From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 09:38:04 2012 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:38:04 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF Lug meeting next Sunday, April the First In-Reply-To: <4F70ADCE.7000808@dslextreme.com> References: <4F70ADCE.7000808@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: > > I'll be there, it is going to happen. I want to show off my iPad. > Also, do you know if Ken will be there...I am still fascinated by the chumby > John > I'll bring in the Chumby with X running on a Debian stick. Got things running without needing to ssh to the box. Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Thu Apr 5 16:36:19 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:36:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] last meeting... + security Message-ID: <4F7E2C73.4080603@dslextreme.com> Someone wrote and asked for this: I was first on the scene, then Ken Schaeffer and wife, Alex K, Jim Stockford and Eric P. I have had a lot of trouble with the notebook lately but hoped with Ken Schaeffer's help, to get the hibernation working again but it was not to be. On the other hand I managed to get the nVidia driver working again without much work. Stockford, Schaeffer. Alex and Eric seem to be having a serious discussion again of programing but it was not continuous but moving topics around again. A topic of wider discussion was the choice of OS and Eric has a matrix to help him decide. This was occasioned by my remark after a week of struggling with my system, that "I may not be smart enough to run Linux. However I cannot afford a MacOS device and am not stupid enough to be happy with MS Windows. So I guess Linux is stuck with me." The meeting broke up about 1 PM and both Eric and I were given rides by Jim and Alex. Thank you very much for the ride givers. Today I had a problem with downloading my e-mail which lasted about 10 hours before I managed to repair it. Then I found this in Usenet after I had fixed the problem i was having. Completely unrealted to my own problem AFAIK. Wonder how crackers bypass your firewall and infect your system. Easy, get in from an infected web site you are surfing. How you ask? Evil hides everywhere: Web Application Exploits in Headers http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Evil+hides+everywhere+Web+Application+Exploits+in+Headers/12904 How many security advisories are you missing today?:( Thanks to Bit Twister. bliss From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Apr 5 17:26:22 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:26:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] last meeting... + security In-Reply-To: <4F7E2C73.4080603@dslextreme.com> References: <4F7E2C73.4080603@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20120406002622.GI30461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > Wonder how crackers bypass your firewall and infect your system. > Easy, get in from an infected web site you are surfing. > How you ask? > > Evil hides everywhere: Web Application Exploits in Headers > http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Evil+hides+everywhere+Web+Application+Exploits+in+Headers/12904 Um... if you read that carefully, you will see that it's not discussing attacks against users from Web sites. It's discussing attacks against Web sites using deliberately misshapen _client_ Web queries, using HTTP POST operations that pull concealed attack data stashed in the HTTP headers' HTTP_USER_AGENT environment variable. So, the ISC blog's cautionary point isn't directed at users but rather at careless Web designers who cannot be bothered to properly validate input data sent to Web applications (on Web sites) from any-old-place anywhere on the planet over 80/tcp (HTTP) transport. In particular, it's warning them to not just filter input data half-assedly and to remember that _all_ input data received from public networks must be received skeptically and not just hurled at software in a happy-go-lucky manner, including even the remote user's user agent string. > How many security advisories are you missing today?:( So, a propos of that, every major Linux distro has a low-traffic announcements only mailing list for security advisories. It's a really good idea to subscribe to that mailing list and skim-read the couple of mails a week they send you. Over time, you learn how to quickly size almost all of them up and say 'Oh, doesn't apply to me because I don't even have that particular bugware installed', or 'Oh, doesn't apply to me because I don't have the program configured in that peculiar way that makes it vulnerable', etc. You'll also learn about the categories of 'vulnerabilities' that aren't actually security threats in any meaningful sense against your computer: (1) DoS attacks against your one of your software packages means typically only that someone can (at least in theory) send some data that makes it segfault out of RAM, which is annoying but nothing worse. In the cases of software you have running as daemons, it is even less bad than that, because all that happens is that more instances get spawned to replace the ones killed off. (2) 'Cross site scripting' vulnerabilities are not attacks against your workstation but rather are holes in software that can, at least in theory, be used to make your client workstation (e.g., its Web browser) pull attack data from Web site A and use that data fed through your browser to attack Web site B. This is undesirable, of course, but not exactly a local emergency for you, and is not to be confused with things that threaten _your_ security. You'll also learn about the huge difference of degree between theoretical vulnerabilities that might hypothetically be used to attack something if someone figures out a practical way to do so, and vulnerabilities for which real exploits actually exist now. You also learn to ignore what the IT press says about security, because it's usually entirely worthless. From einfeldt at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 15:20:55 2012 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:20:55 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Big Linux computer move next Friday Message-ID: Hi, Fundamental changes are under way at the Creative Arts Charter School, due to a fire that struck on 12.22.11. The Linux desktop lab is being dispersed to make room for a Linux notebook lab. If you would like to help us move machines, please show up at the Creative Arts Charter School this Friday, April 13, 2012, at 9:00 a.m., at 1601 Turk Street at the corner of Pierce. Please bring tools that you will need to triage machines, such as copies of Ubuntu 10.04, screw drivers, needle nose pliers, cable testers, and so forth. Also wear old clothes, because you might get just a little bit dirty moving machines! We will probably be done by about 2:30 pm or so, depending on how it goes. And we will feed you lunch! If you have a camera, please feel free to bring it! Also, people who can drive a truck or a car are especially welcome. Please feel free to call my google voice number at 415-935-1701, which rings through to my cell phone, so that I can help orient you, as the school is fairly large. You can read more about the fire here: http://blog.partimus.org/?p=159 Come join us and be a part of this watershed event in the history of Linux in San Francisco public schools! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon Apr 9 12:22:58 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:22:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Meets on Monday 16 April, 2012 Message-ID: <4F833712.40409@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG meets every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M. at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard. These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the year so far of 6 members. I will have Linux Pro magazine of April 2012 issue #137 at the next meeting which features Knoppix 7 using kernel 3.2.4 with a 32 & 64 bit boot option and 9.1 GiB of software including all the usual culprits. Instructions are at hand for producing a lighter version without special LP softwares included with the DVD. And if you want it on a USP stick check the Accessories Menu. It boots up in a lightweight desktop environment but includes some of my favorite tools from KDE such as KWrite and Kate. Besides that Linux Pro #137 talks about security and a variety of other matters. If you have a problem come along, maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone who will be able to help. Hope to see you there Bobbie Sellers From nbs at sonic.net Mon Apr 9 14:31:17 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:31:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, April 16: "GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program" Message-ID: <201204092131.q39LVHmf020326@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting: Monday april 16, 2012 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program" Akkana Peck GIMP is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, free-form drawing, image composition, cropping, photo-montages, format conversion, and image authoring. It works on many operating systems, in many languages. About the Speaker: Akkana Peck is a software engineer and writer, having worked at Netscape, Sun, SGI, HP and Apple. She is author of "Beginning GIMP: From Novice to Professional" (Apress, 2008). Her diverse interests include astronomy, photography, biking, kayaking, autocross, motorcycles, geology, and embedded Linux. This meeting will be held at a special location: Explorit Nature Center 3141 5th Street Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/upcoming/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 11 08:29:58 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1334158198.15287.YahooMailRC@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco. Info: www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net Joseph From eric at ericwalstad.com Thu Apr 12 14:53:07 2012 From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:53:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Grub question In-Reply-To: References: <20120324224001.18165hlzggxvic08@webmail.rawbw.com> <20120326010147.GA1508@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: For the record, I think this will do what I was looking for, that is, keeping grub2 from pausing after an interrupted boot: "How to auto-respond to fsck prompt at boot": http://stackoverflow.com/a/10077813/545292 EW From einfeldt at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 17:46:18 2012 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:46:18 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Big Linux computer move next Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Just a reminder that we all have another chance to give back to public schools tomorrow with this big computer move discussed below. It really gives you a great feeling to see good things come of the work that we do with free open source software in schools. I hope you will join us! On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > Hi, > > Fundamental changes are under way at the Creative Arts Charter School, due > to a fire that struck on 12.22.11. The Linux desktop lab is being > dispersed to make room for a Linux notebook lab. If you would like to help > us move machines, please show up at the Creative Arts Charter School this > Friday, April 13, 2012, at 9:00 a.m., at 1601 Turk Street at the corner of > Pierce. Please bring tools that you will need to triage machines, such as > copies of Ubuntu 10.04, screw drivers, needle nose pliers, cable testers, > and so forth. Also wear old clothes, because you might get just a little > bit dirty moving machines! We will probably be done by about 2:30 pm or > so, depending on how it goes. And we will feed you lunch! 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URL: From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri Apr 13 07:50:02 2012 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:50:02 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG: Tu 2012-04-17 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin, by Grant Bowman & Elizabeth Krumbach; & other BALUG news Message-ID: <20120413075002.1590242pti815rus@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG: Tu 2012-04-17 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin, by Grant Bowman & Elizabeth Krumbach; & other BALUG news ------------------------------ items, details further below: 2012-04-17 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin, by Grant Bowman & Elizabeth Krumbach 2012-05-15 Salt. Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale, by Corey Quinn Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. volunteering to help BALUG ------------------------------ For our 2012-04-17 meeting BALUG is proud to present: Ubuntu[1] 12.04[2] LTS[3] Precise Pangolin[2] presented by: Grant Bowman[4] & Elizabeth Krumbach[5] Ubuntu's newest Long Term Support (LTS) release, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin, is scheduled to be released 2012-04-26. At this meeting, we'll have co-presented from two wonderful local Ubuntu experts, information on Ubuntu, and what to find and expect in this latest Ubuntu LTS release. Topics covered will include major improvements to the Unity[6] desktop environment and new features you can expect related to the Ubuntu Server[7] and the new Ubuntu Cloud[8] images. Grant Bowman has been a consultant and Internet professional for over twenty years including a former Director of Silicon Valley Public Access Link (SV-PAL)[9] ISP serving Santa Clara County and a present Director of Partimus[10] serving San Francisco and Alameda County middle schools with recycled computers, open source software, training and support. He is an OLPC Developer, Ubuntu Member[11], Fedora[12] Ambassador, Debian[13] Developer and former employee of SUSE[14]. Active Habits[15] is a forthcoming Android app. He is also active with Berkeley Linux Users Group[16], Berkeley Unix User Group (BUUG)[17], Noisebridge[18], San Francisco Linux Users' Group (SF-LUG)[19] and also Diablo Valley Linux Users Group (DVLUG)[20] (every Friday in Walnut Creek). Elizabeth Krumbach works as a Debian[21] Systems Administrator, holds a position on the Ubuntu Community Council[22] and the Treasurer and a Director at the non-profit Partimus[23]. She has held a leadership position in the Ubuntu Women[24] and Ubuntu Classroom[25] projects for several years and recently took over as Marketing and Website lead for the Xubuntu[26] Linux distribution. Former coordinator for the Philadelphia area Linux Users Group[27], she is now living in San Francisco and is one of the leaders of the Ubuntu California[28] team where she coordinates Bay Area Ubuntu events and meetings, install fests, booths and hosts Debian dinners every couple months for Bay Area Debian[29]. 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/ 2. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin 3. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS 4. http://www.grantbow.com/ 5. http://princessleia.com/ 6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface) 7. http://www.ubuntu.com/business/server/overview 8. http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud 9. http://www.svpal.org/ 10. http://partimus.org/ 11. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership 12. http://fedoraproject.org/ 13. http://www.debian.org/ 14. http://www.suse.com/ 15. http://www.activehabits.com/ 16. http://www.berkeleylug.com/ 17. http://www.buug.org/ 18. http://www.noisebridge.net/ 19. http://www.sf-lug.com/ 20. http://www.dvlug.org/ 21. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil 21. http://www.debian.org/ 22. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil 23. http://www.partimus.org/ 24. http://women.ubuntu.com/ 25. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom 26. http://www.xubuntu.org/ 27. http://www.phillylinux.org/ 28. http://ubuntu-california.org/ 29. http://bad.debian.net/ So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, April 17th, 2012 2012-04-17 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue). ------------------------------ For our 2012-05-15 meeting BALUG is proud to announce: Corey Quinn: Salt[1]. Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale Corey Quinn has been finding new and better ways to be lazy via configuration management since discovering that "ssh in a for loop" didn't scale. He's a volunteer for the freenode[2] IRC[3] network, and splits his time between Los Angeles and San Francisco, where he's the director of systems operations at Expensify.com[4], helping make expense reports not suck. 1. http://saltstack.org/ 2. http://freenode.net/ 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat 4. https://www.expensify.com/ ------------------------------ Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. Goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ volunteering to help BALUG Want to volunteer to help out BALUG? (quite a variety of opportunities) Drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting. ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon Apr 16 07:20:07 2012 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:20:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux & Schools - Debian Edu: interviews Message-ID: <20120416072007.13163umhayh6b5ic@webmail.rawbw.com> For those that may be interested: Linux & Schools - Debian Edu: interviews: Petter Reinholdtsen interviewed Wolfgang Schweer [16], Justin B Rye [17] and Andreas Mundt [18] for his "Debian Edu interviews" series. 16 : http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_Edu_interview__Wolfgang_Schweer.html 17 : http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_Edu_interview__Justin_B__Rye.html 18 : http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_Edu_interview__Andreas_Mundt.html references: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2012/08/#interviews From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Apr 16 15:02:31 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:02:31 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Linux meeting Message-ID: <20120416220231.GF18251@linuxmafia.com> Drew may be attending, this evening. ----- Forwarded message from Drew ----- Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:19:10 -0700 From: Drew To: bofh at linuxmafia.com Subject: Linux meeting I found a book marker for you group, and was wondering if you could give me more information on the meeting tonite. I have just started with Linux, and am still trying to learn my way around. I thought this group, or you might be able to provide me with more information on how to use Linux. I have Lisa Mint LDXE. I'm not really sure what else you would need from me to point me in the right direction. Thanks for any help you can provide, Drew ----- End forwarded message ----- From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon Apr 16 20:32:16 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:32:16 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Linux meeting 2012 In-Reply-To: <20120416220231.GF18251@linuxmafia.com> References: <20120416220231.GF18251@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4F8CE440.5040506@dslextreme.com> On 04/16/2012 03:02 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Drew may be attending, this evening. I don't believe he showed up but maybe he missed our small group. Only myself, Daniel and Chris showed up. I had the usual problem with my WiFi shutting down. Daniel showed up for the first time in over a year I believe and he seems to be back in town again. He tried to help me with the matter but had no luck. Chris is interested in running virtual Linux servers it seems and had problems with a game server some years back. I hope Jim and Eric are ok as neither showed up. Daniel gave up about 7 PM and I shut down and left at 7:30 PM. DSLExtreme's connection with the Google mail that is a DSLextreme e-mail account went awry this afternoon and so I missed your e-mail until I got home this evening and started up again. Bobbie Sellers > > ----- Forwarded message from Drew ----- > > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:19:10 -0700 > From: Drew > To: bofh at linuxmafia.com > Subject: Linux meeting > > I found a book marker for you group, and was wondering if you could give > me more information on the meeting tonite. I have just started with Linux, > and am still trying to learn my way around. I thought this group, or you > might be able to provide me with more information on how to use Linux. I > have Lisa Mint LDXE. I'm not really sure what else you would need from me > to point me in the right direction. > > Thanks for any help you can provide, > Drew > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Tue Apr 17 07:24:02 2012 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:24:02 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG: REMINDER: TODAY Tu 2012-04-17 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin, by Grant Bowman & Elizabeth Krumbach; & other BALUG news Message-ID: <20120417072402.62605fggcva1d6w4@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG: REMINDER: TODAY Tu 2012-04-17 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin, by Grant Bowman & Elizabeth Krumbach; & other BALUG news ------------------------------ items, details further below: TODAY 2012-04-17 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin, by Grant Bowman & Elizabeth Krumbach 2012-05-15 Salt. Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale, by Corey Quinn Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. volunteering to help BALUG ------------------------------ For our 2012-04-17 meeting TODAY BALUG is proud to present: Ubuntu[1] 12.04[2] LTS[3] Precise Pangolin[2] presented by: Grant Bowman[4] & Elizabeth Krumbach[5] Ubuntu's newest Long Term Support (LTS) release, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin, is scheduled to be released 2012-04-26. At this meeting, we'll have co-presented from two wonderful local Ubuntu experts, information on Ubuntu, and what to find and expect in this latest Ubuntu LTS release. Topics covered will include major improvements to the Unity[6] desktop environment and new features you can expect related to the Ubuntu Server[7] and the new Ubuntu Cloud[8] images. Grant Bowman has been a consultant and Internet professional for over twenty years including a former Director of Silicon Valley Public Access Link (SV-PAL)[9] ISP serving Santa Clara County and a present Director of Partimus[10] serving San Francisco and Alameda County middle schools with recycled computers, open source software, training and support. He is an OLPC Developer, Ubuntu Member[11], Fedora[12] Ambassador, Debian[13] Developer and former employee of SUSE[14]. Active Habits[15] is a forthcoming Android app. He is also active with Berkeley Linux Users Group[16], Berkeley Unix User Group (BUUG)[17], Noisebridge[18], San Francisco Linux Users' Group (SF-LUG)[19] and also Diablo Valley Linux Users Group (DVLUG)[20] (every Friday in Walnut Creek). Elizabeth Krumbach works as a Debian[21] Systems Administrator, holds a position on the Ubuntu Community Council[22] and the Treasurer and a Director at the non-profit Partimus[23]. She has held a leadership position in the Ubuntu Women[24] and Ubuntu Classroom[25] projects for several years and recently took over as Marketing and Website lead for the Xubuntu[26] Linux distribution. Former coordinator for the Philadelphia area Linux Users Group[27], she is now living in San Francisco and is one of the leaders of the Ubuntu California[28] team where she coordinates Bay Area Ubuntu events and meetings, install fests, booths and hosts Debian dinners every couple months for Bay Area Debian[29]. 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/ 2. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin 3. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS 4. http://www.grantbow.com/ 5. http://princessleia.com/ 6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface) 7. http://www.ubuntu.com/business/server/overview 8. http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud 9. http://www.svpal.org/ 10. http://partimus.org/ 11. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership 12. http://fedoraproject.org/ 13. http://www.debian.org/ 14. http://www.suse.com/ 15. http://www.activehabits.com/ 16. http://www.berkeleylug.com/ 17. http://www.buug.org/ 18. http://www.noisebridge.net/ 19. http://www.sf-lug.com/ 20. http://www.dvlug.org/ 21. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil 21. http://www.debian.org/ 22. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil 23. http://www.partimus.org/ 24. http://women.ubuntu.com/ 25. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom 26. http://www.xubuntu.org/ 27. http://www.phillylinux.org/ 28. http://ubuntu-california.org/ 29. http://bad.debian.net/ So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, April 17th, 2012 2012-04-17 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue). ------------------------------ For our 2012-05-15 meeting BALUG is proud to present: Corey Quinn: Salt[1]. Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale Corey Quinn has been finding new and better ways to be lazy via configuration management since discovering that "ssh in a for loop" didn't scale. He's a volunteer for the freenode[2] IRC[3] network, and splits his time between Los Angeles and San Francisco, where he's the director of systems operations at Expensify.com[4], helping make expense reports not suck. 1. http://saltstack.org/ 2. http://freenode.net/ 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat 4. https://www.expensify.com/ ------------------------------ Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. Goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ volunteering to help BALUG Want to volunteer to help out BALUG? (quite a variety of opportunities) Drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting. ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 17 09:52:40 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1334681560.27999.YahooMailRC@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco. Info: www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net Joseph From alchaiken at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 12:11:42 2012 From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:11:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Wednesday April 18 presentation on "Mentor Graphics Automotive Linux" at Intel in Santa Clara Message-ID: http://www.meetup.com/Silicon-Valley-Automotive-Open-Source/events/54607032/ Who: John Lehmann, Embedded Automotive Solutions, Mentor Graphics Where: Intel Front Lobby, 3600 Juliette Lane, Santa Clara, CA When: Weds 4/18 at 7 PM; a bit earlier if you want to have a snack first Cost: free What: Linux, with its pedigree in both consumer electronics and enterprise networking, is a natural fit for automotive in-vehicle infotainment (IVI) systems, but the transition to an open source model is challenging for car companies. The requirements of vehicle software are fundamentally different and are orders of magnitude more restrictive than those of consumer devices. We will explore the evolving nature of IVI software, and describe industry alliances such as GENIVI that are intended to promote the adoption of common platforms based on automaker-independent standards. Feel free to show up for the talk without registering or RSVPing, but please register and RSVP if you want a snack before the presentation. Thanks to Intel for providing the venue and to ICS for underwriting the food. -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? {she-devel.com, exerciseforthereader.org} "User innovation is an advanced form of product management." ?-- Dirk Riehle, SAP http://www.se-radio.net/2008/04/episode-94-open-source-business-models-with-dirk-riehle/ From eric at ericwalstad.com Fri Apr 20 10:22:27 2012 From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:22:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Tech (and other) books free for the taking Message-ID: Cleaning out my bookshelf, I have 17 programming, database, system, etc, books. I have a couple years of LinuxJournal magazines (2009-2011). I took photos of the spines. See the photos for what I have available: http://flic.kr/p/bMRKJZ http://flic.kr/p/bMRL66 http://flic.kr/p/byX7rN The books are at the free book bin at Red Hill Books in Bernal Heights: http://g.co/maps/2df5j (google map) Eric From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 24 10:30:59 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1335288659.74665.YahooMailRC@web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco. Info: www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net Joseph From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon Apr 30 10:17:22 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:17:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting on Sunday May 6, 2012 Message-ID: <4F9EC922.1010807@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard. These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the year so far of 6 members. If you have a problem come along and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone who can be of assistance. Thanks for your attention Bobbie Sellers From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon Apr 30 23:19:34 2012 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:19:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG: Tu 2012-05-15: Salt (Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale) by Corey Quinn; & other BALUG news Message-ID: <20120430231934.55313x4o94duvf6s@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG: Tu 2012-05-15: Salt (Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale) by Corey Quinn; & other BALUG news ------------------------------ items, details further below: 2012-05-15 Salt. Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale, by Corey Quinn 2012-04-17 materials from meeting (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin presented by: Grant Bowman & Elizabeth Krumbach) Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. volunteering to help BALUG ------------------------------ For our 2012-05-15 meeting BALUG is proud to present: Corey Quinn: Salt[1]. Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale Corey Quinn has been finding new and better ways to be lazy via configuration management since discovering that "ssh in a for loop" didn't scale. He's a volunteer for the freenode[2] IRC[3] network, and splits his time between Los Angeles and San Francisco, where he's the director of systems operations at Expensify.com[4], helping make expense reports not suck. 1. http://saltstack.org/ 2. http://freenode.net/ 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat 4. https://www.expensify.com/ So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, May 15th, 2012 2012-05-15 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue). ------------------------------ 2012-04-17 materials from meeting: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin presented by: Grant Bowman & Elizabeth Krumbach Missed the meeting or not, looking for materials from that meeting? Have a peek here: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2012-April/004834.html ------------------------------ Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. Goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ volunteering to help BALUG Want to volunteer to help out BALUG? (quite a variety of opportunities) Drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting. ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Tue May 1 13:38:54 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 13:38:54 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] MS uses Linux boxes for Skype Message-ID: <4FA049DE.8070707@dslextreme.com> About 10,000 hardened Linux boxes are replacing the P2P supernodes formerly used. Full story at the URL below. Bobbie Sellers From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 1 21:23:07 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 21:23:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, May 21: "Ubuntu 12.04 and Unity; What is it all about?" Message-ID: <201205020423.q424N7nx026412@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting: Monday May 21, 2012 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "Ubuntu 12.04 and Unity; What is it all about?" Philip Ballew, Head of Ubuntu Youth This talk will focus on Ubuntu 12.04 ("Precise Pangolin"), the latest release of the Canonical Ltd.'s Linux-based operating system (and also the most recent "LTS", or "Long Term Support", release), and Unity, Canonical's graphical shell -- well-suited for netbooks and tablets -- for the GNOME desktop environment. Specifically, this talk will cover some of the ways that you can customize Unity. About the Speaker: Philip Ballew is an Ubuntu member, head of Ubuntu Youth, and works heavily in the Ubuntu Power User Community that helps customize Unity, Ubuntu's new GUI. This meeting will be held at a special location: Yolo County Library, Mary L. Stephen's Davis Branch 315 East 14th Street Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/upcoming/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Wed May 2 11:01:03 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1335981663.87352.YahooMailRC@web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco. Info: www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net Joseph From grantbow at ubuntu.com Wed May 2 22:03:01 2012 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:03:01 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) SF-LUG pages In-Reply-To: <1327023015.1725.167.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <20120119063200.GA30827@linuxmafia.com> <1326986459.1725.73.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <1327019457.1725.154.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <20120120011118.GG26383@linuxmafia.com> <1327023015.1725.167.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: The website for sf-lug.org still shows a directory listing. Despite this many people currently give out this address. In my opinion this is a big problem. The sf-lug.com website seems to serve correctly. Ken wrote a great script. Rick and I agree this needs fixing. Who can help get this done? As visitors from all over the world will be attending uds.ubuntu.com next week, May 7-11, 2012 it makes a lot of sense this gets fixed sooner than later. Grant On Jan 19, 2012 5:52 PM, "jim" wrote: > > > More thanks, Rick. I'll attack this within the > next few days and report progress (or its lack). > > > > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 17:11 -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting jim (jim at systemateka.com): > > > > > I guess I'll have to move the sf-lug.org web > > > site to a new host and repoint the domain name. > > > The current host system is not under my control. > > > > > > > > Sorry to hear about that. It's a bit of a pain in the neck, when that > > happens. > > > > Let's see where hte autoritative DNS is: > > > > $ whois sf-lug.org | grep 'Name Server' > > Name Server:NS41.WORLDNIC.COM > > Name Server:NS42.WORLDNIC.COM > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > $ > > > > POINT1: Whoever controls the LUG's domain has elected to have only two > > nameservers. This is a serious mistake. It makes your domain fragile. > > RFC recommendation is minimum 3, maximum 7 authoritative nameservers. > > > > POINT2: It's disapointing that SF-LUG has completely outsourced DNS > > and isn't even running its master nameserver. It's not difficult, and I > > can handhold you to get you going. > > > > Let's check where the master serivce is, and verify that the two servers > > are at least serving the same zonefile S/N: > > > > $ dig -t soa sf-lug.org. @NS41.WORLDNIC.COM. +short > > NS41.WORLDNIC.COM. namehost.WORLDNIC.COM. 111062022 10800 3600 604800 > 3600 > > $ dig -t soa sf-lug.org. @NS42.WORLDNIC.COM. +short > > NS41.WORLDNIC.COM. namehost.WORLDNIC.COM. 111062022 10800 3600 604800 > 3600 > > $ > > > > Good: They are serving the same S/N (sufficient proof that they're > > providing the same version of the data), and the master copy's claimed > > to be the one at NS41.WORLDNIC.COM. > > > > > > POINT3: Contact names/mailboxes in sf-lug.org's public domain records > > are a total train wreck -- completely broken. > > > > The public 'whois' records are the official method for reaching domain > > officials and owners, e.g., to say 'Dude, your DNS is broken' or many > > other things -- including warning notices about upcoming domain > > expirations. The sf-lug.org domain is (wisely) registered out to the > > middle of next year, so it's not going to expire soon, but it's a very > > bad idea for lots of other reasons to have your public contact > > information be broken. > > > > Public points of contact are: Registrant, Admin Contact, Technical > > Contact. SF-LUG's domain data _fail_ to specify a named person for any > > of those roles, and (worse) shows 'no.valid.email at worldnic.com' as the > > contact mailbox for all three roles. > > > > These are serious problems. > > > > > > > > FYI, I continue to offer SF-LUG and similar groups slave (secondary) DNS > > nameservice at two highly reliable nameservers over which I have > > administrative control: > > > > NS1.LINUXMAFIA.COM IP address 198.144.195.186 > > NS1.SVLUG.ORG IP address 64.62.190.98 > > > > Groups wishing to take up that offer should make sure my IPs are > > permitted to do AXFR/IXFR zone transfer requests of your zone(s), then > > tell me you'd like me to do slave nameservice (and for what zones, > > served by what master nameserver IPs). I will let you know when that's > > set up and tested, and you _then_ add my nameservers to the > > authoritative list in your domain, plus add 'NS' lines pointing to them > > in your zonefile. (Don't try to do the above in a different order, or > > you may break your DNS and waste your time.) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Thu May 3 10:10:14 2012 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 10:10:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) SF-LUG pages In-Reply-To: References: <20120119063200.GA30827@linuxmafia.com> <1326986459.1725.73.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <1327019457.1725.154.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <20120120011118.GG26383@linuxmafia.com> <1327023015.1725.167.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <1336065014.1963.123.camel@jim-LAPTOP> SF-LUG.{com,org} were set up by me, jim. There is currently no one but me who is actively involved with web stie maintenance. I welcome help. sf-lug.com is served on a linux vm host that is in the go grid colo, courtesy of go grid (thanks to Paul Lancaster at go grid). I have root permissions. sf-lug.org is served on a bsd box courtesy of circlesoft. I have normal user permmissions and should probably copy the sf-lug.com site onto the systemateka box, for which I've got root permissions and which is hosted in 200 Paul via MonkeyBrains. On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 22:03 -0700, Grant Bowman wrote: > The website for sf-lug.org still shows a directory listing. Despite > this many people currently give out this address. In my opinion this > is a big problem. The sf-lug.com website seems to serve correctly. > > Ken wrote a great script. Rick and I agree this needs fixing. Who can > help get this done? > > As visitors from all over the world will be attending uds.ubuntu.com > next week, May 7-11, 2012 it makes a lot of sense this gets fixed > sooner than later. > > Grant > > > On Jan 19, 2012 5:52 PM, "jim" wrote: > > > More thanks, Rick. I'll attack this within the > next few days and report progress (or its lack). > > > > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 17:11 -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting jim (jim at systemateka.com): > > > > > I guess I'll have to move the sf-lug.org web > > > site to a new host and repoint the domain name. > > > The current host system is not under my control. > > > > > > > > Sorry to hear about that. It's a bit of a pain in the neck, > when that > > happens. > > > > Let's see where hte autoritative DNS is: > > > > $ whois sf-lug.org | grep 'Name Server' > > Name Server:NS41.WORLDNIC.COM > > Name Server:NS42.WORLDNIC.COM > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > Name Server: > > $ > > > > POINT1: Whoever controls the LUG's domain has elected to > have only two > > nameservers. This is a serious mistake. It makes your > domain fragile. > > RFC recommendation is minimum 3, maximum 7 authoritative > nameservers. > > > > POINT2: It's disapointing that SF-LUG has completely > outsourced DNS > > and isn't even running its master nameserver. It's not > difficult, and I > > can handhold you to get you going. > > > > Let's check where the master serivce is, and verify that the > two servers > > are at least serving the same zonefile S/N: > > > > $ dig -t soa sf-lug.org. @NS41.WORLDNIC.COM. +short > > NS41.WORLDNIC.COM. namehost.WORLDNIC.COM. 111062022 10800 > 3600 604800 3600 > > $ dig -t soa sf-lug.org. @NS42.WORLDNIC.COM. +short > > NS41.WORLDNIC.COM. namehost.WORLDNIC.COM. 111062022 10800 > 3600 604800 3600 > > $ > > > > Good: They are serving the same S/N (sufficient proof that > they're > > providing the same version of the data), and the master > copy's claimed > > to be the one at NS41.WORLDNIC.COM. > > > > > > POINT3: Contact names/mailboxes in sf-lug.org's public > domain records > > are a total train wreck -- completely broken. > > > > The public 'whois' records are the official method for > reaching domain > > officials and owners, e.g., to say 'Dude, your DNS is > broken' or many > > other things -- including warning notices about upcoming > domain > > expirations. The sf-lug.org domain is (wisely) registered > out to the > > middle of next year, so it's not going to expire soon, but > it's a very > > bad idea for lots of other reasons to have your public > contact > > information be broken. > > > > Public points of contact are: Registrant, Admin Contact, > Technical > > Contact. SF-LUG's domain data _fail_ to specify a named > person for any > > of those roles, and (worse) shows > 'no.valid.email at worldnic.com' as the > > contact mailbox for all three roles. > > > > These are serious problems. > > > > > > > > FYI, I continue to offer SF-LUG and similar groups slave > (secondary) DNS > > nameservice at two highly reliable nameservers over which I > have > > administrative control: > > > > NS1.LINUXMAFIA.COM IP address 198.144.195.186 > > NS1.SVLUG.ORG IP address 64.62.190.98 > > > > Groups wishing to take up that offer should make sure my IPs > are > > permitted to do AXFR/IXFR zone transfer requests of your > zone(s), then > > tell me you'd like me to do slave nameservice (and for what > zones, > > served by what master nameserver IPs). I will let you know > when that's > > set up and tested, and you _then_ add my nameservers to the > > authoritative list in your domain, plus add 'NS' lines > pointing to them > > in your zonefile. (Don't try to do the above in a different > order, or > > you may break your DNS and waste your time.) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu May 3 16:38:39 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:38:39 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) SF-LUG pages In-Reply-To: <1336065014.1963.123.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <20120119063200.GA30827@linuxmafia.com> <1326986459.1725.73.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <1327019457.1725.154.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <20120120011118.GG26383@linuxmafia.com> <1327023015.1725.167.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <1336065014.1963.123.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20120503233839.GO4232@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at systemateka.com): > SF-LUG.{com,org} were set up by me, jim. > > There is currently no one but me who is actively > involved with web stie maintenance. I welcome > help. Would you be good enough to post the relevant Apache conffile for the [www.]sf-lug.org host at Circlesoft? It's possible the answer will pop out at us. Thanks, Jim! From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sun May 6 17:21:15 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 17:21:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday May 6, 2012 Message-ID: <4FA7157B.3030605@dslextreme.com> We had a good meeting. Daniel, and Ken Schaeffer helped me solve my problems with WiFi on my notebook. After some diagnostic investigation it was determined that the AR5001 wireless was shut down. This seems to be the fault of the supplied driver. It seems that the usual driver has to be blacklisted and then if your install does not have rfkill you will need to get that. Because my wireless was down Daniel used his smart phone through a USB connection to let me connect and download rfkill. After rfkill was installed Ken used it to set the WiFi device back to unblocked. This took about 7/8 of the meeting to complete but I was able finally to get my mail and Usenet thru the Cafe Enchante WiFi. Even when it was working before this was problematic. John Strazziano showed up with his iPad and demoed it a bit for us. He was showing us pictures of a new grandchild and the illustrations of the tablet ZaReason is working on. They need to wait on further improvement in the FOSS drivers for the tablet though. Jim Stockford is back from Peru and his presence added to the occasion. Eric showed up with no special problems. Jim gave myself, Eric and Daniel rides to our next destinations after the meeting. Thanks Jim. Bobbie Sellers From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Tue May 8 07:18:21 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 07:18:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] The day Tux Paint became contagious Message-ID: <4FA92B2D.70404@dslextreme.com> Should be gratifying and of interest to at least one reader. bliss From algoldor at yahoo.com Tue May 8 07:40:58 2012 From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] The day Tux Paint became contagious In-Reply-To: <4FA92B2D.70404@dslextreme.com> References: <4FA92B2D.70404@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <1336488058.78272.YahooMailNeo@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nice! Open source is just amazing! I have been forced to use Windows based machines for last several months and just few days ago I got my hands on Ubuntu based computer and first thing which I did was that I have installed the Gimp :-)) ? Best of luck with further efforts! From Seoul, Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Ghandi ________________________________ From: Bobbie Sellers To: sf-LUG Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:18 PM Subject: [sf-lug] The day Tux Paint became contagious Should be gratifying and of interest to at least one reader. ? ? bliss _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri May 11 06:50:37 2012 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 06:50:37 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] REMINDER: BALUG: Tu 2012-05-15: Salt (Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale) by Corey Quinn; & other BALUG news Message-ID: <20120511065037.88303a4ln9538iyo@webmail.rawbw.com> REMINDER: BALUG: Tu 2012-05-15: Salt (Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale) by Corey Quinn; & other BALUG news ------------------------------ items, details further below: 2012-05-15 Salt. Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale, by Corey Quinn Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. speakers/presenters? ------------------------------ For our 2012-05-15 meeting BALUG is proud to present: Corey Quinn: Salt[1]. Configuration Management and Remote Execution at Scale Corey Quinn has been finding new and better ways to be lazy via configuration management since discovering that "ssh in a for loop" didn't scale. He's a volunteer for the freenode[2] IRC[3] network, and splits his time between Los Angeles and San Francisco, where he's the director of systems operations at Expensify.com[4], helping make expense reports not suck. 1. http://saltstack.org/ 2. http://freenode.net/ 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat 4. https://www.expensify.com/ So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, May 15th, 2012 2012-05-15 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue). ------------------------------ Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. Goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ speakers/presenters? Some suitable talk/presentation for BALUG - are you willing and able to do such, or know someone who is? Can you talk someone into it? :-) Can you help BALUG line up speakers/presenters for BALUG meetings? Any or all of the preceding, let us know, or if you wish to join the BALUG speaker coordinators, just let us know: balug-speaker-coordinators at balug.org ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sat May 12 09:31:04 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:31:04 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] From One Laptop Per Child to Pixel Qi! Message-ID: <4FAE9048.8040106@dslextreme.com> I just happened to get a paper when a friend walked off and left it with me and today I looked at it and saw the article. She predicts a screen comparable to the iPad Retine in every way but power consumption. Bobbie From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sun May 13 19:04:30 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:04:30 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Dealing with UEFI Message-ID: <4FB0682E.5070204@dslextreme.com> Found these in Usenet newsgroups. Good general point by point instructions and details of how to do it. Above tested by a user with the problem and it worked. And the following which is Fedora specific. Bobbie Sellers From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon May 14 09:22:14 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:22:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting 21 May 2012 Message-ID: <4FB13136.7070803@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG meets every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M. at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard. These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the year so far of 6 members. If you have a problem come along and maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone who can. Hope to see you there. Bobbie Sellers From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Mon May 14 16:01:52 2012 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:01:52 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <4FB0682E.5070204@dslextreme.com> References: <4FB0682E.5070204@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: Or usr grub-efi, which is an available package in Ubuntu. Some links below, maybe making installation more complicated than need be if the grub-efi package simply works -- no direct experience with such a motherboard myself. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting http://jkyamog.blogspot.com/2011/09/manual-setup-of-uefi-gpt-and-grub2.html Ken sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Tue May 15 10:33:18 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1337103198.61188.YahooMailRC@web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. 