From algoldor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  1 13:53:08 2010
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:53:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] shared printer and various operational systems,
	Tuesday 11/5 15:00 (3 pm), why? multimedia center in Tzajala
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=EzcMDCiWdbmUsvGWr2V07=Z0uRoqEXb2QaVVX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <354020.75466.qm@web111507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTi=EzcMDCiWdbmUsvGWr2V07=Z0uRoqEXb2QaVVX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <317108.77192.qm@web111506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Brian,
Beautiful piece of organization! 3 pm on Tuesday sounds great. However 
concerning your visit of Noisebridge, you can come to Noisebridge 24/7 it is 
completely open platform. If you do not have a mobile phone to open the doors or 
a  physical key you just ring the bell and within 30 sec somebody will open the 
door or you ring again. People are around most of the time from 10 am to 1 am in 
the night. Before I forgot tomorrow is a Noisebridge 3 year birthday party, so 
you  are more than welcome to join us.

I'll get back to you later on today or tomorrow for more planing but I already 
confirm Tuesday 3 pm at Noisebridge in the linux classroom (next to t he dirt 
shop). Hopefully Jim will be around he is a saver!

Thanks for your time and effort, it is highly appreciate it.. Just to give you a 
bit of background, this activity/project is a part of a bigger one = build up of 
a multimedia center in Tzajala, Chiapas, Mexico (January 2011). This project 
will be posted within two weeks time and I certainly would like to get people 
together to work on it togethter, it is much more fun (here and there too).

Sincerely,

Frantisek



----- Original Message ----
From: Brian Morris <cymraegish at gmail.com>
To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 6:19:02 PM
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] wrong format of previous post, here is the txt file for 
edit

this is a copy of your email about printing, not formatting of your other thing.

p.s. I can bring an Epson printer on Tuesday, might be a factor (I
know it works with Linux out of the box with CUPS/Gutenprint )

Brian


On 9/28/10, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here is the txt file so it has editable structure.
>
> See you,
>
> Frantisek
>
>
>
>



      



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 19:08:33 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:08:33 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] pizza and Linux for schools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjLPsGfiKdg53W2_H8BJF8ETbW7tQT+X2Vnu-0@mail.gmail.com>

We will be moving more monitors tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. from the Oakland
Museum of California to the Creative Arts School.  If you would like to help
out, you could meet meet at 10:00 a.m. at the 10th street near Oak.  Please
call me at 415-351-1300 if you are able to help.  Pizza will be served at
about 2 pm or so.  We will be moving the monitors to San Francisco to the
Creative Arts Charter School. If you can only help on the San Francisco
side, that will still be helpful, and you can meet us at about 11:00 or
11:30, depending on when we get back across the bridge.  Again, call me at
415-351-1300 to find out our progress.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> hi,
>
> We have another opportunity to help local schools use GNU-Linux and FOSS.
>  This Saturday, September 25, from 10 to 11:00 at the Oakland Museum of
> California at 1000 Oak St
> Oakland, CA 94607-4892, (510) 238-2200, we will be picking up monitors for
> schools and taking the monitors to the Creative Arts Charter School in San
> Francisco.  Anyone who has a car is very welcome to come and help us move
> monitors.  Monitors have a secondary market, and so they often are the
> limiting commodity that stops us from providing complete computer systems to
> the schools.  So these monitors will be very useful for us, indeed.  So if
> you would like to help, please call Christian at 415-351-1300, and leave a
> message if you get voice mail.  The time and place to meet will be 10:00 at
> the Oakland Museum of California at 1000 Oak Street.  You will need to call
> Christian at any rate in order to coordinate the pick-up of the monitors.
>  We will need at least one big box truck, or two pick-up trucks, or four
> cars to move all of the monitors.
>
> After we move the monitors, if we still have time left, we will be taking
> the old monitors from their storage space at the Creative Arts Charter
> School and we will take them to the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy, where
> they will eventually be picked up and given to the Alameda County Computer
> Resource Center, which provides us with Linux computers.
>
> If there is time left over after that, we will triage machines at the
> Creative Arts Charter School, and we will look for a network printer for one
> of the KIPP teachers.  If you happen to have a working network printer that
> you could donate, please let us know.
>
> Pizza will be served at 2 pm or when we are done moving, whichever comes
> soonest.
>



-- 
Christian Einfeldt,
Producer, The Digital Tipping Point
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 11:17:09 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:17:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] pizza and Linux for schools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinjLPsGfiKdg53W2_H8BJF8ETbW7tQT+X2Vnu-0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinjLPsGfiKdg53W2_H8BJF8ETbW7tQT+X2Vnu-0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikmJApjoPeHaNk+=6pLhczwf_TpfV5YuKPAYC4U@mail.gmail.com>

We are leaving Oakland for San francisco now.  We will probably be at the
Creative Arts Charter school in 30 minutes or so.  The creative Arts Charter
school is at Turk and Pierce in San francisco.
On Oct 1, 2010 7:08 PM, "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
> We will be moving more monitors tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. from the Oakland
> Museum of California to the Creative Arts School. If you would like to
help
> out, you could meet meet at 10:00 a.m. at the 10th street near Oak. Please
> call me at 415-351-1300 if you are able to help. Pizza will be served at
> about 2 pm or so. We will be moving the monitors to San Francisco to the
> Creative Arts Charter School. If you can only help on the San Francisco
> side, that will still be helpful, and you can meet us at about 11:00 or
> 11:30, depending on when we get back across the bridge. Again, call me at
> 415-351-1300 to find out our progress.
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> We have another opportunity to help local schools use GNU-Linux and FOSS.
>> This Saturday, September 25, from 10 to 11:00 at the Oakland Museum of
>> California at 1000 Oak St
>> Oakland, CA 94607-4892, (510) 238-2200, we will be picking up monitors
for
>> schools and taking the monitors to the Creative Arts Charter School in
San
>> Francisco. Anyone who has a car is very welcome to come and help us move
>> monitors. Monitors have a secondary market, and so they often are the
>> limiting commodity that stops us from providing complete computer systems
to
>> the schools. So these monitors will be very useful for us, indeed. So if
>> you would like to help, please call Christian at 415-351-1300, and leave
a
>> message if you get voice mail. The time and place to meet will be 10:00
at
>> the Oakland Museum of California at 1000 Oak Street. You will need to
call
>> Christian at any rate in order to coordinate the pick-up of the monitors.
>> We will need at least one big box truck, or two pick-up trucks, or four
>> cars to move all of the monitors.
>>
>> After we move the monitors, if we still have time left, we will be taking
>> the old monitors from their storage space at the Creative Arts Charter
>> School and we will take them to the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy, where
>> they will eventually be picked up and given to the Alameda County
Computer
>> Resource Center, which provides us with Linux computers.
>>
>> If there is time left over after that, we will triage machines at the
>> Creative Arts Charter School, and we will look for a network printer for
one
>> of the KIPP teachers. If you happen to have a working network printer
that
>> you could donate, please let us know.
>>
>> Pizza will be served at 2 pm or when we are done moving, whichever comes
>> soonest.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Christian Einfeldt,
> Producer, The Digital Tipping Point
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From bliss at sfo.com  Sun Oct  3 14:36:18 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:36:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday! SF-LUG Meeting! Sunday!
In-Reply-To: <771838.14965.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <771838.14965.qm@web83810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <sig.88925beb7c.4CA8F752.90804@sfo.com>

  On 10/03/2010 02:10 PM, Edward H Turner Jr wrote:
>       Was there really a meeting today?  I arrived at 10:45 and stayed an hour.

> I saw nothing that looked like a group - no t-shirts, no penguins, nothing.  A woman behind the counter confirmed that the Linux Users Group met at the cafe, but she couldn't identify anybody.  How many people typically show up?  When do they show up?  How would I know?  Thanks.
>       -Ed Turner
>
> --- On Thu, 9/30/10, Bobbie Sellers<bliss at sfo.com>  wrote:
>
>> From: Bobbie Sellers<bliss at sfo.com>
>> Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday! SF-LUG Meeting! Sunday!
>> To: "SF-LUG"<sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
>> Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 4:03 PM
>>
>>      Yes! Sunday!
>>      Cafe Enchante 26th Avenue and Geary
>> Boulevard
>>      From 11 AM to 1 PM (nominally)
>>      Sunday October 3, 2010
>>
>>      SF-LUG meets again on the first Sunday of the
>> Month!
>>
>>      Jim Stockford will be in attendance to
>> distribute
>> books remaining from the Previous meeting.
>>      Likely he will bring SF-LUG bookmarks to pass
>> out
>> to people fed up with Windows and looking for a way
>> out of the Microsoft infection.
>>      Bobbi Sellers will show up with the latest
>> Linux Pro
>> Magazine with a late version of Suse(Install only) and
>> Mint 9 (Live with KDE).
>>
>>      If we are lucky other interesting people will
>> show up.
>>
>>      Sunday!
>>
>>
>>      later
>>      bliss
     Maybe the stack of Linux magazines sitting on the
table in front of me?  I saw someone walking back and
forth but not looking much towards the tables.  I thought
he was looking for a family or other group.

     Four of us showed up and we managed to remove
Windows 7 from one machine.  I got there at 10:30 AM
and left at 1:20 PM,

     later
     bliss



From grantbow at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 15:33:48 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:33:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Nautilus storage of view metadata
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=c+bb9U_QZjgi_q+U0jFZrFVZBy8qFTut6j6mi@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know where Nautilus stores it's meta data?  A friend wanted to
move an external USB drive from one machine to another and maintain
how the views come up automatically.  I didn't find how to do that in
my quick search so far.  Any help would be appreciated.

Grant



From alchaiken at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 12:28:16 2010
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:28:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 57, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1286305202.13865.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
References: <mailman.3.1286305202.13865.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1YF-X1g6ypq5oiO=8pAp7WWchMXPN7okTG22g@mail.gmail.com>

Grant queries:
> Anyone know where Nautilus stores it's meta data?

Looks like ~/.gconf/apps/nautilus assuming that you're talking about a
Gnome desktop.

-- 
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600? (cell)
? ? ? ? ? ?? http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/
The only real deadline in life is the one where you actually die. -- Eliot D.



From embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 17:53:03 2010
From: embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com (Jesse Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:53:03 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Machine Show (Ubuntu release), Sunday 6p
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-2CL619UNxcRmdOvs+VvmkvQJyrAtMUcthKWb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks, you are all invited to Ubuntu California's Release Party and
Linux Machine Show, Sunday October 10 (10/10/10) 6pm-9pm, to celebrate
the release of Maverick Meerkat (Ubuntu 10.10). We are hosting a Linux
Machine Show in downtown San Francisco (Cafe Ariana, 842 Geary) to
show off all of our favorite hardware running Linux. So far signed up
to demo are

- OLPC XO-1
- Asus 12" EEEpc (1201pn)
- Google Nexus One
- Google I/O dev phone (G2)
- TS-7800 ARM development board

 If you have a laptop or any piece of hardware running Linux which you
are fond of, bring it along and we will include it in the program.
Also please contact me if you have any free software related art or
music you would like to show.

For more deets:

http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/443/detail/

Thanks for listening.



From jim at systemateka.com  Wed Oct  6 14:44:22 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:44:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Graham Dumpleton on mod_wsgi at Noisebridge Friday evening
Message-ID: <1286401462.2289.40.camel@jim-laptop>



Please join us this Friday evening to hear Graham Dumpleton 
speak on mod_wsgi at Noisebridge


Graham Dumpleton is here on a family vacation but hopes to spend 
a few hours with the local python community at Noisebridge in San 
Francisco, located on the 3rd floor of 2169 Mission Street, San 
Francisco, CA 94110-1219, very near 18th Street (press the buzzer 
button to get in). 


"""Getting to know mod_wsgi."""

"""Graham will describe the architecture of mod_wsgi and how that
compares to other Python hosting solutions. He will then discuss the
pros and cons of the different modes mod_wsgi supports for running
WSGI applications. Question time will follow, allowing for a more
in-depth discussion of the material covered or anything else people
want to know about mod_wsgi."""
http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/ 

The link to the announcement on the noisebridge site is here:
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Events#Upcoming_Events_edit

---------------------------------- 

Energy Solutions is taking Graham to dinner before the talk at 
Poc-Chuc on 16th near South Van Ness (nearby) at around 5:30 PM. 
http://www.pocchuc.com/ 

Poc-Chuc is big enough to absorb a bunch of drop-ins, so if you want 
to have dinner there before the talk, too, make your arrangements 
(and be ready to pay for your dinner, ES cannot host dinner for 
everyone. :)






From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 19:35:13 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:35:13 +0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Help build a Linux lab this Saturday, 10/9/10
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=c8w6v3p-mmPciXb_LuVwHL5LqMw-ocVL1znF9@mail.gmail.com>

This Saturday, from 10 to 2 we will be working on a Linux lab at the
International Studies Academy at 18th and De Haro streets in SF.  The school
is quite large so please call me (Christian) at 415-351-1300 when u arrive
so that I can come get u.  Pizza will be served at 2 pm.
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From eric at ericwalstad.com  Thu Oct  7 07:40:08 2010
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:40:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: [Baypiggies] server donation to local nonprofit 501c3
	corporation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikQEf8B3LLrki8DK-eh2f0hxuSYNVci69StsOPp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikQEf8B3LLrki8DK-eh2f0hxuSYNVci69StsOPp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWm8MKSJ+Uqb8p4VB3bPoiF1z2n1gAwjz2MJD6@mail.gmail.com>

Christian,

Is your work getting linux in schools under a 501c3?

Eric.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Marissa Huang <marissa at imo.im>
Date: Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM
Subject: [Baypiggies] server donation to local nonprofit 501c3 corporation
To: baypiggies at python.org


I work for imo (https://imo.im/), a small startup in Palo Alto, CA.
We have a number of working rackform rackmount servers mostly dual
core (with some quad core) that we would like to donate to a local
nonprofit 501c3 corporation that would be able to pick them up. ?We
are going to remove the drives, but I have included a list of some of
the specs. ?If anyone is involved in an organization that would find
good use for them, please email me: marissa at imo.im.

Thanks!

--Marissa

--
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/jefcommcgcjfonaaclmhmkefbngjdnlk

http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/04/16/instant-messaging-twitter-reality/



15 Rackform iServ R121

CPU: Intel Xeon X3220 2.40GHz Quad-Core - 8MB L2 Smart Cache 1066MHz System Bus

RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) Unbuffered ECC DDR2-667

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Management: No Item Selected

PCI Riser Options: PCIe (For PCI-X Options, Please Contact our Sales
Department)

PCIe x8: No Item Selected

Hot-Swap Drive - 1: 250GB Western Digital RE (3.0Gb/s, 7.2Krpm, 16MB
Cache) SATA (REMOVED)

Optical Drive: No Item Selected

Floppy Drive: No Item Selected

Rail Kit: 2 Piece Ball Bearing Rail Kit

OS: No Item Selected

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(110V), 1.0 Amps (208V)

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SM39832, SM39833, SM39834, SM39835, SM39836, SM39837, SM39838,

SM39839, SM39840




9 Rackform iServ R121

CPU: Intel Xeon 3060 2.40GHz Dual Core - 4MB Cache 1066MHz System Bus

RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) Unbuffered ECC DDR2-667

NIC: Dual 10/100/1000 Mbps NICs (Intel 82573L + 82573V) - Integrated

Management: None

PCI Riser Options: PCIe (For PCI-X Options, Please Contact our Sales
Department)

PCI: None

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Cache) SATA (REMOVED)

Optical Media Drive: None

Floppy: None

Rail Kit: 2 Piece Ball Bearing Rail Kit

O/S: None

WARRANTY: Standard 3 Year - Return to Depot - Advanced Component Exchange

Serial Numbers: SM28949, SM28950, SM28951, SM28953, SM28954, SM28955,

SM28956, SM28957, SM28958




Tracking Number: 1Z9Y393Y0365569961

1 Rackform iServ R121

CPU: Intel Xeon 3060 2.40GHz Dual Core - 4MB Cache 1066MHz System Bus

RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) Unbuffered ECC DDR2-667

NIC: Dual 10/100/1000 Mbps NICs (Intel 82573L + 82573V) - Integrated

Management: None

PCI Riser Options: PCIe (For PCI-X Options, Please Contact our Sales
Department)

PCI: None

Hot-Swap HDD 1: Western Digital RE 250GB (3.0Gb/s, 7.2Krpm, 16MB Cache) SATA

Optical Media Drive: None

Floppy: None

Rail Kit: 2 Piece Ball Bearing Rail Kit

O/S: None

WARRANTY: Standard 3 Year - Return to Depot - Advanced Component Exchange



5 Rackform iServ R102 "Servers"

CPU: Intel Pentium D 920 (2.8GHz, Dual Core, 2MB/Core L2 Cache, EM64T, 800 FSB)

RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) Unbuffered ECC DDR2-667

NIC: Dual 10/100/1000 Mbps NICs (Intel 82573V) - Integrated

Management: None

PCI-X - 64Bit/133MHz: None

Hot-Swap HDD 1: Western Digital RE 250GB (1.5Gb/s, 7.2Krpm, 16MB
Cache) SATA (REMOVED)

Hot-Swap HDD 2: Western Digital RE 250GB (1.5Gb/s, 7.2Krpm, 16MB
Cache) SATA (REMOVED)

Optical Media Drive: None

Floppy: None

Rail Kit: 2 Piece Ball Bearing Rail Kit

O/S: None

WARRANTY: Standard 3 Year - Return to Depot

NOTES: HD: JBOD

Serial Numbers: SM19934, SM19935, SM19936, SM19937, SM19938


3 Rackform iServ R102

CPU: Intel Pentium D 820 (2.8GHz, Dual Core, 1MB/Core L2 Cache, EM64T, 800 FSB)

RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) Unbuffered ECC DDR2-667

NIC: Dual 10/100/1000 Mbps NICs (Intel 82573V) - Integrated

Management: None

PCI-X - 64Bit/133MHz: None

Hot-Swap HDD 1: Western Digital RE 250GB (1.5Gb/s, 7.2Krpm, 8MB Cache)
SATA (REMOVED)

Hot-Swap HDD 2: Western Digital RE 250GB (1.5Gb/s, 7.2Krpm, 8MB Cache)
SATA (REMOVED)

Optical Media Drive: None

Floppy: None

Rail Kit: 2 Piece Ball Bearing Rail Kit

O/S: None

WARRANTY: Standard 3 Year - Return to Depot

Serial Numbers: SM19577, SM19578, SM19579



3 Rackform iServ R102

CPU: Intel Pentium D 820 (2.8GHz) 2MB L2 Cache - HT - 800 FSB LGA775

EM64T Dual Core

RAM: 2GB (2 x 1GB) Unbuffered non-ECC DDR2-533

NIC: Dual 10/100/1000 Mbps NICs (Intel 82573V) - Integrated

PCI-X - 64Bit/133MHz: None

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Hot-Swap HDD 2: Western Digital RE 250GB (7.2Krpm-8MB Cache) SATA (REMOVED)

Low Profile CD-ROM: None

Floppy: None

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O/S: None

WARRANTY: Standard 3 Year - Return to Depot

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From nbs at sonic.net  Thu Oct  7 10:36:12 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:36:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	October 18th: "Overcoming repeated failure and attaining success in
	an open source project"
Message-ID: <201010071736.o97HaCHn002106@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding its next meeting on:

  Monday
  October 18, 2010
  7:00pm - 9:00pm


The meeting will be held at:

  Explorit Nature Center
  3141 5th Street
  Davis, California 95616


Presentation:

  "Overcoming repeated failure and attaining success in an open source project"
  by Joe Eagar of the Blender "bmesh" project

  Joe is a developer with the "Blender" project, a free open source 3D
  content creation suite.  Joe is spearheading the "bmesh" project, which
  is a rewrite of the mesh modeler to allow n-sided polygons and easier,
  more flexible modeling workflows.
 
  This talk will present a history of the mesh rewrite project, and how the
  failure of the first two attempts were ultimately good for the project.


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/


About LUGOD:

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 16:18:51 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:18:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Help build a Linux lab this Saturday, 10/9/10
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=c8w6v3p-mmPciXb_LuVwHL5LqMw-ocVL1znF9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=c8w6v3p-mmPciXb_LuVwHL5LqMw-ocVL1znF9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxDQ_VB_s-3hq6in716AiLoi+Lwh9c4G=sfeGq@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Mike Higashi, James Howard, Anthony Riley, Grant Bowman, and
Ricardo Elizalde for coming down to the International Studies Academy on
Potrero Hill at 655 De Haro and share some yummy pizza with us.  We are in
the process of finishing up the install of 23 machines, hopefully.  We had
an issue with a faulty switch or a hub, and that might end up hanging us
up.  If you have a working 100BASE-T switch or better that you could donate,
we would be very grateful.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> This Saturday, from 10 to 2 we will be working on a Linux lab at the
> International Studies Academy at 18th and De Haro streets in SF.  The school
> is quite large so please call me (Christian) at 415-351-1300 when u arrive
> so that I can come get u.  Pizza will be served at 2 pm.
>
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From grantbow at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 08:40:35 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 08:40:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Ubuntu 10.10 is Released
In-Reply-To: <1286705410.6217.236.camel@robbiew-laptop>
References: <1286705410.6217.236.camel@robbiew-laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik8oRiJWiYJ1LibvODwpt5Ct7nqGZAKF+eUa0id@mail.gmail.com>

This is forwarded in case someone is interested in Ubuntu releases but
not subscribed to ubuntu-announce at lists.ubuntu.com yet.  The URL is at
the bottom.

Grant Bowman
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robbie Williamson <robbie at ubuntu.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 3:10 AM
Subject: Ubuntu 10.10 is Released
To: ubuntu-announce at lists.ubuntu.com


Some time ago a group of hyper-intelligent pan dimensional beings
decided to finally answer the great question of Life, The Universe and
Everything. ?To this end, a small band of these Debians built an
incredibly powerful distribution, Ubuntu. After this great computer
programme had run (a very quick 3 million minutes...or 6 years) the
answer was announced. ?The Ultimate answer to Life, the Universe and
Everything is...42, and in its' purest form 101010. ?Which suggests that
what you really need to know is 'What was the Question?'. ?The great
distribution kindly pointed out that what the problem really was that
no-one knew the question. Accordingly, the distribution designed a set
of successors, marked by a circle of friends...to ultimately bring Unity
to all things living...Ubuntu 10.10, to find the question to the
ultimate answer.

And with that, the Ubuntu team is pleased to announce Ubuntu 10.10.
Codenamed "Maverick Meerkat", 10.10 continues Ubuntu's proud tradition
of integrating the latest and greatest open source technologies into a
high-quality, easy-to-use Linux distribution.

Read more about the features of Ubuntu 10.10 in the following press
releases:

?Desktop and Netbook editions
? ?http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-10.10-desktop-edition
?Server edition
? ?http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-10.10-server-edition

Canonical has also launched the ?Ubuntu Server on Cloud 10? program.
Anyone will be able to try out Ubuntu 10.10 Server Edition on Amazon EC2
for free for one hour. Visitors to the download pages will now be able
to choose to experience the ease and speed of public cloud computing and
Ubuntu. ?For a direct link to the trial, please go to
http://10.cloud.ubuntu.com

Ubuntu 10.10 will be supported for 18 months on desktops, netbooks, and
servers.

Thanks to the efforts of the global translation community, Ubuntu is
available in 37 languages. ?For a list of supported languages and
detailed
translation statistics for these and other languages, see:

?http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/ubuntu-10.10-translation-stats.html

Ubuntu 10.10 is also the basis for new 10.10 releases of Kubuntu,
Xubuntu, Edubuntu, UbuntuStudio, and Mythbuntu:

? ? ? ?Kubuntu ?http://kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
? ? ? ?Xubuntu ?http://xubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
? ? ? Edubuntu ?http://edubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
? ? ?Mythbuntu ?http://mythbuntu.org/10.10/release
?Ubuntu Studio ?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/10.10release_notes

To Get Ubuntu 10.10
-------------------

To download Ubuntu 10.10, or obtain CDs, visit:

?http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu

Users of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS will be offered an automatic upgrade to 10.10
via Update Manager. ?For further information about upgrading, see:

?http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading

As always, upgrades to the latest version of Ubuntu are entirely free of
charge.

We recommend that all users read the release notes, which document
caveats and workarounds for known issues. ?They are available at:

?http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010

Find out what's new in this release with a graphical overview:

?http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010overview

If you have a question, or if you think you may have found a bug but
aren't sure, try asking on the #ubuntu IRC channel, on the Ubuntu Users
mailing list, or on the Ubuntu forums:

?#ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
?http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
?http://www.ubuntuforums.org/

Helping Shape Ubuntu
--------------------

If you would like to help shape Ubuntu, take a look at the list of ways
you can participate at:

?http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/

About Ubuntu
------------

Ubuntu is a full-featured Linux distribution for desktops, laptops,
netbooks and servers, with a fast and easy installation and regular
releases. ?A tightly-integrated selection of excellent applications is
included, and an incredible variety of add-on software is just a few
clicks away.

Professional services including support are available from Canonical and
hundreds of other companies around the world. ?For more information
about support, visit:

?http://www.ubuntu.com/support

More Information
----------------

You can find out more about Ubuntu and about this release on our
website:

?http://www.ubuntu.com/

To sign up for future Ubuntu announcements, please subscribe to Ubuntu's
very low volume announcement list at:

?http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce

--
Robbie Williamson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? robbie at ubuntu.com
Ubuntu ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? robbiew[irc.freenode.net]

"You can't be lucky all the time, but you can be smart everyday"
?-Mos Def

"Arrogance is thinking you are better than everyone else, while
Confidence is knowing no one else is better than you." -Me ;)


--
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Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce



From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 14 01:28:50 2010
From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 01:28:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] (no subject)
Message-ID: <538669.31824.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Try it! http://vpolitewebsiteguy.approved-drugs.com
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From bliss at sfo.com  Fri Oct 15 11:15:53 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:15:53 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting Monday...
Message-ID: <sig.2904ad4aab.4CB89A59.6080102@sfo.com>

     Well the next meeting of SF-LUG will be Monday 18 October
from 6-8 PM (nominally) at Cafe Enchante 26th and Geary Boulevard
in San Francisco.

     Jim Stockford has written that he will be bringing along the
remaining free book(s).

     I have decided to skip bringing my laptop computer but
for the use of people without a CD/DVD drive in their computers
I will bring along my external USB CD/DVD drive.  That this
would be valuable became quite apparent after the last
meeting when the USB flash drive with Knoppix failed to
provide a stable install onto Anthony's new machine.

     I hope that anyone who wishes to use this will find
out earlier how to access their BIOS so that it won't be
a hassle to set the machine to boot from the external
USB drive.
     I will try to bring along the latest Linux Pro
and the latest Linux Journal which I can get from
the news stand.

     Hope to see you at the Cafe Enchante this
Monday evening.

     later
     Bobbie Sellers



From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 19:27:59 2010
From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] (no subject)
Message-ID: <897419.88595.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Oct 18 06:14:11 2010
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:14:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2010-10-19 BALUG meeting;
	& other BALUG news
Message-ID: <20101018061411.18435jp4f5x9zm88@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2010-10-19 BALUG meeting; & other BALUG news

In this issue (details further below):
2010-10-19 Tu: TOMORROW! BALUG meeting
Linux Lawyers (& software for Laywers)
Linux/Ubuntu CDs

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-10-19

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our 2010-10-19 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have a
specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that
doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings.
Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to
announce or fully publicise the speaker (that's happened at least twice
in the past five or so years).  Got questions, answers, and/or
opinions?  We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s)
present to cover LINUX and related topic areas.  Want to hear some
interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics?  Show up at the
meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish.  Want to help
ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings?
Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker
coordinators.  Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to
be had.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                     rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with
sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                     6:30pm
                     Tuesday, October 19th, 2010 2010-10-19

                     Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                     731 Grant Ave.
                     San Francisco, CA 94108
                     Easy PARKING:
                       Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                       http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
           cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
           family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
           also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping
           to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

Linux Lawyers (& software for Laywers)

 From Martyn Collins talk/presentation at BALUG last month on 2010-09-21,
he also provided BALUG with "a list of the applications I find essential
in making my solo practice viable":
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2010-October/004679.html

------------------------------

We'll also have various Linux/Ubuntu CDs available at the 2010-10-19
BALUG meeting (and likely also future meetings as long as our supply
lasts/continues), most notably presently including:
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Desktop CD PC (Intel x86) i386
(also at least some Fedora, Knoppix, and other Ubuntu variants presently)
Thanks to Grant Bowman and the Ubuntu California Team for getting CDs to
us.

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From opietro at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 21:41:51 2010
From: opietro at yahoo.com (Owen Pietrokowsky)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:41:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone familiar with freelancer.com or similar site?
Message-ID: <377504.20523.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm trying to post my services on freelancer.com. I am offering my services as a 
copy editor for iPhone apps. As far as I can tell, that site works as a "post 
your project and garner bids" basis; I don't see any links for posting either 
services in general or services specifically as a copy editor. I don't want to 
bid my services for projects that don't require copy editing. I don't think that 
will be looked on favorably. Does anyone know where I can find the type of link 
I'm looking for? Thanks.

Owen

 Owen Pietrokowsky
Editor, writer 
Biotech, high-tech, linux, materials science
opietro at yahoo.com

LinkedIn:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/owenpietrokowsky


      
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Wed Oct 20 00:43:58 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:43:58 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] OLPC SF Community Summit 2010 - last call
Message-ID: <AANLkTimx+PFiPEBaoGavv8nswWevczAfkEZmMiAvGexh@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!
This is a friendly reminder/last call for the upcoming One Laptop per
Child Community Summit 2010 at SF State's Downtown Center (5th and
Market, SF) this Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Space is *very* limited,
so if you are inclined to go, please register now before we run out of
space and it closes.

http://olpcsf.org/summit

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From bill at wards.net  Wed Oct 20 12:00:06 2010
From: bill at wards.net (bill at wards.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:00:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] NEXT WEEK: PenLUG meeting 10/27/2010
Message-ID: <E1P8dtO-0001kd-P2@mail.westernweb.com>

PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS:

   +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |Date:    |Wednesday, October 27, 2010                                   |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |Time:    |6:00 - 8:00 PM                                                |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |         |Bayshore Technology Park                                      |
   |Location:|1300 Island Drive                                             |
   |         |Redwood City, CA 94065                                        |
   |         |Suite 106 - Training Room                                     |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |         |Facebook:                                                     |
   |RSVP:    |http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=100117706721502         |
   |         |or mail rsvp at penlug.org                                       |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------------+

   Note we are now meeting on Wednesdays! Since March 2010, we moved to the
   fourth Wednesday of each month (except in November and December, when we
   will meet on the second Wednesday to avoid holiday conflicts). The meeting
   is hosted by NewlineNoosh. There is no sponsor for food/drinks, so please
   bring a potluck item to share.

   Agenda:

     * 6:00 PM Potluck snacks
     * 6:15 PM Free book giveaways or other prizes
     * 6:30 PM Presentation begins
     * 8:00 PM Meeting ends

  Easy SMB Server Solutions Using the eBox Platform

    1. Introduction

          * Current SMB Server Choices * Open Source / Proprietary
          * Background of eBox Technologies / eBox Platform
          * Current version and road map

    2. Key Features of the eBox Platform

          * Gateway
          * Network Infrastructure
          * Office/Domain Controller
          * Communications

    3. Under the Hood

          * Built on top of Ubuntu LTS
          * Uses common Open Source applications
          * Documented API (Perl)

    4. Support

          * eBox Subscription Services
          * Community Updates / Forum

    5. Live Demo
    6. Q&A

  Presented by Michael Paric * CEO Computer Business Solutions

   Michael Paric is owner and CEO of Computer Business Solutions based in
   Benicia, California. With a degree in Industrial Design and continued
   training in computer technology he has been working with Linux and Open
   Source software since 2001, creating web applications and providing
   network consulting to small businesses. After a successful pilot program
   installing and maintaining a Linux thin-client network for 120 students at
   a local continuation High School, he refined the system and created
   Canopi, a fully-managed, turn-key computer network based on Open Source
   software and stateless workstations for schools, libraries and community
   centers. When Michael is not attending East Bay LUG meetings or helping
   local Sustainability projects, he can usually be found pedaling away the
   miles on his blue road bike.

   Contact Information:

     * Michael Paric
     * Computer Business Solutions
     * mparic at compbizsolutions.com
     * 888-859-9799 x501

RSVP

  Although it is not required, we like to have an idea of how many
  people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you
  are planning to attend.

GETTING THERE

  For information on getting to the meeting, please see:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Island+Drive,+Redwood+City,+CA
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/DrivingDirectionsQualys
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/TransitDirectionsQualys

  Traffic on 101 can be pretty bad in the evening, so we encourage you
  to check traffic conditions before driving by dialing 5-1-1 on your
  phone or visiting www.511.org, and if possible to take public transit
  (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting.

MORE INFORMATION

  See www.penlug.org for more information.


This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists:
	members at penlug.org
	announce at penlug.org
	sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
	balug-talk at lists.balug.org
	svlug at lists.svlug.org
	svevents at yahoogroups.com
	vox at lists.lugod.org

  Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes.



From jim at systemateka.com  Thu Oct 21 05:43:43 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 05:43:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [Ubuntu-US-CA] Comcast IPv6 Trial & Maverick]
Message-ID: <1287665023.1906.29.camel@jim-laptop>



   As seen on the Ubuntu US California list 

http://lwn.net/Articles/410829/
Level Up to IPv6 with Ubuntu 10.10 on Comcast (Linux.com)
[Announcements] Posted Oct 20, 2010 18:03 UTC (Wed) by corbet

Linux.com has a tutorial on how to participate in the IPv6 trial[1]
being run by Comcast, a major US ISP. "In phase one of their trials they
are relying on the tunneling mechanisms 6to4 and more recently 6RD
(Rapid Deployment). Comcast has 'open sourced' its solution based on
OpenWRT if you happen to have a router supported by OpenWRT. I do not,
so like any self-respecting Linux geek, I set out to do it with a Linux
box. I found the documentation for doing so difficult to find."

 [1] http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/371742-ipv6-6rd-linux-router-on-comcast-using-ubuntu-maverick-1010





From bliss at sfo.com  Fri Oct 22 09:24:07 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:24:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: [TeamAmiga-fpm] Light Peak
Message-ID: <sig.291105a9fc.4CC1BAA7.8010907@sfo.com>

     Well I may be wrong but some members of this lilst may be
interested in this item about high bandwidth communications.
     later
     bliss


It may come about...


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [EE CS Colloq] Intel Light Peak * 4:15PM, Wed October 27, 2010 in

               Stanford EE Computer Systems Colloquium
                 4:15PM, Wednesday, October 27, 2010
         NEC Auditorium, Gates Computer Science Building B03
                     http://ee380.stanford.edu[1]

Topic:    Intel Light Peak

Speaker:  Prashant R. Chandra
            Senior Principal Engineer, Intel Labs
            Intel Corporation


About the talk:

Light Peak is a new I/O interconnect technology developed by
Intel aimed at connecting computing and consumer electronic
devices to each other. Light Peak delivers high bandwidth
starting at 10 Gb/s and scaling to 100 Gb/s over the next decade.
Light Peak also has the ability to run multiple protocols
simultaneously over a single cable, enabling the technology to
connect devices such as peripherals, displays, disk drives,
docking stations, and more.

This talk will give a technical overview of the Light Peak
interconnect and describe potential applications of Light Peak
across the computing landscape from smart phones to personal
computers to servers.

More information about Light Peak can be found at:
http://www.intel.com/go/lightpeak[2].


About the speaker:

Prashant Chandra joined Intel Corpoation in 2000 and is currently
a Senior Principal Engineer in Intel Labs
(http://www.intel.com/research). His current work focusses on
next generation I/O interconnect and system architectures.
Previously he worked on the development of parallelizing
compilers and packet processing applications for network
processors. Prashant holds 14 issued patents in the areas of
computer architecture, network processing architectures, and
packet processing application design. Prashant received his Ph.D
in Computer Engineering from Carnegie Mellon University in the
year 2000.

Contact information:

Prashant R. Chandra


Embedded Links:
[ 1 ]    http://ee380.stanford.edu
[ 2 ]    http://www.intel.com/go/lightpeak

ABOUT THE COLLOQUIUM:

See the Colloquium website, http://ee380.stanford.edu, for scheduled
speakers, FAQ, and additional information.  Stanford and SCPD students
can enroll in EE380 for one unit of credit.  Anyone is welcome to attend;
talks are webcast live and archived for on-demand viewing over the web.


--Alan
<swithenbank at acm.org>




From mark at gidgetkitchen.org  Fri Oct 22 09:11:35 2010
From: mark at gidgetkitchen.org (Mark Terranova)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:11:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Bay Area FOSS events
Message-ID: <AANLkTinL0dx5_mRSc5SY2vcPPmaa85x9Okpm=w4zu16B@mail.gmail.com>

Ok a few things happening around town


This weekend Friday- Sunday- OLPC SF Community Summit 2010. San Francisco.
One laptop per child is having their International meeting in our area.
http://www.olpcsf.org/CommunitySummit2010/

Sunday 24th is Makers Faire. Oakland will the center of the Geek universe
Creativity in motion.   Berkeley LUG has a booth setup. I'll be hard to
miss, I'm wearing the Penguin suit.
http://ebmakerfaire.wordpress.com/

Thursday 28th - Lighting the Maverick LAMP with Ubuntu 10.10, Yahoo campus,
Sunnyvale. 5:30pm Networking, Pizza, Ubuntu badges & stickers courtesy
Zareason.
6:30pm Presentations and Demonstrations by Ubuntu California. Official
Ubuntu 10.10 CDs (32-bit Ubuntu)
* Try the latest Ubuntu and LAMP stack on demo machines
* Bring your machine to try and install Ubuntu on it
* Bring your USB drive and make it bootable with Ubuntu
http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/500/detail/

Saturday 6th Geeknic Heather Farms, Walnut Creek. Save the date; more
details soon.

Saturday 13th -Fedora 14 Release Party - Walnut Creek Saxbys Coffee shop
Cake, refreshments, USB drives, and various other assorted SWAG.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F14_Bay_Area

GidgetKitchen plans to start offering FOSS classes again. Saxbys in Walnut
Creek at first, then the World.
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From cymraegish at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 19:21:25 2010
From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:21:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone familiar with freelancer.com or similar site?
In-Reply-To: <377504.20523.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <377504.20523.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinwG+kGGo+8=hzr8+=iuV1L3w0yD-EofXvnEF8E@mail.gmail.com>

? Craiglist ? (Bay Area).

Brian


On 10/18/10, Owen Pietrokowsky <opietro at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to post my services on freelancer.com. I am offering my services
> as a
> copy editor for iPhone apps. As far as I can tell, that site works as a
> "post
> your project and garner bids" basis; I don't see any links for posting
> either
> services in general or services specifically as a copy editor. I don't want
> to
> bid my services for projects that don't require copy editing. I don't think
> that
> will be looked on favorably. Does anyone know where I can find the type of
> link
> I'm looking for? Thanks.
>
> Owen
>
>  Owen Pietrokowsky
> Editor, writer
> Biotech, high-tech, linux, materials science
> opietro at yahoo.com
>
> LinkedIn:
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/owenpietrokowsky
>
>
>



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 19:31:05 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:31:05 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone familiar with freelancer.com or similar site?
In-Reply-To: <377504.20523.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <377504.20523.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I'm confused why u posted this Q to a LUG list
On Oct 18, 2010 9:45 PM, "Owen Pietrokowsky" <opietro at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to post my services on freelancer.com. I am offering my
services as a
> copy editor for iPhone apps. As far as I can tell, that site works as a
"post
> your project and garner bids" basis; I don't see any links for posting
either
> services in general or services specifically as a copy editor. I don't
want to
> bid my services for projects that don't require copy editing. I don't
think that
> will be looked on favorably. Does anyone know where I can find the type of
link
> I'm looking for? Thanks.
>
> Owen
>
> Owen Pietrokowsky
> Editor, writer
> Biotech, high-tech, linux, materials science
> opietro at yahoo.com
>
> LinkedIn:
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/owenpietrokowsky
>
>
>
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 21:17:56 2010
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 00:17:56 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) USB Installation Tips
Message-ID: <AANLkTimOvX1rQ13nOU-oaWfB-Eu_Hnpgbxr4tdj-dAVN@mail.gmail.com>

Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) USB Installation Tips

USB setup (no CDROM involved) had some issues, but all were soluable.
One approach is to  use the previous release's "Startup Disk Creator"
to put the new iso onto a (1-2G) live USB, then use this live USB to
install to a 4G USB stick. This approach avoids the use of a CDROM, but
assumes you have a computer which can boot off a USB device.

If you have access to an Ubuntu 10.10 system, its USB startup creator
has fewer problems than with earlier releases, but success is possible
with a fully patched Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) system.  Earlier
distributions or non-current Lucid systems will have additional
problems like "unknown keyword"s whose solutions are posted (Google
them) in great numbers, burying all other problems/solutions.

Summary for the impatient:
 1)Start with a fully patched Lucid system.
 2)From the BIOS setup, disable non-present devices in the boot order
(New problem with Maverick).  The non-present floppy causes sdb media
missing errors. I disabled the CDROM as well, since it had been
removed.
 3)Use system/administrator/ Startup Disk Creator " with the Maverick
iso.
 4)See what happens when you try to boot.  ESC at the logo will give
you the log.  Device errors like sdb seem to be related to missing
floppy fd0, sda errors to windows hibernation nonsense.  Errors seem
to repeat forever.
 5)F6 to interrupt the boot early, to get to the language selection
screen, then the usual text menu.
 6)Insert the target USB (4G+) (pre partitioned for the 128k erase
block size) and choose "Install".  I don't bother with swap, making
the whole 4G root.
 7)Rebooting the 4G stick, grub edit the boot command to reduce the
device references by one (hd2 -> hd1, and sdc -> sdb).
 8)After successful boot, sudo update-grub to fix the grub
configuration.
 9)Tailor your new USB system.

I typically run Ubuntu off a USB device on a laptop with Windows on
the internal hard disk.  I prefer to upgrade without burning a startup
CD-ROM because of hardware problems, but sometimes that is not
possible, because the "old" "Startup Disk Creator" will not accept the
"new" iso.

Downloaded the i386 desktop iso and ran the md5sum check. On a fully
patched Lucid (10.04) system running on a USB hard disk, ran the
"system/administrator/Create Startup Disk" to create a live usb
startup disk. I wrote the Maverick iso to a 2G SD card in a USB reader
with no problem, but the card would not boot.

  The Maverick live USB would get to the Ubuntu logo, with the
changeing color dots, but no further.  ESC showed the errors, a get
getpwuid error followed by  a repeating set of device sdb not found,
and Windows hibernated and would not mount, with sda errors.

  The install media created from a current Lucid system did not have
any errors for unknown keywords in syslinux.cfg as reported by others
from earlier releases.

 Fix 1)In the BIOS, disable the floppy (and the removed CDROM).  This
gets rid  of the sdb errors.  This was never necessary before, sigh.

 Fix 2)Hit F6 at initial boot, select language, and from the text
menu, select install. This avoids the Windows mount nonsense, and
allows the install to run.  I installed  the system to a 4G USB
thumbdrive. See previous posts about the partitioning for the 128k
erase block for the flash memory.

The 4G thumbdrive would not boot of course, but this is an old
problem. Grub cannot find sdc since there is no longer an sdc. The USB
install media was sdb, it set up the target as sdc, but without the
boot media, the target becomes sdb.

Fix 3)Reboot and choose e to edit the boot entry, and fix the wrong
devices.  I changed hd2 to hd1, and on the boot line, changed sdc1 to
sdb1.  Control X gave a successful boot.

First thing, sudo update-grub to fix the wrong boot devices.

A USB startup disk created on my new Maverick system avoided the
Windows mount error, and in the target grub configuration, used the
UUID instead  of the  wrong sdc, but it still had a wrong reference to
hd2 instead of hd1.

Tailoring the new system

Since my laptop uses 4311/12 Broadcom chips, I need to supply the
firmware missing from the Ubuntu distribution.  I have been using the
open firmware for awhile with good success, so I just copied the
b43-open directory into /lib/firmware and network manager found my
access point.  Newer Broadcom chips may require the installation of
the b43-fwcutter package (while  hardwired to a network), and accept
the download offer of the firmware. I don't even bother to enable the
"system/Hardware Drivers" for any of the Broadcom drivers -- so
the default b43 driver works with the open firmware.

Since flash memory has a limited number of writes, I use some ramdisk
mounts for high write traffic directories.  This also speeds things up.
To set up ramdisks for /tmp and /var/log, add the following just
after /proc in /etc/fstab:

# update-manager cannot see any space in /tmp when ramfs is used
tmpfs        /tmp        tmpfs    size=256M,mode=1777    0    0
ramfs        /var/log    ramfs    mode=755        0    0

The next thing I do is to add a mkdir of /tmp/debs/partial to my
/etc/rc.local and make the deb download directory
/var/cache/apt/archives point to this location.  The update-manager
will now dump the new packages into ram instead  of onto the flash
memory.

Now run update-manager and you should be all set.  Maverick will boot
off this USB in less than a minute.  One difference I have noticed
from Lucid is that  network-manager seems to take a little longer
before it starts to connect.

All sorts of other things can still be tweaked.  I like to add a user
whose home is in /tmp (on ramdisk in my case).  Still working on ways
to have users run mostly from ram, but to have permanent storage
available if needed.  I'm back in town, and should be attending some
SF user group meetings.

Good Luck
Ken
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Sat Oct 23 21:40:09 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:40:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Proclamation, wine, laptops and learning!
Message-ID: <AANLkTimq=6Vq=7mDTWj6MfzjHbEOP77=0Ho=Rpa=dELV@mail.gmail.com>

We have had an incredible two days thus far at the OLPC San Francisco
Community Summit 2010. Mayor Gavin Newsom declared October 23, 2010 as
One Laptop per Child Day in San Francisco!
http://blog.laptop.org/2010/10/22/october-23-is-olpc-day-in-sf/

Here are some photos from the events and sessions.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/sets/72157625222079022/ and
http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/Olpc#

You can join us online tomorrow at 11:30AM and 13:45pm Pacific.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/olpcsf-community-summit-2010

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From adborden at live.com  Sat Oct 23 22:24:21 2010
From: adborden at live.com (Aaron Borden)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:24:21 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) USB Installation Tips
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimOvX1rQ13nOU-oaWfB-Eu_Hnpgbxr4tdj-dAVN@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, 2010-10-24 at 00:17 -0400, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) USB Installation Tips
> 

Nice, is this on a wiki somewhere?

-Aaron




From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 17:27:05 2010
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:27:05 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) USB Installation Tips
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1914A005B0783AC3AC5B5E6B6400@phx.gbl>
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No, I just thought I'd share my problems/solutions.  This release seemed to
have more issues with installation than the last.  I gather problems with
USB installs are pretty low on the priority list, since they are viewed as
non-mainstream.
Ken

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Aaron Borden <adborden at live.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-10-24 at 00:17 -0400, Ken Shaffer wrote:
> > Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) USB Installation Tips
> >
>
> Nice, is this on a wiki somewhere?
>
> -Aaron
>
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Oct 25 00:11:51 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 00:11:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) USB Installation Tips
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimKO0yYoYp9_qzdKOXWxT83it_e_Qec32zLD4bM@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20101025071151.GK28899@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Ken Shaffer (kenshaffer80 at gmail.com):

> No, I just thought I'd share my problems/solutions.  This release seemed to
> have more issues with installation than the last.  I gather problems with
> USB installs are pretty low on the priority list, since they are viewed as
> non-mainstream.

Might recommend that you create a page on PenLUG's wiki.  (Note
instructions under 'Contributing to PenLUG Web site' on the front page
of http://www.penlug.org/ )




From getuprun at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 25 10:55:12 2010
From: getuprun at hotmail.com (Paulo Melo Filho)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:55:12 -0600
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux download
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1287946802.30166.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
References: <mailman.3.1287946802.30166.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
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 Hi, I have a question regarding VmWare and linux. I installed Vm but when I try to video cam on msn it does not work. How can i install vm and linux without having problems? 		 	   		  
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From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 11:45:15 2010
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:45:15 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) USB Installation Tips
In-Reply-To: <20101025071151.GK28899@linuxmafia.com>
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Sounds good.
I'm jumping through the registration hoops now.  The registration user is
unknown, the registration form is disabled due to spam, and a moderator has
to approve my request to the officers.
Ken

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Quoting Ken Shaffer (kenshaffer80 at gmail.com):
>
> > No, I just thought I'd share my problems/solutions.  This release seemed
> to
> > have more issues with installation than the last.  I gather problems with
> > USB installs are pretty low on the priority list, since they are viewed
> as
> > non-mainstream.
>
> Might recommend that you create a page on PenLUG's wiki.  (Note
> instructions under 'Contributing to PenLUG Web site' on the front page
> of http://www.penlug.org/ )
>
>
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From testcore at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 17:23:36 2010
From: testcore at gmail.com (Alex Stahl)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:23:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] GNOME cut/paste/delete issue
Message-ID: <AANLkTimHuvXE4WjWKMkjg1OctbhsfRHhjJXt7p303wDO@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks - Wondering if anyone's seen this problem, and if they might know a
solution:

Env:
-Ubuntu 10.04
-GNOME 2.30.2 (incl.)

If I cut a section of text (highlight, then ctrl-x), then highlight & delete
(via Delete key) another piece of text, then paste (ctrl-v), I get the
deleted text, not the cut text.  I'm blaming GNOME since it happens between
various independent apps.  I could perform the cut in gedit, and the delete
in netbeans, and the paste in an email, and I get the same results.  Oh, and
it doesn't happen 100% of the time.

I haven't changed any mappings or keyboard shortcuts, and have even
triple-checked various preferences to ensure I hadn't accidentially enabled
this somehow or been pranked by IT.  Nope, everything's default and nothing
I can find indicates that this behavior is enabled.

I'll spare the list my rant about how offensive this is, both to a user and
to the linux philosophy (why is 'delete' doing two things and acting like
cut?!?); suffice to say it's driving me nuts.  Has anyone observed this
and/or have any ideas on how to fix it?

Thanks,
Alex
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From bliss at sfo.com  Tue Oct 26 20:40:41 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:40:41 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] GNOME cut/paste/delete issue
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimHuvXE4WjWKMkjg1OctbhsfRHhjJXt7p303wDO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimHuvXE4WjWKMkjg1OctbhsfRHhjJXt7p303wDO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <sig.691660fa0e.4CC79F39.5050409@sfo.com>

On 10/26/2010 05:23 PM, Alex Stahl wrote:
> Hi Folks - Wondering if anyone's seen this problem, and if they might 
> know a solution:
>
> Env:
> -Ubuntu 10.04
> -GNOME 2.30.2 (incl.)
>
> If I cut a section of text (highlight, then ctrl-x), then highlight & 
> delete (via Delete key) another piece of text, then paste (ctrl-v), I 
> get the deleted text, not the cut text.  I'm blaming GNOME since it 
> happens between various independent apps.  I could perform the cut in 
> gedit, and the delete in netbeans, and the paste in an email, and I 
> get the same results.  Oh, and it doesn't happen 100% of the time.
>
> I haven't changed any mappings or keyboard shortcuts, and have even 
> triple-checked various preferences to ensure I hadn't accidentially 
> enabled this somehow or been pranked by IT.  Nope, everything's 
> default and nothing I can find indicates that this behavior is enabled.
>
> I'll spare the list my rant about how offensive this is, both to a 
> user and to the linux philosophy (why is 'delete' doing two things and 
> acting like cut?!?); suffice to say it's driving me nuts.  Has anyone 
> observed this and/or have any ideas on how to fix it?
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>    
     I have noticed that clipboard in Gnome is far less versatile than 
in KDE,
     In KDE you can directly access the contents and deliberately erase
all of the entries.
     I don't see anyway to change this behavior though I will keep looking.
     This clipboard is about as good as the one in AmigaOS 1.3 which didn't
noticeably improve by AOS 3.9.

      However for a work-around you might try selecting the text you
wish to replace then doing the paste directly into the selected area.
     This works for me and seems to keep the replaced text out
of the clipboard.

     later
     bliss



From bliss at sfo.com  Tue Oct 26 22:18:56 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:18:56 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] GNOME cut/paste/delete issue
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimODnA4vMOPkmQ_48ixi=jYxvszw0My6sjqx7pH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimHuvXE4WjWKMkjg1OctbhsfRHhjJXt7p303wDO@mail.gmail.com>	<sig.691660fa0e.4CC79F39.5050409@sfo.com>
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Message-ID: <sig.99166ac439.4CC7B640.2040800@sfo.com>

On 10/26/2010 08:49 PM, Alex Stahl wrote:
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.  Unfortunately, my cut/paste behavior is 
> pretty hardwired into my hands after far too many years on Windoze.  
> To its credit, that OS always performed that task exactly as expected 
> (of course, it has myriad other overwhelming drawbacks).
>
> Anyway, any chance you know which lib handles this behavior?  Maybe 
> I'll get ambitious and fix it myself.  Just wouldn't know which code 
> to look at in the first place.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
     No chance at all that I know that information,  Did a brief search 
on the Global, Application-spanning
Clipboard and I find that it is working as it is supposed to do.  But I 
so far have found nothing in
the Gnome Help locally or on forums that covers that data.      I would 
suspect best to go
to find our what Gnome development is doing,

     Other than that I may check out the Kubuntu install with KDE 4.5.x 
and try to learn
about other matters there,  But Mandriva with the Gnome interface is 
adequate for
me at this point as long as i remember to clear the clipboard by copying 
a long
text after having sensitive material on it.  On KDE I used to simply 
open the
menu and clear it.

     later
     bliss

> On Oct 26, 2010 8:43 PM, "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss at sfo.com 
> <mailto:bliss at sfo.com>> wrote:
> > On 10/26/2010 05:23 PM, Alex Stahl wrote:
> >> Hi Folks - Wondering if anyone's seen this problem, and if they might
> >> know a solution:
> >>
> >> Env:
> >> -Ubuntu 10.04
> >> -GNOME 2.30.2 (incl.)
> >>
> >> If I cut a section of text (highlight, then ctrl-x), then highlight &
> >> delete (via Delete key) another piece of text, then paste (ctrl-v), I
> >> get the deleted text, not the cut text. I'm blaming GNOME since it
> >> happens between various independent apps. I could perform the cut in
> >> gedit, and the delete in netbeans, and the paste in an email, and I
> >> get the same results. Oh, and it doesn't happen 100% of the time.
> >>
> >> I haven't changed any mappings or keyboard shortcuts, and have even
> >> triple-checked various preferences to ensure I hadn't accidentially
> >> enabled this somehow or been pranked by IT. Nope, everything's
> >> default and nothing I can find indicates that this behavior is enabled.
> >>
> >> I'll spare the list my rant about how offensive this is, both to a
> >> user and to the linux philosophy (why is 'delete' doing two things and
> >> acting like cut?!?); suffice to say it's driving me nuts. Has anyone
> >> observed this and/or have any ideas on how to fix it?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alex
> >>
> > I have noticed that clipboard in Gnome is far less versatile than
> > in KDE,
> > In KDE you can directly access the contents and deliberately erase
> > all of the entries.
> > I don't see anyway to change this behavior though I will keep looking.
> > This clipboard is about as good as the one in AmigaOS 1.3 which didn't
> > noticeably improve by AOS 3.9.
> >
> > However for a work-around you might try selecting the text you
> > wish to replace then doing the paste directly into the selected area.
> > This works for me and seems to keep the replaced text out
> > of the clipboard.
> >
> > later
> > bliss




From grantbow at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 02:40:30 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 05:40:30 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] GNOME cut/paste/delete issue
In-Reply-To: <sig.99166ac439.4CC7B640.2040800@sfo.com>
References: <AANLkTimHuvXE4WjWKMkjg1OctbhsfRHhjJXt7p303wDO@mail.gmail.com>
	<sig.691660fa0e.4CC79F39.5050409@sfo.com>
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Not sure if this helps, but parcellite is a gnome clipboard manager.
I don't think it's installed by default.

Grant

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com> wrote:
> On 10/26/2010 08:49 PM, Alex Stahl wrote:
>> Thanks for the suggestions. ?Unfortunately, my cut/paste behavior is
>> pretty hardwired into my hands after far too many years on Windoze. ?To its
>> credit, that OS always performed that task exactly as expected (of course,
>> it has myriad other overwhelming drawbacks).
>>
>> Anyway, any chance you know which lib handles this behavior? ?Maybe I'll
>> get ambitious and fix it myself. ?Just wouldn't know which code to look at
>> in the first place.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
> ? ?No chance at all that I know that information, ?Did a brief search on the
> Global, Application-spanning
> Clipboard and I find that it is working as it is supposed to do. ?But I so
> far have found nothing in
> the Gnome Help locally or on forums that covers that data. ? ? ?I would
> suspect best to go
> to find our what Gnome development is doing,
>
> ? ?Other than that I may check out the Kubuntu install with KDE 4.5.x and
> try to learn
> about other matters there, ?But Mandriva with the Gnome interface is
> adequate for
> me at this point as long as i remember to clear the clipboard by copying a
> long
> text after having sensitive material on it. ?On KDE I used to simply open
> the
> menu and clear it.
>
> ? ?later
> ? ?bliss
>
>> On Oct 26, 2010 8:43 PM, "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss at sfo.com
>> <mailto:bliss at sfo.com>> wrote:
>> > On 10/26/2010 05:23 PM, Alex Stahl wrote:
>> >> Hi Folks - Wondering if anyone's seen this problem, and if they might
>> >> know a solution:
>> >>
>> >> Env:
>> >> -Ubuntu 10.04
>> >> -GNOME 2.30.2 (incl.)
>> >>
>> >> If I cut a section of text (highlight, then ctrl-x), then highlight &
>> >> delete (via Delete key) another piece of text, then paste (ctrl-v), I
>> >> get the deleted text, not the cut text. I'm blaming GNOME since it
>> >> happens between various independent apps. I could perform the cut in
>> >> gedit, and the delete in netbeans, and the paste in an email, and I
>> >> get the same results. Oh, and it doesn't happen 100% of the time.
>> >>
>> >> I haven't changed any mappings or keyboard shortcuts, and have even
>> >> triple-checked various preferences to ensure I hadn't accidentially
>> >> enabled this somehow or been pranked by IT. Nope, everything's
>> >> default and nothing I can find indicates that this behavior is enabled.
>> >>
>> >> I'll spare the list my rant about how offensive this is, both to a
>> >> user and to the linux philosophy (why is 'delete' doing two things and
>> >> acting like cut?!?); suffice to say it's driving me nuts. Has anyone
>> >> observed this and/or have any ideas on how to fix it?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Alex
>> >>
>> > I have noticed that clipboard in Gnome is far less versatile than
>> > in KDE,
>> > In KDE you can directly access the contents and deliberately erase
>> > all of the entries.
>> > I don't see anyway to change this behavior though I will keep looking.
>> > This clipboard is about as good as the one in AmigaOS 1.3 which didn't
>> > noticeably improve by AOS 3.9.
>> >
>> > However for a work-around you might try selecting the text you
>> > wish to replace then doing the paste directly into the selected area.
>> > This works for me and seems to keep the replaced text out
>> > of the clipboard.
>> >
>> > later
>> > bliss
>
>
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From bliss at sfo.com  Wed Oct 27 08:00:18 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:00:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] GNOME cut/paste/delete issue
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikduQ-kuHrTzkH0_CmeL7JSojhJG+tAeM9X89uc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimHuvXE4WjWKMkjg1OctbhsfRHhjJXt7p303wDO@mail.gmail.com>	<sig.691660fa0e.4CC79F39.5050409@sfo.com>	<AANLkTimODnA4vMOPkmQ_48ixi=jYxvszw0My6sjqx7pH@mail.gmail.com>	<sig.99166ac439.4CC7B640.2040800@sfo.com>
	<AANLkTikduQ-kuHrTzkH0_CmeL7JSojhJG+tAeM9X89uc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <sig.4916d5497f.4CC83E82.6050807@sfo.com>

On 10/27/2010 02:40 AM, Grant Bowman wrote:
> Not sure if this helps, but parcellite is a gnome clipboard manager.
> I don't think it's installed by default.
>
> Grant
>    

     It is a great improvement if not the answer to the problems Alex and
myself raised.
     Thanks
     Grant
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Bobbie Sellers<bliss at sfo.com>  wrote:
>    
>> On 10/26/2010 08:49 PM, Alex Stahl wrote:
>>      
>>> Thanks for the suggestions.  Unfortunately, my cut/paste behavior is
>>> pretty hardwired into my hands after far too many years on Windoze.  To its
>>> credit, that OS always performed that task exactly as expected (of course,
>>> it has myriad other overwhelming drawbacks).
>>>
>>> Anyway, any chance you know which lib handles this behavior?  Maybe I'll
>>> get ambitious and fix it myself.  Just wouldn't know which code to look at
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>        
>>     No chance at all that I know that information,  Did a brief search on the
>> Global, Application-spanning
>> Clipboard and I find that it is working as it is supposed to do.  But I so
>> far have found nothing in
>> the Gnome Help locally or on forums that covers that data.      I would
>> suspect best to go
>> to find our what Gnome development is doing,
>>
>>     Other than that I may check out the Kubuntu install with KDE 4.5.x and
>> try to learn
>> about other matters there,  But Mandriva with the Gnome interface is
>> adequate for
>> me at this point as long as i remember to clear the clipboard by copying a
>> long
>> text after having sensitive material on it.  On KDE I used to simply open
>> the
>> menu and clear it.
>>
>>     later
>>     bliss
>>
>>      
>>> On Oct 26, 2010 8:43 PM, "Bobbie Sellers"<bliss at sfo.com
>>> <mailto:bliss at sfo.com>>  wrote:
>>>        
>>>> On 10/26/2010 05:23 PM, Alex Stahl wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>> Hi Folks - Wondering if anyone's seen this problem, and if they might
>>>>> know a solution:
>>>>>
>>>>> Env:
>>>>> -Ubuntu 10.04
>>>>> -GNOME 2.30.2 (incl.)
>>>>>
>>>>> If I cut a section of text (highlight, then ctrl-x), then highlight&
>>>>> delete (via Delete key) another piece of text, then paste (ctrl-v), I
>>>>> get the deleted text, not the cut text. I'm blaming GNOME since it
>>>>> happens between various independent apps. I could perform the cut in
>>>>> gedit, and the delete in netbeans, and the paste in an email, and I
>>>>> get the same results. Oh, and it doesn't happen 100% of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't changed any mappings or keyboard shortcuts, and have even
>>>>> triple-checked various preferences to ensure I hadn't accidentially
>>>>> enabled this somehow or been pranked by IT. Nope, everything's
>>>>> default and nothing I can find indicates that this behavior is enabled.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll spare the list my rant about how offensive this is, both to a
>>>>> user and to the linux philosophy (why is 'delete' doing two things and
>>>>> acting like cut?!?); suffice to say it's driving me nuts. Has anyone
>>>>> observed this and/or have any ideas on how to fix it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> I have noticed that clipboard in Gnome is far less versatile than
>>>> in KDE,
>>>> In KDE you can directly access the contents and deliberately erase
>>>> all of the entries.
>>>> I don't see anyway to change this behavior though I will keep looking.
>>>> This clipboard is about as good as the one in AmigaOS 1.3 which didn't
>>>> noticeably improve by AOS 3.9.
>>>>
>>>> However for a work-around you might try selecting the text you
>>>> wish to replace then doing the paste directly into the selected area.
>>>> This works for me and seems to keep the replaced text out
>>>> of the clipboard.
>>>>
>>>> later
>>>> bliss
>




From jim at systemateka.com  Wed Oct 27 08:00:24 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:00:24 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] GNOME cut/paste/delete issue
In-Reply-To: <sig.691660fa0e.4CC79F39.5050409@sfo.com>
References: <AANLkTimHuvXE4WjWKMkjg1OctbhsfRHhjJXt7p303wDO@mail.gmail.com>
	<sig.691660fa0e.4CC79F39.5050409@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <1288191624.1875.34.camel@jim-laptop>


   As I read it, the complaint seems to be about the 
behavior of the delete key. The expectation is that 
the delete key simply eliminates the highlighted stuff 
and, importantly, does not disturb the global clipboard. 
In some contexts, the delete key copies the stuff to 
the global clipboard. 
   The immediate work-around is to paste the clipboard 
contents to something, anything to preserve them, before 
using the delete key. 
   The intermediate project seems to be to learn in what 
context the delete key copies to the clipboard. 
   I agree that the delete key should not disturb the 
clipboard, so, per the definition that a bug is behavior 
that is not expected, I say file a bug. It ought to be 
apparent to whom after learning the various contexts in 
which the bad effect happens. 



On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 20:40 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 10/26/2010 05:23 PM, Alex Stahl wrote:
> > Hi Folks - Wondering if anyone's seen this problem, and if they might 
> > know a solution:
> >
> > Env:
> > -Ubuntu 10.04
> > -GNOME 2.30.2 (incl.)
> >
> > If I cut a section of text (highlight, then ctrl-x), then highlight & 
> > delete (via Delete key) another piece of text, then paste (ctrl-v), I 
> > get the deleted text, not the cut text.  I'm blaming GNOME since it 
> > happens between various independent apps.  I could perform the cut in 
> > gedit, and the delete in netbeans, and the paste in an email, and I 
> > get the same results.  Oh, and it doesn't happen 100% of the time.
> >
> > I haven't changed any mappings or keyboard shortcuts, and have even 
> > triple-checked various preferences to ensure I hadn't accidentially 
> > enabled this somehow or been pranked by IT.  Nope, everything's 
> > default and nothing I can find indicates that this behavior is enabled.
> >
> > I'll spare the list my rant about how offensive this is, both to a 
> > user and to the linux philosophy (why is 'delete' doing two things and 
> > acting like cut?!?); suffice to say it's driving me nuts.  Has anyone 
> > observed this and/or have any ideas on how to fix it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> >    
>      I have noticed that clipboard in Gnome is far less versatile than 
> in KDE,
>      In KDE you can directly access the contents and deliberately erase
> all of the entries.
>      I don't see anyway to change this behavior though I will keep looking.
>      This clipboard is about as good as the one in AmigaOS 1.3 which didn't
> noticeably improve by AOS 3.9.
> 
>       However for a work-around you might try selecting the text you
> wish to replace then doing the paste directly into the selected area.
>      This works for me and seems to keep the replaced text out
> of the clipboard.
> 
>      later
>      bliss
> 
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From jim at systemateka.com  Wed Oct 27 11:42:58 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:42:58 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, October 28,
 2010: Consulting As a Career Choice
Message-ID: <1288204978.1875.141.camel@jim-laptop>


BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, October 28, 2010: Consulting As a Career
Choice


This meeting's talk is Consulting As a Career Choice 
by Glen Jarvis, Monte Davidoff,  Emile Van Sebille, Annette Bourget 

Tonight's talk is a four-person mini-talk and Q&A Panel:
* Business Resources Available to You -- Glen Jarvis
* A topic from Marketing and Networking -- Annet Bourget
* Issues of Business Entities/Legal Stuff -- Monte Davidoff
* Consulting vs. Contracting - Emile van Sebille


.........................................

Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion 
of an essential Python feature, especially for those new to 
Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: none. 


LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------


..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, 
any first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:35 PM ................
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: none. 


..... 7:35 PM to 8:40 PM (or so) ................
The talk: Consulting As a Career Choice  


..... 8:40 PM to 9:10 PM  ................
Questions and Answers 


..... 9:10 PM to 9:30 PM  ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, 
hiring, events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow 
up on the announcements and other interests.





From nbs at sonic.net  Mon Nov  1 13:11:46 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:11:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis, November 15th: "Wget"
Message-ID: <201011012011.oA1KBk5a011737@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding its next meeting on:

  Monday
  November 15, 2010
  7:00pm - 9:00pm


The meeting will be held at:

  Explorit Nature Center
  3141 5th Street
  Davis, California 95616


Presentation:

  GNU Wget is a computer program that retrieves content from web
  servers. It supports downloading via HTTP, HTTPS, and FTP protocols,
  the most popular TCP/IP-based protocols used for web browsing.
 
  Its features include recursive download, conversion of links for offline
  viewing of local HTML, support for proxies, and much more. It appeared
  in 1996, coinciding with the boom of popularity of the Web, causing
  its wide use among Unix users and distribution with most major Linux
  distributions. Written in portable C, Wget can be easily installed
  on any Unix-like system and has been ported to many environments,
  including Mac OS X, Microsoft Windows, OpenVMS, MorphOS and AmigaOS.
 
  It has been used as the basis for graphical programs such as GWget
  for the GNOME Desktop and KGet for the KDE Desktop and VisualWget for
  Windows. [Description from Wikipedia].
 
  Micah Cowan was maintainer of Wget between mid-2007 and early 2010.
  His talk will discuss:

    * What is Wget? 
    * My history with Wget 
    * How to use Wget 
      + Restartable downloads 
      + Website archiving/recursive downloads 
      + Fine-grained controls over which links to follow 
      + Content conversions for local browsing 
    * Wget shortcomings 
    * Lessons learned while maintaining Wget 
    * Issues unique to maintaining a GNU project


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/


About LUGOD:

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From grantbow at ubuntu.com  Tue Nov  2 16:18:34 2010
From: grantbow at ubuntu.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:18:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] X.org Keyboard Problems in Ubuntu (several versions)
Message-ID: <AANLkTinx_Jp2qhza3GRzwCjbW-xv81VOoTrA6eCpZ7_G@mail.gmail.com>

I have had one machine with more problems than others with the
keyboard "Ctrl" key getting stuck down.  It may relate to this bug.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 At least two other
friends of mine have also seen this issue.  Some people report that
switching to kernel-provided virtual terminals and switching back
helps, but not on my main laptop, at least not all the time.

Related bugs I have encountered had similar problems using Zephyr, a
nested X server trying to get the Sugar packages over to Ubuntu.  The
problem triggered a deep X bug that may be getting more triggers or it
may be some similar bugs that are unrelated.

What are other people's experience with this?

Regards,

Grant Bowman
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam



From grantbow at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 16:35:07 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:35:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Announcing the release of Fedora 14
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim22hdsRdDh8vPmSF1jzRA3ba5vJsAqVJ3z63xv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim22hdsRdDh8vPmSF1jzRA3ba5vJsAqVJ3z63xv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=PA3iQqOwXsdF0tOufyZ8-UhPk8owzRZTm3eX7@mail.gmail.com>

FYI,

If you want to get the announcements in the future, please subscribe
to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/announce

Grant Bowman


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jared K. Smith <jsmith at fedoraproject.org>
Date: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:27 AM
Subject: Announcing the release of Fedora 14
To: announce <announce at lists.fedoraproject.org>, devel-announce
<devel-announce at lists.fedoraproject.org>


It's here! ?It's here! ?It's really here! ?Fedora 14 has been
officially released! Fedora is a leading edge, free and open source
operating system that continues to deliver innovative features to many
users, with a new release approximately every six months.

Fedora 14, codename Laughlin, is now available for download. ?Join us
and share the joy of free software and the community with friends and
family.

We know you can't wait to get started with Fedora 14, so simply follow
this link to download it today:
?http://get.fedoraproject.org?anF14

If you want a quick tour of highlights in this release, check out:
?http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Talking_Points?anF14

For more information including common and known bugs, and tips on how to report
bugs, please refer to the release notes:
?http://docs.fedoraproject.org/?anF14

You can also find this announcement text at:
?http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_announcement?anF14

=== What's New in Fedora 14? ===

==== For desktop users ====
A universe of new features for end users:

* libjpeg-turbo: ?Users can load and save images faster in Fedora 14
than in previous releases.
* Spice: Spice (Simple Protocol for Independent Computing
Environments) provides users with an enhanced remote desktop
experience. Currently, it provides the rudimentary foundation to take
advantage of things like Accelerated 2D graphics, encryption, and
hardware cursor support.

==== For developers ====
For developers there are all sorts of additional goodies:

* D: Fedora 14 introduces support for D, a systems programming
language combining the power and high performance of C and C++ with
the programmer productivity of modern languages such as Ruby and
Python.
* Python 2 upgrade: The system python 2 stack has been upgraded to 2.7.
* GNUStep: A GUI framework based of the Objective-C programming
language which is part of the gcc.
* Memory Debugging Tools: The new "gdb-heap" package adds a new "heap"
command to /usr/bin/gdb which allows you to get a breakdown of how a
process is using dynamic memory.
* Rakudo Star: An implementation of Perl version 6, based on the Parrot VM.
* Support for Milkymist: Developers can enjoy developing for
Milkymist, an open hardware embedded board, on Fedora 14. Thanks to
the Fedora Electronic Lab for their work in this regard.

==== For system administrators ====
And don't think we forgot about the system administrators:

* Fedora is now available for users of the Amazon Elastic Computing
Cloud service, released concurrently with the traditional release.
* virt-v2v assists in the easy migration of Xen virtual machines to
KVM virtual machines.
* A Virtualization Technology Preview Repo allows users to test the
very latest developments in virtualization related packages.
* Varnish has been updated and includes improved scalability and a new
log function.
* Apache has been updated and includes a number of module and security fixes.

And that's only the beginning. Updated versions of many packages, as
usual, will be available in Fedora 14. A more complete list with more
details of the new features on board Fedora 14 is available at:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/14/FeatureList?anF14

OK, so what are you waiting for? ?Go download it! ?You know you can't wait.

http://get.fedoraproject.org/?anF14

If you are upgrading from a previous release of Fedora, refer to

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading?anF14

In particular, Fedora has made preupgrade a more robust solution and
pushed several bug fixes to older releases of Fedora to enable an easy
upgrade to Fedora 14.

Fedora 14 full release notes and guides for several languages are available at:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/?anF14

Fedora 14 common bugs are documented at:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs?anF14

=== Fedora Spins ===

Fedora spins are alternate version of Fedora, tailored for various
types of users via hand-picked application set or customizations. They
can be found at:

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== Contributing Back to Fedora ==

There are many ways to contribute beyond bug reporting. ?You can help
translate software and content, test and give feedback on software
updates, write and edit documentation, design and do artwork, help
with all sorts of promotional activities, and package free software
for use by millions of Fedora users worldwide. ?To get started, visit
http://join.fedoraproject.org/?anF14 today!

== Fedora 15 ==

Even as we continue to provide updates with enhancements and bug fixes
to improve the Fedora 14 experience, our next release, Fedora 15, is
already being developed in parallel, and has been open for active
development for several months already. We have an early schedule for
an end of April 2011 release:

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/15/Schedule?anF14

== Contact information ==

If you are a journalist or reporter, you can find additional information at:

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--
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Fedora Project Leader
--
announce mailing list
announce at lists.fedoraproject.org
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/announce



From micahflee at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 17:50:14 2010
From: micahflee at gmail.com (Micah Lee)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:50:14 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Toshiba Satellite M645-S4080 backlit keyboard
Message-ID: <4CD0B1C6.60903@gmail.com>

I just bought a new amazing laptop full of 8GB of RAM, 4 cores, and lots
of other goodies. It's a Toshiba Satellite M645-S4080, and it has a nice
backlit keyboard that works great in windows, but doesn't work in linux
with ACPI enabled. I'm running 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10.

Here's a thread where a lot of people are having the same problem, but
no one has found a solution:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1533744

When I boot with the flag acpi=off, the keyboard works great. But only 1
of my 4 cores gets recognized and the keyboard keys to adjust the screen
brightness stop working, and possibly other stuff too.

I've also tried booting with a bunch of other ACPI-related flags:
acpi=ht, acpi=noirq, pci=noacpi, pnpacpi=off, noapic, nolapic. None of
them make the backlit keyboard work, only acpi=off.

I know hardly anything about ACPI. Is it possible for me to enable it,
but just disable the part that's preventing the keyboard from working
right? I've looked through the repository for ACPI packages but nothing
that has anything to do with keyboards. Any ideas?

I'd be glad to bring this laptop to a LUG meeting too if anyone thinks
they can make it work.

Thanks,
Micah



From lyz at princessleia.com  Tue Nov  2 22:59:31 2010
From: lyz at princessleia.com (Elizabeth Krumbach)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:59:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Wednesday,
	November 10th: Ubuntu Hour and Bay Area Debian Meeting
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ogO-+v2m5=zCd8pBbLudGMOPyevLqgaVb0qS9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

This month we decided to sync up our Ubuntu Hour at The Roastery on
New Montgomery with the same evening that Bay Area Debian plans to
have their meetings - the 2nd Wednesday of the month.

So on Wednesday November 10th there will be two, complementing,
meetups across the street from each other:

San Francisco Ubuntu Hour
Time: 6-7PM
Location: The Roastery, 199 New Montgomery Street, San Francisco

Bay Area Debian Meeting
Time: 7-9PM (or later!)
Location: Henry's Hunan Restaurant, 110 Natoma Street, San Francisco

So come out to the Ubuntu Hour and join us for dinner at the Bay Area
Debian Meeting!

Or come early to the Bay Area Debian meeting and grab a coffee at the
Ubuntu Hour!

To find us at both events, look for the people in the Linux shirts
(I'll be wearing a black shirt with a big Ubuntu logo on the front)
and the Squeeze and Wheezy stuffed toys :)

-- 
Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2
http://www.princessleia.com



From mikkimc at earthlink.net  Thu Nov  4 14:28:49 2010
From: mikkimc at earthlink.net (Mikki McGee)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 14:28:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux download
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W8C2B8A81607CE4CA25B21D5410@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.3.1287946802.30166.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
	<SNT111-W8C2B8A81607CE4CA25B21D5410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4CD32591.7070705@earthlink.net>

Hi;

    Has anyone an opinion on the best dvd media player for Ubuntu, 
especially U  8.04


Mikki McGee
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From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Nov  4 17:33:24 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:33:24 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting this Sunday November 7
Message-ID: <sig.892574a5ce.4CD350D4.5020204@sfo.com>

Hello Luggers,

     Well don't forget to set your clocks back to Standard Time
this Saturday night.

     The meeting as usual is on Sunday from 11 AM to 1 PM
nominally at the Cafe Enchante 26th and Geary in
San Francisco.

     Hope you all can make it.

     later
     bliss



From mark at gidgetkitchen.org  Fri Nov  5 01:30:27 2010
From: mark at gidgetkitchen.org (Mark Terranova)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 01:30:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Even more FOSS events
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyFfa-v2=_-ZOeBiQNLaGTWhnVnsstHripuUMj@mail.gmail.com>

Saturday 6th Geeknic Heather Farms, Walnut Creek.
http://geeknic.org/?p=139
Or if you like to use that Facebook stuff:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=114159221980753

Saturday 13th -Fedora 14 Release Party - Walnut Creek Saxbys Coffee shop
Free Cake, refreshments, USB drives, and various other assorted SWAG.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F14_Bay_Area
Facebook link:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=157661377604070

Monday, November 15, 2010 Creative Commons Salon, 7:00-9:00 PM
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/San_Francisco_Salon

Wednesday, December 15th Partimus First Fundraiser *Save the date*
http://partimus.org/fundraising_event_2010.php

Saturday, January 15th Community Leadership Summit West - All day
http://www.meetup.com/clswest/calendar/13850251/

Various times, Ubuntu Hour - San Francisco, San Jose, Mountain View
http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 09:46:10 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:46:10 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Even more FOSS events
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikyFfa-v2=_-ZOeBiQNLaGTWhnVnsstHripuUMj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikyFfa-v2=_-ZOeBiQNLaGTWhnVnsstHripuUMj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTYK5xvzUsKbm9RXwJURqQ76+5E1uwKGfs=oqF@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

Wednesday, December 15th Partimus First Fundraiser *Save the date*
> http://partimus.org/fundraising_event_2010.php
>
>
Mark, thanks very much for posting this notice.

A number of volunteers have been working very hard for free for 6.5 years
now in various public schools around the Bay Area to place GNU-Linux
machines in public schools.  We have established a good foundation, and we
now want to build on that foundation.  The teachers appreciate Linux, are
not afraid of it, and use it heavily for a wide variety of functions,
including some mission-critical functions such as reporting grades and so
forth, at least in some schools.  In some of the schools, Linux is the only
platform to which the kids have access for reaching the Internet.

All of this is a marvelous accomplishment, and we want to extend that
achievement. But to do so, we are going to need to bring in funds.  We have
been running entirely on volunteer fumes.  If we are going to expand, we
will need to establish a financial foundation to build on the foundation of
goodwill we have achieved and technical prowess that we have demonstrated.


Toward that end, we are holding an initial fundraiser to build a fundraising
committee on December 15, 2010, at 5 pm at 1601 Turk Street, at the Creative
Arts Charter School, in the Board Room.  The purpose of this meeting is to
create a group of dedicated volunteers who will focus on fundraising for our
Linux-schools efforts.  We will be providing modest refreshments, and we
will be asking for a suggested donation of $25.00 at the time of the
12/15/10 meeting to kick off our fundraising drive.

Free open source software has created a lot of jobs and wealth, and now is a
great time for us to expand our efforts to bring the considerable benefits
of free software to those who really need it most, namely, public schools
whose budgets have been mercilessly slashed for more than a decade.
 Supporting education fits very well with the FOSS culture of expanding
knowledge, transparency, and democracy.  Attending this fundraiser would be
a great way for the members of this list to make a commitment to supporting
our proven and very successful efforts to get FOSS ideals into the broader
society.

We will not be asking for too much of your time.  We will only be asking you
to share your contacts will us, and help us do outreach to get your friends
and neighbors to make small but meaningful financial contributions to our
efforts.

One of the specific goals of the 12/15/10 fundraiser will be to prepare for
a larger fundraiser to be held in the spring at the Creative Arts Charter
School.  That fundraiser will be a large installfest and FOSS festival.  We
are planning to have booths for Bay Area FOSS-related groups, such as local
LUGs and local FOSS-related businesses, both large and small.  We will have
barbeques and games for kids.  It will be a fun, family-oriented event that
will have the dual purpose of raising money and soliciting hardware
donations, which will be triaged on the spot and we will install GNU-Linux
on machines that are brought in, so that we can turn those machine right
around and install them in the 6 Bay Area Schools where we have a FOSS
presence.

Also for the 12/15/10 event, we are asking people to bring working laptops,
printers, monitors, keyboards, and optical mice towers to donate.  Our
minimum spec for donation is 512 MB of RAM and at least 1.8 Ghz chips or the
AMD equivalent.

Thanks again to Mark Terranova for helping us promote the 12/15/10 event!
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From jim at systemateka.com  Fri Nov  5 13:11:09 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:11:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Linux download]]
 DVD media player
Message-ID: <1288987869.2044.107.camel@jim-laptop>




VLC Media Player.
sudo apt-get install vlc

It's the best media player all around, for Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X.
DVD playback works great, and it includes all major codecs. It will even
work with a remote control if you have one, and it has all sorts of
features and plugins, yet it's still light-weight.

Also for good media playback in Ubuntu I recommend adding stuff from the
Mediubuntu repository, which includes a bunch of proprietary codecs and
stuff. http://medibuntu.org/.

Micah

On 11/04/2010 07:46 PM, jim wrote:
> 
> As seen on SF-LUG's mailing list: 
> 
>     Has anyone an opinion on the best dvd media player for Ubuntu,
> especially U  8.04
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
> 




From bliss at sfo.com  Sun Nov  7 14:30:19 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:30:19 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Sunday 7 November & Next meeting 15 November.
Message-ID: <sig.89272d6730.4CD7287B.1050400@sfo.com>

     Luggers
         What a rain this morning but I covered up my cart
full of computer and the like and got to the meeting
at 11 AM,  Ken who has been in Vermont followed, then
Jim showed up and finally Jeff.
     Ken demoed his Ubuntu on a USB drive after we
demonstrated the difference between his install
and my Knoppix install.
     My Knoppix looks like an opened ISO but his
Ubuntu looks like a normal disk based install.
Ubuntu has a specific utility to make this sort
of install.  Ken's comes in Gnome 2.3.2 and the
Knoppix comes up in LXFE.

     Around 1255 we packed up and left
     Ken went his way with his charming wife
and Jim gave myself and Jeff a ride home.

     Now the reason for this posting is not this
meeting though it was an interesting exercise
but to remind people that a week from
Monday on November 15 is the next
SF-LUG meeting from 6-8 PM at the
same place, Cafe Enchante.

     I have decided for the immediate future to
leave the external USB CD/DVD r/w drive at
home unless someone needs it to do an
install at a meeting.  If you do send me an
e-mail either thru the group or privately.

         later
        Bobbie Sellers



From jim at systemateka.com  Mon Nov  8 16:54:52 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:54:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Linux download]]
Message-ID: <1289264092.1879.19.camel@jim-laptop>



VLC has the most codecs built-in, but mplayer is better suited for easy control.

mplayer is the workhorse, but doesn't handle DVD menus and navigation.

Xine I resort to on some DVDs since it's a little easier to specify
the DVD (or .VOB files) as an input, or because some few file formats
don't decode on the others.  Sometimes handles menus a little better.





From bill at wards.net  Tue Nov  9 16:13:57 2010
From: bill at wards.net (bill at wards.net)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:13:57 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] TOMORROW: PenLUG meeting 11/10/2010
Message-ID: <E1PFyK5-000505-4D@mail.westernweb.com>

PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS:

   +--------------------------------------+
   |Date:    |Wednesday, November 10, 2010|
   |---------+----------------------------|
   |Time:    |6:00 - 8:00 PM              |
   |---------+----------------------------|
   |         |Bayshore Technology Park    |
   |Location:|1300 Island Drive           |
   |         |Redwood City, CA 94065      |
   |         |Suite 106 - Training Room   |
   |---------+----------------------------|
   |RSVP:    |Facebook: (coming soon)     |
   |         |or mail rsvp at penlug.org     |
   +--------------------------------------+

   Note we are now meeting on Wednesdays! Since March 2010, we moved to the
   fourth Wednesday of each month (except in November and December, when we
   meet on the second Wednesday to avoid holiday conflicts). The meeting is
   hosted by NewlineNoosh. There is no sponsor for food/drinks, so please
   bring a potluck item to share.

   Agenda:

     * 6:00 PM Potluck snacks
     * 6:15 PM Free book giveaways or other prizes
     * 6:30 PM Presentation begins
     * 8:00 PM Meeting ends

  Cathy Malmrose, ZaReason

   When Cathy Malmrose and her husband, Earl had finally had enough of blue
   screens and Saturdays lost on tech support, they turned to LinuxLand^? for
   answers. They found there weren't many companies building computers
   optimized for Linux. Since Cathy had grown up in Redmond, WA and since
   both Earl and Cathy had lived in Austin, TX amongst the Dellionaires, they
   found that it would be quite interesting and fun to create their own
   computer company. In early 2007 they founded ZaReason, Inc. Cathy's
   background includes forming a successful non-profit, Partimus.org that
   supplies educational institutions internationally with Linux-only desktops
   and laptops for school's computer labs, run by Christian Einfeldt.

   Cathy's presentation is titled, "Is Ubuntu Easy Enough for a Six-Year
   Old?" where she will tell the stories that surrounded her family's
   decision to devote their time and careers to building ZaReason. There were
   many funny circumstances involving their entry into Linux. Come enjoy
   hearing about one family's introduction into easier computing. She will
   also be seeking your input, so if you have goodness to share, you are
   warmly invited.

   As one of Cathy's signature presentation "extras", she will be doing a Pop
   Quiz at the end, testing your general knowledge of the History of
   Computing, during which she will offer several prizes.

RSVP

  Although it is not required, we like to have an idea of how many
  people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you
  are planning to attend.

GETTING THERE

  For information on getting to the meeting, please see:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Island+Drive,+Redwood+City,+CA
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/DrivingDirectionsQualys
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/TransitDirectionsQualys

  Traffic on 101 can be pretty bad in the evening, so we encourage you
  to check traffic conditions before driving by dialing 5-1-1 on your
  phone or visiting www.511.org, and if possible to take public transit
  (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting.

MORE INFORMATION

  See www.penlug.org for more information.


This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists:
	members at penlug.org
	announce at penlug.org
	sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
	balug-talk at lists.balug.org
	svlug at lists.svlug.org
	svevents at yahoogroups.com
	vox at lists.lugod.org

  Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes.



From john_re at fastmail.us  Sun Nov 14 23:38:41 2010
From: john_re at fastmail.us (giovanni_re)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:38:41 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Great value maybe. handheld computer + phone @ RadioShack
 $200 only til Nov 20? $25/m unlimited internet; jor
Message-ID: <1289806721.27132.1405309175@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I just bought a new computer, Samsung Intercept (SI) handheld computer
with touch screen & kbd, $200 new product offering (will go to $250 on
Nov 20?) at Radio Shack (RS).

It has Virgin Mobil (VM) cell phone access (Sprint owns the VM system in
USA).

I have 30 days to decide to keep or return it.

Runs Android.

Could be a superb value, with unlimited internet at $25/m from VM, which
includes 300 minutes talk time.  Unlimited
talk over wifi through Google talk.  IIRC, 1200min talk for $40.

Might be a great value for the budget minded, like students (hence my
post to BTIP).  If you're interested, get to Radio Shack right away
cause the discount intro pricing ends soon.

=
Two main questions I'm currently looking for answers to:

1) How can I tether a laptop through wifi to the SI through VM to the
internet?
1b) Tethering via USB would be better, but IIRC I heard somewhere that
teth via USB is impossible with Android. Any way to get USB tethering
working under Android?

2) What is the GNU(Linux) way to use this computer?  What distro should
I put on it?  Is there an Ubuntu or Debian distro for handheld computers
like this?
2b) Any suggestions about getting root & howto put a G(L) distro on?
2c) Should I merely get root, & leave the Android system on?


The user interface seems to lack organization, lacking a nicely
organized application grouping.  It just has about 20 icons for
different programs.

Runs Android 2.1.  The RS (IIRC) sales guy said Samsung doesn't have 2.2
on any Samsung phones yet, although 2.2 has been out for about 6 months.

If I should leave Android on it, what might I do about it not having 2.2
available?  Is that of much importance?


Any GNU(Linux) handheld computer users on this list?

Thanks. :)

==  Join in the Global weekly meetings, via voice, about all Free SW HW & Culture
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/




From jim at systemateka.com  Mon Nov 15 12:44:41 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:44:41 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug meets tonight at cafe enchante, 6 PM to 8 PM or so
Message-ID: <1289853881.1991.97.camel@jim-laptop>


   Come on down! SF-LUG meets at the Cafe Enchante 
on Geary at 26th Ave in the Richmond district of SF. 
6 PM to 8 PM or so. 





From jim at systemateka.com  Mon Nov 15 12:56:07 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:56:07 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: Fun events]
Message-ID: <1289854567.1991.98.camel@jim-laptop>



(As seen on a non-specific mailing list) 

Hello everyone, some fun stuff upcoming- 
Today a Fedora party from 3:30-7pm , Cake, coffee, and a few prizes.
NixiePixel will be there also http://nixielixel.com
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F14_Bay_Area

Next week Gidget Kitchen starts its FOSS classes, starting with pictures
using Linux, Hugin Panorama maker, and basic photo editing
Thursday the 18th 5:30- 6:30. Let us know what sorts of classes you
want, Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenShot video editor, what else sounds good?

Dec 15th is still on for a Partimus party/fundraiser
http://www.partimus.org/

Early next year, the next West Coast Community Leadership Summit is on
Jan 15, 2011, at DeVry in Daly City. 
https://twitter.com/CLSWEST




From jim at systemateka.com  Mon Nov 15 13:30:13 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:30:13 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, November 18,
 2010: Embedding Python as a Realtime Audio Scripting Engine
Message-ID: <1289856613.1991.138.camel@jim-laptop>


This meeting's talk is 
"Embedding Python as a Realtime Audio Scripting Engine" 
by Patrick Stinson 

Topics include 
* separation and communication between the application and the 
  scripting engine 
* why Python is "safe" for audio work, including empirical performance 
  metrics and caveats related to multithreaded processing as p
  performance requirements increase. 

I will share my experiences using the standard CPython implementation 
to research and develop a state-of-the-art scripting engine for the 
Play commercial sampling engine 

Speaker: Patrick Stinson
Patrick Stinson has a BSc in Computer Science from the University of 
London and currently lives in the North Lake Tahoe area. He started 
out working with CPython and Zope/Plone in his home town of Anchorage, 
Alaska and has most recently developed the user interface and 
scripting engine for the Hollywood-Based "Play" music platform. 

Play is a commercial audio engine intended for building software 
musical instruments. It runs in popular audio plugin formats, and 
provides a scripting engine that allows studio musicians to create 
complex musical effects and sequencing behavior. It uses Qt for the 
GUI, juce for audio support, and python for the scripting engine. 

LINKS: 
Find more information here: http://www.soundsonline.com/


.........................................

Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of 
an essential Python feature, especially for those new to Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: none. 


LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------


..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, 
any first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:35 PM ................
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: none. 


..... 7:35 PM to 8:25 PM (or so) ................
The talk: Embedding Python as a Realtime Audio Scripting Engine 


..... 8:25 PM to 8:55 PM (or so) ................
Questions and Answers 


..... 8:55 PM to 9:30 PM (or so) ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, 
hiring, events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow 
up on the announcements and other interests.





From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Nov 15 14:22:21 2010
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:22:21 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG meeting TOMORROW Tu 2010-11-16: Mark Terranova on
	Fedora	(14), etc.; & other BALUG news
Message-ID: <20101115142221.17933ueu8gz7enqc@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG meeting TOMORROW Tu 2010-11-16: Mark Terranova on Fedora (14),  
etc.; & other BALUG news

In this issue (details further below):
2010-11-16 Tu: BALUG meeting Tu: Mark Terranova on Fedora (14), etc.
    Linux/Ubuntu CDs

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-11-16

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-11-16 meeting, we're proud to present:

Mark Terranova on Fedora[1] (14), etc.

Mark Terranova will be giving a talk about Fedora and the recently
(2010-11-02) released Fedora 14.  He will also speak some about his
experiences with Local tech stuff.

Mark Terranova is a "West Coast Community-Developed-Software guy".
Mark has regularly taught many types of computer classes specializing
in the benefits of Linux and Cross-Platform Software.

He has been involved with spreading Linux for a while.  He has helped
organize Linux Release Parties and other tech events that make it fun -
using beer, BBQ, and other ways to create a fun community. He has spent
much time in Portland, Oregon working with FreeGeek.org[2]. Their
unique style helped him learn how to involve more people in computing.

This knowledge has helped him in his role as co-founder of
Gidget Kitchen[3] (GK).  "Gidget Kitchen donates computers, generally
using Ubuntu, to groups and individuals."  GK strives to make modern
technology simple, empowering, and easy for everyone to understand.
The only requirement is the ability to "play well with others."

Mark blames his interest in technical things and electronics on his
father Michael.  "He gave me a Commodore 64 and helped me get my
amateur radio license (N6TBD) at an early age".

1. http://fedoraproject.org/
2. http://www.freegeek.org/
3. http://www.gidgetkitchen.org/

See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at
this meeting (CDs, etc.)

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                      rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such.

Meeting Details...

                      6:30pm
                      Tuesday, November 16th, 2010 2010-11-16

                      Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                      731 Grant Ave.
                      San Francisco, CA 94108
                      Easy PARKING:
                        Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                        http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
            cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
            family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
            also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping
            to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following):

We'll have various Linux/Ubuntu/Fedora CDs available at the 2010-11-16
BALUG meeting (and likely also future meetings as long as our supply
lasts/continues), most notably presently including:
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Desktop CD PC (Intel x86) i386
(also at least some Fedora, Knoppix, and other Ubuntu variants presently)
Thanks to Grant Bowman and the Ubuntu California Team and others for
getting CDs to us.

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From mason.christopher.thomas at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 18:36:27 2010
From: mason.christopher.thomas at gmail.com (Chris Mason)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:36:27 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Sita Sings the Clues (CC) Creator to Visit Bay Area
Message-ID: <AANLkTimuOjhGng-Otm=rcLSSY3QfO=_Nk6iVFxwepoxN@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

Nina Paley, who created the copylefted film "Sita Sings the Blues"
[1], recently posted this on facebook, and I'm posting it here with
her permission:

"Reminder to CA Bay Area peeps: I am looking for speaking gigs
around/near March 9. My actually coming out to CA depends on arranging
said gigs. I must decide by the end of the month. Please help me!
Thank you."

I know this is primarily a Linux-related mailing list, but I'm
guessing there are some Free Culture [2] folks here as well.

She has also worked with Karl Fogel (author of the copylefted book
"Producing Open Source Software [3]) by doing some phenomenal
animation work for QuestionCopyright.org [4]. She also maintains a
blog [5].

I'm not as active in local Free Software/Culture stuff as I probably
should be, but if anyone reading this is working on an event around
that time-frame that could benefit from her presence... well, now you
know. Don't miss out or hesitate to contact her for your event, the
trials and tribulations she went through in the production and release
of Sita is quite a story.

And, don't forget to watch the film. It's both free and Free, so
there's no reason not to :D


Regards,

Christopher Mason


[1] http://www.sitasingstheblues.com/
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Culture_movement
[3] http://producingoss.com/
[4] example: http://questioncopyright.org/minute_memes/all_creative_work_is_derivative
[5] http://blog.ninapaley.com/



From grantbow at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 01:00:33 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:00:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] PLOP Booting Trick
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2NhPozdqj4jeQ73Jj+V7k4W1uA8+602Nsw3HC@mail.gmail.com>

Today at SF-LUG I helped boot a computer from a USB stick by using a program
called PLOP. http://www.plop.at I found it from the
http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Compatibility page of the
IsoLinux project. Last week I had some machines at the Mission Beacon
http://missionbeacon.org/ after school program in San Francisco that I
couldn't boot directly from USB sticks. This little program did the trick
then and now. Specifically, after downloading, unzipping and copying the
plpbt.bin file to /boot/ one can add the following to the grub2 menu:

menuentry "plpbt" {
    set root='(hd0,0)'
linux16 /boot/plpbt.bin
}

Another option listed on the IsoLinux pages I haven't yet tried is the Smart
Boot Manager. http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/

Regards,

Grant
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From bliss at sfo.com  Tue Nov 16 08:17:53 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:17:53 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Monday evening 15 November
Message-ID: <sig.79362be6fb.4CE2AEB1.40905@sfo.com>

     I got here first about 5:45 then Jim Stockford,
     Christian, Grant, followed by Mikki
and Bill Hill, then Eric. by 1852.

     Christian is looking for more community
activity.  Benefit scheduled for 15 December.
     He had to leave early.

Mikki has a problem with her netbook as she
wants to boot an external CD/DVD reader
and it is not easy to reset the BIOS.  As
a matter of fact it is impossible to reset that
BIOS it appears.
     Grant solved this problem with a small
program and a script as he writes about in
his post.

Bill wants to play commercial DVDs on his
external drive reader.  He worked on it for
nearly an hour but unfortunately he did
not get to test whether or not his solutions
from the
<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats >

     actually worked for him as he had no commercial movie
DVD to test it with..  I had dug this up earlier for someone
else and found it for Bill.

     Meeting broke up about 2000 and with a ride from
Jim I was home by 2030, Jim took Eric and Grant to
their destinations or connection points after that.

     Altogether this was the best meeting in months.
     Wish you could have made it
     Next meetings at Cafe Enchante will be on Dec 5th
and 20th.

     later
     bliss





From jim at systemateka.com  Tue Nov 16 09:15:16 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:15:16 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Monday evening 15 November
In-Reply-To: <sig.79362be6fb.4CE2AEB1.40905@sfo.com>
References: <sig.79362be6fb.4CE2AEB1.40905@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <1289927716.1991.208.camel@jim-laptop>


   What a terrific summary! Let's hope grant will 
post his solution to the list: basically there's 
a little program that one adds to the Grub menu 
that facilitates booting from a medium that BIOS 
won't boot from. 
   Christian's December 15 event is a fund-raiser 
for the Partimus effort to get Linux into more 
schools. I hope he posts details. 
   Thanks, Bobbie! 



On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 08:17 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> I got here first about 5:45 then Jim Stockford,
>      Christian, Grant, followed by Mikki
> and Bill Hill, then Eric. by 1852.
> 
>      Christian is looking for more community
> activity.  Benefit scheduled for 15 December.
>      He had to leave early.
> 
> Mikki has a problem with her netbook as she
> wants to boot an external CD/DVD reader
> and it is not easy to reset the BIOS.  As
> a matter of fact it is impossible to reset that
> BIOS it appears.
>      Grant solved this problem with a small
> program and a script as he writes about in
> his post.
> 
> Bill wants to play commercial DVDs on his
> external drive reader.  He worked on it for
> nearly an hour but unfortunately he did
> not get to test whether or not his solutions
> from the
> <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats >
> 
>      actually worked for him as he had no commercial movie
> DVD to test it with..  I had dug this up earlier for someone
> else and found it for Bill.
> 
>      Meeting broke up about 2000 and with a ride from
> Jim I was home by 2030, Jim took Eric and Grant to
> their destinations or connection points after that.
> 
>      Altogether this was the best meeting in months.
>      Wish you could have made it
>      Next meetings at Cafe Enchante will be on Dec 5th
> and 20th.
> 
>      later
>      bliss
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/




From eric at ericwalstad.com  Tue Nov 16 09:32:33 2010
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:32:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Monday evening 15 November
In-Reply-To: <1289927716.1991.208.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <sig.79362be6fb.4CE2AEB1.40905@sfo.com>
	<1289927716.1991.208.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikEL9sP_FushWiH_BLy3zykGgpODxp5vmx718KF@mail.gmail.com>

It sounds like the meeting was a good time.  I started this year with
the intention of making it to more [P|L]UG meetings but family and
work have taken priority.  Anyhow, I appreciate hearing about the
meetings and learning second-hand.  Thanks for taking the time to
write up the summary.

Eric.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:15 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>
> ? What a terrific summary! Let's hope grant will
> post his solution to the list: basically there's
> a little program that one adds to the Grub menu
> that facilitates booting from a medium that BIOS
> won't boot from.
> ? Christian's December 15 event is a fund-raiser
> for the Partimus effort to get Linux into more
> schools. I hope he posts details.
> ? Thanks, Bobbie!
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 08:17 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> I got here first about 5:45 then Jim Stockford,
>> ? ? ?Christian, Grant, followed by Mikki
>> and Bill Hill, then Eric. by 1852.
>>
>> ? ? ?Christian is looking for more community
>> activity. ?Benefit scheduled for 15 December.
>> ? ? ?He had to leave early.
>>
>> Mikki has a problem with her netbook as she
>> wants to boot an external CD/DVD reader
>> and it is not easy to reset the BIOS. ?As
>> a matter of fact it is impossible to reset that
>> BIOS it appears.
>> ? ? ?Grant solved this problem with a small
>> program and a script as he writes about in
>> his post.
>>
>> Bill wants to play commercial DVDs on his
>> external drive reader. ?He worked on it for
>> nearly an hour but unfortunately he did
>> not get to test whether or not his solutions
>> from the
>> <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats >
>>
>> ? ? ?actually worked for him as he had no commercial movie
>> DVD to test it with.. ?I had dug this up earlier for someone
>> else and found it for Bill.
>>
>> ? ? ?Meeting broke up about 2000 and with a ride from
>> Jim I was home by 2030, Jim took Eric and Grant to
>> their destinations or connection points after that.
>>
>> ? ? ?Altogether this was the best meeting in months.
>> ? ? ?Wish you could have made it
>> ? ? ?Next meetings at Cafe Enchante will be on Dec 5th
>> and 20th.
>>
>> ? ? ?later
>> ? ? ?bliss
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 10:30:52 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:30:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Monday evening 15 November
In-Reply-To: <1289927716.1991.208.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <sig.79362be6fb.4CE2AEB1.40905@sfo.com>
	<1289927716.1991.208.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBq0ZipUekBB-xD_Y_M4SmBWXsjpKz_uy_DnML@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

Bobbie, thanks for mentioning the Partimus.org fundraiser !

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:15 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:

>
>   Christian's December 15 event is a fund-raiser
> for the Partimus effort to get Linux into more
> schools. I hope he posts details.
>

Thanks for asking, Jim.  I did post this summary on 11/5/10:

http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2010q4/008184.html

A number of volunteers have been working very hard for free for 6.5 years
now in various public schools around the Bay Area to place GNU-Linux
machines in public schools.  We have established a good foundation, and we
now want to build on that foundation.  The teachers appreciate Linux, are
not afraid of it, and use it heavily for a wide variety of functions,
including some mission-critical functions such as reporting grades and so
forth, at least in some schools.  In some of the schools, Linux is the only
platform to which the kids have access for reaching the Internet.

All of this is a marvelous accomplishment, and we want to extend that
achievement. But to do so, we are going to need to bring in funds.  We have
been running entirely on volunteer fumes.  If we are going to expand, we
will need to establish a financial foundation to build on the foundation of
goodwill we have achieved and technical prowess that we have demonstrated.


Toward that end, we are holding an initial fundraiser to build a fundraising
committee on December 15, 2010, at 5 pm at 1601 Turk Street, at the Creative
Arts Charter School, in the Board Room.  The purpose of this meeting is to
create a group of dedicated volunteers who will focus on fundraising for our
Linux-schools efforts.  We will be providing modest refreshments, and we
will be asking for a suggested donation of $25.00 at the time of the
12/15/10 meeting to kick off our fundraising drive.

Free open source software has created a lot of jobs and wealth, and now is a
great time for us to expand our efforts to bring the considerable benefits
of free software to those who really need it most, namely, public schools
whose budgets have been mercilessly slashed for more than a decade.
 Supporting education fits very well with the FOSS culture of expanding
knowledge, transparency, and democracy.  Attending this fundraiser would be
a great way for the members of this list to make a commitment to supporting
our proven and very successful efforts to get FOSS ideals into the broader
society.

We will not be asking for too much of your time.  We will only be asking you
to share your contacts will us, and help us do outreach to get your friends
and neighbors to make small but meaningful financial contributions to our
efforts.

One of the specific goals of the 12/15/10 fundraiser will be to prepare for
a larger fundraiser to be held in the spring at the Creative Arts Charter
School.  That fundraiser will be a large installfest and FOSS festival.  We
are planning to have booths for Bay Area FOSS-related groups, such as local
LUGs and local FOSS-related businesses, both large and small.  We will have
barbeques and games for kids.  It will be a fun, family-oriented event that
will have the dual purpose of raising money and soliciting hardware
donations, which will be triaged on the spot and we will install GNU-Linux
on machines that are brought in, so that we can turn those machine right
around and install them in the 6 Bay Area Schools where we have a FOSS
presence.

Also for the 12/15/10 event, we are asking people to bring working laptops,
printers, monitors, keyboards, and optical mice towers to donate.  Our
minimum spec for donation is 512 MB of RAM and at least 1.8 Ghz chips or the
AMD equivalent.
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 17:05:02 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:05:02 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Truck for schools
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxT_2EjLU70_0LW31xHncTLoNN6vPRtt6pftzM@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We are going to be moving more equipment again this weekend, and if anyone
has a truck that they could supply from 10:00 to about 1:00 pm or so, that
would be great!  We will be going to the Oakland Museum of California at
1000 Oak Street in Oakland at 10:00 a.m. on Saturday, 11/20/10, and picking
up some monitors and computers, and returning to San Francisco by about
10:45 or 11:00 or so, where we will drop off the equipment at the Creative
Arts Charter School at 1601 Turk Street.  If you have a vehicle and can
volunteer, I would be very grateful!
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 13:04:37 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:04:37 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Truck for schools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikxT_2EjLU70_0LW31xHncTLoNN6vPRtt6pftzM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikxT_2EjLU70_0LW31xHncTLoNN6vPRtt6pftzM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTino46nfLYS36LCo_T8c5Huqkt_tH516dxU=Eh+b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are going to be moving more equipment again this weekend,
>

Many thanks to Jim Stockford, for showing up at 10:00 a.m. at the Oakland
Museum of California to pick up machines to install Linux on for public
schools!  We were able to get several monitors, some of which we gave to our
primary equipment donor, ACCRC.org, which monetizes the monitors.  We
probably gave about $100.00 worth of monitors today to ACCRC.org, which
means that we will have just that much in value coming back to our schools
in terms of equipment.

Thanks, Jim, for your time and truck today!
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From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 21 19:09:13 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:09:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] resolver problem in Fedora
Message-ID: <355838.34945.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

DNS Quandry

I am experiencing a most perplexing and seemingly inconsistent problem with url to IP address resolution that might interest (some) list member(s).
I "administer" two home networks.
One is in DockTown in Redwood City where DNS services are provided by unbound running on a SheevaPlug and here everything works as you'd expect it should. (I should acknowledge here that I was able to accomplish this only because of advice provide on this list by Rick Moen.)
The other is in Bolinas where a consumer grade router (Netopia) is providing the service. (I hope in the not too distant future to get a plug going here as well.)
Users include (amongst others) an Ubuntu and two Fedora laptops. All is well in Redwood City. In Bolinas however, only the Ubuntu machine works properly. Both Fedora laptops are unable to resolve.
But it's even more mysterious because these same fedora machines CAN ping and they can dig while in Bolinas, but neither ssh nor firefox can resolve.
How can this be????
As a ps, I'll add the code snippets to show what I mean about dig working but ssh not. (the Netopia router is at IP address 10.0.0.2; alex at zar is an Ubuntu laptop, mike at ee is a fedora laptop, another fedora laptop behaves the same way; a MacBookPro laptop and a M$Windows laptop have no problems)
I have to assume this is somehow a bug in the Fedora distro but I can't understand how ping and dig can resolve, without other programs being able to do so.
cheers,
alex
p.s.

# mike at ee is on a Fedora 14 laptop:

[mike at ee ~]$ dig kleico.net @10.0.0.2 +short
76.191.206.83

[mike at ee ~]$ ssh alex at kleico.net
ssh: Could not resolve hostname kleico.net: Name or service not known
[mike at ee ~]$ 

##########################################################################

# alex at zar is on an Ubuntu 10.10 laptop:

alex at zar:~$ dig kleico.net @10.0.0.2 +short
76.191.206.83

alex at zar:~$ ssh alex at kleico.net
Linux plug 2.6.32-trunk-kirkwood #1 Mon Jan 11 10:57:12 UTC 2010 armv5tel

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
You have new mail.
Last login: Sat Nov 20 12:50:33 2010 from 76-191-205-213.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net
alex at plug:~$




a_kleider at yahoo.com


      



From nathan at foo-o-rama.com  Sun Nov 21 19:21:19 2010
From: nathan at foo-o-rama.com (Nathan Hoover)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:21:19 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] resolver problem in Fedora
In-Reply-To: <355838.34945.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <355838.34945.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdUq4P-tbEKyb4=kEz1f9ceenNyukPSVb2+sao@mail.gmail.com>

The difference between your ssh and dig is that with the dig, you're telling
it where to go to resolve the name. Is the /etc/resolv.conf correct on the
Fedora boxes?

N

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Alex Kleider <a_kleider at yahoo.com> wrote:

> DNS Quandry
>
> I am experiencing a most perplexing and seemingly inconsistent problem with
> url to IP address resolution that might interest (some) list member(s).
> I "administer" two home networks.
> One is in DockTown in Redwood City where DNS services are provided by
> unbound running on a SheevaPlug and here everything works as you'd expect it
> should. (I should acknowledge here that I was able to accomplish this only
> because of advice provide on this list by Rick Moen.)
> The other is in Bolinas where a consumer grade router (Netopia) is
> providing the service. (I hope in the not too distant future to get a plug
> going here as well.)
> Users include (amongst others) an Ubuntu and two Fedora laptops. All is
> well in Redwood City. In Bolinas however, only the Ubuntu machine works
> properly. Both Fedora laptops are unable to resolve.
> But it's even more mysterious because these same fedora machines CAN ping
> and they can dig while in Bolinas, but neither ssh nor firefox can resolve.
> How can this be????
> As a ps, I'll add the code snippets to show what I mean about dig working
> but ssh not. (the Netopia router is at IP address 10.0.0.2; alex at zar is an
> Ubuntu laptop, mike at ee is a fedora laptop, another fedora laptop behaves
> the same way; a MacBookPro laptop and a M$Windows laptop have no problems)
> I have to assume this is somehow a bug in the Fedora distro but I can't
> understand how ping and dig can resolve, without other programs being able
> to do so.
> cheers,
> alex
> p.s.
>
> # mike at ee is on a Fedora 14 laptop:
>
> [mike at ee ~]$ dig kleico.net @10.0.0.2 +short
> 76.191.206.83
>
> [mike at ee ~]$ ssh alex at kleico.net
> ssh: Could not resolve hostname kleico.net: Name or service not known
> [mike at ee ~]$
>
> ##########################################################################
>
> # alex at zar is on an Ubuntu 10.10 laptop:
>
> alex at zar:~$ dig kleico.net @10.0.0.2 +short
> 76.191.206.83
>
> alex at zar:~$ ssh alex at kleico.net
> Linux plug 2.6.32-trunk-kirkwood #1 Mon Jan 11 10:57:12 UTC 2010 armv5tel
>
> The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
> the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
> individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
>
> Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
> permitted by applicable law.
> You have new mail.
> Last login: Sat Nov 20 12:50:33 2010 from
> 76-191-205-213.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net
> alex at plug:~$
>
>
>
>
> a_kleider at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 22 07:10:46 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:10:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] resolver problem in Fedora
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdUq4P-tbEKyb4=kEz1f9ceenNyukPSVb2+sao@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <402914.61124.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good point. I should have mentioned it: /etc/resolv.conf are the same (# Generated by NetworkManager) on both the Ubuntu (working) and the Fedora (not working) machines.

a_kleider at yahoo.com

--- On Sun, 11/21/10, Nathan Hoover <nathan at foo-o-rama.com> wrote:

From: Nathan Hoover <nathan at foo-o-rama.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] resolver problem in Fedora
To: alex at kleico.net
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:21 PM

The difference between your ssh and dig is that with the dig, you're telling it where to go to resolve the name. Is the /etc/resolv.conf correct on the Fedora boxes?
N


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Alex Kleider <a_kleider at yahoo.com> wrote:

DNS Quandry



I am experiencing a most perplexing and seemingly inconsistent problem with url to IP address resolution that might interest (some) list member(s).

I "administer" two home networks.

One is in DockTown in Redwood City where DNS services are provided by unbound running on a SheevaPlug and here everything works as you'd expect it should. (I should acknowledge here that I was able to accomplish this only because of advice provide on this list by Rick Moen.)


The other is in Bolinas where a consumer grade router (Netopia) is providing the service. (I hope in the not too distant future to get a plug going here as well.)

Users include (amongst others) an Ubuntu and two Fedora laptops. All is well in Redwood City. In Bolinas however, only the Ubuntu machine works properly. Both Fedora laptops are unable to resolve.

But it's even more mysterious because these same fedora machines CAN ping and they can dig while in Bolinas, but neither ssh nor firefox can resolve.

How can this be????

As a ps, I'll add the code snippets to show what I mean about dig working but ssh not. (the Netopia router is at IP address 10.0.0.2; alex at zar is an Ubuntu laptop, mike at ee is a fedora laptop, another fedora laptop behaves the same way; a MacBookPro laptop and a M$Windows laptop have no problems)


I have to assume this is somehow a bug in the Fedora distro but I can't understand how ping and dig can resolve, without other programs being able to do so.

cheers,

alex

p.s.



# mike at ee is on a Fedora 14 laptop:



[mike at ee ~]$ dig kleico.net @10.0.0.2 +short

76.191.206.83



[mike at ee ~]$ ssh alex at kleico.net

ssh: Could not resolve hostname kleico.net: Name or service not known

[mike at ee ~]$



##########################################################################



# alex at zar is on an Ubuntu 10.10 laptop:



alex at zar:~$ dig kleico.net @10.0.0.2 +short

76.191.206.83



alex at zar:~$ ssh alex at kleico.net

Linux plug 2.6.32-trunk-kirkwood #1 Mon Jan 11 10:57:12 UTC 2010 armv5tel



The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;

the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the

individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.



Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent

permitted by applicable law.

You have new mail.

Last login: Sat Nov 20 12:50:33 2010 from 76-191-205-213.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net

alex at plug:~$









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From demaagd at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 07:33:59 2010
From: demaagd at gmail.com (Dave DeMaagd)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:33:59 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] resolver problem in Fedora
In-Reply-To: <402914.61124.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimdUq4P-tbEKyb4=kEz1f9ceenNyukPSVb2+sao@mail.gmail.com>
	<402914.61124.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20101122153359.GA30333@spinynorm.org>

Kind of a long shot (since most people don't mess with it) is
/etc/nsswitch.conf different? 

(a_kleider at yahoo.com - Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 07:10:46AM -0800)
>    Good point. I should have mentioned it: /etc/resolv.conf are the same (# Generated by NetworkManager) on both the Ubuntu (working) and the Fedora (not
>    working) machines.
> 
>    a_kleider at yahoo.com
> 
>    --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Nathan Hoover <nathan at foo-o-rama.com> wrote:
> 
>      From: Nathan Hoover <nathan at foo-o-rama.com>
>      Subject: Re: [sf-lug] resolver problem in Fedora
>      To: alex at kleico.net
>      Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>      Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:21 PM
> 
>      The difference between your ssh and dig is that with the dig, you're telling it where to go to resolve the name. Is the /etc/resolv.conf correct on the
>      Fedora boxes?
>      N
> 
>      On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Alex Kleider <[1]a_kleider at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>        DNS Quandry
> 
>        I am experiencing a most perplexing and seemingly inconsistent problem with url to IP address resolution that might interest (some) list member(s).
>        I "administer" two home networks.
>        One is in DockTown in Redwood City where DNS services are provided by unbound running on a SheevaPlug and here everything works as you'd expect it
>        should. (I should acknowledge here that I was able to accomplish this only because of advice provide on this list by Rick Moen.)
>        The other is in Bolinas where a consumer grade router (Netopia) is providing the service. (I hope in the not too distant future to get a plug going
>        here as well.)
>        Users include (amongst others) an Ubuntu and two Fedora laptops. All is well in Redwood City. In Bolinas however, only the Ubuntu machine works
>        properly. Both Fedora laptops are unable to resolve.
>        But it's even more mysterious because these same fedora machines CAN ping and they can dig while in Bolinas, but neither ssh nor firefox can resolve.
>        How can this be????
>        As a ps, I'll add the code snippets to show what I mean about dig working but ssh not. (the Netopia router is at IP address 10.0.0.2; alex at zar is an
>        Ubuntu laptop, mike at ee is a fedora laptop, another fedora laptop behaves the same way; a MacBookPro laptop and a M$Windows laptop have no problems)
>        I have to assume this is somehow a bug in the Fedora distro but I can't understand how ping and dig can resolve, without other programs being able to
>        do so.
>        cheers,
>        alex
>        p.s.
> 
>        # mike at ee is on a Fedora 14 laptop:
> 
>        [mike at ee ~]$ dig [2]kleico.net @[3]10.0.0.2 +short
>        76.191.206.83
> 
>        [mike at ee ~]$ ssh [4]alex at kleico.net
>        ssh: Could not resolve hostname [5]kleico.net: Name or service not known
>        [mike at ee ~]$
> 
>        ##########################################################################
> 
>        # alex at zar is on an Ubuntu 10.10 laptop:
> 
>        alex at zar:~$ dig [6]kleico.net @[7]10.0.0.2 +short
>        76.191.206.83
> 
>        alex at zar:~$ ssh [8]alex at kleico.net
>        Linux plug 2.6.32-trunk-kirkwood #1 Mon Jan 11 10:57:12 UTC 2010 armv5tel
> 
>        The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
>        the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
>        individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
> 
>        Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
>        permitted by applicable law.
>        You have new mail.
>        Last login: Sat Nov 20 12:50:33 2010 from [9]76-191-205-213.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net
>        alex at plug:~$
> 
>        [10]a_kleider at yahoo.com
> 
>        _______________________________________________
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>    5. http://kleico.net/
>    6. http://kleico.net/
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From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 23 17:26:44 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:26:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] resolver problem in Fedora
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdUq4P-tbEKyb4=kEz1f9ceenNyukPSVb2+sao@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <562627.45910.qm@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

resolv.conf on all machines (created by NetworkManager) points to 10.0.0.2 which is the Netopia router in Bolinas.
There are some differences in the content of /etc/nsswitch.conf but what they mean, I don't know. Here they are for what it's worth:
nsswitch.conf as found on Fedora:
# /etc/nsswitch.conf
passwd:???? files
shadow:???? files
group:????? files
hosts:????? files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
bootparams: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files
ethers:???? files
netmasks:?? files
networks:?? files
protocols:? files
rpc:??????? files
services:?? files
netgroup:?? nisplus
publickey:? nisplus
automount:? files nisplus
aliases:??? files nisplus

*********************************************************
nsswitch.conf as found on Ubuntu:
passwd:???????? compat
group:????????? compat
shadow:???????? compat
hosts:????????? files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
networks:?????? files
protocols:????? db files
services:?????? db files
ethers:???????? db files
rpc:??????????? db files
netgroup:?????? nis
~???????? 

a_kleider at yahoo.com

--- On Sun, 11/21/10, Nathan Hoover <nathan at foo-o-rama.com> wrote:

From: Nathan Hoover <nathan at foo-o-rama.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] resolver problem in Fedora
To: alex at kleico.net
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 7:21 PM

The difference between your ssh and dig is that with the dig, you're telling it where to go to resolve the name. Is the /etc/resolv.conf correct on the Fedora boxes?
N


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Alex Kleider <a_kleider at yahoo.com> wrote:

DNS Quandry



I am experiencing a most perplexing and seemingly inconsistent problem with url to IP address resolution that might interest (some) list member(s).

I "administer" two home networks.

One is in DockTown in Redwood City where DNS services are provided by unbound running on a SheevaPlug and here everything works as you'd expect it should. (I should acknowledge here that I was able to accomplish this only because of advice provide on this list by Rick Moen.)


The other is in Bolinas where a consumer grade router (Netopia) is providing the service. (I hope in the not too distant future to get a plug going here as well.)

Users include (amongst others) an Ubuntu and two Fedora laptops. All is well in Redwood City. In Bolinas however, only the Ubuntu machine works properly. Both Fedora laptops are unable to resolve.

But it's even more mysterious because these same fedora machines CAN ping and they can dig while in Bolinas, but neither ssh nor firefox can resolve.

How can this be????

As a ps, I'll add the code snippets to show what I mean about dig working but ssh not. (the Netopia router is at IP address 10.0.0.2; alex at zar is an Ubuntu laptop, mike at ee is a fedora laptop, another fedora laptop behaves the same way; a MacBookPro laptop and a M$Windows laptop have no problems)


I have to assume this is somehow a bug in the Fedora distro but I can't understand how ping and dig can resolve, without other programs being able to do so.

cheers,

alex

p.s.



# mike at ee is on a Fedora 14 laptop:



[mike at ee ~]$ dig kleico.net @10.0.0.2 +short

76.191.206.83



[mike at ee ~]$ ssh alex at kleico.net

ssh: Could not resolve hostname kleico.net: Name or service not known

[mike at ee ~]$



##########################################################################



# alex at zar is on an Ubuntu 10.10 laptop:



alex at zar:~$ dig kleico.net @10.0.0.2 +short

76.191.206.83



alex at zar:~$ ssh alex at kleico.net

Linux plug 2.6.32-trunk-kirkwood #1 Mon Jan 11 10:57:12 UTC 2010 armv5tel



The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;

the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the

individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.



Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent

permitted by applicable law.

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From bill at wards.net  Wed Dec  1 12:00:05 2010
From: bill at wards.net (bill at wards.net)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:00:05 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] NEXT WEEK: PenLUG meeting 12/08/2010
Message-ID: <E1PNsqT-00088O-Be@mail.westernweb.com>

PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS:

   +-------------------------------------+
   |Date:    |Wednesday, December 8, 2010|
   |---------+---------------------------|
   |Time:    |6:00 - 8:00 PM             |
   |---------+---------------------------|
   |         |Bayshore Technology Park   |
   |Location:|1300 Island Drive          |
   |         |Redwood City, CA 94065     |
   |         |Suite 106 - Training Room  |
   |---------+---------------------------|
   |RSVP:    |Facebook: (coming soon)    |
   |         |or mail rsvp at penlug.org    |
   +-------------------------------------+

   Note we are now meeting on Wednesdays! Since March 2010, we moved to the
   fourth Wednesday of each month (except in November and December, when we
   meet on the second Wednesday to avoid holiday conflicts). The meeting is
   hosted by NewlineNoosh. There is no sponsor for food/drinks, so please
   bring a potluck item to share.

   Agenda:

     * 6:00 PM Potluck snacks
     * 6:15 PM Free book giveaways or other prizes
     * 6:30 PM Presentation begins
     * 8:00 PM Meeting ends

  Fedora 14

   Larry will give us a description of the latest version of Fedora.

  Larry Cafiero

   Larry Cafiero is the regional ambassador for the U.S. West Coast states
   for the Fedora Project. A newspaper editor by profession, he also is a
   partner in Redwood Digital Research in Felton, California, and is one of
   the founding organizers of the Lindependence Project.

RSVP

  Although it is not required, we like to have an idea of how many
  people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you
  are planning to attend.

GETTING THERE

  For information on getting to the meeting, please see:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Island+Drive,+Redwood+City,+CA
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/DrivingDirectionsQualys
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/TransitDirectionsQualys

  Traffic on 101 can be pretty bad in the evening, so we encourage you
  to check traffic conditions before driving by dialing 5-1-1 on your
  phone or visiting www.511.org, and if possible to take public transit
  (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting.

MORE INFORMATION

  See www.penlug.org for more information.


This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists:
	members at penlug.org
	announce at penlug.org
	sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
	balug-talk at lists.balug.org
	svlug at lists.svlug.org
	svevents at yahoogroups.com
	vox at lists.lugod.org

  Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes.



From bliss at sfo.com  Wed Dec  1 12:47:49 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:47:49 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-Lug meeting this Sunday.
Message-ID: <sig.295141415f.4CF6B475.6090402@sfo.com>

     Well you San Francisco luggers,
         The next meeting is happening on Sunday December 5, 2010
from 11 AM to 1 PM nominally at Cafe Enchante, 26th Avenue and Geary
in San Francisco.

     Jim Stockford will be there as will I.
     Jim might have a surprise and I will
bring along the latest Linux Pro magazine
(the included DVD is Fedora 14) and the
latest Linux Journal.

     I hope you will all feel welcome to
attend no matter your degree of expertise.

     later
     Bobbie Sellers



From lyz at princessleia.com  Fri Dec  3 11:41:50 2010
From: lyz at princessleia.com (Elizabeth Krumbach)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:41:50 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Wednesday, December 8th: San Francisco Ubuntu Hour
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=yUKDo3d5v9hFqBD_qSLaKvNXBw+_PkZ9N+_u1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Just a reminder that I'll be hosting an Ubuntu Hour this upcoming
Wednesday (on the 2nd Wednesday of the month), December 8th at The
Roastery in San Francisco.

Time: 6-7PM
Location: The Roastery, 199 New Montgomery Street, San Francisco

They have pastries, wifi and standard coffee shop drinks. The coffee
shop isn't very big, so you shouldn't have trouble finding me - I'll
be wearing an Ubuntu t-shirt and have a pink netbook with Ubuntu
stickers on it.

Not strictly required since it's pretty informal, but if you feel like
signing up I also created a LoCo Directory entry for it:

http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/572/detail/

So drop by and say hello, have a chat about Ubuntu, bring along your
laptop that you're having that weird problem with so we can take a
look or just have a warm drink with other Ubuntu users.

-- 
Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2
http://www.princessleia.com



From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  5 17:33:32 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:33:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] is there an "rsync" equivalent to "cp -l"
Message-ID: <759674.64180.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The version of the copy (cp) command that comes with the Mac OSX does NOT have the -l option but the mac does come with the rsync command. 

Does anyone know if rsync can do what cp -l does? 

rsync -l I think refers to something quite different; at least that's the way I interpret the respective man pages.

any help appreciated.
alex


      



From sylvia at dir.bg  Mon Dec  6 03:49:33 2010
From: sylvia at dir.bg (sylvia at dir.bg)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:49:33 +0200
Subject: [sf-lug] is there an "rsync" equivalent to "cp -l"
In-Reply-To: <759674.64180.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <759674.64180.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <web-183993877@srv.dir.bg>

Hi Alex,

Why don't you try "ln" command? It acts the same way as "cp -l".

Regards,
--Sylvia

On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:33:32 -0800 (PST)
  Alex Kleider <a_kleider at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The version of the copy (cp) command that comes with the Mac OSX 
>does NOT have the -l option but the mac does come with the rsync 
>command. 
> 
> Does anyone know if rsync can do what cp -l does? 
> 
> rsync -l I think refers to something quite different; at least 
>that's the way I interpret the respective man pages.
> 
> any help appreciated.
> alex
> 
> 
>      
> 
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From nbs at sonic.net  Mon Dec  6 15:59:13 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:59:13 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	December 20th: "3D Display/Interaction/Capture and Off-Label Uses
	of Commodity Hardware"
Message-ID: <201012062359.oB6NxDoJ031919@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding its next meeting on:

  Monday
  December 20, 2010
  7:00pm - 9:00pm


The meeting will be held at:

  Explorit Nature Center
  3141 5th Street
  Davis, California 95616


Presentation:

  "3D Display, 3D Interaction, 3D Capture, and Off-Label Uses of Commodity
  Hardware (or: How to Become an Internet Celebrity in Three Easy Steps)"

  Oliver Kreylos, Project Scientist, Department of Geology, UC Davis
  (maintainer of the "Kinect 3D Video Capture Project", "Vrui VR Toolkit",
  "Wii Controller Tracking Package", and other projects)

    One unintended consequence of intense competition in the entertainment
    and gaming hardware markets is that it puts previously unavailable
    (or unaffordable) technology such as stereoscopic displays, 3D input
    devices like Wii or PlayStation Move controllers, or 3D cameras like
    Xbox Kinect into the hands of independent innovators, "hackers,"
    who use them for purposes beyond the narrow range of what their
    makers intended -- or even imagined.

    The combination of these three classes of devices, which --
    by coincidence? -- all reached market at the same time, enables
    fundamentally different ways of interacting with computers, ways
    which had previously been limited to well-funded research labs and
    well-researched science-fiction movies (yes, both of those things
    do exist).

    In this talk, Oliver will show examples of such natural user interfaces
    employed in his facility, the UC Davis W.M. Keck Center for Active
    Visualization in the Earth Sciences (KeckCAVES, www.keckcaves.org),
    explore how they work -- and why they work -- and how the combination
    of commodity entertainment hardware and free, GNU/Linux-based software
    can recreate them in an everyday, albeit still somewhat upscale,
    living room.


For more details on this meeting, visit[*]:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/upcoming/#2010.12.06


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit[*]:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/on.php


About LUGOD:

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


[*] After our next event, Tuesday December 7th's LUGOD Social Gathering,
    information can be found at the typical URLs:

    http://www.lugod.org/meeting/
    http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/

-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 14:21:14 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:21:14 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux promotion on TV
Message-ID: <AANLkTikEdg9JnTwFSR3THccUOdAOMy4e-Y3j7Qx4NXYr@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just spoke with a program manager for a TV show called ABC 7 Live.  They
are interested in having supporters of Linux in schools (and particularly
Partimus.org) attend a show. The show airs daily from 3 pm to 4 pm.  I need
a list of 25 people who will attend.  I need the list by Thursday at 3 pm.
 You can watch shows from the archive here

7liveonline.com

They have had famous people like Mark Zuckerberg on this show.

The show features a host, Brian Copeland, with his two co-hosts, Elizabeth
Bermuda and Jennifer Jolly.  Jennifer Jolly was an anchor on another ABC
show.

During the show, the hosts will be chatting about technology and
non-profits, and they will ask questions of 10 people in a portion of the
audience called the Voice Box.  Apparently, the Voice Box is situated just
to the left of the hosts, and the hosts will talk with them occasionally.
 Apparently, there will time for numerous sound bites from the audience, say
5 to 10 seconds in length.  It is not a lot of time for speeches, but it is
time for several one-liners from the audience in response to questions from
the hosts.  Audience members are also allowed to boo and to clapp.

Again, the focus of this show will be technology and non-profits, and so the
hosts will be asking us substantive questions that call for brief, snappy,
on-point responses.  My impression is that this is a serious opportunity for
us to present Partimus to a Bay Area audience.

We need 25 people to come to the Jackson Square district of San Francisco at
Front and Pacific on Monday, December 13, 2010.  The Voice Box section of
the audience can hold 10 people, and 2 people unrelated to Partimus have
aleady signed up to be on that show.  During a break in the show, the hosts
will rotate people out of the Voice Box so that others can rotate into the
Voice Box and participate in the show.  Even if you don't want to get into
the Voice Box, this is an opportunity to support Partimus and Linux by
showing up and cheering and making noise when Partimus or Linux is
mentioned.  They want a lively show, so enthusiasm will definitely help.

If you want to show up, you need to send me an email confirming that you
will be there, and I will add your name to a list of attendees.  Your name
must be on the list for you to be admitted to the show.  Please do RSVP
early for this event!

Dear Christian & Partimus,



Welcome and thank you for participating in *7Live?s* ?Voice Box? studio
audience,



YOUR NAME MUST APPEAR ON THIS TICKET. TICKETS ARE NOT TRANSFERABLE AND ARE
CHECKED AGAINST A LIST AT THE DOOR. PEOPLE NOT ON THE LIST WILL NOT BE
ADMITTED.



*Studio Location:*

*7Live* is broadcast from the ABC studio located at 900 Front Street, San
Francisco, CA  94111. *7Live?s* audience entrance is located on the North
side of the building on Green Street between Embarcadero and Front Streets.



*Time:*

Our doors open for admittance at 2:15pm outside the ABC studio on Green
Street. *7Live* airs Monday through Friday, 3 - 4 p.m. PT. Ticket holders
should plan to be at the studio by 2:15 p.m. and should plan on leaving at
4:15 p.m. Anyone arriving after 2:30pm will not be admitted. The show begins
at 3:00pm and ends at 4pm sharp. The show will be so fun and exciting you?ll
be on the edge of your seat, but you must remain there for the duration of
the show. *7Live* tickets are FREE, so we overbook slightly and cannot
guarantee admission.



*Transportation:* Audience members are responsible for their own
transportation to and from our studio, unless special arrangements have been
made with a member of the *7Live* production staff. *7Live* does not
reimburse for travel expenses or lost wages. We recommend car pooling or
taking public transportation to the ABC studio. If you take Bart the
Embarcadero stop is a short walk to the studio. If you plan on driving there
are parking lots on either side of the ABC building, fees are $16.00 and
$18.00. There is two hour and four hour meter parking available on both
Green and Front Streets. If you park at a meter you will NOT be able to
leave to feed your meter during the show.

*What you should wear:* When you look great, the show looks great! We
reserve the right to deny entry to anyone dressed inappropriately..We
suggest wearing solid, jewel-toned colors (deep blues, reds, greens, etc.).
Please do not wear all white/off-white clothing; offensive writing or
suggestive clothing is not permitted. It can get cold in the studio, we
recommend bringing a sweater or jacket. As a courtesy to the other guests
please refrain from wearing perfume or cologne the day you attend the show.



*We are all about having a great show and a great time and we are excited
for you to be part of that, but before we get the party started we need go
over a few rules:*

?         Everyone must be at least 14yrs. old. Anyone under the age of 18
must be accompanied by an adult.

?         Video devices, backpacks or large bags are not allowed. Cameras
are permitted but may only be used after the show.

?         Eating, drinking and smoking in the studio is not permitted.

?         All audience members must remain seated for the entirety of the
show. Please be aware that there will NOT be opportunities to leave to use
the restroom, make calls or feed parking meters.

?         Please be prepared to pass through security and metal detectors to
enter the studio.

?         Anything that *7Live* security or staff has deemed dangerous,
disruptive or offensive will be confiscated.

?         The *7Live* staff reserves the right to refuse anyone entry that
they feel are displaying dangerous or disruptive behavior.

 *ALL CELL PHONES MUST BE TURNED OFF* during the show.  If your cell phone
is on, it can cause interference with the wireless microphones.



**7Live* is not responsible for any lost or stolen items.



*By accepting this ticket and admittance to 7Live?s studio audience:*
Please be advised that a taping of the show and its audience is taking
place. Your presence constitutes consent to permit KGO Television, Inc. and
its independent contractors to photograph, record, film or videotape your
likeness and/or voice and your child's, and to use your likeness and your
child's in any manner or media now known or hereafter created without
payment.

* *

*Special needs:*

You MUST notify us if a guest in a wheelchair will be attending the show. If
you, or someone in your party uses a wheelchair or requires assistance,
please phone us at: (415) 954-7733 after requesting your tickets. Any
special accommodations are subject to availability and are at the discretion
of the studio.


-- 
Christian Einfeldt,
Producer, The Digital Tipping Point
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From jim at well.com  Tue Dec  7 14:35:46 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:35:46 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux promotion on TV
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   I'm interested. Seems to me the teevee people want 
their voiceboxers to arrive at least a little bit 
before showtime, yes? and voiceboxers would be 
committed to stay until a little after 4 PM, yes? 
   at 900 front street at pacific? 
   my time seems free. let me know if i'm to join. 



On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 14:21 -0800, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I just spoke with a program manager for a TV show called ABC 7 Live.
>  They are interested in having supporters of Linux in schools (and
> particularly Partimus.org) attend a show. The show airs daily from 3
> pm to 4 pm.  I need a list of 25 people who will attend.  I need the
> list by Thursday at 3 pm.  You can watch shows from the archive here
> 
> 7liveonline.com
> 
> They have had famous people like Mark Zuckerberg on this show.
> 
> 
> The show features a host, Brian Copeland, with his two co-hosts,
> Elizabeth Bermuda and Jennifer Jolly.  Jennifer Jolly was an anchor on
> another ABC show.
> 
> 
> During the show, the hosts will be chatting about technology and
> non-profits, and they will ask questions of 10 people in a portion of
> the audience called the Voice Box.  Apparently, the Voice Box is
> situated just to the left of the hosts, and the hosts will talk with
> them occasionally.  Apparently, there will time for numerous sound
> bites from the audience, say 5 to 10 seconds in length.  It is not a
> lot of time for speeches, but it is time for several one-liners from
> the audience in response to questions from the hosts.  Audience
> members are also allowed to boo and to clapp.  
> 
> 
> Again, the focus of this show will be technology and non-profits, and
> so the hosts will be asking us substantive questions that call for
> brief, snappy, on-point responses.  My impression is that this is a
> serious opportunity for us to present Partimus to a Bay Area
> audience.  
> 
> 
> We need 25 people to come to the Jackson Square district of San
> Francisco at Front and Pacific on Monday, December 13, 2010.  The
> Voice Box section of the audience can hold 10 people, and 2 people
> unrelated to Partimus have aleady signed up to be on that show.
>  During a break in the show, the hosts will rotate people out of the
> Voice Box so that others can rotate into the Voice Box and participate
> in the show.  Even if you don't want to get into the Voice Box, this
> is an opportunity to support Partimus and Linux by showing up and
> cheering and making noise when Partimus or Linux is mentioned.  They
> want a lively show, so enthusiasm will definitely help.  
> 
> 
> If you want to show up, you need to send me an email confirming that
> you will be there, and I will add your name to a list of attendees.
>  Your name must be on the list for you to be admitted to the show.
>  Please do RSVP early for this event!
> 
> 
> Dear Christian & Partimus,           
> 
>  
> 
> Welcome and thank you for participating in 7Live?s ?Voice Box? studio
> audience,
> 
>  
> 
> YOUR NAME MUST APPEAR ON THIS TICKET. TICKETS ARE NOT TRANSFERABLE AND
> ARE CHECKED AGAINST A LIST AT THE DOOR. PEOPLE NOT ON THE LIST WILL
> NOT BE ADMITTED.
> 
>  
> 
> Studio Location:
> 
> 7Live is broadcast from the ABC studio located at 900 Front Street,
> San Francisco, CA  94111. 7Live?s audience entrance is located on the
> North side of the building on Green Street between Embarcadero and
> Front Streets.
> 
>  
> 
> Time:
> 
> Our doors open for admittance at 2:15pm outside the ABC studio on
> Green Street. 7Live airs Monday through Friday, 3 - 4 p.m. PT. Ticket
> holders should plan to be at the studio by 2:15 p.m. and should plan
> on leaving at 4:15 p.m. Anyone arriving after 2:30pm will not be
> admitted. The show begins at 3:00pm and ends at 4pm sharp. The show
> will be so fun and exciting you?ll be on the edge of your seat, but
> you must remain there for the duration of the show. 7Live tickets are
> FREE, so we overbook slightly and cannot guarantee admission.
> 
>  
> 
> Transportation: Audience members are responsible for their own
> transportation to and from our studio, unless special arrangements
> have been made with a member of the 7Live production staff. 7Live does
> not reimburse for travel expenses or lost wages. We recommend car
> pooling or taking public transportation to the ABC studio. If you take
> Bart the Embarcadero stop is a short walk to the studio. If you plan
> on driving there are parking lots on either side of the ABC building,
> fees are $16.00 and $18.00. There is two hour and four hour meter
> parking available on both Green and Front Streets. If you park at a
> meter you will NOT be able to leave to feed your meter during the
> show.
> 
> What you should wear: When you look great, the show looks great! We
> reserve the right to deny entry to anyone dressed inappropriately..We
> suggest wearing solid, jewel-toned colors (deep blues, reds, greens,
> etc.). Please do not wear all white/off-white clothing; offensive
> writing or suggestive clothing is not permitted. It can get cold in
> the studio, we recommend bringing a sweater or jacket. As a courtesy
> to the other guests please refrain from wearing perfume or cologne the
> day you attend the show.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all about having a great show and a great time and we are
> excited for you to be part of that, but before we get the party
> started we need go over a few rules:
> 
> ?         Everyone must be at least 14yrs. old. Anyone under the age
> of 18 must be accompanied by an adult.
> 
> ?         Video devices, backpacks or large bags are not allowed.
> Cameras are permitted but may only be used after the show.
> 
> ?         Eating, drinking and smoking in the studio is not permitted.
> 
> ?         All audience members must remain seated for the entirety of
> the show. Please be aware that there will NOT be opportunities to
> leave to use the restroom, make calls or feed parking meters.
> 
> ?         Please be prepared to pass through security and metal
> detectors to enter the studio.
> 
> ?         Anything that 7Live security or staff has deemed dangerous,
> disruptive or offensive will be confiscated.
> 
> ?         The 7Live staff reserves the right to refuse anyone entry
> that they feel are displaying dangerous or disruptive behavior.
> 
>  ALL CELL PHONES MUST BE TURNED OFF during the show.  If your cell
> phone is on, it can cause interference with the wireless microphones.
> 
>  
> 
> *7Live is not responsible for any lost or stolen items.
> 
>  
> 
> By accepting this ticket and admittance to 7Live?s studio audience:
> Please be advised that a taping of the show and its audience is taking
> place. Your presence constitutes consent to permit KGO Television,
> Inc. and its independent contractors to photograph, record, film or
> videotape your likeness and/or voice and your child's, and to use your
> likeness and your child's in any manner or media now known or
> hereafter created without payment.
> 
>  
> 
> Special needs:
> 
> You MUST notify us if a guest in a wheelchair will be attending the
> show. If you, or someone in your party uses a wheelchair or requires
> assistance, please phone us at: (415) 954-7733 after requesting your
> tickets. Any special accommodations are subject to availability and
> are at the discretion of the studio.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Christian Einfeldt,
> Producer, The Digital Tipping Point




From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 14:50:25 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:50:25 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux promotion on TV
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hi,

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:35 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>   I'm interested. Seems to me the teevee people want
> their voiceboxers to arrive at least a little bit
> before showtime, yes?


Yes, please plan on being there by 2:00 p.m.  Please don't be late, or you
won't be admitted.  They need to get people seated and oriented as to the
rules.

People can call Christian Einfeldt at 415-351-1300 if they have last minute
questions.  Please also email me first at this email address.


> and voiceboxers would be
> committed to stay until a little after 4 PM, yes?
>

Yes.  Shortly after 4 pm.


>   at 900 front street at pacific?
>

yes.  I will send out a confirming email to everyone once I get an email
from everyone saying that they are interested.
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 10:25:36 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:25:36 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux on TV!
Message-ID: <AANLkTikd4Gy3HP22M34x+jAovgARTC8Mmj_+uym9XTwR@mail.gmail.com>

Have you ever been frustrated that mainstream TV does not give air time to
Linux?  Well now they are!  We will be talking about Linux on TV on Monday,
12/13/10.  If you would like to be on TV talking about Linux in schools and
non-profits, please email me!
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 13:14:49 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:14:49 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux on TV!
Message-ID: <AANLkTinfU_MGZHt0eznv3wwzgidXFg5=LAyKtSJwrpOh@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, this is real!  ABC 7 Live is going to be hosting a show on technology
in non-profits and schools, and we have an opportunity to interact with the
hosts and talk about Linux on mainstream TV!

The studio has given us an extension of time to commit to having people show
up to talk about Linux, but I do need names of people who can definitely
show up to be on the show next Monday, 12/13/10 from 2 to 4 pm at 900 Front
Street from 2 to 4 pm.  If you want to come, you need to have your name on a
list for tickets, so please let me know soon!

Here is more info:

http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2010-December/004701.html
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 12:14:29 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:14:29 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux on TV!
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hi,

We have filled up our allotment of seats for the ABC 7 Live show on Monday,
12/13/10.  If you want to watch the show on line, you can see it here live
from 3 to 4 pm this coming Monday.

http://7liveonline.com

And you can also see archived shows there.

Here is more info:

>
>
> http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2010-December/004701.html
>
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From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 09:14:32 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:14:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
In-Reply-To: <4D050D3B.30001@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <633662.95910.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good to hear from you, Mikki.
I'm not sure about what you meant with regard to hard drives but my experience with printers and scanners is as follows.
Printers: I've currently got two running, one on each of my two home networks. Both are laser printers and both are network printers. CUPS is good at dealing with IPP, the Internet Printing Protocol, and I had no trouble setting them up. The CUPS web interface walks the user through the configuration process and selects appropriate defaults in most if not all instances. A new release (as of probably a year or more ago, actually 'discovers' network printers and is extremely easy to use.
It's been a long time since I've hooked up a USB connected printer but as I remember, the process was not too difficult.
Scanners: BAD! I have an Epson scanner that I'd like to put into use but I've been unsuccessful. There was an article about this subject in Linux Journal recently but that didn't help. 
One final work about Laser Printers: I got one for $50 from a guy in Mountainview that takes them out of offices when they upgrade equipment so he has tons of second hand printers to sell. I might be able to find his name if you need it but Christian Einfeldt might know off the top of his head since he got the guy to donate to his school(s.)
Good luck,
ak

a_kleider at yahoo.com

--- On Sun, 12/12/10, Mikki McGee <mikkimc at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Mikki McGee <mikkimc at earthlink.net>
Subject: Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
To: "Alex Kleider" <a_kleider at yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 9:58 AM




  
  
Hi, Alex;



??? Well, I still am having troubles with printers, setups, and so
forth.? Not all has been my own fault - two laptops have died, despite
frantic first aid.?? My profit on't is,? I have four functional
hard-drives, with four different functional versions of Ubuntu on
them?? Is that a profit, then, I wonder?



??? Well, also I have had a great deal of trouble with printers, and
with scanners.? The one hard-drive I am getting ready to try to use in
the mini-laptop seems to have a functional driver for the "other
scanner" on it, and Grant showed me how to access that direct (booting
up) with the mini,? while on an USB port, and I am getting up courage
to try to get it to run in full graphic mode, before a week Monday.? It
has Ubuntu 8.04 on it, and that may work better than the eeeBuntu.? I
am not happy with the eeeBuntu.? 



??? So, I am curious about the printer you bought, the process you used
for deciding and finding it, and what system you are using on your
machine -? I copied out the greek and gibberish of the e-mail
explanations, but they make little sense to me.? If the Asus eee can
run full mode with the 8.04 version, I will change hard drives, and try
to find something in th laser-printer line.?? What I have now is too
expensive to run.? 



??? Going onto the LUG message line will just get me more gobbledegoop,
in some foreign language I can't seem to fathom.? 



Hoping to hear from you 





Bless All





Mikki? 


 



      
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Dec 13 09:55:17 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:55:17 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
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Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com):

> Scanners: BAD! I have an Epson scanner that I'd like to put into use
> but I've been unsuccessful. There was an article about this subject in
> Linux Journal recently but that didn't help. 

The key is to research the driver support in SANE, preferably in its
current stable version rather than just the development (git) version,
_before_ acquiring hardware -- and not buy bottom-end, difficult, or
eccentric (e.g., all-in-one designs, ones connecting via parallel ports,
serial ports, Firewire ports, or proprietary cards, etc.)  and therefore
poorly supported equipment.  Oddly enough, similar criteria apply to
printers and other gear, too.

http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html





From akkana at shallowsky.com  Mon Dec 13 19:12:25 2010
From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:12:25 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
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Message-ID: <20101214031225.GA1908@shallowsky.com>

> Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com):
> > Scanners: BAD! I have an Epson scanner that I'd like to put into use
> > but I've been unsuccessful. There was an article about this subject in
> > Linux Journal recently but that didn't help. 

Rick Moen writes:
> The key is to research the driver support in SANE, preferably in its
> current stable version rather than just the development (git) version,
> _before_ acquiring hardware -- and not buy bottom-end, difficult, or
> eccentric (e.g., all-in-one designs, ones connecting via parallel ports,

Even with good scanners that are well supported by SANE, it's common
for scanners to show up with the wrong permissions. Most distros
don't seem to test scanners much. Alex, have you tried running
sane-find-scanner or just xsane as root?

If it works as root but not as a normal user, you might need to make
a udev rule. I had to do that for my Epson Perfection 2400 in Hardy
(yes, I know Hardy was a long time ago, but I've been upgrading that
machine since then so I still have the old udev rule):
http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/scanning-on-hardy.html

If the udev rules attached to the bug don't have a rule for your
scanner, add one using the vendor and product IDs from your scanner.
You can get those IDs from lsusb when the scanner is plugged
in and turned on (find the line from your scanner and look for
the ID 058f:6362 part -- that's vendor:product) or by running dmesg
after you turn your scanner on.

	...Akkana



From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 00:06:34 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:06:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
In-Reply-To: <20101214031225.GA1908@shallowsky.com>
Message-ID: <314293.72228.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the tip(s,) Akkana. My scanner is an Epson (I think it's model 2450) that my wife had working very well connected to her MacPro before she upgraded to a newer model. I'm away from it currently but will try what you suggest when I get back to it at the end of the week. I don't know much about udev but will try to figure things out.
cheers,
alex
a_kleider at yahoo.com


--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Akkana Peck <akkana at shallowsky.com> wrote:

> From: Akkana Peck <akkana at shallowsky.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
> To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 7:12 PM
> > Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com):
> > > Scanners: BAD! I have an Epson scanner that I'd
> like to put into use
> > > but I've been unsuccessful. There was an article
> about this subject in
> > > Linux Journal recently but that didn't help. 
> 
> Rick Moen writes:
> > The key is to research the driver support in SANE,
> preferably in its
> > current stable version rather than just the
> development (git) version,
> > _before_ acquiring hardware -- and not buy bottom-end,
> difficult, or
> > eccentric (e.g., all-in-one designs, ones connecting
> via parallel ports,
> 
> Even with good scanners that are well supported by SANE,
> it's common
> for scanners to show up with the wrong permissions. Most
> distros
> don't seem to test scanners much. Alex, have you tried
> running
> sane-find-scanner or just xsane as root?
> 
> If it works as root but not as a normal user, you might
> need to make
> a udev rule. I had to do that for my Epson Perfection 2400
> in Hardy
> (yes, I know Hardy was a long time ago, but I've been
> upgrading that
> machine since then so I still have the old udev rule):
> http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/scanning-on-hardy.html
> 
> If the udev rules attached to the bug don't have a rule for
> your
> scanner, add one using the vendor and product IDs from your
> scanner.
> You can get those IDs from lsusb when the scanner is
> plugged
> in and turned on (find the line from your scanner and look
> for
> the ID 058f:6362 part -- that's vendor:product) or by
> running dmesg
> after you turn your scanner on.
> 
> ??? ...Akkana
> 
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Dec 14 02:03:46 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 02:03:46 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
In-Reply-To: <314293.72228.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20101214031225.GA1908@shallowsky.com>
	<314293.72228.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20101214100346.GL22558@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com):

> Thanks for the tip(s,) Akkana. My scanner is an Epson (I think it's
> model 2450) that my wife had working very well connected to her MacPro
> before she upgraded to a newer model.

http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-EPSON says:

Model: Perfection 2450
Interface: USB, IEEE-1394 
USB ID: 0x04b8 / 0x0112
Status: Complete
Comment: [none]
Backend: Epson backend (unmaintained), http://www.khk.net/sane/
Manpage: sane-epson, http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-epson.5.html


> I'm away from it currently but will try what you suggest when I get
> back to it at the end of the week. I don't know much about udev but
> will try to figure things out.

udev is the latest scheme for making the /dev tree autopopulate with
device nodes appropriate for the hardware actually present on a system.

The problem scenario Akkana was describing would only potentially be
present and at issue if you knew that, say, /dev/usb/scanner0 is
supposed to automagically pop into existence the moment you connect your
Epson Perfection 2450 and turn it on, but that device file fails to come
into existence.

In recent Linux systems using udev to populate the /dev tree, you no
longer really want to solve missing-device-file problems using the
traditional 'Well, just use mknod to create it, then' methods from
Pleistocene days, such as is described in the Linux USB Guide, here:
http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x291.html

Why not?  Simply because under the udev regime and similar things, the
/dev tree evaporates and is autorebuilt at each reboot.  So, if using
'mknod' to create the missing device files manually, you'd end up doing
it over and over again.  The long-term remedy is to create, in that
case, as Akkana said, a udev rule (recipe, basically), which then does
the manual creation job automatically each boottime.

Aren't you glad we have things like udev to make our systems 'simpler'?  ;->

About sane-find-scanner, see
http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-find-scanner.1.html, for starters.




From bliss at sfo.com  Tue Dec 14 07:28:43 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:28:43 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
In-Reply-To: <314293.72228.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <314293.72228.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <sig.8964d01bc6.4D078D2B.1020606@sfo.com>

On 12/14/2010 12:06 AM, Alex Kleider wrote:
> Thanks for the tip(s,) Akkana. My scanner is an Epson (I think it's model 2450) that my wife had working very well connected to her MacPro before she upgraded to a newer model. I'm away from it currently but will try what you suggest when I get back to it at the end of the week. I don't know much about udev but will try to figure things out.
> cheers,
> alex
> a_kleider at yahoo.com
>    
     You guys know about <AVASYS CORPORATION <http://avasys.jp/eng/>>  ?
     To get my multi-function working in the past I had to really dig 
for the
parts to get SANE working and pointed in the right direction,
     But the Avasts downloads were very handy.
     Other files will be requested quite often during the install
process and some files might have to be manually moved to
the proper directories.

     Later
     bliss
> --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Akkana Peck<akkana at shallowsky.com>  wrote:
>
>    
>> From: Akkana Peck<akkana at shallowsky.com>
>> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
>> To:sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 7:12 PM
>>      
>>> Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com):
>>>        
>>>> Scanners: BAD! I have an Epson scanner that I'd
>>>>          
>> like to put into use
>>      
>>>> but I've been unsuccessful. There was an article
>>>>          
>> about this subject in
>>      
>>>> Linux Journal recently but that didn't help.
>>>>          
>> Rick Moen writes:
>>      
>>> The key is to research the driver support in SANE,
>>>        
>> preferably in its
>>      
>>> current stable version rather than just the
>>>        
>> development (git) version,
>>      
>>> _before_ acquiring hardware -- and not buy bottom-end,
>>>        
>> difficult, or
>>      
>>> eccentric (e.g., all-in-one designs, ones connecting
>>>        
>> via parallel ports,
>>
>> Even with good scanners that are well supported by SANE,
>> it's common
>> for scanners to show up with the wrong permissions. Most
>> distros
>> don't seem to test scanners much. Alex, have you tried
>> running
>> sane-find-scanner or just xsane as root?
>>
>> If it works as root but not as a normal user, you might
>> need to make
>> a udev rule. I had to do that for my Epson Perfection 2400
>> in Hardy
>> (yes, I know Hardy was a long time ago, but I've been
>> upgrading that
>> machine since then so I still have the old udev rule):
>> http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/scanning-on-hardy.html
>>
>> If the udev rules attached to the bug don't have a rule for
>> your
>> scanner, add one using the vendor and product IDs from your
>> scanner.
>> You can get those IDs from lsusb when the scanner is
>> plugged
>> in and turned on (find the line from your scanner and look
>> for
>> the ID 058f:6362 part -- that's vendor:product) or by
>> running dmesg
>> after you turn your scanner on.
>>
>>      ...Akkana
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is athttp://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>>      
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is athttp://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>    




From akkana at shallowsky.com  Tue Dec 14 10:05:15 2010
From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:05:15 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hi;  about that printer you got for your setup?
In-Reply-To: <20101214100346.GL22558@linuxmafia.com>
References: <20101214031225.GA1908@shallowsky.com>
	<314293.72228.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20101214100346.GL22558@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <20101214180515.GA2546@shallowsky.com>

Rick Moen writes:
> In recent Linux systems using udev to populate the /dev tree, you no
> longer really want to solve missing-device-file problems using the
> traditional 'Well, just use mknod to create it, then' [ ... ]
> Why not?  Simply because under the udev regime and similar things, the
> /dev tree evaporates and is autorebuilt at each reboot.
[ ... ]
> Aren't you glad we have things like udev to make our systems 'simpler'?  ;->

Especially since mknod is well documented and udev is not.  Grr.
Fortunately, for scanners you can usually just copy an existing rule.

But there is a secret way to use the old simple mknod: create the
node in /lib/udev/devices/ rather than /dev, and udev will create it
in /dev on every boot.

It's possible they'll remove that at some point ...  but for now
it's an easy way of cheating if you know the node you want and don't
want to spend days debugging a custom udev rule.

	...Akkana



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 12:48:54 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:48:54 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Reminder: fundraiser tomorrow for Linux in schools tomorrow
Message-ID: <AANLkTimohCXtJomNXM8WDL7+tVHhY9_7UEtb5+Pk_Zvz@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

A number of volunteers for Partimus.org have been working very hard
for free for 6.5 years now in various public schools around the Bay
Area to place GNU-Linux machines in public schools.  We have
established a good foundation, and we now want to build on that
foundation.  The teachers appreciate Linux, are not afraid of it, and
use it heavily for a wide variety of functions,
including some mission-critical functions such as reporting grades and
so forth, at least in some schools.  In some of the schools, Linux is
the only platform to which the kids have access for reaching the
Internet.

All of this is a marvelous accomplishment, and we want to extend that
achievement. But to do so, we are going to need to bring in funds.  We
have been running entirely on volunteer fumes.  If we are going to
expand, we will need to establish a financial foundation to build on
the foundation of goodwill we have achieved and technical prowess that
we have demonstrated.

Toward that end, we are holding an initial fundraiser to build a
fundraising committee on December 15, 2010, at 5 pm at 1601 Turk
Street, at the Creative Arts Charter School, in the Board Room.  The
purpose of this meeting is to create a group of dedicated volunteers
who will focus on fundraising for our Linux-schools efforts.  We will
be providing modest refreshments, and we
will be asking for a suggested donation of $25.00 at the time of the
12/15/10 meeting to kick off our fundraising drive.

Free open source software has created a lot of jobs and wealth, and
now is a great time for us to expand our efforts to bring the
considerable benefits of free software to those who really need it
most, namely, public schools whose budgets have been mercilessly
slashed for more than a decade.  Supporting education fits very well
with the FOSS culture of expanding knowledge, transparency, and
democracy.  Attending this fundraiser would be a great way for the
members of this list to make a commitment to supporting our proven and
very successful efforts to get FOSS ideals into the broader society.

We will not be asking for too much of your time.  We will only be
asking you to share your contacts will us, and help us do outreach to
get your friends and neighbors to make small but meaningful financial
contributions to our efforts.

One of the specific goals of the 12/15/10 fundraiser will be to
prepare for a larger fundraiser to be held in the spring at the
Creative Arts Charter School.  That fundraiser will be a large
installfest and FOSS festival.  We are planning to have booths for Bay
Area FOSS-related groups, such as local LUGs and local FOSS-related
businesses, both large and small.  We will have
barbeques and games for kids.  It will be a fun, family-oriented event
that will have the dual purpose of raising money and soliciting
hardware donations, which will be triaged on the spot and we will
install GNU-Linux on machines that are brought in, so that we can turn
those machine right around and install them in the 6 Bay Area Schools
where we have a FOSS presence.

Also for the 12/15/10 event, we are asking people to bring working
laptops, printers, monitors, keyboards, and optical mice towers to
donate.  Our minimum spec for donation is 512 MB of RAM and at least
1.8 Ghz chips or the AMD equivalent.
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 13:25:28 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:25:28 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Reminder: fundraiser tomorrow for Linux in schools
	tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimohCXtJomNXM8WDL7+tVHhY9_7UEtb5+Pk_Zvz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimohCXtJomNXM8WDL7+tVHhY9_7UEtb5+Pk_Zvz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdiRKoyvLXUQC3bozPMOO8Binhg4_6T07H9K3L@mail.gmail.com>

Doh!  I forgot a link to the landing page for our fundraiser:

http://partimus.org/fundraising_event_2010.php

Thanks in advance for any interest that you might have in helping to get
Linux into poor public schools!

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A number of volunteers for Partimus.org have been working very hard for free for 6.5 years now in various public schools around the Bay Area to place GNU-Linux machines in public schools.  We have established a good foundation, and we now want to build on that foundation.  The teachers appreciate Linux, are not afraid of it, and use it heavily for a wide variety of functions,
> including some mission-critical functions such as reporting grades and so forth, at least in some schools.  In some of the schools, Linux is the only platform to which the kids have access for reaching the Internet.
>
> All of this is a marvelous accomplishment, and we want to extend that achievement. But to do so, we are going to need to bring in funds.  We have been running entirely on volunteer fumes.  If we are going to expand, we will need to establish a financial foundation to build on the foundation of goodwill we have achieved and technical prowess that we have demonstrated.
>
> Toward that end, we are holding an initial fundraiser to build a fundraising committee on December 15, 2010, at 5 pm at 1601 Turk Street, at the Creative Arts Charter School, in the Board Room.  The purpose of this meeting is to create a group of dedicated volunteers who will focus on fundraising for our Linux-schools efforts.  We will be providing modest refreshments, and we
> will be asking for a suggested donation of $25.00 at the time of the 12/15/10 meeting to kick off our fundraising drive.
>
> Free open source software has created a lot of jobs and wealth, and now is a great time for us to expand our efforts to bring the considerable benefits of free software to those who really need it most, namely, public schools whose budgets have been mercilessly slashed for more than a decade.  Supporting education fits very well with the FOSS culture of expanding knowledge, transparency, and democracy.  Attending this fundraiser would be a great way for the members of this list to make a commitment to supporting our proven and very successful efforts to get FOSS ideals into the broader society.
>
> We will not be asking for too much of your time.  We will only be asking you to share your contacts will us, and help us do outreach to get your friends and neighbors to make small but meaningful financial contributions to our efforts.
>
> One of the specific goals of the 12/15/10 fundraiser will be to prepare for a larger fundraiser to be held in the spring at the Creative Arts Charter School.  That fundraiser will be a large installfest and FOSS festival.  We are planning to have booths for Bay Area FOSS-related groups, such as local LUGs and local FOSS-related businesses, both large and small.  We will have
> barbeques and games for kids.  It will be a fun, family-oriented event that will have the dual purpose of raising money and soliciting hardware donations, which will be triaged on the spot and we will install GNU-Linux on machines that are brought in, so that we can turn those machine right around and install them in the 6 Bay Area Schools where we have a FOSS presence.
>
> Also for the 12/15/10 event, we are asking people to bring working laptops, printers, monitors, keyboards, and optical mice towers to donate.  Our minimum spec for donation is 512 MB of RAM and at least 1.8 Ghz chips or the AMD equivalent.
>
>
>


-- 
Christian Einfeldt,
Producer, The Digital Tipping Point
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From jim at systemateka.com  Wed Dec 15 08:02:46 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:02:46 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, December 16, 2010: Plone, Zope,
 Pyramid, Django
Message-ID: <1292428966.1942.20.camel@jim-laptop>



This meeting's talk is 
Plone, Zope, Pyramid, Django  
by Elizabeth Leddy 

   As the first object publishing framework ever, Zope has been 
through several major overhauls and developed a bad reputation 
along the way. 
   The reformulation of pylons and repoze into pyramid presents 
a great opportunity for zope to get back some street cred and 
offer sincere alternatives to front running frameworks like Django. 
   This discussion will cover the current state of zope based 
technologies including repoze/pyramid, grok, bluebream, and plone. 
It will look at the best use cases for each framework, strengths, 
weaknesses, and deal breakers. 
If there is time/interest we will look at the zodb and other core 
zope concepts that you will find in each framework.

   A python developer since the age of 18, I have been developing 
zope and plone applications for over 8 years. I am currently a 
member of the Plone Framework Team and actively develop in multiple 
Python frameworks. 
   I appreciate diversity in frameworks as well as OSS communities, 
so you'll frequently hear me talking about both. 

.........................................

Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of 
an essential Python feature, especially for those new to Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: none. 


LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------


..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, 
any first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:35 PM ................
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: none. 


..... 7:35 PM to 8:25 PM (or so) ................
The talk: Plone, Zope, Pyramid, Django 


..... 8:25 PM to 8:55 PM (or so) ................
Questions and Answers 


..... 8:55 PM to 9:30 PM (or so) ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, 
hiring, events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow 
up on the announcements and other interests.





From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 11:21:00 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:21:00 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Today! fundraiser for Linux in schools!
Message-ID: <AANLkTikZOsuo-kumWx7wUHOip7i9SbNwbknpyZgbjCrh@mail.gmail.com>

Today is our fundraiser for Partimus.org, a non-profit dedicated to
increasing the use of Linux in schools.  If you have any questions, such as
how to find the funraiser or get into the building, pls phone or text
Christian Einfeldt @ 415-351-1300

Here is a link to our fundraiser page.  Please feel free to donate if you
can't make it.  Even $5.00 helps!

http://partimus.org/fundraising_event_2010.php

Thanks in advance for any interest that you might have in helping to get
Linux into poor public schools!

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> A number of volunteers for Partimus.org have been working very hard for
free for 6.5 years now in various public schools around the Bay Area to
place GNU-Linux machines in public schools.  We have established a good
foundation, and we now want to build on that foundation.  The teachers
appreciate Linux, are not afraid of it, and use it heavily for a wide
variety of functions,
> including some mission-critical functions such as reporting grades and so
forth, at least in some schools.  In some of the schools, Linux is the only
platform to which the kids have access for reaching the Internet.
>
> All of this is a marvelous accomplishment, and we want to extend that
achievement. But to do so, we are going to need to bring in funds.  We have
been running entirely on volunteer fumes.  If we are going to expand, we
will need to establish a financial foundation to build on the foundation of
goodwill we have achieved and technical prowess that we have demonstrated.
>
> Toward that end, we are holding an initial fundraiser to build a
fundraising committee on December 15, 2010, at 5 pm at 1601 Turk Street, at
the Creative Arts Charter School, in the Board Room.  The purpose of this
meeting is to create a group of dedicated volunteers who will focus on
fundraising for our Linux-schools efforts.  We will be providing modest
refreshments, and we
> will be asking for a suggested donation of $25.00 at the time of the
12/15/10 meeting to kick off our fundraising drive.
>
> Free open source software has created a lot of jobs and wealth, and now is
a great time for us to expand our efforts to bring the considerable benefits
of free software to those who really need it most, namely, public schools
whose budgets have been mercilessly slashed for more than a decade.
Supporting education fits very well with the FOSS culture of expanding
knowledge, transparency, and democracy.  Attending this fundraiser would be
a great way for the members of this list to make a commitment to supporting
our proven and very successful efforts to get FOSS ideals into the broader
society.
>
> We will not be asking for too much of your time.  We will only be asking
you to share your contacts will us, and help us do outreach to get your
friends and neighbors to make small but meaningful financial contributions
to our efforts.
>
> One of the specific goals of the 12/15/10 fundraiser will be to prepare
for a larger fundraiser to be held in the spring at the Creative Arts
Charter School.  That fundraiser will be a large installfest and FOSS
festival.  We are planning to have booths for Bay Area FOSS-related groups,
such as local LUGs and local FOSS-related businesses, both large and small.
We will have
> barbeques and games for kids.  It will be a fun, family-oriented event
that will have the dual purpose of raising money and soliciting hardware
donations, which will be triaged on the spot and we will install GNU-Linux
on machines that are brought in, so that we can turn those machine right
around and install them in the 6 Bay Area Schools where we have a FOSS
presence.
>
> Also for the 12/15/10 event, we are asking people to bring working
laptops, printers, monitors, keyboards, and optical mice towers to donate.
Our minimum spec for donation is 512 MB of RAM and at least 1.8 Ghz chips or
the AMD equivalent.
>
>
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From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Dec 16 10:09:02 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:09:02 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Monday! Monday! Monday December 20...
Message-ID: <sig.49669f2623.4D0A55BE.4090207@sfo.com>

     SF-LUG meets again on Monday December 20th
at the Cafe Enchante 26th and Geary nominally from
6-8 PM.

     Come in out of the rain and have a warm cuppa of
whatever lights your fire.

     I will have the latest copies I can get of the Linux
Journal and the Linux Pro magazine.

     last meeting on 12/05/2010
        I got to Cafe Enchante about 1045.  John Strazzino
and his wife Betsy showed up, then Jim Stockford and Jeff
finally about noon Eric breezed in.  Discussion was not
confined totally to Linux, et al.
      Jim gave myself, Jeff and Eric rides home or to connections.

     later
     Bobbie Sellers



From nbs at sonic.net  Thu Dec 16 18:32:39 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:32:39 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Monday! Monday! Monday December 20...
In-Reply-To: <sig.49669f2623.4D0A55BE.4090207@sfo.com>
References: <sig.49669f2623.4D0A55BE.4090207@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <20101217023239.GA31653@sonic.net>


On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:09:02AM -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>     SF-LUG meets again on Monday December 20th
> at the Cafe Enchante 26th and Geary nominally from
> 6-8 PM.
> 
>     Come in out of the rain and have a warm cuppa of
> whatever lights your fire.

Aww, you all should just car-pool to Davis!  Our meeting
will be in vivid 3D! ;)

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/

-bill!



From sirspudd at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 22:23:59 2010
From: sirspudd at gmail.com (Donald Carr)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:23:59 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Any takers?
Message-ID: <AANLkTindkFo+E9GLWJOBCgP7rLQ_7V3NQyfegH5V2o2s@mail.gmail.com>

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/zip/2121622237.html

-- 
-------------------------------
??v? ?Donald Carr
/(_)\ Professional Penguin lover
?^ ^



From bliss at sfo.com  Mon Dec 20 20:59:32 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:59:32 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hacking embedded devices..
Message-ID: <sig.29713fff28.4D103434.6010405@sfo.com>

     This can be done on routers.

<http://www.devttys0.com/2010/12/breaking-ssl-on-embedded-devices/>


     later
     bliss



From bliss at sfo.com  Mon Dec 20 21:06:41 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:06:41 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetiing this evening.
Message-ID: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>


     Well, I showed up early and before I could do more
than get my laptop working along came 3 guys from
SF State who want to start a LUG, Ramon, Patrick and
Greg.  A young woman who was in India and bought
a laptop which was then loaded at a shop with all sorts
of pirated softwares which seems to be the custom in
India.  We started talking about the problems of
installation but she was not sure of the details of her
machine.
     Then in came Jim and he spent a lot of time
with the YL and then with the SF State guys talking
about organizing a LUG.  Eric and Jeff showed up
about 7 PM and added to the discussion.  We tried
booting several distros on Jim's laptop but were
not consistently successful and gave the young
lady several Live CDs to try out and phone numbers
to call for more help.

     A very interesting and stimulating meeting
even if my mind did not hang on to the YL's name.

     later
     bliss



From jackofnotrades at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 22:57:52 2010
From: jackofnotrades at gmail.com (Jeff Bragg)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:57:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetiing this evening.
In-Reply-To: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
References: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ifbrdt=UwfSJurHx=pZwKdD7BjpeFr1mt-DQs@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com> wrote:

>
>    Well, I showed up early and before I could do more
> than get my laptop working along came 3 guys from
> SF State who want to start a LUG, Ramon, Patrick and
> Greg.  A young woman who was in India and bought
> a laptop which was then loaded at a shop with all sorts
> of pirated softwares which seems to be the custom in
> India.  We started talking about the problems of
> installation but she was not sure of the details of her
> machine.
>    Then in came Jim and he spent a lot of time
> with the YL and then with the SF State guys talking
> about organizing a LUG.  Eric and Jeff showed up
> about 7 PM and added to the discussion.  We tried
> booting several distros on Jim's laptop but were
> not consistently successful and gave the young
> lady several Live CDs to try out and phone numbers
> to call for more help.
>
>    A very interesting and stimulating meeting
> even if my mind did not hang on to the YL's name.
>
>    later
>    bliss
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>

Slight correction:  I believe Ramon, Patrick, and Greg were from City
College (CCSF), not SF State.
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Dec 20 23:59:43 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:59:43 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetiing this evening.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ifbrdt=UwfSJurHx=pZwKdD7BjpeFr1mt-DQs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
	<AANLkTi=ifbrdt=UwfSJurHx=pZwKdD7BjpeFr1mt-DQs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101221075943.GB22558@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Jeff Bragg (jackofnotrades at gmail.com):

> Slight correction:  I believe Ramon, Patrick, and Greg were from City
> College (CCSF), not SF State.

It might be worth letting Ramon, Patrick, and Greg know that there was
once a CCSF LUG, whose Web site (last updated 2002) still exists:
http://www.ccsf.edu/Organizations/Linux_Users_Group/

Moreover, its mailing list, run using the Majordomo mailing list
manager, also (last I checked) still exists and is perfectly usable.
To join it, send e-mail to majordomo at cloud.ccsf.cc.ca.us containing the
phrase subscribe lug as your message's body text (not its subject
header, which may be anything).

The above details are present for future reference at
http://linuxmafia.com/bale/#ccsflug, an entry I've maintained all these
years in case some CCSF students ever wished to revive the group.

-- 
Rick Moen                           "I've been to Alaska, it was like a long 
rick at linuxmafia.com                 'Home Improvement' episode with taxidermy."
McQ!  (4x80)                                                 -- Kelly Oxford



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Dec 21 00:03:17 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:03:17 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetiing this evening.
In-Reply-To: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
References: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <20101221080317.GC22558@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):

> Then in came Jim and he spent a lot of time with the YL and then with
> the [CCSF] guys talking about organizing a LUG.

By the way, one might also wish to call to their attention the Linux
Documentation Project's "Linux User Group HOWTO", which includes a
number of practical tips.  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO.html

-- 
Rick Moen                                   We Await Silent Tristero's Empire.
rick at linuxmafia.com                                        
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Dec 21 01:00:53 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 01:00:53 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hacking embedded devices..
In-Reply-To: <sig.29713fff28.4D103434.6010405@sfo.com>
References: <sig.29713fff28.4D103434.6010405@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <20101221090053.GD22558@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):

> This can be done on routers.
> <http://www.devttys0.com/2010/12/breaking-ssl-on-embedded-devices/>

OpenWRT is your friend.   ;->

I run it on my Linksys WRT-54G v2, and couldn't be happier with it.
http://openwrt.org/




From jim at well.com  Tue Dec 21 10:54:20 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:54:20 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetiing this evening.
In-Reply-To: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
References: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <1292957660.1912.60.camel@jim-laptop>


   the yl's name is jackie, definitely a newbie. 
   she took away a few live CDs with instructions not to 
install, just try: seems safest not to load too many 
instructions on her at any one time--if she tries to 
save data, how will she find her hard disk; if she 
installs, what if the OS doesn't work with all of her 
subsystems? 
   we're here for her, she's got some phone numbers. 

   interesting that some bootable CDs failed to boot on 
my machine (which we used to demo the process). this 
seems to happen commonly, probably a matter that 
built-in players, perhaps those on laptops, are 
slightly misaligned or become so over time. 

   i'm hoping the guys from sf city college will put 
their questions to the list (the sf-lug list is nearing 
300 members, most with opinions). 
   we told them about noisebridge: 
* linux sysadm study group tuesdays and fridays from 
  3 to 6 PM 
* linux discussion group wednesdays from 6 to 8 PM. 
  and about Bay Area Linux Events 
  http://linuxmafia.com/bale/
* and about BALUG (dinner/speaker third tuesdays of 
  the month except december) 
  http://www.balug.org/ 
* they got pretty excited to learn about larry cafiero's 
  effort to set up an uber-group that may link various 
  college lugs; they want to know more. 
* i believe there's a linux group at sfu: anybody know 
  about this? 
* sameer verma is the likely point man for learning 
  about linux groups as sfsu. 
   anybody got additional info that might interest this 
new sf city college effort? 




On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 21:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Well, I showed up early and before I could do more
> than get my laptop working along came 3 guys from
> SF State who want to start a LUG, Ramon, Patrick and
> Greg.  A young woman who was in India and bought
> a laptop which was then loaded at a shop with all sorts
> of pirated softwares which seems to be the custom in
> India.  We started talking about the problems of
> installation but she was not sure of the details of her
> machine.
>      Then in came Jim and he spent a lot of time
> with the YL and then with the SF State guys talking
> about organizing a LUG.  Eric and Jeff showed up
> about 7 PM and added to the discussion.  We tried
> booting several distros on Jim's laptop but were
> not consistently successful and gave the young
> lady several Live CDs to try out and phone numbers
> to call for more help.
> 
>      A very interesting and stimulating meeting
> even if my mind did not hang on to the YL's name.
> 
>      later
>      bliss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> 




From jim at well.com  Tue Dec 21 11:02:33 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:02:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetiing this evening.
In-Reply-To: <20101221080317.GC22558@linuxmafia.com>
References: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
	<20101221080317.GC22558@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <1292958153.1912.65.camel@jim-laptop>


   (erk! i forgot to include this) we also mentioned rick's 
conspire/linuxmafia/cabal afternoon and early evening 
get-togethers, usually held at his house on a couple of 
saturdays each month (see the BALE listings: 
 http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ ). 


On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 00:03 -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):
> 
> > Then in came Jim and he spent a lot of time with the YL and then with
> > the [CCSF] guys talking about organizing a LUG.
> 
> By the way, one might also wish to call to their attention the Linux
> Documentation Project's "Linux User Group HOWTO", which includes a
> number of practical tips.  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO.html
> 




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Dec 21 18:06:16 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:06:16 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hacking embedded devices..
In-Reply-To: <sig.0972809c95.4D11526D.7010804@sfo.com>
References: <4D103434.6010405@sfo.com> <20101221090053.GD22558@linuxmafia.com>
	<sig.0972809c95.4D11526D.7010804@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <20101222020616.GO28390@linuxmafia.com>

Bobbie, no offence taken, but normally I post on mailing lists
in order to (try to) benefit the public forum, and not just specific
individuals.  So, I am redirecting back from private mail, into which
you just departed, to the ongoing mailing list thread.

Naturally, if you ever want a private discussion, please just say so
(and why, if it's not obvious).



Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):

>     Can you give a pointer to a reference that OpenWRT is proof against
> this SSL exploit?

Um, not exactly.

The thing is, OpenWRT is a real Linux distribution.  Real Linux
distributions don't have hard-coded SSL (or SSH) keys.  You have to
create them when you configure the WAP/router.

Moreover, OpenWRT doesn't default to permitting administration from 
the public interface, to begin with.

The best way to verify all this is to just play with OpenWRT.  I got 
a pair of WRT54Gv2 boxes for free as cast-offs, but they and similar
gear are really cheap at any time.

The real challenge is to find a _good_ set of WAP/router hardware that
has a desirable chipset (like Atheros), a decent amount of RAM and
firmware, and (preferable) at least one high-speed USB port.  The
WRT54Gv2 has none of those things -- but is damned good for free
hardware.  Best information source about good current makes/models is...
OpenWRT's discussion forums.



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Dec 21 18:20:49 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:20:49 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hacking embedded devices..
In-Reply-To: <20101222020616.GO28390@linuxmafia.com>
References: <4D103434.6010405@sfo.com> <20101221090053.GD22558@linuxmafia.com>
	<sig.0972809c95.4D11526D.7010804@sfo.com>
	<20101222020616.GO28390@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <20101222022049.GV22558@linuxmafia.com>

I wrote:

> The thing is, OpenWRT is a real Linux distribution.  Real Linux
> distributions don't have hard-coded SSL (or SSH) keys.  You have to
> create them when you configure the WAP/router.

Caveat:  It's been something like a year since I set up OpenWRT 
from scratch, so you're on your own about that, and I don't promise to
remember details.  However:

> Moreover, OpenWRT doesn't default to permitting administration from 
> the public interface, to begin with.

This part I'm quite sure about.

Setup is described here:
http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/configuring

Steps to secure administrative access are here:
http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/configuring#secure.your.router.s.access
Note that there _isn't_ a default SSL cert, and the recommended steps
involve either redirecting the port 8080/tcp Web-admin access over
Dropbear sshd or a combination of Lighthttpd and OpenSSL.  Dropbear
setup generates a local host keypair _dynamically_ by the administrator,
and you'll notice that the OpenSSL instructions likewise run you through 
generating and self-signing a local cert.

Ergo, as I said, not burned into the firmware.

(Please be aware that OpenWRT, unlike DD-WRT, is a genuine open-source
project.)




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Dec 22 12:48:36 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:48:36 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Hacking embedded devices..
In-Reply-To: <20101222022049.GV22558@linuxmafia.com>
References: <4D103434.6010405@sfo.com> <20101221090053.GD22558@linuxmafia.com>
	<sig.0972809c95.4D11526D.7010804@sfo.com>
	<20101222020616.GO28390@linuxmafia.com>
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Let me just elaborate on that bit about OpenWrt.

OpenWrt is one of a number of very small Linux distributions for
embedded router + wireless access point appliances.  That whole genre 
was launched when Linksys released the model WRT54G "wi-fi capable
residential gateway" in 2002, and Linux activists found it to be both
(1) Linux-based and (2) hackable.  Specifically, Linksys tried to shirk
its GPL obligation to publish source code, were called on it, and
furnished source code that's been crucial for the various offshoots such
as DD-WRT, Tomato, and OpenWrt.

With any of them, given suitable hardware (which by this point is a much
wider list than just the Linksys models), you follow canned instructions
to overwrite your appliance's boot firmware with the distro, which then
boots thereafter and loads into RAM to run the appliance -- instead of
whatever it came with.

About the Linksys hardware, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series

About the third-party distros, here's one starting point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wireless_router_firmware_projects


When I got my own pair of cheap Linksys devices as a gift (and passed
one of them along to EBLUG in Fremont), I at first expected to load the
very popular DD-WRT software onto them.  After listening to a number of
people's advice -- and grateful props to Grant Bowman on this one, in
particular -- I changed my mind and went for OpenWrt.

Why?  A couple of things.  

1.  Open source.  OpenWrt is; DD-WRT isn't.  (It's claimed to be
all GPL, but the developer has been a bit squirrely at best about
compliance, and it's been proven that they include several bits of
third-party kernel code under incompatible proprietary licences.  See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT#Controversy and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:DD-WRT )

2.  DD-WRT is a firmware image that's not really designed to be user
modified, tweaked, or anything added to it.  Although in theory you 
can use Firmware Modification Kit,
http://www.bitsum.com/firmware_mod_kit.htm , to revise and reconstruct 
DD-WRT, it's less practical than with OpenWrt.  

In particular, OpenWrt supports adding software via _packages_ (using
'opkg') without having to recompile the firmware, while DD-WRT does not.
Thus, its ability to be customised and configured without difficulty is
much greater.

3.  OpenWrt has a much larger, more productive community.  DD-WRT seems
to be mostly one guy.



When I loaded OpenWrt onto my pair of Linksys devices, the project was
going through an awkward transition from 2.4.x to 2.6.x Linux kernels,
made possible mainly by then-new availability of a good open source
driver for Broadcom wireless chips, replacing the buggy and unstable
proprietary driver that had been used in 2.4 kernels.  At the time, 
you could use the new OpenWrt 8.09.1 'Kamikaze' code (with 2.6 kernels
and a stable Broadcom driver) only if you compiled development code, as 
the official release was still OpenWrt 0.9 'WhiteRussian'.  Daniel
Gimpelevich was kind enough to help me with that:  Compiling 8.09.1
on my Pentium III server took something like six hours(!).  

However, that was a couple of years ago, and the project has moved on to 
10.0 'Backfire' releases, which have a good reputation -- and you can
just run the release code and not have to compile anything.


People who attend the CABAL meetings at my house in Menlo Park and use
the Internet connectivity are reaching the Net through that OpenWrt
8.09.1 betaware on my dinky Linksys -- and, as anyone can confirm, it's 
been _way_ better than the previous setup that relied on my wife's Apple
Airport Extreme WAP/router, which has never been reliable when under
heavy use, whereas the throwaway Linksys with OpenWrt passes that test
with flying colours.




From mhigashi at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 15:22:17 2010
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:22:17 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetiing this evening.
In-Reply-To: <1292957660.1912.60.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
	<1292957660.1912.60.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinARGNQ1v_SREoGjc+FnRNh1odSjntiLS-a1kNp@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:54 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
> ? interesting that some bootable CDs failed to boot on
> my machine (which we used to demo the process). this
> seems to happen commonly, probably a matter that
> built-in players, perhaps those on laptops, are
> slightly misaligned or become so over time.

When I snap a CD or DVD onto the hub of a laptop's drive
tray, I often spin the disc by hand before I shut the tray.  If
I can see the disc wobbling, it means I've done a poor job
of physically mounting the disc, and the drive won't be able
to read it until I fix this.

If your laptop uses a slot drive, then of course this would not
apply.

Mike



From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 17:09:52 2010
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:09:52 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Meetiing this evening.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinARGNQ1v_SREoGjc+FnRNh1odSjntiLS-a1kNp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sig.097130ef38.4D1035E1.4080203@sfo.com>
	<1292957660.1912.60.camel@jim-laptop>
	<AANLkTinARGNQ1v_SREoGjc+FnRNh1odSjntiLS-a1kNp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=UK7faAv-L8bis_7UU8p3C8e-RD0J+A_kH46jz@mail.gmail.com>

Had a CD player that had problems with disks scraping the case.  Fixed it
with a thin slice of insulation off an insulated wire for a washer to raise
the mounting hub a little.  Must have missed a washer in the mfg process.
Ken
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From wellmanron at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 21:49:31 2010
From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:49:31 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] noisebridge troubles
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEFOQ_2hWa4GvdW-272PLKCs92WGEnzGSWV4Yr@mail.gmail.com>

here are a cou<http://uptownalmanac.com/2010/12/noisebridge-sfs-only-hackerspace-could-be-forced-close>ple
links to appeals for financial help for noisebridge, I won't repeat what you
can read here:

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge

http://uptownalmanac.com/2010/12/noisebridge-sfs-only-hackerspace-could-be-forced-close
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From grantbow at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 23:18:33 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:18:33 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] 882 Novell Patents
Message-ID: <AANLkTikBVpxzE8v+iNJzj7AAZvM4DLhJi8USVYOVCXc9@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, this was posted to the Linux Weekly News 10 days ago.

Grant


http://lwn.net/Articles/420177/
Mueller: 882 Novell patents go to Microsoft, Apple, EMC, and Oracle
[Announcements] Posted Dec 16, 2010 16:32 UTC (Thu) by jake

On his blog, Florian Mueller is reporting[1] that CPTN Holdings LLC,
which acquired the Novell patents (or will when and if the sale closes),
is owned by four industry heavyweights: "Twitter user @VM_gville just
pointed me to the website[2] of the German federal antitrust authority
("Bundeskartellamt"), which discloses a merger (or more precisely, joint
venture) notification filed a week ago (on 09 December 2010), according
to which the four companies behind CPTN Holdings LLC -- the acquirer of
882 Novell patents -- are Microsoft, Apple, EMC, and Oracle. The product
market in which the newly formed company plans to operate is defined as
"patents"."

 [1] http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/12/cptn-holdings-llc-acquirer-of-882.html
 [2] http://www.bundeskartellamt.de/wDeutsch/zusammenschluesse/zusammenschluesse.php



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 15:18:47 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:18:47 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Free Pizza! Triage Fest for Linux in schools
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxF5qH4xhBOTgXj6jkSTKyfDX9BCEYF9j0ovWp@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

This Friday, 12/31/10, from 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. at the Creative Arts
Charter School at 1601 Turk Street at Pierce in San Francisco, we will be
triaging old hardware.  Our goal will be to comb through our pile of
existing hardware to find hardware that is suitable for a basic Linux client
install.  We won't actually be doing the installs -- those installs will
happen later, once we have triaged equipment.  The goal is to separate
working from non-working equipment and get the non-working equipment over to
the ACCRC.org for responsible recycling.

If you are interested in helping out, please email me here at this email
address.  We will be ordering Pizza at 1:15 p.m., so that we can eat the
pizza at 2:00 p.m.  Al Stoll is paying for the pizza (Thanks Al ! ).

Please bring whatever tools you have to triage machines -- circuit testers,
etc.  Please also bring needle nose pliers if you have them, and whatever
screw drivers you would need to pull apart and test machines and printers,
etc.

It is difficult to get into the school, so please text or call Christian
Einfeldt at 415-351-1300 when you arrive, so that I can let you into the
school.
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From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Dec 30 08:55:12 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:55:12 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday 2 January 2011
Message-ID: <sig.9980329441.4D1CB970.7060402@sfo.com>

Hi LUG members,

    Yes the usual low key meeting from 11 AM to 1 PM, nominally,
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary.

     Happy New Year!

     I will drag along the latest Linux Pro & Linux Journal magazines,
and Live Disks of CDLinux both in the Community and standard
releases.  Standard is about 30 Megabytes in size and Community
with more tools is about 225 Megabytes.
     These can load into memory and mount all the connected disks.
     Like Knoppix these are useful either for operating without an
install on a PC or working on a damaged system to recover it.

     Oh and I finished my 3 month trial of Gnome 2.3 and switched
back to KDE with which I am still having problems.  One of the
reasons I switched is poor performance with Brasero and CDCreator.
     The chief problem I am having with updated 2001.1 is failure
to hibernate or indeed to shut down with using a Terminal.

     May you all have a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year
in 2011.

       later
       Bobbie Sellers
   Happy New Year!



From wellmanron at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 12:31:45 2010
From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:31:45 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday 2 January 2011
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvqRiXKQLt8nmDKAULxjuQ4AXzXNnVTJ5wgRwz@mail.gmail.com>

I'm coming in with two laptops this sunday; the new one I bought from
Zareason, which has some problems that didn't get resolved (longterm) when I
took it back three times. the second one is a thinkpad T42 that has
windowsXP installed for school. no longer going to classes, no longer need
MS and hoping that this older laptop will handle a new install. And I'm
interested in at least a Knoppix disk, and hopefully an Ubuntu one too.

Last summer someone asked me to report on my experience with Zareason. I
don't know what to say. Their talk is good though.

   Yes the usual low key meeting from 11 AM to 1 PM, nominally,
> at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary.
>
>
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From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 30 16:58:09 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:58:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [sf-lug] Zareason laptop problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvqRiXKQLt8nmDKAULxjuQ4AXzXNnVTJ5wgRwz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <144344.88876.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ron,
I'm interested in the nature of your problem(s) with your Zareason laptop. I also have one that has some annoying qualities: 
1. Sporadically and unpredictably, a key I press will remain in auto repeat mode even though I am not holding it down. This continues until such time as another key is hit. Although a relatively minor nuisance most of the time, when using vim it can create complete havoc.
2. When ever the charger is plugged in or unplugged, the screen goes blank and the system demands another log on. Nothing is lost, but this is an annoyance none the less.
To be fair to Zareason, I have not gotten around to making arrangements to take it back to them. These might be easily fixed.
Are your issues anything similar?

On the subject of the Thinkpad T42: I bought one on the recommendation of Asheesh quite a long time ago and have since bought a second one when the first one died. Loading Ubuntu and more recently Fedora has never been a problem. It's as much computer as I needed. I think you'll be very happy with it.
ak

a_kleider at yahoo.com

--- On Thu, 12/30/10, ron wellman <wellmanron at gmail.com> wrote:

From: ron wellman <wellmanron at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday 2 January 2011
To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 12:31 PM

I'm coming in with two laptops this sunday; the new one I bought from Zareason, which has some problems that didn't get resolved (longterm) when I took it back three times. the second one is a thinkpad T42 that has windowsXP installed for school. no longer going to classes, no longer need MS and hoping that this older laptop will handle a new install. And I'm interested in at least a Knoppix disk, and hopefully an Ubuntu one too. 


Last summer someone asked me to report on my experience with Zareason. I don't know what to say. Their talk is good though.



 ?? Yes the usual low key meeting from 11 AM to 1 PM, nominally,

at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary.






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From jim at well.com  Thu Dec 30 20:05:06 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:05:06 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] Zareason laptop problems
In-Reply-To: <144344.88876.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <144344.88876.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1293768306.1737.96.camel@jim-laptop>


   i have a T42 on which i installed linux. i had 
problems getting the wifi to work, solved when i 
finally got the right software in the right 
firmware directory. it now works fine. 



On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 16:58 -0800, Alex Kleider wrote:
> Ron,
> I'm interested in the nature of your problem(s) with your Zareason
> laptop. I also have one that has some annoying qualities: 
> 1. Sporadically and unpredictably, a key I press will remain in auto
> repeat mode even though I am not holding it down. This continues until
> such time as another key is hit. Although a relatively minor nuisance
> most of the time, when using vim it can create complete havoc.
> 2. When ever the charger is plugged in or unplugged, the screen goes
> blank and the system demands another log on. Nothing is lost, but this
> is an annoyance none the less.
> To be fair to Zareason, I have not gotten around to making
> arrangements to take it back to them. These might be easily fixed.
> Are your issues anything similar?
> 
> On the subject of the Thinkpad T42: I bought one on the recommendation
> of Asheesh quite a long time ago and have since bought a second one
> when the first one died. Loading Ubuntu and more recently Fedora has
> never been a problem. It's as much computer as I needed. I think
> you'll be very happy with it.
> ak
> 
> a_kleider at yahoo.com
> 
> --- On Thu, 12/30/10, ron wellman <wellmanron at gmail.com> wrote:
>         
>         From: ron wellman <wellmanron at gmail.com>
>         Subject: Re: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday 2 January
>         2011
>         To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>         Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 12:31 PM
>         
>         I'm coming in with two laptops this sunday; the new one I
>         bought from Zareason, which has some problems that didn't get
>         resolved (longterm) when I took it back three times. the
>         second one is a thinkpad T42 that has windowsXP installed for
>         school. no longer going to classes, no longer need MS and
>         hoping that this older laptop will handle a new install. And
>         I'm interested in at least a Knoppix disk, and hopefully an
>         Ubuntu one too. 
>         
>         Last summer someone asked me to report on my experience with
>         Zareason. I don't know what to say. Their talk is good though.
>         
>                    Yes the usual low key meeting from 11 AM to 1 PM,
>                 nominally,
>                 at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary.
>                 
>         
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