From jim at systemateka.com Sun Jan 2 09:22:48 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 09:22:48 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] meeting today 11 AM to 1 PM Message-ID: <1293988968.1737.191.camel@jim-laptop> hiya, i'll be late this morning, but i'll be there. i'm helping a member who's moving. i'll be able to give rides afterward to up to three folks who're going generally toward downtown or not too far off the beaten track. jim From wellmanron at gmail.com Sun Jan 2 19:31:27 2011 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:31:27 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] todays meeting at enchanted cafe Message-ID: let's see, I came in at 10, bobbie came at 11 and jim came at 12. I had a very productive morning with Jeff. Bobbie and Alex. We wiped the TP and installed Ubuntu, and tweaked the Ubuntu installation on the Zareason laptop. I say tweaked because we did work arounds and did not really fix the problems. I will be working on this later. I have now freed up my three old Dell Latitude laptopsnthat have worked faithfully for many years but are sloooow, one will become a server. I want to thank everyone who was there, it was nice to see you again. there were eight of us, and things were still going strong when I left at 1:30. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss at sfo.com Sun Jan 2 20:02:46 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:02:46 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01/02/2011 07:31 PM, ron wellman wrote: > let's see, I came in at 10, bobbie came at 11 and jim came at 12. > I had a very productive morning with Jeff. Bobbie and Alex. We wiped > the TP and installed Ubuntu, and tweaked the Ubuntu installation on > the Zareason laptop. I say tweaked because we did work arounds and did > not really fix the problems. I will be working on this later. I have > now freed up my three old Dell Latitude laptopsnthat have worked > faithfully for many years but are sloooow, one will become a server. I > want to thank everyone who was there, it was nice to see you again. > there were eight of us, and things were still going strong when I left > at 1:30. Thanks Ron. We had Jeff and Catherine(for the first time in two years) and some new people as well as Jim, Jim gave me a ride home a bit after 1 PM and took Catherine to see Noisebridge. More computers on hand than most Sunday meetings lately. I had my own problems in the last couple of days. I tried to carve a partition out of Windows but ended up destroying Windows on my machine. It took me from Noon to 3 PM on Saturday to figure that out. Then I tried an install of Kubunto to my new and empty partition but it failed to be able to access my home directory. I had to give up after an hour or so and tried to fix the Mandriva that was there to boot. I got to boot but my /home was still inaccessible and ended up doing a whole re-install of Mandriva then was down-loading update that took me to Mandriva 2010.2. In the process it wiped out my good nVidia driver and my printer configuration. And I still could not access my /home. As a matter of fact I was up until 3 AM Sunday morning working on that problem which related it seems to the Distro makers deciding to change the users to new numbered groups and where as I had been bliss with a group of 500 which was the group that the /home directory belonged to. It had changed my group number to 1000. I had to delete my old user bliss with that group and create a new user bliss with the group 500. After I got back here today I worked on catching up with my e-mail and the like. Then I got the printer drivers re-installed and working. Now I will have to leave the nVidia to tomorrow because I am already sick of rooting around the tree and will have to wait until I finish the errands tomorrow to correct this final problem. later bliss From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 00:36:01 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:36:01 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110103083601.GQ30803@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > I had my own problems in the last couple of days. I tried to > carve a partition out of Windows but ended > up destroying Windows on my machine. It took me from Noon to 3 PM > on Saturday to figure that out. Bummer. > Then I tried an install of Kubunto to my new and empty partition but > it failed to be able to access my home directory. I'm guessing that your 'home directory' is on a separate filesystem? Sad to say, there are good reasons why you should not try to share a /home filesystem between multiple different Linux distributions (/Unixes). In practice, it causes more problems than it solves. One noatble problem is version skew in the dotfile directories. If you use GNOME, for example, you have ~/.gnome2, .gconf2, and a bunch of other subdirectory trees within your home directory where GNOME's internal record-keeping is stored. The problem is created because GNOME _usually_ (but not always) tries to preserve forward-compatibility within its dotfile directories, but doesn't even aspire to making those directories backwards compatible. Therefore, any time distro A has even a modestly different GNOME version from what distro B provides, one of the distros is going to write dotfile contents likely to cause the other distro's software to fail (segfault, etc.). And that's just GNOME. That aside, I cannot tell what 'failed to be able to access' means in current context. Perhaps you mean 'cannot mount'? You might have ended up trying to unknowingly violate some of the built-in rules of how partition tables work. In my experience, the more people mess around with multibooting, the more likely they are to run afoul of those built-in rules because they are unable to Keep It Simple. I keep advising newcomers to Linux to go easy on the clever partitioning tricks and multibooting, and they seem to ignore that advice to their regret. Just a thought. > In the process it wiped out my good nVidia driver and my printer > configuration. Suggestion: Now is the time to start the process of making safety copies of things you rely on. For example, if (as I would guess) you were relying on a particular release of the proprietary Nvidia video driver set, and on a particular /etc/x11/xorg.conf file you created to use it, there's no reason whatsoever why you shouldn't have had safety copies of both of those, in one or more place unlikely to see damage, for safekeeping. Here is my scheme for backup and restore of my linuxmafia.com server. Note that I've carefully identified which files and directories actually matter, i.e., those I would miss and are worth making safety copies of: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Admin/linuxmafia.com-backup.html > As a matter of fact I was up until 3 AM Sunday morning working on that > problem which related it seems to the Distro makers deciding to change > the users to new numbered groups and where as I had been bliss with a > group of 500 which was the group that the /home directory belonged > to. It had changed my group number to 1000. I had to delete my old > user bliss with that group and create a new user bliss with the group > 500. No, you really didn't. If you just use the chown/chgrp commands, you can fix UID and GID changes really easily. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 09:58:12 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:58:12 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe Message-ID: <20110103175812.GZ28390@linuxmafia.com> Forwarding back to the public discussion. ----- Forwarded message from Bobbie Sellers ----- Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:29:11 -0800 From: Bobbie Sellers To: Rick Moen Subject: Re: [sf-lug] todays meeting at enchanted cafe Reply-To: bliss at sfo.com Organization: none On 01/03/2011 12:36 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > If you just use the chown/chgrp commands, you can fix UID and GID > changes really easily. I have problems with the grammar of the commands. In other words I don't get it. I prefer to work through the gui tools because though I may have to go around the barn to get the job done, the job gets done, And it may be that most people use their computers in ways at right angles to the way you use computers, Vital files and data for you may be something completely different. I will try to look at your intformation later but with the bad video driver even typing this little note is torment(due to slow response in several ways). later Bobbie ----- End forwarded message ----- From jim at well.com Mon Jan 3 10:16:11 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:16:11 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <20110103083601.GQ30803@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103083601.GQ30803@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1294078571.1737.199.camel@jim-laptop> i believe part of the problem is that earlier releases of a distro set the default admin user to have a UID of 500 and later releases set it to 1000. bobby can correct me. On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 00:36 -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > > > I had my own problems in the last couple of days. I tried to > > carve a partition out of Windows but ended > > up destroying Windows on my machine. It took me from Noon to 3 PM > > on Saturday to figure that out. > > Bummer. > > > Then I tried an install of Kubunto to my new and empty partition but > > it failed to be able to access my home directory. > > I'm guessing that your 'home directory' is on a separate filesystem? > > Sad to say, there are good reasons why you should not try to share a > /home filesystem between multiple different Linux distributions > (/Unixes). In practice, it causes more problems than it solves. One > noatble problem is version skew in the dotfile directories. If you use > GNOME, for example, you have ~/.gnome2, .gconf2, and a bunch of other > subdirectory trees within your home directory where GNOME's > internal record-keeping is stored. The problem is created because GNOME > _usually_ (but not always) tries to preserve forward-compatibility > within its dotfile directories, but doesn't even aspire to making those > directories backwards compatible. Therefore, any time distro A has even > a modestly different GNOME version from what distro B provides, one of > the distros is going to write dotfile contents likely to cause the other > distro's software to fail (segfault, etc.). And that's just GNOME. > > That aside, I cannot tell what 'failed to be able to access' means in > current context. Perhaps you mean 'cannot mount'? > > You might have ended up trying to unknowingly violate some of the > built-in rules of how partition tables work. In my experience, the more > people mess around with multibooting, the more likely they are to run > afoul of those built-in rules because they are unable to Keep It Simple. > > I keep advising newcomers to Linux to go easy on the clever partitioning > tricks and multibooting, and they seem to ignore that advice to their > regret. Just a thought. > > > > In the process it wiped out my good nVidia driver and my printer > > configuration. > > Suggestion: Now is the time to start the process of making safety > copies of things you rely on. For example, if (as I would guess) you > were relying on a particular release of the proprietary Nvidia video > driver set, and on a particular /etc/x11/xorg.conf file you created to > use it, there's no reason whatsoever why you shouldn't have had safety > copies of both of those, in one or more place unlikely to see damage, > for safekeeping. > > Here is my scheme for backup and restore of my linuxmafia.com server. > Note that I've carefully identified which files and directories actually > matter, i.e., those I would miss and are worth making safety copies of: > http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Admin/linuxmafia.com-backup.html > > > > As a matter of fact I was up until 3 AM Sunday morning working on that > > problem which related it seems to the Distro makers deciding to change > > the users to new numbered groups and where as I had been bliss with a > > group of 500 which was the group that the /home directory belonged > > to. It had changed my group number to 1000. I had to delete my old > > user bliss with that group and create a new user bliss with the group > > 500. > > No, you really didn't. > > If you just use the chown/chgrp commands, you can fix UID and GID > changes really easily. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From jim at systemateka.com Mon Jan 3 10:44:40 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:44:40 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <20110103175812.GZ28390@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103175812.GZ28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1294080280.1737.226.camel@jim-laptop> as to the grammar of commands, here's an attempt at a brief summary. in a terminal window one sees a prompt to indicate the presence of a command line. it's helpful to ask the question "what software is working now?" in the case of the command line, it's a shell, the bash shell in most cases. all command line shells work in the same way. the first thing you type must be a command. if you type abc or some other non-command-name, the shell will try to find it and finally report that it can't. think of the command as a verb. as to the shell's interpretation, after the first thing you type (after the first space character), the shell treats the remainder of the command line as a set of things to pass to the command. there are some terms that are helpful: * the command itself is the "head" of the command line. * any other stuff on the command line is the "tail". * space characters separate the things on the command line. * every distinct thing on the command line is a "parameter". * the command is parameter 0; the other parameters are sequentially numbered, 1, 2, 3.... * all parameters numbered 1 and greater are called "arguments". the shell interprets your command line in the following way. it first looks for any special characters such as $ or " or ' or * or some such. if it finds any special characters, it follows its rules for that special character and change what you typed according to its rules for that character. you can investigate this by using the echo command. for example, $ echo * $ echo $SHELL /bin/bash $ echo "$SHELL *" /bin/bash $ echo '$SHELL *' $SHELL * $ after the shell makes any changes to what you've typed on the command line, it tells the kernel to load the command into memory and then passes the command line tail to the command. for example, in the case of $ echo $SHELL * the shell changes the $SHELL to /bin/bash and then appends the names of all files listed in the current directory, in other words, alters the tail of the command line according to its rules for the $ character and the * character, and then loads the echo program into memory and passes the altered tail to the echo program. the echo program does its thing, which is simply to show the command line tail it received to the display (on a line just below the command you typed). generally, a command either presents a report about things or it changes things without making a report. for example, the ls command shows names that are listed in a directory; the cp command makes a copy of a file without giving any indication of its work (unless you've made an error in typing the command, in which case the cp command displays an error report rather than doing something. most commands are designed to look for options, and each command has its own set of options. for commands that issue reports, typing the command by itself tells the command to issue a default report. to see possible options, type --help $ ls --help for commands that change things, type the command with no arguments and the command will usually present what it needs for its arguments (some commands will present a default report). $ cp $ mount remember that each command has its own options, generally written as a hyphen followed by some character. here are a few options for the ls command: $ ls -lat which could as wlll be written $ ls -tla generally, the grammar for using commands is verb adverb noun(s), for example $ ls -atl /home $ ls -tal /home /bin /lib $ cp this that $ cp -R this that On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 09:58 -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Forwarding back to the public discussion. > > ----- Forwarded message from Bobbie Sellers ----- > > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:29:11 -0800 > From: Bobbie Sellers > To: Rick Moen > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] todays meeting at enchanted cafe > Reply-To: bliss at sfo.com > Organization: none > > On 01/03/2011 12:36 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > > > If you just use the chown/chgrp commands, you can fix UID and GID > > changes really easily. > I have problems with the grammar of the commands. > In other words I don't get it. I prefer to work through the gui > tools because > though I may have to go around the barn to get the job done, the job > gets done, > > And it may be that most people use their computers in ways at > right angles > to the way you use computers, Vital files and data for you may be something > completely different. I will try to look at your intformation later > but with > the bad video driver even typing this little note is torment(due to > slow response > in several ways). > > later > Bobbie > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From einfeldt at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 12:37:47 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:37:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Grub 1 loading stage read error Message-ID: hi, A teacher called me today saying that when she tries to boot up her Ubuntu 10.04, she gets an error that reads "Grub 1 loading stage read error" Googling, I don't see a lot about handling this problem. I am going to go over there and try to get it to boot, and if it can't boot, I will try to use a LiveCD to get it to boot. Any other suggestions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 13:21:26 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:21:26 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Grub 1 loading stage read error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110103212126.GX30803@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com): > A teacher called me today saying that when she tries to boot up her Ubuntu > 10.04, she gets an error that reads > > "Grub 1 loading stage read error" > > Googling, I don't see a lot about handling this problem. Some days, the Linuxmafia.com Knowledgebase is your friend. Let's give it a try. http://linuxmafia.com/kb/ has a 'Kernel' category, which goes to http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Kernel . There are a couple of 'Grub Tutorial' links, there. The second of them is described as GRUB Tutorial - Extensive tutorial for original GRUB Let's try that. Link goes to: http://dedoimedo.com/computers/grub.html Skipping down a bit: GRUB works in stages. Stage 1 is located in the MBR and mainly points to Stage 2, since the MBR is too small to contain all of the needed data. So, there you go. Maybe GRUB was installed so that the 'stage 1' handler code was in the MBR, and subsequently someone did a re-install of MS-Windows, in which Microsoft arrogates to itself the right to blithely overwrite the MBR without bothering to check with the user. Anyhow, the remainder of that page says quite a bit more, including some suggestions for recovery after something has clobbered the boot chain. From jim at well.com Mon Jan 3 13:46:34 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:46:34 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Grub 1 loading stage read error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1294091194.1766.14.camel@jim-laptop> briefly, the process is that BIOS does its thing and then begins the boot procedure: read the Master Boot Record and load the little bit of boot code that's in the MBR. that little bit of code simply does what's needed to start loading a file that is the first stage of the boot loading process. the code in the first stage finds the second stage, loads that, and the second stage presents the grub menu or whatever grub is configured to do. seems one of two problems: * the code in the MBR is horked * the file that has the first stage of code has been moved or deleted or horked. On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 12:37 -0800, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi, > > > A teacher called me today saying that when she tries to boot up her > Ubuntu 10.04, she gets an error that reads > > > "Grub 1 loading stage read error" > > > Googling, I don't see a lot about handling this problem. I am going > to go over there and try to get it to boot, and if it can't boot, I > will try to use a LiveCD to get it to boot. Any other suggestions? > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 13:56:11 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:56:11 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <1294078571.1737.199.camel@jim-laptop> References: <20110103083601.GQ30803@linuxmafia.com> <1294078571.1737.199.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <20110103215611.GA28390@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at well.com): > > i believe part of the problem is that earlier > releases of a distro set the default admin user > to have a UID of 500 and later releases set it > to 1000. More than likely so. However, _why_ the distro changed its policy and the specific UID changed to is really baside the point. The point is, it's really easy to fix. $ sudo bash # chown -R bliss /home/bliss The '-R' is for 'recursive'. If the group number is also changed, the fix is similar. I don't remember offhand what groups scheme Ubuntu uses. If there are per-user groups as with most Unixes, then you can fix both the group and user ownerships with one command at the same time: # chown -R bliss:bliss /home/bliss From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 14:35:26 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:35:26 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <20110103175812.GZ28390@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103175812.GZ28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110103223526.GB30803@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > Quoting Rick Moen (rick at linuxmafia.com): > > > If you just use the chown/chgrp commands, you can fix UID and GID > > changes really easily. > > I have problems with the grammar of the commands. In other words I > don't get it. I prefer to work through the gui tools because though I > may have to go around the barn to get the job done, the job gets done, What tools you use is entirely up to you, of course. Use what works for you. When you say 'the GUI tool', you are exposing part of your problem: 1. There is no one set of 'the GUI tools'. You didn't bother to mention which set of such tools you have in mind, but, no matter which one it is, I can pretty much guarantee that a large fraction of the Linux users you're talking to won't have them installed and doesn't use them. Also, I've noticed that users who speak as you do, most often, don't even know the correct name of the 'GUI tool' they are trying to talk about, and don't know how to determine the name of a running process, and therefore cannot look it up. So, even if I wanted to install the 'GUI tool' of your choice in order to tell you exactly what to do, using it, the fact that you don't (and probably can't) tell me its real name is a serious obstacle. 2. By contrast, basic tools like chmod/chgrp have a number of advantages to people who are attempting to give you help: a) They are universally available. b) Unlike essentially all 'GUI tools', they do not suppress diagnostic output (that might be crucial data). c) They are reliable, deterministic in their behaviour, and not rendered brittle by huge complex dependency trees. d) I can tell you verbatim commands to copy and paste to your shell console, and ask you to please copy and paste back the verbatim resulting output, and, _if_ you comply with that request, I can rest assured that I am hearing back from you precisely what happened, i.e., the raw data, and not your _interpretation_ of events (e.g., 'it failed to be able to access my home directory'). The tendency of novice users to post their _interpretations_ rather than raw diagnostic data is one of the biggest sources of wasted time in these situations, in my experience. So, you're perfectly welcome to insist on accepting help only from people who don't expect you to do bash shell command operations. However, I can tell you from very long experience that you'll thereby get a great deal less help, and a great deal less-effective help, in part because pretty much all of your would-be helpers who've been around the block a time or two have learned to be wary of wasting time catering to 'I prefer to work through the GUI tools' people's likes and dislikes. Basically if 'Open a shell console, paste this command to it, sudo bash && chown bliss:bliss /home/bliss && ls -l /home/bliss and paste back into a response posting the resulting output' is too much trouble or too traumatic for you, then there are plenty of other people I can help, where I have better expectation of the user succeeding, and better expectation of rendering long-term help to public knowledge. Speaking of public knowledge, I wrote: Forwarding back to the public discussion. This is something I've spoken of before, for quite a few years in a row, with no obvious improvement to your habits. Others may feel differently, but I post here publicly in order to benefit the Linux community and to repay the debt of gratitude I owe to those who helped me learn. That's a public process for good reasons -- so that many people, not just you, can benefit from the asking and answering. Please respect the public process by continuing public threads in public. In rare cases where you have some reason for wanting a private side discussion, you should explain why, rather than just going off into private without explanation -- which unfortunately looks a lot like wandering off into private Linux consulting without offering to pay for it. Also, I wrote: That aside, I cannot tell what 'failed to be able to access' means in current context. Perhaps you mean 'cannot mount'? That was intended as a polite way of inviting you to explain what you meant (without coming across as interrogating you). It'd be nice to help you with the cited problem, that you apparently encountered with both your new Kubuntu and new Mandriva installations, but it's difficult if you are not specific. If I might make a suggestion: Many newcomers to Linux find it convenient to keep a notebook, in either a composition book or a legal pad (etc.) of things they do and problems they encounter. Among the many benefits is that, when you run into problems, you will better be able to be specific about what you did, and about what then happened. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 15:14:59 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:14:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe Message-ID: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> As usual, Bobbie ignored where I said 'Please respect the public process by continuing public threads in public'. Accordingly, I am (again) manually forwarding back to the public thread from Bobbie's (again) unexplainedly offlist private mail. ----- Forwarded message from Bobbie Sellers ----- Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:53:26 -0800 From: Bobbie Sellers To: Rick Moen Subject: Re: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe Reply-To: bliss at sfo.com Organization: none I will get back to you later about the details but I run Mandriva and use Mandriva's MCC tool accessible from the main menu as "Configure Your Computer". I will write nothing more here until I have fixed the driver problem. bliss ----- End forwarded message ----- From eric at ericwalstad.com Mon Jan 3 15:26:47 2011 From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:26:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Grub 1 loading stage read error In-Reply-To: <20110103212126.GX30803@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103212126.GX30803@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com): > >> A teacher called me today saying that when she tries to boot up her Ubuntu >> 10.04 ... >> "Grub 1 loading stage read error" This error message seems to indicate Grub 1 (grub-legacy) but I believe Ubuntu 10.04 gets grub2 by default. I recommend you confirm which grub is actually installed before making any system changes. ... > Let's try that. ?Link goes to: > http://dedoimedo.com/computers/grub.html If you are working with grub2, that page includes a link to grub2 instructions. I've had to fix grub2 on a couple of Ubuntu systems and found these steps (boot livecd, mount select partitions, chroot, install grub to the device) to be simple and effective: # Make note of your partitions sudo fdisk -l # Note: on my 2-disk, dual-boot, system Windows is installed on /dev/sda and linux is installed on /dev/sdb # Mount the Linux partition sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys sudo chroot /mnt # Edit grub file to taste vi /etc/default/grub update-grub # Install grub2 on the Windows partition grub-install /dev/sda # (try grub-install --recheck /dev/sda if it fails) # Ctrl+D (to exit out of chroot) sudo umount /mnt/dev sudo umount /mnt/proc sudo umount /mnt/sys sudo umount /mnt sudo reboot Good luck, Eric. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 15:27:21 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:27:21 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110103232720.GE30803@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > I will get back to you later about the details but I run Mandriva > and use Mandriva's MCC tool accessible from the main menu as "Configure > Your Computer". This description is pretty much useless to anyone but you or possibly someone running exactly the same configuration you are, with the exact same Linux distribution -- even if you had bothered to elaborate that the 'MCC tool' you mean is Mandrake Control Center (process name 'mcc'). I believe you just illustrated my recent point about your phrase 'the GUI tools'. Even if I wanted to bust my butt replicating your exact graphical toolset on the Debian box in front of me -- which I most certainly do not -- it would not be practical (or, at worst, would be a whole lot of work). And for what? It would doubtless be a bloated, dependency-ridden GTK/gnomelibs front-end to standard Linux tools, suppressing essentially all diagnostic output, whose operation nobody can even discuss with you in a 'just paste these commands to its interface and paste back to this mailing list the command output' sense. You would be vaguely describing your GUI operations, and then posting back your _interpretations_ of the results. Bottom line would be frustration for everyone. Which is why you'll find that _knowledgeable_ helpers overwhelmingly will suggest you use standard tools and paste back the results, instead. Anyway, you should not get back to _me_, but rather to the mailing list. This is not free-of-charge private consulting. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 15:31:15 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:31:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Grub 1 loading stage read error In-Reply-To: References: <20110103212126.GX30803@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110103233115.GF30803@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Eric Walstad (eric at ericwalstad.com): > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com): > > > >> A teacher called me today saying that when she tries to boot up her Ubuntu > >> 10.04 > ... > >> "Grub 1 loading stage read error" > This error message seems to indicate Grub 1 (grub-legacy) but I > believe Ubuntu 10.04 gets grub2 by default. In the case of the error mentioned, this is a distinction without a difference: As mentioned, it's stage1 in the MBR that's failing, and the likely causes and remedies are pretty much the same in any GRUB iteration. > > http://dedoimedo.com/computers/grub.html > If you are working with grub2, that page includes a link to grub2 instructions. Which don't materially differ concerning the problem described. From bliss at sfo.com Mon Jan 3 19:07:10 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:07:10 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On 01/03/2011 03:14 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > As usual, Bobbie ignored where I said 'Please respect the public process > by continuing public threads in public'. Accordingly, I am (again) > manually forwarding back to the public thread from Bobbie's (again) > unexplainedly offlist private mail. > > Because reply-to-all is not a command supported in the message gui but requires going to a menu. This is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101213 Mandriva/3.0.11-0.1mdv2010.1 (2010.1) Thunderbird/3.0.11 > ----- Forwarded message from Bobbie Sellers ----- > > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:53:26 -0800 > From: Bobbie Sellers > To: Rick Moen > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe > Reply-To: bliss at sfo.com > Organization: none > > I will get back to you later about the details but I run Mandriva > and use Mandriva's MCC tool accessible from the main menu as "Configure > Your Computer". I will write nothing more here until I have fixed the > driver problem. > bliss > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > From bliss at sfo.com Mon Jan 3 19:16:15 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:16:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <20110103232720.GE30803@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> <20110103232720.GE30803@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On 01/03/2011 03:27 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > > >> I will get back to you later about the details but I run Mandriva >> and use Mandriva's MCC tool accessible from the main menu as "Configure >> Your Computer". >> > This description is pretty much useless to anyone but you or possibly > someone running exactly the same configuration you are, with the exact > same Linux distribution -- even if you had bothered to elaborate that > the 'MCC tool' you mean is Mandrake Control Center (process name 'mcc'). > > I believe you just illustrated my recent point about your phrase 'the > GUI tools'. > > Even if I wanted to bust my butt replicating your exact graphical > toolset on the Debian box in front of me -- which I most certainly do > not -- it would not be practical (or, at worst, would be a whole lot of > work). And for what? It would doubtless be a bloated, dependency-ridden > GTK/gnomelibs front-end to standard Linux tools, suppressing essentially > all diagnostic output, whose operation nobody can even discuss with you > in a 'just paste these commands to its interface and paste back to this > mailing list the command output' sense. You would be vaguely describing > your GUI operations, and then posting back your _interpretations_ of the > results. Bottom line would be frustration for everyone. > > Which is why you'll find that _knowledgeable_ helpers overwhelmingly > will suggest you use standard tools and paste back the results, instead. > > > Anyway, you should not get back to _me_, but rather to the mailing list. > This is not free-of-charge private consulting. > Please stop talking to me so that I can get on with what I understand doing however so poorly compared to your elite knowledge. It is hard to turn a 66 year old HS school education with some military schools into a computer expert when I didn't even get to seen one until the 1980s when I was far past the age when such knowledge comes easy. I did not expect your participation since the initial condition was the loss of a Microsoft OS on the dual-boot I formerly used. Good evening Bobbie Sellers From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 20:20:19 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:20:19 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: References: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110104042019.GD28390@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > Because reply-to-all is not a command supported in the message gui but > requires going to a menu. This is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; > en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101213 Mandriva/3.0.11-0.1mdv2010.1 > (2010.1) Thunderbird/3.0.11 Glad to be able to help: According to http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Keyboard+shortcuts, the Mozilla Thunderbird command shortcut you're looking for is Ctrl-Shift-R. From bliss at sfo.com Mon Jan 3 21:11:35 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:11:35 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <20110104042019.GD28390@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> <4D228EDE.9000604@sfo.com> <20110104042019.GD28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On 01/03/2011 08:20 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > > >> Because reply-to-all is not a command supported in the message gui but >> requires going to a menu. This is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; >> en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101213 Mandriva/3.0.11-0.1mdv2010.1 >> (2010.1) Thunderbird/3.0.11 >> > Glad to be able to help: According to > http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Keyboard+shortcuts, the > Mozilla Thunderbird command shortcut you're looking for is Ctrl-Shift-R. > > > Or I could follow the procedures that worked on the main toolbar and click on the Composition toolbar and then on Customize where upon a window full of icons opens and I managed to figure out how to drag 'reply to list' to the composition toolbar. Oh and the proper nVidia driver is still not installed but I managed a work-around so that I can bear to look at the screen as I work and the images on the screen don't jerk around as the mouse is moved between the top of the image and the bottom of the image. later bobbie From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 21:54:16 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:54:16 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: References: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> <20110103232720.GE30803@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110104055416.GE28390@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > Please stop talking to me so that I can get on with what I understand > doing however so poorly compared to your elite knowledge. Bobbie, apologies if the situation was unclear: Although few things make me happier than my direct correspondent getting effective help, I'm talking not just (or even primarily) to you, but rather to a public, archived mailing list, that is, to an entire community of people. I do that to benefit all current and future people with similar problems, either reading the mailing list now or finding information in the archives via Web search: You'd be amazed how often solutions turn up on LUG mailing lists -- because the problem person A had in 2011, person B may well have again in 2012. Anyway, if you don't, right now, have time to read mailing list traffic now, no problem. Just set aside message traffic temporarily. Catch up with it later, either via your waiting direct copies or via Mailman's cumulative Web archives, at your convenience. Meanwhile, the questions and answers can, with luck, add to the sum-total of what the community knows. And, by the way, the whole point of having this be public and explained thoroughly and in plain English is for it to be the polar _opposite_ from 'elite knowlege'. That's exactly what we're here for. > I did not expect your participation since the initial condition was > the loss of a Microsoft OS on the dual-boot I formerly used. That is actually a very typical problem that people have on dual-boot setups, and it is typical for the Linux community to provide solutions. In fact, you might be surprised to find out that the best public domumentation on such problems, and also on the problems of the Microsoft Corporation 'OS Loader' bootloader shipped with all versions of MS-Windows since NT, has been the Linux community. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 3 21:56:13 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:56:13 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: References: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> <4D228EDE.9000604@sfo.com> <20110104042019.GD28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110104055613.GM30803@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > Or I could follow the procedures that worked on the main toolbar and > click on the Composition toolbar and then on Customize where upon a > window full of icons opens and I managed to figure out how to drag > 'reply to list' to the composition toolbar. Cool. Glad that worked for you. From bliss at sfo.com Mon Jan 3 22:48:36 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:48:36 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <20110104055416.GE28390@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> <20110103232720.GE30803@linuxmafia.com> <4D2290FF.9010204@sfo.com> <20110104055416.GE28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On 01/03/2011 09:54 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > > >> Please stop talking to me so that I can get on with what I understand >> doing however so poorly compared to your elite knowledge. >> > Bobbie, apologies if the situation was unclear: Although few things > make me happier than my direct correspondent getting effective help, > I'm talking not just (or even primarily) to you, but rather to a public, > archived mailing list, that is, to an entire community of people. I do > that to benefit all current and future people with similar problems, > either reading the mailing list now or finding information in the > archives via Web search: You'd be amazed how often solutions turn up on > LUG mailing lists -- because the problem person A had in 2011, person B > may well have again in 2012. > That is why I read Usenet newsgroups and a couple of Linux magazines. The LUG is a welcome respite from my friends who cannot deal with computer outside of the smart phone context. > Anyway, if you don't, right now, have time to read mailing list traffic > now, no problem. Just set aside message traffic temporarily. Catch up > with it later, either via your waiting direct copies or via Mailman's > cumulative Web archives, at your convenience. Meanwhile, the questions > and answers can, with luck, add to the sum-total of what the community > knows. > The real problem was that the nvidia proprietary driver for my card is improperly installed and so my screen would move up and down by about a half an inch as I used the mouse. I managed to fix this before but I had no luck today. The workaround was to test the various offered resolutions and number of colors available and I found one that works. There may be another but I am not getting sea-sick looking at the screen as i work. > And, by the way, the whole point of having this be public and explained > thoroughly and in plain English is for it to be the polar _opposite_ > from 'elite knowlege'. That's exactly what we're here for. > Again that is why I use the newsgroups where the little I know helps a few. >> I did not expect your participation since the initial condition was >> the loss of a Microsoft OS on the dual-boot I formerly used. >> > That is actually a very typical problem that people have on dual-boot > setups, and it is typical for the Linux community to provide solutions. > In fact, you might be surprised to find out that the best public > domumentation on such problems, and also on the problems of the > Microsoft Corporation 'OS Loader' bootloader shipped with all versions > of MS-Windows since NT, has been the Linux community. > I am never surprised by the problems MS brings to the public in all its segments. However the problem was my fault entirely as i somehow mis-understood the warnings I was getting from the gui disk partitione. However it is barely a problem at all since I had planned to remove Windows Vista from my hard disk when the warranty on the notebook expired last July. If I decide I need it again I wills start watching Craig's List until someone is ready to part with a licensed Window 7 at a good price. Unfortunately the Vista restore DVDs I made are mislaid and I don't think I will be looking too hard for them. later bliss From bliss at sfo.com Mon Jan 3 22:51:47 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:51:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: todays meeting at enchanted cafe In-Reply-To: <20110104055613.GM30803@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110103231459.GC28390@linuxmafia.com> <4D228EDE.9000604@sfo.com> <20110104042019.GD28390@linuxmafia.com> <4D22AC07.8060500@sfo.com> <20110104055613.GM30803@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On 01/03/2011 09:56 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > > >> Or I could follow the procedures that worked on the main toolbar and >> click on the Composition toolbar and then on Customize where upon a >> window full of icons opens and I managed to figure out how to drag >> 'reply to list' to the composition toolbar. >> > Cool. Glad that worked for you. > Actually it did not work for me except for that one note. I put it on the Mail toolbar to get a more permanent result hopefully. Later bliss From nbs at sonic.net Tue Jan 4 15:45:10 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:45:10 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, January meetings: "LINUX IN SPAAAAAACE!" & "If Tux the Penguin offered you Kool-Aid, would you drink it?" Message-ID: <201101042345.p04NjAjV015321@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding two special meetings this month: ---------------------- SPECIAL BONUS MEETING: ---------------------- Tuesday January 11, 2011 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "LINUX IN SPAAAAAACE!" by: Nicole Carlson Linux, on satellites? Yes, at last! Learn why it hasn't been happening up until now, what's changed and changing, what the future holds, and how it impacts YOU. About the Speaker: Nicole Carlson, CISSP, has a Master's in Computer Science from UC Davis and used to be quite active in LUGOD before she graduated and got a job and moved away. --------------------------- REGULARLY-SCHEDULED MEETING --------------------------- Monday January 17, 2011 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "If Tux the Penguin offered you Kool-Aid, would you drink it?" Mark Terranova, GidgetKitchen.org "I already have, mmmm, the taste of Freedom." We have a caring nature in free and open source software (FOSS) communities, and this in turn can create some funny similarities with cults. Linux is like a cult, but a good cult. People should acknowledge that what we do is great AND unusual, and it would be great to get more folks to join us... About the Speaker: Mark Terranove is spokesperson at GidgetKitchen, a non-profit organization forming in the San Francisco Bay Area that encourages the use of modern technology, recycling & re-used electronics. Anniversary Celebration: This meeting also marks the Linux Users' Group of Davis's 12th anniversary. To celebrate, free food & drinks will be provided! ------------------------------ Location & Further Information ------------------------------ Both of these meetings will be held at: Explorit Nature Center 3141 5th Street Davis, California 95616 For more details on both of these meetings, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/upcoming/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/on.php ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Wed Jan 5 08:45:58 2011 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:45:58 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Felton LUG meeting 1/8 Message-ID: [This notice was sent to the LUGs in the Santa Cruz area and is being sent to SFLUG for the benefit of those on the mailing list who either live within driving distance from "over the hill" and/or have an interest in hearing Michael's presentation. Felton is 6 miles northeast of the city of Santa Cruz on Highway 9, and there is a link to a map provided below ] Hey, all -- Saturday marks the first Felton LUG meeting of 2011 and we're starting it off wth a bang. We have the a special guest speaker this month: Michael Paric of Computer Business Solutions, who will speak on Easy SMB Server Solutions Using the Zentyal Platform. The meeting, as usual, is at the Felton Fire Station, 131 Kirby (behind the Felton Community Center) on Saturday, Jan. 8 at 2 p.m. "Behind the Felton Community Center" is usually directions enough for Felton, but for those coming from other areas, here's a map: http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=37.051033,-122.073855&spn=0.011303,0.013154&z=16 Michael Paric is owner and CEO of Computer Business Solutions based in Benicia. With a degree in Industrial Design and continued training in computer technology he has been working with Linux and Open Source software since 2001, creating web applications and providing network consulting to small businesses. 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First, from 6-7PM: San Francisco Ubuntu Hour Location: The Roastery, 199 New Montgomery Street, San Francisco Details: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/612/detail/ Then, from 7-9PM: Bay Area Debian Meeting Location: Henry's Hunan Restaurant, 110 Natoma Street, San Francisco Details: http://bad.debian.net/list/2011-January/003389.html So come out to the Ubuntu Hour and join us for dinner at the Bay Area Debian Meeting! Or come early to the Bay Area Debian meeting and grab a coffee at the Ubuntu Hour! To find us at both events, look for the people in the Linux shirts (I'll be wearing an Ubuntu one) and the Squeeze and Wheezy stuffed toys. At Henry's Hunan we'll have reservations under "Bay Area Debian" Hope to see you there! -- Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 http://www.princessleia.com From mountainoceansky at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 14:24:22 2011 From: mountainoceansky at hotmail.com (Molly Bee) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:24:22 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All! I am currently a Windows Luser, because, well, see what happened was, I was boughted this new netbook? And it's running some horrid Windows 7 Starter kit? And it makes me taste blood every time I use it, probably from chewing angrily on my own tongue. So, I would like to change my OS to some appropriate flavour of Ubuntu, which is where you friendly folks come in. Obviously, my new netbook (HP Mini 110-3100) is smaller than the typical newfangled lapdancer, with 1 GB of RAM, a 1.66 GHz Intel Atom processor, and 232.88 GB of storage space. I thought it was 250, but apparently woodland creatures crept in through my Windows and gobbled part of it? 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URL: From ashish.makani at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 15:05:19 2011 From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:05:19 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Molly, Very funny post...God knows lug mailing lists can use some humor, every now & then :) I am not, what you call an "expert", but more of an enthusiast. 1. The flavour of ubuntu,you need for a netbook, as you probably already know, is called ubuntu netbook remix. http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook 2. I would recommend dual boot, i.e. at startup, you choose, whether you want to boot into windows or ubuntu. Some useful links...would definitely help if you read these a. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1652358 b. http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p22.html step by step instructions c. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1622388 d. http://alexsantidote.com/ubuntu/install-ubuntu-904-netbook-remix-dual-boot/ I could help you some weekend, not sure if this weekend though, email me off list & we can try to figure out something Linux Rocks ! cheers ashish On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Molly Bee wrote: > Hi All! > > I am currently a Windows Luser, because, well, see what happened was, I was > boughted this new netbook? And it's running some horrid Windows 7 Starter > kit? And it makes me taste blood every time I use it, probably from chewing > angrily on my own tongue. > > So, I would like to change my OS to some appropriate flavour of Ubuntu, > which is where you friendly folks come in. Obviously, my new netbook (HP > Mini 110-3100) is smaller than the typical newfangled lapdancer, with 1 GB > of RAM, a 1.66 GHz Intel Atom processor, and 232.88 GB of storage space. I > thought it was 250, but apparently woodland creatures crept in through my > Windows and gobbled part of it? > > I've been researching on the Internetz and Ubuntu wubsites specifically, > and it looks pretty simple to download the install version of my choice to a > dingle-dangle USB device, and boot from that, but I wanted to ask an elite > and trusted group of Linux Users before I fracked with my shiny outa-the-box > machine. It's important to note the machine is blue-- this is a key selling > point, exactly what I want in a machine... blueness on the back of the > screen. Ahem. > > Also important to note, I am a recovering Luddite, and I would really > appreciate anyone holding my hand through this seemingly-simple, yet > daunting process of glitch-free OS-switchover. I can repay your kindness > with dehydrated huckleberries or black chanterelles or sommat like that. > > Hugs, > Molly > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -- Warm Regards ashish makani Cell : +1.765.237.8365 amakani at purdue.edu ashish.makani at gmail.com Graduate Student, Deptt. of ECE, Purdue University #329 Electrical Engineering Building , 465 Northwestern Ave., West Lafayette, IN 47907-2035 "We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about." -- Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Thu Jan 6 15:23:41 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:23:41 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1294356221.1837.26.camel@jim-laptop> a good thing to do is to get a "live CD" of some distribution and try it out on your netbook. a better thing to do is to research to find out if there are any problems with using linux on your netbook, and if so, are there any distributions that don't have problems. the good thing is soooo much easier than the better thing. come to a SF-LUG meeting: * every wednesday evening from 6 to 8 PM at noisebridge (in SF at 2169 mission street between 17th and 18th streets on the third floor, but you know that). * third monday of each month at the cafe enchante in sf on geary at 26th avenue (jim gives rides afterward--up to three people). * first sunday of each month at the cafe enchante in sf on geary at 26th avenue (jim gives rides afterward for this, too). get one or more of us to come to you or come to one or more of us to hold your hand, even bring you a live cd (there are usually live cds at noisebridge). come to noisebridge on tuesdays or fridays between 3 and 6 PM and join the linux sysadm study group and make some of them help you. you might wonder "which distribution?" ubuntu? fedora? debian? arch? mandriva? one of the many, many others? a good rule is to choose a distribution that's used by some people you know and hang out with (you can always hang out with us). On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 14:24 -0800, Molly Bee wrote: > Hi All! > > I am currently a Windows Luser, because, well, see what happened was, > I was boughted this new netbook? And it's running some horrid Windows > 7 Starter kit? And it makes me taste blood every time I use it, > probably from chewing angrily on my own tongue. > > So, I would like to change my OS to some appropriate flavour of > Ubuntu, which is where you friendly folks come in. Obviously, my new > netbook (HP Mini 110-3100) is smaller than the typical newfangled > lapdancer, with 1 GB of RAM, a 1.66 GHz Intel Atom processor, and > 232.88 GB of storage space. I thought it was 250, but apparently > woodland creatures crept in through my Windows and gobbled part of it? > > I've been researching on the Internetz and Ubuntu wubsites > specifically, and it looks pretty simple to download the install > version of my choice to a dingle-dangle USB device, and boot from > that, but I wanted to ask an elite and trusted group of Linux Users > before I fracked with my shiny outa-the-box machine. It's important to > note the machine is blue-- this is a key selling point, exactly what I > want in a machine... blueness on the back of the screen. Ahem. > > Also important to note, I am a recovering Luddite, and I would really > appreciate anyone holding my hand through this seemingly-simple, yet > daunting process of glitch-free OS-switchover. I can repay your > kindness with dehydrated huckleberries or black chanterelles or sommat > like that. > > Hugs, > Molly > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From mountainoceansky at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 16:10:31 2011 From: mountainoceansky at hotmail.com (Molly Bee) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:10:31 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: <1294356221.1837.26.camel@jim-laptop> References: , , <1294356221.1837.26.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: Re: Good Thing: "live CD" can be in the form of a "live dingle-dangle USB device"? Because netbooks generally don't have CD drives. Also, external CD drives in this neck of the woods are rare/ sketchy/ from the punkrock era. Re: Better Thing: Netbook Remix seems to adversely affect the mic on my model. Re: SF-LUG meetings: Sorry, no can do, jim. I live not in SF, but in the land that knows no cypherpunks... but where huckleberries and black chanterelles do grow. Mendocino to SanFrandiculous is an all-day affair, 'specially in the summer when it's mandatory to stop off at the local swimming hole... and then there're all those wineries you have to do taste-by procedures... gah, not to mention the fruit stand that pulls you over and forces you to purchase entire lugs of heirloom apple varieties. But you are welcome to come up and visit! We have an extra futon in the Shibby Shack, and we just built-out a ceramics studio adjacent... you could come for a holiday and P.S. bring a Live CD and while you're at it, being so kind and capable, you could oversee the rewiring of the electric kiln, maybe switch out some heat coils and kick the thermocoupler into shape. Re: Noisebridge Kickbacks: Yes please. Send me the shrubbery! P.O. Box 941, Mendocino, CA, 95460 Re: Which Distroteca?: I've used Ubuntu lots and lots. I ran Hardy Heron on my still-gasping linux box. I have, back when pterodactyls still cavorted, used Fedora Red Hat, and have had a brief foray into the land of the Debian culture. I'm not leet enough to withstand the darkness, and prompt-command is beyond my ken. Arch? Madriva? not familiar. Re: People Who Hang Out with Me: The hippies up here still cling to their 70's lifestyle out between the redwood trees. I help /them/ subscribe/ unsubscribe to a listserv, and, for gracious sakes, SIGN INTO THEIR EMAIL. A different technoculture. It's a wonder we use wifi, what with all the tin hatters quarreling about which frequency affects them more: Wi-Fi or the fracking Pigs, Greed, and Extortion Smart-Meters. Of slightly more technical help: the kitten and the dog. Re: Asheesh: is this PyClass Asheesh? Re: Lyz: PINK MUST BE VANQUISHED. Re: jim: CLONK! (full metal hugs) kaykaykaykaykay into the woods! Molly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jan 6 16:37:37 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:37:37 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110107003737.GC18274@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Molly Bee (mountainoceansky at hotmail.com): > HP Mini 110-3100 Intel Atom N475 CPU, SATA hard drive, Intel GMA 3150 video using 'shared' (stolen from main supply) memory. Northbridge chip: Intel NM10. Southbridge chip: Intel ICH8M. 1GB DDR2 RAM (and there's one user-accessible slot if you want to add more). Unstated wireless, bluetooth, and webcam chipsets. Wireless chip is probably something from Broadcom, if I had to guess -- but it could be Intel or Atheros, who knows? SD/MMC/MS card reader is based on Realtek rts5159 chip. No optical drive by default. (HP will sell you an external USB-connected DVD-RW drive, but there's no reason why it would need to be an HP.) HP ships it with MS-Windows 7 (with 'reduced-functionality versions of Word and Excel that include advertising'), with four primary partitions defined, taking up the entire drive: Label Type Size ----- ---- ---- 'C:' NTFS 217 GB 'HP_TOOLS' FAT32 0.1 GB 'RECOVERY (D:)' NTFS 16 GB 'SYSTEM' NTFS 0.2 GB This layout poses some significant obstacles for dual booting, because it's highly likely you won't want to lose what's in the in the HP_TOOLS, RECOVERY (D), or SYSTEM partitions, and standard partition tables max out at four primary partitions. The standard way to make room for native Linux partitions on such a system, _normally_, would be to delete one of the primary partitions and recreate it as an 'Extended' type, which is a sort-of container capable of being further subdivided into additional partitions, which further slicing-ups are then dubbed 'logical'-type partitions. But obviously you want to ensure that you don't lose what's on any partition you repurpose. (You could use, for example, the gparted non-destructive repartitioning tool provided with Ubuntu.) This page explains how to create a set of discs, or create stuff on a 16 GB USB flash drive, from the files on the RECOVERY (D:) partition. (The page also details how to purchase a preburned recovery disc from HP at nominal cost.) You presumably would then be free to repurpose the RECOVERY (D:) partition on the hard disk without losing anything. What's on the HP_TOOLS and SYSTEM partitions? Dunno; you should probably figure that out. But it shouldn't be very hard, anyway, to make safety copies of whatever's on them, so that (again) you are freed up to repartition as you prefer. But there are two alternative ways to avoid partitioning entirely. One is the one you referred to: Run Ubuntu (or Kubuntu, or whatever) as a 'live' system from a USB stick or from a CD or DVD disc. That's actually a typical tire-kicking measure to find out if you like a Linux-based system at all, though you'll need to be aware of the performance overhead from running Linux off slow media with big RAMdisks. The other method is a 'Wubi' installation, where Linux treats a file the installer creates inside one of the MS-Windows NTFS partition as if it _were_ a partition. This definitely works, but is kinda ugly at a technical level. ('Wubi' is the name of the special installer program that does this, I think.) Of the two, Wubi is better, I'd say (a good bit closer to native Linux). So, basically, you should contemplate whether you want to go with a Wubi install, or whether you want to do a real, genuine native Linux installation (for dual-boot). Going for a proper native solution would necessitate repartitioning -- and, because of the corner HP has painted you into with the four primary partitions, not just the 'Oh, just used gparted to make C: a bit smaller' repartitioning most Linux user groups (LUGs) are used to walking you through, either. You might want to do a Wubi installation for now, and then at a later date re-do your setup as fully native if you like Ubuntu. _Or_, if you really don't care about MS-Windows 7 and all the preloaded junk at all, then you can just blow away _all_ of the four partitions while installing Ubuntu, which makes things really simple and is of the 'Just do it and be happy' variety of solution. As you said, it's a pretty dirt-simple process, even if using a USB flash drive as your installation medium. Here's a link that covers it. (There are many others.) http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ The LUG that meets this Saturday at my house in Menlo Park, CABAL, can walk you through the process, and we already have the latest Ubuntu Netbook Remix release, 10.10 Maverick Meercat, burned to a CDR in our Linux distribution library. Details are here: http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/ Here's a page that details how to do a Wubi install of Ubuntu Netbook Remix without even an optical disc drive, and without even needing to have a flash drive. However, if you don't have an optical drive, this method _does_ require you to put the 'ISO' (raw image file) of Ubuntu Network Remix on your MS-Windows hard drive in the same folder as wubi.exe. CABAL can help you around all of those things (including lending you my USB-attachable CD/DVD/BluRay burner drive, during your visit). From einfeldt at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 08:17:06 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:17:06 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] CLS? Message-ID: Hi, Anyone going to CLS tomorrow who would have room in their car for one more? I would love to get a ride. Thanks either way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From einfeldt at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 10:22:42 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:22:42 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Nexus phone for sale? Message-ID: Hi, I am going to Germany from 1/19/11 through 2/5/11, and I would be interested in either renting or buying a Nexus phone while I am there. Does anyone on this list have one? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Fri Jan 7 10:39:36 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:39:36 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: , , <1294356221.1837.26.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1294425576.1728.5.camel@jim-laptop> the more recent a distribution, in general, the more likely it'll work with any particular computer (a matter of drivers being updated and added over time). so get Ubuntu 10.04, the Long Term Service edition or Ubuntu 10.10 (the most recent release) and try it out. if it works (be sure it really does work in all ways, get someone who's more savvy if you have doubts, even if they have to drive up from SF), then install it, probably as dual boot at first. On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 16:10 -0800, Molly Bee wrote: > > Re: Good Thing: "live CD" can be in the form of a "live dingle-dangle > USB device"? Because netbooks generally don't have CD drives. Also, > external CD drives in this neck of the woods are rare/ sketchy/ from > the punkrock era. > > Re: Better Thing: Netbook Remix seems to adversely affect the mic on > my model. > > Re: SF-LUG meetings: Sorry, no can do, jim. I live not in SF, but in > the land that knows no cypherpunks... but where huckleberries and > black chanterelles do grow. Mendocino to SanFrandiculous is an all-day > affair, 'specially in the summer when it's mandatory to stop off at > the local swimming hole... and then there're all those wineries you > have to do taste-by procedures... gah, not to mention the fruit stand > that pulls you over and forces you to purchase entire lugs of heirloom > apple varieties. But you are welcome to come up and visit! We have an > extra futon in the Shibby Shack, and we just built-out a ceramics > studio adjacent... you could come for a holiday and P.S. bring a Live > CD and while you're at it, being so kind and capable, you could > oversee the rewiring of the electric kiln, maybe switch out some heat > coils and kick the thermocoupler into shape. > > Re: Noisebridge Kickbacks: Yes please. Send me the shrubbery! P.O. Box > 941, Mendocino, CA, 95460 > > Re: Which Distroteca?: I've used Ubuntu lots and lots. I ran Hardy > Heron on my still-gasping linux box. I have, back when pterodactyls > still cavorted, used Fedora Red Hat, and have had a brief foray into > the land of the Debian culture. I'm not leet enough to withstand the > darkness, and prompt-command is beyond my ken. Arch? Madriva? not > familiar. > > Re: People Who Hang Out with Me: The hippies up here still cling to > their 70's lifestyle out between the redwood trees. I help /them/ > subscribe/ unsubscribe to a listserv, and, for gracious sakes, SIGN > INTO THEIR EMAIL. A different technoculture. It's a wonder we use > wifi, what with all the tin hatters quarreling about which frequency > affects them more: Wi-Fi or the fracking Pigs, Greed, and Extortion > Smart-Meters. Of slightly more technical help: the kitten and the dog. > > Re: Asheesh: is this PyClass Asheesh? > > Re: Lyz: PINK MUST BE VANQUISHED. > > Re: jim: CLONK! (full metal hugs) > > kaykaykaykaykay into the woods! > Molly > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From mark at gidgetkitchen.org Fri Jan 7 10:58:00 2011 From: mark at gidgetkitchen.org (Mark Terranova) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:58:00 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] CLS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: CLS is the 15th Christian. http://clswest2011.eventbrite.com/ We still need a few more volunteers the sign up list is here; https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtBpBSQOLdKtdFRFMVp5LWJKaTZqVU01ZVkyang4VFE&hl=en&authkey=CI7Psq0C I am helping coordinate the dinner - Ryan Singer is handing lunch. Since I am responding to the ML I might as well include some local happenings. You can also see how Partimus.org is doing with their local school Linux labs (via Zareason.) There are six schools in Oakland and San Francisco that we work with. Consider donating your hardware to this worthy cause. I am the Community Manager for them BTW. http://zareason.posterous.com/ Jono Bacon (Community Manager- Ubuntu) has a show the weekend after on the 22nd at The Uptown 1928 Telegraph Ave Oakland 8:00pm - 11:30pm http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=120411244689238 Severed Fifth plays some loud heavy metal music- everyone interested should attend- it is only $10. We also plan on live streaming the show. If you would like to volunteer yourself, an additional camera, or a phone that can be tethered, please let me know. Fudcon occurs at the end of the month for any one interested in The Fedora Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Tempe_2011 If you can't make it to Tempe, I can tell you more about it in person. Feb is almost here - Scale is coming! http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/ ALL Hail Tux the Magnificent, -Mark On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone going to CLS tomorrow who would have room in their car for one more? > I would love to get a ride. Thanks either way. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Fri Jan 7 10:59:08 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:59:08 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: <20110107003737.GC18274@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110107003737.GC18274@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1294426748.1728.10.camel@jim-laptop> rick's _very_ generous infodump may be a little too much for some, but it's valuable and worth figuring out. if you want translation or hand- holding, ask. On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 16:37 -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Molly Bee (mountainoceansky at hotmail.com): > > > HP Mini 110-3100 > > Intel Atom N475 CPU, SATA hard drive, Intel GMA 3150 video using > 'shared' (stolen from main supply) memory. Northbridge chip: Intel > NM10. Southbridge chip: Intel ICH8M. 1GB DDR2 RAM (and there's one > user-accessible slot if you want to add more). Unstated wireless, > bluetooth, and webcam chipsets. Wireless chip is probably something > from Broadcom, if I had to guess -- but it could be Intel or Atheros, > who knows? SD/MMC/MS card reader is based on Realtek rts5159 chip. No > optical drive by default. (HP will sell you an external USB-connected > DVD-RW drive, but there's no reason why it would need to be an HP.) > > HP ships it with MS-Windows 7 (with 'reduced-functionality versions of > Word and Excel that include advertising'), with four primary partitions > defined, taking up the entire drive: > > Label Type Size > ----- ---- ---- > 'C:' NTFS 217 GB > 'HP_TOOLS' FAT32 0.1 GB > 'RECOVERY (D:)' NTFS 16 GB > 'SYSTEM' NTFS 0.2 GB > > This layout poses some significant obstacles for dual booting, because > it's highly likely you won't want to lose what's in the in the HP_TOOLS, > RECOVERY (D), or SYSTEM partitions, and standard partition tables max > out at four primary partitions. > > The standard way to make room for native Linux partitions on such a > system, _normally_, would be to delete one of the primary partitions > and recreate it as an 'Extended' type, which is a sort-of container > capable of being further subdivided into additional partitions, which > further slicing-ups are then dubbed 'logical'-type partitions. But > obviously you want to ensure that you don't lose what's on any partition > you repurpose. (You could use, for example, the gparted non-destructive > repartitioning tool provided with Ubuntu.) > > This page explains how to create a set of discs, or create stuff on a > 16 GB USB flash drive, from the files on the RECOVERY (D:) partition. > (The page also details how to purchase a preburned recovery disc from HP > at nominal cost.) You presumably would then be free to repurpose the > RECOVERY (D:) partition on the hard disk without losing anything. > > What's on the HP_TOOLS and SYSTEM partitions? Dunno; you should > probably figure that out. But it shouldn't be very hard, anyway, to > make safety copies of whatever's on them, so that (again) you are freed > up to repartition as you prefer. > > > But there are two alternative ways to avoid partitioning entirely. One > is the one you referred to: Run Ubuntu (or Kubuntu, or whatever) as a > 'live' system from a USB stick or from a CD or DVD disc. That's > actually a typical tire-kicking measure to find out if you like a > Linux-based system at all, though you'll need to be aware of the > performance overhead from running Linux off slow media with big > RAMdisks. > > The other method is a 'Wubi' installation, where Linux treats a file > the installer creates inside one of the MS-Windows NTFS partition as if > it _were_ a partition. This definitely works, but is kinda ugly at a > technical level. ('Wubi' is the name of the special installer program > that does this, I think.) > > Of the two, Wubi is better, I'd say (a good bit closer to native Linux). > > > So, basically, you should contemplate whether you want to go with a Wubi > install, or whether you want to do a real, genuine native Linux > installation (for dual-boot). Going for a proper native solution would > necessitate repartitioning -- and, because of the corner HP has painted > you into with the four primary partitions, not just the 'Oh, just used > gparted to make C: a bit smaller' repartitioning most Linux user groups > (LUGs) are used to walking you through, either. > > You might want to do a Wubi installation for now, and then at a later > date re-do your setup as fully native if you like Ubuntu. > > > _Or_, if you really don't care about MS-Windows 7 and all the preloaded > junk at all, then you can just blow away _all_ of the four partitions > while installing Ubuntu, which makes things really simple and is of the > 'Just do it and be happy' variety of solution. As you said, it's a > pretty dirt-simple process, even if using a USB flash drive as your > installation medium. Here's a link that covers it. (There are > many others.) > http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ > > > The LUG that meets this Saturday at my house in Menlo Park, CABAL, can > walk you through the process, and we already have the latest Ubuntu > Netbook Remix release, 10.10 Maverick Meercat, burned to a CDR in our > Linux distribution library. Details are here: > > http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/ > > Here's a page that details how to do a Wubi install of Ubuntu Netbook > Remix without even an optical disc drive, and without even needing to > have a flash drive. However, if you don't have an optical drive, this > method _does_ require you to put the 'ISO' (raw image file) of Ubuntu > Network Remix on your MS-Windows hard drive in the same folder as > wubi.exe. > > CABAL can help you around all of those things (including lending you my > USB-attachable CD/DVD/BluRay burner drive, during your visit). > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jan 7 15:09:44 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:09:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: <1294426748.1728.10.camel@jim-laptop> References: <20110107003737.GC18274@linuxmafia.com> <1294426748.1728.10.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <20110107230944.GN28390@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim (jim at systemateka.com): > rick's _very_ generous infodump may be a little > too much for some, but it's valuable and worth > figuring out. if you want translation or hand- > holding, ask. I see I forgot to include the link about how to burn or order 'Windows 7 recovery discs' for the HP Mini 110-3100. It's here: http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=115&prodSeriesId=4247541&prodTypeId=321957&objectID=c00810334 To further explain the first part of my post: For a Linux distro to support a given set of hardware, the distro's kernel, X11 software, printer drivers, etc. must include drivers that can auto-recognise and successfully communicate with the hardware's underlying chipsets. Thus, the best way to determine a unit's distro support status is to first identify its chipsets, then determine what drivers/revisions know about those chipsets, then find out if distro Foo has recent enough drivers. So, I did my best to research and inventory what chipsets an HP Mini 110-3100 uses, in each major area. Generally, what you care about is the motherboard Southbridge chip (which covers most I/O), the ethernet chip (if it's separate), the sound chip (if it's separate), the wireless chip, and the video graphics chip. The usual problem areas are wireless and video, especially on brand-new machine models, and especially if the chips are from the major horse's-rear-end manufacturers (Broadcom, Nvidia, Marvell). The bit about partitions was to make the point that the usual LUG strategy of making one existing partition smaller using some non-destructive partition tool and then shoehorning in a Linux-native partition and a swap partition isn't going to work. So, either blowing everything away or using a workaround becomes necessary. (An SF-LUG member wrote me offlist to suggest VirtualBox would also work. Sure, that or anything similar. Depends on what the machine owner wants to do.) From bliss at sfo.com Fri Jan 7 16:23:46 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:23:46 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] problems Message-ID: I haven't bothered to read the latest posts yet as I have been involved with problems on my ATT account which appears to have been hacked. later Bobbie Sellers From gpope111 at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 18:40:18 2011 From: gpope111 at gmail.com (george pope) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:40:18 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] CLS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone I hadn't planned to go to CLS meeting tomorrow but may have to change plans on your recommendation. An American friend has money for about 35 XOs for her remedial school for 350 students lacking money for government schools in Accra. I've been fumbling here because of the 100 unite requirement (pallet sized shipment?). I may have to go to work raising money for the remainder of a whole pallet shipment. I can find homes for the other 65 units.There are 3 pilot projects about 65 from 3 years. 100 units would bring the number olpc schools in Ghana up to 6 with 2 outside of Accra suburbs. The one in Accra Kanda Primary #5 has been floundering when their server went down for a half year and the others probably the same. Need to describe the educational package costs and all. Mark Battley just sent me a very good sketch of this. I'll ask him to post this to OLPC SF. Mark has experience with this and is inclined toward programmed slower starts. Internet is needed in all schools. Should try to add costs for an expert XO trained volunteer(s) ideally for a semester in Ghana Looks like CLS might be good for this? I have assumed that should to contact either a funds raiser consultant or grant application writer. If CLS tomorrow would be a good place to start looking for these? george pope 650 430 4671 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Mark Terranova wrote: > CLS is the 15th Christian.?http://clswest2011.eventbrite.com/??We still need > a few more volunteers the sign up list is > here;?https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtBpBSQOLdKtdFRFMVp5LWJKaTZqVU01ZVkyang4VFE&hl=en&authkey=CI7Psq0C > I am helping coordinate the dinner - Ryan Singer is handing lunch. > Since I am responding to the ML I might as well include some local > happenings. > ?You can also see how Partimus.org is doing with their local school Linux > labs (via Zareason.) There are six schools in Oakland and San Francisco that > we work with. Consider donating your hardware to this worthy cause. I am the > Community Manager for them BTW. > http://zareason.posterous.com/ > Jono Bacon (Community Manager- Ubuntu) has a show the weekend after on the > 22nd at?The Uptown > 1928 Telegraph Ave?Oakland?8:00pm - > 11:30pm?http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=120411244689238 > Severed Fifth plays some loud heavy metal music- everyone interested should > attend- it is only $10. We also plan on live streaming the show. If you > would like to volunteer yourself, an additional camera, or a phone that can > be tethered, please let me know. > > > Fudcon occurs at the end of the month for any one interested in The Fedora > Project. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Tempe_2011 > If you can't make it to Tempe, I can tell you more about it in person. > Feb is almost here - Scale is coming! > http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/ > ALL Hail Tux the Magnificent, > -Mark > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Christian Einfeldt > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> Anyone going to CLS tomorrow who would have room in their car for one >> more? ?I would love to get a ride. ?Thanks either way. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From einfeldt at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 18:45:14 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:45:14 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] CLS? 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One > is the one you referred to: Run Ubuntu (or Kubuntu, or whatever) as a > 'live' system from a USB stick or from a CD or DVD disc. Why not an external USB drive? Wouldn't the BIOS allow an external drive as a boot device? -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ Freedom is not an abstract concept in business. -- Bob Young, founder of Red Hat From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Sun Jan 9 10:12:35 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:12:35 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like the HP_TOOLS partition is related to creating the recovery disks and running diagnostics: http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-systems-and/What-is-inside-the-quot-HP-Tools-quot-partition/td-p/216428 It's not on my older Compaq laptops. Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SF-LUG meeting Monday. 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URL: From a_kleider at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 21:26:04 2011 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:26:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Monday. (Bobbie Sellers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <432947.56478.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not sure there is such a thing as a 'servo distro' Ubuntu I believe does have a server installation with a different support schedule to it's desktop version. You might want to ask on the list (essentially that's what I'm doing now) what people recommend for running a server. It's been my impression that there is some consensus that Debian is a good choice. I've been using Squeeze (testing)? but I notice that according to the Debian site, testing is not supported as promptly for security updates so to the extent that that is true it might be an argument for using Lenny (current stable) instead. How do people weigh in on this issue? The other question I've been struggling to resolve is with regard to partitioning. I'd be interested in any comments about the following issues I've been thinking about lately: I've heard arguments made for having separate partitions for: /boot: some say 100M is adequate, my SheevaPlug currently uses 26M but my Zareason laptop is using 147 M! /swap: I've read that if you have >= 1G of ram, you don't even need swap; alternatively if you use suspend-to-disk then RAM+15% is recommended. /home: keep it separate so users don't bring down your machine by using up too much space. My plug is using only 2.1M but my laptop is 44G! (I need to house clean.) /home/ftp and/lor /home/httpd for server data if need be. (Other sources suggest keeping server data in /var- comments?) /usr/local a local version of the root system: as a separate partition it will survive an upgrade/reinstall. (similar benefit for /home) /tmp two reasons to have it a separate partition: if you are running off of an sd card instead of a hard drive, this would be a good partition to mount on an external drive to minimize writes to the sd; the other issue is to protect against the possibility of a graphics program trying to load an image that might be too big for available space and thus bring down the system. Any comments from the more experienced? ..any suggestions as to a size that would be adequate? /var/log in case log files are not purged and get so big that the system is brought down. Does this happen? /var/spool if running services (eg mail) With regard to systems running off an SD card (vs Hard Drive), to avoid writes to the sd card, /home, /tmp, and /var might be best mounted onto an external hard drive. In this regard: when does fstab get read and the mounting get done relative to when the first logging is done? Could this be a problem? i.e. does logging of the boot process get done before an external drive might get mounted? a_kleider at yahoo.com --- On Thu, 1/13/11, ron wellman wrote: From: ron wellman Subject: Re: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Monday. (Bobbie Sellers) To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 1:08 PM Yes I'm planning to be there. Last time I got two laptops up and running. I may need to tweak the wireless connection and I'm bringing in an old laptop or two. I'll want to load a server distro on one. The second one may be more problematic. I'm hoping to see Alex there too. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ?sf-lug at linuxmafia.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ?http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ?sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ?sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. SF-LUG meeting Monday. (Bobbie Sellers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:31:36 -0800 From: Bobbie Sellers To: SF-LUG Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Monday. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed ? ? This Monday January 17, 2010 at the Cafe Enchante the usual SF-LUG low-key meeting from 6-8 PM nominally at 26th and Geary. ? ? later ? ? bliss ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 60, Issue 11 ************************************** -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Fri Jan 14 07:33:26 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:33:26 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Monday. (Bobbie Sellers) In-Reply-To: <432947.56478.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <432947.56478.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1295019206.1819.46.camel@jim-laptop> systemateka.com is running on ubuntu server with no problems. i believe ubuntu server no longer has a default user account, verify this is the case and disable it if you find it (set the seventh field in the /etc/passwd file to /bin/nologin or /bin/false or some such, also change the password for that account. i say don't delete the account as a matter of good, if not best, practice (don't reuse UIDs). at noisebridge, the linux system administration study group is running both ubuntu server and CentOS. i believe the sf-lug.com host is debian with hypervisor--the host is supporting a VM for sf-lug.com and another VM for balug.org. the sf-lug.org web site is hosted on a BSD box. a number of people whose sysadm skills i admire are running BSD for server support. your partitioning info seems largely good to me. * the only reason for having /boot as a separate mount point is that BIOS is old enough that it can't see beyond some number of cylinders (i forget the number) so the grub system has to be within its reach. 100M has always been enough for me, it's a matter of how many kernels and ramdisks etc one is working with. * there is no /swap directory. a partition for swap has no mount point. * /var/www/ has been a mount point for web site, but there are some who suggest /srv or /opt or some other directory as a mount point. i don't see that it matters much, but i've come around to that idea. * someone, i'm sorry to have forgotten as i'd like to give proper credit, has suggested that one mount flash storage as ext2 filesystem with noatime: -- ext2 doesn't keep a journal -- noatime directs the system not to update the inode tables for repeated user access of files the above reduces the number of writes to storage, which has a finite number of writes as an upper limit. On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 21:26 -0800, Alex Kleider wrote: > I'm not sure there is such a thing as a 'servo distro' > Ubuntu I believe does have a server installation with a different > support schedule to it's desktop version. > You might want to ask on the list (essentially that's what I'm doing > now) what people recommend for running a server. It's been my > impression that there is some consensus that Debian is a good choice. > I've been using Squeeze (testing) but I notice that according to the > Debian site, testing is not supported as promptly for security updates > so to the extent that that is true it might be an argument for using > Lenny (current stable) instead. > How do people weigh in on this issue? > The other question I've been struggling to resolve is with regard to > partitioning. > I'd be interested in any comments about the following issues I've been > thinking about lately: > I've heard arguments made for having separate partitions for: > /boot: some say 100M is adequate, my SheevaPlug currently uses 26M but > my Zareason laptop is using 147 M! > /swap: I've read that if you have >= 1G of ram, you don't even need > swap; alternatively if you use suspend-to-disk then RAM+15% is > recommended. > /home: keep it separate so users don't bring down your machine by > using up too much space. My plug is using only 2.1M but my laptop is > 44G! (I need to house clean.) > /home/ftp and/lor /home/httpd for server data if need be. (Other > sources suggest keeping server data in /var- comments?) > /usr/local a local version of the root system: as a separate partition > it will survive an upgrade/reinstall. (similar benefit for /home) > /tmp two reasons to have it a separate partition: if you are running > off of an sd card instead of a hard drive, this would be a good > partition to mount on an external drive to minimize writes to the sd; > the other issue is to protect against the possibility of a graphics > program trying to load an image that might be too big for available > space and thus bring down the system. Any comments from the more > experienced? ..any suggestions as to a size that would be adequate? > /var/log in case log files are not purged and get so big that the > system is brought down. Does this happen? > /var/spool if running services (eg mail) > With regard to systems running off an SD card (vs Hard Drive), to > avoid writes to the sd card, /home, /tmp, and /var might be best > mounted onto an external hard drive. In this regard: when does fstab > get read and the mounting get done relative to when the first logging > is done? Could this be a problem? i.e. does logging of the boot > process get done before an external drive might get mounted? > > > > a_kleider at yahoo.com > > --- On Thu, 1/13/11, ron wellman wrote: > > From: ron wellman > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Monday. (Bobbie Sellers) > To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 1:08 PM > > Yes I'm planning to be there. Last time I got two laptops up > and running. I may need to tweak the wireless connection and > I'm bringing in an old laptop or two. I'll want to load a > server distro on one. The second one may be more problematic. > I'm hoping to see Alex there too. > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:00 PM, > wrote: > Send sf-lug mailing list submissions to > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > than "Re: Contents of sf-lug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SF-LUG meeting Monday. (Bobbie Sellers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:31:36 -0800 > From: Bobbie Sellers > To: SF-LUG > Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Monday. > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > This Monday January 17, 2010 at > the Cafe Enchante the usual SF-LUG > low-key meeting from 6-8 PM nominally > at 26th and Geary. > > later > bliss > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > End of sf-lug Digest, Vol 60, Issue 11 > ************************************** > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Fri Jan 14 11:34:31 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:34:31 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Monday. 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URL: From nbs at sonic.net Fri Jan 14 12:01:18 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:01:18 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Installfest workshop in Davis - Friday, January 28th Message-ID: <201101142001.p0EK1IIV016754@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis, together with the Computer Science Club at UC Davis, will be holding a free "Linux Installfest" workshop in Davis, California. When: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:00pm - 10:00pm Where: Kemper Hall, Room 1003 1288 Bainer Hall Drive (UC Davis campus) Davis, California Maps/directions at: http://www.lugod.org/if/directions_kemper.php What: Linux is a completely free, 'open source' operating system that can run on a wide variety of computer hardware. It can act as a web-, file-, print- or game-server, run in a 'cluster' of computers to do 3D rendering or other intense math, or sit under your TV and record your favorite shows for later viewing. Many people use it as an inexpensive, stable, virus- and spyware-free alternative to commercial software, such as Microsoft Windows. It can be installed over, or alongside, Windows or Mac OS X. Members of the community are invited to bring their computers and laptops to this informal workshop, and volunteers from LUGOD will help you install and configure Linux... for FREE! How: If you wish to bring in your PC, you must RSVP beforehand to reserve a space. The RSVP form, and lots of useful information about Linux and Installfests, and how to prepare for the event, are accessible on the web at: http://www.lugod.org/if/ Help! We're always looking for volunteers for our workshops. If you'd like to help, or come watch and learn as others are helped, please feel free to drop by. Our "vox-if" mailing list is where we discuss plans and needs for these events, so we encourage you to sign up: http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/#vox-if ...or contact the Installfest coordinators directly via email: if at lugod.org About LUGOD: The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux operating; system and Open Source software, and which (along with holding Installfests) holds regular meetings with guest speakers each month in Davis, CA. For details, visit: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick LUGOD Public Relations Officer pr at lugod.org http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon Jan 17 17:20:15 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:20:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2011-01-18 BALUG meeting Message-ID: <20110117172015.122978iefq10k204@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2011-01-18 BALUG meeting Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-01-18 Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). For our 2011-01-18 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have a specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings. Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to announce or fully publicise the speaker (that's happened at least twice in the past five or so years). Got questions, answers, and/or opinions? We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) present to cover LINUX and related topic areas. Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics? Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish. Want to help ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings? Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker coordinators. Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to be had. So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, January 18th, 2011 2011-01-18 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org http://www.balug.org/ From ashish.makani at gmail.com Mon Jan 17 18:38:14 2011 From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:38:14 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2011-01-18 BALUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20110117172015.122978iefq10k204@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <20110117172015.122978iefq10k204@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, BALUG folks I am new to the bay area & BALUG, & to linux too :) 1. I am thinking of coming for the meeting tomorrow, primarily to get some help with ubuntu on my laptop. I have ubuntu on my laptop, but have not been able to use it, for the last couple of months due to some weird issue. Can some more experienced LUGers help with my problem, if i come to the meeting tomorrow. I don't like windows, it freezes/becomes unresponsive often & getting my ubuntu problem resolved would be a big help. 2. I am in fremont & dont have a car/driving license yet :( I was wondering if anybody is coming from fremont bart/thereabouts & would be willing to give me a ride? ( i will pay for gas) Thanks & Best Regards, ashish On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Michael Paoli < Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu> wrote: > BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2011-01-18 BALUG meeting > > Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting > Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-01-18 > > Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). > > For our 2011-01-18 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have a > specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that > doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings. > Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to > announce or fully publicise the speaker (that's happened at least twice > in the past five or so years). Got questions, answers, and/or > opinions? We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) > present to cover LINUX and related topic areas. Want to hear some > interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics? Show up at the > meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish. Want to help > ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings? > Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker > coordinators. 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URL: From aropoika at earthlink.net Tue Jan 18 07:33:26 2011 From: aropoika at earthlink.net (BillHill) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:33:26 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [sf-lug] saga of my failed pioneer usb external dvd burner Message-ID: <5680302.1295364806738.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I want to relate this as another example of 'logic pays off', but the whole process takes place in a series of (psychological?) steps: 1) so thankyou Jason and Mikki for *encouraging* me to go to the sflug meeting last nite, and 2) those at the meeting helping me to *realize* that the problem of my external usb dvd burner (which used to work just fine) was indeed in the unit itself, and not in the interface cable or somehow in software. So then, needing still more reassurance that the problem may be solvable, 3) *don't give up*, Jason and I went to see if we might *ask for more help* from 'the wizards' at noisebridge, and I presented the problem to Mike Kan there. It was clearly and logically a hardware problem, and 4) thinking it was perhaps a simple/obvious one, so *open up the box* and look (hardware, oh dear!!) - only 4 screws hidden under the rubber feet get the cover shell open, and as we got into taking out the drive unit itself, we noticed that the drive came off the connector to the attached circuit board rather-too-easily. Pushing the drive onto the connector better and reassembling the unit - wow! it works again! the computer 'sees' the unit again, so we find that 5) the 'hardware problem' was indeed just another *stupid/mechanical connection*, whereas most people would just say 'well hardware fails, go out and buy a new one'. ...just thought you-all might enjoy this story --happycamper, billhill From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 10:55:12 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:55:12 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? Message-ID: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> First of all I confess to being very foolhardy. I always install all Ubuntu updates without backing up my system, I use the latest version of Ubuntu, Thunderbird, and Firefox, I even run experimental versions with wild abandon. I've been using Thunderbird for some time. Starting somewhere in the past month, when starting Thunderbird, I get a message saying I'm using a new version, and a migration assistant offers to migrate my settings. It gave me three choices: 1) continue to use old settings 2) migrate to new settings 3) decide later. I'm not even sure which versions this referred to. As I mentioned, I was probably using a bleeding edge beta, so it's possible that the "upgrade" was just an official install of something I was already using, or possibly even a downgrade. Up until yesterday I chose 3), decide later, because I couldn't be bothered to figure out what settings these were, and whether I preferred to old or the new. Yesterday for some reason I chose 2), migrate to new settings. I didn't notice any difference and forgot about it, until this morning, when I noticed that that a whole lot of folders that I had created in the past few months were missing, and a big chunk of mail that had been sitting in my inbox is gone. I can't recall when I made these changes to my inbox folders, but the missing mail is conveniently timestamped. I'm missing 1/3/2010 - 1/18/2011. My question is whether I can go back to the previous settings and retrieve my mail and folder structure. Oh, how I miss the old days of mbox format and mutt. I may go back. Of course you could fuck yourself over royally back then, and I did, many times, but at least I understood clearly what I did. For me the main attraction of computers is the learning opportunities. From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 11:11:23 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:11:23 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D37375B.8030408@gmail.com> Interestingly, my sent mail from the same period is missing. I'll bet it's there somewhere, just not indexed properly. On 01/19/2011 10:55 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > First of all I confess to being very foolhardy. I always install all > Ubuntu updates without backing up my system, I use the latest version of > Ubuntu, Thunderbird, and Firefox, I even run experimental versions with > wild abandon. > > I've been using Thunderbird for some time. Starting somewhere in the > past month, when starting Thunderbird, I get a message saying I'm using > a new version, and a migration assistant offers to migrate my settings. > It gave me three choices: 1) continue to use old settings 2) migrate to > new settings 3) decide later. > > I'm not even sure which versions this referred to. As I mentioned, I was > probably using a bleeding edge beta, so it's possible that the "upgrade" > was just an official install of something I was already using, or > possibly even a downgrade. > > Up until yesterday I chose 3), decide later, because I couldn't be > bothered to figure out what settings these were, and whether I preferred > to old or the new. > > Yesterday for some reason I chose 2), migrate to new settings. > > I didn't notice any difference and forgot about it, until this morning, > when I noticed that that a whole lot of folders that I had created in > the past few months were missing, and a big chunk of mail that had been > sitting in my inbox is gone. > > I can't recall when I made these changes to my inbox folders, but the > missing mail is conveniently timestamped. I'm missing 1/3/2010 - 1/18/2011. > > My question is whether I can go back to the previous settings and > retrieve my mail and folder structure. > > Oh, how I miss the old days of mbox format and mutt. I may go back. Of > course you could fuck yourself over royally back then, and I did, many > times, but at least I understood clearly what I did. For me the main > attraction of computers is the learning opportunities. From jim at systemateka.com Wed Jan 19 11:35:08 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:35:08 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <4D37375B.8030408@gmail.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> <4D37375B.8030408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1295465708.1868.15.camel@jim-laptop> Maybe change directories to .Thunderbird/ and use either the find or the grep command to see if you get a hit on some known filename or phrase? (sigh) Backups. Seems a never-ending quest. Do any of you have a backup solution with which you're happy? I'd be happy with one or more incremental backups of /home/ each day that go to a local redundant store as well as to some remote ("cloud") store. I'd be delighted if it were easy to implement and thrilled if restoration was simple and foolproof. On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 11:11 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: > Interestingly, my sent mail from the same period is missing. I'll bet > it's there somewhere, just not indexed properly. > > On 01/19/2011 10:55 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > First of all I confess to being very foolhardy. I always install all > > Ubuntu updates without backing up my system, I use the latest version of > > Ubuntu, Thunderbird, and Firefox, I even run experimental versions with > > wild abandon. > > > > I've been using Thunderbird for some time. Starting somewhere in the > > past month, when starting Thunderbird, I get a message saying I'm using > > a new version, and a migration assistant offers to migrate my settings. > > It gave me three choices: 1) continue to use old settings 2) migrate to > > new settings 3) decide later. > > > > I'm not even sure which versions this referred to. As I mentioned, I was > > probably using a bleeding edge beta, so it's possible that the "upgrade" > > was just an official install of something I was already using, or > > possibly even a downgrade. > > > > Up until yesterday I chose 3), decide later, because I couldn't be > > bothered to figure out what settings these were, and whether I preferred > > to old or the new. > > > > Yesterday for some reason I chose 2), migrate to new settings. > > > > I didn't notice any difference and forgot about it, until this morning, > > when I noticed that that a whole lot of folders that I had created in > > the past few months were missing, and a big chunk of mail that had been > > sitting in my inbox is gone. > > > > I can't recall when I made these changes to my inbox folders, but the > > missing mail is conveniently timestamped. I'm missing 1/3/2010 - 1/18/2011. > > > > My question is whether I can go back to the previous settings and > > retrieve my mail and folder structure. > > > > Oh, how I miss the old days of mbox format and mutt. I may go back. Of > > course you could fuck yourself over royally back then, and I did, many > > times, but at least I understood clearly what I did. For me the main > > attraction of computers is the learning opportunities. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Wed Jan 19 11:36:33 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:36:33 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1295465793.1868.16.camel@jim-laptop> ERK! Me, too! Good call: backup before upgrading or updating.... On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 10:55 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: > First of all I confess to being very foolhardy. I always install all > Ubuntu updates without backing up my system, I use the latest version of > Ubuntu, Thunderbird, and Firefox, I even run experimental versions with > wild abandon. > > I've been using Thunderbird for some time. Starting somewhere in the > past month, when starting Thunderbird, I get a message saying I'm using > a new version, and a migration assistant offers to migrate my settings. > It gave me three choices: 1) continue to use old settings 2) migrate to > new settings 3) decide later. > > I'm not even sure which versions this referred to. As I mentioned, I > was probably using a bleeding edge beta, so it's possible that the > "upgrade" was just an official install of something I was already using, > or possibly even a downgrade. > > Up until yesterday I chose 3), decide later, because I couldn't be > bothered to figure out what settings these were, and whether I preferred > to old or the new. > > Yesterday for some reason I chose 2), migrate to new settings. > > I didn't notice any difference and forgot about it, until this morning, > when I noticed that that a whole lot of folders that I had created in > the past few months were missing, and a big chunk of mail that had been > sitting in my inbox is gone. > > I can't recall when I made these changes to my inbox folders, but the > missing mail is conveniently timestamped. I'm missing 1/3/2010 - 1/18/2011. > > My question is whether I can go back to the previous settings and > retrieve my mail and folder structure. > > Oh, how I miss the old days of mbox format and mutt. I may go back. Of > course you could fuck yourself over royally back then, and I did, many > times, but at least I understood clearly what I did. For me the main > attraction of computers is the learning opportunities. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From bill at wards.net Wed Jan 19 12:00:04 2011 From: bill at wards.net (bill at wards.net) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:00:04 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] NEXT WEEK: PenLUG meeting 01/26/2011 Message-ID: PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS: +-------------------------------------+ |Date: |Wednesday, January 26, 2011| |---------+---------------------------| |Time: |6:00 - 8:00 PM | |---------+---------------------------| | |Bayshore Technology Park | |Location:|1300 Island Drive | | |Redwood City, CA 94065 | | |Suite 106 - Training Room | |---------+---------------------------| |RSVP: |Facebook: (coming soon) | | |or mail rsvp at penlug.org | +-------------------------------------+ Note we are now meeting on Wednesdays! Since March 2010, we moved to the fourth Wednesday of each month (except in November and December, when we meet on the second Wednesday to avoid holiday conflicts). The meeting is hosted by NewlineNoosh. There is no sponsor for food/drinks, so please bring a potluck item to share. Agenda: * 6:00 PM Potluck snacks * 6:15 PM Free book giveaways or other prizes * 6:30 PM Presentation begins * 8:00 PM Meeting ends Blekko Blekko is a new Web-scale search engine, offering focused searching using "slashtags", which enable you to restrict search results to the specific sites of actual interest. We'll use some open-source slashtags as examples. The rest of the talk will focus on Map/Reduce done better, NoSQL databases, tuning Linux for good performance, etc. Greg Lindahl Greg Lindahl is CTO at Blekko. He was previously a founder at PathScale, where he was the architect of the InfiniPath low-latency InfiniBand HCA, used to build tightly-coupled supercomputing clusters. Prior to PathScale's founding in 2001, Greg worked on commodity Linux clusters at HPTi, including the 1999 Forecast Systems Lab system, which was the first time a Linux cluster won a conventional supercomputing procurement. Greg started using Linux in 1996, while working on the Legion "grid" distributed OS project at the University of Virginia, and you can trace the history of his Linux laptop usage from the guides he's written at linux-on-laptops.com. RSVP Although it is not required, we like to have an idea of how many people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you are planning to attend. GETTING THERE For information on getting to the meeting, please see: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Island+Drive,+Redwood+City,+CA http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/DrivingDirectionsQualys http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/TransitDirectionsQualys Traffic on 101 can be pretty bad in the evening, so we encourage you to check traffic conditions before driving by dialing 5-1-1 on your phone or visiting www.511.org, and if possible to take public transit (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting. MORE INFORMATION See www.penlug.org for more information. This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists: members at penlug.org announce at penlug.org sf-lug at linuxmafia.com balug-talk at lists.balug.org svlug at lists.svlug.org svevents at yahoogroups.com vox at lists.lugod.org Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes. From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jan 19 13:30:07 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:30:07 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110119213007.GG2800@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com): > Oh, how I miss the old days of mbox format and mutt. Last I checked, Thunderbird continues to store all mail, sent and received, in mbox format. There are binary indexes, which of course you can delete and thereby cause Thunderbird to re-index the mail from scratch. Since you don't have backups, you cannot be absolutely sure that the new software hasn't someone cut out and thrown away some portion of your mbox contents, but that strikes me as a-priori unlikely. From akkana at shallowsky.com Wed Jan 19 14:05:59 2011 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:05:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <20110119213007.GG2800@linuxmafia.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> <20110119213007.GG2800@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110119220559.GA29926@shallowsky.com> Rick Moen writes: > Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com): > > Oh, how I miss the old days of mbox format and mutt. > > Last I checked, Thunderbird continues to store all mail, sent and > received, in mbox format. There are binary indexes, which of course you > can delete and thereby cause Thunderbird to re-index the mail from > scratch. That's what I thought, too. At least it used to use mbox format. Michael said: > I'm missing 1/3/2010 - 1/18/2011. So you can probably go to wherever your folders are stored and do something like: egrep '^Date: .* Jan 2010' * to see if any of the missing mail is still there. And, of course, copy that whole directory somewhere before you start on any recovery attempts like deleting the folder indices. ...Akkana From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 17:31:04 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:31:04 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <20110119220559.GA29926@shallowsky.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> <20110119213007.GG2800@linuxmafia.com> <20110119220559.GA29926@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <4D379058.9070809@gmail.com> You're right. ^mbox^mailbox^. I always get the two mixed up. As to re-indexing, good idea. I didn't realize Thunderbird would do that. It turns out you can right-click on a folder, select "preferences", and select "repair folders". Unfortunately this didn't help. I'll try mozillazine as well. Michael On 01/19/2011 02:05 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: > Rick Moen writes: >> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com): >>> Oh, how I miss the old days of mbox format and mutt. >> >> Last I checked, Thunderbird continues to store all mail, sent and >> received, in mbox format. There are binary indexes, which of course you >> can delete and thereby cause Thunderbird to re-index the mail from >> scratch. > > That's what I thought, too. At least it used to use mbox format. > > Michael said: >> I'm missing 1/3/2010 - 1/18/2011. > > So you can probably go to wherever your folders are stored and do > something like: > > egrep '^Date: .* Jan 2010' * > > to see if any of the missing mail is still there. And, of course, > copy that whole directory somewhere before you start on any recovery > attempts like deleting the folder indices. > > ...Akkana > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jan 19 17:36:04 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:36:04 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <4D379058.9070809@gmail.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> <20110119213007.GG2800@linuxmafia.com> <20110119220559.GA29926@shallowsky.com> <4D379058.9070809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110120013604.GL2800@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com): > You're right. ^mbox^mailbox^. I always get the two mixed up. > > As to re-indexing, good idea. I didn't realize Thunderbird would do that. > > It turns out you can right-click on a folder, select "preferences", > and select "repair folders". > > Unfortunately this didn't help. Michael -- Open a shell and follow Akkana's advice. She's right: Your first priority should be to find out 'Is my old mail physically present in the mbox files or not?' That's a pretty simple yes/no test. Then, if you like, you can play around with clicky-clicky 'repair' options and the like. Or you can do the obvious: 1. Back up stuff. 2. Quit Thunderbird, open shell, and cd to where the mboxes are. 3. Delete index files. 4. Re-open Thunderbird. -- Rick Moen "Top tip: Pay for your homeopathic medicine with a rick at linuxmafia.com glass of water that's had a $100 note dipped into it." McQ! (4x80) -- Josh Price From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 18:11:19 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:11:19 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <20110119220559.GA29926@shallowsky.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> <20110119213007.GG2800@linuxmafia.com> <20110119220559.GA29926@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <4D3799C7.1090200@gmail.com> Perhaps because I was afraid of the answer. It is as I feared. The mail is gone. I'm doing strings Inbox | grep "Date: " | grep 2010 | sort and all I get are messages from January 1, 2, and 3. This is just for the Inbox folder. On 01/19/2011 02:05 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: > Rick Moen writes: >> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com): >>> Oh, how I miss the old days of mbox format and mutt. >> >> Last I checked, Thunderbird continues to store all mail, sent and >> received, in mbox format. There are binary indexes, which of course you >> can delete and thereby cause Thunderbird to re-index the mail from >> scratch. > > That's what I thought, too. At least it used to use mbox format. > > Michael said: >> I'm missing 1/3/2010 - 1/18/2011. > > So you can probably go to wherever your folders are stored and do > something like: > > egrep '^Date: .* Jan 2010' * > > to see if any of the missing mail is still there. And, of course, > copy that whole directory somewhere before you start on any recovery > attempts like deleting the folder indices. > > ...Akkana > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jan 19 18:19:43 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:19:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <4D3799C7.1090200@gmail.