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URL: From algoldor at yahoo.com Sat May 19 18:56:36 2012 From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Fw: [galway-lug] Why Linux Sucks | LFNW 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1337478996.88642.YahooMailNeo@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I like this one :-)) ? Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Ghandi ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Aaron Hastings To: galway-lug at googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [galway-lug] Why Linux Sucks | LFNW 2012 Yup, it's very good. Make sure you watch the follow-up, "Why Linux Still Sucks". 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URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon May 21 18:05:55 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:05:55 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fw: [galway-lug] Why Linux Sucks | LFNW 2012 In-Reply-To: <1337478996.88642.YahooMailNeo@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1337478996.88642.YahooMailNeo@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120522010555.GQ6651@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Frantisek Apfelbeck (algoldor at yahoo.com): >An interesting watch and funny at time --> >http://youtu.be/Sh-cnaJoGCw _Every_ operating system sucks. http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/os-suck.html However: 1. Presenter seems fixated on the suckitude of buggy and overengineered GNOME-based (and in one case KDE-based) desktop distros. And actually, he's fixated almost solely on Ubuntu (with a tiny bit of attention paid to Fedora so he can kid himself into thinking he's covered the field. So, we basically have here a standard-issue OS-advocacy idiot who's fixated on Ubuntu and its problems. This got old a long time ago. 2. Presenter acts as if choice and diversity are bad things. Cinnamon vs. blah-blah-blah. Oh, spare me. 3. Wow, hardware manufacturers are still wankers who push out sucky proprietary drivers by default, so 'drivers still suck'. Who knew? Gosh, welcome to this universe, guy. But somehow hardware manufacturers being wankers reflects badly on Linux? Quoi? 4. 'Multi-arch breaks old packages'. OK, get the new versions, then. 5. 'Changing the entire user experience is still going on'. Only if you're drinking the Ubuntu Kool-Aid. My user experience is stable and the way I like it. 6. X.org can be broken if you screw with it or insist on using proprietary video drivers. Don't screw with it or insist on using proprietary video drivers. (Also, he blames Ubuntu's semi-broken upgrade path a/o the last release on X.org. Odd.) 7. Waahhh, Wayland's not here yet. But do we care, really? No. 8. It's (allegedly) bad to need to package software separately for each distribution. Yawn. 'You have to maintain your software separately for each distribution.' No, you don't. That's not upstream's job. It's what distros have package maintainers for, and the work of package maintainers of making software comply with distro policies is A Good Thing. This guy basically just doesn't understand what packaging is all about, and thus to him it looks duplicative. 9. 'Everyone ignores Linux Standard Base.' No, wrong. The fact that 'deb is far, far more popular' does not, contrary to his assertion, show what he claims it does. 10. 'Here's what Linux usage is over the last ten years.' God, that's pathetic. His metric is the laziest and worst attempt to guesstimate Linux usage I've seen in years. Distrowatch hits? C'mon. OK, I watched half of it. That's enough. From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue May 22 15:50:32 2012 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:50:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Big Linux computer move next Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Here are some pictures and a blog entry about this big computer move: http://blog.partimus.org/?p=285 On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > Hi, > > Fundamental changes are under way at the Creative Arts Charter School, due > to a fire that struck on 12.22.11. The Linux desktop lab is being > dispersed to make room for a Linux notebook lab. If you would like to help > us move machines, please show up at the Creative Arts Charter School this > Friday, April 13, 2012, at 9:00 a.m., at 1601 Turk Street at the corner of > Pierce. Please bring tools that you will need to triage machines, such as > copies of Ubuntu 10.04, screw drivers, needle nose pliers, cable testers, > and so forth. Also wear old clothes, because you might get just a little > bit dirty moving machines! We will probably be done by about 2:30 pm or > so, depending on how it goes. And we will feed you lunch! If you have a > camera, please feel free to bring it! Also, people who can drive a truck > or a car are especially welcome. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Tue May 22 21:06:35 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 21:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1337745995.83162.YahooMailRC@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco. Info: www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net Joseph From nbs at sonic.net Thu May 24 12:36:07 2012 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:36:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, June 18: "Wikimedia and Wikipedia" Message-ID: <201205241936.q4OJa7M3004706@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting: Monday June 18, 2012 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "Wikimedia and Wikipedia" Trevor Parscal and Roan Kattouw, Wikimedia Foundation Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. is the non-profit organization behind Wikipedia and several other online collaborative wiki projects. The foundation's goal is to develop and maintain open content, wiki-based projects and to provide the full contents of those projects to the public free of charge. Wikimedia currently runs on dedicated clusters of Ubuntu Linux servers, with a pair of OpenSolaris machines for ZFS. There are 400 servers in Tampa, Florida, and 60 in Amsterdam, as well as 450 in Virginia that are still being built out. The operation of Wikimedia depends on MediaWiki, a custom-made, free and open source wiki software platform written in PHP and built upon the MySQL database. About the Speakers: Trevor Parscal has been working at the Wikimedia Foundation since 2008, focusing his engineering and design efforts on the front-end of MediaWiki. Key projects he's worked on include redesigning the look and feel of Wikipedia and creating ResourceLoader which optimizes the way JavaScript, CSS and image resources are sent to the client. His most recent work has been building a visual editor for Wikipedia. Roan Kattouw has been a MediaWiki developer since 2007 and has been working for the Wikimedia Foundation since 2009. Roan has worked on usability improvements for Wikipedia and on ResourceLoader, a front-end resource delivery system, and is now working on building the visual editor with Trevor. Roan also works on various small things, ranging from JavaScript code review to MediaWiki backend hacking to deploying code on the cluster. This meeting will be held at: Yolo County Library, Mary L. Stephen's Davis Branch Blanchard Community Room 315 East 14th Street Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/upcoming/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From einfeldt at gmail.com Fri May 25 13:23:00 2012 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 13:23:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] 20 new notebooks for Partimus, thanks to Jim Stockford Message-ID: Hi, Thanks to Jim Stockford and Intuit, Partimus will have 20 new notebook computers to donate and support at a local public school. The details are here on the Partimus blog: http://blog.partimus.org/?p=302 Thanks, Jim! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Strazzarino) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 21:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] 20 new notebooks for Partimus, thanks to Jim Stockford In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1338005898.88131.YahooMailNeo@web162803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Let me also chime in with a big thank you to Jim S and others for getting the donation together. ? John ? ________________________________ From: Christian Einfeldt To: sf-lug Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] 20 new notebooks for Partimus, thanks to Jim Stockford Freshly updated to say what the machines will be used for http://blog.partimus.org/?p=302 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: Hi, > >Thanks to Jim Stockford and Intuit, Partimus will have 20 new notebook computers to donate and support at a local public school.? The details are here on the Partimus blog: > >http://blog.partimus.org/?p=302 > >Thanks, Jim! > _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundquistjames at gmail.com Sat May 26 15:55:34 2012 From: sundquistjames at gmail.com (James Sundquist) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 15:55:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Noisebridge Wiki has a Linux Section Message-ID: Hello SF-LUG, Not sure if all of you are aware, but this list has served as the inspiration for regular meetups at Noisebridge for a few years. I've just added a Linux section to their website/mediawiki and hope you will feel inspired to add to it yourselves as anyone is welcome to get involved. There are currently multiple classes that meet on a regular basis: General Discussion, System Administration, C and the Assembler. We're now looking to offer two new, bi-monthly classes: a 101 Linux Introductory class for those with no experience whatsoever on a bi-monthly basis and a class that focuses solely on system recovery. The recovery class will have the fun name Fie: Failure is Eminent. It'll be a chance for people to implement various methods for backing up and recovering there data, which we will put to the test and improve. Both will be for 1.5 hours at an unknown time though you can get an idea by visiting the events page. -James On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Linux Users' Group of Davis, June 18: "Wikimedia and > Wikipedia" (nbs) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:36:07 -0700 > From: nbs > To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, June 18: "Wikimedia and > Wikipedia" > Message-ID: <201205241936.q4OJa7M3004706 at bolt.sonic.net> > > > The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following > meeting: > > Monday > June 18, 2012 > 7:00pm - 9:00pm > > Presentation: > > "Wikimedia and Wikipedia" > Trevor Parscal and Roan Kattouw, Wikimedia Foundation > > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. is the non-profit organization behind > Wikipedia and several other online collaborative wiki projects. > The foundation's goal is to develop and maintain open content, > wiki-based projects and to provide the full contents of those > projects to the public free of charge. > > Wikimedia currently runs on dedicated clusters of Ubuntu Linux > servers, with a pair of OpenSolaris machines for ZFS. There are 400 > servers in Tampa, Florida, and 60 in Amsterdam, as well as 450 in > Virginia that are still being built out. The operation of Wikimedia > depends on MediaWiki, a custom-made, free and open source wiki > software platform written in PHP and built upon the MySQL database. > > About the Speakers: > > Trevor Parscal has been working at the Wikimedia Foundation since > 2008, focusing his engineering and design efforts on the front-end of > MediaWiki. Key projects he's worked on include redesigning the look > and feel of Wikipedia and creating ResourceLoader which optimizes the > way JavaScript, CSS and image resources are sent to the client. > His most recent work has been building a visual editor for Wikipedia. > > Roan Kattouw has been a MediaWiki developer since 2007 and has been > working for the Wikimedia Foundation since 2009. Roan has worked on > usability improvements for Wikipedia and on ResourceLoader, a front-end > resource delivery system, and is now working on building the visual > editor with Trevor. Roan also works on various small things, ranging > from JavaScript code review to MediaWiki backend hacking to deploying > code on the cluster. > > > This meeting will be held at: > > Yolo County Library, Mary L. Stephen's Davis Branch > Blanchard Community Room > 315 East 14th Street > Davis, California 95616 > > > For more details on this meeting, visit: > > http://www.lugod.org/meeting/upcoming/ > > > For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: > > http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/ > > > ------------ > About LUGOD: > ------------ > > The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization > dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source > and Free Software. > > Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers > in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater > Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. > > Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ > > > -- > Bill Kendrick > pr at lugod.org > Public Relations Officer > Linux Users' Group of Davis > http://www.lugod.org/ > > (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 76, Issue 16 > ************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The > recovery class will have the fun name Fie: Failure is Eminent. ^^^^^^^ I've always considered failure to be conspicuous, noteworthy, distinguished, and lofty, too. One slightly different word is 'imminent'. It means forthcoming, impending, likely to occur at any moment. ;-> Fabulous idea to have a data-recovery class! From assiroger2006 at yahoo.com Sun May 27 23:10:08 2012 From: assiroger2006 at yahoo.com (ASSI YAPO Roger) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] (no subject) Message-ID: <1338185408.1063.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bobbie Sellers From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Tue May 29 12:18:17 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1338319097.33964.YahooMailRC@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco. Info: www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net Joseph From sundquistjames at gmail.com Tue May 29 12:50:33 2012 From: sundquistjames at gmail.com (James Sundquist) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:50:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 76, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What did eric and jim discuss? On May 29, 2012 12:00 PM, wrote: Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to sf-lug at linuxmafia.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com You can reach the person managing the list at sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. SF-LUG meeting Sunday June 3, 2012 (Bobbie Sellers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:32:37 -0700 From: Bobbie Sellers To: SF-LUG Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Sunday June 3, 2012 Message-ID: <4FC4EC15.8030903 at dslextreme.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard. These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the year so far of 6 members. If you have a problem come along, maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone who can. So the last meeting was quite lightly attended but Jim Stockford and Eric had a very interesting discussion. Hope to see you there. Bobbie Sellers ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 76, Issue 20 ************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundquistjames at gmail.com Tue May 29 13:07:14 2012 From: sundquistjames at gmail.com (James Sundquist) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:07:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Noisebridge sysadmin class today and more! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Join us, 2169 mission street, at Noisebridge for the weekly sysadmin class from 3-4:30pm. Mysql intro is 4:30-6pm and arch user meetup is at the same time. Sysadmin today will focus on Git, system recovery, expanding the Noisebridge wiki, and other things I forget. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sat Jun 2 11:43:57 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:43:57 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI Message-ID: <4FCA5EED.8010206@dslextreme.com> Copied from a Usenet Post FYI. http://www.itworld.com/open-source/279459/fedora-linux-capitulates-microsoft-boot-certificate?page=0,0 Fedora Linux capitulates to Microsoft boot certificate Implementing UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html bobbie From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Jun 2 14:15:16 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:15:16 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <4FCA5EED.8010206@dslextreme.com> References: <4FCA5EED.8010206@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20120602211516.GN6651@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > Fedora Linux capitulates to Microsoft boot certificate ^^^^^^^^^^^ No. That's simply wrong. A system in custom mode should allow you to delete all existing keys and replace them with your own. After that it's just a matter of re-signing the Fedora bootloader (like I said, we'll be providing tools and documentation for that) and you'll have a computer that will boot Fedora but which will refuse to boot any Microsoft code. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html (You provided that link, but I'm guessing you didn't stop to read it.) A machine with UEFI Secure Boot[1] enforced in the boot firmware is no longer a general-purpose computer, and so you shouldn't purchase one unless you're prepared to either deal with its enforcement mechanisms or reflash your BIOS with something more tractible (such as Coreboot, http://www.coreboot.org/). 'Dealing with its enforcement mechanisms' can mean putting the BIOS into custom mode and loading it with your _own_ code signatures, as Matthew Garrett mentions above. [1] Your subject header notwithstanding, the problem is not UEFI itself, but rather UEFI Secure Boot. From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Sat Jun 2 14:27:15 2012 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:27:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120602211516.GN6651@linuxmafia.com> References: <4FCA5EED.8010206@dslextreme.com> <20120602211516.GN6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: Thanks for pointing that out, Rick. Larry Cafiero On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > >> Fedora Linux capitulates to Microsoft boot certificate > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > No. ?That's simply wrong. > > ? A system in custom mode should allow you to delete all existing keys > ? and replace them with your own. After that it's just a matter of > ? re-signing the Fedora bootloader (like I said, we'll be providing > ? tools and documentation for that) and you'll have a computer that will > ? boot Fedora but which will refuse to boot any Microsoft code. > > http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html > > (You provided that link, but I'm guessing you didn't stop to read it.) > > A machine with UEFI Secure Boot[1] enforced in the boot firmware is no > longer a general-purpose computer, and so you shouldn't purchase one > unless you're prepared to either deal with its enforcement mechanisms or > reflash your BIOS with something more tractible (such as Coreboot, > http://www.coreboot.org/). ?'Dealing with its enforcement mechanisms' > can mean putting the BIOS into custom mode and loading it with your > _own_ code signatures, as Matthew Garrett mentions above. > > [1] Your subject header notwithstanding, the problem is not UEFI itself, > but rather UEFI Secure Boot. > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Jun 2 15:09:14 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:09:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: References: <4FCA5EED.8010206@dslextreme.com> <20120602211516.GN6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20120602220914.GP6651@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Larry Cafiero (larry.cafiero at gmail.com): > Thanks for pointing that out, Rick. Additionally to that, depending on what controls the BIOS vendor and OEM include, the user could: 1. Disable UEFI Secure Boot, or 2. Switch the firmware to a legacy BIOS mode. As with reflashing your firmware to run Coreboot[1], these operating modes would prevent MS-Windows 8 from being willing to run as MS-Windows would detect its initialising in a 'non-secure' hardware environment, but not all of us regard that as a drawback. ;-> [1] An open source project called TianoCore exists to add UEFI interfaces to Coreboot, primarily to initialize hardware. I'm not sure how useful that code is yet, as it relies somewhat on cooperation from hardware manufacturers to provide specifications. http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/tianocore/ From akkana at shallowsky.com Sat Jun 2 17:35:17 2012 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:35:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120602220914.GP6651@linuxmafia.com> References: <4FCA5EED.8010206@dslextreme.com> <20120602211516.GN6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120602220914.GP6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20120603003517.GD2658@shallowsky.com> Rick Moen writes: > Additionally to that, depending on what controls the BIOS vendor and OEM > include, the user could: > > 1. Disable UEFI Secure Boot, or > 2. Switch the firmware to a legacy BIOS mode. Matthew Garrett says in the blog post under discussion: While Microsoft have modified their original position and all x86 Windows machines will be required to have a firmware option to disable this or to permit users to enrol their own keys, it's not really an option to force all our users to play with hard to find firmware settings before they can run Fedora. What I wasn't clear on was whether "a firmware option" and "play with hard" meant pressing ESC or F10 or whatever to go into the BIOS menus and toggle a flag once, or something much more elaborate (run this Windows-only .EXE that changes your firmware somehow?) Anyone know? ...Akkana From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sun Jun 3 14:15:00 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:15:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120602211516.GN6651@linuxmafia.com> References: <4FCA5EED.8010206@dslextreme.com> <20120602211516.GN6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4FCBD3D4.6030309@dslextreme.com> On 06/02/2012 02:15 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > >> Fedora Linux capitulates to Microsoft boot certificate > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > No. That's simply wrong. Thanks for your explication of the matter but I did not write that nor did the man whose work I copied write it but it is a headline on a Google reference when searching on the terms, UEFI - Linux. You discarded my reference to having gotten it from the Usenet. That line of reference and my name at the bottom were the only contributions I made to the post which I only checked to make sure it was about Linux and had somewhat to do with the matter. I think it is important that various Linux distributions are attempting to accommodative the UEFI and Secure Boot in various ways. > > A system in custom mode should allow you to delete all existing keys > and replace them with your own. After that it's just a matter of > re-signing the Fedora bootloader (like I said, we'll be providing > tools and documentation for that) and you'll have a computer that will > boot Fedora but which will refuse to boot any Microsoft code. > > http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html > > (You provided that link, but I'm guessing you didn't stop to read it.) > > A machine with UEFI Secure Boot[1] enforced in the boot firmware is no > longer a general-purpose computer, and so you shouldn't purchase one > unless you're prepared to either deal with its enforcement mechanisms or > reflash your BIOS with something more tractible (such as Coreboot, > http://www.coreboot.org/). 'Dealing with its enforcement mechanisms' > can mean putting the BIOS into custom mode and loading it with your > _own_ code signatures, as Matthew Garrett mentions above. > > [1] Your subject header notwithstanding, the problem is not UEFI itself, > but rather UEFI Secure Boot. > > Bobbie Sellers From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jun 3 18:12:16 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:12:16 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <4FCBD3D4.6030309@dslextreme.com> References: <4FCA5EED.8010206@dslextreme.com> <20120602211516.GN6651@linuxmafia.com> <4FCBD3D4.6030309@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20120604011216.GZ6651@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > On 06/02/2012 02:15 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > >Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > > > >>Fedora Linux capitulates to Microsoft boot certificate > > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >No. That's simply wrong. > Thanks for your explication of the matter but I did not write that > nor did the man whose work I copied write it but it is a headline > on a Google reference when searching on the terms, UEFI - Linux. Yes, and it's simply wrong -- as I said. You claimed you were posting it 'FYI' -- for your information -- but the net effect of your posting was mostly misinformation, particularly the ITworld.com headline (above) that you quoted and heavily featured. > You discarded my reference to having gotten it from the Usenet. What I said was 'simply wrong' was NOT from Usenet, but rather from ITworld.com. You forgot so soon? You provided the URL in your post right above your quotation of the ITworld.com guy's headline: http://www.itworld.com/open-source/279459/fedora-linux-capitulates-microsoft-boot-certificate?page=0,0 Sorry, that headline's simply wrong. Thus my point: simply wrong. It would have been no less wrong if you'd quoted it from Usenet, but in fact you quoted it from ITworld.com. > That line of reference and my name at the bottom were the only > contributions I made to the post which I only checked to make sure > it was about Linux and had somewhat to do with the matter. OK, what's your point? I wished to correct the impression you created in posting it, by explaining why it was simply wrong. So, I did so. If you believe it's somehow unsporting to point out that someting you post is simply wrong merely because you were quoting someone else, I respectfully disagree. From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jun 3 21:31:44 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 21:31:44 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI Message-ID: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> Seems to have somehow ended up in offlist private mail. (Please do not move an onlist public thread to offlist private mail unless you actually have a need for privacy, and then please explain why that is. The reason I participate in public threads is to have a public discussion.) ----- Forwarded message from Bobbie Sellers ----- Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:25:17 -0700 From: Bobbie Sellers To: Rick Moen Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI Reply-To: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Organization: none On 06/03/2012 06:12 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > >> On 06/02/2012 02:15 PM, Rick Moen wrote: >>> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): >>> >>>> Fedora Linux capitulates to Microsoft boot certificate >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>> No. That's simply wrong. >> Thanks for your explication of the matter but I did not write that >> nor did the man whose work I copied write it but it is a headline >> on a Google reference when searching on the terms, UEFI - Linux. > Yes, and it's simply wrong -- as I said. > > You claimed you were posting it 'FYI' -- for your information -- but the > net effect of your posting was mostly misinformation, particularly the > ITworld.com headline (above) that you quoted and heavily featured. > >> You discarded my reference to having gotten it from the Usenet. > What I said was 'simply wrong' was NOT from Usenet, but rather from > ITworld.com. You forgot so soon? You provided the URL in your post > right above your quotation of the ITworld.com guy's headline: > http://www.itworld.com/open-source/279459/fedora-linux-capitulates-microsoft-boot-certificate?page=0,0 > > Sorry, that headline's simply wrong. Thus my point: simply wrong. > > It would have been no less wrong if you'd quoted it from Usenet, but in > fact you quoted it from ITworld.com. No I quoted if from the Usenet post referenced below. My checking was of the URLs involved simply as I said to be sure they dealt in however flawed a manner with the subjects mentioned. >> That line of reference and my name at the bottom were the only >> contributions I made to the post which I only checked to make sure >> it was about Linux and had somewhat to do with the matter. > OK, what's your point? > > I wished to correct the impression you created in posting it, by > explaining why it was simply wrong. So, I did so. > > If you believe it's somehow unsporting to point out that someting you > post is simply wrong merely because you were quoting someone else, I > respectfully disagree. It is simply wrong to claim that I wrote anything besides that one line and my signature. And I wished to correct your mis-apprehension as to the authorship of the posting which you did by cutting my reference to the Usenet where I found both URLs in a single post by a user styling himself Bit Twister which I found in alt.os.linux.mandriva, xref:mx04.eternal-september.org alt.os.linux.mandriva:26290 Again thank you for the explication of the matters in regards to UEFI and Secure Boot. bliss ----- End forwarded message ----- From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Sun Jun 3 21:39:24 2012 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:39:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] how to disable screen dimming due to light sensor in exo-pc running ubuntu Message-ID: <4FCC3BFC.2040207@gmail.com> 1) anyone running any flavor of ubuntu on an exo-pc? i'd love to exchange ideas. 2) exo-pc has a light sensor which automatically dims the screen in dim light. i want my screen bright all the time. how can i disable the automatic dimming? my absolutely horrible hack using xbacklight is: michael at exopc:~/Ubuntu One/misc/hints$ while [ 5 -lt 10 ] > do > xbacklight -set 100 > done it works but flickers sometimes. i've heard that the dimming is controlled via apci. is there a way to control acpi? From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jun 3 21:45:41 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 21:45:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers > No I quoted if from the Usenet post referenced below. Quoting your post verbatim, immediately below the first line that claims 'Copied from a Usenet post, FYI': http://www.itworld.com/open-source/279459/fedora-linux-capitulates-microsoft-boot-certificate?page=0,0 Fedora Linux capitulates to Microsoft boot certificate The subject header of the referenced ITworld.com story is: Fedora Linux capitulates to Microsoft boot certificate Is Usenet anywhere in this picture? I don't know, and it's actually entirely irrelevant. Regardless of what anyone said on Usenet, the point is: That headline's simply wrong. Thus my upthread point: simply wrong. That's why I said: 'That headline's simply wrong. Thus my point: simply wrong.' Understand? Not correct. Wrong. Contradicted by fact. It's irrelevant what anyone said on Usenet. It's beside the point. > It is simply wrong to claim that I wrote anything besides that one > line and my signature. I did _not_ so claim. Let me repeat: That headline's simply wrong. Thus my point: simply wrong. Understand? Not correct. Wrong. Contradicted by fact. I will be glad to accept your apology for the gratuitous and erroneous soap-opera of asserting that I'd 'claimed that you wrote anything besides that one line and your signature'. You cited a reference to a news story that made a severely erroneous claim. I pointed out that that news story is wrong. Deal with it, please. And have a great day. And don't bother with the apology if it'll prolong this waste of time. > And I wished to correct your mis-apprehension as to the authorship of > the posting which you did by cutting my reference to the Usenet where > I found both URLs in a single post by a user styling himself Bit > Twister which I found in alt.os.linux.mandriva, > xref:mx04.eternal-september.org alt.os.linux.mandriva:26290 That is entirely irrelevant to the point, and I have pondered deeply what the significance might be of someone mentioning on Usenet the erroneous ITworld.com article that you cited by URL and headline -- and come up completely dry. > Again thank you for the explication of the matters in regards to > UEFI and Secure Boot. You're very welcome. From akkana at shallowsky.com Mon Jun 4 10:34:27 2012 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:34:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] how to disable screen dimming due to light sensor in exo-pc running ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4FCC3BFC.2040207@gmail.com> References: <4FCC3BFC.2040207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120604173427.GB2430@shallowsky.com> Michael Shiloh writes: > 1) anyone running any flavor of ubuntu on an exo-pc? i'd love to > exchange ideas. > > 2) exo-pc has a light sensor which automatically dims the screen in > dim light. i want my screen bright all the time. how can i disable > the automatic dimming? > > my absolutely horrible hack using xbacklight is: [running xbacklight in a continuous loop, ick] I have run Ubuntu on the ExoPC, but had some issues and ended up putting WeTab on it: http://wetab.mobi/en It's open source and made specifically for the ExoPC hardware, and it's remarkably usable, much better than Ubuntu Ocelot. They seem to have found a solution for the backlight problem, so if you want an Ubuntu solution, you might be able to poke around and figure out how WeTab solved it. Another thing to try: the Valerie Aurora webcam patch. http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2008/12/07/a-band-aid-solution/ If nothing else, it should stop the flickering and keep the display set at a constant setting ... but it might not be the 100% setting. ...Akkana From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 11:20:31 2012 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:20:31 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] how to disable screen dimming due to light sensor in exo-pc running ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20120604173427.GB2430@shallowsky.com> References: <4FCC3BFC.2040207@gmail.com> <20120604173427.GB2430@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <4FCCFC6F.7030602@gmail.com> Very interesting. I will give WeTab a try. Thanks! Michael Shiloh Artist, designer, tinkerer, teacher, geek KA6RCQ michaelshiloh.pbworks.com www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make On 06/04/2012 10:34 AM, Akkana Peck wrote: > Michael Shiloh writes: >> 1) anyone running any flavor of ubuntu on an exo-pc? i'd love to >> exchange ideas. >> >> 2) exo-pc has a light sensor which automatically dims the screen in >> dim light. i want my screen bright all the time. how can i disable >> the automatic dimming? >> >> my absolutely horrible hack using xbacklight is: > [running xbacklight in a continuous loop, ick] > > I have run Ubuntu on the ExoPC, but had some issues and ended up > putting WeTab on it: http://wetab.mobi/en > It's open source and made specifically for the ExoPC hardware, > and it's remarkably usable, much better than Ubuntu Ocelot. > > They seem to have found a solution for the backlight problem, > so if you want an Ubuntu solution, you might be able to poke around > and figure out how WeTab solved it. > > Another thing to try: the Valerie Aurora webcam patch. > http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2008/12/07/a-band-aid-solution/ > If nothing else, it should stop the flickering and keep the display > set at a constant setting ... but it might not be the 100% setting. > > ...Akkana > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 13:34:46 2012 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:34:46 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] My last two big problems with Ubuntu 12.04 Message-ID: This week I finally addressed my last two big issues with Ubuntu 12.04 that I had mentioned at the Sun. meeting -- the VMwareplayer failure to compile and the NVidia driver speed. The VMwareplayer 4.0.3 source was not tracking some new locations for includes in the 3.2.x kernel. The available patch for the 4.0.2 player worked with the 4.0.3 player after editing in the 4.0.3 version number. My laptop uses the NVidia Geoforce Go 6150 for video, which is usually below the acceptable level for Unity 3D, so usually I run Unity 2D. The NVidia 295.40 version of the driver supplied as "current" had a bad perfomance regression. Even dragging windows lagged the cursor, so anything with high video requirements like a game was out of the question. I tried to start SecondLife, but gave up when I smelled smoke. On the other hand, the open source noveau driver worked almost as fast as the NVidia driver. I was dithering about whether to drop back to an earlier NVidia or try some later version. I tried the latest with the below: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install nvidia-current and got the 295.53 version, which I activated, rebooted, and found I could now run Unity 3D without complaints. I'll probably stick with Unity 2D because the GPU temp of 85 deg C is warmer than I like. Ken Shaffer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grantbow at ubuntu.com Mon Jun 4 17:59:06 2012 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:59:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: Rick, you are the most factually correct and yet apparently mean spirited people I know. Linux & related communities are made up of people who are driven away in ways large and small by exactly this kind of public exchange. Grant From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 5 00:36:11 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:36:11 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Grant Bowman (grantbow at ubuntu.com): > Rick, you are the most factually correct and yet apparently mean > spirited people I know. I love this! You get to do a completely barefaced personal attack on me, and feel completely self-righteous about doing it, such that you can call people unpleasant names and basically do extreme character assassination without, say, being 'mean spirited' ever sticking to _you_. That's a really neat trick, Grant. And meanwhile, all I actually said was that Bobbie Sellers posted something that was simply factally wrong, explained in detail why that was the case, and made no comment whatsoever about Bobbie personally, let alone acted in any 'mean-sprited' fashion. As it happens, people have been parroting the ITworld.com headline uncritically all over the Internet -- and erroneously slinging mud on the Fedora developers for no better reason than not bothering to read the details or double-check anything. And, again, all I said about Bobbie doing that is that the claim itself is simply wrong (and why). I really don't know what your problem is, Grant - except that it appears to involve a rather extreme case of hypocrisy. So, no, I'm pretty much unimpressed by this sudden outburst of scummy behaviour. > Linux & related communities are made up of people who are driven away > in ways large and small by exactly this kind of public exchange. Whereas gratuitous character assassination is perfectly fine and in fact beneficial, provided you clothe it in an aura of self-righteousness. Are you really managing to convince yourself of that? You've pretty much thrown away my respect in a single post, for whatever that's worth. Don't even bother to argue, as nothing good can come of this. From dennisharrison at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 05:18:02 2012 From: dennisharrison at gmail.com (Dennis Harrison) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 07:18:02 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:36 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Grant Bowman (grantbow at ubuntu.com): > >> Rick, you are the most factually correct and yet apparently mean >> spirited people I know. > > I love this! You get to do a completely barefaced personal attack on > me, and feel completely self-righteous about doing it, such that you can > call people unpleasant names and basically do extreme character > assassination without, say, being 'mean spirited' ever sticking to _you_. > That's a really neat trick, Grant. > > And meanwhile, all I actually said was that Bobbie Sellers posted > something that was simply factally wrong, explained in detail why that > was the case, and made no comment whatsoever about Bobbie personally, > let alone acted in any 'mean-sprited' fashion. > > As it happens, people have been parroting the ITworld.com headline > uncritically all over the Internet -- and erroneously slinging mud on > the Fedora developers for no better reason than not bothering to read > the details or double-check anything. And, again, all I said about > Bobbie doing that is that the claim itself is simply wrong (and why). > > > I really don't know what your problem is, Grant - except that it appears > to involve a rather extreme case of hypocrisy. So, no, I'm pretty much > unimpressed by this sudden outburst of scummy behaviour. > >> Linux & related communities are made up of people who are driven away >> in ways large and small by exactly this kind of public exchange. > > Whereas gratuitous character assassination is perfectly fine and > in fact beneficial, provided you clothe it in an aura of > self-righteousness. Are you really managing to convince yourself of > that? > > You've pretty much thrown away my respect in a single post, for whatever > that's worth. > > Don't even bother to argue, as nothing good can come of this. Rick, you remind me of a very close friend, whom I love like a brother. He is a genuinely nice guy, being compassionate and mostly equitable. My friend makes people 'itchy' over and over, time after time - but he (almost always) refuses to accept any responsibility for how a particular relationship develops. Ultimately, his behavior results in less than optimal enjoyment. That hurts to see. I'm not saying that you and he are the same in this regard, as I've never met you - I've only seen you on this list and read through your website. Also, since you're not my friend, there is very little personal interest in your life and enjoyment. So, don't take this as me jumping to a conclusion and trying to point out some life lesson to you. I do have enough context for this question though: Rick, do you honestly think that you're not viewed as 'mean-spirited' when exhibiting certain behavior (I'll skip the examples - which I know you can use to pick this apart, as I bet you'll grok what I'm aiming for here)? If your answer is no, you need to pay more attention. If your answer is anything else, you're well aware of the way people perceive you - and hopefully are OK with that. However, know that most people won't bother to tell you how much your passive-aggressive behavior puts them off. My guess is that you will enjoy a spirited round of cognitive dissonance reduction after reading this. Make no mistake in this: You're rude, and I dislike your exhibited personality. Blah blah blah, -- Dennis From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 5 09:22:37 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:22:37 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20120605162237.GA27819@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Dennis Harrison (dennisharrisn at gmail.com): > However, know that most people won't bother to tell you how much your > passive-aggressive behavior puts them off. Boy, are -you- barking up the wrong tree. I've never been passive a day in my life, and you'll never in all your days meet anyone who's more extremely and to-a-fault direct and blunt. Agressive? Absolutely. Passive? Not in a million years. If you're going to go around giving people unsolicited psychobabble advice, you should please at least get your categories right. Now, let's review. Bobbie quotes a misleading ITworld.com headline (and matching ITworld.com URL) that people all over the Internet who read shallowly have been parroting in order to unfairly slag Fedora Linux, i.e., Red Hat, Inc., which as usual has been doing thankless basic engineering work and attempting to ensure that all Linuxes can run on the next generation of hardware. Unlike Grant the Ubuntu flack, and apparently unlike you and unlike Bobbie, I actually care about whether the truth of Linux news gets out and is understood -- and acted to very simply correct the gross misstatement of fact and the _utterly_ unfair smearing of the Fedora Project by pointing out that the story Bobbie quoted is simply wrong. I also said specifically why. (I said nothing about Bobbie herself, of course, that being specifically not my intention.) Bobbie came back with a pretty incoherent complaint that she'd somehow been mistreated because I'd failed to quote the line where she said it was from Usenset -- as if that had anything whatsoever to do with the point that she'd posted something that was simply wrong and was GROSSLY unfair and borderline defamatory towards the Fedora Project and Red Hat, Inc. Into this picture leapt Grant Bowman the Ubuntu publicist and Canonical, Ltd. lapboy, severely in conflict of interest as usual, to take a personal shot at the person who'd pointed out that Ubuntu's competitor had been unfairly slagged. And finally, you step in and call me passive -- of all things -- and suggest I need to 'pay more attention'. Well, thanks, Dennis. I have just paid attention. Now, I need to get busy with other things. From mmdmurphy at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 09:26:49 2012 From: mmdmurphy at gmail.com (Dan Murphy) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:26:49 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120605162237.GA27819@linuxmafia.com> References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605162237.GA27819@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: I'd just like to thank all of you for the entertainment. Not choosing sides, not expressing an opinion, just watching from the sidelines. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Dennis Harrison (dennisharrisn at gmail.com): > >> However, know that most people won't bother to tell you how much your >> passive-aggressive behavior puts them off. > > Boy, are -you- barking up the wrong tree. > > I've never been passive a day in my life, and you'll never in all your > days meet anyone who's more extremely and to-a-fault direct and blunt. > Agressive? ?Absolutely. ?Passive? ?Not in a million years. > > If you're going to go around giving people unsolicited psychobabble > advice, you should please at least get your categories right. > > > Now, let's review. ?Bobbie quotes a misleading ITworld.com headline (and > matching ITworld.com URL) that people all over the Internet who read > shallowly have been parroting in order to unfairly slag Fedora Linux, > i.e., Red Hat, Inc., which as usual has been doing thankless basic > engineering work and attempting to ensure that all Linuxes can run on > the next generation of hardware. > > Unlike Grant the Ubuntu flack, and apparently unlike you and unlike > Bobbie, I actually care about whether the truth of Linux news gets out > and is understood -- and acted to very simply correct the gross > misstatement of fact and the _utterly_ unfair smearing of the Fedora > Project by pointing out that the story Bobbie quoted is simply wrong. ?I > also said specifically why. ?(I said nothing about Bobbie herself, of > course, that being specifically not my intention.) > > Bobbie came back with a pretty incoherent complaint that she'd somehow > been mistreated because I'd failed to quote the line where she said it > was from Usenset -- as if that had anything whatsoever to do with the > point that she'd posted something that was simply wrong and was GROSSLY > unfair and borderline defamatory towards the Fedora Project and Red Hat, > Inc. > > Into this picture leapt Grant Bowman the Ubuntu publicist and Canonical, > Ltd. lapboy, severely in conflict of interest as usual, to take a > personal shot at the person who'd pointed out that Ubuntu's competitor > had been unfairly slagged. > > And finally, you step in and call me passive -- of all things -- and > suggest I need to 'pay more attention'. > > Well, thanks, Dennis. ?I have just paid attention. ?Now, I need to get > busy with other things. > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 10:30:29 2012 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:30:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120605162237.GA27819@linuxmafia.com> References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605162237.GA27819@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: I thought I'd jump in when cooler heads prevailed, but then by that time I would have missed the party. So to be fashionably late . . . . On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Now, let's review. ?Bobbie quotes a misleading ITworld.com headline (and > matching ITworld.com URL) that people all over the Internet who read > shallowly have been parroting in order to unfairly slag Fedora Linux, > i.e., Red Hat, Inc., which as usual has been doing thankless basic > engineering work and attempting to ensure that all Linuxes can run on > the next generation of hardware. What is that saying about a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth puts its pants on? This instance would be Exhibit A for that. So Instead of saying "Hey, thanks," to Fedora and Red Hat for whipping out the checkbook and making UEFI easier to use on newer hardware (putting aside the argument that we should all be buying Linux-specific hardware in the first place from vendors like ZaReason or System 76), what we're getting is "sky-is-falling" propaganda parroted from people who ought to know better. [As an aside, I didn't see any other FOSS entity -- like, oh I don't know, Canonical/Ubuntu -- stepping up to the plate to address the UEFI issue. Nor would I expect them to, since their contributions back to FOSS are limited, at best.] So, Rick: Thank you for pointing this out and thanks for being vigilant about things like this. Like Rick, I also care about whether the truth of Linux news gets out and is understood, and people who advocate for Linux and FOSS need to care about this as well. I've crossed verbal swords with Rick before and I have the scars to show for it (conversely, I would like to think that he also has a few scars from my verbal rapier as well), and while I have been corresponding with him on and off mailing lists (mostly this one) for years, I met him in person for the first time at SCALE this year. I find him to be a very friendly person who is completely dedicated and committed to the promotion and well-being of Linux and FOSS. Passive is not a word that would come close to describing Rick, much to his credit and much to Linux's and FOSS's benefit. Of course, he doesn't need me to speak on his behalf -- he does a great job of it on his own -- but rather than let much of the arguably unwarranted criticism go unaddressed, some may need a reminder. Larry Cafiero From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 10:35:51 2012 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:35:51 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] power supply for an HP Pavilion dv800 Message-ID: Hi, Partimus has recently been given a donation of an HP Pavilion dv800 for our public schools, but without a power supply. Laptop computers are very valuable for these schools, because space is at a premium especially at Creative Arts Charter School, which is still in compressed in one building from two buildings, due to a fire. More on that fire here: http://blog.partimus.org/?p=285 Thanks either way for considering our request! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 5 11:03:41 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:03:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605162237.GA27819@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20120605180341.GP6651@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Larry Cafiero (larry.cafiero at gmail.com): > I thought I'd jump in when cooler heads prevailed, but then by that > time I would have missed the party. So to be fashionably late . . . . With the same caveat: > What is that saying about a lie can travel halfway around the world > before the truth puts its pants on? This instance would be Exhibit A > for that. So Instead of saying "Hey, thanks," to Fedora and Red Hat > for whipping out the checkbook and making UEFI easier to use on newer > hardware (putting aside the argument that we should all be buying > Linux-specific hardware in the first place from vendors like ZaReason > or System 76), what we're getting is "sky-is-falling" propaganda > parroted from people who ought to know better. > > [As an aside, I didn't see any other FOSS entity -- like, oh I don't > know, Canonical/Ubuntu -- stepping up to the plate to address the UEFI > issue. Nor would I expect them to, since their contributions back to > FOSS are limited, at best.] And I was especially not impressed that Grant pulled this bullshit from his ubuntu.com official e-mail address. If you want to look for a passive-aggressive behaviour pattern, that's actually the direction you want to look, Dennis. Grant's been waiting for a chance to slag me in public (under cover of some claim of self-righteousness, which is the way passive-aggressives do such things) for quite a while. In fact, I think I can cite the exact moment when Grant got a bug up his tochis about me: It was just over a year ago, and Grant was posting to a half-dozen Linux community mailing lists a well worked out propaganda line about how Ubuntu is unique in its suitability to 'simple end users'; that no other Linux distribution is suitable to recommend. And, after I heard this a dozen or so times, I finally asked Grant a question, on May 25, 2011, on the BUUG mailing list: [...] Problem is: Some of the stuff new users typically seek (proprietary codecs and such; see below), and complain about the absence of, _is missing_ by default. By policy. I respect those omissions; there are good reasons for them, and there are 'restricted formats' pages (etc.) about how to retrofit them. And yet the point remains. Linux Mint and Ultimate Edition are Ubuntu with those things merged in. So, if the aim is to make things as easy as humanly possible for 'simple end users', shouldn't they merit higher recommendation? Shouldn't PCLinuxOS, MEPIS Linux, and Zenwalk Linux _also_ merit higher recommendation by that same reasoning? It was a simple question. Given that Linux Mint and Ultimate Edition are even _more_ suitable for 'simple end users' by Grant's own criteria, why isn't he urging _their_ use even more than he's urging use of Ubuntu? Not doing so would be illogical... unless of course you're a marketing flack for Canonical, Ltd. And, oddly, Grant never said a word in response to that question. Not even evasions, just silence -- and subsequent remarkable smiling hostility. Which is what passive-agressiveness is, Dennis. From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 11:11:13 2012 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:11:13 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] power supply for an HP Pavilion dv800 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, The part number for this machine is EZ579UA#ABA . Thx! On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > Hi, > > Partimus has recently been given a donation of an HP Pavilion dv800 for > our public schools, but without a power supply. Laptop computers are very > valuable for these schools, because space is at a premium especially at > Creative Arts Charter School, which is still in compressed in one building > from two buildings, due to a fire. More on that fire here: > > http://blog.partimus.org/?p=285 > > Thanks either way for considering our request! > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 5 11:44:22 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:44:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] power supply for an HP Pavilion dv800 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120605184422.GQ6651@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com): > Partimus has recently been given a donation of an HP Pavilion dv800 for our > public schools, but without a power supply. Laptop computers are very > valuable for these schools, because space is at a premium especially at > Creative Arts Charter School, which is still in compressed in one building > from two buildings, due to a fire. More on that fire here: > > http://blog.partimus.org/?p=285 > > Thanks either way for considering our request! FYI, $16 plus shipping on eBay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Pavilion-DV800-CTO-DV8005-Laptop-power-supply-ac-adapter-cord-cable-charger-/250759094643 From grantbow at ubuntu.com Tue Jun 5 11:45:42 2012 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:45:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: <20120605180341.GP6651@linuxmafia.com> References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605162237.GA27819@linuxmafia.com> <20120605180341.GP6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: There is never enough time to respond to Rick completely so I will not try. I am busy today. This is a rare case of Rick not being precise enough. It was not a personal attack. I addressed behavior and perception. I know many of Rick's contributions and appreciate them. I do see a cost that can be blindingly high to newcomers. What I said and continues to be true on this and now also on at least the dvlug.org list that Rick has hosted for many years is that while factually accurate, Rick is overwhelmingly perceived as mean spirited. Technically astute readers will find less mean than casual readers but the perception is fairly consistent. Given this perception this drives good people away from good Linux groups. This is not a healthy pattern. Grant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 5 11:58:10 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:58:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fedora dealing with UEFI In-Reply-To: References: <20120604043144.GE27425@linuxmafia.com> <20120604044541.GC6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605073611.GL6651@linuxmafia.com> <20120605162237.GA27819@linuxmafia.com> <20120605180341.GP6651@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20120605185810.GR6651@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Grant Bowman (grantbow at ubuntu.com): > This is a rare case of Rick not being precise enough. It was not a personal > attack. I addressed behavior and perception. Saying I'm 'apparently mean spirited' and drive people away from participation on public mailing lists is both extremely personal and aims to hit me _squarely_ in the core of my Internet participation for the last 30 years, as I've done damned near nothing but build online communities, funding the effort entirely out of my pocket (including providing public forums for many groups including this one) without any expectation of thanks, because I think it's important work. Denying that it's personal is classic passive-aggressive behaviour. And now I see that you're dropping the 'apparently', and also attempting to hide behind unnamed other people whose views you claim to represent. So, it wasn't bad enough before, and now you're escalating. And you're still doing all this from an Ubuntu mailing address. Wow. You know, if I _were_ the 'mean sprited' person you claim I am, I could certainly get you in a huge amount of trouble with Canonical, Ltd. for making them look extremely bad in public, especially given the kicking of dirt against the Fedora Project that I spoke up to correct -- with which you had no problem, but were delighted to personally attack the person who posted the correction. However, I most certainly won't, as I'm not that sort of guy, and I have no time for your kind of soap opera. From tomdiz at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 12:36:50 2012 From: tomdiz at yahoo.com (Thomas DiZoglio) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 12:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] power supply for an HP Pavilion dv800 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1338925010.20727.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Christian, I'm pretty sure I have this part at home and we can meet up in SF. I will check tonight. -------------------- t0md ? CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: Proprietary/Confidential Information belonging to Virgil Software, Inc. may be contained in this message. If you are not a recipient indicated or intended in this message (or responsible for delivery of this message to such person), or you think for any reason that this message may have been addressed to you in error, you may not use or copy or deliver this message (and all attachments) to anyone else. In such case, you should destroy this message (and all attached documents) and are asked to notify the sender by reply email. ________________________________ From: Christian Einfeldt To: sf-lug Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:35 AM Subject: [sf-lug] power supply for an HP Pavilion dv800 Hi, Partimus has recently been given a donation of an HP Pavilion dv800 for our public schools, but without a power supply.? Laptop computers are very valuable for these schools, because space is at a premium especially at Creative Arts Charter School, which is still in compressed in one building from two buildings, due to a fire.? More on that fire here: http://blog.partimus.org/?p=285 Thanks either way for considering our request! _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jane_ikari at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 15:50:32 2012 From: jane_ikari at yahoo.com (bruce coston) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Thug behavior from buntu fans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1338936632.87336.YahooMailClassic@web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I was a mepis fan until they abandoned what's now called trinity desktop and witnessed many slights from ubuntu fans . I constantly find the buntu / s tweaker as distributions not suited for new users , excepting certain heavy variants like mint . I'd sooner send a newbie to kdpup484beta4 over most ubuntu variants . I desperately appreciate Rick mentioning the constant propaganda war against the real linux competition . ? Ubuntu is unique in its suitability to 'simple end users'; > that no other > Linux distribution is suitable to recommend. > > And, after I heard this a dozen or so times, I finally asked > Grant a > question, on May 25, 2011, on the BUUG mailing list: > > [...] > Problem is: Some of the stuff new users> typically seek (proprietary> codecs and such; see below), and complain about the > absence of, _is> missing_ by default. By policy. I respect> those omissions; there are > good reasons for them, and there are 'restricted> formats' pages (etc.)> about how to retrofit them. > > And yet the point remains. ? > Linux Mint and Ultimate Edition are Ubuntu with those> things merged in. > So, if the aim is to make things as easy as humanly> possible for 'simple > end users', shouldn't they merit higher> recommendation? Shouldn't > PCLinuxOS, MEPIS Linux, and Zenwalk Linux _also_ > merit higher> recommendation by that same reasoning? > > It was a simple question. Given that Linux Mint and> Ultimate Edition > are even _more_ suitable for 'simple end users' by Grant's> own criteria, > why isn't he urging _their_ use even more than he's urging> use of> Ubuntu? Not doing so would be illogical... ? - formatting of quote altered to reduce ugliness etc. - suitability to 'simple end users'; certainly reminds me of the literal tracts of Mr. Hubbards writings I found in the ' Gnome Human Interface Guidelines ' when the developers were referencing it's hundreds of pages to deflect all criticisms . Neither ' we target actual new users ' nor ' your not an actual usability expert ' held any water with my users disgust . And I absolutely detested finding passages of the filibuster that did address actual usability issues but claimed the opposite of Apple's classic usability studies . [ others have thoroughly exposed the hypocrisy of that Gnome document publicly , but now mysteriously hard to find online ] Please don't claim the new user territory when others do it much better . - sincerely trying to help new users ? Bruce PS. for some of my linux background see whatever google renamed the b.coston.googlepages.com to , now some googlesites variant . From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 5 20:11:28 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 20:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1338952288.27684.YahooMailRC@web83816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco. Info: www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net Joseph From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Thu Jun 7 10:35:53 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:35:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux wireless commands and more Message-ID: <4FD0E679.8040508@dslextreme.com> Found this on Usenet today and remembering how often I have seen people having problems with wireless as well as the problems I have had I decided to repost it here after checking the page. At the bottom of the page are links to several more interesting sounding bits of advice and you will have to scroll down a long way to find these listings. 20 Linux System Monitoring Tools Every SysAdmin Should Know 20 Linux Server Hardening Security Tips Linux: 20 Iptables Examples For New SysAdmins My 10 UNIX Command Line Mistakes 25 PHP Security Best Practices For Sys Admins The Novice Guide To Buying A Linux Laptop Top 5 Email Client For Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows Users Top 20 OpenSSH Server Best Security Practices Top 10 Open Source Web-Based Project Management Software From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Thu Jun 7 11:00:56 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:00:56 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] For SysAdmins upgrading of the hashing algorithm Message-ID: <4FD0EC58.4030405@dslextreme.com> This URL leads to an article about the need for upgrading the hashing algorithm and the means to accomplish that. If not using the two mentioned systems read the comments and you might find the needed advice. Hoping this will be helpful. Also it perhaps explains some of the extra requests for authentication I have seen lately. bliss From sundquistjames at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 13:17:46 2012 From: sundquistjames at gmail.com (James Sundquist) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:17:46 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] regular expression question Message-ID: So, I wrote some aliases that rely on user input that work just fine. alias h='history | grep $1" I tried doing the same thing for conducting quick google searches with the w3m pager, which can be used to browse text/html on the internet and is included on Ubuntu Server. $ w3m -dump -T text/html https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=news This will output the results of searching the term "news" on google's search to the display. Works like a charm alias w3mtest='w3m -dump -T text/html https://encrypted.google.com/search?q= "$1"' I add this alias to bashrc and execute it with the argument "news" and bash will not successfully interpret the input. It outputs the Google search page and an additional line reading 'w3m: Can't load news' I've written this as a function and it works perfectly. What is stopping this from working as an alias? I'd love to get a fresh perspective. I've gotten this concept to work in elinks by creating a bookmark for google search (g) and simply adding my search terms to the end of it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thenickjames at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 13:53:37 2012 From: thenickjames at gmail.com (Nick James) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:53:37 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] regular expression question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: According to this page http://ss64.com/bash/alias.html bash aliases do not accept arguments. Here is the direct quote "There is no mechanism for using arguments in the replacement text, as in csh. If arguments are needed, a shell function should be used". So it seems you were on the right track when you created a function to accomplish this task. You stated that alias h='history | grep $1" works as an alias but there is no guarantee that it will work every time. That is my understanding. So if you have any other aliases that take arguments, I would convert them over to a function. Hope that helped. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:17 PM, James Sundquist wrote: > So, I wrote some aliases that rely on user input that work just fine. > alias h='history | grep $1" > > I tried doing the same thing for conducting quick google searches with the > w3m pager, which can be used to browse text/html on the internet and is > included on Ubuntu Server. > > $ w3m -dump -T text/html https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=news > > This will output the results of searching the term "news" on google's > search to the display. Works like a charm > > alias w3mtest='w3m -dump -T text/html > https://encrypted.google.com/search?q="$1"' > > I add this alias to bashrc and execute it with the argument "news" and > bash will not successfully interpret the input. It outputs the Google > search page and an additional line reading 'w3m: Can't load news' > > I've written this as a function and it works perfectly. What is stopping > this from working as an alias? I'd love to get a fresh perspective. I've > gotten this concept to work in elinks by creating a bookmark for google > search (g) and simply adding my search terms to the end of it. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sean.channel at pacbell.net Fri Jun 8 14:04:42 2012 From: sean.channel at pacbell.net (Sean) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:04:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] regular expression question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FD268EA.5050301@pacbell.net> You do need a function to process positional arguments in bash, as you have found out like me the hard way. bash evaluates the meaning of $1 and other variables at the time the alias is defined, not when called later. Arguments you pass to an alias are simply appended to the command, so w3mtest gasoline turns into: w3m -dump -T text/html 'https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=' gasoline ..which yields only the aforementioned one-line and google search page. Defining this as a function worked fine; w3mtest() { w3m -dump -T text/html https://encrypted.google.com/search?q="$*" } HTH. _S On 06/08/2012 01:17 PM, James Sundquist wrote: > So, I wrote some aliases that rely on user input that work just fine. > alias h='history | grep $1" > > I tried doing the same thing for conducting quick google searches with the w3m > pager, which can be used to browse text/html on the internet and is included on > Ubuntu Server. > > $ w3m -dump -T text/html https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=news > > This will output the results of searching the term "news" on google's search > to the display. Works like a charm > > alias w3mtest='w3m -dump -T text/html https://encrypted.google.com/search?q="$1"' > > I add this alias to bashrc and execute it with the argument "news" and bash > will not successfully interpret the input. It outputs the Google search page > and an additional line reading 'w3m: Can't load news' > > I've written this as a function and it works perfectly. What is stopping this > from working as an alias? I'd love to get a fresh perspective. I've gotten > this concept to work in elinks by creating a bookmark for google search (g) and > simply adding my search terms to the end of it. > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 8 19:21:21 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:21:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] For SysAdmins upgrading of the hashing algorithm In-Reply-To: <4FD0EC58.4030405@dslextreme.com> References: <4FD0EC58.4030405@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20120609022121.GO5191@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > This URL leads to an article about the need for upgrading the > hashing algorithm and the means to accomplish that. > If not using the two mentioned systems read the comments > and you might find the needed advice. > > > > Hoping this will be helpful. > Also it perhaps explains some of the extra requests for authentication > I have seen lately. It's an interesting article, and thanks for the pointer. I can provide a bit of background, and also the reason why this probably has nothing to do with extra requests for authentication. Short version: There's a small benefit to reconfiguring Linux systems' user login authentication to store better hashes of user passwords. But not as much as you might think. Some folks might be interested in this matter because of recent theft and subsequent cracking of 6.4 million MD5 hashes of LinkedIn passwords that someone posted to a Web forum in Russia. The story goes, they were easy to crack because of LinkedIn's use of MD5 years after that hashing method was judged too weak to be safe -- and therefore it must be equally dangerous to use for user-login password hashes on Linux. Right? Well, no, not entirely. Definitely MD5 has been known to be weak since 2004, and people have been phasing it out. But that doesn't materially help someone trying to steal passwords from a Linux system. First, understand what a hash is. It's a 'one-way function' or 'fingerprint' value calculated from an input string -- usually shorter, so you can use the hash to stand in for the original input value (much like a checksum). An informal sort of hash might be referring to people by their initials, e.g. RM for me and BS for you. That's not a very good hash because of the high likelihood of interacting with other people sharing our initials, so saying you came to talk to RM doesn't make clear whether you're arriving for lunch with me or with Rachel McAdams. (This is called a 'hash collision'.) When you login, the system listens to the password you type in and recalculates the typed-in string's hash, then compares the calculated has against the stored value for your account. If the hashes match, you're allowed in. Stored where, you ask? Early in the history of Unix, hashes of password rather than the passwords were stored in /etc/passwd. At first, DES (Data Encryption Standard) hashes were put there. DES is a 56-bit block cipher and not very good because it's not very random and produces way too many 'collisions' -- generating the same hash for too many different passwords. So, that was changed to MD5, which was good enough for a long while, even though better, more random and thus more one-way (unique) hashes came along: SHA-1, SHA-256, SHA-512, Blowfish, and many more.[1] However, problem was, people shared Unix machines with each other, and there was always some joker who'd grab a copy of the shared /etc/passwd file -- which must be world-readable or software will break -- and uses a lot of computing power somewhere to run dictionaries full of words and word combinations through hashing calculations to see if any match the hashes in /etc/passwd. If you know what string, if hashed, produces a calculated hash, and match that calculation against a hash stored in /etc/passwd, you have just guessed what the password is. Note that this isn't decryption -- the hashing function cannot be run in reverse -- but is functionally equivalent to doing that. Two changes closed this security hole. The most important: Passwords were moved to new system file /etc/shadow, which is deliberately kept readable only by root. The user account remains defined in /etc/passwd, but the password itself is no longer there. The other change: salting. A 'salt' is a crypto nickname for a random text string of predetermined length prepended to a plaintext password just before it's hashed. The advantage is that someone who steals the hashed passwords somehow can no longer just bulk-hash dictionaries worth of words and do a simple match. Your password, even if you use the same one on many different systems, will end up with different hashes because of the salting. Have a look at your system's /etc/shadow file (using root authority), and you'll see a suffix in front of each stored password. It'll probably be '$1$' for most. That means MD5. '$6$' means SHA-512, which I've set as default on my own systems for a few years as part of the gradual move away from MD5. (You need to tweak /etc/pam.d/password-common and /etc/login.defs, to change default password hashing algorithm. SHA-512 is the installation default in recent distros.) Even those of us who started moving to SHA-512 some years ago tend to still have /etc/shadow entries starting with '$1$' hanging around -- because those predate the reconfig. And it's really not urgent. Why? Because anyone who steals your /etc/shadow file by definition has to have root-user authority already, which means you have a lot bigger problems than cracked passwords. Also, because the stored passwords are salted, it's pretty difficult (expensive, time-consuming) even for someone able to steal the /etc/shadow file to match plaintext on the entries. Rumour has it that the LinkedIn passwords were not stored salted, and obviously they weren't kept in very secure storage. If they'd been stored using a computationally more expensive hashing method like SHA-512 or Blowfish _and_ using salt, they would have been a great deal more difficult to match to plaintext, even ignoring the obviously poor security on hash storage. Hope that helps. Here's a pretty good article for further information: http://phpsec.org/articles/2005/password-hashing.html [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hash_functions#Cryptographic_hash_functions From bibayoff at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 19:50:28 2012 From: bibayoff at gmail.com (Steve M Bibayoff) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:50:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] For SysAdmins upgrading of the hashing algorithm In-Reply-To: <20120609022121.GO5191@linuxmafia.com> References: <4FD0EC58.4030405@dslextreme.com> <20120609022121.GO5191@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: Hello On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > [...]?If they'd been > stored using a computationally more expensive hashing method like > SHA-512 or Blowfish _and_ using salt, they would have been a great deal > more difficult to match to plaintext, even ignoring the obviously poor > security on hash storage. Which brings up somewhat of a debate I've been trying to start for a few years. Having individual salts for EACH password. When you have millions of users, even with a salt, it's real easy to pick out the bad passwords(think "password", or in the case on linkedin "link"), because they all have the same hash. Just pick out the identical hashes that are used most, and chances are it's an easy to guess, dictionary password. But, with each password having it's own salt, even with a really bad password, it would be hard to single them out because the hashes would all be different. Of course Rick's comment about being able to grab the shadow file does mean game is over on that system. m2c Steve From mhigashi at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 22:02:36 2012 From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:02:36 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] For SysAdmins upgrading of the hashing algorithm In-Reply-To: <20120609022121.GO5191@linuxmafia.com> References: <4FD0EC58.4030405@dslextreme.com> <20120609022121.GO5191@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > Here's a pretty good article for further information: > http://phpsec.org/articles/2005/password-hashing.html > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hash_functions#Cryptographic_hash_functions I like the comprehensive explanation of password hashing in Unix systems that's in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypt_(Unix) Mike From lyz at princessleia.com Sun Jun 10 13:20:27 2012 From: lyz at princessleia.com (Elizabeth Krumbach) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:20:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Wednesday, June 13th: San Francisco Ubuntu Hour and Bay Area Debian Meeting Message-ID: Hi everyone, Just like in April, we've decided to sync up the monthly San Francisco Ubuntu Hour with the 2nd Wednesday date of the Bay Area Debian Meeting, to offer an evening of Ubuntu and Debian! So this Wednesday, June 13th, the plan is as follows: First, from 6-7PM: San Francisco Ubuntu Hour Location: The Roastery, 199 New Montgomery Street, San Francisco Details: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1815/detail/ Then, from 7-9PM: Bay Area Debian Meeting Location: Henry's Hunan Restaurant, 110 Natoma Street, San Francisco Details: http://bad.debian.net/list/2012-June/003510.html So come out to the Ubuntu Hour and join us for dinner at the Bay Area Debian Meeting! To find us at both events, look for the people in the Linux shirts and the penguin, Squeeze and Wheezy stuffed toys. At Henry's Hunan we'll have reservations under "Bay Area Debian" Hope to see you there! -- Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 http://www.princessleia.com From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon Jun 11 09:06:12 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:06:12 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting next Monday 18 June 2012 & last meeting note. Message-ID: <4FD61774.2060105@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG meets every third Monday from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M. at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard. So the next meeting is a week from today on Monday June 18, 2012 from 6 P.M. to 8 P.M. nominally. (Nominally means if there are few people in attendance and nothing interesting we may leave at 07:30 P.M.) These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the year so far of 6 members. Last meeting included myself, Jim Stockford and Ken Schaeffer and wife. Ken brought along his Chumby as he had expected to run into another member who is interested. Most of the meeting seemed to be about Ken and I reminiscing about the ways we setup our Amiga computers (product of CBM) back in the day. Jim had no idea he told me, what were talking about when we discussed our use of rebootable ram disks containing the OS.* This was to speed up disk I/O over the floppy disks which were the mainstay of the early Amiga years. Hard disks were more expensive than memory at the time and memory was ferociously priced. Oh yes I had tried to setup my Mandriva Linux installation with an upgrade produced by the MIB at PlanetaLinux to 2010.3 but that proved to be inadequately tested and short of completion so that I eventually gave up and re-installed 2010.2. I saw no great improvement with the KDE 4.8.3 over KDE 4.4.5 and never managed to get the 3.2.x kernel supplied with this update working. Mandriva seems to be working on a 2012 release but... If you have a problem with your Linux installation, come along. We often can be of assistance but if not we can usually find someone who can assist you. Thanks for your attention. Bobbie Sellers *maybe it was the GUI Jim was baffled by but he can tell us if I have misreported this matter. bliss From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 11:59:23 2012 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:59:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] How to install Ubuntu One on WeTab (was: Re: how to disable screen dimming due to light sensor in exo-pc running ubuntu) In-Reply-To: <20120604173427.GB2430@shallowsky.com> References: <4FCC3BFC.2040207@gmail.com> <20120604173427.GB2430@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <4FD6400B.10602@gmail.com> I broke down and installed WeTab. This gives me full control over the screen brightness, but WeTab makes me very uncomfortable. I do appreciate the onscreen keyboard. It is quite workable. Do you know how I might install Ubuntu One on the WeTab? I use Ubuntu One to sync my main laptop and my spares, as well as my Android phone. I found a reference to an obscure package that someone created to install UOne on Fedora, but this only works for Fedora version 16, and for some reason my WeTab reports its version as 1. Probably this is an error, and it is reporting the WeTab version instead of the Fedora version on which WeTab is based, but I'm reluctant to manually change /etc/issue as it will probably break all kinds of other things. I'm not very familiar with Fedora. Any advice appreciated. How many of us are using the ExoPC? Perhaps we can all bring them to a meeting and compare likes and dislikes, and hopefully all learn from each other. Michael Michael Shiloh Artist, designer, tinkerer, teacher, geek KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com www.teachmetomake.com/wordpress teachmetomake.wordpress.com groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make michaelshiloh.pbworks.com On 06/04/2012 10:34 AM, Akkana Peck wrote: > Michael Shiloh writes: >> 1) anyone running any flavor of ubuntu on an exo-pc? i'd love to >> exchange ideas. >> >> 2) exo-pc has a light sensor which automatically dims the screen in >> dim light. i want my screen bright all the time. how can i disable >> the automatic dimming? >> >> my absolutely horrible hack using xbacklight is: > [running xbacklight in a continuous loop, ick] > > I have run Ubuntu on the ExoPC, but had some issues and ended up > putting WeTab on it: http://wetab.mobi/en > It's open source and made specifically for the ExoPC hardware, > and it's remarkably usable, much better than Ubuntu Ocelot. > > They seem to have found a solution for the backlight problem, > so if you want an Ubuntu solution, you might be able to poke around > and figure out how WeTab solved it. > > Another thing to try: the Valerie Aurora webcam patch. > http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2008/12/07/a-band-aid-solution/ > If nothing else, it should stop the flickering and keep the display > set at a constant setting ... but it might not be the 100% setting. > > ...Akkana > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From a_kleider at yahoo.com Mon Jun 11 20:15:27 2012 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix Message-ID: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've just come across some puzzling behavior as follows. index.html (parent page) contains an href to a file in the same directory. Whether the referenced file is called index.khan or k1.html makes no difference if I test locally (i.e. point browser @ file:///home/alex/BookSite/index.html and then click on the link) but once uploaded to the server, if that file doesn't have the suffix '.html', the browser/server relationship breaks down and I get a notice that my link is to a bin file and I am given the option to save it but it won't display. Should I have expected this? I'm using lighttpd as the server running Debian/Lenny on a DreamPlug (arm processor) and firefox under Ubuntu 12.04 as browser on my laptop. I'm curious to know who (I assume it must be the server) decides the file type, and if it is the server, perhaps this is a configuration issue.? I'm using lighttpd simply because it comes by default on the DreamPlug. I've never run into anything like this before although I can't specifically remember if I've ever tried using an html file that wasn't named with the '.html' suffix. alex a_kleider at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jackofnotrades at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 20:44:29 2012 From: jackofnotrades at gmail.com (Jeff Bragg) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:44:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix In-Reply-To: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Perhaps lighttpd default MIME-type settings (or more specifically, lack thereof)? I don't know lighttpd well, but perhaps http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/Mimetype.assignDetailshas some relevant answers. It doesn't necessarily help, if you can't change the configuration, but perhaps at least makes the behavior more understandable. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Alex Kleider wrote: > I've just come across some puzzling behavior as follows. > index.html (parent page) contains an href to a file in the same directory. > Whether the referenced file is called index.khan or k1.html makes no > difference if I test locally (i.e. point browser @ > file:///home/alex/BookSite/index.html and then click on the link) but once > uploaded to the server, if that file doesn't have the suffix '.html', the > browser/server relationship breaks down and I get a notice that my link is > to a bin file and I am given the option to save it but it won't display. > Should I have expected this? > I'm using lighttpd as the server running Debian/Lenny on a DreamPlug (arm > processor) and firefox under Ubuntu 12.04 as browser on my laptop. I'm > curious to know who (I assume it must be the server) decides the file type, > and if it is the server, perhaps this is a configuration issue. I'm using > lighttpd simply because it comes by default on the DreamPlug. I've never > run into anything like this before although I can't specifically remember > if I've ever tried using an html file that wasn't named with the '.html' > suffix. > alex > > a_kleider at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -- There Are More Than Two Ways To Do It -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Mon Jun 11 21:53:07 2012 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:53:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix In-Reply-To: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1339476787.8036.33.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Sorry, I don't follow your description. It seems that * In somedir/ on your local computer there's index.html and otherfile. * In the index.html file there's an href to otherfile. * If you use your browser to open index.html and then click the link to otherfile, otherfile opens as you expect. -- Seems to me that otherfile is a valid html file, yes? assuming so, * It seems you want to upload the index.html file and otherfile to a web server system, yes? -- This seems problematic: for any directory, web servers default to a file with a name that begins with index. and, depending on the web server design, with subsequent characters such as html or php or some other. (as a matter of formality, a Linux filename has no sub-structures such as .exe or .bat or other as far as the filesystem goes.) So your uploading should not overwrite any existing file with the name index.html and there's the possibility of contention if the directory has a file such as index.php as well as your (newly uploaded) file named index.html. I think. Also there's the matter of permissions: does your index.html file have executable permissions? -- Also (assuming I've described things correctly), what does this have to do with otherfile or otherfile with this? Let me know where I've fallen off your truck--correct my description, please. On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 20:15 -0700, Alex Kleider wrote: > I've just come across some puzzling behavior as follows. > index.html (parent page) contains an href to a file in the same > directory. > Whether the referenced file is called index.khan or k1.html makes no > difference if I test locally (i.e. point browser @ > file:///home/alex/BookSite/index.html and then click on the link) but > once uploaded to the server, if that file doesn't have the suffix > '.html', the browser/server relationship breaks down and I get a > notice that my link is to a bin file and I am given the option to save > it but it won't display. > Should I have expected this? > I'm using lighttpd as the server running Debian/Lenny on a DreamPlug > (arm processor) and firefox under Ubuntu 12.04 as browser on my > laptop. I'm curious to know who (I assume it must be the server) > decides the file type, and if it is the server, perhaps this is a > configuration issue. I'm using lighttpd simply because it comes by > default on the DreamPlug. I've never run into anything like this > before although I can't specifically remember if I've ever tried using > an html file that wasn't named with the '.html' suffix. > alex > > a_kleider at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jun 11 22:00:24 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:00:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix In-Reply-To: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120612050023.GY5191@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com): > I've just come across some puzzling behavior as follows. > index.html (parent page) contains an href to a file in the same directory. > Whether the referenced file is called index.khan or k1.html makes no > difference if I test locally (i.e. point browser @ > file:///home/alex/BookSite/index.html and then click on the link) but > once uploaded to the server, if that file doesn't have the suffix > '.html', the browser/server relationship breaks down and I get a > notice that my link is to a bin file and I am given the option to save > it but it won't display. Should I have expected this? In a word, yes. /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf will have a set of 'mimetype.assign' directives by filename extension. If you really need to, you can add additional mappings, but it'd be better if you just used conventional filename extensions. FWIW, you probably also have these lines in it, which control what files, if present, as parsed as a directory's index file and shown to the user: # files to check for if .../ is requested server.indexfiles = ( "index.php", "index.html", "index.htm", "default.htm" ) From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jun 11 22:03:12 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:03:12 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix In-Reply-To: References: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120612050312.GZ5191@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jeff Bragg (jackofnotrades at gmail.com): > Perhaps lighttpd default MIME-type settings (or more specifically, lack > thereof)? I don't know lighttpd well, but perhaps > http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/Mimetype.assignDetailshas > some relevant answers. Here's an example set of those from a lighttpd.conf file, FYI: # mimetype mapping mimetype.assign = ( ".pdf" => "application/pdf", ".sig" => "application/pgp-signature", ".spl" => "application/futuresplash", ".class" => "application/octet-stream", ".ps" => "application/postscript", ".torrent" => "application/x-bittorrent", ".dvi" => "application/x-dvi", ".gz" => "application/x-gzip", ".pac" => "application/x-ns-proxy-autoconfig", ".swf" => "application/x-shockwave-flash", ".tar.gz" => "application/x-tgz", ".tgz" => "application/x-tgz", ".tar" => "application/x-tar", ".zip" => "application/zip", ".mp3" => "audio/mpeg", ".m3u" => "audio/x-mpegurl", ".wma" => "audio/x-ms-wma", ".wax" => "audio/x-ms-wax", ".ogg" => "audio/x-wav", ".wav" => "audio/x-wav", ".gif" => "image/gif", ".jpg" => "image/jpeg", ".jpeg" => "image/jpeg", ".png" => "image/png", ".xbm" => "image/x-xbitmap", ".xpm" => "image/x-xpixmap", ".xwd" => "image/x-xwindowdump", ".css" => "text/css", ".html" => "text/html", ".shtml" => "text/html", ".htm" => "text/html", ".js" => "text/javascript", ".asc" => "text/plain", ".c" => "text/plain", ".conf" => "text/plain", ".text" => "text/plain", ".txt" => "text/plain", ".dtd" => "text/xml", ".xml" => "text/xml", ".mpeg" => "video/mpeg", ".mpg" => "video/mpeg", ".mov" => "video/quicktime", ".qt" => "video/quicktime", ".avi" => "video/x-msvideo", ".asf" => "video/x-ms-asf", ".asx" => "video/x-ms-asf", ".wmv" => "video/x-ms-wmv" ) From a_kleider at yahoo.com Tue Jun 12 06:21:36 2012 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix In-Reply-To: <20120612050312.GZ5191@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1339507296.71975.YahooMailClassic@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes, this must be the explanation: the server (lightthd) is 'deciding' the file type based on suffix (not one that it can interpret, in my case) and so my browser doesn't know what to do with it and asks me. If instead I use the 'correct' suffix, all is well. Thank you Rick and Jeff. a_kleider at yahoo.com --- On Mon, 6/11/12, Rick Moen wrote: From: Rick Moen Subject: Re: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 10:03 PM Quoting Jeff Bragg (jackofnotrades at gmail.com): > Perhaps lighttpd default MIME-type settings (or more specifically, lack > thereof)?? I don't know lighttpd well, but perhaps > http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/Mimetype.assignDetailshas > some relevant answers. Here's an example set of those from a lighttpd.conf file, FYI: # mimetype mapping mimetype.assign? ? ? ? ? ? = (? ? ".pdf"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/pdf", ? ".sig"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/pgp-signature", ? ".spl"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/futuresplash", ? ".class"? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/octet-stream", ? ".ps"? ? ? ? ???=>? ? ? "application/postscript", ? ".torrent"? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/x-bittorrent", ? ".dvi"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/x-dvi", ? ".gz"? ? ? ? ???=>? ? ? "application/x-gzip", ? ".pac"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/x-ns-proxy-autoconfig", ? ".swf"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/x-shockwave-flash", ? ".tar.gz"? ? ???=>? ? ? "application/x-tgz", ? ".tgz"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/x-tgz", ? ".tar"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/x-tar", ? ".zip"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "application/zip", ? ".mp3"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "audio/mpeg", ? ".m3u"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "audio/x-mpegurl", ? ".wma"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "audio/x-ms-wma", ? ".wax"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "audio/x-ms-wax", ? ".ogg"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "audio/x-wav", ? ".wav"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "audio/x-wav", ? ".gif"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "image/gif", ? ".jpg"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "image/jpeg", ? ".jpeg"? ? ? ???=>? ? ? "image/jpeg", ? ".png"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "image/png", ? ".xbm"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "image/x-xbitmap", ? ".xpm"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "image/x-xpixmap", ? ".xwd"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "image/x-xwindowdump", ? ".css"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "text/css", ? ".html"? ? ? ???=>? ? ? "text/html", ? ".shtml"? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "text/html", ? ".htm"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "text/html", ? ".js"? ? ? ? ???=>? ? ? "text/javascript", ? ".asc"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "text/plain", ? ".c"? ? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "text/plain", ? ".conf"? ? ? ???=>? ? ? "text/plain", ? ".text"? ? ? ???=>? ? ? "text/plain", ? ".txt"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "text/plain", ? ".dtd"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "text/xml", ? ".xml"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "text/xml", ? ".mpeg"? ? ? ???=>? ? ? "video/mpeg", ? ".mpg"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "video/mpeg", ? ".mov"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "video/quicktime", ? ".qt"? ? ? ? ???=>? ? ? "video/quicktime", ? ".avi"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "video/x-msvideo", ? ".asf"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "video/x-ms-asf", ? ".asx"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "video/x-ms-asf", ? ".wmv"? ? ? ? ? =>? ? ? "video/x-ms-wmv" ) _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 12 12:30:05 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1339529405.36359.YahooMailRC@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco. Info: www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net Joseph From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 12 16:10:19 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:10:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix In-Reply-To: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1339470927.24461.YahooMailClassic@web162405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120612231019.GH5191@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com): > I'm using lighttpd simply because it comes by default on the > DreamPlug. Give 'Lighty' a chance, by the way. In my experience, it fills a pleasant middle ground: not as featureful as Apache httpd, but a great deal smaller and faster. From a_kleider at yahoo.com Tue Jun 12 17:05:43 2012 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix In-Reply-To: <20120612231019.GH5191@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1339545943.17022.YahooMailClassic@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the tip, Rick.? "lighttpd" was the first web server I tried (as a result of a suggestion from someone I ran into at Noisebridge, don't remember who) and it served me well, but when the computer on which it was running began to give me problems, I found that when ever I asked questions, instead of any attempt at helpful answers, I got negative comments about lighttpd and advice to only consider Apache2.? So I did, and now I find myself back with lighttpd and based on your comments, I'll stick with it. The next thing I'd like to try is to set up "name-based virtual hosts" (as opposed to virtual interfaces) and I've read that lighttpd can do this and that to do so might be even easier on lighttpd than it is on Apache. I've also considered nginx although haven't got to the point of installing it to try it out. I found the books about it a bit daunting for my level of expertise. It sounds as though nginx might be more appropriate for installations much bigger than anything I'll ever run. alex a_kleider at yahoo.com --- On Tue, 6/12/12, Rick Moen wrote: From: Rick Moen Subject: Re: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2012, 4:10 PM Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com): > I'm using lighttpd simply because it comes by default on the > DreamPlug. Give 'Lighty' a chance, by the way.? In my experience, it fills a pleasant middle ground:? not as featureful as Apache httpd, but a great deal smaller and faster. _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 12 18:57:57 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:57:57 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix In-Reply-To: <1339545943.17022.YahooMailClassic@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120612231019.GH5191@linuxmafia.com> <1339545943.17022.YahooMailClassic@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120613015757.GZ3826@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com): > Thanks for the tip, Rick.? "lighttpd" was the first web server I > tried (as a result of a suggestion from someone I ran into at > Noisebridge, don't remember who) and it served me well, but when the > computer on which it was running began to give me problems, I found > that when ever I asked questions, instead of any attempt at helpful > answers, I got negative comments about lighttpd and advice to only > consider Apache2.? So I did, and now I find myself back with lighttpd > and based on your comments, I'll stick with it. Some people feel obliged to bash what they're less familiar with, I guess. There certainly are situations where Apache httpd makes more sense, including but not limited to ones where you intend to lean on the expertise of Apache admins. OTOH, Lighty's scaled better for a plug computer. > The next thing I'd like to try is to set up "name-based virtual hosts" > (as opposed to virtual interfaces) and I've read that lighttpd can do > this and that to do so might be even easier on lighttpd than it is on > Apache. Yeah, now, case in point: If you were intending to ask the next server admin for an example of such a config and bumped into me, I could mail you an Apache httpd one, but not one for Lighty as I've never tackled that problem. On the other hand, it's probably not difficult. > I've also considered nginx although haven't got to the point of installing > it to try it out. I found the books about it a bit daunting for my > level of expertise. It sounds as though nginx might be more appropriate > for installations much bigger than anything I'll ever run. Pretty much. Standard use case for nginx is that you're planning to run some large, ponderous back-end Web server for content -- say, Java servlets or Ruby on Rails -- and need a front-end HTTP reverse proxy server (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_proxy) to speed up the user experience. nginx will do that. There are also other uses. From sean.channel at pacbell.net Wed Jun 13 08:24:41 2012 From: sean.channel at pacbell.net (Sean) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:24:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] need for .html suffix In-Reply-To: <20120613015757.GZ3826@linuxmafia.com> References: <20120612231019.GH5191@linuxmafia.com> <1339545943.17022.YahooMailClassic@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120613015757.GZ3826@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4FD8B0B9.8080104@pacbell.net> I, too, have not tried virtual hosts, though lighttpd-doc includes some short write-ups; please see attached 'simple-vhost' and 'evhost'. Agreed re: nginx. HTH. _S On 06/12/2012 06:57 PM, Rick Moen wrote: >> The next thing I'd like to try is to set up "name-based virtual hosts" >> (as opposed to virtual interfaces) and I've read that lighttpd can do >> this and that to do so might be even easier on lighttpd than it is on >> Apache. > > Yeah, now, case in point: If you were intending to ask the next server > admin for an example of such a config and bumped into me, I could mail > you an Apache httpd one, but not one for Lighty as I've never tackled > that problem. On the other hand, it's probably not difficult. > >> I've also considered nginx although haven't got to the point of installing >> it to try it out. I found the books about it a bit daunting for my >> level of expertise. It sounds as though nginx might be more appropriate >> for installations much bigger than anything I'll ever run. > > Pretty much. Standard use case for nginx is that you're planning to run > some large, ponderous back-end Web server for content -- say, Java > servlets or Ruby on Rails -- and need a front-end HTTP reverse proxy > server (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_proxy) to speed up the > user experience. nginx will do that. There are also other uses. -------------- next part -------------- ====================== Simple Virtual-Hosting ====================== ------------------------ Module: mod_simple_vhost ------------------------ :Author: Jan Kneschke :Date: $Date: 2004/08/29 09:43:49 $ :Revision: $Revision: 1.1 $ :abstract: virtual hosting .. meta:: :keywords: lighttpd, virtual hosting .. contents:: Table of Contents Description =========== Simple assumption: Every virtual host is in a directory below a base directory in a path that is the same as the name of the vhost. Below this vhost path might be an extra directory which is the document root of the vhost. The document root for each vhost is built from three values: - server-root - hostname - document-root The complete document root is constructed either by :: server-root + hostname + document-root or if this path does not exist by :: server-root + default-host + document-root A small example should make this idea clear: :: /var/www/ /var/www/logs/ /var/www/servers/ /var/www/servers/www.example.org/ /var/www/servers/www.example.org/lib/ /var/www/servers/www.example.org/pages/ /var/www/servers/mail.example.org/ /var/www/servers/mail.example.org/lib/ /var/www/servers/mail.example.org/pages/ simple-vhost.server-root = "/var/www/servers/" simple-vhost.default-host = "www.example.org" simple-vhost.document-root = "pages" You can use symbolic links to map several hostnames to the same directory. Conditionals vs. simple-vhost ----------------------------- You have to keep in mind that conditionals and simple-vhost interfere with one another. :: simple-vhost.server-root = "/var/www/servers/" simple-vhost.default-host = "www.example.org" simple-vhost.document-root = "pages" $HTTP["host"] == "news.example.org" { server.document-root = "/var/www/servers/news2.example.org/pages/" } When ``news.example.org`` is requested, the ``server.document-root`` will be set to ``/var/www/servers/news2.example.org/pages/``, but simple-vhost will overwrite it shortly afterwards. If ``/var/www/servers/news.example.org/pages/`` exists, that will be used. If not, ``/var/www/servers/www.example.org/pages/`` will be taken because it is the default. To use conditionals together with simple-vhost, you should do this: :: $HTTP["host"] !~ "^(news\.example\.org)$" { simple-vhost.server-root = "/var/www/servers/" simple-vhost.default-host = "www.example.org" simple-vhost.document-root = "pages" } $HTTP["host"] == "news.example.org" { server.document-root = "/var/www/servers/news2.example.org/pages/" } It will enable simple vhosting for all hosts other than ``news.example.org``. Options ======= simple-vhost.server-root root of the virtual host simple-vhost.default-host use this hostname if the requested hostname does not have its own directory simple-vhost.document-root path below the vhost directory -------------- next part -------------- ======================== Enhanced Virtual-Hosting ======================== ------------------ Module: mod_evhost ------------------ :Author: Jan Kneschke :Date: $Date: 2004/08/29 09:43:49 $ :Revision: $Revision: 1.1 $ :abstract: virtual hosting .. meta:: :keywords: lighttpd, virtual hosting .. contents:: Table of Contents Description =========== mod_evhost builds the document-root based on a pattern which contains wildcards. Those wildcards can represent parts if the submitted hostname :: %% => % sign %0 => domain name + tld %1 => tld %2 => domain name without tld %3 => subdomain 1 name %4 => subdomain 2 name %_ => the complete hostname (without port info) evhost.path-pattern = "/home/www/servers/%3/pages/" Options ======= evhost.path-pattern pattern with wildcards to be replace to build a documentroot From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 11:08:54 2012 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:08:54 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] a fascinating read: The Architecture of Open Source Applications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FD8D736.4080905@gmail.com> From the website: Architects look at thousands of buildings during their training, and study critiques of those buildings written by masters. In contrast, most software developers only ever get to know a handful of large programs well?usually programs they wrote themselves?and never study the great programs of history. As a result, they repeat one another's mistakes rather than building on one another's successes. Our goal is to change that. In these two books, the authors of four dozen open source applications explain how their software is structured, and why. What are each program's major components? How do they interact? And what did their builders learn during their development? In answering these questions, the contributors to these books provide unique insights into how they think. If you are a junior developer, and want to learn how your more experienced colleagues think, these books are the place to start. If you are an intermediate or senior developer, and want to see how your peers have solved hard design problems, these books can help you too. Michael Shiloh Artist, designer, tinkerer, teacher, geek KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com www.teachmetomake.com/wordpress teachmetomake.wordpress.com groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make michaelshiloh.pbworks.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [TOS] I must make time to read these Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:12:07 -0700 From: tosmail20110729.neophyte_rep at ordinaryamerican.net Reply-To: tosmail20110729.neophyte_rep at ordinaryamerican.net, Discussions about Teaching Open Source To: tos at teachingopensource.org The Architecture of Open Source Applications http://www.aosabook.org/ _______________________________________________ tos mailing list tos at teachingopensource.org http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 13 17:39:48 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:39:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] For SysAdmins upgrading of the hashing algorithm In-Reply-To: <20120609022121.GO5191@linuxmafia.com> References: <4FD0EC58.4030405@dslextreme.com> <20120609022121.GO5191@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20120614003948.GA31335@linuxmafia.com> A few days ago, I wrote: > Some folks might be interested in this matter because of recent theft > and subsequent cracking of 6.4 million MD5 hashes of LinkedIn passwords > that someone posted to a Web forum in Russia. The story goes, they were > easy to crack because of LinkedIn's use of MD5 years after that hashing > method was judged too weak to be safe -- and therefore it must be > equally dangerous to use for user-login password hashes on Linux. [...] > Rumour has it that the LinkedIn passwords were not stored salted, and > obviously they weren't kept in very secure storage. If they'd been > stored using a computationally more expensive hashing method like > SHA-512 or Blowfish _and_ using salt, they would have been a great deal > more difficult to match to plaintext, even ignoring the obviously poor > security on hash storage. Correction: According to a very informative EFF article, it was unsalted SHA-1 hashes, not unsalted MD5 ones. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/06/passwords-linkedin-and-beyond The article doesn't actually say very much about the LinkedIn incident, but has lots of sound practical recommendations about passwords. Which makes sense: EFF's trying to help users, and there's not a lot EFF can do about a company like LinkedIn making the dumb decision to store password hashes without using the 'salt' modification. It's out of the users' hands -- whereas, good password practices are very much in their hands. The point about 'salt' is that it defeats attackers ability to build a single huge table of, say, SHA-1 hashes of dictionary words and of other strings likely to be used for passwords, and just bulk-comparing stolen hash contents against the table. As a fine point, Steve Bibayoff, that is also why there's no real gain from using per-account individual salts within a system: By salting the hashes for the system as a whole, you are already defeating the attackers' ability to precalculate a mammoth table. From david at sterryit.com Wed Jun 13 20:07:37 2012 From: david at sterryit.com (David Sterry) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:07:37 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] For SysAdmins upgrading of the hashing algorithm In-Reply-To: <20120614003948.GA31335@linuxmafia.com> References: <4FD0EC58.4030405@dslextreme.com> <20120609022121.GO5191@linuxmafia.com> <20120614003948.GA31335@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4FD95579.2020002@sterryit.com> On 06/13/2012 05:39 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > As a fine point, Steve Bibayoff, that is also why there's no real gain > from using per-account individual salts within a system: By salting the > hashes for the system as a whole, you are already defeating the > attackers' ability to precalculate a mammoth table. I would say there is a gain and it will become more relevant over time to have dynamic salt. In the case where one salt is used for all users, the attacker must only generate a single new rainbow table. This is something that is speeding up with the use of GPUs and FPGAs to calculate hashes. Using a dynamic salt means it just doesn't make sense to create a rainbow table any more. To further strengthen password storage, some systems use many rounds of hashing. This means each try, even knowing the salt, will require as many rounds as the developer chooses. Furthermore, the number of rounds can be seamlessly increased as hashing hardware gets faster. I've taken a personal interest in this as I've been involved with Bitcoin ventures where there is a) direct financial gain for an attacker who cracks a password and b) growing knowledge about building hardware to calculate hashes quickly. -David From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jun 14 00:23:09 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:23:09 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] For SysAdmins upgrading of the hashing algorithm In-Reply-To: <4FD95579.2020002@sterryit.com> References: <4FD0EC58.4030405@dslextreme.com> <20120609022121.GO5191@linuxmafia.com> <20120614003948.GA31335@linuxmafia.com> <4FD95579.2020002@sterryit.com> Message-ID: <20120614072308.GQ5191@linuxmafia.com> Quoting David Sterry (david at sterryit.com): > I would say there is a gain and it will become more relevant over time > to have dynamic salt. So, make the case and do the math (not to _me_). You might influence the direction of future *ix architecture. You might even get thanked. (It could happen. ;-> ) This is an area where real-world concerns are everything, and theoretical arguments tend to get ignored. (I'm sure you know that, but I'm mentioning it for others' benefit.) From sundquistjames at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 13:14:01 2012 From: sundquistjames at gmail.com (James Sundquist) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:14:01 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Writing a wrapper script Message-ID: The following is a scriptfor dealing with encrypted partitions. What I'm curious about is the last section on creating "a trivial wrapper script" in order to avoid inputting options. I'd love some clarification on how this works using regular expressions. I don't plan to use the intended ecryptfs-simple, but I'd love to wrap my own scripts. Thanks! > Enter ecryptfs-simple . > It lets a regular user mount any encrypted directory on any other directory > as long as the user has full access permissions on both. It also prevents > mounting on top of mount points and unmounting non-eCryptfs mount points. > The usage is as simple as it gets: > > # mount foo on bar > ecryptfs-simple foo bar > > # unmount bar > ecryptfs-simple bar > > # mount foo on bar with options to skip most of the mount helper dialogue (options can be found in "man ecryptfs") > ecryptfs-simple foo bar key=passphrase,ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=16,ecryptfs_enable_filename_crypto=y > > That's it. > > If you don't want to pass the options every time, write a trivial wrapper > script with your own options. Using the above example: > > #!/bin/sh > ecryptfs-simple "$1" "$2" key=passphrase,ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=16,ecryptfs_enable_filename_crypto=y > > ------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't plan to use the intended ecryptfs-simple, but I'd > love to wrap my own scripts. Thanks! > >> Enter ecryptfs-simple. >> It lets a regular user mount any encrypted directory on any other directory >> as long as the user has full access permissions on both. It also prevents >> mounting on top of mount points and unmounting non-eCryptfs mount points. >> The usage is as simple as it gets: >> >> # mount foo on bar >> ecryptfs-simple foo bar >> >> # unmount bar >> ecryptfs-simple bar >> >> # mount foo on bar with options to skip most of the mount helper dialogue (options can be found in "man ecryptfs") >> ecryptfs-simple foo bar key=passphrase,ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=16,ecryptfs_enable_filename_crypto=y >> >> That's it. >> >> If you don't want to pass the options every time, write a trivial wrapper >> script with your own options. 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URL: From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri Jun 15 17:05:13 2012 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:05:13 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG: Tu 2012-06-19: Rasperry Pi presented by Allan Cecil; & other BALUG news Message-ID: <20120615170513.510038kn6uzfrrac@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG: Tu 2012-06-19: Rasperry Pi presented by Allan Cecil; & other BALUG news ------------------------------ items, details further below: 2012-06-19 at BALUG: Raspberry Pi, presented by Allan Cecil Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. volunteering to help BALUG ------------------------------ For our 2012-06-19 meeting BALUG is proud to present: Raspberry Pi[1], presented by Allan Cecil A Raspberry Pi[1] is a low power $35 Linux PC the size of a deck of cards with powerful features including hardware-accelerated h.264 video playback at 1080p. In this talk, Allan will present an overview of the educational mission of the Raspberry Pi Foundation[2], available hardware variants and accessories, precompiled Linux distributions, and a live demo including a demonstration of XBMC playing back HD video. Allan Cecil is the Vice President of the North Bay Linux Users Group[3] and a Test Engineer for Cyan, Inc.[4] in Petaluma[5]. 1. http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs 2. http://www.raspberrypi.org/about 3. http://www.nblug.org/ 4. http://cyaninc.com/ 5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petaluma,_California So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, June 19th, 2012 2012-06-19 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue). ------------------------------ Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ CDs, and other "door prizes", etc. Goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ volunteering to help BALUG Want to volunteer to help out BALUG? (quite a variety of opportunities) Drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org Or come talk to us at a BALUG meeting. ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon Jun 18 09:47:41 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:47:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] demo at meeting tonite Message-ID: <4FDF5BAD.9000609@dslextreme.com> Good Day LUGgers Hope to be able to demonstrate the Tech Preview version of Mandriva 2012 with KDE 4.8.4 and Kernel 3.4.x. Failing that if someone who understands more perfectly the way to set up a dual boot of two versions of Linux shows up you could provide me some guidance. Hope to see you there. Bobbie Sellers From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon Jun 18 12:44:21 2012 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:44:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG: TOMORROW: Tu 2012-06-19: Rasperry Pi presented by Allan Cecil Message-ID: <20120618124421.10873605necrzm0w@webmail.rawbw.com> Reminder, TOMORROW: Tu 2012-06-19: For our 2012-06-19 meeting BALUG is proud to present: Raspberry Pi[1], presented by Allan Cecil A Raspberry Pi[1] is a low power $35 Linux PC the size of a deck of cards with powerful features including hardware-accelerated h.264 video playback at 1080p. In this talk, Allan will present an overview of the educational mission of the Raspberry Pi Foundation[2], available hardware variants and accessories, precompiled Linux distributions, and a live demo including a demonstration of XBMC playing back HD video. Allan Cecil is the Vice President of the North Bay Linux Users Group[3] and a Test Engineer for Cyan, Inc.[4] in Petaluma[5]. 1. http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs 2. http://www.raspberrypi.org/about 3. http://www.nblug.org/ 4. http://cyaninc.com/ 5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petaluma,_California So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, June 19th, 2012 2012-06-19 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue). ------------------------------ other bits for tomorrow and other BALUG news: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2012-June/000190.html ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Mon Jun 18 17:06:40 2012 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:06:40 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] C programming on Linux starting Tuesday, 6/19, from 6 to 7:30 Message-ID: <1340064400.3593.59.camel@jim-LAPTOP> We're starting up the C programming on Linux beginning Tuesday June 19 from 6 to 7:30 PM and every Tuesday at that time. Where? Turing classroom. The first few classes emphasize fundamentals of the C programming language and the gcc compiler. The content is somewhat different from the usual approach, beginning with emphasis on the compiler design and data keywords and syntax. If interest arises, we can branch into assembly language and int 0x80 Linux system calls, a point of view that helps clarify the workings of the compiler and your compiled code. From jane_ikari at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 01:40:40 2012 From: jane_ikari at yahoo.com (bruce coston) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] 1 easy way to dual / multi - boot linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1340095240.13324.YahooMailClassic@web164506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My best trick to do that was adding a small buntu type install as the last distro . Today I would try exeGNUlinux.net as my last distro installed to get an inclusive grub1 install that lets me boot everything . Re. :" --- On Mon, 6/18/12, sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com wrote:... way to set up a dual boot of two versions of Linux...Bobbie Sellers " - Bruce From jbpuig at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 19 11:47:40 2012 From: jbpuig at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Puig) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Reminder - SF-LUG LSG Linux Discussion at Noisebridge Message-ID: <1340131660.53491.YahooMailRC@web83801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The SF-LUG Linux Study Group hosts a general Linux Discussion meeting at Noisebridge on Wednesday evenings, from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (or so) in the Turing classroom. Noisebridge is located at 2169 Mission Street, very near 18th Street, in San Francisco. Info: www.sf-lug.com and www.noisebridge.net Joseph From Markdude at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 20 10:53:09 2012 From: Markdude at fedoraproject.org (Mark Terranova) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:53:09 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Geeknic this Sat Message-ID: Hello, you are all invited to Walnut Creek this Saturday for a great picnic at Heather Farms starting at 12 noon. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F17_Bay_Area Facebook page here https://www.facebook.com/events/300921919994599/ You can take BART to WC and call us for a ride @510 228-4646 Food, meat and vegetarian, and fun times. Stickers, temp tattoos, and other SWAG - including $100+ worth of USB drives Organised by Bay Area Mentoring Fedorans - BAMF https://www.facebook.com/groups/245698028818816/ join - even if you are just interested in Linux, or the awesome Freedoms Fedora protects :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sun Jun 24 10:24:57 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:24:57 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] a summers day with Mandriva 2011 install Message-ID: <4FE74D69.7020305@dslextreme.com> Hi LUGers, Yesterday was not too hot but it was beautiful and clear here in San Francisco as the people wanting to sell stuff to celebrants at the Gay Pride Days were bustling to setup down on the Civic Center and adjacent spaces including the UN Plaza. When I woke up I found via md5sum that the 2nd 8 hour download of my paid for mandriva-linux-PWP-2011-x86_64.iso was not corrupted! I wrote it to a DVD and started the installation. But at 10 AM had to take off for a set of errands. I did my errands and got home about Noon to fix lunch then sat down at the computer and began to work on making my upgrade of Mandriva PowerPack 2011 look usable. It would have been easier if I had done a clean install but I did not. So I had several competing configurations because I did not create a new /home directory or partition. I finally got it all straightened out and am glad that I was able to easily install my printer as Ethernet-connected and that it is in the database of the software these days. To get to that point I fiddled for hours, finally changing the display manager to XDM and the controlling tool to OpenBox. After that I could unlock the Desktop Settings configuration tool and get the loose widgets and icons off the desktop. During the process I finally gave up on fixing the stuff I had working under 2010.2 Mandriva PowerPack. By the way I was not calm. I got very upset and very involved with the whole thing and finally with catching up on my received email and my Usenet postings. At 7:30 PM I finally woke up and remembered to fix and eat my supper. I had to take a couple of different batches of medications and supplements, one of which was due at 5 PM. So ate a lot over the next hour and a half. This morning was much more pleasant except no one is posting to the SF-LUG list so I toss in my experiences mostly indoors, during a lovely summer day. bliss From rick at rbsmith.com Mon Jun 25 05:27:21 2012 From: rick at rbsmith.com (Rick Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:27:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Bumps of upgrading (was Re: a summers day with Mandriva 2011 install) In-Reply-To: <4FE74D69.7020305@dslextreme.com> References: <4FE74D69.7020305@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <4FE85929.7050104@rbsmith.com> On 06/24/2012 10:24 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > [..] To get to that point I fiddled for hours, [..] > I could unlock the Desktop Settings configuration tool and get the > loose widgets and icons off the desktop. Congrats on getting over the first set of hurdles! Hopefully, you can pick off the "not-yet-working" little by little and be left with something that makes you glad you did it, both for understaning more about the workings, and for being able to do things. I bumped a netbook up to ubuntu 12.04 with a fresh install last weekend, then spent a chunk of yesterday getting it to hibnerate. Thankfully with the help of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnableHibernateWithEncryptedSwap It would have been smooth if I hadn't missed editing one of the cut and pastes and rendered the machine unable to complete a boot. Learned a bunch about initramfs and the busybox environment that the hung boot dropped into. Nice minimal environment that let me: mkdir /rdisk mount /dev/sda1 /rdisk chroot /rdisk bash # And then in that shell mount /proc # fix things, then update-initramfs -u -k all exit Reboot, and it worked! Hibernate now functional. On to the rest of the list. Rick From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon Jun 25 10:00:42 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:00:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Sunday July 1, 2012 Message-ID: <4FE8993A.6060400@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard. These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the year so far of 6 members. If you have a problem come along, maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone who can. At the June 18th meeting: Well I was pleased to see two other members there at the Cafe Enchante on Monday evening about 5:55 PM. Alex Kleider was there with a distinctive accessory which seems to have something to do with networking. The young man Roman was working on getting his machine working at some task it seems. I fired up the Presario but I was unable to demonstrate the very impressive Mandriva 2012 Tech Preview due to problems beyond my apprehension. Since then I have upgraded to Mandriva 2011. My WiFi had been shut down somehow again but by booting up a version of Knoppix I was able to connect and to turn the WiFi card back on. I hope Alex will explain a bit about the device he was using. I was too preoccupied with my problems to really get the name and function of the device. Alex asked me why I was changing distributions so often. I pointed out that this was a mis-apprehension on his part. I enjoy trying out new distributions and seeing how completely they work with my machine. But Mandriva remains my working distribution. Eric Porter showed up eventually and he and I rode homeward on the 38 Geary. This was after 7:30 PM and we found that the trip seemed shorter with someone to whom we could talk. A fuller answer for Alex will be in his mail shortly. Bobbie Sellers From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 12:49:16 2012 From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric W. Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:49:16 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux 101 class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FE8C0BC.7010005@gmail.com> I should have mentioned this earlier: I have started a Linux 101 class @Noisebridge every Tuesday from 6:30-8pm. It's a two part course that deals with showing how easy it is to use and install. No experience required. I may start a Intermediate class in the future to help people move into the Admin class. As always, classes are free and live media is afforded as well as a spare computer. Linux Mint is the OS of choice. Classes began last week. Tomorrow we will go over installing the OS as well as additional programs. Removal of software will also be covered in both the Software Manager as well as in Terminal. Thanks for the plug. Give an invite to anyone that is interested. My goal is to fill the room each and every week. ewr On 06/25/2012 12:00 PM, sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com wrote: > Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Bumps of upgrading (was Re: a summers day with Mandriva 2011 > install) (Rick Smith) > 2. SF-LUG meeting Sunday July 1, 2012 (Bobbie Sellers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:27:21 -0700 > From: Rick Smith > To: SF-LUG > Subject: [sf-lug] Bumps of upgrading (was Re: a summers day with > Mandriva 2011 install) > Message-ID:<4FE85929.7050104 at rbsmith.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 06/24/2012 10:24 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> [..] To get to that point I fiddled for hours, [..] >> I could unlock the Desktop Settings configuration tool and get the >> loose widgets and icons off the desktop. > Congrats on getting over the first set of hurdles! > > Hopefully, you can pick off the "not-yet-working" little by little and be > left with something that makes you glad you did it, both for understaning > more about the workings, and for being able to do things. > > I bumped a netbook up to ubuntu 12.04 with a fresh install last > weekend, then spent a chunk of yesterday getting it to hibnerate. > > Thankfully with the help of: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnableHibernateWithEncryptedSwap > > It would have been smooth if I hadn't missed editing one of the cut and > pastes and rendered the machine unable to complete a boot. > > Learned a bunch about initramfs and the busybox environment that > the hung boot dropped into. Nice minimal environment that let me: > > mkdir /rdisk > mount /dev/sda1 /rdisk > chroot /rdisk bash > > # And then in that shell > mount /proc > # fix things, then > update-initramfs -u -k all > exit > > Reboot, and it worked! Hibernate now functional. > On to the rest of the list. > > Rick > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:00:42 -0700 > From: Bobbie Sellers > To: SF-LUG > Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Sunday July 1, 2012 > Message-ID:<4FE8993A.6060400 at dslextreme.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. > at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard. > > These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high > for the year so far of 6 members. > If you have a problem come along, maybe we can help > but if not we can usually find someone who can. > > At the June 18th meeting: > Well I was pleased to see two other members > there at the Cafe Enchante on Monday evening > about 5:55 PM. > Alex Kleider was there with a distinctive > accessory which seems to have something to > do with networking. The young man Roman > was working on getting his machine working > at some task it seems. > I fired up the Presario but I was unable to > demonstrate the very impressive Mandriva 2012 > Tech Preview due to problems beyond my apprehension. > Since then I have upgraded to Mandriva 2011. > My WiFi had been shut down somehow again > but by booting up a version of Knoppix I was able > to connect and to turn the WiFi card back on. > I hope Alex will explain a bit about the device > he was using. I was too preoccupied with my problems > to really get the name and function of the device. > Alex asked me why I was changing distributions > so often. I pointed out that this was a mis-apprehension > on his part. I enjoy trying out new distributions and seeing > how completely they work with my machine. But > Mandriva remains my working distribution. > > Eric Porter showed up eventually and he and I > rode homeward on the 38 Geary. This was after 7:30 PM > and we found that the trip seemed shorter with someone > to whom we could talk. > > A fuller answer for Alex will be in his mail shortly. > > Bobbie Sellers > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 77, Issue 19 > ************************************** From jim at systemateka.com Mon Jun 25 15:44:40 2012 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:44:40 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Sunday July 1, 2012 In-Reply-To: <4FE8993A.6060400@dslextreme.com> References: <4FE8993A.6060400@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <1340664280.7576.8.camel@jim-LAPTOP> I'll be out of town this weekend and won't be able to attend. Best wishes, see you for the mid-July meeting (or the Wednesday evening get-togethers at Noisebridge). On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 10:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. > at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard. > > These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high > for the year so far of 6 members. > If you have a problem come along, maybe we can help > but if not we can usually find someone who can. > > At the June 18th meeting: > Well I was pleased to see two other members > there at the Cafe Enchante on Monday evening > about 5:55 PM. > Alex Kleider was there with a distinctive > accessory which seems to have something to > do with networking. The young man Roman > was working on getting his machine working > at some task it seems. > I fired up the Presario but I was unable to > demonstrate the very impressive Mandriva 2012 > Tech Preview due to problems beyond my apprehension. > Since then I have upgraded to Mandriva 2011. > My WiFi had been shut down somehow again > but by booting up a version of Knoppix I was able > to connect and to turn the WiFi card back on. > I hope Alex will explain a bit about the device > he was using. I was too preoccupied with my problems > to really get the name and function of the device. > Alex asked me why I was changing distributions > so often. I pointed out that this was a mis-apprehension > on his part. I enjoy trying out new distributions and seeing > how completely they work with my machine. But > Mandriva remains my working distribution. > > Eric Porter showed up eventually and he and I > rode homeward on the 38 Geary. This was after 7:30 PM > and we found that the trip seemed shorter with someone > to whom we could talk. > > A fuller answer for Alex will be in his mail shortly. > > Bobbie Sellers > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Jun 27 13:08:27 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:08:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Playing with the future... Message-ID: <4FEB683B.8080508@dslextreme.com> Hi Team, Some may recall that I was playing with Mandriva 2012 Tech Preview last week. Well I started having problems with my 2010.2 and so I bought and installed 2011 PowerPack( aka PWP) that has afforded me countless hours of frustrating stuff. Yesterday i gave up and re-installed Tech Preview called Cooker as well. That is what I am posting from right now. Setup the repositories this AM and got a bunch of stuff downloaded to use as I am accustomed to do. Still having trouble with the Printer seclection which goes well up until CUPS comes into it and then it hangs. But today is the first day I have been able to read and post in a few days. Glad to be able to do it. bliss From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 27 13:41:06 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:41:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Playing with the future... In-Reply-To: <4FEB683B.8080508@dslextreme.com> References: <4FEB683B.8080508@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20120627204106.GU26325@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > Still having trouble with the printer selection which goes well up > until CUPS comes into it and then it hangs. Try this: Open in a Web browser http://localhost:631/ You should be able to printer setup in there. Basically, CUPS, which is now the standard printing software for all Unixes, has a built-in Web server for administration and configuration purposes. It's highly reliable, and often can be used to quickly solve printing problems even when distros' tools for managing printing strike out. Works on OS X, too. Be aware that the breadth of printer makes/models you're shown is constrained by what RPMs of printer drivers you've installed, so you might want to ensure you've loaded up on printer drivers before visiting the above-cited CUPS admin pages. From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Jun 27 15:44:01 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:44:01 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Playing with the future... In-Reply-To: <20120627204106.GU26325@linuxmafia.com> References: <4FEB683B.8080508@dslextreme.com> <20120627204106.GU26325@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4FEB8CB1.1040201@dslextreme.com> On 06/27/2012 01:41 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > >> Still having trouble with the printer selection which goes well up >> until CUPS comes into it and then it hangs. > Try this: Open in a Web browser > > http://localhost:631/ Thanks Rick but I rebooted and was able to get the printer issue resolved, By the way my apologies to the readers as this was intended to go to another mailing list and I guess staying up all day working on it is too much stress for me and my old brain. > > You should be able to printer setup in there. Basically, CUPS, which is > now the standard printing software for all Unixes, has a built-in Web > server for administration and configuration purposes. It's highly > reliable, and often can be used to quickly solve printing problems even > when distros' tools for managing printing strike out. Works on OS X, > too. > > Be aware that the breadth of printer makes/models you're shown is > constrained by what RPMs of printer drivers you've installed, so you > might want to ensure you've loaded up on printer drivers before visiting > the above-cited CUPS admin pages. Well the database I am shown is larger than before. Right now the next problem is setting up the scanner built into this multi-function printer. Got it working with fewer problems on another distribution but this cooker is more than a bit short of amenities for the people like myself who prefer a GUI. Had to manually set repositories via easyurpmi and another spot. Then got VLC, Thunderbird and Kate in with a few more urpmi commands. My Thunderbird and MCC windows are lacking in the scrollbar department but working. Actually working better with the touchpad on the laptop but no visual indication. Thanks again Bobbie From a_kleider at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 19:19:31 2012 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Playing with the future... In-Reply-To: <20120627204106.GU26325@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1340849971.84412.YahooMailClassic@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 6/27/12, Rick Moen wrote: Be aware that the breadth of printer makes/models you're shown is constrained by what RPMs of printer drivers you've installed, so you might want to ensure you've loaded up on printer drivers before visiting the above-cited CUPS admin pages. Rick, would you be willing to elaborate a little on how that is done? I've often been frustrated by not being able to figure out how to get drivers and where in the directory tree to put them even if I could get them. Case in point, I have a Xerox_Phaser_3250 and did eventually get it configured on a debian laptop but really had to go through hoops to do it. No where could I find a file that I could then simply put in a specified directory and thus make it all work which is how I thought it should work. I don't mean to bad mouth CUPS- it certainly seems to serve very well. I guess the problem is that manufacturers sometimes don't want to be generous with what they perceive to be their intellectual property. cheers, alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 27 22:32:51 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:32:51 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Playing with the future... In-Reply-To: <1340849971.84412.YahooMailClassic@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120627204106.GU26325@linuxmafia.com> <1340849971.84412.YahooMailClassic@web162401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120628053251.GU3826@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com): > Rick, would you be willing to elaborate a little on how that is done? > I've often been frustrated by not being able to figure out how to get > drivers and where in the directory tree to put them even if I could > get them. Hmm, it's a bit messy, and some of what I know is probably way out of date. And maybe some of it is distro-specific. Let's start with the concrete example of the Lexmark E250DN laser thingie that my wife got for our house. Used to be, you immediately headed over to Grant Taylor's http://www.linuxprinting.org/ pages and related printer-information database. Grant turned that site over to Linux Foundation, but the URL still works, redirecting to Linux Foundation's OpenPrinting pages, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting . Pick database, Printer Listings, takes you to http://www.openprinting.org/printers . Pick Lexmark, pick E250DN, push buttoon 'Show this printer'. Wow, that page is... almost totally uninformative. Anyway, luckily, the E250DN works really great addressed as either a bog-standard PostScript printer or as a bog-standard PCL6 or PCL 5E (HP-type) printer. Case in point, I have a > Xerox_Phaser_3250 [...] Let's try that. http://www.openprinting.org/printers, pick Xerox, pick 3250D. Goes to a page specific to that printer, where there's a 'Contrib' link to Xerox's page where you can download some secret-sauce dowload... except that it says it's just a PostScript driver, which makes one wonder if using the bog-standard regular PostScript driver you get automatically with CUPS might be just fine. The specs page, http://www.office.xerox.com/printers/laser-printers/phaser-3250/spec-enus.html, says it's indeed a bog-standard PostScript 3 printer _and_ alternatively a PCL 6 one. So, either one should work fine. Neither of those printers turned out to require any fancy tricks or hunting down of obscure Mandriva RPMs (in Bobbie's case) of printer drivers. So, perhaps they're not good illustrative examples. But then, it also points out how nice it is when a printer just does either PostScript or PCL5 / PCL6, or both, as that makes life really simple. And, fortunately, a very large percentage of printers actually do. Sometimes, there are special tricks such as really fine control over colour printing where you don't get complete functionality unless you download some special secret-sauce thing from the manufacturer, however. From listmail at b79.net Thu Jun 28 10:03:18 2012 From: listmail at b79.net (John Magolske) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:03:18 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Some nice, readable Linux Console fonts Message-ID: <20120628170318.GA30090@s70206.gridserver.com> Hi All, Because I tend to spend a lot of time in a framebuffer console, I've put some effort into finding and customizing my Linux console fonts (PSF fonts) to be readable & easy to view for extended periods of time. I just put these fonts up on on my site (the ones I customized are crispy-8x16 & sgiscreen-9x20): http://b79.net/fields/comp#mono-bitmap There you'll find screenshots as well editable source files and notes on how to further modify the fonts if you so desire. Also on that page there's some info on how I've configured a minimal text-mode setup. Enjoy! John -- John Magolske http://B79.net/contact From a_kleider at yahoo.com Thu Jun 28 11:07:33 2012 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Playing with the future... In-Reply-To: <20120628053251.GU3826@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1340906853.56825.YahooMailClassic@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Rick, Would it therefore be correct to assume that??"Printer supports direct text printing with the 'us-ascii' charset." is in essence saying that a printer requires "just a PostScript driver?" By the way, by what name would one specify the " the bog-standard regular PostScript driver you?get automatically with CUPS?" Thank you for taking the time to shed some light on this subject. ? alex --- On Wed, 6/27/12, Rick Moen wrote: Case in point, I have a > Xerox_Phaser_3250 [...] Let's try that.? http://www.openprinting.org/printers, pick Xerox, pick 3250D.? Goes to a page specific to that printer, where there's a 'Contrib' link to Xerox's page where you can download some secret-sauce dowload... except that it says it's just a PostScript driver,?makes one wonder if using the bog-standard regular PostScript driver you get automatically with CUPS might be just fine.? _______________________________________________ Printer supports direct text printing with the 'us-ascii' charset. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jun 28 11:27:27 2012 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:27:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Playing with the future... In-Reply-To: <1340906853.56825.YahooMailClassic@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120628053251.GU3826@linuxmafia.com> <1340906853.56825.YahooMailClassic@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120628182727.GX3826@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com): > Rick, > Would it therefore be correct to assume that??"Printer supports > direct text printing with the 'us-ascii' charset." is in essence > saying that a printer requires "just a PostScript driver?" No, I don't think that follows. In the two cases discussed, I determined that the printers do PostScript by just Web-searching for the product spec pages. > By the way, by what name would one specify the " > the bog-standard regular PostScript driver you?get automatically with CUPS?" Add Printer, pick 'Generic' for Make. Pick your choice of any of the Generic PostScript entries shown. That's not very optimised -- and also you will in most cases find a good entry by just taking the path of least resistance and picking your printer's make and model -- or, better yet, using autodetect. My original point was that you can supplement CUPS's default collection of printer drivers by installing optional distro packages of those drivers, and I'm sure that remains true for many distros. How you find and grab those packages is pretty much distro-specific, though. From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Thu Jun 28 20:10:17 2012 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:10:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Sunday July 1, 2012 - Multibooting. Message-ID: <4FED1C99.2080908@dslextreme.com> I already wrote, SF-LUG meets every first Sunday from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary Boulevard. These meetings are usually lightly attended with a high for the year so far of 6 members. If you have a problem come along, maybe we can help but if not we can usually find someone who can. [Snip of previous meeting report.] But I think I will be able to present my Compaq Presario multi-booting between an older Debian, Mandriva 2010.2 and Mandriva 2012 Tech Preview on Sunday. If the bytes all stay in the right place for a few more days. ;^) Bobbie Sellers