From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sun Apr 3 14:12:20 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:12:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Todays meeting Sunday 3 April 2011 Message-ID: <4D98E2B4.8050407@sfo.com> Hello SF-LUGgers We had an interesting meeting. I showed up first then John Strazzarino who brought a generic Dell box for donation and a new distro of Puppy, MacPup. Jeff and his wife. then Alain who hasn't been around for a while but had trouble with his sound card since updating to Ubunto 10.10, Greg and finally Eric who strolled in while I was looking elsewhere. Jim Stockford showed up very briefly and looked quite ill to me but he came to collect the donated box. Said he had been in bed for two days and I doubt he should have spared the time to come by today. Get well soon Jim. John is having a lot of interesting problems with various hardware and solving most of them it sounds like. Jeff and Greg helped Alain and solved his sound problems. I booted up the MacPup and got a look at Firefox 4.. Maybe a bit cleaner. MacPup is a live distro but offers choices to save data when exiting to local disks, CD or Flash drive I believe. Should be good choice for old x-86 boxes with enough ram expecially if Windows must be maintained. MacPup has nothing to do with PPC Macs and is for use on x86 boxes. So about 1 PM we broke up the meeting and made our ways home or to our next recreation or chores. later Bobbie Sellers From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Sun Apr 3 14:53:07 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 14:53:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Xen block device mappings Message-ID: <20110403145307.18042o2f4iuohz6s@webmail.rawbw.com> Thought I posted something like this somewhere once before, but couldn't find it, so ... figuring it once again ... Though one can look at the Xen configuration file(s), things can also be changed dynamically (e.g. temporary) and not reflected in configuration file, or Xen guest could be created and started without a configuration file. So, in any case, sometimes one wants to check to see what device(s) are presented to Xen guest(s), and how those devices are mapped within the Xen guest(s). There may also be some higher-level tools that do some or much of this. Nevertheless, if one wants/needs to determine such, just from the basic Xen software and /sys filesystems: //Xen device mapping/examples, //from host: # xm list Name ID Mem VCPUs State Time(s) Domain-0 0 1504 4 r----- 47681.8 balug 4 256 1 -b---- 832.3 sflug 2 256 1 -b---- 17808.0 # xm block-list balug Vdev BE handle state evt-ch ring-ref BE-path 2048 0 0 4 8 8 /local/domain/0/backend/vbd/4/2048 2064 0 0 4 9 9 /local/domain/0/backend/vbd/4/2064 5632 0 0 4 10 10 /local/domain/0/backend/vbd/4/5632 # xm block-list sflug Vdev BE handle state evt-ch ring-ref BE-path 2049 0 0 4 8 8 /local/domain/0/backend/vbd/2/2049 2050 0 0 4 9 9 /local/domain/0/backend/vbd/2/2050 5632 0 0 4 10 10 /local/domain/0/backend/vbd/2/5632 # (cd /sys/devices/xen-backend && for tmp in */physical_device; do echo `dirname "$tmp"` `cat "$tmp"`; done) //block device major and minor numbers, in hex vbd-2-2049 fd:6 vbd-2-2050 fd:7 vbd-2-5632 7:2 vbd-4-2048 fd:a vbd-4-2064 fd:d vbd-4-5632 7:1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 253, 6 2010-08-13 10:26 /dev/vg-sflug/sflug-disk brw-rw---- 1 root disk 253, 7 2010-08-13 10:26 /dev/vg-sflug/sflug-swap brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 2 2010-08-13 10:26 /dev/loop2 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 253, 10 2010-08-13 10:26 /dev/vg-balug/balug-sda brw-rw---- 1 root disk 253, 13 2010-08-13 10:26 /dev/vg-balug/balug-sdb brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 1 2010-08-13 10:26 /dev/loop1 # losetup /dev/loop1 /dev/loop1: [fd05]:25 (/var/local/pub/mirrored/cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i38*) # losetup /dev/loop2 /dev/loop2: [fd05]:25 (/var/local/pub/mirrored/cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i38*) //from guest(s): # ls -d /sys/devices/xen/vbd-*/block* /sys/devices/xen/vbd-2048/block:sda /sys/devices/xen/vbd-2064/block:sdb /sys/devices/xen/vbd-5632/block:hdc find /proc/[!0-9]* /sys -name '*loop*' -print /sys/block/loop1 /sys/block/loop2 From nbs at sonic.net Wed Apr 6 18:37:22 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:37:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, April 18: "MythTV open source DVR" Message-ID: <201104070137.p371bMXe002886@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting this month: Monday April 18, 2011 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "MythTV open source DVR" Wes Hardaker MythTV is a free, open source software digital video recorder (DVR) project. [ http://www.mythtv.org/ ] The creators consider it as the ultimate Digital Video Recorder and home media center hub (an open source alternative to Windows Media Center or TiVo). Along with recording and playing back television shows, it can also manage personal photo, video and music collections, work with a home security system, manage NetFlix movie queues, play games, provide weather info and forecasts, and more! It runs on both Linux and Mac OS X. This meeting will be held at: Yolo County Public Library, Davis Branch (Mary L. Stephens Branch) Blanchard community meeting room 315 East 14th Street Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Thu Apr 7 03:47:27 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 03:47:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Bup "it backs things up" creator Avery Pennarun on Bup 2:30P Saturday, SF Message-ID: <20110407034727.47506zar5wuc3yo8@webmail.rawbw.com> Bup[1] "it backs things up" creator Avery Pennarun[2][3] on Bup 2:30P Saturday, SF Bup "it backs things up" does efficient sub-file deduplication and compression suitable for disk-to-disk or disk-to-remote-host backups. It's based git and python and the rolling-checksum concept that makes rsync transfers so efficient. Bup has no user-friendly graphical UI yet- this will be more about the technology and the commandline interface. Avery will be in town in about a week and has agreed to give a presentation details (+correction(s)), location, RSVP, etc., see: http://bad.debian.net/list/2011-April/003433.html http://bad.debian.net/list/2011-April/003434.html http://bad.debian.net/list/2011-April/003435.html http://bad.debian.net/list/2011-April/date.html footnotes/references: 1. https://github.com/apenwarr/bup 2. http://www.advogato.org/person/apenwarr/ 3. http://apenwarr.ca/ From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri Apr 8 15:49:43 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:49:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2011-04-19: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy & other BALUG news Message-ID: <20110408154943.11201yfqety5mbk0@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG Tu 2011-04-19: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy & other BALUG news In this issue (details further below): 2011-04-19 Tu: BALUG meeting Tu: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy Also, Linux CDs and other giveaway items. 2011-05-17: Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds "Slides" from 2011-03-15 BALUG meetnig: Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android Other Linux & Open Source happenings Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org ------------------------------ Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-04-19 Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-04-19 meeting, we're proud to present: Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO Gluster[2] on GlusterFS[1] - Petascale Cloud Filesystem Title: - GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem Abstract: As the explosion of unstructured data continues unabated, filesystems are under tremendous architectural strain. Traditional and hybrid filesystem architectures fail to meet the demanding challenges of both public and private clouds and users in these environments struggle with filesystem limitations. The GlusterFS petascale filesystem architecture is designed to easily handle massive amounts of unstructured data and linearly scale performance and capacity in order to efficiently manage unplanned spikes in performance and provide high availability as a standard function of the filesystem. GlusterFS is an Open Source filesystem. Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO As CTO and Co-founder, AB sets the vision and strategy for the Gluster product platform. Prior to Gluster, AB served as CTO at California Digital Corporation[3] (CDC), where his work led to the scaling of the commodity cluster computing to supercomputing class performance. He drove the adoption of cluster computing and GNU/Linux at enterprise data centers and helped close strategic accounts at CDC. In 2004, AB led the development of the world's second fastest Supercomputer "Thunder", for Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory[4]. AB also serves on the board of "Free Software Foundation - India[5]". He is the author / contributor of various other Free Software projects like GNU FreeIPMI (Intelligent Platform Management Interface), GNU Garp (Gratuitous ARP Daemon), bios-config (edit/replicate CMOS parameters), librpci/hdb (RPC interpose for GNU Hurd) and Hymn/PlayFair (iTunes ripper), GNU Freetalk (Scheme extensible messenger for Jabber, Google talk), and Freehoo (Scheme extensible messenger for YahooIM). He holds a Computer Science Engineering degree from Annamalai University, Tamil Nadu, India. 1. http://www.gluster.com/products/glusterfs/ 2. http://www.gluster.com/ 3. http://www.californiadigital.com/ 4. http://www.llnl.gov/ 5. http://www.gnu.org.in/ See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (CDs, etc.) So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such. We've also tweaked our "door prize" / giveaway practices a bit - so RSVPing and arriving sufficiently on time increases one's odds of winning door prize(s) and/or getting first or earlier pick of giveaway items. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, April 19th, 2011 2011-04-19 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-05-17 meeting, we're proud to present: Cloud.com[1]'s Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds As cloud computing has moved beyond hype, becoming a true enterprise-ready tool that cuts IT costs and fits a variety of use cases, IT is seeking new ways to efficiently and cost-effectively build, deploy and manage clouds. Cloud.com's CloudStack Community Edition, available under the GPLv3 license, is an open sourced Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) software platform that simplifies the creation and management of public and private clouds. This platform seamlessly integrates with existing data center infrastructure without the need for modifications, special-purpose hardware or reconfiguration, making it possible for users to instantly realize the benefits of the cloud. CloudStack Community Edition delivers several benefits including: o Massive computing power - providing virtually unlimited CPUs on-demand, as required and billed by actual usage in public, private or hybrid deployments. o Powerful API - Easily build, integrate and use applications based on common cloud APIs like Amazon's Web Services API, Citrix Cloud CenterT (C3) API and the vCloud API o Secure Cloud Computing - Isolating compute, network, and storage resources by user, location and deployment. o Comprehensive Service Management - Defining, metering, deploying and managing services to be consumed within your cloud. o Automated resource distribution - delivering capabilities to automate the distribution of compute, network and storage while adhering to defined policies on load balancing, data security and compliance. o Real-time visibility and reporting capabilities - ensuring compliance, security and comprehensive metering customer usage. o Simplified management - empowering administrators to offset the daily management of services to the end users with a powerful self-service portal that gives the day-to-day management tasks to the user, enabling administrators to focus on more business critical issues while giving the client more control and agility over the service by providing a catalog of custom built and pre-defined machine images. This session will provide best practices for building clouds, and a technical overview and demonstration of CloudStack. Mark Hinkle is Cloud.com's Vice President of Community where he is responsible for driving all of the community efforts around the Cloud.com's leading open source, cloud computing software and ecosystem. Before that he was the force behind the Zenoss Core open source management projects adoption and community involvement, growing community membership to over 100,000 members. He is a co-founder of both the Open Source Management Consortium and the Desktop Linux Consortium, has served as Editor-in-Chief for both LinuxWorld Magazine and Enterprise Open Source Magazine, and authored the book, "Windows to Linux Business Desktop Migration" (Thomson, 2006). Mark has also held executive positions at a number of technology start-ups, including Earthlink, (previously MindSpring)--where he was the head of the technical support organization recognized by PC Computing and PC World as the best in the industry--Win4Lin and Emu Software. 1. http://www.cloud.com/ ------------------------------ "Slides" from the BALUG 2011-03-15 meeting: Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android see: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2011-March/004733.html ------------------------------ Other Linux & Open Source happenings Too many to list here :-) - but one might also want to: peek at BALUG's "talk" list/archives, if one's not subscribed: http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org check other lists of events/sites, and their respective sites/lists: http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=caj9iea2ol69b7n2uqdek4ocso at group.calendar.google.com ------------------------------ Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org You can now follow BALUG on Twitter. We're still working out exactly how we'll use that BALUG_org account on Twitter, but follow us there, and we'll likely include at least some announcements and updates. Thoughts/feedback on how we use that Twitter account? - drop us a note at: publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sat Apr 9 09:09:59 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:09:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Cheap router Message-ID: <4DA084D7.4080502@dslextreme.com> At the last meeting someone was asking about this item. And today geeks.com led me to one as I looked at the TV mounting kits... There must be others out there but this is the price I paid for my current router/ADSL modem/firewall device. later Bobbie Sellers From grantbow at ubuntu.com Sun Apr 10 06:12:32 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:12:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Cheap router In-Reply-To: <4DA084D7.4080502@dslextreme.com> References: <4DA084D7.4080502@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > ? ? ? ?At the last meeting someone was asking about this item. > ? ? ? ?And today geeks.com led me to one as I looked at the TV mounting > kits... > ? ? ? ? > > ? ? ? ?There must be others out there but this is the price I paid for > my current router/ADSL modem/firewall device. > > ? ? ? ?later > ? ? ? ?Bobbie Sellers Hard to beat $18 for something that meets your needs. The 802.11g at 2.4GHz is just fine for a machine or two. The one you linked doesn't have a DSL modem. I have always kept my cable modem/DSL modem separate from the hubs & access points as I tend to always need more or want to change them later. Some of the WGR614 hardware revisions seem to support http://openwrt.org but it varies by the hardware revision. Often you can't tell what hardware revision is in the box until you get it open. Changes are often made to the internals of a product without changing the model number, just a change to the hardware revision number which is sometimes not indicated on the outside of the box. Try to get an WGR614L (aka. v8) if you have a choice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netgear_WGR614L A used one is available from Amazon for $15 + shipping right now. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002FOTH44 eBay prices are $55+ for a new one. My Netgear experiences have been positive overall but quality varies widely by model and by hardware revision. Stay away from the WGT624 circa 2003 according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netgear as there was a class action lawsuit. I have not found (nor have any of my friends) that any manufacturer is able to keep consistently high quality for home networking equipment price points. For a big step up in performance in the $59 range take a look at 802.11n dual radio (2.4 GHz / 5 GHz) http://www.open-mesh.com/index.php/enterprise-mesh/mr500-mesh-router.html In dense housing situations 2.4 GHz can get pretty darn crowded so my next access point will definitely include a 5GHz option. Cheers, Grant From jim at systemateka.com Sun Apr 10 10:41:00 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:41:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] O'Reilly writable API competition Message-ID: <1302457260.1629.4.camel@jim-LAPTOP> O'Reilly Media offers a writable API competition Got a great idea for O'Reilly's new API? Make it happen and you might win a prize. Competition details: While we want you to develop an application however you see fit, we imagine entries will fall into three rough classes. None of these are required in an entry and they are independent of the judging criteria: 1. Uses of the basic O'Reilly book and author data, such as building a different UI to books and authors. 2. Interesting data added to the Fluidinfo book and/or author objects. Entries in this class would not build applications. 3. Mashups of original and new data: add to the original data, and write an application that combines both in a provocative way. Judges Entries will be judged by Tim O'Reilly, O'Reilly editor Mike Loukides, and O'Reilly GM Joe Wikert. Prizes In total, three prizes will be awarded: 1st prize: An OSCON package that includes a full conference pass, coach airfare from within the US, and 4 nights hotel accommodation. 2nd prize: Choice of either one 3G iPad 2 64GB or one Xoom tablet 32GB (second prize includes device only, no wireless service is included). 3rd prize: $500 worth of O'Reilly ebooks and/or videos; selection to be at third prize winner's discretion. Deadline The competition opens today (12:01 a.m. Pacific, March 21, 2011) and runs until 11:59 p.m. (Pacific) April 10, 2011. Winners will be announced on Radar on or around May 1, 2011. Restrictions Employees of O'Reilly Media and Fluidinfo are not eligible to enter the competition. Full details can be found here: http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1z087ioodoccoejfhejn7obfcro4kv8oa3udetecg Thanks, Marsee & Jon From a10cuba at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 16:12:20 2011 From: a10cuba at hotmail.com (Terry) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:12:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 Message-ID: Any one wana help me and a friend build a linux pmp ftom the ground up or has any recomendations for kernal and other system components sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com wrote: >Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. BALUG Tu 2011-04-19: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, > Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy & other BALUG news (Michael Paoli) > 2. Cheap router (Bobbie Sellers) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:49:43 -0700 >From: "Michael Paoli" >To: SF-LUG >Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2011-04-19: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud > Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy & other BALUG news >Message-ID: <20110408154943.11201yfqety5mbk0 at webmail.rawbw.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > >BALUG Tu 2011-04-19: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand >Babu (AB) Periasamy & other BALUG news > >In this issue (details further below): > >2011-04-19 Tu: BALUG meeting Tu: > GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy > Also, Linux CDs and other giveaway items. > >2011-05-17: Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source > Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds > >"Slides" from 2011-03-15 BALUG meetnig: >Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android > >Other Linux & Open Source happenings > >Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org > >------------------------------ > >Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting >Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-04-19 > >Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). > >For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-04-19 meeting, we're proud to present: > >Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO Gluster[2] on >GlusterFS[1] - Petascale Cloud Filesystem > >Title: - GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem > >Abstract: As the explosion of unstructured data continues unabated, >filesystems are under tremendous architectural strain. Traditional and >hybrid filesystem architectures fail to meet the demanding challenges of >both public and private clouds and users in these environments struggle >with filesystem limitations. The GlusterFS petascale filesystem >architecture is designed to easily handle massive amounts of >unstructured data and linearly scale performance and capacity in order >to efficiently manage unplanned spikes in performance and provide high >availability as a standard function of the filesystem. GlusterFS is an >Open Source filesystem. > >Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO >As CTO and Co-founder, AB sets the vision and strategy for the Gluster >product platform. Prior to Gluster, AB served as CTO at California >Digital Corporation[3] (CDC), where his work led to the scaling of the >commodity cluster computing to supercomputing class performance. He >drove the adoption of cluster computing and GNU/Linux at enterprise data >centers and helped close strategic accounts at CDC. In 2004, AB led the >development of the world's second fastest Supercomputer "Thunder", for >Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory[4]. AB also serves on the board >of "Free Software Foundation - India[5]". He is the author / >contributor of various other Free Software projects like GNU FreeIPMI >(Intelligent Platform Management Interface), GNU Garp (Gratuitous ARP >Daemon), bios-config (edit/replicate CMOS parameters), librpci/hdb (RPC >interpose for GNU Hurd) and Hymn/PlayFair (iTunes ripper), GNU Freetalk >(Scheme extensible messenger for Jabber, Google talk), and Freehoo >(Scheme extensible messenger for YahooIM). He holds a Computer Science >Engineering degree from Annamalai University, Tamil Nadu, India. > >1. http://www.gluster.com/products/glusterfs/ >2. http://www.gluster.com/ >3. http://www.californiadigital.com/ >4. http://www.llnl.gov/ >5. http://www.gnu.org.in/ > >See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at >this meeting (CDs, etc.) > >So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: > > rsvp at balug.org > >**Why RSVP??** > >Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the >Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such. >We've also tweaked our "door prize" / giveaway practices a bit - so >RSVPing and arriving sufficiently on time increases one's odds of >winning door prize(s) and/or getting first or earlier pick of giveaway >items. > >Meeting Details... > > 6:30pm > Tuesday, April 19th, 2011 2011-04-19 > > Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ > 731 Grant Ave. > San Francisco, CA 94108 > Easy PARKING: > Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: > http://www.sfpsg.com/ > >Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 > cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy > family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift > also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping > to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). > >Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following): > >CDs, etc. - have a peek here: >http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc >We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have >"door prizes". > >------------------------------ > >For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-05-17 meeting, we're proud to present: > >Cloud.com[1]'s Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: >Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public >Clouds > >As cloud computing has moved beyond hype, becoming a true >enterprise-ready tool that cuts IT costs and fits a variety of use >cases, IT is seeking new ways to efficiently and cost-effectively >build, deploy and manage clouds. Cloud.com's CloudStack Community >Edition, available under the GPLv3 license, is an open sourced >Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) software platform that simplifies >the creation and management of public and private clouds. This platform >seamlessly integrates with existing data center infrastructure without >the need for modifications, special-purpose hardware or >reconfiguration, making it possible for users to instantly realize the >benefits of the cloud. > >CloudStack Community Edition delivers several benefits including: > >o Massive computing power - providing virtually unlimited CPUs > on-demand, as required and billed by actual usage in public, private > or hybrid deployments. >o Powerful API - Easily build, integrate and use applications based on > common cloud APIs like Amazon's Web Services API, Citrix Cloud CenterT > (C3) API and the vCloud API >o Secure Cloud Computing - Isolating compute, network, and storage > resources by user, location and deployment. >o Comprehensive Service Management - Defining, metering, deploying and > managing services to be consumed within your cloud. >o Automated resource distribution - delivering capabilities to automate > the distribution of compute, network and storage while adhering to > defined policies on load balancing, data security and compliance. >o Real-time visibility and reporting capabilities - ensuring compliance, > security and comprehensive metering customer usage. >o Simplified management - empowering administrators to offset the daily > management of services to the end users with a powerful self-service > portal that gives the day-to-day management tasks to the user, > enabling administrators to focus on more business critical issues > while giving the client more control and agility over the service by > providing a catalog of custom built and pre-defined machine images. > >This session will provide best practices for building clouds, and a >technical overview and demonstration of CloudStack. > >Mark Hinkle is Cloud.com's Vice President of Community where he is >responsible for driving all of the community efforts around the >Cloud.com's leading open source, cloud computing software and >ecosystem. Before that he was the force behind the Zenoss Core open >source management projects adoption and community involvement, growing >community membership to over 100,000 members. He is a co-founder of >both the Open Source Management Consortium and the Desktop Linux >Consortium, has served as Editor-in-Chief for both LinuxWorld Magazine >and Enterprise Open Source Magazine, and authored the book, "Windows to >Linux Business Desktop Migration" (Thomson, 2006). Mark has also held >executive positions at a number of technology start-ups, including >Earthlink, (previously MindSpring)--where he was the head of the >technical support organization recognized by PC Computing and PC World >as the best in the industry--Win4Lin and Emu Software. > >1. http://www.cloud.com/ > >------------------------------ > >"Slides" from the BALUG 2011-03-15 meeting: >Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android >see: >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2011-March/004733.html > >------------------------------ > >Other Linux & Open Source happenings > >Too many to list here :-) - but one might also want to: >peek at BALUG's "talk" list/archives, if one's not subscribed: >http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org >check other lists of events/sites, and their respective sites/lists: >http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ >https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=caj9iea2ol69b7n2uqdek4ocso at group.calendar.google.com > >------------------------------ > >Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org > >You can now follow BALUG on Twitter. We're still working out exactly >how we'll use that BALUG_org account on Twitter, but follow us there, >and we'll likely include at least some announcements and updates. >Thoughts/feedback on how we use that Twitter account? - drop us a note >at: publicity-feedback at balug.org > >------------------------------ > >Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we >should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or >things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org > >------------------------------ > >http://www.balug.org/ > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:09:59 -0700 >From: Bobbie Sellers >To: SF-LUG >Subject: [sf-lug] Cheap router >Message-ID: <4DA084D7.4080502 at dslextreme.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > At the last meeting someone was asking about this item. > And today geeks.com led me to one as I looked at the TV mounting kits... > > > There must be others out there but this is the price I paid for >my current router/ADSL modem/firewall device. > > later > Bobbie Sellers > > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >sf-lug mailing list >sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > >End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 >************************************* > From jim at well.com Sun Apr 10 17:25:59 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:25:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1302481559.1629.16.camel@jim-LAPTOP> i wouldn't know where to start, but would be really interested in how you progress. you know about noisebridge.net ?? there are a fair number of people there who'd be interested, some who probably already have a leg up. "pmp" == portable media player yes? probably you've got to select some existing device, something that's got all the hardware needed and a CPU that's got linux support? then some linux kernel and the right device drivers? then some app: maybe something you'd create? or modify? On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 16:12 -0700, Terry wrote: > Any one wana help me and a friend build a linux pmp ftom the ground up or has any recomendations for kernal and other system components > > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com wrote: > > >Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com > > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. BALUG Tu 2011-04-19: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, > > Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy & other BALUG news (Michael Paoli) > > 2. Cheap router (Bobbie Sellers) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:49:43 -0700 > >From: "Michael Paoli" > >To: SF-LUG > >Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2011-04-19: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud > > Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy & other BALUG news > >Message-ID: <20110408154943.11201yfqety5mbk0 at webmail.rawbw.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > > format="flowed" > > > >BALUG Tu 2011-04-19: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand > >Babu (AB) Periasamy & other BALUG news > > > >In this issue (details further below): > > > >2011-04-19 Tu: BALUG meeting Tu: > > GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy > > Also, Linux CDs and other giveaway items. > > > >2011-05-17: Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source > > Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds > > > >"Slides" from 2011-03-15 BALUG meetnig: > >Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android > > > >Other Linux & Open Source happenings > > > >Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting > >Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-04-19 > > > >Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). > > > >For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-04-19 meeting, we're proud to present: > > > >Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO Gluster[2] on > >GlusterFS[1] - Petascale Cloud Filesystem > > > >Title: - GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem > > > >Abstract: As the explosion of unstructured data continues unabated, > >filesystems are under tremendous architectural strain. Traditional and > >hybrid filesystem architectures fail to meet the demanding challenges of > >both public and private clouds and users in these environments struggle > >with filesystem limitations. The GlusterFS petascale filesystem > >architecture is designed to easily handle massive amounts of > >unstructured data and linearly scale performance and capacity in order > >to efficiently manage unplanned spikes in performance and provide high > >availability as a standard function of the filesystem. GlusterFS is an > >Open Source filesystem. > > > >Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO > >As CTO and Co-founder, AB sets the vision and strategy for the Gluster > >product platform. Prior to Gluster, AB served as CTO at California > >Digital Corporation[3] (CDC), where his work led to the scaling of the > >commodity cluster computing to supercomputing class performance. He > >drove the adoption of cluster computing and GNU/Linux at enterprise data > >centers and helped close strategic accounts at CDC. In 2004, AB led the > >development of the world's second fastest Supercomputer "Thunder", for > >Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory[4]. AB also serves on the board > >of "Free Software Foundation - India[5]". He is the author / > >contributor of various other Free Software projects like GNU FreeIPMI > >(Intelligent Platform Management Interface), GNU Garp (Gratuitous ARP > >Daemon), bios-config (edit/replicate CMOS parameters), librpci/hdb (RPC > >interpose for GNU Hurd) and Hymn/PlayFair (iTunes ripper), GNU Freetalk > >(Scheme extensible messenger for Jabber, Google talk), and Freehoo > >(Scheme extensible messenger for YahooIM). He holds a Computer Science > >Engineering degree from Annamalai University, Tamil Nadu, India. > > > >1. http://www.gluster.com/products/glusterfs/ > >2. http://www.gluster.com/ > >3. http://www.californiadigital.com/ > >4. http://www.llnl.gov/ > >5. http://www.gnu.org.in/ > > > >See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at > >this meeting (CDs, etc.) > > > >So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: > > > > rsvp at balug.org > > > >**Why RSVP??