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> <20110119213007.GG2800@linuxmafia.com> <20110119220559.GA29926@shallowsky.com> <4D3799C7.1090200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110120021943.GM2800@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com): > Perhaps because I was afraid of the answer. > > It is as I feared. The mail is gone. Dept. of Gallows Humour: Well, at least the indexes are probably correct. (Condolences.) -- Rick Moen "I've been to Alaska; it was like a long rick at linuxmafia.com 'Home Improvement' episode with taxidermy." McQ! (4x80) -- Kelly Oxford From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 18:22:33 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:22:33 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Migrated wrong set from thunderbird, lost a bunch of folders. Can I be saved? In-Reply-To: <20110120021943.GM2800@linuxmafia.com> References: <4D373390.3070601@gmail.com> <20110119213007.GG2800@linuxmafia.com> <20110119220559.GA29926@shallowsky.com> <4D3799C7.1090200@gmail.com> <20110120021943.GM2800@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4D379C69.5060501@gmail.com> On 01/19/2011 06:19 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Michael Shiloh (michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com): > >> Perhaps because I was afraid of the answer. >> >> It is as I feared. The mail is gone. > > Dept. of Gallows Humour: Well, at least the indexes are probably correct. > (Condolences.) > Yes! Long live the indices! After the initial shock I will probably find that I get along fine. Frustratingly I've also lost all changes to my address book in the past year, including all the email contacts I've made since then. This means digging out some other way to contact them.... Grr... From jim at systemateka.com Thu Jan 20 08:36:44 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:36:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [Noisebridge-discuss] new release of "Security Concepts" book] Message-ID: <1295541404.1816.15.camel@jim-laptop> (as seen on the noisebridge-discuss list, posted by the author of the book) So I've done a major re-edit and reformatting of my free security concepts book. I'm really happy with the way it came out; it's pretty, all the links work, most of the math renders okay in HTML, the section anchors are now stable, and so on. So if you know anyone who's interested in computer security, go ahead and send 'em this link: http://www.subspacefield.org/security/security_concepts.html Don't let the ToC scare you off; it's rather terse, and I've punted on writing up a lot of the sections that are better described elsewhere, instead preferring to spend my time on stuff that isn't described elsewhere. Next edit will incorporate ~400 additions and notes I've queued up, as well as converting many of the URLs into hyperlinks, especially when they go off the margin of the PDF. _______________________________________________ Noisebridge-discuss mailing list Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss From mountainoceansky at hotmail.com Sat Jan 22 09:59:41 2011 From: mountainoceansky at hotmail.com (Molly Bee) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:59:41 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: <20110107230944.GN28390@linuxmafia.com> References: , , <20110107003737.GC18274@linuxmafia.com>, <1294426748.1728.10.camel@jim-laptop>, <20110107230944.GN28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: Rick, thank you so much for your (yes, very generous) detailed report. I understand much of it (thanks jim!) because of my healthy relationship with my previous lap-dancer, a Hardy Heron switchover on a cowDell laplauncher with a motherpad landingstrip. It was also very blue, and THIS ONE IS BLUE TOO, SO THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM CONVERTING IT TO LINUX, YES? Ken, if I want to destroy Windows and all its minions, can I just wipe the whole disk (including the HP Tools) and not lose firmware grips on my hardware? Or Linux is magick and comes pre-packed with its own drivers? Or, or, if I'm missing a driver, I just make eyes at the multiverse and it hands it to me on a silver platter? Yes? I'm prepared to do a clean break and run ONLY Linux... in fact, I would /prefer/ this scenario to a dual boot. Rebirth for complete nativehood, please! BillHill-- do you have a brother named Stephen gallivanting about the Rocky Mountains? Because HILL IS A VERY UNCOMMON SURNAME, AND SURELY YOU MUST BE RELATED! Rick, et al., where do I send the dehydrated huckleberries? If I send them to Noisebridge, I know they really will be et al. Hugs! and that Hopey Changey thing! Molly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Sat Jan 22 10:28:12 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:28:12 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: , , <20110107003737.GC18274@linuxmafia.com> , <1294426748.1728.10.camel@jim-laptop> , <20110107230944.GN28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1295720892.1814.32.camel@jim-laptop> best to use a "live CD" on the computer before you install so's to verify that everything will work. note: the live CD should run the same OS release as that which you'll install. note also that it's easy to get a live CD that has install capabilities. get one. ask and one or more of us can deliver or send one or point you to a source. be sure you really don't need any files or functionality of your existing system before you do the install. dual boot ain't bad as a safe course, though it lacks the thrills that some risk-takers like. On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 09:59 -0800, Molly Bee wrote: > Rick, thank you so much for your (yes, very generous) detailed report. > I understand much of it (thanks jim!) because of my healthy > relationship with my previous lap-dancer, a Hardy Heron switchover on > a cowDell laplauncher with a motherpad landingstrip. It was also very > blue, and THIS ONE IS BLUE TOO, SO THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM > CONVERTING IT TO LINUX, YES? > > Ken, if I want to destroy Windows and all its minions, can I just wipe > the whole disk (including the HP Tools) and not lose firmware grips on > my hardware? Or Linux is magick and comes pre-packed with its own > drivers? Or, or, if I'm missing a driver, I just make eyes at the > multiverse and it hands it to me on a silver platter? Yes? > > I'm prepared to do a clean break and run ONLY Linux... in fact, I > would /prefer/ this scenario to a dual boot. Rebirth for complete > nativehood, please! > > BillHill-- do you have a brother named Stephen gallivanting about the > Rocky Mountains? Because HILL IS A VERY UNCOMMON SURNAME, AND SURELY > YOU MUST BE RELATED! > > Rick, et al., where do I send the dehydrated huckleberries? If I send > them to Noisebridge, I know they really will be et al. > Hugs! > and that Hopey Changey thing! > Molly > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From bliss at sfo.com Sat Jan 22 11:57:54 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:57:54 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Re: Ubuntu User wannabe! Message-ID: Sorry I forgot to hit reply to list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:34:52 -0800 From: Bobbie Sellers Reply-To: bliss at sfo.com Organization: none To: Molly Bee On 01/22/2011 09:59 AM, Molly Bee wrote: > Rick, thank you so much for your (yes, very generous) detailed report. > I understand much of it (thanks jim!) because of my healthy > relationship with my previous lap-dancer, a Hardy Heron switchover on > a cowDell laplauncher with a motherpad landingstrip. It was also very > blue, and THIS ONE IS BLUE TOO, SO THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM > CONVERTING IT TO LINUX, YES? > > Ken, if I want to destroy Windows and all its minions, can I just wipe > the whole disk (including the HP Tools) and not lose firmware grips on > my hardware? Or Linux is magick and comes pre-packed with its own > drivers? Or, or, if I'm missing a driver, I just make eyes at the > multiverse and it hands it to me on a silver platter? Yes? Yes but ATT and Comcast as well as other sites will not talk to Linux. I am not happy about this at all. but it looks like I either buy another old computer with Windows becasue I cannot afford a computer running MacOS which are the only dialects that the named entities suupport/ later Bobbie Sellers > > I'm prepared to do a clean break and run ONLY Linux... in fact, I > would /prefer/ this scenario to a dual boot. Rebirth for complete > nativehood, please! > > BillHill-- do you have a brother named Stephen gallivanting about the > Rocky Mountains? Because HILL IS A VERY UNCOMMON SURNAME, AND SURELY > YOU MUST BE RELATED! > > Rick, et al., where do I send the dehydrated huckleberries? If I send > them to Noisebridge, I know they really will be et al. > Hugs! > and that Hopey Changey thing! > Molly > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Sat Jan 22 12:10:59 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:10:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Re: Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1295727059.1814.43.camel@jim-laptop> We just installed a comcast setup and it works fine with the linux computer we used for testing. I tested the connection with a little linksys router, and that works fine, too. On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 11:57 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Sorry I forgot to hit reply to list. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:34:52 -0800 > From: Bobbie Sellers > Reply-To: bliss at sfo.com > Organization: none > To: Molly Bee > > > > On 01/22/2011 09:59 AM, Molly Bee wrote: > > Rick, thank you so much for your (yes, very generous) detailed report. > > I understand much of it (thanks jim!) because of my healthy > > relationship with my previous lap-dancer, a Hardy Heron switchover on > > a cowDell laplauncher with a motherpad landingstrip. It was also very > > blue, and THIS ONE IS BLUE TOO, SO THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM > > CONVERTING IT TO LINUX, YES? > > > > Ken, if I want to destroy Windows and all its minions, can I just wipe > > the whole disk (including the HP Tools) and not lose firmware grips on > > my hardware? Or Linux is magick and comes pre-packed with its own > > drivers? Or, or, if I'm missing a driver, I just make eyes at the > > multiverse and it hands it to me on a silver platter? Yes? > > Yes but ATT and Comcast as well as other sites will not talk to Linux. > > I am not happy about this at all. but it looks like I either buy > another > old computer with Windows becasue I cannot afford a computer running > MacOS which are the only dialects that the named entities suupport/ > > later > Bobbie Sellers > > > > > I'm prepared to do a clean break and run ONLY Linux... in fact, I > > would /prefer/ this scenario to a dual boot. Rebirth for complete > > nativehood, please! > > > > BillHill-- do you have a brother named Stephen gallivanting about the > > Rocky Mountains? Because HILL IS A VERY UNCOMMON SURNAME, AND SURELY > > YOU MUST BE RELATED! > > > > Rick, et al., where do I send the dehydrated huckleberries? If I send > > them to Noisebridge, I know they really will be et al. > > Hugs! > > and that Hopey Changey thing! > > Molly > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Sat Jan 22 13:35:32 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:35:32 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: <20110107003737.GC18274@linuxmafia.com> <1294426748.1728.10.camel@jim-laptop> <20110107230944.GN28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: Molly, I concur with Jim about running off the live CD or a live USB, which you can create from the CD and have some update capability (like drivers, your config choices, etc.). I doubt there's anything on the HP Tools partition Linux needs, but since it does give you (or the person doing maintenance on the machine) some hooks into the BIOS, I would keep it. If they put the partition at the end of the disk, not even much space will be lost. Grub will probably offer it as a boot choice. I never Tell AT&T or Comcast I'm running Linux, but I connect to both with no problems. When a Comcast installer asked for a laptop, I did run windows for him, but after having trouble with IE, he switched to firefox, so I guess Linux firefox would have done what he needed. (Anyway, my Linksys router plugged into Comcast is running Linux, so they definitely have no problem talking to Linux). I hear AT&T's mobile dongles need to be initialized from a Windows box, but they run just fine under Linux and NetworkManager. > > Ken, if I want to destroy Windows and all its minions, can I just wipe the > whole disk (including the HP Tools) and not lose firmware grips on my > hardware? Or Linux is magick and comes pre-packed with its own drivers? Or, > or, if I'm missing a driver, I just make eyes at the multiverse and it hands > it to me on a silver platter? Yes? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss at sfo.com Sat Jan 22 13:52:55 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:52:55 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: <20110107003737.GC18274@linuxmafia.com> <1294426748.1728.10.camel@jim-laptop> <20110107230944.GN28390@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On 01/22/2011 01:35 PM, Ken Shaffer wrote: > Molly, > I concur with Jim about running off the live CD or a live USB, which > you can create from the CD and have some update capability (like > drivers, your config choices, etc.). I doubt there's anything on the > HP Tools partition Linux needs, but since it does give you (or the > person doing maintenance on the machine) some hooks into the BIOS, I > would keep it. If they put the partition at the end of the disk, not > even much space will be lost. Grub will probably offer it as a boot > choice. > I never Tell AT&T or Comcast I'm running Linux, but I connect to > both with no problems. When a Comcast installer asked for a laptop, I > did run windows for him, but after having trouble with IE, he switched > to firefox, so I guess Linux firefox would have done what he needed. > (Anyway, my Linksys router plugged into Comcast is running Linux, so > they definitely have no problem talking to Linux). I hear AT&T's > mobile dongles need to be initialized from a Windows box, but they run > just fine under Linux and NetworkManager. That will be fine until problems arise. When problems happen they want IE don't they. They do at ATT otherwise you pay for 3rd party support. Back on the Amiga in A-Web the fall-down browser you could spoof as IE or other browser with a click or two on the right menu. > > Ken, if I want to destroy Windows and all its minions, can I just > wipe the whole disk (including the HP Tools) and not lose firmware > grips on my hardware? Or Linux is magick and comes pre-packed with > its own drivers? Or, or, if I'm missing a driver, I just make eyes > at the multiverse and it hands it to me on a silver platter? Yes? > If you want to see if your hardware is supported then you find our exactly what hardware you have and check online at Linux hardware site. later bliss From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Jan 22 14:05:21 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:05:21 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Re: Ubuntu User wannabe! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110122220521.GD2800@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > Yes but ATT and Comcast as well as other sites will not talk to Linux. Not correct. Naturally, the low-wages support and field-service representatives will swear up and down that MS-Window or MacOS X is required for functionality and that they cannot possibly help you without them, but the ways to deal with these entirely management-mandated artificial obstacles have been written about endlessly for the past couple of decades. Here's a rather old entry on my personal FAQ entry that explains the scam about ISPs and 'supporting Linux': http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=kicking#linuxisp Now, if you absolutely insist on being able to show a Comcast installation technician that you're running the 'supported' version of Microsoft Windows in order to get minimum-wage ISP handholding, then you might want to have thing on a spare hard drive or a virtual machine. But you most certain don't need to run it. From wellmanron at gmail.com Sat Jan 22 16:47:01 2011 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:47:01 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! (Bobbie Sellers) Message-ID: bobbie, I have a laptop with windows 2K loaded on it. I don't have the startup disk for the laptop, you'll have to figure that out. comes with battery, power supply CD-R and floppy drive. let me know. ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss at sfo.com Sat Jan 22 18:10:32 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:10:32 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu User wannabe! (Bobbie Sellers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01/22/2011 04:47 PM, ron wellman wrote: > bobbie, > > I have a laptop with windows 2K loaded on it. I don't have the startup > disk for the laptop, you'll have to figure that out. comes with > battery, power supply CD-R and floppy drive. let me know. > > ron > "startup disk" means what? A floppy? Ehhh? I appreciate the offer I want you to know. Why not get back to me off the list? I will have to check the appropriate pages to see if NT and its versions of IE are supported. No rush at all as I am past being in a hurry about this matter. later Bobbie Sellers From bill at wards.net Sun Jan 23 12:07:46 2011 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:07:46 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] [PenLUG] NEXT WEEK: PenLUG meeting 01/26/2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: NOTE - this meeting is CANCELED due to a booking conflict with the facility. Please check the site for the details of upcoming meetings. Sorry for the inconvenience. We've secured the room for the remaining dates in 2011. Please do not reply-all to this, as it is crossposted to several places that you might not have authorization to post to... On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS: > > ? +-------------------------------------+ > ? |Date: ? ?|Wednesday, January 26, 2011| > ? |---------+---------------------------| > ? |Time: ? ?|6:00 - 8:00 PM ? ? ? ? ? ? | > ? |---------+---------------------------| > ? | ? ? ? ? |Bayshore Technology Park ? | > ? |Location:|1300 Island Drive ? ? ? ? ?| > ? | ? ? ? ? |Redwood City, CA 94065 ? ? | > ? | ? ? ? ? |Suite 106 - Training Room ?| > ? |---------+---------------------------| > ? |RSVP: ? ?|Facebook: (coming soon) ? ?| > ? | ? ? ? ? |or mail rsvp at penlug.org ? ?| > ? +-------------------------------------+ > > ? Note we are now meeting on Wednesdays! Since March 2010, we moved to the > ? fourth Wednesday of each month (except in November and December, when we > ? meet on the second Wednesday to avoid holiday conflicts). The meeting is > ? hosted by NewlineNoosh. There is no sponsor for food/drinks, so please > ? bring a potluck item to share. > > ? Agenda: > > ? ? * 6:00 PM Potluck snacks > ? ? * 6:15 PM Free book giveaways or other prizes > ? ? * 6:30 PM Presentation begins > ? ? * 8:00 PM Meeting ends > > ?Blekko > > ? Blekko is a new Web-scale search engine, offering focused searching using > ? "slashtags", which enable you to restrict search results to the specific > ? sites of actual interest. We'll use some open-source slashtags as > ? examples. The rest of the talk will focus on Map/Reduce done better, NoSQL > ? databases, tuning Linux for good performance, etc. > > ?Greg Lindahl > > ? Greg Lindahl is CTO at Blekko. He was previously a founder at PathScale, > ? where he was the architect of the InfiniPath low-latency InfiniBand HCA, > ? used to build tightly-coupled supercomputing clusters. Prior to > ? PathScale's founding in 2001, Greg worked on commodity Linux clusters at > ? 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Greg > ? started using Linux in 1996, while working on the Legion "grid" > ? distributed OS project at the University of Virginia, and you can trace > ? the history of his Linux laptop usage from the guides he's written at > ? linux-on-laptops.com. > > RSVP > > ?Although it is not required, we like to have an idea of how many > ?people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you > ?are planning to attend. > > GETTING THERE > > ?For information on getting to the meeting, please see: > ? ? ?http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Island+Drive,+Redwood+City,+CA > ? ? ?http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/DrivingDirectionsQualys > ? ? ?http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/TransitDirectionsQualys > > ?Traffic on 101 can be pretty bad in the evening, so we encourage you > ?to check traffic conditions before driving by dialing 5-1-1 on your > ?phone or visiting www.511.org, and if possible to take public transit > ?(best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting. > > MORE INFORMATION > > ?See www.penlug.org for more information. > > > This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists: > ? ? ? ?members at penlug.org > ? ? ? ?announce at penlug.org > ? ? ? ?sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > ? ? ? ?balug-talk at lists.balug.org > ? ? ? ?svlug at lists.svlug.org > ? ? ? ?svevents at yahoogroups.com > ? ? ? ?vox at lists.lugod.org > > ?Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes. > > _______________________________________________ > PenLUG-Members mailing list > PenLUG-Members at penlug.org > http://www.penlug.org/mailman/listinfo/penlug-members > -- Check out my LEGO blog at http://www.brickpile.com/ View my photos at http://flickr.com/photos/billward/ Follow me at http://twitter.com/williamward From bliss at sfo.com Wed Jan 26 11:10:23 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:10:23 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: LibreOffice 3.3 Final Message-ID: Thought this might be interesting. later bobbie -------- Original Message -------- Subject: LibreOffice 3.3 Final Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:00:17 -0500 From: Marc Par? Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mandriva For those of you who are not aware of it yet, the LibreOffice 3.3 Final made its appearance this week. You'll find the download here: http://libreoffice.org For those who are not aware of it, LibreOffice is a migration of the OpenOffice suite after Oracle bought out Sun. Many (most) of the communities supporting the OpenOffice project left and "The Document Foundation" group was formed. This then led to the formation of the LibreOffice project and the code from Openoffice, Go-Oo and BrOffice were merged with more along with more complimentary code. There are now close to 100 developers working on the project. Most Linux distros will be supporting LibreOffice and some have already confirmed that they will be offering LibreOffice before OpenOffice as their main office suite. You can read up on all of this on the LibreOffice site. Tips for an easy fresh install: 1. Download the distro and help files and language pack (if needed). 2. Right click on the .tar.gz and choose unpack here (or whatever it is called -- my system is in French) 3. You can put ALL the .rpms that you need in one file folder then do a Ctrl-A (this means choose all); right-click and choose the regular MDV software installer. This will install all of the files. NOTE: if you have previously installed LibreOffice, you should uninstall ALL LibreOffice related files BEFORE install the FINAL version. ALSO NOTE that the RC4 version is the same as the FINAL version. ALSO NOTE: if you would like to install the clip art from the OpenClipart.org project, you can install: libreoffice-openclipart-3-1pclos2010.noarch.rpm and it will install all of the cliparts into the right LibreOffice folders. You can find the file here: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/14906526/dir/pclinuxos/com/libreoffice-openclipart-3-1pclos2010.noarch.rpm.html Cheers Marc From bliss at sfo.com Wed Jan 26 11:10:56 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:10:56 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: LibreOffice 3.3 Final Message-ID: This might interest some. later bliss -------- Original Message -------- Subject: LibreOffice 3.3 Final Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:00:17 -0500 From: Marc Par? Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mandriva For those of you who are not aware of it yet, the LibreOffice 3.3 Final made its appearance this week. You'll find the download here: http://libreoffice.org For those who are not aware of it, LibreOffice is a migration of the OpenOffice suite after Oracle bought out Sun. Many (most) of the communities supporting the OpenOffice project left and "The Document Foundation" group was formed. This then led to the formation of the LibreOffice project and the code from Openoffice, Go-Oo and BrOffice were merged with more along with more complimentary code. There are now close to 100 developers working on the project. Most Linux distros will be supporting LibreOffice and some have already confirmed that they will be offering LibreOffice before OpenOffice as their main office suite. You can read up on all of this on the LibreOffice site. Tips for an easy fresh install: 1. Download the distro and help files and language pack (if needed). 2. Right click on the .tar.gz and choose unpack here (or whatever it is called -- my system is in French) 3. You can put ALL the .rpms that you need in one file folder then do a Ctrl-A (this means choose all); right-click and choose the regular MDV software installer. This will install all of the files. NOTE: if you have previously installed LibreOffice, you should uninstall ALL LibreOffice related files BEFORE install the FINAL version. ALSO NOTE that the RC4 version is the same as the FINAL version. ALSO NOTE: if you would like to install the clip art from the OpenClipart.org project, you can install: libreoffice-openclipart-3-1pclos2010.noarch.rpm and it will install all of the cliparts into the right LibreOffice folders. You can find the file here: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/14906526/dir/pclinuxos/com/libreoffice-openclipart-3-1pclos2010.noarch.rpm.html Cheers Marc From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jan 26 12:50:39 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:50:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: LibreOffice 3.3 Final In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110126205039.GT2800@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > This might interest some. > later > bliss Yay! I've also just now completed the changeover of my former http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Apps/OpenOffice.org/ knowledgebase tree into a http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Apps/LibreOffice/ one. -- Rick Moen "Has Google looked at the appropriateness of indexing rick at linuxmafia.com #WikiLeaks? The answer is yes, and we decided to McQ! (4x80) continue. Because it's legal." -- Eric Schmidt From ashish.makani at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 23:27:49 2011 From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:27:49 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: [Silicon-Valley-Linux-Technology] Free conference on Thursday that includes Linux technology In-Reply-To: <1153807676.1295896411854.JavaMail.nobody@james2> References: <1153807676.1295896411854.JavaMail.nobody@james2> Message-ID: FYI cheers ashish ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kevin Date: Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:13 AM Subject: [Silicon-Valley-Linux-Technology] Free conference on Thursday that includes Linux technology To: Silicon-Valley-Linux-Technology-list at meetup.com Hi Folks, The Real-Time & Embedded Computing Conference is Thursday, at the Santa Clara Convention Center. This conference is free to attend and even supplies free lunch to attendees. There are technical talks and of course lots of vendors displaying their wares. I will be having a table to talk to folks interested in Linux training, for example. I have been to several of these conferences and have also chaired quite a few embedded Linux conferences for them. They are worth the effort to stop by. More info can be found here: http://www.rtecc.com/conferences/view/44 If you come, please stop by the K Computing table and say hi. Best, Kevin Dankwardt -- Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on this mailing list (Silicon-Valley-Linux-Technology-list at meetup.com) http://www.meetup.com/Silicon-Valley-Linux-Technology/ This message was sent by Kevin (k at kcomputing.com) from Silicon Valley Linux Technology. 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Topics covered: * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB documents within python * Writing view functions in python * Map/reduce on CouchDB from python * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at scale under high load Speaker Bio: Luke Gostlings Luke is a lead engineer at about.me (recently acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research, online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and RSAConference. http://about.me/luke ......................................... Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of an essential Python feature, especially for those new to Python. Tonight's Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django, presented by Vicky Tuite LOCATION Symantec Corporation Symantec Vcafe 350 Ellis Street Mountain View, CA 94043 http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18 BayPIGgies meeting information is available at http://www.baypiggies.net/ ------------------------ Agenda ------------------------ ..... 7:30 PM ........................... General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any first-minute announcements. ..... 7:35 PM to 7:45 PM ................ Tonight's Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django, presented by Vicky Tuite ..... 7:45 PM to 8:25 PM (or so) ................ The talk: Introduction to CouchDB ..... 8:25 PM to 8:55 PM (or so) ................ Questions and Answers ..... 8:55 PM to 9:30 PM (or so) ................ Mapping and Random Access Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, hiring, events, and other topics. Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow up on the announcements and other interests. From chriskun at saikonet.org Sun Jan 30 01:31:44 2011 From: chriskun at saikonet.org (Chris Bolton) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 01:31:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Hiya Message-ID: Hey guys! I just happened to stumble upon the SF-LUG site and, well, being a local linux enthusiast decided to send out a mail :). I should be able to make it this sunday. How many usually show and what does the group usually do/talk about during these meetups? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss at sfo.com Sun Jan 30 08:19:44 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:19:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Hiya In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01/30/2011 01:31 AM, Chris Bolton wrote: > Hey guys! I just happened to stumble upon the SF-LUG site and, well, > being a local linux enthusiast decided to send out a mail :). I should > be able to make it this sunday. How many usually show and what does > the group usually do/talk about during these meetups? By this Sunday I hope you mean February 6th. As to what we do that covers a wide range of things. We help people to get their machines running with Linux or attempt to assist people with other problems that accompany Linux computing. We talk about new Linux distributions and sometimes about how horrible a certain proprietary OS happens to be, We are rather informal most of the time. We sip a warm drink and we intend to be there on Sunday February, 2011 between 11 AM and 1 PM nominally at the Cafe Enchante on 26th and Geary. Hope you see you there Chris and the rest of the regular attendees as well. later Bobbie Sellers From jim at well.com Sun Jan 30 09:54:15 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:54:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Hiya In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1296410055.1872.18.camel@jim-laptop> a linux enthusiast? great! tell us about things you've discovered--news, software, other groups.... usually people listen and often there's someone who adds info. the upcoming meeting is sunday 20110206 from 11 AM to 1 PM. the number of people who show up varies from a few to up to a dozen, depending on weather, holidays, who's out of work.... generally we take over some tables that are around the post that's near the couches. sometimes people show up with broken or otherwise funky laptops (one time we got a really big tower with lots of drives) and ask for help. topics vary a lot. some people are serious coders, some are system administrators, some are new to linux, some have some kind of business interest they're promoting or fishing for talent. usually one or two have come early, and afterward sometimes a few people stay late, finishing conversations. the cafe enchante has the usual sandwiches, drinks, bakery goods. parking is kind of clogged on sundays thanks to the church across the street. the busses run often. On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:31 -0800, Chris Bolton wrote: > Hey guys! I just happened to stumble upon the SF-LUG site and, well, > being a local linux enthusiast decided to send out a mail :). I should > be able to make it this sunday. How many usually show and what does > the group usually do/talk about during these meetups? > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From einfeldt at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 11:26:43 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 20:26:43 +0100 Subject: [sf-lug] Hiya In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, If you are a Linux Enthusiast Who likes to help get Linux into the hands of end users, you might want to consider volunteering for Partimus.org, which is a nonprofit dedicated to putting the Linux computers into schools. I am in germany now with limited access to the internet, but I will be back in san francisco on february ninth. Welcome to SF-LUG! On Jan 30, 2011 1:34 AM, "Chris Bolton" wrote: > Hey guys! I just happened to stumble upon the SF-LUG site and, well, being a > local linux enthusiast decided to send out a mail :). I should be able to > make it this sunday. How many usually show and what does the group usually > do/talk about during these meetups? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jstrazza at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 21:35:34 2011 From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 21:35:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG meeting - Who wants a computer? In-Reply-To: <1296410055.1872.18.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <808794.92112.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Before you get excited.... ? 800 Mhz, 320MB of RAM and a 30GB hard drive.....oh yeah, the power supply doesn't work.? It costs $22 for a new one.? ? I also have a 3.0 GHz computer with 512MB of RAM and an 80GB hard drive.? I won't load windows (insert your sarcastic comment here) despite my best efforts.? I paid $35 for it. I'll try my favorite flavor of Linux (puppy) to see if that will work. ? If anyone is interested in it, you can email me privately, so that we don't clog the list. and I can bring it also on Monday. ? John 415-608-4222 --- On Sun, 1/30/11, jim wrote: From: jim Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Hiya To: "Chris Bolton" Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:54 AM ? ? a linux enthusiast? great! tell us about things you've discovered--news, software, other groups.... usually people listen and often there's someone who adds info. ? ? the upcoming meeting is sunday 20110206 from 11 AM to 1 PM. ? ? the number of people who show up varies from a few to up to a dozen, depending on weather, holidays, who's out of work.... generally we take over some tables that are around the post that's near the couches. ? ? sometimes people show up with broken or otherwise funky laptops (one time we got a really big tower with lots of drives) and ask for help. ? ? topics vary a lot. some people are serious coders, some are system administrators, some are new to linux, some have some kind of business interest they're promoting or fishing for talent. ? ? usually one or two have come early, and afterward sometimes a few people stay late, finishing conversations. ? ? the cafe enchante has the usual sandwiches, drinks, bakery goods. parking is kind of clogged on sundays thanks to the church across the street. the busses run often. On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:31 -0800, Chris Bolton wrote: > Hey guys! I just happened to stumble upon the SF-LUG site and, well, > being a local linux enthusiast decided to send out a mail :). I should > be able to make it this sunday. How many usually show and what does > the group usually do/talk about during these meetups? > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From einfeldt at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 05:05:19 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:05:19 +0100 Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG meeting - Who wants a computer? In-Reply-To: <808794.92112.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1296410055.1872.18.camel@jim-laptop> <808794.92112.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, We could use the 3.0 ghz machine for our Partimus linux schools project. I am in germany with limited internet access until february seventh. On Jan 30, 2011 9:38 PM, "John F. Strazzarino" wrote: > Before you get excited.... > > 800 Mhz, 320MB of RAM and a 30GB hard drive.....oh yeah, the power supply doesn't work. It costs $22 for a new one. > > I also have a 3.0 GHz computer with 512MB of RAM and an 80GB hard drive. I won't load windows (insert your sarcastic comment here) despite my best efforts. I paid $35 for it. > I'll try my favorite flavor of Linux (puppy) to see if that will work. > > If anyone is interested in it, you can email me privately, so that we don't clog the list. > and I can bring it also on Monday. > > John > 415-608-4222 > > --- On Sun, 1/30/11, jim wrote: > > > From: jim > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Hiya > To: "Chris Bolton" > Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:54 AM > > > > a linux enthusiast? great! tell us about things you've > discovered--news, software, other groups.... usually > people listen and often there's someone who adds info. > the upcoming meeting is sunday 20110206 from 11 AM to > 1 PM. > the number of people who show up varies from a few to > up to a dozen, depending on weather, holidays, who's out > of work.... generally we take over some tables that are > around the post that's near the couches. > sometimes people show up with broken or otherwise > funky laptops (one time we got a really big tower with > lots of drives) and ask for help. > topics vary a lot. some people are serious coders, > some are system administrators, some are new to linux, > some have some kind of business interest they're promoting > or fishing for talent. > usually one or two have come early, and afterward > sometimes a few people stay late, finishing conversations. > the cafe enchante has the usual sandwiches, drinks, > bakery goods. parking is kind of clogged on sundays > thanks to the church across the street. the busses run > often. > > > > > > On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:31 -0800, Chris Bolton wrote: >> Hey guys! I just happened to stumble upon the SF-LUG site and, well, >> being a local linux enthusiast decided to send out a mail :). I should >> be able to make it this sunday. How many usually show and what does >> the group usually do/talk about during these meetups? >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ashish.makani at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 12:56:47 2011 From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:56:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] What do you people use to organize your photos both locally and on the web? In-Reply-To: <4D4DB594.9010308@gmail.com> References: <4D4DB594.9010308@gmail.com> Message-ID: picasa ftw ! On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > i'm a late comer to this concept. > > f-stop keeps crashing. > > picassa running locally seems handy and syncs nicely with picasaweb. > > what do you use? > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikkimc at earthlink.net Sat Feb 5 13:05:18 2011 From: mikkimc at earthlink.net (Mikki McGee) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:05:18 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] What do you people use to organize your photos both locally and on the web? In-Reply-To: <4D4DB594.9010308@gmail.com> References: <4D4DB594.9010308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D4DBB8E.9070505@earthlink.net> Hi; After looking at what was available, I decided to do it all "my way." I collect art pictures from museums, and pictures of specimens of a diverse group of living things; and so I upload into a directory called /CAMERA, and sort and edit and same into, for example, /Art/Legion/Statuary. Or into /Arthropoda/Insecta/Lepidoptera, or into /Pictures/Friends. This could get interesting, fi something else comes along Bless All Mikki Michael Shiloh wrote: > i'm a late comer to this concept. > > f-stop keeps crashing. > > picassa running locally seems handy and syncs nicely with picasaweb. > > what do you use? > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akkana at shallowsky.com Sat Feb 5 16:44:32 2011 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:44:32 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] What do you people use to organize your photos both locally and on the web? In-Reply-To: <4D4DBB8E.9070505@earthlink.net> References: <4D4DB594.9010308@gmail.com> <4D4DBB8E.9070505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20110206004432.GE4393@shallowsky.com> Mikki McGee writes: > After looking at what was available, I decided to do it all "my way." > I collect art pictures from museums, and pictures of specimens of a > diverse group of living things; and so I upload into a directory called > /CAMERA, and sort and edit and same into, for example, > /Art/Legion/Statuary. Or into /Arthropoda/Insecta/Lepidoptera, > or into /Pictures/Friends. I tried that, but it got complicated and I gave up -- if I have a photo that has my friend Bill and his dog, do I put duplicate copies in Images/People/Bill and Images/Animals/Dogs? Put the pic in one place and symlink to the other place? I organize photos in directories by year, and within each year I just make descriptive names for upload directories, like Images/2011/RSA-baby-quail if I went on a hike at Rancho San Antonio where I saw a lot of baby quail. Then each of these directories has a Keywords file (just a text file, keyword: file1.jpg file2.jpg ...) and I have a script that can search recursively for keywords. I know, you're probably thinking, "What a lot of wasted effort! [insert favorite big bloated Gnome app or proprietary app] can do all that and has a GUI too!" And probably you're right. But with my way, I can change my filing scheme or the way I access keywords at any time, I can copy any subset of my images to another machine (any platform) at any time, and I never have to worry about how to migrate a database if the program ever stops being maintained or changes its UI in a way I don't like. There are some advantages to the old-school text file approach. ...Akkana From cymraegish at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 18:02:19 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:02:19 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: What do you people use to organize your photos both locally and on the web? In-Reply-To: References: <4D4DB594.9010308@gmail.com> <4D4DBB8E.9070505@earthlink.net> <20110206004432.GE4393@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: [whoops forgot the list] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Brian Morris Date: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] What do you people use to organize your photos both locally and on the web? To: Akkana Peck Keywords created flat files which I don't like much, seems like a (mid) 20th century technology. I have an "Asset Management" program in Mac that is ageing / ailing but really helps a lot, I do wish there was an open source replacement (the newer versions of this program I don't like expensive bloatware). Even with the program I stilll use file/folder system, I like to experiment with organizational schemes, but I only use a few aliases here and there. I have found that most people are challenged to think clearly in two dimensions never mind three -- we mostly live in two dimensions unless we are pilots. I would like to have some running software that assists me in classifying / reclassifying things. I have some toolkits but barely prototypes. I'd be interested in working with others on a hacking project maybe. My desire here at this point not to gui but to have graphical presentation of results and some command line features. This should be scriptable / hackable. Given a current representation of some kind, the program could perhaps present the user with some feedback or assist in further filing. Certainly if I had some better tools my life in Linux would be expanded, I would want the tools to be cross platform though still and cloud solutions for me are out of the question. What I would really like (dream) is software that could work directly with images rather than relying (exclusively) on textual tags. This is not impossible, but for practical purposes I think it requires some (General Purpose) GPU programming ie OpenCL, which is an emerging technology I hope to become involved with. Long story short -- getting real tired of twentieth century (soft) technology. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: > Mikki McGee writes: > > After looking at what was available, I decided to do it all "my way." > > I collect art pictures from museums, and pictures of specimens of a > > diverse group of living things; and so I upload into a directory called > > /CAMERA, and sort and edit and same into, for example, > > /Art/Legion/Statuary. Or into /Arthropoda/Insecta/Lepidoptera, > > or into /Pictures/Friends. > > I tried that, but it got complicated and I gave up -- if I have a > photo that has my friend Bill and his dog, do I put duplicate copies > in Images/People/Bill and Images/Animals/Dogs? Put the pic in one > place and symlink to the other place? > > I organize photos in directories by year, and within each year I > just make descriptive names for upload directories, like > Images/2011/RSA-baby-quail if I went on a hike at Rancho San > Antonio where I saw a lot of baby quail. > > Then each of these directories has a Keywords file (just a text file, > keyword: file1.jpg file2.jpg ...) and I have a script that can > search recursively for keywords. > > I know, you're probably thinking, "What a lot of wasted effort! > [insert favorite big bloated Gnome app or proprietary app] can do > all that and has a GUI too!" And probably you're right. But with > my way, I can change my filing scheme or the way I access keywords > at any time, I can copy any subset of my images to another machine > (any platform) at any time, and I never have to worry about how > to migrate a database if the program ever stops being maintained or > changes its UI in a way I don't like. There are some advantages to > the old-school text file approach. > > ...Akkana > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikkimc at earthlink.net Sat Feb 5 19:35:50 2011 From: mikkimc at earthlink.net (Mikki McGee) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:35:50 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] picture organization Bill and Dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D4E1716.5000907@earthlink.net> Hi all; ( I deleted the messages, and decided then to give the obvious answer. ) I have no problem with that "Bill and Dog" situation. If Bill is more important than the dog, I save with Bill. If the dog is more important, I save with dog. If Bill and Dog are equally important, I copy the picture and save it twice. As very few pictures are so, I add very few megabytes. And as all files are backed up routinely, and often the backed up files are deleted from the main hard drive, it is little problem. My system does let me use the directory as its own index, so I can run down from /document to .../dog quite easily, and find the dang thing quicker than whistling (which rarely works.) Dog is a dog, after all. Bless All Mikki -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Sat Feb 5 19:58:08 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:58:08 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: What do you people use to organize your photos both locally and on the web? In-Reply-To: References: <4D4DB594.9010308@gmail.com> <4D4DBB8E.9070505@earthlink.net> <20110206004432.GE4393@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <1296964688.1838.61.camel@jim-laptop> assume some way of working directly with images rather than with tags. what would be the difference between bill and dog? assume some distinctions. to use them, you're gonna have to learn them, a whole vocabulary that will distinguish between red balls and plaid blankets and will describe every kind of rock, pebble, leaf, scraps of paper and plastic.... i'd rather use tags, but i like mid-twentieth century technology such as flat files, which are simple and take little storage. On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 18:02 -0800, Brian Morris wrote: > [whoops forgot the list] > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Brian Morris > Date: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] What do you people use to organize your photos > both locally and on the web? > To: Akkana Peck > > > Keywords created flat files which I don't like much, seems like a > (mid) 20th century technology. > > I have an "Asset Management" program in Mac that is ageing / ailing > but really helps a lot, I do wish there was an open source replacement > (the newer versions of this program I don't like expensive bloatware). > > Even with the program I stilll use file/folder system, I like to > experiment with organizational schemes, but I only use a few aliases > here and there. I have found that most people are challenged to think > clearly in two dimensions never mind three -- we mostly live in two > dimensions unless we are pilots. > > I would like to have some running software that assists me in > classifying / reclassifying things. I have some toolkits but barely > prototypes. I'd be interested in working with others on a hacking > project maybe. My desire here at this point not to gui but to have > graphical presentation of results and some command line features. This > should be scriptable / hackable. Given a current representation of > some kind, the program could perhaps present the user with some > feedback or assist in further filing. > > Certainly if I had some better tools my life in Linux would be > expanded, I would want the tools to be cross platform though still and > cloud solutions for me are out of the question. > > What I would really like (dream) is software that could work directly > with images rather than relying (exclusively) on textual tags. This is > not impossible, but for practical purposes I think it requires some > (General Purpose) GPU programming ie OpenCL, which is an emerging > technology I hope to become involved with. > > Long story short -- getting real tired of twentieth century (soft) > technology. > > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Akkana Peck > wrote: > Mikki McGee writes: > > After looking at what was available, I decided to do it > all "my way." > > I collect art pictures from museums, and pictures of > specimens of a > > diverse group of living things; and so I upload into a > directory called > > /CAMERA, and sort and edit and same into, for example, > > /Art/Legion/Statuary. Or > into /Arthropoda/Insecta/Lepidoptera, > > or into /Pictures/Friends. > > > I tried that, but it got complicated and I gave up -- if I > have a > photo that has my friend Bill and his dog, do I put duplicate > copies > in Images/People/Bill and Images/Animals/Dogs? Put the pic in > one > place and symlink to the other place? > > I organize photos in directories by year, and within each year > I > just make descriptive names for upload directories, like > Images/2011/RSA-baby-quail if I went on a hike at Rancho San > Antonio where I saw a lot of baby quail. > > Then each of these directories has a Keywords file (just a > text file, > keyword: file1.jpg file2.jpg ...) and I have a script that can > search recursively for keywords. > > I know, you're probably thinking, "What a lot of wasted > effort! > [insert favorite big bloated Gnome app or proprietary app] can > do > all that and has a GUI too!" And probably you're right. But > with > my way, I can change my filing scheme or the way I access > keywords > at any time, I can copy any subset of my images to another > machine > (any platform) at any time, and I never have to worry about > how > to migrate a database if the program ever stops being > maintained or > changes its UI in a way I don't like. There are some > advantages to > the old-school text file approach. > > ...Akkana > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From cymraegish at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 21:02:05 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:02:05 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: What do you people use to organize your photos both locally and on the web? In-Reply-To: <1296964688.1838.61.camel@jim-laptop> References: <4D4DB594.9010308@gmail.com> <4D4DBB8E.9070505@earthlink.net> <20110206004432.GE4393@shallowsky.com> <1296964688.1838.61.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: I recently learned a little about neural net image classification methods. there is a test / training data set consisting of thumbnails of animals, and they got pretty good result asking "which animal is it" (at least 50 kinds to choose from, maybe more). one guy in the ML Noisbridge group tried a little facial recognition, says its hard, so I am not sure you could distinguish Bill as such but you could place him in the category "human" and your dog in the dog category OK to run the training might take a long time but if you have a decent GPU (say from the last couple of years) it could run 20 times faster. The example I saw it was like 30 days vs 24hours, was probably high end GPU; but people with 2008 MacBookPro have gotten 15x speedups almost as good. So for this method we presume you already have a folder structure which you are adding to or picking from. If you want to play, for unsupervised clustering the SOM toolkit which will produce a 2-d visualization of fuzzy boundaried many-dimension clustered groups from unclustered data. Given some starting point there are refinement and extension methods for that. This is not neural net but well studied algorithm that's been around a long time. In many clustering methods supervised or not, you specify how many clusters you want, you do not have to separate out everything in the world. You choose how finely grained you want it, so you can expand the categories as your collection grows. If you do heirarchical clustering then you can have the file system tree structure. Honestly I haven't thought too much about the higher dimensions or the cross-linking references, however I believe that these are equivalent. The problem for me with flat files is it gets messy, or at least hard to find things. Honestly though that old program I use is flat (sequential) except you are allowed labels and you can sort by date, name, type, etc.; unless otherwise you start adding keyword tags. However it uses its own internal db so you are free to do a file system folder system of your own as well independently, which it scans *and* includes in its db. The catalog files are not large, and the program is fast on old computer. At least you have those options and flexibility although you do most of the organizing by hand I find it fairly useful, but it is definitely 1990s (production, not research) technology - not 'smart' in any real sense. If you want to cross-file you can have multiple catalogs of the same stuff and you can drag and drop item selections between catalog windows. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:58 PM, jim wrote: > > assume some way of working directly with images > rather than with tags. what would be the difference > between bill and dog? > They don't look the same. > assume some distinctions. to > use them, you're gonna have to learn them, a whole > vocabulary that will distinguish between red balls > and plaid blankets and will describe every kind of > rock, pebble, leaf, scraps of paper and plastic.... > You can tell them apart easily enough, but fine distinctions usually mean you have some special interest. They don't always require names, I can distinguish many colors and sort them without needing names for them all, nor do I need descriptions only relative comparisons, some way of organizing or structuring the items themselves. > i'd rather use tags, but i like mid-twentieth > century technology such as flat files, which are > simple and take little storage. > > > > On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 18:02 -0800, Brian Morris wrote: > > [whoops forgot the list] > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Brian Morris > > Date: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] What do you people use to organize your photos > > both locally and on the web? > > To: Akkana Peck > > > > > > Keywords created flat files which I don't like much, seems like a > > (mid) 20th century technology. > > > > I have an "Asset Management" program in Mac that is ageing / ailing > > but really helps a lot, I do wish there was an open source replacement > > (the newer versions of this program I don't like expensive bloatware). > > > > Even with the program I stilll use file/folder system, I like to > > experiment with organizational schemes, but I only use a few aliases > > here and there. I have found that most people are challenged to think > > clearly in two dimensions never mind three -- we mostly live in two > > dimensions unless we are pilots. > > > > I would like to have some running software that assists me in > > classifying / reclassifying things. I have some toolkits but barely > > prototypes. I'd be interested in working with others on a hacking > > project maybe. My desire here at this point not to gui but to have > > graphical presentation of results and some command line features. This > > should be scriptable / hackable. Given a current representation of > > some kind, the program could perhaps present the user with some > > feedback or assist in further filing. > > > > Certainly if I had some better tools my life in Linux would be > > expanded, I would want the tools to be cross platform though still and > > cloud solutions for me are out of the question. > > > > What I would really like (dream) is software that could work directly > > with images rather than relying (exclusively) on textual tags. This is > > not impossible, but for practical purposes I think it requires some > > (General Purpose) GPU programming ie OpenCL, which is an emerging > > technology I hope to become involved with. > > > > Long story short -- getting real tired of twentieth century (soft) > > technology. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Akkana Peck > > wrote: > > Mikki McGee writes: > > > After looking at what was available, I decided to do it > > all "my way." > > > I collect art pictures from museums, and pictures of > > specimens of a > > > diverse group of living things; and so I upload into a > > directory called > > > /CAMERA, and sort and edit and same into, for example, > > > /Art/Legion/Statuary. Or > > into /Arthropoda/Insecta/Lepidoptera, > > > or into /Pictures/Friends. > > > > > > I tried that, but it got complicated and I gave up -- if I > > have a > > photo that has my friend Bill and his dog, do I put duplicate > > copies > > in Images/People/Bill and Images/Animals/Dogs? Put the pic in > > one > > place and symlink to the other place? > > > > I organize photos in directories by year, and within each year > > I > > just make descriptive names for upload directories, like > > Images/2011/RSA-baby-quail if I went on a hike at Rancho San > > Antonio where I saw a lot of baby quail. > > > > Then each of these directories has a Keywords file (just a > > text file, > > keyword: file1.jpg file2.jpg ...) and I have a script that can > > search recursively for keywords. > > > > I know, you're probably thinking, "What a lot of wasted > > effort! > > [insert favorite big bloated Gnome app or proprietary app] can > > do > > all that and has a GUI too!" And probably you're right. But > > with > > my way, I can change my filing scheme or the way I access > > keywords > > at any time, I can copy any subset of my images to another > > machine > > (any platform) at any time, and I never have to worry about > > how > > to migrate a database if the program ever stops being > > maintained or > > changes its UI in a way I don't like. There are some > > advantages to > > the old-school text file approach. > > > > ...Akkana > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cymraegish at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 21:24:39 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:24:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] picture organization Bill and Dog In-Reply-To: <4D4E1716.5000907@earthlink.net> References: <4D4E1716.5000907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What if what you want is the one picture of Bill and the Dog together and it has been a year since you have seen them ? The only problem I have with your making the copies is if I decide I am doing something with the picture and I want to clean it up. But links have problems too (hard or soft ? either way can cause problems) . If you have a separate db then you pick the picture from either set, it points to the same file, so editing is ok. I still put copies in favorites folders though. If there is some way to intersect the two categories so as to select items in both categories only when desired then that is good. A smart program given solo picture of each of bill and a particular dog finding pictures of them together On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Mikki McGee wrote: > Hi all; > > ( I deleted the messages, and decided then to give the obvious answer. ) > > I have no problem with that "Bill and Dog" situation. If Bill is more > important than the dog, I save with Bill. If the dog is more important, I > save with dog. If Bill and Dog are equally important, I copy the picture > and save it twice. As very few pictures are so, I add very few megabytes. > And as all files are backed up routinely, and often the backed up files are > deleted from the main hard drive, it is little problem. > > My system does let me use the directory as its own index, so I can run > down from /document to .../dog quite easily, and find the dang thing > quicker than whistling (which rarely works.) Dog is a dog, after all. > > Are all dogs the same for you ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From algoldor at yahoo.com Sat Feb 5 23:56:13 2011 From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:56:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] picture organization Bill and Dog In-Reply-To: References: <4D4E1716.5000907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <109252.60924.