From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct  1 10:46:39 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:46:39 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug Sunday October 7, 2012
Message-ID: <5069D6FF.3050500@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     And if anyone with an understand of configuring hibernation
on Linux is free please show up.

         Bobbie Sellers



From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  3 09:39:27 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:39:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1349282367.62683.YahooMailRC@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Oct  6 14:48:18 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:48:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop
Message-ID: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>

     Hi LUGgers,
         It seems I have a problem with my notebook over-heating
and the on-line instructions I find emphasize keeping the HP techs
away from the machine.
     If I felt better currently I might undertake it myself but it requires
getting several supplies I am lacking and it requires total dismantling
of the notebook to get to the heat sinks that need to be cleaned up,
even with very fine abrasive and fresh heat transfer compound
applied.

     So please send me suggestions and I will look for them later
today and tomorrow.  I am going to turn the computer off shortly
as it tends to heat up very quickly even with the cooler in place.

      Thanks in advance for your attention.

     Bobbie Sellers.



From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 15:11:58 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:11:58 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop
In-Reply-To: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
References: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFHnQKJZv73zOh00dSweLGqKN1wh33uuo86jNqQtdoKzKw@mail.gmail.com>

Bobbie,
Before diving into the hardware, check the BIOS version, and what's
available from HP.
Some HP BIOS revisions deal with fan control and overheating problems.
Reflashing
the BIOS should be easier than disassembly of the laptop, but sadly, HP
frequently supplies the new BIOS as a Windows executable.    Ask for the
BIOS update from any repair shop you choose if you can't do it yourself (If
you machine still boots Windows, it should be trivial).
Ken

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com
> wrote:

>     Hi LUGgers,
>         It seems I have a problem with my notebook over-heating ...
>
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Oct  6 16:38:29 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:38:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFHnQKJZv73zOh00dSweLGqKN1wh33uuo86jNqQtdoKzKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
	<CAAMNwFHnQKJZv73zOh00dSweLGqKN1wh33uuo86jNqQtdoKzKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5070C0F5.3060004@dslextreme.com>

On 10/06/2012 03:11 PM, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> Bobbie,
> Before diving into the hardware, check the BIOS version, and what's 
> available from HP.
> Some HP BIOS revisions deal with fan control and overheating 
> problems.   Reflashing
> the BIOS should be easier than disassembly of the laptop, but sadly, 
> HP frequently supplies the new BIOS as a Windows executable.    Ask 
> for the BIOS update from any repair shop you choose if you can't do it 
> yourself (If you machine still boots Windows, it should be trivial).
> Ken
>
> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Bobbie Sellers 
> <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com <mailto:bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>         Hi LUGgers,
>             It seems I have a problem with my notebook over-heating ...
>
>

     Thanks Ken but the machine does not boot Windows.  and I don't want 
to overheat
it re-installing Vista 32 Home Edition.  I did BIOS updates on it when I 
still had
Windows installed.   The machine likely as the various on line advisers 
indicate
has the heat sink plugged up with whatever.  At the last meeting it 
shutdown several
times  until it could not be re-started.
     Earlier today I had a 90+ degree Celcius reading from the temperature
monitor I had installed earlier.  This is with it sitting on the big but 
largely
ineffective dual fan cooler.
     Cleaning out the Heat Sink requires complete dismantling of the
machine and while I am sure I could take it apart I am not sure I
could put it back together again in working order.
      Oh and the guy interested in how your Chumby works has
sent me an e-mail indicating he will try to attend.

     Bobbie
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From mmdmurphy at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 16:46:30 2012
From: mmdmurphy at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:46:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop
In-Reply-To: <5070C0F5.3060004@dslextreme.com>
References: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
	<CAAMNwFHnQKJZv73zOh00dSweLGqKN1wh33uuo86jNqQtdoKzKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5070C0F5.3060004@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <B7B25759-D0E1-4A82-85D5-345478FC49A4@gmail.com>

Compressed air in every possible hole?


Sent from Dan's iPad

On Oct 6, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:

> On 10/06/2012 03:11 PM, Ken Shaffer wrote:
>> 
>> Bobbie,
>> Before diving into the hardware, check the BIOS version, and what's available from HP.
>> Some HP BIOS revisions deal with fan control and overheating problems.   Reflashing
>> the BIOS should be easier than disassembly of the laptop, but sadly, HP frequently supplies the new BIOS as a Windows executable.    Ask for the BIOS update from any repair shop you choose if you can't do it yourself (If you machine still boots Windows, it should be trivial).
>> Ken 
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>     Hi LUGgers,
>>         It seems I have a problem with my notebook over-heating ...
>> 
> 
>     Thanks Ken but the machine does not boot Windows.  and I don't want to overheat
> it re-installing Vista 32 Home Edition.  I did BIOS updates on it when I still had
> Windows installed.   The machine likely as the various on line advisers indicate
> has the heat sink plugged up with whatever.  At the last meeting it shutdown several
> times  until it could not be re-started.   
>     Earlier today I had a 90+ degree Celcius reading from the temperature 
> monitor I had installed earlier.  This is with it sitting on the big but largely 
> ineffective dual fan cooler.
>     Cleaning out the Heat Sink requires complete dismantling of the
> machine and while I am sure I could take it apart I am not sure I
> could put it back together again in working order.
>      Oh and the guy interested in how your Chumby works has
> sent me an e-mail indicating he will try to attend.
> 
>     Bobbie
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 16:53:47 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:53:47 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop
In-Reply-To: <5070C0F5.3060004@dslextreme.com>
References: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
	<CAAMNwFHnQKJZv73zOh00dSweLGqKN1wh33uuo86jNqQtdoKzKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5070C0F5.3060004@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFF8o=02vTu0efC0T-Tj_ZAc=SYWcR=s8tNMsbEMMei2rQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll bring in the Chumby, and show it running Debian squeeze.
The reassembly is definitely the hard part.  I use a netbook running
xournal display the manual, and can make redlines on things like missing
screws, extra screws, etc.  I think egg cartons, with screws for each step
in a separate hole is the only way I can keep things straight.  Proper
tools are needed, like angled tweezers to reinsert the zif cables.  Not a
task I look forward to.
Ken

...
>


>     Cleaning out the Heat Sink requires complete dismantling of the
> machine and while I am sure I could take it apart I am not sure I
> could put it back together again in working order.
>      Oh and the guy interested in how your Chumby works has
> sent me an e-mail indicating he will try to attend.
>
>     Bobbie
>
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Oct  6 17:14:30 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:14:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop
In-Reply-To: <B7B25759-D0E1-4A82-85D5-345478FC49A4@gmail.com>
References: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
	<CAAMNwFHnQKJZv73zOh00dSweLGqKN1wh33uuo86jNqQtdoKzKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5070C0F5.3060004@dslextreme.com>
	<B7B25759-D0E1-4A82-85D5-345478FC49A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5070C966.9000508@dslextreme.com>

On 10/06/2012 04:46 PM, Gmail wrote:
> Compressed air in every possible hole?

     Oh sure and it blows the dirt and dust where?
     Right back into the heat sink.
     Thanks for your input.
     Bobbie
>
>
> Sent from Dan's iPad
>
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers 
> <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com <mailto:bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/06/2012 03:11 PM, Ken Shaffer wrote:
>>> Bobbie,
>>> Before diving into the hardware, check the BIOS version, and what's 
>>> available from HP.
>>> Some HP BIOS revisions deal with fan control and overheating 
>>> problems.   Reflashing
>>> the BIOS should be easier than disassembly of the laptop, but sadly, 
>>> HP frequently supplies the new BIOS as a Windows executable.    Ask 
>>> for the BIOS update from any repair shop you choose if you can't do 
>>> it yourself (If you machine still boots Windows, it should be trivial).
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Bobbie Sellers 
>>> <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com <mailto:bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hi LUGgers,
>>>             It seems I have a problem with my notebook over-heating ...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>     Thanks Ken but the machine does not boot Windows.  and I don't 
>> want to overheat
>> it re-installing Vista 32 Home Edition.  I did BIOS updates on it 
>> when I still had
>> Windows installed.   The machine likely as the various on line 
>> advisers indicate
>> has the heat sink plugged up with whatever.  At the last meeting it 
>> shutdown several
>> times  until it could not be re-started.
>>     Earlier today I had a 90+ degree Celcius reading from the 
>> temperature
>> monitor I had installed earlier.  This is with it sitting on the big 
>> but largely
>> ineffective dual fan cooler.
>>     Cleaning out the Heat Sink requires complete dismantling of the
>> machine and while I am sure I could take it apart I am not sure I
>> could put it back together again in working order.
>>      Oh and the guy interested in how your Chumby works has
>> sent me an e-mail indicating he will try to attend.
>>
>>     Bobbie
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com <mailto:sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/


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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Oct  6 17:14:49 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:14:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFF8o=02vTu0efC0T-Tj_ZAc=SYWcR=s8tNMsbEMMei2rQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
	<CAAMNwFHnQKJZv73zOh00dSweLGqKN1wh33uuo86jNqQtdoKzKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5070C0F5.3060004@dslextreme.com>
	<CAAMNwFF8o=02vTu0efC0T-Tj_ZAc=SYWcR=s8tNMsbEMMei2rQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5070C979.7000408@dslextreme.com>

On 10/06/2012 04:53 PM, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> I'll bring in the Chumby, and show it running Debian squeeze.
> The reassembly is definitely the hard part.  I use a netbook running 
> xournal display the manual, and can make redlines on things like 
> missing screws, extra screws, etc.  I think egg cartons, with screws 
> for each step in a separate hole is the only way I can keep things 
> straight.  Proper tools are needed, like angled tweezers to reinsert 
> the zif cables.  Not a task I look forward to.
> Ken

     Nor I but I have printed out the disassembly instructions and the
special part on cleaning and prepping the heat sink.  About 10 pages
of useful information and ads for a shop in Augusta.

     Oh and in case you wondered this notebook is a Compaq Presario
CQ60-215DX with an AMD Athlon X2 and it is about 3 years old now.
It can get hot enough to hurt the hard drive and the motherboard.  Then
I would have real problems.

     Now it is a bit cooler so maybe I can run it if I leave it alone 
for a while.

     Bobbie

>
>     ...
>
>        Cleaning out the Heat Sink requires complete dismantling of the
>     machine and while I am sure I could take it apart I am not sure I
>     could put it back together again in working order.
>          Oh and the guy interested in how your Chumby works has
>     sent me an e-mail indicating he will try to attend.
>
>         Bobbie
>
>
>


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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Oct  6 17:51:59 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:51:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop
In-Reply-To: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
References: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <5070D22F.9090508@dslextreme.com>

On 10/06/2012 02:48 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>     Hi LUGgers,
>         It seems I have a problem with my notebook over-heating
> and the on-line instructions I find emphasize keeping the HP techs
> away from the machine.

     I thought you might be interested in said on line instructions.  
Below is the one
about cleaning, etc., the heat sink.  I printed this out.

<http://augustapcrepair.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/compaq-presario-cq60-215dx-overheat-repair/>

>     If I felt better currently I might undertake it myself but it 
> requires
> getting several supplies I am lacking and it requires total dismantling
> of the notebook to get to the heat sinks that need to be cleaned up,
> even with very fine abrasive and fresh heat transfer compound

     These were the disassembly instructions.  reformatted a bit and 
printed out.
<http://www.fixya.com/support/t3531078-compaq_presario_cq60_215dx_notebook_pc>

     All the people suggest downloading the manual which I have done in 
the pas t but
I doubt i will be accessing any pdf files while the work is in pro
> applied.
>
>     So please send me suggestions and I will look for them later
> today and tomorrow.  I am going to turn the computer off shortly
> as it tends to heat up very quickly even with the cooler in place.
>
     So far no one has named a repair person.  Are there none or do
LUGgers do everything themselves?

     Thanks for the interest shown so far and for your attention.

     bliss



From jim at well.com  Sat Oct  6 18:36:57 2012
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:36:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop
In-Reply-To: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
References: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1349573817.1903.145.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    I like ActNet on Judah at 27th Avenue. They've 
been in business for something like twenty years 
and really know hardware well. 



On Sat, 2012-10-06 at 14:48 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Hi LUGgers,
>          It seems I have a problem with my notebook over-heating
> and the on-line instructions I find emphasize keeping the HP techs
> away from the machine.
>      If I felt better currently I might undertake it myself but it requires
> getting several supplies I am lacking and it requires total dismantling
> of the notebook to get to the heat sinks that need to be cleaned up,
> even with very fine abrasive and fresh heat transfer compound
> applied.
> 
>      So please send me suggestions and I will look for them later
> today and tomorrow.  I am going to turn the computer off shortly
> as it tends to heat up very quickly even with the cooler in place.
> 
>       Thanks in advance for your attention.
> 
>      Bobbie Sellers.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/





From algoldor at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  8 05:22:09 2012
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 05:22:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] vim question
Message-ID: <1349698929.92976.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,
I have a vim related question. I'm reading an e-book in vim (lovely green text on the black background) but I have a problem to remember where did I finished last when I want to continue reading. I know that I can make a kind of "mark word" and search for it but I wonder if I could somehow make vim start on the line where I finished (where the cursor was last). Do you think it is possible and if so how?

I know it is kind very lazy question but it would be so comfortable ...


Thanks,

?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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From algoldor at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  8 08:01:32 2012
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 08:01:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] [Noisebridge-discuss] vim question
In-Reply-To: <50922.76.10.149.46.1349702268.squirrel@mail.sarahemm.net>
References: <1349698929.92976.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<50922.76.10.149.46.1349702268.squirrel@mail.sarahemm.net>
Message-ID: <1349708492.30682.YahooMailNeo@web112419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Vow, works great, thanks a lot! Lazy and happy!

Sincerely,

?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi



________________________________
 From: Sarah Nordstrom <sarahemm at sarahemm.net>
To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net> 
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] vim question
 
Hit apostrophe then double-quote ('") when you enter VIM and it will jump
you there.? You can add it to your vimrc to do it automatically too:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/774560/in-vim-how-do-i-get-a-file-to-open-at-the-same-line-number-i-closed-it-at-last
-sen

On Mon, October 8, 2012 08:22, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
> Hi to all,
> I have a vim related question. I'm reading an e-book in vim (lovely green
> text on the black background) but I have a problem to remember where did
> I finished last when I want to continue reading. I know that I can make a
> kind of "mark word" and search for it but I wonder if I could somehow
> make vim start on the line where I finished (where the cursor was last).
> Do you think it is possible and if so how?
>
>
> I know it is kind very lazy question but it would be so comfortable ...
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> ?
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
>
>
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
>
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>
>
>
> !DSPAM:5072c579233081850421093!
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>
>
>
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct  8 19:17:30 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:17:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting on Monday 15 October 2012
Message-ID: <5073893A.5000707@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     The last meeting was quite interesting and later this
week I hope I will have the data to finish writing about
it.
     I will be dragging along the latest Linux Pro magazine
and at least one copy of Knoppix 7.03.  So I hope I see
you there.

     Bobbie Sellers




From algoldor at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  8 20:21:56 2012
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 20:21:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] [Noisebridge-discuss] vim question
In-Reply-To: <20121009002347.GO756@frotz.zork.net>
References: <1349698929.92976.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20121009002347.GO756@frotz.zork.net>
Message-ID: <1349752916.40261.YahooMailNeo@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks a lot Seth, I plan to play with that in the evening. I hope to find nice chunk of time in the future and improve my skills with vim it is an amazing program! It is nice to see that many members are more than familiar with this lovely piece of software.

Sincerely,
?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi



________________________________
 From: Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org>
To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>; "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] vim question
 
Frantisek Apfelbeck writes:

> Hi to all,
> I have a vim related question. I'm reading an e-book in vim (lovely green text on the black background) but I have a problem to remember where did I finished last when I want to continue reading. I know that I can make a kind of "mark word" and search for it but I wonder if I could somehow make vim start on the line where I finished (where the cursor was last). Do you think it is possible and if so how?
> 
> I know it is kind very lazy question but it would be so comfortable ...

One thing to know about are the m and ' commands.? In the most basic
form, you use m followed by a letter to set a mark (named with that
letter) at the current location, and then ' followed by that letter to
navigate back to that location (including, if you choose, as a cursor
movement combined with another action).

For example, ma to set mark "a" and then 'a to navigate to mark "a".

You can also use '' to go back to where you were before the most recent
' command, so you can use repeated '' commands to jump back and forth
between two spots in a document.

-- 
Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org>? ? ? |? No haiku patents
? ?  http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/? ? ? ? |? means I've no incentive to
? FD9A6AA28193A9F03D4BF4ADC11B36DC9C7DD150? |? ? ? ? -- Don Marti
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  9 13:58:19 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 13:58:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1349816299.82125.YahooMailRC@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From jim at systemateka.com  Fri Oct 12 11:21:17 2012
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:21:17 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Linux System Administrator, Berkeley, $55K +
Message-ID: <1350066077.2295.60.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


We are a data-driven technology startup applying statistical machine 
learning to large-scale financial prediction problems. You will work 
with small teams in a research atmosphere alongside other top-notch 
talent, including professors at premier universities, PhD's, and 
successful tech entrepreneurs. We approach problems collaboratively; 
you will have frequent interaction with the researchers, officers, 
and founders. 

Our research cluster and production environments are expanding, and 
we need a Linux guru to maintain existing systems and lead the 
infrastructure growth. Self-motivated problems solvers who can learn 
about, evaluate, and deploy new technologies will excel in this role. 
Ideal candidates will have a range of experience: both purchasing 
and assembling machines; designing and configuring networks; 
designing and performance-tuning data infrastructure; and more.

Our company, Voleon, is located in downtown Berkeley, with easy 
access to all forms of transit. 

Responsibilities:
? Support internal development and QA environment
? Install and maintain Linux and other software packages
? Specify and maintain computers, networking hardware, machine room 
  infrastructure, phone system, etc.
? Design, deploy, and administer state-of-the-art research clusters, 
  including GPGPU nodes
? Design and enhance monitoring systems for production equipment 
  and research clusters
? Configure, tune, and maintain PostgreSQL and MySQL databases, 
  as data warehouses and in production environment
? Propose new technologies to address specific business needs

Qualifications:
? Experience managing remotely hosted production systems
? UNIX guru, especially Linux; other UNIXen including Mac OS X a plus
? Scripting language skills (Python, bash, shutils, etc)
? Experience with research computing / hybrid CPU-GPU clusters a plus
? Experience with large-scale, real-time, concurrent systems a plus
? Experience with distributed data systems (Hadoop, Cassandra, Riak, 
  GridSQL, etc.) a plus
? Background in financial systems a plus
? Live in or near Berkeley; be willing to come in occasionally at 
  odd hours 

Benefits include 401k, health/vision/dental insurance with employer 
contribution, plus vacation.  Compensation starts at 55k+bonus. 
Interested applicants are encouraged to send a cover letter and 
resume to working at voleon.com





From audvare at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 14:46:33 2012
From: audvare at gmail.com (Andrew Udvare)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:46:33 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Got a brand new white board to give away as I cannot
	feasibly use it
Message-ID: <CAJfjkGq3569kh1UOLyBfazugGsr0G0dSxxDL3UfS2tJipUv2PQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I bought this white board

http://www.amazon.com/Quartet-Standard-Classroom-Whiteboard-EMA406/dp/B0002LCU1Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350077850&sr=8-1&keywords=quartet+4x6

It is way too big for my needs and it is basically just taking up space in
my place (a not very large apartment).

I am more than happy to give it out for free to a local school that needs
it or similar. It's still in the box, never opened.

Please let me know. Call me at 510-612-5965

Just so you know, it's quite large: ~80 x 55 x 3 in and 40 pounds. You will
definitely need a decently sized vehicle for this to fit (or I suppose you
could put it on top of a vehicle).

Andrew
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From pi at berkeley.edu  Fri Oct 12 15:14:15 2012
From: pi at berkeley.edu (Paul Ivanov)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:14:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Linux System Administrator, Berkeley,
 $55K +
In-Reply-To: <1350066077.2295.60.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1350066077.2295.60.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20121012221415.GG26872@HbI-OTOH.berkeley.edu>

jim, on 2012-10-12 11:21,  wrote:
> Responsibilities:
> ? Support internal development and QA environment
> ? Install and maintain Linux and other software packages
> ? Specify and maintain computers, networking hardware, machine room 
>   infrastructure, phone system, etc.
> ? Design, deploy, and administer state-of-the-art research clusters, 
>   including GPGPU nodes
> ? Design and enhance monitoring systems for production equipment 
>   and research clusters
> ? Configure, tune, and maintain PostgreSQL and MySQL databases, 
>   as data warehouses and in production environment
> ? Propose new technologies to address specific business needs
> 
> Qualifications:
> ? Experience managing remotely hosted production systems
> ? UNIX guru, especially Linux; other UNIXen including Mac OS X a plus
> ? Scripting language skills (Python, bash, shutils, etc)
> ? Experience with research computing / hybrid CPU-GPU clusters a plus
> ? Experience with large-scale, real-time, concurrent systems a plus
> ? Experience with distributed data systems (Hadoop, Cassandra, Riak, 
>   GridSQL, etc.) a plus
> ? Background in financial systems a plus
> ? Live in or near Berkeley; be willing to come in occasionally at 
>   odd hours 
> 
> Benefits include 401k, health/vision/dental insurance with employer 
> contribution, plus vacation.  Compensation starts at 55k+bonus. 
> Interested applicants are encouraged to send a cover letter and 
> resume to working at voleon.com

potential curmudgeon warning: Because this is a publicly archived
list, and I believe that people ought to be paid what they're
worth, and this seemed like an outrageously low salary given the
set of qualifications and responsibilities, I wanted to respond.

According to salary.com, the median sys admin salary in the
Berkeley area [1] is $82K, with only 10% of sys admins making less
than $62K. The proposed salary is barely in the lowest 10th
percentile *nationally* [2], and that's before making any
deference to the much higher-than-average cost of living in the
Bay Area.

The posting on voleon.com for this same position states:
"Benefits and compensation are highly competitive" and I just
wanted to point out, in case the folks over at valeon.com were
not aware, that this is actually not the case.


1. http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/systems-administrator-Salary-Details-94720.aspx
2. http://www1.salary.com/systems-administrator-Salary.html

better,
-- 
Paul Ivanov
http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7



From jim at well.com  Fri Oct 12 16:21:16 2012
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:21:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Linux System Administrator, Berkeley,
 $55K +
In-Reply-To: <20121012221415.GG26872@HbI-OTOH.berkeley.edu>
References: <1350066077.2295.60.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<20121012221415.GG26872@HbI-OTOH.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <1350084076.2295.83.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


    curmudgeons are welcome and with thanks. 

    some years ago those who were active decided 
on the current job posting policy: gotta be in 
ASCII text format, no more than five paragraphs, 
must state position title, city location, and at 
least the lowest salary range (this because of 
some postings that specified a range from ... 
to ...). 
    One poster specified the SF city's minimum 
wage. I don't know who might have applied. 
    I figure let 'em post. We have the opportunity 
to ignore, to apply and demand more, to take a 
low price and try to negotiate something else.... 




On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 15:14 -0700, Paul Ivanov wrote:
> jim, on 2012-10-12 11:21,  wrote:
> > Responsibilities:
> > ? Support internal development and QA environment
> > ? Install and maintain Linux and other software packages
> > ? Specify and maintain computers, networking hardware, machine room 
> >   infrastructure, phone system, etc.
> > ? Design, deploy, and administer state-of-the-art research clusters, 
> >   including GPGPU nodes
> > ? Design and enhance monitoring systems for production equipment 
> >   and research clusters
> > ? Configure, tune, and maintain PostgreSQL and MySQL databases, 
> >   as data warehouses and in production environment
> > ? Propose new technologies to address specific business needs
> > 
> > Qualifications:
> > ? Experience managing remotely hosted production systems
> > ? UNIX guru, especially Linux; other UNIXen including Mac OS X a plus
> > ? Scripting language skills (Python, bash, shutils, etc)
> > ? Experience with research computing / hybrid CPU-GPU clusters a plus
> > ? Experience with large-scale, real-time, concurrent systems a plus
> > ? Experience with distributed data systems (Hadoop, Cassandra, Riak, 
> >   GridSQL, etc.) a plus
> > ? Background in financial systems a plus
> > ? Live in or near Berkeley; be willing to come in occasionally at 
> >   odd hours 
> > 
> > Benefits include 401k, health/vision/dental insurance with employer 
> > contribution, plus vacation.  Compensation starts at 55k+bonus. 
> > Interested applicants are encouraged to send a cover letter and 
> > resume to working at voleon.com
> 
> potential curmudgeon warning: Because this is a publicly archived
> list, and I believe that people ought to be paid what they're
> worth, and this seemed like an outrageously low salary given the
> set of qualifications and responsibilities, I wanted to respond.
> 
> According to salary.com, the median sys admin salary in the
> Berkeley area [1] is $82K, with only 10% of sys admins making less
> than $62K. The proposed salary is barely in the lowest 10th
> percentile *nationally* [2], and that's before making any
> deference to the much higher-than-average cost of living in the
> Bay Area.
> 
> The posting on voleon.com for this same position states:
> "Benefits and compensation are highly competitive" and I just
> wanted to point out, in case the folks over at valeon.com were
> not aware, that this is actually not the case.
> 
> 
> 1. http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/systems-administrator-Salary-Details-94720.aspx
> 2. http://www1.salary.com/systems-administrator-Salary.html
> 
> better,
> -- 
> Paul Ivanov
> http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/





From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Oct 13 07:17:06 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 07:17:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Foundation's plan to deal with Secure Boot
Message-ID: <507977E2.50900@dslextreme.com>

     Hi LUGgers,
         Found the broken URL on a Usenet newsgroup.
     Usual static on the newsgroup about cooperation with MS so I hope
that the more knowledgeable Linux users will read this and comment
intelligently to the advantage of the users.


<http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2012/10/linux-foundation-uefi-secure-boot-system-open-source>

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers



From sundquistjames at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 15:57:45 2012
From: sundquistjames at gmail.com (James Sundquist)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:57:45 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] efi and secure boot
Message-ID: <CAP6MHLryHzkgYQG3YKP491gdJPBN8knVwACj7Gz+6vscnv++Bw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious if anyone on the list is actually using efi or secure boot.
Every linux box I've seen is still running mbr. Bobbie, do you actually use
it?

On Oct 13, 2012 12:01 PM, <sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

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Today's Topics:

   1. Got a brand new white board to give away as I cannot      feasibly
      use it (Andrew Udvare)
   2. Re: [JOB POSTING] Linux System Administrator, Berkeley, $55K
      + (Paul Ivanov)
   3. Re: [JOB POSTING] Linux System Administrator, Berkeley, $55K
      + (jim)
   4. Linux Foundation's plan to deal with Secure Boot (Bobbie Sellers)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:46:33 -0700
From: Andrew Udvare <audvare at gmail.com>
To: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: [sf-lug] Got a brand new white board to give away as I cannot
        feasibly use it
Message-ID:
        <CAJfjkGq3569kh1UOLyBfazugGsr0G0dSxxDL3UfS2tJipUv2PQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi all,
I bought this white board

http://www.amazon.com/Quartet-Standard-Classroom-Whiteboard-EMA406/dp/B0002LCU1Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350077850&sr=8-1&keywords=quartet+4x6

It is way too big for my needs and it is basically just taking up space in
my place (a not very large apartment).

I am more than happy to give it out for free to a local school that needs
it or similar. It's still in the box, never opened.

Please let me know. Call me at 510-612-5965

Just so you know, it's quite large: ~80 x 55 x 3 in and 40 pounds. You will
definitely need a decently sized vehicle for this to fit (or I suppose you
could put it on top of a vehicle).

Andrew
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:14:15 -0700
From: Paul Ivanov <pi at berkeley.edu>
To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
Cc: working at voleon.com
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Linux System Administrator,
        Berkeley, $55K +
Message-ID: <20121012221415.GG26872 at HbI-OTOH.berkeley.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

jim, on 2012-10-12 11:21,  wrote:
> Responsibilities:
> ? Support internal development and QA environment
> ? Install and maintain Linux and other software packages
> ? Specify and maintain computers, networking hardware, machine room
>   infrastructure, phone system, etc.
> ? Design, deploy, and administer state-of-the-art research clusters,
>   including GPGPU nodes
> ? Design and enhance monitoring systems for production equipment
>   and research clusters
> ? Configure, tune, and maintain PostgreSQL and MySQL databases,
>   as data warehouses and in production environment
> ? Propose new technologies to address specific business needs
>
> Qualifications:
> ? Experience managing remotely hosted production systems
> ? UNIX guru, especially Linux; other UNIXen including Mac OS X a plus
> ? Scripting language skills (Python, bash, shutils, etc)
> ? Experience with research computing / hybrid CPU-GPU clusters a plus
> ? Experience with large-scale, real-time, concurrent systems a plus
> ? Experience with distributed data systems (Hadoop, Cassandra, Riak,
>   GridSQL, etc.) a plus
> ? Background in financial systems a plus
> ? Live in or near Berkeley; be willing to come in occasionally at
>   odd hours
>
> Benefits include 401k, health/vision/dental insurance with employer
> contribution, plus vacation.  Compensation starts at 55k+bonus.
> Interested applicants are encouraged to send a cover letter and
> resume to working at voleon.com

potential curmudgeon warning: Because this is a publicly archived
list, and I believe that people ought to be paid what they're
worth, and this seemed like an outrageously low salary given the
set of qualifications and responsibilities, I wanted to respond.

According to salary.com, the median sys admin salary in the
Berkeley area [1] is $82K, with only 10% of sys admins making less
than $62K. The proposed salary is barely in the lowest 10th
percentile *nationally* [2], and that's before making any
deference to the much higher-than-average cost of living in the
Bay Area.

The posting on voleon.com for this same position states:
"Benefits and compensation are highly competitive" and I just
wanted to point out, in case the folks over at valeon.com were
not aware, that this is actually not the case.


1.
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/systems-administrator-Salary-Details-94720.aspx
2. http://www1.salary.com/systems-administrator-Salary.html

better,
--
Paul Ivanov
http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:21:16 -0700
From: jim <jim at well.com>
To: Paul Ivanov <pi at berkeley.edu>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com, working at voleon.com
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Linux System Administrator,
        Berkeley, $55K +
Message-ID: <1350084076.2295.83.camel at jim-LAPTOP>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"


    curmudgeons are welcome and with thanks.

    some years ago those who were active decided
on the current job posting policy: gotta be in
ASCII text format, no more than five paragraphs,
must state position title, city location, and at
least the lowest salary range (this because of
some postings that specified a range from ...
to ...).
    One poster specified the SF city's minimum
wage. I don't know who might have applied.
    I figure let 'em post. We have the opportunity
to ignore, to apply and demand more, to take a
low price and try to negotiate something else....




On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 15:14 -0700, Paul Ivanov wrote:
> jim, on 2012-10-12 11:21,  wrote:
> > Responsibilities:
> > ? Support internal development and QA environment
> > ? Install and maintain Linux and other software packages
> > ? Specify and maintain computers, networking hardware, machine room
> >   infrastructure, phone system, etc.
> > ? Design, deploy, and administer state-of-the-art research clusters,
> >   including GPGPU nodes
> > ? Design and enhance monitoring systems for production equipment
> >   and research clusters
> > ? Configure, tune, and maintain PostgreSQL and MySQL databases,
> >   as data warehouses and in production environment
> > ? Propose new technologies to address specific business needs
> >
> > Qualifications:
> > ? Experience managing remotely hosted production systems
> > ? UNIX guru, especially Linux; other UNIXen including Mac OS X a plus
> > ? Scripting language skills (Python, bash, shutils, etc)
> > ? Experience with research computing / hybrid CPU-GPU clusters a plus
> > ? Experience with large-scale, real-time, concurrent systems a plus
> > ? Experience with distributed data systems (Hadoop, Cassandra, Riak,
> >   GridSQL, etc.) a plus
> > ? Background in financial systems a plus
> > ? Live in or near Berkeley; be willing to come in occasionally at
> >   odd hours
> >
> > Benefits include 401k, health/vision/dental insurance with employer
> > contribution, plus vacation.  Compensation starts at 55k+bonus.
> > Interested applicants are encouraged to send a cover letter and
> > resume to working at voleon.com
>
> potential curmudgeon warning: Because this is a publicly archived
> list, and I believe that people ought to be paid what they're
> worth, and this seemed like an outrageously low salary given the
> set of qualifications and responsibilities, I wanted to respond.
>
> According to salary.com, the median sys admin salary in the
> Berkeley area [1] is $82K, with only 10% of sys admins making less
> than $62K. The proposed salary is barely in the lowest 10th
> percentile *nationally* [2], and that's before making any
> deference to the much higher-than-average cost of living in the
> Bay Area.
>
> The posting on voleon.com for this same position states:
> "Benefits and compensation are highly competitive" and I just
> wanted to point out, in case the folks over at valeon.com were
> not aware, that this is actually not the case.
>
>
> 1.
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/systems-administrator-Salary-Details-94720.aspx
> 2. http://www1.salary.com/systems-administrator-Salary.html
>
> better,
> --
> Paul Ivanov
> http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/





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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 07:17:06 -0700
From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
To: SF-LUG <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Foundation's plan to deal with Secure Boot
Message-ID: <507977E2.50900 at dslextreme.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

     Hi LUGgers,
         Found the broken URL on a Usenet newsgroup.
     Usual static on the newsgroup about cooperation with MS so I hope
that the more knowledgeable Linux users will read this and comment
intelligently to the advantage of the users.


<
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2012/10/linux-foundation-uefi-secure-boot-system-open-source
>

     Thanks for your attention

     Bobbie Sellers



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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Oct 15 14:12:38 2012
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:12:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2012-10-16 BALUG meeting
Message-ID: <20121015141238.15567ypqg5vh7gis@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2012-10-16 BALUG meeting

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
TOMORROW Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2012-10-16

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our 2012-10-16 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have a
specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that
doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings.
Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to
announce or fully publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice
in the past five or so years).  Got questions, answers, and/or
opinions?  We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s)
present to cover LINUX and related topic areas.  Want to hear some
interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics?  Show up at the
meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish.  Want to help
ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings?
Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker
coordinators.  Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to
be had.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, October 16th, 2012 2012-10-16

                        Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
              cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
              family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
              also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping
              to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

CDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following):

We've got some hardware goodies to give away, in addition to available
CDs noted below.

CDs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have
"door prizes".

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  (quite a variety of opportunities)
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 16 13:11:28 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1350418288.45928.YahooMailRC@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 16:02:28 2012
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:02:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Is there a way to organize printers in my printer menu?
In-Reply-To: <507DE332.3060700@sfsu.edu>
References: <507DE332.3060700@sfsu.edu>
Message-ID: <507DE784.4020801@michaelshiloh.com>

Like many of you I suspect, I wear many hats, and since I print at many
of my various jobs I have added those local printers to my Ubuntu
printing menu.

This means that I have a couple dozen printers to scroll through,
sometimes of the same make and model, or similar.

I have of course organized them with different "locations", but the
order is not by this field.

Is it possible to manage printers by location (or any other quality),
short of putting the location in the name so it sorts based on that?

M







From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 23 20:19:52 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1351048792.47735.YahooMailRC@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Oct 24 19:11:08 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:11:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] trustworthy repair shop  - Found!
In-Reply-To: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
References: <5070A722.7070400@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <50889FBC.3010709@dslextreme.com>

On 10/06/2012 02:48 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>     Hi LUGgers,
>         It seems I have a problem with my notebook over-heating
> and the on-line instructions I find emphasize keeping the HP techs
> away from the machine.
>
     snip

     Well I got everything together to do the work myself but finally
decided I did not feel up to taking the machine apart and reassembling
it myself.   I had e-mailed via the web site Techsavies but the answer
was not clear or definitive.   I was walking back from my dentist yesterday
taking Polk Street for no other reason. Found I was passing Techsavies
  so I stopped in their to tell them the auto responder was not useful
and found out I most likely could afford to have them do the work.
I carried the machine back later in the afternoon and picked it up before
Noon today.  The guy in charge of the web site and communication
via it was away for a week, by the way.

     Techsavies does all sorts of work including Computer Repair,
Data Recovery(bet that takes longer than overnight), Virus Cleanup
and Optimazation (Optimization) and they don't have any problem
with your machine using Linux.

     The shop is at 1318 Polk Street* where the old Freed, Teller and Freed
coffee roastery was located.   A neighbor-hood I used to frequent.

     The phone # 415-673-1776
*  San Francisco, 94109

<www.techsavies.com/computerrepair>

     (The stuff I was reading on the other repair sites convinced me that I
could not afford their work.)

     Bobbie Sellers




From jim at systemateka.com  Mon Oct 29 09:40:40 2012
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:40:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] email server problem
Message-ID: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


Hi, 
    I recently discovered a problem with the email 
server system for Systemateka (mail.systemateka.com). 
I've got details gleaned from various log files, but 
so far I have not been able to find anything that 
looks like a clue as to why the Postfix-Dovecot 
system seems to refuse connections from other 
internet email servers trying to pass email to 
jim at systemateka.com 





From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 29 10:00:11 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:00:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] email server problem
In-Reply-To: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <508EB61B.5090705@dslextreme.com>

On 10/29/2012 09:40 AM, jim wrote:
> Hi,
>      I recently discovered a problem with the email
> server system for Systemateka (mail.systemateka.com).
> I've got details gleaned from various log files, but
> so far I have not been able to find anything that
> looks like a clue as to why the Postfix-Dovecot
> system seems to refuse connections from other
> internet email servers trying to pass email to
> jim at systemateka.com
>
>

     I have a bunch of bounces.  Advise if I should forward any
to your well account.   Actually they tried over 3 days to
connect to your account on systemateka.

     Bobbie



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 29 10:02:00 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:02:00 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday November 4, 2012
Message-ID: <508EB688.8040009@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 7 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     Bobbie Sellers




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Oct 29 10:27:28 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:27:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] email server problem
In-Reply-To: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20121029172728.GT8793@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at systemateka.com):

>     I recently discovered a problem with the email 
> server system for Systemateka (mail.systemateka.com). 
> I've got details gleaned from various log files, but 
> so far I have not been able to find anything that 
> looks like a clue as to why the Postfix-Dovecot 
> system seems to refuse connections from other 
> internet email servers trying to pass email to 
> jim at systemateka.com 

Jim said offlist that, after the above query, friends helped him isolate
the problem to a _firewall_ (an IP/port filter) built into his Comcast
cable modem, that was unexpectedly blocking incoming SMTP connections.

That sort of thing's a real puzzler when it happens, so I'm sympathetic.
In retrospect, it's understandable that Comcast wants its overwhelmingly
residential customers' computers to be unable by default to accept
outbound SMTP sessions from arbitrary outside locations:  It's one of
their antimalware things, and also Comcast typically tries to discourage
customers generally from running Internet services.

Anyway, it's useful to know how to manually simulate an SMTP delivery
attempt.  On Saturday, when Jim said that he'd been unable to receive
SMTP mail at mail.systemateka.com, I thought 'Well, what exactly happens 
when one tries?'  And there's no better way than observing an attempt in
real time.

  $ telnet mail.systemateka.com smtp
  Trying 173.13.130.169...
  telnet: connect to address 173.13.130.169: Operation timed out
  telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
  $

The telnet utility is capable of opening an outbound connection on any
service port, not just the telnet one.  By saying 'smtp' after the
target hostname, I instructed the telnet client to connect to TCP port
25, the SMTP port.  (These numbers and names are associated in lookup
file /etc/services.)

The answer to 'what exactly happens' is... no connection whatsoever.  
I didn't reach the Postfix SMTP daemon that Jim said was running on the
target host.  So, I advised Jim that he should check to see if either 
Postfix was failing to run as a daemon or firewalling was preventing
connections.




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Oct 29 12:01:12 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:01:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] email server problem
In-Reply-To: <20121029172728.GT8793@linuxmafia.com>
References: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<20121029172728.GT8793@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <508ED278.8080508@dslextreme.com>

On 10/29/2012 10:27 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at systemateka.com):
>
>>      I recently discovered a problem with the email
>> server system for Systemateka (mail.systemateka.com).
>> I've got details gleaned from various log files, but
>> so far I have not been able to find anything that
>> looks like a clue as to why the Postfix-Dovecot
>> system seems to refuse connections from other
>> internet email servers trying to pass email to
>> jim at systemateka.com
> Jim said offlist that, after the above query, friends helped him isolate
> the problem to a _firewall_ (an IP/port filter) built into his Comcast
> cable modem, that was unexpectedly blocking incoming SMTP connections.
>
> That sort of thing's a real puzzler when it happens, so I'm sympathetic.
> In retrospect, it's understandable that Comcast wants its overwhelmingly
> residential customers' computers to be unable by default to accept
> outbound SMTP sessions from arbitrary outside locations:  It's one of
> their antimalware things, and also Comcast typically tries to discourage
> customers generally from running Internet services.
>
> Anyway, it's useful to know how to manually simulate an SMTP delivery
> attempt.  On Saturday, when Jim said that he'd been unable to receive
> SMTP mail at mail.systemateka.com, I thought 'Well, what exactly happens
> when one tries?'  And there's no better way than observing an attempt in
> real time.
>
>    $ telnet mail.systemateka.com smtp
>    Trying 173.13.130.169...
>    telnet: connect to address 173.13.130.169: Operation timed out
>    telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
>    $
>
> The telnet utility is capable of opening an outbound connection on any
> service port, not just the telnet one.  By saying 'smtp' after the
> target hostname, I instructed the telnet client to connect to TCP port
> 25, the SMTP port.  (These numbers and names are associated in lookup
> file /etc/services.)
>
> The answer to 'what exactly happens' is... no connection whatsoever.
> I didn't reach the Postfix SMTP daemon that Jim said was running on the
> target host.  So, I advised Jim that he should check to see if either
> Postfix was failing to run as a daemon or firewalling was preventing
> connections.
>

     Is this not an interference with the Freedom of Speech, of Commerce
and of Association by Comcast?

     Thanks for the explication of the problem.

     Bobbie Sellers






From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Oct 29 12:36:33 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:36:33 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] email server problem
In-Reply-To: <508ED278.8080508@dslextreme.com>
References: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<20121029172728.GT8793@linuxmafia.com>
	<508ED278.8080508@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20121029193633.GY8793@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> Is this not an interference with the Freedom of Speech, of Commerce
> and of Association by Comcast?

Facetious, right?

(1st Amendment is applicable to Federal departments and agencies, and,
via the 14th Amendment and related Incorporation Doctrine, to state
government.  Comcast is not any form of government entity.)

>     Thanks for the explication of the problem.

Yr. welcome -- although Jim's friends who tracked the blockage to his
cable modem deserve the real credit.


Here's an example of _successfully_ sending a test message using a manual
(simulated) SMTP session.  For this test, I simulated an SMTP server on
www.svlug.org that was attempting SMTP delivery to linuxmafia.com.

'gruyere' is www.svlug.org:

rick at gruyere:~$ telnet linuxmafia.com smtp
Trying 198.144.195.186...
Connected to linuxmafia.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 linuxmafia.com ESMTP Exim 4.72 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:31:10 -0700
HELO linuxmafia.com
250 linuxmafia.com Hello li3-98.members.linode.com [64.62.190.98]
MAIL FROM: <test at www.svlug.org>
250 OK
RCPT TO: <postmaster at linuxmafia.com>
250 Accepted
DATA
354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself
From: test at www.svlug.org
To: postmaster at linuxmafia.com
Subject: Yo, postmaster!

Test.
.
250 OK id=1TSv3v-00087n-2k
quit
221 linuxmafia.com closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.
rick at gruyere:~$


The lines starting with SMTP keywords 'HELO', 'MAIL FROM', 'RCPT TO', 
and 'DATA' were me typing, ditto the lines of message text between the
remote server's '354' line and my '.' line, and the 'quit' command I
gave to terminate the SMTP session.





From jim at well.com  Mon Oct 29 14:07:44 2012
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:07:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] email server problem
In-Reply-To: <508EB61B.5090705@dslextreme.com>
References: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<508EB61B.5090705@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1351544864.2246.266.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


's okay now; fixed. 




On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 10:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 10/29/2012 09:40 AM, jim wrote:
> > Hi,
> >      I recently discovered a problem with the email
> > server system for Systemateka (mail.systemateka.com).
> > I've got details gleaned from various log files, but
> > so far I have not been able to find anything that
> > looks like a clue as to why the Postfix-Dovecot
> > system seems to refuse connections from other
> > internet email servers trying to pass email to
> > jim at systemateka.com
> >
> >
> 
>      I have a bunch of bounces.  Advise if I should forward any
> to your well account.   Actually they tried over 3 days to
> connect to your account on systemateka.
> 
>      Bobbie





From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Oct 29 15:51:36 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:51:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] email server problem
In-Reply-To: <1351544864.2246.266.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<508EB61B.5090705@dslextreme.com>
	<1351544864.2246.266.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20121029225136.GA8793@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at well.com):

> 's okay now; fixed. 

Yay!

At Jim's invitation, here are some of my offlist comments about
diagnosing such problems:

  It's really useful to know how to do manual SMTP sessions at the
  console.

  $ telnet mail.systemateka.com smtp
  Trying 173.13.130.169...
  telnet: connect to address 173.13.130.169: Operation timed out
  telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
  $

  Well, that's a really fundamental problem:  Postfix isn't even answering
  at all, when someone comes knocking. 

  You need to make sure the Postfix daemon is running on the
  mail.systemateka.com host, and you need to make sure you are not
  firewalling off incoming connections to it on tcp port 25 (SMTP).

Again, compare to a _successful_ manual SMTP session, and notice the
difference between failing on 'connect... timeout' and getting an
answering 220 success response from the remote SMTP host:

  $ telnet linuxmafia.com smtp
  Trying 198.144.195.186...
  Connected to linuxmafia.com.
  Escape character is '^]'.
  220 linuxmafia.com ESMTP Exim 4.72 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:31:10 -0700
  HELO linuxmafia.com
  250 linuxmafia.com Hello li3-98.members.linode.com [64.62.190.98]
  MAIL FROM: <test at www.svlug.org>
  250 OK
  RCPT TO: <postmaster at linuxmafia.com>
  250 Accepted
  DATA
  354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself
  From: test at www.svlug.org
  To: postmaster at linuxmafia.com
  Subject: Yo, postmaster!
  
  Test.
  .
  250 OK id=1TSv3v-00087n-2k
  quit
  221 linuxmafia.com closing connection
  Connection closed by foreign host.
  $


I had also noticed that Jim's problem description talked both about
mail.systemataka.com and systemataka.com, which raised the possibility
of DNS issues and of the SMTP host possibly not recognising itself as 
the destination, so I talked about that, too:

  The first thing I'd look at -- given that I'm flying blind because 
  you didn't bother specifying what you tried in order to test -- is 
  checking DNS correctness.  

  You say you're talking about receiving system 'mail.systemateka.com'. 
  Let's see where the public DNS declares that inbound SMTP to
  'mail.systemateka.com' should be delivered.  The RFCs say that inbound
  mail should get delivered to whichever one or more destination hosts are
  specified in the MX records.  If there are no MX records, then as a
  fallback, inbound mail should get delivered to where the A record
  points.

  $ dig -t mx mail.systemateka.com +short
  $ dig -t a mail.systemateka.com +short
  173.13.130.169
  $

  You have not (yet) created MX records for FQDN 'mail.systemateka.com'.
  It would be a good idea for you to do so.

  Anyway, the A record, used here as the fallback, says IP 173.13.130.169.
  I trust that that IP is bound to a public network interface on the
  'mail.systemateka.com' host.

  You say you 'cannot receive e-mail' (a phrase whose meaning is just a
  bit vague, but never mind) if it's addressed to jim at systemateka.com .  Is
  'systemateka.com' one of the lines in the mydestination line in
  Postfix's /etc/postfix/main.cf ?  If not, that would explain what you
  observed.  By default, the line is like this:
  mydestination = $myhostname,localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain

  Since you said the host is mail.systemateka.com, not systemateka.com,
  Postfix by default would not recognise the latter as an alias for
  itself.

  I cannot help noticing that 'systemateka.com' resolves to a completely
  different IP address.

  $ dig systemateka.com +short
  208.69.42.165
  $



When seeking help with a technical problem, it's wise to go because 
'cannot receive e-mail' and specify what your attempt consisted of, and
what you checked to conclude that the mail didn't arrive.  Otherwise,
your helper is left speculating about what you did, and that's an
unpromising place to start.

So, Jim might have said this:

1.  I made sure a local 'jim' account exists on mail.systemateka.com

2.  I sent local test mail from 'jim' to 'jim' on mail.systemateka.com,
and received and read that mail, delivered locally by Postfix.

3.  On separate system systemateka.com, I verified ability to ping 
mail.systemateka.com, which FYI resolves to IP 173.13.130.169 .
(Provide ping session inline.)

4.  On separate system systemateka.com, I sent test mail to destination
user 'jim at mail.systemateka.com'.  I got no delivery status notification
at my sender address.  Examining /var/log/maillog on destination system
mail.systemateka.com, I found no log entries showing attempted delivery.


(I'm omitting the complication of Jim reportedly attempting to get
mail.systemateka.com to accept mail addressed to jim at systemateka.com,
which currently would be a mailbox on a completely different system on 
a different IP address.)


By the way, Bobbie mentioned having a 'bunch of bounces'.  People should
be aware that the _contents_ of the bounce advisories -- the Delivery
Status Notification -- are crucial for diagnosis, and people should read
the reasons cited in those advisories for permanent or temporary
delivery failure, and not just ignore tham as 'bounces' as if they were
all the same.




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 30 12:49:39 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:49:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Nov. 7th - Linux Discussion Group
Message-ID: <1351626579.39192.YahooMailRC@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The next "official" Linux Discussion meeting will be on Wednesday, November 7, 
2012 at 6:00 PM PST.


The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Oct 30 13:29:51 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:29:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] email server problem
In-Reply-To: <20121029225136.GA8793@linuxmafia.com>
References: <1351528840.2246.246.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<508EB61B.5090705@dslextreme.com>
	<1351544864.2246.266.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<20121029225136.GA8793@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <20121030202951.GA28273@linuxmafia.com>

Just as one follow-up:  Beware of DNS confusion.

Jim mentioned both 'mail.systemateka.com' and 'systemateka.com' in his 
problem description:  He said new mail host mail.systemateka.com was 
(at the time) unable to receive SMTP e-mail addressed to
jim at systemateka.com.


Looking in the public DNS, one immediately noticed that DNS names
'mail.systemateka.com' and 'systemateka.com' map to very different IPs,
making it seem highly likely they were/are distinct server boxes:

$ dig mail.systemateka.com +short
173.13.130.169
$ 

$ dig systemateka.com +short
208.69.42.165
$

I'm hoping most readers are seeing one big problem up-front:  If you're
out somewhere on the Internet addressing mail to mailbox
jim at systemateka.com, is it going to even reach 'mail.systemateka.com' at
all, given that the latter's an entirely different mail-server system
from 'systemateka.com'?

One can put hints into the public DNS saying 'Hey, whenever you wish to
deliver mail to systemateka.com, please drop them off at mail system
mail.systemateka.com.  This is called an MX (mail exchanger) record in
the public DNS.  For example:

$ dig -t mx unixmercenary.net +short
10 linuxmafia.COM.
$

The 'dig' command asked 'What MX entries exist in the public DNS for
unixmercenary.net (and please give me the short version of your answer).
The authoritative servers answered 'Mail intended for that DNS entity
should be dropped off at host linuxmafia.com .  That particular mail
exchanger is assigned relative priority level 10 where a lower number is 
higher priority (which would matter if there were multiple MX entries,
but there aren't).'

So, getting back to 'jim at systemateka.com', there _could_ be MX entries
in the public DNS saying where mail for DNS entity 'systemateka.com'
should be dropped off.  Checking the current DNS:

$ dig -t mx systemateka.com +short
20 mail.systemateka.com.
$

There is such an entry _now_.  There was not one on Saturday when Jim
first posted about his problem:  That was one of the several obstacles
he faced, and he's been very capably working through them.

(According to the RFCs, if a DNS entity lacks an MX entry for it,
delivering mail systems should, as a fallback, drop off mail at the
place where the regular-forward-lookup 'A' record points.  Thus,
although it's always a good idea to publish an MX record for any system
intended to receive SMTP mail, it's not strictly necessary unless you
want to say that mail for DNS entity X should be delivered to separate
DNS entity Y.)


Anyway, backing off to overview again:

You can't just wave a magic wand and say 'deliver mail addressed to
jim at systemateka.com to mail.systemateka.com'.  The effort starts with
understanding how mail gets delivered, step by step:

1.  The sending mail program drops off outbound mail at a delivering
SMTP host.

2.  The delivering SMTP host looks up the destination system's MX
record(s) in the DNS.  If that/those are non-existent, it falls back on
using the 'A' record contents.  Either way, it thus determines the
remote destination IP address.

3.  The delivering system opens a TCP socket to the remote destination's
SMTP port (tcp port 25), if one can be reached.  It describes the
results of that effort in logfiles kept by the Mail Transport Agent
(MTA = SMTP daemon) process.

4.  If delivery to a remote destination MTA is successful, then the
remote MTA examines and classifies the received mail, maybe throws away
or rejects it if the mail seems too spammy, or otherwise hands it off to
some local delivery agent (LDA) if it's deemed acceptable.  The results
of that activity gets described in logfiles kept by the receiving MTA.

If something goes wrong, following that chain of events will find it.
(Note that there are potentially two logfile entries to help tell you
the story.)  

Note also that steps #1-3 get rolled into a single step if you compose a
test e-mail, live, by simulating a delivering MTA and typing SMTP
commands into a telnet session you open to the receiving system's SMTP 
port (tcp port 25).


And, again, the result response codes that a receiving MTA issues (and
then get conveyed to sender in Deliver Status Notifications) are highly
meaningful, and tell you a _lot_ more than just 'bounce'.  Here's some
basic information about the three-digit response codes:
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/tech/smtpreplies.html

They are divided into categories:
2xx responses are success results.
4xx responses are transient (temporary) failure results.
5xx responses are permanent failure results.





From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Oct 30 20:58:28 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:58:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] CrossOver free on 31 October
Message-ID: <5090A1E4.8020509@dslextreme.com>

*    Thought this might be of some minor interest to a few folks
on the mailing list.

SAINT PAUL, Minn (October 29, 2012)* --- CodeWeavers, Inc., developer of 
CrossOver software which enables Mac and Linux users to run Windows 
software on their computers without the need of a Microsoft license, 
announced today that it will give away CrossOver for free on October 31, 
2012 to everyone on earth with a computer.

     MORE details here:

http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20121029/

     Download here:
<http://www.codeweavers.com/products>

     Bobbie Sellers

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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 16:03:02 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:03:02 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday November 4, 2012
In-Reply-To: <508EB688.8040009@dslextreme.com>
References: <508EB688.8040009@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFEEtUScJ3PMMTPqh6irdsQggAETWK7NhzzWL_Vxpry6vQ@mail.gmail.com>

At the meeting, a Toshbia tools package which wouldn't get past the
./configure stage on Ubuntu 12.04 (repeated on my home machine), worked
fine under Ubuntu 10.04.  The separation of 32/64 bit libraries like
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu implemented sometime after the 10.04 Ubuntu release
caused the problem.  The makefile generated in .../src showed that the fan
control program of interest did not even rely on the X libraries which were
causing the configure problem.  a straightforward gcc -o fan fan.c sci.c
hci.c will compile and link the fan utility without further hassle.
Ken

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From centeractive.communities at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 02:17:29 2012
From: centeractive.communities at gmail.com (Centeractive AG)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:17:29 +0100
Subject: [sf-lug] New log analysis tool - your feedback needed
Message-ID: <CAC=v=ahm_Y=itA1=26XWgqGz4erVdZaHL_FgtH3rN3Up72kGVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We are a Swiss software company called centeractive ag. We have recently
developed what we think is a pretty handy tool for log analysis called
Retrospective Log Analyzer (www.retrospective.ch).

It?s not a spam message; we are not trying to sell you anything. We would
like to offer your community 10 free Retrospective Log Analyzer licences
(worth 58$ each) in the hope that we will get some valuable feedback from
real users. Communities like yours seem a perfect place for this.  For the
previous 6 months we have been improving this software and the feedback we
have received so far has always been of great value to us.

To get your free licence you need to register at:
http://community.centeractive.net quoting the following code: US_SFR_7337.
Then you can go directly to the download site: www.retrospective.ch

Retrospective?s key features are: search / tail (monitoring) of  logs on
Linux hosts over SSH and on local disks, log entries split, column-split,
log4j support, date auto-parsing in logs, and SSH keys support.

The Retrospective cartoon presents all these features in a nutshell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pJn8ZEHRTE

We would be very grateful for any comments on our forum:
http://forums.centeractive.com/viewforum.php?f=3

Any serious advice/comments will be considered when we prepare the next
version.

Regards,
centeractive ag team
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From morganw8-nb at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  5 08:47:09 2012
From: morganw8-nb at yahoo.com (Morgan.)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:47:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday November 4, 2012
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFEEtUScJ3PMMTPqh6irdsQggAETWK7NhzzWL_Vxpry6vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1352134029.20543.YahooMailClassic@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>


Excellent!? Thanks for all your help Ken!? I'll give that a try and let you know.? 
It was great meeting you, Bobbie, John, and Jim yesterday.? 


--- On Sun, 11/4/12, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:
Date: Sunday, November 4, 2012, 4:03 PM

At the meeting, a Toshbia tools package which wouldn't get past the ./configure stage on Ubuntu 12.04 (repeated on my home machine), worked fine under Ubuntu 10.04.? The separation of 32/64 bit libraries like /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu implemented sometime after the 10.04 Ubuntu release caused the problem.? The makefile generated in .../src showed that the fan control program of interest did not even rely on the X libraries which were causing the configure problem.? a straightforward gcc -o fan fan.c sci.c hci.c will compile and link the fan utility without further hassle.

Ken


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From grantbow at ubuntu.com  Mon Nov  5 23:57:08 2012
From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:57:08 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Election results!
Message-ID: <16fb98d1-1e6b-4b2c-a1e5-f8df797f2fef@email.android.com>

The one year term winners were Elizabeth Krumbach, Philip Ballew & I. Comments and suggestions encouraged!

Cheers,

Grant



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Subject: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Election results!

Election results have been posted. Thank you to all who helped run the
election with myself, and thank you to all who ran in the election.

Results can be found here:
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_a11eb43113dc669f

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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  6 13:39:24 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:39:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1352237964.9368.YahooMailRC@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 16:18:21 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:18:21 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday November 4, 2012
In-Reply-To: <1352134029.20543.YahooMailClassic@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAMNwFF7g+y2eZeNqT8LQEcuK+HuSc0W2gz56Kj3vhfjQUBggA@mail.gmail.com>

Further checking on my 12.04 system -- turns out the configure script dies
when the libxt-dev package is not present.  Adding that, the script
completed, even though other missing X GTK libraries prevented the X build
from running.
Ken

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From muymuy1109 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  6 17:25:16 2012
From: muymuy1109 at yahoo.com (Gloria Bromberg)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:25:16 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Please unsubscribe
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From jim at systemateka.com  Thu Nov  8 09:59:52 2012
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:59:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Please unsubscribe
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Message-ID: <1352397592.2195.45.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


Hi, Gloria, 
    I've got a bit of a problem with this. Please 
reply using whatever email you wish and I'll 
explain and try to help. 





On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 17:25 -0800, Gloria Bromberg wrote:
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 11:10:20 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:10:20 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
Message-ID: <CAJdae4pKenDsH4aC4X+GusaSL3pZmSbn0Xssh5g_Qcpmrw5g0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am trying to remotely dial in to my boss's server so that I can work from
wherever I want using 12.04.  He is using a Windows server, probably
Microsoft Windows 7.  I have successfully dialed in before using several
different computers, but just recently recently have been getting this
error:

cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -f -a 16  -k en-us
ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known

I changed the IP address of my boss's server above to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
because I am not sure if it is smart to put that info up on the Internet.
(Would it be stupid to do that?)

My boss says that he can still dial in from his home using his Microsoft
Windows machine.  Googling, I see that it might have something to do with
Avahi:

********************************

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1044302

There are a couple of reasons for this error. It is most likely caused by
avahi. Avahi implements the zeroconf/Bonjour. Avahi is installed and turned
on by default in most of the recent versions of ubuntu. Avahi uses .local
by default (see
http://linux.die.net/man/5/avahi-daemon.conf<http://ubuntuforums.org/see%20http://linux.die.net/man/5/avahi-daemon.conf>also
http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=23255.0<http://http//forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=23255.0>)
It has also became a common practice to use .local for internal
networks.

The simplest test would be check if avahi is running and turn it off if it
is, and then try and connect using the name.

ps ax | grep avahi
service avahi-daemon stop
rdesktop myserver.mydomain.local

if you can now connect you have a name conflict between your internal name,
and avahi.
if you don't need it you can turn it off, however you loose some of the
cool features (automatic service discovery)

If you want to use avahi, then things get a bit more tricky
you can change your internal DNS domain from mydomain.local to something
like mydomain.private. However if you have even a moderate size network,
then the likely hood of things breaking is quite high.

Here is avahi's page with work arounds
http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal

I changed the avahi.conf file to .alocal but that didn';t work so I changed
/etc/nsswitch.conf. I located the hosts line and put dns in front of the
mdns stuff, like so
hosts: files dns mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return]

after that I could start avahi, and still do .local lookups

Hope this helps.

*************************************************

I am a relatively simple end user, and so I would prefer to implement a
solution or workaround that does not take me too far from a standard
install, because I will probably forget this issue and then I will be
creating more problems for gurus who might want to help me later.  Thanks
in advance for any help.
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From jim at well.com  Thu Nov  8 12:09:11 2012
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 12:09:11 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4pKenDsH4aC4X+GusaSL3pZmSbn0Xssh5g_Qcpmrw5g0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4pKenDsH4aC4X+GusaSL3pZmSbn0Xssh5g_Qcpmrw5g0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1352405351.2195.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    I don't have an answer, but I'll be interested in 
better understanding your command line: 
cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -f -a 16  -k en-us
^^^^^^^^^^--------your prompt, user cje on host rb 
..........^^^^^^^^---------the  rdesktop  connects to Windows RDP host 
...................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-------seems strange to me: [1] 
.......................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--options [2] 

[1] I suppose one can use a sub-domain name with an IP address; 
    I've never tried it and my current set ups seem not to allow 
    me to try that exact syntax. If you've previously used that 
    exact syntax, okay. 
    I would have guessed  rdesktop cje at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (assumes 
    the same username on the remote host). 
[2] -f  specifies fullscreen mode 
    -a 16  specifies color depth 
    -k en-us  specifies keyboard map 

ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known 
    This seems to complain about rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and I wonder 
if you didn't mis-type, maybe it should be 
rds at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ?? 

    As to changing config files, here are a couple of good 
(if not best) practice suggestions: 
* Make a copy of the config file you plan to modify; 
  give it a name with the last four characters .SAF 
  if the config file resides in a dedicated directory 
  such as /etc/avahi/ then keep the safe copy there 
  $ pwd 
  /etc/avahi 
  $ cp avahi-daemon.conf avahi-daemon.conf.SAF 
* In editing the conf file, add a comment at the top line 
  (or on the second line if the top line begins #!...) 
  with the date, the word CHANGED, and a brief description 
  of the change. 
* At the spot in the file that you make a change, put a 
  comment line immediately above the change that begins 
  with the date, the word CHANGED, and a brief description 
  of the change. 
! Note that you may make several changes in the file, so 
  the description you write at the top of the file will be 
  different from each of the individual descriptions. 
* Create a file that stores your maintenance log and in it 
  record the date, filename and path, and brief description, 
  all on a single line, for each change you make. 
* You surely have a regular maintenance schedule, so at the 
  time you dutifully do your backups and cleanup, use the 
  command 
  $ grep CHANGED /etc/* /etc/*/* 
  to remind yourself of what you've changed. 

    I hope this helps, if no one else, at least me after 
others correct, refine, improve.... 



On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 11:10 -0800, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to remotely dial in to my boss's server so that I can work
> from wherever I want using 12.04.  He is using a Windows server,
> probably Microsoft Windows 7.  I have successfully dialed in before
> using several different computers, but just recently recently have
> been getting this error:
> 
> cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -f -a 16  -k en-us
> ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
> 
> I changed the IP address of my boss's server above to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
> because I am not sure if it is smart to put that info up on the
> Internet.  (Would it be stupid to do that?)  
> 
> My boss says that he can still dial in from his home using his
> Microsoft Windows machine.  Googling, I see that it might have
> something to do with Avahi:
> 
> ********************************
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1044302
> 
> There are a couple of reasons for this error. It is most likely caused
> by avahi. Avahi implements the zeroconf/Bonjour. Avahi is installed
> and turned on by default in most of the recent versions of ubuntu.
> Avahi uses .local by default (see
> http://linux.die.net/man/5/avahi-daemon.conf also
> http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=23255.0 ) It has also became
> a common practice to use .local for internal networks. 
> 
> The simplest test would be check if avahi is running and turn it off
> if it is, and then try and connect using the name.
> 
> ps ax | grep avahi
> service avahi-daemon stop
> rdesktop myserver.mydomain.local
> 
> if you can now connect you have a name conflict between your internal
> name, and avahi.
> if you don't need it you can turn it off, however you loose some of
> the cool features (automatic service discovery)
> 
> If you want to use avahi, then things get a bit more tricky
> you can change your internal DNS domain from mydomain.local to
> something like mydomain.private. However if you have even a moderate
> size network, then the likely hood of things breaking is quite high.
> 
> Here is avahi's page with work arounds
> http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal
> 
> I changed the avahi.conf file to .alocal but that didn';t work so I
> changed /etc/nsswitch.conf. I located the hosts line and put dns in
> front of the mdns stuff, like so
> hosts: files dns mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return]
> 
> after that I could start avahi, and still do .local lookups
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> *************************************************
> 
> I am a relatively simple end user, and so I would prefer to implement
> a solution or workaround that does not take me too far from a standard
> install, because I will probably forget this issue and then I will be
> creating more problems for gurus who might want to help me later.
> Thanks in advance for any help. 
> 
> 
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 13:24:44 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:24:44 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
In-Reply-To: <1352405351.2195.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <CAJdae4pKenDsH4aC4X+GusaSL3pZmSbn0Xssh5g_Qcpmrw5g0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1352405351.2195.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <CAJdae4pqTpeKXyUfS9pRYSjGO_yjbOuMtwMqbd6-4Fa4Cwycqw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks for your reply, Jim...

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:09 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>
>     I don't have an answer, but I'll be interested in
> better understanding your command line:
> cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -f -a 16  -k en-us
> ^^^^^^^^^^--------your prompt, user cje on host rb
> ..........^^^^^^^^---------the  rdesktop  connects to Windows RDP host
> ...................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-------seems strange to me: [1]
> .......................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--options [2]
>
> [1] I suppose one can use a sub-domain name with an IP address;
>     I've never tried it and my current set ups seem not to allow
>     me to try that exact syntax. If you've previously used that
>     exact syntax, okay.
>     I would have guessed  rdesktop cje at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (assumes
>     the same username on the remote host).
>

I have connected to the server in two ways:

cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -f -a 16  -k en-us

and

cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.domainname.com -f -a 16  -k en-us

domainname.com is of course not the real command.  I left out the real
server name because I *think* it might be stupid to put that on the
Internet.  Not sure.  Anyone accessing the server would still have to enter
a user name and a password, but why push my luck, especially since I am
such a newbie in this area.



> ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
>     This seems to complain about rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and I wonder
> if you didn't mis-type, maybe it should be
> rds at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ??
>

No, no typo.  I usually just start my BASH terminal and hit the up arrow
until I come to the command that has always been successful in the past.


>
>     As to changing config files, here are a couple of good
> (if not best) practice suggestions:
>

Thanks for these suggestions.  I am a little wary of changing config files
until I have a better idea as to what is going on, and what might go wrong
if I change config files.

Thanks again for your thoughts, JIm.
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 14:41:41 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:41:41 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4pqTpeKXyUfS9pRYSjGO_yjbOuMtwMqbd6-4Fa4Cwycqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4pKenDsH4aC4X+GusaSL3pZmSbn0Xssh5g_Qcpmrw5g0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1352405351.2195.79.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAJdae4pqTpeKXyUfS9pRYSjGO_yjbOuMtwMqbd6-4Fa4Cwycqw@mail.gmail.com>
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Christian,
The rdesktop command I use to connect to a virtual Windows desktop is:
rdesktop -g1024x768 -a16 -ken-us -xl -uowner ${MYVIP}:3389

Try the 3389 port number at the end.
Ken

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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 14:52:11 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:52:11 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
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hi,

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Christian,
> The rdesktop command I use to connect to a virtual Windows desktop is:
> rdesktop -g1024x768 -a16 -ken-us -xl -uowner ${MYVIP}:3389
>
> Try the 3389 port number at the end.
>

Same result:

cje at rb:~$ rdesktop -g1024x768 -a16 -ken-us -xl -uowner
rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:3389
ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known

Thanks for your suggestion, Ken.
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 15:10:31 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:10:31 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
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Christian,
Try eliminating the rds at the start of the ip address too.
Ken

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> hi,
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Christian,
>> The rdesktop command I use to connect to a virtual Windows desktop is:
>> rdesktop -g1024x768 -a16 -ken-us -xl -uowner ${MYVIP}:3389
>>
>> Try the 3389 port number at the end.
>>
>
> Same result:
>
> cje at rb:~$ rdesktop -g1024x768 -a16 -ken-us -xl -uowner
> rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:3389
>
> ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
>
> Thanks for your suggestion, Ken.
>
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 15:20:26 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:20:26 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
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Also, unless you are trying to log in as user = "owner", remove the -uowner
too.
Use your old login string but just change the rds and port 3389.  I get the
same error when
I put an rds on my IP address.
Ken

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Christian,
> Try eliminating the rds at the start of the ip address too.
> Ken
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Christian,
>>> The rdesktop command I use to connect to a virtual Windows desktop is:
>>> rdesktop -g1024x768 -a16 -ken-us -xl -uowner ${MYVIP}:3389
>>>
>>> Try the 3389 port number at the end.
>>>
>>
>> Same result:
>>
>> cje at rb:~$ rdesktop -g1024x768 -a16 -ken-us -xl -uowner
>> rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:3389
>>
>> ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, Ken.
>>
>
>
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Nov  8 15:59:36 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:59:36 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
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Message-ID: <20121108235935.GS2744@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com):

> I am trying to remotely dial in to my boss's server so that I can work from
> wherever I want using 12.04.  He is using a Windows server, probably
> Microsoft Windows 7.  I have successfully dialed in before using several
> different computers, but just recently recently have been getting this
> error:
> 
> cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -f -a 16  -k en-us
> ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
> 
> I changed the IP address of my boss's server above to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
> because I am not sure if it is smart to put that info up on the Internet.

In a follow-up:

> I have connected to the server in two ways:
> 
> cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -f -a 16  -k en-us
> 
> and
> 
> cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.domainname.com -f -a 16  -k en-us

Christian did not say what happened when he typed 

    rdesktop rds.domainname.com -f -a 16  -k en-us

...but impliedly he's at least _suggesting_ that he got something like
'Name or service not known'.

Here, Christian says something that hints at a (very) key problem:

   rdesktop rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

He says that 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' is the IP address of the server in
question.  So, for example, my own main Internet server has DNS name 
(among others) 'linuxmafia.com', which resolves to IP address
198.144.195.186.  You can always look up DNS resolution using the 'host'
command:

$ host linuxmafia.com 
linuxmafia.com has address 198.144.195.186
linuxmafia.com mail is handled by 10 linuxmafia.com.
$

So, Christian is saying that he was trying to make rdesktop connect to
'rds.198.144.195.186', where my '198.144.195.186' IP address stands in,
here, for the real workplace IP address he's using.

That would be a problem, because 'rds.198.144.195.186' (and similar)
doesn't make sense.  The thing you tell rdesktop to connect to has to be
either a real resolvable name or a real IP address.
'rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' is neither of those things.

You cannot just prepend 'rds.' to a real target specifier and hope that
the rdesktop software will figure out what you mean.  You need to give
the name or IP number of the place you want rdesktop to connect to.

Using Christian's shorthand, that would be either 

    rdesktop xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
or 
    rdesktop SOMENAME

where SOMENAME is a server hostname that can be resolved to an IP.
And _what_ names resolve to IPs?  That's where 'Avahi' might be in the
picture and be relevant, or it might not.  Christian found
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1044302 and went chasing after
the ideas in that thread under the idea of them being relevant, but 
ought to question whether the ZeroConf/Bonjour/Rendezvous[1] network
service (which the Avahi daemon deals with) even exists in his boss's
office -- and, if it exists, has anything in it about the Windows
Terminal Server (or other RDP = Remote Desktop Protocol service) box
that's even relevant.

Moreover, ZeroConf/Bonjour is, like DNS, just a complicated way of 
looking up an IP given a name, or vice-versa.  Christian says he 
already has the IP, given in his message as 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx'.  So,
this should work:

    rdesktop xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
or 
   rdesktop SOMENAME

...where SOMENAME is a name his system can look up (e.g., test that
assumption using 'dig').

FWIW, the ZeroConf aka Bonjour aka Rendezvous name-service protocol is 
intended to be a chatty, local network service supporting devices'
ability to autodiscover things nearby they might want to talk to.  E.g.,
you might put a printer on the office LAN with ZeroConf broadcasting
enabled.  The printer then cheerfully announces in ZeroConf speak 
'Hi, I'm a [foo]-type printer at IP address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx named [bar],
and available for your local use'.  Other devices that hear the 
broadcast can then decide to do so, or not.

ZeroConf and DNS are two forms of name-resolution to determine IPs
(and reverse-resolve).  There are others.  Some Microsoft-oriented
offices use Active Directory as a name service.  That creates a 
Microsoft-derived extension to the local DNS space in the form of a
[hostname].local name tree.

But, hey, if you already have the IP, and it's static (doesn't
occasionally change under you), then use the IP, and none of the rest of
that matters.  Clear?

> I changed the avahi.conf file to .alocal but that didn';t work so I changed
> /etc/nsswitch.conf.

Honestly, don't mess with /etc/nsswitch.conf unless you _really_ 
know what you're doing.

One last thing.  I noticed:


> cje at rb:~$ rdesktop rds.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -f -a 16  -k en-us

You used this sort of syntax:

   command argument options

A Unix command's options traditionally are the things that have hyphens
in front of them, and the associated text.  These are options you
specified:

    -f
    -a 16
    -k en-us

The '-f' is fullscreen mode.
The '-a 16' is 16-bit colour depth.
The '-k en-us' signifies to assume a US-English keyboard.

That's all great, _but_ you put all of that in the wrong order.
The manpage for rdesktop says the required command syntax is:

   rdesktop [options] server[:port]

In other word:

   command options argument
not
   command argument options

I cannot think offhand of _any_ Unix command that doesn't expect options
to come first.  So, in addition to your not specifying a name or IP that
made any sense, you also were putting all your options in the wrong
place, and odds are they were getting ignored.

To sum, try:

  rdesktop  -f  -a 16  -k en-us  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
or
  rdesktop  -f  -a 16  -k en-us  SOMENAME

(No, the number of spaces doesn't matter as long as there is at least
one space between items on a command line.  I just grouped for clarity.)

'Hope that helps.

[1] The official IETF name is ZeroConf.  Rendezvous and Bonjour are
marketing names.  There have been some fights over trademarks.




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Nov  8 16:04:00 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:04:00 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
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Quoting Ken Shaffer (kenshaffer80 at gmail.com):

> Try the 3389 port number at the end.

3389 is actually rdesktop's _default_ dest. port number, so '${MYVIP}:3389'
ends up saying the same thing that '${MYVIP}' does sans :3389 .



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 16:26:06 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:26:06 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
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Hi,

Thanks so much to all who replied to my question.  Thanks to your
collective wisdom, I have been able to re-connect to the Microsoft Windows
server.  Here is how I did it.

cje at rb:~$ rdesktop -g1280x1024 -a16 -ken-us -xl 165.165.165.165:3389

The IP address is obviously not 165.165.165.165.  I changed that number
because I was not sure if it is okay to put an IP address up on the
Internet.

So thanks again to everyone who replied!  I continue to be amazed that even
a simple end user like myself with very limited skills is able to overcome
some very daunting (to me) technical issues with the help of people who are
not even in the same room or even the same city.  I find that to be very
moving, and thank you all very much.

Next time I go into my boss's Microsoft Windows server, I will try Rick
Moen's suggestion to drop the :3389 from the end and see what happens.  I
will report back to you here.  Thx again to all.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, unless you are trying to log in as user = "owner", remove the
> -uowner too.
> Use your old login string but just change the rds and port 3389.  I get
> the same error when
> I put an rds on my IP address.
> Ken
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Christian,
>> Try eliminating the rds at the start of the ip address too.
>> Ken
>>
>
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 16:29:29 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:29:29 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
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Thank you for this extensive response, Rick.
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Nov  8 17:06:07 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:06:07 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
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Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com):

> Thank you for this extensive response, Rick.

My pleasure, Christian.  I hope it helped!

As a bonus, here is a dirt-simple shell script that I use on a
workstation to run rdesktop:

$ ls -l bin/rdesktop
-rwxr-xr-x 1 rmoen rmoen 75 May 10  2011 bin/rdesktop
$ cat bin/rdesktop
rdesktop -u rmoen -g 1280x1024 -a 16 -k en-us targethost.somecompany.com &
$

You may want to put something like that somewhere convenient, like in 
~/bin or /usr/local/bin .  (Notice that I set the file executable.)





From einfeldt at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 17:28:08 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:28:08 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] ERROR: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known
In-Reply-To: <20121109010607.GF30548@linuxmafia.com>
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Thanks for this bonus suggestion, Rick!

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com):
>
> > Thank you for this extensive response, Rick.
>
> My pleasure, Christian.  I hope it helped!
>
> As a bonus, here is a dirt-simple shell script that I use on a
> workstation to run rdesktop:
>
> $ ls -l bin/rdesktop
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 rmoen rmoen 75 May 10  2011 bin/rdesktop
> $ cat bin/rdesktop
> rdesktop -u rmoen -g 1280x1024 -a 16 -k en-us targethost.somecompany.com &
> $
>
> You may want to put something like that somewhere convenient, like in
> ~/bin or /usr/local/bin .  (Notice that I set the file executable.)
>
>
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From jstrazza at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 10 21:30:06 2012
From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:30:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Laptop Bios Questions
Message-ID: <1352611806.90543.YahooMailNeo@web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

My son has a?Asus G73 laptop which has a backlit keyboard.? The keyboard?backlight was working when he flashed?the Bios.? The Bios update failed and the machine was bricked.? He found a site on Ebay which said it would correct the bios error.? He sent in the machine and it came back working fine, except for the backlight, which no longer worked.
?
1) If an incorrect bios was installed, would this make the backlight not work?
?
2) Is this just a silly coincidence?
?
John
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From akkana at shallowsky.com  Sun Nov 11 09:53:07 2012
From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:53:07 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Laptop Bios Questions
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John F. Strazzarino writes:
> If an incorrect bios was installed, would this make the backlight not work?

- The new bios could be disabling the backlight for some reason.
- The identifier of the backlight device might have changed, so
  udev is no longer recognizing it.
- The identifier of the machine itself might have changed, so udev
  isn't finding the keymap to increase/decrease the backlight.
- Lots of other possibilities I haven't thought of.

Or, of course, there's the scarier possibility that they might have
opened up the machine and accidentally dislodged a wire and now the
actual hardware is broken.

	...Akkana



From wellmanron at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 17:26:29 2012
From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:26:29 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Laptop Bios Questions
Message-ID: <CAH_p_2ojtgL4pujECwei53_WqK4hVTaYDX442ewgHGkq2R=K8w@mail.gmail.com>

you might return it to the repair shop for fixing, since it seems to me
you've paid for a complete repair to the original problem.
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Nov 13 10:29:04 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:29:04 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meets next Monday November 19, 2012
Message-ID: <50A29170.2010709@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     Meeting times are nominal so that if you come after 7:30 PM
we may have left.

     The previous meeting on Sunday has been adequately described
by other posters.

     So I am hauling along the latest Linux Pro magazine which came
with a copy of Open SUZE 12.2 one side of the DVD for 32 bit
version and the other of course for 64 bit.  Both sides are live.

     Trying that out and seeing an ad for PCLinux OS 2012 on
the cover of another magazine got me interested and I down
loaded not only the PCLinux OS live disk but also the install
only version of Debian 6.0.6.  I will be dragging all those disks
  along to the meeting.  I got KDE versions of the PCLinux OS
in AMD_64 version to demo on my notebook.

     Hope to see you there.

     Bobbie Sellers




From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 13 10:35:12 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:35:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at
	Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1352831712.44189.YahooMailRC@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing 
classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 15:45:50 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:45:50 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu-themed jewelry
Message-ID: <CAJdae4oSGUBKqQ6TNHsYO1zx-QosDyuA5c3v2J3xdmOKgFfG5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

One of the Partimus co-founders, Maile Urbancic, has created pretty
necklaces and earrings with the Ubuntu theme.  If you were looking for a
nice gift for someone who likes the Ubuntu GNU-Linux logo, this is a great
way to share it:

http://blog.partimus.org/?p=414

here is a link that discusses the earrings

http://blog.partimus.org/?p=128

What's doubly nice is that Partimus.org, the local non-profit that puts
Linux computers in schools, receives $10.00 from the sale of each necklace
and $6.00 from the sale of each set of earrings.  So not only are you
sharing your love for one of the GNU-Linux distros, you are also helping to
put a Linux computer in front of a needy kid by buying one of these items.
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From mhigashi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 16:36:59 2012
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:36:59 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Gabriella Coleman book release event in SF,
	this Friday at 7 pm
Message-ID: <CADsu0t_Ui6F=W4PNGeE2yQqeZG80Lfb8a9VGzGOhNgdhwK4HWw@mail.gmail.com>

Some of you may remember Gabriella (or 'Biella') Coleman [1] from
when she stayed in San Francisco while conducting research for her
Ph.D. dissertation in cultural anthropology.  (The topic of her work
was the culture of open source projects.)

One of Biella's earliest contacts with Bay Area open source groups
(if not her very first) was at a BALUG meeting.  She regularly attended
local user group meetings while conducting her research here.

Biella is coming back to San Francisco for a American Anthropological
Association conference, and will be making a visit to Noisebridge [2]
(a hacker space) this Friday, the 16th, at 7 pm to commemorate the
launch of her new book, Coding Freedom: The Ethics and Aesthetics
of Hacking (Princeton University Press). [3]

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street (near the corner of
18th Street), on the third floor. [4]


[1] About Biella:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriella_Coleman

[2] Noisebridge:   https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge

[3] Coding Freedom:   http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9883.html

[4] directions:  https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Getting_Here


Regards to all,
Mike Higashi



From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 13:43:02 2012
From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:43:02 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] job opening
Message-ID: <50A41066.4020302@gmail.com>

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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Nov 19 06:44:27 2012
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:44:27 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2012-11-20 BALUG meeting
Message-ID: <20121119064427.96770esnsbc6lbyg@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2012-11-20 BALUG meeting

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2012-11-20 BALUG meeting!
Book(s), CDs, and other "door prizes", etc.
new group/meeting: Ubuntu Hour Berkeley
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org
volunteering to help BALUG

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
TOMORROW Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2012-11-20

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our 2012-11-20 BALUG meeting, we theoretically have a
speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but I've not received
"final" details or recent confirmation.  Regardless, that doesn't
prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings.  Sometimes we
also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to announce or
fully publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice in the past
nine or so years).  Got questions, answers, and/or opinions?  We
typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) present to
cover LINUX and related topic areas.  Want to hear some interesting
discussions on LINUX and other topics?  Show up at the meeting, and
feel free to bring an agenda if you wish.  Want to help ensure BALUG
has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings?  Help refer
speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker coordinators.
Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to be had.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, November 20th, 2012 2012-11-20

                        Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
              cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
              family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
              also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping
              to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

Book(s), CDs, and other "door prizes", etc.

Goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following):

Book(s):
Practical Guide to Linux Commands, Editors, and Shell Programming, A,
3rd Edition
see:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2012-November/004885.html

CDs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have
"door prizes".

------------------------------

new group/meeting: Ubuntu Hour Berkeley

New to Berkeley - Ubuntu Hour Berkeley:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!topic/berkeleylug/ickm8TfpO34

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  (quite a variety of opportunities)
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Nov 19 20:16:28 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:16:28 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Software development, humorous cartoon, one page
In-Reply-To: <50AA503B.5040305@dslextreme.com>
References: <50AA503B.5040305@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <50AB041C.6090208@dslextreme.com>


A few of you guys can tell whether the metaphor is apt.

<http://www.sandraandwoo.com/>

      bliss





From algoldor at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 19 21:44:10 2012
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:44:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Software development, humorous cartoon, one page
In-Reply-To: <50AB041C.6090208@dslextreme.com>
References: <50AA503B.5040305@dslextreme.com> <50AB041C.6090208@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1353390250.88414.YahooMailNeo@web112403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Nice! I like also the joke before with the cat and girl :-)

Sincerely,

?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi



________________________________
 From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com>
To: SF-LUG <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:16 PM
Subject: [sf-lug] Software development, humorous cartoon, one page
 

A few of you guys can tell whether the metaphor is apt.

<http://www.sandraandwoo.com/>

? ?  bliss



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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 20 12:01:01 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:01:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Nov. 28th - Next Linux Discussion
Message-ID: <1353441661.60862.YahooMailRC@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Tomorrow the hosts and organizers will not be there, but the room is reserved 
for those who want to use it.

The next "official" Linux Discussion meeting will be on Wednesday, November 28, 
2012 at 6:00 PM PST.


The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday 
evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Tue Nov 20 14:16:38 2012
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:16:38 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Tu 2012-10-16 BALUG meeting: Yes: Devin Teske
	onFreeBSD (do	you know there if anyone is sharing a topic tonight?)
In-Reply-To: <CAH5vBdL_ZMVngL7ybVwu+-2gdk31WN9e+_1J=dyxCMq6oYWvMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121015141238.15567ypqg5vh7gis@webmail.rawbw.com>
	<CAH5vBd+jt=XUA_pSdQKLrCSBfRCyEdZVW1eCR=YwANxTWdQO3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH5vBdLgiMaumgrhuK1EkJFgvcN5nPY3vBdqmU5xfKv_2dgwvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH5vBdL_ZMVngL7ybVwu+-2gdk31WN9e+_1J=dyxCMq6oYWvMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121120141638.158361ykeshyzvwo@webmail.rawbw.com>

Yes.

references/excerpts:
http://www.balug.org/#Meetings-upcoming
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2012-November/000198.html

> From: "cheng renquan" <crquan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] BALUG TOMORROW! Tu 2012-10-16 BALUG meeting
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:35:20 -0800

> Hi Michael, do you know there if anyone is sharing a topic tonight?




From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Nov 21 11:46:17 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:46:17 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux attacked by root kit!
Message-ID: <50AD2F89.7060606@dslextreme.com>

 From BitTwister on Usenet.

Linux malware is getting better

Evildoers can now turn all sites on a Linux server into silent hell-pits
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/powerful_linux_rootkit/

I thoughthttp://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2012/Nov/94  has a nice
troubleshooting tip which looks like it would not be too hard to
automate a quick telnet check.

	
	Bobbie Sellers




From morganw8-nb at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 20:42:42 2012
From: morganw8-nb at yahoo.com (Morgan.)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:42:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Fw: Re:  SF Lug meeting Sunday November 4, 2012
Message-ID: <1353559362.93203.YahooMailClassic@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>


Hi Ken, 

I went to the src dir and ran your command.? It compiled without errors.? It created a single executable called "fan"? 

I typed ./fan at the prompt and it said: 
fan: laptop does not have cooling fan or kernel module not installed.

I did "file fan" and received this:
fan: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped

Any clue how to proceed from here?? -Thanks, Morgan


--- On Mon, 11/5/12, Morgan. <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Morgan. <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday November 4, 2012
To: "Ken Shaffer" <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
Date: Monday, November 5, 2012, 8:47 AM


Excellent!? Thanks for all your help Ken!? I'll give that a try and let you know.? 
It was great meeting you, Bobbie, John, and Jim yesterday.? 


--- On Sun, 11/4/12, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:
Date: Sunday, November 4, 2012, 4:03 PM

At the meeting, a Toshbia tools package which wouldn't get past the ./configure stage on Ubuntu 12.04 (repeated on my home machine), worked fine under Ubuntu 10.04.? The separation of 32/64 bit libraries like /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu implemented sometime after the 10.04 Ubuntu release caused the problem.? The makefile generated in .../src showed that the fan control program of interest did not even rely on the X
 libraries which were causing the configure problem.? a straightforward gcc -o fan fan.c sci.c hci.c will compile and link the fan utility without further hassle.

Ken


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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 11:32:36 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:32:36 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Fw: Re:  SF Lug meeting Sunday November 4, 2012
In-Reply-To: <1353559362.93203.YahooMailClassic@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1353559362.93203.YahooMailClassic@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFHW9dWKQw55sg+RucYZS6gb7GXjDCya0bzd-MNhRxcgDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Morgan,
I discovered that adding the X intrinsics packages let the ./configure run
on my 12.04 system.  libxt6 and libxt-dev.  Try the whole thing, maybe a
kernel module gets created too.  I don't have a Toshiba, so can't test
anything myself.
Ken

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Morgan. <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Ken,
>
> I went to the src dir and ran your command.  It compiled without errors.
> It created a single executable called "fan"
>
> I typed ./fan at the prompt and it said:
> fan: laptop does not have cooling fan or kernel module not installed.
>
> I did "file fan" and received this:
> fan: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically
> linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped
>
> Any clue how to proceed from here?  -Thanks, Morgan
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 11/5/12, Morgan. <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Morgan. <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday November 4, 2012
> To: "Ken Shaffer" <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com>
> Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> Date: Monday, November 5, 2012, 8:47 AM
>
>
> Excellent!  Thanks for all your help Ken!  I'll give that a try and let
> you know.
> It was great meeting you, Bobbie, John, and Jim yesterday.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Nov 22 20:37:05 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 20:37:05 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux attacked by root kit!
In-Reply-To: <50AD2F89.7060606@dslextreme.com>
References: <50AD2F89.7060606@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20121123043705.GG2744@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> From BitTwister on Usenet.
> 
> Linux malware is getting better
> 
> Evildoers can now turn all sites on a Linux server into silent hell-pits
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/powerful_linux_rootkit/

Bobbie, I have two immediate recommendations.

1.  Please look up what a 'rootkit' is, so you can understand why 
inherently such a thing cannot attack anything or anyone.

2.  Please don't be so quick to take seriously what trolling yoyos
at _The Register_ write (nor what antimalware firms' spokescritters
say to drum up business, either).

Beyond those general points, here's a reasonable specific comment:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2012/11/msg00036.html

Basically, http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/?page=virus#virus5 is still
correct.  (I haven't even needed to add more detail to it for seven
years.)



From jim at well.com  Fri Nov 23 12:31:00 2012
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:31:00 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Changes in Noisebridge Tuesday Linux meeting format
Message-ID: <1353702660.1845.217.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    On Tuesday afternoons, from 3:00 to 4:30 PM, there 
is a change of format from study group to class. The 
class format means someone acts as an instructor or 
lecturer and presents a topic. 
    Also on Tuesday early evenings, from 6:30 to 7:30, 
there will be a recap of the afternoon presentation. 

    For this coming Tuesday, 20121127, the topic will 
be users, groups, and permissions. 
    For Tuesday, 20121204, the topic will be XOrg 
(X11). 

   See the Noisebridge wiki front page for descriptions 
and links to internal pages describing the series. 
http://www.noisebridge.net 

    If you want a particular topic presented, or if you 
want to present a particular topic, please let us know. 

jim at well.com 






From morganw8-nb at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 13:15:38 2012
From: morganw8-nb at yahoo.com (Morgan.)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:15:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] about to purchase mini netbook
Message-ID: <1353878138.69143.YahooMailClassic@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hey people, 

I'm about to purchase a used Dell Inspiron Mini 1012.? Do you know of any problems or cautionary tales for these netbooks?? Should I run an LDXE or Xfce on it?? 

Ram has been upgraded from 1GB to 2GB. 
Intel Atom Processor N450 (1.66GHz, 512K L2 Cache)
 802.11n Wireless
250 GB HD
10.1 inch screen 

Thanks for your time on this basic query. 

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From lyz at princessleia.com  Sun Nov 25 14:09:32 2012
From: lyz at princessleia.com (Elizabeth Krumbach)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:09:32 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] [Noisebridge-discuss] about to purchase mini netbook
In-Reply-To: <1353878138.69143.YahooMailClassic@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1353878138.69143.YahooMailClassic@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABesOu3AvvbGkDaArHbfQEUJ4wFNqacaQ2fT+1ywVu5-5DUStQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Morgan. <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm about to purchase a used Dell Inspiron Mini 1012.  Do you know of any
> problems or cautionary tales for these netbooks?  Should I run an LDXE or
> Xfce on it?
>
> Ram has been upgraded from 1GB to 2GB.
> Intel Atom Processor N450 (1.66GHz, 512K L2 Cache)
> 802.11n Wireless
> 250 GB HD
> 10.1 inch screen

I actively use the Dell mini9 which is pretty identical in specs but
has a smaller screen. I have 1G of RAM and am running Xubuntu (Xfce)
on it. It's not super fast and playback of flash can be choppy, but
it's fine for light duty stuff (web browsing, ssh, basic image
editing). The only caution is the broadcom chipset for wireless, but
it works fine with the standard proprietary drivers in Linux.

--
Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2
http://www.princessleia.com



From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 14:12:09 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:12:09 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] about to purchase mini netbook
In-Reply-To: <1353878138.69143.YahooMailClassic@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1353878138.69143.YahooMailClassic@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFFUsn_qE7ZL_BxGjrxdozfi_W-JuayymZreR0MfFRUb1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Morgan,
That sounds just like the little MSI netbook I have, on which I run Ubuntu
from a 4G USB stick.  I thought it ran standard Ubuntu just fine, running
Unity 3D with no complaints.  Since X was fixed in Ubuntu 10.x, no tweaking
was needed to handle the odd 600 vertical display size. Mine would need
some file shifting to free up any hard disk partition space, all 4
primaries are in use, but that's probably what I'll do, since I recently
fried the little 4G button I had been using.
Ken

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Morgan. <morganw8-nb at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey people,
>
> I'm about to purchase a used Dell Inspiron Mini 1012.  Do you know of any
> problems or cautionary tales for these netbooks?  Should I run an LDXE or
> Xfce on it?
>
> Ram has been upgraded from 1GB to 2GB.
> Intel Atom Processor N450 (1.66GHz, 512K L2 Cache)
> 802.11n Wireless
> 250 GB HD
> 10.1 inch screen
>
> Thanks for your time on this basic query.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
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From akkana at shallowsky.com  Sun Nov 25 16:38:43 2012
From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:38:43 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] [Noisebridge-discuss] about to purchase mini netbook
In-Reply-To: <CABesOu3AvvbGkDaArHbfQEUJ4wFNqacaQ2fT+1ywVu5-5DUStQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1353878138.69143.YahooMailClassic@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CABesOu3AvvbGkDaArHbfQEUJ4wFNqacaQ2fT+1ywVu5-5DUStQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121126003843.GB1685@shallowsky.com>

Elizabeth Krumbach writes:
> The only caution is the broadcom chipset for wireless, but
> it works fine with the standard proprietary drivers in Linux.

Wi-fi chips are easy to swap out, especially on the Mini 9 (not sure
if the Mini 1012 is as easy to disassemble as the 9; my Latitude 2120
is a bit more difficult). So if you ever get dissatisfied with the
Broadcom, you can buy an Intel card for $25 or so and swap it in.
It'll get better range than the Broadcom, too. The only tricky part
is the teeny delicate antenna connector.

As for whether you should run a lightweight desktop, that's personal
preference, but lots of people happily run full desktops on Atom N450
machines. If you've run a gnome or unity desktop up to now, you
probably won't change just because you got an Atom laptop. But
if you do decide to change, there are plenty of good options.

	...Akkana



From larry.cafiero at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 21:12:29 2012
From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:12:29 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SCALE 11X -- February 22-24, 2013
Message-ID: <CAA9tYz=qvWZy7PtwGm3N9mN=t7gsAuGEG5qdSXjrhZvKZLpgqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, all --

Just a heads up: The Southern California Linux Expo SCALE 11X will be
held from Feb. 22-24, 2013, at the Hilton Los Angeles Airport hotel.

Registration is open until the show starts in February. However, the
call for papers to present a talk at the show is open until Dec. 10,
so if you have an overwhelming desire to give a talk at SCALE 11X, now
would be a good time to submit it.

General info: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org

Call for Papers: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/cfp

Hope to see you there.

Larry Cafiero / Publicity chair / SCALE 11X



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Nov 26 07:21:13 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:21:13 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux attacked by root kit!
In-Reply-To: <20121123043705.GG2744@linuxmafia.com>
References: <50AD2F89.7060606@dslextreme.com>
	<20121123043705.GG2744@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <50B388E9.2080706@dslextreme.com>

On 11/22/2012 08:37 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):
>
>>  From BitTwister on Usenet.
>>
>> Linux malware is getting better
>>
>> Evildoers can now turn all sites on a Linux server into silent hell-pits
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/powerful_linux_rootkit/
> Bobbie, I have two immediate recommendations.
>
> 1.  Please look up what a 'rootkit' is, so you can understand why
> inherently such a thing cannot attack anything or anyone.

     Sorry I should have said that some one with root access however
gained is attacking Linux servers using a root-kit.
>
> 2.  Please don't be so quick to take seriously what trolling yoyos
> at _The Register_ write (nor what antimalware firms' spokescritters
> say to drum up business, either).

     I don't know if those groups are involved in these reports.

>
> Beyond those general points, here's a reasonable specific comment:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2012/11/msg00036.html
>
> Basically, http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/?page=virus#virus5 is still
> correct.  (I haven't even needed to add more detail to it for seven
> years.)
>
>
     Here is another reference to the same topic,

Linux News
Linux attacked by malware Root Kit
You may have heard of this already but a neat
summary of the story can be found at:

<http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Rootkit-infects-Linux-web-servers-1753969.html>

	I accidentally sent this to Rick privately for which
I apologize.

	Bobbie





From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Nov 26 09:26:35 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:26:35 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux attacked by root kit!
In-Reply-To: <50B388E9.2080706@dslextreme.com>
References: <50AD2F89.7060606@dslextreme.com>
	<20121123043705.GG2744@linuxmafia.com>
	<50B388E9.2080706@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <20121126172635.GN2744@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> On 11/22/2012 08:37 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> >Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):
> >
> >> From BitTwister on Usenet.
> >>
> >>Linux malware is getting better
> >>
> >>Evildoers can now turn all sites on a Linux server into silent hell-pits
> >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/powerful_linux_rootkit/
> >Bobbie, I have two immediate recommendations.
> >
> >1.  Please look up what a 'rootkit' is, so you can understand why
> >inherently such a thing cannot attack anything or anyone.
> 
>     Sorry I should have said that some one with root access however
> gained is attacking Linux servers using a root-kit.

Just to clarify for readers:  A rootkit is a set of substitutes for
common administrative utilities that can be installed on a system _if_
you can (through other means entirely) enter the system and gain root
authority.  Metaphorically speaking, it's a camouflage cloak.  You
cannot attack anything with a camouflage cloak, and are not rendered
vulnerable or threatened by its existence.

One of the sure sign of either incompetent or dishonest IT reporting is
to claim software useless for such purposes is being used to 'attack'
or 'threaten' or 'break into' Linux systems -- e.g., rootkits, ELF
infectors, locally installed worms that an intruder who's stolen root
through other means uses for further operations.

As I've pointed out on
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/?page=virus#virus5 for decades, such
things are _after-effects_ of real security problems.

Remember the Monty Python self-defense skit that featured the immortal
line 'Come at me with that banana'?  Ah, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
Well, rootkits are about as useful as bananas for attacking anything.

Saying (as the nitwit _Register_ reporter did) that 'Evildoers can now
turn all sites on a Linux server into silent hell-pits' just because
someone using _other means entirely_ might break into a supposedly
secure Web server and install a rootkit is like finding a burglar in the
middle of Fort Knox clutching a banana and saying 'Well, of course he
was able to threaten the nation's gold supply.  He had a banana!'


> >2.  Please don't be so quick to take seriously what trolling yoyos
> >at _The Register_ write (nor what antimalware firms' spokescritters
> >say to drum up business, either).
> 
>     I don't know if those groups are involved in these reports.

Um, they were _quoted_, Bobbie.

>     Here is another reference to the same topic,
> 
> Linux News
> Linux attacked by malware Root Kit
>
> You may have heard of this already but a neat
> summary of the story can be found at:
> 
> <http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Rootkit-infects-Linux-web-servers-1753969.html>

Same error.  Same bad reporting.

The rootkit (as always) cannot be installed without using other means
entirely to break into a Web server.  If random strangers have the
ability to break into your Web server and steal root-user authority,
then you have _much_ bigger problems than rootkits.

Article notes that any Web server broken into by such criminals --
through means other than the rootkit -- tend to install Web pages that 
probe visiting Web-browsing users' Web browsers for the usual grab-bag
of canned exploits against notoriously buggy helper apps (Adobe Flash
and Oracle Java being listed).

If in 2012 you are still running a Web browser willing to run arbitrary
Javascript, Java applets, and Flash animations off the Internet,
especially using the aforementioned bugware helper apps, you have huge
problems and ought to stop doing that.

I covered such matters in my Feb. 2011 lecture 'The Wild, Wild Web: Web
Browser Security, Performance, and Privacy', whose lecture notes and
slides you'll find linked from http://www.svlug.org/ .  About the only 
thing that's happened since then is that Adobe Flash, Adobe Acroread,
and Sun/Oracle Java have been even more clearly exposed as unsafe to 
handle general Internet content, and NoScript has become even more
essential.





From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Nov 26 13:43:15 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:43:15 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday. December 2, 2012
Message-ID: <50B3E273.60805@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     The previous meeting has been discussed by other parties.
but basically at the last meeting Alex K. showed up and Jim
Stockford.   I showed them the PCLinux OS Full Monte version
and found the trick to getting the open folders off the main
screen.  Not sure their is a way around the other features but
it seems to be a standard 32 bit implementation with KDE
4.8.3, including a full set of the best tools including Kate
and VLC.
     Jim and Alex discussed a programming problem and studied
there manuals as I played with my Full Monte.

     People keep asking why I look at a wide variety of distributions
but keep on using the same OS.   And I simply enjoy looking at
what other people have done with the work using almost always
the same basic programs and kernels.  If we go into 2013 without
  Mandriva PowerPack 2012 in an acceptable package then
I might switch to Kubuntu or to PCLinux OS.

     Bobbie Sellers




From einfeldt at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:44:46 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:44:46 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] A Ubuntu-themed necklace for "Giving Tuesday"
Message-ID: <CAJdae4pC5b8+GfChaZ--1CNyWfghqj88suvCLY4qpj5PDjR4Ng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

You can help put Ubuntu GNU-Linux computers into public schools by
purchasing Ubuntu-themed earrings or a Ubuntu-themed necklace on "Giving
Tueday":

http://blog.partimus.org/?p=425

Wearing a Ubuntu necklace or earrings is a nice way to get a conversation
started with newbies about why you love free open source software.
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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 27 20:49:27 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:49:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1354078167.82206.YahooMailRC@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday 
evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Nov 28 07:58:51 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:58:51 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Video of booting with UEFI Secure Boot
	enabled/Disabled
In-Reply-To: <pan.2012.11.28.11.48.25.251893@nomail.afraid.org>
References: <pan.2012.11.28.11.48.25.251893@nomail.afraid.org>
Message-ID: <50B634BB.7070601@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGgers,
	The machine in these demos is a late model
Lenovo laptop or notebook.  On the earlier boot
demo with Secure Boot enabled we are shown Ubuntu
12.10 and Windows 8.

     And he has another video with secure boot disabled.
     <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb_Q3IggnX8&feature=relmfu>

	Best thing about disabling Secure Boot is that
Windows 8 will not run.

     Thanks to Maurice Batey.

     bliss

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Video of booting with UEFI Secure Boot enabled
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:48:25 +0000
From: Maurice Batey <maurice at nomail.afraid.org>
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mandriva

    <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PyOYsQmetQ>

Pity no mention of *disabling* Secure Boot!



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Wed Nov 28 16:51:43 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:51:43 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Debian install on UEFI on Lenovo IdeaPad 500
Message-ID: <50B6B19F.3050706@dslextreme.com>


     This is pretty informative.
<http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694388>

     Note that the user had to find an online User Guide to
enter the setup of the UEFI so that Secure Boot could be disabled.

     bliss

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From pmpope at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 11:07:53 2012
From: pmpope at gmail.com (Philip Pope)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [sf-lug] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
Message-ID: <1492996994.3726791.1354216073687.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2311.prod>

LinkedIn
------------



I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Philip

Philip Pope
Administrator/Consultant at 3dge D8t8 Range USA
Charlotte, North Carolina Area

Confirm that you know Philip Pope:
https://www.linkedin.com/e/r9cvgl-ha49a9xt-2p/isd/9823579362/618SYHR6/?hs=false&tok=2PViUoMtkrplw1

--
You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Click to unsubscribe:
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Nov 29 11:59:29 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:59:29 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] LinkedIn spam
In-Reply-To: <1492996994.3726791.1354216073687.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2311.prod>
References: <1492996994.3726791.1354216073687.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2311.prod>
Message-ID: <20121129195929.GN2744@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Philip Pope (pmpope at gmail.com):

> LinkedIn
> ------------
> 
> 
> 
> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

I've put in yet another filter to attempt to autoreject this sort of
hapless bullshit.


The way this happens is:  Someone like Philip Pope signs up for an
account with LinkedIn and furnishes his/her GMail or similar credentials
_to_ LinkedIn, is asked something like 'Would you like us to connect you
with your contacts?', and unwarily hits to 'OK' box.

What then happens is that the LinkedIn software datamines the user's
GMail (or similar) account for all known e-mail addresses
indiscriminately, and sends them ALL canned 'invitation' notices forged
to claim to be from the user.  The user often assumes that he/she will
be 'connected' only to other LinkedIn users -- but, no, LinkedIn is
using the opportunity to mass-mail as many addresses as possible in
order to carpet the planet with marketing.  It's like if Herbalife
had branched out and became a spamhaus.

You'd think after nine years of this, people would learn better, but
there's always someone new to fall for the ploy -- and mailing lists are
among the collateral damange just about every time it does.

The default come-on used to be 'Subject:  [name] wants to stay in touch
on LinkedIn', but I'm guessing that's been so widely filtered by now
that they changed it to 'Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn'
just to evade antispam controls.


-- Rick M.
(wearing his site-operator hat)



From grantbow at ubuntu.com  Sun Dec  2 12:51:33 2012
From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:51:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu IRC meeting tonight, Sun Dec 2 at 7PM
Message-ID: <9f94355b-fef6-4331-b3da-b92f57aa776c@email.android.com>

For those that are not yet aware we have online meetings every other Sun night and post our transcripts. We had a very productive meeting last time. There is no other requirement to participate than using the web page below or an IRC client to connect. I hope some new people will join us tonight.

Happy Holidays,

Grant



-------- Original Message --------
From: Elizabeth Krumbach <lyz at ubuntu.com>
Sent: Sun Dec 02 11:35:53 PST 2012
To: Ubuntu US California <ubuntu-us-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Meeting tonight, Sunday December 2 at 7PM

Hi everyone,

Tonight, Sunday December 2nd, we're having our regularly scheduled
bi-weekly LoCo meeting at 7pm PT in #ubuntu-us-ca on irc.freenode.net

For help connecting to IRC with a client, see:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat

Or simply join us via your web browser by going
here:http://ubuntu-california.org/chat/

We don't currently have anything on the agenda, but as always if you
have event ideas, projects you wish to talk about or other
announcements, you're welcome to join us and share.

The meeting page is available here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12December02

And as always, logs will be available after the meeting and you're
welcome to add your comments here on the mailing list if you're unable
to attend.

-- 
Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2
http://www.princessleia.com

-- 
Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list
Ubuntu-us-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Dec  2 14:08:40 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:08:40 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting today!
Message-ID: <50BBD168.7090409@dslextreme.com>

Hi LUGers,

     Well only 3 people attended but I think we had a
good time.
     Ken brought his Chumby along but John S. did not
show up today to see it, so Ken & his wife left the meeting
  about 12 Noon.
     By the way, Ken, Lx has a Chumby too and is interested
in how your Chumby is set up.
    Lx Rudis had contacted me and said he would be by
so I hung in there and he showed about 12:25.  I was
able to show him a bit of the PCLInux OS 2012 FullMonty
distribution and gave him a copy of same and of Kubuntu
12.04 LTS to help him decide on his next installation.
     At 1 PM I was out and caught the bus home.

     Jim S. was busy with family affairs but paid for my taxi
ride to the meeting.

     Bobbie Sellers


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From nbs at sonic.net  Sun Dec  2 15:43:43 2012
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:43:43 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, December 17: "'WidgetFX',
	a JavaFX-based widget platform"
Message-ID: <201212022343.qB2NhhAI026770@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  December 18, 2012
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:

  "'WidgetFX', a JavaFX-based widget platform"
  Stephen Chin, Lead Developer, WidgetFX and JFXtras
  and co-author of "Pro JavaFX Plarform"

  WidgetFX is a desktop widget platform written in the JavaFX Script language.
  It can run widgets written in either JavaFX Script or Java and takes
  advantage of the latest features in Java SE 6.

  Note: Since first scheduling this talk for LUGOD, JavaFX 2 has been
  released, which will require a rewrite of WidgetFX.  Stephen will discuss
  what has changed in JavaFX, and what's needed to get WidgetFX ported,
  and how others can help.


This meeting will be held at:

  Yolo County Library, Mary L. Stephen's Davis Branch
  Blanchard Community Room
  315 East 14th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/upcoming/#next

or simply:

  http://www.lugod.org/ (and follow the links)


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can find LUGOD on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From lx_rudis at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec  2 18:16:18 2012
From: lx_rudis at sbcglobal.net (Lx Rudis)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:16:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting today!
In-Reply-To: <50BBD168.7090409@dslextreme.com>
References: <50BBD168.7090409@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1354500978.6689.YahooMailRC@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi there...


>    By the way, Ken, Lx has a Chumby too and is interested
>   in how your Chumby is set up.

yes, it's one of the original beanbag chumby units.   i'll bring it with me to 
the next meeting.

> distribution and gave him a copy of same and of Kubuntu

Thank You!  much less of a hassle than downloading, given my sad slow connection 
here.
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 18:47:30 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:47:30 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
Message-ID: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am looking for a provider for home Internet.  I use GNU-Linux, so I would
like to get a recommendation for a provider that works well with Linux.  I
might well also need voice communications as well, but I am most certainly
NOT going to need or want cable or Uverse or x-Finity or any of those other
entertainment packages.  Thanks!
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 18:48:05 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:48:05 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJdae4o2SrcWPsZ3OE+2Oa_bPxq9HhMuLOyEdJr080jjHPEbPA@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, I forgot to mention that I am in San Francisco near Japantown.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a provider for home Internet.  I use GNU-Linux, so I
> would like to get a recommendation for a provider that works well with
> Linux.  I might well also need voice communications as well, but I am most
> certainly NOT going to need or want cable or Uverse or x-Finity or any of
> those other entertainment packages.  Thanks!
>
>
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From jasonstone at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 18:55:26 2012
From: jasonstone at gmail.com (jason stone)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:55:26 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
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Hi Christian

I've been a big fan of Sonic (http://www.sonic.net/).  They're local,
their tech support is local and knowledgeable and I've never had any
noticeable downtown over the years that I've been a customer.
They are geek friendly and have also been recognized by EFF for their
policies on privacy:
http://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2012/05/31/sonic-net-privacy-policies-recognized-by-the-eff/



On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, I forgot to mention that I am in San Francisco near Japantown.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am looking for a provider for home Internet.  I use GNU-Linux, so I
>> would like to get a recommendation for a provider that works well with
>> Linux.  I might well also need voice communications as well, but I am most
>> certainly NOT going to need or want cable or Uverse or x-Finity or any of
>> those other entertainment packages.  Thanks!
>>
>
>
>
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 18:58:22 2012
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 18:58:22 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50BC154E.2000903@gmail.com>

Every time I or others ask this question, Sonic comes out on top. 
Extremely linux friendly. I've even had email with the founder about 
this; can't remember the context, but he replied to a query on a mailing 
list such as this one. He might even be here!

If I could switch, I'd switch to Sonic in a heartbeat.

Michael


On 12/02/2012 06:47 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a provider for home Internet.  I use GNU-Linux, so I would
> like to get a recommendation for a provider that works well with Linux.  I
> might well also need voice communications as well, but I am most certainly
> NOT going to need or want cable or Uverse or x-Finity or any of those other
> entertainment packages.  Thanks!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



From alchaiken at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 19:08:11 2012
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:08:11 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
Message-ID: <CAKoGHGUn8oy7zMHXh4ysCUBwFHYUposyLYgf0knTyMeXGTxKLA@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for sonic: excellent customer support for Linux and pro-consumer
policies.   Recently sonic sent a technician from Sonoma to fix a
problem I had.    They are partnering with Google to bring fiber the
last mile, and if you're lucky, you might win that lottery.   I have
been a sonic customer for years and have nothing but good experiences
to report except for one thing:

chaiken at bolt ;-) uname -a
Linux bolt.sonic.net 2.4.37.5 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 10:15:36 PDT 2009 i686 unknown
chaiken at bolt ;-) uptime
 19:07:50 up 432 days,  7:56, 44 users,  load average: 0.85, 0.80, 0.78

That's the shell account they provide me with, which works pretty well
given that it's *2.4.37*!

-- 
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)                       {she-devel.com,
exerciseforthereader.org}
>From what I've known of desire, I hold with those who favor fire.



From grantbow at ubuntu.com  Sun Dec  2 19:26:27 2012
From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:26:27 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Updates on Hayes Valley & St. Anthony?
Message-ID: <CA+aHvNqR5YLPN9-dmr+RwTGa0Rj9H5Pur=kHRcByZy=h4zG1YQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am curious reading on http://sf-lug.com about some projects I have
helped in the past. How are they doing now?

    * Help the Hayes Valley Community Center teaching facility

    * Support Saint Anthony's quarterly community computer support fests
      http://www.stanthonysf.org/?q=services/tenderloin-tech-lab

Thank you,

Grant



From penguin at techbandit.com  Sun Dec  2 19:42:08 2012
From: penguin at techbandit.com (Romel Jacinto)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:42:08 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
In-Reply-To: <CACAKMwwbmaZT3CiyG_+5a6aUDuO0kQn21jarJ9rDzp7LeQLOaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJdae4o2SrcWPsZ3OE+2Oa_bPxq9HhMuLOyEdJr080jjHPEbPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAKMwwbmaZT3CiyG_+5a6aUDuO0kQn21jarJ9rDzp7LeQLOaQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I've been using Sonic.net for 3.5 years and have been quite happy with 
them. However there are a few things you should be aware of.

1. Sonic is focused on their Fusion service, voice + broadband.
Legacy DSL (DSL on AT&T phone lines) is only available if your location 
doesn't qualify for Fusion.
Reference:
https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500

2. Modem rental is mandatory. There is no option to purchase a modem.
Long thread here:
https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838

3. Fusion voice - Call Forward No Answer is not available. Regular call 
forwarding is available.
This feature allows the phone to ring at home and if not answered within 
a number of rings, will forward to another line. It's great for 
"follow-me calling".
Reference:
https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/Call_Forwarding

4. Ported numbers to Sonic remain listed or unlisted as they were prior 
to porting.
In other words if you're porting a number over make sure it's listed or 
unlisted BEFORE you port.
New numbers are unlisted.
Reference:
https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=5813#p288

That said I'm happily using their Legacy DSL and am hoping that their 
features with Fusion will continue to evolve and at some point will 
switch over.

-- 
Romel



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 19:46:52 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:46:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
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Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread.  What can I expect to pay
for Data only with Sonic.net?  For data + voice?  Thanks again.

Also, I am concerned about the fact that the customer must rent a modem
from Sonic.net, and cannot buy it outright.  Seems like a waste over the
life of the modem, and a hidden cost.  Any thoughts?

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Romel Jacinto <penguin at techbandit.com>wrote:

> I've been using Sonic.net for 3.5 years and have been quite happy with
> them. However there are a few things you should be aware of.
>
> 1. Sonic is focused on their Fusion service, voice + broadband.
> Legacy DSL (DSL on AT&T phone lines) is only available if your location
> doesn't qualify for Fusion.
> Reference:
> https://forums.sonic.net/**viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500<https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500>
>
> 2. Modem rental is mandatory. There is no option to purchase a modem.
> Long thread here:
> https://forums.sonic.net/**viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838<https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838>
>
> 3. Fusion voice - Call Forward No Answer is not available. Regular call
> forwarding is available.
> This feature allows the phone to ring at home and if not answered within a
> number of rings, will forward to another line. It's great for "follow-me
> calling".
> Reference:
> https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/**Call_Forwarding<https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/Call_Forwarding>
>
> 4. Ported numbers to Sonic remain listed or unlisted as they were prior to
> porting.
> In other words if you're porting a number over make sure it's listed or
> unlisted BEFORE you port.
> New numbers are unlisted.
> Reference:
> https://forums.sonic.net/**viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=**5813#p288<https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=5813#p288>
>
> That said I'm happily using their Legacy DSL and am hoping that their
> features with Fusion will continue to evolve and at some point will switch
> over.
>
> --
> Romel
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sun Dec  2 19:59:26 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:59:26 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
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On 12/02/2012 07:46 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread.  What can I expect to pay
> for Data only with Sonic.net?  For data + voice?  Thanks again.
>
> Also, I am concerned about the fact that the customer must rent a modem
> from Sonic.net, and cannot buy it outright.  Seems like a waste over the
> life of the modem, and a hidden cost.  Any thoughts?

     Maybe it is a special modem but I am using a second hand ADSL Netgear
modem/router/firewall which I found in one or another Goodwill store.
     Of course I am using not Sonic.net but DSLExteme.com.
     The Computer Central shop on Howard had modem/router combos
a few weeks back at about $40.

     Bobbie Sellers


>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Romel Jacinto<penguin at techbandit.com>wrote:
>
>> I've been using Sonic.net for 3.5 years and have been quite happy with
>> them. However there are a few things you should be aware of.
>>
>> 1. Sonic is focused on their Fusion service, voice + broadband.
>> Legacy DSL (DSL on AT&T phone lines) is only available if your location
>> doesn't qualify for Fusion.
>> Reference:
>> https://forums.sonic.net/**viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500<https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500>
>>
>> 2. Modem rental is mandatory. There is no option to purchase a modem.
>> Long thread here:
>> https://forums.sonic.net/**viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838<https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838>
>>
>> 3. Fusion voice - Call Forward No Answer is not available. Regular call
>> forwarding is available.
>> This feature allows the phone to ring at home and if not answered within a
>> number of rings, will forward to another line. It's great for "follow-me
>> calling".
>> Reference:
>> https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/**Call_Forwarding<https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/Call_Forwarding>
>>
>> 4. Ported numbers to Sonic remain listed or unlisted as they were prior to
>> porting.
>> In other words if you're porting a number over make sure it's listed or
>> unlisted BEFORE you port.
>> New numbers are unlisted.
>> Reference:
>> https://forums.sonic.net/**viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=**5813#p288<https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=5813#p288>
>>
>> That said I'm happily using their Legacy DSL and am hoping that their
>> features with Fusion will continue to evolve and at some point will switch
>> over.
>>
>> --
>> Romel
>>
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
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>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>
>
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From penguin at techbandit.com  Sun Dec  2 20:03:20 2012
From: penguin at techbandit.com (Romel Jacinto)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:03:20 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4qRaL-2ZB2XP4d_iaU-L47UqNqTHcp=VO4aL2EHy8nrjg@mail.gmail.com>
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Fusion (Data+voice) = Approx $40

Modem rental = $6.5

Taxes = Approx $13
Taxes are dependent on city:
http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/taxesfees

Total = Approx $60/month

I think that modem purchase should be an option and have expressed that 
opinion to Sonic.

--
Romel

On 12/02/2012 07:46 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread.  What can I expect to pay
> for Data only with Sonic.net?  For data + voice?  Thanks again.
>
> Also, I am concerned about the fact that the customer must rent a modem
> from Sonic.net, and cannot buy it outright.  Seems like a waste over the
> life of the modem, and a hidden cost.  Any thoughts?
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Romel Jacinto <penguin at techbandit.com
> <mailto:penguin at techbandit.com>> wrote:
>
>     I've been using Sonic.net for 3.5 years and have been quite happy
>     with them. However there are a few things you should be aware of.
>
>     1. Sonic is focused on their Fusion service, voice + broadband.
>     Legacy DSL (DSL on AT&T phone lines) is only available if your
>     location doesn't qualify for Fusion.
>     Reference:
>     https://forums.sonic.net/__viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500
>     <https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500>
>
>     2. Modem rental is mandatory. There is no option to purchase a modem.
>     Long thread here:
>     https://forums.sonic.net/__viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838
>     <https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838>
>
>     3. Fusion voice - Call Forward No Answer is not available. Regular
>     call forwarding is available.
>     This feature allows the phone to ring at home and if not answered
>     within a number of rings, will forward to another line. It's great
>     for "follow-me calling".
>     Reference:
>     https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/__Call_Forwarding
>     <https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/Call_Forwarding>
>
>     4. Ported numbers to Sonic remain listed or unlisted as they were
>     prior to porting.
>     In other words if you're porting a number over make sure it's listed
>     or unlisted BEFORE you port.
>     New numbers are unlisted.
>     Reference:
>     https://forums.sonic.net/__viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=__5813#p288
>     <https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=5813#p288>
>
>     That said I'm happily using their Legacy DSL and am hoping that
>     their features with Fusion will continue to evolve and at some point
>     will switch over.
>
>     --
>     Romel
>
>
>     _________________________________________________
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>     <http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug>
>     Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
>
>




From alchaiken at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 22:25:02 2012
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 22:25:02 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Sonic and modems
Message-ID: <CAKoGHGX+Xg2f5v4hr0oP_REobesxTqqCwNL4YEe2oSHJD-gDZg@mail.gmail.com>

I am using a purchased DSL modem with Sonic, but I have the Fusion
service.   I used a purchased modem when I had just DSL too.
Perhaps the deal varies depending on where the customer lives?

-- 
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)                       {she-devel.com,
exerciseforthereader.org}
>From what I've known of desire, I hold with those who favor fire.



From penguin at techbandit.com  Mon Dec  3 06:46:07 2012
From: penguin at techbandit.com (Romel Jacinto)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 06:46:07 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Sonic and modems
In-Reply-To: <CAKoGHGX+Xg2f5v4hr0oP_REobesxTqqCwNL4YEe2oSHJD-gDZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKoGHGX+Xg2f5v4hr0oP_REobesxTqqCwNL4YEe2oSHJD-gDZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50BCBB2F.5010903@techbandit.com>

On 12/02/2012 10:25 PM, Alison Chaiken wrote:
> I am using a purchased DSL modem with Sonic, but I have the Fusion
> service.   I used a purchased modem when I had just DSL too.
> Perhaps the deal varies depending on where the customer lives?
>

Perhaps you were grandfathered in under a previous Sonic policy. I asked 
them about modem rental in October and received this reply:

"Things have changed a bit over the course of the short life of our 
modem rental program so far, but the current policy is: upgrading from 
Legacy DSL to Fusion requires that you rent the modem."

--
Romel



From tedski at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 06:50:32 2012
From: tedski at gmail.com (Ted Strzalkowski)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 06:50:32 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
In-Reply-To: <50BC2488.3080800@techbandit.com>
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	<CACAKMwwbmaZT3CiyG_+5a6aUDuO0kQn21jarJ9rDzp7LeQLOaQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm also a Sonic customer and have been very happy with them over the past
3.5 years.  The modem rental is required, the use of their modem is not
required.  You can no longer get a dry pair (just data, no voice) from
Sonic, therefore the taxes are unavoidable regardless if you will use the
voice service.

This goes without saying with any DSL provider, but check your wire
distance from the CO.  It will greatly affect whether you get 2 mbps or 20
mbps.

Ted


On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Romel Jacinto <penguin at techbandit.com>wrote:

> Fusion (Data+voice) = Approx $40
>
> Modem rental = $6.5
>
> Taxes = Approx $13
> Taxes are dependent on city:
> http://sonic.net/solutions/**home/internet/fusion/taxesfees<http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/taxesfees>
>
> Total = Approx $60/month
>
> I think that modem purchase should be an option and have expressed that
> opinion to Sonic.
>
> --
> Romel
>
>
> On 12/02/2012 07:46 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
>
>> Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread.  What can I expect to pay
>> for Data only with Sonic.net?  For data + voice?  Thanks again.
>>
>> Also, I am concerned about the fact that the customer must rent a modem
>> from Sonic.net, and cannot buy it outright.  Seems like a waste over the
>> life of the modem, and a hidden cost.  Any thoughts?
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Romel Jacinto <penguin at techbandit.com
>> <mailto:penguin at techbandit.com**>> wrote:
>>
>>     I've been using Sonic.net for 3.5 years and have been quite happy
>>     with them. However there are a few things you should be aware of.
>>
>>     1. Sonic is focused on their Fusion service, voice + broadband.
>>     Legacy DSL (DSL on AT&T phone lines) is only available if your
>>     location doesn't qualify for Fusion.
>>     Reference:
>>     https://forums.sonic.net/__**viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500<https://forums.sonic.net/__viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500>
>>
>>     <https://forums.sonic.net/**viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500<https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=932#p5500>
>> >
>>
>>     2. Modem rental is mandatory. There is no option to purchase a modem.
>>     Long thread here:
>>     https://forums.sonic.net/__**viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838<https://forums.sonic.net/__viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838>
>>
>>     <https://forums.sonic.net/**viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838<https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=838>
>> >
>>
>>     3. Fusion voice - Call Forward No Answer is not available. Regular
>>     call forwarding is available.
>>     This feature allows the phone to ring at home and if not answered
>>     within a number of rings, will forward to another line. It's great
>>     for "follow-me calling".
>>     Reference:
>>     https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/__**Call_Forwarding<https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/__Call_Forwarding>
>>
>>     <https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/**Call_Forwarding<https://wiki.sonic.net/wiki/Call_Forwarding>
>> >
>>
>>     4. Ported numbers to Sonic remain listed or unlisted as they were
>>     prior to porting.
>>     In other words if you're porting a number over make sure it's listed
>>     or unlisted BEFORE you port.
>>     New numbers are unlisted.
>>     Reference:
>>     https://forums.sonic.net/__**viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=__**5813#p288<https://forums.sonic.net/__viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=__5813#p288>
>>
>>     <https://forums.sonic.net/**viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=**5813#p288<https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46&p=5813#p288>
>> >
>>
>>     That said I'm happily using their Legacy DSL and am hoping that
>>     their features with Fusion will continue to evolve and at some point
>>     will switch over.
>>
>>     --
>>     Romel
>>
>>
>>     ______________________________**___________________
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>>
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 14:32:07 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:32:07 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
In-Reply-To: <CAOTOiAONH=mRSAter=oCRTG+BuBcaQBTr_-J7m9QfyhstYQ=Xw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJdae4o2SrcWPsZ3OE+2Oa_bPxq9HhMuLOyEdJr080jjHPEbPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAKMwwbmaZT3CiyG_+5a6aUDuO0kQn21jarJ9rDzp7LeQLOaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC1F90.1000204@techbandit.com>
	<CAJdae4qRaL-2ZB2XP4d_iaU-L47UqNqTHcp=VO4aL2EHy8nrjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC2488.3080800@techbandit.com>
	<CAOTOiAONH=mRSAter=oCRTG+BuBcaQBTr_-J7m9QfyhstYQ=Xw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJdae4pfqdo0JFLz2W_evcQLBuE6GXsQ0L3zpDc1+HqD5B5Pmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks for your reply...

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Ted Strzalkowski <tedski at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> This goes without saying with any DSL provider, but check your wire
> distance from the CO.  It will greatly affect whether you get 2 mbps or 20
> mbps.
>

What does CO stand for.  Center Office?
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Dec  3 14:41:08 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:41:08 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4pfqdo0JFLz2W_evcQLBuE6GXsQ0L3zpDc1+HqD5B5Pmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJdae4o2SrcWPsZ3OE+2Oa_bPxq9HhMuLOyEdJr080jjHPEbPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAKMwwbmaZT3CiyG_+5a6aUDuO0kQn21jarJ9rDzp7LeQLOaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC1F90.1000204@techbandit.com>
	<CAJdae4qRaL-2ZB2XP4d_iaU-L47UqNqTHcp=VO4aL2EHy8nrjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC2488.3080800@techbandit.com>
	<CAOTOiAONH=mRSAter=oCRTG+BuBcaQBTr_-J7m9QfyhstYQ=Xw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20121203224108.GG2744@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com):

> What does CO stand for.  Center Office?

In _this_ context, Central Office.  Also known as local exchange.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/ilec2.htm

(Honestly, you couldn't have Web-searched?)

In other contexts, CO stands for:

Columbia.
County.
Company.
Carbon Monoxide.
Como, Lombardia, Italia.
Colorado.
Chesapeake and Ohio Railway.
Commissioned Officer.
Continental Airlines.
Certificate of Origin.
Corsican language, ISO 639 alpha-1.
Cerificate of Occupancy.

and my very favourite:
Chemins de fer Orientaux.

-- 
Cheers,      Nothing's hotter than having a copyeditor correct your sex scenes.
Rick Moen                                                       -- Max Barry
rick at linuxmafia.com
McQ! (4x80)



From chezbut at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 18:17:48 2012
From: chezbut at gmail.com (Zach Hanna)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:17:48 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Sonic and modems
In-Reply-To: <50BCBB2F.5010903@techbandit.com>
References: <CAKoGHGX+Xg2f5v4hr0oP_REobesxTqqCwNL4YEe2oSHJD-gDZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BCBB2F.5010903@techbandit.com>
Message-ID: <CAAv0QeSnpXR9_9CN2DEf=DX5=GoiFpNHE4q7xBUZCdZ1vRy5xw@mail.gmail.com>

I rented a fusion modem from them when I had fusion service and it went
pretty well.
I think part of the reason they rent them is because they are hard to find
(for bonded service) elsewhere. Buying a single line ADSL2 modem at retail
is not hard, but getting one that does channel bonding (not to mention
setting it up) is harder.


On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Romel Jacinto <penguin at techbandit.com>wrote:

> On 12/02/2012 10:25 PM, Alison Chaiken wrote:
>
>> I am using a purchased DSL modem with Sonic, but I have the Fusion
>> service.   I used a purchased modem when I had just DSL too.
>> Perhaps the deal varies depending on where the customer lives?
>>
>>
> Perhaps you were grandfathered in under a previous Sonic policy. I asked
> them about modem rental in October and received this reply:
>
> "Things have changed a bit over the course of the short life of our modem
> rental program so far, but the current policy is: upgrading from Legacy DSL
> to Fusion requires that you rent the modem."
>
> --
> Romel
>
>
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From wellmanron at gmail.com  Tue Dec  4 14:16:23 2012
From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:16:23 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet (Rick Moen)
Message-ID: <CAH_p_2pi-UyT5iJf3rCrD0OSPwysNRn4r+L-GfRk4kENfausKw@mail.gmail.com>

Rick, do you mean 'Colombia'? British Columbia is known as 'BC; District of
Columbia is 'DC'.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Re: Recommendations for home Internet (Rick Moen)
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Dec  4 15:22:58 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:22:58 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) [svlug-announce] SVLUG Dec. 5th meeting: Rick Moen
 on Real-World Linux Security
Message-ID: <20121204232258.GZ2744@linuxmafia.com>


A little birdie told me that there are slides (ODF and PDF) and lecture
notes downloadable already on the www.svlug.org front page.

----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> -----

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:11:58 -0800
From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
To: svlug-announce at lists.svlug.org
Subject: [svlug-announce] SVLUG Dec. 5th meeting: Rick Moen on Real-World
	Linux Security


WHEN:

   Wednesday, Dec. 5th, 2012 
   7pm-9pm


MAIN PRESENTATION

  TOPIC: Real-World Linux Security
    

  PRESENTED BY:
    Rick Moen,
    recovering sysadmin

  TOPIC SUMMARY:
    Ever wanted to have a gentle, novice-friendly introduction to Linux
    security?  This is your chance.  Speaker Rick Moen is going to start 
    from novice levels only, and give a general and pragmatic guide to 
    Linux security primarily for desktop and casual users who nonetheless 
    would like to have a decent grasp of the basics. 


  ABOUT THE PRESENTER:
    Rick Moen (http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/) is  longtime senior system
    administrator and member of SVLUG's Web Team, who also runs nearby
    Linux user group CABAL (http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/), meeting at
    his and his wife's house in West Menlo Park, and has been fooling
    with various Unixes since the 1980s.  Having formerly been a technical
    employee at several Linux firms (Linuxcare, VA Linux Systems, and
    California Digital Corp.) during decades past, he stresses that it's 
    not his fault and he has an alibi. 


  LOCATION:

    Symantec
    VCAFE Facility
    350 Ellis Street (near E. Middlefield Road)
    Mountain View, CA 94043

    Directions on how to get there are listed at:

    http://www.svlug.org/directions/veritas.php

  We've tried our very best for these directions to be accurate.
  If you have any improvements to make, please let SVLUG's volunteers know!
  webmaster at svlug.org

POST-MEETING GATHERING:

  If you just can't get enough, a smaller group usually goes to a local
  restaurant/diner after the meeting:  Frankie, Johnnie & Luigi, Too,
  939 West El Camino Real between Shoreline and Castro, Mountain View.

We look forward to seeing you there!



_______________________________________________
svlug-announce mailing list
svlug-announce at lists.svlug.org
http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/svlug-announce

----- End forwarded message -----



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Dec  4 15:26:31 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:26:31 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet (Rick Moen)
In-Reply-To: <CAH_p_2pi-UyT5iJf3rCrD0OSPwysNRn4r+L-GfRk4kENfausKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH_p_2pi-UyT5iJf3rCrD0OSPwysNRn4r+L-GfRk4kENfausKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121204232631.GB2744@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting ron wellman (wellmanron at gmail.com):

> Rick, do you mean 'Colombia'? British Columbia is known as 'BC; District of
> Columbia is 'DC'.

You win!  Something.  ;->

(When I'm on as little sleep as I was then, it's a wonder I could type
anything at all.)




From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 09:08:03 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:08:03 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations for home Internet
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4q4N4kdHJk7XLBtJgeN=V9E7MXS22f9zrimtqSVEgZUpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFFVrqq4m2+M6_DqHzJae1hxCMwa2L0OJBFD-L8hi1BSYg@mail.gmail.com>

Another item maybe of interest to some readers is the subsidized Comcast
service for households with a child enrolled in the Federal School Lunch
program for free or reduced cost lunches.  The service is $9.95/mo, no
rental charge, and even offers a $149 PC.  Look at
internetessentials.comfor more information.
Ken



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From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  5 11:56:25 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:56:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1354737385.65872.YahooMailRC@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday 
evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph




From jim at systemateka.com  Sat Dec  8 18:17:26 2012
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:17:26 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, San Francisco, $120K to $130K plus
Message-ID: <1355019446.1807.47.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


Sr. Systems Engineer - $120-130k base + bonus + stock options

KIXEYE is looking for a few good Systems Engineers to help us scale our
social gaming platform to even larger sizes. We?re growing quickly, and
we?re in need of extra hands to help us scale to the hundreds or
thousands of machines that we?ll be running to keep our games the
fastest and most reliable for our customer base. We?re based in San
Francisco, and we prefer candidates who are able to be in the office for
the intense and complex interactions with the development, operations,
and customer service staff who will be working in close cooperation to
help us succeed.
 
What you get to do every day:
Manage and monitor hundreds of UNIX systems, and deploy new systems to
add to the army
      * Maintain security, backups, and redundancy strategies to ensure
gameplay continuity in the face of man-made attacks and normal
hardware/network failures
      * Write and maintain custom scripts to increase system efficiency
and lower the human intervention time on any tasks
      * Monitor and test application performance for potential
bottlenecks, identify possible solutions, and work with developers to
implement those fixes
      * Ensure projects move to production smoothly, create/assign
issues to developers for issues that do occur in deployment
      * Help maintain our application cluster through capacity planning
and monitoring with application of updates when needed
      * The ideal candidate is:
Obsessive-compulsive about knowing their stuff
      * Completely fascinated with the concept of running machines and
systems that serve millions of users
      * Personally invested in the systems that they build
      * From a background in large database or gaming systems or similar
markets
      * What you bring to the role:
Bachelor?s degree or a very convincing list of work that is relevant
      * Wizard-level with CentOS/RHEL and/or Ubuntu/Debian systems
      * Extensive knowledge of RAID hardware/software and
high-reliability, high-throughput filesystems
      * Configuration and debugging experience with the following
software: Linux-HA, PHP, NGNIX, Apache, MySQL, memcached, Nagios/Munin
      * Extensive skills with automation via scripting language (Perl,
Ruby, shell scripts ? your choice)
      * It would be great (but not mandatory) if you?
Have Solaris experience (we?re always experimenting)
      * Have more than a basic understanding of Cisco or Juniper
configuration, switching & VLAN design
      * Were a developer on a relevant open-source platform of some type
      * Were a coder in C, C++, Java, or other higher-layer language for
those really tough problems
      * Your should?
Not be afraid of identifying potential problems and creating solutions ?
we?re all really busy here, so you?ll be expected to be self-starting.
      * Work well with others ? it?s a small team of very talented
people, and if you have a history of conflict with your co-workers or
managers, this isn?t the place to extend that track record
      * Have the ability to multi-task. Balancing a penchant for
perfectionism with the practical issues of managing many simultaneous
projects is a rare skill ? do you have it?
      * Have excellent communications skills. Your documentation habits
are legendary. You speak concisely and are unafraid from voicing your
opinions in a constructive way in a group.
      * Be willing to put the extra effort in to make things happen.
Some days (and nights) will involve long hours solving problems, or
rolling out new games, and despite the pressure to perform there is a
high level of pride in our work.
      * 

Chris Middlemass
Senior Technical Recruiter | KIXEYE 
cmiddlemass at kixeye.com |  415-400-8280





From jim at systemateka.com  Sat Dec  8 18:18:48 2012
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:18:48 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SITE RELIABILITY ENGINEER, San Francisco, $80K to $90K plus
Message-ID: <1355019528.1807.49.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


Site Reliability Engineer - $80-95k base +bonus + stock options

KIXEYE is looking for great Linux engineers with troubleshooting ability
and people skills to work closely with Systems Engineers and Game teams
to improve game delivery and resolve unexpected
performance issues. The successful candidate must be excited to make a
difference in a high profile, creative environment with dynamic problems
to solve. They should not only have the ability to quickly remediate
problems, but the strong desire to develop processes which both improve
game performance
and prevent new issues.

What you get to do every day:
Troubleshoot and resolve new and unique problems without a predefined
solution
      * Work with multiple teams to resolve game issues that affect our
customers.
      * Coordinate with key stakeholders to realize performance
improvements
      * Be exposed to a wide variety of new technologies at scale
      * What you bring to the role:
A positive, can-do attitude
      * Prior operations experience, with a strong Linux generalist
background
      * Strong TCP/IP networking ability
      * Command of server hardware architectures and strategies both
past and present
      * Experience with public-facing PHP/Java based environments, and
security best-practices
      * Demonstrated ability to write solid reports and the discipline
to document practices and process
      * Mentoring and communication of operations standards to
development teams
      * Bachelor?s degree or an extremely compelling list of relevant
excellence
      * 5+ years of sysadmin experience preferred
      *  
Would be nice to have:
Excellence with CentOS/RHEL and/or Ubuntu/Debian systems
      * Configuration and debugging experience with common LAMP stacks;
PHP, NGNIX, Apache, and memcached
      * Operational experience with MySQL, NoSQL, innodb, Mongo,
Percona, and/or ScaleArc
      * Monitoring and scripting experience with Nagios/opsview, Munin,
cacti, and/or Keynote
      * Relevant development on a relevant open-source platform of some
type
      * Prior NOC experience, game or application space, finance or web
services industries a major plus
      * Salary information below:

Chris Middlemass
Senior Technical Recruiter | KIXEYE 
cmiddlemass at kixeye.com |  415-400-8280

Site Reliability Engineer - $80-95k base +bonus + stock options

KIXEYE is looking for great Linux engineers with troubleshooting ability
and people skills to work closely with Systems Engineers and Game teams
to improve game delivery and resolve unexpected
performance issues. The successful candidate must be excited to make a
difference in a high profile, creative environment with dynamic problems
to solve. They should not only have the ability to quickly remediate
problems, but the strong desire to develop processes which both improve
game performance
and prevent new issues.

What you get to do every day:
Troubleshoot and resolve new and unique problems without a predefined
solution
      * Work with multiple teams to resolve game issues that affect our
customers.
      * Coordinate with key stakeholders to realize performance
improvements
      * Be exposed to a wide variety of new technologies at scale
      * What you bring to the role:
A positive, can-do attitude
      * Prior operations experience, with a strong Linux generalist
background
      * Strong TCP/IP networking ability
      * Command of server hardware architectures and strategies both
past and present
      * Experience with public-facing PHP/Java based environments, and
security best-practices
      * Demonstrated ability to write solid reports and the discipline
to document practices and process
      * Mentoring and communication of operations standards to
development teams
      * Bachelor?s degree or an extremely compelling list of relevant
excellence
      * 5+ years of sysadmin experience preferred
      *  
Would be nice to have:
Excellence with CentOS/RHEL and/or Ubuntu/Debian systems
      * Configuration and debugging experience with common LAMP stacks;
PHP, NGNIX, Apache, and memcached
      * Operational experience with MySQL, NoSQL, innodb, Mongo,
Percona, and/or ScaleArc
      * Monitoring and scripting experience with Nagios/opsview, Munin,
cacti, and/or Keynote
      * Relevant development on a relevant open-source platform of some
type
      * Prior NOC experience, game or application space, finance or web
services industries a major plus
      * Salary information below:

Chris Middlemass
Senior Technical Recruiter | KIXEYE 
cmiddlemass at kixeye.com |  415-400-8280






From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 10 13:40:09 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:40:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1355175609.6448.YahooMailRC@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday 
evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Tue Dec 11 17:45:47 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:45:47 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug next Monday December 17, 2012
Message-ID: <50C7E1CB.9010309@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     The meeting times are nominal and when interesting topics are
raised the meetings go on longer.  When few people show up the
meeting time may be cut short.

     I may be delayed next Monday due to earlier business but
will make every effort to be there.

        Bobbie Sellers




From webmaster at nebulon.de  Sat Dec 15 15:54:56 2012
From: webmaster at nebulon.de (Johannes Zellner)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:54:56 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Ping
Message-ID: <386e74f36af3f5ca3e8536e474e86b30@nebulon.de>

Hello!

Just found this list, is it still active (the website I found is rather 
stale?)?
Is there by any chance some event happening this weekend?

Thanks,
Johannes



From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Sat Dec 15 16:10:12 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:10:12 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Ping
In-Reply-To: <386e74f36af3f5ca3e8536e474e86b30@nebulon.de>
References: <386e74f36af3f5ca3e8536e474e86b30@nebulon.de>
Message-ID: <50CD1164.9060409@dslextreme.com>

On 12/15/2012 03:54 PM, Johannes Zellner wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Just found this list, is it still active (the website I found is 
> rather stale?)?
> Is there by any chance some event happening this weekend?
>
> Thanks,
> Johannes
>
         Not this weekend but on Monday SF-LUG will be meeting in
the eyeing from 6-8 PM at the Cafe Enchante at 26th and Geary
in San Francisco.

    If you read the old posts you may find more events happening
this week.

     Bobbie



From webmaster at nebulon.de  Sat Dec 15 16:23:22 2012
From: webmaster at nebulon.de (Johannes Zellner)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:23:22 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Ping
In-Reply-To: <50CD1164.9060409@dslextreme.com>
References: <386e74f36af3f5ca3e8536e474e86b30@nebulon.de>
	<50CD1164.9060409@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <99709594c02a240dda6982e314d468d5@nebulon.de>

On 2012-12-15 16:10, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 12/15/2012 03:54 PM, Johannes Zellner wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> Just found this list, is it still active (the website I found is 
>> rather stale?)?
>> Is there by any chance some event happening this weekend?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Johannes
>>
>         Not this weekend but on Monday SF-LUG will be meeting in
> the eyeing from 6-8 PM at the Cafe Enchante at 26th and Geary
> in San Francisco.
>
>    If you read the old posts you may find more events happening
> this week.
>
>     Bobbie

Thanks for the quick reply. Will readup the backlog.

Dont know, when I'll be back in the city after work on Monday, yet.

Johannes




From jim at well.com  Sat Dec 15 16:33:33 2012
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:33:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Ping
In-Reply-To: <99709594c02a240dda6982e314d468d5@nebulon.de>
References: <386e74f36af3f5ca3e8536e474e86b30@nebulon.de>
	<50CD1164.9060409@dslextreme.com>
	<99709594c02a240dda6982e314d468d5@nebulon.de>
Message-ID: <1355618013.1815.125.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    There's a weekly linux get-together scheduled at 
Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings from 6 to 8 PM. 
It's casual, no agenda, catch-as-catch-can; there 
are a few people who usually show up, no guarantees, 
and there are usually some people who show up to 
check it out; in the Turing classroom. 
    Nosiebridge is an interesting place, on 2169 Mission near 18th
Street, on the third floor: 
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge 

    SF-LUG meets at the Cafe Enchante on the third 
Monday of the month from 6 to 8 PM and on the first 
Sunday of the month from 11 AM to 1 PM. 
 


On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 16:23 -0800, Johannes Zellner wrote:
> On 2012-12-15 16:10, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> > On 12/15/2012 03:54 PM, Johannes Zellner wrote:
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> Just found this list, is it still active (the website I found is 
> >> rather stale?)?
> >> Is there by any chance some event happening this weekend?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Johannes
> >>
> >         Not this weekend but on Monday SF-LUG will be meeting in
> > the eyeing from 6-8 PM at the Cafe Enchante at 26th and Geary
> > in San Francisco.
> >
> >    If you read the old posts you may find more events happening
> > this week.
> >
> >     Bobbie
> 
> Thanks for the quick reply. Will readup the backlog.
> 
> Dont know, when I'll be back in the city after work on Monday, yet.
> 
> Johannes
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/





From kellankade at gmail.com  Sat Dec 15 16:37:23 2012
From: kellankade at gmail.com (Daniel Nowak)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:37:23 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Ping
In-Reply-To: <1355618013.1815.125.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <386e74f36af3f5ca3e8536e474e86b30@nebulon.de>
	<50CD1164.9060409@dslextreme.com>
	<99709594c02a240dda6982e314d468d5@nebulon.de>
	<1355618013.1815.125.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <4245346929320034481@unknownmsgid>

I can second the Noisebridge group. They are a great group of
enthusiasts. They pop in there before the python class I teach on the
same night.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 15, 2012, at 4:35 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>
>    There's a weekly linux get-together scheduled at
> Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings from 6 to 8 PM.
> It's casual, no agenda, catch-as-catch-can; there
> are a few people who usually show up, no guarantees,
> and there are usually some people who show up to
> check it out; in the Turing classroom.
>    Nosiebridge is an interesting place, on 2169 Mission near 18th
> Street, on the third floor:
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge
>
>    SF-LUG meets at the Cafe Enchante on the third
> Monday of the month from 6 to 8 PM and on the first
> Sunday of the month from 11 AM to 1 PM.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 16:23 -0800, Johannes Zellner wrote:
>> On 2012-12-15 16:10, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> On 12/15/2012 03:54 PM, Johannes Zellner wrote:
>>>> Hello!
>>>>
>>>> Just found this list, is it still active (the website I found is
>>>> rather stale?)?
>>>> Is there by any chance some event happening this weekend?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Johannes
>>>        Not this weekend but on Monday SF-LUG will be meeting in
>>> the eyeing from 6-8 PM at the Cafe Enchante at 26th and Geary
>>> in San Francisco.
>>>
>>>   If you read the old posts you may find more events happening
>>> this week.
>>>
>>>    Bobbie
>>
>> Thanks for the quick reply. Will readup the backlog.
>>
>> Dont know, when I'll be back in the city after work on Monday, yet.
>>
>> Johannes
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



From webmaster at nebulon.de  Sat Dec 15 17:41:33 2012
From: webmaster at nebulon.de (Johannes Zellner)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:41:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Ping
In-Reply-To: <4245346929320034481@unknownmsgid>
References: <386e74f36af3f5ca3e8536e474e86b30@nebulon.de>
	<50CD1164.9060409@dslextreme.com>
	<99709594c02a240dda6982e314d468d5@nebulon.de>
	<1355618013.1815.125.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<4245346929320034481@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <ff53ab0177307fcc7828a54eb264ff10@nebulon.de>

On 2012-12-15 16:37, Daniel Nowak wrote:
> I can second the Noisebridge group. They are a great group of
> enthusiasts. They pop in there before the python class I teach on the
> same night.

Thanks for the noisebridge tip! Will certainly pop in there.
Sounds like its similar to hacker spaces I'm used to in Germany :-)

Johannes

>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 15, 2012, at 4:35 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>    There's a weekly linux get-together scheduled at
>> Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings from 6 to 8 PM.
>> It's casual, no agenda, catch-as-catch-can; there
>> are a few people who usually show up, no guarantees,
>> and there are usually some people who show up to
>> check it out; in the Turing classroom.
>>    Nosiebridge is an interesting place, on 2169 Mission near 18th
>> Street, on the third floor:
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge
>>
>>    SF-LUG meets at the Cafe Enchante on the third
>> Monday of the month from 6 to 8 PM and on the first
>> Sunday of the month from 11 AM to 1 PM.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 16:23 -0800, Johannes Zellner wrote:
>>> On 2012-12-15 16:10, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>> On 12/15/2012 03:54 PM, Johannes Zellner wrote:
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just found this list, is it still active (the website I found is
>>>>> rather stale?)?
>>>>> Is there by any chance some event happening this weekend?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Johannes
>>>>        Not this weekend but on Monday SF-LUG will be meeting in
>>>> the eyeing from 6-8 PM at the Cafe Enchante at 26th and Geary
>>>> in San Francisco.
>>>>
>>>>   If you read the old posts you may find more events happening
>>>> this week.
>>>>
>>>>    Bobbie
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick reply. Will readup the backlog.
>>>
>>> Dont know, when I'll be back in the city after work on Monday, yet.
>>>
>>> Johannes
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Dec 17 14:44:44 2012
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:44:44 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG: no Dec. meeting & other BALUG news
Message-ID: <20121217144444.96786zr4nciqn2ww@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG: no Dec. meeting & other BALUG news

------------------------------

items, details further below:
2012-12 no BALUG meeting; next BALUG meetings 2013-01-15, ...
BALUG "announce" list
past meeting materials (Raspberry Pi, Ubuntu, OpenPhoto, ...)
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org
volunteering to help BALUG

------------------------------

2012-12 no BALUG meeting in December.  We typically skip December.
Happy Holidays!  We generally meet 3rd Tuesdays, mark your calendars!:
2013-01-15 2013-02-19 2013-03-19 2013-04-16 2013-05-21 2013-06-18
2013-07-16 2013-08-20 2013-09-17 2013-10-15 2013-11-19 ...
http://www.balug.org/#Meetings-upcoming

------------------------------

BALUG "announce" list
Want to be sure and catch important BALUG news/announcements?  It is
also a "low volume" list (generally maximum of 3 emails per month, and
sometimes as few as only one).  Consider subscribing directly so you
receive them in a timely manner and don't miss any such announcements.
http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org

------------------------------

past meeting material (Raspberry Pi, Ubuntu, OpenPhoto, ...)

Missed one of our past meetings, or want to see/review the materials
from the meeting?  In some cases presenters provide us with copies of
materials, or we may record a talk/presentation.

These are some of the more recent materials we have:

2012-06-19: Raspberry Pi - Allan Cecil
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2012-December/004921.html

2012-02-21: OpenPhoto Project - Jaisen Mathai
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2012-February/004794.html

2012-04-17: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin - Grant Bowman &  
Elizabeth Krumbach
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2012-April/004834.html

Sometimes speakers/presenters also have materials elsewhere - e.g. their
own web sites.  See also the "announce" archives for many of those links.
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/

------------------------------

Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

------------------------------

volunteering to help BALUG

Want to volunteer to help out BALUG?  Quite a variety of opportunities*
Drop us a note at:
balug-contact at balug.org
Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting.
*e.g.:
o assist on publicity
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o webmastering
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
   quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
   would be good to do (feel free to bring ideas!)

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From jim at systemateka.com  Mon Dec 17 21:12:06 2012
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:12:06 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] At Noisebridge,
 Tuesday Linux SysAdm class topic: on-the-box tour of info sources
Message-ID: <1355807526.1815.161.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


Tuesday 20121218 from 3 to 4:30 PM 

Linux System Administration class topic 
An on-the-box tour of information sources, 
including man pages, /usr/share/doc, info, 
and more. 

In the Turing classroom. 





From jim at well.com  Tue Dec 18 14:30:42 2012
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:30:42 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] At Noisebridge,
 Tuesday Linux SysAdm class topic: on-the-box tour of info sources
In-Reply-To: <1355807526.1815.161.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <1355807526.1815.161.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <1355869842.1997.2.camel@jim-LAPTOP>




Oh, we schedule a recap in the Church classroom 
from 6 to 7, tho' if nobody shows up by 6:15 or 
6:20, we've just hung out in the main space for 
a little while. 




On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 21:12 -0800, jim wrote:
> Tuesday 20121218 from 3 to 4:30 PM 
> 
> Linux System Administration class topic 
> An on-the-box tour of information sources, 
> including man pages, /usr/share/doc, info, 
> and more. 
> 
> In the Turing classroom. 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/





From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 18 21:04:26 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:04:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1355893466.31332.YahooMailRC@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday 
evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net

Joseph



From algoldor at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 20 00:35:58 2012
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:35:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] cookies on netbook can not be enabled
Message-ID: <1355992558.17029.YahooMailNeo@web112402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,
I have a major issue with cookies at my netbook (running Ubuntu 12.04 on the variation of Asus eee pc - Indamixx). I need to edit 29c3 wiki page but when I try to log in it tells me that I have to enable the cookies first. I did so (all the types) in the Mozilla but the same response. I have installed the Google Chrome, did the same again no change still claiming that the cookies are not on. So I wonder if there is some quick check how to find if the wiki is OK (which I expect) and my netbook has another issue ...

I suspect that some of the "infamous" FN keys can be on without me being able to find out which one is it but on the other hand this machine is misbehaving quite a lot (like getting frozen for 5 min when I just edit Google doc or check email without any other application running etc.). I installed the Linux by myself few months ago and did not really use it for any experimenting. I had more or less the same netbook with ubuntu 9.10 for two years and it was running just fine, way better than this baby.

?
Any help would be greatly appreciated because I need to work, 29c3 is coming way to soon!

Many thanks,

Sincerely,


Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 20 11:39:09 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:39:09 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] cookies on netbook can not be enabled
In-Reply-To: <1355992558.17029.YahooMailNeo@web112402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1355992558.17029.YahooMailNeo@web112402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFFqpQM=Md4Rdrffu6KrKfkCJA4DGbaUad83B1Sw3ngX+A@mail.gmail.com>

Take a look under the tools menu -- If you see a selection "Stop private
browsing", select it.  No cookies are saved in private sessions.
Ken__

> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From algoldor at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 20 23:29:50 2012
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:29:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] [Noisebridge-discuss] cookies on netbook can not be
	enabled
In-Reply-To: <CANe-2tfzW6SVpiyS2dRRF2ztTigo5_tP2UHujXiXGdeAkHoc1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1355992558.17029.YahooMailNeo@web112402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CANe-2tfzW6SVpiyS2dRRF2ztTigo5_tP2UHujXiXGdeAkHoc1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1356074990.92005.YahooMailNeo@web112411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks everyone for tips. Yesterday I have tried to access account from another box and the same problem occured with cookies being on, so it looks like it is either problem of 29c3 wiki or just my account there, I will find out hopefully today ...

Talk to you soon when I know more.

Sincerely from Berlin,

?
Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck


biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker


http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org


"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi



________________________________
 From: maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com>
To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] cookies on netbook can not be enabled
 

are you running/using any 'no scripts'/'do not track' software or apps?...

did you try wiping and reinstalling your browser(s)?...

if you do this try to install browsers on a SECURE network and see 'where' they are coming from...

"scrub" the files with malwarebytes(or another) and a good antivirus program before installing...

run malware program on the the ubuntu 12.04 ?box after you install them again...

have you tried accessing/editing wiki from another box? if so what happens?...

there's an F.S.F./GNU (stalllman written) software that deals with a lot of cookies issues but i don't know the name of it...

message ends
__________________________________________________________________________________________




On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi to all,
>I have a major issue with cookies at my netbook (running Ubuntu 12.04 on the variation of Asus eee pc - Indamixx). I need to edit 29c3 wiki page but when I try to log in it tells me that I have to enable the cookies first. I did so (all the types) in the Mozilla but the same response. I have installed the Google Chrome, did the same again no change still claiming that the cookies are not on. So I wonder if there is some quick check how to find if the wiki is OK (which I expect) and my netbook has another issue ...
>
>
>I suspect that some of the "infamous" FN keys can be on without me being able to find out which one is it but on the other hand this machine is misbehaving quite a lot (like getting frozen for 5 min when I just edit Google doc or check email without any other application running etc.). I installed the Linux by myself few months ago and did not really use it for any experimenting. I had more or less the same netbook with ubuntu 9.10 for two years and it was running just fine, way better than this baby.
>?
>Any help would be greatly appreciated because I need to work, 29c3 is coming way to soon!
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
>
>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
>
>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>
>_______________________________________________
>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>
>
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From nbs at sonic.net  Sun Dec 23 17:45:10 2012
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:45:10 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	January 21: 14th anniversary party,
	with talk by "Hacker Lab" of Sacramento
Message-ID: <201212240145.qBO1jAvB016283@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting:

  Monday
  January 21, 2013
  7:00pm - 9:00pm

Presentation:

  Sacramento's "Hacker Lab"
  Charles Blas, Co-Founder

  Hacker Lab occupies a 10,000+ sq. ft. warehouse in the Sacramento
  grid. The front area has common and co-working spaces for tech
  collaboration, and the back area is a maker- and hacker-space with
  access to metal- and wood-working equipment as well as electronics
  equipment (oscilloscopes, spare parts, breadboards, etc...)

  This talk will be a quick walk down memory lane from Charles' days at UC
  Davis in the mid-90's, and how that experience led him to co-found the
  Hacker Lab.  He'll discuss why Sacramento needs another hacker-space,
  and what Hacker Lab and the Linux Users' Group of Davis can do for
  each other.


Anniversary Celebration:

  This meeting marks the 14th anniversary of the founding of the
  Linux Users' Group of Davis.  To celebrate, we'll be providing free
  pizza, snacks, drinks and birthday cake.  We'll also have give-away
  prizes, including a number of books donated by O'Reilly Media.


This meeting will be held at a special location:

  Veterans' Memorial Center
  Club Room
  203 East 14th Street
  Davis, California 95616


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

or simply:

  http://www.lugod.org/ (and follow the links)


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/vetcenter/


------------
About LUGOD:
------------

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  You can find LUGOD on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lugod/
  and on LinkedIn at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=35879

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 25 16:38:31 2012
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:38:31 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Which Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
In-Reply-To: <CAKDXFkNoeAKj9PsN78L0Oi_0TBLpNLM0dk84vq4626w2K86ihg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKDXFkNoeAKj9PsN78L0Oi_0TBLpNLM0dk84vq4626w2K86ihg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50DA4707.1070602@gmail.com>

anyone have any suggestions for my friend? i'll pass them on.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:32:56 +0200
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>
To: linux-il. <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>

I will be installing Kubuntu on 4 computers for a small business who
has already decided that the computers are to be purchased from Ivory.
Due to previous problems with Ubuntu on recent motherboards, I would
like to know which of the following motherboards might be reasonably
expected to work out of the box with Kubuntu 12.04 LTS or Kubuntu
12.10. These are the only motherboards in our price range from Ivory,
unfortunately:

     Asus P8H61-M LX R2.0
     Asus P8H61-M LE R2.0
     Asus P8H61-I R2.0
     Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H
     Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H

It seems that the Ubuntu Hardware Compatibility List website is no
longer maintained, and I cannot find any official information about
these motherboards on Linux in general or Ubuntu in particular. If you
can recommend a good supplier in the south (Beersheba) that has
reasonable prices and better parts, then I might be able to convince
them to ditch Ivory. I have spoken with Ivory customer support, which
told me that they cannot guarantee that any of the motherboards will
work.


-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://gibberish.co.il
http://what-is-what.com

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From jim at systemateka.com  Tue Dec 25 17:07:28 2012
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:07:28 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Which Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
In-Reply-To: <50DA4707.1070602@gmail.com>
References: <CAKDXFkNoeAKj9PsN78L0Oi_0TBLpNLM0dk84vq4626w2K86ihg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50DA4707.1070602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1356484048.7181.139.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    Most generally, your problem highlights one of the 
(if not __the__) most important ways that we can help 
the Linux effort: try out Linux (notably the kernel) 
with as many motherboards as possible and let the kernel 
developers know what __boots__! Information as to which 
mobos boot and which don't is useful, per Andrew Morton. 
    File bugs here: 
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html 

    As to your particulars, it might help if you specify 
which Ivory: I found two or three businesses that seem 
possibly the company to which you're referring (Israel, 
UAE, Africa, Tennessee...). 

    Zareason, in Berkeley, has resold Asus computers with 
Linux on them; it's possible any of the Asus boards might 
work. I'll ask them and see if they know. (Don't know when 
they might respond.) 

    For discussion more generally, here are some links 
that I found that may be useful. 

http://linuxhardware.net/linuxhardware/notes/  <-- note restarted 

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home 

http://www.linux-drivers.org/ 

http://hardware4linux.info/ 





On Tue, 2012-12-25 at 16:38 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> anyone have any suggestions for my friend? i'll pass them on.
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:32:56 +0200
> From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>
> To: linux-il. <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
> 
> I will be installing Kubuntu on 4 computers for a small business who
> has already decided that the computers are to be purchased from Ivory.
> Due to previous problems with Ubuntu on recent motherboards, I would
> like to know which of the following motherboards might be reasonably
> expected to work out of the box with Kubuntu 12.04 LTS or Kubuntu
> 12.10. These are the only motherboards in our price range from Ivory,
> unfortunately:
> 
>      Asus P8H61-M LX R2.0
>      Asus P8H61-M LE R2.0
>      Asus P8H61-I R2.0
>      Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H
>      Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H
> 
> It seems that the Ubuntu Hardware Compatibility List website is no
> longer maintained, and I cannot find any official information about
> these motherboards on Linux in general or Ubuntu in particular. If you
> can recommend a good supplier in the south (Beersheba) that has
> reasonable prices and better parts, then I might be able to convince
> them to ditch Ivory. I have spoken with Ivory customer support, which
> told me that they cannot guarantee that any of the motherboards will
> work.
> 
> 





From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 03:31:33 2012
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:31:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Which Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
In-Reply-To: <1356484048.7181.139.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <CAKDXFkNoeAKj9PsN78L0Oi_0TBLpNLM0dk84vq4626w2K86ihg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50DA4707.1070602@gmail.com> <1356484048.7181.139.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <50DAE015.5000104@gmail.com>

Thanks for your suggestions Jim.

It is in fact Ivory in Israel; I didn't expect anyone to visit the Ivory 
web page or I would have mentioned that.

My friend has asked Ivory if he can test with a live CD; they refused. 
To be fair, they may not have these motherboards assembled into PCs

Thanks for checking with ZA.

M

On 12/25/2012 05:07 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
>      Most generally, your problem highlights one of the
> (if not __the__) most important ways that we can help
> the Linux effort: try out Linux (notably the kernel)
> with as many motherboards as possible and let the kernel
> developers know what __boots__! Information as to which
> mobos boot and which don't is useful, per Andrew Morton.
>      File bugs here:
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html
>
>      As to your particulars, it might help if you specify
> which Ivory: I found two or three businesses that seem
> possibly the company to which you're referring (Israel,
> UAE, Africa, Tennessee...).
>
>      Zareason, in Berkeley, has resold Asus computers with
> Linux on them; it's possible any of the Asus boards might
> work. I'll ask them and see if they know. (Don't know when
> they might respond.)
>
>      For discussion more generally, here are some links
> that I found that may be useful.
>
> http://linuxhardware.net/linuxhardware/notes/  <-- note restarted
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home
>
> http://www.linux-drivers.org/
>
> http://hardware4linux.info/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-12-25 at 16:38 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> anyone have any suggestions for my friend? i'll pass them on.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
>> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:32:56 +0200
>> From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>
>> To: linux-il. <linux-il at cs.huji.ac.il>
>>
>> I will be installing Kubuntu on 4 computers for a small business who
>> has already decided that the computers are to be purchased from Ivory.
>> Due to previous problems with Ubuntu on recent motherboards, I would
>> like to know which of the following motherboards might be reasonably
>> expected to work out of the box with Kubuntu 12.04 LTS or Kubuntu
>> 12.10. These are the only motherboards in our price range from Ivory,
>> unfortunately:
>>
>>       Asus P8H61-M LX R2.0
>>       Asus P8H61-M LE R2.0
>>       Asus P8H61-I R2.0
>>       Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H
>>       Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H
>>
>> It seems that the Ubuntu Hardware Compatibility List website is no
>> longer maintained, and I cannot find any official information about
>> these motherboards on Linux in general or Ubuntu in particular. If you
>> can recommend a good supplier in the south (Beersheba) that has
>> reasonable prices and better parts, then I might be able to convince
>> them to ditch Ivory. I have spoken with Ivory customer support, which
>> told me that they cannot guarantee that any of the motherboards will
>> work.
>>
>>
>
>



From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 26 11:11:10 2012
From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:11:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] January 9,
	2013 Next Official Linux Discussion at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <1356549070.19713.YahooMailRC@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The next "official" Linux Discussion meeting will be on Wednesday, January 9, 
2013 at 6:00 PM PST.  The Turing classroom is reserved for the usual time slot, 
if you are going to be at Noisebridge.

Happy holidays.

Joseph


The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday 
evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.

Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San 
Francisco.

Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 11:55:12 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:55:12 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
Message-ID: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am currently working for an employer that does not allow anything other
than Microsoft Win 7 and IE.  Gmail is blacklisted.  Is there a method to
run Linux in a browser?

I have tried this site:

Bellard.org/jslinux

But IE just chokes on the site and Linux never boots, saying "out of memory
at line 9"

I do not have either Firefox or Google Chrome as an option.  Just IE.

Or, as another option, is there a website that would fool IE by allowing me
to get to Gmail by running gmail in a remote window of some sort?  Thx.
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From jim at systemateka.com  Wed Dec 26 12:33:40 2012
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:33:40 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1356554020.7181.193.camel@jim-LAPTOP>



    Can you expand your use case? I don't get the 
phrase "running Linux in a browser". 
    I can get accessing a Linux system with a browser, 
but it seems to me a browser pretty much makes a 
connection to a web server on the remote host. 
    I suppose someone could make an app that turns 
the browser into a terminal window. 
    Seems possible, thouoh less likely, that someone 
would create a "desktop environment" as a 
web-accessible app (for example,your web browser 
takes on the appearance and functionality of a Gnome 
or KDE or...). 
    In both of the above cases, any actions you would 
kick off would act on the remote host. Seems poor 
(and possibly impossible) design to allow much to 
happen on your local machine. 




On Wed, 2012-12-26 at 11:55 -0800, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am currently working for an employer that does not allow anything
> other than Microsoft Win 7 and IE.  Gmail is blacklisted.  Is there a
> method to run Linux in a browser?  
> 
> I have tried this site:
> 
> Bellard.org/jslinux
> 
> But IE just chokes on the site and Linux never boots, saying "out of
> memory at line 9"
> 
> I do not have either Firefox or Google Chrome as an option.  Just IE.
> 
> Or, as another option, is there a website that would fool IE by
> allowing me to get to Gmail by running gmail in a remote window of
> some sort?  Thx.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 13:43:14 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:43:14 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
In-Reply-To: <1356554020.7181.193.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
References: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356554020.7181.193.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
Message-ID: <CAJdae4qGb6uScJ0YcgvfcUHPo2e1UvanN3yaf3+NPA2i+-44=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Thx for your reply.  Bottom posting...

On Dec 26, 2012 12:33 PM, "jim" <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>     Can you expand your use case? I don't get the
> phrase "running Linux in a browser".

Checkout the link in my original post.  It is cool when it works.

>     I suppose someone could make an app that turns
> the browser into a terminal window.

Yeah check out that link.
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 14:07:23 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:07:23 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4qGb6uScJ0YcgvfcUHPo2e1UvanN3yaf3+NPA2i+-44=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356554020.7181.193.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAJdae4qGb6uScJ0YcgvfcUHPo2e1UvanN3yaf3+NPA2i+-44=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMNwFHvLHRuLZ-KGtc3XS9mQG5gQ0ENXdo-o4ESZ5GRX_wnzQ@mail.gmail.com>

The site claims to support IE 9.  What were you planning to run there?  I
don't see any X support.
Ken


> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 14:25:36 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:25:36 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFHvLHRuLZ-KGtc3XS9mQG5gQ0ENXdo-o4ESZ5GRX_wnzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356554020.7181.193.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAJdae4qGb6uScJ0YcgvfcUHPo2e1UvanN3yaf3+NPA2i+-44=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Christian,
Check out Eyeos, there's a demo at the site, but they've disabled the mail
ability.
http://www.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=158
I played around with Eyeos a little, and had an older copy set up on my
laptop years ago.
Ken


>
>
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 15:31:15 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:31:15 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFE-0a4L8EUTXXxTEGpT+Dyb=FTVFtRvhuReOWqVuP96bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356554020.7181.193.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAJdae4qGb6uScJ0YcgvfcUHPo2e1UvanN3yaf3+NPA2i+-44=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Caution -- Looks like eyeos got privatized in some way, the eyeos web site
is not very functional, but the 2.0 version of the code is still available
on sourceforge.  You'd need a server you trusted to run your eyeos on your
web server.
Ken

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Christian,
> Check out Eyeos, there's a demo at the site, but they've disabled the mail
> ability.
> http://www.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=158
> I played around with Eyeos a little, and had an older copy set up on my
> laptop years ago.
> Ken
>
>
>>
>>
>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 17:34:22 2012
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:34:22 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
In-Reply-To: <CAAMNwFE-0a4L8EUTXXxTEGpT+Dyb=FTVFtRvhuReOWqVuP96bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356554020.7181.193.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAJdae4qGb6uScJ0YcgvfcUHPo2e1UvanN3yaf3+NPA2i+-44=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAAMNwFE-0a4L8EUTXXxTEGpT+Dyb=FTVFtRvhuReOWqVuP96bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJdae4phgJhTCxZYgH514QaCb6aGgVQppb77EeVzPHpodOuyEg@mail.gmail.com>

Thx to evryone who replied to this thread!
On Dec 26, 2012 2:25 PM, "Ken Shaffer" <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Christian,
> Check out Eyeos, there's a demo at the site, but they've disabled the mail
> ability.
> http://www.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=158
> I played around with Eyeos a little, and had an older copy set up on my
> laptop years ago.
> Ken
>
>
>>
>>
>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From grantbow at partimus.org  Wed Dec 26 17:51:07 2012
From: grantbow at partimus.org (Grant Bowman)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:51:07 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] January 9,
	2013 Next Official Linux Discussion at Noisebridge
In-Reply-To: <1356549070.19713.YahooMailRC@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1356549070.19713.YahooMailRC@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+aHvNoaAo7XvBcA721b6UrPmwm0TjwiSbSYmu4pi-_V9g-+dQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am around tonight for a meeting.

Cheers,

Grant
partimus.org
ubuntu-california.org
fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
olpcsf.org
berkeleylug.com
dvlug.org
On Dec 26, 2012 11:13 AM, "Joseph Puig" <jbpuig at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The next "official" Linux Discussion meeting will be on Wednesday, January
> 9,
> 2013 at 6:00 PM PST.  The Turing classroom is reserved for the usual time
> slot,
> if you are going to be at Noisebridge.
>
> Happy holidays.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> The SF-LUG hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on
> Wednesday
> evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom.
>
> Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in
> San
> Francisco.
>
> Info:  www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From grantbow at ubuntu.com  Wed Dec 26 21:39:38 2012
From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:39:38 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
In-Reply-To: <CAJdae4phgJhTCxZYgH514QaCb6aGgVQppb77EeVzPHpodOuyEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <c47b1071-e2ac-4df1-bf6a-901ad77d73da@email.android.com>

An ssh tunnel might be useful in several different ways. Hopefully you can install something or run something from a usb stick. I can try to help you sometime.

Grant


Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:

>Thx to evryone who replied to this thread!
>On Dec 26, 2012 2:25 PM, "Ken Shaffer" <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Christian,
>> Check out Eyeos, there's a demo at the site, but they've disabled the
>mail
>> ability.
>> http://www.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=158
>> I played around with Eyeos a little, and had an older copy set up on
>my
>> laptop years ago.
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> sf-lug mailing list
>>>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>>>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>sf-lug mailing list
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From mhigashi at gmail.com  Thu Dec 27 00:24:59 2012
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 00:24:59 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> Or, as another option, is there a website that would fool IE by allowing
> me to get to Gmail by running gmail in a remote window of some sort?  Thx.
>
If you search for the terms "gmail blocked" on Google, the first result
lists 10 different
ways to get around a block:


http://www.tothepc.com/archives/10-ways-to-access-blocked-gmail-at-office-school-work/


Mike
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 27 02:03:12 2012
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:03:12 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
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Just occurred to me: Could you boot from a thumb drive and one of the 
portable Linux distros which will write to the thumb drive?



From darose at darose.net  Thu Dec 27 07:36:20 2012
From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:36:20 -0500
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
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On 12/27/2012 05:03 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> Just occurred to me: Could you boot from a thumb drive and one of the
> portable Linux distros which will write to the thumb drive?

I used to do something similar when I worked for a Nazi-esque comapny. 
I'd boot my Windows PC into Linux running on a USB drive, and did all my 
work there.  At the end of the day, I'd reboot the computer, remove the 
USB drive, and - voila - back to the Windows PC.

DR




From ian at iansidle.com  Thu Dec 27 12:57:30 2012
From: ian at iansidle.com (ian at iansidle.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:57:30 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
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Well, it sounds like what you really want is to be able to

1)Bypass the security filters at your company
2)Get access to your computer at home (in order to bypass the filters).

Is your primary goal #1, or #2? In order to do #1, there is many
options.
For #2, some of the options are simular but some are different.

A)Ask your company to allow access to the sites you want to get into. A
lot of places are draconian, but if you have a legitimate reason to get
in there then they should be able to make an exception in the security
for you. 

Another way to phrase this is - Is it worth loosing your job, in order
to check your email?

At the end of the day, it is their computer, their internet connection
and companies can restrict your usage of them any way they see fit and
that is 100% legal (regardless of whether that is "reasonable" or not).
 
B)The safest solution is to get a smartphone and check your email using
3G.  
They can not legally lock you down. They can still fire you for "wasting
company time" but they can't claim you are committing "theft of service"
by using their equipment in non-approved ways. It is a *very* long shot
that it would ever get to that, but it is still a possibility.  

There is many ways for them to monitor activity on the computer and
there is too many possibilities to easily list here. By doing it over
3/4G there is no way they can monitor you short of being physically next
to you.

If your budget is tight - The cheapest I've seen is the Venture from
Virgin mobile, $40 android phone (venture) that uses a $35/month plan
that includes unlimited txt/data. This is a pre-paid plan and has no
contractual/term obligations.

There are also many other options out there (Straight Talk, Page
Plus,etc) including iphones but you often have to pay more money up
front for the phone (but then more then make up the difference in
monthly bill savings). 

-If everyone is in "the same boat" and nobody cares about the rules,
then you are probably pretty safe. 

-If the culture is super strict, then I would seriously think twice
about doing it. There is nothing you can do to prevent someone looking
over your shoulder and then reporting it to someone in authority. 

C)Probably one of the easiest ways is to install remote control software
on your computer at home and just remotely run your browser of choice on
there. Short of them running video monitoring software on the computer
it will be hard to detect what you are doing. 

They will know you are doing something, but they will have a hard time
proving what. 

One of the easiest is TeamViewer (as it doesn't require tinkering with
firewalls at all, runs on Linux and you can download a portable version
of the software that runs directly from a USB drive). Well, presuming
they haven't blocked non-approved executables (matched by
checksum/crypto signature). Sometimes you can rename it as "notepad.exe"
and that would work, if they are blocking only based on executable name. 

If you want to go the open-source route, you can install vnc-server and
there is a web-browser based version that allows you to get in through a
web browser w/java (presuming they haven't blocked your ip range and are
lenient enough in the security options in IE). You can also get a
portable executable and run that for the client. 

There is a number of alternatives for this, so you can try different
options and often one solution is blocked but not others. 

Other possibilities
-Browse to your website through a proxy website. Fairly easy to do, but
they are frequently blocked. If you keep looking for new sites that are
not blocked it is fairly reasonable.

Do note, that it is *very* possible for a proxy site to obtain your
login credentials (and/or the contents of your email) this way, so make
sure you do not do anything sensitive unless you go through one that is
reputable.

-Run Tor, but it will be much much slower then the option above and is
as much, if even more risky on getting your identity stolen.

-Use an SSH/VPN tunnel to your computer at home (or use a cheap VPS
~$5/month if you want it to run faster).

-Boot off a Linux USB Drive/CD-ROM. Depending on the configuration, this
/might/ get around the website blocks but this does not necessarily mean
you are safe (it is very possible they are blocking sites and/or
recording your web activity at the firewall/gateway level).  

-If your IT person is *very* vigilant (but not likely), they could also
detect you are no longer running windows and pay you a visit...

-You can run a virtual machine software (VirtualBox is free, VMware
player, several others). Might get around one level of blocking but if
they have monitoring software at the OS level, they can know you spent X
hours a day in the virtual machine, if not block the site(s) anyway. 

thanks,
Ian




From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com  Thu Dec 27 16:49:52 2012
From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:49:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1356638402.25095.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
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Correct, as Grant said.

There is no need to get "tricky" here. You have a lot of options to get
around your firewall. It sounds like your boss doesn't know what he's
doing, anyway.

We are here to help you.

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> An ssh tunnel might be useful in several different ways. Hopefully you can
> install something or run something from a usb stick. I can try to help you
> sometime.
>
> Grant
>
>
> Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Thx to evryone who replied to this thread!
> >On Dec 26, 2012 2:25 PM, "Ken Shaffer" <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Christian,
> >> Check out Eyeos, there's a demo at the site, but they've disabled the
> >mail
> >> ability.
> >> http://www.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=158
> >> I played around with Eyeos a little, and had an older copy set up on
> >my
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> > Or, as another option, is there a website that would fool IE by allowing
> > me to get to Gmail by running gmail in a remote window of some sort?
>  Thx.
> >
> If you search for the terms "gmail blocked" on Google, the first result
> lists 10 different
> ways to get around a block:
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> Just occurred to me: Could you boot from a thumb drive and one of the
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> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:36:20 -0500
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> On 12/27/2012 05:03 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > Just occurred to me: Could you boot from a thumb drive and one of the
> > portable Linux distros which will write to the thumb drive?
>
> I used to do something similar when I worked for a Nazi-esque comapny.
> I'd boot my Windows PC into Linux running on a USB drive, and did all my
> work there.  At the end of the day, I'd reboot the computer, remove the
> USB drive, and - voila - back to the Windows PC.
>
> DR
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 28 09:49:22 2012
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:49:22 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Which Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
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Same question was just asked on Slashdot:
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/28/163211/ask-slashdot-linux-friendly-motherboard-manufacturers
As several people noted, many obsolete hardware lists exist.  A relevant
point was "How much is your time worth?', when you can buy a Dell server
with Linux for $599.
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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Fri Dec 28 12:53:39 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:53:39 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Which Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
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On 12/28/2012 09:49 AM, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> Same question was just asked on Slashdot:
> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/28/163211/ask-slashdot-linux-friendly-motherboard-manufacturers
> As several people noted, many obsolete hardware lists exist.  A 
> relevant point was "How much is your time worth?', when you can buy a 
> Dell server with Linux for $599.
> Ken
>
     Well one way to learn more is to figure out which main boards sound 
good
to you then download the manual for those boards.

     Reminded of this as I try to reseach a laptop BIOS/UEFI on an HP 
Pavilion
computer with the Insyde F.12 BIOS.  It sells with Windows 8 so I know that
it has Secure Boot enabled.  Trying to make sure it can be reset to Legacy
Boot.

     Good luck with your research on the mainboards.

     Bobbie



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 28 12:59:46 2012
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:59:46 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Which Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
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Message-ID: <50DE0842.6040008@gmail.com>

I need to learn more about this UEFI issue. since i only use ancient 
hardware i haven't run into this yet, but surely will.

i'm writing this on an ancient thinkpad t61p.



On 12/28/2012 12:53 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 12/28/2012 09:49 AM, Ken Shaffer wrote:
>> Same question was just asked on Slashdot:
>> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/28/163211/ask-slashdot-linux-friendly-motherboard-manufacturers
>>
>> As several people noted, many obsolete hardware lists exist.  A
>> relevant point was "How much is your time worth?', when you can buy a
>> Dell server with Linux for $599.
>> Ken
>>
>      Well one way to learn more is to figure out which main boards sound
> good
> to you then download the manual for those boards.
>
>      Reminded of this as I try to reseach a laptop BIOS/UEFI on an HP
> Pavilion
> computer with the Insyde F.12 BIOS.  It sells with Windows 8 so I know that
> it has Secure Boot enabled.  Trying to make sure it can be reset to Legacy
> Boot.
>
>      Good luck with your research on the mainboards.
>
>      Bobbie
>
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 01:07:23 2012
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:07:23 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] FSF campaign to stop Restricted Boot
In-Reply-To: <000601cde549$f64ae850$e2e0b8f0$@com>
References: <000601cde549$f64ae850$e2e0b8f0$@com>
Message-ID: <50DEB2CB.2090204@gmail.com>

related to our discussion of motherboards suitable for linux and Secure 
Boot, what do you know or think about this:


-------- Original Message --------



Read this online at 
http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/2012-appeal

Dear ...,

Our campaign to stop Restricted Boot hit a big milestone this month. 
We've surpassed 40,000 signers on our pledge 
<http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement/> 
. That's more than 40,000 people -- including you -- and 50 
organizations who have committed not to purchase or recommend computers 
that strip users of their freedom to install the free operating system 
of their choice.

That freedom came under increasing assault this year, as Microsoft 
released a slew of new devices designed to run Windows 8 and only 
Windows 8. In the new year, we will release new information about 
Restricted Boot and amplify your voices of protest. To do that, we need 
your continued support. Can you donate $50 
<https://my.fsf.org/donate?pk_campaign=2012-Appeal&pk_kwd=secureboot> 
to help us raise the profile of our campaign against Restricted Boot in 
2013?

In January, we'll release an updated white paper with new information 
about how Secure Boot is being implemented. We aim to take the pledge to 
the next level as well, building support and awareness until our numbers 
are 50,000 and counting. We'll also make it easier for people to make 
informed decisions when purchasing new computers by creating new 
resources similar to our 2012 Giving Guide 
<http://www.fsf.org/givingguide> . We'll make these resources available 
online, of course, but we'll also take them out into the streets.

To take the Secure Boot campaign to the next level, we need your 
continued support. Please renew your membership 
<https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom?pk_campaign=2012-Appeal&pk_kwd=secureboot> 
  to the Free Software Foundation today, or consider making a one-time 
donation of $50 
<https://my.fsf.org/donate?pk_campaign=2012-Appeal&pk_kwd=secureboot> 
to keep us going in 2013.

Secure Boot raises many issues for protecting user freedom, promoting 
free software ideals, and encouraging free software adoption. We make 
every dollar you give part of our comprehensive approach to the 
advancement of free software. The Free Software Foundation is the only 
organization that combines support for free software development, 
worldwide education and outreach efforts, software licensing and 
compliance, and advocacy in a holistic strategy to stop Restricted Boot. 
Here's what your support will help us accomplish in 2013:

??         We will continue to build public support around our 
statement. When further actions need to be taken to stand up for this 
freedom as Secure Boot and Restricted Boot are rolled out, we will call 
upon this base of support.

??         We will fight Microsoft's attempt at enforcing Restricted 
Boot on ARM devices like smartphones and tablets. Like any other 
computer, users must be able to install free software operating systems 
on these devices. We will monitor Microsoft's behavior to make sure they 
do not deceive the public again by expanding these restrictions to other 
kinds of systems.

??         We will work with (and when necessary, pressure) 
manufacturers and distributors to make sure that users can change all of 
the software running on their machine, including the boot firmware itself.

??         We will continue to work with companies like Lemote, Freedom 
Included, ZaReason, ThinkPenguin, Los Alamos Computers, Garlach44, and 
InaTux to make computers available that are preinstalled with fully free 
GNU/Linux distributions.

??         We will help provide information about which computers and 
components are most compatible with free software, including making 
people aware of which machines have Restricted Boot.

Microsoft and the other companies driving restricted boot must be 
challenged. The only way to counter their billions of dollars in 
influence is with the power of your voices and your generosity. We need 
to raise $350,000 by January 31st to help us amplify your voices in 
2013. Please, donate today 
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From webmaster at nebulon.de  Sat Dec 29 09:36:51 2012
From: webmaster at nebulon.de (Johannes Zellner)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:36:51 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] FSF campaign to stop Restricted Boot
In-Reply-To: <50DEB2CB.2090204@gmail.com>
References: <000601cde549$f64ae850$e2e0b8f0$@com> <50DEB2CB.2090204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <448cf226f8b6baadaa4374d113883153@nebulon.de>

Maybe related to this and for osnews reader not new, but a sad list of 
distros supporting secure boot: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20522.html
This is going to be a mess for the low human resource distros.

Johannes

On 2012-12-29 01:07, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> related to our discussion of motherboards suitable for linux and
> Secure Boot, what do you know or think about this:
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>
>
> Read this online at
> 
> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/2012-appeal
>
> Dear ...,
>
> Our campaign to stop Restricted Boot hit a big milestone this month.
> We've surpassed 40,000 signers on our pledge
> 
> <http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement/>
> . That's more than 40,000 people -- including you -- and 50
> organizations who have committed not to purchase or recommend
> computers that strip users of their freedom to install the free
> operating system of their choice.
>
> That freedom came under increasing assault this year, as Microsoft
> released a slew of new devices designed to run Windows 8 and only
> Windows 8. In the new year, we will release new information about
> Restricted Boot and amplify your voices of protest. To do that, we
> need your continued support. Can you donate $50
> <https://my.fsf.org/donate?pk_campaign=2012-Appeal&pk_kwd=secureboot>
> to help us raise the profile of our campaign against Restricted Boot
> in 2013?
>
> In January, we'll release an updated white paper with new information
> about how Secure Boot is being implemented. We aim to take the pledge
> to the next level as well, building support and awareness until our
> numbers are 50,000 and counting. We'll also make it easier for people
> to make informed decisions when purchasing new computers by creating
> new resources similar to our 2012 Giving Guide
> <http://www.fsf.org/givingguide> . We'll make these resources
> available online, of course, but we'll also take them out into the
> streets.
>
> To take the Secure Boot campaign to the next level, we need your
> continued support. Please renew your membership
> 
> <https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom?pk_campaign=2012-Appeal&pk_kwd=secureboot>
>  to the Free Software Foundation today, or consider making a one-time
> donation of $50
> <https://my.fsf.org/donate?pk_campaign=2012-Appeal&pk_kwd=secureboot>
> to keep us going in 2013.
>
> Secure Boot raises many issues for protecting user freedom, promoting
> free software ideals, and encouraging free software adoption. We make
> every dollar you give part of our comprehensive approach to the
> advancement of free software. The Free Software Foundation is the 
> only
> organization that combines support for free software development,
> worldwide education and outreach efforts, software licensing and
> compliance, and advocacy in a holistic strategy to stop Restricted
> Boot. Here's what your support will help us accomplish in 2013:
>
> ??         We will continue to build public support around our
> statement. When further actions need to be taken to stand up for this
> freedom as Secure Boot and Restricted Boot are rolled out, we will
> call upon this base of support.
>
> ??         We will fight Microsoft's attempt at enforcing Restricted
> Boot on ARM devices like smartphones and tablets. Like any other
> computer, users must be able to install free software operating
> systems on these devices. We will monitor Microsoft's behavior to 
> make
> sure they do not deceive the public again by expanding these
> restrictions to other kinds of systems.
>
> ??         We will work with (and when necessary, pressure)
> manufacturers and distributors to make sure that users can change all
> of the software running on their machine, including the boot firmware
> itself.
>
> ??         We will continue to work with companies like Lemote,
> Freedom Included, ZaReason, ThinkPenguin, Los Alamos Computers,
> Garlach44, and InaTux to make computers available that are
> preinstalled with fully free GNU/Linux distributions.
>
> ??         We will help provide information about which computers and
> components are most compatible with free software, including making
> people aware of which machines have Restricted Boot.
>
> Microsoft and the other companies driving restricted boot must be
> challenged. The only way to counter their billions of dollars in
> influence is with the power of your voices and your generosity. We
> need to raise $350,000 by January 31st to help us amplify your voices
> in 2013. Please, donate today
> 
> <https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom?pk_campaign=2012-Appeal&pk_kwd=secureboot>
>  to help us turn up the volume.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Free Software Foundation team
>
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From alchaiken at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 16:54:49 2012
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:54:49 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SecureBoot/UEFI
Message-ID: <CAKoGHGWqvvEUsKd7csvcW0eOSPrAHTYP2We30nJ--cO7nAcE1A@mail.gmail.com>

Any x86 device can be set to Legacy Boot.    Any ARM-based Windows 8
device cannot be.    Laptops will in general be x86, which means
disabling UEFI is guaranteed.

Small-manpower distros should be able to use the OpenSUSE/Fedora
signing method with the shim bootloader, if I understand correctly.

Note that SecureBoot/UEFI will offer more security even to Linux/Unix users.

Source: articles from Matthew Garrett's blog, The H Online (der Heise)
and LWN, plus "Free as in Freedom" podcast, all recommended.

HTH,
Alison

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From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com  Mon Dec 31 14:15:44 2012
From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:15:44 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting Sunday January 6, 2013
Message-ID: <50E20E90.8020109@dslextreme.com>

     SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M.
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard.

     These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the
year so far of 6 members.   If you have a problem come along
and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone
who can.

     I was lucky enough to acquire the Linux Pro magazine for January
2013 and its disk for this month includes the Linux Mint KDE distribution
and Ubuntu 12.10 with a new revision of Gnome.
     The magazine is full of useful information and some slightly older
news.

     Hope to see you there.

     Bobbie Sellers



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Dec 31 19:15:41 2012
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:15:41 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Running Linux in a browser under Win7
In-Reply-To: <c47b1071-e2ac-4df1-bf6a-901ad77d73da@email.android.com>
References: <CAJdae4pO7Y7mfgXjwqukSC5MAQpB+YsjSJAPDmz33WmXixWEXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356554020.7181.193.camel@jim-LAPTOP>
	<CAJdae4qGb6uScJ0YcgvfcUHPo2e1UvanN3yaf3+NPA2i+-44=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAMNwFHvLHRuLZ-KGtc3XS9mQG5gQ0ENXdo-o4ESZ5GRX_wnzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAMNwFE-0a4L8EUTXXxTEGpT+Dyb=FTVFtRvhuReOWqVuP96bg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJdae4phgJhTCxZYgH514QaCb6aGgVQppb77EeVzPHpodOuyEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<c47b1071-e2ac-4df1-bf6a-901ad77d73da@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <20130101031541.GB23243@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Grant Bowman (grantbow at ubuntu.com):

> An ssh tunnel might be useful in several different ways.

E.g., useful for getting fired in a case where (as stated) the employer
'does not allow anything other than Microsoft Win 7 and IE'.

Job termination was absent from Christian's stated objectives.
Coincidence?  You decide.


Christian:  As the saying goes, he who has the gold, makes the rules:
If The Man wants to impose silly requirements for the use of company
resources, then The Man can do so, because those resources are his, not
yours.  

While working under those conditions, I suppose you could keep handy a
personal laptop/tablet/smartphone loaded with your preferred software,
and use independent personal Internet access you are paying for on it
(e.g., over cell modem).  Or, if you'd rather not pay for that option,
then the obvious alternative is to just wait until you go home before
enjoying personal Internet access the way you like it.  And, by
contrast, while you're at work, do work, in the fashion the boss wants.