** > > > >Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the > >Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such. > >We've also tweaked our "door prize" / giveaway practices a bit - so > >RSVPing and arriving sufficiently on time increases one's odds of > >winning door prize(s) and/or getting first or earlier pick of giveaway > >items. > > > >Meeting Details... > > > > 6:30pm > > Tuesday, April 19th, 2011 2011-04-19 > > > > Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ > > 731 Grant Ave. > > San Francisco, CA 94108 > > Easy PARKING: > > Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: > > http://www.sfpsg.com/ > > > >Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 > > cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy > > family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift > > also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping > > to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). > > > >Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following): > > > >CDs, etc. - have a peek here: > >http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc > >We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have > >"door prizes". > > > >------------------------------ > > > >For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-05-17 meeting, we're proud to present: > > > >Cloud.com[1]'s Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: > >Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public > >Clouds > > > >As cloud computing has moved beyond hype, becoming a true > >enterprise-ready tool that cuts IT costs and fits a variety of use > >cases, IT is seeking new ways to efficiently and cost-effectively > >build, deploy and manage clouds. Cloud.com's CloudStack Community > >Edition, available under the GPLv3 license, is an open sourced > >Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) software platform that simplifies > >the creation and management of public and private clouds. This platform > >seamlessly integrates with existing data center infrastructure without > >the need for modifications, special-purpose hardware or > >reconfiguration, making it possible for users to instantly realize the > >benefits of the cloud. > > > >CloudStack Community Edition delivers several benefits including: > > > >o Massive computing power - providing virtually unlimited CPUs > > on-demand, as required and billed by actual usage in public, private > > or hybrid deployments. > >o Powerful API - Easily build, integrate and use applications based on > > common cloud APIs like Amazon's Web Services API, Citrix Cloud CenterT > > (C3) API and the vCloud API > >o Secure Cloud Computing - Isolating compute, network, and storage > > resources by user, location and deployment. > >o Comprehensive Service Management - Defining, metering, deploying and > > managing services to be consumed within your cloud. > >o Automated resource distribution - delivering capabilities to automate > > the distribution of compute, network and storage while adhering to > > defined policies on load balancing, data security and compliance. > >o Real-time visibility and reporting capabilities - ensuring compliance, > > security and comprehensive metering customer usage. > >o Simplified management - empowering administrators to offset the daily > > management of services to the end users with a powerful self-service > > portal that gives the day-to-day management tasks to the user, > > enabling administrators to focus on more business critical issues > > while giving the client more control and agility over the service by > > providing a catalog of custom built and pre-defined machine images. > > > >This session will provide best practices for building clouds, and a > >technical overview and demonstration of CloudStack. > > > >Mark Hinkle is Cloud.com's Vice President of Community where he is > >responsible for driving all of the community efforts around the > >Cloud.com's leading open source, cloud computing software and > >ecosystem. Before that he was the force behind the Zenoss Core open > >source management projects adoption and community involvement, growing > >community membership to over 100,000 members. He is a co-founder of > >both the Open Source Management Consortium and the Desktop Linux > >Consortium, has served as Editor-in-Chief for both LinuxWorld Magazine > >and Enterprise Open Source Magazine, and authored the book, "Windows to > >Linux Business Desktop Migration" (Thomson, 2006). Mark has also held > >executive positions at a number of technology start-ups, including > >Earthlink, (previously MindSpring)--where he was the head of the > >technical support organization recognized by PC Computing and PC World > >as the best in the industry--Win4Lin and Emu Software. > > > >1. http://www.cloud.com/ > > > >------------------------------ > > > >"Slides" from the BALUG 2011-03-15 meeting: > >Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android > >see: > >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2011-March/004733.html > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Other Linux & Open Source happenings > > > >Too many to list here :-) - but one might also want to: > >peek at BALUG's "talk" list/archives, if one's not subscribed: > >http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org > >check other lists of events/sites, and their respective sites/lists: > >http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ > >https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=caj9iea2ol69b7n2uqdek4ocso at group.calendar.google.com > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org > > > >You can now follow BALUG on Twitter. We're still working out exactly > >how we'll use that BALUG_org account on Twitter, but follow us there, > >and we'll likely include at least some announcements and updates. > >Thoughts/feedback on how we use that Twitter account? - drop us a note > >at: publicity-feedback at balug.org > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we > >should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or > >things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org > > > >------------------------------ > > > >http://www.balug.org/ > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:09:59 -0700 > >From: Bobbie Sellers > >To: SF-LUG > >Subject: [sf-lug] Cheap router > >Message-ID: <4DA084D7.4080502 at dslextreme.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > > > At the last meeting someone was asking about this item. > > And today geeks.com led me to one as I looked at the TV mounting kits... > > > > > > There must be others out there but this is the price I paid for > >my current router/ADSL modem/firewall device. > > > > later > > Bobbie Sellers > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >sf-lug mailing list > >sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > >Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > >End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 63, Issue 3 > >************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon Apr 11 09:45:25 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:45:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Future computing... Message-ID: <4DA33025.3080206@sfo.com> Hello SF-LUG, Probably the technically astute will know about this but I ran across the term UEFI in a Usenet newsgroup and followed up on it. A largely textual article with some illustrations(screen shots of bios and uefi screens. Coming real soon now... TA DA! Unified Extensible Firmware Interface Now for the videos: About 10 seconds from power on to user interface. Includes example of Windows versus Ubuntu. later bliss From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon Apr 11 09:59:36 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:59:36 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] last meeting of SF LUG Message-ID: <4DA33378.7050604@sfo.com> If I could see the post I wrote on the list I would have responded to it. Jim is still quite ill. May be better in a few days or still quite ill. Those of you who beleive in the power of prayer know what do do... The rest of us will merely wish for the best outcome. later Bobbie Sellers From a10cuba at hotmail.com Mon Apr 11 14:57:24 2011 From: a10cuba at hotmail.com (Terry) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:57:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 63, Issue 6 prayrs Message-ID: Ill let the man ua stairs know u need healing sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com wrote: >Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Future computing... (Bobbie Sellers) > 2. Re: last meeting of SF LUG (Bobbie Sellers) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:45:25 -0700 >From: Bobbie Sellers >To: SF-LUG >Subject: [sf-lug] Future computing... >Message-ID: <4DA33025.3080206 at sfo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello SF-LUG, > Probably the technically astute will >know about this but I ran across the term UEFI in a >Usenet newsgroup and followed up on it. > > A largely textual article with some illustrations(screen shots of bios >and uefi screens. > > Coming real soon now... TA DA! > > Unified Extensible Firmware Interface > > > > Now for the videos: > > > > About 10 seconds from power on to user interface. > Includes example of Windows versus Ubuntu. > > later > bliss > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:59:36 -0700 >From: Bobbie Sellers >To: SF-LUG >Subject: Re: [sf-lug] last meeting of SF LUG >Message-ID: <4DA33378.7050604 at sfo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > If I could see the post I wrote on the list >I would have responded to it. > Jim is still quite ill. > May be better in a few days or still quite >ill. > Those of you who beleive in the power of >prayer know what do do... > > The rest of us will merely wish for the >best outcome. > > later > Bobbie Sellers > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >sf-lug mailing list >sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > >End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 63, Issue 6 >************************************* > From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Apr 13 14:28:53 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:28:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meets on Monday April 18 ... Message-ID: <4DA61595.7090208@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG on the Third Monday from 6-8 PM at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue. All meeting times are nominal. Bring your problems and if no one in attendance can solve a problem we know where to find more help. I will have the latest issues of Linux Journal and of Linux Pro magazine. Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. (415) 251-9136 If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Of course that depends on your part of town and if coming from the South-West side of San Francisco the Muni has a bus stop a block away on 25th Avenue Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA From lorise.best-johnston at oracle.com Thu Apr 14 14:35:55 2011 From: lorise.best-johnston at oracle.com (Lorise Best-Johnston) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Solaris Systems Administrator - Oracle/Sun - Santa Clara, CA Message-ID: Oracle is hiring a Mid Level Solaris Systems Administrator - Solaris/Linux/x86 - Santa Clara, CA - please send resumes to lorise.best-johnston at oracle.com - IRC1513738 General responsibilities include set-up and configuration of x64 platforms and related leading edge technologies, supporting Solaris software teams within the Systems Platform Group. System set-up includes installing Solaris, configuring BIOS, storage, and network subsystems, making new platforms available for remote access on development lab networks. Must be a team player with ability to multitask and prioritize multiple competing requests. Outline of more specific responsibilities and desired skills: - Customize system configurations for testing of various system components - Run Solaris HW Compatibility Test Suite (HCTS) and other test suites - Hardware Logistics, receipt of incoming hardware & occassional shipments - Aide in deployment of these systems in labs where necessary - Installing new I/O hardware such as add-on NIC and/or storage HBA's - Diagnose & repair issues to ensure high system availability - Understand & implementing best practices for System Administration - Writing shell scripts (sh, csh) - Able to manipulate Cronjobs for system maintenance - System Logs inspection (/var/adm/messages, /var/log/syslog, others...) - Good understanding of NIS, DNS, and NFS filesystems - Ability to troubleshoot and diagnose a network issue vs. system issue - Understand how to repair filesystems such as UFS and ZFS - Understand newer Solaris technologies such as FMA, SMF, and IPS - Ability to deploy a SW development lab, requiring remote & local access - Remote Power capability to all machines/equipment - Remote Console capability to all machines/equipment (x86 and SPARC) - Work with all types of Service Processors, iLOMs, LOMs from various vendors, not just Sun-Oracle (+ HP, Dell, IBM BladeCenter) - Work with BIOS and EFI on x86 machines and OBP on SPARC systems - Be a dependable resource for others in the group - Patience, tenacity, and ability to investigate & resolve sometimes difficult Systems Administration related questions Please send resumes to lorise.best-johnston at oracle.com. 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Reminder, and slight bit of update (books!): In this issue (details further below): 2011-04-19 Tu: BALUG meeting Tu: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy Also, books, Linux CDs and other giveaway items. 2011-05-17: Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds "Slides" from 2011-03-15 BALUG meetnig: Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android (and Android books for 2011-04-19 meeting) Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org ------------------------------ Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-04-19 Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-04-19 meeting, we're proud to present: Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO Gluster[2] on GlusterFS[1] - Petascale Cloud Filesystem Title: - GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem Abstract: As the explosion of unstructured data continues unabated, filesystems are under tremendous architectural strain. Traditional and hybrid filesystem architectures fail to meet the demanding challenges of both public and private clouds and users in these environments struggle with filesystem limitations. The GlusterFS petascale filesystem architecture is designed to easily handle massive amounts of unstructured data and linearly scale performance and capacity in order to efficiently manage unplanned spikes in performance and provide high availability as a standard function of the filesystem. GlusterFS is an Open Source filesystem. Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO As CTO and Co-founder, AB sets the vision and strategy for the Gluster product platform. Prior to Gluster, AB served as CTO at California Digital Corporation[3] (CDC), where his work led to the scaling of the commodity cluster computing to supercomputing class performance. He drove the adoption of cluster computing and GNU/Linux at enterprise data centers and helped close strategic accounts at CDC. In 2004, AB led the development of the world's second fastest Supercomputer "Thunder", for Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory[4]. AB also serves on the board of "Free Software Foundation - India[5]". He is the author / contributor of various other Free Software projects like GNU FreeIPMI (Intelligent Platform Management Interface), GNU Garp (Gratuitous ARP Daemon), bios-config (edit/replicate CMOS parameters), librpci/hdb (RPC interpose for GNU Hurd) and Hymn/PlayFair (iTunes ripper), GNU Freetalk (Scheme extensible messenger for Jabber, Google talk), and Freehoo (Scheme extensible messenger for YahooIM). He holds a Computer Science Engineering degree from Annamalai University, Tamil Nadu, India. 1. http://www.gluster.com/products/glusterfs/ 2. http://www.gluster.com/ 3. http://www.californiadigital.com/ 4. http://www.llnl.gov/ 5. http://www.gnu.org.in/ See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (CDs, etc.) So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such. We've also tweaked our "door prize" / giveaway practices a bit - so RSVPing and arriving sufficiently on time increases one's odds of winning door prize(s) and/or getting first or earlier pick of giveaway items. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, April 19th, 2011 2011-04-19 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following): CDs, books, etc. - have a peek here: Two books on Andriod from Pearson Education User Group Program: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2011-April/004738.html and here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away and/or "door prize" items. ------------------------------ For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-05-17 meeting, we're proud to present: Cloud.com[1]'s Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds As cloud computing has moved beyond hype, becoming a true enterprise-ready tool that cuts IT costs and fits a variety of use cases, IT is seeking new ways to efficiently and cost-effectively build, deploy and manage clouds. Cloud.com's CloudStack Community Edition, available under the GPLv3 license, is an open sourced Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) software platform that simplifies the creation and management of public and private clouds. This platform seamlessly integrates with existing data center infrastructure without the need for modifications, special-purpose hardware or reconfiguration, making it possible for users to instantly realize the benefits of the cloud. CloudStack Community Edition delivers several benefits including: o Massive computing power - providing virtually unlimited CPUs on-demand, as required and billed by actual usage in public, private or hybrid deployments. o Powerful API - Easily build, integrate and use applications based on common cloud APIs like Amazon's Web Services API, Citrix Cloud CenterT (C3) API and the vCloud API o Secure Cloud Computing - Isolating compute, network, and storage resources by user, location and deployment. o Comprehensive Service Management - Defining, metering, deploying and managing services to be consumed within your cloud. o Automated resource distribution - delivering capabilities to automate the distribution of compute, network and storage while adhering to defined policies on load balancing, data security and compliance. o Real-time visibility and reporting capabilities - ensuring compliance, security and comprehensive metering customer usage. o Simplified management - empowering administrators to offset the daily management of services to the end users with a powerful self-service portal that gives the day-to-day management tasks to the user, enabling administrators to focus on more business critical issues while giving the client more control and agility over the service by providing a catalog of custom built and pre-defined machine images. This session will provide best practices for building clouds, and a technical overview and demonstration of CloudStack. Mark Hinkle is Cloud.com's Vice President of Community where he is responsible for driving all of the community efforts around the Cloud.com's leading open source, cloud computing software and ecosystem. Before that he was the force behind the Zenoss Core open source management projects adoption and community involvement, growing community membership to over 100,000 members. He is a co-founder of both the Open Source Management Consortium and the Desktop Linux Consortium, has served as Editor-in-Chief for both LinuxWorld Magazine and Enterprise Open Source Magazine, and authored the book, "Windows to Linux Business Desktop Migration" (Thomson, 2006). Mark has also held executive positions at a number of technology start-ups, including Earthlink, (previously MindSpring)--where he was the head of the technical support organization recognized by PC Computing and PC World as the best in the industry--Win4Lin and Emu Software. 1. http://www.cloud.com/ ------------------------------ "Slides" from the BALUG 2011-03-15 meeting: Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android see: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2011-March/004733.html See also: Two books on Andriod from Pearson Education User Group Program: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2011-April/004738.html ------------------------------ Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org You can now follow BALUG on Twitter. We're still working out exactly how we'll use that BALUG_org account on Twitter, but follow us there, and we'll likely include at least some announcements and updates. Thoughts/feedback on how we use that Twitter account? - drop us a note at: publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Mon Apr 18 15:08:29 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:08:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] monday, tuesday, and wednesday night linux events Message-ID: <1303164509.1600.125.camel@jim-LAPTOP> This week, in addition to our Monday evening meeting at cafe enchante (geary at 26 from 6 to 8), there's tuesday evening: 7:30 to 9:00 or so, balug at the four seas restaurant (grant avenue near sacramento) GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy ... wednesday evening: San Francisco - 6-7PM at The Roastery; 199 New Montgomery St, San Francisco, CA. Contact lyz with any questions. More location info on yelp * Note: For April and May 2011 this has been moved to the 3rd Wednesday https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours also wednesday evening: 6 to 8 PM noisebridge linux discussion group 2169 mission near 18th, press buzzer, go to third floor From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 20:04:40 2011 From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric W. Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:04:40 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] turn off trackpad at startup Message-ID: <4DACFBC8.7000304@gmail.com> This is a command that I would like to be run at login xinput set-int-prop "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" "Device Enabled" 8 0 We put it in at the end of the .bashrc and it doesn't activate until I open a terminal We used it as a script in the GNOME startup, but that didn't work we inserted it into /etc/X11/xinit/xintrc and that didn't work, either. we inserted it into etc/rc2.d , with no avail. How do I keep the trackpad from activating on startup???? Much thanks to the LUG group for all the help ewr From jasonstone at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 20:32:43 2011 From: jasonstone at gmail.com (jason stone) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:32:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] turn off trackpad at startup In-Reply-To: <4DACFBC8.7000304@gmail.com> References: <4DACFBC8.7000304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <603AA37D-F3BC-44F5-9156-AEB44226069D@gmail.com> Eric Are you wanting to disable it at startup and then after? If so, perhaps you have option of disabling in the BIOS. I've done so with my Thinkpad W510 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2011, at 8:04 PM, "Eric W. Rasmussen" wrote: > This is a command that I would like to be run at login > > xinput set-int-prop "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" "Device Enabled" 8 0 > > We put it in at the end of the .bashrc and it doesn't activate until I open a terminal > > We used it as a script in the GNOME startup, but that didn't work > > we inserted it into /etc/X11/xinit/xintrc and that didn't work, either. > > we inserted it into etc/rc2.d , with no avail. > > How do I keep the trackpad from activating on startup???? > > Much thanks to the LUG group for all the help > > ewr > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 02:20:02 2011 From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric W. Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 02:20:02 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Tech podcasts Message-ID: <4DAD53C2.5090003@gmail.com> I was asked by a member to make a list of Tech podcasts that I watch on a daily/weekly basis. As we both agreed, TV is dead. It's all "On Demand" or "a la carte" from here on out. And since these shows aren't on TV... First, I use Miro to aggregate my podcasts. It's cross platform and it has a fairly up-to-date list of shows. Rhythmbox is supposed to have this function, but I've never tried it. The only thing that I don't like about Miro is that it has an included torrent function and it gets in the way of other clients (sans the stock Transmission). Otherwise, I love it. We'll start with video: Tech News Today (TWIT.TV) - Tom Merritt (from CNET Exec. Editor fame) is the host, with Sarah Lane and the new addition of Iyaz Akhtar. They pipe in guests via Skype (skippee) and have honest conversations about the current news floating around. My only complaint is that they get most of their news from Engadget. This Week In Law (TWIT.TV) - Denise Howell discusses law cases with a variety of guest lawyers imported via skippee. The conversation usually revolves around Copyright Law and I have a feeling that they condone pirating because our laws are so antiquated. If you're a law-buff like me, this is a must. GeekBeat.TV - Calie Lewis is peppy! She's a little much at first, but she grows on you. She covers new devices and an affinity for robotics. It's short and fun. Hak5 - Darren Kitchen and Shannon Morse put on a show that I see as, "senseless diatribe", most of the time. It's amazing how lucid Darren can be when on TNT (Tech News Today) and how childish he is on his own show. That said, every week they push out important information regarding valuable hacks. Who doesn't love Man-In-The-Middle attacks at the local coffee shop? Here is the Audio: thisismynextpodcast - The furlough boys from Engadget strike back! We don't know [exactly] why Joshua Topolsky, Nilay Patel, and Paul Miller left the company [Engadget], but we know that they have knowledge and humor. The podcast is awesome, thisismynext.com is wonderful. Engadget - The video shows are infrequent, but the audio podcasts are informative and funny. Sometimes I wish for the professionalism of TNT. I imagine that they are going through a culture shock due to the loss of their executive producers. It's great right now, but I'm sure AOL will screw this up... somehow. OK, kids! That is my review and I hope it gives you some insight. Squawk back with any recommendations. From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 09:01:43 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:01:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Job posting from twitter Message-ID: RT @sjvn: RT @DLWS: We are hiring! 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I recommend that everyone, no matter what their interests, check out "Peter Day's World of Business" from the BBC. -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ A career in Silicon Valley is just like a chess game, only players can move all the pieces every turn and some of the pawns bite. From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 14:37:32 2011 From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:37:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Podcasts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alison, do you know any gpodder client for android? Not finding one is is the main reason I use google listen. On Apr 19, 2011 2:34 PM, "Alison Chaiken" wrote: > I use gpodder as a podcast client. Here are my subscriptions: > > http://gpodder.net/user/alison/subscriptions > > Gpodder is the project of Thomas Perl, a university student in > Austria, and should run on any Linux. Gpodder allows you to > synchronize listening among multiple devices. I use it on desktop, > laptop and Maemo phone. I switched from Rhythmbox, which is mainly > intended as a music player. > > The Engadget podcast used to be a favorite with me too, but with the > personnel changes there, I can barely listen to it any longer. > > I recommend that everyone, no matter what their interests, check out > "Peter Day's World of Business" from the BBC. > > -- > Alison Chaiken > (650) 279-5600 (cell) > http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ > A career in Silicon Valley is just like a chess game, only players can > move all the pieces every turn and some of the pawns bite. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grantbow at ubuntu.com Tue Apr 19 21:21:30 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:21:30 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Job posting from twitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > RT @sjvn: RT @DLWS: We are hiring! Looking for #Linux users, prefer #LTSP > skills, familiar with #Ubuntu - http://ht.ly/4DowJ #jobs Sounds good if you are planning to move to Troy, Michigan anyway. They have great specialized hardware offerings. Grant From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 21:50:45 2011 From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:50:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Tech podcasts In-Reply-To: <4DAD53C2.5090003@gmail.com> References: <4DAD53C2.5090003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DAE6625.7060001@gmail.com> here are mine: A Little Bit of Python * just started on this one, but it appears to be a Python related (da!) interview cast. FLOSS Weekly * from the people who brought you twit.tv, Randal Schwartz interviews project representatives from different Free, Libre, Open Source Software projects GNU World Order Linux OggCast * a Linux related podcast, hosted by Klaatu Gort Going Linux * a Linux beginners podcast, very thorough and beginner, though plugs holes in knowledge even for seasoned Hacker Public Radio * a _VERY_ eclectic collection. essentially, anyone can record a hackerish (not just computers) audio and put it on Illegal Argument * a developer podcast, mostly Java flavored, from New Zealand Linux Outlaws * co-hosted by Dan (UK) and Fab (Germany), a Linux news and discussion podcast. *not children or workplace friendly* Security Now! * another twit.tv cast, security related. Steve Gibson and Leo Leport Software Engineering Radio - the podcast for professional software developers * interviews with representatives of software projects, development methods and more The Java Posse * another software news cast, guess with what focus :) The Linux Action Show! * a linux news and discussion cast, probably the closest to a rock concert it can ever be (no music) this WEEK in TECH * the flagship of twit.tv Ubuntu Podcast from the UK (or UUPC) * Ubuntu centric, though not just. very well constructed, with intermission music and all tried to keep it on a technical level, though there are some more music, popular science and science fictions. On 04/19/2011 02:20 AM, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > I was asked by a member to make a list of Tech podcasts that I watch > on a daily/weekly basis. As we both agreed, TV is dead. It's all > "On Demand" or "a la carte" from here on out. And since these shows > aren't on TV... > > First, I use Miro to aggregate my podcasts. It's cross platform and > it has a fairly up-to-date list of shows. Rhythmbox is supposed to > have this function, but I've never tried it. The only thing that I > don't like about Miro is that it has an included torrent function > and it gets in the way of other clients (sans the stock > Transmission). Otherwise, I love it. > > We'll start with video: > > Tech News Today (TWIT.TV) - Tom Merritt (from CNET Exec. Editor > fame) is the host, with Sarah Lane and the new addition of Iyaz > Akhtar. They pipe in guests via Skype (skippee) and have honest > conversations about the current news floating around. My only > complaint is that they get most of their news from Engadget. > > This Week In Law (TWIT.TV) - Denise Howell discusses law cases with > a variety of guest lawyers imported via skippee. The conversation > usually revolves around Copyright Law and I have a feeling that they > condone pirating because our laws are so antiquated. If you're a > law-buff like me, this is a must. > > GeekBeat.TV - Calie Lewis is peppy! She's a little much at first, > but she grows on you. She covers new devices and an affinity for > robotics. It's short and fun. > > Hak5 - Darren Kitchen and Shannon Morse put on a show that I see as, > "senseless diatribe", most of the time. It's amazing how lucid > Darren can be when on TNT (Tech News Today) and how childish he is > on his own show. That said, every week they push out important > information regarding valuable hacks. Who doesn't love > Man-In-The-Middle attacks at the local coffee shop? > > Here is the Audio: > > thisismynextpodcast - The furlough boys from Engadget strike back! > We don't know [exactly] why Joshua Topolsky, Nilay Patel, and Paul > Miller left the company [Engadget], but we know that they have > knowledge and humor. The podcast is awesome, thisismynext.com is > wonderful. > > Engadget - The video shows are infrequent, but the audio podcasts > are informative and funny. Sometimes I wish for the professionalism > of TNT. I imagine that they are going through a culture shock due > to the loss of their executive producers. It's great right now, but > I'm sure AOL will screw this up... somehow. > > > > OK, kids! That is my review and I hope it gives you some insight. > Squawk back with any recommendations. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alchaiken at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 12:33:09 2011 From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:33:09 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] podcasts Message-ID: I subscribed to the Software Engineering Radio and thisismynext podcasts. If Darren Murph appears again on the Engadget podcast, I'm going to unsubscribe. The Engadget Mobile podcast remains useful, though. Thanks, Eric and Ehud, for the suggestions. -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ A career in Silicon Valley is just like a chess game, only players can move all the pieces every turn and some of the pawns bite. From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Apr 20 12:49:52 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:49:52 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] podcasts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110420194952.GW26669@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Alison Chaiken (alchaiken at gmail.com): > If Darren Murph appears again on the Engadget podcast, I'm going to > unsubscribe. There's obviously a story there, though I suspect it's a bad one. ;-> 'Guinness World Record for being the most prolific professional blogger on planet Earth' sounds ominous, not to mention his reportedly employing the terms 'bling' and 'wicked cool' frequently. Might one be tempted to diagnose aerocephalism? From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Apr 20 16:36:30 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:36:30 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] last meeting of SF LUG In-Reply-To: <4DA33378.7050604@sfo.com> References: <4DA33378.7050604@sfo.com> Message-ID: <20110420233630.GE26669@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > If I could see the post I wrote on the list > I would have responded to it. > Jim is still quite ill. > May be better in a few days or still quite > ill. Bobbie -- I was out of the country, so didn't see your posting (of April 11th) until just now. Gosh, I very much hope Jim is doing better, now. I know what it's like to be seriously ill, and it's certainly saddening to hear that Jim's been having to go through something like that. From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Thu Apr 21 12:54:21 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:54:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] last meeting of SF LUG In-Reply-To: <20110420233630.GE26669@linuxmafia.com> References: <4DA33378.7050604@sfo.com> <20110420233630.GE26669@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4DB08B6D.4070507@dslextreme.com> On 04/20/2011 04:36 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > >> If I could see the post I wrote on the list >> I would have responded to it. >> Jim is still quite ill. >> May be better in a few days or still quite >> ill. > Bobbie -- > > I was out of the country, so didn't see your posting (of April 11th) > until just now. > > Gosh, I very much hope Jim is doing better, now. I know what it's like > to be seriously ill, and it's certainly saddening to hear that Jim's > been having to go through something like that. Jim is all better at the last meeting on Monday. I was very happy to see that. later Bobbie From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Apr 22 17:58:55 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:58:55 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Cheap router In-Reply-To: References: <4DA084D7.4080502@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20110423005855.GA2398@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Grant Bowman (grantbow at ubuntu.com): > Try to get an WGR614L (aka. v8) if you have a choice. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netgear_WGR614L A used one is available > from Amazon for $15 + shipping right now. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002FOTH44 That's pretty sweet for a perfectly OK little device. Grant, I owe you a debt of thanks for speaking up and recommending OpenWRT for the Linksys WRT54g v. 3 WAP[1] I came by a couple of years ago, when I was talking about DD-WRT for it. That was very much the right choice, and it's a real workhorse - amazing. All the frustration CABAL had endured in trying to rely on my wife's Apple Airport Express went away. (Daniel Gimpelevich helped me compile the then-beta release of OpenWRT onto it, which was then desirable because that gave you the better and finally completely open source Broadcom b43 driver.) So, thanks! What I'd really _like_ to find, it strikes me, is a WAP with Atheros WiFi rather than Broadcom, slightly less cramped RAM/disk (8 MB flash, 64 MB RAM), and one or two HiSpeed USB 2.0 ports instead of the current no external connector at all. Word I hear is that such units do emerge from time to time and show up via online retailers, and what happens is that a mob of canny Linux users make a land-grab and by up the entire production run. I guess I want to be one of those guys, next time. ;-> [1] Linksys WRT54g has: Platform: Broadcom 4712 @ 200 MHz Flash: 4 MB RAM: 16 MB Wireless NIC: Broadcom (integrated) Wired ports: 5 VLAN config: yes Serial: yes JTAG: Yes USB: no Switch: BCM5325 boot_wait: off From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sat Apr 23 09:47:35 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:47:35 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] for your edit SF-LUG Meeting of Monday April 18, 2011 Message-ID: <4DB302A7.5060209@sfo.com> Hi LUGers Got to the Cafe about 1740. Alex and Jim Stockford had arrived ahead of me. Jim's health seems to be restored. We had two new participants at the meeting both technically skilled having worked in various facets of the industry Eric and Al(?), Jeff showed up later. Eric was also an excellent salesman for various firms. It seemed everyone but myself helped Eric with a problem with shutting off the touch pad on his big notebook. I got my notebook booted up with the MacPup 5.20 and it certainly seems worthwhile being able to save its prefs and other stuff back to the boot medium or to a file on the installed hard disk. Tried to create a USB Flash drive boot mediun but have not yet found the time to test it. 2000 meeting over and Alex seemed to be giving Jeff a ride home, Jim gave myself and the two new members a ride home. Eric saved me a problem as he brought out my power adapter for the notebook. later bobbie From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sat Apr 23 09:48:22 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:48:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Meeting of Monday April 18, 2011 Message-ID: <4DB302D6.7070304@dslextreme.com> Hi LUGers Got to the Cafe about 1740. Alex and Jim Stockford had arrived ahead of me. Jim's health seems to be restored. We had two new participants at the meeting both technically skilled having worked in various facets of the industry Eric and Al(?), Jeff showed up later. Eric was also an excellent salesman for various firms. It seemed everyone but myself helped Eric with a problem with shutting off the touch pad on his big notebook. I got my notebook booted up with the MacPup 5.20 and it certainly seems worthwhile being able to save its prefs and other stuff back to the boot medium or to a file on the installed hard disk. Tried to create a USB Flash drive boot mediun but have not yet found the time to test it. 2000 meeting over and Alex seemed to be giving Jeff a ride home, Jim gave myself and the two new members a ride home. Eric saved me a problem as he brought out my power adapter for the notebook. later bobbie From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 12:38:54 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:38:54 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Meeting of Monday April 18, 2011 In-Reply-To: <4DB302D6.7070304@dslextreme.com> References: <4DB302D6.7070304@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: Bobbie, After your demo of Macpup earlier this month, I did set up an usb stick, using unetbootin. Had some trouble getting it to boot until I edited all the pmedia=idecd to pmedia=usb in the syslinux.cfg and isolinux.cfg files. I guess the pmedia=usb could be a command line option at boot time too, but then you'd need to type it every time. A very nice little system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's based on Knoppix, and uses the open e-uae Amiga emulator -- but it didn't work until changing some permissions on the filesystems, and editing the startup scripts a bit. I did get the usb stick to boot into an Amiga emulation, and then added all my old Amiga files from my backups -- voila, a restored Amiga netboot! Turns out my 14" AMD turion laptop gets very hot running the Amiga emulation (e-uae is a package choice right off the Ubuntu synaptic package manager!), but the netbook Intel atom n450 CPU runs it and stays cool. All the games and demos the AmigaForever distribution gives you seem to just run on the Windows installation, and not the Linux "kxlight" install. I didn't need the games/demos, just the rom-kernel images for running the e-uae. I still have an Amiga Font editor I'd like to run to complete a true-type font with my signature. Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Apr 27 15:41:47 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:41:47 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Hurrah, Horrah! the First of May! Message-ID: <4DB89BAB.60702@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG will meet that day! SF-LUG meets on the First Sunday May First from 11 AM to 1 PM at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue. All meeting times are nominal. Bring your problems and if no one in attendance can solve a problem we know where to find more help. I have the most recent news stand issues of Linux Pro and Linux Journal(really more Pro than LP). Hope to see you there. later bliss Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. (415) 251-9136 If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Wed Apr 27 17:20:34 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:20:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Tablet PCs from Intel Thursday 4/28 at Moscone Message-ID: <20110427172034.177826k17y2wslb4@webmail.rawbw.com> ----- Forwarded message from petermui at gmail.com ----- Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:55:54 -0700 From: "Peter Mui" Subject: Tablet PCs from Intel Thursday 4/28 at Moscone To: "Michael Paoli" (Hi Michael, can you forward this to the BALUG list? Are there any other local *NIX lists you think it's appropriate for? Thanks, -Peter) Subject: Tablet PCs from Intel Thursday 4/28 at Moscone Intel is launching an app store and playing catch up in the tablet space, trying to get people to develop apps for the Open Source Meego OS running on Intel processors. As such, Intel is handing out EXOPC tablets to everyone who attends either of two events at AppNation Tomorrow (Thursday 4/28) at Moscone Center. Follow this link: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/events You don't have to register and pay for the AppNation conference itself but it seems you do have to register for the Intel AppUp Developer Program AND explicitly join the IntelAtom Developer Network developer program (fee waived for now.) Also: note that you can skip entering any paypal registration info and it still lets you register. You have to sit through a presentation on Meego and how to develop for it, but they are offering lots of prizes for developing and/or porting apps to the Intel App Store. -Peter ----- End forwarded message ----- From micahflee at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 15:05:42 2011 From: micahflee at gmail.com (Micah Lee) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:05:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help get Ubuntu LiveCD to have encryption options! Message-ID: <4DB9E4B6.6050302@gmail.com> I apologize to people who are also subscribed to noisebridge-discuss who I just sent the same plea to, but I think it's important and LUGers are likely to care :). A lot of us are Ubuntu users, and also a lot of us are cypherpunks. With every Ubuntu release (happy Ubuntu Natty release day!) I'm reminded that I need to download the alternate CD instead of the normal desktop CD if I want to use whole disk encryption, which is really important for every laptop user and is easy to use and built into the operating system. But why the alternate CD instead of the normal desktop LiveCD? Because they just haven't programmed it yet. I recently talked to the chief technical officer of the Ubuntu project, Matt Zimmerman, who told me that ideas that gain steam on http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ actually get implemented. Please create an Ubuntu Brainstorm account and upvote solution #1 on this idea and spread the word: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24712/ If you can just click "encrypt my hard drive" during the install, a lot of people who have no idea that whole disk encryption is an option with Ubuntu will have much stronger security. And I'll finally be able to download the normal desktop CD to install Ubuntu. Micah From smaffulli at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 17:16:53 2011 From: smaffulli at gmail.com (Stefano Maffulli) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:16:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help get Ubuntu LiveCD to have encryption options! In-Reply-To: <4DB9E4B6.6050302@gmail.com> References: <4DB9E4B6.6050302@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't installed a new version of Ubuntu for a long time: why would one need to encrypt the whole disk? IIRC Ubuntu's installer allows to encrypt /home partition: do I remember wrong? thanks s 2011/4/28 Micah Lee > I apologize to people who are also subscribed to noisebridge-discuss who I > just sent the same plea to, but I think it's important and LUGers are likely > to care :). > > A lot of us are Ubuntu users, and also a lot of us are cypherpunks. With > every Ubuntu release (happy Ubuntu Natty release day!) I'm reminded that I > need to download the alternate CD instead of the normal desktop CD if I want > to use whole disk encryption, which is really important for every laptop > user and is easy to use and built into the operating system. But why the > alternate CD instead of the normal desktop LiveCD? Because they just haven't > programmed it yet. > > I recently talked to the chief technical officer of the Ubuntu project, > Matt Zimmerman, who told me that ideas that gain steam on > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ actually get implemented. Please create an > Ubuntu Brainstorm account and upvote solution #1 on this idea and spread the > word: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24712/ > > If you can just click "encrypt my hard drive" during the install, a lot of > people who have no idea that whole disk encryption is an option with Ubuntu > will have much stronger security. And I'll finally be able to download the > normal desktop CD to install Ubuntu. > > Micah > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Apr 28 17:31:08 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:31:08 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help get Ubuntu LiveCD to have encryption options! In-Reply-To: References: <4DB9E4B6.6050302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110429003108.GD16041@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Stefano Maffulli (smaffulli at gmail.com): > I haven't installed a new version of Ubuntu for a long time: why would one > need to encrypt the whole disk? IIRC Ubuntu's installer allows to encrypt > /home partition: do I remember wrong? If memory serves: The alternate disk offers that option. The 'desktop' disk, the one that boots a live CD desktop with an optional graphical installer, does not. I personally always suggest favouring the alternate disk for installation, anyway. Its ncurses-based installer program (which is Debian's installer) is considerably more robust, controllable, and able to be steered around occasional installation potholes. Also faster and able to run in much less RAM, for obvious reasons. -- Cheers, "The first thing I do in the morning Rick Moen is brush my teeth and sharpen my tongue." rick at linuxmafia.com -- Dorothy Parker McQ! (4x80) From micahflee at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 17:49:57 2011 From: micahflee at gmail.com (Micah Lee) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:49:57 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help get Ubuntu LiveCD to have encryption options! In-Reply-To: <20110429003108.GD16041@linuxmafia.com> References: <4DB9E4B6.6050302@gmail.com> <20110429003108.GD16041@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4DBA0B35.4080802@gmail.com> > Quoting Stefano Maffulli (smaffulli at gmail.com): > I haven't installed a new version of Ubuntu for a long time: why would one > need to encrypt the whole disk? IIRC Ubuntu's installer allows to encrypt > /home partition: do I remember wrong? Just encrypting /home leaves you vulnerable to lots of attacks that whole disk encryption protects against. For example, your swap partition will likely contain private data. Also, most of your software binaries are in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, and other similar places. If you only encrypt /home, an attacker with physical access can modify, for example, /usr/bin/ssh with a malicious version that sends them all of your ssh credentials whenever you run that program. Since /etc is not encrypted, an attacker can add a rootkit and make it start on boot. Whole disk encryption protects you against these attacks. On 04/28/2011 05:31 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > If memory serves: The alternate disk offers that option. The 'desktop' > disk, the one that boots a live CD desktop with an optional graphical > installer, does not. I haven't tried installing Ubuntu from the graphical installer, but I believe they both give you the option to encrypt /home. But it uses ecryptfs which leaks metadata and has performance issues with large directories that luks/dm-crypt does not have. > I personally always suggest favouring the alternate disk for > installation, anyway. Its ncurses-based installer program (which is > Debian's installer) is considerably more robust, controllable, and able > to be steered around occasional installation potholes. Also faster and > able to run in much less RAM, for obvious reasons. The vast majority of Ubuntu users use the desktop CD to install, since this is recommended to them when they download from ubuntu.com. Really the only feature that the alternate CD gives me that the desktop CD doesn't (that I care about) is whole disk encryption, but that's a deal-breaker feature for me. It's great that the alternate CD exists, but if we ever hope to make it normal for laptop users to encrypt their drives, this has be closer to default behavior. From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Apr 28 19:27:11 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:27:11 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help get Ubuntu LiveCD to have encryption options! In-Reply-To: <4DBA0B35.4080802@gmail.com> References: <4DB9E4B6.6050302@gmail.com> <20110429003108.GD16041@linuxmafia.com> <4DBA0B35.4080802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110429022711.GE16041@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Micah Lee (micahflee at gmail.com): > I haven't tried installing Ubuntu from the graphical installer, but > I believe they both give you the option to encrypt /home. http://www.cjlinux.com/system/installation/how-to-install-ubuntu-with-an-encrypted-file-system.html Presently, the advanced partitioner capable of configuring an encrypted file system is only included on the Ubuntu Alternate Install CD. That item was dated August 4th, 2009. So, let's look at the 11.04 release announcement. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes Hmm, not _really_ clear (pretty vague), but some of the wording suggests install-time functionality's still restricted to the alternate disk. (They're too busy telling people how much they'll love Unity to bother with a real feature list.) > The vast majority of Ubuntu users use the desktop CD to install, > since this is recommended to them when they download from > ubuntu.com. The vast majority of radio stations used to play disco, and a lot of people still think Celine Dion can sing and Andrew Lloyd Webber can write music. ;-> From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 20:29:49 2011 From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric W. Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:29:49 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 Message-ID: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> First, let me state that when it comes time to reinstall Linux, Ubuntu will not be a choice. I am at a point now that I am considering redoing everything just to get this monster off my machine. This is definitely one of those times when a spare computer comes in handy. I had read some good things about 11.04 and it was asking me to upgrade, so I said, "Sure. What could possibly go wrong"? I am reminded of Windows Me and Vista. It's that bad, or maybe worse. When it first loaded I expected all of my GUI customizations to be destroyed, but they weren't. This made me worry because I was under the impression that Unity was an independent GUI. The fact that it held on to my gnome/nautilus settings meant that there were going to be compatibility issues. I was not wrong. I'm going to start with their pride and joy... that trainwreck of a launchbar. The thing is huge and unwieldy. What makes it all worse is that the main menu is scrapped, so if you want a program that is not in the launch bar, you have to go and search it out in a full screen jungle. What they are trying to do here is be more like OSX, but they fail when it comes to going directly to a folder in "Places"... cuz it ain't there anymore!!!! Well, that's not true, exactly. Just like OSX and "Finder", if you have a program open it tries to display the menu in the header toolbar. So you basically have to minimize all open windows and then... AND GET THIS.... Mouseover on the toolbar to see the places link!!! It's hidden unless you know that it is there. Otherwise, you are forced to click your way through your /home directory, or worse, open /home and backup to get into /root . No more quick shortcuts to /var/www/ !!!! You know how you can have minimized windows in the taskbar? Not anymore. You have to click on the launchbar, just like OSX. Oh, sure... the behemoth disappears when a program is in full screen mode (after a while), but what good is that when you have to switch quickly through programs? Workspaces has been eternally screwed. One thing that they did was disable the drag option. You know... you want to throw a window over to another desktop. But you can't because Unity now tries to resize it like in Win7. Which I think is a really great feature when you are dealing with an OS that doesn't have multiple desktop functionality. I used to also enjoy my custom keystroke to show all desktops at once. Really handy when I want to minimize everything so that people don't eavesdrop on my work when I get up for a cup of coffee. I really liked having my Shutoff Button on the left top. Now I can't move it at all from the top right. In fact, any widget that you wanted to load in the top bar is gone. So my systems monitor graph that I use to watch resources has to be accessed through the applications jungle. Is there something up there that is useless to you? Like the Broadcast/Chat program? It's there forever now. Good luck reconfiguring it so that it all works. Even if you do figure out how to change the size of the Launchbar, the Desktop Effects program isn't even set as default and it can't be accessed in the Menu Jungle. I have also noticed that it is sucking battery power a little more than before. I've lost about 20 minutes of a 4.5 hour battery. So, anyway. I had to go back to Login Screen settings and set it back to Ubuntu Classic. It has taken away some of the things that I really liked about it and I am seriously thinking of switching to another Distro. Any recommendations? I'm a student of Linux with moderate skills. Thanks for hearing my rant. Ubuntu 11.04 is junk. ewr From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 22:58:08 2011 From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:58:08 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> Message-ID: i must say that i had similar experience when i tried Gnome3 on Ubuntu 10.10. IT IS a slicker interface, but there were couple of things that i did not get with, and there is no way to change them. no drag drop, no easy config util, no adding applets, not removing or moving them. same favorites menu to begin with, with everything else in a single, jungle slide out menu, with 3 columns, looking like a Windows98 start->programs that was left unattended for a million installs. i could do with the config __not fitting my needs__ had there been a way to change anything. it did not occur to me then, but reading what Eric wrote makes me think that in an attempt to appeal to the Windows and Mac market share, both Unity and Gnome3 implemented a locked-down, one-size-will-fit-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not model. too bad. Ehud On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > First, let me state that when it comes time to reinstall Linux, Ubuntu will > not be a choice. I am at a point now that I am considering redoing > everything just to get this monster off my machine. This is definitely one > of those times when a spare computer comes in handy. I had read some good > things about 11.04 and it was asking me to upgrade, so I said, "Sure. What > could possibly go wrong"? I am reminded of Windows Me and Vista. It's that > bad, or maybe worse. > > When it first loaded I expected all of my GUI customizations to be > destroyed, but they weren't. This made me worry because I was under the > impression that Unity was an independent GUI. The fact that it held on to > my gnome/nautilus settings meant that there were going to be compatibility > issues. I was not wrong. > > I'm going to start with their pride and joy... that trainwreck of a > launchbar. The thing is huge and unwieldy. What makes it all worse is that > the main menu is scrapped, so if you want a program that is not in the > launch bar, you have to go and search it out in a full screen jungle. What > they are trying to do here is be more like OSX, but they fail when it comes > to going directly to a folder in "Places"... cuz it ain't there anymore!!!! > Well, that's not true, exactly. Just like OSX and "Finder", if you have a > program open it tries to display the menu in the header toolbar. So you > basically have to minimize all open windows and then... AND GET THIS.... > Mouseover on the toolbar to see the places link!!! It's hidden unless you > know that it is there. Otherwise, you are forced to click your way through > your /home directory, or worse, open /home and backup to get into /root . No > more quick shortcuts to /var/www/ !!!! > > You know how you can have minimized windows in the taskbar? Not anymore. > You have to click on the launchbar, just like OSX. Oh, sure... the > behemoth disappears when a program is in full screen mode (after a while), > but what good is that when you have to switch quickly through programs? > > Workspaces has been eternally screwed. One thing that they did was disable > the drag option. You know... you want to throw a window over to another > desktop. But you can't because Unity now tries to resize it like in Win7. > Which I think is a really great feature when you are dealing with an OS > that doesn't have multiple desktop functionality. I used to also enjoy my > custom keystroke to show all desktops at once. Really handy when I want to > minimize everything so that people don't eavesdrop on my work when I get up > for a cup of coffee. > > I really liked having my Shutoff Button on the left top. Now I can't move > it at all from the top right. In fact, any widget that you wanted to load > in the top bar is gone. So my systems monitor graph that I use to watch > resources has to be accessed through the applications jungle. Is there > something up there that is useless to you? Like the Broadcast/Chat program? > It's there forever now. > > Good luck reconfiguring it so that it all works. Even if you do figure out > how to change the size of the Launchbar, the Desktop Effects program isn't > even set as default and it can't be accessed in the Menu Jungle. > > I have also noticed that it is sucking battery power a little more than > before. I've lost about 20 minutes of a 4.5 hour battery. > > So, anyway. I had to go back to Login Screen settings and set it back to > Ubuntu Classic. It has taken away some of the things that I really liked > about it and I am seriously thinking of switching to another Distro. Any > recommendations? I'm a student of Linux with moderate skills. > > Thanks for hearing my rant. Ubuntu 11.04 is junk. > > ewr > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 00:23:24 2011 From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric W. Rasmussen) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:23:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DBBB8EC.8070809@gmail.com> Seriously!!! How hard is it to pre-load Cairo-Dock? I know that Ubuntu is going after the touch screen market, but winning the desktop is paramount to the tablet market. I know that we {Linux Users} are in the minority, but it is us that dictates the future of technology. On 04/29/2011 10:58 PM, Ehud Kaldor wrote: > i must say that i had similar experience when i tried Gnome3 on Ubuntu > 10.10. > IT IS a slicker interface, but there were couple of things that i did > not get with, and there is no way to change them. no drag drop, no > easy config util, no adding applets, not removing or moving them. same > favorites menu to begin with, with everything else in a single, jungle > slide out menu, with 3 columns, looking like a Windows98 > start->programs that was left unattended for a million installs. > i could do with the config __not fitting my needs__ had there been a > way to change anything. it did not occur to me then, but reading what > Eric wrote makes me think that in an attempt to appeal to the Windows > and Mac market share, both Unity and Gnome3 implemented a locked-down, > one-size-will-fit-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not model. too bad. > > Ehud > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Eric W. Rasmussen > > wrote: > > First, let me state that when it comes time to reinstall Linux, > Ubuntu will not be a choice. I am at a point now that I am > considering redoing everything just to get this monster off my > machine. This is definitely one of those times when a spare > computer comes in handy. I had read some good things about 11.04 > and it was asking me to upgrade, so I said, "Sure. What could > possibly go wrong"? I am reminded of Windows Me and Vista. It's > that bad, or maybe worse. > > When it first loaded I expected all of my GUI customizations to be > destroyed, but they weren't. This made me worry because I was > under the impression that Unity was an independent GUI. The fact > that it held on to my gnome/nautilus settings meant that there > were going to be compatibility issues. I was not wrong. > > I'm going to start with their pride and joy... that trainwreck of > a launchbar. The thing is huge and unwieldy. What makes it all > worse is that the main menu is scrapped, so if you want a program > that is not in the launch bar, you have to go and search it out in > a full screen jungle. What they are trying to do here is be more > like OSX, but they fail when it comes to going directly to a > folder in "Places"... cuz it ain't there anymore!!!! Well, that's > not true, exactly. Just like OSX and "Finder", if you have a > program open it tries to display the menu in the header toolbar. > So you basically have to minimize all open windows and then... > AND GET THIS.... Mouseover on the toolbar to see the places > link!!! It's hidden unless you know that it is there. Otherwise, > you are forced to click your way through your /home directory, or > worse, open /home and backup to get into /root . No more quick > shortcuts to /var/www/ !!!! > > You know how you can have minimized windows in the taskbar? Not > anymore. You have to click on the launchbar, just like OSX. Oh, > sure... the behemoth disappears when a program is in full screen > mode (after a while), but what good is that when you have to > switch quickly through programs? > > Workspaces has been eternally screwed. One thing that they did > was disable the drag option. You know... you want to throw a > window over to another desktop. But you can't because Unity now > tries to resize it like in Win7. Which I think is a really great > feature when you are dealing with an OS that doesn't have multiple > desktop functionality. I used to also enjoy my custom keystroke > to show all desktops at once. Really handy when I want to > minimize everything so that people don't eavesdrop on my work when > I get up for a cup of coffee. > > I really liked having my Shutoff Button on the left top. Now I > can't move it at all from the top right. In fact, any widget that > you wanted to load in the top bar is gone. So my systems monitor > graph that I use to watch resources has to be accessed through the > applications jungle. Is there something up there that is useless > to you? Like the Broadcast/Chat program? It's there forever now. > > Good luck reconfiguring it so that it all works. Even if you do > figure out how to change the size of the Launchbar, the Desktop > Effects program isn't even set as default and it can't be accessed > in the Menu Jungle. > > I have also noticed that it is sucking battery power a little more > than before. I've lost about 20 minutes of a 4.5 hour battery. > > So, anyway. I had to go back to Login Screen settings and set it > back to Ubuntu Classic. It has taken away some of the things that > I really liked about it and I am seriously thinking of switching > to another Distro. Any recommendations? I'm a student of Linux > with moderate skills. > > Thanks for hearing my rant. Ubuntu 11.04 is junk. > > ewr > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kai.salmon.chang at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 03:08:25 2011 From: kai.salmon.chang at gmail.com (Kai Chang) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:08:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: <4DBBB8EC.8070809@gmail.com> References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> <4DBBB8EC.8070809@gmail.com> Message-ID: No one dictates the future of technology. We are all along for the ride. I will be grateful my whole life for the emancipating experience of Ubuntu. I went from using almost exclusively commercial software to almost exclusively free software, plus some web services, in the era of desktop and laptop computers. What a graceful, optimistic operating system. I haven't installed natty yet, but I'm excited about the new keyboard shortcuts and window management. Might have to tune down the whiz-bang graphics, but hey, I do like to check how elastic minimizing windows are before I turn that nonsense off. Driver support for new laptops has been fantastic recently. If Ubuntu wants to tackle touch devices, I support them with all my heart. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Eric W. Rasmussen < ericwrasmussen at gmail.com> wrote: > Seriously!!! How hard is it to pre-load Cairo-Dock? I know that Ubuntu is > going after the touch screen market, but winning the desktop is paramount to > the tablet market. I know that we {Linux Users} are in the minority, but it > is us that dictates the future of technology. > > > On 04/29/2011 10:58 PM, Ehud Kaldor wrote: > > i must say that i had similar experience when i tried Gnome3 on Ubuntu > 10.10. > IT IS a slicker interface, but there were couple of things that i did not > get with, and there is no way to change them. no drag drop, no easy config > util, no adding applets, not removing or moving them. same favorites menu to > begin with, with everything else in a single, jungle slide out menu, with 3 > columns, looking like a Windows98 start->programs that was left unattended > for a million installs. > i could do with the config __not fitting my needs__ had there been a way to > change anything. it did not occur to me then, but reading what Eric wrote > makes me think that in an attempt to appeal to the Windows and Mac market > share, both Unity and Gnome3 implemented a locked-down, > one-size-will-fit-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not model. too bad. > > Ehud > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Eric W. Rasmussen < > ericwrasmussen at gmail.com> wrote: > >> First, let me state that when it comes time to reinstall Linux, Ubuntu >> will not be a choice. I am at a point now that I am considering redoing >> everything just to get this monster off my machine. This is definitely one >> of those times when a spare computer comes in handy. I had read some good >> things about 11.04 and it was asking me to upgrade, so I said, "Sure. What >> could possibly go wrong"? I am reminded of Windows Me and Vista. It's that >> bad, or maybe worse. >> >> When it first loaded I expected all of my GUI customizations to be >> destroyed, but they weren't. This made me worry because I was under the >> impression that Unity was an independent GUI. The fact that it held on to >> my gnome/nautilus settings meant that there were going to be compatibility >> issues. I was not wrong. >> >> I'm going to start with their pride and joy... that trainwreck of a >> launchbar. The thing is huge and unwieldy. What makes it all worse is that >> the main menu is scrapped, so if you want a program that is not in the >> launch bar, you have to go and search it out in a full screen jungle. What >> they are trying to do here is be more like OSX, but they fail when it comes >> to going directly to a folder in "Places"... cuz it ain't there anymore!!!! >> Well, that's not true, exactly. Just like OSX and "Finder", if you have a >> program open it tries to display the menu in the header toolbar. So you >> basically have to minimize all open windows and then... AND GET THIS.... >> Mouseover on the toolbar to see the places link!!! It's hidden unless you >> know that it is there. Otherwise, you are forced to click your way through >> your /home directory, or worse, open /home and backup to get into /root . No >> more quick shortcuts to /var/www/ !!!! >> >> You know how you can have minimized windows in the taskbar? Not anymore. >> You have to click on the launchbar, just like OSX. Oh, sure... the >> behemoth disappears when a program is in full screen mode (after a while), >> but what good is that when you have to switch quickly through programs? >> >> Workspaces has been eternally screwed. One thing that they did was >> disable the drag option. You know... you want to throw a window over to >> another desktop. But you can't because Unity now tries to resize it like in >> Win7. Which I think is a really great feature when you are dealing with an >> OS that doesn't have multiple desktop functionality. I used to also enjoy >> my custom keystroke to show all desktops at once. Really handy when I want >> to minimize everything so that people don't eavesdrop on my work when I get >> up for a cup of coffee. >> >> I really liked having my Shutoff Button on the left top. Now I can't move >> it at all from the top right. In fact, any widget that you wanted to load >> in the top bar is gone. So my systems monitor graph that I use to watch >> resources has to be accessed through the applications jungle. Is there >> something up there that is useless to you? Like the Broadcast/Chat program? >> It's there forever now. >> >> Good luck reconfiguring it so that it all works. Even if you do figure >> out how to change the size of the Launchbar, the Desktop Effects program >> isn't even set as default and it can't be accessed in the Menu Jungle. >> >> I have also noticed that it is sucking battery power a little more than >> before. I've lost about 20 minutes of a 4.5 hour battery. >> >> So, anyway. I had to go back to Login Screen settings and set it back to >> Ubuntu Classic. It has taken away some of the things that I really liked >> about it and I am seriously thinking of switching to another Distro. Any >> recommendations? I'm a student of Linux with moderate skills. >> >> Thanks for hearing my rant. Ubuntu 11.04 is junk. >> >> ewr >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grantbow at ubuntu.com Sat Apr 30 03:57:20 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:57:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> <4DBBB8EC.8070809@gmail.com> Message-ID: Want your input heard rather than wasting electrons? Attend uds.ubuntu.com May 9-13 remotely (live audio and IRC shown prominently in each room) and be a part of the solution. Attend physically (like in Florida over five months ago) and be in the next group picture. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_1Thkya8n93k/TVRdlCI731I/AAAAAAAAfnY/IByr-s3cSv4/uds7.jpg I know first hand this is an amazing group of real people that welcome opinionated and reasoned input that go into the decisions made every UDS. You can also participate at ubuntu-california.org Grant On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Kai Chang wrote: > No one dictates the future of technology. We are all along for the ride. > > I will be grateful my whole life for the emancipating experience of Ubuntu. > I went from using almost exclusively commercial software to almost > exclusively free software, plus some web services, in the era of desktop and > laptop computers. > > What a graceful, optimistic operating system. > > I haven't installed natty yet, but I'm excited about the new keyboard > shortcuts and window management. Might have to tune down the whiz-bang > graphics, but hey, I do like to check how elastic minimizing windows are > before I turn that nonsense off. > > Driver support for new laptops has been fantastic recently. If Ubuntu wants > to tackle touch devices, I support them with all my heart. > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Eric W. Rasmussen > wrote: >> >> Seriously!!! How hard is it to pre-load Cairo-Dock?? I know that Ubuntu is >> going after the touch screen market, but winning the desktop is paramount to >> the tablet market.? I know that we {Linux Users} are in the minority, but it >> is us that dictates the future of technology. >> >> On 04/29/2011 10:58 PM, Ehud Kaldor wrote: >> >> i must say that i had similar experience when i tried Gnome3 on Ubuntu >> 10.10. >> IT IS a slicker interface, but there were couple of things that i did not >> get with, and there is no way to change them. no drag drop, no easy config >> util, no adding applets, not removing or moving them. same favorites menu to >> begin with, with everything else in a single, jungle slide out menu, with 3 >> columns, looking like a Windows98 start->programs that was left unattended >> for a million installs. >> i could do with the config __not fitting my needs__ had there been a way >> to change anything. it did not occur to me then, but reading what Eric wrote >> makes me think that in an attempt to appeal to the Windows and Mac market >> share, both Unity and Gnome3 implemented a locked-down, >> one-size-will-fit-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not model. too bad. >> >> Ehud >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Eric W. Rasmussen >> wrote: >>> >>> First, let me state that when it comes time to reinstall Linux, Ubuntu >>> will not be a choice. ?I am at a point now that I am considering redoing >>> everything just to get this monster off my machine. This is definitely one >>> of those times when a spare computer comes in handy. ?I had read some good >>> things about 11.04 and it was asking me to upgrade, so I said, "Sure. ?What >>> could possibly go wrong"? I am reminded of Windows Me and Vista. ?It's that >>> bad, or maybe worse. >>> >>> When it first loaded I expected all of my GUI customizations to be >>> destroyed, but they weren't. ?This made me worry because I was under the >>> impression that Unity was an independent GUI. ?The fact that it held on to >>> my gnome/nautilus settings meant that there were going to be compatibility >>> issues. ?I was not wrong. >>> >>> I'm going to start with their pride and joy... that trainwreck of a >>> launchbar. The thing is huge and unwieldy. ?What makes it all worse is that >>> the main menu is scrapped, so if you want a program that is not in the >>> launch bar, you have to go and search it out in a full screen jungle. What >>> they are trying to do here is be more like OSX, but they fail when it comes >>> to going directly to a folder in "Places"... cuz it ain't there anymore!!!! >>> ?Well, that's not true, exactly. ?Just like OSX and "Finder", if you have a >>> program open it tries to display the menu in the header toolbar. ?So you >>> basically have to minimize all open windows and then... AND GET THIS.... >>> Mouseover on the toolbar to see the places link!!! ?It's hidden unless you >>> know that it is there. ?Otherwise, you are forced to click your way through >>> your /home directory, or worse, open /home and backup to get into /root . No >>> more quick shortcuts to /var/www/ !!!! >>> >>> You know how you can have minimized windows in the taskbar? ?Not anymore. >>> ?You have to click on the launchbar, just like OSX. ?Oh, sure... the >>> behemoth disappears when a program is in full screen mode (after a while), >>> but what good is that when you have to switch quickly through programs? >>> >>> Workspaces has been eternally screwed. ?One thing that they did was >>> disable the drag option. ?You know... you want to throw a window over to >>> another desktop. ?But you can't because Unity now tries to resize it like in >>> Win7. ?Which I think is a really great feature when you are dealing with an >>> OS that doesn't have multiple desktop functionality. ?I used to also enjoy >>> my custom keystroke to show all desktops at once. ?Really handy when I want >>> to minimize everything so that people don't eavesdrop on my work when I get >>> up for a cup of coffee. >>> >>> I really liked having my Shutoff Button on the left top. ?Now I can't >>> move it at all from the top right. ?In fact, any widget that you wanted to >>> load in the top bar is gone. ?So my systems monitor graph that I use to >>> watch resources has to be accessed through the applications jungle. ?Is >>> there something up there that is useless to you? Like the Broadcast/Chat >>> program? It's there forever now. >>> >>> Good luck reconfiguring it so that it all works. ?Even if you do figure >>> out how to change the size of the Launchbar, the Desktop Effects program >>> isn't even set as default and it can't be accessed in the Menu Jungle. >>> >>> I have also noticed that it is sucking battery power a little more than >>> before. ?I've lost about 20 minutes of a 4.5 hour battery. >>> >>> So, anyway. ?I had to go back to Login Screen settings and set it back to >>> Ubuntu Classic. ?It has taken away some of the things that I really liked >>> about it and I am seriously thinking of switching to another Distro. ?Any >>> recommendations? ?I'm a student of Linux with moderate skills. >>> >>> Thanks for hearing my rant. ?Ubuntu 11.04 is junk. >>> >>> ewr >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sf-lug mailing list >>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sat Apr 30 08:29:22 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:29:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DBC2AD2.7080604@dslextreme.com> On 04/29/2011 08:29 PM, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > First, let me state that when it comes time to reinstall Linux, Ubuntu > will not be a choice. I am at a point now that I am considering > redoing everything just to get this monster off my machine. This is > definitely one of those times when a spare computer comes in handy. I > had read some good things about 11.04 and it was asking me to upgrade, > so I said, "Sure. What could possibly go wrong"? I am reminded of > Windows Me and Vista. It's that bad, or maybe worse. > > When it first loaded I expected all of my GUI customizations to be > destroyed, but they weren't. This made me worry because I was under > the impression that Unity was an independent GUI. The fact that it > held on to my gnome/nautilus settings meant that there were going to > be compatibility issues. I was not wrong. > > I'm going to start with their pride and joy... that trainwreck of a > launchbar. The thing is huge and unwieldy. What makes it all worse is > that the main menu is scrapped, so if you want a program that is not > in the launch bar, you have to go and search it out in a full screen > jungle. What they are trying to do here is be more like OSX, but they > fail when it comes to going directly to a folder in "Places"... cuz it > ain't there anymore!!!! Well, that's not true, exactly. Just like > OSX and "Finder", if you have a program open it tries to display the > menu in the header toolbar. So you basically have to minimize all > open windows and then... AND GET THIS.... Mouseover on the toolbar to > see the places link!!! It's hidden unless you know that it is there. > Otherwise, you are forced to click your way through your /home > directory, or worse, open /home and backup to get into /root . No more > quick shortcuts to /var/www/ !!!! > > You know how you can have minimized windows in the taskbar? Not > anymore. You have to click on the launchbar, just like OSX. Oh, > sure... the behemoth disappears when a program is in full screen mode > (after a while), but what good is that when you have to switch quickly > through programs? > > Workspaces has been eternally screwed. One thing that they did was > disable the drag option. You know... you want to throw a window over > to another desktop. But you can't because Unity now tries to resize > it like in Win7. Which I think is a really great feature when you are > dealing with an OS that doesn't have multiple desktop functionality. > I used to also enjoy my custom keystroke to show all desktops at > once. Really handy when I want to minimize everything so that people > don't eavesdrop on my work when I get up for a cup of coffee. > > I really liked having my Shutoff Button on the left top. Now I can't > move it at all from the top right. In fact, any widget that you > wanted to load in the top bar is gone. So my systems monitor graph > that I use to watch resources has to be accessed through the > applications jungle. Is there something up there that is useless to > you? Like the Broadcast/Chat program? It's there forever now. > > Good luck reconfiguring it so that it all works. Even if you do > figure out how to change the size of the Launchbar, the Desktop > Effects program isn't even set as default and it can't be accessed in > the Menu Jungle. > > I have also noticed that it is sucking battery power a little more > than before. I've lost about 20 minutes of a 4.5 hour battery. > > So, anyway. I had to go back to Login Screen settings and set it back > to Ubuntu Classic. It has taken away some of the things that I really > liked about it and I am seriously thinking of switching to another > Distro. Any recommendations? I'm a student of Linux with moderate > skills. > > Thanks for hearing my rant. Ubuntu 11.04 is junk. > > ewr Well I recommend Mandriva 2010.2 and it sounds like you might be more comfortable with Gnome 2.3 rather than the nearly done KDE 4.4.x. If you want everything spend some cash for the PowerPacked ISO and download it. If you want to try the Mandriva Free Linux ask for a copy and I will bring it along to the next meeting. If you would rather download it to try out in a relatively short period of time the Mandriva One (live)CD is a good way to go. It has an install mode as well. I managed to find the correct point on the PWP Mandriva install to force the installation of all the graphic systems that Mandriva works with, available, at that time. So I was able to try out Gnome 2.3 over a period of several weeks until returning to the nearly finished KDE for one or two particular reasons. later Bobbie Sellers From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 09:25:07 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:25:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] I'm so proud of my daughter: budding geek (was: Re: Fwd: Tablet PCs from Intel ) In-Reply-To: <20110427172034.177826k17y2wslb4@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <20110427172034.177826k17y2wslb4@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <4DBC37E3.6040002@gmail.com> Thanks Michael! I went and received my Tablet. The marketing pitch was actually pretty interesting. Reminded me very strongly of the Openmoko development platform. My first project will be to get it to work with Arduino in some way or another. I was showing it to my daughter and the first thing she did was bring up the terminal.... On 04/27/2011 05:20 PM, Michael Paoli wrote: > > ----- Forwarded message from petermui at gmail.com ----- > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:55:54 -0700 > From: "Peter Mui" > Subject: Tablet PCs from Intel Thursday 4/28 at Moscone > To: "Michael Paoli" > > (Hi Michael, can you forward this to the BALUG list? Are there any other > local *NIX lists you think it's appropriate for? Thanks, -Peter) > > > Subject: Tablet PCs from Intel Thursday 4/28 at Moscone > > Intel is launching an app store and playing catch up in the tablet > space, trying to get people to develop apps for the Open Source Meego OS > running on Intel processors. As such, Intel is handing out EXOPC tablets > to everyone who attends either of two events at AppNation Tomorrow > (Thursday 4/28) at Moscone Center. > > Follow this link: > > http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/events > > You don't have to register and pay for the AppNation conference itself > but it seems you do have to register for the Intel AppUp Developer > Program AND explicitly join the IntelAtom Developer Network developer > program (fee waived for now.) Also: note that you can skip entering > any paypal registration info and it still lets you register. > > You have to sit through a presentation on Meego and how to develop for > it, but they are offering lots of prizes for developing and/or porting > apps to the Intel App Store. > > -Peter > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sat Apr 30 11:28:13 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:28:13 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Specific Hardware advice - Fwd: Disk Thrashing [SOLVED] Message-ID: <4DBC54BD.5010902@dslextreme.com> Maybe most of us have heard of this problem before but in case you had not... -------- Original Message -------- Path: mx03.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Secker Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mandriva Subject: Disk Thrashing [SOLVED] Followup-To: alt.os.linux.mandriva Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:05:35 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 28 Message-ID: Reply-To: alan-erase-this-bit at asandco.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: sc0pzJkIfaqnn7qbn9GVRA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: abuse at aioe.org User-Agent: KNode/4.4.9 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: feeder.eternal-september.org alt.os.linux.mandriva:21136 Over the last 16 months I have been trying to find what it is about Linux that causes my domestic system to freeze from time to time for periods of up to 5 minutes. After trying several distros and versions of each, I realised that the problem was common to all of them. Yesterday I looked at the BIOS more carefully and realising S.M.A.R.T was on, turn it of with little or no discernible difference. Finally I decided to search for info about the disk drives. These are Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5 TB types numbered WD15EADS-00P8B0. To my astonishment I found dozens of letters from users with the identical problem. Here is a link: http://community.wdc.com/t5/Desktop/WD15EADS-00P8B0-Really-slow-Or-am-I- just-crazy/td-p/1547/page/11 It seems these drives are just not fit for the purpose for which they were sold. as they were purchased in December 2009, the Lord only knows what my legal rights are. I thought I had better warn anyone in the same position that might be slower off the mark than me . Alan From jim at systemateka.com Sat Apr 30 13:57:48 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:57:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1304197068.1635.26.camel@jim-LAPTOP> nice writeup! thanks. some people are talking about "going back to debian." that seems a reasonable alternative. i haven't looked into it (i stick to LTS so's to avoid this kind of pain--i expect my next change will be to 12.04), but it strikes me as possible to jettison unity and install gnome (i.e. don't choose ubuntu classic). seems the noise to make to ubuntu honhos is to ensure that we have choices--i.e. don't force some gui on us, make it the default, but make that clear, and provide the old (and possibly other) gui(s) as installable instead. On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 20:29 -0700, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > First, let me state that when it comes time to reinstall Linux, Ubuntu > will not be a choice. I am at a point now that I am considering redoing > everything just to get this monster off my machine. This is definitely > one of those times when a spare computer comes in handy. I had read > some good things about 11.04 and it was asking me to upgrade, so I said, > "Sure. What could possibly go wrong"? I am reminded of Windows Me and > Vista. It's that bad, or maybe worse. > > When it first loaded I expected all of my GUI customizations to be > destroyed, but they weren't. This made me worry because I was under the > impression that Unity was an independent GUI. The fact that it held on > to my gnome/nautilus settings meant that there were going to be > compatibility issues. I was not wrong. > > I'm going to start with their pride and joy... that trainwreck of a > launchbar. The thing is huge and unwieldy. What makes it all worse is > that the main menu is scrapped, so if you want a program that is not in > the launch bar, you have to go and search it out in a full screen > jungle. What they are trying to do here is be more like OSX, but they > fail when it comes to going directly to a folder in "Places"... cuz it > ain't there anymore!!!! Well, that's not true, exactly. Just like OSX > and "Finder", if you have a program open it tries to display the menu in > the header toolbar. So you basically have to minimize all open windows > and then... AND GET THIS.... Mouseover on the toolbar to see the places > link!!! It's hidden unless you know that it is there. Otherwise, you > are forced to click your way through your /home directory, or worse, > open /home and backup to get into /root . No more quick shortcuts to > /var/www/ !!!! > > You know how you can have minimized windows in the taskbar? Not > anymore. You have to click on the launchbar, just like OSX. Oh, > sure... the behemoth disappears when a program is in full screen mode > (after a while), but what good is that when you have to switch quickly > through programs? > > Workspaces has been eternally screwed. One thing that they did was > disable the drag option. You know... you want to throw a window over to > another desktop. But you can't because Unity now tries to resize it > like in Win7. Which I think is a really great feature when you are > dealing with an OS that doesn't have multiple desktop functionality. I > used to also enjoy my custom keystroke to show all desktops at once. > Really handy when I want to minimize everything so that people don't > eavesdrop on my work when I get up for a cup of coffee. > > I really liked having my Shutoff Button on the left top. Now I can't > move it at all from the top right. In fact, any widget that you wanted > to load in the top bar is gone. So my systems monitor graph that I use > to watch resources has to be accessed through the applications jungle. > Is there something up there that is useless to you? Like the > Broadcast/Chat program? It's there forever now. > > Good luck reconfiguring it so that it all works. Even if you do figure > out how to change the size of the Launchbar, the Desktop Effects program > isn't even set as default and it can't be accessed in the Menu Jungle. > > I have also noticed that it is sucking battery power a little more than > before. I've lost about 20 minutes of a 4.5 hour battery. > > So, anyway. I had to go back to Login Screen settings and set it back > to Ubuntu Classic. It has taken away some of the things that I really > liked about it and I am seriously thinking of switching to another > Distro. Any recommendations? I'm a student of Linux with moderate skills. > > Thanks for hearing my rant. Ubuntu 11.04 is junk. > > ewr > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Sat Apr 30 14:06:48 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:06:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1304197608.1635.29.camel@jim-LAPTOP> (additional tho't:) i never upgrade. i always copy everything to secondary storage then wipe the drive then install. i don't trust a bunch of software written by other people to do all the things i expect--i.e. i expect my configs to go south in some way and maybe lib and other basics, too. yes, bringing back the email is a chore, but i'm getting good at it. On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 20:29 -0700, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > First, let me state that when it comes time to reinstall Linux, Ubuntu > will not be a choice. I am at a point now that I am considering redoing > everything just to get this monster off my machine. This is definitely > one of those times when a spare computer comes in handy. I had read > some good things about 11.04 and it was asking me to upgrade, so I said, > "Sure. What could possibly go wrong"? I am reminded of Windows Me and > Vista. It's that bad, or maybe worse. > > When it first loaded I expected all of my GUI customizations to be > destroyed, but they weren't. This made me worry because I was under the > impression that Unity was an independent GUI. The fact that it held on > to my gnome/nautilus settings meant that there were going to be > compatibility issues. I was not wrong. > > I'm going to start with their pride and joy... that trainwreck of a > launchbar. The thing is huge and unwieldy. What makes it all worse is > that the main menu is scrapped, so if you want a program that is not in > the launch bar, you have to go and search it out in a full screen > jungle. What they are trying to do here is be more like OSX, but they > fail when it comes to going directly to a folder in "Places"... cuz it > ain't there anymore!!!! Well, that's not true, exactly. Just like OSX > and "Finder", if you have a program open it tries to display the menu in > the header toolbar. So you basically have to minimize all open windows > and then... AND GET THIS.... Mouseover on the toolbar to see the places > link!!! It's hidden unless you know that it is there. Otherwise, you > are forced to click your way through your /home directory, or worse, > open /home and backup to get into /root . No more quick shortcuts to > /var/www/ !!!! > > You know how you can have minimized windows in the taskbar? Not > anymore. You have to click on the launchbar, just like OSX. Oh, > sure... the behemoth disappears when a program is in full screen mode > (after a while), but what good is that when you have to switch quickly > through programs? > > Workspaces has been eternally screwed. One thing that they did was > disable the drag option. You know... you want to throw a window over to > another desktop. But you can't because Unity now tries to resize it > like in Win7. Which I think is a really great feature when you are > dealing with an OS that doesn't have multiple desktop functionality. I > used to also enjoy my custom keystroke to show all desktops at once. > Really handy when I want to minimize everything so that people don't > eavesdrop on my work when I get up for a cup of coffee. > > I really liked having my Shutoff Button on the left top. Now I can't > move it at all from the top right. In fact, any widget that you wanted > to load in the top bar is gone. So my systems monitor graph that I use > to watch resources has to be accessed through the applications jungle. > Is there something up there that is useless to you? Like the > Broadcast/Chat program? It's there forever now. > > Good luck reconfiguring it so that it all works. Even if you do figure > out how to change the size of the Launchbar, the Desktop Effects program > isn't even set as default and it can't be accessed in the Menu Jungle. > > I have also noticed that it is sucking battery power a little more than > before. I've lost about 20 minutes of a 4.5 hour battery. > > So, anyway. I had to go back to Login Screen settings and set it back > to Ubuntu Classic. It has taken away some of the things that I really > liked about it and I am seriously thinking of switching to another > Distro. Any recommendations? I'm a student of Linux with moderate skills. > > Thanks for hearing my rant. Ubuntu 11.04 is junk. > > ewr > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 14:50:34 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:50:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: <1304197608.1635.29.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> <1304197608.1635.29.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <4DBC842A.3080300@gmail.com> Not that I recommend this to everyone, but just for another side of the story: I always upgrade, even in the middle of work or class, with applications open and busy doing stuff. I seem to like the thrill and pretend I'm helping stress test the upgrade process. I have tons of important stuff on my computer. I have an rsync account and I really should back up my stuff there at least once... On 04/30/2011 02:06 PM, jim wrote: > > > (additional tho't:) i never upgrade. i always > copy everything to secondary storage then wipe > the drive then install. i don't trust a bunch of > software written by other people to do all the > things i expect--i.e. i expect my configs to go > south in some way and maybe lib and other basics, > too. > yes, bringing back the email is a chore, but > i'm getting good at it. > > > > On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 20:29 -0700, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: >> First, let me state that when it comes time to reinstall Linux, Ubuntu >> will not be a choice. I am at a point now that I am considering redoing >> everything just to get this monster off my machine. This is definitely >> one of those times when a spare computer comes in handy. I had read >> some good things about 11.04 and it was asking me to upgrade, so I said, >> "Sure. What could possibly go wrong"? I am reminded of Windows Me and >> Vista. It's that bad, or maybe worse. >> >> When it first loaded I expected all of my GUI customizations to be >> destroyed, but they weren't. This made me worry because I was under the >> impression that Unity was an independent GUI. The fact that it held on >> to my gnome/nautilus settings meant that there were going to be >> compatibility issues. I was not wrong. >> >> I'm going to start with their pride and joy... that trainwreck of a >> launchbar. The thing is huge and unwieldy. What makes it all worse is >> that the main menu is scrapped, so if you want a program that is not in >> the launch bar, you have to go and search it out in a full screen >> jungle. What they are trying to do here is be more like OSX, but they >> fail when it comes to going directly to a folder in "Places"... cuz it >> ain't there anymore!!!! Well, that's not true, exactly. Just like OSX >> and "Finder", if you have a program open it tries to display the menu in >> the header toolbar. So you basically have to minimize all open windows >> and then... AND GET THIS.... Mouseover on the toolbar to see the places >> link!!! It's hidden unless you know that it is there. Otherwise, you >> are forced to click your way through your /home directory, or worse, >> open /home and backup to get into /root . No more quick shortcuts to >> /var/www/ !!!! >> >> You know how you can have minimized windows in the taskbar? Not >> anymore. You have to click on the launchbar, just like OSX. Oh, >> sure... the behemoth disappears when a program is in full screen mode >> (after a while), but what good is that when you have to switch quickly >> through programs? >> >> Workspaces has been eternally screwed. One thing that they did was >> disable the drag option. You know... you want to throw a window over to >> another desktop. But you can't because Unity now tries to resize it >> like in Win7. Which I think is a really great feature when you are >> dealing with an OS that doesn't have multiple desktop functionality. I >> used to also enjoy my custom keystroke to show all desktops at once. >> Really handy when I want to minimize everything so that people don't >> eavesdrop on my work when I get up for a cup of coffee. >> >> I really liked having my Shutoff Button on the left top. Now I can't >> move it at all from the top right. In fact, any widget that you wanted >> to load in the top bar is gone. So my systems monitor graph that I use >> to watch resources has to be accessed through the applications jungle. >> Is there something up there that is useless to you? Like the >> Broadcast/Chat program? It's there forever now. >> >> Good luck reconfiguring it so that it all works. Even if you do figure >> out how to change the size of the Launchbar, the Desktop Effects program >> isn't even set as default and it can't be accessed in the Menu Jungle. >> >> I have also noticed that it is sucking battery power a little more than >> before. I've lost about 20 minutes of a 4.5 hour battery. >> >> So, anyway. I had to go back to Login Screen settings and set it back >> to Ubuntu Classic. It has taken away some of the things that I really >> liked about it and I am seriously thinking of switching to another >> Distro. Any recommendations? I'm a student of Linux with moderate skills. >> >> Thanks for hearing my rant. Ubuntu 11.04 is junk. >> >> ewr >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From cymraegish at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 18:35:46 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:35:46 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Specific Hardware advice - Fwd: Disk Thrashing [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <4DBC54BD.5010902@dslextreme.com> References: <4DBC54BD.5010902@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Bobbie Sellers < bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> wrote: > > It seems these drives are just not fit for the purpose for which they were > sold. as they were purchased in December 2009, the Lord only knows what my > legal rights are. > > Most drives have a direct manufacturer's guarantee, the decent ones have 5 but the cheap ones usually at least 2. They know the age from the serial numbers. Try and get a replacement. I have heard before that 20% of drives fail annually no matter what the age. SMART may be smart and tell you something, although it can be un-smart too... This is why I like SCSI -- have never had a SCSI drive fail, in the last five years at least 5 ATA drives failed. And people tell me that most SATA drives are copied from ATA designs, although perhaps a few of the best quality more like converted SCSI. U320 SCSI is similar speed to SATA, and iSCSI is faster. They cost more but ... Another thing I think is that the bigger capacity the more likely to have problems. For a particular era, the highest capacity drives are always much more fragile ( the majority of those failures). It is true that there are different design for different purposes. Server drives may read much faster than they write. Also some will be more sensitive to say high demand on the video card - when I upgraded my card the drive slowed down but switching to another brand of the same quality supposedly, cured the problem. Some brands of drives (IBM and Seagate ) refuse to work in my external boxes but work fine internally -- in the situation just mentioned IBM was the solution to problem swapped the Western Digital into the external box and all was fine. Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akkana at shallowsky.com Sat Apr 30 19:16:53 2011 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:16:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: <1304197068.1635.26.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> <1304197068.1635.26.