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi to All, That is an interesting discussion, I'm recently sorting similar problem. I've got lots of photos from travelling all over the world and because I'm originally MS-DOS command prompt enthusiast, recently terminal newbie (but happy one) I was working with photos organising just on the "fily system" level until now. I'm using already described system of key folders like "usa_2008", "cuba_2009" and within each, more directories from events/trips which I remember and which are distinct. I'm naming each file which makes it through selection as "cold_swimmers_iceberg_fishing_valdez_alaska_fa04072009.jpg" I generally go in the description from exact action to general activity, location and date. Now the problem which was described in the thread already is, what shall I do if I want to make a new presentation, I want to find 5 pictures of see horizon in my databases and I do not want to go folder through folder, file name by file name. Is there some way or system, how to keep my naming style as I've described it and being able to quickly find the key words in the names of interest. Would terminal "find" or whatever else work best, some other options? Preferably no database involved, terminal would be best because it can work on multiple platforms and it is independent. Sincerely, Frantisek ________________________________ From: Brian Morris To: Mikki McGee Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 5:24:39 AM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] picture organization Bill and Dog What if what you want is the one picture of Bill and the Dog together and it has been a year since you have seen them ? The only problem I have with your making the copies is if I decide I am doing something with the picture and I want to clean it up. But links have problems too (hard or soft ? either way can cause problems) . If you have a separate db then you pick the picture from either set, it points to the same file, so editing is ok. I still put copies in favorites folders though. If there is some way to intersect the two categories so as to select items in both categories only when desired then that is good. A smart program given solo picture of each of bill and a particular dog finding pictures of them together On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Mikki McGee wrote: Hi all; > >( I deleted the messages, and decided then to give the obvious answer. ) > >I have no problem with that "Bill and Dog" situation. If Bill is more >important than the dog, I save with Bill. If the dog is more important, I save >with dog. If Bill and Dog are equally important, I copy the picture and save it >twice. As very few pictures are so, I add very few megabytes. And as all >files are backed up routinely, and often the backed up files are deleted from >the main hard drive, it is little problem. > > > My system does let me use the directory as its own index, so I can run down >from /document to .../dog quite easily, and find the dang thing quicker than >whistling (which rarely works.) Dog is a dog, after all. > > Are all dogs the same for you ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Sun Feb 6 08:03:43 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 08:03:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: What do you people use to organize your photos both locally and on the web? In-Reply-To: References: <4D4DB594.9010308@gmail.com> <4D4DBB8E.9070505@earthlink.net> <20110206004432.GE4393@shallowsky.com> <1296964688.1838.61.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1297008223.1838.70.camel@jim-laptop> wow! i usually sneer at software as being too bloated, but this stuff seems interesting. NeXTSTEP came out with a color wheel, i can see using that to specify colors, which would go a long way. i visual classes are coarse, then rock, person, dog, tree, probably as tags, could be mapped to images. i make it a point not to have much stuff, so flatfiles work great for me. still and all, i have to work with others who have tons and tons of stuff, pics, vids, various types of docs, all in big numbers. the bill/dog issue comes up a lot. i dislike the default ~/{Pictures,Videos,Documents...} subdirectories and favor ~/{Vacations,Sports,...} and mainly specific project names for subdirectories, each of which has related vids, sound, image, diagram, text, document... and other files per the event or focus. On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 21:02 -0800, Brian Morris wrote: > I recently learned a little about neural net image classification > methods. > > there is a test / training data set consisting of thumbnails of > animals, and they got pretty good result asking "which animal is > it" (at least 50 kinds to choose from, maybe more). > > one guy in the ML Noisbridge group tried a little facial recognition, > says its hard, > > so I am not sure you could distinguish Bill as such but you could > place him in the category "human" and your dog in the dog category OK > > to run the training might take a long time but if you have a decent > GPU (say from the last couple of years) it could run 20 times faster. > The example I saw it was like 30 days vs 24hours, was probably high > end GPU; but people with 2008 MacBookPro have gotten 15x speedups > almost as good. > > So for this method we presume you already have a folder structure > which you are adding to or picking from. > > If you want to play, > > for unsupervised clustering the SOM toolkit which will produce a 2-d > visualization of fuzzy boundaried many-dimension clustered groups from > unclustered data. Given some starting point there are refinement and > extension methods for that. This is not neural net but well studied > algorithm that's been around a long time. > > In many clustering methods supervised or not, you specify how many > clusters you want, you do not have to separate out everything in the > world. You choose how finely grained you want it, so you can expand > the categories as your collection grows. > > If you do heirarchical clustering then you can have the file system > tree structure. Honestly I haven't thought too much about the higher > dimensions or the cross-linking references, however I believe that > these are equivalent. > > The problem for me with flat files is it gets messy, or at least hard > to find things. Honestly though that old program I use is flat > (sequential) except you are allowed labels and you can sort by date, > name, type, etc.; unless otherwise you start adding keyword tags. > However it uses its own internal db so you are free to do a file > system folder system of your own as well independently, which it scans > *and* includes in its db. The catalog files are not large, and the > program is fast on old computer. At least you have those options and > flexibility although you do most of the organizing by hand I find it > fairly useful, but it is definitely 1990s (production, not research) > technology - not 'smart' in any real sense. If you want to cross-file > you can have multiple catalogs of the same stuff and you can drag and > drop item selections between catalog windows. > > > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:58 PM, jim wrote: > > assume some way of working directly with images > rather than with tags. what would be the difference > between bill and dog? > > They don't look the same. > > > assume some distinctions. to > use them, you're gonna have to learn them, a whole > vocabulary that will distinguish between red balls > and plaid blankets and will describe every kind of > rock, pebble, leaf, scraps of paper and plastic.... > > You can tell them apart easily enough, but fine distinctions usually > mean you have some special interest. They don't always require names, > I can distinguish many colors and sort them without needing names for > them all, nor do I need descriptions only relative comparisons, some > way of organizing or structuring the items themselves. > > > > i'd rather use tags, but i like mid-twentieth > century technology such as flat files, which are > simple and take little storage. > > > > > On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 18:02 -0800, Brian Morris wrote: > > [whoops forgot the list] > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Brian Morris > > Date: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] What do you people use to organize > your photos > > both locally and on the web? > > To: Akkana Peck > > > > > > Keywords created flat files which I don't like much, seems > like a > > (mid) 20th century technology. > > > > I have an "Asset Management" program in Mac that is ageing / > ailing > > but really helps a lot, I do wish there was an open source > replacement > > (the newer versions of this program I don't like expensive > bloatware). > > > > Even with the program I stilll use file/folder system, I > like to > > experiment with organizational schemes, but I only use a few > aliases > > here and there. I have found that most people are challenged > to think > > clearly in two dimensions never mind three -- we mostly live > in two > > dimensions unless we are pilots. > > > > I would like to have some running software that assists me > in > > classifying / reclassifying things. I have some toolkits but > barely > > prototypes. I'd be interested in working with others on a > hacking > > project maybe. My desire here at this point not to gui but > to have > > graphical presentation of results and some command line > features. This > > should be scriptable / hackable. Given a current > representation of > > some kind, the program could perhaps present the user with > some > > feedback or assist in further filing. > > > > Certainly if I had some better tools my life in Linux would > be > > expanded, I would want the tools to be cross platform though > still and > > cloud solutions for me are out of the question. > > > > What I would really like (dream) is software that could work > directly > > with images rather than relying (exclusively) on textual > tags. This is > > not impossible, but for practical purposes I think it > requires some > > (General Purpose) GPU programming ie OpenCL, which is an > emerging > > technology I hope to become involved with. > > > > Long story short -- getting real tired of twentieth century > (soft) > > technology. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Akkana Peck > > > wrote: > > Mikki McGee writes: > > > After looking at what was available, I decided > to do it > > all "my way." > > > I collect art pictures from museums, and pictures > of > > specimens of a > > > diverse group of living things; and so I upload > into a > > directory called > > > /CAMERA, and sort and edit and same into, for > example, > > > /Art/Legion/Statuary. Or > > into /Arthropoda/Insecta/Lepidoptera, > > > or into /Pictures/Friends. > > > > > > I tried that, but it got complicated and I gave up > -- if I > > have a > > photo that has my friend Bill and his dog, do I put > duplicate > > copies > > in Images/People/Bill and Images/Animals/Dogs? Put > the pic in > > one > > place and symlink to the other place? > > > > I organize photos in directories by year, and within > each year > > I > > just make descriptive names for upload directories, > like > > Images/2011/RSA-baby-quail if I went on a hike at > Rancho San > > Antonio where I saw a lot of baby quail. > > > > Then each of these directories has a Keywords file > (just a > > text file, > > keyword: file1.jpg file2.jpg ...) and I have a > script that can > > search recursively for keywords. > > > > I know, you're probably thinking, "What a lot of > wasted > > effort! > > [insert favorite big bloated Gnome app or > proprietary app] can > > do > > all that and has a GUI too!" And probably you're > right. But > > with > > my way, I can change my filing scheme or the way I > access > > keywords > > at any time, I can copy any subset of my images to > another > > machine > > (any platform) at any time, and I never have to > worry about > > how > > to migrate a database if the program ever stops > being > > maintained or > > changes its UI in a way I don't like. There are some > > advantages to > > the old-school text file approach. > > > > ...Akkana > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at > http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From akkana at shallowsky.com Sun Feb 6 09:54:12 2011 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:54:12 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] picture organization Bill and Dog In-Reply-To: <109252.60924.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4D4E1716.5000907@earthlink.net> <109252.60924.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110206175412.GA2280@shallowsky.com> Frantisek Apfelbeck writes: > I'm naming each file which makes it through selection as > "cold_swimmers_iceberg_fishing_valdez_alaska_fa04072009.jpg" I generally go in > the description from exact action to general activity, location and date. Now > the problem which was described in the thread already is, what shall I do if I > want to make a new presentation, I want to find 5 pictures of see horizon in my > databases and I do not want to go folder through folder, file name by file name. > Is there some way or system, how to keep my naming style as I've described it > and being able to quickly find the key words in the names of interest. Would > terminal "find" or whatever else work best, some other options? Preferably no > database involved, terminal would be best because it can work on multiple > platforms and it is independent. If you have "locate" set up on your system, you already have a database of filenames on your system, and all you have to do is locate swimmers | grep alaska if you want to find all your photos that show swimmers in Alaska. You can do the same thing with find, but that does go file by file, folder by folder, and it takes much longer. locate is almost instant. locate is a great app -- if you haven't used it, I highly recommend trying it (it's packaged as "mlocate" on Ubuntu; I don't know what the package named "locate" is or if it's still maintained). It's so much faster and easier than find when all you need is a simple filename search. ...Akkana From einfeldt at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 06:32:59 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:32:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Android Linux on TV! Message-ID: Hi, I love it. How cool to see a slick, cool commercial that tells a clear, compelling story about a Linux-powered computer! http://mashable.com/2011/02/06/its-not-1984-anymore-motorola-xoom-commercial-video/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ideas? cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Information Systems Director, Campus Business Solutions San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ http://cbs.sfsu.edu/ http://is.sfsu.edu/ From cymraegish at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 20:21:23 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 20:21:23 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Android Linux on TV! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Brian Morris Date: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Android Linux on TV! To: Christian Einfeldt Is Android really Linux though, any more than iOS is MacOS (using the same kernels I mean). Has anyone broken out of the Java Jail. (Last I looked every app had to be Java Based). I am pretty much decided on Maemo, I just don't know when I can get some hardware. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > Hi, > > I love it. How cool to see a slick, cool commercial that tells a clear, > compelling story about a Linux-powered computer! > > > http://mashable.com/2011/02/06/its-not-1984-anymore-motorola-xoom-commercial-video/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cymraegish at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 20:30:08 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 20:30:08 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] picture organization Bill and Dog In-Reply-To: <109252.60924.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4D4E1716.5000907@earthlink.net> <109252.60924.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Locate sounds great (actually rather magically). There is room for keywords in jpg metadata if the filenames get too long, but then you do need a program to search it. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote: > Hi to All, > That is an interesting discussion, I'm recently sorting similar problem. > I've got lots of photos from travelling all over the world and because I'm > originally MS-DOS command prompt enthusiast, recently terminal newbie (but > happy one) I was working with photos organising just on the "fily system" > level until now. > > I'm using already described system of key folders like "usa_2008", > "cuba_2009" and within each, more directories from events/trips which I > remember and which are distinct. I'm naming each file which makes it through > selection as "cold_swimmers_iceberg_fishing_valdez_alaska_fa04072009.jpg" I > generally go in the description from exact action to general activity, > location and date. Now the problem which was described in the thread already > is, what shall I do if I want to make a new presentation, I want to find 5 > pictures of see horizon in my databases and I do not want to go folder > through folder, file name by file name. Is there some way or system, how to > keep my naming style as I've described it and being able to quickly find the > key words in the names of interest. Would terminal "find" or whatever else > work best, some other options? Preferably no database involved, terminal > would be best because it can work on multiple platforms and it is > independent. > > Sincerely, > > Frantisek > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brian Morris > *To:* Mikki McGee > *Cc:* sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > *Sent:* Sun, February 6, 2011 5:24:39 AM > *Subject:* Re: [sf-lug] picture organization Bill and Dog > > What if what you want is the one picture of Bill and the Dog together and > it has been a year since you have seen them ? > > The only problem I have with your making the copies is if I decide I am > doing something with the picture and I want to clean it up. But links have > problems too (hard or soft ? either way can cause problems) . If you have a > separate db then you pick the picture from either set, it points to the same > file, so editing is ok. I still put copies in favorites folders though. > > If there is some way to intersect the two categories so as to select items > in both categories only when desired then that is good. A smart program > given solo picture of each of bill and a particular dog finding pictures of > them together > > > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Mikki McGee wrote: > >> Hi all; >> >> ( I deleted the messages, and decided then to give the obvious answer. ) >> >> I have no problem with that "Bill and Dog" situation. If Bill is more >> important than the dog, I save with Bill. If the dog is more important, I >> save with dog. If Bill and Dog are equally important, I copy the picture >> and save it twice. As very few pictures are so, I add very few megabytes. >> And as all files are backed up routinely, and often the backed up files are >> deleted from the main hard drive, it is little problem. >> >> My system does let me use the directory as its own index, so I can run >> down from /document to .../dog quite easily, and find the dang thing >> quicker than whistling (which rarely works.) Dog is a dog, after all. >> >> Are all dogs the same for you ? > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Feb 7 20:31:47 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 20:31:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Android Linux on TV! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110208043147.GJ4076@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Brian Morris (cymraegish at gmail.com): > Is Android really Linux though, any more than iOS is MacOS (using the same > kernels I mean). Less, I'd say. at least iPhone OS use the same libc as does its MacOS ancestor. ;-> I do like my (root-hacked) B&N Nook ebook reader, though, which is an Android device, and I've added a bunch of third-party applications publicised through nookdevs.com . From b79net at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 21:32:39 2011 From: b79net at gmail.com (John Magolske) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 21:32:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] picture organization Bill and Dog In-Reply-To: References: <4D4E1716.5000907@earthlink.net> <109252.60924.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110208053238.GA6038@s70206.gridserver.com> * Brian Morris [110207 20:42]: > There is room for keywords in jpg metadata if the filenames get > too long, but then you do need a program to search it. I was just reading a post on Hacker News [1] discussing tools for dealing with JPEG metadata. The exiv2 "Image metadata manipulation tool" [2] was mentioned. I'd not heard of it before ... seems to be rather capable. [1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2188163 [2] http://www.exiv2.org John -- John Magolske http://B79.net/contact From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 21:47:43 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 21:47:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] turn off all logs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just mount /var/log onto a ramdisk, and forget about them on my usb thumbdrives. I think most other flash memory systems I've seen do something similar -- I use a ramfs, but need to use tmpfs for certain other things like /var/cache/apt/archives because of the complaints of update-manager about no room on a ramfs. The fstab option for ramfs will take a size, and the mount will report it, so you'd think something reasonable could be done by the sytem call to report on size. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: > Is it possible to turn off all logs on a Linux machine? I am thinking > in the context of a system that uses a solid state drive (SD card or > USB stick) and logs are not necessary (i.e. we are not looking at the > logs at all). The possible outcome is that it would help with disk I/O > and perhaps increase the life of the solid state media, although that > doesn't seem to be much of a concern these days. > > Pointers? Ideas? > > cheers, > Sameer > -- > Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. > Associate Professor, Information Systems > Director, Campus Business Solutions > San Francisco State University > http://verma.sfsu.edu/ > http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ > http://cbs.sfsu.edu/ > http://is.sfsu.edu/ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alchaiken at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 22:49:18 2011 From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 22:49:18 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java Message-ID: Claimer: I work for Nokia on the MeeGo (formerly Maemo) project. Brian Morris writes: > Is Android really Linux though, any more than iOS is MacOS (using the same kernels I mean). Android differs more notably from mainline Linux in its use of a Java Virtual Machine to run user-space programs, as noted. However, its kernel is also substantially different from that of mainline Linux, as it uses different interprocess communication, security, shared memory and power management methods. Android represents a substantial fork of the Linux kernel and of Java as well, which is why Oracle is suing Google: http://gigaom.com/2010/10/05/android-swimming-with-the-patent-sharks/ > I am pretty much decided on Maemo, I just don't know when I can get some hardware. Brian, the very last smartphone with Maemo is the N900, which is still available. I'm using an N900 and am happy with it although it is a bit long in the tooth now. New devices will run MeeGo. Here are some resources: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Media_Coverage There's also an article in the March _Linux Journal_. Bottom line is, MeeGo netbook image is quite workable right now on tablets, slates and netbooks that run Atom. You get real xterms (not busybox), good old X11 and a yum-like package manager called zypper that can install emacs, diffutils, gcc, etc. The handset image is not quite ready for prime time yet. There will be more devices after the 1.2 release in May, which coincides with a big free conference in San Francisco: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011 Rick comments; > ?at least iPhone OS use the same libc as does its MacOS ancestor. ?;-> Indeed, besides the differences noted above, Android using a glibc-replacement called Bionic rather than the small-footprint version of glibc called uClibc that embedded Linuxes most commonly choose. > I do like my (root-hacked) B&N Nook ebook reader, though, which is an > Android device, and I've added a bunch of third-party applications > publicised through nookdevs.com . Until recently I was using an HTC G1 unlocked phone and was fairly happy with it, despite its lack of memory. -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ A career in Silicon Valley is just like a chess game, only players can move all the pieces every turn and some of the pawns bite. From eric at ericwalstad.com Tue Feb 8 08:45:39 2011 From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 08:45:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] picture organization Bill and Dog In-Reply-To: <20110208053238.GA6038@s70206.gridserver.com> References: <4D4E1716.5000907@earthlink.net> <109252.60924.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110208053238.GA6038@s70206.gridserver.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:32 PM, John Magolske wrote: > * Brian Morris [110207 20:42]: >> There is room for keywords in jpg metadata if the filenames get >> too long, but then you do need a program to search it. > > I was just reading a post on Hacker News [1] discussing tools for > dealing with JPEG metadata. The exiv2 "Image metadata manipulation > tool" [2] was mentioned. I'd not heard of it before ... seems to be > rather capable. > > [1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2188163 > [2] http://www.exiv2.org > > John Here's some code I wrote to read/write weather data in jpeg image headers[0]. It uses the Python package pyexiv2. Re the ops issue, I think that it's inevitable that the file names will need to be parsed to harvest the keywords/tags from them. If the tags aren't stored in some kind of database, even a flat file, that parsing will need to be run on each search. There are lots of handy command line tools to help automate this but I'd do it with Python and sqlite. Eric. [0] Code on bitbucket: http://snipr.com/1zxach From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 11:54:15 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:54:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> I love my N900 running real(tm) Linux! On 02/07/2011 10:49 PM, Alison Chaiken wrote: > Claimer: I work for Nokia on the MeeGo (formerly Maemo) project. > > Brian Morris writes: >> Is Android really Linux though, any more than iOS is MacOS (using the same kernels I mean). > > Android differs more notably from mainline Linux in its use of a Java > Virtual Machine to run user-space programs, as noted. However, its > kernel is also substantially different from that of mainline Linux, as > it uses different interprocess communication, security, shared memory > and power management methods. Android represents a substantial fork > of the Linux kernel and of Java as well, which is why Oracle is suing > Google: http://gigaom.com/2010/10/05/android-swimming-with-the-patent-sharks/ > >> I am pretty much decided on Maemo, I just don't know when I can get some hardware. > > Brian, the very last smartphone with Maemo is the N900, which is still > available. I'm using an N900 and am happy with it although it is a > bit long in the tooth now. New devices will run MeeGo. Here are > some resources: > > http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Media_Coverage > > There's also an article in the March _Linux Journal_. Bottom line > is, MeeGo netbook image is quite workable right now on tablets, slates > and netbooks that run Atom. You get real xterms (not busybox), good > old X11 and a yum-like package manager called zypper that can install > emacs, diffutils, gcc, etc. > > The handset image is not quite ready for prime time yet. There will > be more devices after the 1.2 release in May, which coincides with a > big free conference in San Francisco: > http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011 > > Rick comments; >> at least iPhone OS use the same libc as does its MacOS ancestor. ;-> > > Indeed, besides the differences noted above, Android using a > glibc-replacement called Bionic rather than the small-footprint > version of glibc called uClibc that embedded Linuxes most commonly > choose. > >> I do like my (root-hacked) B&N Nook ebook reader, though, which is an >> Android device, and I've added a bunch of third-party applications >> publicised through nookdevs.com . > > Until recently I was using an HTC G1 unlocked phone and was fairly > happy with it, despite its lack of memory. > -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 12:40:01 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:40:01 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> References: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> Message-ID: hi, On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > I love my N900 running real(tm) Linux! How do you get access to the Internet with the N900? I am assuming that you need to look for an open wifi network, or use it on your network at home. I have often thought of getting an N900, but the obstacle for me has been the lack of connectivity. I do like Android, because it is the most commercially successful form of Linux, and IMHO we all need to have Linux become commercially significant, or we become irrelevant. Nonetheless, I would like to get an N900 if I could figure out how to get it onto the Internet. I often use my Android phone while on buses and trains, and so I need to have a good connection. I would leave Verizon in a heartbeat if I could believe that I would have a stable connection to the Internet that is as good as the Verizon connection. Verizon, ATT, T-Mobile, Sprint, all of them are evil, because they are trying to lock down the "last mile" of the Internet. I would love to leave them all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 12:51:51 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:51:51 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: References: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D51ACE7.3030004@michaelshiloh.com> My N900 has wifi and I assume it could have connectivity via the cellphone network over GPRS or something faster; I haven't paid for a data plan so I don't know how this works. Wifi works just like you'd expect. You can manually use ifconfig and iwconfig, or there are helpers that store wireless network details and automatically log in with the appropriate password (like the Gnome network-manager or whatever it's called). I recently found a helper that can selectively automatically open a web browser for certain wireless networks, so that you can conveniently log in to networks that require authorization via a web page. I'll probably break down and add the data plan to my cellphone account one of these days. I've heard conflicting rumors about the future of devices that support Maemo/Meego. Perhaps Alison can tell us something without breaking any NDAs? Alison, I want to help with the conference. Where do I sign up? Michael On 02/08/2011 12:40 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi, > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Michael Shiloh > > wrote: > > I love my N900 running real(tm) Linux! > > > How do you get access to the Internet with the N900? I am assuming that > you need to look for an open wifi network, or use it on your network at > home. I have often thought of getting an N900, but the obstacle for me > has been the lack of connectivity. > > I do like Android, because it is the most commercially successful form > of Linux, and IMHO we all need to have Linux become commercially > significant, or we become irrelevant. > > Nonetheless, I would like to get an N900 if I could figure out how to > get it onto the Internet. I often use my Android phone while on buses > and trains, and so I need to have a good connection. I would leave > Verizon in a heartbeat if I could believe that I would have a stable > connection to the Internet that is as good as the Verizon connection. > Verizon, ATT, T-Mobile, Sprint, all of them are evil, because they are > trying to lock down the "last mile" of the Internet. I would love to > leave them all. From cymraegish at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 19:44:01 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:44:01 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: <4D51ACE7.3030004@michaelshiloh.com> References: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> <4D51ACE7.3030004@michaelshiloh.com> Message-ID: I think to use the cell phone you need to get a little thingy (i forget the geekspeek) from the provider which you put in (this uses a standard slot perhaps located behind the battery, for generic phones) So it hooks up to their network and uses a certain protocol whatever standard they use. After that 3G, 4G I am not sure but I think the N900 does 3G max... Anyway thanks for the info, I have pondered the N900 seen on Ebay and considered the design but seeing that indeed it needs a hardware update. I really like the design though. I may still get one, money is tight for me but we'll see. Anybody upgrades, keep me in mind to buy your old N900 when the time comes to replace it. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > My N900 has wifi and I assume it could have connectivity via the cellphone > network over GPRS or something faster; I haven't paid for a data plan so I > don't know how this works. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 19:50:19 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:50:19 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: References: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> <4D51ACE7.3030004@michaelshiloh.com> Message-ID: <4D520EFB.80300@michaelshiloh.com> Oh yeah, that thingy. The SIM card. I simply took it out of my old phone and put it in my N900. Came right up. Most phones are locked to a particular carrier. If you buy a phone from Tmobile it will only work with Tmobile SIM cards, etc. Not so the N900. It is, by default, unlocked. M On 02/08/2011 07:44 PM, Brian Morris wrote: > I think to use the cell phone you need to get a little thingy (i forget > the geekspeek) from the provider which you put in (this uses a standard > slot perhaps located behind the battery, for generic phones) So it hooks > up to their network and uses a certain protocol whatever standard they > use. After that 3G, 4G I am not sure but I think the N900 does 3G max... > > Anyway thanks for the info, I have pondered the N900 seen on Ebay and > considered the design but seeing that indeed it needs a hardware update. > I really like the design though. I may still get one, money is tight for > me but we'll see. > > Anybody upgrades, keep me in mind to buy your old N900 when the time > comes to replace it. > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Michael Shiloh > > wrote: > > My N900 has wifi and I assume it could have connectivity via the > cellphone network over GPRS or something faster; I haven't paid for > a data plan so I don't know how this works. > > From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 19:53:44 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:53:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: <4D520EFB.80300@michaelshiloh.com> References: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> <4D51ACE7.3030004@michaelshiloh.com> <4D520EFB.80300@michaelshiloh.com> Message-ID: hi, On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > Oh yeah, that thingy. The SIM card. I simply took it out of my old phone > and put it in my N900. Came right up. > > Most phones are locked to a particular carrier. If you buy a phone from > Tmobile it will only work with Tmobile SIM cards, etc. > > Not so the N900. It is, by default, unlocked. > Wow, does this mean that I could use the N900 on Verizon Wireless? Have you ever used your n900 on Verizon? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 20:00:57 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:00:57 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: References: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> <4D51ACE7.3030004@michaelshiloh.com> <4D520EFB.80300@michaelshiloh.com> Message-ID: <4D521179.1020605@michaelshiloh.com> It only works on networks that use a SIM card. I don't know if Verizon uses a SIM card. You can buy a SIM card from ATT, and probably from Tmobile as well. I think you can get a fixed amount of money on it with no commitment to a monthly account. I did that many years ago when I was testing phones. I can't remember the details, but I do remember that the store clerk first told me that it was impossible, and then later discovered that it was entirely possible. On 02/08/2011 07:53 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi, > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Michael Shiloh > > wrote: > > Oh yeah, that thingy. The SIM card. I simply took it out of my old > phone and put it in my N900. Came right up. > > Most phones are locked to a particular carrier. If you buy a phone > from Tmobile it will only work with Tmobile SIM cards, etc. > > Not so the N900. It is, by default, unlocked. > > > Wow, does this mean that I could use the N900 on Verizon Wireless? Have > you ever used your n900 on Verizon? From steve at theProfessionalAmateur.com Tue Feb 8 21:06:56 2011 From: steve at theProfessionalAmateur.com (Steve Castellotti) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:06:56 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: <4D521179.1020605@michaelshiloh.com> References: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> <4D51ACE7.3030004@michaelshiloh.com> <4D520EFB.80300@michaelshiloh.com> <4D521179.1020605@michaelshiloh.com> Message-ID: <1297228016.2354.17.camel@odyssey.sc.user.nz.vpn> I've had a Nokia N900 since it was released last November. It will operate on any GSM network, such as AT&T or T-Mobile. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA, so you can't use it with either of those. It is 3G, sometimes reading "3.5G" though I am unclear on the distinction. I have a month-to-month plan (no contract) with T-Mobile which has somewhere between 500 and 1000 voice minutes (not sure as I've never exhausted them all for any given month), plus unlimited internet and txt messaging. It costs me around $60/mo. When I travel overseas I swap out the SIM card for a local carrier (often prepaid) and I'm good to go. For the moment it is exactly the perfect phone for what I need, which includes some occasional mobile development work. I'm a decade-long Python coder and lately a Qt fan (since the LGPL license change), which together are this phone's bread-and-butter. I am hoping for a hardware refresh when Meego is a bit further along, but in the mean time I don't miss iOS and am holding out for the next crop of tablets to take another look at Android. Cheers Steve On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 20:00 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: > It only works on networks that use a SIM card. I don't know if Verizon > uses a SIM card. > > You can buy a SIM card from ATT, and probably from Tmobile as well. I > think you can get a fixed amount of money on it with no commitment to a > monthly account. I did that many years ago when I was testing phones. I > can't remember the details, but I do remember that the store clerk first > told me that it was impossible, and then later discovered that it was > entirely possible. > > On 02/08/2011 07:53 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > hi, > > > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Michael Shiloh > > > wrote: > > > > Oh yeah, that thingy. The SIM card. I simply took it out of my old > > phone and put it in my N900. Came right up. > > > > Most phones are locked to a particular carrier. If you buy a phone > > from Tmobile it will only work with Tmobile SIM cards, etc. > > > > Not so the N900. It is, by default, unlocked. > > > > > > Wow, does this mean that I could use the N900 on Verizon Wireless? Have > > you ever used your n900 on Verizon? > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Feb 8 21:28:34 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 21:28:34 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: <1297228016.2354.17.camel@odyssey.sc.user.nz.vpn> References: <4D519F67.4010208@gmail.com> <4D51ACE7.3030004@michaelshiloh.com> <4D520EFB.80300@michaelshiloh.com> <4D521179.1020605@michaelshiloh.com> <1297228016.2354.17.camel@odyssey.sc.user.nz.vpn> Message-ID: <20110209052834.GR4076@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Steve Castellotti (steve at theProfessionalAmateur.com): > It is 3G, sometimes reading "3.5G" though I am unclear on the > distinction. '3G' in practice approximates 'uses spread-spectrum better than EDGE does', resulting in better effective bandwidth under more conditions. (I simplify, and, if we're lucky, I haven't just invited someone to barge into the conversation to quibble using a six-month supply of acronyms.) '3.5G', '3.9G', and '4G' are basically marketing fluff without consensual meaning, though some will argue, most of those being people with (figurative or literal) investment in one or another of various vendor schemes to claim 1 Gbit/s in stationary operation and 100 Mbit/s for mobile. From alchaiken at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 21:51:05 2011 From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 21:51:05 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java Message-ID: Michael writes: > I've heard conflicting rumors about the future of devices that support Maemo/Meego. There are 3 devices shipping right now with MeeGo (two tablets and a set-top box). More will be announced at Mobile World Congress starting this weekend. As far as I know, there will be no further devices shipped with Maemo, although Maemo is fully open sourced and there is nothing to prevent anyone from putting it on any device they want, as with any other Linux distro. > Alison, I want to help with the conference. Where do I sign up? I recommend signing up for the meego-events mailing list: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-events I connect my N900 via the T-Mo "Even More Plus" plan, which is a better deal for heavy data users than anything advertised on the T-Mobile website. To get EMP, you must call up and inquire for it by name. I learned about EMP by listening to the wonderful "Engadget Mobile" podcast and by reading tnkgrl's website. Connecting via WiFi, as others have related, is no problem. To debug your wifi on N900, drop to shell and try a ping, or run "dmesg | grep wlan"! > After that 3G, 4G I am not sure but I think the N900 does 3G max... The only 4G phone on the market right now is the Sprint Evo that runs WiMax. There are no LTE phones yet. The current advertising about 4G is pure BS. N900 runs on any GSM network (meaning T-Mo, AT&T and overseas) and supports HSPA+, which is widely available in the Bay Area and quite reasonably fast: http://twitter.com/tnkgrl/status/26395546205 > Anyway thanks for the info, I have pondered the N900 seen on Ebay and > considered the design but seeing that indeed it needs a hardware update. Yes! The N900 is 18 months old. > Anybody upgrades, keep me in mind to buy your old N900 when the time comes > to replace it. When MeeGo handsets start to ship, N900s will be very cheap. -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ A career in Silicon Valley is just like a chess game, only players can move all the pieces every turn and some of the pawns bite. From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 09:32:31 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 09:32:31 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D52CFAF.40304@gmail.com> Thanks for the report. I am already on the Meego mailing list but haven't read it closely enough lately. I shall pay more attention, and I look forward to meeting you at the conference. Thanks for your advice re Tmo's EMP. I will look into that. How much does it cost, roughly? Can you tell us when we might expect MeeGo handsets? If anyone would like, I'd be happy to allow you to play with my N900. Unfortunately I teach at the Crucible Sunday mornings and can't come to the regular sf-lug meeting. But I do run an Arduino workshop at my studio in Berkeley Tuesday evenings and you all are welcome to come to that, whether to play with Arduino or N900. Details upon request (so as not to shamelessly promote). Alison mentions international. I have used my N900 in the UK and it worked seamlessly. For awhile I just used it on wifi (skype!) and then I bought a pay-as-you-go local SIM card and it worked fine including data, although it did require the store clerk to send me (via SMS) a special configuration which was a little tricky. Since the N900 was not for sale, it required a clerk who knew that the N900 was the same as some other Nokia, and he sent me the config for that phone. That reminds me, I _did_ use data on my N900, when I was in the UK! It was great. Maps, google, skype: it all worked. On 02/08/2011 09:51 PM, Alison Chaiken wrote: > Michael writes: >> I've heard conflicting rumors about the future of devices that support Maemo/Meego. > > There are 3 devices shipping right now with MeeGo (two tablets and a > set-top box). More will be announced at Mobile World Congress > starting this weekend. As far as I know, there will be no further > devices shipped with Maemo, although Maemo is fully open sourced and > there is nothing to prevent anyone from putting it on any device they > want, as with any other Linux distro. > >> Alison, I want to help with the conference. Where do I sign up? > > I recommend signing up for the meego-events mailing list: > http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-events > > I connect my N900 via the T-Mo "Even More Plus" plan, which is a > better deal for heavy data users than anything advertised on the > T-Mobile website. To get EMP, you must call up and inquire for it by > name. I learned about EMP by listening to the wonderful "Engadget > Mobile" podcast and by reading tnkgrl's website. Connecting via > WiFi, as others have related, is no problem. To debug your wifi on > N900, drop to shell and try a ping, or run "dmesg | grep wlan"! > >> After that 3G, 4G I am not sure but I think the N900 does 3G max... > > The only 4G phone on the market right now is the Sprint Evo that runs > WiMax. There are no LTE phones yet. The current advertising > about 4G is pure BS. N900 runs on any GSM network (meaning T-Mo, > AT&T and overseas) and supports HSPA+, which is widely available in > the Bay Area and quite reasonably fast: > > http://twitter.com/tnkgrl/status/26395546205 > >> Anyway thanks for the info, I have pondered the N900 seen on Ebay and >> considered the design but seeing that indeed it needs a hardware update. > > Yes! The N900 is 18 months old. > >> Anybody upgrades, keep me in mind to buy your old N900 when the time comes >> to replace it. > > When MeeGo handsets start to ship, N900s will be very cheap. > -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com From cymraegish at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 21:21:59 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:21:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Recommendations ? Message-ID: I want a place to create a very simple (independent) website specialized to put up samples of my technical writing, and links to related FOSS software and other references. Can anyone recommend something that will not charge or will be a few dollars a month. (based on usage I suppose). Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Info: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/pricing -- Romel From ccahua at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 02:04:20 2011 From: ccahua at gmail.com (Tony) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:04:20 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Subject: Re: Mobile Linux, glibc, Java Message-ID: Is mobile linux at Nokia finnished? http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2011/feb11/02-11partnership.mspx i was so looking fwd to the next N-series of internet tablets and the progression of mobile Meego Hopefully this is not an Oracle setting Sun Ugh. -- Best, tony From grantbow at ubuntu.com Fri Feb 11 10:25:08 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:25:08 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu Developer Week via IRC coming Feb 28th Message-ID: For those interested in talking about Ubuntu online during this live event or learning about how to participate in development this should be interesting. Past logs of IRC events for Ubuntu Developer Week, Ubuntu User Days and other events are also available including the logs of California Ubuntu Local Community team meetings held every other Sunday night at 7PM. To subscribe to future notices follow the links at the bottom to join the ubuntu-devel-announce email list. Cheers, Grant Bowman ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel Holbach Date: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:04 AM Subject: Get ready for Ubuntu Developer Week To: ubuntu-devel-announce at lists.ubuntu.com Hello everybody, I'm very happy to announce Ubuntu Developer Week again. It's going to happen from 28th February to 4th March. As always we have a great line-up of speakers and sessions, here's a few examples of what we are going to talk about: ?* Getting Started with Ubuntu Development, how to use Ubuntu ? Distributed Development, how to get changes into Ubuntu, how to make ? changes in stable releases, how to collaborate with Debian, getting ? new apps into Ubuntu, ? ?* Rocking with Unity: fixing bitesize bugs in Unity, how to write ? compiz plugins, rocking out with libunity, ? ?* Lots of development goodness: Ubuntu One App Programme, hooking in ? Ubuntu translations, writing IRC bots, using Zeitgeist, what?s new ? in ubuntu-dev-tools, project lightning talks, how to use TestDrive ? ?* Get up to speed on what?s new in Ubuntu natty: Unity 2D, Q&A with ? Ubuntu Engineering Director, ARM and OMAP4, ? ?* Lots of other good stuff: helping out the LoCo Directory, hacking ? with Django, how to get better bug reports, boto EC2 Cloud API, ? using Launchpad?s Daily Builds, ? Join #ubuntu-classroom on irc.freenode.net from 28th Feb to 4th Mar and check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek for more information. Have a great day, ?Daniel -- Join Ubuntu Developer Week, February 28th - March 4th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek -- ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list ubuntu-devel-announce at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce From nbs at sonic.net Fri Feb 11 17:11:09 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:11:09 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, Feb. 21: "Introduction to IPv6 Socket Programming" Message-ID: <201102120111.p1C1B9Rr010673@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting this month: Monday February 21, 2011 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "Introduction to IPv6 Socket Programming" Owen DeLong, Hurricane Electric Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is an Internet Layer protocol for packet-switched internetworks, meant to succeed the current IPv4 (which will run out of addresses in the near future). This talk will be an introduction to porting applications from IPv4-only to IPv4/IPv6 dual-stack, and will include working code examples. About the Speaker: Owen DeLong is an IPv6 Evangelist at Hurricane Electric, the leading IPv6 Provider. He is also a member of the ARIN Advisory Council. He brings over 20 years of experience in TCP/IP networking and UNIX systems administration. In addition, he is also an Open Water SCUBA Instructor, a Commercial Pilot, and holds a level 2 High Power Rocketry certification. This meeting will be held at: Explorit Nature Center 3141 5th Street Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From cymraegish at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 17:40:33 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:40:33 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Subject: Re: Mobile Linux, glibc, Java In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think that there is a basic problem for (real) linux on smartphones, which is the lack of an open hardware platform. Linux is very lucky that the pc is... I don't believe that this move by Microsoft will be successful. Unless Nokia really puts their might behind it. Nokia is #1 in (dumb) cell phones worldwide and doing well for now but worried about the future. Versus Microsoft is already in a heap of trouble, the company value has fallen substantially and they have 20billion+ in debt versus Apple's 40billion in the bank. Apple could almost probably buy Microsoft and shut down the phone deal. If there were any threat and I doubt strongly that there will be. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Tony wrote: > Is mobile linux at Nokia finnished? > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2011/feb11/02-11partnership.mspx > > i was so looking fwd to the next N-series of internet tablets and the > progression of mobile Meego > > Hopefully this is not an Oracle setting Sun > > Ugh. > > > > > -- > Best, > tony > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss at sfo.com Sat Feb 12 13:29:21 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 13:29:21 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] WINE passes! CrossOver is the new Not a Windows EmulatorRe: Newsletter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got this out for a friend then decided to pass it along, On 02/12/2011 12:01 PM, Kevin Hopkins wrote: > Hi Bobby. I'm working on this month's newsletter. Anything happening > of interest in the Linux world I can pass on to my guys? I think the new CrossOver story is very ripe and aimed at wide readership. *CrossOver Impersonator simplifies running Windows software on Mac and Linux* Feb 12, 2011, 11 :02 UTC (0 Talkback[s] ) (1804 reads) (Other stories by Tom Wickline ) http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2011021200335NWGMSW CrossOver is a successor/beneficiary to WINE inheriting all the patches and the rest of what was learned by WINE developers and users. If CrossOver is as good as described then being able to run Windows proprietary programs will aid Linux penetration of the user market. later bliss From mikkimc at earthlink.net Mon Feb 14 09:19:09 2011 From: mikkimc at earthlink.net (Mikki McGee) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:19:09 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Desired: Recent CD of Ubuntu, LTS for Monday next for Asus eee 1000HE Message-ID: <4D59640D.7040307@earthlink.net> Hi, all; I am very tired of eeeBuntu, which seems not very intuitive to me. I have an Asus eee PC 1000HE and wish to upgrade to a real "Ubuntu format screen." I have a Canonical 8.04 Desktop edition CD, that worked marvelously as long as the laptop computers did (poor computers didn't last long!! Which is why the eee) If any one has had experience with that, please note it? Bless All Mikki -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akkana at shallowsky.com Mon Feb 14 10:01:28 2011 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:01:28 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Desired: Recent CD of Ubuntu, LTS for Monday next for Asus eee 1000HE In-Reply-To: <4D59640D.7040307@earthlink.net> References: <4D59640D.7040307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20110214180128.GA2904@shallowsky.com> Mikki McGee writes: > I have an Asus eee PC 1000HE and wish to upgrade to a real "Ubuntu > format screen." > > I have a Canonical 8.04 Desktop edition CD, that worked marvelously I'd advise against upgrading to something 2.5 years old. With apps that old, if anything goes wrong, it's hard to get help because nobody else has the version you're running. 10.04 (also an LTS) generally works well on netbooks (maybe someone with that specific Eee model can comment) and is still well supported. ...Akkana From jim at well.com Mon Feb 14 10:26:31 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:26:31 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Desired: Recent CD of Ubuntu, LTS for Monday next for Asus eee 1000HE In-Reply-To: <4D59640D.7040307@earthlink.net> References: <4D59640D.7040307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1297707991.2397.27.camel@jim-laptop> I'm using ubuntu 10.04 and like it okay and have at least one extra CD lying around. On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 09:19 -0800, Mikki McGee wrote: > Hi, all; > > I am very tired of eeeBuntu, which seems not very intuitive to > me. > > I have an Asus eee PC 1000HE and wish to upgrade to a real > "Ubuntu format screen." > > I have a Canonical 8.04 Desktop edition CD, that worked > marvelously as long as the laptop computers did (poor computers didn't > last long!! Which is why the eee) > > If any one has had experience with that, please note it? > > > Bless All > > > Mikki > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From einfeldt at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 12:48:35 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:48:35 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] hub or switch for a teacher Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone have an extra hub or switch that they could give to one of our teachers? 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Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to announce or fully publicise the speaker (that's happened at least twice in the past five or so years). Got questions, answers, and/or opinions? We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) present to cover LINUX and related topic areas. Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics? Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish. Want to help ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings? Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker coordinators. Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to be had. So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, February 15th, 2011 2011-02-15 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org http://www.balug.org/ From wellmanron at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 13:31:53 2011 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:31:53 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Desired: Recent CD of Ubuntu, LTS for Monday next for Asus eee 1000HE Message-ID: Jim' I'll trade you a copy of 10.10 for your copy of 10.04. ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:26 AM, jim wrote: > > I'm using ubuntu 10.04 and like it okay and > have at least one extra CD lying around. > > > On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 09:19 -0800, Mikki McGee wrote: > > Hi, all; > > > > I am very tired of eeeBuntu, which seems not very intuitive to > > me. > > > > I have an Asus eee PC 1000HE and wish to upgrade to a real > > "Ubuntu format screen." > > > > I have a Canonical 8.04 Desktop edition CD, that worked > > marvelously as long as the laptop computers did (poor computers didn't > > last long!! Which is why the eee) > > > > If any one has had experience with that, please note it? > > > > > > Bless All > > > > > > Mikki > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Mon Feb 14 13:49:08 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:49:08 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Desired: Recent CD of Ubuntu, LTS for Monday next for Asus eee 1000HE In-Reply-To: References: <4D59640D.7040307@earthlink.net> <1297707991.2397.27.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1297720148.1948.2.camel@jim-laptop> Not only Xwindows but wifi and possibly a few other sub-systems. Best thing, seems to me, is to try a 10.04 live CD on it and see what happens. My guess is that there are solutions that will make things work, though I'm not guessing as to how immediately. On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 13:35 -0800, Ken Shaffer wrote: > I think you might have problems with the X server defaults and the odd > screen size of the netbooks on the older distributions. I think 9.10 > was the first dist that worked out of the box on my msi netbook. > Lucid would be a long term supported release and would be what I > recommend. > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:26 AM, jim wrote: > > I'm using ubuntu 10.04 and like it okay and > have at least one extra CD lying around. > > > > On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 09:19 -0800, Mikki McGee wrote: > > Hi, all; > > > > I am very tired of eeeBuntu, which seems not very > intuitive to > > me. > > > > I have an Asus eee PC 1000HE and wish to upgrade to a > real > > "Ubuntu format screen." > > > > I have a Canonical 8.04 Desktop edition CD, that worked > > marvelously as long as the laptop computers did (poor > computers didn't > > last long!! Which is why the eee) > > > > If any one has had experience with that, please note it? > > > > > > Bless All > > > > > > Mikki > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From jim at well.com Mon Feb 14 13:51:38 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:51:38 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Desired: Recent CD of Ubuntu, LTS for Monday next for Asus eee 1000HE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1297720298.1948.5.camel@jim-laptop> I'll loan you my 10.04 CD so you can make a copy. (I don't like media made on user computers as my experiences with such are spotty.) I already have a 10.10 CD so the trade isn't meaningful for me. On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 13:31 -0800, ron wellman wrote: > Jim' > > I'll trade you a copy of 10.10 for your copy of 10.04. > > ron > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From anetdunne at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 14:28:28 2011 From: anetdunne at gmail.com (anet dunne) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:28:28 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Desired: Recent CD of Ubuntu, LTS for Monday next for Asus eee 1000HE In-Reply-To: <1297720298.1948.5.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1297720298.1948.5.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: I use an Acer netbook and Ubuntu Netbook Remix ( http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook) works great with the screen size and Atom processor. It was pretty easy to set up using a USB drive, and the interface is sized just right for a netbook screen. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM, jim wrote: > > I'll loan you my 10.04 CD so you can make a > copy. 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URL: From grantbow at ubuntu.com Tue Feb 15 03:35:00 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:35:00 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] hub or switch for a teacher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > Does anyone have an extra hub or switch that they could give to one of our > teachers? ?This teacher is one of our primary Linux advocates in the school, > and so it would be great if we could help her out with a switch or hub. I will be in SF on Wednesday with a 5-port switch for that teacher. Grant From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 08:48:41 2011 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:48:41 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] hub or switch for a teacher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Grant Bowman wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Christian Einfeldt > wrote: > > Does anyone have an extra hub or switch that they could give to one of > our > > teachers? . > > I will be in SF on Wednesday with a 5-port switch for that teacher. > Thanks Grant! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists: members at penlug.org announce at penlug.org sf-lug at linuxmafia.com balug-talk at lists.balug.org svlug at lists.svlug.org svevents at yahoogroups.com vox at lists.lugod.org Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes. From jim at well.com Wed Feb 16 14:09:15 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:09:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1297894155.1763.59.camel@jim-laptop> I'm replying separately to the sf-lug list and will also reply separately to the other lists-- it often creates problems to send mail to multiple lists because if a member of one list replies to all, that email goes to the other lists, and if the sender is not also a member of the other lists, the list administrators have to deal with a non-member's attempt to post. The only sense I can make is that the AT&T device(s) expect to communicate with some client software that the users must install on their computers. I can't believe that's real--how would someone's guest use the wifi? and how about gran'ma and little billy? It seems to me that her ubuntu laptop ought to see the wifi and work with it. what would disable the connect button? oh, and speaking of gran'ma and little billy, my band, the nubs, is playing at the Retox Lounge on 20th at 3rd in San Francisco at 8:30 PM this Sunday, 2/20. KUSF had our CD as number one for SF local bands. we're punk rock, loud and brash, but kind of fun. we're trying to figure out how to use linux on a laptop as a midi controller. On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 20:57 +0000, Jackie Barshak wrote: > I just moved into a new flat in San Francisco and called AT&T to > deliver a wireless modem and router. But since I set it up I haven't > been able to connect the wifi.. The Linksys E1000 wireless-N Router > has at its minimum system requirements internet explorer 6 Safari 3 or > Firefox 2 and a running Windows XP SP3 for a PC. I bought this > computer in India without a genuine copy of Microsoft installed. It's > the practice there to install pirated copies of MS Windows, While I > was there I didn't have trouble with Windows but when I returned to > San Francisco in the fall I was finally almost shut down by MS. That's > when I learned about and installed Linux. Now I have extremely > limited use of MS and they don't allow me to run updates or save > anything in memory. I don't think I am even operating with Explorer > 6. > > The AT&T tech support person that came out said the problem is that I > don't have a Microsoft Service pack higher than a 2 and that I need > at least a 3. And for that reason my wifi can't connect. But I should > have the wi-fi on my ubuntu program, right I asked. He said that the > Router is incompatable with Linux and that I need a dedicated Linux > router. One Linux user tells me that's nonsense. > > Let me tell you what happens when I open Ubuntu. I click the wi-fi > icon and find my wi-fi account name. A dialog box appears requesting > that I enter my password. I use the password that AT&T gave me but > the connect button is whited out so I can't click on it. > > Please call if you can help, 415.242.1307. > > Jackie > > > From bliss at sfo.com Wed Feb 16 14:20:19 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:20:19 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless In-Reply-To: <1297894155.1763.59.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1297894155.1763.59.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: On 02/16/2011 02:09 PM, jim wrote: > I'm replying separately to the sf-lug list and > will also reply separately to the other lists-- it > often creates problems to send mail to multiple > lists because if a member of one list replies to all, > that email goes to the other lists, and if the > sender is not also a member of the other lists, the > list administrators have to deal with a non-member's > attempt to post. > > The only sense I can make is that the AT&T device(s) > expect to communicate with some client software that > the users must install on their computers. I can't > believe that's real--how would someone's guest use the > wifi? and how about gran'ma and little billy? > It seems to me that her ubuntu laptop ought to see > the wifi and work with it. what would disable the > connect button? > > oh, and speaking of gran'ma and little billy, my > band, the nubs, is playing at the Retox Lounge on 20th > at 3rd in San Francisco at 8:30 PM this Sunday, 2/20. > KUSF had our CD as number one for SF local bands. we're > punk rock, loud and brash, but kind of fun. we're trying > to figure out how to use linux on a laptop as a midi > controller. > > > > On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 20:57 +0000, Jackie Barshak wrote: > >> I just moved into a new flat in San Francisco and called AT&T to >> deliver a wireless modem and router. But since I set it up I haven't >> been able to connect the wifi.. The Linksys E1000 wireless-N Router >> has at its minimum system requirements internet explorer 6 Safari 3 or >> Firefox 2 and a running Windows XP SP3 for a PC. I bought this >> computer in India without a genuine copy of Microsoft installed. It's >> the practice there to install pirated copies of MS Windows, While I >> was there I didn't have trouble with Windows but when I returned to >> San Francisco in the fall I was finally almost shut down by MS. That's >> when I learned about and installed Linux. Now I have extremely >> limited use of MS and they don't allow me to run updates or save >> anything in memory. I don't think I am even operating with Explorer >> 6. >> >> The AT&T tech support person that came out said the problem is that I >> don't have a Microsoft Service pack higher than a 2 and that I need >> at least a 3. And for that reason my wifi can't connect. But I should >> have the wi-fi on my ubuntu program, right I asked. He said that the >> Router is incompatable with Linux and that I need a dedicated Linux >> router. One Linux user tells me that's nonsense. >> >> Let me tell you what happens when I open Ubuntu. I click the wi-fi >> icon and find my wi-fi account name. A dialog box appears requesting >> that I enter my password. I use the password that AT&T gave me but >> the connect button is whited out so I can't click on it. >> >> Please call if you can help, 415.242.1307. >> >> Jackie >> >> >> >> > I had a problem with ATT recently and switched to DSLExtreme and that solved my problem with ATT. Now do you have the LinkSys documents? Perhaps it can be configured to work with your system. Finally I have a NetGear that I got second-hand a few weeks ago and it should work when properly configured, `Then you could sell the Windows restricted tool on Craigs list. later bliss From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Wed Feb 16 14:24:11 2011 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 16 Feb 2011 17:24:11 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless Message-ID: <1485195132.1297895051484.JavaMail.cfservice@sl3app2> I would disable WEP or WPA or whatever on the router and try to connecct that way. If it works you know the issue is with the password being entered. The router does not require SP3 or any of the other BS that service tech told you. The software that they want you to install (usually a Yahoo disk or something, requires that stuff.) But it isnt needed. I have used that router and modem with Ubuntu, mint, puppy linux, Suse, windows XP, Vista, and 7... No problems. Never installed any 3rd party or extra software than what was built into the OS. Blake Haggerty Permanent Placement Specialist Sapphire Technologies U.S., a Randstad company 27 Maiden Lane San Francisco, CA 94108 (p) (415) 788-8488 (f) (415) 788-2592 www.sapphirena.com -----Original Message----- From:jim jim at well.com To: "Jackie Barshak" ; Cc: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" ; Sent: Feb 16, 2011 02:10:00 PM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless I'm replying separately to the sf-lug list and will also reply separately to the other lists-- it often creates problems to send mail to multiple lists because if a member of one list replies to all, that email goes to the other lists, and if the sender is not also a member of the other lists, the list administrators have to deal with a non-member's attempt to post. The only sense I can make is that the AT&T device(s) expect to communicate with some client software that the users must install on their computers. I can't believe that's real--how would someone's guest use the wifi? and how about gran'ma and little billy? It seems to me that her ubuntu laptop ought to see the wifi and work with it. what would disable the connect button? oh, and speaking of gran'ma and little billy, my band, the nubs, is playing at the Retox Lounge on 20th at 3rd in San Francisco at 8:30 PM this Sunday, 2/20. KUSF had our CD as number one for SF local bands. we're punk rock, loud and brash, but kind of fun. we're trying to figure out how to use linux on a laptop as a midi controller. On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 20:57 +0000, Jackie Barshak wrote: > I just moved into a new flat in San Francisco and called AT&T to > deliver a wireless modem and router. But since I set it up I haven't > been able to connect the wifi.. The Linksys E1000 wireless-N Router > has at its minimum system requirements internet explorer 6 Safari 3 or > Firefox 2 and a running Windows XP SP3 for a PC. I bought this > computer in India without a genuine copy of Microsoft installed. It's > the practice there to install pirated copies of MS Windows, While I > was there I didn't have trouble with Windows but when I returned to > San Francisco in the fall I was finally almost shut down by MS. That's > when I learned about and installed Linux. Now I have extremely > limited use of MS and they don't allow me to run updates or save > anything in memory. I don't think I am even operating with Explorer > 6. > > The AT&T tech support person that came out said the problem is that I > don't have a Microsoft Service pack higher than a 2 and that I need > at least a 3. And for that reason my wifi can't connect. But I should > have the wi-fi on my ubuntu program, right I asked. He said that the > Router is incompatable with Linux and that I need a dedicated Linux > router. One Linux user tells me that's nonsense. > > Let me tell you what happens when I open Ubuntu. I click the wi-fi > icon and find my wi-fi account name. A dialog box appears requesting > that I enter my password. I use the password that AT&T gave me but > the connect button is whited out so I can't click on it. > > Please call if you can help, 415.242.1307. > > Jackie > > > _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Wed Feb 16 14:44:32 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:44:32 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless In-Reply-To: <1485195132.1297895051484.JavaMail.cfservice@sl3app2> References: <1485195132.1297895051484.JavaMail.cfservice@sl3app2> Message-ID: <1297896272.1763.66.camel@jim-laptop> Can you say what to do to * use the laptop to work with the administrative interface use a browser? connect to 192.168.1.1? no user name and password is the default, admin ? * where to find settings that control WEP/WPA/etc.? On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 17:24 -0500, Blake Haggerty wrote: > I would disable WEP or WPA or whatever on the router and try to > connecct that way. If it works you know the issue is with the password > being entered. > The router does not require SP3 or any of the other BS that service > tech told you. The software that they want you to install (usually a > Yahoo disk or something, requires that stuff.) But it isnt needed. I > have used that router and modem with Ubuntu, mint, puppy linux, Suse, > windows XP, Vista, and 7... No problems. Never installed any 3rd party > or extra software than what was built into the OS. > Blake Haggerty > View Blake Haggerty [LION] blake.haggerty at sapphire.com's profile on > LinkedIn > Permanent Placement Specialist > Sapphire Technologies U.S., a Randstad company > 27 Maiden Lane > San Francisco, CA 94108 > (p) (415) 788-8488 > (f) (415) 788-2592 > www.sapphirena.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From:jim jim at well.com > To: "Jackie Barshak" ; > Cc: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" ; > Sent: Feb 16, 2011 02:10:00 PM > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless > > > I'm replying separately to the sf-lug list and > will also reply separately to the other lists-- it > often creates problems to send mail to multiple > lists because if a member of one list replies to all, > that email goes to the other lists, and if the > sender is not also a member of the other lists, the > list administrators have to deal with a non-member's > attempt to post. > > The only sense I can make is that the AT&T device(s) > expect to communicate with some client software that > the users must install on their computers. I can't > believe that's real--how would someone's guest use the > wifi? and how about gran'ma and little billy? > It seems to me that her ubuntu laptop ought to see > the wifi and work with it. what would disable the > connect button? > > oh, and speaking of gran'ma and little billy, my > band, the nubs, is playing at the Retox Lounge on 20th > at 3rd in San Francisco at 8:30 PM this Sunday, 2/20. > KUSF had our CD as number one for SF local bands. we're > punk rock, loud and brash, but kind of fun. we're trying > to figure out how to use linux on a laptop as a midi > controller. > > > > On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 20:57 +0000, Jackie Barshak wrote: > > I just moved into a new flat in San Francisco and called AT&T to > > deliver a wireless modem and router. But since I set it up I > haven't > > been able to connect the wifi.. The Linksys E1000 wireless-N Router > > has at its minimum system requirements internet explorer 6 Safari 3 > or > > Firefox 2 and a running Windows XP SP3 for a PC. I bought this > > computer in India without a genuine copy of Microsoft installed. > It's > > the practice there to install pirated copies of MS Windows, While I > > was there I didn't have trouble with Windows but when I returned to > > San Francisco in the fall I was finally almost shut down by MS. > That's > > when I learned about and installed Linux. Now I have extremely > > limited use of MS and they don't allow me to run updates or save > > anything in memory. I don't think I am even operating with Explorer > > 6. > > > > The AT&T tech support person that came out said the problem is that > I > > don't have a Microsoft Service pack higher than a 2 and that I need > > at least a 3. And for that reason my wifi can't connect. But I > should > > have the wi-fi on my ubuntu program, right I asked. He said that > the > > Router is incompatable with Linux and that I need a dedicated Linux > > router. One Linux user tells me that's nonsense. > > > > Let me tell you what happens when I open Ubuntu. I click the wi-fi > > icon and find my wi-fi account name. A dialog box appears > requesting > > that I enter my password. I use the password that AT&T gave me but > > the connect button is whited out so I can't click on it. > > > > Please call if you can help, 415.242.1307. > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Wed Feb 16 14:52:59 2011 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 16 Feb 2011 17:52:59 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless Message-ID: <1970048680.1297896779767.JavaMail.cfservice@sl3app1> yes... just not at home so can't look at the screens and report... So open your browser and type 192.168.1.1 This will bring you to the router config screen; more or less the same thing that the cisco connect software does (which requires SP3, windows...etc). Look for wifi settings or authentication settings something along those lines and there should be an option to turn that off. It may prompt you for a password and login The default for both is "admin". Try this and see if Ubuntu will then connect without prompting you for a password or a "connect button". Blake Haggerty Permanent Placement Specialist Sapphire Technologies U.S., a Randstad company 27 Maiden Lane San Francisco, CA 94108 (p) (415) 788-8488 (f) (415) 788-2592 www.sapphirena.com -----Original Message----- From:jim jim at systemateka.com To: "Blake Haggerty" ; Cc: "jbarshak at hotmail.com" , "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" ; Sent: Feb 16, 2011 02:44:00 PM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless Can you say what to do to * use the laptop to work with the administrative interface use a browser? connect to 192.168.1.1? no user name and password is the default, admin ? * where to find settings that control WEP/WPA/etc.? On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 17:24 -0500, Blake Haggerty wrote: > I would disable WEP or WPA or whatever on the router and try to > connecct that way. If it works you know the issue is with the password > being entered. > The router does not require SP3 or any of the other BS that service > tech told you. The software that they want you to install (usually a > Yahoo disk or something, requires that stuff.) But it isnt needed. I > have used that router and modem with Ubuntu, mint, puppy linux, Suse, > windows XP, Vista, and 7... No problems. Never installed any 3rd party > or extra software than what was built into the OS. > Blake Haggerty > View Blake Haggerty [LION] blake.haggerty at sapphire.com's profile on > LinkedIn > Permanent Placement Specialist > Sapphire Technologies U.S., a Randstad company > 27 Maiden Lane > San Francisco, CA 94108 > (p) (415) 788-8488 > (f) (415) 788-2592 > www.sapphirena.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From:jim jim at well.com > To: "Jackie Barshak" ; > Cc: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" ; > Sent: Feb 16, 2011 02:10:00 PM > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless > > > I'm replying separately to the sf-lug list and > will also reply separately to the other lists-- it > often creates problems to send mail to multiple > lists because if a member of one list replies to all, > that email goes to the other lists, and if the > sender is not also a member of the other lists, the > list administrators have to deal with a non-member's > attempt to post. > > The only sense I can make is that the AT&T device(s) > expect to communicate with some client software that > the users must install on their computers. I can't > believe that's real--how would someone's guest use the > wifi? and how about gran'ma and little billy? > It seems to me that her ubuntu laptop ought to see > the wifi and work with it. what would disable the > connect button? > > oh, and speaking of gran'ma and little billy, my > band, the nubs, is playing at the Retox Lounge on 20th > at 3rd in San Francisco at 8:30 PM this Sunday, 2/20. > KUSF had our CD as number one for SF local bands. we're > punk rock, loud and brash, but kind of fun. we're trying > to figure out how to use linux on a laptop as a midi > controller. > > > > On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 20:57 +0000, Jackie Barshak wrote: > > I just moved into a new flat in San Francisco and called AT&T to > > deliver a wireless modem and router. But since I set it up I > haven't > > been able to connect the wifi.. The Linksys E1000 wireless-N Router > > has at its minimum system requirements internet explorer 6 Safari 3 > or > > Firefox 2 and a running Windows XP SP3 for a PC. I bought this > > computer in India without a genuine copy of Microsoft installed. > It's > > the practice there to install pirated copies of MS Windows, While I > > was there I didn't have trouble with Windows but when I returned to > > San Francisco in the fall I was finally almost shut down by MS. > That's > > when I learned about and installed Linux. Now I have extremely > > limited use of MS and they don't allow me to run updates or save > > anything in memory. I don't think I am even operating with Explorer > > 6. > > > > The AT&T tech support person that came out said the problem is that > I > > don't have a Microsoft Service pack higher than a 2 and that I need > > at least a 3. And for that reason my wifi can't connect. But I > should > > have the wi-fi on my ubuntu program, right I asked. He said that > the > > Router is incompatable with Linux and that I need a dedicated Linux > > router. One Linux user tells me that's nonsense. > > > > Let me tell you what happens when I open Ubuntu. I click the wi-fi > > icon and find my wi-fi account name. A dialog box appears > requesting > > that I enter my password. I use the password that AT&T gave me but > > the connect button is whited out so I can't click on it. > > > > Please call if you can help, 415.242.1307. > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at sterryit.com Wed Feb 16 17:10:25 2011 From: david at sterryit.com (David Sterry) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:10:25 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Help! Can't connect to AT&T wireless In-Reply-To: <1297894155.1763.59.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1297894155.1763.59.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <4D5C7581.1040606@sterryit.com> Jackie, 1. Did AT&T sell you a Linksys? I doubt that as they usually go for 2wire modem/router combos. With a 2wire, the tech will plug it in and go through a process to register your account and create an att.net email and password. The next step would be to try the wireless. The wireless password will be listed in brackets on the bottom of the device. If the router is connected to the internet, you should also be able to plug an ethernet cable into the back of the 2wire and into your computer to get online. Does this work? I am also interested in the part where you say your wireless account name is listed. That name should be your SSID by default will generally by 2wire_### where the ### is a 3-digit number. Another way to figure out if it's your router is by signal strength. Of course yours should be strongest if you're right next to it. I hope that helps but please respond with the answers to the above questions for further help. Above all, don't listen to the Ubuntu won't work idea because it's rare with AT&T that that is the case. I've recently seen Verizon business DSL requiring a windows program but generally any web browser will work. -David > On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 20:57 +0000, Jackie Barshak wrote: >> I just moved into a new flat in San Francisco and called AT&T to >> deliver a wireless modem and router. But since I set it up I haven't >> been able to connect the wifi.. The Linksys E1000 wireless-N Router >> has at its minimum system requirements internet explorer 6 Safari 3 or >> Firefox 2 and a running Windows XP SP3 for a PC. I bought this >> computer in India without a genuine copy of Microsoft installed. It's >> the practice there to install pirated copies of MS Windows, While I >> was there I didn't have trouble with Windows but when I returned to >> San Francisco in the fall I was finally almost shut down by MS. That's >> when I learned about and installed Linux. Now I have extremely >> limited use of MS and they don't allow me to run updates or save >> anything in memory. I don't think I am even operating with Explorer >> 6. >> >> The AT&T tech support person that came out said the problem is that I >> don't have a Microsoft Service pack higher than a 2 and that I need >> at least a 3. And for that reason my wifi can't connect. But I should >> have the wi-fi on my ubuntu program, right I asked. He said that the >> Router is incompatable with Linux and that I need a dedicated Linux >> router. One Linux user tells me that's nonsense. >> >> Let me tell you what happens when I open Ubuntu. I click the wi-fi >> icon and find my wi-fi account name. A dialog box appears requesting >> that I enter my password. I use the password that AT&T gave me but >> the connect button is whited out so I can't click on it. >> >> Please call if you can help, 415.242.1307. >> >> Jackie >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From bliss at sfo.com Fri Feb 18 09:51:49 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:51:49 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting next Monday evening... Message-ID: Well the next meeting is at Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary, from 6 to 8 P.M. nominally on Monday 21 February 2011 which is President's Day. Bring your problem to a meeting before you pay a consultant. later Bobbie Sellers From jim at systemateka.com Fri Feb 18 12:48:52 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:48:52 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: Senators attacking Net-Neutrality] Message-ID: <1298062132.9247.20.camel@jim-laptop> -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Bobbie Sellers Reply-to: bliss at sfo.com To: jim Subject: Senators attacking Net-Neutrality Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:17:59 -0800 Dear Friend, Senators in Congress are pushing a ?Resolution of Disapproval? that would strip the FCC of its authority to safeguard our free speech rights online? at a time when phone and cable giants are moving to block our ability to connect with others and share information. If their resolution passes, the FCC would not just be barred from enforcing its existing?and already weakened?Net Neutrality rule, but also from acting in any way to protect Internet users against abuses from the likes of AT&T, Comcast and Verizon. Take action here: http://act2.freepress.net/sign/resolution_of_disapproval/?source=conf Thanks, later Bobbie Sellers From testcore at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 13:00:34 2011 From: testcore at gmail.com (Alex Stahl) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:00:34 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: Senators attacking Net-Neutrality] In-Reply-To: <1298062132.9247.20.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1298062132.9247.20.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: Here's the thing... while I absolutely support the concept of net neutrality, the danger in regulating it is that it falls into the hands of lobbyists. Be fearful that any net neutrality laws will be subjected to regulatory capture. On Feb 18, 2011 12:51 PM, "jim" wrote: > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Bobbie Sellers > Reply-to: bliss at sfo.com > To: jim > Subject: Senators attacking Net-Neutrality > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:17:59 -0800 > > Dear Friend, > > Senators in Congress are pushing a ?Resolution of Disapproval? that > would strip the FCC of its authority to safeguard our free speech rights > online? at a time when phone and cable giants are moving to block our > ability to connect with others and share information. > > If their resolution passes, the FCC would not just be barred from > enforcing its existing?and already weakened?Net Neutrality rule, but > also from acting in any way to protect Internet users against abuses > from the likes of AT&T, Comcast and Verizon. > > Take action here: > > http://act2.freepress.net/sign/resolution_of_disapproval/?source=conf > > Thanks, > > later > Bobbie Sellers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If their resolution passes, the FCC would not just be barred from enforcing its existing?and already weakened?Net Neutrality rule, but also from acting in any way to protect Internet users against abuses from the likes of AT&T, Comcast and Verizon. Take action here: http://act2.freepress.net/sign/resolution_of_disapproval/?source=conf Thanks, later Bobbie Sellers _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Mon Feb 21 15:20:15 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:20:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] how to make a bootable USB stick from an Ubuntu 10.04 live CD? Message-ID: <1298330415.1926.4.camel@jim-laptop> I can't find any instructions via search engine that make sense to me. Here's what I'm hoping for: * get your Ubuntu 10.04 live CD (I have one) * get your 2GB or 4GB USB stick (I have one) * load your Ubuntu 10.04 live CD into your CD-ROM drive (I have one) * place your 2GB or 4GB USB stick into a USB slot (I have one) * and wait until From jasonstone at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 15:25:38 2011 From: jasonstone at gmail.com (jason stone) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:25:38 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] how to make a bootable USB stick from an Ubuntu 10.04 live CD? In-Reply-To: <1298330415.1926.4.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1298330415.1926.4.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: Hi Jim I'm on 10.10, so it may be different System > Administration > Startup Disk Creator Point the tool to your ISO and also to the USB drive. On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:20 PM, jim wrote: > > I can't find any instructions via search engine that make > sense to me. Here's what I'm hoping for: > * get your Ubuntu 10.04 live CD (I have one) > * get your 2GB or 4GB USB stick (I have one) > * load your Ubuntu 10.04 live CD into your CD-ROM drive (I have one) > * place your 2GB or 4GB USB stick into a USB slot (I have one) > * and wait until > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From micahflee at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 15:28:30 2011 From: micahflee at gmail.com (Micah Lee) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:28:30 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] how to make a bootable USB stick from an Ubuntu 10.04 live CD? In-Reply-To: <1298330415.1926.4.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1298330415.1926.4.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <4D62F51E.8020401@gmail.com> I don't know how to do it directly from the LiveCD, but if you have a system that already has Ubuntu installed on it it's easy to make a bootable USB stick from there. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating%20a%20bootable%20Ubuntu%20USB%20flash%20drive On 02/21/2011 03:20 PM, jim wrote: > > I can't find any instructions via search engine that make > sense to me. Here's what I'm hoping for: > * get your Ubuntu 10.04 live CD (I have one) > * get your 2GB or 4GB USB stick (I have one) > * load your Ubuntu 10.04 live CD into your CD-ROM drive (I have one) > * place your 2GB or 4GB USB stick into a USB slot (I have one) > * and wait until > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 22:06:32 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:06:32 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] how to make a bootable USB stick from an Ubuntu 10.04 live CD? In-Reply-To: <4D62F51E.8020401@gmail.com> References: <1298330415.1926.4.camel@jim-laptop> <4D62F51E.8020401@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd suggest partitioning your 2G stick with a 830M/rest of disk dual partition, so you may do the usb disk creation on the 830M using the minimal 128M read/write size (which creates a file casper-rw), and then label the other partition casper-rw and delete the casper-rw file. This gives you enough space for whatever you'd like, and seems to boot more successfully than when the big casper-rw file is used. I put an ext2 filesystem on the casper-rw and modify the fstab entry to include noatime. As well, I put /tmp and /var/log into ramdisks with fstab entries. Biggest drawback from a direct to usb install (which I do on 4G sticks) is the 3 min boot time (as opposed to a 1 min boot). The stick is updatable, but the updates will of course be written to the casper-rw partition, and will take up significant room. On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah Lee wrote: > I don't know how to do it directly from the LiveCD, but if you have a > system that already has Ubuntu installed on it it's easy to make a > bootable USB stick from there. > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating%20a%20bootable%20Ubuntu%20USB%20flash%20drive > > On 02/21/2011 03:20 PM, jim wrote: > > > > I can't find any instructions via search engine that make > > sense to me. Here's what I'm hoping for: > > * get your Ubuntu 10.04 live CD (I have one) > > * get your 2GB or 4GB USB stick (I have one) > > * load your Ubuntu 10.04 live CD into your CD-ROM drive (I have one) > > * place your 2GB or 4GB USB stick into a USB slot (I have one) > > * and wait until > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Leaving this afternoon Message-ID: <8CDA2596E445F6E-77C-4193@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> Hello all, I was planning on driving tomorrow, but, I am speaking Friday morning. Who needs a ride to LA for Scale? Leaving this afternoon- returning monday -Mark T email or call 510 228-4646 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Details: http://www.mobile-stream.com/easytether/android.html -- Romel From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Feb 24 14:49:58 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:49:58 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Android mobile phone tethered to computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110224224958.GN6086@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > The process is described at this url: > > > Are there Linux equivalent softwares? Do you _have_ root on your Android mobile? (If not, maybe your first step should be to achieve that.) With root, you can solve the problem easily on any OS, _and_ without having to buy proprietary binary-only programs from Android Marketplace. http://lifehacker.com/#!5447347/how-to-tether-your-android-phone http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ Here are instructions that are said to work even if you don't control your mobile (haven't gotten root access): http://androidforums.com/droid-how-tips/17470-droid-tethering-all-operating-systems-tested-linux.html http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f23/android-usb-tethering-for-linux-using-proxoid-24875/ (The above item requires the proprietary Proxoid app from Android Marketplace.) http://www.ghacks.net/2010/02/01/tether-your-android-phone-to-your-linux-laptop/ http://idolinux.blogspot.com/2010/06/usb-tether-android-with-linux.html http://razor.occams.info/blog/2010/06/11/transparent-tethering-for-linux/ The above listing is courtesy of Web-searching for 'android linux tethering', as I previously knew almost nothing about this topic. From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Feb 24 15:33:53 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:33:53 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Android mobile phone tethered to computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110224233353.GP6086@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Romel Jacinto (penguin at techbandit.com): > EasyTether states that it supports Ubuntu 10.4+. I have not tested > it yet. > > Details: > http://www.mobile-stream.com/easytether/android.html Just a suggestion: It's a good idea to mention any restrictive licensing when you recommend proprietary Linux software to people. (Linux users tend to assume open source by default.) From micahflee at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 16:13:03 2011 From: micahflee at gmail.com (Micah Lee) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:13:03 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Android mobile phone tethered to computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D66F40F.2090208@gmail.com> This isn't all that straight-forward, and you need to have an ssh account on a server somewhere on the internet. But it works! Download ConnectBot from the android market (an android ssh client). Connect to your ssh server. After you connect press Menu, and select Port Forwards. Add a port forward of type "Dynamic (SOCKS)" and put it on port 8080. What this means is while you're connected to this ssh server on your phone, localhost:8080 on your phone is a socks5 proxy server. On your computer, install the Android SDK. Once it's installed and you put the Android SDK tools folder in your path, there's a tool called adb that lets you manage your android phones and emulators running. To get a list of attached android devices, plug in your phone and type: adb list You might need to use adb as root if permissions aren't set up right. Once adb works, you can run this: adb forward tcp:8080 tcp:8080 This will forward port 8080 on your phone to port 8080 on your laptop. Then you can open up Firefox and install the plugin FoxyProxy Basic. It's a simple proxy server switcher. Add a proxy server (I call mine sshtunnel) to it that's listening on localhost, port 8080, and make sure to check that it's a SOCKS5 proxy (not an http proxy). Then you can tell FoxyProxy to use the sshtunnel proxy. What will happen is when you go to websites you'll be tunneling through your laptop on port 8080, which will then be tunneling through your phone on port 8080, which will then be tunneling through your remote server over ssh. Your IP address in Firefox will be your ssh server's IP. In summary: - Use ConnectBot to connect to your ssh server with dynamic port forwardnig - Run "adb forward tcp:8080 tcp:8080" on your laptop (you might want to put it in a script) - In Firefox, set FoxyProxy to use sshtunnel You now have tethered internet on your linux laptop without a rooted phone or paying for anything, using only open source software. The downside is this isn't like a VPN like PdaNet is, this is just a SOCKS5 proxy server. If you want to use more software than just Firefox to access the internet you'll need to configure it to use your SOCKS5 proxy on localhost:8080. But this is easy to configure in thunderbird, pidgin, etc. Micah On 02/24/2011 11:22 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > The process is described at this url: > > > > > Are there Linux equivalent softwares? > > later > bliss > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From bliss at sfo.com Sat Feb 26 19:00:21 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:00:21 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting of February 21, 2011 Message-ID: Hi SF-LUGgers I got to the Cafe Enchante about 5:40 PM. Mikki was already there. Alex showed up a bit after 1800. Jim and Jeff , Jackie, finally Eric arrived. Jim and Eric were able help Mikki with her need to update her eeeUbuntu. I was able to show Jackie some basic things on her Ubuntu Gnome and Alex helped her with some other things. We broke up about the usual time, 8:00 PM. Jim gave myself, Eric and Jackie rides home, Jim is still suffering from a bad cold and I was getting over a similar indisposition, Jackie had surgery on her leg on February 4th and Eric is suffering from urgency on his next airline trip as he prepares to leave home for a while. This was a very good meeting helping people solve problems all around. later Bobbie Sellers From bliss at sfo.com Wed Mar 2 14:31:47 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:31:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday and More... Message-ID: First Sunday of the Month of March on the 6th so the SF-LUG, fulfilling its schedule will meet at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. nominally. Sounds like a nice warm place with food and hot drinks to be on a late Sunday Morning. I have the latest Linux Journal and Linux Pro magazines and will drag them along. Hope to see all you interested parties there. Bring your problems and if the attendees cannot help very likely we can reach someone who can. later Bobbie Sellers PS. you can sign up in support of the 14 Democratic Wisconsin State Senators at the URL below. I just signed a statement of support telling them that if they stay strong, I'll stand with them. Can you join me at the link below? http://pol.moveon.org/wisconsin14/?r_by=26372-17462222-tRmLIcx&rc=confemail later bliss From crquan at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 15:48:34 2011 From: crquan at gmail.com (Cheng Renquan) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:48:34 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday and More... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > ? ?First Sunday of the Month of March on the 6th > ?so the SF-LUG, fulfilling its schedule will meet at the Cafe Enchante > on Geary at 26th Avenue from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. nominally. Hi Bobbie, I'd like to go there but it's my first time to San Francisco, also not long living in America, could you tell the exact address? And leave me a cell number by private mail? Thanks! > > ? ? ? ?Sounds like a nice warm place with food and hot drinks > to be on a late Sunday Morning. > ? ? ? ?I have the latest Linux Journal and Linux Pro magazines > and will drag them along. > > > ? ?Hope to see all you interested parties there. > ? ?Bring your problems and if the attendees cannot help very likely > we can reach someone who can. > > ? ?later > ? ?Bobbie Sellers -- Cheng Renquan (???) From jim at well.com Wed Mar 2 16:05:37 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:37 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday and More... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1299110737.1811.117.camel@jim-laptop> Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 15:48 -0800, Cheng Renquan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > > First Sunday of the Month of March on the 6th > > so the SF-LUG, fulfilling its schedule will meet at the Cafe Enchante > > on Geary at 26th Avenue from 11 A.M. to 1 P.M. nominally. > > Hi Bobbie, > > I'd like to go there but it's my first time to San Francisco, also not long > living in America, could you tell the exact address? > > And leave me a cell number by private mail? > > Thanks! > > > > > Sounds like a nice warm place with food and hot drinks > > to be on a late Sunday Morning. > > I have the latest Linux Journal and Linux Pro magazines > > and will drag them along. > > > > > > Hope to see all you interested parties there. > > Bring your problems and if the attendees cannot help very likely > > we can reach someone who can. > > > > later > > Bobbie Sellers > > -- > Cheng Renquan (???) > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From crquan at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 17:13:09 2011 From: crquan at gmail.com (Cheng Renquan) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:13:09 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday and More... In-Reply-To: References: <4D6EC553.5030707@sfo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bobbie, That doesn't matter, I just want to write down one of the organizers' number, in case that I may be lost :-) then I can call you someone in time; On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: [...] On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:05 PM, jim wrote: > > ? ?Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the > South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. > ? ?If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary > buses west, they run often. > > ? ?Here's a link to a map. Thanks jim, now I got it and should be able to find it by myself; A simple self introduction is that I am from Singapore and China, have ever made some trivial contribution to the linux kernel, http://userweb.kernel.org/~crq/ now came here working for a company in San Jose on some Linux related projects; just joined this January, not long ago, also my first time to the bay area; In fact I've also seen here SF-LUG / SVLUG events in January and February, but US has too many differences with Singapore and China I need time to adapt; Hopefully could meet you guys there in this March! Cheers! -- Cheng Renquan (???) From nbs at sonic.net Thu Mar 3 17:43:03 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:43:03 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, March 21: "Full Scale Flight Simulators" Message-ID: <201103040143.p241h3Vq019037@bolt.sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting this month: Monday March 21, 2011 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "Full Scale Flight Simulators" John Wojnaroski, Chief Engineer, LFS Technologies, Inc. LFS Technologies has developed a suite of hardware, electronics, and software that has been integrated with open source projects such as FlightGear flight simulator, JSBSim flight dynamics model, and OpenSceneGraph. The preferred platform is a Linux-based PC with the real-time extensions provided by RTAI/Xenomai. Both hardware and software are designed to function as an integrated package that provides turn-key operations out of the box while retaining the ability to customize and tailor hardware and software to customer requirements. A 737NG flightdeck simulator was delivered to NASA/Ames in 2008. The Global Observer program at AeroVironment is currently using the electronics to operate a pilot workstation for the air vehicle. LFS developed flight simulators include electro-mechanical devices that provide flight control force loading systems, autopilots, and auto-throttle control systems. One of LFS's goals is to provide a more flexible and dynamic environment for research organizations and an alternative simulation platform to Microsoft based systems. The software architecture employs object oriented design principles and C++. To that end several licensing options are available that allow the end user to replace LFS developed libraries and modules with in-house products that maximize software efficiencies and speed of execution by direct compilation and linking into an executable binary program. The architecture employs Linux-based IPCs such as shared memory and UDP network interfaces and task structures and organization that operate on single-CPU PCs and can just as easily run on multi-core machines. About the Speaker: John Wojnaroski is the Chief Engineer with LFS Technologies. A member of AIAA, he has held research positions at CalTech/JPL and the Mitre Corporation. At Northrop he led the Avionics Department developing the software and graphic displays for the B-2 aircraft. He has over 3000 hours of flying experience in high performance fighter aircraft and holds a multi-engine commercial pilots license with an instrument rating as well as a BS in engineering and a MS in Astronautics from Purdue University. This meeting will be held at: Yolo County Public Library, Davis Branch (Mary L. Stephens Branch) 315 East 14th Street Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) From lyz at princessleia.com Thu Mar 3 19:25:12 2011 From: lyz at princessleia.com (Elizabeth Krumbach) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:25:12 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Wednesday, March 9th: Ubuntu Hour and Bay Area Debian Meeting Message-ID: Hi everyone, Just like in January, we've decided to sync up our montly San Francisco Ubuntu Hour with the 2nd Wednesday, March 9th, date of the Bay Area Debian Meeting, to offer an evening of Ubuntu and Debian! First, from 6-7PM: San Francisco Ubuntu Hour Location: The Roastery, 199 New Montgomery Street, San Francisco Details: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/752/detail/ Then, from 7-9PM: Bay Area Debian Meeting Location: Henry's Hunan Restaurant, 110 Natoma Street, San Francisco Details: http://bad.debian.net/list/2011-March/003403.html So come out to the Ubuntu Hour and join us for dinner at the Bay Area Debian Meeting! Or come early to the Bay Area Debian meeting and grab a coffee at the Ubuntu Hour! To find us at both events, look for the people in the Linux shirts (I'll be wearing an Ubuntu one) and the Squeeze and Wheezy stuffed toys. At Henry's Hunan we'll have reservations under "Bay Area Debian" Hope to see you there! -- Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 http://www.princessleia.com From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 10:47:09 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 Subject: [sf-lug] A little something for everyone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm looking to partner with G-dly people willing to use the C++ Middleware Writer -- an on line code generator that writes C++ marshalling code based on high-level user input. In exchange for using the C++ Middleware Writer, I'll donate 18 hours/week for six months to their project. If you aren't an orthodox Jew or pro-life Christian, you can still get in on the action. If you refer someone to me for this, I'll pay you $150/month for the first four months I work with them. -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net (651) 251-9384 "And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith." Galatians 6:9-11 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b79net at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 11:27:27 2011 From: b79net at gmail.com (John Magolske) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 11:27:27 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] python-docx -- a utility for dealing with the docx format Message-ID: <20110305192727.GA4302@s70206.gridserver.com> To read the text of ms-word docs, in the past I've used antiword. But that doesn't handle the increasingly common docx format. I understand libreoffice can deal with docx, but I don't want to install that large-ish package on my machine...and typically I just use Vim for reading & writing text. So, I was happy to come across python-docx: https://github.com/mikemaccana/python-docx A nice command-line utility that not only reads the docx format, but can create docx documents as well. I've been using it for a while, seems like a actively maintained project. John -- John Magolske http://B79.net/contact From bliss at sfo.com Sun Mar 6 11:57:41 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 11:57:41 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] First look at Ubuntu Natty Message-ID: Kevin this might do for your news item and if you want to you can send it to the list. First look at Ubuntu "Natty" and the state of Unity February 14, 2011 This article was contributed by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier . Ubuntu's 11.04 release ("Natty Narwhal") is going to be an important inflection point for the project, and for Canonical. The company is banking on its users, and potential users, embracing a user interface (Unity ) that differs significantly from the previous Ubuntu release as well as other familiar desktop UIs. Further, the target release date is less than three months away and significant chunks of the Unity interface are still unfinished. The second alpha release on February 3 shows promise, but there is significant work left to be done. [Unity] The most interesting, or at least most visible, change is in the shift to Unity. Canonical began work on Unity during the 10.10 cycle for the Ubuntu Netbook Remix. Despite the less-than-exuberant reception for Unity on 10.10, where some vendors opted to remain on 10.04 for netbooks , Canonical decided to push ahead and make Unity the default shell in 11.04 rather than adopting GNOME Shell from GNOME 3.0... From bliss at sfo.com Sun Mar 6 17:36:00 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 17:36:00 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Today 03-06-11 meeting SF-LUG Message-ID: Well if you were not there we missed you but we, myself, Ken and Jim Stockwood had a lively meeting. I have had a problem with my nVidia driver install for some time and it was somewhat reassuring that with Ken's help we were unable to make any progress. I managed to create some excitement by dumping a full cup of decafe latte all over my table full of magazines and other equipment. No permanent damage done. About 12:45 PM another Linux user approached and seems to have joined the SF-LUG, so welcome Mike if you see him at an upcoming meeting... later Bobbie Sellers From jim at systemateka.com Sun Mar 6 21:51:17 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 21:51:17 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Today 03-06-11 meeting SF-LUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1299477077.1860.2.camel@jim-laptop> don't forget our new pal mike. he was a hoot! On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 17:36 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Well if you were not there we missed > you but we, myself, Ken and Jim Stockwood > had a lively meeting. > I have had a problem with my nVidia > driver install for some time and it was > somewhat reassuring that with Ken's help > we were unable to make any progress. > I managed to create some excitement by > dumping a full cup of decafe latte all over > my table full of magazines and other > equipment. > No permanent damage done. > About 12:45 PM another Linux user > approached and seems to have joined the > SF-LUG, so welcome Mike if you see him > at an upcoming meeting... > > later > Bobbie Sellers > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Mon Mar 7 14:57:28 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:57:28 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question Message-ID: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> i have a number of directories, each with their subdirectory trees. i just bought (and will very soon pick up) a new laptop from zareason (Terra HD). i'm rethinking my directory structure and can't decide (it may not matter, but it may--i bet that someone figured it out in 1969): ---------------------------- what i've got looks like this: this/sub-1/ this/sub-2/ this/sub-3/ that/sub-a/ that/sub-b/ ---------------------------- i can re-do things like so: this/sub-1/OLD this/sub-2/OLD this/sub-3/OLD that/sub-a/OLD that/sub-b/OLD ---------------------------- or like so: this/sub-1/ this/sub-2/ this/sub-3/ that/sub-a/ that/sub-b/ OLD/this/sub-1/ OLD/this/sub-2/ OLD/this/sub-3/ OLD/that/sub-a/ OLD/that/sub-b/ ---------------------------- i have no inclination either way. opinions? From bliss at sfo.com Mon Mar 7 15:51:05 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:51:05 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address Message-ID: Hi LUGs, Seems that Google which supplies the service to DSLExtreme, my new ISP, is very weak. It gets upset by POP and refuses to deal. Since the IMAP cannot delete the downloaded messages I want to use POP. Until it seems more stable I will keep the sfo.com address but if anyone wants to add the new address to the contact list it is *bliss-sf4ever at DSLExtreme.com. later Bobbie Sellers * From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Mar 7 16:06:16 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:06:16 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > Hi LUGs, > Seems that Google which supplies the service > to DSLExtreme, my new ISP, is very weak. > It gets upset by POP and refuses to deal. > Since the IMAP cannot delete the downloaded > messages I want to use POP. > > Until it seems more stable I will keep > the sfo.com address but if anyone wants to > add the new address to the contact list it is > *bliss-sf4ever at DSLExtreme.com. Bobbie -- By 'the contact list', do you mean the subscriber roster of SF-LUG's mailing list? Mailing lists on the Internet are overwhelmingly self-service. Fortunately, it's really easy: In this case, just go to http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug and subscribe it. (I am not an administrator for this mailing list, just to clarify.) From jim at well.com Mon Mar 7 16:26:24 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:26:24 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address In-Reply-To: <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> Mainly it's just me monitoring the sf-lug mailing list. Rick sometime back made an excellent point regarding whether an administrator should add people to the roster, at least as i recall: no, don't do it because if the administrators make a typing mistake, there's no easy way for them to determine that. make the users add their email accounts to the roster: if they make typing mistakes, they're likely to notice it after a while because they won't be getting list mail. assuming the above is correct in any meaningful ways, please, bobbie, click the link and sign up with your new email address. http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 16:06 -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > > > Hi LUGs, > > Seems that Google which supplies the service > > to DSLExtreme, my new ISP, is very weak. > > It gets upset by POP and refuses to deal. > > Since the IMAP cannot delete the downloaded > > messages I want to use POP. > > > > Until it seems more stable I will keep > > the sfo.com address but if anyone wants to > > add the new address to the contact list it is > > *bliss-sf4ever at DSLExtreme.com. > > Bobbie -- > > By 'the contact list', do you mean the subscriber roster of SF-LUG's > mailing list? > > Mailing lists on the Internet are overwhelmingly self-service. > Fortunately, it's really easy: In this case, just go to > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug and subscribe it. > > (I am not an administrator for this mailing list, just to clarify.) > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From bliss at sfo.com Mon Mar 7 16:42:03 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:42:03 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address In-Reply-To: <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> References: <4D756F69.1070101@sfo.com> <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: On 03/07/2011 04:26 PM, jim wrote: > Mainly it's just me monitoring the sf-lug mailing list. > Rick sometime back made an excellent point regarding > whether an administrator should add people to the roster, > at least as i recall: no, don't do it because if the > administrators make a typing mistake, there's no easy way > for them to determine that. > make the users add their email accounts to the roster: > if they make typing mistakes, they're likely to notice it > after a while because they won't be getting list mail. > > assuming the above is correct in any meaningful ways, > please, bobbie, click the link and sign up with your new > email address. > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 16:06 -0800, Rick Moen wrote: >> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): >> >>> Hi LUGs, >>> Seems that Google which supplies the service >>> to DSLExtreme, my new ISP, is very weak. >>> It gets upset by POP and refuses to deal. >>> Since the IMAP cannot delete the downloaded >>> messages I want to use POP. >>> >>> Until it seems more stable I will keep >>> the sfo.com address but if anyone wants to >>> add the new address to the contact list it is >>> *bliss-sf4ever at DSLExtreme.com. >> Bobbie -- >> >> By 'the contact list', do you mean the subscriber roster of SF-LUG's >> mailing list? >> >> Mailing lists on the Internet are overwhelmingly self-service. >> Fortunately, it's really easy: In this case, just go to >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug and subscribe it. >> >> (I am not an administrator for this mailing list, just to clarify.) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ >> You guys miss the point entirely. Right now the damnable Google email service is not accepting my uid or password. It says this is perfectly normal but I don't want anyone sending to that address before it is working properly. Some systems will not accept mail that comes from an address that is not in the contact list. So no I am not changing the list address until the google lets me access my mail by POP. Take care. bliss From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Mar 7 17:00:50 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 17:00:50 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address In-Reply-To: References: <4D756F69.1070101@sfo.com> <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <20110308010050.GB524@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > You guys miss the point entirely. That is indeed unfortunate, but the reason that happened is that you weren't being very clear. > Some systems will not accept mail that comes from an address that is > not in the contact list. To repeat, what's 'the contact list' in this context? Does that refer to the SF-LUG mailing list's subscription roster? What does 'some systems' refer to in this context? The software that operates the mailing list? I'm guessing yes to both. I'm guessing what you want, but haven't clearly articulated, is that you desire to use bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com as an alternate posting address. Simple: Subscribe bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com via http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug . Then, you will be able to post from either address. That gives you _two_ subscriptions, so you will probably want to set one of them to subscription option 'nomail' so you don't get two copies of every posting. Yes, you are correct that pretty much _all_ (not just 'some') Internet mailing lists now accept postings only from subscribed posting addresses. This is a natural consequence of the spam problem. So, subscribe the addresses you wish to be able to post from. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Mar 7 17:08:19 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 17:08:19 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address In-Reply-To: <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> References: <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <20110308010819.GC524@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at well.com): > Mainly it's just me monitoring the sf-lug mailing list. > Rick sometime back made an excellent point regarding > whether an administrator should add people to the roster, > at least as i recall: no, don't do it because if the > administrators make a typing mistake, there's no easy way > for them to determine that. There's a feature in Mailman that meets users halfway, though: You go to the Mailman adminstration pages' 'Mass subscription' subpage[1] and put in one or more address of people you think might want to subscribe. However, instead of immediately hitting Submit Your Changes, you should first alter this radio button setting: Subscribe these users now or invite them? (o) Subscribe ( ) Invite to this: Subscribe these users now or invite them? ( ) Subscribe (o) Invite _Then_ hit the Submit Your Changes button. The user will receive a tailored invitation to join, which he/she can accept by just visiting a custom URL -- or by responding to the invitation mail. The point is that the user needing to actually _receive_ that mail proves that the address is deliverable before he/she can accept, which is exactly where the default 'Mass subscription' mode fails, you see. [1] http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/admin/sf-lug/members/add From bliss at sfo.com Mon Mar 7 17:14:43 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:14:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address In-Reply-To: <20110308010050.GB524@linuxmafia.com> References: <4D756F69.1070101@sfo.com> <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> <4D757B5B.5030108@sfo.com> <20110308010050.GB524@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On 03/07/2011 05:00 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > >> You guys miss the point entirely. > That is indeed unfortunate, but the reason that happened is that you > weren't being very clear. > >> Some systems will not accept mail that comes from an address that is >> not in the contact list. > To repeat, what's 'the contact list' in this context? Does that refer > to the SF-LUG mailing list's subscription roster? > > What does 'some systems' refer to in this context? The software that > operates the mailing list? > > I'm guessing yes to both. I'm guessing what you want, but haven't > clearly articulated, is that you desire to use > bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com as an alternate posting address. Wrong but you give a good suggestion below it seems. I was referring to personal contact lists. > Simple: Subscribe bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com via > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug . Then, you will be able > to post from either address. Well that might be convenient but I will wait until the problem with the Google fixes itself or until I manage to get it fixed with or with out the help of the Google staff and advice. > That gives you _two_ subscriptions, so you will probably want to > set one of them to subscription option 'nomail' so you don't get two > copies of every posting. > Yes, you are correct that pretty much _all_ (not just 'some') Internet > mailing lists now accept postings only from subscribed posting addresses. > This is a natural consequence of the spam problem. So, subscribe the > addresses you wish to be able to post from. I was posting for the few individuals who frequently send me private email for various reasons. Not too many thankfully and not too frequently thank goodness. But thank you for the advice and maybe when the Google starts to work I will do that. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > later bliss From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Mar 7 17:20:44 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 17:20:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address In-Reply-To: References: <4D756F69.1070101@sfo.com> <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> <4D757B5B.5030108@sfo.com> <20110308010050.GB524@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20110308012044.GM7886@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > I was referring to personal contact lists. Ah, thanks for clarifying. You probably want to not talk about '_the_ contact list' (emphasis added -- note singular) when you are trying to talk to numerous individuals about their respective (and thus numerous) mail-client address books. You could, in fact, have said 'Please add this second address to your address book if you send me private e-mail.' From jim at well.com Mon Mar 7 17:53:23 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:53:23 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address In-Reply-To: References: <4D756F69.1070101@sfo.com> <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1299549203.1951.203.camel@jim-laptop> I don't know how to help you. It may be that google only serves imap email. It may be that you can specify your google account information so that it sends POP. I'm sure there are other possibilities I don't know of. On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 16:42 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 03/07/2011 04:26 PM, jim wrote: > > Mainly it's just me monitoring the sf-lug mailing list. > > Rick sometime back made an excellent point regarding > > whether an administrator should add people to the roster, > > at least as i recall: no, don't do it because if the > > administrators make a typing mistake, there's no easy way > > for them to determine that. > > make the users add their email accounts to the roster: > > if they make typing mistakes, they're likely to notice it > > after a while because they won't be getting list mail. > > > > assuming the above is correct in any meaningful ways, > > please, bobbie, click the link and sign up with your new > > email address. > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 16:06 -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > >> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com): > >> > >>> Hi LUGs, > >>> Seems that Google which supplies the service > >>> to DSLExtreme, my new ISP, is very weak. > >>> It gets upset by POP and refuses to deal. > >>> Since the IMAP cannot delete the downloaded > >>> messages I want to use POP. > >>> > >>> Until it seems more stable I will keep > >>> the sfo.com address but if anyone wants to > >>> add the new address to the contact list it is > >>> *bliss-sf4ever at DSLExtreme.com. > >> Bobbie -- > >> > >> By 'the contact list', do you mean the subscriber roster of SF-LUG's > >> mailing list? > >> > >> Mailing lists on the Internet are overwhelmingly self-service. > >> Fortunately, it's really easy: In this case, just go to > >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug and subscribe it. > >> > >> (I am not an administrator for this mailing list, just to clarify.) > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sf-lug mailing list > >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > >> > You guys miss the point entirely. > > Right now the damnable Google email service is not > accepting my uid or password. It says this is perfectly > normal but I don't want anyone sending to that address > before it is working properly. > Some systems will not accept mail that comes from > an address that is not in the contact list. > > So no I am not changing the list address until the > google lets me access my mail by POP. > > Take care. > bliss > From jim at systemateka.com Mon Mar 7 17:55:54 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:55:54 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Getting a new email address In-Reply-To: <20110308010819.GC524@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110308000616.GK7886@linuxmafia.com> <1299543984.1951.193.camel@jim-laptop> <20110308010819.GC524@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1299549354.1951.204.camel@jim-laptop> thank you. On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 17:08 -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at well.com): > > > Mainly it's just me monitoring the sf-lug mailing list. > > Rick sometime back made an excellent point regarding > > whether an administrator should add people to the roster, > > at least as i recall: no, don't do it because if the > > administrators make a typing mistake, there's no easy way > > for them to determine that. > > There's a feature in Mailman that meets users halfway, though: > You go to the Mailman adminstration pages' 'Mass subscription' subpage[1] > and put in one or more address of people you think might want to > subscribe. However, instead of immediately hitting Submit Your > Changes, you should first alter this radio button setting: > > Subscribe these users now or invite them? (o) Subscribe ( ) Invite > > to this: > > Subscribe these users now or invite them? ( ) Subscribe (o) Invite > > _Then_ hit the Submit Your Changes button. The user will receive a > tailored invitation to join, which he/she can accept by just visiting a > custom URL -- or by responding to the invitation mail. > > The point is that the user needing to actually _receive_ that mail > proves that the address is deliverable before he/she can accept, which > is exactly where the default 'Mass subscription' mode fails, you see. > > [1] http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/admin/sf-lug/members/add > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 18:11:02 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:11:02 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: Or just duplicate the existing structure exactly, and sync them up now and then with meld or rsync,.. if you're keeping the old laptop as a backup/traveling machine. If you're not keeping the old laptop, why not duplicate what you have? Ken On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:57 PM, jim wrote: > > i have a number of directories, each with their > subdirectory trees. > i just bought (and will very soon pick up) a new > laptop from zareason (Terra HD). > i'm rethinking my directory structure and can't > decide (it may not matter, but it may--i bet that > someone figured it out in 1969): > > ---------------------------- > what i've got looks like this: > > this/sub-1/ > this/sub-2/ > this/sub-3/ > > that/sub-a/ > that/sub-b/ > > ---------------------------- > i can re-do things like so: > > this/sub-1/OLD > this/sub-2/OLD > this/sub-3/OLD > > that/sub-a/OLD > that/sub-b/OLD > > ---------------------------- > or like so: > > this/sub-1/ > this/sub-2/ > this/sub-3/ > > that/sub-a/ > that/sub-b/ > > OLD/this/sub-1/ > OLD/this/sub-2/ > OLD/this/sub-3/ > > OLD/that/sub-a/ > OLD/that/sub-b/ > > ---------------------------- > > i have no inclination either way. opinions? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Mon Mar 7 18:49:17 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:49:17 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> Thanks for the reply. I can see I wasn't clear (I was excited about getting my new computer). Because I'm getting a new computer, I am re-thinking my directory structures (I houseclean when I get a new computer). The problem has nothing to do with multiple computers; I'll retire or re-purpose or sell the old one. On my computer, I want regularly to move things out of the primary directories to the OLD directories in order to keep my working directories lean yet have access to older, seldom used files. Should I bury an OLD subdirectory under each primary directory or should I set up an OLD directory that has a parallel directory tree? On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 18:11 -0800, Ken Shaffer wrote: > Or just duplicate the existing structure exactly, and sync them up now > and then with meld or rsync,.. if you're keeping the old laptop as a > backup/traveling machine. If you're not keeping the old laptop, why > not duplicate what you have? > Ken > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:57 PM, jim wrote: > > i have a number of directories, each with their > subdirectory trees. > i just bought (and will very soon pick up) a new > laptop from zareason (Terra HD). > i'm rethinking my directory structure and can't > decide (it may not matter, but it may--i bet that > someone figured it out in 1969): > > ---------------------------- > what i've got looks like this: > > this/sub-1/ > this/sub-2/ > this/sub-3/ > > that/sub-a/ > that/sub-b/ > > ---------------------------- > i can re-do things like so: > > this/sub-1/OLD > this/sub-2/OLD > this/sub-3/OLD > > that/sub-a/OLD > that/sub-b/OLD > > ---------------------------- > or like so: > > this/sub-1/ > this/sub-2/ > this/sub-3/ > > that/sub-a/ > that/sub-b/ > > OLD/this/sub-1/ > OLD/this/sub-2/ > OLD/this/sub-3/ > > OLD/that/sub-a/ > OLD/that/sub-b/ > > ---------------------------- > > i have no inclination either way. opinions? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From jim at well.com Mon Mar 7 20:31:34 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 20:31:34 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> Here's an opinion someone sent me: -------------------------------------------- I think you should put OLD at the top level. Reason: you may have other files on the system you don't realize that you want/ need to copy yet. just convenience I suppose but say configuration files of one sort or another. They may not copy exactly so... -------------------------------------------- i like it. On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 18:49 -0800, jim wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I can see I wasn't clear (I was > excited about getting my new computer). > Because I'm getting a new computer, I am re-thinking > my directory structures (I houseclean when I get a new > computer). The problem has nothing to do with multiple > computers; I'll retire or re-purpose or sell the old one. > > On my computer, I want regularly to move things out > of the primary directories to the OLD directories in > order to keep my working directories lean yet have access > to older, seldom used files. Should I bury an OLD > subdirectory under each primary directory or should I set > up an OLD directory that has a parallel directory tree? > > > > > On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 18:11 -0800, Ken Shaffer wrote: > > Or just duplicate the existing structure exactly, and sync them up now > > and then with meld or rsync,.. if you're keeping the old laptop as a > > backup/traveling machine. If you're not keeping the old laptop, why > > not duplicate what you have? > > Ken > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:57 PM, jim wrote: > > > > i have a number of directories, each with their > > subdirectory trees. > > i just bought (and will very soon pick up) a new > > laptop from zareason (Terra HD). > > i'm rethinking my directory structure and can't > > decide (it may not matter, but it may--i bet that > > someone figured it out in 1969): > > > > ---------------------------- > > what i've got looks like this: > > > > this/sub-1/ > > this/sub-2/ > > this/sub-3/ > > > > that/sub-a/ > > that/sub-b/ > > > > ---------------------------- > > i can re-do things like so: > > > > this/sub-1/OLD > > this/sub-2/OLD > > this/sub-3/OLD > > > > that/sub-a/OLD > > that/sub-b/OLD > > > > ---------------------------- > > or like so: > > > > this/sub-1/ > > this/sub-2/ > > this/sub-3/ > > > > that/sub-a/ > > that/sub-b/ > > > > OLD/this/sub-1/ > > OLD/this/sub-2/ > > OLD/this/sub-3/ > > > > OLD/that/sub-a/ > > OLD/that/sub-b/ > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > i have no inclination either way. opinions? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 21:08:21 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 21:08:21 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: I guess it depends upon how interrelated the subdirectories are. I tend to live off of 4G usb sticks, so they are too small to hold all my files. My usb hard disk holds copies of everything, and I move the active subdirectories onto a 4G stick. That means, I'd prefer the OLD buried within the primary so I have everything related together, since my primary subdirectories are not necessarily related. Of couse, at one point I went font crazy, and wound up putting the fonts on a CDROM, with links to it from my font directories -- so I can see cases where you'd want all the old stuff together. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Mon Mar 7 21:19:32 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 21:19:32 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> crikey, ken! that's a good thought, too! maybe i should do both? have a top-level OLD/ tree for some stuff and for other stuff have OLD subdirectories, kind of like the various bin/ and lib/ and other directories scattered around the system. On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 21:08 -0800, Ken Shaffer wrote: > I guess it depends upon how interrelated the subdirectories are. I > tend to live off of 4G usb sticks, so they are too small to hold all > my files. My usb hard disk holds copies of everything, and I move the > active subdirectories onto a 4G stick. That means, I'd prefer the OLD > buried within the primary so I have everything related together, since > my primary subdirectories are not necessarily related. Of couse, at > one point I went font crazy, and wound up putting the fonts on a > CDROM, with links to it from my font directories -- so I can see cases > where you'd want all the old stuff together. > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From cymraegish at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 21:48:39 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 21:48:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: How about OLD-1, OLD-2, ? OLD-A, OLD-B, ? OLD-1-A, ?, OLD-2-A,? STICK-A, STICK-B, ? OLD-STICK, OLD-STICK-2, ? I use numbers for time-sequential-series, letters for edit-versions-choices On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:19 PM, jim wrote: > > crikey, ken! that's a good thought, too! > > maybe i should do both? have a top-level > OLD/ tree for some stuff and for other > stuff have OLD subdirectories, kind of > like the various bin/ and lib/ and other > directories scattered around the system. > > > > On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 21:08 -0800, Ken Shaffer wrote: >> I guess it depends upon how interrelated the subdirectories are. ?I >> tend to live off of 4G usb sticks, so they are too small to hold all >> my files. ?My usb hard disk holds copies of everything, and I move the >> active subdirectories onto a 4G stick. ?That means, I'd prefer the OLD >> buried within the primary so I have everything related together, since >> my primary subdirectories are not necessarily related. ?Of couse, at >> one point I went font crazy, and wound up putting the fonts on a >> CDROM, with links to it from my font directories -- so I can see cases >> where you'd want all the old stuff together. >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From opietro at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 16:37:28 2011 From: opietro at yahoo.com (Owen Pietrokowsky) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:37:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] Reminder: NoiseBridge Grammar Clinic, Th. March 10, 7pm to ? (Church classroom) Message-ID: <472880.63258.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings, (Feel free to pass along this announcement by email and to post it on company bulletin boards in SF and the Bay Area. Thank you.) I'm teaching a clinic for grammar and writing evaluation this Thurs., March. 10, from 7pm on. We meet in NoiseBridge's Church classroom. Please bring your web/social or technical writing for us to evaluate. Space may be limited, so please RSVP and let me know what type of writing or document you'd like to bring. (This will help me plan the meeting and the agenda.) Donations gladly accepted. This will help cover my expenses and planning. I won't turn anyone away, but if you are working? please chip in some extra money to cover those who are unable to pay. Bring your laptop. Collaboration groupware possibly provided. (If you know of any good collaboration software, please let me know.) Constructive feedback from other group members is encouraged so that this clinic is a group process. Thank you. Owen opietro at yahoo.com Owen Pietrokowsky Editor, writer Biotech, high-tech, linux, materials science opietro at yahoo.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/owenpietrokowsky Poetry and Science pages https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Poetry_%26_Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Wed Mar 9 16:46:54 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:46:54 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Reminder: NoiseBridge Grammar Clinic, Th. March 10, 7pm to ? (Church classroom) In-Reply-To: <472880.63258.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <472880.63258.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1299718014.1739.11.camel@jim-laptop> This has nothing to do with Linux, does it? If not, please do not email the list about this topic. Thank you On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 16:37 -0800, Owen Pietrokowsky wrote: > Greetings, > > (Feel free to pass along this announcement by email and to post it on > company bulletin boards in SF and the Bay Area. Thank you.) > > I'm teaching a clinic for grammar and writing evaluation this Thurs., > March. 10, from 7pm on. We meet in NoiseBridge's Church classroom. > Please bring your web/social or technical writing for us to evaluate. > Space may be limited, so please RSVP and let me know what type of > writing or document you'd like to bring. (This will help me plan the > meeting and the agenda.) > > Donations gladly accepted. This will help cover my expenses and > planning. I won't turn anyone away, but if you are working please > chip in some extra money to cover those who are unable to pay. > > Bring your laptop. Collaboration groupware possibly provided. (If you > know of any good collaboration software, please let me know.) > Constructive feedback from other group members is encouraged so that > this clinic is a group process. Thank you. > > Owen > opietro at yahoo.com > > > Owen Pietrokowsky > Editor, writer > Biotech, high-tech, linux, materials science > opietro at yahoo.com > > LinkedIn: > http://www.linkedin.com/in/owenpietrokowsky > > Poetry and Science pages > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Poetry_%26_Science > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Wed Mar 9 16:57:15 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:57:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] linux discussion group tonight at noisebridge in the turing classroom, 6 to 8 PM Message-ID: <1299718635.1739.23.camel@jim-laptop> if you're interested in linux or open source stuff or have a problem or whatever with same.... the idea is show up and see who else showed up and maybe help someone or learn something. http://www.noisebridge.net 2169 mission between 17th and 18th push button in iron grate, come up to the third floor. From nbs at sonic.net Thu Mar 10 10:13:57 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:13:57 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <20110310181357.GA29655@sonic.net> On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 09:19:32PM -0800, jim wrote: > > crikey, ken! that's a good thought, too! > > maybe i should do both? have a top-level > OLD/ tree for some stuff and for other > stuff have OLD subdirectories, kind of > like the various bin/ and lib/ and other > directories scattered around the system. What about symlinks? Have OLD/x/y/z and then use symbolic links in your new tree...? x/y/z/OLD -> ~/OLD/x/y/z *shrug* -bill! From jim at systemateka.com Thu Mar 10 10:47:32 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:47:32 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <20110310181357.GA29655@sonic.net> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> <20110310181357.GA29655@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1299782852.1757.34.camel@jim-laptop> symlinks solves the problem of leanness in the working directories, but doesn't resolve the naming strategic question. And what if I want the OLD stuff on some external, removeable media? I might be able to put up with the occasional inconvenience of waiting to access old stuff until I get home or hook up the external storage.... thanks! On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 10:13 -0800, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 09:19:32PM -0800, jim wrote: > > > > crikey, ken! that's a good thought, too! > > > > maybe i should do both? have a top-level > > OLD/ tree for some stuff and for other > > stuff have OLD subdirectories, kind of > > like the various bin/ and lib/ and other > > directories scattered around the system. > > What about symlinks? > > Have OLD/x/y/z > > and then use symbolic links in your new tree...? > > x/y/z/OLD -> ~/OLD/x/y/z > > *shrug* > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Fri Mar 11 08:53:20 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:53:20 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] senior build engineer, san jose, $65/hour, contract Message-ID: <1299862400.1838.11.camel@jim-laptop> Title: Senior Build & Tools Engineer - Embedded Linux Location: San Jose, CA Rate: at least $65/hour Duration: 6 months Resumes, in reply, may please be sent to mjohn at techone-telecom.com This position is in a Build & Tools Team, which is responsible for improving the build system for large embedded software projects. Goal is to ensure that the build system/ tool continues to scale in terms of reliability, performance and ease of use. Job involves a. improve and fix the build tool to help it scale up b. automate tasks with scripting, and enhance/ maintain the build system/ tool Required Experience and Skills: * Demonstrated ability to architect, develop, and deploy build systems for large scale embedded products * Expertise in Linux packages and distributions mechanisms. Strong programming abilities: grasp of data structure and algorithm fundamentals * Expertise in any of the scripting languages like Python or Perl; tool development experience * Extremely comfortable in working in a Linux/Solaris build and development environment; 8+ yrs build and software engineering experience * Good understanding of GNU make, knowledge of other build system like maven, emake, etc * Strong problem solving and troubleshooting skill; Strong oral and written communication skills Desired skills: * Experience producing and supporting one of the Linux OS distribution (i.e., RHEL, SuSE, Debian, MonteVista) * Expertise in various build tools and technologies like Team Builder, cccahe, Hudson would be a plus * Experience in building & supporting GNU and FSF tools in a heterogeneous development environment Education: BS degree, Masters degree preferred --------------------------------------------------------- TechOne is a software consulting company located in south bay. We are seeking to hire an Embedded Linux: Build & Tools Engineer, for a contract assignment in San Jose. Manoj John | TechOne | www.techone-telecom.com 630 Alder Drive, #102, Milpitas, CA 95035 (O) 408 232 1565 From bliss at sfo.com Fri Mar 11 09:13:58 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:13:58 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Sign-up! May 4th, 2011 Day Against DRM Message-ID: Some may be interested -------- Original Message -------- From: - Tue Mar 8 11:37:48 2011 To: Bobbie Sellers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:30:53 -0500 Message-Id: May 4th will be the third annual international Day Against DRM! The Day Against DRM is an opportunity to unite a wide range of projects, public interest organizations, web sites and individuals in an effort to raise public awareness to the danger of technology that requires users to give-up control of their computers or that restricts access to digital data and media. This year, we'll be helping individuals and groups work together to create local actions in their communities -- actions will range from protesting an unfriendly hardware vendor to handing out informative fliers at local public libraries! DefectiveByDesign.org wants to help you plan or get involved in local actions and then broadcast your stories globally. If you are interested in taking part in this year's Day Against DRM, sign-up to our 2011 Day Against DRM mailing list: * ------------------------------- Stop email from this list, but still allow us to contact you occasionally: unsubscribe-1-422-1156763-8ccf7efc40b0bc3365838ce94cb0eaa8a2ea0423 at defectivebydesign.org. Stop receiving all emails from DefectiveByDesign.org: optOut-1-422-1156763-8ccf7efc40b0bc3365838ce94cb0eaa8a2ea0423 at defectivebydesign.org. DefectiveByDesign.org is a project of the Free Software Foundation -- Fifty One Franklin Street, Fifth Floor Boston, 02110 From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri Mar 11 10:54:35 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:54:35 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2011-03-15: Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android; & other BALUG news Message-ID: <20110311105435.11882i59jsxy3twk@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG Tu 2011-03-15: Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android; & other BALUG news In this issue (details further below): 2011-03-15 Tu: BALUG meeting Tu: Jack Deslippe on Developing for Android Debian/Linux/Ubuntu/... CDs 2011-05-17: Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org ------------------------------ Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-03-15 Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-03-15 meeting, we're proud to present: Jack Deslippe[1] on Developing for Android[2] It is has become clear over the last few years that mobile devices such as smartphones, "superphones" and tablets are more than just a passing fad - they are quickly becoming the new primary goto devices for the public's computing and connecting needs. This mobile revolution has given Linux[3] & open-source a second chance at being the OS of choice for the average end-user. In particular, the Linux powered, open-source, Android OS[2] has recently emerged as the number one selling OS on mobile devices in the US. Jack will give a brief introduction to what Android is (and is not) and will discuss the opportunities and challenges of developing for Android. Finally, he will walk us through developing your first Android application on an Ubuntu[4] desktop and talk about some of the development lessons that he learned the hard way. Jack Deslippe is computational physics Ph.D. student candidate at UC Berkeley[5]. He spends his weekdays programming for some of the largest super-computers in the world and his weekends developing for some of the smallest computers (Android phones). He has been using Linux for 10 years on the desktop and server and, 2 years ago, founded the Berkeley Linux Users Group[6]. He is an active member of the Ubuntu-California local team[7] and a developer-of/contributor-to various desktop Linux projects. You can learn more about Jack at jdeslippe.com[1]. 1. http://jdeslippe.com/ 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux 4. http://www.ubuntu.com/ 5. http://www.berkeley.edu/ 6. http://www.berkeleylug.com/ 7. http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (CDs, etc.) So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, March 15th, 2011 2011-03-15 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following): We'll have various Linux(Debian/Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Fedora/...) CDs available at the 2011-03-15 BALUG meeting (and likely also future meetings as long as our supply lasts/continues), most notably presently including: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0 "Squeeze" - latest "stable"(/production) released 2011-02-06: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0 "Squeeze" - Official i386 CD Binary-1 Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0 "Squeeze" - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 Ubuntu 10.10 Desktop CD PC (Intel x86) i386 Kubuntu 10.10 Desktop Edition Fedora 14 i686 And other editions/releases/flavors Thanks to Grant Bowman and the Ubuntu California Team and others for getting CDs to us. ------------------------------ For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-05-17 meeting, we're proud to present: Cloud.com[1]'s Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds As cloud computing has moved beyond hype, becoming a true enterprise-ready tool that cuts IT costs and fits a variety of use cases, IT is seeking new ways to efficiently and cost-effectively build, deploy and manage clouds. Cloud.com's CloudStack Community Edition, available under the GPLv3 license, is an open sourced Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) software platform that simplifies the creation and management of public and private clouds. This platform seamlessly integrates with existing data center infrastructure without the need for modifications, special-purpose hardware or reconfiguration, making it possible for users to instantly realize the benefits of the cloud. CloudStack Community Edition delivers several benefits including: o Massive computing power - providing virtually unlimited CPUs on-demand, as required and billed by actual usage in public, private or hybrid deployments. o Powerful API - Easily build, integrate and use applications based on common cloud APIs like Amazon's Web Services API, Citrix Cloud CenterT (C3) API and the vCloud API o Secure Cloud Computing - Isolating compute, network, and storage resources by user, location and deployment. o Comprehensive Service Management - Defining, metering, deploying and managing services to be consumed within your cloud. o Automated resource distribution - delivering capabilities to automate the distribution of compute, network and storage while adhering to defined policies on load balancing, data security and compliance. o Real-time visibility and reporting capabilities - ensuring compliance, security and comprehensive metering customer usage. o Simplified management - empowering administrators to offset the daily management of services to the end users with a powerful self-service portal that gives the day-to-day management tasks to the user, enabling administrators to focus on more business critical issues while giving the client more control and agility over the service by providing a catalog of custom built and pre-defined machine images. This session will provide best practices for building clouds, and a technical overview and demonstration of CloudStack. Mark Hinkle is Cloud.com's Vice President of Community where he is responsible for driving all of the community efforts around the Cloud.com's leading open source, cloud computing software and ecosystem. Before that he was the force behind the Zenoss Core open source management projects adoption and community involvement, growing community membership to over 100,000 members. He is a co-founder of both the Open Source Management Consortium and the Desktop Linux Consortium, has served as Editor-in-Chief for both LinuxWorld Magazine and Enterprise Open Source Magazine, and authored the book, "Windows to Linux Business Desktop Migration" (Thomson, 2006). Mark has also held executive positions at a number of technology start-ups, including Earthlink, (previously MindSpring)--where he was the head of the technical support organization recognized by PC Computing and PC World as the best in the industry--Win4Lin and Emu Software. 1. http://www.cloud.com/ ------------------------------ Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org You can now follow BALUG on Twitter. We're still working out exactly how we'll use that BALUG_org account on Twitter, but follow us there, and we'll likely include at least some announcements and updates. Thoughts/feedback on how we use that Twitter account? - drop us a note at: publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From bliss at sfo.com Fri Mar 11 17:35:27 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:35:27 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] an interesting SF book Message-ID: The Human Blend by Alan Dean Foster This is set in the not too distant future when the East Coast of the USA is flooded as are most low-lying areas on the planet. The scene is Old Savannah where petty criminals are murdering for the melded parts and run across a very strange item that results in the rest of the action. The item is composted of MetaStable Metallic Hydrogen and seems to be a data storage device. The criminals are Jimminy Criket a human who had melded to his body double length thighs and the muscles and tendons to support them. His companion is Wispr who chose to be very thin since he came from a family of fat people. There are a great variety of melded people and when one surgery goes bad a doctor who does house calls finds a strange item of MSMH in the botched surgery which being quantum entangled vanishes as it is being analyzed. The scene is fantastic with the changes to the South-Eastern USA in the Climate Change and the melded people some of who have adapted their bodies to the conditions and some of whom have adapted the new crocodilians to their own uses. This is the first book of a trilogy. later bliss From grantbow at ubuntu.com Sat Mar 12 00:16:42 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 00:16:42 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Starting Out With Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello SF-LUGers, I would appreciate feedback on what your experiences have been introducing newcomers to Linux, particularly Ubuntu. Cheers, Grant ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Grant Bowman Date: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:10 AM Subject: Starting Out With Linux To: dvlug at linuxmafia.com, berkeleylug at googlegroups.com, ubuntu-us-ca at lists.ubuntu.com A question I hear sometimes is how do I get started with GNU/Linux? The question is difficult to answer as everyone has heard of and understands different pieces of the "computing puzzle" and start from different places. To me this boils down to a lack of knowing beginning keywords. I often start searches at wikipedia to get an overview of a topic and recommend others do too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) ?Adding additional keywords help. For newcomers to Open Source / Free Software there are many new terms to understand and to relate to the ideas they already know. Ubuntu is where newcomers often want to start and it's a great place to start. "Humanity towards others" is an attractive philosophy from Africa and as the most end-user focused distribution it is a great place to start. Version numbers and code names can be confusing, but once people understand the version number is associated with the date I often see a light bulb go off. Understanding LTS versions can help. I often describe what the Linux Kernel is and what a Linux distribution is, mentioning Ubuntu, Red Hat, CentOS, Fedora and Debian. Distrowatch.org can be a bit overwhelming to newcomers but it's a useful site to see the variety and flexibility of how Linux is used in many different ways. I often mention Mark Shuttleworth, Thawte, Canonical and the structures of the Ubuntu communities. Understanding that all the parts of a distribution are legally distributable is a big hurdle for some. Describing how a "live CD" works is important as this is where one starts. Understanding partitioning can be a scary thing for those who haven't backed up their machines or those that have never installed an OS themselves. Installers take care of installing and partitioning but it's always wise to be careful and not rush through installation screens without taking the time to understand what they are really asking you. With the help of BerkeleyLUG.com folks Jack has shepherded the creation of two tri-fold pamphlets as an attempt to summarize what people need to know about Linux before deciding to try it and where to go after they have installed it. http://www.berkeleylug.com/Contributions/ ?I think this effort is outstanding. Additional resources of this nature can be found at http://spreadubuntu.org/ ?Among other very innovative designs, this is a great quick reference for windows users to find software similar to what they use now. ?http://spreadubuntu.org/files/Screenshot_0.png Windows and Mac power users come to Linux with widely differing needs to get started. A few Windows users may know that the Windows NT systems and following Windows versions trace many features to Unix but most do not. Some Mac users may know they are running a form of BSD (Darwin) but some do not. For those wanting a book or narrative form the best places I know for Ubuntu are http://ubuntu-manual.org/ online. For a dead tree (or kindle) option covering 10.04 I recommend http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Mako/dp/0137081308/ aka http://www.pearsonhighered.com/educator/product/Official-Ubuntu-Book-The/9780137081301.page of the many that are now available as Ubuntu becomes every more popular. Again the plethora of choices can be a barrier to newcomers. User groups in our local area are often a big key to encouraging people to try a Linux disc. ?dvlug.org sf-lug.org and berkeleylug.com are great ones among a raft of others in areas further afield to me. Online resources abound, some good, some less useful to beginners. Our golden state has a group that promotes Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu-california.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam are our "external" and "internal" websites. ?We hold IRC meeting every other Sunday night at 7 PM though people talk in the channel whenevery they want. As this is a real time form of communication, it is often useful to wait many hours for a response to questions you might raise to give people a chance to respond when they see what you asked. Giving up and leaving too quickly is a common mistake to understanding how to use IRC effectively. Understanding basics like what an Operating System does and what applications are available is where the boxes at the bottom of wikipedia pages really help me, understanding the context of how ideas fit together. Too much freedom can cause paralysis and leave people less satisfied. ( video: http://on.ted.com/8wIZ ) Opinionated decisions help things move forward for the most common cases at the risk of alienating some. One of the problems is the constant stream of new versions. This has been a problem for linux distributions for a long time, balancing the newest software with stability and reliability. Is there a "best" way to introduce people to knowing more about computing without limits? ?Let me know what you think. Cheers, Grant From jim at well.com Sat Mar 12 08:17:02 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:17:02 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Starting Out With Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1299946622.1824.32.camel@jim-laptop> there are two types of people, those who ask about linux and those i approach about linux. those who ask are generally open, sometimes enthusiastic, often fed up with windows. those whom i approach are generally bored and resistant to the idea of using linux. i approach them again, a year later, maybe, and hope that over time they get curious and open up. those who are willing to try out linux are scared that it's different. i regularly explain that linux, mac, and windows are pretty much all the same, their engineers steal ideas from each other--basically it's the same mouse-clicking no matter what you use. newbies i encounter seem to want a book to cuddle with. my advice is that they should try using linux first and get a book later, cause the book will be meaningful after they've got experience, not before. i also advise newbies to skim over the book, glancing at all the chapters, to get an overview, and to use the index a lot. most every newbie comes with a computer, almost always a laptop. sometimes its their windows machine, sometimes they've bought a new machine. either way, it's essential that they try out linux using a live CD to be sure the distro will work with all their machine's subsystems. of course wifi is the common failure point (thank you broadcom). that's the end of that. sometimes everything works, in which case they want to install but are worried that they'll lose their windows files (and services). this takes explaining dual booting. that's not too hard, but they have a problem developing compensating habits of use. mainly, it takes dedicated training to teach them how to see the windows file system when they're using linux. generally i have them copy the files they want over to their linux partitions. they generally don't understand the differences between data files and programs and services. it's not too tough to teach them that linux programs can work with windows files. as to services, netflix is a good example: they wanna copy their netflix files. it takes repeated explanations to get them to understand that netflix is an internet service and they need a special program that works with that service and netflix doesn't make such a program for linux (i spend only a little time explaining that netflix may be scared that someone will reverse-engineer an app so's to sidestep DRM). skype is another service example, and that has a successful outcome. people who convert generally have a dual boot system and over time seem to migrate to linux only. some people go linux-only right away and seem happy with their experiences. those using old machines regularly appear for help with hard drives or their newly purchased used machines.... the riskiest use case is that of the newbie who's bought a new laptop and wants linux--they had no idea of subsystems and device drivers and compatibility issues. the best case is that of a newbie who comes for advice before buying a computer--i try hard to send them to zareason: * zareason vets the machines to be sure that linux works completely. * zareason installs linux on the machines and will configure it per your wishes (i try to help them learn what to wish for: RAM gives the best bang for the buck.... * zareason sells at low prices, comparable to dell or big-box stores.... * zareason has great customer support, generous, unrestricted.... * zareason is local to the sf bay area; you can go there and check 'em out and try comnputers. * zareason is a family owned and run store. that means friendly policies and a pleasant sales and service experience, working with people who really care and are in a good mood. newbies are particularly impressed when i show them applications > ubuntu software center, like showing a kid a candy store. On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 00:16 -0800, Grant Bowman wrote: > Hello SF-LUGers, > > I would appreciate feedback on what your experiences have been > introducing newcomers to Linux, particularly Ubuntu. > > Cheers, > > Grant > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Grant Bowman > Date: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:10 AM > Subject: Starting Out With Linux > To: dvlug at linuxmafia.com, berkeleylug at googlegroups.com, > ubuntu-us-ca at lists.ubuntu.com > > > A question I hear sometimes is how do I get started with GNU/Linux? > > The question is difficult to answer as everyone has heard of and > understands different pieces of the "computing puzzle" and start from > different places. To me this boils down to a lack of knowing beginning > keywords. I often start searches at wikipedia to get an overview of a > topic and recommend others do too. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) Adding > additional keywords help. For newcomers to Open Source / Free Software > there are many new terms to understand and to relate to the ideas they > already know. > > Ubuntu is where newcomers often want to start and it's a great place > to start. "Humanity towards others" is an attractive philosophy from > Africa and as the most end-user focused distribution it is a great > place to start. Version numbers and code names can be confusing, but > once people understand the version number is associated with the date > I often see a light bulb go off. Understanding LTS versions can help. > I often describe what the Linux Kernel is and what a Linux > distribution is, mentioning Ubuntu, Red Hat, CentOS, Fedora and > Debian. Distrowatch.org can be a bit overwhelming to newcomers but > it's a useful site to see the variety and flexibility of how Linux is > used in many different ways. I often mention Mark Shuttleworth, > Thawte, Canonical and the structures of the Ubuntu communities. > Understanding that all the parts of a distribution are legally > distributable is a big hurdle for some. > > Describing how a "live CD" works is important as this is where one > starts. Understanding partitioning can be a scary thing for those who > haven't backed up their machines or those that have never installed an > OS themselves. Installers take care of installing and partitioning but > it's always wise to be careful and not rush through installation > screens without taking the time to understand what they are really > asking you. > > With the help of BerkeleyLUG.com folks Jack has shepherded the > creation of two tri-fold pamphlets as an attempt to summarize what > people need to know about Linux before deciding to try it and where to > go after they have installed it. > http://www.berkeleylug.com/Contributions/ I think this effort is > outstanding. Additional resources of this nature can be found at > http://spreadubuntu.org/ Among other very innovative designs, this is > a great quick reference for windows users to find software similar to > what they use now. http://spreadubuntu.org/files/Screenshot_0.png > > Windows and Mac power users come to Linux with widely differing needs > to get started. A few Windows users may know that the Windows NT > systems and following Windows versions trace many features to Unix but > most do not. Some Mac users may know they are running a form of BSD > (Darwin) but some do not. > > For those wanting a book or narrative form the best places I know for > Ubuntu are http://ubuntu-manual.org/ online. For a dead tree (or > kindle) option covering 10.04 I recommend > http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Mako/dp/0137081308/ > aka http://www.pearsonhighered.com/educator/product/Official-Ubuntu-Book-The/9780137081301.page > of the many that are now available as Ubuntu becomes every more > popular. Again the plethora of choices can be a barrier to newcomers. > > User groups in our local area are often a big key to encouraging > people to try a Linux disc. dvlug.org sf-lug.org and berkeleylug.com > are great ones among a raft of others in areas further afield to me. > > Online resources abound, some good, some less useful to beginners. > > Our golden state has a group that promotes Ubuntu: > http://www.ubuntu-california.org and > http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam are our "external" and > "internal" websites. We hold IRC meeting every other Sunday night at > 7 PM though people talk in the channel whenevery they want. As this is > a real time form of communication, it is often useful to wait many > hours for a response to questions you might raise to give people a > chance to respond when they see what you asked. Giving up and leaving > too quickly is a common mistake to understanding how to use IRC > effectively. > > Understanding basics like what an Operating System does and what > applications are available is where the boxes at the bottom of > wikipedia pages really help me, understanding the context of how ideas > fit together. > > Too much freedom can cause paralysis and leave people less satisfied. > ( video: http://on.ted.com/8wIZ ) Opinionated decisions help things > move forward for the most common cases at the risk of alienating some. > One of the problems is the constant stream of new versions. This has > been a problem for linux distributions for a long time, balancing the > newest software with stability and reliability. > > Is there a "best" way to introduce people to knowing more about > computing without limits? Let me know what you think. > > Cheers, > > Grant > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From mhigashi at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 11:46:23 2011 From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:46:23 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] an interesting SF book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > ? ? ? ?The Human Blend by Alan Dean Foster > ? ? ? ?This is set in the not too distant future when the East Coast of the > USA is flooded as are most low-lying areas on the planet. If you're looking for more titles to read, there's a really good book-oriented science-fiction convention this weekend, at the Holiday Inn on Van Ness. It's called FOGcon (Friends of Genre Convention). http://fogcon.org/ Mike From bliss at sfo.com Sat Mar 12 12:22:06 2011 From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:22:06 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] an interesting SF book In-Reply-To: <4D7ACDDF.1020007@sfo.com> References: <4D7ACDDF.1020007@sfo.com> Message-ID: Sorry this was sent to SF-LUG by accident. It was intended for another mailing list where we have a few SF fans. On 03/11/2011 05:35 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > The Human Blend by Alan Dean Foster > This is set in the not too distant future when the East Coast of the USA > is flooded as are most low-lying areas on the planet. > snip later bobbie > From jturner at nonzerosums.org Sun Mar 13 13:53:06 2011 From: jturner at nonzerosums.org (Jason Turner) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:53:06 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <1299782852.1757.34.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> <20110310181357.GA29655@sonic.net> <1299782852.1757.34.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <607e8c02f8a1ed3227ab66fbf323618f.squirrel@webmail.nonzerosums.org> It's [meta] information mgmt questions like this that reveal just how confused I've become. Once upon a time, I might have had a strong opinion about this but have been bitten every which route I traveled so... My first thought was similar to Bill's, I think. Do both! If you can "afford it"(extra disk space, filesystem limits on inodes, certain disk operations being a little(or a lot) more expensive). Specifically, I think I'd put "OLD" in subdirs in the physical disk and create a top level /OLD "virtual" directory with symlinks. That just appeals to some possibly irrational sense of organization to me. Perhaps you'd prefer to go the other way? But you've already said that this approach "doesn't resolve the naming strategic question". And I'm not sure I follow you. If you did decide that you wanted a copy of OLD on removable media, then no problem in my "expensive" setup, right? I just presume disks are getting bigger if you wonder why I'm nonchalant about incurring that expense. I think I'll stop digging my hole. I'm thinking about updating from my getting-a-little-long-in-tooth G4 laptop so whatever you decide, let us know! -- jt > > symlinks solves the problem of leanness in the > working directories, but doesn't resolve the naming > strategic question. > And what if I want the OLD stuff on some external, > removeable media? I might be able to put up with the > occasional inconvenience of waiting to access old > stuff until I get home or hook up the external storage.... > thanks! > > > > On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 10:13 -0800, Bill Kendrick wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 09:19:32PM -0800, jim wrote: >> > >> > crikey, ken! that's a good thought, too! >> > >> > maybe i should do both? have a top-level >> > OLD/ tree for some stuff and for other >> > stuff have OLD subdirectories, kind of >> > like the various bin/ and lib/ and other >> > directories scattered around the system. >> >> What about symlinks? >> >> Have OLD/x/y/z >> >> and then use symbolic links in your new tree...? >> >> x/y/z/OLD -> ~/OLD/x/y/z >> >> *shrug* >> >> -bill! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From jim at well.com Sun Mar 13 14:52:22 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:52:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <607e8c02f8a1ed3227ab66fbf323618f.squirrel@webmail.nonzerosums.org> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> <20110310181357.GA29655@sonic.net> <1299782852.1757.34.camel@jim-laptop> <607e8c02f8a1ed3227ab66fbf323618f.squirrel@webmail.nonzerosums.org> Message-ID: <1300053142.1886.32.camel@jim-laptop> hiya, jason! it was the symlink business that i thought did not address the naming issue. as to directory structure, i've decided the following: current/ # stuff i'm currently working on this/ # stuff i'm likely to work on but is not in current/ this/bak/ # copies of stuff that's important this/old/ # stuff i probably won't look at this/saf/ # copies of stuff that i'm currently working with this/yearbeforelast/ # stuff that's older than old /old/this/yearbeforeyearbeforelast/ # probably obvious /bak/this/ # identical to this/bak/ plus older stuff i want you raise an interesting point: the current technology is so different in degree from the technologies of the 1970s and 1980s that there are strategic differentiations that have resulted from the changes in degree. storage capacity to some degree has become a non-issue. got lots of new, modern media files? get yourself some multi-terrabyte drives, no problem. but the namespace issue persists: do i set up lots of shallow directories or few deep directories? my brain didn't get bigger in the last few decades: i still have an upper limit of areas i can manage as well as an upper limit as to the detail of any one area. i may have learned something useful: don't take anything very seriously: tolerate exceptions, just remember i'm gonna have to manage them. On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 15:53 -0500, Jason Turner wrote: > It's [meta] information mgmt questions like this that reveal just how > confused I've become. Once upon a time, I might have had a strong opinion > about this but have been bitten every which route I traveled so... > > My first thought was similar to Bill's, I think. Do both! If you can > "afford it"(extra disk space, filesystem limits on inodes, certain disk > operations being a little(or a lot) more expensive). Specifically, I > think I'd put "OLD" in subdirs in the physical disk and create a top level > /OLD "virtual" directory with symlinks. That just appeals to some > possibly irrational sense of organization to me. Perhaps you'd prefer to > go the other way? > > But you've already said that this approach "doesn't resolve the naming > strategic question". And I'm not sure I follow you. If you did decide > that you wanted a copy of OLD on removable media, then no problem in my > "expensive" setup, right? I just presume disks are getting bigger if you > wonder why I'm nonchalant about incurring that expense. > > I think I'll stop digging my hole. I'm thinking about updating from my > getting-a-little-long-in-tooth G4 laptop so whatever you decide, let us > know! > > -- > jt > > > > > symlinks solves the problem of leanness in the > > working directories, but doesn't resolve the naming > > strategic question. > > And what if I want the OLD stuff on some external, > > removeable media? I might be able to put up with the > > occasional inconvenience of waiting to access old > > stuff until I get home or hook up the external storage.... > > thanks! > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 10:13 -0800, Bill Kendrick wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 09:19:32PM -0800, jim wrote: > >> > > >> > crikey, ken! that's a good thought, too! > >> > > >> > maybe i should do both? have a top-level > >> > OLD/ tree for some stuff and for other > >> > stuff have OLD subdirectories, kind of > >> > like the various bin/ and lib/ and other > >> > directories scattered around the system. > >> > >> What about symlinks? > >> > >> Have OLD/x/y/z > >> > >> and then use symbolic links in your new tree...? > >> > >> x/y/z/OLD -> ~/OLD/x/y/z > >> > >> *shrug* > >> > >> -bill! > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sf-lug mailing list > >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From jturner at nonzerosums.org Mon Mar 14 12:26:30 2011 From: jturner at nonzerosums.org (Jason Turner) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:30 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <1300053142.1886.32.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> <20110310181357.GA29655@sonic.net> <1299782852.1757.34.camel@jim-laptop> <607e8c02f8a1ed3227ab66fbf323618f.squirrel@webmail.nonzerosums.org> <1300053142.1886.32.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <97fbd7ab-64bd-4e7f-8438-f7b9b9505d73@email.android.com> Good attitude, IMHO. You're doing a lot of meta-tagging in your dir structure. How long before one of the linux filesystems has a feature that does this for you -- similar to the Smart Folders concept in many email clients(using virtual folders again)? While one could write one's own script to create smart tags like this, it seems a lot less headache(and not much to ask these days) to have all this managed by the filesytem. (This is where someone keeping up with proposed changes in filesystem dev circles chimes in). Jim, thanks for sharing your system. You've made me think about my own. Which, to be honest, has most often involved me giving up on smart archival methods and just deleting gigs wily nily(usually to lessen the pain of backups). Then crying about it sometime later. And then a little later, forgetting what I cried about... -- Jt jim wrote: hiya, jason! it was the symlink business that i thought did not address the naming issue. as to directory structure, i've decided the following: current/ # stuff i'm currently working on this/ # stuff i'm likely to work on but is not in current/ this/bak/ # copies of stuff that's important this/old/ # stuff i probably won't look at this/saf/ # copies of stuff that i'm currently working with this/yearbeforelast/ # stuff that's older than old /old/this/yearbeforeyearbeforelast/ # probably obvious /bak/this/ # identical to this/bak/ plus older stuff i want you raise an interesting point: the current technology is so different in degree from the technologies of the 1970s and 1980s that there are strategic differentiations that have resulted from the changes in degree. storage capacity to some degree has become a non-issue. got lots of new, modern media files? get yourself some multi-terrabyte drives, no problem. but the namespace issue persists: do i set up lots of shallow directories or few deep directories? my brain didn't get bigger in the last few decades: i still have an upper limit of areas i can manage as well as an upper limit as to the detail of any one area. i may have learned something useful: don't take anything very seriously: tolerate exceptions, just remember i'm gonna have to manage them. On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 15:53 -0500, Jason Turner wrote: > It's [meta] information mgmt questions like this that reveal just how > confused I've become. Once upon a time, I might have had a strong opinion > about this but have been bitten every which route I traveled so... > > My first thought was similar to Bill's, I think. Do both! If you can > "afford it"(extra disk space, filesystem limits on inodes, certain disk > operations being a little(or a lot) more expensive). Specifically, I > think I'd put "OLD" in subdirs in the physical disk and create a top level > /OLD "virtual" directory with symlinks. That just appeals to some > possibly irrational sense of organization to me. Perhaps you'd prefer to > go the other way? > > But you've already said that this approach "doesn't resolve the naming > strategic question". And I'm not sure I follow you. If you did decide > that you wanted a copy of OLD on removable media, then no problem in my > "expensive" setup, right? I just presume disks are getting bigger if you > wonder why I'm nonchalant about incurring that expense. > > I think I'll stop digging my hole. I'm thinking about updating from my > getting-a-little-long-in-tooth G4 laptop so whatever you decide, let us > know! > > -- > jt > > > > > symlinks solves the problem of leanness in the > > working directories, but doesn't resolve the naming > > strategic question. > > And what if I want the OLD stuff on some external, > > removeable media? I might be able to put up with the > > occasional inconvenience of waiting to access old > > stuff until I get home or hook up the external storage.... > > thanks! > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 10:13 -0800, Bill Kendrick wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 09:19:32PM -0800, jim wrote: > >> > > >> > crikey, ken! that's a good thought, too! > >> > > >> > maybe i should do both? have a top-level > >> > OLD/ tree for some stuff and for other > >> > stuff have OLD subdirectories, kind of > >> > like the various bin/ and lib/ and other > >> > directories scattered around the system. > >> > >> What about symlinks? > >> > >> Have OLD/x/y/z > >> > >> and then use symbolic links in your new tree...? > >> > >> x/y/z/OLD -> ~/OLD/x/y/z > >> > >> *shrug* > >> > >> -bill! > >> > >>_____________________________________________ > >> sf-lug mailing list > >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > >_____________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > >_____________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-03-15 meeting, we're proud to present: Jack Deslippe[1] on Developing for Android[2] It is has become clear over the last few years that mobile devices such as smartphones, "superphones" and tablets are more than just a passing fad - they are quickly becoming the new primary goto devices for the public's computing and connecting needs. This mobile revolution has given Linux[3] & open-source a second chance at being the OS of choice for the average end-user. In particular, the Linux powered, open-source, Android OS[2] has recently emerged as the number one selling OS on mobile devices in the US. Jack will give a brief introduction to what Android is (and is not) and will discuss the opportunities and challenges of developing for Android. Finally, he will walk us through developing your first Android application on an Ubuntu[4] desktop and talk about some of the development lessons that he learned the hard way. Jack Deslippe is computational physics Ph.D. student candidate at UC Berkeley[5]. He spends his weekdays programming for some of the largest super-computers in the world and his weekends developing for some of the smallest computers (Android phones). He has been using Linux for 10 years on the desktop and server and, 2 years ago, founded the Berkeley Linux Users Group[6]. He is an active member of the Ubuntu-California local team[7] and a developer-of/contributor-to various desktop Linux projects. 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Cloud.com's CloudStack Community Edition, available under the GPLv3 license, is an open sourced Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) software platform that simplifies the creation and management of public and private clouds. This platform seamlessly integrates with existing data center infrastructure without the need for modifications, special-purpose hardware or reconfiguration, making it possible for users to instantly realize the benefits of the cloud. CloudStack Community Edition delivers several benefits including: o Massive computing power - providing virtually unlimited CPUs on-demand, as required and billed by actual usage in public, private or hybrid deployments. o Powerful API - Easily build, integrate and use applications based on common cloud APIs like Amazon's Web Services API, Citrix Cloud CenterT (C3) API and the vCloud API o Secure Cloud Computing - Isolating compute, network, and storage resources by user, location and deployment. o Comprehensive Service Management - Defining, metering, deploying and managing services to be consumed within your cloud. o Automated resource distribution - delivering capabilities to automate the distribution of compute, network and storage while adhering to defined policies on load balancing, data security and compliance. o Real-time visibility and reporting capabilities - ensuring compliance, security and comprehensive metering customer usage. o Simplified management - empowering administrators to offset the daily management of services to the end users with a powerful self-service portal that gives the day-to-day management tasks to the user, enabling administrators to focus on more business critical issues while giving the client more control and agility over the service by providing a catalog of custom built and pre-defined machine images. This session will provide best practices for building clouds, and a technical overview and demonstration of CloudStack. Mark Hinkle is Cloud.com's Vice President of Community where he is responsible for driving all of the community efforts around the Cloud.com's leading open source, cloud computing software and ecosystem. Before that he was the force behind the Zenoss Core open source management projects adoption and community involvement, growing community membership to over 100,000 members. He is a co-founder of both the Open Source Management Consortium and the Desktop Linux Consortium, has served as Editor-in-Chief for both LinuxWorld Magazine and Enterprise Open Source Magazine, and authored the book, "Windows to Linux Business Desktop Migration" (Thomson, 2006). Mark has also held executive positions at a number of technology start-ups, including Earthlink, (previously MindSpring)--where he was the head of the technical support organization recognized by PC Computing and PC World as the best in the industry--Win4Lin and Emu Software. 1. http://www.cloud.com/ ------------------------------ Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org You can now follow BALUG on Twitter. We're still working out exactly how we'll use that BALUG_org account on Twitter, but follow us there, and we'll likely include at least some announcements and updates. Thoughts/feedback on how we use that Twitter account? - drop us a note at: publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Mon Mar 14 15:12:28 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:12:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] directory tree organization question In-Reply-To: <97fbd7ab-64bd-4e7f-8438-f7b9b9505d73@email.android.com> References: <1299538648.1951.123.camel@jim-laptop> <1299552557.1951.234.camel@jim-laptop> <1299558694.1951.280.camel@jim-laptop> <1299561572.1951.284.camel@jim-laptop> <20110310181357.GA29655@sonic.net> <1299782852.1757.34.camel@jim-laptop> <607e8c02f8a1ed3227ab66fbf323618f.squirrel@webmail.nonzerosums.org> <1300053142.1886.32.camel@jim-laptop> <97fbd7ab-64bd-4e7f-8438-f7b9b9505d73@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1300140748.1761.5.camel@jim-laptop> me, too. i've got tarballs by the dozens. i try to save important stuff in the important tarball(s). email is in the email tarball(s). most all of it is crap that i'll never look at again; if only i knew which. On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 14:26 -0500, Jason Turner wrote: > Good attitude, IMHO. > > You're doing a lot of meta-tagging in your dir structure. How long > before one of the linux filesystems has a feature that does this for > you -- similar to the Smart Folders concept in many email > clients(using virtual folders again)? While one could write one's own > script to create smart tags like this, it seems a lot less > headache(and not much to ask these days) to have all this managed by > the filesytem. > > (This is where someone keeping up with proposed changes in filesystem > dev circles chimes in). > > Jim, thanks for sharing your system. You've made me think about my > own. Which, to be honest, has most often involved me giving up on > smart archival methods and just deleting gigs wily nily(usually to > lessen the pain of backups). Then crying about it sometime later. And > then a little later, forgetting what I cried about... > > -- > Jt > > > > jim wrote: > hiya, jason! it was the symlink business that i thought did > not address the naming issue. as to directory structure, i've > decided the following: current/ # stuff i'm currently working > on this/ # stuff i'm likely to work on but is not in current/ > this/bak/ # copies of stuff that's important this/old/ # stuff > i probably won't look at this/saf/ # copies of stuff that i'm > currently working with this/yearbeforelast/ # stuff that's > older than old /old/this/yearbeforeyearbeforelast/ # probably > obvious /bak/this/ # identical to this/bak/ plus older stuff i > want you raise an interesting point: the current technology is > so different in degree from the technologies of the 1970s and > 1980s that there are strategic differentiations that have > resulted from the changes in degree. storage capacity to some > degree has become a non-issue. got lots of new, modern media > files? get yourself some multi-terrabyte drives, no problem. > but the namespace issue persists: do i set up lots of shallow > directories or few deep directories? my brain didn't get > bigger in the last few decades: i still have an upper limit of > areas i can manage as well as an upper limit as to the detail > of any one area. i may have learned something useful: don't > take anything very seriously: tolerate exceptions, just > remember i'm gonna have to manage them. On Sun, 2011-03-13 at > 15:53 -0500, Jason Turner wrote: > It's [meta] information > mgmt questions like this that reveal just how > confused I've > become. Once upon a time, I might have had a strong opinion > > about this but have been bitten every which route I traveled > so... > > My first thought was similar to Bill's, I think. Do > both! If you can > "afford it"(extra disk space, filesystem > limits on inodes, certain disk > operations being a little(or > a lot) more expensive). Specifically, I > think I'd put "OLD" > in subdirs in the physical disk and create a top level > /OLD > "virtual" directory with symlinks. That just appeals to some > > possibly irrational sense of organization to me. Perhaps you'd > prefer to > go the other way? > > But you've already said that > this approach "doesn't resolve the naming > strategic > question". And I'm not sure I follow you. If you did decide > > that you wanted a copy of OLD on removable media, then no > problem in my > "expensive" setup, right? I just presume disks > are getting bigger if you > wonder why I'm nonchalant about > incurring that expense. > > I think I'll stop digging my hole. > I'm thinking about updating from my > > getting-a-little-long-in-tooth G4 laptop so whatever you > decide, let us > know! > > -- > jt > > > > > symlinks solves > the problem of leanness in the > > working directories, but > doesn't resolve the naming > > strategic question. > > And > what if I want the OLD stuff on some external, > > removeable > media? I might be able to put up with the > > occasional > inconvenience of waiting to access old > > stuff until I get > home or hook up the external storage.... > > thanks! > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 10:13 -0800, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > >> On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 09:19:32PM -0800, jim wrote: > >> > > > >> > crikey, ken! that's a good thought, too! > >> > > >> > > maybe i should do both? have a top-level > >> > OLD/ tree > for some stuff and for other > >> > stuff have OLD > subdirectories, kind of > >> > like the various bin/ and lib/ > and other > >> > directories scattered around the system. > >> > > >> What about symlinks? > >> > >> Have OLD/x/y/z > >> > >> > and then use symbolic links in your new tree...? > >> > >> > x/y/z/OLD -> ~/OLD/x/y/z > >> > >> *shrug* > >> > >> -bill! > > >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ > > >> sf-lug mailing list > >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > >> Information > about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information > about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information > about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From a10cuba at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 09:50:51 2011 From: a10cuba at hotmail.com (terry) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:50:51 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 13 bay lug meating question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: does any one have tools or know how to install linux on my g4 laptop 800mhz 1.5gb ram .I was thinking install to my external drive ty Terry 415-424-2668. From john_re at fastmail.us Wed Mar 16 06:38:49 2011 From: john_re at fastmail.us (giovanni_re) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:38:49 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Flypool to LUGOD? - Re: LUGOD March 21: "Full Scale Flight Simulators" In-Reply-To: <201103040143.p241h3Vq019037@bolt.sonic.net> References: <201103040143.p241h3Vq019037@bolt.sonic.net> Message-ID: <1300282729.10248.1430416537@webmail.messagingengine.com> Do you pilot a flying vehicle? Are you interested in attending this talk? - It looks rather interesting, from several aspects. Could you give me a lift from in or around Berkeley up to the talk? I'd be willing to help share expenses, fuel, etc. Possible pick up places, depending on details, might be some rather unused road near the Berkeley Marina, The ex Alameda Naval Air Station, Oakland Airport, or the water near the Berkeley Marina if you have a water capable flying craft. Would regular airplanes, or ultralight two-plus person aircraft, be able to land & take off from a place that is not a regular airport? Thanks. :) [PS: Also of interest: Marble (global mapping sw), & integrating aerial images into that.] == Join in the Global weekly meetings, via voice, about all Free SW HW & Culture http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/ ----- Original message ----- From: "nbs" To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:43:03 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, March 21: "Full Scale Flight Simulators" The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding the following meeting this month: Monday March 21, 2011 7:00pm - 9:00pm Presentation: "Full Scale Flight Simulators" John Wojnaroski, Chief Engineer, LFS Technologies, Inc. LFS Technologies has developed a suite of hardware, electronics, and software that has been integrated with open source projects such as FlightGear flight simulator, JSBSim flight dynamics model, and OpenSceneGraph. The preferred platform is a Linux-based PC with the real-time extensions provided by RTAI/Xenomai. Both hardware and software are designed to function as an integrated package that provides turn-key operations out of the box while retaining the ability to customize and tailor hardware and software to customer requirements. A 737NG flightdeck simulator was delivered to NASA/Ames in 2008. The Global Observer program at AeroVironment is currently using the electronics to operate a pilot workstation for the air vehicle. LFS developed flight simulators include electro-mechanical devices that provide flight control force loading systems, autopilots, and auto-throttle control systems. One of LFS's goals is to provide a more flexible and dynamic environment for research organizations and an alternative simulation platform to Microsoft based systems. The software architecture employs object oriented design principles and C++. To that end several licensing options are available that allow the end user to replace LFS developed libraries and modules with in-house products that maximize software efficiencies and speed of execution by direct compilation and linking into an executable binary program. The architecture employs Linux-based IPCs such as shared memory and UDP network interfaces and task structures and organization that operate on single-CPU PCs and can just as easily run on multi-core machines. About the Speaker: John Wojnaroski is the Chief Engineer with LFS Technologies. A member of AIAA, he has held research positions at CalTech/JPL and the Mitre Corporation. At Northrop he led the Avionics Department developing the software and graphic displays for the B-2 aircraft. He has over 3000 hours of flying experience in high performance fighter aircraft and holds a multi-engine commercial pilots license with an instrument rating as well as a BS in engineering and a MS in Astronautics from Purdue University. This meeting will be held at: Yolo County Public Library, Davis Branch (Mary L. Stephens Branch) 315 East 14th Street Davis, California 95616 For more details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/ ------------ About LUGOD: ------------ The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source and Free Software. Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater Sacramento region. Events are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for more details: http://www.lugod.org/ -- Bill Kendrick pr at lugod.org Public Relations Officer Linux Users' Group of Davis http://www.lugod.org/ (Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ) _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 10:03:01 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:03:01 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? Message-ID: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> I do an upgrade pretty much every day, and catch something every couple of days. I'm surprised at how often Firefox gets updates. Is it really undergoing so many changes, or is some plugin tricking it into thinking it's the wrong version? I did switch to some beta release awhile ago, but now I'm mainstream, I think: Ubuntu 10.10, Firefox 3.6.16pre -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Keep informed at http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From jim at systemateka.com Wed Mar 16 10:20:44 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:20:44 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] tonight, wed 20110316, at noisebridge 6 to 8, linux on a tablet Message-ID: <1300296044.1834.27.camel@jim-laptop> Hiya, tonight, at noisebridge, the linux discussion group meets from 6 to 8 PM (as usual, every wednesday evening): someone promises to bring a tablet that's running linux! noisebridge is located at 2169 mission street between 17th and 18th streets on the third floor. press the button in the gate (to the left of the fruit market) if the gate is closed. http://www.noisebridge.net From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 16 10:40:15 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:40:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> On 03/16/2011 10:03 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > I do an upgrade pretty much every day, and catch something every > couple of days. > > I'm surprised at how often Firefox gets updates. Is it really > undergoing so many changes, or is some plugin tricking it into > thinking it's the wrong version? > > I did switch to some beta release awhile ago, but now I'm mainstream, > I think: > > Ubuntu 10.10, Firefox 3.6.16pre > > Mandriva PowerPack 2010.2, Firefox 3.6.15. Firefox 4.x.x in strong beta so yes they update as often as practical for the system. I am getting 127 packages of updates to various parts of Mandriva as I type this. Also got the new Linux Pro magazine and it come with an Eco disk more flexible and lighter than the normal DVDs we have been seeing and on that disk is Mandriva Free 2010.2. People who are interested ask me why I run Mandriva Powerpack. In the USA the recording part of the entertainment industry insists on various protections on the DVDs such as Region codes and other items. They have licensed MS to provide these and maybe Apple as well. By getting the Powerpack and paying for it I get the license from a company called Fluendo so that I can play entertainment DVDs on my computer. But... later bliss From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 10:48:59 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:48:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <4D80F80B.8050207@gmail.com> Are you saying that 3.6.16pre is beta for 4.x.x? I didn't realize that. Guess I am still running the beta. Fine with me; that explains it. On 03/16/2011 10:40 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 03/16/2011 10:03 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> I do an upgrade pretty much every day, and catch something every >> couple of days. >> >> I'm surprised at how often Firefox gets updates. Is it really >> undergoing so many changes, or is some plugin tricking it into >> thinking it's the wrong version? >> >> I did switch to some beta release awhile ago, but now I'm mainstream, >> I think: >> >> Ubuntu 10.10, Firefox 3.6.16pre >> >> > Mandriva PowerPack 2010.2, Firefox 3.6.15. > > Firefox 4.x.x in strong beta so yes they update as often as > practical for the system. > > I am getting 127 packages of updates to various parts of > Mandriva as I type this. > > Also got the new Linux Pro magazine and it come with > an Eco disk more flexible and lighter than the normal DVDs > we have been seeing and on that disk is Mandriva Free 2010.2. > > People who are interested ask me why I run Mandriva Powerpack. > In the USA the recording part of the entertainment industry insists > on various protections on the DVDs such as Region codes and other > items. They have licensed MS to provide these and maybe Apple > as well. By getting the Powerpack and paying for it I get the license > from a company called Fluendo so that I can play entertainment > DVDs on my computer. > > But... > > later > bliss > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Keep informed at http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Mar 16 10:49:38 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:49:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20110316174938.GT16947@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > People who are interested ask me why I run Mandriva Powerpack. In the > USA the recording part of the entertainment industry insists on > various protections on the DVDs such as Region codes and other items. > They have licensed MS to provide these and maybe Apple as well. By > getting the Powerpack and paying for it I get the license from a > company called Fluendo so that I can play entertainment DVDs on my > computer. Getting libdvdcss is not at all difficult on _any_ Linux or BSD distribution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss#Distribution -- Rick Moen Vila: "Why don't you go?" Avon: "_You_ are expendable." rick at linuxmafia.com Vila: "And you're not?" Avon: "No, I am not. McQ! (4x80) I am not expendable, I'm not stupid, and I'm not going." -- Blake's Seven From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 16 11:04:36 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:04:36 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <20110316174938.GT16947@linuxmafia.com> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> <20110316174938.GT16947@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4D80FBB4.1030701@dslextreme.com> On 03/16/2011 10:49 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > >> People who are interested ask me why I run Mandriva Powerpack. In the >> USA the recording part of the entertainment industry insists on >> various protections on the DVDs such as Region codes and other items. >> They have licensed MS to provide these and maybe Apple as well. By >> getting the Powerpack and paying for it I get the license from a >> company called Fluendo so that I can play entertainment DVDs on my >> computer. > Getting libdvdcss is not at all difficult on _any_ Linux or BSD > distribution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss#Distribution > I tried that early on in my Linux use but had problems that convinced me to leave that to the more knowledgeable. later bliss From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Mar 16 11:29:32 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:29:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <4D80FBB4.1030701@dslextreme.com> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> <20110316174938.GT16947@linuxmafia.com> <4D80FBB4.1030701@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20110316182932.GU16947@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): [libdvdcss/libdvdcss2:] > I tried that early on in my Linux use but had problems that convinced > me to leave that to the more knowledgeable. 'Problems'? It's a _library_, man -- and a highly standardised one, at that! There aren't 'problems'; you just plunk it on your hard drive. Apps that need it, use it, automatically via standard dynamic library calls without you needing to even know what's happening. You fetch the .deb or .rpm or whatever, do a bog-standard package install, and you're all done. Not brain surgery. VLC, Xine, Ogle, MPlayer, etc. use it automatically if present. From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 11:34:10 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:34:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] libdvdcss (was: Re: Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <4D80FBB4.1030701@dslextreme.com> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> <20110316174938.GT16947@linuxmafia.com> <4D80FBB4.1030701@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <4D8102A2.9030604@gmail.com> please don't hijack threads On 03/16/2011 11:04 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 03/16/2011 10:49 AM, Rick Moen wrote: >> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): >> >>> People who are interested ask me why I run Mandriva Powerpack. In the >>> USA the recording part of the entertainment industry insists on >>> various protections on the DVDs such as Region codes and other items. >>> They have licensed MS to provide these and maybe Apple as well. By >>> getting the Powerpack and paying for it I get the license from a >>> company called Fluendo so that I can play entertainment DVDs on my >>> computer. >> Getting libdvdcss is not at all difficult on _any_ Linux or BSD >> distribution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss#Distribution >> > I tried that early on in my Linux use > but had problems that convinced me to > leave that to the more knowledgeable. > > later > bliss > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Keep informed at http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From ramin-list at badapple.net Wed Mar 16 11:37:53 2011 From: ramin-list at badapple.net (Ramin K) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:37:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D810381.5020601@badapple.net> On 3/16/2011 10:03 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > I do an upgrade pretty much every day, and catch something every couple > of days. > > I'm surprised at how often Firefox gets updates. Is it really undergoing > so many changes, or is some plugin tricking it into thinking it's the > wrong version? > > I did switch to some beta release awhile ago, but now I'm mainstream, I > think: > > Ubuntu 10.10, Firefox 3.6.16pre I think it's been a busy month for FF in general. 3.6.14 hit on Mar 1st and 3.5.15 on Mar 4th. I think the Hack to Own contest has created a fair number of bugs to be fixed. However are you sure you're not using a beta Firefox PPA or other repo? Ramin From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 11:52:17 2011 From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:52:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <4D810381.5020601@badapple.net> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> <4D810381.5020601@badapple.net> Message-ID: <4D8106E1.8080101@gmail.com> could be. i think so. thanks! On 03/16/2011 11:37 AM, Ramin K wrote: > On 3/16/2011 10:03 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> I do an upgrade pretty much every day, and catch something every couple >> of days. >> >> I'm surprised at how often Firefox gets updates. Is it really undergoing >> so many changes, or is some plugin tricking it into thinking it's the >> wrong version? >> >> I did switch to some beta release awhile ago, but now I'm mainstream, I >> think: >> >> Ubuntu 10.10, Firefox 3.6.16pre > > I think it's been a busy month for FF in general. 3.6.14 hit on Mar 1st > and 3.5.15 on Mar 4th. I think the Hack to Own contest has created a > fair number of bugs to be fixed. However are you sure you're not using a > beta Firefox PPA or other repo? > > Ramin > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -- Michael Shiloh KA6RCQ www.teachmetomake.com teachmetomake.wordpress.com Keep informed at http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make From a10cuba at hotmail.com Wed Mar 16 13:24:19 2011 From: a10cuba at hotmail.com (terry) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:24:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Vol 62, Issue 15 tonight noisebridge need macbook help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have an i7 apple laptop I want to run linux on and a 7in ereader that I want to flash the rom on any one game to help?.... ps the apple has no screen any one have an external monitor dongal adapter and screen I can use for the setup or recommend whare to find one cheep thanks Terry 415-424-2668 From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 16 13:31:57 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:31:57 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] libdvdcss/libdvdcss2 xRe: Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <20110316182932.GU16947@linuxmafia.com> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> <20110316174938.GT16947@linuxmafia.com> <4D80FBB4.1030701@dslextreme.com> <20110316182932.GU16947@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <4D811E3D.4020002@dslextreme.com> On 03/16/2011 11:29 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > > [libdvdcss/libdvdcss2:] > >> I tried that early on in my Linux use but had problems that convinced >> me to leave that to the more knowledgeable. > 'Problems'? It's a _library_, man -- and a highly standardised one, at > that! There aren't 'problems'; you just plunk it on your hard drive. > Apps that need it, use it, automatically via standard dynamic library > calls without you needing to even know what's happening. > > You fetch the .deb or .rpm or whatever, do a bog-standard package > install, and you're all done. Not brain surgery. VLC, Xine, Ogle, > MPlayer, etc. use it automatically if present. You don't seem to grasp how dumb or ignorant of such matters an old lady can be who never took computer science because there were no personal computers until I was an adult. Half the time I only know what I am doing because I have done it over and over again and began to figure out some few matters. The other half of the time I have no clue at all. I am just following some better informed person's recipe just like I do when I cook strange dishes. I looked at the sites that had the material apparently at the time but it seemed difficult to get the material and it was not supplied in the forms you mention. There seemed to be some legal problems over its use as well. No one I was talking to at the SF-LUG at the time seemed to know much about installing and using it but perhaps it was my failure to communicate. Perhaps it comes from having lived long enough to remember things that other younger people were (un) fortunate enough to never have lived through. later bliss From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Mar 16 15:10:38 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:10:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] libdvdcss/libdvdcss2 xRe: Are there really such frequent updates to Firefox? In-Reply-To: <4D811E3D.4020002@dslextreme.com> References: <4D80ED45.4090804@gmail.com> <4D80F5FF.3080008@dslextreme.com> <20110316174938.GT16947@linuxmafia.com> <4D80FBB4.1030701@dslextreme.com> <20110316182932.GU16947@linuxmafia.com> <4D811E3D.4020002@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20110316221038.GT16968@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com): > You don't seem to grasp how dumb or ignorant of > such matters an old lady can be who never took computer > science because there were no personal computers until > I was an adult. Well, you can always get help from any LUG, and thus not need to buy proprietary software from Mandriva and be limited to their distribution. (Nothing wrong with running their distribution, but it's nice to have wider choices.) Anyway, you say you follow recipes; absolutely. Fine idea. Web-searching for a few minutes for 'libdvdcss' and the name of pretty much any distro will bring up a recipe. > I looked at the sites that had the material apparently at > the time but it seemed difficult to get the material and it > was not supplied in the forms you mention. I believe you mean that you didn't disregard materials in less-useful forms (such as source code) and look specifically for packages specific to your distro. It's just not that difficult, and uses generic Web-searching techniques with no technical knowledge required. Here, let me give you an example. Let's say you're running Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat. You start with the obvious Web search: libdvdcss ubuntu First hit is help.ubuntu.com's RestrictedFormatsPlayingDVDs page. For Ubuntu 10.10, there are dirt-simple instructions: Install the libdvdread4 package (no need to add third party repositories) via Synaptic or command line: sudo apt-get install libdvdread4 > There seemed to be some legal problems over its use as well. Yes, in the USA it's called 'DMCA'. You may have heard of it. Our Lords in Hollywood desire to control where and when we are permitted to enjoy their wares, and bought legislation in Congress that makes 'circumvention devices' technically unlawful. However, Our Lords in Hollywood would never in a million years attempt to pick you as a defendent, because they fear having the 'circumvention' provision struck down as being blatantly unjust if they deploy it against someone who cannot be effectively villified -- and people are using the libdvdcss libraries to view and otherwise use on Linux lawfully purchased Hollywood movie DVDs all over the world without fear. -- Rick Moen "Julianne Moore probably took the role of Sarah Palin rick at linuxmafia.com because actors win awards for playing handicapped people." McQ! (4x80) -- Kelly Oxford From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 16 23:19:59 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:19:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting next Monday March 21, 2011 Message-ID: <4D81A80F.6070308@dslextreme.com> Hi SF-LUG members and prospects. SF-LUG meets on the Third Monday from 6-8 PM at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue. All meeting times are nominal. Bring your problems and if no one in attendance can solve a problem we know where to find more help. Last meeting I got help from another member which merely inspired me when I got home to solve my driver problem by continuing search. I have the latest Linux Journal and Linux Pro magazine which features something I have never seen before an EcoDisc DVD , thinner more flexible and lighter than the usual DVD. It has a thicker central hole and the area around the hole is a bit dished. Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. (415) 251-9136 if you want to call. If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA later Bobbie Sellers From grantbow at ubuntu.com Thu Mar 17 04:21:45 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 04:21:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] tonight, wed 20110316, at noisebridge 6 to 8, linux on a tablet In-Reply-To: <1300296044.1834.27.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1300296044.1834.27.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, jim wrote: > Hiya, > ? ?tonight, at noisebridge, the linux discussion > group meets from 6 to 8 PM (as usual, every wednesday > evening): someone promises to bring a tablet that's > running linux! > > ? ?noisebridge is located at 2169 mission street > between 17th and 18th streets on the third floor. > press the button in the gate (to the left of the > fruit market) if the gate is closed. > http://www.noisebridge.net Hiya Jim, We had a full meeting last night. I enjoyed it. I helped a bit with that installation last week, installing a daily build of Ubuntu 11.04 that will be released at the end of April. It was fun but we had some issues getting the soft keyboards working. We mostly used a USB keyboard. I didn't get a chance to see what progress he made this week. I uploaded new natty daily snapshots at pony.local/~grantbow for folks at noisebridge.net to try if they feel adventurous. This version uses a newer Unity Gnome v2.x shell (newer than the Unity version used for the Ubuntu 10.10 netbook edition) as the default for the desktop version. The netbook edition for Intel machines has been removed. Upstart has some nice sounding features this release, moving further away from older style init scripts. For information on other changes in the upcoming Ubuntu version check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview Cheers, Grant Bowman https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam From jim at systemateka.com Thu Mar 17 08:58:18 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:58:18 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting next Monday March 21, 2011 Message-ID: <1300377498.3215.11.camel@jim-laptop> Hi SF-LUG members and prospects. SF-LUG meets on the Third Monday from 6-8 PM at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue. All meeting times are nominal. Bring your problems and if no one in attendance can solve a problem we know where to find more help. Last meeting I got help from another member which merely inspired me when I got home to solve my driver problem by continuing search. I have the latest Linux Journal and Linux Pro magazine which features something I have never seen before an EcoDisc DVD , thinner more flexible and lighter than the usual DVD. It has a thicker central hole and the area around the hole is a bit dished. Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. (415) 251-9136 if you want to call. If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA later Bobbie Sellers From jim at well.com Thu Mar 17 09:10:47 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:10:47 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] tonight, wed 20110316, at noisebridge 6 to 8, linux on a tablet In-Reply-To: References: <1300296044.1834.27.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1300378247.3215.17.camel@jim-laptop> thanks. and the quesadillas and cookies were good, too. On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 04:21 -0700, Grant Bowman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, jim wrote: > > Hiya, > > tonight, at noisebridge, the linux discussion > > group meets from 6 to 8 PM (as usual, every wednesday > > evening): someone promises to bring a tablet that's > > running linux! > > > > noisebridge is located at 2169 mission street > > between 17th and 18th streets on the third floor. > > press the button in the gate (to the left of the > > fruit market) if the gate is closed. > > http://www.noisebridge.net > > Hiya Jim, > > We had a full meeting last night. I enjoyed it. > > I helped a bit with that installation last week, installing a daily > build of Ubuntu 11.04 that will be released at the end of April. It > was fun but we had some issues getting the soft keyboards working. We > mostly used a USB keyboard. I didn't get a chance to see what > progress he made this week. > > I uploaded new natty daily snapshots at pony.local/~grantbow for folks > at noisebridge.net to try if they feel adventurous. This version uses > a newer Unity Gnome v2.x shell (newer than the Unity version used for > the Ubuntu 10.10 netbook edition) as the default for the desktop > version. The netbook edition for Intel machines has been removed. > Upstart has some nice sounding features this release, moving further > away from older style init scripts. For information on other changes > in the upcoming Ubuntu version check out > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview > > Cheers, > > Grant Bowman > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From lyz at princessleia.com Thu Mar 17 12:37:58 2011 From: lyz at princessleia.com (Elizabeth Krumbach) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:37:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] tonight, wed 20110316, at noisebridge 6 to 8, linux on a tablet In-Reply-To: <1300296044.1834.27.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1300296044.1834.27.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, jim wrote: > someone promises to bring a tablet that's > running linux! This was a really neat tablet, it's the exopc slate (http://www.exopc.com/en/exopc-slate.php) and Robert sent me this link with details that helped get it going with 10.10: http://bloc.eurion.net/archives/2011/on-intel-appup-the-exopc-slate-meego-and-ubuntu-10-10/ We got an on-screen keyboard (onBoard) added to the Gnome menu, grub screen defaulting to not showing and I took a couple pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5533267239/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5533377043/ -- Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 http://www.princessleia.com From ericwrasmussen at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 16:01:30 2011 From: ericwrasmussen at gmail.com (Eric W. Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:01:30 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Apache & UBU configurations Message-ID: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> Hello all. I am new to the sf-lug group and plan on attending the Sunday meetings. Mondays don't work for me because of the times (6-8). I wouldn't call myself a beginner to Linux as I have played around with it since my first Mandrake install back in 2003. Casual user, yes. I have now migrated 100% to Ubuntu and virtualized Win7 and OSX for specific tasks. Of coarse, not everything works flawlessly, but I know that I can modify as time goes on. Anyway, down to business. I am running an Asus laptop with an i5 Intel, 8Gb RAM, and 640Gb HDD. This machine is exclusively for personal use... no other users. 1st. What size do you think my SWAP should be and at what priority? Note that I am also vm'ing OSX and WIN7 with 2Gb RAM each and sometimes simultaneously. I don't hibernate so I was thinking that 2Gb with a [vm.swappiness=10] would be fine. Thoughts? 2nd. What size should my /root partition be? It looks like I am at 4.5Gb of 15Gb as I speak. Maybe the following question might bring some clarity to my goals. 3rd. I need to run a LAMP server for local web development. Under Win this was easy using WAMP2. But under Linux I am seeing that working with the /var/www/ directory is kind of a pain. I have read that I might want to install a separate partition for /var. If so, what is a good size for multiple sites (I was thinking 10Gb). If I could have a /home/user/www directory so that read/write permissions aren't a problem and it is easily accessible, that would be even better. Thoughts? 4th. I hate trackpads on laptops and this is why I run with my external mouse. Under Win, I could set the trackpad off whenever an external was plugged in. Not so under Linux. I put this command [xinput set-int-prop "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" "Device Enabled" 8 0] in my startup applications but it isn't activating. I am getting tired of manually running the command every time I boot. Thoughts? OK. That's it for right now. Any help will be returned. Hope everyone has a great weekend. Eric W. Rasmussen From jim at well.com Fri Mar 18 16:26:58 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:26:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Apache & UBU configurations In-Reply-To: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> References: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1300490818.1759.23.camel@jim-LAPTOP> cool! great questions. as to swap, my incomplete answer for you is a single 1G swap partition is what i have: sda1 on / sda2 swap sda3 on /home/ Red Hat has some docs that claims that over 2GB is useless swap space. if you really need lots of swap space, have multiple <= 2GB swap partitions. I've never had a problem with a single 1G swap partition. as to /var/ i used to use /var/ for a separate partition, but learned (sadly, as usual) not to do that: /var/ stores system files that may be needed unpredictably and immediately. should the filesystem for /var/ be unavailable, there's no predicting what bad things might happen. i don't like pain at all, am highly avoidant, and now make sure /var/ is part of the / filesystem. i no longer bother using /var/log/ or /var/www/ for separate mount points (not on my laptop, for sure). you can set /var/www/ as a separate mount point with no risk of system functionality if the filesystem were unavailable. in olden tymes /var/www/ was the commonly used directory for web site storage (hence a separate partition/file system). i understand that /opt/ or /srv/ are now the new, modern, hip directories to use, and having them as mount points makes sense. as to the size for the / filesystem, i am overly liberal, i'm sure, but that's due to my natural paranoid leanings. the fear is that i might add more software that has more libs and docs and whatever that loads up storage. depends on how much more software you expect to add. note that /usr/share/ has a lot of stuff in it, and none of it is critical to system functioning, so that's a candidate mount point to reduce the use of the storage you've allocated for the / tree. if you're in the more-patitions-is-good-paritioning camp, consider using /usr/local/ as a mount point. On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 16:01 -0700, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > Hello all. I am new to the sf-lug group and plan on attending the > Sunday meetings. Mondays don't work for me because of the times (6-8). > I wouldn't call myself a beginner to Linux as I have played around with > it since my first Mandrake install back in 2003. Casual user, yes. I > have now migrated 100% to Ubuntu and virtualized Win7 and OSX for > specific tasks. Of coarse, not everything works flawlessly, but I know > that I can modify as time goes on. Anyway, down to business. > > I am running an Asus laptop with an i5 Intel, 8Gb RAM, and 640Gb HDD. > This machine is exclusively for personal use... no other users. > > 1st. What size do you think my SWAP should be and at what priority? > Note that I am also vm'ing OSX and WIN7 with 2Gb RAM each and sometimes > simultaneously. I don't hibernate so I was thinking that 2Gb with a > [vm.swappiness=10] would be fine. Thoughts? > > 2nd. What size should my /root partition be? It looks like I am at > 4.5Gb of 15Gb as I speak. Maybe the following question might bring some > clarity to my goals. > > 3rd. I need to run a LAMP server for local web development. Under Win > this was easy using WAMP2. But under Linux I am seeing that working > with the /var/www/ directory is kind of a pain. I have read that I > might want to install a separate partition for /var. If so, what is a > good size for multiple sites (I was thinking 10Gb). If I could have a > /home/user/www directory so that read/write permissions aren't a problem > and it is easily accessible, that would be even better. Thoughts? > > 4th. I hate trackpads on laptops and this is why I run with my external > mouse. Under Win, I could set the trackpad off whenever an external was > plugged in. Not so under Linux. I put this command [xinput set-int-prop > "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" "Device Enabled" 8 0] in my startup > applications but it isn't activating. I am getting tired of manually > running the command every time I boot. Thoughts? > > OK. That's it for right now. Any help will be returned. Hope everyone > has a great weekend. > > Eric W. Rasmussen > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From ramin-list at badapple.net Fri Mar 18 16:59:58 2011 From: ramin-list at badapple.net (Ramin K) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:59:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Apache & UBU configurations In-Reply-To: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> References: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D83F1FE.1060209@badapple.net> On 3/18/2011 4:01 PM, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > I am running an Asus laptop with an i5 Intel, 8Gb RAM, and 640Gb HDD. > This machine is exclusively for personal use... no other users. > > 1st. What size do you think my SWAP should be and at what priority? Note > that I am also vm'ing OSX and WIN7 with 2Gb RAM each and sometimes > simultaneously. I don't hibernate so I was thinking that 2Gb with a > [vm.swappiness=10] would be fine. Thoughts? With 640GB, I'd go ahead and set 8GB of swap in case I ever did want to hibernate. If you're sure you'll never need it, 2GB sounds good to me. > 2nd. What size should my /root partition be? It looks like I am at 4.5Gb > of 15Gb as I speak. Maybe the following question might bring some > clarity to my goals. / depends on what other partitions you have. On servers I'm a fan of / /tmp /home and /var with /var accounting for 80-90% of the space. On a home server I do the same with a larger /home though I usually toss music, movies, etc into /var and share via Samba to keep them out of my personal home dir. > 3rd. I need to run a LAMP server for local web development. Under Win > this was easy using WAMP2. But under Linux I am seeing that working with > the /var/www/ directory is kind of a pain. I have read that I might want > to install a separate partition for /var. If so, what is a good size for > multiple sites (I was thinking 10Gb). If I could have a /home/user/www > directory so that read/write permissions aren't a problem and it is > easily accessible, that would be even better. Thoughts? Don't forget Mysql ends up in /var/lib/mysql as well. However it is easy to point Apache to your homedir with a vhost I don't recommend moving Mysql around unless you have some experience since it can be a little hard to troubleshoot or cause updates to fail in certain distros. 10GB for /var is reasonable though I'd lean towards 20GB if you do a lot of development and large data sets in Mysql. Two things you should do to your Mysql instances are add these lines to your my.cnf under [mysqld]. max_binlog_size = 100M expire_logs_days = 10 This will keep binary logs from filling your /var partition. I don't recommend turn off log_bin as having them can help Mysql recover in certain cases. Not very laptop central, but hopefully some of this is useful for you. Ramin From ramin-list at badapple.net Fri Mar 18 17:18:54 2011 From: ramin-list at badapple.net (Ramin K) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:18:54 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Apache & UBU configurations In-Reply-To: <1300490818.1759.23.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> <1300490818.1759.23.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <4D83F66E.7030607@badapple.net> On 3/18/2011 4:26 PM, jim wrote: > as to /var/ i used to use /var/ for a separate partition, > but learned (sadly, as usual) not to do that: /var/ stores > system files that may be needed unpredictably and > immediately. should the filesystem for /var/ be unavailable, > there's no predicting what bad things might happen. i don't > like pain at all, am highly avoidant, and now make sure /var/ > is part of the / filesystem. I'm curious when and which distro did this. I've never had an issue with /var being a partition though in my fledgling admin days I did learn not to put /etc on it's own partition. Systems get upset when they can't find /etc/fstab. Ramin From akkana at shallowsky.com Fri Mar 18 20:14:14 2011 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:14:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Apache & UBU configurations In-Reply-To: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> References: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110319031414.GA2598@shallowsky.com> Eric W. Rasmussen writes: > 2nd. What size should my /root partition be? It looks like I am at > 4.5Gb of 15Gb as I speak. Maybe the following question might bring > some clarity to my goals. That's about what I usually run: I typically use 3-4G, but running out is a drag, so if I have a big disk I allocate 10-16G for /. > 3rd. I need to run a LAMP server for local web development. Under > Win this was easy using WAMP2. But under Linux I am seeing that > working with the /var/www/ directory is kind of a pain. I have read > that I might want to install a separate partition for /var. If so, It depends. In what way is working with /var/www a pain? What's the problem you're trying to fix? > what is a good size for multiple sites (I was thinking 10Gb). If I > could have a /home/user/www directory so that read/write permissions > aren't a problem and it is easily accessible, that would be even > better. Thoughts? On a personal system that I use for web development, I make /var/www a symlink to the appropriate directory under my home directory. The files are owned by me but apache reads them just fine. On the real web server where my personal site lives, it's the opposite: they live on a filesystem that's just for web stuff, and I have a symlink in my home directory that points there, but the files are still owned and writable by me. > 4th. I hate trackpads on laptops and this is why I run with my > external mouse. Under Win, I could set the trackpad off whenever an > external was plugged in. Not so under Linux. I put this command > [xinput set-int-prop "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" "Device Enabled" 8 > 0] in my startup applications but it isn't activating. I am getting > tired of manually running the command every time I boot. Thoughts? That varies quite a bit from distro to distro, because X configuration changes so much. This is Ubuntu? (I'm guessing from your subject line since you don't actually say.) If you're using Gnome, there are settings in the menus that are supposed to work. In Ubuntu Lucid without Gnome, you may have to run a program after you start X; I've never found a reliable way to disable the touchpad otherwise. On many distros (including earlier Ubuntu versions) you can add a section to xorg.conf to configure or disable the touchpad. ...Akkana From micahflee at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 20:28:21 2011 From: micahflee at gmail.com (Micah Lee) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:28:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Apache & UBU configurations In-Reply-To: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> References: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D8422D5.1020207@gmail.com> On 03/18/2011 04:01 PM, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > 1st. What size do you think my SWAP should be and at what priority? > Note that I am also vm'ing OSX and WIN7 with 2Gb RAM each and sometimes > simultaneously. I don't hibernate so I was thinking that 2Gb with a > [vm.swappiness=10] would be fine. Thoughts? I have 8GB of ram in my Linux box too and I set myself up with an 8GB swap partition. I read once long ago that it's good to give yourself 1.5x as much swap space as you have RAM so I was just being on the safe side, but I honestly don't think I've ever used more than 1GB for swap. > 2nd. What size should my /root partition be? It looks like I am at > 4.5Gb of 15Gb as I speak. Maybe the following question might bring some > clarity to my goals. Depends on how you're partitioning, but I generally go the lazy/paranoid route and have never had a problem with it: Hard drive - 1GB /boot - Everything else encrypted LVM - 8GB (or however big) swap - Everything else / It seems like separating out /var, /tmp, etc. helps with you from fragmenting your partitions too much if you're doing something like running a server that's constantly writing logs. I've never had a problem with putting everything (besides /boot and swap) in the same root partition. > 3rd. I need to run a LAMP server for local web development. Under Win > this was easy using WAMP2. But under Linux I am seeing that working > with the /var/www/ directory is kind of a pain. I have read that I > might want to install a separate partition for /var. If so, what is a > good size for multiple sites (I was thinking 10Gb). If I could have a > /home/user/www directory so that read/write permissions aren't a problem > and it is easily accessible, that would be even better. Thoughts? sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server mysql-client php5 php5-cli php5-mysql php5-gd The default webroot is /var/www in Ubuntu but real power is in using vhosts and modifying your host file. Let's say you're playing with wordpress. Open up /etc/hosts and add a line that looks like: 127.0.0.1 wordpress.local Then create a new file called /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/wordpress.local and put this in it: ServerName webworm.local DocumentRoot /home/eric/projects/wordpress ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/error.log CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined Now make a the right folders: mkdir ~/projects mkdir ~/projects/wordpress And restart apache: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart Now open up your browser and go to http://wordpress.local/ and you'll be looking at a website served from /home/eric/projects/wordpress/docs. Similarly, you can apt-get install phpmyadmin (which puts it in /usr/share/phpmyadmin), add 127.0.0.1 phpmyadmin.local to /etc/hosts, and create /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/phpmyadmin.local that has this in it: ServerName phpmyadmin.local DocumentRoot /usr/share/phpmyadmin ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/error.log CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined Restart apache, and now you can go to http://phpmyadmin.local/ to use phpMyAdmin. > 4th. I hate trackpads on laptops and this is why I run with my external > mouse. Under Win, I could set the trackpad off whenever an external was > plugged in. Not so under Linux. I put this command [xinput set-int-prop > "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" "Device Enabled" 8 0] in my startup > applications but it isn't activating. I am getting tired of manually > running the command every time I boot. Thoughts? No idea. :) Also, I'm quite curious. How do you go about running OSX in a VM? I tried awhile back and had nothing but failures (I found an OSX vmware image once, but networking didn't work). Is it at all stable and easy to set up? Micah From grantbow at ubuntu.com Sat Mar 19 02:41:04 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:41:04 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu count down banner design contest Message-ID: FYI for those artistically inclined. Grant ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Matthew Nuzum Date: Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:28 AM Subject: [ubuntu-web] Count down banner design contest To: Ubuntu Web Presence Team , ubuntu-art Ubuntu 11.04 is just around the corner! As in the past, we'd like to create a new countdown banner to share across the web. If you would like to make a highly visible contribution to Ubuntu, this is your chance. Just shortly after the Beta launch we'd like to launch a new countdown banner that says something like "28 more days until Ubuntu 11.04" Each day the banner will decrease by one until the release day, April 28th. On the 28th it will say something like "It's almost here" (or similar. Then when we do the release the slide will change to "it's here!" How can you help? Create a graphic representing what you think the?countdown?should look like. It is not necessary to create an entire set of images. Instead, do a couple to demonstrate your idea. The community and Canonical staff will choose the official banners and maybe give some guidance in case a change is needed to polish it up. Lets aim to?get submissions in by Monday, April 4th. But don't wait until the end, release early, release often, so they say. Guidelines Detailed here:?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/NattyCountdownBanner but in essence: 180px wide by 150px high. No PHP or flash. We'd like to make a static, plain image available but if the community would like to make an animated or interactive, iframe based image using js and static content we will gladly consider it. The community seems to have enjoyed the animated?banner?from the 9.04 release cycle. (I know I did) Starting at the point of Beta Ubuntu changes from the code name of "Natty Narwhal" to "Ubuntu 11.04" it would probably be inappropriate to over-emphasize narwhal graphics. We have some other opportunities to contribute. If you would like to make a Facebook app, that would be awesome, ours is now out-dated. We could do more! Also, I think it would be great to design an Android Widget for user's home screens. We don't have to do these but we certainly can! Please attach your suggestions to the wiki page listed above. If you have questions or would like to discuss this, please email the Web Presence Team mailing list[1] or hop onto the IRC chat room, #ubuntu-website on freenode. I can't wait to see your ideas! [1]?https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-website -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter "An investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -Benjamin Franklin -- Ubuntu-website mailing list Ubuntu-website at lists.canonical.com https://lists.canonical.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-website From shane at faultymonk.org Mon Mar 21 11:36:37 2011 From: shane at faultymonk.org (Shane Tzen) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:36:37 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Apache & UBU configurations In-Reply-To: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> References: <4D83E44A.3030105@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote: > 1st. What size do you think my SWAP should be and at what priority? Note > that I am also vm'ing OSX and WIN7 with 2Gb RAM each and sometimes > simultaneously. I don't hibernate so I was thinking that 2Gb with a > [vm.swappiness=10] would be fine. Thoughts? > There's generally no reason why you need to tweak swappiness. I'd leave it alone unless you're seeing undesirable behavior. 2GB is more than enough for swap, most likely it won't ever be used. > 2nd. What size should my /root partition be? It looks like I am at 4.5Gb > of 15Gb as I speak. Maybe the following question might bring some clarity > to my goals. > 8-40GB. Matter of how paranoid you want to be. I'd be surprised if you use more than 10. You can also look into using LVM and grow partitions and filesystems as needed, but as a practical matter, 15 should be more than you ever need for /. > 3rd. I need to run a LAMP server for local web development. Under Win this > was easy using WAMP2. But under Linux I am seeing that working with the > /var/www/ directory is kind of a pain. I have read that I might want to > install a separate partition for /var. If so, what is a good size for > multiple sites (I was thinking 10Gb). 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The last few months, I've started to spend more time at the ubuntu.comsite helping out in the "technical answers system" (From www.ubuntu.com, click on the support tab, then the "Techincal Answers System" link). Here, people can post technical questions about Ubuntu or applications and get help from other users. The questions are categorized for quick search filtering. Support groups, both formal and informal, tend to form around the categories. Mostly I respond to installation or wireless setup problems -- the first hurdles for new users interested in getting a working Ubuntu system. Help is welcome from anyone, but before formally joining a support team, you need to generate a gpg key and sign the code of conduct. I also find the technical questions section is a pretty good place to learn alternate ways of dealing with a variety of problems I encounter on an Ubuntu system. When others are asking about a problem which you also have, you might pick up a workaround, or even decide to file a bug report. Ken Shaffer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Wed Mar 23 17:32:07 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:32:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Answers at Ubuntu.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1300926727.1552.4.camel@jim-LAPTOP> thanks __much__ ken! i'm at noisebridge, waiting for the start of the linux discussion group (wed 6 to 8 PM), and i'll definitely share your note with them. On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 16:33 -0700, Ken Shaffer wrote: > When I mentioned to Jim at a recent SFLUG meeting that I was spending > some time at the Ubuntu site helping out people who have problems, he > suggested I write up a note for the mailing list -- others may be > interested, both as a way to find answers to questions and to offer > their expertise to others. > I've always been aware of the "bugs" section at the ubuntu.com > site, but have never looked much at the two support sections: 1)the > web based community support and 2)the mailing list for technical > questions. Much to my surprise, the two are apparently totally > separate entities, each requiring their own login. > The last few months, I've started to spend more time at the > ubuntu.com site helping out in the "technical answers system" (From > www.ubuntu.com, click on the support tab, then the "Techincal Answers > System" link). Here, people can post technical questions about Ubuntu > or applications and get help from other users. The questions are > categorized for quick search filtering. Support groups, both formal > and informal, tend to form around the categories. Mostly I respond to > installation or wireless setup problems -- the first hurdles for new > users interested in getting a working Ubuntu system. Help is welcome > from anyone, but before formally joining a support team, you need to > generate a gpg key and sign the code of conduct. > I also find the technical questions section is a pretty good place > to learn alternate ways of dealing with a variety of problems I > encounter on an Ubuntu system. When others are asking about a problem > which you also have, you might pick up a workaround, or even decide to > file a bug report. > > Ken Shaffer > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From grantbow at ubuntu.com Wed Mar 23 21:09:20 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:09:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Answers at Ubuntu.com In-Reply-To: <1300926727.1552.4.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <1300926727.1552.4.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: Hi Ken, Thank you very much for your summary. I'm having a hard time following where you are contributing your work and where others might go to do what you have done and/or support you in your work. Here are some URLs that come to my mind when reading your description: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs http://launchapd.net - questions sections of various source and binary packages. http://ubuntuforums.org http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com I appreciate the efforts you are making and invite you to participate with the http://ubuntu-california.org team which has IRC discussions on freenode.net in #ubuntu-us-ca channel (24x7 discussion, Sun 7PM meetings every other week) and share with our mail list. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca I would be happy to do what I can to help you in your efforts. There are many different ways to contribute to Ubuntu. Local Communities like the California Team are designed to "help groups of Ubuntu fans and enthusiasts work together in regional teams to help advocate, promote, translate, develop and otherwise improve Ubuntu. Our worldwide network of LoCo teams is providing a strong backbone to our already vast and extensive Ubuntu community." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams Cheers, Grant Bowman https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrantBowman On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM, jim wrote: > > > thanks __much__ ken! > ? ?i'm at noisebridge, waiting for the start of the > linux discussion group (wed 6 to 8 PM), and i'll > definitely share your note with them. > > > On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 16:33 -0700, Ken Shaffer wrote: >> ?When I mentioned to Jim at a recent SFLUG meeting that I was spending >> some time at the Ubuntu site helping out people who have problems, he >> suggested I write up a note for the mailing list -- others may be >> interested, both as a way to find answers to questions and to offer >> their expertise to others. >> ? ? I've always been aware of the "bugs" section at the ubuntu.com >> site, but have never looked much at the two support sections: ?1)the >> web based community support and 2)the mailing list for technical >> questions. ?Much to my surprise, the two are apparently totally >> separate entities, each requiring their own login. >> ? ?The last few months, I've started to ?spend more time at the >> ubuntu.com site helping out in the "technical answers system" (From >> www.ubuntu.com, click on the support tab, then the "Techincal Answers >> System" link). Here, people can post technical questions about Ubuntu >> or applications and get help from other users. ?The questions are >> categorized for quick search filtering. ?Support groups, both formal >> and informal, tend to form around the categories. ?Mostly I respond to >> installation or wireless setup problems -- the first hurdles for new >> users interested in getting a working Ubuntu system. ?Help is welcome >> from anyone, but before formally joining a support team, you need to >> generate a gpg key and sign the code of conduct. >> ? ?I also find the technical questions section is a pretty good place >> to learn alternate ways of dealing with a variety of problems I >> encounter on an Ubuntu system. ?When others are asking about a problem >> which you also have, you might pick up a workaround, or even decide to >> file a bug report. >> >> Ken Shaffer >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 22:51:28 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 22:51:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Answers at Ubuntu.com In-Reply-To: References: <1300926727.1552.4.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: Hi Grant, Clicking on the technical questions link on ubuntu.com leads to the Ubuntu section of launchpad at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu, which is where I've been spending some time. I took a quick look at the ubuntuforums.org(from the community support link at ubuntu.com), but found the interface less convenient for me to work with -- maybe just because I was less familiar with it. I'll definitely check out the IRC and the other sites you mentioned. Ken On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Grant Bowman wrote: > Hi Ken, > > Thank you very much for your summary. I'm having a hard time following > where you are contributing your work and where others might go to do > what you have done and/or support you in your work. Here are some > URLs that come to my mind when reading your description: > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs > > http://launchapd.net - questions sections of various source and binary > packages. > > http://ubuntuforums.org > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com > > I appreciate the efforts you are making and invite you to participate > with the http://ubuntu-california.org team which has IRC discussions > on freenode.net in #ubuntu-us-ca channel (24x7 discussion, Sun 7PM > meetings every other week) and share with our mail list. > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca I would be > happy to do what I can to help you in your efforts. There are many > different ways to contribute to Ubuntu. Local Communities like the > California Team are designed to "help groups of Ubuntu fans and > enthusiasts work together in regional teams to help advocate, promote, > translate, develop and otherwise improve Ubuntu. Our worldwide network > of LoCo teams is providing a strong backbone to our already vast and > extensive Ubuntu community." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams > > Cheers, > > Grant Bowman > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrantBowman > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM, jim wrote: > > > > > > thanks __much__ ken! > > i'm at noisebridge, waiting for the start of the > > linux discussion group (wed 6 to 8 PM), and i'll > > definitely share your note with them. > > > > > > On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 16:33 -0700, Ken Shaffer wrote: > >> When I mentioned to Jim at a recent SFLUG meeting that I was spending > >> some time at the Ubuntu site helping out people who have problems, he > >> suggested I write up a note for the mailing list -- others may be > >> interested, both as a way to find answers to questions and to offer > >> their expertise to others. > >> I've always been aware of the "bugs" section at the ubuntu.com > >> site, but have never looked much at the two support sections: 1)the > >> web based community support and 2)the mailing list for technical > >> questions. Much to my surprise, the two are apparently totally > >> separate entities, each requiring their own login. > >> The last few months, I've started to spend more time at the > >> ubuntu.com site helping out in the "technical answers system" (From > >> www.ubuntu.com, click on the support tab, then the "Techincal Answers > >> System" link). Here, people can post technical questions about Ubuntu > >> or applications and get help from other users. The questions are > >> categorized for quick search filtering. Support groups, both formal > >> and informal, tend to form around the categories. Mostly I respond to > >> installation or wireless setup problems -- the first hurdles for new > >> users interested in getting a working Ubuntu system. Help is welcome > >> from anyone, but before formally joining a support team, you need to > >> generate a gpg key and sign the code of conduct. > >> I also find the technical questions section is a pretty good place > >> to learn alternate ways of dealing with a variety of problems I > >> encounter on an Ubuntu system. 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URL: From grantbow at ubuntu.com Thu Mar 24 00:37:42 2011 From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:37:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Answers at Ubuntu.com In-Reply-To: References: <1300926727.1552.4.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: Hello Ken, Looking very carefully now (twice) I see no link from ubuntu.com to "technical questions." Thank you for clarifying with a URL. I see now that www.ubuntu.com links to www.ubuntu.com/support which links to the "Technical answer system." https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu That is an interesting and very active section of the launchpad.net site devoted to redirecting questions about "Ubuntu" to more specific areas. That's a great place and a very interesting use of launchpad! I bet your help there is greatly appreciated. I think that location is a default that was carefully chosen by the ubuntu.com web team as the website has evolved. From a quick look it seems a lively place; 70 questions asked in the last 24 hours. I admire the time you take to read and especially to respond to an interesting mixture of questions. I see an answer to a question that came up at our noisebridge.net discussion this evening, how to install FireFox 4.0 Final. http://techie-buzz.com/ubuntu/install-firefox-4-in-ubuntu.html offers three methods. It seems to me that answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu may be where the most general and/or broad questions get asked these days given how the website is set up. I will have to check back there from time to time. As stewards of the Ubuntu community Canonical necessarily make a few opinionated decisions in cases where few others can such as the text and links on www.ubuntu.com and www.ubuntu.com/support directing people looking for "support" and/or assistance. Launchpad provides the same Q&A service focused around questions and answers for all packages. [1] This use and process around answers.launchpad.net has evolved as the features have become available through the launchpad.net system. A question may or may not lead to what the Debian and Ubuntu package maintainers deem a "bug." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs For people that can (know how to) narrow down whatever issue they think they have to a particular package within Ubuntu they have done for themselves some of the hardest work toward asking smart questions. An essay was written on this topic that I find very helpful though it may not be helpful to everyone who attempts to read it. I think much depends on one's previous experience. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Helping people from a multitude of different backgrounds with various levels of technical skill is not something that has a single magic answer. While the above essay written by Eric Raymond and our own Rick Moen is important it is only a sample of the writing that I think needs to be written to provide a wider audience of people with meaningful answers to their questions. While people more familiar with the traditional methods of asking and answering questions may not be fully aware of the newer answers.launchpad.net system I think we would be well advised to pay it some attention. I know I will. Thanks again, Grant [1] Packages & Package Maintainers Going one level deeper, each part of Ubuntu (and Debian) is provided by some source package which provides one or more binary packages that people typically install via the Software Center, synaptic or the command line tool apt-get. Behind each source package (and by association each binary package) is some person or group of people called "package maintainers/developers." People choose to become maintainers for many different reasons. I haven't seen any statistics or survey of this brave group of souls but among this group are volunteers, employees of companies that produce open source software, Debian Developers, The best guides I can find right now are linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Appendix On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Ken Shaffer wrote: > Hi Grant, > Clicking on the technical questions link on ubuntu.com leads to the Ubuntu > section of launchpad at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu, which is where > I've been spending some time.? I took a quick look at the ubuntuforums.org > (from the community support link at ubuntu.com), but found the interface > less convenient for me to work with -- maybe just because I was less > familiar with it.? I'll definitely check out the IRC and the other sites you > mentioned. > Ken > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Grant Bowman wrote: >> >> Hi Ken, >> >> Thank you very much for your summary. I'm having a hard time following >> where you are contributing your work and where others might go to do >> what you have done and/or support you in your work. ?Here are some >> URLs that come to my mind when reading your description: >> >> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs >> >> http://launchapd.net - questions sections of various source and binary >> packages. >> >> http://ubuntuforums.org >> >> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com >> >> I appreciate the efforts you are making and invite you to participate >> with the http://ubuntu-california.org team which has IRC discussions >> on freenode.net in #ubuntu-us-ca channel (24x7 discussion, Sun 7PM >> meetings every other week) and share with our mail list. >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca I would be >> happy to do what I can to help you in your efforts. There are many >> different ways to contribute to Ubuntu. Local Communities like the >> California Team are designed to "help groups of Ubuntu fans and >> enthusiasts work together in regional teams to help advocate, promote, >> translate, develop and otherwise improve Ubuntu. Our worldwide network >> of LoCo teams is providing a strong backbone to our already vast and >> extensive Ubuntu community." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams >> >> Cheers, >> >> Grant Bowman >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrantBowman >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM, jim wrote: >> > >> > >> > thanks __much__ ken! >> > ? ?i'm at noisebridge, waiting for the start of the >> > linux discussion group (wed 6 to 8 PM), and i'll >> > definitely share your note with them. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 16:33 -0700, Ken Shaffer wrote: >> >> ?When I mentioned to Jim at a recent SFLUG meeting that I was spending >> >> some time at the Ubuntu site helping out people who have problems, he >> >> suggested I write up a note for the mailing list -- others may be >> >> interested, both as a way to find answers to questions and to offer >> >> their expertise to others. >> >> ? ? I've always been aware of the "bugs" section at the ubuntu.com >> >> site, but have never looked much at the two support sections: ?1)the >> >> web based community support and 2)the mailing list for technical >> >> questions. ?Much to my surprise, the two are apparently totally >> >> separate entities, each requiring their own login. >> >> ? ?The last few months, I've started to ?spend more time at the >> >> ubuntu.com site helping out in the "technical answers system" (From >> >> www.ubuntu.com, click on the support tab, then the "Techincal Answers >> >> System" link). Here, people can post technical questions about Ubuntu >> >> or applications and get help from other users. ?The questions are >> >> categorized for quick search filtering. ?Support groups, both formal >> >> and informal, tend to form around the categories. ?Mostly I respond to >> >> installation or wireless setup problems -- the first hurdles for new >> >> users interested in getting a working Ubuntu system. ?Help is welcome >> >> from anyone, but before formally joining a support team, you need to >> >> generate a gpg key and sign the code of conduct. >> >> ? ?I also find the technical questions section is a pretty good place >> >> to learn alternate ways of dealing with a variety of problems I >> >> encounter on an Ubuntu system. ?When others are asking about a problem >> >> which you also have, you might pick up a workaround, or even decide to >> >> file a bug report. >> >> >> >> Ken Shaffer From brett.mahar at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 12:24:00 2011 From: brett.mahar at gmail.com (Brett Mahar) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:24:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] berkeley rent stabilization board needs open-source software Message-ID: >>> ? ? ?and they're about to contract some non-open-source software to run >>> their >>> ? ? ?database, so they'll be locked into that crap for the next 40 years, >>> plus >>> ? ? ?they'll be blowing public money on closed-source software. >>> >>> ? ? ?What can they use instead? ?They basically need a database program >>> where >>> ? ? ?they can enter data on each property, and call up the record for a >>> ? ? ?property on the screen where everything is shown in a template, and >>> they >>> ? ? ?can hit PRINT. >>> >>> ? ? ?sounds simple right? ?any suggestions? How about LibreOffice/OpenOffice Base? Easier to set up and use than MySQL and such, and has a GUI. Brett. From david at sterryit.com Thu Mar 24 12:44:40 2011 From: david at sterryit.com (david at sterryit.com) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:44:40 +0000 Subject: [sf-lug] berkeley rent stabilization board needs open-sourcesoftware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1616580219-1300995831-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2086991951-@bda375.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> This is a bit odd and I must say a very simplified description of what is likely to become very important software to the board. Will they need multi-user access? What software are they currently evaluating? Do they understand how this software choice can affect their operation long-term? For whoever's in contact with them, I would hope these questions are raised before any specific program or technology is mentioned. Of course, free software has it's benefits but it won't do everything by itself. That's why a responsible group or company would need to provide quality support for whatever (hopefully free software-based system) they decide to pursue. My 2cents for free.... -David Sterry -----Original Message----- From: Brett Mahar Sender: sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:24:00 To: Subject: Re: [sf-lug] berkeley rent stabilization board needs open-source software >>> ? ? ?and they're about to contract some non-open-source software to run >>> their >>> ? ? ?database, so they'll be locked into that crap for the next 40 years, >>> plus >>> ? ? ?they'll be blowing public money on closed-source software. >>> >>> ? ? ?What can they use instead? ?They basically need a database program >>> where >>> ? ? ?they can enter data on each property, and call up the record for a >>> ? ? ?property on the screen where everything is shown in a template, and >>> they >>> ? ? ?can hit PRINT. >>> >>> ? ? ?sounds simple right? ?any suggestions? How about LibreOffice/OpenOffice Base? Easier to set up and use than MySQL and such, and has a GUI. Brett. _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From grantbow at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 00:42:19 2011 From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:42:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Richard Stallman speaking in SF April 16th at Twitter HQ Message-ID: Thank you Rick. This comes via the svlug.org mail list. Grant ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rick Moen Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:16 AM Subject: [svlug] (forw) [web-team] Richard Stallman giving talk in SF at twitter hq To: svlug at lists.svlug.org If members haven't yet heard Richard give one of his presentation, they should go attend if they possibly can. ?Worth the trip. ----- Forwarded message from Curtis j Schofield ----- Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:56:17 -0700 From: Curtis j Schofield To: webmaster at svlug.org Subject: [web-team] Richard Stallman giving talk in SF at twitter hq free as in beer - any donations would go to RMS for his stay in SF. 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I want to install /home in a separate partition. I will be using Ubuntu 10.10 as the distro. I have been told that the rule of thumb is as follows: 10 gig+ for / 2xRAM for swap Rest for home Are there any traps for the unwary that I should know about? I have never personally done this before, although I have seen it done. Thx. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehud.kaldor at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 08:12:14 2011 From: ehud.kaldor at gmail.com (Ehud Kaldor) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:12:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Christian, hte above scheme worked for me for a couple of years now, both for Ubuntu and Fedora, interchanging. recently i started setting / to be BTRFS, and as Ubuntu does not allow to boot off of a BTRFS partititon, / is 9.5GB BTRFS and /boot is 0.5GB EXT2, and again, works great (touch wood). On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi, > > I received a donation of a notebook w 4 GB of RAM for our schools project. > I want to install /home in a separate partition. I will be using Ubuntu > 10.10 as the distro. I have been told that the rule of thumb is as follows: > > 10 gig+ for / > 2xRAM for swap > Rest for home > > Are there any traps for the unwary that I should know about? I have never > personally done this before, although I have seen it done. Thx. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Mon Mar 28 08:13:34 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:13:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1301325214.9499.41.camel@jim-LAPTOP> 10GB for / seems good to me. 2 * RAM seems way too much to me. for the last few years i've used 1GB for swap, no problem. Note that the more RAM one has, the less the likelihood of needing to swap. the rest for /home/ seems good to me. i'd make as 10GB partition as the first partition, then make the swap partition, then have the /home/ partition last--swap is in the middle. i'd make all three partitions as primary partitions. On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 07:53 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi, > > > I received a donation of a notebook w 4 GB of RAM for our schools > project. I want to install /home in a separate partition. I will be > using Ubuntu 10.10 as the distro. I have been told that the rule of > thumb is as follows: > > > 10 gig+ for / > 2xRAM for swap > Rest for home > > > Are there any traps for the unwary that I should know about? I have > never personally done this before, although I have seen it done. Thx. > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From jim at systemateka.com Mon Mar 28 08:30:29 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:30:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: <1301325214.9499.41.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <1301325214.9499.41.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <1301326229.9499.45.camel@jim-LAPTOP> another note re swap: Red Hat docs have a caution about swap partition size to the effect that one should not bother making a swap partition over 2GB, as there is some kind of inefficiency for which 2GB is an upper limit of usefulness. if one needs more than 2GB of swap, one should make multiple swap partitions (and distribute them across the drive cylinder space). On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 08:13 -0700, jim wrote: > 10GB for / seems good to me. > > 2 * RAM seems way too much to me. for the last few > years i've used 1GB for swap, no problem. Note that > the more RAM one has, the less the likelihood of > needing to swap. > > the rest for /home/ seems good to me. > > i'd make as 10GB partition as the first partition, > then make the swap partition, then have the /home/ > partition last--swap is in the middle. > > i'd make all three partitions as primary partitions. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 07:53 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > hi, > > > > > > I received a donation of a notebook w 4 GB of RAM for our schools > > project. I want to install /home in a separate partition. I will be > > using Ubuntu 10.10 as the distro. I have been told that the rule of > > thumb is as follows: > > > > > > 10 gig+ for / > > 2xRAM for swap > > Rest for home > > > > > > Are there any traps for the unwary that I should know about? I have > > never personally done this before, although I have seen it done. Thx. > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ From ttrafford at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 08:31:43 2011 From: ttrafford at gmail.com (Tyler Trafford) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:31:43 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi, > > I received a donation of a notebook w 4 GB of RAM for our schools project. > I want to install /home in a separate partition. I will be using Ubuntu > 10.10 as the distro. I have been told that the rule of thumb is as follows: > > 10 gig+ for / > 2xRAM for swap > Rest for home > > Are there any traps for the unwary that I should know about? I have never > personally done this before, although I have seen it done. Thx. FWIW: RedHat says that the "swap = 2*Memory" is only for memory<=2GB. For memory >2GB they recommend : "Swap = Memory + 2GB" -- Tyler Trafford From jim at systemateka.com Mon Mar 28 08:44:34 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:44:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> References: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> Message-ID: <1301327074.9499.47.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Thanks much! I'm still not clear, sorry: is the RH recommendation you mention a guideline for total swap or for the size of a single swap partition? My recollection is that RH recommends that any one swap partition not exceed 2GB; i always suspect my memory, of course. On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 11:31 -0400, Tyler Trafford wrote: > Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > hi, > > > > I received a donation of a notebook w 4 GB of RAM for our schools project. > > I want to install /home in a separate partition. I will be using Ubuntu > > 10.10 as the distro. I have been told that the rule of thumb is as follows: > > > > 10 gig+ for / > > 2xRAM for swap > > Rest for home > > > > Are there any traps for the unwary that I should know about? I have never > > personally done this before, although I have seen it done. Thx. > > FWIW: > > RedHat says that the "swap = 2*Memory" is only for memory<=2GB. > > For memory >2GB they recommend : "Swap = Memory + 2GB" From akkana at shallowsky.com Mon Mar 28 09:30:00 2011 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:30:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> <1301326229.9499.45.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> <1301325214.9499.41.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <1301326229.9499.45.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20110328163000.GA2637@shallowsky.com> jim writes: > should not bother making a swap partition over 2GB, > as there is some kind of inefficiency for which 2GB > is an upper limit of usefulness. if one needs more Tyler Trafford writes: > RedHat says that the "swap = 2*Memory" is only for memory<=2GB. > > For memory >2GB they recommend : "Swap = Memory + 2GB" Well, there are two, both attributed to Redhat. I see all kinds of recommendations like this for swap size, but it's all "$X says to do $Y." I hate following instructions blindly. Has anyone ever seen an article explaining any of this? I haven't. Understanding what's really going on would make the decision clearer. Christian: your scheme sounds fine. And with 4G RAM, don't sweat too much over the swap size; the machine will probably never swap. On my home desktop, I have a 16G root partition (not counting boot, which is a separate partition) and I'm using a bit over 8G of that. But this is a development machine with a big disk and I have all kinds of cruft installed on it. 10G should be plenty for your laptop. On Ubuntu, you'll only see 3G RAM with the standard kernel; to see all of it, install the PAE kernel, package linux-image-generic-pae. I'm not clear why PAE isn't the default. ...Akkana From jim at well.com Mon Mar 28 10:08:57 2011 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:08:57 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: <20110328163000.GA2637@shallowsky.com> References: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> <1301325214.9499.41.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <1301326229.9499.45.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <20110328163000.GA2637@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <1301332137.9499.64.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Akkana Peck writes: I hate following instructions blindly. Has anyone ever seen an article explaining any of this? http://www.xenotime.net/linux/doc/swap-mini-howto.txt the above is practical, very interesting and useful for me. it does not explain the algorithms of swapping, but it specifically recommends certain programs and provides references. ----------------- Great tip re PAE kernel! thanks! Questions remain: does RH recommend an upper limit of 2GB for any swap partition? does RH recommend a total swap space of RAM + 2GB? Note the question is about RH recommendations, not the truth of swap: X="Red Hat" echo "what is Y? " read Y echo "a matter of curiosity; 1GB seems to work fine." On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 09:30 -0700, Akkana Peck wrote: > jim writes: > > should not bother making a swap partition over 2GB, > > as there is some kind of inefficiency for which 2GB > > is an upper limit of usefulness. if one needs more > > Tyler Trafford writes: > > RedHat says that the "swap = 2*Memory" is only for memory<=2GB. > > > > For memory >2GB they recommend : "Swap = Memory + 2GB" > > Well, there are two, both attributed to Redhat. > > I see all kinds of recommendations like this for swap size, but it's > all "$X says to do $Y." I hate following instructions blindly. > Has anyone ever seen an article explaining any of this? I haven't. > Understanding what's really going on would make the decision clearer. > > Christian: your scheme sounds fine. And with 4G RAM, don't sweat > too much over the swap size; the machine will probably never swap. > > On my home desktop, I have a 16G root partition (not counting boot, > which is a separate partition) and I'm using a bit over 8G of that. > But this is a development machine with a big disk and I have all > kinds of cruft installed on it. 10G should be plenty for your laptop. > > On Ubuntu, you'll only see 3G RAM with the standard kernel; to see > all of it, install the PAE kernel, package linux-image-generic-pae. > I'm not clear why PAE isn't the default. > > ...Akkana > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/ > From ttrafford at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 10:42:04 2011 From: ttrafford at gmail.com (Tyler Trafford) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:42:04 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: <1301327074.9499.47.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> <1301327074.9499.47.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20110328174204.GB8309@oasis.local> Redhat has changed the recommendations, since I last looked- http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/96/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html -Tyler jim wrote: > > > Thanks much! I'm still not clear, sorry: is the > RH recommendation you mention a guideline for total > swap or for the size of a single swap partition? > My recollection is that RH recommends that any > one swap partition not exceed 2GB; i always suspect > my memory, of course. > > > > On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 11:31 -0400, Tyler Trafford wrote: > > Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > > hi, > > > > > > I received a donation of a notebook w 4 GB of RAM for our schools project. > > > I want to install /home in a separate partition. I will be using Ubuntu > > > 10.10 as the distro. I have been told that the rule of thumb is as follows: > > > > > > 10 gig+ for / > > > 2xRAM for swap > > > Rest for home > > > > > > Are there any traps for the unwary that I should know about? I have never > > > personally done this before, although I have seen it done. Thx. > > > > FWIW: > > > > RedHat says that the "swap = 2*Memory" is only for memory<=2GB. > > > > For memory >2GB they recommend : "Swap = Memory + 2GB" > > -- Tyler Trafford From jim at systemateka.com Mon Mar 28 11:20:08 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:20:08 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: <20110328174204.GB8309@oasis.local> References: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> <1301327074.9499.47.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <20110328174204.GB8309@oasis.local> Message-ID: <1301336408.1625.3.camel@jim-LAPTOP> golly! they've really improved their docs. it's still $X says $Y, but seems credible, and nice for those of us who just want to follow some rules blindly (tho' i'm with akkana in the main-- best to know what one's doing, assuming there are enough hours in one's day). On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 13:42 -0400, Tyler Trafford wrote: > Redhat has changed the recommendations, since I last looked- > > http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/96/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html > > -Tyler > > jim wrote: > > > > > > Thanks much! I'm still not clear, sorry: is the > > RH recommendation you mention a guideline for total > > swap or for the size of a single swap partition? > > My recollection is that RH recommends that any > > one swap partition not exceed 2GB; i always suspect > > my memory, of course. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 11:31 -0400, Tyler Trafford wrote: > > > Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > I received a donation of a notebook w 4 GB of RAM for our schools project. > > > > I want to install /home in a separate partition. I will be using Ubuntu > > > > 10.10 as the distro. I have been told that the rule of thumb is as follows: > > > > > > > > 10 gig+ for / > > > > 2xRAM for swap > > > > Rest for home > > > > > > > > Are there any traps for the unwary that I should know about? I have never > > > > personally done this before, although I have seen it done. Thx. > > > > > > FWIW: > > > > > > RedHat says that the "swap = 2*Memory" is only for memory<=2GB. > > > > > > For memory >2GB they recommend : "Swap = Memory + 2GB" > > > > > From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Mar 28 11:29:40 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:29:40 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: <20110328163000.GA2637@shallowsky.com> References: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> <1301325214.9499.41.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <1301326229.9499.45.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <20110328163000.GA2637@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <20110328182940.GF26839@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Akkana Peck (akkana at shallowsky.com): > I see all kinds of recommendations like this for swap size, but it's > all "$X says to do $Y." I hate following instructions blindly. > Has anyone ever seen an article explaining any of this? I haven't. > Understanding what's really going on would make the decision clearer. This whole conversation reminds me of a situation I was in around 2006, which I posted about to SVLUG's discussion list, a couple of years after. (I had worked at the pseudonymous 'VARco', referred to below.) Even given the passage of years, personally I'd still stick to 2GB swap partitions. Here's the relevant part of my SVLUG post. A wise IT greybeard said: "You can always tell the pioneers, by the arrows sticking out of their backs." Which has some corollaries, including undesirability of using code in even moderately unusual / seldom invoked ways. I have an anecdote, on that: Some number of years back, a Linux hardware VAR sold many of its 1U and 2U Opteron and Xeon servers (and a certain number of 4U ones) to its biggest customer, whom we'll call Bigco. Each machine had mucho grande disk and RAM, with swap to match. VARco tended to follow its Linux techs' intuition and established practices in keeping swap partition sizes to no bigger than 2 GB per swap filesystem -- which meant several swap partitions per drive to achieve Bigco's spec of 32GB total swap during RHEL3 load on the VAR's assembly line. But then came the day when a Bigco executive said he wanted not only 32GB of swap space on each host, but also wanted all of it in a single partition, on the boot drive. Such systems were duly delivered despite the VAR experts' slightly vague but consistent misgivings. Because of course you try to do things right, but _must_ make the customer happy. Customer soon reported that the systems were hanging hard while in production use. Extensive stress-testing using CTCS (a suite of simultaneous tests of hardware that includes parallelised Linux kernel compiles, memtest86, badblocks + iozone HD testing, and some others, all at once) followed. With the customer-specified swap configuration, running the test suite induced a system hang in 1 day. With a pair of 16GB swap partitions, CTCS hung the box in 2 days. With four 8 GB swap partitions: five days. With as many 2 GB swap partitions as the limits on SCSI device numbers then permitted, CTCS ran apparently _indefinitely_ (10 days+) without problems. Bigco's load image was duly modified; problem cause is retroactively attributed to hitting a previously unknown bug in the RHEL3 kernel's VM code. Could VARco experts have _said_ in advance "Don't do that, it risks triggering a VM bug"? Nope. The most they could have said was "Gee, this other way is what we _recommend_ because it's extremely well tested by huge numbers of people and as such is known-good." Would VARco experts have ever said "Do it this other way, or you're likely to have problems"? Nope. It's merely intuition guided by experience; it's almost never any kind of certain recipe. If some VARco guy had posted on svlug at lists.svlug.org, in advance of observed hangs and CTCS results, mentioning VARco's prejudice / recommendation, I have no doubt several people would have had a field day saying "That's silly. You should go with [something else] because of [reason foo]." Probably, the VAR expert would have smiled and said "You _may_ be right." From nbs at sonic.net Mon Mar 28 11:30:20 2011 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:30:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Richard Stallman speaking in SF April 16th at Twitter HQ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110328183020.GL7496@sonic.net> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:42:19AM -0700, Grant Bowman wrote: > Thank you Rick. This comes via the svlug.org mail list. I was looking for the URL for the event at FSF's website and discovered he's also presenting in Palo Alto earlier that week (Mon Apr. 11): http://www.fsf.org/events/20110411-fds-paloalto Enjoy! -bill! From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Mar 28 11:35:15 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:35:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home In-Reply-To: <1301332137.9499.64.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local> <1301325214.9499.41.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <1301326229.9499.45.camel@jim-LAPTOP> <20110328163000.GA2637@shallowsky.com> <1301332137.9499.64.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20110328183515.GG26839@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at well.com): > http://www.xenotime.net/linux/doc/swap-mini-howto.txt > the above is practical, very interesting and useful for > me. it does not explain the algorithms of swapping, but it > specifically recommends certain programs and provides > references. Also, note that it reflects Randy Dunlap's views as of 2003-Jun-13, which is a while back. As to what objectives people might wish to achieve with a partitioning scheme, and how, here are my friend Karsten M. Self's thoughts: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html From cboatwright at taos.com Mon Mar 28 13:12:23 2011 From: cboatwright at taos.com (Charles Boatwright) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] separate partition for /home References: <20110328153143.GA8309@oasis.local><1301327074.9499.47.camel@jim-LAPTOP><20110328174204.GB8309@oasis.local> <1301336408.1625.3.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <97509EA5ACD65B46B38E7B5C27212F7EBFEE2C@mantaray.taos.local> Ohhhh, to swap or swap to death, that is the question! here's my $0.02. You _can_ follow the RH guidelines on swap for a single user box like a laptop, but you'll likely never use but 15% of that diskspace allocated to swap. Heck - even ubuntu 10.04 still follows the swap = 2x RAM model. Once FF or Tbird or X starts bloating beyond belief, you'll see the slowdown and a quick look at top/free/htop/gkrell will let you know that you either need to restart the leaky apps and/or restart X. On a multi-user system I don't advocate large swap at all, as there is little difference between the box swapping into the weeds or having the kernel block because malloc is blocking.* So.. enough theory: on a laptop with over 2G of memory - I allocate 512M-1G of swap. On a multi user box with 32+G of memory. 2G swap max. To the question about slicing up /home.... disk slicing - I try and keep /var /tmp and /home isolated. On ubuntu don't undersize /var, as an in place upgrade will require ~1.3g of available diskspace. I usually keep /tmp bigger than a CD (or DVD) depending on the system. /var ~2g plus my logrotate scheme if needed -- note: On some production boxes, /var is 4g (even if I'm using a loghost), on my laptops /var is only 2g. I tend to keep /home smaller and encourage myself and other users to put stuff on /opt or /srv or a /project volume. at my employ we keep everything "important" on NFS - the NFS storage is all under quota and backed up etc. I don't run web doc roots from /var/www/html. I symlink the web apps out to another location, or create a virtual host. Likewise, I don't keep mysql data on /var/lib/mysql For production boxes, I typically isolate /opt if there is need to store stuff on local disk. In that case here's my layout (primaries) / 6g SWAP /boot (yeah - I still sometimes use boot) 400m (extended) /var 2-4g /tmp 800m-5g /home 400m per user /opt or /srv the rest minus 5g I always keep a few gig slice in reserve. This way is I get stuck I can usb boot and run parted to resize the partition that I need. I try and leave that space between the 3 primary partitions and the extended partition. This might seem too old school to many. Especially those who leverage LVM and similar tools. 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URL: From alchaiken at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 17:51:13 2011 From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:51:13 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Akkana writes: >On Ubuntu, you'll only see 3G RAM with the standard kernel; to see >all of it, install the PAE kernel, package linux-image-generic-pae. >I'm not clear why PAE isn't the default. I thought PAE was a kernel-level default install? And that x86_64 didn't need it anyway? Akkana, are you installing the PAE package on a 32-bit machine? On Fedora, "yum list all \*pae\*" and (\*PAE\*) lists nothing. I guess since PAE requires an additional level of address translation that it could degrade performance in situations where memory usage never exceeded 3 GB and swap was rarely used. Are there such desktop systems any more though? -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600? (cell) ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ A career in Silicon Valley is just like a chess game, only players can move all the pieces every turn and some of the pawns bite. From akkana at shallowsky.com Mon Mar 28 19:16:07 2011 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:16:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 62, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110329021607.GA1883@shallowsky.com> Alison Chaiken writes: > Akkana writes: > >On Ubuntu, you'll only see 3G RAM with the standard kernel; to see > >all of it, install the PAE kernel, package linux-image-generic-pae. > >I'm not clear why PAE isn't the default. > > I thought PAE was a kernel-level default install? And that x86_64 It's an alternate kernel: PAE is an option when you build the kernel. > didn't need it anyway? Akkana, are you installing the PAE package > on a 32-bit machine? I believe that's correct, that it only matters on 32-bit systems. > On Fedora, "yum list all \*pae\*" and (\*PAE\*) lists nothing. > > I guess since PAE requires an additional level of address translation > that it could degrade performance in situations where memory usage > never exceeded 3 GB and swap was rarely used. Are there such > desktop systems any more though? It's true that I very seldom get close to using 3G, let alone 4. But I like knowing that RAM is available if I ever want it. Perhaps I'm just being silly. There is supposed to be a slight performance hit from using PAE. I've never tried to measure the difference. ...Akkana From cymraegish at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 17:54:58 2011 From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:54:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Noisebridge-discuss] Linux study group at Noisebridge In-Reply-To: <1301443113.1567.81.camel@jim-LAPTOP> References: <1301443113.1567.81.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, jim wrote: > > > Here's a link to a wiki page for the linux study group: > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Linux_System_Administration_Study_Group > > Some have expressed interest in enriching the wiki > How about a page describing the server you are working on and the status of it, what is on it and what has happened with it. How about a page describing the many faces of Linux Admin, where people can work both professionally and in an outreach-service sense. I am thinking in terms of who uses Linux seriously such as in education, business, and R+D as well as in web services. What kinds of Admins are there (for instance User Support versus Service Support) and what do they do and how (for instance who are people like Debian Developers and where do they come from) . Are they different skills required for these and how much difference is there. Brian (I am not a member of the LSG although I have dropped in a bit, I have a bit of Unix (generally) Admin experience here and there). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at systemateka.com Tue Mar 29 18:03:05 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:03:05 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] linux study group at noisebridge Message-ID: <1301446985.1567.92.camel@jim-LAPTOP> For the last year and a half or so there've been a couple of SF-LUG sponsored linux events at noisebridge: * linux system administration study group meets tuesdays and fridays from 3 PM to 6 PM * linux discussion group meets wednesday evenings from 6 PM to 8 PM. Here's a link to a wiki page for the linux study group: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Linux_System_Administration_Study_Group Some have expressed interest in enriching the wiki page and in sharing tho'ts on the sf-lug list. From jim at systemateka.com Tue Mar 29 18:04:23 2011 From: jim at systemateka.com (jim) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:04:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Noisebridge-discuss] Linux study group at Noisebridge In-Reply-To: References: <1301443113.1567.81.camel@jim-LAPTOP> Message-ID: <1301447063.1567.93.camel@jim-LAPTOP> great ideas! we'll do it. On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 17:54 -0700, Brian Morris wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, jim wrote: > > > Here's a link to a wiki page for the linux study group: > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Linux_System_Administration_Study_Group > > Some have expressed interest in enriching the wiki > > How about a page describing the server you are working on and the > status of it, what is on it and what has happened with it. > > How about a page describing the many faces of Linux Admin, where > people can work both professionally and in an outreach-service sense. > I am thinking in terms of who uses Linux seriously such as in > education, business, and R+D as well as in web services. What kinds of > Admins are there (for instance User Support versus Service Support) > and what do they do and how (for instance who are people like Debian > Developers and where do they come from) . Are they different skills > required for these and how much difference is there. > > Brian > > (I am not a member of the LSG although I have dropped in a bit, I have > a bit of Unix (generally) Admin experience here and there). > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list > Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 30 11:37:28 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:37:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meets again on Sunday April 3!! Message-ID: <4D937868.7080507@dslextreme.com> SF-LUG meets on the First Sunday from 11 AM to 1 PM at the Cafe Enchante on Geary at 26th Avenue. All meeting times are nominal. Bring your problems and if no one in attendance can solve a problem we know where to find more help. That some tried to help me with a nVidia driver inspired me to search and I found my solution online. I will have the latest Linux Journal and the Linux Pro magazine... Maybe someone will teach me something or at least walk me through it. Cafe Enchante is at 6157 Geary Boulevard on the South East corner of Geary and 26th Avenue. (415) 251-9136 If you're coming by bus, take any of the Geary buses west, they run often. Here's a link to a map. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=17&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=cafe+enchante+san+francisco&fb=1&gl=us&hq=cafe+enchante&hnear=San+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,9801631951036779628&ei=ldpuTf2SCIS4sAO54Im3Cw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQnwIwAA Hoping to see a good turnout. later Bobbie Sellers From bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com Wed Mar 30 14:51:12 2011 From: bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:51:12 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Samsung preinstalls Keylogging software on the computer. Message-ID: <4D93A5D0.1030600@dslextreme.com> Copied from the Team *Amiga* list because you know I thought people should see that bad behavior is not yet dead in the Computer building industry. Quoting from You are previewing premium content. Become an Insider to read the full article. You are viewing Insider content. Browse other Insider articles Mohamed Hassan, MSIA, CISSP, CISA graduated from the Master of Science in Information Assurance (MSIA) program from Norwich University in 2009. As usual, it is a pleasure to collaborate with an alumnus on interesting articles ? and in this case, his research is startling. Everything that follows is Mr Hassan's own work with minor edits. * * * In the fall of 2005, the security and computer world was abuzz with what was at the time dubbed as the "Sony BMG rootkit Fiasco." Sony BMG used a rootkit, computer program that performs a specific function and hides its files from the regular user, to monitor computer user behavior and limit how music CDs were copied and played on one's computer . To continue reading, register here and become an Insider. You'll get free access to premium content from CIO, Computerworld, CSO, InfoWorld, and Network World. See more Insider content or sign in . Mohamed Hassan, MSIA, CISSP, CISA graduated from the Master of Science in Information Assurance (MSIA) program from Norwich University in 2009. After an in-depth analysis of the laptop, my conclusion was that this software was installed by the manufacturer, Samsung. I removed the keylogger software, cleaned up the laptop, and continued using the computer. However, after experiencing problems with the video display driver, I returned that laptop to the store where I bought it and bought a higher Samsung model (R540) from another store. Again, after the initial set up of the laptop, I found the same StarLogger software in the c:\windows\SL folder of the new laptop http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/032811sec2.html later bliss From grantbow at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 18:10:09 2011 From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:10:09 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Science & Education Message-ID: Discussion today at the http://noisebridge.net/wiki/LinuxDiscussion made me think of and find this link. Linux in Higher Education: Open Source, Open Minds, Social Justice March 2, 2000 http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5071 Do you think that "open source" licensed software is more closely aligned to the principles and pursuit of science and higher education than closed source solutions? Grant From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 10:04:06 2011 From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:04:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Oops false alarm Re: Samsung Keylogging Message-ID: >From the slashdot.org story: Trailrunner7 writes *"The panic that arose yesterday about Samsungallegedly shipping laptops that contained a pre-installed keylogger turns out to have been a complete mistake after further investigationby security researchers and the company itself. In fact, the controversy was the result of a false positive from one commercial antimalware suite and nothing else. Several outlets reported on Wednesday that Samsung laptops had been found to contain a keylogger known as StarLogger right out of the box from the factory. However, upon closer inspection by security companies, the folder on the laptops that supposedly contained the malware was actually a directory that is part of Windows' multi-language support."* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: