's Seth David Schoen on HTTPS deployment, HTTPS  
Everywhere and SSL Observatory
CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.
volunteering to help BALUG

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2013-05-21

For our 2013-05-21 BALUG meeting, we're proud to present:

Seth David Schoen[1] (Wikipedia entry)[2], Senior Staff Technologist[3]
for the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)[4]:

Seth will be giving a presentation/talk about HTTPS deployment and
EFF's HTTPS Everywhere[5] and SSL Observatory[6] projects.

HTTPS Everywhere is a Firefox and Chrome extension that encrypts your
communications with many major websites, making your browsing more
secure.

SSL Observatory is a project to investigate the certificates used to
secure all of the sites encrypted with HTTPS on the Web.  We have
downloaded datasets of all of the publicly-visible SSL certificates on
the IPv4 Internet, in order to search for vulnerabilities, document the
practices of Certificate Authorities, and aid researchers interested
the web's encryption infrastructure.

Seth has been actively involved in discussing digital copyright law and
encryption since the 1990s.  He is an expert in trusted computing.  In
2008, Seth collaborated with a Princeton research group led by Edward
Felten that discovered a vulnerability of DRAM that undermined the
basic assumptions of computer encryption security.  In 2005, Schoen led
a small research team at EFF to decode the tiny tracking dots hidden in
the printouts of some laser printers.

EFF was founded in 1990 and continues to confront cutting-edge issues
defending free speech, privacy, innovation, and consumer rights today.
Blending the expertise of lawyers, policy analysts, activists, and
technologists, EFF achieves significant victories on behalf of
consumers and the general public.  EFF fights for freedom primarily in
the courts, bringing and defending lawsuits even when that means taking
on the US government or large corporations.  From the beginning, EFF
has championed the public interest in every critical battle affecting
digital rights.  EFF is a donor-funded nonprofit and depends on your
support to continue successfully defending your digital rights.

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

   6:30pm
   Tuesday, May 21st, 2013 2013-05-21

   Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
   731 Grant Ave.
   San Francisco, CA 94108
   Easy PARKING:
     Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
     http://www.sfpsg.com/

   Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of
     $13 cash or more, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a
     yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
     also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to
     defray BALUG costs such as treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the BALUG meeting (at least the following):

CDs/DVDs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

We've typically also have at least a few other items up for grabs.

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com  Sun May 19 14:02:16 2013
From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 14:02:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Hardware for a Linux-based media hub
Message-ID: <CAL=Be0Ugeod3AZ5H8zeQGyQsKuB8R2ZY1=+zJDV=U3T+BtP_Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I'm looking for a cheap mini computer to use as a media hub. The kind that
connects to your TV over HDMI and your network, and let's you watch local
videos, as well as connecting to Netflix and the likes.
Any recommendations? The only thing I seem to find are android based ones
which I don't like, or expensive ones.
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From samir at esamir.com  Sun May 19 14:07:31 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 14:07:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Hardware for a Linux-based media hub
In-Reply-To: <CAL=Be0Ugeod3AZ5H8zeQGyQsKuB8R2ZY1=+zJDV=U3T+BtP_Wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=Be0Ugeod3AZ5H8zeQGyQsKuB8R2ZY1=+zJDV=U3T+BtP_Wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ-u8AnynMq3jgQUvHngcqUyV+X0p79yMwYH-GR43Ae1UA@mail.gmail.com>

Well... as far as I can tell you cannot do netflix without some windows
emulation, running a vmware + windows install or other abomination... so
taking that out of the equation...

If you want a cheap media box, why not look at rasebery PI? they have a
really decent video card.. I believe you can do 720p with it.

a simple search on google (first hit, didn't really look at it too closely)

http://lifehacker.com/5929913/build-a-xbmc-media-center-with-a-35-raspberry-pi





On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Ehud Kaldor <ehud.kaldor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm looking for a cheap mini computer to use as a media hub. The kind that
> connects to your TV over HDMI and your network, and let's you watch local
> videos, as well as connecting to Netflix and the likes.
> Any recommendations? The only thing I seem to find are android based ones
> which I don't like, or expensive ones.
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



-- 
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

Sent from my non-iphone laptop.
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 21 13:24:57 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 13:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1369167897.80221.YahooMailRC@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From shane at faultymonk.org  Tue May 21 16:25:29 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:25:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Hardware for a Linux-based media hub
In-Reply-To: <CAL=Be0Ugeod3AZ5H8zeQGyQsKuB8R2ZY1=+zJDV=U3T+BtP_Wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=Be0Ugeod3AZ5H8zeQGyQsKuB8R2ZY1=+zJDV=U3T+BtP_Wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCS+MQyomF2C4SmAdNGADhCcgBEwLPKRQrB+BCXmtF_jZA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Ehud Kaldor <ehud.kaldor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm looking for a cheap mini computer to use as a media hub. The kind that
> connects to your TV over HDMI and your network, and let's you watch local
> videos, as well as connecting to Netflix and the likes.
> Any recommendations? The only thing I seem to find are android based ones
> which I don't like, or expensive ones.
>

I think your best bet is going to be running this stuff on Android (XBMC,
Netflix) with a box like http://www.amazon.com/electronics/dp/B00CH643A8
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From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com  Tue May 21 16:44:29 2013
From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:44:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Hardware for a Linux-based media hub
In-Reply-To: <CA+rfdCS+MQyomF2C4SmAdNGADhCcgBEwLPKRQrB+BCXmtF_jZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=Be0Ugeod3AZ5H8zeQGyQsKuB8R2ZY1=+zJDV=U3T+BtP_Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+rfdCS+MQyomF2C4SmAdNGADhCcgBEwLPKRQrB+BCXmtF_jZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519C06DD.2060504@gmail.com>

i currently have the Logitech GTV, which is Android based, and i hate 
it...


Cheers,
Ehud



On Tue 21 May 2013 04:25:29 PM PDT, Shane Tzen wrote:
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Ehud Kaldor <ehud.kaldor at gmail.com
> <mailto:ehud.kaldor at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>     I'm looking for a cheap mini computer to use as a media hub. The
>     kind that connects to your TV over HDMI and your network, and
>     let's you watch local videos, as well as connecting to Netflix and
>     the likes.
>     Any recommendations? The only thing I seem to find are android
>     based ones which I don't like, or expensive ones.
>
>
> I think your best bet is going to be running this stuff on Android
> (XBMC, Netflix) with a box
> like http://www.amazon.com/electronics/dp/B00CH643A8



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu May 23 12:02:18 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:02:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Re: Some UEFI progress
In-Reply-To: <pan.2013.05.23.10.48.44.85716@nomail.afraid.org>
References: <pan.2013.05.23.10.48.44.85716@nomail.afraid.org>
Message-ID: <519E67BA.40705@dslextreme.com>

Hi Luggers,

	I checked the archive and it contains 3 shell scripts
a list of sources in .apt format and explanatory text in .odt format
best opened with Libre Office Writer or Open Office Writer.

	I think some problems might be resolved but I found it
educational as well in discussing the new GUID.

	Bobbie Sellers


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Some UEFI progress
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:48:44 +0100
From: Maurice Batey <maurice at nomail.afraid.org>
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mageia,alt.os.linux.mandriva
References: <slrnkgqj8c.lsa.BitTwister at wb.home.test> 
<510fd05a$0$1133$5b6aafb4 at news.zen.co.uk> <keonve$6o2$1 at dont-email.me>

On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 08:35:15 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

>  I know that the GPT is a hard nut to crack.

   This article might help!:

      http://linuxformat.com/files/Linux-on-GPT.tar.gz

-- 
/\/\aurice
(Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)






From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Thu May 23 13:27:28 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 13:27:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG meeting of Monday May 20, 2013 & the next day.
Message-ID: <519E7BB0.9010603@dslextreme.com>

     Hi Luggers,
             This was a very mixed sort of meeting.
     Only Eric attended aside from myself.
     I was unableto get to the WiFi and spent a lot of
time working on that.  Eric tried to help but the
WiFi chip on my Compaq refused to turn on with the
installed OS.  I booted up with Mageia 3and with Knoppix
  it worked very well on both systems.
     Eric was having a problem with his Nexus and trying
to get the GPS system to work in the Cafe Enchante but
as soon as he moved to the street it began to work.

     We left about 8 PM and rode the 38 back to downtown.

I got home about 8:40 PM and the WiFi worked very well
here at home.  But then I found another problem in that my
/ partition was full.  I went to sleep on that problem and the
nextday sorted it out pretty wellmakingone other partition
smaller and creating two new partitions in the space available.
To get this started I had to boot from the installation disk
to access a partition editor then with the installed OS running
had to remount the new partitionsand the system had to reformat
and copy the contents of the two relevant directories to the
new partitions. Note that I say the system did that for me.
I ended up with a manageable / partition but still don't understand
why it filled up on me.

     Bobbie Sellers
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From tedski at gmail.com  Fri May 24 11:16:20 2013
From: tedski at gmail.com (Ted Strzalkowski)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 11:16:20 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Hardware for a Linux-based media hub
In-Reply-To: <519C06DD.2060504@gmail.com>
References: <CAL=Be0Ugeod3AZ5H8zeQGyQsKuB8R2ZY1=+zJDV=U3T+BtP_Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+rfdCS+MQyomF2C4SmAdNGADhCcgBEwLPKRQrB+BCXmtF_jZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<519C06DD.2060504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOTOiANHdBGt-+9PkRPnSjJPnP-i0ieaqP=cB_0X2kueHcaBOg@mail.gmail.com>

The Zotac zbox is a good choice.  Affordable and small.

http://www.zotacusa.com/products/mini-pcs/zbox

At that point, you could just run Plex server and client on it so your
other devices could also stream from it.  Plex has apps for netflix, amazon
and the likes.  It isn't fully opensource, though, so there's that.


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ehud Kaldor <ehud.kaldor at gmail.com> wrote:

> i currently have the Logitech GTV, which is Android based, and i hate
> it...
>
>
> Cheers,
> Ehud
>
>
>
> On Tue 21 May 2013 04:25:29 PM PDT, Shane Tzen wrote:
> > On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Ehud Kaldor <ehud.kaldor at gmail.com
> > <mailto:ehud.kaldor at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi all,
> >     I'm looking for a cheap mini computer to use as a media hub. The
> >     kind that connects to your TV over HDMI and your network, and
> >     let's you watch local videos, as well as connecting to Netflix and
> >     the likes.
> >     Any recommendations? The only thing I seem to find are android
> >     based ones which I don't like, or expensive ones.
> >
> >
> > I think your best bet is going to be running this stuff on Android
> > (XBMC, Netflix) with a box
> > like http://www.amazon.com/electronics/dp/B00CH643A8
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Fri May 24 12:20:54 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:20:54 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG (short) outage this PM (sometime after 5pm)
Message-ID: <20130524122054.698457wwrszswy8s@webmail.rawbw.com>

FYI,

I'm planning bit of maintenance and short outage for SF-LUG this P.M.
(after 5:00 P.M., probably sometime after 6:00 P.M.).
Outage should be relatively short (estimated less than 5 minutes)
This WILL impact:
sf-lug.com www.sf-lug.com
sf-lug.org www.sf-lug.org
It will not impact the SF-LUG list and its services.




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Fri May 24 22:21:29 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 22:21:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] done: Re: SF-LUG (short) outage this PM (sometime after
	5pm)
In-Reply-To: <20130524122054.698457wwrszswy8s@webmail.rawbw.com>
References: <20130524122054.698457wwrszswy8s@webmail.rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20130524222129.10031aajw27oqq1w@webmail.rawbw.com>

and done, bit under 3 minutes outage.

references/excerpts:

2013-05-25 03:01:42+00:00 up 208.96.15.252 80
2013-05-25 03:16:05+00:00 up --> down 208.96.15.252 80
2013-05-25 03:19:01+00:00 down --> up 208.96.15.252 80

$ cmp sf-lug/ck_sf-lug.com. sf-lug/ck_sf-lug.org. &&
> expand -t 4 < sf-lug/ck_sf-lug.org.
#!/bin/sh
exec ck_IP_tcpPORT 208.96.15.252 80
$ expand -t 4 < ~/bin/ck_IP_tcpPORT
#!/bin/sh
[ $# -eq 2 ] || {
     1>&2 echo "usage: $0 IP_address TCP_port"
     exit 1
}
IP="$1"
PORT="$2"
sleep=1
timeout=5
status=
while :
do
     if nc -w "$timeout" -z "$IP" 80; then
         # up
         case x"$status" in
             xup)
                 # no change in status
                 :
             ;;
             xdown)
                 # down --> up
                 echo $(TZ=GMT0 date +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S+00:00')  
"$status --> up $IP 80"
             ;;
             x)
                 # ??? --> up
                 echo $(TZ=GMT0 date +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S+00:00') "up $IP 80"
             ;;
         esac
         status=up
     else
         # timeout/down/refused
         case x"$status" in
             xdown)
                 # no change in status
                 :
             ;;
             xup)
                 # up --> down
                 echo $(TZ=GMT0 date +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S+00:00')  
"$status --> down $IP 80"
             ;;
             x)
                 # ??? --> down
                 echo $(TZ=GMT0 date +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S+00:00') "down $IP 80"
             ;;
         esac
         status=down
     fi
     sleep "$sleep"
done
$

http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2013q2/010037.html




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon May 27 09:54:48 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 09:54:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday June 2, 2013
Message-ID: <51A38FD8.3020103@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 4 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From algoldor at yahoo.com  Tue May 28 05:04:21 2013
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 05:04:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] creating Windows 7 installation USB from Linux, no good
Message-ID: <1369742661.4673.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,
I need to reinstall Windows 7 on my girlfriend's computer (netbook) using USB drive and I'm failing to do so.

First I have tried to install Gparted and format the drive to ntfs based on ?this manual

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html


which seems to work.

In the next step I have installed Unetbootin but I did not manage to install the older version which is suppose to allow to create Windows 7 image based on ntfs, new version is suppose to cause troubles based on the manual (and now on my experience). If I format the drive to ntfs in the gparted, the Unetbootin doesn't recognize the drive as available and tells me to format it to fat32, which if I do it recognize the drive, do the installation of the ISO image but when I restart the computer it gives me the option to boot at the beginning from the USB but there is no?select able?option to click on, no Windows 7 installation available, so no good.

I'm now trying the terminal approach now fallowing this manual

http://anl4u.com/blog/how-to-create-live-bootable-usb-via-terminal-in-linux/


I have successfully formatted the drive to ntfs file system?

sudo mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdc1

which took a while but it worked and I used the dd command to create the bootable device from it using the Windows 7 iso image

sudo dd if=/home/algoldor/Downloads/Windows7Ultimate/Windows7Ultimate.iso of=/dev/sdc


It took a while to happen but it worked (well I did not wrote the message down, mistake but it was claiming to finish successfully). I've tried to reboot the computer and nothing, I just booted to my Ubuntu distro (and I have USB booting as priority in BIOS).

I'm getting this output when using mount command

/dev/sdb on /media/CD_ROM type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500,uhelper=udisks)


and this if using df -lh

/dev/sdb ? ? ? ?3.5G ?3.5G ? ? 0 100% /media/CD_ROM


Please note that this is 16 GB memory stick.

So now, what can I do to either to create the bootable installation USB with Windows 7 on it or what is the other way to install windows 7 on a netbook which is connected to the network - final plan is dual boot with Linux (Ubuntu or Mint) and Windows 7.?

Please note that I do not have LAN yet, I have a problem to set up my own router somehow (next thing to sort out), so just direct connection to the Internet not to my Ubuntu machine.

Many thanks for any info,

Sincerely from Jeju,

FAA

Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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From JStrazza at yahoo.com  Tue May 28 20:18:12 2013
From: JStrazza at yahoo.com (John Strazzarino)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:18:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday June 2, 2013
In-Reply-To: <51A38FD8.3020103@dslextreme.com>
References: <51A38FD8.3020103@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <F8F39FE9-70C6-4606-9C00-B47AC23D769E@yahoo.com>

As hoped, my friend, Emilio, will be bringing along his Raspberry Pi for your enjoyment/questions.

Come one, come all.

John


Sent from my iPad

On May 27, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

>    SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
> at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.
> 
>    These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
> year so far of 4 members.   If you have a problem come along
> and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
> who can.
>    If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
> along.
> 
>       Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
> to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
> to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
> parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
> Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
> or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
> to end the meeting.
> 
>    Thanks for your attention
> 
>    Bobbie Sellers
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 29 11:23:13 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1369851793.84170.YahooMailRC@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Thu May 30 13:19:49 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:19:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Big progress on launchpad's bug number one
In-Reply-To: <20130110035554.GL14622@linuxmafia.com>
References: <CAA9tYz=Qk=RaQdRkZEAyFGme1DyzprdRGrK5WbRJHXBb-3xDiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130107181325.GD14622@linuxmafia.com>
	<CAA9tYz=4sfrZsuLjZjuWzMNCyCfnR-8UR3piLCp6jZ7vsaEHgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130107190350.GG14622@linuxmafia.com>
	<50EB2025.9030405@gmail.com>
	<20130107194615.GC17505@linuxmafia.com>
	<20130108030649.GA1767@shallowsky.com> <50EBBA55.6020608@gmail.com>
	<20130108075555.GP14622@linuxmafia.com>
	<20130110033408.GB1781@shallowsky.com>
	<20130110035554.GL14622@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFGrswtc=em751dJ64gX46svRNtKj7rYKqPSGYsa-cQRxA@mail.gmail.com>

...And to close this thread on an up note, Canonical decided to close the
bug:
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/05/30/1520213/ubuntu-closes-longstanding-bug-1


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

>
> Akkana, thanks for the details.
>
> Quoting Akkana Peck (akkana at shallowsky.com):
>
> > Newer models, especially ARM ones, are presumably UEFI and don't have
> > that option.
>
> I hear that the UEFI on ARM-based models is a total roadblock (short of
> reflashing or replacing the ROM), making those purely locked-down
> appliances and not general-purpose computers.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From shane at faultymonk.org  Thu May 30 14:18:58 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:18:58 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] creating Windows 7 installation USB from Linux, no good
In-Reply-To: <1369742661.4673.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1369742661.4673.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCTwrj-f=9Aqf9gZAOfFJmXxA5Jeh52X3gpLSKBP71Norg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I need to reinstall Windows 7 on my girlfriend's computer (netbook) using
> USB drive and I'm failing to do so.
>

Have you tried http://en.congelli.eu/prog_info_winusb.html ?
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From chezbut at gmail.com  Thu May 30 15:39:32 2013
From: chezbut at gmail.com (Zach Hanna)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 15:39:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] creating Windows 7 installation USB from Linux, no good
In-Reply-To: <CA+rfdCTwrj-f=9Aqf9gZAOfFJmXxA5Jeh52X3gpLSKBP71Norg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1369742661.4673.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CA+rfdCTwrj-f=9Aqf9gZAOfFJmXxA5Jeh52X3gpLSKBP71Norg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAv0QeSPfMJDAAdk4PSd4tbq7OsmKAn12z+um-kHNz5sJA2qRw@mail.gmail.com>

2 options:
Unetbootin (GUI)
Windows 7 USB creator on microsofts site (windows only)


On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Shane Tzen wrote:

> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'algoldor at yahoo.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> I need to reinstall Windows 7 on my girlfriend's computer (netbook) using
>> USB drive and I'm failing to do so.
>>
>
> Have you tried http://en.congelli.eu/prog_info_winusb.html ?
>
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  4 11:35:16 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:35:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1370370916.6230.YahooMailRC@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From shane at faultymonk.org  Wed Jun  5 11:39:53 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:39:53 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] creating Windows 7 installation USB from Linux, no good
In-Reply-To: <CAAv0QeSPfMJDAAdk4PSd4tbq7OsmKAn12z+um-kHNz5sJA2qRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1369742661.4673.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CA+rfdCTwrj-f=9Aqf9gZAOfFJmXxA5Jeh52X3gpLSKBP71Norg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAv0QeSPfMJDAAdk4PSd4tbq7OsmKAn12z+um-kHNz5sJA2qRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCQdhmWKfko8DF-RfDSf_CWkf-Vn91fKOBoAGbbWuLF3hQ@mail.gmail.com>

BTW, I got curious and finally got around trying it myself and the winusb
(URL below) works (on Debian Wheezy).  The ISO I had on had was the
win2k8R2 (essentialy win7), so I would imagine that works too.  Looks like
it uses some grub trick to boot the ISO from the USB stick.


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Zach Hanna <chezbut at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2 options:
> Unetbootin (GUI)
> Windows 7 USB creator on microsofts site (windows only)
>
>
> On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Shane Tzen wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I need to reinstall Windows 7 on my girlfriend's computer (netbook)
>>> using USB drive and I'm failing to do so.
>>>
>>
>> Have you tried http://en.congelli.eu/prog_info_winusb.html ?
>>
>
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From patelfarid24 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 17:10:20 2013
From: patelfarid24 at gmail.com (farid patel)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 17:10:20 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] need help installing unifi controller on debian
Message-ID: <CAHt-gsWrH=7UXr9KVX2-UJorWcmt83KE0Yvn0fLemhMcYTNCbg@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to install 3.1.2 on a Debian 7 virtual machine. This is the
error that i am getting



   1.

   Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
   requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
   distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
   or been moved out of Incoming.
   The following information may help to resolve the situation:

   The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   unifi : Depends: jsvc but it is not installable
   E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.








So Far this are the steps I have followed.  Thanks for your time and help



1. vi  /etc/apt/sources.list



## Debian Squeeze (6.0)
deb http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/unifi/distros/deb/squeeze squeeze ubiquiti
deb http://downloads-distro.mongodb.org/repo/debian-sysvinit dist 10gen



 2.

sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv C0A52C50



3.

apt-get update



4.

apt-get install unifi-beta
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From algoldor at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  5 20:43:38 2013
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:43:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] creating Windows 7 installation USB from Linux, no good
In-Reply-To: <CA+rfdCQdhmWKfko8DF-RfDSf_CWkf-Vn91fKOBoAGbbWuLF3hQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1369742661.4673.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CA+rfdCTwrj-f=9Aqf9gZAOfFJmXxA5Jeh52X3gpLSKBP71Norg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAv0QeSPfMJDAAdk4PSd4tbq7OsmKAn12z+um-kHNz5sJA2qRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+rfdCQdhmWKfko8DF-RfDSf_CWkf-Vn91fKOBoAGbbWuLF3hQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1370490218.29480.YahooMailNeo@web121501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,
Just short note, I had to take brake, however I ?tried few other staff without success. I will post my newest attempts today ...

However I'm starting to wonder what are the chances that there are some hardware issues with this particular USB? I plan to take step back and turn it first to Ubuntu Life distro, if it works that should mostly rule out the hardware problem option and I will move back to ntfs formating and Windows install staff.

By the way I used WinUSB utiliity which?claimed?successfully install everything (after I did terminal based ntfs file system creation -?successful?one ...) but it did not booted just went directly to my Ubuntu distro.

Sincerely,


FAA ?
?

Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi



________________________________
 From: Shane Tzen <shane at faultymonk.org>
To: Zach Hanna <chezbut at gmail.com> 
Cc: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>; Linux Maffia <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] creating Windows 7 installation USB from Linux, no good
 


BTW, I got curious and finally got around trying it myself and the winusb (URL below) works (on Debian Wheezy). ?The ISO I had on had was the win2k8R2 (essentialy win7), so I would imagine that works too. ?Looks like it uses some grub trick to boot the ISO from the USB stick.




On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Zach Hanna <chezbut at gmail.com> wrote:

2 options:
>Unetbootin (GUI)
>Windows 7 USB creator on microsofts site (windows only)
>
>
>On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Shane Tzen  wrote:
>
>On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>I need to reinstall Windows 7 on my girlfriend's computer (netbook) using USB drive and I'm failing to do so.
>>
>>
>>Have you tried?http://en.congelli.eu/prog_info_winusb.html??
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From nbs at sonic.net  Thu Jun  6 10:18:48 2013
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:18:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	June 17: "Exploring the Terminal"
Message-ID: <201306061718.r56HImt6016920@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  June 17, 2013
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:
  Exploring the Terminal
  by Micah Cowan

  Everything you ever wanted to know about the terminal -- the virtual
  consule used for interacting with the command-line and text-based
  applications:

    * how terminals work,
    * the special codes used to move the cursor to different positions,
      set colors and graphical effects, draw dialogs, or designate character
      encodings,
    * the terminfo and termcap databases for terminal features,

  and how to:

    * make a custom color bash prompt,
    * record and play back terminal sessions,
    * create interactive demos to run on the terminal, and
    * manage a set of "virtual" terminals you can disconnect from and
      reconnect to, using tools called terminal multiplexers.

  Various useful utility programs will be covered in the course of this
  talk, including:

    * script, scriptreplay
      Record and playback terminal sessions.

    * teseq, reseq
      (both written by the speaker)
      Explain invisible sequences of characters that control the terminal,
      using plain English, and turn those explanations back into terminal
      control sequences.  Also useful for creating interactive demos to
      run on the terminal, out of terminal sessions recorded with the
      script command (above).

    * screen, tmux
      (portions written by the speaker)
      Set up terminals you can detach from, and reconnect to later (very
      useful for leaving things running on a server, and reconnecting
      from elsewhere to see the results).

    * prompt-jobs.sh
      (written by the speaker)
      Instantly add color and an abbreviated suspended jobs list to your
      interactive shell prompt.

  Note on this talk's technical level: Terminal features can be a very
  technical subject; however, it is believed that there will be something
  of interest to audience members of any technical skill, if they find
  themselves using the terminal. No previous knowledge of terminals will
  be assumed for this talk.


About the speaker:

  Micah Cowan is a programmer, musician, typesetting enthusiast and gamer.
  Along with engineering positions at the likes of VMWare, Inc., Nano ISI
  and Barracuda Networks, Micah is also active in the open source community,
  acting as manager of the GNU Project's Wget application, mentoring and
  admin'ing GNU Project participation in the Google Summer of Code program,
  and fixing bugs in Ubuntu OS.


This meeting will be held at:

  Davis Public Library
  Blanchard meeting room
  315 East 14th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

or simply:

  http://www.lugod.org/ (and follow the links)


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can find LUGOD on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From shane at faultymonk.org  Thu Jun  6 11:16:46 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:16:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] creating Windows 7 installation USB from Linux, no good
In-Reply-To: <1370490218.29480.YahooMailNeo@web121501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1369742661.4673.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CA+rfdCTwrj-f=9Aqf9gZAOfFJmXxA5Jeh52X3gpLSKBP71Norg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAv0QeSPfMJDAAdk4PSd4tbq7OsmKAn12z+um-kHNz5sJA2qRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+rfdCQdhmWKfko8DF-RfDSf_CWkf-Vn91fKOBoAGbbWuLF3hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1370490218.29480.YahooMailNeo@web121501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCT4j4ovu2-v5S8ZVzC5ricRLUXSueE5kLOQFheWj7b-cg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:

> However I'm starting to wonder what are the chances that there are some
> hardware issues with this particular USB? I plan to take
>

Presumably, if you can boot from a USB stick on that hardware (anything,
doesn't matter), then it's most likely not the hardware (you may also want
to check the boot order in the BIOS).
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From maestro415 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 13:00:47 2013
From: maestro415 at gmail.com (maestro)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:00:47 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	June 17: "Exploring the Terminal"
In-Reply-To: <201306061718.r56HImt6016920@bolt.sonic.net>
References: <201306061718.r56HImt6016920@bolt.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CANe-2tf3QZNECoZgCL7T53ytoLLdN2gH86XanZ9-aoe1W8FAaw@mail.gmail.com>

if there is any way you can record this presentation and make it
available it will be awesome to share and use as a teaching tool...

i will be happy to spread the word for you that is available and give
due credit to the presenter and LUGOD...

please let us know if this is possible...


message ends
_____________________________________________________________________________________________



On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM, nbs <nbs at sonic.net> wrote:
>
> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:
>
>   Monday
>   June 17, 2013
>   7:00pm - 9:00pm
>
> Presentation:
>   Exploring the Terminal
>   by Micah Cowan
>
>   Everything you ever wanted to know about the terminal -- the virtual
>   consule used for interacting with the command-line and text-based
>   applications:
>
>     * how terminals work,
>     * the special codes used to move the cursor to different positions,
>       set colors and graphical effects, draw dialogs, or designate character
>       encodings,
>     * the terminfo and termcap databases for terminal features,
>
>   and how to:
>
>     * make a custom color bash prompt,
>     * record and play back terminal sessions,
>     * create interactive demos to run on the terminal, and
>     * manage a set of "virtual" terminals you can disconnect from and
>       reconnect to, using tools called terminal multiplexers.
>
>   Various useful utility programs will be covered in the course of this
>   talk, including:
>
>     * script, scriptreplay
>       Record and playback terminal sessions.
>
>     * teseq, reseq
>       (both written by the speaker)
>       Explain invisible sequences of characters that control the terminal,
>       using plain English, and turn those explanations back into terminal
>       control sequences.  Also useful for creating interactive demos to
>       run on the terminal, out of terminal sessions recorded with the
>       script command (above).
>
>     * screen, tmux
>       (portions written by the speaker)
>       Set up terminals you can detach from, and reconnect to later (very
>       useful for leaving things running on a server, and reconnecting
>       from elsewhere to see the results).
>
>     * prompt-jobs.sh
>       (written by the speaker)
>       Instantly add color and an abbreviated suspended jobs list to your
>       interactive shell prompt.
>
>   Note on this talk's technical level: Terminal features can be a very
>   technical subject; however, it is believed that there will be something
>   of interest to audience members of any technical skill, if they find
>   themselves using the terminal. No previous knowledge of terminals will
>   be assumed for this talk.
>
>
> About the speaker:
>
>   Micah Cowan is a programmer, musician, typesetting enthusiast and gamer.
>   Along with engineering positions at the likes of VMWare, Inc., Nano ISI
>   and Barracuda Networks, Micah is also active in the open source community,
>   acting as manager of the GNU Project's Wget application, mentoring and
>   admin'ing GNU Project participation in the Google Summer of Code program,
>   and fixing bugs in Ubuntu OS.
>
>
> This meeting will be held at:
>
>   Davis Public Library
>   Blanchard meeting room
>   315 East 14th Street
>   Davis, California 95616
>
>
> For more details on this meeting, visit:
>
>   http://www.lugod.org/meeting/
>
> or simply:
>
>   http://www.lugod.org/ (and follow the links)
>
>
> For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:
>
>   http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/
>
>
> ------------
> About LUGOD:
> ------------
>
>   The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
>   dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
>   and Free Software.
>
>   Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
>   in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
>   Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.
>
>   You can find LUGOD on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
>   and on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879
>
>   Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/
>
>
> --
> Bill Kendrick
> pr at lugod.org
> Public Relations Officer
> Linux Users' Group of Davis
> http://www.lugod.org/
>
> (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



-- 
~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Jun  7 09:28:43 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:28:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting of Sunday May 2, 2013
Message-ID: <51B20A3B.5050402@dslextreme.com>


     1045 Rick showed up for the first time in a couple of
years. He had ridden the same 38 bus as myself out to the
meeting.  Ken Schaeffer and wife showed up about the same time
as Jim Stockford, a welcome sight, then John Strazziano and
his wife.  About 1250 Eric showed up.
     I had continuous inability to connect to the internet.  I
  spent most of the meeting attempting to fix that problem but
  failed.  That may be due to a driver problem I have since
determined. Rick was welcomed back by Jim who remembered
  his previous attendance.
      Lots of discussion of various matters by all parties but
  I missed significant amounts as I was too occupied with the
  WiFi problem I was experiencing.
      The wives had an excellent discussion of dealing with
  nerdly husbands and also of one of my favorite TV shows the
  Big Bang Theory.  So the meeting was not a total loss for
  me.
      A bit after 1300 the meeting adjourned.
      Jim had recently returned from camping and had to
  rearrange the load of camping equipment in his car but
  gave Eric and myself a ride back to our respective homes.
  This was an excellent meeting aside from my personal
  difficulties with my computer.  6 members attended and
  two wives for the largest meeting so far of the year.

     Bobbie Sellers
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Sat Jun  8 14:03:37 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 14:03:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG meeting of Monday May 20, 2013 & the next day.
In-Reply-To: <519E7BB0.9010603@dslextreme.com>
References: <519E7BB0.9010603@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20130608210337.GC9808@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> I ended up with a manageable / partition but still don't understand
> why it filled up on me.

You used the phrase 'the system had to reformat and copy the contents of
the two relevant directories to the new partitions'.  Um...

> Note that I say the system did that for me.

Um, yeah, well, about that....

Those darned 'system' things, always messing you up, right?  ;->
It's all the system.  The system did it, Your Honour.

Well...

...Welcome to my world, the world of system administration.

Any time you muck about using root authority or its equivalents such
as the most common ways of wielding sudo (let alone slicing and dicing 
partitions from a live CD), you need to be really super-careful about
what you're doing, as there is no safety net whatsoever between you and
the countless ways of shooting your system in the foot.  You need to
learn to cultivate, in those situations, a Spidey-Sense tingle that goes
off when you are just about to carry about a risky operation, and that
_certainly_ includes just about any method I can think of of moving or
copying major system subtrees.

Mess up too badly when you do that -- or being there as an innocent
bystander when that devilish system 'does things for you' with root
authority and makes some hideous gaffe or other -- and you may find that
you have little option but to rebuild.

You may have done something like copy all of /usr somewhere so that 
you have it in two places.  You know how big all of /usr is on a typical
system?  Big.  Don't have much of a sense about how big major system
subtrees are, yet?  OK, that would be the next problem you ought to fix
before moving on to others.

Citing /usr is just an example.  There's no way of telling from what you
wrote what the cause is, because you didn't give enough information.

In _different_ circumstances, where a filesystem suddenly becomes close
to full for mysterious reasons and you have a reasonable suspicion it's
because of some runaway _big_ dynamic files, like huge logfiles, huge
corefiles, etc., the following neat little Perl script can be handy:

:r /usr/local/bin/largest20

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use File::Find;
@ARGV = $ENV{ PWD } unless @ARGV;
find ( sub { $size{ $File::Find::name } = -s if -f; }, @ARGV );
@sorted = sort { $size{ $b } <=> $size{ $a } } keys %size;
splice @sorted, 20 if @sorted > 20;
printf "%10d %s\n", $size{$_}, $_ for @sorted


(Readers, please note before you knee-jerk reply with some half-baked
'du' recipe that identifies the largest _subdirectory_ of a given
directory, that the above-cited Perl script does _not_ do that, but
rather finds and lists the largest individual files with a subtree.)

The perl script is of course trivially hackable to turn it into
/usr/local/bin/largest50 or such, if you wish.  Or go to town and make
the integer a command-line parameter, if you want to do that.





From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Jun  8 14:18:47 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:18:47 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG meeting of Monday May 20, 2013 & the next day.
In-Reply-To: <20130608210337.GC9808@linuxmafia.com>
References: <519E7BB0.9010603@dslextreme.com>
	<20130608210337.GC9808@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <51B39FB7.9050606@dslextreme.com>

On 06/08/2013 02:03 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):
>
>> I ended up with a manageable / partition but still don't understand
>> why it filled up on me.
> You used the phrase 'the system had to reformat and copy the contents of
> the two relevant directories to the new partitions'.  Um...
>
>> Note that I say the system did that for me.
> Um, yeah, well, about that....
>
> Those darned 'system' things, always messing you up, right?  ;->
> It's all the system.  The system did it, Your Honour.
>
> Well...
>
> ...Welcome to my world, the world of system administration.
>
> Any time you muck about using root authority or its equivalents such
> as the most common ways of wielding sudo (let alone slicing and dicing
> partitions from a live CD), you need to be really super-careful about
> what you're doing, as there is no safety net whatsoever between you and
> the countless ways of shooting your system in the foot.  You need to
> learn to cultivate, in those situations, a Spidey-Sense tingle that goes
> off when you are just about to carry about a risky operation, and that
> _certainly_ includes just about any method I can think of of moving or
> copying major system subtrees.
>
> Mess up too badly when you do that -- or being there as an innocent
> bystander when that devilish system 'does things for you' with root
> authority and makes some hideous gaffe or other -- and you may find that
> you have little option but to rebuild.
>
> You may have done something like copy all of /usr somewhere so that
> you have it in two places.  You know how big all of /usr is on a typical
> system?  Big.  Don't have much of a sense about how big major system
> subtrees are, yet?  OK, that would be the next problem you ought to fix
> before moving on to others.
>
> Citing /usr is just an example.  There's no way of telling from what you
> wrote what the cause is, because you didn't give enough information.
>
> In _different_ circumstances, where a filesystem suddenly becomes close
> to full for mysterious reasons and you have a reasonable suspicion it's
> because of some runaway _big_ dynamic files, like huge logfiles, huge
> corefiles, etc., the following neat little Perl script can be handy:
>
> :r /usr/local/bin/largest20
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> use File::Find;
> @ARGV = $ENV{ PWD } unless @ARGV;
> find ( sub { $size{ $File::Find::name } = -s if -f; }, @ARGV );
> @sorted = sort { $size{ $b } <=> $size{ $a } } keys %size;
> splice @sorted, 20 if @sorted > 20;
> printf "%10d %s\n", $size{$_}, $_ for @sorted
>
>
> (Readers, please note before you knee-jerk reply with some half-baked
> 'du' recipe that identifies the largest _subdirectory_ of a given
> directory, that the above-cited Perl script does _not_ do that, but
> rather finds and lists the largest individual files with a subtree.)
>
> The perl script is of course trivially hackable to turn it into
> /usr/local/bin/largest50 or such, if you wish.  Or go to town and make
> the integer a command-line parameter, if you want to do that.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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>
     Thanks Rick, i will try to keep your script handy for the next time
this happens.

     Bobbie
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Sat Jun  8 23:36:59 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 23:36:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG meeting of Monday May 20, 2013 & the next day.
In-Reply-To: <51B39FB7.9050606@dslextreme.com>
References: <519E7BB0.9010603@dslextreme.com>
	<20130608210337.GC9808@linuxmafia.com>
	<51B39FB7.9050606@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20130609063659.GF9808@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> Thanks Rick, i will try to keep your script handy for the next time
> this happens.

Just trying to make sure we-all are able to help you with your _current_
problem:  Sounds like you eventually managed to make the symptom (of
full root filesystem) go away by shrinking and rearranging filesystems,
but you never did find why / went to 100% in the first place.

Maybe we can still help you get to the bottom of that.  

You mentioned various things you did at the meeting, but that 
you noticed later, after you got home, that the root fs was now somehow
full, having not been even close to full before.[1]  Correct?

If so, then in general terms one of two things happened:  (1) Something
shrunk your root fs during the meeting.  (2) A whole lot of space got
consumed by new or expanded files created during the meeting.

#1 seems unlikely.  If you'd shrunk your root fs, you'd have remembered
doing so and mentioned it.  So, that leaves #2.

So, did you do any operation during the meeting involving drag-copying
folders or 'cp -r' or the like?  Maybe you inadvertantly duplicated some
very large tree of files.  If you did, and you have some recollection of
where you were and what you were near at the time, you should be able to
find the ringer subtree that isn't supposed to exist.  E.g., if you
remember you'd been drag-copying folders as user 'bliss' in a graphical
file manager, you might find something anomalous in one of the places
'bliss' is permitted to create files, like, say, a huge folder called
'usr' inside /home/bliss, /tmp, or some place like that.

If it's possible you had a similar mishap committed with root-user
authority, that's potentially a bit more difficult to diagnose after the
fact, as the files could have been bulk-copied to any destination.

I mentioned /usr because it's the largest subtree around (on a typical
system); hence, accidentally drag-copying it would be a great way to 
totally fill a filesystem.  However, there are others.


[1] This assumes you were at least vaguely cognizant of filesystem free
space and usage before the meeting and hadn't, say, been going around
99% full all along.  E.g., you bothered to run 'df' occasionally and
would have noticed space problems.  Some folks do, other folks never do.




From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  9 10:03:52 2013
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:03:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG meeting of Monday May 20, 2013 & the next day.
In-Reply-To: <20130609063659.GF9808@linuxmafia.com>
References: <519E7BB0.9010603@dslextreme.com>
	<20130608210337.GC9808@linuxmafia.com>
	<51B39FB7.9050606@dslextreme.com>
	<20130609063659.GF9808@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFEgb9D0rsd3Pp4B1=8-cwSQBzDHT9o2g+v7HyKf5xGZ4w@mail.gmail.com>

Another "fill-the-disk" copy is the infamous recursive copy, Doesn't have
to be big, it creates "lots" (until the disk is full) of copies of the same
files.  I think copying a parent (..) to the current directory will do it,
but not going to test it.  If you distribution has an indexing feature, you
can check for unexpected duplications of things in the suspect tree.
"locate libofa.so.0.0.0" will pretty quickly find any copies of the
/usr/lib.
Ken




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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Mon Jun 10 10:46:53 2013
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:46:53 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] where should django apps go?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ90M8hQme=NoEktKL35AQPxmD0trgGMUYie7KOO1E2+oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFoGK8FKZCKH7Kv334W0fWxZ5Nh3U4VXDK979Q26XydN-3ox3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ90M8hQme=NoEktKL35AQPxmD0trgGMUYie7KOO1E2+oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFoGK8ENPgFsFAp8SV7JkDbBJfUZt9O3tD09P5jXGUXO8oeYOw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Samir Faci <samir at esamir.com> wrote:
> Since nobody said anything in a while, I figured I'd chime in.
>
> I found that most of the time, packaged wb application in *Nix seems
> to do a pretty bad job.
>
> Half the tutorials on setting python and god help you rails, usually
> start by......
>
> ignore whatever came with your distribution and install pip or rvm

Hi Samir,

Thanks for replying. I got busy with grades, end-of-semester, etc. so
couldn't follow up. Yes, it is frustrating to see the instructions all
over the place. I have two requirements: 1) a scripted install in a
non-arbitrary location so that other applications that may co-exist on
this server know where this app is and can play nice. and 2) to be
able to do an offline install with all dependencies on a USB drive
(local repo?)

>
> Is there any reason you want to use a .deb file to distribute your
> application?  I'm not sure how good/ bad it is, since I haven't
> used it much, but isn't fabric the hip python thing to use for deployment?
The current platform is Fedora, so we are looking at RPM. The local
repo problem has been solved on that end. Deb is ok too...maybe we
could do DEB -> alien -> RPM

cheers,
Sameer

>
> http://docs.fabfile.org/en/1.6/  ?
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>> We have a Python Django application called Pathagar.
>>
>> https://github.com/PathagarBooks/pathagar
>>
>> Currently, we install using a set of instructions to install
>> dependencies (apt or yum) and then go configure the django part
>> itself. We've done this both in a home directory of a newly created
>> user (bookserver) and in /opt
>>
>> Now, we are thinking of packaging up all of this into an RPM and/or
>> DEB, but are at a loss. Conventionally, where should Python Django
>> apps go?
>>
>> Pinging the list because some of you may know.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sameer
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
>
> --
> Samir Faci
> *insert title*
> fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow
>
> Sent from my non-iphone laptop.
>
>



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Jun 10 13:16:12 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:16:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Monday May 17, 2013
Message-ID: <51B6340C.5050802@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.  This coming
Monday I may be late as I have an appointment in mid-afternoon.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.
     If I can get a fresh issue of Linux Pro magazine I will bring it
along.

        Meeting times are strictly nominal which means that I try
to show up on time or actually ahead of time, in case I have
to trouble shoot my set-up.  We leave if no other  interested
parties show up up by 7:30 Monday nights or 12:30  PM on
  Sundays.  On the other hand if you bring an interesting problem
or discussion we may hang out until long after the nominal time
to end the meeting.

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jun 10 14:19:04 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:19:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Monday May 17, 2013
In-Reply-To: <51B6340C.5050802@dslextreme.com>
References: <51B6340C.5050802@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20130610211904.GJ10264@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> SF Lug meeting Monday May 17, 2013

P.S.:  I think you've slightly misspelled 'June'.  ;->




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Jun 10 14:54:30 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:54:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Monday May 17, 2013
In-Reply-To: <20130610211904.GJ10264@linuxmafia.com>
References: <51B6340C.5050802@dslextreme.com>
	<20130610211904.GJ10264@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <51B64B16.4090401@dslextreme.com>

On 06/10/2013 02:19 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):
>
>> SF Lug meeting Monday May 17, 2013
> P.S.:  I think you've slightly misspelled 'June'.  ;->
>
>
     You are certainly correct in that matter.  June 17th of course.

     I thought I was getting enough rest but maybe not.

     Bobbie




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 11 10:40:30 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:40:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1370972430.82259.YahooMailNeo@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Jun 14 13:01:32 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:01:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] WiFi problem
Message-ID: <51BB769C.9040904@dslextreme.com>


	Hi LUGgers,
		Well I have an Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x/ AR542x Wireless 
Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) and it works Ok with the PCLOS 
ISO running in Live mode.
	But of course I installed this to hard disk and now it tells
me that it cannot create a Network interface to the driver, apparently
ath5k.	
	Of course I could do a full re-install and hope that helps
while I wait thru over a thousand updates from online.

	But maybe someone has a better idea.

	bliss



From samir at esamir.com  Fri Jun 14 13:14:07 2013
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:14:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] WiFi problem
In-Reply-To: <51BB769C.9040904@dslextreme.com>
References: <51BB769C.9040904@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ7OkQ94PNpQxiniXy0gOwt6QS5RNATr_yGv-FFxY9_QqX3R5w@mail.gmail.com>

Simple google search for y our card seems to point to install madwifi.  It
seems to be suggestions for a few of the same problems people are facing.

Try installing madwifi, rebooting and seeing if that changes anything?


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Bobbie Sellers <
bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
>         Hi LUGgers,
>                 Well I have an Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x/ AR542x
> Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) and it works Ok with the
> PCLOS ISO running in Live mode.
>         But of course I installed this to hard disk and now it tells
> me that it cannot create a Network interface to the driver, apparently
> ath5k.
>         Of course I could do a full re-install and hope that helps
> while I wait thru over a thousand updates from online.
>
>         But maybe someone has a better idea.
>
>         bliss
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/**listinfo/sf-lug<http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug>
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



-- 
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Jun 14 17:45:44 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:45:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] WiFi problem
In-Reply-To: <CAJ7OkQ94PNpQxiniXy0gOwt6QS5RNATr_yGv-FFxY9_QqX3R5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51BB769C.9040904@dslextreme.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ94PNpQxiniXy0gOwt6QS5RNATr_yGv-FFxY9_QqX3R5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51BBB938.5060107@dslextreme.com>

On 06/14/2013 01:14 PM, Samir Faci wrote:
> Simple google search for y our card seems to point to install madwifi.  It
> seems to be suggestions for a few of the same problems people are facing.
>
> Try installing madwifi, rebooting and seeing if that changes anything?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Bobbie Sellers <
> bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>>          Hi LUGgers,
>>                  Well I have an Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x/ AR542x
>> Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) and it works Ok with the
>> PCLOS ISO running in Live mode.
>>          But of course I installed this to hard disk and now it tells
>> me that it cannot create a Network interface to the driver, apparently
>> ath5k.
>>          Of course I could do a full re-install and hope that helps
>> while I wait thru over a thousand updates from online.
>>
>>          But maybe someone has a better idea.
>>
>>          bliss
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/**listinfo/sf-lug<http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug>
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>

         Well  I got everything i need to install it but due to my 
earlier intellectual activity I don't seem to have enough
left to finish the job today.  Earlier I was turning my wireless router 
back on.  Maybe I can get the MadWiFi installed
and running by Monday night.
     Thanks for your advice Samir.

     Bobbie Sellers




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Jun 15 10:03:16 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:03:16 -0500
Subject: [sf-lug] WiFi problem
In-Reply-To: <51BBB938.5060107@dslextreme.com>
References: <51BB769C.9040904@dslextreme.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ94PNpQxiniXy0gOwt6QS5RNATr_yGv-FFxY9_QqX3R5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<51BBB938.5060107@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <51BC9E54.9010801@dslextreme.com>

On 06/14/2013 07:45 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 06/14/2013 01:14 PM, Samir Faci wrote:
>> Simple google search for y our card seems to point to install 
>> madwifi.  It
>> seems to be suggestions for a few of the same problems people are 
>> facing.
>>
>> Try installing madwifi, rebooting and seeing if that changes anything?
>>

 >        Well  I got everything i need to install it but due to my 
earlier intellectual activity I don't seem to have enough >left to 
finish the job today.  Earlier I was turning my wireless router back 
on.  Maybe I can get the MadWiFi installed >and running by Monday night.
   >  Thanks for your advice Samir.

 >   Bobbie Sellers


     I got some excellent advice from Jim Beard of the Usenet newsgroup 
alt.os.linux.pclinuxos
first to try this command (which gave me nothing) :lsmod |grep ath5k
      Then I tried modprobe ath5k which denied the possibility of the 
action even from root.

     So as I had been reminded by Jim I then did a re-install without 
formatting any partitions
and so I am now running (after some adjustments to certain matters) on 
wireless.
The command lsmod |grep ath5k now gives the following information.
ath5k                 139076  0
ath                    14573  1 ath5k
mac80211              233122  1 ath5k
cfg80211              170934  3 ath5k,ath,mac80211

     I don't know if other systems install disks can do this but 
Mandriva, Mageia and PCLOS
seem to have no problems with it.

     Bobbie
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Bobbie Sellers <
>> bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>>>          Hi LUGgers,
>>>                  Well I have an Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x/ 
>>> AR542x
>>> Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) and it works Ok with 
>>> the
>>> PCLOS ISO running in Live mode.
>>>          But of course I installed this to hard disk and now it tells
>>> me that it cannot create a Network interface to the driver, apparently
>>> ath5k.
>>>          Of course I could do a full re-install and hope that helps
>>> while I wait thru over a thousand updates from online.
>>>
>>>          But maybe someone has a better idea.
>>>
>>>          bliss
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/**listinfo/sf-lug<http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug> 
>>>
>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>>
>




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Jun 17 07:37:31 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:37:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2013-06-18 BALUG meeting;
	& other BALUG items
Message-ID: <20130617073731.52085m9rmsw2v280@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2013-06-18 BALUG meeting; & other BALUG items

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-06-18: BALUG meeting!
CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.
volunteering to help BALUG
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-06-18 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have a
specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that
doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings.
Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to
announce or fully publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice
in the past six or so years).  Got questions, answers, and/or
opinions?  We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s)
present to cover LINUX and related topic areas.  Want to hear some
interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics?  Show up at the
meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish.  Want to help
ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings?
Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker
coordinators.  Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to
be had.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, June 18th, 2013 2013-06-18

                        Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
              cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
              family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
              also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping
              to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the BALUG meeting (at least the following):

CDs/DVDs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

We typically also have at least a few other items up for grabs.

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jun 17 16:53:37 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:53:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] WiFi problem
In-Reply-To: <51BC9E54.9010801@dslextreme.com>
References: <51BB769C.9040904@dslextreme.com>
	<CAJ7OkQ94PNpQxiniXy0gOwt6QS5RNATr_yGv-FFxY9_QqX3R5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<51BBB938.5060107@dslextreme.com> <51BC9E54.9010801@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20130617235337.GO10264@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

>      Then I tried modprobe ath5k which denied the possibility of the
> action even from root.

Bobbie, you in general do a very attentive and diligent job of reporting
symptoms when seeking online help, and should be commended for that. 
It's often really frustrating to try to help newcomers because they
haplessly post their guesses and vague descriptions rather than the raw
diagnostic data that other people need in order to help them.

That bit about 'denied the possibility of the action even from root'
would be an example of something that's, I'm sure, as precise as your
recollection of something detailed and technical will permit, but at the
same time uselessly vague.

For years, I wondered why users persisted on posting things like that,
then it finally occurred to me:  Most people don't keep verbatim records
of problems as the symptoms occur, and thus after the fact the best they
can do is describe what happened from memory.  So, they end up saying
things like 'denied the possibility of the action even from root'.

I have couple of suggestions that may help going forward.  One is to
keep a composition book or legal pad where you write notes about what
happens to a system, as it happens -- anything you think worthy of
note, to whatever depth of detail you think might be useful later.

The other thing is, as you work at a system's shell prompt attempting to
solve a problem, you can and should copy and paste relevant details into
an ASCII text editor in another window.  Save that text file, copy it to
a USB flash drive, then you can quote from it in your postings to places
like here asking for help and comments.

Within a single shell session, you can alternatively use  the 'script'
command, which opens a subshell and then logs all terminal activity into
an ASCII session file, default name 'typescript', which gets closed
whenever you do 'exit' or 'Ctrl-D' to close the subshell.

Doing one or the other of those things when you're having future
problems will definitely help others help you.


About your specific recent problem, on the one hand it's A Very Good
Thing that blowing away and reinstalling made your problem go away.
OTOH, you see, it would had significant long-term value for you to have
understood what the problem was and what was causing it.


One other suggestion of probable long-term usefulness:  It's often handy
to boot a cutting-edge recent live-CD distro and let it autodetect your
hardware, and then run 'lsmod | more' to see what drivers it used.
Doing this with a live CD allows you to see what a working driver
solution looks like without having to install anything.




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 18 14:34:49 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:34:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1371591289.10194.YahooMailNeo@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in 
the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Tue Jun 18 15:23:46 2013
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:23:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Reminder: BALUG this evening!: Tu 2013-06-18 BALUG meeting;
	&	other BALUG items
Message-ID: <20130618152346.10527bljcea49o0s@webmail.rawbw.com>

Reminder: BALUG this evening!: Tu 2013-06-18 BALUG meeting; & other  
BALUG items

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2013-06-18: BALUG meeting!
CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.
volunteering to help BALUG
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

For our 2013-06-18 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have a
specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that
doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings.
Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to
announce or fully publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice
in the past six or so years).  Got questions, answers, and/or
opinions?  We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s)
present to cover LINUX and related topic areas.  Want to hear some
interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics?  Show up at the
meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish.  Want to help
ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings?
Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker
coordinators.  Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to
be had.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, June 18th, 2013 2013-06-18

                        Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
              cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
              family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
              also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping
              to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

CDs/DVDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the BALUG meeting (at least the following):

CDs/DVDs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details.

We typically also have at least a few other items up for grabs.

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o chief/assistant cat herder
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring in ideas!)

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From patelfarid24 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 18:26:17 2013
From: patelfarid24 at gmail.com (farid patel)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:26:17 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at Noisebridge
In-Reply-To: <1371591289.10194.YahooMailNeo@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1371591289.10194.YahooMailNeo@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAHt-gsXV23XnXXr3nj-S0K=ZzjBuh5tH-ssekhZOp=J5bVif2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am out side building needs help
On Jun 18, 2013 2:38 PM, "Joseph Puig" <jbpuig at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at
> Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in
> the Turing classroom.
>
> Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in
> San Francisco.
>
> Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net
>
> Joseph
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Jun 21 09:59:44 2013
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:59:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting on Monday June 17th
Message-ID: <51C48680.30300@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGers,

         Despite my fear of being late I arrived on time.
         We had one new prospective member show up brought to the Cafe 
by his
father.   Yes a teenager.   He hopes to recruit other young members to 
join the
group.
     Asidefrom that and some conversation about the various 
distributions only
Eric showed up.
     The meeting was concluded at 8 PM and Eric and I rode the 38L Geary 
bus back to
Van Ness Ave.  There we parted as Eric had to take another bus and I 
decided to
walk on home.  The teenager was picked up byhis father before we left 
the Cafe.

Checking with Jim Stockford he is Ok but was preoccupied with other matters.

Bobbie Sellers
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 25 10:56:03 2013
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Wed Jun 26 6PM SF-LUG Linux Discussion/Problem Solving at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1372182963.89519.YahooMailNeo@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion and Problem Solving meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco.

Info:? www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph
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From guacamolepandemonium at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 11:55:45 2013
From: guacamolepandemonium at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:55:45 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Google Reader data saving w/ ArchiveTeam;
 users, programmers and tech company employees needed; Deadline July 1st
In-Reply-To: <CANjojKTTH-KjSOnptrUFWOWkFSxx+AOC=5Nk5vpTq6CvyZzKmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANjojKTTH-KjSOnptrUFWOWkFSxx+AOC=5Nk5vpTq6CvyZzKmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANjojKTEGNpR7Nr_5aA80_Szgstp8M4DNbg0AL+71enVEMOHCw@mail.gmail.com>

By the way, the resulting data will be available at the Internet Archive (
https://archive.org ) (in big archive files called 'warc' files here:
http://archive.org/details/archiveteam_greader) and the operation is part
of the ArchiveTeam which is a volunteer org that quickly downloads sites
that are going down soon.

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Will <guacamolepandemonium at gmail.com>wrote:

> ArchiveTeam needs YOUR HELP in saving Google Reader's cached data[0].
> Right now we mainly need ***URLS to feeds (RSS, Atom, etc)***, which come
> from crawling sites[1] to get usernames lists and topic lists (newline
> separated), and from anyone with access to crawled information (also anyone
> at Google or other companies/organizations that would have web crawled
> data).
>
> Lists of urls can be submitted[2] and also OPML files[2], and lists of
> keywords that are important to people (please put "querylist" in the titles
> of those files)[2].
>
> Sites looking to replace Google Reader should have an interest in the
> cached data since they can then offer that to their users as a feature.
>
> Please tell anyone you think would be interested in the ArchiveTeam Google
> Reader effort!!
>
> More information in #donereading on EFnet[3]
>
>
> [0] http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Google_Reader
>
> [1]
> http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Google_Reader#Crawl_websites_to_discover_blogs_and_usernames
>
> [2] http://allyourfeed.ludios.org:8080/
>
> [3] http://chat.efnet.org:9090/?nick=&channels=%23donereading&Login=Login
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From jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 13:19:35 2013
From: jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com (Jason Kirk)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:19:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Help needed quickly - willing to pay
Message-ID: <CAC-3WLrfxFhWPd0MKOeFwduuAurQThLoLW_3HOB9WqA=sYd_=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm an extremely novice Linux user running Ubuntu 11.10 and got a message
that cannot open session "Ubuntu" but can open my terminal window. This is
probably a very easy problem for most of you on this list. I'm willing to
pay/tip for either phone or in person help. I'd come to you of course.

I'm in somewhat of a panic as I'm in the middle of a job search and
desperately need to get back online.

If anyone would be so kind as to call or email me, I'd be most grateful.

Kindest Regards,
Jason Kirk
415-786-2959
Jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com
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From shane at faultymonk.org  Tue Jun 25 13:27:37 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:27:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Help needed quickly - willing to pay
In-Reply-To: <CAC-3WLrfxFhWPd0MKOeFwduuAurQThLoLW_3HOB9WqA=sYd_=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-3WLrfxFhWPd0MKOeFwduuAurQThLoLW_3HOB9WqA=sYd_=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCSSx9cZ3Yg9fQ_X+bkNct+rzb+xN+bA4eJyMqGqxc4bcw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Jason Kirk <jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm an extremely novice Linux user running Ubuntu 11.10 and got a message
> that cannot open session "Ubuntu" but can open my terminal window. This is
> probably a very easy problem for most of you on this list. I'm willing to
> pay/tip for either phone or in person help. I'd come to you of course.
>
Have you given http://goo.gl/EBHSh a try?
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Jun 25 15:18:44 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:18:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Help needed quickly - willing to pay
In-Reply-To: <CAC-3WLrfxFhWPd0MKOeFwduuAurQThLoLW_3HOB9WqA=sYd_=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-3WLrfxFhWPd0MKOeFwduuAurQThLoLW_3HOB9WqA=sYd_=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130625221844.GD2920@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Jason Kirk (jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com):

> I'm an extremely novice Linux user running Ubuntu 11.10 and got a message
> that cannot open session "Ubuntu" but can open my terminal window. This is
> probably a very easy problem for most of you on this list. I'm willing to
> pay/tip for either phone or in person help. I'd come to you of course.
> 
> I'm in somewhat of a panic as I'm in the middle of a job search and
> desperately need to get back online.
> 
> If anyone would be so kind as to call or email me, I'd be most grateful.

Tip of the hat to Shane Tzen for his suggestion that the problem might
be a leftover .Xauthority file in your home directory that X11 (the
graphical subsystem) is choking on.

Of course, that might or might not be root cause of your problem.  Could
be something else.


Suggestion:  You will get better answers if you take the trouble to be
very specific.  E.g., quote any error messages absolutely verbatim.
That means keeping accurate notes, or taking photos using your cellular,
or whatever works for you -- but just a semi-close paraphrase is often
worse than useless, because would-be helpers will Web-search the alleged
error text and find either nothing or be lead down blind allies.


In general:

On any Unixey system, it's in your interest to know how to do all of
these things in order to cross-check things:

o  Login as the root user.
o  Create an additional regular user and login as that user.
o  Start a simplified graphical session for your regular user
   instead of the complex one you usually use (such as Ubuntu's
   Unity / GNOME3 desktop).

The reason these are useful is that they help you isolate what's causing
problems.  E.g., if you can do things as user root and as additional
regular users but not as _your_ user, then the problem must be confined 
to something about your user.

Which, if true, would lead you to suspect a problem with dotfiles
(such as .Xauthority) in your home directory or /tmp.  Which theory
you could then test by doing

[login to your home directory, in a terminal window.]
mkdir saved
mv .Xauthority .gnome2 saved

And include whatever other file looks like it might have created a problem.
Note that this is a non-destructive test, because you can mv the files
back if they're not the cause.

Those tips may seem too much to deal with, at the moment.  However, bear
them in mind going forward, as they'll be very useful in a variety of
other situations you may encounter later.




From jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 19:59:18 2013
From: jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com (Jason Kirk)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:59:18 +0000
Subject: [sf-lug] getting closer but not sure what to do
Message-ID: <CAC-3WLo8djeK95qdOCSwKDmp9UteHNSJ7dNSC-LL9y5G5dfTUw@mail.gmail.com>

I got the following info on my problem of not being able to log in my
regular user account on Ubuntu 11.10 as it give me the error message
unable to start session "Ubuntu"

here's what I tried in a sysresccd terminal window:

root at sysresccd /root % sudo mv ~/.Xauthority ~/.Xauthority.old
zsh: correct 'sudo' to '_sudo' [nyae]? y
_arguments:comparguments:312: can only be called from completion function
root at sysresccd /root % ln -s "$XAUTHORITY" ~/.Xauthority
ln: failed to create symbolic link `/root/.Xauthority': File exists
root at sysresccd /root % ls -l "$XAUTHORITY" ~/.Xauthority
-rw------- 1 root root 103 Jun 25 19:28 /root/.Xauthority
-rw------- 1 root root 103 Jun 25 19:28 /root/.Xauthority
root at sysresccd /root %

Also, I am not sure that my user account "jek" still even exists...how
can I check that?

Thanks for the help so far.

Jason



From shane at faultymonk.org  Tue Jun 25 20:21:27 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:21:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] getting closer but not sure what to do
In-Reply-To: <CAC-3WLo8djeK95qdOCSwKDmp9UteHNSJ7dNSC-LL9y5G5dfTUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-3WLo8djeK95qdOCSwKDmp9UteHNSJ7dNSC-LL9y5G5dfTUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+rfdCRPG6R8qb=Eaen3xiwbjpE=keDvQ_U8QFSh-XYtbwD11w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Jason Kirk <jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com>wrote:

> root at sysresccd /root % sudo mv ~/.Xauthority ~/.Xauthority.old
> zsh: correct 'sudo' to '_sudo' [nyae]? y
> _arguments:comparguments:312: can only be called from completion function
>

You're already root, so there's no need to sudo.  The second command is
failing because the first command is failing.  Try everything again and
just leave out the sudo bits.
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Jun 25 20:46:24 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:46:24 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Help needed quickly - willing to pay
Message-ID: <20130626034624.GI20424@linuxmafia.com>

I'm assuming Jason meant to post this to the mailing list and went
offlist into private mail accidentally.

----- Forwarded message from Jason Kirk <jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com> -----

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:36:07 -0700
From: Jason Kirk <jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com>
To: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Help needed quickly - willing to pay

I appreciate your email. I can now easily boot my PC with sysresccd and
have a graphic interface but when I do that before it goes to the interface
it says something about warning no Xauthority sir exists and then goes to
the graphic interface. I'm sure this is a simple problem. I just have no
clue what I'm doing and slowly trodding along.

Is there a way for me to check that it's not something stupid like a
deleted did that's needed?

Regards,
Jason

[RM: Snip Jason's quoting the prior thread at the bottom of his mail.]

----- End forwarded message -----



From jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 21:31:55 2013
From: jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com (Jason Kirk)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:31:55 +0000
Subject: [sf-lug] getting closer but not sure what to do
In-Reply-To: <CA+rfdCRPG6R8qb=Eaen3xiwbjpE=keDvQ_U8QFSh-XYtbwD11w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-3WLo8djeK95qdOCSwKDmp9UteHNSJ7dNSC-LL9y5G5dfTUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+rfdCRPG6R8qb=Eaen3xiwbjpE=keDvQ_U8QFSh-XYtbwD11w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC-3WLoQQLd+F6S1GhYFJb0vTn_rLjzEQx02pTfN8W5maZ9c0g@mail.gmail.com>

I ran the

mv ~/.Xauthority ~/.Xauthority.old

and now when I re-boot, I get the following message before I go to my
terminal window:

xauth:file /root/.serverauth.1781 (it did .1918 on previous message)
does not exist
xauth:file /root/.Xauthority does not exist
xauth:file /root/.Xauthority does not exist



On 6/26/13, Shane Tzen <shane at faultymonk.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Jason Kirk
> <jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> root at sysresccd /root % sudo mv ~/.Xauthority ~/.Xauthority.old
>> zsh: correct 'sudo' to '_sudo' [nyae]? y
>> _arguments:comparguments:312: can only be called from completion function
>>
>
> You're already root, so there's no need to sudo.  The second command is
> failing because the first command is failing.  Try everything again and
> just leave out the sudo bits.
>



From shane at faultymonk.org  Wed Jun 26 10:15:10 2013
From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:15:10 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] getting closer but not sure what to do
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Jason Kirk <jasonedwardkirk at gmail.com>wrote:

> I ran the
>
> mv ~/.Xauthority ~/.Xauthority.old
>
> and now when I re-boot, I get the following message before I go to my
> terminal window:
>
> xauth:file /root/.serverauth.1781 (it did .1918 on previous message)
> does not exist
> xauth:file /root/.Xauthority does not exist
> xauth:file /root/.Xauthority does not exist
>

Yup, you were supposed to recreate it via the subsequent commands following
the `mv` bits.
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Jun 27 15:45:23 2013
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:45:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] On the value of verbatim diagnostic data
Message-ID: <20130627224523.GY20424@linuxmafia.com>

A little story about the importance of providing verbatim symptoms,
preferably copied and pasted directly from the command line.

In investigating a problem, I noticed a DNS nameserver wasn't 
answering remote DNS queries.  I ssh'ed into the nameserver, to check:

  [rmoen at ki42-18 (14:25:19) ~]$ service named status
  rndc: error: none:0: open: /etc/rndc.key: permission denied
  rndc: could not load rndc configuration
  named dead but subsys locked
  [rmoen at ki42-18 (14:25:43) ~]$ 

I wasn't paying enough attention, but Web-searched on 'named dead but
subsys locked'.  (If you spot the problem, hold that thought; I was a bit
asleep at the wheel, at that moment.)

I was thinking 'Wait, is process BIND = named dead?  Why?'  And I was
looking for clues.  Web-search hits like
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/networking/186272-named-dead-but-subsys-locked.html
give what would ordinarily be sound advice:

   That means that BIND crashed or was shutdown uncleanly, and there is
   a stale lock file /var/lock/subsys/named.  Make sure BIND is not running, 
   delete the lock file, then start the service.

So, I tried:

[rmoen at ki42-18 (15:32:41) ~]$ rm /var/lock/subsys/named
rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `/var/lock/subsys/named'?  y
rm: cannot remove `/var/lock/subsys/named': Permission denied
[rmoen at ki42-18 (15:32:45) ~]$ 

And _then_ I immediately spotted my bonehead error:  I wasn't the root
user.  D'oh!  As it turned out, BIND was not dead at all.  (Cause of server
nonresponse was actually an unrelated factor, a missing route.)

However, suppose when I say the initial 'named dead but subsys locked'
post, I had gone onto a Linux community mailing list and asked

   Hey, what does the error 'named dead but subsys locked' mean
   when I try to get service status on BIND?  

Somebody might quite reasonably have replied 'That means that BIND
crashed or was shutdown incorrectly...', which is _usually_ the right
answer but not in this case.

Whereas, if I'd posted:

  [rmoen at ki42-18 (14:25:19) ~]$ service named status
  rndc: error: none:0: open: /etc/rndc.key: permission denied
  rndc: could not load rndc configuration
  named dead but subsys locked
  [rmoen at ki42-18 (14:25:43) ~]$ 

  What does that error 'named dead but subsys locked' indicate?

Someone could have easily spotted 'rmoen' instead of 'root' and said 
"Dude, your username doesn't have privilege to do that.  su to root.'