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20110501021653.GA1360@shallowsky.com> jim writes: > will be to 12.04), but it strikes me as possible > to jettison unity and install gnome (i.e. don't > choose ubuntu classic). Actually the "classic" Gnome2 desktop is right there. Choose "Ubuntu Classic" in the session box of the gdm login screen. Or "Ubuntu Classic (no effects)" if you have an older video card. Or you can install KDE, or Gnome3 (if you add an extra repository), or any of a hundred different excellent window managers -- I'm typing this under 11.04 in Openbox. I can understand not liking Unity, or thinking Canonical made the wrong decision in making it the default (I do) ... but using Ubuntu doesn't mean you have to use their defaults. On the side thread of upgrading vs. installing: I always keep at least one extra root partition, and when it's time to upgrade, I copy the currently running root to another partition, boot into that partition, make sure it works, then upgrade it, leaving the old one intact in case anything goes wrong. Generally I find Ubuntu ugprades work very well, but of course little things always break (printing, this time around) and you might need to boot into the old version. http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/upgrading-without-risk.html ...Akkana From akkana at shallowsky.com Sat Apr 30 19:46:20 2011 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:46:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Tablet PCs from Intel In-Reply-To: <4DBC37E3.6040002@gmail.com> References: <20110427172034.177826k17y2wslb4@webmail.rawbw.com> <4DBC37E3.6040002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110501024620.GB1360@shallowsky.com> Michael Shiloh writes: > Thanks Michael! > I went and received my Tablet. Yes, thanks for posting that! I went too. > The marketing pitch was actually > pretty interesting. Reminded me very strongly of the Openmoko > development platform. The marketing wasn't too bad, and they did have some technical content. If the person there who brought up Linux geeks and open source versus DRM and software licensing is on this list, thank you -- I'm sure you spoke for a lot of us in the audience. > My first project will be to get it to work with Arduino in some way > or another. I hope you write that up! I want to hear about it. I got mine booting off an Ubuntu 11.04 live USB stick today, just for fun. I'm still working on setting up my MeeGo C++ development environment. They appear to have been overly optimistic in listing Python/Perl/Ruby as valid development languages for it (at least for GUI apps), since the Qt bindings aren't included in MeeGo ... but maybe some day. ...Akkana From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 21:28:08 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 21:28:08 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Tablet PCs from Intel In-Reply-To: <20110501024620.GB1360@shallowsky.com> References: <20110427172034.177826k17y2wslb4@webmail.rawbw.com> <4DBC37E3.6040002@gmail.com> <20110501024620.GB1360@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <4DBCE158.4050200@gmail.com> On 04/30/2011 07:46 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: > >> My first project will be to get it to work with Arduino in some way >> or another. > > I hope you write that up! I want to hear about it. Will do. > > I got mine booting off an Ubuntu 11.04 live USB stick today, just for fun. So the Atom runs standard x86 code with no modification? I wasn't sure. > I'm still working on setting up my MeeGo C++ development environment. > They appear to have been overly optimistic in listing Python/Perl/Ruby Please report on your progress; I for one will be very interested. From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun May 1 04:27:41 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 04:27:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Tablet PCs from Intel In-Reply-To: <4DBCE158.4050200@gmail.com> References: <20110427172034.177826k17y2wslb4@webmail.rawbw.com> <4DBC37E3.6040002@gmail.com> <20110501024620.GB1360@shallowsky.com> <4DBCE158.4050200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110501112740.GM16041@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com): > So the Atom runs standard x86 code with no modification? I wasn't sure. It does, indeed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom -- Rick Moen "Has Google looked at the appropriateness of indexing rick at linuxmafia.com #WikiLeaks? The answer is yes, and we decided to McQ! (4x80) continue. Because it's legal." -- Eric Schmidt From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sun May 1 14:47:04 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 14:47:04 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Sunday May 1st 2011 Message-ID: <4DBDD4D8.2020802@dslextreme.com> Hi LUGers, I got to the Cafe Enchante at about 10:55 AM, John Strazzarino was there already at a good table. Ken Schaffer showed up with an Amiga emulation running on his MSI netbook. I got my notebook setup and we hoped to see more individuals It was after 1200 when Jim Stockford turned up. Ken Schaefer brought along his MSI netbook to the SF-LUG meetings and showed off his Knoppix Light Amiga emulation running on the box and even using Final Writer and showed us an illustration in Hold and Modify graphics mode. Ken had to hack the Knoppix to look for a more appropriate X configuration but Amiga Forever logo and the start bar seemed to be natural to the very small screen. For those unfamiliar with the product Amiga Forever is an emulation meant to run on Windows XP but it comes with a Knoppix Light version of UAE as well on the same AF cd. All in all a very good meeting and the time flew past until just before 1 PM we broke up. Jim gave me a ride home. later Bobbie Sellers From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Sun May 1 15:04:34 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:04:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: <20110501021653.GA1360@shallowsky.com> References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> <1304197068.1635.26.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <20110501021653.GA1360@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: On the bright side, machines like my 4.5 yr old laptop running the default (non-nvidia) video will simply inform me that it cannot run Unity, and just bring up the old interface automatically. I did play around a little with the new interface, and still prefer the classic, but I found workspace drag and drop still worked -- just don't get the cursor too near the edge, which seems to force the resize instead of the move. Or just click on the workspace icon, and all four desktops pop up, and you can drag windows around to whichever you like. I think the cursor disappearing when the screensaver kicked in has been fixed for 11.04, (broken in 10.10), so I am happy not to be forced to use the Nvidia drivers to prevent that. Unfortunately, other items like "safely remove usb" still get one automatic remount, and the initial installation to a usb from a live usb still writes a non-functional grub.cfg (disk letter is one too high). These problems have been reported as bugs, but didn't make the 11.04 release. I'm trying to decide which release to send to an Uncle who expressed an interest in Linux. 10.04 is still a strong contender. 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Ehud On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Ken Shaffer wrote: > > On the bright side, machines like my 4.5 yr old laptop running the default > (non-nvidia) video will simply inform me that it cannot run Unity, and just > bring up the old interface automatically. > I did play around a little with the new interface, and still prefer the > classic, but I found workspace drag and drop still worked -- just don't get > the cursor too near the edge, which seems to force the resize instead of the > move. Or just click on the workspace icon, and all four desktops pop up, > and you can drag windows around to whichever you like. > I think the cursor disappearing when the screensaver kicked in has been > fixed for 11.04, (broken in 10.10), so I am happy not to be forced to use > the Nvidia drivers to prevent that. > Unfortunately, other items like "safely remove usb" still get one > automatic remount, and the initial installation to a usb from a live usb > still writes a non-functional grub.cfg (disk letter is one too high). These > problems have been reported as bugs, but didn't make the 11.04 release. > I'm trying to decide which release to send to an Uncle who expressed an > interest in Linux. 10.04 is still a strong contender. > Cheers > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keith.burton31 at gmail.com Sun May 1 17:50:54 2011 From: keith.burton31 at gmail.com (Keith Burton) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 17:50:54 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] CCSF LUG Multimedia Symposium Message-ID: Hello, Please excuse my first email, as i'm still getting used to Swype. I just wanted to share that the CCSFLUG is back and we are official, our new website website is located at http://ccsf-lug.org/ . 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We are holding > our first event this Wednesday, please feel free to stop by and join in > the fun. > > http://bitly.com/CCSFLUGMMSFLIER > > Hope to see some of you there > > Keith Burton > CCSF Linux User Group > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun May 1 20:29:20 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 20:29:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] CCSF LUG Multimedia Symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110502032920.GP16041@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Keith Burton (keith.burton31 at gmail.com): > I just wanted to share that the CCSFLUG is back and we are official, our new > website website is located at http://ccsf-lug.org/ . We are holding our > first event this Wednesday, please feel free to stop by and join in the fun. > > http://bitly.com/CCSFLUGMMSFLIER Congratulations, Keith, and good work! -- Cheers, "Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Rick Moen Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad." rick at linuxmafia.com -- Peter Kay McQ! 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See http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Provisional_schedule Thomas is the author of the gpodder app that also runs on Gnome desktops and which will sync subscriptions among multiple devices. Thomas (m at thp.io) is a university student from Austria who would love to meet local Pythonistas while he is in the Bay Area. The rest of the Conference Schedule is here: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/session-schedule MeeGo has active IRCs (meego-python for example) and mailing lists, and those are the best places to get any questions you might have answered. -- Alison, Nokia-paid MeeGo developer, at least for a bit longer -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ A career in Silicon Valley is just like a chess game, only players can move all the pieces every turn and some of the pawns bite. From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Sun May 1 21:54:53 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 00:54:53 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Sunday May 1st 2011 In-Reply-To: <4DBDD4D8.2020802@dslextreme.com> References: <4DBDD4D8.2020802@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: Hi Bobbie, Here's some detail on how I got the Knoppix Amiga stick set up. After going through the process, I was happy to learn that the existing Ubuntu package manager offers the e-uae emulator, and it works just fine with the AmigaForever rom images. Cloanto has sold the AmigaForever product for awhile (I first got the 2005 version) but it was just for Windows. Recently, I sent in my $15 for the 2011 version which claimed to run under Linux. The upgrade did provide many more games and demos, but they were in a new compressed format which seems to be set up for running the Windows installation. The Linux emulation was just the e-uae emulator (version E-UAE 0.8.29-WIP4) which is the same one available from the Ubuntu Synaptic package manager. The basis of AmigaForever is the encrypted roms, which work with all the emulations like e-uae, a migration program to copy the Amiga filesystems onto the PC, and a series of demos and games. The actual emulation programs are open source, and the Ubuntu package manager offers two (uae, and e-uae). With the e-uae package, all you need Amiga emulation are the rom images, the System and Work directories, and the e-uae config file. Setting up the kxlight usb stick is just an option. The AF installer will write to a 4G usb stick, creating a Knoppix system with the e-uae emulator, and the roms, as well as the base system files, (but not the games or demos, which I didn't care about anyway). The problem was, the Knoppix system didn't run (only a background image). Even the AF installer would only pop up a pretty non-functional terminal window (because of ownership of the System and Work directories). Looking at the Knoppix disk, it was obvious what some of the problems were -- lots of wrong paths in script files, and wrong ownership of files, and duplicates of almost everything! The top level / looked like: Amiga Amiga Files Private Shared ... (Yes that's a space in the filename of "Amiga Files", very Windowsy, but a pain to work with, since extra quoting is needed in commands). Private contained some docs, a copy of the emulator, but nothing critical to running the stick. Shared was duplicated pretty much under Amiga Files/Shared. The changes I made to the Knoppix stick are listed below: 1)Rename the "Amiga Files" to just AmigaFiles. Optional, but hey, this is Linux, and if you let in spaces, whose to stop the asterisks, question marks, double dashes and parentheses from working their way into your files? CAUTION: be really careful if you pull in the Games and Demos, they do have nasties like parentheses in their names. (Parentheses indicate to the shell to execute the contents in a subshell so...) 2)The e-uae emulator appears in multiple places on the stick, I used /Amiga/e-uae/e-uae for script invocation. If room is a problem, you can delete extra copies of things like the two sets of rom files and two emulators, but really, all my Amiga files on multiple disks fit easily onto the 4G stick -- I didn't bother. 3)There are several e-uae configuration files -- all have wrong paths. Copy one and make your edits, that way, you always have the original. I used the one in /Amiga/af_boot.uaerc and made af.uaerc I decided to use the rom images in /AmigaFiles/Shared/roms instead of the ones in /Shared/roms (they are identical). Fix the backslashes in the paths, and put in the correct directories for the roms. Either the full path, or just a relative path from the current directory (/Amiga) will do. e.g.: unix.rom_path=../AmigaFiles/Shared/rom 4)This config file is used by the emulation startup script (again in several places). I used the one in /Amiga/kxlight-start.sh and made a mykxlight-start.sh. Copy and edit the /Amiga/kxlight-start.sh file to mykxlight-start.sh to run the /Amiga/e-uae/e-uae -f af.uaerc 5) Next fix the System and Work filesystem paths. I tried both the ones in /AmigaFiles/Shared and in /Shared and liked the ones in /Shared better. Of course, if you have copied real Amiga file systems, you would use your own here, but use the ones supplied to get the emulation running.e.g.: filesystem2=rw,DH0:System:../Shared/dir/System,1 filesystem2=rw,DH1:Work:../Shared/dir/Work,0 6) Change the ownership of the System and Work directories from root to the first user (knoppix on the stick, but user 1000 if you are editing the stick on an Ubuntu system. I forget if I changed permissions too, probably not. sudo chown -R knoppix:knoppic /Shared/System sudo chown -R knoppix:knoppic /Shared/Work Feel free to add other directories. I tried the Demos and Games, but their rp9 format was unknown to the emulation. You could unzip them if you really wanted to run them in the emulation. I have used up to at least DH5 with no problems. 5) Fix the invocation of the emulation in the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc file. Edit the correct paths into the script to run the /Amiga/mykxlight-start.sh I made the mykxlight-start.sh a little fancier to allow running while the stick was mounted on another Ubuntu system. I needed a different config file for each case (for the different paths). Here's what I use: #!/bin/sh # mykxlight-start.sh # We can set other options here, like sound levels... # Example: micro input set to zero, PCM and Volume set to 67 - default in most OSS drivers #( exec aumix -m 0 -w 67 -v 67 >/dev/null 2>&1 & ) if [ -d /Amiga ]; then # Running from a booted Amiga stick echo "Running from /Amiga" cd /Amiga e-uae/e-uae -f af_boot.uaerc elif [ -d /media/af2010 ]; then # Running from a stick mounted at /media/af2010 echo "Running mounted" cd /media/af2010/Amiga e-uae/e-uae -f af_boot.uaerc-mounted elif [ -d $HOME/work/amiga/Amiga ]; then # Running from home directory echo "Running from $HOME/work/amiga/Amiga" cd $HOME/work/amiga/Amiga e-uae -f af.uaerc else echo "Amiga directory not found, quitting" fi Here's the af.uaerc I use: # E-UAE configuration file # General options unix.rom_path=../AmigaFiles/Shared/rom unix.floppy_path= use_gui=false use_debugger=false # Host CPU-specific options x86.use_tsc=true # CPU emulation options cpu_type=68020/68881 cpu_speed=max cpu_compatible=false cpu_cycle_exact=false # JIT compiler options cachesize=16384 compfpu=true # Chipset options chipset=ecs_agnus ntsc=false immediate_blits=true collision_level=none # ROM options kickstart_rom_file=$(FILE_PATH)/amiga-os-3x0.rom kickstart_key_file=$(FILE_PATH)/rom.key kickshifter=false # RAM options chipmem_size=4 bogomem_size=0 fastmem_size=8 z3mem_size=0 gfxcard_size=8 # Floppy drive options floppy0= floppy0type=0 floppy1= floppy1type=0 floppy2= floppy2type=0 floppy3= floppy3type=0 nr_floppies=4 floppy_speed=100 # Hard disk options filesystem2=rw,DH0:System:../Shared/dir/System,1 filesystem2=rw,DH1:Work:../Shared/dir/Work,0 #filesystem2=rw,DH2:Games:../AmigaFiles/Games,0 #filesystem2=rw,DH3:Demos:../AmigaFiles/Demos,0 #filesystem2=rw,DH4:Apps:../AmigaFiles/Applications,0 #filesystem2=rw,DH5:Shared:../AmigaFiles/Shared,0 # Display options gfx_framerate=1 gfx_width_windowed=1024 gfx_height_windowed=768 gfx_width_fullscreen=1024 gfx_height_fullscreen=768 gfx_fullscreen_amiga=true gfx_lores=false gfx_linemode=double gfx_correct_aspect=false gfx_center_horizontal=none gfx_center_vertical=none show_leds=false # Sound options sound_output=normal sound_bits=16 sound_frequency=44100 sound_channels=stereo sound_interpol=none # Input device options joyport0=mouse joyport1=kbd1 # SCSI emulation options scsi=true scsi_device=/dev/cdrom # Network emulation bsdsocket_emu=true # X11-specific options x11.map_raw_keys=false x11.low_bandwidth=false x11.use_mitshm=true Best of all, you can run the e-uae right in Ubuntu if you don't want a separate usb boot stick. Just have your config file paths right, and install the e-uae package. A word of warning, the emulation makes my amd laptop run pretty hot, but the intel N450 netbook stays cool. As long as you have any version of the AmigaForever rom images, you should try out the e-uae emulator. I was happy to find one less reason to have a Windows OS. Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Sun May 1 22:26:10 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 22:26:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Meego applications: where are they? Can I install any rpm? (was re Meego tablet) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DBE4072.8030801@gmail.com> Forgive my ignorance, but where does one find applications that can be installed on the Meego tablet? I've been searching and while I've found tons of information on how to develop apps, I've not been able to figure out what is available nor how to install them. P.s. I've registered for the conference, but I'll miss the first day due to post-Maker Faire events. The proximity to Maker Faire is a bit of a conflict. > -- Alison, Nokia-paid MeeGo developer, at least for a bit longer From alchaiken at gmail.com Mon May 2 08:38:03 2011 From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 08:38:03 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Notes on dual-booting Ubuntu and MeeGo on an ExoPC Message-ID: Via Identica: http://faceted.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/notes-on-dual-booting-ubuntu-and-meego-on-an-exopc/ Also of course (slyly plugs own work): http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_and_Handset_Images_on_ExoPC -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ A career in Silicon Valley is just like a chess game, only players can move all the pieces every turn and some of the pawns bite. From alchaiken at gmail.com Mon May 2 08:50:02 2011 From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 08:50:02 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Meego applications: where are they? Can I install any rpm? Message-ID: Michael Shiloh asks: > Forgive my ignorance, but where does one find applications that can be installed on the Meego tablet? See link at http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_and_Handset_Images_on_ExoPC that says "Update Repos." In general, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/ . "configure; make; make install" works well of course too. ;-) > The proximity to Maker Faire is a bit of a conflict. For me as well. I've never missed a minute of previous Maker Faires: been there from Friday night to Sunday evening every year. Not this time, alas. -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ A career in Silicon Valley is just like a chess game, only players can move all the pieces every turn and some of the pawns bite. From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Mon May 2 09:17:43 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:17:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Sunday May 1st 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <4DBDD4D8.2020802@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: Forgot to say at the first Amiga boot, to run preferences and set the screenmode to a reasonable set of colors and resolution -- the default is pretty low. There is a screenmode starter in the bottom launch bar too. I find 1024x768 perfect, with the 1280 x 800 a bit too fine (the pointer is too small). > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had no luck updating from the MeeGo snapshot from last Friday -- meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.1.99.4.20110426.4.img didn't boot for me or for another person on #meego. I didn't need to make any sudo changes for QtCreator. ...Akkana From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon May 2 12:00:19 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:00:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: <1304197068.1635.26.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <4DBB822D.3040103@gmail.com> <1304197068.1635.26.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20110502190019.GV16041@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim (jim at systemateka.com): > nice writeup! thanks. > some people are talking about "going back to > debian." that seems a reasonable alternative. I'm really fond of Aptosid (formerly Sidux) as a means of doing painless installation of cutting-edge Debian. The Aptosid developers release live-CD images (defaulting to your choice of KDE Plasma, XFCE, or Fluxbox) for x86 and x86_64 each quarter. http://aptosid.com/ Getting back to Ubuntu / Canonical for a moment, I find it unsettling that Canonical, Ltd. require a copyright ownership assignment before they're willing to accept contributions for _any_ of the projects they operate, including Upstart, Bazaar, Update-manager, etc. See: http://www.canonical.com/contributors Long experience suggests this is a red flag. There's really only one reason to require copyright assignment on code contributed to an open source project: preserving the ability to go proprietary. Jon Corbet turns out to have written a thoughtful piece on the problem in 2009: http://lwn.net/Articles/359013/ Brad Kuhn's comments: http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/02/01/copyright-not-all-equal.html Canonical's response? None whatsoever except for the rather sleazy 'But everybody does it' excuse from Shuttleworth that Kuhn comments on. In other words, the suspicion of proprietary intent is correct. The worst part of that, as Corbet points out, is that Canonical keep trying to encourage other Linux distros to adopt Upstart as the core of their architectures. Fortunately, they aren't doing that -- and now systemd appears to be emerging as a superior alternative without that drawback. http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Tue May 3 06:43:29 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 06:43:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] 2010-05-07 (online) Tutorial: Building deb Packages from Source, presented by Debian Women in collaboration with the OpenHatch project (suitable for Debian or Ubuntu, or other Debian-derived system) Message-ID: <20110503064329.2046381fm9xw1bwg@webmail.rawbw.com> For those that may not have already seen it: Debian Women Offers Building Packages from Source Tutorial: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110502 From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com Tue May 3 10:06:23 2011 From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:06:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] GuruPlug plus Message-ID: Hi all, in an endeavor to create a white-box server-router, the best match i found is the guruplug server plus ( http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx), as it has wireless and 2 gigE ports. unfortunately, globalscale no longer sells these by units, but only as OEMs and at quantities higher than 3k. the dreamplug they have is a bit pricier, has a bigger form factor and has things i don't need for a home server, such as mic and earphone jack. another unfortunate is that i have not found any other plug with wireless and 2 eth ports. so, anyone knows of a way to get a guruplug plus? or has one they are interested in selling? thanks, Ehud -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't forget to add $40 to the list price of any Globalscale plug, since they package their JTAG module as a separate item. You need it to talk to the plug over a serial line, and for any kernel or uboot upgrade. It's possible to use a plug without a serial cable but it's risky -- if you ever make a mistake and lose networking, you're stuck. ...Akkana From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com Tue May 3 23:14:29 2011 From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 23:14:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] GuruPlug plus In-Reply-To: <20110504024828.GA1370@shallowsky.com> References: <20110504024828.GA1370@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: thanks, Akkana, the heating issue does not bother me so much, as i was going to use one plug to connect to the modem, and the other to have a loose cable, for the times b43 dies on me. what bothered me more was a thread about the wireless being very slow, as i was going to use it as my main wireless router. which leads me back to square 1: i am looking for small form-factor serve (plug) that i can use as my wireless router. i want to control the router-ness of it, that is to have it run linux with dhcpd, dns, fw and all other goodies. if i read correctly, i can install openwrt, and it will take care of it all. maybe the solution is to give up in built in wireless and connect it to my wireless commercial router, and have it act as a router only, like a repeater, only for a wired server. sheeva? tonido? Ehud On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: > Ehud Kaldor writes: > > in an endeavor to create a white-box server-router, the best match i > found > > is the guruplug server plus ( > > http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx), > as > [ ... ] > > another unfortunate is that i have not found any other plug with wireless > > and 2 eth ports. > > If you haven't already, I'd recommend some research on > plugcomputer.org first -- in particular, threads like this > > http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?PHPSESSID=325598ca0e04296b7166498aae972066&topic=1735.0 > Some people report that using both ethernet ports at the same time > triggers overheating. You might also be interested in the more > general threads there on GuruPlugs and GlobalScale. > > Don't forget to add $40 to the list price of any Globalscale plug, > since they package their JTAG module as a separate item. You need it > to talk to the plug over a serial line, and for any kernel or uboot > upgrade. It's possible to use a plug without a serial cable but it's > risky -- if you ever make a mistake and lose networking, you're stuck. > > ...Akkana > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at rbsmith.com Wed May 4 15:36:33 2011 From: rick at rbsmith.com (Rick Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:36:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] GuruPlug plus In-Reply-To: References: <20110504024828.GA1370@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <4835691D-9B4F-450B-9704-EB20B80BFEA3@rbsmith.com> > [..] i am looking for small form-factor serve (plug) that i can use as my wireless router. i want to control the router-ness of it, that is to have it run linux with dhcpd, dns, fw and all other goodies. if i read correctly, i can install openwrt, and it will take care of it all. So if you are looking for more of a router than a server, you might include in your thinking something that has a switch chip. Have you looked at a routerStation? Such as: http://www.ubnt.com/rspro http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/routerstation.pro I have a mikrotik similar version rb450G and works great. Currently running router os, which is Linux, but not open. I use an wifi AP that is mounted up a wall, so okay with wifi radio not being built in. That said, it's on my radar to try out a router station pro one of these days (either ebay or roc-noc.com (nice folks)). Rick From nbs at sonic.net Wed May 4 16:11:21 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:11:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, May 16: "Django web framework" Message-ID: <201105042311.p44NBLjg011920@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting this month: Monday May 16, 2011 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "Django web framework" Joel Bremson, Graduate Student Researcher Institute of Transportation Studies, UC Davis Django is an open source web application framework, written in the open source Python programming language, and which follows the model-view-controller architectural pattern (MVC). It is high-level, and encourages rapid development and clean, pragmatic design. Developed four years ago by a fast-moving online-news operation, Django was designed to handle two challenges: the intensive deadlines of a newsroom and the stringent requirements of the experienced Web developers who wrote it. It lets you build high-performing, elegant Web applications quickly. This talk will include a demonstration of building of a small app and explain the basics of django's MVC implementation. Basic understanding of scripting languages and web development will be assumed. This meeting will be held at: Yolo County Public Library, Davis Branch (Mary L. Stephens Branch) Blanchard community meeting room 315 East 14th Street Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Thu May 5 09:22:06 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 09:22:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] New ultra low cost linux PC Message-ID: <4DC2CEAE.5080103@gmail.com> Anyone know anything about this? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [london-hack-space] New ultra low cost linux PC http://www.raspberrypi.org/ From grantbow at ubuntu.com Thu May 5 17:30:23 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:30:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] New ultra low cost linux PC In-Reply-To: <4DC2CEAE.5080103@gmail.com> References: <4DC2CEAE.5080103@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Michael This could have been interesting. This is the first time I've heard of it. It seems like a good idea. Unfortunately the version of Ubuntu he is using is two years old. There is no indication of when it was last updated on the website. 128 MB RAM seems too low to me. http://www.archive.org/web/web.php wasn't tracking it yet but it will be going forward. DNS was registered Sept 2008 and expires Sept 2011. If you contact Eben Upton let us know. Interesting historical footnote but if he hasn't worked on this in awhile and he never made anything available it doesn't sound very exciting now. Grant On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > Anyone know anything about this? > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: ? ? ? ?[london-hack-space] New ultra low cost linux PC > > http://www.raspberrypi.org/ From ashish.makani at gmail.com Thu May 5 19:02:40 2011 From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 19:02:40 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] New ultra low cost linux PC In-Reply-To: References: <4DC2CEAE.5080103@gmail.com> Message-ID: It was featured on HN today http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2519248 On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Grant Bowman wrote: > Hi Michael > > This could have been interesting. This is the first time I've heard of > it. It seems like a good idea. > > Unfortunately the version of Ubuntu he is using is two years old. > There is no indication of when it was last updated on the website. 128 > MB RAM seems too low to me. http://www.archive.org/web/web.php wasn't > tracking it yet but it will be going forward. DNS was registered Sept > 2008 and expires Sept 2011. If you contact Eben Upton let us know. > Interesting historical footnote but if he hasn't worked on this in > awhile and he never made anything available it doesn't sound very > exciting now. > > Grant > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Michael Shiloh > wrote: > > Anyone know anything about this? > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [london-hack-space] New ultra low cost linux PC > > > > http://www.raspberrypi.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From penguin at techbandit.com Thu May 5 19:38:14 2011 From: penguin at techbandit.com (Romel Jacinto) Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 19:38:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] New ultra low cost linux PC In-Reply-To: References: <4DC2CEAE.5080103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DC35F16.6000006@techbandit.com> Continuing Grant's efforts on background research of this project, here is the link to the latest report from the UK Charity Commission about the foundation. http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1129409&SubsidiaryNumber=0 The report shows that in 2010 the foundation had relatively little income and expense (approximately $270 and $750, respectively) so I'm not sure how active the project is now but the premise of their project does sound like a very interesting idea. -- Romel On 05/05/2011 05:30 PM, Grant Bowman wrote: > Hi Michael > > This could have been interesting. This is the first time I've heard of > it. It seems like a good idea. > > Unfortunately the version of Ubuntu he is using is two years old. > There is no indication of when it was last updated on the website. 128 > MB RAM seems too low to me. http://www.archive.org/web/web.php wasn't > tracking it yet but it will be going forward. DNS was registered Sept > 2008 and expires Sept 2011. If you contact Eben Upton let us know. > Interesting historical footnote but if he hasn't worked on this in > awhile and he never made anything available it doesn't sound very > exciting now. > > Grant > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Michael Shiloh > wrote: >> Anyone know anything about this? >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [london-hack-space] New ultra low cost linux PC >> >> http://www.raspberrypi.org/ > From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Fri May 6 15:12:01 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 15:12:01 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Update issues with xulrunner after Natty upgrade Message-ID: <4DC47231.4000904@gmail.com> I upgraded to Natty recently and either then or during a subsequent update discovered that the update hangs at this point: Setting up xulrunner-1.9.1 (1.9.1.18~hg20110309r27352+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1) ... Any ideas? -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com Sat May 7 20:25:21 2011 From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric W. Rasmussen) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 20:25:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] My new Facebook page Message-ID: <4DC60D21.9000603@gmail.com> Hi all! I've been working diligently on my website, working out conflicts in the overall functionality before I go live. In the meantime, I've set up facebook and Twitter feeds where I post the latest news in Technology. By searching 'Majortek' on both, you can join. I keep it fun and limited (about three posts a day). Right now I need about 8 people to join my facebook page before I can register the name. You're participation is appreciated. ewr From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com Sat May 7 21:31:55 2011 From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric W. Rasmussen) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 21:31:55 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Majortek Facebook Page Message-ID: <4DC61CBB.4050501@gmail.com> Sorry...Try this http://www.facebook.com/pages/Majortek/143398559063343 From jim at well.com Sun May 8 16:20:50 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 16:20:50 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] My new Facebook page In-Reply-To: <4DC60D21.9000603@gmail.com> References: <4DC60D21.9000603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1304896850.1633.104.camel@jim-LAPTOP> what does it mean to "join" your facebook page? i.e. what elements should i click in the facebook GUI? On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 20:25 -0700, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > Hi all! I've been working diligently on my website, working out > conflicts in the overall functionality before I go live. In the > meantime, I've set up facebook and Twitter feeds where I post the latest > news in Technology. By searching 'Majortek' on both, you can join. I > keep it fun and limited (about three posts a day). Right now I need > about 8 people to join my facebook page before I can register the name. > You're participation is appreciated. > > ewr > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From Tim.Norman at dreamworks.com Mon May 9 10:11:19 2011 From: Tim.Norman at dreamworks.com (Norman, Tim) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 10:11:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Dreamworks Animation is hiring. . . In-Reply-To: <20110403145307.18042o2f4iuohz6s@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <20110403145307.18042o2f4iuohz6s@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <57E24B0263A3594EB66EEABC419CA40742B52B1DD7@EXCLUSGLD1.win.dreamworks.com> Hello, all. Dreamworks Animation is looking for a Sr. Linux Engineer for its Redwood City Animation Studio. Let me know if interested. Thanks Tim- Tim Norman Dreamworks Animation Ph 818.695 7801 www.dreamworks.com From nbs at sonic.net Mon May 9 17:39:44 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:39:44 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] CCSF LUG Multimedia Symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110510003944.GC14722@sonic.net> On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 05:50:54PM -0700, Keith Burton wrote: > Hello, > > Please excuse my first email, as i'm still getting used to Swype. > > I just wanted to share that the CCSFLUG is back and we are official, our > new website website is located at http://ccsf-lug.org/ . We are holding > our first event this Wednesday, please feel free to stop by and join in > the fun. Congrats. FYI, the website says "meets on Tuesdays", but your post here says "this Wednesday". I'll assume your email is correct, but in that case, you should update the website. And speaking of, when I went to double-check the date by visiting CCSFLUG's mailing list via the "Mailing List" link on the website, I got a MySQL error from the server. Thanks & good luck, -bill! (from LUGOD out in Davis, CA) From nbs at sonic.net Mon May 9 17:43:00 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 17:43:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] CCSF LUG Multimedia Symposium In-Reply-To: <20110510003944.GC14722@sonic.net> References: <20110510003944.GC14722@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20110510004259.GD14722@sonic.net> On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 05:39:44PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > Congrats. FYI, the website says "meets on Tuesdays", but your post here > says "this Wednesday". I'll assume your email is correct, but in that > case, you should update the website. Ah, whoops, I hit the PDF and see that it was a special event (the multimedia symposium mentioned in the title). I'm also embarassed that I didn't notice your email was from LAST week, not this past Sunday. Therefore, the event's come and gone. D'oh! :) -bill! From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed May 11 20:23:19 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:23:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] My new Facebook page In-Reply-To: <1304896850.1633.104.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <4DC60D21.9000603@gmail.com> <1304896850.1633.104.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <4DCB52A7.2010402@dslextreme.com> On 05/08/2011 04:20 PM, jim wrote: > > what does it mean to "join" your facebook page? i.e. > what elements should i click in the facebook GUI? I believe I would like to know this as well. I have read so much about the insecurity of private information on Facebook I think i would want to float some false information in order to sign up. Aside from that I appears that unless you use Fb you are cut off from influencing a great many people. > > > On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 20:25 -0700, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: >> Hi all! I've been working diligently on my website, working out >> conflicts in the overall functionality before I go live. In the >> meantime, I've set up facebook and Twitter feeds where I post the latest >> news in Technology. By searching 'Majortek' on both, you can join. I >> keep it fun and limited (about three posts a day). Right now I need >> about 8 people to join my facebook page before I can register the name. >> You're participation is appreciated. >> >> ewr >> >> _______________________________________________ >> late Bobbie From cymraegish at gmail.com Wed May 11 20:51:37 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:51:37 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: My new Facebook page In-Reply-To: References: <4DC60D21.9000603@gmail.com> <1304896850.1633.104.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Brian Morris Date: Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] My new Facebook page To: jim I think you are supposed to click on the Like button. That is what you have to do to comment in these sorts of group pages. Once you Like it you will start seeing the posts on your own home facebook page just like you do from your friends. Personally I am not Liking it until I can see that it is something I want to see the feed of. On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 4:20 PM, jim wrote: > > > what does it mean to "join" your facebook page? i.e. > what elements should i click in the facebook GUI? > > > > On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 20:25 -0700, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > > Hi all! I've been working diligently on my website, working out > > conflicts in the overall functionality before I go live. In the > > meantime, I've set up facebook and Twitter feeds where I post the latest > > news in Technology. By searching 'Majortek' on both, you can join. I > > keep it fun and limited (about three posts a day). Right now I need > > about 8 people to join my facebook page before I can register the name. > > You're participation is appreciated. > > > > ewr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed May 11 23:24:00 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:24:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Monday 16 May 2011 SF-LUG meeting. Message-ID: <4DCB7D00.2070005@dslextreme.com> Monday, 16 May 2011 is the date of the next SF-LUG meeting. SF-LUG meets on the Third Monday from 6-8 PM at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue. All meeting times are nominal. Bring your problems and if no one in attendance can solve a problem we know where to find more help. Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. (415) 251-9136 If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Other buses cross Geary from the North and South on 25th Street Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri May 13 06:41:38 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 06:41:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2011-05-17: Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds & other BALUG news Message-ID: <20110513064138.19158w4g72c5tl34@webmail.rawbw.com> In this issue (details further below): 2011-05-17: Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds "Slides" from 2011-04-19 BALUG meetnig: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO Gluster ------------------------------ Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-05-17 Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-05-17 meeting, we're proud to present: Cloud.com[1]'s Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds As cloud computing has moved beyond hype, becoming a true enterprise-ready tool that cuts IT costs and fits a variety of use cases, IT is seeking new ways to efficiently and cost-effectively build, deploy and manage clouds. Cloud.com's CloudStack Community Edition, available under the GPLv3 license, is an open sourced Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) software platform that simplifies the creation and management of public and private clouds. This platform seamlessly integrates with existing data center infrastructure without the need for modifications, special-purpose hardware or reconfiguration, making it possible for users to instantly realize the benefits of the cloud. CloudStack Community Edition delivers several benefits including: o Massive computing power - providing virtually unlimited CPUs on-demand, as required and billed by actual usage in public, private or hybrid deployments. o Powerful API - Easily build, integrate and use applications based on common cloud APIs like Amazon's Web Services API, Citrix Cloud CenterT (C3) API and the vCloud API o Secure Cloud Computing - Isolating compute, network, and storage resources by user, location and deployment. o Comprehensive Service Management - Defining, metering, deploying and managing services to be consumed within your cloud. o Automated resource distribution - delivering capabilities to automate the distribution of compute, network and storage while adhering to defined policies on load balancing, data security and compliance. o Real-time visibility and reporting capabilities - ensuring compliance, security and comprehensive metering customer usage. o Simplified management - empowering administrators to offset the daily management of services to the end users with a powerful self-service portal that gives the day-to-day management tasks to the user, enabling administrators to focus on more business critical issues while giving the client more control and agility over the service by providing a catalog of custom built and pre-defined machine images. This session will provide best practices for building clouds, and a technical overview and demonstration of CloudStack. Mark Hinkle is Cloud.com's Vice President of Community where he is responsible for driving all of the community efforts around the Cloud.com's leading open source, cloud computing software and ecosystem. Before that he was the force behind the Zenoss Core open source management projects adoption and community involvement, growing community membership to over 100,000 members. He is a co-founder of both the Open Source Management Consortium and the Desktop Linux Consortium, has served as Editor-in-Chief for both LinuxWorld Magazine and Enterprise Open Source Magazine, and authored the book, "Windows to Linux Business Desktop Migration" (Thomson, 2006). Mark has also held executive positions at a number of technology start-ups, including Earthlink, (previously MindSpring)--where he was the head of the technical support organization recognized by PC Computing and PC World as the best in the industry--Win4Lin and Emu Software. 1. http://www.cloud.com/ See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (CDs, etc.) So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such. We've also tweaked our "door prize" / giveaway practices a bit - so RSVPing and arriving sufficiently on time increases one's odds of winning door prize(s) and/or getting first or earlier pick of giveaway items. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, May 17th, 2011 2011-05-17 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ "Slides" from 2011-04-19 BALUG meetnig: GlusterFS - Petascale Cloud Filesystem, Anand Babu (AB) Periasamy, CTO Gluster see: http://www.archive.balug.org/2011/2011-04-19/GlusterFS%20-%20Petascale%20Cloud%20Filesystem.pdf ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sat May 14 14:37:15 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:37:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Investigate FCC Commissioner Baker's clear conflict of interest.FCC chairman to go to Comcast Message-ID: <4DCEF60B.1070305@dslextreme.com> Sorry for politics but delete it if it is offensive. 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If you would like to stop receiving these newsletters or > announcements from O'Reilly, send an email to usergroups at oreilly.com > ================================================================ From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com Mon May 16 05:01:56 2011 From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric W. Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 05:01:56 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 64, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DD11234.9060407@gmail.com> I put it out on my Majortek/facebook/Twitter thread. This is a worthwhile cause. 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Investigate FCC Commissioner Baker's clear conflict of > interest.FCC chairman to go to Comcast (Bobbie Sellers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:37:15 -0700 > From: Bobbie Sellers > To: SF-LUG > Subject: [sf-lug] Investigate FCC Commissioner Baker's clear conflict > of interest.FCC chairman to go to Comcast > Message-ID:<4DCEF60B.1070305 at dslextreme.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Sorry for politics but delete it if it is offensive. > > Dear Friends, > > Republican FCC Commissioner Meredith Attwell Baker is leaving the FCC to > become a lobbyist for Comcast/NBC Universal -- just four months after > she voted to approve the controversial merger of the two media behemoths. > > We need to stop the revolving door of public servants leaving their > government role and cashing in by joining companies they were supposed > to be regulating. > > I just signed a petition telling congress to launch an investigation of > the FCC Commissioner's seemingly blatant conflict of interest. You can > too, through the link below: > http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/fcc_baker/?r_by=20926-2466954-cYbYT8x&rc=paste2 > > > later > Bobbie Sellers > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 64, Issue 15 > ************************************** > From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon May 16 15:58:06 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:58:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] REMINDER: BALUG Tomorrow Tu 2011-05-17: Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds In-Reply-To: <20110513064138.19158w4g72c5tl34@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <20110513064138.19158w4g72c5tl34@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20110516155806.13357hdzu5dty4cg@webmail.rawbw.com> Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-05-17 Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-05-17 meeting, we're proud to present: Cloud.com[1]'s Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds As cloud computing has moved beyond hype, becoming a true enterprise-ready tool that cuts IT costs and fits a variety of use cases, IT is seeking new ways to efficiently and cost-effectively build, deploy and manage clouds. Cloud.com's CloudStack Community Edition, available under the GPLv3 license, is an open sourced Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) software platform that simplifies the creation and management of public and private clouds. This platform seamlessly integrates with existing data center infrastructure without the need for modifications, special-purpose hardware or reconfiguration, making it possible for users to instantly realize the benefits of the cloud. CloudStack Community Edition delivers several benefits including: o Massive computing power - providing virtually unlimited CPUs on-demand, as required and billed by actual usage in public, private or hybrid deployments. o Powerful API - Easily build, integrate and use applications based on common cloud APIs like Amazon's Web Services API, Citrix Cloud CenterT (C3) API and the vCloud API o Secure Cloud Computing - Isolating compute, network, and storage resources by user, location and deployment. o Comprehensive Service Management - Defining, metering, deploying and managing services to be consumed within your cloud. o Automated resource distribution - delivering capabilities to automate the distribution of compute, network and storage while adhering to defined policies on load balancing, data security and compliance. o Real-time visibility and reporting capabilities - ensuring compliance, security and comprehensive metering customer usage. o Simplified management - empowering administrators to offset the daily management of services to the end users with a powerful self-service portal that gives the day-to-day management tasks to the user, enabling administrators to focus on more business critical issues while giving the client more control and agility over the service by providing a catalog of custom built and pre-defined machine images. This session will provide best practices for building clouds, and a technical overview and demonstration of CloudStack. Mark Hinkle is Cloud.com's Vice President of Community where he is responsible for driving all of the community efforts around the Cloud.com's leading open source, cloud computing software and ecosystem. Before that he was the force behind the Zenoss Core open source management projects adoption and community involvement, growing community membership to over 100,000 members. He is a co-founder of both the Open Source Management Consortium and the Desktop Linux Consortium, has served as Editor-in-Chief for both LinuxWorld Magazine and Enterprise Open Source Magazine, and authored the book, "Windows to Linux Business Desktop Migration" (Thomson, 2006). Mark has also held executive positions at a number of technology start-ups, including Earthlink, (previously MindSpring)--where he was the head of the technical support organization recognized by PC Computing and PC World as the best in the industry--Win4Lin and Emu Software. 1. http://www.cloud.com/ See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (CDs, etc.) So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such. We've also tweaked our "door prize" / giveaway practices a bit - so RSVPing and arriving sufficiently on time increases one's odds of winning door prize(s) and/or getting first or earlier pick of giveaway items. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, May 17th, 2011 2011-05-17 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From grantbow at ubuntu.com Tue May 17 03:54:57 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 03:54:57 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Links from Ubuntu talk at Felton on May 14, 2011 Message-ID: Jim thought this might be useful for sf-lug.com folks to see as well. Comments and discussion welcome. Cheers, Grant ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Grant Bowman Date: Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:41 PM Subject: Ubuntu talk at Felton on May 14, 2011 To: felton-lug at googlegroups.com Cc: Cabrillo GNU/Linux Users Group Greetings everyone, Bob asked me to email some of the links from my talk this weekend so here they are. I really enjoyed the conversation. The Felton LUG is IMHO the top community group in all of Northern California for the level of interest and expertise in Linux. We covered a lot of ground. I would be thrilled to see more people from the Felton LUG take even more initiative to get involved with the Ubuntu project in some way. I look forward to assisting. ? ?http://www.ubuntu.com ? ?http://www.canonical.com ? ?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview ? ?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ubuntu_11.04_Installation_SS.png - a Unity sample ? ?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana - the project that produced Unity and related technology ? ?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Version_timeline ? ?http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers ? ?http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654 about Gnome & Unity ? ?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs ? ?https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs ? ?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects ? ?http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ? ?https://launchpad.net/ Cheers, Grant Bowman From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Tue May 17 16:19:06 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 16:19:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Free MeeGo Conference Starts Saturday Message-ID: <20110517161906.697271w8hane2ezu@webmail.rawbw.com> ----- Forwarded message from petermui at gmail.com ----- Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:12:09 -0700 From: "Peter Mui" Reply-To: berkeleylug at googlegroups.com Subject: Free MeeGo Conference Starts Saturday To: berkeleylug at googlegroups.com Dear Berkeley LUG Members: There's a free MeeGo Conference in SF at the Hyatt Embarcadero Center starting Saturday May 21. If you're unfamiliar with MeeGo: it's the Linux Foundation's mobile operating system (endorsed by Intel and Nokia) and is fully and truly open source -- from the kernel to the development tools. The Qt/QML SDK for MeeGo has an excellent reputation for portability and ease-of-use, so you can create cross-platform apps for IOS, Android, MeeGo, embedded devices, etc. Go to http://sf2011.meego.com/ to register and learn more about the conference. If you're totally new to MeeGo there are free introductory tutorials Sat-Sun May 21-22. If you're an app developer Intel will be teaching how to port apps to MeeGo and their app store: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Schedule What: SF MeeGo Conference Where: Hyatt Regency Hotel, 5 Embarcadero, SF When: May 21-25 (tutorials S-S, sessions M-W) Why: To learn about MeeGo, expand your mobile development chops, make friends, have fun! How: Register at http://sf2011.meego.com/ (http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Schedule for Intel Sunday developer event) Cost: FREE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BerkeleyLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to berkeleylug at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to berkeleylug+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/berkeleylug?hl=en. ----- End forwarded message ----- From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed May 18 02:42:14 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 02:42:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] YouTube downloading Message-ID: <20110518094214.GU4536@linuxmafia.com> (Copying over a conversation from CABAL's mailing list:) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:49:43 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: conspire at linuxmafia.com Subject: Re: [conspire] get back to me first Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already. Quoting Bruce Coston (jane_ikari at yahoo.com): > I need to get a distro on one of my many small-ish laptop partitions > that will play back YouTube videos I suck at the library after I > suspend to disk and go home during our many summer Internet outages. > My elive install suffers real problems with this, after I take it off > disk suspend, back home. Bruce -- I'm going to make a longer post on this subject that aims to be more comprehensive, but here's the short version: You're relying on local cache state of the Adobe Flash interpreter being useful and complete after suspend to disk. Bad strategy. Instead, install scripts or browser extensions to download the clips to local disk. Slight elaboration: I'm assuming Flash (Sorenson H.263 encoding in FLV container) for the sake of discussion, though Google's YouTube service also offers video in MPEG Licensing Authority's patent-problematic H.264 encoding in either FLV or MP4 (MPEG-4 Part 14) containers (often inaccurately called 'HTML5' video), in Google's (ex-On2) VP8 encoding in WebM containers (which along with Vorbis encoding in a Matroshka container is part of the HTML5 draft), and in MPEG-4 Visual encoding in 3GP containers (a format primarily intended for mobile 'phones). It's pretty much the same problem regardless. Why a problem? Your media player plugin (Adobe Flash, for the sake of discussion) is streaming-in the inbound A/V bitstream and dumping it into ~/.mozilla/firefox/[hash]/Cache on an ongoing basis, but that cached copy isn't guaranteed complete and useful at any given moment. Also, it's not the least bit surprising to hear that Adobe Flash acts stunned and stupid if it suddenly wakes up after being suspended to disk. So, no, you're actually lucky if that ever works, because you can be sure that the buggy spaghetti code in question isn't designed to do it. So, let's say you look at the page HTML on a YouTube page to try to find the .flv direct link so you can pull a copy down using wget or curl. Surprise, you can't find it. Why not? Because you are not Google's customer; you are their product -- and they are far, far more eager to make Our Lords in Hollywood happy than they are you. So, they cause YouTube to wrap the .flv link in inscrutable JavaScript, in order to make it difficult to puzzle out. Moreover, they gratuitously change that JavaScript obfuscation occasionally, to screw people up who've de-obscured the latest version and are letting others know how. (They do that because Our Lords in Hollywood don't want users to have local copies that cannot be retroactively withdrawn from availability.) Nonetheless, there are folks who gamely keep up with the changes, and you can & should benefit from their work: clive (Perl script) cclive (newer C++ rewrite of clive) youtube-dl (Python script) Flash Video Downloader (Firefox extension) Easy YouTube Downloader (Firefox extension) Get 'em all. There are distro packages for clive, cclive, youtube-dl (judging by Debian). You may find the distro packages' frequency of update adequate to keep up with JavaScript mischief at YouTube, Photobucket, Dailymotion, Metacafe, Facebook, Yahoo, depositfiles.com, etc. -- or not. If not, you might need to have them as locally installed and updated software. ALSO: There's a persistent misconception, spread about by the ill-informed, that the open source Flash interpreters (Gnash, Swfdec, and GPLFlash) are inadequate to handle the Flash served by YouTube. No, wrong. It's really just the obfuscatory JavaScript.[1] Which, if you use a downloader such as those listed above, and it works, suddenly becomes a non-problem. So, in addition to the recommendations above, please consider losing the Adobe Flash proprietary garbage, or at least using Gnash in preference. (For one thing, the Gnash developers don't spy on users, about which please see http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/.) [1] Adobe consistently withheld Flash's technical specifications from the open source community, making selected details available only under restrictive agreements. Starting June 2009, in the face of mounting competition from alternatives (H.264 in MP4, VP8 in WebM, Vorbis in Matroshka, and especially Microsoft Silverlight), they finally coughed up the SWF file format specification without restriction, but omitted anything about the key Real Time Messaging Protocol (RTMP) and Sorenson Spark codec. Moreover, the open source community had already independently reverse-engineered everything Adobe did disclose. Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:55:15 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: conspire at linuxmafia.com Subject: [conspire] YouTube downloading software (was: get back to me first) Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already. I should also acknowledge Micah Lee's really useful posting on this subject. Thanks, Micah! This is my compendium of links relative to my suggestion to Bruce Coston, just posted (http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2011-May/006225.html) that he deal with his video streaming problem with YouTube and similar sites through use of downloaders, which in turn can also permit, if he wishes, losing that dreadful Adobe Flash plugin software and substituting open-source compatibles (Gnash, Swfdec, GPLFlash). Here's the laundry list, which I hope will prove useful. Remember, you should usually favour distro packages where available, rather than going to upstream links (such as those cited). All codebases mentioned are genuine open source (except for Google's Chrome Web browser). clive is a Flash video extraction tool in Perl for user-uploaded video hosts such as Youtube, Google Video, Dailymotion, Guba, and Metacafe. It can be chained with 3rd party tools for subsequent video re-encoding and playing and playing. http://home.gna.org/clive/ clive-utils is a collection of add-on tools to parse RSS feeds, parse video pages, and manage login passwords related to video sites. http://code.google.com/p/clive-utils/ cclive is a rewrite of clive in C++ for lower system load. http://cclive.sourceforge.net/ abby is a Qt-based graphical front end in C++ for clive and cclive. http://code.google.com/p/abby/ youtube-dl is a (command-line) Python script for downloading Flash or WebM (vp8 + Vorbis) video clips for YouTube.com, Google Video, Photobucket, Yahoo Video, Dailymotion, DepositFiles, and some other sites. You provide the clip's URL, and youtube-dl saves the clip as a local file with file extension .flv. http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ For maximum compatibility with even the more difficult (DRM-obscured) YouTube clips, you should also install the rtmpdump program to decrypt files served using Adobe's proprietary 'RTMP' protocol. See: http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/documentation.html YouTube Downloader GUI is a Qt/kdelibs front-end for youtube-dl: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Youtube-Downloader-GUI-28348.shtml Qttube is a similar Qt front-end for youtube-dl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QtTube Flash Video Downloader is a Firefox extension to download Flash video clips from YouTube, Dailymotion, Break.com, and many other sites. http://www.flashvideodownloader.org/ Easy YouTube Downloader is a Firefox (and Chromium / Chrome) extension to download YouTube videos in FLV, 3GP, MP3, MP4 and 720p HD and 1080p Full-HD qualities. http://www.yourvideofile.com/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-downl-10137/ quvi is a command-line tool in C for parsing Flash video links out of YouTube and similar sites. http://quvi.sourceforge.net/ PyTube is a Python app that searches and downloads YouTube video clips and encodes them using FFMpeg: http://pytube.sourceforge.net/ (gone from: http://bashterritory.com, http://www.getdeb.net/app/PyTube, http://www.marcosrodriguez.me/pytube/) pytube (different codebase) is a Python script for YouTube and MetaCafe that de-obscures the video clip's URL from its obscuring JavaScript, so that you can download it. http://code.google.com/p/pytube/ Note: There was for a long time a Python / gtk+2 graphical application also called Pytube, but unfortunately everyone relied on someone else to host it, and it it appears to have vanished from the Internet. Utube Ripper (formerly Youtube Downloader for Linux) is an application written in Gambas that works exclusively on Linux. It's useful to download and convert Youtube videos in a simple and efficient way. http://sourceforge.net/projects/utube/ (g)vdown is an application that can download videos from video sharing websites like YouTube, Google Video, MyVideo and so on. It is written in Python. It has a command-line interface (vdown) and a PyGTK interface (gvdown). http://code.google.com/p/vdown/ Get YouTube Video is a KDE service menu usable with Konqueror to download YouTube Flash video clips. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Get+YouTube+Video+(improved)?content=41456 gnetvideoplayer is a C program for GNOME that serves as a player and downloader for YouTube and Stage6 videos, and depends on wget, MPlayer, and GtkMediaPlayer. https://forxa.mancomun.org/frs/?group_id=108 youshell is a Python script to search and download Flash video clips from YouTube and load them into Mplayer. http://code.google.com/p/youshell/ Elltube is a graphical Python / Qt4 YouTube Flash downloader and converter. http://elltube.sourceforge.net/ MP3 Rocket is a Java program to download YouTube and other clips http://www.mp3rocket.com/ Articles: http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/442454-youtube-tools-for-the-linux-desktop http://arun.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/download-youtube-videos-the-linux-way/ http://www.junauza.com/2010/01/download-youtube-videos-from-linux.html http://maketecheasier.com/download-youtube-videos-for-offline-viewing-on-linux/2009/02/09/ http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/302/how-to-wget-flv-from-youtube/ http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/youtube_and_gnu_linux_download_and_convert_videos_easy_way From cymraegish at gmail.com Wed May 18 17:45:20 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:45:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] YouTube downloading In-Reply-To: <20110518094214.GU4536@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110518094214.GU4536@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: I use the firefox plug-in "Video Download Helper" (dwhelper) and it always works. Play the videos with VLC. No need for anything else. I have one machine I managed to get the free-flash working to play Utube, unfortunately I did not make good note of what I did, and I have not been able (maybe not trying much as I prefer above method really) to reproduce it. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > (Copying over a conversation from CABAL's mailing list:) > > > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:49:43 -0700 > From: Rick Moen > To: conspire at linuxmafia.com > Subject: Re: [conspire] get back to me first > Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already. > > Quoting Bruce Coston (jane_ikari at yahoo.com): > > > I need to get a distro on one of my many small-ish laptop partitions > > that will play back YouTube videos I suck at the library after I > > suspend to disk and go home during our many summer Internet outages. > > My elive install suffers real problems with this, after I take it off > > disk suspend, back home. > > Bruce -- > > I'm going to make a longer post on this subject that aims to be more > comprehensive, but here's the short version: > > You're relying on local cache state of the Adobe Flash interpreter being > useful and complete after suspend to disk. Bad strategy. Instead, > install scripts or browser extensions to download the clips to local > disk. > > Slight elaboration: I'm assuming Flash (Sorenson H.263 encoding in FLV > container) for the sake of discussion, though Google's YouTube service > also offers video in MPEG Licensing Authority's patent-problematic H.264 > encoding in either FLV or MP4 (MPEG-4 Part 14) containers (often > inaccurately called 'HTML5' video), in Google's (ex-On2) VP8 encoding in > WebM containers (which along with Vorbis encoding in a Matroshka > container is part of the HTML5 draft), and in MPEG-4 Visual encoding in > 3GP containers (a format primarily intended for mobile 'phones). It's > pretty much the same problem regardless. > > Why a problem? Your media player plugin (Adobe Flash, for the sake of > discussion) is streaming-in the inbound A/V bitstream and dumping it > into ~/.mozilla/firefox/[hash]/Cache on an ongoing basis, but that > cached copy isn't guaranteed complete and useful at any given moment. > Also, it's not the least bit surprising to hear that Adobe Flash acts > stunned and stupid if it suddenly wakes up after being suspended to > disk. So, no, you're actually lucky if that ever works, because you can > be sure that the buggy spaghetti code in question isn't designed to do > it. > > So, let's say you look at the page HTML on a YouTube page to try to find > the .flv direct link so you can pull a copy down using wget or curl. > Surprise, you can't find it. Why not? Because you are not Google's > customer; you are their product -- and they are far, far more eager to > make Our Lords in Hollywood happy than they are you. So, they cause > YouTube to wrap the .flv link in inscrutable JavaScript, in order to > make it difficult to puzzle out. Moreover, they gratuitously change that > JavaScript obfuscation occasionally, to screw people up who've > de-obscured the latest version and are letting others know how. > > (They do that because Our Lords in Hollywood don't want users to have > local copies that cannot be retroactively withdrawn from availability.) > > Nonetheless, there are folks who gamely keep up with the changes, and > you can & should benefit from their work: > > clive (Perl script) > cclive (newer C++ rewrite of clive) > youtube-dl (Python script) > Flash Video Downloader (Firefox extension) > Easy YouTube Downloader (Firefox extension) > Get 'em all. > > There are distro packages for clive, cclive, youtube-dl (judging by > Debian). You may find the distro packages' frequency of update adequate > to keep up with JavaScript mischief at YouTube, Photobucket, > Dailymotion, Metacafe, Facebook, Yahoo, depositfiles.com, etc. -- or > not. If not, you might need to have them as locally installed and > updated software. > > ALSO: > > There's a persistent misconception, spread about by the ill-informed, > that the open source Flash interpreters (Gnash, Swfdec, and GPLFlash) > are inadequate to handle the Flash served by YouTube. No, wrong. It's > really just the obfuscatory JavaScript.[1] Which, if you use a > downloader such as those listed above, and it works, suddenly becomes a > non-problem. So, in addition to the recommendations above, please > consider losing the Adobe Flash proprietary garbage, or at least using > Gnash in preference. (For one thing, the Gnash developers don't spy on > users, about which please see http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/.) > > > [1] Adobe consistently withheld Flash's technical specifications from > the open source community, making selected details available only under > restrictive agreements. Starting June 2009, in the face of mounting > competition from alternatives (H.264 in MP4, VP8 in WebM, Vorbis in > Matroshka, and especially Microsoft Silverlight), they finally coughed > up the SWF file format specification without restriction, but omitted > anything about the key Real Time Messaging Protocol (RTMP) and Sorenson > Spark codec. Moreover, the open source community had already > independently reverse-engineered everything Adobe did disclose. > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:55:15 -0700 > From: Rick Moen > To: conspire at linuxmafia.com > Subject: [conspire] YouTube downloading software (was: get back to me > first) > Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already. > > I should also acknowledge Micah Lee's really useful posting on this > subject. Thanks, Micah! > > This is my compendium of links relative to my suggestion to Bruce > Coston, just posted > (http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2011-May/006225.html) that he > deal with his video streaming problem with YouTube and similar sites > through use of downloaders, which in turn can also permit, if he wishes, > losing that dreadful Adobe Flash plugin software and substituting > open-source compatibles (Gnash, Swfdec, GPLFlash). > > Here's the laundry list, which I hope will prove useful. Remember, you > should usually favour distro packages where available, rather than going > to upstream links (such as those cited). All codebases mentioned are > genuine open source (except for Google's Chrome Web browser). > > > clive is a Flash video extraction tool in Perl for user-uploaded video > hosts such as Youtube, Google Video, Dailymotion, Guba, and Metacafe. It > can be chained with 3rd party tools for subsequent video re-encoding and > playing and playing. > http://home.gna.org/clive/ > > clive-utils is a collection of add-on tools to parse RSS feeds, parse > video pages, and manage login passwords related to video sites. > http://code.google.com/p/clive-utils/ > > cclive is a rewrite of clive in C++ for lower system load. > http://cclive.sourceforge.net/ > > abby is a Qt-based graphical front end in C++ for clive and cclive. > http://code.google.com/p/abby/ > > youtube-dl is a (command-line) Python script for downloading Flash or > WebM (vp8 + Vorbis) video clips for YouTube.com, Google Video, > Photobucket, Yahoo Video, Dailymotion, DepositFiles, and some other > sites. You provide the clip's URL, and youtube-dl saves the clip as a > local file with file extension .flv. > http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ > > For maximum compatibility with even the more difficult (DRM-obscured) > YouTube clips, you should also install the rtmpdump program to decrypt > files served using Adobe's proprietary 'RTMP' protocol. See: > http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/documentation.html > > YouTube Downloader GUI is a Qt/kdelibs front-end for youtube-dl: > > http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Youtube-Downloader-GUI-28348.shtml > > Qttube is a similar Qt front-end for youtube-dl: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QtTube > > Flash Video Downloader is a Firefox extension to download Flash video > clips from YouTube, Dailymotion, Break.com, and many other sites. > http://www.flashvideodownloader.org/ > > Easy YouTube Downloader is a Firefox (and Chromium / Chrome) extension > to download YouTube videos in FLV, 3GP, MP3, MP4 and 720p HD and 1080p > Full-HD qualities. > http://www.yourvideofile.com/ > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-downl-10137/ > > quvi is a command-line tool in C for parsing Flash video links out of > YouTube and similar sites. > http://quvi.sourceforge.net/ > > PyTube is a Python app that searches and downloads YouTube video clips > and encodes them using FFMpeg: > http://pytube.sourceforge.net/ > (gone from: http://bashterritory.com, http://www.getdeb.net/app/PyTube, > http://www.marcosrodriguez.me/pytube/) > > pytube (different codebase) is a Python script for YouTube and MetaCafe > that de-obscures the video clip's URL from its obscuring JavaScript, so > that you can download it. > http://code.google.com/p/pytube/ > > Note: There was for a long time a Python / gtk+2 graphical application > also called Pytube, but unfortunately everyone relied on someone else to > host it, and it it appears to have vanished from the Internet. > > Utube Ripper (formerly Youtube Downloader for Linux) is an application > written in Gambas that works exclusively on Linux. It's useful to > download and convert Youtube videos in a simple and efficient way. > http://sourceforge.net/projects/utube/ > > (g)vdown is an application that can download videos from video sharing > websites like YouTube, Google Video, MyVideo and so on. It is written in > Python. It has a command-line interface (vdown) and a PyGTK interface > (gvdown). > http://code.google.com/p/vdown/ > > Get YouTube Video is a KDE service menu usable with Konqueror to > download YouTube Flash video clips. > > http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Get+YouTube+Video+(improved)?content=41456 > > gnetvideoplayer is a C program for GNOME that serves as a player and > downloader for YouTube and Stage6 videos, and depends on wget, MPlayer, > and GtkMediaPlayer. > https://forxa.mancomun.org/frs/?group_id=108 > > youshell is a Python script to search and download Flash video clips > from YouTube and load them into Mplayer. > http://code.google.com/p/youshell/ > > Elltube is a graphical Python / Qt4 YouTube Flash downloader and > converter. > http://elltube.sourceforge.net/ > > MP3 Rocket is a Java program to download YouTube and other clips > http://www.mp3rocket.com/ > > > Articles: > > http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/442454-youtube-tools-for-the-linux-desktop > http://arun.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/download-youtube-videos-the-linux-way/ > http://www.junauza.com/2010/01/download-youtube-videos-from-linux.html > > http://maketecheasier.com/download-youtube-videos-for-offline-viewing-on-linux/2009/02/09/ > http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/302/how-to-wget-flv-from-youtube/ > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/youtube_and_gnu_linux_download_and_convert_videos_easy_way > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Thu May 19 11:00:43 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:00:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com Message-ID: <4DD55ACB.7010506@dslextreme.com> In today's flyer: A dual core Atom running SUSE Linux tiny Desktop. later bliss From jim at systemateka.com Thu May 19 11:37:23 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:37:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com In-Reply-To: <4DD55ACB.7010506@dslextreme.com> References: <4DD55ACB.7010506@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <1305830243.1770.23.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Interesting find, Bobby! $109.00 loaded with SUSE, 50W power supply, 1 GB RAM (with expansion to 4 GB), 1 GB SATA disk module, no wifi, no modem, 10/100/1G ethernet, about 9X9X2.2 inches. lack of storage implies cloud (internal or external) use, e.g. browser-based email and web surfing for home users. no MSFT tax and low power consumption. On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > In today's flyer: > > > A dual core Atom running SUSE Linux tiny Desktop. > > later > bliss > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Thu May 19 11:44:46 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:44:46 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com In-Reply-To: <1305830243.1770.23.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <4DD55ACB.7010506@dslextreme.com> <1305830243.1770.23.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <4DD5651E.8020200@gmail.com> Apparently many others agree with you: Availability: Out of Stock On 05/19/2011 11:37 AM, jim wrote: > > Interesting find, Bobby! > > $109.00 loaded with SUSE, 50W power supply, 1 GB RAM > (with expansion to 4 GB), 1 GB SATA disk module, no wifi, > no modem, 10/100/1G ethernet, about 9X9X2.2 inches. > > lack of storage implies cloud (internal or external) > use, e.g. browser-based email and web surfing for home > users. > > no MSFT tax and low power consumption. > > > > On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> In today's flyer: >> >> >> A dual core Atom running SUSE Linux tiny Desktop. >> >> later >> bliss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From jim at systemateka.com Thu May 19 12:56:38 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:56:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Linux System Administrator in San Francisco $95K or better Message-ID: <1305834998.1770.29.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Linux Systems Administrator at Huddler, 95k and up per year depending on experience. Huddler is rapidly growing venture-backed startup building a SAAS platform that powers large forums on the web. As a Systems Administrator at Huddler, you will work with a team of bright engineers to design, build, and maintain our platform. We are located in downtown San Francisco. Responsibilities: Maintain and scale a rapidly growing community of sites. Build, deploy, and manage open-source and proprietary software packages on our Linux cluster. Responsible for overall site reliability including participating in 24x7 on-call coverage. Build and maintain machine, service, and network monitoring infrastructure. Work closely with development team to identify and troubleshoot functional and performance issues. Build and maintain tools to automate routine administrative functions on our production, QA, and development environments. Software you must be familiar with: Linux (Centos Preferred) Apache RDBMS (Postgres Preferred) Varnish Nginx Perl, Python, or Ruby It would be great if you are also familiar with: Nagios Puppet Syslog-ng Jabber Capistrano PHP memcached Redis Solr/Lucene Please send your resume to yonas at huddler-inc.com. Thank you. From sverma at sfsu.edu Thu May 19 14:42:23 2011 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 14:42:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] booting Linux over Javascript Message-ID: Try http://bellard.org/jslinux/ in Google Chrome/Chromium or Firefox 4. Original post at http://lwn.net/Articles/443200/ cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Information Systems Director, Campus Business Solutions San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ http://cbs.sfsu.edu/ http://is.sfsu.edu/ From wellmanron at gmail.com Thu May 19 15:04:52 2011 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:04:52 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com Message-ID: bobbie, what does "Currently Unavailable" mean to you? I think it means "Don't send me your money". ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu May 19 15:43:15 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:43:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com In-Reply-To: <4DD55ACB.7010506@dslextreme.com> References: <4DD55ACB.7010506@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20110519224315.GY4536@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > In today's flyer: > > > A dual core Atom running SUSE Linux tiny Desktop. Here's the Achilles heel: Integrated 10/100/1000 Ethernet (Broadcom LOM) Being Dell, their chipset information sucks and is a bit misleading: Turns out, the ethernet _itself_ isn't Broadcom. Only the Lights-Out Management (LOM) feature is Broadcom: The motherboard's ethernet functions are integral to the SiS 968 southbridge chip, and is the same as the SiS 191. A compatible sis191 driver is in Linux kernels starting kernel revision 2.6.24. So, probably OK with very recent distro releases; otherwise, expect frustration. Linux support for the SiS 968 southbridge's SATA would be even more vital, but fortunately that's compatible with the bog-standard ahci driver. But, you know, if you really _want_ one of these puppies, they're available through other retailers aside from just geeks.com. Search and ye shall find. From wellmanron at gmail.com Thu May 19 15:50:34 2011 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:50:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] where oh Message-ID: where can the orange shutdown icon be found? I want a second one on the desktop. thx On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com (jim) > 2. Re: Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com (Michael Shiloh) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:37:23 -0700 > From: jim > To: Bobbie Sellers > Cc: SF-LUG > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com > Message-ID: <1305830243.1770.23.camel at jim-LAPTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > Interesting find, Bobby! > > $109.00 loaded with SUSE, 50W power supply, 1 GB RAM > (with expansion to 4 GB), 1 GB SATA disk module, no wifi, > no modem, 10/100/1G ethernet, about 9X9X2.2 inches. > > lack of storage implies cloud (internal or external) > use, e.g. browser-based email and web surfing for home > users. > > no MSFT tax and low power consumption. > > > > On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > In today's flyer: > > < > http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=OPTI-FX160-USFF-LNX-3R&utm_source=geekmail&utm_medium=daily_html&utm_content=product&utm_campaign=M370NV_19may11 > > > > > > A dual core Atom running SUSE Linux tiny Desktop. > > > > later > > bliss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:44:46 -0700 > From: Michael Shiloh > To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com > Message-ID: <4DD5651E.8020200 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Apparently many others agree with you: > > Availability: Out of Stock > > On 05/19/2011 11:37 AM, jim wrote: > > > > Interesting find, Bobby! > > > > $109.00 loaded with SUSE, 50W power supply, 1 GB RAM > > (with expansion to 4 GB), 1 GB SATA disk module, no wifi, > > no modem, 10/100/1G ethernet, about 9X9X2.2 inches. > > > > lack of storage implies cloud (internal or external) > > use, e.g. browser-based email and web surfing for home > > users. > > > > no MSFT tax and low power consumption. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> In today's flyer: > >> < > http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=OPTI-FX160-USFF-LNX-3R&utm_source=geekmail&utm_medium=daily_html&utm_content=product&utm_campaign=M370NV_19may11 > > > >> > >> A dual core Atom running SUSE Linux tiny Desktop. > >> > >> later > >> bliss > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sf-lug mailing list > >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > -- > Michael Shiloh > KA6RCQ > www.teachmetomake.com > teachmetomake.wordpress.com > Interested in classes? Join > http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 64, Issue 20 > ************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Thu May 19 16:28:23 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:28:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux desktop for sale at geeks.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DD5A797.3010701@dslextreme.com> On 05/19/2011 03:04 PM, ron wellman wrote: > bobbie, what does "Currently Unavailable" mean to you? I think it > means "Don't send me your money". ron I think a closer interpretation would be sign up for the newsletter and when we get more units in you can send us some money, (if you want the system). To me there were several points of interest one being the dual core Atom processor, the system size and above all that it was supplied with a version of Linux though not a great one perhaps. later bliss From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Tue May 31 20:33:26 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:33:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting June 5th (next Sunday) and the previous meeting. Message-ID: <4DE5B306.7000602@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG meets on the First Sunday from 11 AM to 1 PM at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue. All meeting times are nominal. 05/16/2011 The meeting was small but enjoyed by the 4 computerists in attendance, I got to the Cafe Enchante early. Jim Stockford showed up very shortly after that but told us early that he would be unable to stay until 8 P.M. Eric brought goodies of black rubber duckies tee-shirts and other items. Then more Ubuntu DVDs showed up accompanied by Grant Bowman. Grant brought along his developer's version of the Ciera tablet from Intel, running the German version of MeeGo. It was very interesting to handle this high-powered tablet and it seems to have acceptable performance. I personally was made nervous by the weight of it but my grip is less certain over the last few years, Jim had to leave early and Grant gave myself and Eric rides back to our respective homes. Bring your problems and if no one in attendance can solve a problem we know where to find more help. Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. (415) 251-9136 If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA From grantbow at ubuntu.com Fri Jun 3 20:25:28 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 20:25:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Did You Know? 4.0 Message-ID: I showed this video at the last nosiebridge.net Wednesday night meeting and promised to send it to the list. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ILQrUrEWe8 Cheers, Grant From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sat Jun 4 08:22:38 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:22:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Dr. Who, the Anime . . . Message-ID: <4DEA4DBE.6080400@dslextreme.com> Well I know other people will be interested in this after all, Dr.Who... -------- Original Message -------- Path: mx04.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!newsfeed101.telia.com!starscream.dk.telia.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Antonio E. Gonzalez Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime.misc Subject: Dr. Who, the Anime . . . Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 01:25:05 -0700 This was done by someone with way too much free time . . . and we should all be grateful for that!: - ReFlex76 - -------- End of Original Message -------- later Bobbie Sellers From algoldor at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 11:41:39 2011 From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] google sketch up and wine problem Message-ID: <673058.53257.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Hello, >> I'm trying to install google sketch up on my linux system (11.04) fallowing >>this manual http://ubuntuguide.net/install-google-sketchup-cad-style-app-in-ubuntu-using-wine >> As usually it doesn't work at least not for me. When I'm trying to "install" >>the winetricks it gave me this message algoldor at salixis:~$ sh winetricks corefonts vcrun6 vcrun2005 fixme:system:SetProcessDPIAware stub! fixme:dwmapi:DwmIsCompositionEnabled 0x33cbdc fixme:iphlpapi:NotifyAddrChange (Handle 0xa6ee8d8, overlapped 0xa6ee8e0): stub wine: configuration in '/home/algoldor/.wine' has been updated. Executing w_do_call corefonts Executing load_corefonts Executing mkdir -p /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts': Permission denied ------------------------------------------------------ Note: command 'mkdir -p /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts' returned status 1. Aborting. >> I've tried the sudo, I get this algoldor at salixis:~$ sudo sh winetricks corefonts vcrun6 vcrun2005 [sudo] password for algoldor: wine: /home/algoldor/.wine is not owned by you ------------------------------------------------------ wine cmd.exe /c echo '%ProgramFiles%' returned empty string >> I've tried to go around it and created the directory by myself but in that case >>I get this error message algoldor at salixis:~$ sudo mkdir -p /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts algoldor at salixis:~$ sh winetricks corefonts vcrun6 vcrun2005 Executing w_do_call corefonts Executing load_corefonts Executing mkdir -p /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts Downloading http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the%20fonts/final/arial32.exe to /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts arial32.exe: Permission denied ------------------------------------------------------ Downloading http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the%20fonts/final/arial32.exe failed >> I've tried to fallow this manual http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=700801 >> It gives me after that this error message algoldor at salixis:~$ sh winetricks corefonts vcrun6 vcrun2005 Executing w_do_call corefonts Executing load_corefonts Executing mkdir -p /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts Downloading http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the%20fonts/final/arial32.exe to /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts arial32.exe: Permission denied ------------------------------------------------------ Downloading http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the%20fonts/final/arial32.exe failed >> I do not know what is going on. I've all administration privileges and I'm >>installing/downloading to my home directory so where is the problem? >> >> I know that I could use several hours of searching for the answer but I've >>several other things which I've to go through so if anyone could help it would >>be appreciated. >> Thanks for any hint, >> Sincerely, >> Frantisek From einfeldt at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 18:08:33 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:08:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Support free software in schools by buying Ubunt-themed earrings! Message-ID: Hi, You can support free software in schools by buying a beautiful pair of Ubuntu-themed earrings! Here is Elizabeth Krumbach's post on it. Six dollars of each purchase goes to support Partimus.org, which is dedicated to putting GNU-Linux boxes into schools: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4515 Here is the actual page where Partimus.org talks about this: http://partimus.org/donate.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbs at sonic.net Mon Jun 13 12:56:26 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:56:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, June 20: "Writing a compiler in Haskell and LLVM" Message-ID: <201106131956.p5DJuQoD022746@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting this month: Monday June 20, 2011 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "Writing a compiler in Haskell and LLVM" Bryan Bell Why would you want to write a compiler? How do Haskell and LLVM make compiler writing easier and less error prone? This presentation will include: 1) A discussion on why compilers are important, 2) A short high level introduction on Haskell and LLVM, and 3) How Haskell and LLVM make it easier to write a compiler. Haskell is a standardized, general-purpose purely functional programming language, with non-strict semantics and strong static typing. The Low Level Virtual Machine (LLVM) is a compiler infrastructure, written in C++, which is designed for compile-time, link-time, run-time, and "idle-time" optimization of programs written in arbitrary programming languages. Originally implemented for C/C++, the language-independent design (and the success) of LLVM has since spawned a wide variety of front ends, including Objective-C, Fortran, Ada, Haskell, Java bytecode, Python, Ruby, ActionScript, GLSL, and others. About the Speaker: Bryan Bell is a graduate intern at Intel. He received a BS in Mathematics from UC Davis, and is working on a MS in CS at CSU Sacramento. His interests are programming languages, compilers, and computational geometry. This meeting will be held at: Wickson Hall Room 2124 UC Davis Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/wickson/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From nbs at sonic.net Mon Jun 13 13:03:18 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:03:18 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] CORRECTION: Linux Users' Group of Davis, June 20: "Writing a compiler in Haskell and LLVM" Message-ID: <201106132003.p5DK3IQc025301@bolt.sonic.net> Note! The correct room for this meeting will be 1017 Wickson Hall (and not 2124, as mentioned in the earlier post; that's the room we had met in at Wickson a few times previously.) The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting this month: Monday June 20, 2011 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "Writing a compiler in Haskell and LLVM" Bryan Bell Why would you want to write a compiler? How do Haskell and LLVM make compiler writing easier and less error prone? This presentation will include: 1) A discussion on why compilers are important, 2) A short high level introduction on Haskell and LLVM, and 3) How Haskell and LLVM make it easier to write a compiler. Haskell is a standardized, general-purpose purely functional programming language, with non-strict semantics and strong static typing. The Low Level Virtual Machine (LLVM) is a compiler infrastructure, written in C++, which is designed for compile-time, link-time, run-time, and "idle-time" optimization of programs written in arbitrary programming languages. Originally implemented for C/C++, the language-independent design (and the success) of LLVM has since spawned a wide variety of front ends, including Objective-C, Fortran, Ada, Haskell, Java bytecode, Python, Ruby, ActionScript, GLSL, and others. About the Speaker: Bryan Bell is a graduate intern at Intel. He received a BS in Mathematics from UC Davis, and is working on a MS in CS at CSU Sacramento. His interests are programming languages, compilers, and computational geometry. This meeting will be held at: Wickson Hall Room 1017 UC Davis Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/wickson/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 16:04:25 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:04:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] google sketch up and wine problem In-Reply-To: <673058.53257.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <673058.53257.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Frantisek, >From the errors you posted, I'd check that you are really the owner of all the files and directories under .cache/*.... If not, change them with sudo chown .... Next, has the executable been created with the execute bit? Maybe a package error if it is off. Check your umask if you have changed it anytime in the past. Also, check that your home directory, if mounted, is not mounted with a noexe attribute (mount should display the attributes). Good Luck. Ken On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote: > >> Hello, > >> I'm trying to install google sketch up on my linux system (11.04) > fallowing > >>this manual > > > http://ubuntuguide.net/install-google-sketchup-cad-style-app-in-ubuntu-using-wine > > > >> As usually it doesn't work at least not for me. When I'm trying to > "install" > >>the winetricks it gave me this message > > > algoldor at salixis:~$ sh winetricks corefonts vcrun6 vcrun2005 > fixme:system:SetProcessDPIAware stub! > fixme:dwmapi:DwmIsCompositionEnabled 0x33cbdc > fixme:iphlpapi:NotifyAddrChange (Handle 0xa6ee8d8, overlapped 0xa6ee8e0): > stub > wine: configuration in '/home/algoldor/.wine' has been updated. > Executing w_do_call corefonts > Executing load_corefonts > Executing mkdir -p /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts > mkdir: cannot create directory > `/home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts': > Permission denied > ------------------------------------------------------ > Note: command 'mkdir -p /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts' > returned > status 1. Aborting. > > > >> I've tried the sudo, I get this > > algoldor at salixis:~$ sudo sh winetricks corefonts vcrun6 vcrun2005 > [sudo] password for algoldor: > wine: /home/algoldor/.wine is not owned by you > ------------------------------------------------------ > wine cmd.exe /c echo '%ProgramFiles%' returned empty string > > > >> I've tried to go around it and created the directory by myself but in > that case > >>I get this error message > > algoldor at salixis:~$ sudo mkdir -p > /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts > algoldor at salixis:~$ sh winetricks corefonts vcrun6 vcrun2005 > Executing w_do_call corefonts > Executing load_corefonts > Executing mkdir -p /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts > Downloading > > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the%20fonts/final/arial32.exe > to /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts > arial32.exe: Permission denied > ------------------------------------------------------ > Downloading > > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the%20fonts/final/arial32.exe > failed > > >> I've tried to fallow this manual > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=700801 > > >> It gives me after that this error message > > > algoldor at salixis:~$ sh winetricks corefonts vcrun6 vcrun2005 > Executing w_do_call corefonts > Executing load_corefonts > Executing mkdir -p /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts > Downloading > > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the%20fonts/final/arial32.exe > to /home/algoldor/.cache/winetricks/corefonts > arial32.exe: Permission denied > ------------------------------------------------------ > Downloading > > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the%20fonts/final/arial32.exe > failed > > > >> I do not know what is going on. I've all administration privileges and > I'm > >>installing/downloading to my home directory so where is the problem? > >> > > >> I know that I could use several hours of searching for the answer but > I've > >>several other things which I've to go through so if anyone could help it > would > >>be appreciated. > > >> Thanks for any hint, > > >> Sincerely, > > >> Frantisek > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Jun 15 17:39:35 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:39:35 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meets on Monday June 20. Message-ID: <4DF950C7.3060502@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG meets on the Third Monday from 6-8 PM June 20, at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue. All meeting times are nominal. Bring your problems and if no one in attendance can solve a problem we know where to find more help. If you want to catch on to the status of Mageia, alt.os.linux.mageia is now on eternal-september news server. Mageia is the fork of Mandriva when they let go so many of their coders and the like. Mageia is at an RC release now. Nothing thrilling as they are trying to produce a release compatible with Mandriva 2010.2. Mandriva 2011 is still in development and it should be allowed to take all the time it needs to be brought up to release level. Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. (415) 251-9136 If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA later Bobbie Sellers From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Thu Jun 16 08:11:33 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:11:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2011-06-21: Stefano Maffulli: Get to know the FreedomBox project; & other BALUG news Message-ID: <20110616081133.17174jbogpjcz8cg@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG Tu 2011-06-21: Stefano Maffulli: Get to know the FreedomBox project; & other BALUG news In this issue (details further below): 2011-06-21: Stefano Maffulli: Get to know the FreedomBox project CDs, etc. "Slides" from 2011-05-17 BALUG meeting ------------------------------ Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-06-21 Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-06-21 meeting, we're proud to present: 2011-06-21 Stefano Maffulli on FreedomBox[1] Title: Get to know the FreedomBox project Abstract: The FreedomBox is a generation of smart devices whose engineered purpose is to work together to facilitate free communication among people, safely and securely, beyond the ambition of the strongest power to penetrate, they can make freedom of thought and information a permanent, ineradicable feature of the net that holds our souls. The project started because social networking and digital communications technologies are now critical to people fighting to make freedom in their societies. Think of the revolutions in the Egypt and Lybia. Stefano Maffulli will give an overview of the aim of the project, give an update on its status and provide information to start hacking on it. Stefano Maffulli, long time free/libre software advocate, former Italian Chancellor of Free Software Foundation Europe, helped Europe reject the directive on software patents and in the European antitrust trial against Microsoft. Worked as community manager for open source company Funambol and later at Twitter, taking care of user growth in Italy. Currently helping the FreedomBox Foundation reach its goal. 1. http://freedomboxfoundation.org/ See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (CDs, etc.) So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such. We've also tweaked our "door prize" / giveaway practices a bit - so RSVPing and arriving sufficiently on time increases one's odds of winning door prize(s) and/or getting first or earlier pick of giveaway items. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 2011-06-21 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). ------------------------------ CDs, etc.: Additional goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ "Slides" from 2011-05-17 BALUG meeting: Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds Have a look on Mark Hinkle's site[1] at the various slide/presentation references/links. 1. http://socializedsoftware.com/ ------------------------------ Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org You can now follow BALUG on Twitter. We're still working out exactly how we'll use that BALUG_org account on Twitter, but follow us there, and we'll likely include at least some announcements and updates. Thoughts/feedback on how we use that Twitter account? - drop us a note at: publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jun 16 09:19:34 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:19:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meets on Monday June 20. In-Reply-To: <4DF950C7.3060502@dslextreme.com> References: <4DF950C7.3060502@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20110616161933.GT2206@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > Mageia is the fork of Mandriva when they let go > so many of their coders and the like. Mageia is at an > RC release now. Nothing thrilling as they are trying > to produce a release compatible with Mandriva 2010.2. Hi, Bobbie. Mageia 1 was released on June 1st. Please see: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20110606#news http://www.zarb.org/~pterjan/blog/?date=20110601#p01 (I've burned a copy for CABAL's massive set of current Linux and BSD distros.) From jim at systemateka.com Sun Jun 19 09:36:44 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:36:44 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meets tomorrow evening Monday 20110620 6 to 8 PM Message-ID: <1308501404.1616.101.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Tomorrow evening from 6 to 8 or so at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Ave. We usually get together somewhere in the left area of the Cafe Enchante. I'll try to remember to bring a penguin or some other table marker. From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon Jun 20 18:45:52 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:45:52 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG REMINDER: TOMORROW Tu 2011-06-21: Stefano Maffulli: Get to know the FreedomBox project Message-ID: <20110620184552.43373xesalnqazgg@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG REMINDER: TOMORROW Tu 2011-06-21: Stefano Maffulli: Get to know the FreedomBox project Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-06-21 Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-06-21 meeting, we're proud to present: 2011-06-21 Stefano Maffulli on FreedomBox[1] Title: Get to know the FreedomBox project Abstract: The FreedomBox is a generation of smart devices whose engineered purpose is to work together to facilitate free communication among people, safely and securely, beyond the ambition of the strongest power to penetrate, they can make freedom of thought and information a permanent, ineradicable feature of the net that holds our souls. The project started because social networking and digital communications technologies are now critical to people fighting to make freedom in their societies. Think of the revolutions in the Egypt and Lybia. Stefano Maffulli will give an overview of the aim of the project, give an update on its status and provide information to start hacking on it. Stefano Maffulli, long time free/libre software advocate, former Italian Chancellor of Free Software Foundation Europe, helped Europe reject the directive on software patents and in the European antitrust trial against Microsoft. Worked as community manager for open source company Funambol and later at Twitter, taking care of user growth in Italy. Currently helping the FreedomBox Foundation reach its goal. 1. http://freedomboxfoundation.org/ See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (CDs, etc.) So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such. We've also tweaked our "door prize" / giveaway practices a bit - so RSVPing and arriving sufficiently on time increases one's odds of winning door prize(s) and/or getting first or earlier pick of giveaway items. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 2011-06-21 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). ------------------------------ CDs, etc.: Additional goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ earlier additional details: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2011-June/000171.html http://www.balug.org/ From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 08:51:52 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:51:52 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] ignore that text Message-ID: I am at a conf, and my boss's Inspiron notebook is not booting into setup or boot options. I tried to hit F2, and it starts to boot into setup, but then hangs. He doesn't even know what model Inspiron it is, but it is very new. He has now given up, but I might have another shot later in the day. I want to boot into Ubuntu 10.04 from his CD-ROM, but I can't even get boot options. Any suggestions welcome. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 09:23:49 2011 From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:23:49 +0300 Subject: [sf-lug] ignore that text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E00C595.30904@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 can you go into BIOS and enable moving the CD rom higher up the boot list? how about hitting F12 for ad-hoc boot list? how about USB device boot? Ehud On 06/21/2011 06:51 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > I am at a conf, and my boss's Inspiron notebook is not booting into > setup or boot options. I tried to hit F2, and it starts to boot > into setup, but then hangs. He doesn't even know what model > Inspiron it is, but it is very new. He has now given up, but I > might have another shot later in the day. I want to boot into > Ubuntu 10.04 from his CD-ROM, but I can't even get boot options. > Any suggestions welcome. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOAMWQAAoJEAYu2FhJ51Yk12AP/RmwlnvjnpHw8qWLOi+xQO4+ bbbscHp5iL30ttPvczgjV9WItmWicOqRGeD2V2lL+nPR47R+BIpBpX4a3WdsGmNf w8E3odLp4uumgXQhBQC13O8Oh3t942V2nLQhSi9p3b5WT57ONTMa11Q0BFhfuviL eMmtErTutenaeWA4RL9h2L/JV0kmwOVQDVfM6MvB3OndaeD35MIu+liUBhZYF8gG WDjZu56QC1bLjDaJuorCFmcpDoD/Z3lnj6cqnXrWLl8pCjm4XMEcp1VpfUAiqLzX PLFquds3Xsq3/rLjpHNBhJa3mSkznGh0wKxRKbaA0etG5xzDlL1UCpvVBhIyEZmD vPzaea7Ieh2gOqyfZ/O7PMwuYwj6+qgJ0nwTzowET+ok84GgyU3Qr5oYB9c3uh9x 5k70jhi7ZQEv7WKKoHmK1u7v+jTiWzIv7pEOAWBiJZuQQGOZ5g07maFgd5l6mcQA huQUmSc04GZiwAKb9hw6sehoExcuoff5CeJUg4OsX9HTHFINJiQ5kqdZzA77jpJl QatQUT7V9qL9Km1P8Nkt8gllCNvLKgOk+Crno8V5p8P5k7WSbMjCioq9930mv1e3 ngIKuejJZSyF4eA5IrRT8rwm3Qr8BT59Nmqx28Znf/OpGSc0wAdxrae7WNq2f5m1 eNaVRSOlKG6Zqx6a1WG2 =W2iq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 11:22:08 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:22:08 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] ignore that text In-Reply-To: <4E00C595.30904@gmail.com> References: <4E00C595.30904@gmail.com> Message-ID: hi, bottom posting... On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Ehud Kaldor wrote: > ** > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > can you go into BIOS and enable moving the CD rom higher up the boot > list? how about hitting F12 for ad-hoc boot list? > I have tried hitting both F2 and F12 and esc. F2 and F12 don't work. Hitting the esc key causes the machine to deliver a screen that says "hit F2 to enter set up, and then the machine starts to enter setup, but hangs. > how about USB device > boot? > I really need to get a flash drive for Ubuntu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 21 11:52:22 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:52:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] ignore that text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110621185222.GD2206@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com): > I am at a conf, and my boss's Inspiron notebook is not booting into setup or > boot options. I tried to hit F2, and it starts to boot into setup, but then > hangs. If it hangs going into BIOS Setup, then your boss's Dell Inspiron has bigger problems than inability to boot a Linux live CD. This argues either fundamental hardware problems or corrupted data in the Setup CMOS. The latter problem, if present, can be dealt with by clearing the CMOS contents, but that's generally a hardware operation, i.e., opening the case and removing for several seconds a three-pin CLEAR CMOS jumper (move jumper from pins 1&2 to 2&3, wait five seconds, move jumper back). _However_, on some Inspirons, you can clear CMOS contents (restoring defaults) as follows: Power up, hit when the BIOS splash screen appears. When the System Setup screen appears, press + . Then, press the key. Then, press the key to save changes and exit. Other Inspiron models will clear CMOS upon being given a master password that you can request by telephone from Dell Technical Support. It is a good idea to call during the warranty period to get the password then, as it's doubtful they'll help afterwards. I don't know that *I* would be brave enough to attempt any such things on the boss's laptop, though, as the Pottery Barn Rule would tend to apply. Moreover: > He doesn't even know what model Inspiron it is, but it is very new. Then, why in Gehenna aren't you simply telephoning Dell? (800) 624-9896. And by the way, for gosh sakes, the model number is on the case. As is the Service Tag and Express Service Code that Dell Technical Support will ask for. From aropoika at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 12:04:47 2011 From: aropoika at earthlink.net (BillHill) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:04:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [sf-lug] re malformed line 49 in ubuntu 11.04 install disk Message-ID: <1329474.1308769487618.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi - at noisebridge we recently got the (32bit) ubuntu 11.04 install disk and had a problem with one line of code (line 49 malformed - software wouldnt work until it got update from online). Once that line was fixed, the install worked, including updates from online. Has anyone made the fix to the install disk so it doesnt have to be done manually? --billhill From grantbow at ubuntu.com Thu Jun 23 08:31:26 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:31:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting Message-ID: One FAQ I hear from time to time at Linux User Groups is: where can I learn about Bourne/Bourne Again SHell (BASH) scripting? Michael Paoli also has an excellent guide online. http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/unix/sh/ From experience teaching scripting he recommends starting with the six page 1979 sh man page! http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/v7vol1.pdf Another good answer seems to be the "Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide" http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ which despite the title doesn't start at the Advanced level. That's where you will end up after reading it. If you are not already familiar with it, the Linux Documentation Project is a fantastic resource for FAQ and HOWTO documents that many people (including myself) have used to teach themselves a number of related topics. This guide is also recommended from http://www.linuxmafia.com/kb/Devtools The reason I write this is because this question came up again last night at http://noisebridge.net during our weekly Linux Discussion. Does anyone else have recommendations? Regards, Grant Bowman From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jun 23 10:52:32 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:52:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110623175232.GD2508@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Grant Bowman (grantbow at ubuntu.com): > Another good answer seems to be the "Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide" > http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ which despite the title doesn't start at > the Advanced level. That's where you will end up after reading it. > If you are not already familiar with it, the Linux Documentation > Project is a fantastic resource for FAQ and HOWTO documents that many > people (including myself) have used to teach themselves a number of > related topics. In particular, in addition to The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide: BASH Programming-Introduction HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html Bash Guide for Beginners: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ The Bash Prompt HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ > The reason I write this is because this question came up again last > night at http://noisebridge.net during our weekly Linux Discussion. > Does anyone else have recommendations? I'm pretty fond, too, of O'Reilly Media's book _bash Cookbook_ by Carl Albing and others. The title notwithstanding, it's a good tutorial for bash and its surrounding system context. Chet Ramey's site is very useful: http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/bashtop.html Also Bill Shotts's Writing Shell Scripts http://www.linuxcommand.org/writing_shell_scripts.php It's also worth reading and understanding Tom Christiansen's classic explanation about why, despite the original Bourne shell's inadequacies, csh scripting was not the answer: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ or Wikipedia's condensed version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_shell#Criticism The need to combine csh's advantages for interactive use with the Bourne (sh) shell's superior scripting functions is what inspired the creation of first the Korn shell (ksh) and then bash. (A few oddballs also like zsh.) From grantbow at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 14:09:32 2011 From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:09:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting In-Reply-To: <20110623175232.GD2508@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110623175232.GD2508@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, I wrote: > Michael Paoli also has an excellent guide online. > http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/unix/sh/ From experience teaching scripting > he recommends starting with the six page 1979 sh man page! > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/v7vol1.pdf I was hoping for suggestions and recommendations of particular quality beginner resources rather than numerous, excellent, more professional resources because it is hard to know specifically where to start out. If you had to choose only one, where would you suggest a beginner go first? Grant On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Grant Bowman (grantbow at ubuntu.com): > >> Another good answer seems to be the "Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide" >> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ which despite the title doesn't start at >> the Advanced level. ?That's where you will end up after reading it. >> If you are not already familiar with it, the Linux Documentation >> Project is a fantastic resource for FAQ and HOWTO documents that many >> people (including myself) have used to teach themselves a number of >> related topics. > > In particular, in addition to The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide: > > BASH Programming-Introduction HOWTO: > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html > > Bash Guide for Beginners: > http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ > > The Bash Prompt HOWTO: > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ > > >> The reason I write this is because this question came up again last >> night at http://noisebridge.net during our weekly Linux Discussion. >> Does anyone else have recommendations? > > I'm pretty fond, too, of O'Reilly Media's book _bash Cookbook_ by Carl > Albing and others. ?The title notwithstanding, it's a good tutorial for > bash and its surrounding system context. > > Chet Ramey's site is very useful: > http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/bashtop.html > > Also Bill Shotts's Writing Shell Scripts > http://www.linuxcommand.org/writing_shell_scripts.php > > > It's also worth reading and understanding Tom Christiansen's classic > explanation about why, despite the original Bourne shell's inadequacies, > csh scripting was not the answer: > > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ > or Wikipedia's condensed version: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_shell#Criticism > > The need to combine csh's advantages for interactive use with the Bourne > (sh) shell's superior scripting functions is what inspired the creation > of first the Korn shell (ksh) and then bash. ?(A few oddballs also like > zsh.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jun 23 15:31:06 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:31:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting In-Reply-To: References: <20110623175232.GD2508@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110623223106.GO2508@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Grant Bowman (grantbow at gmail.com): > I was hoping for suggestions and recommendations of particular quality > beginner resources rather than numerous, excellent, more professional > resources.... Those _are_ beginner resources. > ...because it is hard to know specifically where to start out. > If you had to choose only one, where would you suggest a beginner go > first? Gee, I don't know. Given that every one of the resources I mentioned other than Albing & co's book is available freely on the Web, I suspect 'Try it and see what you like' is more than sufficient, and in fact better than 'choose this one'. Maybe there's not a single bash tutorial that's best for everyone. Maybe there's not a single Web browser that's best for everyone. Maybe there's not a single window manager that's best for everyone. Maybe there's not a single office suite that's best for everyone. Maybe there's not a single Linux distribution that's best for everyone. Having spent a couple of decades documenting the feast of choices that open source users have, it's really peculiar to hear people come back with 'Yeah, but which _one_ should I choose?' 'Try and see what you like' has gotten me a long way in life. One size seldom fits all. From grantbow at ubuntu.com Thu Jun 23 16:55:00 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:55:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting In-Reply-To: <20110623223106.GO2508@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110623175232.GD2508@linuxmafia.com> <20110623223106.GO2508@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > ... available freely on the Web... Free as in beer can be at odds with available free time. Too few choices is a problem but so is too many choices when just getting started. I acknowledge, appreciate and respect your decades of attention documenting the feast of choices for people to take after they have enough information to fully acknowledge, appreciate and respect your work on this and many other issues. Grant From jim at systemateka.com Thu Jun 23 17:12:22 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:12:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1308874342.1681.7.camel@jim-LAPTOP> I'm not sure how it compares: I've got a BASH shell scripting tutorial more or less done but not finished (most of the info's there, but it could be improved with some diagrams and better explanations here and there. http://www.systemateka.com/BashShScr.html One of its merits is that it covers pretty much all of the essential shell scripting stuff in a fairly brief form. I'd be glad for criticism, sarcasm, anything that might improve it. jim On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 08:31 -0700, Grant Bowman wrote: > One FAQ I hear from time to time at Linux User Groups is: where can I > learn about Bourne/Bourne Again SHell (BASH) scripting? > > Michael Paoli also has an excellent guide online. > http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/unix/sh/ From experience teaching scripting > he recommends starting with the six page 1979 sh man page! > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/v7vol1.pdf > > Another good answer seems to be the "Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide" > http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ which despite the title doesn't start at > the Advanced level. That's where you will end up after reading it. > If you are not already familiar with it, the Linux Documentation > Project is a fantastic resource for FAQ and HOWTO documents that many > people (including myself) have used to teach themselves a number of > related topics. This guide is also recommended from > http://www.linuxmafia.com/kb/Devtools > > The reason I write this is because this question came up again last > night at http://noisebridge.net during our weekly Linux Discussion. > Does anyone else have recommendations? > > Regards, > > Grant Bowman > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jun 23 17:23:18 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:23:18 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting In-Reply-To: References: <20110623175232.GD2508@linuxmafia.com> <20110623223106.GO2508@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110624002318.GS2508@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Grant Bowman (grantbow at ubuntu.com): > Free as in beer can be at odds with available free time. Concern about theoretical confused novices' time being chewed up is very endearing, sort of. However, did you ever wonder what the person _helping_ others for free gets out of it? I've found that the value of my own time, as someone who assists the community, is maximised by favouring querents who show at least very modest initative. They're the ones who not only benefit without endless and recurring handholding, but also are most inclined to continue the cycle by coming back and giving other real help. Thus, much more long-term benefit, much better building of collective knowledge, and much less frustration on all sides. While I'm sympathetic with folks unwilling to spend a few minutes visiting Web sites to decide which of several excellent novice tutorials they like best, doing extra work for them is just not a priority. From jim at well.com Thu Jun 23 17:27:11 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:27:11 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting In-Reply-To: References: <20110623175232.GD2508@linuxmafia.com> <20110623223106.GO2508@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1308875231.1681.17.camel@jim-LAPTOP> If the beginners are in the SF area, maybe they should take my intro to BASH shell scripting class (it's the tutorial plus some maniac alternately apologizing and correcting and ranting, but it is personal attention and the class is well-tested, about 16 hours and most attendees were happily writing shell scripts. On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 16:55 -0700, Grant Bowman wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > ... available freely on the Web... > > Free as in beer can be at odds with available free time. > > Too few choices is a problem but so is too many choices when just > getting started. I acknowledge, appreciate and respect your decades > of attention documenting the feast of choices for people to take after > they have enough information to fully acknowledge, appreciate and > respect your work on this and many other issues. > > Grant > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From jim at systemateka.com Fri Jun 24 11:53:33 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:53:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] re C programming Message-ID: <1308941613.1736.12.camel@jim-LAPTOP> There's a claim ("polemic") that the C programming language is "the punk rock of programming languages", according to Paul, who showed up at the sf-lug meeting last Monday night. http://pragprog.com/magazines/2011-03/punk-rock-languages Right after saying that, discussion turned to the praises of HTML 1.0. From mhigashi at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 17:55:08 2011 From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:55:08 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting In-Reply-To: <20110623223106.GO2508@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110623175232.GD2508@linuxmafia.com> <20110623223106.GO2508@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > Maybe there's not a single bash tutorial that's best for everyone. bash is pretty powerful. There were times in the past when I was asked if something could be done with bash, and I said no, only to find out much later that I was wrong. You don't really know if bash is capable of something until you get an itch to scratch, and really look deeply into whether bash can cure that itch. For a tutorial, everybody who has a specific interest will want to learn different things, so once you get past the bare beginnings their needs will diverge. There are some things that ought to be taught to all beginners, in the area of good scripting practices, sanity checks, and like. Does the script test to see if a directory exists before it tries to copy a file into it? Did the copy succeed, or fail? To err is human, but to really screw things up takes a computer (or this case, a poorly written script that blindly executes without testing if it's doing the right thing.) BTW, some stupid bash tricks that I've done: * mass rename of a large number of improperly named files, for example from foo1.bar to foo1.baz (this can be done in a single command, not a loop, if you know how to use bash's substring syntax) * when copying a large number of files into a directory, read the last character of the filename and copy into a subdirectory based on that letter (to prevent filesystem slowdown from too many entries in one directory) * the same as above, but go two letters deep instead of just one * perform a pseudo-random copy of graphics files into some new user account webpages ...and more stuff like that. Mike From alchaiken at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 12:34:41 2011 From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:34:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Learning Bourne Scripting Message-ID: I'm a fan of Dave Taylor's shell scripting column in _Linux Journal_ and his related book _Wicked Cool Shell Scripts_. Many of his columns should be on-line. I mostly learned how to use bash by reading "man bash." bash has a particularly useful man page. I'd recommend "man sed" and "man awk" too while you're at it. BTW, John Mashey, who wrote the first Unix shell, lives locally and is often at Computer History Museum events. It's inspiring to walk among such people every day here in the Valley. -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ The addictive drug of abuse from which children need to be protected is neither marijuana nor alcohol but refined sugar. From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Sun Jun 26 15:35:47 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:35:47 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] checking membership Message-ID: <4E07B443.9000007@dslextreme.com> Been having some trouble with my posts to the SF-LUG mailing list so ... If you see this on the list let me know Jim. later Bobbie Sellers From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 15:46:57 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:46:57 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] checking membership In-Reply-To: <4E07B443.9000007@dslextreme.com> References: <4E07B443.9000007@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <4E07B6E1.6000001@gmail.com> i'm not jim but i see it On 06/26/2011 03:35 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > Been having some trouble with my > posts to the SF-LUG mailing list so > ... If you see this on the list let me > know Jim. > > later > Bobbie Sellers > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 15:49:48 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:49:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] free Openmoko components Message-ID: <4E07B78C.5050703@gmail.com> I used to work for Openmoko, and while moving my workshop I found a handful of assorted modules from the Openmoko Freerunner, GTA01, including touchscreen, main board (which includes phone and GPRs modem, as well as CPU etc.), and GPS module. This was all open sourced so drivers, schematics, etc. should all be available somewhere. I have a bunch of spare batteries as well. pick up from me at cca in san francisco next week monday, wednesday, or thursday or else come to my new workshop on treasure island or else coordinate some other meeting -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Mon Jun 27 14:33:47 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:33:47 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday July 3, 2011 SF-LUG meeting Message-ID: <4E08F73B.7080502@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG meets on the First Sunday from 11 AM to 1 PM at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue. All meeting times are nominal. Bring your problems and if no one in attendance can solve a problem we know where to find more help. Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. (415) 251-9136 If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA =============== On Monday 20 June 2011 the last SF LUG meeting was held at the Cafe Enchante. I personally was late and only brought the latest magazines and some book marks and got there about 6:30 PM Grant Bowman and Jim Stockwell were there already and Jim was trying to reactivate the SF-LUG.org site. Grant told me he had seen only the meeting notice. Paul, a new visitor came by, then Jeff. Looks like Grant may have connection to a new business accounting project. Information was exchanged. Paul is the person who believe C is the punk programming language and that HTML 1.0 was the best. I meant to ask him which giant robot was portrayed on his sweatshirt. At 8 P.M. Jim decamped as his current employment came with deadlines and he gave me a ride home. =============== I tried to post some urls with Linux news etc. but I don't know if they made it to the list. later Bobbie Sellers From pi at berkeley.edu Mon Jun 27 16:51:47 2011 From: pi at berkeley.edu (Paul Ivanov) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:51:47 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday July 3, 2011 SF-LUG meeting In-Reply-To: <4E08F73B.7080502@dslextreme.com> References: <4E08F73B.7080502@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20110627235147.GH28141@ykcyc> Bobbie Sellers, on 2011-06-27 14:33, wrote: > Paul is the person who believe C is the punk programming > language and that HTML 1.0 was the best. I meant to ask him > which giant robot was portrayed on his sweatshirt. Hi Bobbie and everyone else, it was very nice getting to chat with you last week. If the shirt I was wearing was blue, it was likely the mecha[1] version of the statue of liberty designed for the EFF and dubbed "Liberty Mecha" [2]. If it was a black shirt, it was a Vitruvian robot schematic that was from the 2001 Botball competition at NASA Ames [3]. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecha 2. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/02/new-liberty-mecha-t-shirts-and-posters 3. http://www.botball.org/ best, -- Paul Ivanov http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From testcore at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 11:52:29 2011 From: testcore at gmail.com (Alex Stahl) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:52:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Using gamepads on linux? Message-ID: Hi Folks - I've been getting more into FOSS games lately (there's tons of good stuff out there if you're into video games!) and am now looking to pick up a gamepad. 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If you want the best gamepad available your best bet is a PC version of the Xbox360 gamepad in either wired or wireless for about $50. Linux drivers are available and most newer platform style games are configured with it in mind. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Using gamepads on linux? (Alex Stahl) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:52:29 -0700 > From: Alex Stahl > To: sf-lug > Subject: [sf-lug] Using gamepads on linux? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Folks - I've been getting more into FOSS games lately (there's tons of > good stuff out there if you're into video games!) and am now looking to > pick > up a gamepad. While these devices are usually USB-based and work just fine > as HID, I thought I'd check if anyone knows of any "gotcha's" before I > buy... anything I should know or read up on regarding USB-HID? Or any > experiences with them directly? Do they usually work pretty well? > > Thanks, > Alex > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20110630/319aa3aa/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 65, Issue 14 > ************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: