From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 08:00:47 2010
From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:00:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] HTML/Javascript slide package (skip the PowerPoint,
	go forward/backward with <SPACE> and <BACKSPACE>,
	etc.) - simple HTML plus a bit of JavaScript
In-Reply-To: <20100630205931.14376nntiev4of0g@webmail.rawbw.com>
References: <20100630205931.14376nntiev4of0g@webmail.rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <598677.80486.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

With jQuery, you could avoid those calls to the server. Use less bandwidth.




________________________________
From: Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>
To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 8:59:31 PM
Subject: [sf-lug] HTML/Javascript slide package (skip the PowerPoint, go forward/backward with <SPACE> and <BACKSPACE>, etc.) - simple HTML plus a bit of JavaScript

I stumbled across this nice little gem - thought I'd share:

HTML/Javascript slide package (skip the PowerPoint, go forward/backward with <SPACE> and <BACKSPACE>, etc.) - simple HTML plus a bit of JavaScript:

Slide Presentations in HTML and JavaScript
by Akkana Peck
http://shallowsky.com/software/presentation/


_______________________________________________
sf-lug mailing list
sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From mark at gidgetkitchen.org  Thu Jul  1 10:38:19 2010
From: mark at gidgetkitchen.org (Mark Terranova)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:38:19 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BBQ, picnic in the East Bay & a Baseball game
Message-ID: <AANLkTimupuX5Jj7vIHAAgpSwUC_yfjk_G55KOkq-uMd-@mail.gmail.com>

July 11th Geeknic 2.5 BBQ before an Oakland Athletics Baseball game 10 - 1
 the game starts at 1:05pm. It will be the A's vs The Anaheim Angels.

BBQ in the parking lot , go inside after we are full of some good food.

Taking BART to the Coliseum stop is the easiest way to get there. Carpooling
is 2nd choice; parking is $17 or FREE at the BART parking lot. Cheap tickets
are $9 & $12 for ValueDeck tickets. If we can get 25 people, we can get an
extra discount.
Sorry for the schedule conflict BerkeleyLUG, you folks are extra invited

#gidgetkitchen on freenode, or just use the direct way
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=gidgetkitchen

-Mark


Also wanting to know if there is anyone from CA that is attending OSCON &
willing to volunteer at the Ubuntu table. Also the deadline for signing up
for the Fedora table is Monday.
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From bliss at sfo.com  Fri Jul  2 08:15:56 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 08:15:56 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday July 4
Message-ID: <sig.77997c5b61.4C2E02AC.70703@sfo.com>


     San Francisco Linux Users Group according to established schedule meets
this Sunday July 4, 2010 from 11 AM to 1 PM nominally at Cafe Enchante
located at 26th and Geary in San Francisco.
     I will be dragging along the latest Linux Pro magazine now on the 
stands
#116 and this issue contains the famous Ubuntu 6 pack of demonstrations,
versions of Mythbuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Lubuntu(not live), Zubuntu, Ubuntu,
and Kubunto.

     Happy birthday to the USA #234, (#72 of this series).

     later
     Bobbie Sellers



From jim at well.com  Fri Jul  2 09:05:59 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 09:05:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this Sunday July 4
In-Reply-To: <sig.77997c5b61.4C2E02AC.70703@sfo.com>
References: <sig.77997c5b61.4C2E02AC.70703@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <1278086759.1627.32.camel@jim-laptop>


i'll bring copies of ubuntu desktop 10.04. 

note re rides home: i'll have to leave not 
too much after 1 PM so's to get back home 
to work dutifully on the garage (we're 
having a garage sale monday). just letting 
anyone who wants a post-meeting ride know: 
normal ride goes to the upper tenderloin 
then down market to around 15th in the 
mission, then winds out to ocean beach. 





On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 08:15 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> San Francisco Linux Users Group according to established schedule meets
> this Sunday July 4, 2010 from 11 AM to 1 PM nominally at Cafe Enchante
> located at 26th and Geary in San Francisco.
>      I will be dragging along the latest Linux Pro magazine now on the 
> stands
> #116 and this issue contains the famous Ubuntu 6 pack of demonstrations,
> versions of Mythbuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Lubuntu(not live), Zubuntu, Ubuntu,
> and Kubunto.
> 
>      Happy birthday to the USA #234, (#72 of this series).
> 
>      later
>      Bobbie Sellers
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> 





From jskulski at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 17:21:26 2010
From: jskulski at gmail.com (Jon Skulski)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 17:21:26 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] X201 Laptop randomly freezing (completely)
Message-ID: <AANLkTinfmTd8uQ7A6er4mz8z3-v9XTaBUzk6yTFrpmjf@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all-

I have a lenovo x201 laptop that I finally got ubuntu 10.04 installed on.
I was running into
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/554569, so I am running
the custom kernel in #45, though I experience my problem with stock kernels
as well.

What I am experiencing is random freezes on my laptop. I am not sure exactly
what causes it. Some days it's seems more frequent.
I do notice that it's less frequent without anything pluged in (external
monitor/keyboards, etcs). My CPU tempature is around 52C

I don't notice anything in the logs, but not sure if the kernel is logging
everything.

I'm a programmer, but recently moved back to linux and would like to
diagnose this problems. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to debug
this?
Here is a similar post I created on the ubuntu forms that has not really
been answered.


http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1512143

I am full up to date.
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From bliss at sfo.com  Fri Jul  2 19:44:28 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:44:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Open Office speed up.
Message-ID: <sig.28002379f0.4C2EA40C.4090905@sfo.com>


     Found this by Bit-twister in the alt.os.linux.mandriva newsgroup today.


FYI: speedup Open Office launch

http://www.fewt.com/2010/06/speed-up-open-office.html


	I already had the JRE set and it only took a few seconds
to come up but after I did the adjustments, magic
numbers,  in the configuration options. OO Write appeared nearly
instantaneously.

	later
	bliss




From john_re at fastmail.us  Sat Jul  3 02:44:00 2010
From: john_re at fastmail.us (giovanni_re)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:44:00 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Join July Global Linux via VOIP Free SW HW Culture Mtgs -
	BerkeleyTIP
Message-ID: <1278150240.11270.1383107391@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Watch some videos. Mark your calendar. Invite your friends.
Join in on IRC or Voice.  Join the mailing list, say "Hi.  :)"

=====  1)  2010.7 Videos:
Motorola Droid Metro PCS Apps, makeitcricket.com
How to write VOIP client in less then 2 minutes, rpdammu
Open Wonderland virtual worlds platform, Nicole Yankelovich, iED
How to Succeed in Mobile, Girl Geek Dinner, Kris Corzine
Using KDE Marble to research your next vacation, Justin Kirby 
Schizophrenic Firewalls - virtualized net stack OpenBSD, Claudio Jeker
Introducing Numpy Arrays, unpingco
Meet Google Founder Larry Page, Google Faculty Summit 2009
Building the Python Community, Steve Holden, PyCon 2010
How Python, TurboGears, and MongoDB are Transforming SourceForge.net,
  Rick Copeland, PyCon

http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos/2010-7-videos

==  July Meetings  -  Mark your calendar:
 3 Sat 12N-3P PST = 3-6P EST = 19-22 UTC
12 Mon  5 -6P PST = 8-9P EST =  0- 1 UTC Tues 13
18 Sun 12N-3P PST = 3-6P EST = 19-22 UTC
27 Tue  5 -6P PST = 8-9P EST =  0- 1 UTC Wed 28


=====
You're invited to join in with the friendly people at the BerkeleyTIP
global meeting  -  newbie to Ph.D. -  everyone is invited.

Get a headset & join using VOIP online, or come to Berkeley.

1st step: Join the mailing list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

Watch the videos.  Discuss them on VOIP.
10 great videos/talks this month.

Join with us at the Golden Bear Cafe, Upper Sproul Plaza, UCB
 at the University of California at Berkeley,
or join from your home via VOIP,
or send this email locally, create a local meeting, & join via VOIP:
  Tip: a wifi cafe is a great place to meet. :)

PLEASE VIEW THE BTIP WEBSITE & MAILING LIST FOR LATEST DETIALS.
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip

BerkeleyTIP  -  Educational, Productive, Social
For Learning about, Sharing, & Producing, All Free SW HW & Culture.
TIP ==  Talks, Installfest, Project & Programming Party


=====  CONTENTS:  1) 2010 JULY VIDEOS;  2) 2010 JULY MEETING DAYS,
TIMES, LOCATIONS;  3) LOCAL MEETING AT U. C. Berkeley;
4) HOT TOPICS;  5) PLEASE  RSVP  PROBABILISTICALLY, THANKS :) ;
6) INSTALLFEST;  7) ARRIVING FIRST AT THE MEETING: MAKE A
"BerkeleyTIP" SIGN;  8) IRC: #berkeleytip  on  irc.freenode.net; 9) VOIP
FOR GLOBAL MEETING;  10) VOLUNTEERING, TO DOs;  11) MAILING LISTS:
BerkeleyTIP-Global, LocalBerkeley, Announce;  12) ANYTHING I FORGOT TO
MENTION?;  13) FOR FORWARDING


=======================================================================
=====  1)   -  See videos list at top of this email.
Thanks to all the speakers, organizations, & videographers. :)
[Please alert the speakers that their talks are scheduled for 
BTIP (if you are with the group that recorded their talk), because I may
not have time to do that.  Thanks. :)  ]

Download & watch these talks before the BTIP meetings. Discuss at the
meeting.

Email the mailing list, tell us what videos you'll watch & want to
discuss.

Know any other video sources? - please email me.

_Your_ group should video record & post online your meeting's talks!


=====  2)  2010 JULY MEETING DAYS, TIMES, LOCATIONS
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/schedule
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/directions

In person meetings on 1st Saturday & 3rd Sunday, every month.
July 3 & 18, 12N-3P USA-Pacific time, Saturday, Sunday
July 3  = Golden Bear Cafe, Upper Sproul Plaza, UCB
July 18 = Free Speech Cafe, Moffitt Library, UCB

Online only meeting using VOIP - 9 days after weekend meetings:
July 12 & 27, 5-6P   USA-Pacific time, Monday, Tuesday

Mark your calendars.


=====  3)  LOCAL MEETING AT  U. C. BERKELEY
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/directions

RSVP please.  See below.  It greatly helps my planning.  But, _do_ come
if you forgot to RSVP.

ALWAYS BE SURE TO CHECK THE BTIP WEBSITE _&_ MAILING LIST FOR THE LATEST
LAST MINUTE DETAILS & CHANGES, BEFORE COMING TO THE MEETING! :)

DO BRING A VOIP HEADSET, available for $10-30 at most electronics retail
stores, & a laptop computer, so you are able to communicate with the
global BTIP community via VOIP.  It is highly recommended that you have
a voip headset, & not rely on a laptop's built in microphone & speakers,
because the headphones keep the noise level down.  Bringing a headset is
not required, but is a great part of the being able to communicate with
the global community. :)

Clothing: Typically 55-80 degrees F.  Weather:
http://www.wunderground.com/auto/sfgate/CA/Berkeley.html

Other location local meeting possibilities:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/local-meetings
Create a local meeting in your town. Invite your friends.  :)  


=====  4)  HOT TOPICS
Android phones - Besting iPhone? worthwhile? How knowable is the hw?
iPad, iPhone4 & iPod- rooting & running GNU(Linux)
Skype for group video conferencing?
Open Wonderland virtual worlds platform


=====  5)  PLEASE  RSVP  PROBABILISTICALLY, THANKS  :)
If you think there is a >70% chance ("likely") you'll come to the in
person meeting in Berkeley, please RSVP to me. Thanks.  It helps my
planning.  Please _do_ come even if you haven't RSVP'd, it's not
required.

Better yet, join the BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list, send the RSVP
there, & tell us what things you're interested in, or what videos you'll
try to watch - so we can know what videos are popular, & we might watch
them too. :)
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  6)  INSTALLFEST
Get help installing & using Free Software, Hardware & Culture.
Laptops only, typically.  There isn't easy access for physically
bringing desktop boxes here.

RSVP _HIGHLY RECOMMENDED_ if you want installfest help.  Please RSVP to
me, Giovanni, at the from address for this announcement, or better, join
& send email to the BTIP-Global mailing list telling us what you'd like
help with.  This way we can be better prepared to help you, & you might
get valuable advice from the mailing list members.

If you are new to using free software, an excellent system would be the
KUbuntu GNU(Linux) software.  It is very comprehensive, fairly easy to
use (similar to Windows or Mac), & suitable for personal, home,
university, or business use.

We are also glad to try to help people with software who join via VOIP. 
Please email the mailing list with requests that you want help with, so
we can try to be prepared better to help you.

Installfest volunteers/helpers always welcome, in person, or via VOIP.
:)


=====  7)  ARRIVING FIRST AT THE MEETING:  MAKE A "BerkeleyTIP" SIGN
If you get to the meeting & don't see a "BerkeleyTIP" sign up yet,
please:
1) Make a BTIP sign on an 8x11 paper & put it at your table,
2) Email the mailing list, or join on IRC, & let us know you are there.

Ask someone if you could use their computer for a minute to look
something up, or send an email.  People are usually very friendly &
willing to help.  We can also email you a temporary guest AirBears
account login.

We will have wifi guest accounts available for BTIP attendees.  Be sure
you have wifi capable equipment.  Be Prepared: Bring a multi-outlet
extension power cord.


=====  8)  IRC:  #berkeleytip  on  irc.freenode.net
For help with anything, especially how to get VOIP working, & text
communication.


=====  9)  VOIP FOR GLOBAL MEETING
Speak & listen to everyone globally using VOIP.
Get a headset!  See some VOIP instructions here:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/voice-voip-conferencing


===== 10)  VOLUNTEERING, TO DOs
Enjoy doing or learning something(s)?  Help out BTIP in that area. 
Website development, mailing list management, video locating, VOIP
server (FreeSwitch, Asterisk) or client (Ekiga, SFLPhone,...), creating
a local meeting.  Join the mailing list & let us know.  Your offers of
free help are always welcome here. :)


=====  11)  MAILING LISTS:  BerkeleyTIP-Global, LocalBerkeley, Announce
Everyone should join the BerkeleyTIP-Global list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
Say "hi", tell us your interests, & what videos you'll like to watch.

Info on all lists here:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/mailing-lists


=====  12)  ANYTHING I FORGOT TO MENTION?
Please join & email the BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list.


=====  13)  FOR FORWARDING
You are invited to forward this message anywhere it would be
appreciated.
Better yet, use it to create a local meeting.  Invite & get together
with your friends locally, & join in with us all globally. :)


Looking forward to meeting with you in person, or online. :)

Giovanni

==  Join in the Global weekly meetings, via VOIP, about all Free SW HW & Culture
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/




From jim at well.com  Sat Jul  3 11:00:07 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:00:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] X201 Laptop randomly freezing (completely)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfmTd8uQ7A6er4mz8z3-v9XTaBUzk6yTFrpmjf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinfmTd8uQ7A6er4mz8z3-v9XTaBUzk6yTFrpmjf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1278180007.2214.58.camel@jim-laptop>


   at least a few people will be at the cafe enchante 
tomorrow (sunday, july 4) between 11 AM and 1 PM or 
so. bring it by and, depending on who shows up, maybe 
someone can figure it out. 
   consider bringing it by noisebridge on wednesday 
evenings--that's a free-form discussion group similar 
to sf-lug meetings at the cafe enchante. 

* cafe enchante on geary at 26th avenue in SF 
http://www.sf-lug.com http://www.sf-lug.org 

* noisebridge at 2169 mission near 18th, ring bell in 
iron gate structure immediately north of the fruit 
stand. 
http://www.noisebridge.net 

   at noisebridge, a linux system administration study 
group meets on tuesdays and fridays from 3 PM to 6 PM. 
sometimes there's a real guru there. 

   rick moen hosts an every-other-saturday get-together 
for solving any and all linux related problems, i 
believe currently from 4 PM to 9 PM at his house: 
   CABAL (Consortium of All Bay Area Linux)
meets 2nd and 4th Saturdays, 4 pm-midnight at 1105 Altschul Ave. near
Gordon Ave., Menlo Park. What: CABAL coordinates Linux InstallFests at
various locations, and holds other Linux-oriented events at 1105
Altschul Avenue, taking advantage of Rick and Deirdre's Internet leased
lines and Linux servers. Always feel free to bring computers to install
Linux on, using your own or the distributions on hand. There will also
typically be a barbecue dinner, in the evening.
http://linuxmafia.com/bale/  # scroll about half-way down 


   52 degrees centigrade sounds suspiciously hot to me, 
and i suspect overheating as the cause of your freezes. 

   first thing i'd do is inspect the box; look to see 
what processes are running 
$ ps aux 
$ top 
and see what hardware is installed 
$ lsusb 
$ lspci 
$ lsmod 
$ lspcmcia 
$ lshal 

   second thing: interview you to find out what your 
installation experience was like: did you have problems, 
if so what and how did you conquer them. also, on days 
that are "more frequent", is the ambient temperature 
higher than days less frequent? 

   third thing: search the net to see if your computer 
is notorious in any way. 

   fourth thing, find a guru. 



On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 17:21 -0700, Jon Skulski wrote:
> Hey all-
> 
> I have a lenovo x201 laptop that I finally got ubuntu 10.04 installed
> on.
> I was running into
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/554569, so I am
> running the custom kernel in #45, though I experience my problem with
> stock kernels as well. 
> 
> What I am experiencing is random freezes on my laptop. I am not sure
> exactly what causes it. Some days it's seems more frequent.
> I do notice that it's less frequent without anything pluged in
> (external monitor/keyboards, etcs). My CPU tempature is around 52C
> 
> I don't notice anything in the logs, but not sure if the kernel is
> logging everything. 
> 
> I'm a programmer, but recently moved back to linux and would like to
> diagnose this problems. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to
> debug this?
> Here is a similar post I created on the ubuntu forms that has not
> really been answered.
> 
> 
> http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1512143
> 
> I am full up to date.
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/





From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  3 13:18:06 2010
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 16:18:06 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] X201 Laptop randomly freezing (completely)
In-Reply-To: <1278180007.2214.58.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <AANLkTinfmTd8uQ7A6er4mz8z3-v9XTaBUzk6yTFrpmjf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1278180007.2214.58.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilXV_ZB3JIqVe0I24JGdFBR_rV4Yo3G1KDRRT5K@mail.gmail.com>

I've had problems with Lucid on my desktop with
the intel video.  Fixed the instant GL screensaver
crashes with the suggested kernel in Ubuntu bug 541492
(for i845 chips) (or 541511 for i855).  Still crashed
after a few hrs.  I'm testing a lower resolution now,
to see if that makes a difference.
 You may find non-intel drivers without accel which
work.  Also, dropping back to 9.10 may be an easy
fix.  I certainly had no problems with 8.04 -- upgraded
to 10.04, so I don't have much experience with the 9.xes
Good Luck
Ken
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From jskulski at gmail.com  Sat Jul  3 14:33:11 2010
From: jskulski at gmail.com (Jon Skulski)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:33:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] X201 Laptop randomly freezing (completely)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilXV_ZB3JIqVe0I24JGdFBR_rV4Yo3G1KDRRT5K@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinfmTd8uQ7A6er4mz8z3-v9XTaBUzk6yTFrpmjf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1278180007.2214.58.camel@jim-laptop>
	<AANLkTilXV_ZB3JIqVe0I24JGdFBR_rV4Yo3G1KDRRT5K@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimedsTydO0m5vgjSBqveMfWph0jPgNKqMOq2GKC@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

Thanks for the info!
I'll stop by at noisebridge on wednesday to meet and greet and get some more
pointers.

I don't really know at this point what is causing it. From what I've seen
52C isn't that abnormal for the i5 and this laptop. I'd like to figure out
what part of the system is causing it. I've been down the road with just
randomly guessing and adding patches, upgrading etc. So I would like to
understand what is happening.

Here is my cpu info
[jskulski at instrument] ~ % lscpu
Architecture:          x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):        32-bit, 64-bit
CPU(s):                4
Thread(s) per core:    2
Core(s) per socket:    2
CPU socket(s):         1
NUMA node(s):          1
Vendor ID:             GenuineIntel
CPU family:            6
Model:                 37
Stepping:              2
CPU MHz:               1199.000
Virtualization:        VT-x
L1d cache:             32K
L1i cache:             32K
L2 cache:              256K
L3 cache:              3072K



On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I've had problems with Lucid on my desktop with
> the intel video.  Fixed the instant GL screensaver
> crashes with the suggested kernel in Ubuntu bug 541492
> (for i845 chips) (or 541511 for i855).  Still crashed
> after a few hrs.  I'm testing a lower resolution now,
> to see if that makes a difference.
>  You may find non-intel drivers without accel which
> work.  Also, dropping back to 9.10 may be an easy
> fix.  I certainly had no problems with 8.04 -- upgraded
> to 10.04, so I don't have much experience with the 9.xes
> Good Luck
> Ken
>
>
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Jul  3 20:22:21 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 20:22:21 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Help installing Linux for a senior citizen
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBv7hGBCdqcD4TKl5ap1vNo91dAlLiJwq01JTC@mail.gmail.com>


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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Jul  3 20:35:56 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 20:35:56 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Help installing Linux for a senior citizen
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimTtmOC3qMhmYSUha7OK4t9e-r5bL2IT1whWtCU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinBv7hGBCdqcD4TKl5ap1vNo91dAlLiJwq01JTC@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimTtmOC3qMhmYSUha7OK4t9e-r5bL2IT1whWtCU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTily-yQe4jN9vvOHJhHaf2HUHiXlo-_JpQBJHRuF@mail.gmail.com>

Oops, accidentally hit send.

I know a senior citizen who just bought a notebook computer and he wants to
install Ubuntu on it.  He has used Linux before.

He was recently involved in a Muni accident, and so has trouble travelling.
He lives with his girlfriend.  I would help him out, but I am busy with my
Linux schools project.  This senior is pleasant, and articulate and willing
to learn.  He has tried to install linux himself, but hit a snag.  He wants
to blow away Windows completely.  He lives in San Francisco, and would be
grateful if someone could come to his apartment @ Bay and Van Ness.

Thanks either way for considering my request.

On Jul 3, 2010 8:22 PM, "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
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From b79net at gmail.com  Sat Jul  3 21:31:51 2010
From: b79net at gmail.com (John Magolske)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:31:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] X201 Laptop randomly freezing (completely)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfmTd8uQ7A6er4mz8z3-v9XTaBUzk6yTFrpmjf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinfmTd8uQ7A6er4mz8z3-v9XTaBUzk6yTFrpmjf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100704043150.GB28924@s70206.gridserver.com>

* Jon Skulski <jskulski at gmail.com> [100702 19:11]:
> I have a lenovo x201 laptop that I finally got ubuntu 10.04 installed on.
> I was running into
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/554569, so I am running
> the custom kernel in #45, though I experience my problem with stock kernels
> as well.
> ...

Perhaps you already know about this resource, but I'll mention it just
in case:

    Linux-Thinkpad -- This list for users of Linux on IBM Thinkpads
    http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

Regards,

John


-- 
John Magolske
http://B79.net/contact



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  4 10:09:48 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 10:09:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Open Office speed up.
In-Reply-To: <sig.28002379f0.4C2EA40C.4090905@sfo.com>
References: <sig.28002379f0.4C2EA40C.4090905@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <4C30C05C.9080608@gmail.com>

WOAH that's fast. I feel like the guy in the old Memorex commercials, 
with his hear blown back.

Thanks!

On 07/02/2010 07:44 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> FYI: speedup Open Office launch
>
> http://www.fewt.com/2010/06/speed-up-open-office.html
>
>
> I already had the JRE set and it only took a few seconds
> to come up but after I did the adjustments, magic
> numbers, in the configuration options. OO Write appeared nearly
> instantaneously.
>
> later
> bliss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>

-- 
Sent from my ASR-33



From bliss at sfo.com  Sun Jul  4 15:09:16 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 15:09:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting news and  Driving for the blind.
Message-ID: <sig.1801aa25d9.4C31068C.1090100@sfo.com>


     Hi all,
	At the meeting today we had myself, John, George and Jim,
	George had accidentally shut off the wireless on the OLPC
machine he has and though John helped point out the problem
Jim resolved  it finally..
	I booted up the Linux Pro 6 pack of Ubuntu 10.04 and
used Virtual Box to demo the other 3 varieties Mythbuntu,
Xubuntu and and Kubuntu.  The other two system Lubuntu
and Ubuntu Studio have to be burned to CD to boot.  I hadn't
quite had time to do this so we have to do without at this
meeting.

	I also showed off a copy of the sign for the meeting I
made and plan with Jim's assistance to produce a bookmark
sized version with contact information which seemed to light
Jim's fire,
	
	There are two interesting machines to be available soon
One is a netbook with AA cells instead of the standard integrated
battery and a low price.
	<http://www.norhtec.com/products/gecko/index.html>

	Looks good. and can use both recharable AAs and a
special more standard battery.

	The other is a Lenova netbook running a base of Windows but the
detachable tablet is Linux and gets 8 hours of functionality
away from the base.
<http://www.Linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Lenovo-Skylight-First-Netbook-with-ARM-CPU>

	Well I have looked at the site and the detachable tablet is not mentioned.  I also
downloaded the movie and the tablet is not mentioned but it is a very slim and light
netbook.

	Blind Drivers Will become Reality - they do it with computers
of course.

     Once a bad joke now is close to reality.  DMV tests will have to
change when the whole system is up and running,  That may take
longer than building thehardware systems.

<http://cbs5.com/technology/driving.blind.cars.2.1785337.html>

     later
     Bobbie Sellers




From jim at well.com  Sun Jul  4 15:27:49 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 15:27:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting news and  Driving for the blind.
In-Reply-To: <sig.1801aa25d9.4C31068C.1090100@sfo.com>
References: <sig.1801aa25d9.4C31068C.1090100@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <1278282469.1689.32.camel@jim-laptop>


   wow! a report! nice, and thanks, bobbie. 

   correction: jim didn't fix or resolve anything. 
the OLPC still doesn't show any neighborhood 
stuff. george is, i believe, still looking for 
OLPC help. 
   i've come around to the bookmark thing: stealth 
promo for linux. yes, i'll help. 



On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 15:09 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Hi all,
> 	At the meeting today we had myself, John, George and Jim,
> 	George had accidentally shut off the wireless on the OLPC
> machine he has and though John helped point out the problem
> Jim resolved  it finally..
> 	I booted up the Linux Pro 6 pack of Ubuntu 10.04 and
> used Virtual Box to demo the other 3 varieties Mythbuntu,
> Xubuntu and and Kubuntu.  The other two system Lubuntu
> and Ubuntu Studio have to be burned to CD to boot.  I hadn't
> quite had time to do this so we have to do without at this
> meeting.
> 
> 	I also showed off a copy of the sign for the meeting I
> made and plan with Jim's assistance to produce a bookmark
> sized version with contact information which seemed to light
> Jim's fire,
> 	
> 	There are two interesting machines to be available soon
> One is a netbook with AA cells instead of the standard integrated
> battery and a low price.
> 	<http://www.norhtec.com/products/gecko/index.html>
> 
> 	Looks good. and can use both recharable AAs and a
> special more standard battery.
> 
> 	The other is a Lenova netbook running a base of Windows but the
> detachable tablet is Linux and gets 8 hours of functionality
> away from the base.
> <http://www.Linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Lenovo-Skylight-First-Netbook-with-ARM-CPU>
> 
> 	Well I have looked at the site and the detachable tablet is not mentioned.  I also
> downloaded the movie and the tablet is not mentioned but it is a very slim and light
> netbook.
> 
> 	Blind Drivers Will become Reality - they do it with computers
> of course.
> 
>      Once a bad joke now is close to reality.  DMV tests will have to
> change when the whole system is up and running,  That may take
> longer than building thehardware systems.
> 
> <http://cbs5.com/technology/driving.blind.cars.2.1785337.html>
> 
>      later
>      Bobbie Sellers
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> 





From bliss at sfo.com  Sun Jul  4 15:35:29 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 15:35:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Lenova IdeaPad U1
Message-ID: <sig.8801cea8ff.4C310CB1.5020000@sfo.com>


     Ok the magazine gives the wrong reference for the
Netbook with Windows 7 on the keyboard and a Linux
OS, Skylight, on the video screen removable tablet.

     Googling did the job.

<http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-hands-on-and-impressions/>

     Whoops they have switched to Android for both parts of the 
machine.  active links are on the above site.

<http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/lenovos-skylight-and-u1-hybrid-being-revived-with-fresh-qualcom?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget>

     This could be the iPad killer.

     later
     bliss



From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 16:00:42 2010
From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:00:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Lenova IdeaPad U1 --- What about Cisco?
In-Reply-To: <sig.8801cea8ff.4C310CB1.5020000@sfo.com>
References: <sig.8801cea8ff.4C310CB1.5020000@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <488470.2062.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Cisco is releasing an Android basic business tablet. Wonder if an app designed for mobile will easily work on the tablet?




________________________________
From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com>
To: SF-LUG <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
Sent: Sun, July 4, 2010 3:35:29 PM
Subject: [sf-lug] Lenova IdeaPad U1


    Ok the magazine gives the wrong reference for the
Netbook with Windows 7 on the keyboard and a Linux
OS, Skylight, on the video screen removable tablet.

    Googling did the job.

<http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-hands-on-and-impressions/>

    Whoops they have switched to Android for both parts of the machine.  active links are on the above site.

<http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/lenovos-skylight-and-u1-hybrid-being-revived-with-fresh-qualcom?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget>

    This could be the iPad killer.

    later
    bliss

_______________________________________________
sf-lug mailing list
sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 09:03:42 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:03:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting news and  Driving for the blind.
In-Reply-To: <sig.1801aa25d9.4C31068C.1090100@sfo.com>
References: <sig.1801aa25d9.4C31068C.1090100@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <4C32025E.6010804@gmail.com>

Thanks for the excellent summary. One of these days I'll make it to a 
meeting..

I followed with interest your link to the Edubook. The company seems to 
be targeting value added resellers, pointing out the ability to re-skin 
or modify so much. I was also interested in the XCore86 heart of the 
device, and it seems to be developed by the same company, and is 
available for evalutation at $65. Along with a carrier board that 
provides all the standard IO ($25) you have the makings of your very own 
computer in whatever form factor you wish.

http://www.norhtec.com/products/xcore/index.html

For a hacker, I find this very compelling. For instance, I have an old 
Panasonic Toughbook, I think the very first model. It's way too slow to 
be used for anything. I could take the guts out, add the XCore86, and 
have a reasonable laptop that I can drive my car over without causing 
damage.

Thanks again,
Michael

On 07/04/2010 03:09 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> At the meeting today we had myself, John, George and Jim,
> George had accidentally shut off the wireless on the OLPC
> machine he has and though John helped point out the problem
> Jim resolved it finally..
> I booted up the Linux Pro 6 pack of Ubuntu 10.04 and
> used Virtual Box to demo the other 3 varieties Mythbuntu,
> Xubuntu and and Kubuntu. The other two system Lubuntu
> and Ubuntu Studio have to be burned to CD to boot. I hadn't
> quite had time to do this so we have to do without at this
> meeting.
>
> I also showed off a copy of the sign for the meeting I
> made and plan with Jim's assistance to produce a bookmark
> sized version with contact information which seemed to light
> Jim's fire,
>
> There are two interesting machines to be available soon
> One is a netbook with AA cells instead of the standard integrated
> battery and a low price.
> <http://www.norhtec.com/products/gecko/index.html>
>
> Looks good. and can use both recharable AAs and a
> special more standard battery.
>
> The other is a Lenova netbook running a base of Windows but the
> detachable tablet is Linux and gets 8 hours of functionality
> away from the base.
> <http://www.Linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Lenovo-Skylight-First-Netbook-with-ARM-CPU>
>
>
> Well I have looked at the site and the detachable tablet is not
> mentioned. I also
> downloaded the movie and the tablet is not mentioned but it is a very
> slim and light
> netbook.
>
> Blind Drivers Will become Reality - they do it with computers
> of course.
>
> Once a bad joke now is close to reality. DMV tests will have to
> change when the whole system is up and running, That may take
> longer than building thehardware systems.
>
> <http://cbs5.com/technology/driving.blind.cars.2.1785337.html>
>
> later
> Bobbie Sellers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>

-- 
Sent from my ASR-33



From bliss at sfo.com  Mon Jul  5 16:30:52 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:30:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting news and  Driving for the blind.
In-Reply-To: <4C32025E.6010804@gmail.com>
References: <4C31068C.1090100@sfo.com> <4C32025E.6010804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <sig.8802e94420.4C326B2C.5090100@sfo.com>

On 07/05/2010 09:03 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote:

     Thanks for your comment but 4 or maybe 6 people are the limits of
my reporting capacity.  I cannot even blame my age.

> Thanks for the excellent summary. One of these days I'll make it to a 
> meeting..
>
> I followed with interest your link to the Edubook. The company seems 
> to be targeting value added resellers, pointing out the ability to 
> re-skin or modify so much. I was also interested in the XCore86 heart 
> of the device, and it seems to be developed by the same company, and 
> is available for evalutation at $65. Along with a carrier board that 
> provides all the standard IO ($25) you have the makings of your very 
> own computer in whatever form factor you wish.
>
> http://www.norhtec.com/products/xcore/index.html
>
> For a hacker, I find this very compelling. For instance, I have an old 
> Panasonic Toughbook, I think the very first model. It's way too slow 
> to be used for anything. I could take the guts out, add the XCore86, 
> and have a reasonable laptop that I can drive my car over without 
> causing damage.

         Before you build be sure to check out the ARM and the other 
very small motherboards.

>
> Thanks again,
> Michael

     Thank you
     later
     Bobbie
>
> On 07/04/2010 03:09 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> At the meeting today we had myself, John, George and Jim,
>> George had accidentally shut off the wireless on the OLPC
>> machine he has and though John helped point out the problem
>> Jim resolved it finally..
>> I booted up the Linux Pro 6 pack of Ubuntu 10.04 and
>> used Virtual Box to demo the other 3 varieties Mythbuntu,
>> Xubuntu and and Kubuntu. The other two system Lubuntu
>> and Ubuntu Studio have to be burned to CD to boot. I hadn't
>> quite had time to do this so we have to do without at this
>> meeting.
>>
>> I also showed off a copy of the sign for the meeting I
>> made and plan with Jim's assistance to produce a bookmark
>> sized version with contact information which seemed to light
>> Jim's fire,
>>
>> There are two interesting machines to be available soon
>> One is a netbook with AA cells instead of the standard integrated
>> battery and a low price.
>> <http://www.norhtec.com/products/gecko/index.html>
>>
>> Looks good. and can use both recharable AAs and a
>> special more standard battery.
>>
>> The other is a Lenova netbook running a base of Windows but the
>> detachable tablet is Linux and gets 8 hours of functionality
>> away from the base.
>> <http://www.Linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Lenovo-Skylight-First-Netbook-with-ARM-CPU> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I have looked at the site and the detachable tablet is not
>> mentioned. I also
>> downloaded the movie and the tablet is not mentioned but it is a very
>> slim and light
>> netbook.
>>
>> Blind Drivers Will become Reality - they do it with computers
>> of course.
>>
>> Once a bad joke now is close to reality. DMV tests will have to
>> change when the whole system is up and running, That may take
>> longer than building thehardware systems.
>>
>> <http://cbs5.com/technology/driving.blind.cars.2.1785337.html>
>>
>> later
>> Bobbie Sellers
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Jul  6 15:00:36 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:00:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] X201 Laptop randomly freezing (completely)
In-Reply-To: <1278180007.2214.58.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <AANLkTinfmTd8uQ7A6er4mz8z3-v9XTaBUzk6yTFrpmjf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1278180007.2214.58.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <20100706220036.GB5430@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at well.com):

>    rick moen hosts an every-other-saturday get-together 
> for solving any and all linux related problems, i 
> believe currently from 4 PM to 9 PM at his house: 
>    CABAL (Consortium of All Bay Area Linux)
> meets 2nd and 4th Saturdays, 4 pm-midnight at 1105 Altschul Ave. near
> Gordon Ave., Menlo Park. What: CABAL coordinates Linux InstallFests at
> various locations, and holds other Linux-oriented events at 1105
> Altschul Avenue, taking advantage of Rick and Deirdre's Internet leased
> lines and Linux servers. Always feel free to bring computers to install
> Linux on, using your own or the distributions on hand. There will also
> typically be a barbecue dinner, in the evening.
> http://linuxmafia.com/bale/  # scroll about half-way down 


Next one will be this coming Saturday, July 10th:

     July 2010      
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
             1  2  3
 4  5  6  7  8  9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30 31





From sverma at sfsu.edu  Tue Jul  6 15:35:02 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:35:02 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Software Freedom Day 2010
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmZvN3PjIg7DhyTk89YFKDXLl0Wl-am4g0SpUv@mail.gmail.com>

http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/NorthAmerica/USA/CA
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From sverma at sfsu.edu  Tue Jul  6 15:37:46 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:37:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Software Freedom Day 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinmZvN3PjIg7DhyTk89YFKDXLl0Wl-am4g0SpUv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinmZvN3PjIg7DhyTk89YFKDXLl0Wl-am4g0SpUv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-B5nqhRMbTWTPmm6DNj-7dqcgt_Na3RPl35PY@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/NorthAmerica/USA/CA
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor, Information Systems
> Director, Campus Business Solutions
> San Francisco State University
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
> http://is.sfsu.edu/
>

Sorry, incomplete send.

Wiki for SFD 2010 is up at
http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/NorthAmerica/USA/CA I've set
up pages for CA and San Francisco Bay Area. Register (not set up yet)
and set up pages if you will be holding a SFD 2010 event. SFSU will
host SFD 2010 on campus.

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From jim at well.com  Wed Jul  7 13:12:00 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:12:00 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Linux DTV app engineer, Sunnyvale, $100K
Message-ID: <1278533520.1672.56.camel@jim-laptop>


Position: Linux Graphics/Multimedia Engineer for DTV Applications group
Position Type:  Regular Full-time
Reports to: Senior Engineering Manager
Salary: $100K depending on qualifications 
Location: Sunnyvale 


Zoran Corporation, located in Sunnyvale, is looking for Linux
Graphics/Multimedia Engineer for DTV Applications to join our DTV team.
Join the elite group of DTV engineers to develop new features and
technologies for our embedded solution for DTV products. Zoran is a
leading provider of semiconductors for digital cameras and flat panel
televisions and commands significant share in this dynamic market.


Job Responsibilities

Linux Graphics/Multimedia engineer: Location: Sunnyvale, CA. Implement
or port new Linux graphics, streaming, and multimedia services for use
in embedded digital TV platforms. Participate in the creation of next
generation Internet TV, enable new services Vudu, Netflix, Webkit,
Android, etc. in the next generation TV SoCs.


Required Skills & Experience

Candidate should be very familiar with hardware and software graphics
and video standards, such as DirectFB, OpenVG, FFMPEG, Video4Linux,
Adobe Flash Lite or WebKit.
* At least 5 - 15 years industry experience.
* Desired Skills and Experience
* A strong background in Linux Kernel, MPEG2, MPEG4, H.264, VC1, WMV
video streaming, AAC, AC3, WMA, MPEG audio streaming, and user interface
design is a major plus
* A strong background in MIPS hardware, USB drivers, or Wi-Fi drivers is
highly desirable. Experience with MIPS 34K SMTC Linux is a plus.


Education

Candidate should have a BS or MS degree in EE or CS or equivalent field.


This is a full-time regular employee position.

If you are interested, please send me your resume or if you know
someone, feel free to forward this.

Mark Apton
Recruiter
mark.apton at zoran.com
Zoran Corp.
(408) 523-4333
www.zoran.com






From jim at well.com  Thu Jul  8 09:19:13 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:19:13 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] News for LUGs from O'Reilly Publications
Message-ID: <1278605953.1713.60.camel@jim-laptop>


(JS: I edited this for Linux and related interests) 

----------------------------------------------------

View this information as HTML in your browser, click here:
http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1z6cs1bf678h7t96pjp0deurbc1750lkrjq5pmlfg

Hi there,

What are the best organizational tools for groups? Mailing lists,
Meetup, blogs, or could it be as simple as a calendar? Share your
knowledge with us on O'Reilly Answers.
http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1z46tmfe47egrquhj3o0d94f51sm632fs3bgaso5g

Happening soon--O'Reilly webcasts on the following topics:

-Five Ways the iPad Can Entertain You, presented by J.D. Biersdorfer on
July 9 @ 10am PT
http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zj4p5v7avgg312bj0sj22hvj01s0st1in5vhog9g

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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Thu Jul  8 12:13:17 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:13:17 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] logging top
Message-ID: <AANLkTinV91jAcfRkX_hbe45Z3JYlAN8bY6qU-hHS-IsY@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to log output from top to a log file at a preset time
interval (say, every 5 seconds)? The system in question is running
Fedora 9.

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
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Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From darose at darose.net  Thu Jul  8 12:22:22 2010
From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:22:22 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] logging top
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinV91jAcfRkX_hbe45Z3JYlAN8bY6qU-hHS-IsY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinV91jAcfRkX_hbe45Z3JYlAN8bY6qU-hHS-IsY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C36256E.4050707@darose.net>

On 07/08/2010 03:13 PM, Sameer Verma wrote:
> Is there a way to log output from top to a log file at a preset time
> interval (say, every 5 seconds)? The system in question is running
> Fedora 9.
>
> cheers,
> Sameer

Run "top -b -n 1 >> SomeLogFile.log" in a cron job?

BTW, that's going to be a *very* big log file if you do that every 5 
seconds.

DR



From kenshaffer80 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  8 19:04:57 2010
From: kenshaffer80 at gmail.com (Ken Shaffer)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:04:57 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] logging top
In-Reply-To: <4C36256E.4050707@darose.net>
References: <AANLkTinV91jAcfRkX_hbe45Z3JYlAN8bY6qU-hHS-IsY@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C36256E.4050707@darose.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDgZN_KGoCjqTRvOxjQASTg7-5cT2Cek8XF5o_@mail.gmail.com>

The man page documents -d5.0 as the switch for a 5 sec delay between pages
on my Ubuntu system. Redirect stdout to a file, and you have it (but in
looking at the file, don't use cat, you will only see the last page in a
standard gnome terminal).
Ken
:

> On 07/08/2010 03:13 PM, Sameer Verma wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to log output from top to a log file at a preset time
>> interval (say, every 5 seconds)? The system in question is running
>> Fedora 9.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sameer
>>
>
> Run "top -b -n 1 >> SomeLogFile.log" in a cron job?
>
> BTW, that's going to be a *very* big log file if you do that every 5
> seconds.
>
> DR
>
>
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Fri Jul  9 12:14:25 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:14:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PDF export trouble with OOo
Message-ID: <AANLkTimhPaSpdZMeuvRJEnL98NwbKAQ7qNbx1SJzyVzU@mail.gmail.com>

I use OpenOffice extensively. I've noticed that the PDF export in
Ubuntu beyond 9.04 drops the quality of images in the PDF rendered.
JPGs and PNGs embedded in the PDF look grainy. The same ODP file
exported in Ubuntu 9.04 has clearer images, when compared to 9.10 or
10.04

Has anyone else seen this?

Sameer
-- 
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Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Fri Jul  9 13:20:36 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 13:20:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] logging top
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDgZN_KGoCjqTRvOxjQASTg7-5cT2Cek8XF5o_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinV91jAcfRkX_hbe45Z3JYlAN8bY6qU-hHS-IsY@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C36256E.4050707@darose.net>
	<AANLkTimDgZN_KGoCjqTRvOxjQASTg7-5cT2Cek8XF5o_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilPPbRFOngiUBF6vvapjGUprHoXju5px-e6gXm_@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Ken Shaffer <kenshaffer80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> The man page documents -d5.0 as the switch for a 5 sec delay between pages
> on my Ubuntu system. Redirect stdout to a file, and you have it (but in
> looking at the file, don't use cat, you will only see the last page in a
> standard gnome terminal).
> Ken
> :
>>
>> On 07/08/2010 03:13 PM, Sameer Verma wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a way to log output from top to a log file at a preset time
>>> interval (say, every 5 seconds)? The system in question is running
>>> Fedora 9.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Sameer
>>
>> Run "top -b -n 1 >> SomeLogFile.log" in a cron job?
>>
>> BTW, that's going to be a *very* big log file if you do that every 5
>> seconds.
>>
>> DR
>>
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>
>
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>

Thanks for the tips. I found nmon instead, which does exactly what I
want. CPU, Memory, Disk, etc. out to csv or to rrdtool for graphing.
http://nmon.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From mason.christopher.thomas at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 14:21:44 2010
From: mason.christopher.thomas at gmail.com (Chris Mason)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:21:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] PDF export trouble with OOo
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimhPaSpdZMeuvRJEnL98NwbKAQ7qNbx1SJzyVzU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimhPaSpdZMeuvRJEnL98NwbKAQ7qNbx1SJzyVzU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimozZzYtjlZh60tomJS2ho9dPXZOEKR4DQH_2yn@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I assume you've tried different options in the "Export as PDF..." dialogue?

"Lossless compression" looks promising, for example...


Chris



From b79net at gmail.com  Fri Jul  9 16:45:48 2010
From: b79net at gmail.com (John Magolske)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:45:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] question about using rsync and ssh in a script
Message-ID: <20100709234547.GA8100@s70206.gridserver.com>

I put together a simple script to rsync a couple directories of files
from a local machine up to a server using rsync & ssh like so:

  #!/bin/sh
  rsync -av --delete -e ssh /path/to/site/ user at 123.456.78.900:dir/html
  rsync -av --delete -e ssh /path/to/files user at 123.456.78.900:dir

This ends up prompting me for the same password twice, and I'd like to
only have to input the password once. I suppose there are a variety
of solutions, but I'm not figuring it out as I sit here reading
though the rsync man page. I was wondering if someone with more
rsync/ssh/shell-scripting fu than I might suggest an elegant way to
accomplish this...

TIA for any suggestions.

John


-- 
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http://B79.net/contact



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Jul  9 16:52:16 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:52:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] question about using rsync and ssh in a script
In-Reply-To: <20100709234547.GA8100@s70206.gridserver.com>
References: <20100709234547.GA8100@s70206.gridserver.com>
Message-ID: <20100709235216.GD7657@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting John Magolske (b79net at gmail.com):

> This ends up prompting me for the same password twice, and I'd like to
> only have to input the password once. I suppose there are a variety
> of solutions, but I'm not figuring it out as I sit here reading
> though the rsync man page. I was wondering if someone with more
> rsync/ssh/shell-scripting fu than I might suggest an elegant way to
> accomplish this...

See 'SSH Public-key Process' on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security .




From eric at ericwalstad.com  Fri Jul  9 17:43:45 2010
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:43:45 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] question about using rsync and ssh in a script
In-Reply-To: <20100709234547.GA8100@s70206.gridserver.com>
References: <20100709234547.GA8100@s70206.gridserver.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilABtiAzc3WRSZjCf8CrNfjABjfKBbExXthDHNV@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:45 PM, John Magolske <b79net at gmail.com> wrote:
> I put together a simple script to rsync a couple directories of files
> from a local machine up to a server using rsync & ssh
...
> This ends up prompting me for the same password twice, and I'd like to
> only have to input the password once.

How about not having to input the password at all?  If that's
acceptable then you can use a public/private key pair to enable
password-less logins.  Here's the script I use when creating new key
pairs.  You'll want to edit the variables at the top to your taste
before pasting the contents into a console on your (local) machine.

http://starship.python.net/crew/ewalstad/setup_ssh_keys.html

Once you have your public ssh key ('id_rsa.pub' in my script)
installed on the remote server you will be able to log in without a
password using ssh (and rsync with the -e "ssh" bits).  Remember to
never share your private key ('id_rsa' in my script) - 'Keep it
secret, keep it safe.'

hth,

Eric.



From b79net at gmail.com  Sat Jul 10 09:40:51 2010
From: b79net at gmail.com (John Magolske)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:40:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] question about using rsync and ssh in a script
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilABtiAzc3WRSZjCf8CrNfjABjfKBbExXthDHNV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100709234547.GA8100@s70206.gridserver.com>
	<AANLkTilABtiAzc3WRSZjCf8CrNfjABjfKBbExXthDHNV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100710164051.GA23331@s70206.gridserver.com>

* Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> [100709 21:36]:
> > I put together a simple script to rsync a couple directories of files
> > from a local machine up to a server using rsync & ssh
> ...
> > This ends up prompting me for the same password twice, and I'd like to
> > only have to input the password once.
> 
> How about not having to input the password at all?  If that's
> acceptable then you can use a public/private key pair to enable
> password-less logins.  Here's the script I use when creating new key
> pairs.  You'll want to edit the variables at the top to your taste
> before pasting the contents into a console on your (local) machine.
> 
> http://starship.python.net/crew/ewalstad/setup_ssh_keys.html

Thanks for the tips on using public/private key pairs with ssh, I'll
need to sit down & set this up at some point. For now I figured out
an rsync solution to syncing multiple directories without having to
re-input an entire rsync command. Rather than:

  #!/bin/sh
  rsync -av --delete -e ssh /path/to/site/ user at 123.456.78.900:dir/html
  rsync -av --delete -e ssh /path/to/files user at 123.456.78.900:dir

I tried this:

  #!/bin/sh
  rsync -av --delete -e ssh /path/to/{files,site/} user at 123.456.78.900:dir/html

Locally I have a symlink in the /path/to/site directory that links
to the /path/to/files directory. The above command would place that
symlink'd directory into the remote dir/html with everything else...
But then I found a more sensible solution:

  #!/bin/sh
  rsync -rkptgoDv --delete -e ssh /path/to/site/ user at 123.456.78.900:dir/html

The -a option is equivalent to -rlptgoD , so expanding that and
replacing the -l option with k "...causes the sending side to treat a
symlink to a directory as though it were a real directory" according
to rsync(1). Also, the ADVANCED USAGE section of that manpage has some
nice examples of how to specify multiple files & directories.

It'll probably make sense to sort out a public/private key solution at
some point, but this will do for now.

And thanks for the link Rick -- lots of useful stuff on that
http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security Knowledgebase page.

Regards,

John


-- 
John Magolske
http://B79.net/contact



From akkana at shallowsky.com  Sat Jul 10 10:32:22 2010
From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:32:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] question about using rsync and ssh in a script
In-Reply-To: <20100710164051.GA23331@s70206.gridserver.com>
References: <20100709234547.GA8100@s70206.gridserver.com>
	<AANLkTilABtiAzc3WRSZjCf8CrNfjABjfKBbExXthDHNV@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100710164051.GA23331@s70206.gridserver.com>
Message-ID: <20100710173222.GA2050@shallowsky.com>

John Magolske writes:
> Thanks for the tips on using public/private key pairs with ssh, I'll
> need to sit down & set this up at some point. For now I figured out
> an rsync solution to syncing multiple directories without having to

Not that you need another solution since you already have two good
ones, but a third is ssh-agent. It caches the password so you only
need to type it once per session, so the user only gets prompted for
a password once per machine.  Probably not as good a solution as
a public key, but might be worth knowing about anyway.

	...Akkana



From bliss at sfo.com  Sun Jul 11 09:06:15 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:06:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: 2010 Spring install seems OK.
Message-ID: <sig.68088368a0.4C39EBF7.2040406@sfo.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	2010 Spring install seems OK.
Date: 	Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:03:42 -0700
From: 	B Sellers <bliss at sfo.com>
Reply-To: 	bliss at sfo.com
Organization: 	none
Newsgroups: 	alt.os.linux.mandriva



	I had some hassle.
	First attempts onto a prepared empty partition failed with the attempt
to test the video card driver.  Dumped into failure bin and had to reboot to
make sure none of the drivers worked.
	So then I did the install on that partition with 2010 Spring One and
got a sweet setup but lacked my usual tools though I had access
  to my /Home.
	Up late last night with that.
	Then this morning I tried 2010 Spring Free 64 bit and was going to upgrade
the One but I was not offered that choice instead updating my 2009.1,

[bliss at localhost ~]$ uname -a
Linux localhost 2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb #1 SMP Thu Jun 17 19:50:04 UTC
2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

	is the result running faster and lighter than 2009.1 with all my handy
tools.

	Barely can wait until next month to get the PowerPack.

	later
	bliss




From sverma at sfsu.edu  Mon Jul 12 13:06:11 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:06:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] OLPC-SF July meeting
Message-ID: <AANLkTilEEEzA3mZKDGurjqw1KDSI9aoIWcmHrZO2j21_@mail.gmail.com>

We will meet on July 17 at SFSU Downtown Center 5th and Market, SF. We
have three main items on the agenda.

1) Fall summit. This will begin at 10 AM to accommodate some of the
people who are time constrained.
2) Revival/support of micro-deployments: Starr King, South Africa,
Senegal, etc. and updates on new ones.
3) New software builds for XO 1, XO 1.5 and Sugar (SoaS, etc),
followed by some server updates on the school server and Pathagar, a
new Bookserver project, which is very exciting.

What: OLPC-SF July 2010 meeting

OLPC-SF will meet on July 17, 2010. Items on the agenda:

    * Summit discussions - 10:00 am to 11:00 am
    * Micro-deployments updates - 11:00 am to 11:30 pm
    * Software updates: XO-1, XO-1.5, SoaS, etc. - 11:30 am to 12:30pm
    * XS SchoolServer and Pathagar BookServer - 12:30 to 1:30 pm
    * Other updates - 1:30 pm to 2:00 pm

When: Saturday, July 17, 2010.

    * 10 am to 2 pm

Where: Room 553, SF State Downtown campus (835 Market St., San
Francisco,CA, 94103). Note that this location is NOT the main campus.
This is the same building as the new Westfield mall that houses
Bloomingdale's. Look for the SFSU banner on Market St. between 4th and
5th streets, right next to Walgreens. Take the elevator to the 5th
floor.

    *      By car:
http://www.sfsu.edu/~parking/directions/downtown_center/car.html
    *      By Muni:
http://www.sfsu.edu/~parking/directions/downtown_center/muni.html
    *      By BART:
http://www.sfsu.edu/~parking/directions/downtown_center/bart.html

A huge thank you to San Francisco State University's College of
Business Graduate Program for letting us use a room on Saturdays.

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From nbs at sonic.net  Tue Jul 13 13:58:45 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:58:45 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	July 19: "Eventlet" networking library,
	from the creators of "Second Life"
Message-ID: <201007132058.o6DKwjLc004433@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding its next meeting on:

  Monday
  July 19, 2010
  7:00pm - 9:00pm


The meeting will be held at:

  Explorit Science Center  (Mace Ranch Facility)
  3141 5th Street
  Davis, California 95616


Presentation:

  "Eventlet" networking library

  Presented by:
    Ambroff Linden, Linden Lab

  'Eventlet' is an open source library maintained by Linden Lab,
  makers of the 'Second Life' virtual world.  Eventlet is a networking
  library for the Python programming language that allows the creation
  of hugely scalable web services.  It can also be used for writing
  tools that manage 6000-8000 servers concurrently.

  This talk will examine concurrency models: processes and threads
  event driven and Eventlet.  Ambroff will then explain Eventlet internals,
  talk about how Linden Lab uses Eventlet for highly scalable web services
  and tools, and demonstrate a COMET-style live chat web application or
  publish/subscribe (asynchronous messaging system), written in Django,
  running on the WSGI server 'Spawning,' and powered by Eventlet.


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/


About LUGOD:

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 14:29:25 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:29:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Printer: Brother model # MFC-7820N
Message-ID: <AANLkTil7IZnhTvoHv-ufAl4tetQpE1OLzIHD-T1i16wz@mail.gmail.com>

Our Linux schools project has been offered a BROTHER model # MFC-7820N printer
for use in our schools.  Does anyone have an opinion as to whether this
printer will work well with GNU-Linux?  We tend to use Ubunutu, with distros
varying between Hardy and Lucid.
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 14:56:16 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:56:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Printer: Brother model # MFC-7820N
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil7IZnhTvoHv-ufAl4tetQpE1OLzIHD-T1i16wz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTil7IZnhTvoHv-ufAl4tetQpE1OLzIHD-T1i16wz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C3CE100.8060200@gmail.com>

While I'm not familiar with this model in particular, I've used many 
dozens of donated printers in my various projects, classrooms, and 
workshops. I've never yet run into one that has not worked 
out-of-the-box with Ubuntu.

Rarely the drivers seem very slow compared to Windows or Mac; I'm sure 
this is due to painstaking emulation of some proprietary code.

Once the output was not as nice.

Sometimes ink level reporting does not work.

M

On 07/13/2010 02:29 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Our Linux schools project has been offered a BROTHER model #
> MFC-7820N printer for use in our schools.  Does anyone have an opinion
> as to whether this printer will work well with GNU-Linux?  We tend to
> use Ubunutu, with distros varying between Hardy and Lucid.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/

-- 
Sent from my ASR-33



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 15:30:01 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:30:01 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Printer: Brother model # MFC-7820N
In-Reply-To: <4C3CE100.8060200@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTil7IZnhTvoHv-ufAl4tetQpE1OLzIHD-T1i16wz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C3CE100.8060200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVOPR3F_uLHW8IB02U7hldvSfLVv_01Ay-GujK@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> While I'm not familiar with this model in particular,


The open printing database says that this model will work well, I just
wanted to hear if anyone had negative experiences.

http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Brother/Brother-MFC-7820N

Here is a good link to the openprinting database

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro

Thanks to Cathy Malmrose of Zareason.com for that link.   :-)
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From mzanfardino at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 15:44:04 2010
From: mzanfardino at gmail.com (Mark K. Zanfardino)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:44:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Printer: Brother model # MFC-7820N
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil7IZnhTvoHv-ufAl4tetQpE1OLzIHD-T1i16wz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTil7IZnhTvoHv-ufAl4tetQpE1OLzIHD-T1i16wz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C3CEC34.5050906@gmail.com>

Christian,

We use this printer at my office.  We are all running various flavors of 
Ubuntu and some are even using Windows and we can all print with no 
problem.  I even managed to get the remote scanning working.

Hope that helps.

Mark

Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Our Linux schools project has been offered a BROTHER model # 
> MFC-7820N printer for use in our schools.  Does anyone have an opinion 
> as to whether this printer will work well with GNU-Linux?  We tend to 
> use Ubunutu, with distros varying between Hardy and Lucid.  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 15:54:12 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:54:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Printer: Brother model # MFC-7820N
In-Reply-To: <4C3CEC34.5050906@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTil7IZnhTvoHv-ufAl4tetQpE1OLzIHD-T1i16wz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C3CEC34.5050906@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinh-v8QsK0Hq-W919XDzJNBM2INOPfmie3bc9Ia@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Mark K. Zanfardino
<mzanfardino at gmail.com>wrote:

> Christian,
>
> We use this printer at my office.  We are all running various flavors of
> Ubuntu and some are even using Windows and we can all print with no problem.
>  I even managed to get the remote scanning working.


Thanks to everyone who replied!
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From jim at well.com  Tue Jul 13 21:03:37 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:03:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Consulting-level Linux SysAdm, Los Angeles,
 up to $150K
Message-ID: <1279080217.1737.12.camel@jim-laptop>



Consulting Level Linux Administrator 

Currently seeking a senior level IT Consultant to join an LA based
on-line gaming company.  The position is full time and will be
responsible for working with a partner in China to establish and
maintain a high performance, highly available game service
infrastructure.  This position is responsible for building a large Linux
Server Community in Shanghai.  Position will require travel which is
negotiable, but will be at least 30% in the beginning.  Salary based on
experience, up to 150K.  The individual can live anywhere in the US, but
will travel to the corp. office in Los Angeles often (relocation is an
option).  

Job Description
? Proactively work with partners to identify their needs and rollout
solutions
? Assist with Systems Administration of production and development
environments
? Willingness to travel abroad (Asia and Europe)
? Help create innovative solutions to automate systems administration
functions
? Share 24/7/365 on call production systems critical problem
responsibilities
? Help troubleshoot and solve issues with hardware, applications, and
network components
? Evaluate and implement hardware and software technologies to improve
game efficiency and performance

Requirements
? B.S. in Computer Science or equivalent experience
? Excellent verbal and written communication skills
? Experience working with Linux (RHEL4/5, CentOS4/5, Ubuntu)
? Experience with some or all of the following: Netfilter, HA ? LVS,
Apache (httpd, tomcat and activeMQ), PXE, MySQL, SNMP, monitoring, dns,
dhcp/ bootp, and nfs
? Background/interest in application and infrastructure design
? Experience working with high-capacity, internet based infrastructure

Preferred
? Fluent in Mandarin, not mandatory but preferred
? Experience working with distributed caching solutions and data grids,
most specifically Oracle Coherence

If interested please send your resume and contact:
Eric Hughey
Relay Technology
314-256-9620 ? office 
314-482-2980 ? cell
ehughey at relaytechnology.com 






From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Jul 15 19:49:03 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:49:03 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Sharing Experience...
Message-ID: <sig.48130d5100.4C3FC89F.1000808@sfo.com>

Whooo!
     Mandriva provided a hugh package of updates
After the machine installed the updates I was
told I had xxx number of "orphaned" packages
and that i could do "urpme  --auto-orphans" to
take care of that problem.

     I didn't do it last night and this morning
the machine would not boot giving me some
message about lack of space for  /temp.

     I took me several hours to remember that
almost casual message from last night but
finally I did and resolved the problem.

     Watch out for those casual suggestions.
     In my case it should have been phrased
as "You must open a terminal and execute,
"urpme  --auto-orphans", immediately".

     Anyhow I spent the time it took crawling
thru the file trees looking for excess and managed
to dump 38 MB of old stuff so it wasn't totally
a waste but of my time and energy.

     later
     bliss



From bliss at sfo.com  Fri Jul 16 20:22:03 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:22:03 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this coming Monday
Message-ID: <sig.0814367862.4C4121DB.7020400@sfo.com>

Hi LUG members,
     The next meeting of SF-LUG will be on Monday July 19
from 6-8 PM (nominally) at the Cafe Enchante on the
corner of Geary and 26th Avenue in San Francisco.

     Hope to see you there.

     later
     Bobbie



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 15:19:33 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:19:33 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux in schools: working demo day
Message-ID: <AANLkTinLsO26BnPGUYICrj6AtIxgYd_0lJuiPkB4QLwh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Some of the volunteers for our Partimus.org Linux schools project will be
working at the Mission Beacon after-school program this Wednesday, July 21,
at 2:00 pm.  If you would like to see how GNU-Linux is being used in this
setting, and would maybe even like to consider participating in our broader
project, please feel free to stop by the Everett Middle School at 2:00 pm.
This will be a working demo, and we do have an agenda to do work, and so
most of us will be busy tweaking machines, but those of us with less hard
technical skills (me) will also be doing outreach to new volunteers at that
time.  There is plenty of free parking if you enter the parking lot from
17th Street between Sanchez and Church Streets.

http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/default.cfm?page=ms.everett

We are trying to entice volunteers into adopting a school, or supporting
someone who is adopting a school.  You can define your own level of
participation.  Our volunteers are really very highly effective.  We are
making real, concrete, measurable differences in the lives of the kids and
teachers that we are supporting.  Plus, we are gradually spreading the
message of the benefits of sharing forkable code.  The kids and teachers
take a while to "get" the importance of Free as in Free Speech aspect of
Free Software, but it does grown on them one little step at a time, as they
use the machines.

Our volunteers are now doing work in 6 SF Bay Area schools, and probably
soon going to be adding a seventh.  The schools thus far are:

   1. The KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy at Geary and Scott in SF;
   2. The Creative Arts Charter School at Pierce and Turk in SF;
   3. The International Studies Academy at 18th and DeHaro in SF;
   4. The Mission Beacon Center at Church and 16th Street in SF;
   5. The Precita Beacon Center on Potrero Hill in SF;
   6. The Ascend School on East 12th and 38th in Oakland;

If you live near one of these schools, and would like to help support it, we
would love to talk with you about what you can do to help the schools
directly.  I can tell you from my own personal experience that it is really
a wonderful thing to walk around your own neighborhood and be greeted by
kids who recognize you and smile at you and thank you for the work that you
have done for them.  The kids do understand the benefits that they are
getting, and they do express their gratitude.  We are introducing hundreds
of kids each year to the benefits of Free Software.  It is very rewarding.
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Jul 17 22:03:01 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:03:01 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux in schools: working demo day
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilpEf41XLtrSC6nrlQE4ovYF4i1pT_TSoxCgPuI@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinLsO26BnPGUYICrj6AtIxgYd_0lJuiPkB4QLwh@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTilpEf41XLtrSC6nrlQE4ovYF4i1pT_TSoxCgPuI@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJHxrUmLnCQSexy_6bYSRI0gvOxw1gvz2kmhdN@mail.gmail.com>

Someone pointed out that I should add my phone number, because Everett
Middle School is a huge building.  If you arrive at Everett at 2:00 pm on
Wednesday 7/21 and you need help finding parking, or need help finding the
Mission Beacon Center inside Everett Middle School, please feel free to call
Christian Einfeldt at 41-351-1300.  We. Will get you situated properly. :-)

On Jul 17, 2010 3:19 PM, "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Some of the volunteers for our Partimus.org Linux schools project will be
working at the Mission Beacon after-school program this Wednesday, July 21,
at 2:00 pm.  If you would like to see how GNU-Linux is being used in this
setting, and would maybe even like to consider participating in our broader
project, please feel free to stop by the Everett Middle School at 2:00 pm.
This will be a working demo, and we do have an agenda to do work, and so
most of us will be busy tweaking machines, but those of us with less hard
technical skills (me) will also be doing outreach to new volunteers at that
time.  There is plenty of free parking if you enter the parking lot from
17th Street between Sanchez and Church Streets.

http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/default.cfm?page=ms.everett

We are trying to entice volunteers into adopting a school, or supporting
someone who is adopting a school.  You can define your own level of
participation.  Our volunteers are really very highly effective.  We are
making real, concrete, measurable differences in the lives of the kids and
teachers that we are supporting.  Plus, we are gradually spreading the
message of the benefits of sharing forkable code.  The kids and teachers
take a while to "get" the importance of Free as in Free Speech aspect of
Free Software, but it does grown on them one little step at a time, as they
use the machines.

Our volunteers are now doing work in 6 SF Bay Area schools, and probably
soon going to be adding a seventh.  The schools thus far are:

   1. The KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy at Geary and Scott in SF;
   2. The Creative Arts Charter School at Pierce and Turk in SF;
   3. The International Studies Academy at 18th and DeHaro in SF;
   4. The Mission Beacon Center at Church and 16th Street in SF;
   5. The Precita Beacon Center on Potrero Hill in SF;
   6. The Ascend School on East 12th and 38th in Oakland;

If you live near one of these schools, and would like to help support it, we
would love to talk with you about what you can do to help the schools
directly.  I can tell you from my own personal experience that it is really
a wonderful thing to walk around your own neighborhood and be greeted by
kids who recognize you and smile at you and thank you for the work that you
have done for them.  The kids do understand the benefits that they are
getting, and they do express their gratitude.  We are introducing hundreds
of kids each year to the benefits of Free Software.  It is very rewarding.
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From jim at well.com  Sun Jul 18 21:15:05 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:15:05 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, July 22,
 2010: A Technical Anatomy of SPM.Python
Message-ID: <1279512905.1770.223.camel@jim-laptop>


BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, July 22, 2010: A Technical Anatomy of
SPM.Python 


Tonight's talk is the second of a two-part presentation: 
* A Technical Anatomy of SPM.Python 
by Minesh B. Amin 


Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of 
an essential Python feature, especially for those new to Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: Why Use Decorators, by Glen Jarvis 


LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------


..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any 
first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:45 PM ................
Newbie Nugget: Why Use Decorators, by Glen Jarvis 


..... 7:45 PM to 8:40 PM (or so) ................

July 22, 2010 -- Second of a two-part presentation: 
A Technical Anatomy of SPM.Python 
(A Scalable, Parallel Version of the Python Language) 
by Minesh B. Amin

Spm.Python, a commercial product, extends Python with a 
programming paradigm for solving parallel problems and 
strives to do so in a pythonic (natural) way by augmenting 
the serial Python language with parallel concepts like 
parallel task managers and communication primitives. 

This talk examines the what, why, and how of this 
augmentation. The context for and solutions to several 
(what were) open technical problems will be discussed, 
including 
- extending the general exception handling infrastructure 
across many compute resources,
- designing the parallel constructs in a way so that serial 
components are delineated from parallel components,
- designing and implementating a robust assumption tracking 
infrastructure (to avoid most forms of parallel 
deadlocks), 
- declaring and defining parallel closures (the building 
blocks of all parallel constructs).

Minesh B. Amin is the founder and CEO of MBA Sciences, which 
recently introduced the SPM.Python product that enables users 
to easily create parallel applications using an integrated 
Python API and framework. Minesh received his PhD in Computer 
Science from the University of Minnesota and moved to the 
Silicon Valley, developing software solutions at ViewLogic 
and Synopsys prior to starting MBA Sciences in 2006. He is a 
big fan of the Python language and in his spare time enjoys 
Pink Floyd, House, hiking and firing up a barbecue grill, 
though not necessarily in that order. :-)

Links: 
http://mbasciences.com/ 


..... 8:50 PM to 9:30 PM  ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, hiring, 
events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow up on the 
announcements and other interests.





From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Jul 19 06:12:40 2010
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:12:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tu 2010-07-20 BALUG meeting; & other BALUG news
Message-ID: <20100719061240.20306hdi0bmwqjwo@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG Tu 2010-07-20 BALUG meeting; & other BALUG news

In this issue (details further below):
2010-07-20: BALUG meeting
Linux/Ubuntu CDs
2010-08-21: Picn*x 19 - The Linux 19th Anniversary Picnic
2010-06-15: Michael Paoli on vi - materials/"slides"
"Working in the Business" (Linux, IT, etc.), panel discussion

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-07-20

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our 2010-07-20 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have
a specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that
doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings.  Got
questions, answers, and/or opinions?  We typically have some expert(s)
and/or relative expert(s) present to cover LINUX and related topic
areas.  Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and other
topics?  Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if
you wish.  Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to be
had.

Also, if you're interested and willing to do a talk/presentation at
a BALUG meeting, or do or may know someone that would be interested in
doing so, please feel free to drop us a note or contact us - you can
find the information on how to reach us on our main web page.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                    rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they help ensure that we'll be
able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                    6:30pm
                    Tuesday, July 20th, 2010 2010-07-20

                    Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                    731 Grant Ave.
                    San Francisco, CA 94108
                    Easy PARKING:
                      Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                      http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
          cash, we give you a gift of dinner ticket to join us for a yummy
          family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also
          helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to
          defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

We'll also have various Linux/Ubuntu CDs available at the 2010-07-20
BALUG meeting (and likely also future meetings as long as our supply
lasts/continues), most notably presently including:
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Desktop CD PC (Intel x86) i386
(also at least some Fedora, Knoppix, and other Ubuntu variants presently)
Thanks to Grant Bowman and the Ubuntu California Team for getting CDs to
us.

------------------------------

2010-08-21: Picn*x 19 - The Linux 19th Anniversary Picnic
http://www.linuxpicnic.org/

------------------------------

2010-06-15: The vi editor, introduction through advanced usage,  
presented by Michael Paoli
Looking for the materials/"slides" from last month's meeting?
For the "slides":
archived copy:
http://www.archive.balug.org/2010/2010-06-15/
from the speaker/presenter (may include updates):
http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/unix/vi/
and for the vi/ex quick reference tri-fold "cards" handed out:
http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/usd/12.vi/summary.pdf

------------------------------

"Working in the Business" (Linux, IT, etc.), panel discussion

BALUG is working to assemble panel (and moderator) for
"Working in the Business" (Linux, IT, etc.), panel discussion

Should make for very interesting, lively, informative and useful
discussion/presentation/"talk/debate".

For more information, and also
if you know someone you'd like as panelist or moderator (or are yourself
interested), and/or if you have specific topics/questions you'd like to
see covered by the panel,
PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT:
http://www.balug.org/#panel
At the present time we're ACTIVELY GATHERING INFORMATION ON POTENTIAL
PANELISTS, MODERATORS, available dates, etc., to plan and coordinate
this event.  Please also do feel free to pass this information along to
any contacts you feel appropriate that may be interested.

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Jul 19 13:13:58 2010
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:13:58 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Update: BALUG Tu 2010-07-20: Jim Stockford on
	documentation for	...
In-Reply-To: <20100719061240.20306hdi0bmwqjwo@webmail.rawbw.com>
References: <20100719061240.20306hdi0bmwqjwo@webmail.rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20100719131358.10865r04ohx3qnsw@webmail.rawbw.com>

Update, we do have speaker lined up for tomorrow's
BALUG Tu 2010-07-20 meeting.

For our Tu 2010-07-20 BALUG meeting we're proud to present,
Jim Stockford on documentation ...
See the BALUG main website for latest updates/description
and information (description and such may not yet be in its
"final" form):
http://www.balug.org/#Meetings-upcoming

Quoting "Michael Paoli" <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>:

> BALUG Tu 2010-07-20 BALUG meeting; & other BALUG news
>
> In this issue (details further below):
> 2010-07-20: BALUG meeting
> Linux/Ubuntu CDs
> 2010-08-21: Picn*x 19 - The Linux 19th Anniversary Picnic
> 2010-06-15: Michael Paoli on vi - materials/"slides"
> "Working in the Business" (Linux, IT, etc.), panel discussion
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
> Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-07-20
>
> Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).
>
> For our 2010-07-20 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have
> a specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that
> doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings.  Got
> questions, answers, and/or opinions?  We typically have some expert(s)
> and/or relative expert(s) present to cover LINUX and related topic
> areas.  Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and other
> topics?  Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if
> you wish.  Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to be
> had.
>
> Also, if you're interested and willing to do a talk/presentation at
> a BALUG meeting, or do or may know someone that would be interested in
> doing so, please feel free to drop us a note or contact us - you can
> find the information on how to reach us on our main web page.
>
> So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:
>
>                    rsvp at balug.org
>
> **Why RSVP??**
>
> Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
> Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they help ensure that we'll be
> able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room.
>
> Meeting Details...
>
>                    6:30pm
>                    Tuesday, July 20th, 2010 2010-07-20
>
>                    Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
>                    731 Grant Ave.
>                    San Francisco, CA 94108
>                    Easy PARKING:
>                      Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
>                      http://www.sfpsg.com/
>
> Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
>          cash, we give you a gift of dinner ticket to join us for a yummy
>          family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also
>          helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to
>          defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).
>
> ------------------------------
>
> We'll also have various Linux/Ubuntu CDs available at the 2010-07-20
> BALUG meeting (and likely also future meetings as long as our supply
> lasts/continues), most notably presently including:
> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Desktop CD PC (Intel x86) i386
> (also at least some Fedora, Knoppix, and other Ubuntu variants presently)
> Thanks to Grant Bowman and the Ubuntu California Team for getting CDs to
> us.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> 2010-08-21: Picn*x 19 - The Linux 19th Anniversary Picnic
> http://www.linuxpicnic.org/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> 2010-06-15: The vi editor, introduction through advanced usage,  
> presented by Michael Paoli
> Looking for the materials/"slides" from last month's meeting?
> For the "slides":
> archived copy:
> http://www.archive.balug.org/2010/2010-06-15/
> from the speaker/presenter (may include updates):
> http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/unix/vi/
> and for the vi/ex quick reference tri-fold "cards" handed out:
> http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/usd/12.vi/summary.pdf
>
> ------------------------------
>
> "Working in the Business" (Linux, IT, etc.), panel discussion
>
> BALUG is working to assemble panel (and moderator) for
> "Working in the Business" (Linux, IT, etc.), panel discussion
>
> Should make for very interesting, lively, informative and useful
> discussion/presentation/"talk/debate".
>
> For more information, and also
> if you know someone you'd like as panelist or moderator (or are yourself
> interested), and/or if you have specific topics/questions you'd like to
> see covered by the panel,
> PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT:
> http://www.balug.org/#panel
> At the present time we're ACTIVELY GATHERING INFORMATION ON POTENTIAL
> PANELISTS, MODERATORS, available dates, etc., to plan and coordinate
> this event.  Please also do feel free to pass this information along to
> any contacts you feel appropriate that may be interested.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
> should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
> things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> http://www.balug.org/




From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 16:43:08 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:43:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Software to flatten 3D shape for paper construction?
Message-ID: <4C44E30C.8020605@gmail.com>

Here's a product that takes a 3D data files (from CAD or Sketchup I 
assume) and creates a flattened version. You print this out on thick 
paper, cut on the lines, fold on the other lines, and glue it together.

http://www.tamasoft.co.jp/pepakura-en/

Windows only, of course.

Anyone know of something like this for Linux?
-- 
Sent from my ASR-33



From jim at well.com  Wed Jul 21 09:03:25 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:03:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] OpenDNS party for sysadms at DNA lounge in SF Wed July 28
Message-ID: <1279728205.1680.34.camel@jim-laptop>


At OpenDNS we're all about celebrating and honoring SysAdmins 
this month, and we're throwing a party on Wednesday, July 28, 
from 6 PM to 10 PM at DNA Lounge to celebrate SysAdmins. 

DNA Lounge, 375 Eleventh St., San Francisco, CA 94103

This is a party invitation to the SF Linux User Group -- we'd 
love to see as many SysAdmins and other tech-minded folks as 
we can! It should be a good time, w/ free drinks, delicious 
eats, smart conversation and so on.

Full details can be found here:
http://sysadminappreciation.eventbrite.com/
free admission, but it might be good to register on that site: 

Hope you can make it. 
openDNS 





From jim at well.com  Wed Jul 21 10:40:27 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:40:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Jr-Mid-Level Software Developer, Santa Clara,
 $65K to $80K
Message-ID: <1279734027.1680.64.camel@jim-laptop>



Job Title:  Jr-Mid Level Software Developer
Salary Range:  65k-80k
City:  Santa Clara

Job Description:

Department Description
The Oracle Solaris Userland Development team integrates a number 
of functional and business critical "Free and Open Source Software 
(FOSS)" components into the Oracle Solaris OS ensuring architectural 
and legals requirement are followed.

Brief Description
Integrate, update, test and maintain FOSS components within the 
Oracle Solaris OS whilst following both FOSS community trends and 
Oracle architectural/legal requirements.

Detailed Description
As a member of the Oracle Solaris Userland Development team, you 
will apply basic and intermediate knowledge of software architecture 
to perform software development tasks associated with porting/building, 
debugging, testing, integrating FOSS components in accordance with 
architectural, legal and business requirements.

Job Requirements
Duties and tasks are standard with some variation, displays 
understanding of roles, processes and procedures. Performs moderately 
complex problem solving with assistance and guidance in understanding 
and applying company policies and processes. BS degree or equivalent 
experience relevant to functional area. 2 years of software 
engineering or related experience.

Preferred Qualifications:
2 + years of Operating System Development experience 
Experience in Solaris OR UNIX/Linux system programming in C, C++, 
Java shell programming and makefiles 
Familiarity with Perl and/or Python is desirable.
Familiarity with multi-platform software construction tools, such as 
GNU autoconf.
BS in Computer Science or equivalent
Involvement with FOSS/membership with Open Source Communities 
Participation in open source development communities is desirable.
Ability to work independently and with a team.
Good communications skills


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Phone: +1 7195320503 | Mobile: +1 7193222867 
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From bill at wards.net  Wed Jul 21 12:00:04 2010
From: bill at wards.net (bill at wards.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:00:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] NEXT WEEK: PenLUG meeting 07/28/2010
Message-ID: <E1ObeWS-0005Jl-L5@mail.westernweb.com>

PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS:

   +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |Date:    |Wednesday, July 28, 2010                                      |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |Time:    |6:00 - 8:00 PM                                                |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |         |Bayshore Technology Park                                      |
   |Location:|1300 Island Drive                                             |
   |         |Redwood City, CA 94065                                        |
   |         |Suite 106 - Training Room                                     |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |         |Facebook:                                                     |
   |RSVP:    |http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=134568913249961         |
   |         |or mail rsvp at penlug.org                                       |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------------+

   Note we are now meeting on Wednesdays! Since March 2010, we moved to the
   fourth Wednesday of each month (except in November and December, when we
   will meet on the second Wednesday to avoid holiday conflicts). The meeting
   is hosted by NewlineNoosh. There is no sponsor for food/drinks, so please
   bring a potluck item to share.

   Agenda:

     * 6:00 PM Potluck snacks
     * 6:15 PM Free book giveaways or other prizes
     * 6:30 PM Presentation begins
     * 8:00 PM Meeting ends

  Essential IPv6 for the Linux Systems Administrator

   Owen will discuss the basics of IPv6, the current state of IPv4, the rapid
   reduction in IPv4 address space and what it means to you. He will also
   cover IPv6 Addressing methods including SLAAC, DHCP, Static and Privacy
   issues. Did you know all Windows 7, Vista, and 2008 Servers are running v6
   on your network and tunneling with Teredo? Also covered will be Linux
   addressing specifics and IPv6 configuration without a native v6 backbone
   available to you. For more information you can visit HE IPv6 Tunnel Broker
   or Hurricane Electric. See you there!

  Owen DeLong, Hurricane Electric

   Owen DeLong is an IPv6 Evangelist for Hurricane Electric, the leading IPv6
   ready Internet Service Provider. He*s also an elected member of the ARIN
   Advisory Council and a senior backbone engineer with more than 25 years of
   industry experience. In his spare time, he*s a commercial pilot and
   teaches SCUBA diving and CPR/First Aid courses. Owen can be reached at
   owen at delong dot com.

RSVP

  Although it is not required, we like to have an idea of how many
  people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you
  are planning to attend.

GETTING THERE

  For information on getting to the meeting, please see:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Island+Drive,+Redwood+City,+CA
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/DrivingDirectionsQualys
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/TransitDirectionsQualys

  Traffic on 101 can be pretty bad in the evening, so we encourage you
  to check traffic conditions before driving by dialing 5-1-1 on your
  phone or visiting www.511.org, and if possible to take public transit
  (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting.

MORE INFORMATION

  See www.penlug.org for more information.


This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists:
	members at penlug.org
	announce at penlug.org
	sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
	balug-talk at lists.balug.org
	svlug at lists.svlug.org
	svevents at yahoogroups.com
	vox at lists.lugod.org

  Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes.



From grantbow at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 21:45:12 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:45:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Why Apple products?
Message-ID: <AANLkTilBkPtDb56_lqAPqaqYAbnGzROGvsYNuM-Tp3pf@mail.gmail.com>

Here's an interesting video I wanted to mention after a discussion
tonight at the Noisebridge.net Linux Discussion meeting that meets
every Wednesday near 18th & Mission from 6 - 8.  It speaks to why
people care about Apple products, sometimes in a way disproportionate
with what they do and the technical specs of the products they
produce.

http://blog.ted.com/2010/05/how_great_leade.php

Cheers,

Grant Bowman



From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 22:04:22 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:04:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] pdns-recursor
In-Reply-To: <20100517022101.GH1322@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <555680.5012.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This thread dates back to the spring but my interest in it has been renewed by the recent announcement of the party put on by OpenDNS.
I believe I remember reading good things about them (probably on this list) and would be interested in opinions how they might fit into the discussions of setting up one's own name server.
My question specifically is:
if one is using unbound as a name server, is there any thing to be said for changing the default configuration (use of the root name servers) to using the OpenDNS servers? Their literature certainly indicates that response times will be less but one has to assume that there's some bias there.
If the answer is 'yes,' a follow up question might be how to do so, but I haven't looked into that yet.

cheers,
alex


a_kleider at yahoo.com


--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] pdns-recursor
> To: "Linux userGroup" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 7:21 PM
> Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com):
> 
> > Once again: thank you, Rick.
> > I thought I had it all figured out and almost didn't
> post the
> > question; ..glad I did. 
> 
> Just looking through the question you posed, though, I
> realise I
> probably didn't quite do it justice:
> 
> ? > From what I've read, the implication is that a
> 'recursive server'
> ? > (e.g. unbound) is a name server that is willing
> to _accept_ recursive
> ? > requests but itself uses _iteration_ (so in
> that sense is
> ? > 'iterative') to get the answer to the recursive
> request. 
> 
> Just to not confuse you:? You _are_ correct that a
> recursive nameserver
> like Unbound or PowerDNS Recursor itself may well use
> iteration to get the
> answer from elsewhere a step at a time.? But we call a
> nameserver
> iterative or recursive based on how it _answers_ queries to
> DNS clients,
> not how it asks them of various upstream authoritative
> nameservers to
> acquire information it doesn't yet have in cache.
> 
> The point is that any query, either one from a DNS client
> or one from a
> recursive nameserver to a different nameserver to acquire
> information,
> can have the RD bit set, requesting 'Please, if you're
> willing, Mr.
> Nameserver, don't just tell me you don't have the answer to
> my query in
> cache.? Instead, go chase down the information at
> other nameservers and
> get back to me with either the ultimate answer or "No such
> entity".'
> 
> The 'no such entity' answer, by the way, is called
> NXDOMAIN, which
> you'll sometimes see in dig results.? E.g.:
> 
> $ dig i-dont-exist.com
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
> NXDOMAIN, id: 41353
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1,
> ADDITIONAL: 0
> 
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 900? ???IN? ?
> ? SOA? ???a.gtld-servers.net.
> nstld.verisign-grs.com. 1274062271 1800 900 604800 86400
> $
> 
> You might be interested to know that adding the '+trace'
> flag to a dig 
> query causes it to send out a series of queries with _no_
> RD bit, such
> that dig itself works down the delegation chain, sending a
> bunch of
> iterative queries.? Example:
> 
> $ dig uncle-enzo.linuxmafia.com @ns1.linuxmafia.com +trace
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? h.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? g.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? k.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? j.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? e.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? m.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? d.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? f.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? i.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? c.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? b.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? l.root-servers.net.
> .? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???231480? IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? a.root-servers.net.
> ;; Received 272 bytes from
> 198.144.195.186#53(198.144.195.186) in 3 ms
> 
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? a.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? b.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? c.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? d.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? e.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? f.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? g.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? h.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? i.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? j.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? k.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? l.gtld-servers.net.
> com.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 172800? IN? ? ? NS?
> ? ? m.gtld-servers.net.
> ;; Received 506 bytes from
> 128.63.2.53#53(h.root-servers.net) in 4875 ms
> 
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???172800? IN? ? ?
> NS? ? ? ns.primate.net.
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???172800? IN? ? ?
> NS? ? ? ns.tx.primate.net.
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???172800? IN? ? ?
> NS? ? ? ns1.linuxmafia.com.
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???172800? IN? ? ?
> NS? ? ? ns1.thecoop.net.
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???172800? IN? ? ?
> NS? ? ? ns2.linuxmafia.com.
> ;; Received 261 bytes from
> 192.33.14.30#53(b.gtld-servers.net) in 5380 ms
> 
> uncle-enzo.linuxmafia.com. 86400 IN?
> ???A? ?
> ???198.144.195.186
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???86400???IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? ns1.thecoop.net.
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???86400???IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? ns.tx.primate.net.
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???86400???IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? ns.primate.net.
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???86400???IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? ns2.linuxmafia.com.
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???86400???IN? ?
> ? NS? ? ? ns1.linuxmafia.com.
> ;; Received 201 bytes from
> 198.144.195.186#53(ns1.linuxmafia.com) in 3755 ms
> $
> 
> 
> So, dig starts by asking ns1.linuxmafia.com where the root
> nameservers
> are.? Then, dig asks one of the root nameservers
> (h.root-servers.net) 
> what the .com nameservers are.? Then, dig asks one of
> the .com
> nameservers (b.gtld-servers.net) what linuxmafia.com's
> nameservers are.
> Last, dig asks one of linuxmafia.com's nameservers
> (ns1.linuxmafia.com)
> what uncle-enzo.linuxmafia.com is.
> 
> dig's +trace option is pretty much the opposite of sending
> out a query
> to your local recursive nameserver with the 'RD' bit set
> and asking it
> to do all your work for you.? '+trace', by contrast,
> is deliberately
> leaving that bit off on a 'never mind; I'll do it myself'
> basis.
> 
> You might say I dig dig.? ;->
> 
> 
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Jul 21 23:47:14 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:47:14 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] pdns-recursor
In-Reply-To: <555680.5012.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20100517022101.GH1322@linuxmafia.com>
	<555680.5012.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100722064714.GS17041@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com):

[OpenDNS:]

> I believe I remember reading good things about them (probably on this
> list) and would be interested in opinions how they might fit into the
> discussions of setting up one's own name server.
> 
> My question specifically is:
> 
> if one is using unbound as a name server, is there any thing to be
> said for changing the default configuration (use of the root name
> servers) to using the OpenDNS servers? Their literature certainly
> indicates that response times will be less but one has to assume that
> there's some bias there.
> 
> If the answer is 'yes,' a follow up question might be how to do so,
> but I haven't looked into that yet.

Some aspects to consider.


1.  Response time:  Their literature is correct that their (OpenDNS's)
response time is generally going to be better than using typical ISP
nameservers that are remote from your local LAN.  By contrast, their
response time cannot help being much worse that running a _local_ 
nameserver such as you do with Unbound.

If that's not obvious, draw a crude network diagram, consider the effect
of the fact that most DNS lookups against Unbound will be cache hits,
and note that the slowest link is probably the one between your local 
LAN and your immediate upstream (your ISP).


2.  Initial cache:   Imagine one machine on your local network whose DNS
client (via /etc/resolv.conf) is configured to consult (local) Unbound,
and a second machine on your local network whose DNS client is
configured to consult (remote) OpenDNS.  Imagine that you've _just now_ 
started up the Unbound process.

Machine #1 is going to hit an empty cache (in Unbound), because Unbound
just started.  Unbound will need to recursively fetch the answer from
the Internet before answering the question.  Meanwhile, machine #2 will 
be almost certainly getting served OpenDNS's answer straight out of its 
cache, because OpenDNS's software has been building its (probably huge)
rolling cache for a long time.  (Of course, it's responses will always
come with transit delay over the ISP link; see point #1.)  So, the
immediate situation upon startup will favour OpenDNS because of cache
hits.  This difference will evaporate quickly, though.  If you mostly
leave the Unbound process running, the OpenDNS initial advantage doesn't 
recur.


3.  Correct vs. incorrect results:   Unbound gives categorically correct
responses to queries, including responding "NXDOMAIN" (no such host)
on queries that don't resolve.   OpenDNS deliberately breaks DNS RFC
standards to give a deliberately wrong answer (except when responding to
people who're purchasing paid OpenDNS services as opposed to the
free-of-charge service) whenever the correct answer is "NXDOMAIN".

Here is a query of a non-existent host against the copy of BIND9 running
on my server (reached as IP 127.0.0.1 = localhost):

$ dig i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com @127.0.0.1 
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 60614
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
linuxmafia.com.         10800   IN      SOA     ns1.linuxmafia.com.
rick.deirdre.NET. 2010062201 7200 3600 2419200 10800
$


Note the 'status: NXDOMAIN'.  That's the answer.  It says there is no
such DNS entity as i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com.

The IP addresses of OpenDNS's free-of-charge service are 208.67.222.222
and 208.67.220.220.  Let's see what happens when we ask one of them the
same question:

$ dig i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com @208.67.222.222
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 2851
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; ANSWER SECTION:
i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com. 0  IN      A       67.215.65.132
$

OpenDNS says 'Yes, I do know what host i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com is.
It's a real DNS entry, and it resolves to IP address 67.215.65.132.

Why do they deliberately break DNS RFC standards to issue grossly
incorrect answers?  Because that's how their business model works.  
The 67.215.65.132 IP address is that of an OpenDNS-operated Web server,
AKA guide.opendns.com .  _If_ your query is on behalf of a Web browser, 
then the result is that your Web browser shows that server's Web pages
instead of timing out on an effort to look up a nonexistent host.  The
Web server provides (typically) suggestions about what you might have
meant to type, e.g., 'Maybe you meant to type www.google.com instead of 
wwww.google.com' or such.  Plus it serves you advertising.  The
advertising helps fund OpenDNS's operations.

If your query is _not_ on behalf of a Web browser, then the software in
question gets misleading information from DNS.  E.g., you might have
been trying to send e-mail to 'somebody at yahoo.com', but instead typed
'somebody at yahooo.com'.  Ordinarily, your e-mail client would interpret
the NXDOMAIN DNS result as an SMTP delivery failure right away.  Because
OpenDNS is giving a deliberately wrong false positive, your e-mail
client will attempt an SMTP session to 67.215.65.132 .

You make up your own mind, but I personally object strongly to software
that deliberately breaks key Internet standards, especially when I can
run better software locally, instead.


4.  Security of the DNS server.  Compared to typical ISP recursive
nameservice, OpenDNS service almost certainly has a much better
likelihood of being secure against compromise by remote attackers, but
only because typical ISP nameservice is really bad in that area.
The comparison to a good local recursive nameserver such as an instance
of Unbound is a different matter.  Even with halfassed administration,
you are likely to run a more secure installation than OpenDNS's because,
although they might have a slight edge in having an alert Network
Operations staff in charge, you have the advantage of tighter control
over what queries your nameserver will accept and from where, which
means you can more easily avoid DNS cache poisoning, one of the main
types of remote attack against recursive nameservers.


5.  Anti-phishing/malware/etc.  In addition to providing deliberately 
incorrect answers in place of NXDOMAIN, OpenDNS also carefully avoids
giving you correct IP return values when they are on OpenDNS's
maintained blacklist of Very Bad People sites, e.g., sites believed to
be attempting to publish MS-Windows malware.  In other words, OpenDNS 
filters the world to 'protect' you from getting correct DNS-returned IP
addresses of sites OpenDNS doesn't think you should visit.

Again, you make up your own mind, but I am uncomfortable with some
strangers, even well-intended and reputable ones such as David Ulevich's
OpenDNS staff, deciding which correct DNS answers I should receive
versus which ones should be withheld from me for my own good.  If I want
to filter my DNS, I'll do it locally according to _my_ filtering
criteria.



6.  Privacy.  When you configure your DNS clients to use OpenDNS
services, OpenDNS's nameservers acquire real-time information on all
nameservice resolutions you and your users perform.  By contrast, when
you use a local recursive server (such as Unbound) under your sole
control, that DNS-level loggable information is available only locally,
i.e., logged by _you_ and available to you only.

It should be noted that all of your packets pass through your upstream
connectivity provider's (ISP's) routers, so a nosy ISP (or an intruder
who compromised your ISP's routers) could acquire much of the same
inforamtion there.   However, one difference is that the quantity of
detailed, real-time information available there is much less if you use
a local recursive nameserver (because of cache hits).  Also, your ISP 
has a legal, contractual obligation of good faith and fair dealing that
makes it a serious tort offense to violate your privacy, whereas you do
not have the same contractual obligation from OpenDNS.



Lineus bottomus:   OpenDNS (or Google Public DNS, for that matter) is
arguably a big step forward over using your local ISP recursive
nameserver -- but that's setting the bar pretty low.  Running your own
local nameserver, instead, is in my view a much larger step forward.  

Your mileage may differ.<tm>


By the way, I've written about all this in the recent past:
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/googledns.html
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lan.html

-- 
Cheers,             The genius of you Americans is that you never make 
Rick Moen           clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves 
rick at linuxmafia.com that make us wonder at the possibility that there may be 
McQ!  (4x80)        something to them that we are missing. --Gamel Abdel Nasser



From jim at well.com  Thu Jul 22 13:14:58 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:14:58 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] computer forensics "show" in SF in November
Message-ID: <1279829698.1666.60.camel@jim-laptop>


(as seen on the lugod vox mailing list: ) 

--------------------------------------

Received this today. I know nothing about this, but thought it
might be of interest to some folks out here, so am passing it 
along. Enjoy!
-bill!

----- Forwarded message from Becky Vandorn -----

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:21:56 -0400
From: "Becky Vandorn"
Subject: Press Release Computer Forensics Show

   FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
    
   Mr. Frank Manley
   Show Director
   The Computer Forensics Show
   94 Field Point Circle
   Greenwich, CT  06830
   Phone (203) 661-4312
   Fax (203) 869-0283
   fmanley at computerforensicshow.com
   www.computerforensicshow.com
                                        

 For some companies, it is not a question of if one of their computers
will be used as evidence in a legal matter; it is a question of when.

                          The Computer Forensics Show
                               November 1-2, 2010
                         Ft.  Mason  Convention Center
                               San Francisco, CA

   The producers of The Computer Forensics Show would like to invite you
to come see us from November 1 to November 2, 2010 in San Francisco,
California.

   The Computer Forensics Show is the *Don*t Miss* event of the year for
all Legal, Accounting, IT Security, Risk Management, and Law Enforcement
Professionals! The shows hold the unique position in the marketplace as
the only show that brings together the three essential marketplaces that
exhibitors want to reach, Legal, IT, and Accounting. The show provides
the latest information regarding the changes and advancements in the IT
security marketplace and is quickly becoming the essential venue for
professionals to stay informed about their industry.

   Each show event will highlight exhibits from some of the leading
companies in the industry, complemented by a comprehensive conference
program to provide attendees with important information about the latest
technological advancement, ideas and practical information available
today.

   This year, we are pleased to announce our partnership with InfoSec
Institute, which will offer information security training courses
designed specifically for show attendees. Infosec Institute has trained
thousands of IT Security professionals since 1998 and will be presenting
the following courses:
    
   Computer Forensics - CCFE Boot Camp - 3 Days
   Advanced Computer Forensics - 3 Days
   Cell Phone Forensics - 2 Days
   Live Memory Forensics - 2 Days
   Linux Forensics - 3 Days
   Mac Forensics - 3 Days
   Reverse Engineering Malware - CREA Boot Camp - 3 Days
   Ethical Hacking - CPT/CEH Boot Camp - 3 Days
    
   By most estimates, 90% of legal evidence resides in computer systems,
rather than on paper. Cases involving corporate trade secrets, personal
and commercial disputes, employee discrimination, misdemeanor and felony
crimes and personal injury can be won or lost solely with the
introduction of recovered e-mail messages and other electronic files and
records.

   Today's business environment continues to become more and more
complex with strict regulatory and compliance requirements, increased
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of information today is created and available only in an electronic
format, electronic data and the ability to properly address it in a
defensible manner are increasingly critical to the legal process. These
services are vital to any individual, company, or law practice with
cases that deal with sensitive information stored on digital media.

   We look forward to seeing you!
   For more information regarding the shows, please email:
    info at computerforensicshow.com
   Or visit our website:  www.computerforensicshow.com

   For speaking opportunities at the Computer Forensics Show's
conference pleas visit: http://www.computerforensicshow.com/CALL FOR
PAPERS 2010. The submission due date has been extended until July 30th.

   Listen to what attendees are saying about the show.

   I found the tracks to be very informative as well as educational 
and look forward to more showings such as this in the near future. 
I also like to say I was pleased with the vendors that where in 
attendance. I am always in search of new and great application to 
better perform security task required. I look forward to seeing you 
again soon in the San Francisco Forensics Show coming in November.
   Ronald E. Hemenway
   Cyberbodyguards Inc.

  The computer forensic show provides valuable networking and
educational opportunities. It is exciting to see a forensic 
conference of this caliber in San Francisco."
 Thanks,
 Ondrej Krehel
 Information Security Officer
 Identity Theft 911, LLC
                                   #   #   #

----- End forwarded message -----

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From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 16:09:35 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] pdns-recursor
In-Reply-To: <20100722064714.GS17041@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <928351.16749.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yet again, Rick, thanks.
I'll let unbound, running on my Sheevaplug 24/7, (continue to) do the job and forget about OpenDNS.
cheers,
alex

a_kleider at yahoo.com


--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] pdns-recursor
> To: "Linux userGroup" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 11:47 PM
> Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com):
> 
> [OpenDNS:]
> 
> > I believe I remember reading good things about them
> (probably on this
> > list) and would be interested in opinions how they
> might fit into the
> > discussions of setting up one's own name server.
> > 
> > My question specifically is:
> > 
> > if one is using unbound as a name server, is there any
> thing to be
> > said for changing the default configuration (use of
> the root name
> > servers) to using the OpenDNS servers? Their
> literature certainly
> > indicates that response times will be less but one has
> to assume that
> > there's some bias there.
> > 
> > If the answer is 'yes,' a follow up question might be
> how to do so,
> > but I haven't looked into that yet.
> 
> Some aspects to consider.
> 
> 
> 1.? Response time:? Their literature is correct
> that their (OpenDNS's)
> response time is generally going to be better than using
> typical ISP
> nameservers that are remote from your local LAN.? By
> contrast, their
> response time cannot help being much worse that running a
> _local_ 
> nameserver such as you do with Unbound.
> 
> If that's not obvious, draw a crude network diagram,
> consider the effect
> of the fact that most DNS lookups against Unbound will be
> cache hits,
> and note that the slowest link is probably the one between
> your local 
> LAN and your immediate upstream (your ISP).
> 
> 
> 2.? Initial cache:???Imagine one
> machine on your local network whose DNS
> client (via /etc/resolv.conf) is configured to consult
> (local) Unbound,
> and a second machine on your local network whose DNS client
> is
> configured to consult (remote) OpenDNS.? Imagine that
> you've _just now_ 
> started up the Unbound process.
> 
> Machine #1 is going to hit an empty cache (in Unbound),
> because Unbound
> just started.? Unbound will need to recursively fetch
> the answer from
> the Internet before answering the question.?
> Meanwhile, machine #2 will 
> be almost certainly getting served OpenDNS's answer
> straight out of its 
> cache, because OpenDNS's software has been building its
> (probably huge)
> rolling cache for a long time.? (Of course, it's
> responses will always
> come with transit delay over the ISP link; see point
> #1.)? So, the
> immediate situation upon startup will favour OpenDNS
> because of cache
> hits.? This difference will evaporate quickly,
> though.? If you mostly
> leave the Unbound process running, the OpenDNS initial
> advantage doesn't 
> recur.
> 
> 
> 3.? Correct vs. incorrect
> results:???Unbound gives categorically
> correct
> responses to queries, including responding "NXDOMAIN" (no
> such host)
> on queries that don't resolve.???OpenDNS
> deliberately breaks DNS RFC
> standards to give a deliberately wrong answer (except when
> responding to
> people who're purchasing paid OpenDNS services as opposed
> to the
> free-of-charge service) whenever the correct answer is
> "NXDOMAIN".
> 
> Here is a query of a non-existent host against the copy of
> BIND9 running
> on my server (reached as IP 127.0.0.1 = localhost):
> 
> $ dig i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com @127.0.0.1 
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
> NXDOMAIN, id: 60614
> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1,
> ADDITIONAL: 0
> 
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> linuxmafia.com.? ? ?
> ???10800???IN? ?
> ? SOA? ???ns1.linuxmafia.com.
> rick.deirdre.NET. 2010062201 7200 3600 2419200 10800
> $
> 
> 
> Note the 'status: NXDOMAIN'.? That's the answer.?
> It says there is no
> such DNS entity as i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com.
> 
> The IP addresses of OpenDNS's free-of-charge service are
> 208.67.222.222
> and 208.67.220.220.? Let's see what happens when we
> ask one of them the
> same question:
> 
> $ dig i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com @208.67.222.222
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR,
> id: 2851
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0,
> ADDITIONAL: 0
> 
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com. 0? IN? ? ?
> A? ? ???67.215.65.132
> $
> 
> OpenDNS says 'Yes, I do know what host
> i-dont-exist.linuxmafia.com is.
> It's a real DNS entry, and it resolves to IP address
> 67.215.65.132.
> 
> Why do they deliberately break DNS RFC standards to issue
> grossly
> incorrect answers?? Because that's how their business
> model works.? 
> The 67.215.65.132 IP address is that of an OpenDNS-operated
> Web server,
> AKA guide.opendns.com .? _If_ your query is on behalf
> of a Web browser, 
> then the result is that your Web browser shows that
> server's Web pages
> instead of timing out on an effort to look up a nonexistent
> host.? The
> Web server provides (typically) suggestions about what you
> might have
> meant to type, e.g., 'Maybe you meant to type
> www.google.com instead of 
> wwww.google.com' or such.? Plus it serves you
> advertising.? The
> advertising helps fund OpenDNS's operations.
> 
> If your query is _not_ on behalf of a Web browser, then the
> software in
> question gets misleading information from DNS.? E.g.,
> you might have
> been trying to send e-mail to 'somebody at yahoo.com',
> but instead typed
> 'somebody at yahooo.com'.?
> Ordinarily, your e-mail client would interpret
> the NXDOMAIN DNS result as an SMTP delivery failure right
> away.? Because
> OpenDNS is giving a deliberately wrong false positive, your
> e-mail
> client will attempt an SMTP session to 67.215.65.132 .
> 
> You make up your own mind, but I personally object strongly
> to software
> that deliberately breaks key Internet standards, especially
> when I can
> run better software locally, instead.
> 
> 
> 4.? Security of the DNS server.? Compared to
> typical ISP recursive
> nameservice, OpenDNS service almost certainly has a much
> better
> likelihood of being secure against compromise by remote
> attackers, but
> only because typical ISP nameservice is really bad in that
> area.
> The comparison to a good local recursive nameserver such as
> an instance
> of Unbound is a different matter.? Even with halfassed
> administration,
> you are likely to run a more secure installation than
> OpenDNS's because,
> although they might have a slight edge in having an alert
> Network
> Operations staff in charge, you have the advantage of
> tighter control
> over what queries your nameserver will accept and from
> where, which
> means you can more easily avoid DNS cache poisoning, one of
> the main
> types of remote attack against recursive nameservers.
> 
> 
> 5.? Anti-phishing/malware/etc.? In addition to
> providing deliberately 
> incorrect answers in place of NXDOMAIN, OpenDNS also
> carefully avoids
> giving you correct IP return values when they are on
> OpenDNS's
> maintained blacklist of Very Bad People sites, e.g., sites
> believed to
> be attempting to publish MS-Windows malware.? In other
> words, OpenDNS 
> filters the world to 'protect' you from getting correct
> DNS-returned IP
> addresses of sites OpenDNS doesn't think you should visit.
> 
> Again, you make up your own mind, but I am uncomfortable
> with some
> strangers, even well-intended and reputable ones such as
> David Ulevich's
> OpenDNS staff, deciding which correct DNS answers I should
> receive
> versus which ones should be withheld from me for my own
> good.? If I want
> to filter my DNS, I'll do it locally according to _my_
> filtering
> criteria.
> 
> 
> 
> 6.? Privacy.? When you configure your DNS clients
> to use OpenDNS
> services, OpenDNS's nameservers acquire real-time
> information on all
> nameservice resolutions you and your users perform.?
> By contrast, when
> you use a local recursive server (such as Unbound) under
> your sole
> control, that DNS-level loggable information is available
> only locally,
> i.e., logged by _you_ and available to you only.
> 
> It should be noted that all of your packets pass through
> your upstream
> connectivity provider's (ISP's) routers, so a nosy ISP (or
> an intruder
> who compromised your ISP's routers) could acquire much of
> the same
> inforamtion there.???However, one difference
> is that the quantity of
> detailed, real-time information available there is much
> less if you use
> a local recursive nameserver (because of cache hits).?
> Also, your ISP 
> has a legal, contractual obligation of good faith and fair
> dealing that
> makes it a serious tort offense to violate your privacy,
> whereas you do
> not have the same contractual obligation from OpenDNS.
> 
> 
> 
> Lineus bottomus:???OpenDNS (or Google Public
> DNS, for that matter) is
> arguably a big step forward over using your local ISP
> recursive
> nameserver -- but that's setting the bar pretty low.?
> Running your own
> local nameserver, instead, is in my view a much larger step
> forward.? 
> 
> Your mileage may differ.<tm>
> 
> 
> By the way, I've written about all this in the recent
> past:
> http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/googledns.html
> http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lan.html
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,? ? ? ? ?
> ???The genius of you Americans is that you
> never make 
> Rick Moen? ? ? ?
> ???clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated
> stupid moves 
> rick at linuxmafia.com
> that make us wonder at the possibility that there may be 
> McQ!? (4x80)? ? ? ? something to
> them that we are missing. --Gamel Abdel Nasser
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> 


      



From jim at well.com  Thu Jul 22 23:29:43 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:29:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Service Engineer, Sunnyvale, $80 to 120K
Message-ID: <1279866583.1666.143.camel@jim-laptop>


SERVICE ENGINEER @ Yahoo!

-Full Time / Contract-To-Hire
-Location: Sunnyvale, CA
-Salary: $80K to $120K DOE 

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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Jul 23 17:27:18 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:27:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] pdns-recursor
In-Reply-To: <20100722064714.GS17041@linuxmafia.com>
References: <20100517022101.GH1322@linuxmafia.com>
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Alex, just an afterthought about Unbound and similar recursive 
DNS nameservers:

One of the interesting points of comparison among recursive daemons is
binary footprint.  I just got some data on this from Sam Trenholme, 
who's just released a new entry, named "Deadwood" (beta, so not quite
production-ready)

dnscache (stock version):  45,016 bytes
Deadwood 2.9.01 beta:  64,418 bytes
PowerDNS Recursor:  503,860 bytes
Unbound:  1,745,920 bytes
BIND9:  4,055,552 bytes

This is one of the reasons why I and many other sysadmins have a
troubled relationship with BIND9 ;-> , and why I've been an advocate for 
PowerDNS recursor and Unbound on the recursive side, and for NSD where
one must do authoritative service.  (Authoritative service is when you
are serving up a domain's DNS content for yourself or a friend, where
it's your or your friend's domain.)


Here's information about Sam's beta:
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/dns-servers.html#deadwood




From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 19:45:50 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:45:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] pdns-recursor
In-Reply-To: <20100724002718.GA9683@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <133505.75316.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Again, thanks.

Some thing else comes to mind:

The cache unbound keeps: is it only in memory or does it write to disk? If it's the latter, I think I'd be advised to change the default or use a symlink so that the data goes to the attached external hard drive rather than the sd card that is serving in place of a hard drive (housing the OS) on the plug.

Am I thinking appropriately in this regard?

cheers,
alex

a_kleider at yahoo.com


--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] pdns-recursor
> To: "Linux userGroup" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 5:27 PM
> Alex, just an afterthought about
> Unbound and similar recursive 
> DNS nameservers:
> 
> One of the interesting points of comparison among recursive
> daemons is
> binary footprint.? I just got some data on this from
> Sam Trenholme, 
> who's just released a new entry, named "Deadwood" (beta, so
> not quite
> production-ready)
> 
> dnscache (stock version):? 45,016 bytes
> Deadwood 2.9.01 beta:? 64,418 bytes
> PowerDNS Recursor:? 503,860 bytes
> Unbound:? 1,745,920 bytes
> BIND9:? 4,055,552 bytes
> 
> This is one of the reasons why I and many other sysadmins
> have a
> troubled relationship with BIND9 ;-> , and why I've been
> an advocate for 
> PowerDNS recursor and Unbound on the recursive side, and
> for NSD where
> one must do authoritative service.? (Authoritative
> service is when you
> are serving up a domain's DNS content for yourself or a
> friend, where
> it's your or your friend's domain.)
> 
> 
> Here's information about Sam's beta:
> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/dns-servers.html#deadwood
> 
> 
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Jul 23 19:53:15 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:53:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] pdns-recursor
In-Reply-To: <133505.75316.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20100724002718.GA9683@linuxmafia.com>
	<133505.75316.qm@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100724025315.GH17041@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Alex Kleider (a_kleider at yahoo.com):

> Again, thanks.

Since I have a good opportunity to say this:  The data as presented were
_slightly_ misleading, albeit in the right ballpark.  I've corrected
them as present in
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/dns-servers.html#deadwood

> The cache unbound keeps: is it only in memory or does it write to disk? 

My recollection is that it's strictly in RAM.

You might want to check the docs, as that's from memory.

> If it's the latter, I think I'd be advised to change the default or
> use a symlink so that the data goes to the attached external hard
> drive rather than the sd card that is serving in place of a hard drive
> (housing the OS) on the plug.
> 
> Am I thinking appropriately in this regard?

Yes.




From bliss at sfo.com  Sat Jul 24 14:45:16 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:45:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
Message-ID: <sig.5821b3b7ce.4C4B5EEC.5010203@sfo.com>


     Doing laundry (facility in building basement)
    Then I went to the basement and found a discarded complete Power 
Computing
Apple with modem, and keyboard and a Kensington trackball.  That 
trackball works.
         If any one is interested let me know and I will try to keep 
this stuff together.

     later
     bliss






From larry.cafiero at gmail.com  Sat Jul 24 15:09:24 2010
From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:09:24 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
In-Reply-To: <sig.5821b3b7ce.4C4B5EEC.5010203@sfo.com>
References: <sig.5821b3b7ce.4C4B5EEC.5010203@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimkLQuC5Om1szbZbS5Fvm5K3E+jtBbENMi4XKoc@mail.gmail.com>

If history serves, the Power Computing hardware has a PowerPC processor, and
distros are sprinting away from that architecture at a world-record pace
(sadly, if I may editorialize).

Just a caveat for those thinking of giving it a home. Meanwhile, I've had
the best luck with Debian, OpenSUSE and Fedora on PowerPC hardware, and
there's always Yellow Dog (which is called something else, now that they put
all their proverbial eggs in the PS3 basket).

Larry Cafiero

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com> wrote:

>
>    Doing laundry (facility in building basement)
>   Then I went to the basement and found a discarded complete Power
> Computing
> Apple with modem, and keyboard and a Kensington trackball.  That trackball
> works.
>        If any one is interested let me know and I will try to keep this
> stuff together.
>
>    later
>    bliss
>
>
>
>
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Jul 24 16:09:04 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:09:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
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Hi,

Bobbie, I have to agree with Larry Cafiero on this point.  We are probably
not going to be able to use that old Apple machine for our schools project.
Thx for mentioning it, though!

On Jul 24, 2010 2:45 PM, "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss at sfo.com> wrote:


   Doing laundry (facility in building basement)
  Then I went to the basement and found a discarded complete Power Computing
Apple with modem, and keyboard and a Kensington trackball.  That trackball
works.
       If any one is interested let me know and I will try to keep this
stuff together.

   later
   bliss
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul 26 00:18:52 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 00:18:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
In-Reply-To: <sig.5821b3b7ce.4C4B5EEC.5010203@sfo.com>
References: <sig.5821b3b7ce.4C4B5EEC.5010203@sfo.com>
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Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):

>     Doing laundry (facility in building basement)
> Then I went to the basement and found a discarded complete Power
> Computing Apple with modem, and keyboard and a Kensington
> trackball.  That trackball works.
>         If any one is interested let me know and I will try to keep
> this stuff together.

You didn't post the model.

Power Computing's models sarted with one based on an 80MHz PowerPC model 
601 CPU in 1995, coming standard with a whole 16 MB of 72-pin, 80ns SIMM
memory -- explandable in theory to 200 MB, which nearly nobody had, back
then.  That changed to the very slightly faster model 604 CPU (180 and
166 MHz) in 1996, then the 604e, then in 1997 they _announced_ (but
never shipped) a final model that would have been based on a 250 MHz G3
PowerPC.  And then they folded.

Comparable Intel models of the day were the Pentium MMX and Pentium II.

Best and highest use would be to run Mac OS 9.1 on it.





From sverma at sfsu.edu  Mon Jul 26 11:12:34 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:12:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimkLQuC5Om1szbZbS5Fvm5K3E+jtBbENMi4XKoc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sig.5821b3b7ce.4C4B5EEC.5010203@sfo.com>
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On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero at gmail.com> wrote:
> If history serves, the Power Computing hardware has a PowerPC processor, and
> distros are sprinting away from that architecture at a world-record pace
> (sadly, if I may editorialize).
>
> Just a caveat for those thinking of giving it a home. Meanwhile, I've had
> the best luck with Debian, OpenSUSE and Fedora on PowerPC hardware, and
> there's always Yellow Dog (which is called something else, now that they put
> all their proverbial eggs in the PS3 basket).
>
> Larry Cafiero
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com> wrote:
>>
>> ? ?Doing laundry (facility in building basement)
>> ? Then I went to the basement and found a discarded complete Power
>> Computing
>> Apple with modem, and keyboard and a Kensington trackball. ?That trackball
>> works.
>> ? ? ? ?If any one is interested let me know and I will try to keep this
>> stuff together.
>>
>> ? ?later
>> ? ?bliss
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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>

I do have a PowerPC iBook with 256MB RAM that I use as a Asterisk
server with Ubuntu 10.04 PPC This is not "official" but it still lives
at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/

FAQ on Ubuntu PPC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From larry.cafiero at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 11:23:30 2010
From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:23:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikD_sa+X8h=DbCt06LBOxfG-i6Ttfx7ithzgAg1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sig.5821b3b7ce.4C4B5EEC.5010203@sfo.com>
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Thanks, Sameer. At the risk of getting me on a soapbox, there are versions
of Linux that will run on PPC architecture that are still out there, as I
mentioned earlier, and while PPC may be an architecture used by less than 1
percent of Linux users (a stat I seem to have read somewhere) despite the
fact it's a great processor and works fantastically on hardware that won't
seem to die (i.e., Apple's New World hardware).

As an aside, while I was a MacMarine in the '90s, I remember fondly the
PowerComputing "attitude" of "fighting back for the Mac" -- with booth
denizens at Macworld dressed in fatigues -- during the time Apple was
circling the wagons and when it was completely feasible it might go under.

Larry Cafiero

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:

>
> I do have a PowerPC iBook with 256MB RAM that I use as a Asterisk
> server with Ubuntu 10.04 PPC This is not "official" but it still lives
> at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/
>
> FAQ on Ubuntu PPC - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor, Information Systems
> Director, Campus Business Solutions
> San Francisco State University
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
> http://is.sfsu.edu/
>
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul 26 12:14:20 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:14:20 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikD_sa+X8h=DbCt06LBOxfG-i6Ttfx7ithzgAg1@mail.gmail.com>
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Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu):

> I do have a PowerPC iBook with 256MB RAM that I use as a Asterisk
> server with Ubuntu 10.04 PPC This is not "official" but it still lives
> at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/

Note that your iBook is going to inevitably be a _vastly_ faster and
more capable machine than a 1995-7-era Power Computing box.  That firm
never even got a G3 out the door.

(I have a G3 iBook, too, and still love it.)




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul 26 12:16:36 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:16:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinq3gfdFXYDRtsNCvApozdbt2mAT=WDBYkvi=Ph@mail.gmail.com>
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Quoting Larry Cafiero (larry.cafiero at gmail.com):

> Thanks, Sameer. At the risk of getting me on a soapbox, there are versions
> of Linux that will run on PPC architecture that are still out there, as I
> mentioned earlier....

And CABAL can help you load pretty much any/all of them, and duplicate
our Linux and BSD installation media for you.

See:
http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros




From cymraegish at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 19:04:29 2010
From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:04:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
In-Reply-To: <20100726191636.GR22299@linuxmafia.com>
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I got some parts to fix up my powermac8500 from an old powercomputing
machine, got a faster cpu and more importantly some RAM.

I have run on the 8500 older versions of Linux which I need to run
some old research software (in terms of science 10 years can be still
very citable and useable but the libraries and so forth porting issues
to newer systems are for me at least impossible).

Have recently installed and run Ubuntu10 with the LXDE desktop on
300mhz powerbook, it is sweet I have to say. For a long time I just
stick with Debian, however this try with Ubuntu it seems that the
"community supported" version unofficial for powerpc is very well
done.

FYI I have a macbook but Debian AMD64 unstable got trashed in an
update/upgrade and I am thinking to go with Ubuntu here too. In the
meantime I am tempted to say that the powerpc Ubuntu is the best I
have run of all the linux versions. I don't know why anyone wants to
run an rpm based distro unless they have to, and I don't see why one
needs more than a few choices of distros anyway -- isn't four or so
more than adequate ??

Brian

P.S. If no one takes the machine I can salvage parts maybe and take
remains to goodwill for salvage, that is if it is the late model, I
can't use the earlier ones. If no one else wants it. I could also,
would be interested in any community local with powerpc linux users.

I have been thinking seriously to try and get some people together to
share work with optimized g4 builds, the new compilers getting much
better from gcc 4.0 to 4.4 2x to 3x speedup autovectoring some of my
apps. This makes a g4 run like a recent machine for many things, help
save the planet by reducing manufacturing waste...





On 7/26/10, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Larry Cafiero (larry.cafiero at gmail.com):
>
>> Thanks, Sameer. At the risk of getting me on a soapbox, there are versions
>> of Linux that will run on PPC architecture that are still out there, as I
>> mentioned earlier....
>
> And CABAL can help you load pretty much any/all of them, and duplicate
> our Linux and BSD installation media for you.
>
> See:
> http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul 26 19:36:55 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:36:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTima90Oa-3WEdubQ-XQO5RU-UXNqOfVArTdEX5RS@mail.gmail.com>
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Quoting Brian Morris (cymraegish at gmail.com):

> Have recently installed and run Ubuntu10 with the LXDE desktop on
> 300mhz powerbook, it is sweet I have to say. For a long time I just
> stick with Debian, however this try with Ubuntu it seems that the
> "community supported" version unofficial for powerpc is very well
> done.

Since I prefer just a window manager (usually Window Maker) and none of
that session management junk (etc.), I find that Debian PPC is
absolutely perfect -- usually testing-branch with optional access to
unstable-branch package repos set in the apt config.  Works a treat on
my old 700 MHz G3 iBook, for example.

> FYI I have a macbook but Debian AMD64 unstable got trashed in an
> update/upgrade and I am thinking to go with Ubuntu here too. 

Well, I'd run debian-testing (w/unstable access as needed) there, too,
but your mileage may differ<tm>.  




From cymraegish at gmail.com  Mon Jul 26 20:34:22 2010
From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:34:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
In-Reply-To: <20100727023654.GO17041@linuxmafia.com>
References: <sig.5821b3b7ce.4C4B5EEC.5010203@sfo.com>
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On 7/26/10, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Brian Morris (cymraegish at gmail.com):
>
>> Have recently installed and run Ubuntu10 with the LXDE desktop on
>> 300mhz powerbook, it is sweet I have to say. For a long time I just
>> stick with Debian, however this try with Ubuntu it seems that the
>> "community supported" version unofficial for powerpc is very well
>> done.
>
> Since I prefer just a window manager (usually Window Maker) and none of
> that session management junk (etc.),
I always did too until I tried LXDE (and I tried all the others). Its
the file manager that makes it really.
>I find that Debian PPC is
> absolutely perfect -- usually testing-branch with optional access to
> unstable-branch package repos set in the apt config.  Works a treat on
> my old 700 MHz G3 iBook, for example.
Nothing's perfect but yes I have been happy with plain Debian for
years and probably still prefer it, but the wifi support for my old
powerbooks had been going down hill for some time drivers breaking, I
found that Ubuntu had no problems with it.
>
>> FYI I have a macbook but Debian AMD64 unstable got trashed in an
>> update/upgrade and I am thinking to go with Ubuntu here too.
>
> Well, I'd run debian-testing (w/unstable access as needed) there, too,
> but your mileage may differ<tm>.
That's what I do, but I have seen warnings "unstable is unstable".
Maybe it just happens occassionally, depending on what packages you
are running (I had some experimental on there too).

I think when squeeze comes out I will just stick with stable for a
while on the g4 and concentrate on building those optimized versions
without a moving target.

And maybe stay away from experimental on the macbook too, just wait
for the new packages or build from upstream (some swear by this ...)

Brian


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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul 26 21:06:19 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:06:19 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] found discarded older computer - any interest
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Quoting Brian Morris (cymraegish at gmail.com):

> I always did too until I tried LXDE (and I tried all the others). Its
> the file manager that makes it really.

Yeah, but my favourite file manager is still bash / awk / sed / find /
xargs.  ;->

> Nothing's perfect but yes I have been happy with plain Debian for
> years and probably still prefer it, but the wifi support for my old
> powerbooks had been going down hill for some time drivers breaking, I
> found that Ubuntu had no problems with it.

Er, I sure hope you are aware that it's neither necessary nor desirable
to stick with the installation kernel you started with upon installing 
Debian.  You'll find a good selection of precompiled kernels among those
available on debian-testing, and the support for PPC-typical wireless in
those has been really good.  (Naturally, you never throw away your
current kernel until you've tested a candidate replacement.)

> That's what I do, but I have seen warnings "unstable is unstable".
> Maybe it just happens occassionally, depending on what packages you
> are running (I had some experimental on there too).

Hmm, I might need to clarify:

When I say 'unstable access as needed', I do _not_ mean putting the 
host directly onto the unstable/sid branch, but rather adding the
repos into /etc/apt/sources.list[.d/] as a set with lowered
pin-priority, such that normally nothing will be fetched from there.

/etc/apt/preferences:
Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 50


The idea is that _if_ you think a necessary package is in unstable but
hasn't cleared quarantine into testing, you can fetch it and its
direct dependencies but _nothing else_ from unstable/sid, so:

# apt-get -t unstable install [foo]

Anyway, yes, the general likeability of debian-testing depends on what
packages you are running, in one very predictable sense:  If you are
relying on one of the 'desktop' suites (GNOME et al.), variable
propagation times of the constituent packages through testing's
quarantine can create a logjam.  Let's say you're a KDE4 fancier (hey,
it could happen), and all of a new KDE4 release's packages _except_ the
new package of libfoo have cleared quarantine from unstable to testing.
And, as it happens, 1/3 of KDE4's other packages depend on libfoo.  In
that case, those 1/3 become temporarily uninstallable on testing.

Thus my point:  With the setup I describe, you can just do:

# apt-get -t unstable install pkg1 pkg2...

...and those packages only (and dependencies) get refreshed from
-unstable without causing your system as a whole to do so.

I have far, far greater confidence in Debian's ability to keep PPC in
good shape, because it's a supported arch rather than a
community-maintained one.  Your Mileage May Differ.<tm>


> I think when squeeze comes out I will just stick with stable for a
> while on the g4 and concentrate on building those optimized versions
> without a moving target.

People say that sometimes, but I'm not sure I go with that:  If you like
the distance from the bleeding edge debian-testing affords, it seems
strange to suddenly decide to back off to debian-stable just because of
a release cycle transition.  The whole point of tracking debian-testing 
is to stay away from release-oriented granularity.  It and Sidux (which
sadly is not maintained for PPC) are the only truly successful and
satisfactory rolling releases on Linux I know of.




From jim at well.com  Wed Jul 28 09:50:47 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:50:47 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] events this week
Message-ID: <1280335847.1695.53.camel@jim-laptop>


tonight there are two events: 
* 6 to 8 PM Linux Discussion Group at Noisebridge (free) 
* 6 to 10 PM OpenDNA meet and greet at DNA Lounge (free) 

Noisebridge is at 2169 Mission Street very near 18th Street 
on the third floor (ring buzzer button in iron gate). 
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge 

DNA Lounge is on 375 Eleventh Street near Harrison. 
Info about the OpenDNS party is at 
http://sysadminappreciation.eventbrite.com/
 

Friday there are two events: 
* 3 to 6 PM Linux System Administration Study Group (free) 
* 6 to X PM Noisebridge meet and greet dinner (donation) 
Both are at Noisebridge. 






From bliss at sfo.com  Fri Jul 30 08:03:46 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:03:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-Lug meeting this Sunday.
Message-ID: <sig.0827132036.4C52E9D2.8090208@sfo.com>


     Yes once again the SF-LUG is meeting on Sunday, August 1, 2010
at the Cafe Enchante, 26th Avenue and Geary, from 11 AM to 1 PM
nominally.

     Hope you all can make it.
     later
     Bobbie Sellers



From mhigashi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 15:38:42 2010
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:38:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5gYb9vgH9O79zF1kiiSt205qmGSHqyY=WL9SN@mail.gmail.com>

As time goes by, I'm always surprised to learn that there are Linux
users who still don't know about some of the simplest Linux tips.
Here are a few of my favorites:


1)  Don't use www.google.com to search for Linux related subjects.

  Got your attention? Good, because the search page you really need
  to use is:   www.google.com/linux

  This brings you to Google's Linux-specific search engine, which
  includes results from forums and mailing lists, and excludes
  non-related subject matter that happens to include the same
  search terms.

  (Especially valuable for excluding web pages that cover the same
  topic for proprietary operating systems.)

  This ranks as my all-time favorite tip for Linux users.


2)  Did you just use the 'cd' command to change directories, and
want to return to the previous directory?  Use 'cd -' to revert back
to where you were before.

  This is such a simple trick that I've been assuming that most
  Linux users who were familiar with the command line already
  knew about it, but found out recently that this is not always
  the case.

  This tip is especially valuable if the directory name involved is a
  long one, as it saves a huge amount of typing.

  Only the most recent directory name is saved, so if you are in
  the directory "foo", execute 'cd ../bar', followed by 'cd ../baz',
  typing 'cd -' once will flip you back to "bar", and then a second
  time will put you back into "baz".  The directory "foo" is no
  longer reachable with this technique.

  (To switch back and forth between more directories, study up
  on the 'pushd' and 'popd' commands.)


3)  When using vim, instead of typing ':wq' to save your work and
quit, type 'ZZ' instead.

  This is another so-simple-it-doesn't-need-repeating tip, except
  that a few months ago I was working with a programmer who
  used vim but didn't know about it, so I figure it's worth including
  here.


Mike



From testcore at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 16:33:22 2010
From: testcore at gmail.com (testcore at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:33:22 +0000
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
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Thanks for the tips, Mike.  Even after a few years, I realize I still don't know all the shortcuts.

But, you didn't mention one of my favorites that I've found to be obscure (maybe not for this list, but eh).  If you want to perform the same command, only with one change, instead of scrolling up and then typing the change, I use this:

^oldVal^newVal

I find it most useful when I check a file via 'ls', and then want to inspect the contents via 'less':

ls myfile
^ls^less >Evals to 'less myfile'

Cheers,
Alex
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Higashi <mhigashi at gmail.com>
Sender: sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:38:42 
To: SF-LUG<sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips

As time goes by, I'm always surprised to learn that there are Linux
users who still don't know about some of the simplest Linux tips.
Here are a few of my favorites:


1)  Don't use www.google.com to search for Linux related subjects.

  Got your attention? Good, because the search page you really need
  to use is:   www.google.com/linux

  This brings you to Google's Linux-specific search engine, which
  includes results from forums and mailing lists, and excludes
  non-related subject matter that happens to include the same
  search terms.

  (Especially valuable for excluding web pages that cover the same
  topic for proprietary operating systems.)

  This ranks as my all-time favorite tip for Linux users.


2)  Did you just use the 'cd' command to change directories, and
want to return to the previous directory?  Use 'cd -' to revert back
to where you were before.

  This is such a simple trick that I've been assuming that most
  Linux users who were familiar with the command line already
  knew about it, but found out recently that this is not always
  the case.

  This tip is especially valuable if the directory name involved is a
  long one, as it saves a huge amount of typing.

  Only the most recent directory name is saved, so if you are in
  the directory "foo", execute 'cd ../bar', followed by 'cd ../baz',
  typing 'cd -' once will flip you back to "bar", and then a second
  time will put you back into "baz".  The directory "foo" is no
  longer reachable with this technique.

  (To switch back and forth between more directories, study up
  on the 'pushd' and 'popd' commands.)


3)  When using vim, instead of typing ':wq' to save your work and
quit, type 'ZZ' instead.

  This is another so-simple-it-doesn't-need-repeating tip, except
  that a few months ago I was working with a programmer who
  used vim but didn't know about it, so I figure it's worth including
  here.


Mike

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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 16:49:13 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:49:13 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
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One of my favorite tips is "reset". Not because you use it often, but 
because when you need it, you usually can't look it up because your 
screen is messed up.

I guess nowdays you'd simply close the messed up window and open a new 
one, but sometimes that is undesirable, e.g. if you have a particular 
history of tricky commands.

I can't remember the last time time I used this command, but it was on a 
windowed system and I'm glad I still knew how to use it.

Other favorites include:

history
!!
!$
man ascii

and of course

vi

Michael

On 07/30/2010 04:33 PM, testcore at gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for the tips, Mike.  Even after a few years, I realize I still don't know all the shortcuts.
>
> But, you didn't mention one of my favorites that I've found to be obscure (maybe not for this list, but eh).  If you want to perform the same command, only with one change, instead of scrolling up and then typing the change, I use this:
>
> ^oldVal^newVal
>
> I find it most useful when I check a file via 'ls', and then want to inspect the contents via 'less':
>
> ls myfile
> ^ls^less>Evals to 'less myfile'
>
> Cheers,
> Alex
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Higashi<mhigashi at gmail.com>
> Sender: sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:38:42
> To: SF-LUG<sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
>
> As time goes by, I'm always surprised to learn that there are Linux
> users who still don't know about some of the simplest Linux tips.
> Here are a few of my favorites:
>
>
> 1)  Don't use www.google.com to search for Linux related subjects.
>
>    Got your attention? Good, because the search page you really need
>    to use is:   www.google.com/linux
>
>    This brings you to Google's Linux-specific search engine, which
>    includes results from forums and mailing lists, and excludes
>    non-related subject matter that happens to include the same
>    search terms.
>
>    (Especially valuable for excluding web pages that cover the same
>    topic for proprietary operating systems.)
>
>    This ranks as my all-time favorite tip for Linux users.
>
>
> 2)  Did you just use the 'cd' command to change directories, and
> want to return to the previous directory?  Use 'cd -' to revert back
> to where you were before.
>
>    This is such a simple trick that I've been assuming that most
>    Linux users who were familiar with the command line already
>    knew about it, but found out recently that this is not always
>    the case.
>
>    This tip is especially valuable if the directory name involved is a
>    long one, as it saves a huge amount of typing.
>
>    Only the most recent directory name is saved, so if you are in
>    the directory "foo", execute 'cd ../bar', followed by 'cd ../baz',
>    typing 'cd -' once will flip you back to "bar", and then a second
>    time will put you back into "baz".  The directory "foo" is no
>    longer reachable with this technique.
>
>    (To switch back and forth between more directories, study up
>    on the 'pushd' and 'popd' commands.)
>
>
> 3)  When using vim, instead of typing ':wq' to save your work and
> quit, type 'ZZ' instead.
>
>    This is another so-simple-it-doesn't-need-repeating tip, except
>    that a few months ago I was working with a programmer who
>    used vim but didn't know about it, so I figure it's worth including
>    here.
>
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

-- 
Sent from my ASR-33



From mhigashi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 17:12:18 2010
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:12:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:33 PM,  <testcore at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But, you didn't mention one of my favorites that I've found to be obscure (maybe not for this list, but eh). ?If you want to perform the same command, only with one change, instead of scrolling up and then typing the change, I use this:
>
> ^oldVal^newVal
>
> I find it most useful when I check a file via 'ls', and then want to inspect the contents via 'less':
>
> ls myfile
> ^ls^less >Evals to 'less myfile'


I was thinking about including some command shortcuts.  I've
heard about the one you mentioned, but it just never got into
my toolkit of tricks that I use on a regular basis.

The one I'm in the habit of using instead is the !$ shortcut:

  ls myfile
  less !$   ==>  evals to 'less myfile'

(1

The downside is the two commands have to be consecutive,
which I think is also the case the ^string1^string2 case.

The advantage of '^string1^string2' is that string1 does not have to be
at the start of the command, so you can make spelling corrections
to errors in the middle of a long command this way, but I'm used to
just hitting the up arrow and editing the command line instead.


And while I'm at it, I should point out that when editing a long command
from your command history, Control-A is the default keybinding for
moving the cursor to the start of the line, and Control-E moves you to
the end.


The other shortcut I like is when you prepend an '!' to a command
to re-run the same command once again:

  vim some-really-long-filename
  [many more commands, which do not use vim]
  !vim     ==> evails to 'vim some-really-long-filename'


Regards,
Mike



From mhigashi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 17:15:42 2010
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:15:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Mike Higashi <mhigashi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The one I'm in the habit of using instead is the !$ shortcut:
>
> ?ls myfile
> ?less !$ ? ==> ?evals to 'less myfile'
>
> (1

Oops, I was trying to add a paragraph here to say:

(!$ represents the last parameter in the previous command,
so any other command-line switches before it would not get
repeated.)

Mike



From jim at well.com  Fri Jul 30 17:35:05 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:35:05 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
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i don't know what the notation means. 

^ means what 
^ls^less behaves how? 

with thanks 



On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 23:33 +0000, testcore at gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for the tips, Mike.  Even after a few years, I realize I still don't know all the shortcuts.
> 
> But, you didn't mention one of my favorites that I've found to be obscure (maybe not for this list, but eh).  If you want to perform the same command, only with one change, instead of scrolling up and then typing the change, I use this:
> 
> ^oldVal^newVal
> 
> I find it most useful when I check a file via 'ls', and then want to inspect the contents via 'less':
> 
> ls myfile
> ^ls^less >Evals to 'less myfile'
> 
> Cheers,
> Alex
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Higashi <mhigashi at gmail.com>
> Sender: sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:38:42 
> To: SF-LUG<sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
> 
> As time goes by, I'm always surprised to learn that there are Linux
> users who still don't know about some of the simplest Linux tips.
> Here are a few of my favorites:
> 
> 
> 1)  Don't use www.google.com to search for Linux related subjects.
> 
>   Got your attention? Good, because the search page you really need
>   to use is:   www.google.com/linux
> 
>   This brings you to Google's Linux-specific search engine, which
>   includes results from forums and mailing lists, and excludes
>   non-related subject matter that happens to include the same
>   search terms.
> 
>   (Especially valuable for excluding web pages that cover the same
>   topic for proprietary operating systems.)
> 
>   This ranks as my all-time favorite tip for Linux users.
> 
> 
> 2)  Did you just use the 'cd' command to change directories, and
> want to return to the previous directory?  Use 'cd -' to revert back
> to where you were before.
> 
>   This is such a simple trick that I've been assuming that most
>   Linux users who were familiar with the command line already
>   knew about it, but found out recently that this is not always
>   the case.
> 
>   This tip is especially valuable if the directory name involved is a
>   long one, as it saves a huge amount of typing.
> 
>   Only the most recent directory name is saved, so if you are in
>   the directory "foo", execute 'cd ../bar', followed by 'cd ../baz',
>   typing 'cd -' once will flip you back to "bar", and then a second
>   time will put you back into "baz".  The directory "foo" is no
>   longer reachable with this technique.
> 
>   (To switch back and forth between more directories, study up
>   on the 'pushd' and 'popd' commands.)
> 
> 
> 3)  When using vim, instead of typing ':wq' to save your work and
> quit, type 'ZZ' instead.
> 
>   This is another so-simple-it-doesn't-need-repeating tip, except
>   that a few months ago I was working with a programmer who
>   used vim but didn't know about it, so I figure it's worth including
>   here.
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> 





From mzanfardino at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 18:18:07 2010
From: mzanfardino at gmail.com (Mark K. Zanfardino)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:18:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
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In this context ^ mean ^. That is, it's not a notation for anything by 
the ^ character (shift-6 on my keyboard). Here is an example:

$ ls ~/.bashrc
/home/mark/.bashrc
mark at jupiter1:~/tmp$ ^ls^cat
cat ~/.bashrc
# ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells.
# see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc)
# for examples
...

Give it a try!


jim wrote:
> i don't know what the notation means. 
>
> ^ means what 
> ^ls^less behaves how? 
>
> with thanks 
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 23:33 +0000, testcore at gmail.com wrote:
>   
>> Thanks for the tips, Mike.  Even after a few years, I realize I still don't know all the shortcuts.
>>
>> But, you didn't mention one of my favorites that I've found to be obscure (maybe not for this list, but eh).  If you want to perform the same command, only with one change, instead of scrolling up and then typing the change, I use this:
>>
>> ^oldVal^newVal
>>
>> I find it most useful when I check a file via 'ls', and then want to inspect the contents via 'less':
>>
>> ls myfile
>> ^ls^less >Evals to 'less myfile'
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alex
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Higashi <mhigashi at gmail.com>
>> Sender: sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:38:42 
>> To: SF-LUG<sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
>> Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
>>
>> As time goes by, I'm always surprised to learn that there are Linux
>> users who still don't know about some of the simplest Linux tips.
>> Here are a few of my favorites:
>>
>>
>> 1)  Don't use www.google.com to search for Linux related subjects.
>>
>>   Got your attention? Good, because the search page you really need
>>   to use is:   www.google.com/linux
>>
>>   This brings you to Google's Linux-specific search engine, which
>>   includes results from forums and mailing lists, and excludes
>>   non-related subject matter that happens to include the same
>>   search terms.
>>
>>   (Especially valuable for excluding web pages that cover the same
>>   topic for proprietary operating systems.)
>>
>>   This ranks as my all-time favorite tip for Linux users.
>>
>>
>> 2)  Did you just use the 'cd' command to change directories, and
>> want to return to the previous directory?  Use 'cd -' to revert back
>> to where you were before.
>>
>>   This is such a simple trick that I've been assuming that most
>>   Linux users who were familiar with the command line already
>>   knew about it, but found out recently that this is not always
>>   the case.
>>
>>   This tip is especially valuable if the directory name involved is a
>>   long one, as it saves a huge amount of typing.
>>
>>   Only the most recent directory name is saved, so if you are in
>>   the directory "foo", execute 'cd ../bar', followed by 'cd ../baz',
>>   typing 'cd -' once will flip you back to "bar", and then a second
>>   time will put you back into "baz".  The directory "foo" is no
>>   longer reachable with this technique.
>>
>>   (To switch back and forth between more directories, study up
>>   on the 'pushd' and 'popd' commands.)
>>
>>
>> 3)  When using vim, instead of typing ':wq' to save your work and
>> quit, type 'ZZ' instead.
>>
>>   This is another so-simple-it-doesn't-need-repeating tip, except
>>   that a few months ago I was working with a programmer who
>>   used vim but didn't know about it, so I figure it's worth including
>>   here.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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>>
>>     
>
>
>
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From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 18:29:10 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <1280536505.1679.161.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <833547.2500.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

try it, Jim:
$ ls my_file
$ ^ls^less

and then watch the magic on the screen:-)
(substitute an existing short text file for "my_file")

It's similar to 
:s/old_string/new_string
when using vim

..by the way, I did not know about this and am very happy to learn about it and some of the other tips that have been mentioned in this thread.
Thanks to the contributers.
Does anyone else have similar tips that some of us newer to Linux may have forgotten or never known?

cheers,
alex


a_kleider at yahoo.com


--- On Fri, 7/30/10, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

> From: jim <jim at well.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
> To: testcore at gmail.com
> Cc: "SF-LUG" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>, sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 5:35 PM
> 
> i don't know what the notation means. 
> 
> ^ means what 
> ^ls^less behaves how? 
> 
> with thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 23:33 +0000, testcore at gmail.com
> wrote:
> > Thanks for the tips, Mike.? Even after a few
> years, I realize I still don't know all the shortcuts.
> > 
> > But, you didn't mention one of my favorites that I've
> found to be obscure (maybe not for this list, but eh).?
> If you want to perform the same command, only with one
> change, instead of scrolling up and then typing the change,
> I use this:
> > 
> > ^oldVal^newVal
> > 
> > I find it most useful when I check a file via 'ls',
> and then want to inspect the contents via 'less':
> > 
> > ls myfile
> > ^ls^less >Evals to 'less myfile'
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Alex
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Higashi <mhigashi at gmail.com>
> > Sender: sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com
> > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:38:42 
> > To: SF-LUG<sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> > Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux
> tips
> > 
> > As time goes by, I'm always surprised to learn that
> there are Linux
> > users who still don't know about some of the simplest
> Linux tips.
> > Here are a few of my favorites:
> > 
> > 
> > 1)? Don't use www.google.com to search for Linux
> related subjects.
> > 
> >???Got your attention? Good, because the
> search page you really need
> >???to use
> is:???www.google.com/linux
> > 
> >???This brings you to Google's
> Linux-specific search engine, which
> >???includes results from forums and
> mailing lists, and excludes
> >???non-related subject matter that
> happens to include the same
> >???search terms.
> > 
> >???(Especially valuable for excluding
> web pages that cover the same
> >???topic for proprietary operating
> systems.)
> > 
> >???This ranks as my all-time favorite
> tip for Linux users.
> > 
> > 
> > 2)? Did you just use the 'cd' command to change
> directories, and
> > want to return to the previous directory?? Use
> 'cd -' to revert back
> > to where you were before.
> > 
> >???This is such a simple trick that I've
> been assuming that most
> >???Linux users who were familiar with
> the command line already
> >???knew about it, but found out recently
> that this is not always
> >???the case.
> > 
> >???This tip is especially valuable if
> the directory name involved is a
> >???long one, as it saves a huge amount
> of typing.
> > 
> >???Only the most recent directory name
> is saved, so if you are in
> >???the directory "foo", execute 'cd
> ../bar', followed by 'cd ../baz',
> >???typing 'cd -' once will flip you back
> to "bar", and then a second
> >???time will put you back into
> "baz".? The directory "foo" is no
> >???longer reachable with this
> technique.
> > 
> >???(To switch back and forth between
> more directories, study up
> >???on the 'pushd' and 'popd' commands.)
> > 
> > 
> > 3)? When using vim, instead of typing ':wq' to
> save your work and
> > quit, type 'ZZ' instead.
> > 
> >???This is another
> so-simple-it-doesn't-need-repeating tip, except
> >???that a few months ago I was working
> with a programmer who
> >???used vim but didn't know about it, so
> I figure it's worth including
> >???here.
> > 
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sf-lug mailing list
> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > sf-lug mailing list
> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 19:14:26 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:14:26 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com>
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> The advantage of '^string1^string2' is that string1 does not have to be
> at the start of the command, so you can make spelling corrections
> to errors in the middle of a long command this way

I've been using Unix for about 30 years, and I've found I'm really quick 
at figuring out which of the many alternative ways to do something 
requires the minimum number of keystrokes.

For instance, to replace something near the end of a line requires up 
arrow and then as many backspaces as necessary to get to the error. On 
the other hand, fixing something near the beginning of a line with the 
^^ shortcut takes less. In the middle, perhaps adding a couple of 
surrounding characters will be enough to make it unique but still 
shorter than backspaces.

The weird thing is that it's almost muscle memory. I find I don't even 
consciously think of it. My fingers just do the shortcut.

I'm even faster, and less conscious, in vi, where there are perhaps a 
dozen different ways to accomplish every task. I love vi, but I know I'm 
using perhaps 20-30% of the total capabilities. I'd love to hear of your 
interesting and perhaps less familiar (but useful) vi tricks.

Speaking of vi, I love vimperator!


>
>
> And while I'm at it, I should point out that when editing a long command
> from your command history, Control-A is the default keybinding for
> moving the cursor to the start of the line, and Control-E moves you to
> the end.
>
>
> The other shortcut I like is when you prepend an '!' to a command
> to re-run the same command once again:
>
>    vim some-really-long-filename
>    [many more commands, which do not use vim]
>    !vim     ==>  evails to 'vim some-really-long-filename'
>
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

-- 
Sent from my ASR-33



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 19:15:08 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:15:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
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On 07/30/2010 05:12 PM, Mike Higashi wrote:
> And while I'm at it, I should point out that when editing a long command
> from your command history, Control-A is the default keybinding for
> moving the cursor to the start of the line, and Control-E moves you to
> the end.

This I did not know! Thanks!



From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 30 19:51:53 2010
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:51:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <4C538702.2050503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <352399.73231.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




--- On Fri, 7/30/10, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:

> less. In the middle, perhaps adding a couple of surrounding
> characters will be enough to make it unique but still
> shorter than backspaces.
> 

..could you elaborate what you mean regarding what you do to correct something in the middle, please. I don't understand this part.
thks



      



From bibayoff at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 19:54:31 2010
From: bibayoff at gmail.com (Steve M Bibayoff)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:54:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<737627519-1280532800-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1074180852-@bda504.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello,

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Mike Higashi <mhigashi at gmail.com> wrote:

> And while I'm at it, I should point out that when editing a long command
> from your command history, Control-A is the default keybinding for
> moving the cursor to the start of the line, and Control-E moves you to
> the end.

And for all you people who don't use emacs (I'm looking at you Michael
;-)  ), here are some other ones:
Control-< (Left_arrow_key)   Move back one word
(you could also use the Alt-< OR (if you are not at a xterm or like
window) Alt-b )

Most of bash shortcuts:
http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Readline-Interaction.html

(killing text, shown in killing commands section, is one of my favorite)


Steve



From akkana at shallowsky.com  Fri Jul 30 21:05:39 2010
From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:05:39 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
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References: <1280536505.1679.161.camel@jim-laptop>
	<833547.2500.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTin5gYb9vgH9O79zF1kiiSt205qmGSHqyY=WL9SN@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinduPSwpu7BnDLWDpygEzQHZ--7i=2r0bZWDXLY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin5gYb9vgH9O79zF1kiiSt205qmGSHqyY=WL9SN@mail.gmail.com>
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As long as we're talking terminal editing shortcuts, my favorite
is Control-W to erase the last word. It's even better if you set
it to erase only back to the last punctuation -- that way, if
you do something like
$ ls /long/path/to/somewhere/that/you/dont/want/to/type/again
and then realize you had one too many, you can uparrow (or Ctrl-P)
and hit a Ctrl-W or two to delete elements of the path one by one.

That used to be the default in old-timey Unix, but in modern Linux
you have to set it that way: in .bashrc,
bind '\C-w:backward-kill-word'
and in .inputrc, 
set bind-tty-special-chars Off

And that reminded me of another favorite I use a lot: curly brace
and comma substitutions. For instance, if I want to make a
backup copy of a file with a long name, I can say:

$ cp ~/long/path/to/long-file-name{,-bak}.jpg

which expands to

$ cp ~/long/path/to/long-file-name.jpg ~/long/path/to/long-file-name-bak.jpg

without needing to go to the mouse to doubleclick/middleclick.

Mike Higashi writes:
> The one I'm in the habit of using instead is the !$ shortcut:

Don't forget !^ for the first argument, too. Fun idiom:

$ mv filename filename-sav
  [ do something outside this terminal window ]
$ mv !$ !^

Steve M Bibayoff writes:
> And for all you people who don't use emacs (I'm looking at you Michael
[ ... ]
> Most of bash shortcuts:

Warning: once you get addicted to these emacs-inspired shortcuts,
you'll spend a lot of time swearing at developers of apps that don't
support these once-standard keybindings that make typing so much easier.
Forget about word processors -- none of them support these bindings.

Alex Kleider writes:
> $ ^ls^less
> 
> It's similar to 
> :s/old_string/new_string
> when using vim

And you can use that syntax too:

$ !!:s/ls/less

And with this syntax, you aren't limited to the last command:

$ !x:s/foo/bar

repeats the last command you ran starting with x, replacing the
first foo with bar.

$ !-4:gs/foo/bar

runs the fourth-to-last command, replacing every foo with bar
(gs means global substitute).

	...Akkana



From sverma at sfsu.edu  Fri Jul 30 21:07:12 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:07:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Synaptic for Fedora?
Message-ID: <AANLkTik--abzr86z-1yZfeE9+YMxt9CcM_BVd_fm46S2@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know if there is anything like Synaptic for Fedora ?

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From bibayoff at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 22:00:09 2010
From: bibayoff at gmail.com (Steve M Bibayoff)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:00:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
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Hello,

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Akkana Peck <akkana at shallowsky.com> wrote:

> Warning: once you get addicted to these emacs-inspired shortcuts,
> you'll spend a lot of time swearing at developers of apps that don't
> support these once-standard keybindings that make typing so much easier.
> Forget about word processors -- none of them support these bindings.

emacs isn't a word processor?


;-)

Steve



From jackofnotrades at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 22:26:31 2010
From: jackofnotrades at gmail.com (Jeff Bragg)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:26:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Synaptic for Fedora?
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yumex, according to this <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/yum>.  I
haven't used it personally, though.

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is anything like Synaptic for Fedora ?
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor, Information Systems
> Director, Campus Business Solutions
> San Francisco State University
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
> http://is.sfsu.edu/
>
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From larry.cafiero at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 22:38:37 2010
From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:38:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Synaptic for Fedora?
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If you're talking about a package manager (if that's what Synaptic is,
unless I'm mistaken), I believe the Gnome version has something called
Package Manager or gpk-application (?) or something like that. KDE probably
has KPackageManager.

Of course, you can always use yum install from the command line . . . .

Larry Cafiero

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Jeff Bragg <jackofnotrades at gmail.com>wrote:

> yumex, according to this <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/yum>.  I
> haven't used it personally, though.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if there is anything like Synaptic for Fedora ?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sameer
>> --
>> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor, Information Systems
>> Director, Campus Business Solutions
>> San Francisco State University
>> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
>> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>> http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
>> http://is.sfsu.edu/
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 22:47:55 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:47:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Synaptic for Fedora?
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Isn't that simply rpm then?

On 07/30/2010 10:38 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote:
> If you're talking about a package manager (if that's what Synaptic is,
> unless I'm mistaken), I believe the Gnome version has something called
> Package Manager or gpk-application (?) or something like that. KDE
> probably has KPackageManager.
>
> Of course, you can always use yum install from the command line . . . .
>
> Larry Cafiero
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Jeff Bragg <jackofnotrades at gmail.com
> <mailto:jackofnotrades at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     yumex, according to this <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/yum>.
>     I haven't used it personally, though.
>
>
>     On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu
>     <mailto:sverma at sfsu.edu>> wrote:
>
>         Does anyone know if there is anything like Synaptic for Fedora ?
>
>         cheers,
>         Sameer
>         --
>         Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
>         Associate Professor, Information Systems
>         Director, Campus Business Solutions
>         San Francisco State University
>         http://verma.sfsu.edu/
>         http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>         http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
>         http://is.sfsu.edu/
>
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From grantbow at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 03:54:19 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:54:19 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Synaptic for Fedora?
In-Reply-To: <4C53B90B.2040701@gmail.com>
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Some quick google searches using the names of the existing tools on
both platforms turned up some good guides for people going from one
type of system to another.  Here is one decent primer for converting
command equivalents between Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS commands and
Debian/Ubuntu commands.

     http://daverdave.com/node/97

Roughly Fedora's rpm is like Debian's dpkg.  Fedora's yum is like
Debian's apt-get and apt-cache.  For GUI users, Package Manager is
like System...Administration...Synaptic.  I haven't heard of Fedora
efforts to simplify installation even further as the
Applications...Ubuntu Software Center is making progress in doing.

I believe ease of use is very important in furthering Linux adoption
by mainstream computer users.  It's hard to use software if you can't
easily become proficient in using the tools that help find and install
the software you might need or want.  Getting people trained to
efficiently use package tools is one of the relatively more complex
operational issues involved in providing educational sites with the
confidence they need to search for and install software that's
available.

Cheers,

Grant


On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Isn't that simply rpm then?
>
> On 07/30/2010 10:38 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote:
>>
>> If you're talking about a package manager (if that's what Synaptic is,
>> unless I'm mistaken), I believe the Gnome version has something called
>> Package Manager or gpk-application (?) or something like that. KDE
>> probably has KPackageManager.
>>
>> Of course, you can always use yum install from the command line . . . .
>>
>> Larry Cafiero
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Jeff Bragg <jackofnotrades at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jackofnotrades at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> ? ?yumex, according to this <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/yum>.
>> ? ?I haven't used it personally, though.
>>
>>
>> ? ?On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu
>> ? ?<mailto:sverma at sfsu.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> ? ? ? ?Does anyone know if there is anything like Synaptic for Fedora ?
>>
>> ? ? ? ?cheers,
>> ? ? ? ?Sameer
>> ? ? ? ?--
>> ? ? ? ?Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
>> ? ? ? ?Associate Professor, Information Systems
>> ? ? ? ?Director, Campus Business Solutions
>> ? ? ? ?San Francisco State University
>> ? ? ? ?http://verma.sfsu.edu/
>> ? ? ? ?http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>> ? ? ? ?http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
>> ? ? ? ?http://is.sfsu.edu/
>>
>> ? ? ? ?_______________________________________________
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>> ? ? ? ?http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> ? ? ? ?Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>>
>>
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From larry.cafiero at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 07:52:39 2010
From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 07:52:39 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Synaptic for Fedora?
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On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Grant Bowman <grantbow at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Roughly Fedora's rpm is like Debian's dpkg.  Fedora's yum is like
> Debian's apt-get and apt-cache.  For GUI users, Package Manager is
> like System...Administration...Synaptic.  I haven't heard of Fedora
> efforts to simplify installation even further as the
> Applications...Ubuntu Software Center is making progress in doing.


Forgive me in advance if this comes across as snarky -- I honestly don't
mean it to be -- but how much simpler can going to  System > Administration
> Add/Remove Software in Fedora with GNOME (or whatever the equivalent is in
KDE) be?

Larry Cafiero
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Sat Jul 31 15:41:28 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:41:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Synaptic for Fedora?
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On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Grant Bowman <grantbow at gmail.com> wrote:
> Some quick google searches using the names of the existing tools on
> both platforms turned up some good guides for people going from one
> type of system to another. ?Here is one decent primer for converting
> command equivalents between Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS commands and
> Debian/Ubuntu commands.
>
> ? ? http://daverdave.com/node/97
>
> Roughly Fedora's rpm is like Debian's dpkg. ?Fedora's yum is like
> Debian's apt-get and apt-cache. ?For GUI users, Package Manager is
> like System...Administration...Synaptic. ?I haven't heard of Fedora
> efforts to simplify installation even further as the
> Applications...Ubuntu Software Center is making progress in doing.
>

Hi Grant,

I was looking for a GUI based package manager. Thanks for the
pointers. I am using F11 in the context of OLPC XO 1.5 and they use a
slightly modified menu, so I didn't see the package manager.

cheers,
Sameer

> I believe ease of use is very important in furthering Linux adoption
> by mainstream computer users. ?It's hard to use software if you can't
> easily become proficient in using the tools that help find and install
> the software you might need or want. ?Getting people trained to
> efficiently use package tools is one of the relatively more complex
> operational issues involved in providing educational sites with the
> confidence they need to search for and install software that's
> available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Grant
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Michael Shiloh
> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Isn't that simply rpm then?
>>
>> On 07/30/2010 10:38 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote:
>>>
>>> If you're talking about a package manager (if that's what Synaptic is,
>>> unless I'm mistaken), I believe the Gnome version has something called
>>> Package Manager or gpk-application (?) or something like that. KDE
>>> probably has KPackageManager.
>>>
>>> Of course, you can always use yum install from the command line . . . .
>>>
>>> Larry Cafiero
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Jeff Bragg <jackofnotrades at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jackofnotrades at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? ?yumex, according to this <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/yum>.
>>> ? ?I haven't used it personally, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ?On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu
>>> ? ?<mailto:sverma at sfsu.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?Does anyone know if there is anything like Synaptic for Fedora ?
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?cheers,
>>> ? ? ? ?Sameer
>>> ? ? ? ?--
>>> ? ? ? ?Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
>>> ? ? ? ?Associate Professor, Information Systems
>>> ? ? ? ?Director, Campus Business Solutions
>>> ? ? ? ?San Francisco State University
>>> ? ? ? ?http://verma.sfsu.edu/
>>> ? ? ? ?http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>>> ? ? ? ?http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
>>> ? ? ? ?http://is.sfsu.edu/
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ?_______________________________________________
>>> ? ? ? ?sf-lug mailing list
>>> ? ? ? ?sf-lug at linuxmafia.com <mailto:sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
>>> ? ? ? ?http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>> ? ? ? ?Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Sat Jul 31 15:46:23 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:46:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Synaptic for Fedora?
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On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Grant Bowman <grantbow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Roughly Fedora's rpm is like Debian's dpkg. ?Fedora's yum is like
>> Debian's apt-get and apt-cache. ?For GUI users, Package Manager is
>> like System...Administration...Synaptic. ?I haven't heard of Fedora
>> efforts to simplify installation even further as the
>> Applications...Ubuntu Software Center is making progress in doing.
>
> Forgive me in advance if this comes across as snarky -- I honestly don't
> mean it to be -- but how much simpler can going to? System > Administration
>> Add/Remove Software in Fedora with GNOME (or whatever the equivalent is in
> KDE) be?
>
> Larry Cafiero
>

In light of the recent RedHat and Canonical "fingerpointing" my e-mail
may come across as instigating, but I am really asking in the context
of F11 on OLPC XO 1.5 I am trying to install nmon by using a repo and
that's where it came up. F11 on XO 1.5 doesn't have an Admin menu,
hence the question.

I personally use apt-get or yum on my machines, but will use Synaptic
in class to demonstrate availability of packages and dependency
resolution. My mother likes Ubuntu Software Center a lot more than
Synaptic though :-)

cheers,
Sameer



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 09:23:04 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 09:23:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <352399.73231.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <352399.73231.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C559F68.7050108@michaelshiloh.com>

supposed I miss-typed this command, adding an additional 'e' in "screen":


$ file /usr/lib/xscreeensaver/matrixview

if i tried to correct it with

^e^^

i'd remove the 'e' from "file".

but, i can uniquely identify my offending e by including an adjacent 
letter or two:

^ee^e

or

^re^r

still fewer keystrokes than

<uparrow><backspace about 15 times>

yeah, i know, it's really silly, but it's just what my fingers learned 
to do. when i learned unix, there was no up arrow, and backspace 
deleted letters so there wasn't a quick way to edit a command without ^^^

it's also become a little bit of a shorthand in geekdom, so if i write a 
long letter complaining about Apple, someone might respond

^Apple^Microsoft



On 07/30/2010 07:51 PM, Alex Kleider wrote:
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/30/10, Michael Shiloh<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> less. In the middle, perhaps adding a couple of surrounding
>> characters will be enough to make it unique but still
>> shorter than backspaces.
>>
>
> ..could you elaborate what you mean regarding what you do to correct something in the middle, please. I don't understand this part.
> thks
>
>
>
>
>



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 10:33:30 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:33:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] diversity without disunity
Message-ID: <AANLkTimNsvVWSMDGkn9gA3SD8G_yuUuAv9jAWFs0mV+w@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

Here is a really great article comparing the Free Open Source Software
movement with the feminist movement.

http://www.osbr.ca/ojs/index.php/osbr/article/view/1168/1119

The feminist movement succeeded because it was able to go mainstream.
 Understanding how other social movement succeeded can help us succeed.  At
the end of the article, there are a few recommended methods that we could
use to succeed better.

And, speaking of the feminist movement and diversity, one of the ways that
we will know we have succeeded is when we see more women using Free Software
in their daily lives, women who are not developers or sys admins.  What can
we do to make our LUGs more appealing to women and people of color?

Here is an abbrieviated URL for the link:

http://bit.ly/b9wPvW

thanks to Glyn Moody for tweeting this link
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 10:38:27 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:38:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
Message-ID: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>

I'm a very late comer to the idea of putting all my music on a server 
instead of flipping CDs.

I have an old Linux box hooked up to my stereo. I have a very small 
apartment so that one stereo can be heard from everywhere.

However, I'm usually on my laptop. I'd like to control my "media center" 
without having to get up and go to the server.

I have been unable to find a music player that supports web control. I 
have found many that will stream the media via a web page, but that's 
not what I want. I want to select the music to play, and then have it 
play on the server.

I did find a plugin for Exaile that is supposed to do this, however it's 
buggy, lacks full support for Exaile, and doesn't look like it's in 
development or maintenance.

Anyone know of a solution to my need?



From mhigashi at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 13:52:22 2010
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:52:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>
References: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have been unable to find a music player that supports web control. I have
> found many that will stream the media via a web page, but that's not what I
> want. I want to select the music to play, and then have it play on the
> server.
>
> I did find a plugin for Exaile that is supposed to do this, however it's
> buggy, lacks full support for Exaile, and doesn't look like it's in
> development or maintenance.
>
> Anyone know of a solution to my need?

A no-extra-software-required solution:

a) turn on X11 forwarding in the sshd_config on the media player
b) ssh into the media player from your laptop
c) launch the media application from within the ssh session
d) have the gui frontend forwarded to your laptop

But it might be better to use a media player with client/server support.
I don't use a central music server, so I have no recommendations,
but here are a few for you to look at:


Music Player Daemon (in early alpha):
http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki

XMMS2 (in "developer release" stage)
http://xmms2.org/wiki/Main_Page

MediaTomb (has Web UI support)
http://mediatomb.cc/

Mike



From rigelc at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 14:05:18 2010
From: rigelc at gmail.com (Rigel Christian)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:05:18 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com>
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ampache with MPD integration is how i do this.

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Mike Higashi <mhigashi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Michael Shiloh
> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have been unable to find a music player that supports web control. I have
>> found many that will stream the media via a web page, but that's not what I
>> want. I want to select the music to play, and then have it play on the
>> server.
>>
>> I did find a plugin for Exaile that is supposed to do this, however it's
>> buggy, lacks full support for Exaile, and doesn't look like it's in
>> development or maintenance.
>>
>> Anyone know of a solution to my need?
>
> A no-extra-software-required solution:
>
> a) turn on X11 forwarding in the sshd_config on the media player
> b) ssh into the media player from your laptop
> c) launch the media application from within the ssh session
> d) have the gui frontend forwarded to your laptop
>
> But it might be better to use a media player with client/server support.
> I don't use a central music server, so I have no recommendations,
> but here are a few for you to look at:
>
>
> Music Player Daemon (in early alpha):
> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki
>
> XMMS2 (in "developer release" stage)
> http://xmms2.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> MediaTomb (has Web UI support)
> http://mediatomb.cc/
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 14:34:04 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:34:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5739CC.2070502@michaelshiloh.com>

I have received a number of these suggested solutions, but my issue is 
that they all seem like hacks. For one, this requires software on the 
client other than a web browser. Easy enough for my Linux laptop, but 
what about my girlfriend's Windows or Mac machines?

I don't understand why this feature isn't built in to the apps in the 
first place, for example, like cups. Surely I can't be the first to want 
this feature?

But perhaps I'm missing something fundamental

On 08/02/2010 01:52 PM, Mike Higashi wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Michael Shiloh
> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>> I have been unable to find a music player that supports web control. I have
>> found many that will stream the media via a web page, but that's not what I
>> want. I want to select the music to play, and then have it play on the
>> server.
>>
>> I did find a plugin for Exaile that is supposed to do this, however it's
>> buggy, lacks full support for Exaile, and doesn't look like it's in
>> development or maintenance.
>>
>> Anyone know of a solution to my need?
>
> A no-extra-software-required solution:
>
> a) turn on X11 forwarding in the sshd_config on the media player
> b) ssh into the media player from your laptop
> c) launch the media application from within the ssh session
> d) have the gui frontend forwarded to your laptop
>
> But it might be better to use a media player with client/server support.
> I don't use a central music server, so I have no recommendations,
> but here are a few for you to look at:
>
>
> Music Player Daemon (in early alpha):
> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki
>
> XMMS2 (in "developer release" stage)
> http://xmms2.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> MediaTomb (has Web UI support)
> http://mediatomb.cc/
>
> Mike
>



From david at sterryit.com  Mon Aug  2 15:01:26 2010
From: david at sterryit.com (David Sterry)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:01:26 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <4C5739CC.2070502@michaelshiloh.com>
References: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>	<AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5739CC.2070502@michaelshiloh.com>
Message-ID: <4C574036.7070304@sterryit.com>

Michael Shiloh wrote:
> I have received a number of these suggested solutions, but my issue is
> that they all seem like hacks. For one, this requires software on the
> client other than a web browser. Easy enough for my Linux laptop, but
> what about my girlfriend's Windows or Mac machines?
>
> I don't understand why this feature isn't built in to the apps in the
> first place, for example, like cups. Surely I can't be the first to
> want this feature?
>
> But perhaps I'm missing something fundamental
Rigel's solution below seems like your best bet and is what I would do.
It sounds like you can just use your web browser...all the other
software is on the server.

Rigel Christian wrote:
> ampache with MPD integration is how i do this.



From rigelc at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 15:24:35 2010
From: rigelc at gmail.com (Rigel Christian)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:24:35 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <4C574036.7070304@sterryit.com>
References: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5739CC.2070502@michaelshiloh.com>
	<4C574036.7070304@sterryit.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik8OepH1434OPzPYg2fY99GeukULOav8qSqPR_X@mail.gmail.com>

incidentally, mpd is overbuilt for this, as it wants to integrate the
whole library, but ampache is feeding it URIs. or at least thats how i
interpret it. is there a better player for this maybe?


On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:01 PM, David Sterry <david at sterryit.com> wrote:
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> I have received a number of these suggested solutions, but my issue is
>> that they all seem like hacks. For one, this requires software on the
>> client other than a web browser. Easy enough for my Linux laptop, but
>> what about my girlfriend's Windows or Mac machines?
>>
>> I don't understand why this feature isn't built in to the apps in the
>> first place, for example, like cups. Surely I can't be the first to
>> want this feature?
>>
>> But perhaps I'm missing something fundamental
> Rigel's solution below seems like your best bet and is what I would do.
> It sounds like you can just use your web browser...all the other
> software is on the server.
>
> Rigel Christian wrote:
>> ampache with MPD integration is how i do this.
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>



From steve at theProfessionalAmateur.com  Mon Aug  2 15:36:09 2010
From: steve at theProfessionalAmateur.com (Steve Castellotti)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:36:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <4C5739CC.2070502@michaelshiloh.com>
References: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>	<AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5739CC.2070502@michaelshiloh.com>
Message-ID: <4C574859.8050809@theProfessionalAmateur.com>


     Have a look at XBMC:

http://xbmc.org


     Its more of a complete music/video/streaming solution with a 
set-top box type target configuration, but will run as a distinct 
application on a Linux desktop, and comes with a fairly complete 
web-based control mechanism. I see from the front page they have an 
Android remote control app too.

     I run mine off a USB stick, booting into XBMC when its plugged in, 
booting into a normal Linux box when its not. Plug in a standard 
Microsoft Media Center IR remote control and its pre-configure to go.

     Make sure you have a dig through the plugins and updates 
repository. There's lots of handy modes like YouTube streaming and so on.


Cheers

Steve Castellotti


On 08/02/2010 02:34 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> I have received a number of these suggested solutions, but my issue is 
> that they all seem like hacks. For one, this requires software on the 
> client other than a web browser. Easy enough for my Linux laptop, but 
> what about my girlfriend's Windows or Mac machines?
>
> I don't understand why this feature isn't built in to the apps in the 
> first place, for example, like cups. Surely I can't be the first to 
> want this feature?
>
> But perhaps I'm missing something fundamental
>
>> A no-extra-software-required solution:
>>
>> a) turn on X11 forwarding in the sshd_config on the media player
>> b) ssh into the media player from your laptop
>> c) launch the media application from within the ssh session
>> d) have the gui frontend forwarded to your laptop




From steve at theProfessionalAmateur.com  Mon Aug  2 15:40:23 2010
From: steve at theProfessionalAmateur.com (Steve Castellotti)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:40:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <4C574859.8050809@theProfessionalAmateur.com>
References: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>	<AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com>	<4C5739CC.2070502@michaelshiloh.com>
	<4C574859.8050809@theProfessionalAmateur.com>
Message-ID: <4C574957.40403@theProfessionalAmateur.com>


     Oh, and one more quick suggestion-

     Run your normal media player inside a VNC session.

     You can attach to the session from the same computer, from your 
laptop, or from your girlfriend's windows/mac system.

     If web-based is critical just use a java applet or flash-based VNC 
client (c:


Cheers

Steve


On 08/02/2010 03:36 PM, Steve Castellotti wrote:
>
>     Have a look at XBMC:
>
> http://xbmc.org
>
>
>     Its more of a complete music/video/streaming solution with a 
> set-top box type target configuration, but will run as a distinct 
> application on a Linux desktop, and comes with a fairly complete 
> web-based control mechanism. I see from the front page they have an 
> Android remote control app too.
>
>     I run mine off a USB stick, booting into XBMC when its plugged in, 
> booting into a normal Linux box when its not. Plug in a standard 
> Microsoft Media Center IR remote control and its pre-configure to go.
>
>     Make sure you have a dig through the plugins and updates 
> repository. There's lots of handy modes like YouTube streaming and so on.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve Castellotti
>
>
> On 08/02/2010 02:34 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> I have received a number of these suggested solutions, but my issue 
>> is that they all seem like hacks. For one, this requires software on 
>> the client other than a web browser. Easy enough for my Linux laptop, 
>> but what about my girlfriend's Windows or Mac machines?
>>
>> I don't understand why this feature isn't built in to the apps in the 
>> first place, for example, like cups. Surely I can't be the first to 
>> want this feature?
>>
>> But perhaps I'm missing something fundamental
>>
>>> A no-extra-software-required solution:
>>>
>>> a) turn on X11 forwarding in the sshd_config on the media player
>>> b) ssh into the media player from your laptop
>>> c) launch the media application from within the ssh session
>>> d) have the gui frontend forwarded to your laptop




From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 16:11:47 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:11:47 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrW2HawpHwgEzov43hdCJNKP-vnhiF5UrTd5xf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>	<AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrW2HawpHwgEzov43hdCJNKP-vnhiF5UrTd5xf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5750B3.5010306@michaelshiloh.com>

thanks, I'll give it a look.

Says streaming. IIRC I looked at this awhile ago, and while I could 
control it remotely, it insisted on sending the audio to the controlling 
device.

I don't want it to come out of  my laptop, I want it to come out of the 
audio system I have plugged into my server.



On 08/02/2010 02:05 PM, Rigel Christian wrote:
> ampache with MPD integration is how i do this.
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Mike Higashi<mhigashi at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Michael Shiloh
>> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been unable to find a music player that supports web control. I have
>>> found many that will stream the media via a web page, but that's not what I
>>> want. I want to select the music to play, and then have it play on the
>>> server.
>>>
>>> I did find a plugin for Exaile that is supposed to do this, however it's
>>> buggy, lacks full support for Exaile, and doesn't look like it's in
>>> development or maintenance.
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a solution to my need?
>>
>> A no-extra-software-required solution:
>>
>> a) turn on X11 forwarding in the sshd_config on the media player
>> b) ssh into the media player from your laptop
>> c) launch the media application from within the ssh session
>> d) have the gui frontend forwarded to your laptop
>>
>> But it might be better to use a media player with client/server support.
>> I don't use a central music server, so I have no recommendations,
>> but here are a few for you to look at:
>>
>>
>> Music Player Daemon (in early alpha):
>> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki
>>
>> XMMS2 (in "developer release" stage)
>> http://xmms2.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>
>> MediaTomb (has Web UI support)
>> http://mediatomb.cc/
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>



From mhigashi at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 17:31:55 2010
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:31:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <4C5739CC.2070502@michaelshiloh.com>
References: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5739CC.2070502@michaelshiloh.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=iSebokyJ6iLKFWYstrs5Z+Q9F-y7x34z71Yvv@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have received a number of these suggested solutions, but my issue is that
> they all seem like hacks. For one, this requires software on the client
> other than a web browser. Easy enough for my Linux laptop, but what about my
> girlfriend's Windows or Mac machines?

How do you feel about using a Firefox extension?

Music Player Minion is a Firefox client for the Music Player Daemon:
http://code.google.com/p/musicpm/

Most of the reviews on Mozilla.org give it 5 stars (the highest rating),
and it's inherently cross-platform.

Mike



From bliss at sfo.com  Mon Aug  2 22:35:19 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:35:19 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Re:Researcher involved with Noisebridge detained at
 U.S. border, questioned about Wikileaks
Message-ID: <sig.8831041a26.4C57AA97.4040305@sfo.com>


Quoting from the article"Appelbaum is a hacker and security researcher 
who co-founded the Noisebrigge hacker space in
San Francisco's Mission district. He's also worked to bypass the 
security <http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10300233-83.html> of "smart" 
parking meters, unearth flaws in Web
security certificates, and discover a novel way to bypass hard drive 
encryption."

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [ Researcher detained at U.S. border, questioned about 
Wikileaks
Date: 	Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:39:45 -0700
From: 	Alan Crandall <snip>
: 	

	



On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Odd H. Sandvik<snipped>  wrote:

>  "Appelbaum, a U.S. citizen, was taken into a room, frisked and his bag
>  was searched. Receipts from his bag were photocopied and his laptop was
>  inspected but it's not clear in what manner, the sources said. Officials
>  from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the U.S. Army then told
>  him he was not under arrest but was being detained, the sources said.
>  They asked questions about Wikileaks, asked for his opinions about the
>  wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and asked where Wikileaks founder Julian
>  Assange is, but he declined to comment without a lawyer present,
>  according to the sources. He was not permitted to make a phone call,
>  they said."
>
>  http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20012253-245.html
>
>

Obamas'  SS at work
and we thought he was going to save us ! :(

-- 
if you bought it
a truck driver brought it
--------------------------------------------
	End of forwarded post.

	Gonna look at Tor.
	very interesting
	later
	bliss




From embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 15:25:33 2010
From: embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com (Jesse Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:25:33 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux media (music) player with web server control
In-Reply-To: <4C5750B3.5010306@michaelshiloh.com>
References: <4C570293.9010002@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik0cjw-Jaz59Vf1MTORH4mTJ9rtujt-GqEq7Ted@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimrW2HawpHwgEzov43hdCJNKP-vnhiF5UrTd5xf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C5750B3.5010306@michaelshiloh.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVNevWCrT1b_oKjiw=SK8mjdt3z_VaZNVKTJmK@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't want it to come out of ?my laptop, I want it to come out of the
> audio system I have plugged into my server.

I am setting up exactly the same thing for a coffee shop in town. I
agree with the poster who said to check out VNC. Our server will be
running Ubuntu, and I am planning to run TightVNC server. Many free
VNC clients are available for all platforms.

An alternative I have read a little about is using the NX protocol
instead of VNC. There is a free NX server from Google. However the
advantage is mostly on high-latency Internet links, so for a local
network VNC is probably just as good or better.

http://code.google.com/p/neatx/

If VNC is too slow you might want to just SSH in and use a text-mode
player; I had good luck with MP3Blaster in the past, although you have
to learn the interface, you can't just guess at it.

http://mp3blaster.sourceforge.net/#screenshots

If you really want a web interface I don't know of one out of the box,
however I think you could write a wrapper around mplayer with
Python/Perl and implement a CGI or Ajax Web UI. Sounds like a fun
project!



From embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 15:54:07 2010
From: embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com (Jesse Zbikowski)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:54:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <20100731040539.GH5552@shallowsky.com>
References: <1280536505.1679.161.camel@jim-laptop>
	<AANLkTin5gYb9vgH9O79zF1kiiSt205qmGSHqyY=WL9SN@mail.gmail.com> 
	<737627519-1280532800-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1074180852-@bda504.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<833547.2500.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTinduPSwpu7BnDLWDpygEzQHZ--7i=2r0bZWDXLY@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100731040539.GH5552@shallowsky.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=oEp_3Eg4fqcz42Ug0-qqw1P95PkNJyc=tp_rg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Akkana Peck <akkana at shallowsky.com> wrote:
> $ !-4:gs/foo/bar
>
> runs the fourth-to-last command, replacing every foo with bar
> (gs means global substitute).

That's pretty cool. I was afraid to use history expansion until I discovered

$ shopt -s histverify

(setopt histverify in Zsh). This lets you see and edit the expanded
command before hitting enter; useful for when you accidentally type

$ rm -rf junk
$ !!:s/junk/*



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 15:58:48 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:58:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=oEp_3Eg4fqcz42Ug0-qqw1P95PkNJyc=tp_rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1280536505.1679.161.camel@jim-laptop>	<AANLkTin5gYb9vgH9O79zF1kiiSt205qmGSHqyY=WL9SN@mail.gmail.com>
	<737627519-1280532800-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1074180852-@bda504.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>	<833547.2500.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<AANLkTinduPSwpu7BnDLWDpygEzQHZ--7i=2r0bZWDXLY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100731040539.GH5552@shallowsky.com>
	<AANLkTi=oEp_3Eg4fqcz42Ug0-qqw1P95PkNJyc=tp_rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C59F0A8.5060004@gmail.com>

Zing! A great one. Thanks Jesse. Right into my "important hints" file.

On 08/04/2010 03:54 PM, Jesse Zbikowski wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Akkana Peck<akkana at shallowsky.com>  wrote:
>> $ !-4:gs/foo/bar
>>
>> runs the fourth-to-last command, replacing every foo with bar
>> (gs means global substitute).
>
> That's pretty cool. I was afraid to use history expansion until I discovered
>
> $ shopt -s histverify
>
> (setopt histverify in Zsh). This lets you see and edit the expanded
> command before hitting enter; useful for when you accidentally type
>
> $ rm -rf junk
> $ !!:s/junk/*
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>

-- 
Sent from my ASR-33



From mhigashi at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 20:33:36 2010
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:33:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <4C59F0A8.5060004@gmail.com>
References: <1280536505.1679.161.camel@jim-laptop>
	<AANLkTin5gYb9vgH9O79zF1kiiSt205qmGSHqyY=WL9SN@mail.gmail.com>
	<737627519-1280532800-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1074180852-@bda504.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<833547.2500.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTinduPSwpu7BnDLWDpygEzQHZ--7i=2r0bZWDXLY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100731040539.GH5552@shallowsky.com>
	<AANLkTi=oEp_3Eg4fqcz42Ug0-qqw1P95PkNJyc=tp_rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C59F0A8.5060004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=m20nD51JpTRadgPbHgtv3mZnxm69-1x79WsnG@mail.gmail.com>

A few more simple little tips that I use often, but forgot to mention earlier:


1)  ls -ltr    List files in reverse chronological order, so newest
files are at the bottom.

For example, if I'm in the /var/log directory, run some program,
then want to see what log files were most recently touched.


2)  ls -lSr   List files by size, in reverse order, so biggest
disk hogs are at the bottom.


3)  ps axf    The 'f' adds a tree structure to the process list.

(Note that there's no dash. WIth GNU version of ps, using or
not using dashes changes the behavior between BSD and
SYS5 Unix.)


Mike



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Aug  4 23:57:19 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:57:19 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=m20nD51JpTRadgPbHgtv3mZnxm69-1x79WsnG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1280536505.1679.161.camel@jim-laptop>
	<AANLkTin5gYb9vgH9O79zF1kiiSt205qmGSHqyY=WL9SN@mail.gmail.com>
	<737627519-1280532800-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1074180852-@bda504.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<833547.2500.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTinduPSwpu7BnDLWDpygEzQHZ--7i=2r0bZWDXLY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100731040539.GH5552@shallowsky.com>
	<AANLkTi=oEp_3Eg4fqcz42Ug0-qqw1P95PkNJyc=tp_rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C59F0A8.5060004@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=m20nD51JpTRadgPbHgtv3mZnxm69-1x79WsnG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100805065719.GQ6295@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Mike Higashi (mhigashi at gmail.com):

> 2)  ls -lSr   List files by size, in reverse order, so biggest
> disk hogs are at the bottom.

Biggest files within an entire _tree_:
find . -xdev -type f -print0 | xargs  ls -l | sort -rn -k 5 | head -20

(People often answer with shell expressions that list the largest
files and _directories_, but that's a different and easier problem.)




From mhigashi at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 11:36:28 2010
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:36:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] My favorite simple little Linux tips
In-Reply-To: <20100805065719.GQ6295@linuxmafia.com>
References: <1280536505.1679.161.camel@jim-laptop>
	<AANLkTin5gYb9vgH9O79zF1kiiSt205qmGSHqyY=WL9SN@mail.gmail.com>
	<737627519-1280532800-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1074180852-@bda504.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<833547.2500.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTinduPSwpu7BnDLWDpygEzQHZ--7i=2r0bZWDXLY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim8z6wBbYhrc7aKy5a=ZKXDMqSbghyf21rJRUfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100731040539.GH5552@shallowsky.com>
	<AANLkTi=oEp_3Eg4fqcz42Ug0-qqw1P95PkNJyc=tp_rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C59F0A8.5060004@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=m20nD51JpTRadgPbHgtv3mZnxm69-1x79WsnG@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100805065719.GQ6295@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinPvCwLp4ThzXU-N+EKnO69HgKuVrV_fHf5BKNL@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
>
> Biggest files within an entire _tree_:
> find . -xdev -type f -print0 | xargs ?ls -l | sort -rn -k 5 | head -20

That's a real nice demonstration of the use of find. I use it a lot,
but often don't go beyond the switches I'm already familiar with,
so I learned something new here.


> (People often answer with shell expressions that list the largest
> files and _directories_, but that's a different and easier problem.)

As you say, my usual inclination would be to do something like:

find . -type f -size +100M -ls

or:

find . -type f -size +100M -exec du -h {} \;

With either of these two the results are not sorted by size, and it's
up to you to pick a reasonable minimum size to search for, to
keep the number of files in the result set at a reasonable level.


Mike



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 19:31:29 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:31:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Android phones now selling 200k / day
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=G=A3MKvNTCEmOffO6bmSN-NJM5ifL-zkjgxoK@mail.gmail.com>

http://m.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/08/google-200000-android-phones/
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From nbs at sonic.net  Sat Aug  7 03:37:06 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 03:37:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	August 16: Short film screening "Patent Absurdity"
Message-ID: <201008071037.o77Ab694030195@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding its next meeting on:

  Monday
  August 16, 2010
  7:00pm - 9:00pm


The meeting will be held at:

  Explorit Science Center  (Mace Ranch Facility)
  3141 5th Street
  Davis, California 95616


Presentation:

  "Patent Absurdity: How Software Patents Broke the System" screening

  This short film explores the case of software patents and the history
  of judicial activism that led to their rise, and the harm being done
  to software developers and the wider economy.  The film is based on a
  series of interviews conducted during the Supreme Court's review of
  'in re Bilski' -- a case that could have profound implications for
  the patenting of software.


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/


About LUGOD:

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From andrewevansc at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 21:37:03 2010
From: andrewevansc at gmail.com (Andrew E)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:37:03 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Re:Researcher involved with Noisebridge detained
	at U.S. border, questioned about Wikileaks
In-Reply-To: <sig.8831041a26.4C57AA97.4040305@sfo.com>
References: <sig.8831041a26.4C57AA97.4040305@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinfif59BHxuE=p05oafrbKDn2s-qCh3bSSw-cOh@mail.gmail.com>

Seriously, we need to share this kind of knowledge with one another because
that's just the coolest thing ever. No more tickets is like heaven.

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com> wrote:

>
> Quoting from the article"Appelbaum is a hacker and security researcher who
> co-founded the Noisebrigge hacker space in
> San Francisco's Mission district. He's also worked to bypass the security <
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10300233-83.html> of "smart" parking
> meters, unearth flaws in Web
> security certificates, and discover a novel way to bypass hard drive
> encryption."
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:        Re: [ Researcher detained at U.S. border, questioned about
> Wikileaks
> Date:   Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:39:45 -0700
> From:   Alan Crandall <snip>
> :
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Odd H. Sandvik<snipped>  wrote:
>
>   "Appelbaum, a U.S. citizen, was taken into a room, frisked and his bag
>>  was searched. Receipts from his bag were photocopied and his laptop was
>>  inspected but it's not clear in what manner, the sources said. Officials
>>  from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the U.S. Army then told
>>  him he was not under arrest but was being detained, the sources said.
>>  They asked questions about Wikileaks, asked for his opinions about the
>>  wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and asked where Wikileaks founder Julian
>>  Assange is, but he declined to comment without a lawyer present,
>>  according to the sources. He was not permitted to make a phone call,
>>  they said."
>>
>>  http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20012253-245.html
>>
>>
>>
> Obamas'  SS at work
> and we thought he was going to save us ! :(
>
> --
> if you bought it
> a truck driver brought it
> --------------------------------------------
>        End of forwarded post.
>
>        Gonna look at Tor.
>        very interesting
>        later
>        bliss
>
>
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 11:48:42 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:48:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux schools help needed
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBNhL4L1UUf7TgxgV+KDbNELExQ4K65YYhQ3UX@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

Would anyone like to help get schools set up with Linux in the SF Bay Area?
 We need someone to just basically do low-tech stuff like go over to the
schools, visit with the teachers, hold their hands a bit, and do a little
bit of troubleshooting.  Thanks either way.

Here are the schools and where they are located.  These are all public
schools.

Ascend Charter in Oakland.

KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy in San Francisco (Western Addition)

International Studies Academy in SF (Potrero Hill)

Precita Beacon Center (Potrero Hill).

Creative Arts Charter School (Western Addition)

Thanks again for considering my request.
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From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Aug 12 09:57:35 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:57:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting next Monday..
Message-ID: <sig.1840a62d33.4C6427FF.5000208@sfo.com>

Hi Luggers,

     Meeting at the Cafe Enchante, 26th and Geary,
 From 6-8 PM on Monday, August 16, 2010!

     Be there or be some more important place,
(like a hospital for heart surgery)?

     later
     Bobbie Sellers




From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Aug 12 14:12:37 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:12:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Protests at Google?
Message-ID: <sig.1840a6e377.4C6463C5.5080401@sfo.com>


     Anyone want to read more about this matter?

     Later
     Bobbie Sellers



From dymondog at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 12 19:17:11 2010
From: dymondog at yahoo.com (Robert Briley)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:17:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Samba on Ubuntu
Message-ID: <957765.11966.qm@web43135.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have a pair of ubuntu machines one of which controls a printer.? However the second machine has stopped printing to it.? This has happened before and I solved the problem by reinstalling the printer.?? However in this case when I attempted to reinstall the printer on the second box, it sees the server but does not see the printer.? 

Recreating the printer on the server is of no use.? After much tinkering on the server I reaized that the windows machine on the network has no problem printing, so I believe the problem is on the 2nd ubuntu machine.? 

Any suggestions o fhow to get samba working so I can print to accross the netwwork?

Robert


Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true.
- - Martin Luther King, Jr.


      
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From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 13 08:49:54 2010
From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:49:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Fw: Our voices - A friend in the Senate - Net Neutrality
Message-ID: <790291.63507.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Al Franken <no-reply at alfranken.com>
To: Vincent Polite <vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 8:36:30 AM
Subject: Our voices

Al Franken for Senate 2014 - Email Update  
 
Dear Vincent,
Wow.
In just a few short weeks, more than 85,000 people have signed my petition to 
protect net neutrality and stop the corporate takeover of our media.
And as corporations continue to plot mergers that would reduce consumer choice 
on television and agreements that might undermine the free flow of information 
online, it's more important than ever that we stand together and make our voices 
heard.
As I've said before, the Comcast/NBC merger could be the spark for a new wave of 
media consolidation that would leave a few companies in control -- both of the 
pipes through which we receive programming and of that programming itself.
And if we don't act now to protect net neutrality and keep the Internet free and 
open, that corporate control will soon extend online.
This is a tough fight.  We're up against some of the biggest corporations in 
America and, thanks to the Citizens United decision, their influence over our 
political system has never been stronger.
But our government -- regulators, members of Congress, the Obama administration 
-- still gets a say in this.  They can put stringent restrictions on mergers 
like Comcast/NBC.  They can take steps to mitigate corporate influence in our 
regulatory system and our elections.
And, maybe most important of all, they can write the principle of net neutrality 
into law so that, no matter what happens, we can count on a free and open 
Internet.
But first, we have to make them do it.
I'm so proud of our effort so far.  And in the weeks ahead, I'm going to keep 
asking more and more people to join us so that our voices can be heard loud and 
clear.
It's going to be a tough fight.  But with your help, we can win it.
Thanks for everything,

Al
P.S. -- If you want to help me keep the momentum going strong, you can tell your 
friends on Twitter and Facebook and encourage them to sign our petition.  Or you 
can direct people to my speech at Netroots Nation and op-ed on CNN.com for more 
information.  And, I suppose, you could always chip in a few bucks to help us 
reach more supporters.  Thanks!
Paid for and authorized by Al Franken for Senate 2014
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 09:29:54 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:29:54 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Protest @ noon today @ Google HQ
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=9UL=k8qD9TSv_YVTRZcg13M3y8ci+EcTfp7Hc@mail.gmail.com>

I like much of what Google does for Free Software, but their recent decision
to support a lockdown of wireless Nets is a bad idea.  If u have some free
time today, and would like let our friends a Google know that u don't
support a lockdown of the Internet, here is the info on the protest.  They
should pobably be protesting Verizon Wireless, which is the realbdriving
force behind this bad policy.

http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/article.php?CALL_URL=http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367780,00.asp
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From cymraegish at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 20:33:18 2010
From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:33:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Samba on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <957765.11966.qm@web43135.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <957765.11966.qm@web43135.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinOQCLeCEJpuprg9p2qqkmnj9cYEFneVWQqyVJe@mail.gmail.com>

? remove and reinstall samba-client ?

Brian

On 8/12/10, Robert Briley <dymondog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have a pair of ubuntu machines one of which controls a printer.? However
> the second machine has stopped printing to it.? This has happened before and
> I solved the problem by reinstalling the printer.?? However in this case
> when I attempted to reinstall the printer on the second box, it sees the
> server but does not see the printer.
>
> Recreating the printer on the server is of no use.? After much tinkering on
> the server I reaized that the windows machine on the network has no problem
> printing, so I believe the problem is on the 2nd ubuntu machine.
>
> Any suggestions o fhow to get samba working so I can print to accross the
> netwwork?
>
> Robert
>
>
> Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to
> describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the
> true with the false and the false with the true.
> - - Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
>
>



From algoldor at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 14 13:34:40 2010
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:34:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] try uri
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1281812402.515.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
References: <mailman.1.1281812402.515.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <467066.9184.qm@web111506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi there,
Under 10.04 I've created printer server and connected the printer directly by 
USB to it. In case of other computers (all with Ubuntu 10.04) I've just found 
the printer and did the basic set up. I do not remember exactly the procedure 
but this should sort it out.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu

I think that I actually used uri "scheme/address" and set it up on each 
computer, but I do not remember how I did find the uri by it self.


I've to say that I had a problem to deal with windows and osx machines on the 
same network. 

Let us now please, how did you sort it out, I can send the manual back to 
Chiapas, Mexico, where I was administrating - they still have problems.

Sincerely,

Frantisek





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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:33:18 -0700
From: Brian Morris <cymraegish at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Samba on Ubuntu
To: Robert Briley <dymondog at yahoo.com>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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? remove and reinstall samba-client ?

Brian

On 8/12/10, Robert Briley <dymondog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have a pair of ubuntu machines one of which controls a printer.? However
> the second machine has stopped printing to it.? This has happened before and
> I solved the problem by reinstalling the printer.?? However in this case
> when I attempted to reinstall the printer on the second box, it sees the
> server but does not see the printer.
>
> Recreating the printer on the server is of no use.? After much tinkering on
> the server I reaized that the windows machine on the network has no problem
> printing, so I believe the problem is on the 2nd ubuntu machine.
>
> Any suggestions o fhow to get samba working so I can print to accross the
> netwwork?
>
> Robert
>
>
> Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to
> describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the
> true with the false and the false with the true.
> - - Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
>
>



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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 14 15:05:16 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:05:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux schools help needed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinBNhL4L1UUf7TgxgV+KDbNELExQ4K65YYhQ3UX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinBNhL4L1UUf7TgxgV+KDbNELExQ4K65YYhQ3UX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBmfdno0VBX3V3fXNtfGa_LP-v3rTdxjLKOy3Y@mail.gmail.com>

We will be working tomorrow from 10-2 at Creative Arts and KIPP.  If u r
interested in helping, u cd txt me @ 415-351-1300. Sorry for the late
notice.  Due the nature of my job (lots of last minute briefs) I can't alwys
make plans.

On Aug 11, 2010 11:48 AM, "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

Would anyone like to help get schools set up with Linux in the SF Bay Area?
 We need someone to just basically do low-tech stuff like go over to the
schools, visit with the teachers, hold their hands a bit, and do a little
bit of troubleshooting.  Thanks either way.

Here are the schools and where they are located.  These are all public
schools.

Ascend Charter in Oakland.

KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy in San Francisco (Western Addition)

International Studies Academy in SF (Potrero Hill)

Precita Beacon Center (Potrero Hill).

Creative Arts Charter School (Western Addition)

Thanks again for considering my request.
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 08:25:09 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:25:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux schools work today
Message-ID: <AANLkTinVMSEEkFRL8PiGg4=0j3B0QxocDZ0GQ=NDOGs8@mail.gmail.com>

We will be working today at two of the schools that are running Linux for
kids: the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy at Geary and Scott streets in San
Francisco; and the Creative Arts Charter School at Pierce and Turk.  We will
be working from 10-2, with Pizza at 2 pm courtesy of attorney Albert Stoll.
These two public schools are only 3 blocks apart.  There will be plenty of
free parking.

We will be putting in a new network in the classroom of a new teacher at
KIPP, and we will be reconfiguring networks in a few classrooms at Creative
Arts.  I will need to stop my work at 2, but anyone who wants to stay and
continue to do work can do so until 5 pm.

Please contact Christian Einfeldt at 415-351-1300 five minutes before your
arrival in the neighborhood so that we can get you into gated parking.  Thx!
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From bliss at sfo.com  Mon Aug 16 21:04:48 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:04:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting tonite
Message-ID: <sig.984527cb19.4C6A0A60.7080701@sfo.com>

     Very sparsely attended.
     Myself and Eric.
     Eric solved a problem that I had there in that
my computer could access the wireless fine but
it could not use the http browser except curiously
for Chrome,  I tried not only the standby Firefox
but the Konqueror and Opera.
     Neither could find even Google.
     I even tried Windows Firefox and it worked.
     So Thunderbird could not send or receive regular
emali from my regular mail server.

     But it could access my Usenet server in Europe.

     Eric puzzled it out eventually.
     IVP6 had been enabled in my new install of
Mandriva 2010.1 .  For some reason it worked
fine at home but in the Cafe it went nowhere
very fast.
     Once repaired and restarted it began to
function normally/

     A lot of people have had trouble with
using the net at Cafe Enchante so I offer this
experience in hope it may help.

     later
     Bobbie Sellers



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Aug 16 21:14:08 2010
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:14:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2010-08-17 BALUG meeting;
	& other BALUG news
Message-ID: <20100816211408.92529uifavi0pqxw@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2010-08-17 BALUG meeting; & other BALUG news

In this issue (details further below):
2010-08-17 Tu: TOMORROW! BALUG meeting
Linux/Ubuntu CDs
2010-08-21 Sa: Picn*x 19 - The Linux 19th Anniversary Picnic

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-08-17

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our 2010-08-17 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have
a specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that
doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings.
Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to
announce or fully publicise the speaker (that's happened at least twice
in the past five or so years - including last month's meeting).  Got
questions, answers, and/or opinions?  We typically have some expert(s)
and/or relative expert(s) present to cover LINUX and related topic
areas.  Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and other
topics?  Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if
you wish.  Want to help ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up
for future meetings?  Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be
one of the speaker coordinators.  Good food, good people, and
interesting conversations to be had.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                    rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they help ensure that we'll be
able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

                    6:30pm
                    Tuesday, August 17th, 2010 2010-08-17

                    Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                    731 Grant Ave.
                    San Francisco, CA 94108
                    Easy PARKING:
                      Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                      http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
          cash, we give you a gift of dinner ticket to join us for a yummy
          family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also
          helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to
          defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

------------------------------

We'll also have various Linux/Ubuntu CDs available at the 2010-08-17
BALUG meeting (and likely also future meetings as long as our supply
lasts/continues), most notably presently including:
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Desktop CD PC (Intel x86) i386
(also at least some Fedora, Knoppix, and other Ubuntu variants presently)
Thanks to Grant Bowman and the Ubuntu California Team for getting CDs to
us.

------------------------------

2010-08-21 Sa: Picn*x 19 - The Linux 19th Anniversary Picnic
http://www.linuxpicnic.org/

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Aug 17 00:23:09 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:23:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting tonite
In-Reply-To: <sig.984527cb19.4C6A0A60.7080701@sfo.com>
References: <sig.984527cb19.4C6A0A60.7080701@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <20100817072309.GV18988@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):

>     Eric puzzled it out eventually.
>     IVP6 had been enabled in my new install of
> Mandriva 2010.1 .  For some reason it worked
> fine at home but in the Cafe it went nowhere
> very fast.

Most likely, differences of available DNS.  The default recursive
nameserver you're using at home is IPv6-compatible.  The default
recursive nameserver you're using at Cafe Enchante is not.

This discussion has come up on sf-lug before, most recently in April.
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2010q2/007696.html
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2010q2/007694.html

As always, I'm obliged to ask:  Why not just run a local recursive DNS
nameserver, and use it?  It's not like it's difficult.




From bliss at sfo.com  Tue Aug 17 12:57:38 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:57:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting tonite
In-Reply-To: <20100817072309.GV18988@linuxmafia.com>
References: <4C6A0A60.7080701@sfo.com> <20100817072309.GV18988@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <sig.68455c1742.4C6AE9B2.1050909@sfo.com>

On 08/17/2010 12:23 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):
>
>
>>      Eric puzzled it out eventually.
>>      IVP6 had been enabled in my new install of
>> Mandriva 2010.1 .  For some reason it worked
>> fine at home but in the Cafe it went nowhere
>> very fast.
>>
> Most likely, differences of available DNS.  The default recursive
> nameserver you're using at home is IPv6-compatible.  The default
> recursive nameserver you're using at Cafe Enchante is not.
>
> This discussion has come up on sf-lug before, most recently in April.
> http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2010q2/007696.html
> http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2010q2/007694.html
>
> As always, I'm obliged to ask:  Why not just run a local recursive DNS
> nameserver, and use it?  It's not like it's difficult.
>
>
     I hope it is not difficult but will continue with my present setup 
for a while after getting the software on the machine this morning.

     later
     Bobbie



From bill at wards.net  Wed Aug 18 12:00:06 2010
From: bill at wards.net (bill at wards.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:00:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] NEXT WEEK: PenLUG meeting 08/25/2010
Message-ID: <E1Olnrq-0003O9-F2@mail.westernweb.com>

PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS:

   +----------------------------------------------+
   |Date:    |Wednesday, August 25, 2010          |
   |---------+------------------------------------|
   |Time:    |6:00 - 8:00 PM                      |
   |---------+------------------------------------|
   |         |Bayshore Technology Park            |
   |Location:|1300 Island Drive                   |
   |         |Redwood City, CA 94065              |
   |         |Suite 106 - Training Room           |
   |---------+------------------------------------|
   |RSVP:    |Facebook: (event link coming soon)  |
   |         |or mail rsvp at penlug.org             |
   +----------------------------------------------+

   Note we are now meeting on Wednesdays! Since March 2010, we moved to the
   fourth Wednesday of each month (except in November and December, when we
   will meet on the second Wednesday to avoid holiday conflicts). The meeting
   is hosted by NewlineNoosh. There is no sponsor for food/drinks, so please
   bring a potluck item to share.

   Agenda:

     * 6:00 PM Potluck snacks
     * 6:15 PM Free book giveaways or other prizes
     * 6:30 PM Presentation begins
     * 8:00 PM Meeting ends

  Linux Configuration and Diagnostics: Tips and Tricks

   I will suggest best practices for running Linux in production in
   real-world environments. I'll offer advice on how to set up servers so as
   to simplify diagnosis and resolution of problems. Listeners will learn how
   to optimize kernel configurations and parameter tuning, and how to use
   open-source diagnostic tools and best practices that enable fixing of
   problems the first time they occur. Greg will review recommendations for
   generating entropy, for reading Enterprise Linux release notes, and for
   interpretation of system core files.

  Greg Marsden

   Greg is the Enterprise Linux Development Manager for Oracle.

RSVP

  Although it is not required, we like to have an idea of how many
  people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you
  are planning to attend.

GETTING THERE

  For information on getting to the meeting, please see:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Island+Drive,+Redwood+City,+CA
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/DrivingDirectionsQualys
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/TransitDirectionsQualys

  Traffic on 101 can be pretty bad in the evening, so we encourage you
  to check traffic conditions before driving by dialing 5-1-1 on your
  phone or visiting www.511.org, and if possible to take public transit
  (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting.

MORE INFORMATION

  See www.penlug.org for more information.


This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists:
	members at penlug.org
	announce at penlug.org
	sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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	svlug at lists.svlug.org
	svevents at yahoogroups.com
	vox at lists.lugod.org

  Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes.



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 13:41:50 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:41:50 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
Message-ID: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>

Every so often I am reminded that when sorting messages by threads, no 
mail tool that I'm familiar with is able to include sent messages as 
well as received messages.

(I am told that Google mail does this, but for some reason I don't want 
to use a web based mail tool.)

When I am reminded of this lacking feature, I think: "Surely my 
knowledge is dated, and by now some mail tool must support this feature".

Thus my question: Is anyone aware of a mail reader with this feature?

Thanks,
Michael



From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Aug 19 15:26:36 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:26:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
In-Reply-To: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>
References: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <sig.68477f1e6d.4C6DAF9C.4030706@sfo.com>

On 08/19/2010 01:41 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> Every so often I am reminded that when sorting messages by threads, no 
> mail tool that I'm familiar with is able to include sent messages as 
> well as received messages.
>
> (I am told that Google mail does this, but for some reason I don't 
> want to use a web based mail tool.)
>
> When I am reminded of this lacking feature, I think: "Surely my 
> knowledge is dated, and by now some mail tool must support this feature".
>
> Thus my question: Is anyone aware of a mail reader with this feature?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
     Mozilla Thunderbird.
     later
     Bobbie



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 15:36:47 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:36:47 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
In-Reply-To: <sig.68477f1e6d.4C6DAF9C.4030706@sfo.com>
References: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>
	<sig.68477f1e6d.4C6DAF9C.4030706@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <4C6DB1FF.5080202@michaelshiloh.com>



On 08/19/2010 03:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 08/19/2010 01:41 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Every so often I am reminded that when sorting messages by threads, no
>> mail tool that I'm familiar with is able to include sent messages as
>> well as received messages.
>>
>> (I am told that Google mail does this, but for some reason I don't
>> want to use a web based mail tool.)
>>
>> When I am reminded of this lacking feature, I think: "Surely my
>> knowledge is dated, and by now some mail tool must support this feature".
>>
>> Thus my question: Is anyone aware of a mail reader with this feature?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
> Mozilla Thunderbird.


really?? that's what i use, and i can't find that feature. how do you 
enable it?



From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Aug 19 17:04:59 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:04:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
In-Reply-To: <4C6DB1FF.5080202@michaelshiloh.com>
References: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com> <4C6DAF9C.4030706@sfo.com>
	<4C6DB1FF.5080202@michaelshiloh.com>
Message-ID: <sig.5848c33820.4C6DC6AB.3000509@sfo.com>

On 08/19/2010 03:36 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>
>
> On 08/19/2010 03:26 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 08/19/2010 01:41 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>>> Every so often I am reminded that when sorting messages by threads, no
>>> mail tool that I'm familiar with is able to include sent messages as
>>> well as received messages.
>>>
>>> (I am told that Google mail does this, but for some reason I don't
>>> want to use a web based mail tool.)
>>>
>>> When I am reminded of this lacking feature, I think: "Surely my
>>> knowledge is dated, and by now some mail tool must support this 
>>> feature".
>>>
>>> Thus my question: Is anyone aware of a mail reader with this feature?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Michael
>> Mozilla Thunderbird.
>
>
> really?? that's what i use, and i can't find that feature. how do you 
> enable it?
>
     Edit menu
     Account Settings> Copies and Folders then then policy should be 
right there.
     Might want to create the Sent folder if you don't have one before 
you reset
the policy.

     later
     Bobbie



From brian.mcgroarty at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 17:12:30 2010
From: brian.mcgroarty at gmail.com (Brian McGroarty)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:12:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
In-Reply-To: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>
References: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=4qa37uAMKE9MatXX7WCkQ5NJGcxFdYrqcoSLQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Every so often I am reminded that when sorting messages by threads, no mail
> tool that I'm familiar with is able to include sent messages as well as
> received messages.
>
> (I am told that Google mail does this, but for some reason I don't want to
> use a web based mail tool.)
>
> When I am reminded of this lacking feature, I think: "Surely my knowledge is
> dated, and by now some mail tool must support this feature".
>
> Thus my question: Is anyone aware of a mail reader with this feature?

Any modern mail program should let you bcc: yourself on each message
automatically. Failing anything more elegant...



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 17:15:17 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:15:17 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
In-Reply-To: <sig.5848c33820.4C6DC6AB.3000509@sfo.com>
References: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com> <4C6DAF9C.4030706@sfo.com>
	<4C6DB1FF.5080202@michaelshiloh.com>
	<sig.5848c33820.4C6DC6AB.3000509@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <4C6DC915.20007@gmail.com>



> Edit menu
> Account Settings> Copies and Folders then then policy should be right
> there.
> Might want to create the Sent folder if you don't have one before you reset
> the policy.

Gotcha.

I do have a Sent folder; that's where I already save a copy of all 
messages I sent.

Which item do I enable (in Account Settings> Copies and Folders) in 
order to have my sent messages appear within the threads?

M



From asheesh at asheesh.org  Fri Aug 20 07:59:53 2010
From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:59:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
In-Reply-To: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>
References: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1008201058550.31070@rose.makesad.us>

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Michael Shiloh wrote:

> Every so often I am reminded that when sorting messages by threads, no 
> mail tool that I'm familiar with is able to include sent messages as 
> well as received messages.
>
> (I am told that Google mail does this, but for some reason I don't want 
> to use a web based mail tool.)

Alpine (and most other personal computer based mail tools, like 
Thunderbird) can do this. Just set your "Sent mail" folder to "Inbox". 
Bonus points if you do it all on IMAP.

Brilliant hack! Or bizarro world misconstrument of message metadata?

You decide.

-- Asheesh.

-- 
A classic is something that everyone wants to have read
and nobody wants to read.
 		-- Mark Twain, "The Disappearance of Literature"



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 16:31:38 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:31:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1008201058550.31070@rose.makesad.us>
References: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1008201058550.31070@rose.makesad.us>
Message-ID: <4C6F105A.20903@gmail.com>



On 08/20/2010 07:59 AM, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>
>> Every so often I am reminded that when sorting messages by threads, no
>> mail tool that I'm familiar with is able to include sent messages as
>> well as received messages.
>>
>> (I am told that Google mail does this, but for some reason I don't
>> want to use a web based mail tool.)
>
> Alpine (and most other personal computer based mail tools, like
> Thunderbird) can do this. Just set your "Sent mail" folder to "Inbox".
> Bonus points if you do it all on IMAP.
>
> Brilliant hack! Or bizarro world misconstrument of message metadata?


Hack, absolutely.

So am I still right? There is no mail tool that will show my sent 
messages in context when I sort by thread, without resorting to this 
hack of saving all my sent messages in the same folder as my received 
messages?

Sheesh (pun intended)



From grantbow at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 21:56:27 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:56:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] LinuxPicnic.org Tomorrow, Aug 21
Message-ID: <AANLkTimFM1V=p-o8pyxccOg1DYWRsf9NimMPG0sPiNnY@mail.gmail.com>

What: Picnic to celebrate the Linux Kernel's birthday

When: Tomorrow, Sat, Aug 21, 2010

Where: Sunnyvale Baylands Park - http://linuxpicnic.org

List of reserved tables in alphabetical order:

     Fedora Ambassadors - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors

     Haiku OS - http://haiku-os.org/

     Homebrew Robotics Club - http://www.hbrobotics.org/

     OLPC San Francisco - http://www.olpcsf.org

     Silicon Valley Perl - http://svperl.org/

     Silicon Valley Wireless Users and eXperimenters - http://svwux.org/

     TWiki - http://twiki.org

     Ubuntu California Local Community - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam

Thank you to our sponsors this year.  Planning is beginning for the
20th event as well.

Regards,

Grant Bowman



From ttrafford at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 07:22:11 2010
From: ttrafford at gmail.com (Tyler Trafford)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:22:11 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
In-Reply-To: <4C6F105A.20903@gmail.com>
References: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1008201058550.31070@rose.makesad.us>
	<4C6F105A.20903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C6FE113.8000006@gmail.com>

On 08/20/2010 07:31 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> So am I still right? There is no mail tool that will show my sent
> messages in context when I sort by thread, without resorting to this
> hack of saving all my sent messages in the same folder as my received
> messages?

http://sup.rubyforge.org/



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 09:13:22 2010
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:13:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] threaded mail reader that includes sent messages?
In-Reply-To: <4C6FE113.8000006@gmail.com>
References: <4C6D970E.7020705@gmail.com>	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1008201058550.31070@rose.makesad.us>	<4C6F105A.20903@gmail.com>
	<4C6FE113.8000006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C6FFB22.9090204@gmail.com>



On 08/21/2010 07:22 AM, Tyler Trafford wrote:
> On 08/20/2010 07:31 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> So am I still right? There is no mail tool that will show my sent
>> messages in context when I sort by thread, without resorting to this
>> hack of saving all my sent messages in the same folder as my received
>> messages?
>
> http://sup.rubyforge.org/

"If you're the type of person who treats email as an extension of your 
long-term memory, Sup is for you. "

" The goal of Sup is to become the email client of choice for nerds 
everywhere. "


I'm hooked. I'm installing it as we speak.



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 12:06:06 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:06:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Request for bid
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_J06w2w3v23yHUo_1LFi0YAkGkLnEQoHe7L04@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

My employer, Al Stoll, is sick and tired of Microsoft Windows problems, and
he is willing to consider a move to GNU-Linux.  He has asked me to find a
company that could do the initial move, and could provide on-going support.
 We would like to speak with companies that could bid to do this work.  We
do have some mission-critical apps that must run on Microsoft Windows, or so
we think.  Number one among them is Filemaker Pro.  Al is willing to
consider OpenOffice.org, but we would need to be assured that OOo would be
able to be a drop-in replacement for Microsoft Office.

I, of course, am a Linux zealot, but we need to make sure that this
transition is seamless, or it won't happen at all.  Al Stoll visited the
Creative Arts Charter School, and was very impressed with seeing the kids
there doing video editing on Linux.  Al sort of gets the importance of Free
as in Free Speech, but he and the rest of the staff are very much end users,
and we would need to make sure that we don't put them through a huge
learning curve.  They need to be able to leave on Friday and come back to
work on Monday, and get maybe half a day of training and then they need to
be able to be off to the races again, as our office is a high-pressure
office with very serious personal injury cases (brain damage cases, etc).
 Our opponents usually assign twice the number of lawyers that we have to
cases on which they oppose us, and so downtime kills us.  In fact, one of
the reasons that Al is considering moving is that he is unhappy with the
downtime that we have been experiencing due to Microsoft's failware.  If
this migration is made at all, it will need to be made on the basis of
stability, reliability, high up-time, and competitive cost.  We would need a
firm that has experience in working with newbies and assessing their needs
and making the technology transparent to them.
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From john_re at fastmail.us  Sun Aug 22 15:32:35 2010
From: john_re at fastmail.us (giovanni_re)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:32:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Request for bid
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_J06w2w3v23yHUo_1LFi0YAkGkLnEQoHe7L04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=_J06w2w3v23yHUo_1LFi0YAkGkLnEQoHe7L04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1282516355.8436.1391176883@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi Christian, Al Stoll, & Stoll-Law people.   :)

May I provide you some thoughts?


=
http://stoll-law.com/
looks like a very professional operation.  Great.  :)

Christian, your post was asking for a bid for services, & that I don't
have a direct reply to.

But, I have some thoughts for you, Al, & your co-workers that might be
helpful.

Since I think you personally do good work, & the Stoll Law office
appears to be a quality organization, I wish that you all have great
success in a switch to using GNU(Linux) free software.

Here are a few thoughts & suggestions for that effort:


=
First, a few quick points on my qualifications on this:

I first programmed a computer almost 40 years ago.  I was awarded a BS
degree in Electrical Engineering by the University of California at
Berkeley.  I've used Microsoft products, including DOS, & Windows from
their earliest days onward.

For more than 10 years I have used almost solely GNU(Linux) software,
and essentially no Microsoft software, for engineering related work,
simple office type work, & personal use.  For several of the common
reasons people use GNU(Linux).

I currently use KUbuntu 10.04 on a quad core computer - a modestly high
end machine.  That works fairly well.  I've used KUbuntu for about the
past 5 years.

In my nonexistent free time I volunteer organize an Free cost, global
community group whose purposes are educational, productive & social -
BerkeleyTIP.  About all free software, hardware & culture.


=
I am not a GNU(Linux) zealot.  But, I do have high enthusiasm for the
GNU(Linux) [& BSD]  free software & communities.


=
Christian - I know of your great work with GNU(Linux) for schools, &
your educational GNU(Linux) videos.  Those are great contributions.

I know you as a highly productive community contributor, & leader, with
respect to implementing educational social systems & technology for Free
software use in community & educational organizations.

You also have a very decent, above average, technical competency with
GNU(Linux) systems - compared to my estimation of those skills possessed
by most attorneys.


=
It is not surprising an intelligent business person:
"is sick and tired of Microsoft Windows problems,
and he is willing to consider a move to GNU-Linux"

I wish you, he & your company all the best in:
"He has asked me to find a
company that could do the initial move, and could provide on-going
support.
We would like to speak with companies that could bid to do this work."


=
"Al is willing to
consider OpenOffice.org, but we would need to be assured that OOo would
be able to be a drop-in replacement for Microsoft Office."


I doubt it is.

I think OO is highly valuable, & could be the foundation for a highly
productive law office.

I think you & the firm will find descriptions of successful
implementations of OO in businesses & government operations on the Open
Office mailing list.

I highly recommend you subscribe & peruse that list.

See below for information on the recent OO thread:
"[users] Need help to Market OOo"


=
"he and the rest of the staff are very much end users,
> and we would need to make sure that we don't put them through a huge
> learning curve.  They need to be able to leave on Friday and come back to
> work on Monday, and get maybe half a day of training and then they need
> to
> be able to be off to the races again, as our office is a high-pressure
> office with very serious personal injury cases (brain damage cases, etc). "


I think that time frame (weekend plus day, given appropriate
preparation) is undoable.


I do think the best approach is to produce, then follow, a graduated,
step by step transition plan to switching to incrementally more & more
free(dom) software.


Some technologies that can be well implemented on a step by step basis, 
making increasingly & incrementally more successful steps to productive
free software use, 
perhaps over a 6 to 12 month time frame, 
are:

1) Starting with the free software Firefox web browser for employees.
2) Implementing back end free sw network administration.
3) Installing a database, & transitioning increasing parts of database
workload to that system.
4) Implementing free software email capability.
... etc


=
Making a good transition plan,
& progressive steps toward success, 
using careful planning & education & training for the employees, 
would likely lead the Stoll Law firm to:

1) Improved systems uptime,
2) Improved office worker & attorney productivity,
3) Happier law firm management & employees, 
due to both better productivity, 
& to the great feelings that come from contributing to the success of
our wider society, 
by using the community produced & oriented, high quality, educational,
productive, GNU(Linux)  - [ or BSD  ;)  ]  -  software & systems.


=
Best wishes to you all.  :)

Please let us know, here on this list, how the steps toward progress are
working out.


=
Giovanni Re


=============================
=====  Open Office mailing list success stories info.
=====  users at openoffice.org
=====  Subject: [users] Need help to Market OOo

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:05:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gregory Forster <gforst.1956 at sbcglobal.net>

I need examples of government entities, 
corporations, educational entities that have actually switched to Open
Office.  
I want to be loaded with uncompromising ammunition of facts to promote
Open 
Office.


== Replies:
"If you have not already found it, http://marketing.openoffice.org/ is a
good starting point.  Also check the mailing list archives from the
page. "

=
"Have a look at:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing_3
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/The_Case_for_Switching
<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments>
http://www.openoffice.org/news/ "

=
"Many governments are now requiring open standards if not also open
source. "

=
"It seems to me that I have heard that both Souyth Africa and France 's
government have adopted Oo, and I think there were other national
governments that have also, not to mention various corporations. Added
to that, do your coleagues know that the Open Source file formats are
ISO approved? I have not heard of MS's formats getting such approval,
but that would bear added research to verify.

This overdone system you mention - is it a relational database app? do
you need to bring outside data into an Oo Base database? Does that need
to be password protected?

If I went into what can be done with OoBase here, this would be an
absurdly long post, but email me if any of this is of interest. "

... etc.


=====================================================================
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:06:06 -0700, "Christian Einfeldt"
<einfeldt at gmail.com> said:
> hi,
> 
> My employer, Al Stoll, is sick and tired of Microsoft Windows problems,
> and
> he is willing to consider a move to GNU-Linux.  He has asked me to find a
> company that could do the initial move, and could provide on-going
> support.
...

==  Join in the Global weekly meetings, via VOIP, about all Free SW HW & Culture
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/




From jim at well.com  Sun Aug 22 15:35:22 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:35:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Request for bid
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_J06w2w3v23yHUo_1LFi0YAkGkLnEQoHe7L04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=_J06w2w3v23yHUo_1LFi0YAkGkLnEQoHe7L04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1282516522.3383.58.camel@jim-laptop>



   As you posted your need to the SF-LUG list, I'm replying 
to the list with the hope that members find this a valid 
and interesting aspect of Linux. 

   My company, Systemateka, Inc., does such work and has 
converted Carol Ruth Silver's business systems to a mixed 
environment based on Ubuntu Linux that incorporates her 
legacy, Windows-based financial system. 
   Systemateka is dedicated to open source solutions and 
works in an open style with other techies, including 
experienced system administrators, PHP programmers, Python 
and Django programmers, database administrators, graphic 
designers, documenters, and trainers. 
   As this seems to be for a legal firm, note that I was 
the system administrator at the U. S. Court of Appeals 
for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco and have 
experience with law office needs as well as with training 
and documentation. 
   To make your conversion as quickly as possible 
requires a preliminary assessment of your office workflow 
and software, which entails no downtime, only modest 
intrusion, and a brief written report that maps the steps 
of the transition. 
   Let me know how to pursue this possibility. 

Jim 



On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 12:06 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> hi,
> 
> 
> My employer, Al Stoll, is sick and tired of Microsoft Windows
> problems, and he is willing to consider a move to GNU-Linux.  He has
> asked me to find a company that could do the initial move, and could
> provide on-going support.  We would like to speak with companies that
> could bid to do this work.  We do have some mission-critical apps that
> must run on Microsoft Windows, or so we think.  Number one among them
> is Filemaker Pro.  Al is willing to consider OpenOffice.org, but we
> would need to be assured that OOo would be able to be a drop-in
> replacement for Microsoft Office.
> 
> 
> I, of course, am a Linux zealot, but we need to make sure that this
> transition is seamless, or it won't happen at all.  Al Stoll visited
> the Creative Arts Charter School, and was very impressed with seeing
> the kids there doing video editing on Linux.  Al sort of gets the
> importance of Free as in Free Speech, but he and the rest of the staff
> are very much end users, and we would need to make sure that we don't
> put them through a huge learning curve.  They need to be able to leave
> on Friday and come back to work on Monday, and get maybe half a day of
> training and then they need to be able to be off to the races again,
> as our office is a high-pressure office with very serious personal
> injury cases (brain damage cases, etc).  Our opponents usually assign
> twice the number of lawyers that we have to cases on which they oppose
> us, and so downtime kills us.  In fact, one of the reasons that Al is
> considering moving is that he is unhappy with the downtime that we
> have been experiencing due to Microsoft's failware.  If this migration
> is made at all, it will need to be made on the basis of stability,
> reliability, high up-time, and competitive cost.  We would need a firm
> that has experience in working with newbies and assessing their needs
> and making the technology transparent to them.  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/




From larry.cafiero at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 17:06:23 2010
From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:06:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Request for bid
In-Reply-To: <1282516522.3383.58.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <AANLkTi=_J06w2w3v23yHUo_1LFi0YAkGkLnEQoHe7L04@mail.gmail.com>
	<1282516522.3383.58.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4uQ8g5b+MP7cRzog-5KkUL2easMMzmUMOa23d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, Christian --

Redwood Digital Research, in which I'm a partner, does the same thing (among
other services) as Jim's company, but we're in the Santa Cruz/Monterey Bay
area. Since it would probably be wise if your employer went local, we'd
still like to participate in a bid process, if one arises.

Larry Cafiero

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:35 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>
>   As you posted your need to the SF-LUG list, I'm replying
> to the list with the hope that members find this a valid
> and interesting aspect of Linux.
>
>   My company, Systemateka, Inc., does such work and has
> converted Carol Ruth Silver's business systems to a mixed
> environment based on Ubuntu Linux that incorporates her
> legacy, Windows-based financial system.
>   Systemateka is dedicated to open source solutions and
> works in an open style with other techies, including
> experienced system administrators, PHP programmers, Python
> and Django programmers, database administrators, graphic
> designers, documenters, and trainers.
>   As this seems to be for a legal firm, note that I was
> the system administrator at the U. S. Court of Appeals
> for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco and have
> experience with law office needs as well as with training
> and documentation.
>   To make your conversion as quickly as possible
> requires a preliminary assessment of your office workflow
> and software, which entails no downtime, only modest
> intrusion, and a brief written report that maps the steps
> of the transition.
>   Let me know how to pursue this possibility.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 12:06 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> >
> > My employer, Al Stoll, is sick and tired of Microsoft Windows
> > problems, and he is willing to consider a move to GNU-Linux.  He has
> > asked me to find a company that could do the initial move, and could
> > provide on-going support.  We would like to speak with companies that
> > could bid to do this work.  We do have some mission-critical apps that
> > must run on Microsoft Windows, or so we think.  Number one among them
> > is Filemaker Pro.  Al is willing to consider OpenOffice.org, but we
> > would need to be assured that OOo would be able to be a drop-in
> > replacement for Microsoft Office.
> >
> >
> > I, of course, am a Linux zealot, but we need to make sure that this
> > transition is seamless, or it won't happen at all.  Al Stoll visited
> > the Creative Arts Charter School, and was very impressed with seeing
> > the kids there doing video editing on Linux.  Al sort of gets the
> > importance of Free as in Free Speech, but he and the rest of the staff
> > are very much end users, and we would need to make sure that we don't
> > put them through a huge learning curve.  They need to be able to leave
> > on Friday and come back to work on Monday, and get maybe half a day of
> > training and then they need to be able to be off to the races again,
> > as our office is a high-pressure office with very serious personal
> > injury cases (brain damage cases, etc).  Our opponents usually assign
> > twice the number of lawyers that we have to cases on which they oppose
> > us, and so downtime kills us.  In fact, one of the reasons that Al is
> > considering moving is that he is unhappy with the downtime that we
> > have been experiencing due to Microsoft's failware.  If this migration
> > is made at all, it will need to be made on the basis of stability,
> > reliability, high up-time, and competitive cost.  We would need a firm
> > that has experience in working with newbies and assessing their needs
> > and making the technology transparent to them.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sf-lug mailing list
> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> > Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 17:07:52 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:07:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Request for bid
In-Reply-To: <1282516355.8436.1391176883@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <AANLkTi=_J06w2w3v23yHUo_1LFi0YAkGkLnEQoHe7L04@mail.gmail.com>
	<1282516355.8436.1391176883@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim9jO6LvZV00-PRbREpGeBeTxJe4fKUvjoVz9zE@mail.gmail.com>

One little tidbit that I left out of my original email:  Al Stoll's phone
system runs on Linux.  Initially, some of the staff had a few problems with
glitches, but the staff just recently had a training, and they are seeing
that the system provides for a great deal of flexibility in routing calls
and otherwise managing calls, and so Linux now seems to have gained a good
reputation here in the office.

And Al is absolutely stoked by what he saw of the Linux computers at the
Creative Arts Charter School.

So we are moving forward slowly.  Very.  Slowly.
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From cymraegish at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 20:17:50 2010
From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:17:50 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Retail Software in Linux (Bookstore)
Message-ID: <AANLkTikEnUstwnoT_H7AvGdxp1-g65STriJFwiazpTqk@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, does anyone know about retail "point-of-sale" tools for Linux for
regular not online stores (although on-line purchasing might be
included and might be provided already by an independent service) -
which includes cash register accounting, bar code reading, inventory
control and purchasing ?

I do not need this for myself but I have talked with a couple of
merchants in my neighborhood, there are three bookstores, one does
everything by hand, one uses an ancient windows system (like Win95 or
98), another uses a new mac system. The second one specifically has
said they have thought about Linux, they cannot really afford to buy a
new commercial system *compatible with the book trade* and don't like
to give Microsoft $$ anyway, but they could not determine if anything
suitable was available in Linux at the time (a few years back)...

Note they all say they require special software compatible with the
book trade, although I wonder  if that is really just a format of some
sort, that is really just a sort of trick, an easy hack...

Brian



From jim at well.com  Sun Aug 22 21:16:33 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:16:33 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Retail Software in Linux (Bookstore)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikEnUstwnoT_H7AvGdxp1-g65STriJFwiazpTqk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikEnUstwnoT_H7AvGdxp1-g65STriJFwiazpTqk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1282536993.3383.197.camel@jim-laptop>


   One of the guys I work with and I have talked about 
creating some kind of Linux distro for retail stores; 
we hadn't thought of book stores (thanks for the tip!). 
   I bet that it's pretty much standard software that's 
got a customized database, maybe with fields for bar 
code info, ISDN number, standard cost structures and 
returns, la la la, maybe some custom configuration for 
communications, and pretty standard inventory and other 
accounting software, likely with tie ins for cash 
registers and bar code scanners. 
   I entered http://www/google.com/linux in the address 
bar of my browser and in the google search box typed 
linux point of sale retail bookstore or something 
similar and was surprised at how hard I had to look to 
find actual software that was in the ballpark: 
http://www.advanceware.net/ sells an inventory 
management package that integrates with QuickBooks. 




On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:17 -0700, Brian Morris wrote:
> Hi, does anyone know about retail "point-of-sale" tools for Linux for
> regular not online stores (although on-line purchasing might be
> included and might be provided already by an independent service) -
> which includes cash register accounting, bar code reading, inventory
> control and purchasing ?
> 
> I do not need this for myself but I have talked with a couple of
> merchants in my neighborhood, there are three bookstores, one does
> everything by hand, one uses an ancient windows system (like Win95 or
> 98), another uses a new mac system. The second one specifically has
> said they have thought about Linux, they cannot really afford to buy a
> new commercial system *compatible with the book trade* and don't like
> to give Microsoft $$ anyway, but they could not determine if anything
> suitable was available in Linux at the time (a few years back)...
> 
> Note they all say they require special software compatible with the
> book trade, although I wonder  if that is really just a format of some
> sort, that is really just a sort of trick, an easy hack...
> 
> Brian
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> 




From jim at well.com  Sun Aug 22 21:24:34 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:24:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Retail Software in Linux (Bookstore)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikEnUstwnoT_H7AvGdxp1-g65STriJFwiazpTqk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikEnUstwnoT_H7AvGdxp1-g65STriJFwiazpTqk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1282537474.3383.198.camel@jim-laptop>


   Here's a link to Python POS software, courtesy 
of SourceForge. 


On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:17 -0700, Brian Morris wrote:
> Hi, does anyone know about retail "point-of-sale" tools for Linux for
> regular not online stores (although on-line purchasing might be
> included and might be provided already by an independent service) -
> which includes cash register accounting, bar code reading, inventory
> control and purchasing ?
> 
> I do not need this for myself but I have talked with a couple of
> merchants in my neighborhood, there are three bookstores, one does
> everything by hand, one uses an ancient windows system (like Win95 or
> 98), another uses a new mac system. The second one specifically has
> said they have thought about Linux, they cannot really afford to buy a
> new commercial system *compatible with the book trade* and don't like
> to give Microsoft $$ anyway, but they could not determine if anything
> suitable was available in Linux at the time (a few years back)...
> 
> Note they all say they require special software compatible with the
> book trade, although I wonder  if that is really just a format of some
> sort, that is really just a sort of trick, an easy hack...
> 
> Brian
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
> 




From jim at well.com  Tue Aug 24 07:30:06 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:30:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, August 26,
 2010: Instrumentation with Python
Message-ID: <1282660206.3383.448.camel@jim-laptop>


BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, August 26, 2010: Instrumentation with
Python 


Tonight's talk is Instrumentation with Python 
by Keith Dart 


Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of 
an essential Python feature, especially for those new to Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: defaultdict from the Python High-performance 
container datatypes, by Glen Jarvis 


LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------


..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any 
first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:40 PM ................
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: defaultdict from the Python High-performance 
container datatypes, by Glen Jarvis 


..... 7:40 PM to 8:40 PM (or so) ................

Instrumentation with Python 
by Keith Dart 

This talk overs the use of Python in test and measurement using the
open-source code base "powerdroid" for illustration. This includes
instrument control by IEEE-488 bus and software interfaces and 
includes numpy array usage and matplotlib usage.


..... 8:40 PM to 9:30 PM  ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, hiring, 
events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow up on the 
announcements and other interests.





From nbs at sonic.net  Wed Aug 25 08:15:24 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:15:24 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	September 7: "Android roundtable"
Message-ID: <201008251515.o7PFFNKM012676@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be hosting an informal
social gathering with a special roundtable discussion:

  Tuesday
  September 7, 2010
  7:00pm - 9:00pm


The gathering will be held at:

  Crepeville restaurant
  330 3rd Street
  Davis, California 95616


Roundtable:

  Various members of LUGOD will be bringing mobile devices that use
  Google's Linux-based "Android" operating system for "show-and-tell"
  and informal discussion.

  Devices that are expected include: HTC Incredible, myTouch Slide,
  Nexus One, Samsung Galaxy, T-Mobile G1.  Feel free to bring your own!


Notes on Crepeville:

  Crepeville accepts payments in cash or check.  An ATM is available
  in back, and numerous banks are within walking distance in downtown
  Davis.  Crepeville provides free WiFi Internet access on an open network.


For more details on this event, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/crepeville/


About LUGOD:

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 15:54:47 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:54:47 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux schools project, Sunday, 10:00 a.m.
Message-ID: <AANLkTimnkS6TNBVucLJBhfCEGeqAEu7C-bsTF4wQb4yb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We are at it once again.  Our volunteers will be going into a local public
school this weekend to build a Linux network for a teacher.  If you are
interested in helping out, please email me here and please feel free to show
up Sunday, August 29, at 10:00 at the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy at
O'Farrell and Scott streets.  There is plenty of free parking.  If you call
me at 415-351-1300 when you arrive, I will open the gate so that you can
park off street.  The Geary Street bus stops directly outside the school at
Geary and Scott Streets.  Please bring screw drivers and needle nose pliers
and circuit testers.  If you have Ubuntu 10.04 on a stick, that would be
helpful too.

This is the beginning of the 7th school year that there have been Linux
computers at the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy!

If we get a lot of volunteers, or if we finish at KIPP, we will walk 3 short
blocks to the Creative Arts Charter School to work on Linux machines there.

We will have a free pizza lunch at 2:00 pm purchased by my very cool boss,
Al Stoll.

Thanks in advance for your interest in this project!
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Aug 29 09:31:40 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:31:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux schools project, Sunday, 10:00 a.m.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimnkS6TNBVucLJBhfCEGeqAEu7C-bsTF4wQb4yb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimnkS6TNBVucLJBhfCEGeqAEu7C-bsTF4wQb4yb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikS1Dos2+japoWcMuJ4sgH=+czvab1LDRqUJV0B@mail.gmail.com>

Reminder: we will be installing GNU-Linux computers in public schools in SF
today from 10 - 2.  We will start @ the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy @
Geary and Scott.  Free pizza will be served @ 2 pm

On Aug 27, 2010 3:54 PM, "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We are at it once again. Our volunteers will be going into a local public
> school this weekend to build a Linux network for a teacher. If you are
> interested in helping out, please email me here and please feel free to
show
> up Sunday, August 29, at 10:00 at the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy at
> O'Farrell and Scott streets. There is plenty of free parking. If you call
> me at 415-351-1300 when you arrive, I will open the gate so that you can
> park off street. The Geary Street bus stops directly outside the school at
> Geary and Scott Streets. Please bring screw drivers and needle nose pliers
> and circuit testers. If you have Ubuntu 10.04 on a stick, that would be
> helpful too.
>
> This is the beginning of the 7th school year that there have been Linux
> computers at the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy!
>
> If we get a lot of volunteers, or if we finish at KIPP, we will walk 3
short
> blocks to the Creative Arts Charter School to work on Linux machines
there.
>
> We will have a free pizza lunch at 2:00 pm purchased by my very cool boss,
> Al Stoll.
>
> Thanks in advance for your interest in this project!
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From embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com  Sun Aug 29 11:14:51 2010
From: embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com (Jesse Zbikowski)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:14:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Og dreams of kernels
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=s_VicStzx0i917Mv+e6nYznouARObYNOUuo9E@mail.gmail.com>

I thought some people might be amused by this, especially if you have
ever wondered where kernels come from.

From: Greg KH

{pound} {pound} {pound}

Og woke up to the loud noise of the villagers pounding on his cave door.
He stumbled toward it, grabbing the four numbered bags that he knew were
needed at this time.

Opening the door, Og looked at the villagers, all expectant, wondering
where this week's kernels were, what was delaying them, as they needed
their weekly fix...

http://lkml.org/lkml/fancy/2010/8/26/464



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Aug 29 20:19:32 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:19:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux schools project, Sunday, 10:00 a.m.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimnkS6TNBVucLJBhfCEGeqAEu7C-bsTF4wQb4yb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimnkS6TNBVucLJBhfCEGeqAEu7C-bsTF4wQb4yb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimftr4SzfZntQLgTmmkPKi5d9tfL58_6Di=jKj7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks to Grant Bowman, Anthony Riley, and John Strazzarino, who came to the
KIPP San Francisco Academy, a public middle school, to install GNU-Linux on
computers in two separate classrooms.  One of these teachers had never used
Linux before, jason Patrone.  Jason steamed into his classroom, not
expecting us to see us there, and stopped short briefly, surprised to see so
many unknown adults in his classroom.  Then he saw me, and realized that
these four unknown guys were there to help him out with his computer needs
for his kids.

He came over and extended his hand out to each of us and thanked each of us
for being there.  I did not do a hard sell at all to this teacher, in fact,
this teacher had reached out to me to request these machines.

His kids are 8th graders, and so are going to need the computers to prepare
their applications to get into good high schools next year.  They will also
be doing spontaneous research on these machines, which will save them from
having to walk one block east a d down a flight of stairs into the Microsoft
Windows lab.  Our efforts today will thus make Linux more relevant and
Microsoft a bit less relevant in their lives.

All told, we installed GNU-Linux on 4 machines in Jason's classroom, and on
3 machines in the classroom of Melissa Crosby.  Another machine in Melissa's
room has Microsoft Windows on it , but will soon be dual-booted with Linux.
At John's suggestion, we downloaded Austrumi Linux for the purpose of
getting past the Microsoft Windows password.  Just google nt_pass if you
want to see how that is done.    :-)

Thanks again to Grant, Anthony and John for a very productive day!

On Aug 27, 2010 3:54 PM, "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We are at it once again. Our volunteers will be going into a local public
> school this weekend to build a Linux network for a teacher. If you are
> interested in helping out, please email me here and please feel free to
show
> up Sunday, August 29, at 10:00 at the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy at
> O'Farrell and Scott streets. There is plenty of free parking. If you call
> me at 415-351-1300 when you arrive, I will open the gate so that you can
> park off street. The Geary Street bus stops directly outside the school at
> Geary and Scott Streets. Please bring screw drivers and needle nose pliers
> and circuit testers. If you have Ubuntu 10.04 on a stick, that would be
> helpful too.
>
> This is the beginning of the 7th school year that there have been Linux
> computers at the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy!
>
> If we get a lot of volunteers, or if we finish at KIPP, we will walk 3
short
> blocks to the Creative Arts Charter School to work on Linux machines
there.
>
> We will have a free pizza lunch at 2:00 pm purchased by my very cool boss,
> Al Stoll.
>
> Thanks in advance for your interest in this project!
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From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Sep  2 10:06:28 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:06:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday!  Sunday!  Sunday!  big SF-LUG meeting...
Message-ID: <sig.4861124145.4C7FD994.1040706@sfo.com>

     Yes this Sunday at Cafe Enchante,
     26th and Geary in San Francisco,
     from 11 AM to 1 PM,
     SF LUG will be meeting in defiance of the
Labor Day Weekend and all the 4 Million
Californians who will be camping, and the
rest who may be elsewhere.  Maybe some
of the rest of the group or interested parties
      might show up.

Bring a problem!

Bring a solution!

     Sunday!  Sunday!  Sunday!  Big SF-LUG meeting.


later
Bobbie Sellers



From xolzscxux at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  4 12:29:39 2010
From: xolzscxux at yahoo.com (Charles Holzschuh)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] cool aps too
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1283022002.22465.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <294186.56696.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

When you go to these schools are you teaching people about all the cool aps like Blender, BRL-CAD, and EMC2? Just to name a few.

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> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:54:47 -0700
> From: Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>
> To: sf-lug <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: [sf-lug] Linux schools project, Sunday, 10:00
> a.m.
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We are at it once again.? Our volunteers will be going
> into a local public
> school this weekend to build a Linux network for a
> teacher.? If you are
> interested in helping out, please email me here and please
> feel free to show
> up Sunday, August 29, at 10:00 at the KIPP San Francisco
> Bay Academy at
> O'Farrell and Scott streets.? There is plenty of free
> parking.? If you call
> me at 415-351-1300 when you arrive, I will open the gate so
> that you can
> park off street.? The Geary Street bus stops directly
> outside the school at
> Geary and Scott Streets.? Please bring screw drivers
> and needle nose pliers
> and circuit testers.? If you have Ubuntu 10.04 on a
> stick, that would be
> helpful too.
> 
> This is the beginning of the 7th school year that there
> have been Linux
> computers at the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy!
> 
> If we get a lot of volunteers, or if we finish at KIPP, we
> will walk 3 short
> blocks to the Creative Arts Charter School to work on Linux
> machines there.
> 
> We will have a free pizza lunch at 2:00 pm purchased by my
> very cool boss,
> Al Stoll.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your interest in this project!
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Sun Sep  5 09:55:12 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 09:55:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] recovery after dd
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=YCbBdNB1fj0oxe3784SCZHrcW3Fn0AXwk6XYQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have an old external USB drive (120GB, I think) that had a bunch of
files and was close to full. I ran dd on it and installed a 2.1GB
image. The remainder of the space is unpartitioned.

Now, I plan on using a few tools to see what I can recover. The
following are candidates:

foremost
scalpel
photorec
testdisk
ext3grep

ext3grep project page warns not to mount the drive so that the old
unpartitioned space doesn't get written to. However, given that I have
a new partition via dd in 2.1 GB, that's the only space that will get
written to. The unpartitioned space should remain untouched. Is my
thinking correct?

If anyone on the list has any experiences with these tools, any
feedback would be much appreciated.

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From bliss at sfo.com  Sun Sep  5 15:04:49 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:04:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Todays meeting xSunday! Sunday! Sunday! big SF-LUG
	meeting...
Message-ID: <sig.38646da83e.4C841401.6070507@sfo.com>

Got to the Cafe Enchante just before 11:00  AM.

     WiFi Network is down.
     We had better check if the condition persists
at Cafe Enchante.  Credit cards are also unusable
which seems to have affected business.

     If this is a matter that does not resolve
shortly perhaps time to consider another
place to meet?

#6, Eric,Erin and I showed up.
Jim is out of town this weekend as
well but promises books for the next
meeting.

     We had a reasonably good time.
I had the last issue of Linux Journal
and the Linux Pro magazine and Eric
read them like it might go out of fashion
soon.
     Of course Eric and I talked about
obsolete stuff too much.

     We left about 1:10 PM.

     later
     bliss




From sverma at sfsu.edu  Sun Sep  5 20:02:39 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:02:39 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] recovery after dd
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=YCbBdNB1fj0oxe3784SCZHrcW3Fn0AXwk6XYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=YCbBdNB1fj0oxe3784SCZHrcW3Fn0AXwk6XYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik83c+E6YOKGEbUZbkXHqBEojj_soj2+TdBDZcV@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> I have an old external USB drive (120GB, I think) that had a bunch of
> files and was close to full. I ran dd on it and installed a 2.1GB
> image. The remainder of the space is unpartitioned.
>
> Now, I plan on using a few tools to see what I can recover. The
> following are candidates:
>
> foremost
> scalpel
> photorec
> testdisk
> ext3grep
>
> ext3grep project page warns not to mount the drive so that the old
> unpartitioned space doesn't get written to. However, given that I have
> a new partition via dd in 2.1 GB, that's the only space that will get
> written to. The unpartitioned space should remain untouched. Is my
> thinking correct?
>
> If anyone on the list has any experiences with these tools, any
> feedback would be much appreciated.
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor, Information Systems
> Director, Campus Business Solutions
> San Francisco State University
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
> http://is.sfsu.edu/
>

I should qualify this post with some more related information. This is
an experiment, so if I lose the data, its not a loss. Its more
"educational" than anything else. I've never had to do this kind of
"retrieval" before, but the science behind it is interesting and
educational.

I'll be happy to post results of whatever I find out.

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From bliss at sfo.com  Sun Sep  5 20:37:09 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:37:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] recovery after dd
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik83c+E6YOKGEbUZbkXHqBEojj_soj2+TdBDZcV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=YCbBdNB1fj0oxe3784SCZHrcW3Fn0AXwk6XYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik83c+E6YOKGEbUZbkXHqBEojj_soj2+TdBDZcV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <sig.0865f2163a.4C8461E5.5020407@sfo.com>

On 09/05/2010 08:02 PM, Sameer Verma wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Sameer Verma<sverma at sfsu.edu>  wrote:
>    
>> I have an old external USB drive (120GB, I think) that had a bunch of
>> files and was close to full. I ran dd on it and installed a 2.1GB
>> image. The remainder of the space is unpartitioned.
>>
>> Now, I plan on using a few tools to see what I can recover. The
>> following are candidates:
>>
>> foremost
>> scalpel
>> photorec
>> testdisk
>> ext3grep
>>
>> ext3grep project page warns not to mount the drive so that the old
>> unpartitioned space doesn't get written to. However, given that I have
>> a new partition via dd in 2.1 GB, that's the only space that will get
>> written to. The unpartitioned space should remain untouched. Is my
>> thinking correct?
>>
>> If anyone on the list has any experiences with these tools, any
>> feedback would be much appreciated.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sameer
>> --
>> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor, Information Systems
>> Director, Campus Business Solutions
>> San Francisco State University
>> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
>> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>> http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
>> http://is.sfsu.edu/
>>
>>      
> I should qualify this post with some more related information. This is
> an experiment, so if I lose the data, its not a loss. Its more
> "educational" than anything else. I've never had to do this kind of
> "retrieval" before, but the science behind it is interesting and
> educational.
>
> I'll be happy to post results of whatever I find out.
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
>    
     I for one will be happy to hear about the experiment and what
happens.

     Good luck
     Bobbie Sellers
     later



From cymraegish at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 21:38:04 2010
From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:38:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] cool aps too
In-Reply-To: <294186.56696.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1283022002.22465.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
	<294186.56696.qm@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzRB+uwv4upsQOidO4jUAjOxbGoPXJ_Pg9ZxKM@mail.gmail.com>

hmm the robotics potential of emc2 sounds interesting to me.

Would be very cool if some group at Noisebridge we could make a robot
running Linux and who knows maybe the schools could get involved.

Nice article in the Sunday NY Times about recent advances in robotics
today, if anyone wishes to take a look (SFPL has the paper).



On 9/4/10, Charles Holzschuh <xolzscxux at yahoo.com> wrote:
> When you go to these schools are you teaching people about all the cool aps
> like Blender, BRL-CAD, and EMC2? Just to name a few.
>
> --- On Sat, 8/28/10, sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com
> <sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
>
>> From: sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com <sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com>
>> Subject: sf-lug Digest, Vol 55, Issue 23
>> To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 12:00 PM
>> Send sf-lug mailing list submissions
>> to
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>>
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>>
>>    1. Linux schools project, Sunday, 10:00
>> a.m. (Christian Einfeldt)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:54:47 -0700
>> From: Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>
>> To: sf-lug <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
>> Subject: [sf-lug] Linux schools project, Sunday, 10:00
>> a.m.
>> Message-ID:
>>     <AANLkTimnkS6TNBVucLJBhfCEGeqAEu7C-bsTF4wQb4yb at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are at it once again.  Our volunteers will be going
>> into a local public
>> school this weekend to build a Linux network for a
>> teacher.  If you are
>> interested in helping out, please email me here and please
>> feel free to show
>> up Sunday, August 29, at 10:00 at the KIPP San Francisco
>> Bay Academy at
>> O'Farrell and Scott streets.  There is plenty of free
>> parking.  If you call
>> me at 415-351-1300 when you arrive, I will open the gate so
>> that you can
>> park off street.  The Geary Street bus stops directly
>> outside the school at
>> Geary and Scott Streets.  Please bring screw drivers
>> and needle nose pliers
>> and circuit testers.  If you have Ubuntu 10.04 on a
>> stick, that would be
>> helpful too.
>>
>> This is the beginning of the 7th school year that there
>> have been Linux
>> computers at the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy!
>>
>> If we get a lot of volunteers, or if we finish at KIPP, we
>> will walk 3 short
>> blocks to the Creative Arts Charter School to work on Linux
>> machines there.
>>
>> We will have a free pizza lunch at 2:00 pm purchased by my
>> very cool boss,
>> Al Stoll.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your interest in this project!
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Mon Sep  6 10:18:24 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:18:24 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] recovery after dd
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=7Tm2u4dESXhpVti2Jo+sy-VKttxBuuNHKJA+u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=YCbBdNB1fj0oxe3784SCZHrcW3Fn0AXwk6XYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=7Tm2u4dESXhpVti2Jo+sy-VKttxBuuNHKJA+u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik155YAVrb5a6uoQzGYXkzd+RR_6GzoMepiaxGA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Brian Morris <cymraegish at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/5/10, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>> I have an old external USB drive (120GB, I think) that had a bunch of
>> files and was close to full. I ran dd on it and installed a 2.1GB
>> image.
>
> I don't know about anyone else, but it is unclear to me
>
> a) exactly what the original condition of the drive was
>
> b) exactly what you did (arguments to dd ? what did you do by
> "installed" you say ?)
>
> c) where did you get the idea of doing this ? didn't they say how to
> the other half of the method ?
>
> Without this information, it would be hard for anyone to give any
> guidance as to what to do as far as I know.
>
> Brian
>
>
>

Sending this out to Brian and the list. He forgot to cc list.

Hi Brian,
This is an experiment. I had a external USB drive lying around (close
to full), so I'm playing with it. I also had a 2.1GB image from an
earlier experiment, so I used dd if=image.img of=/dev/sdc1 bs=1M but
what I want to figure out is if the data past 2.1GB is recoverable.

Hope this clarifies.

cheers,
Sameer



From dennisharrison at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 11:38:40 2010
From: dennisharrison at gmail.com (Dennis J Harrison Jr)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:38:40 -0500
Subject: [sf-lug] recovery after dd
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On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Brian Morris <cymraegish at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/5/10, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>>> I have an old external USB drive (120GB, I think) that had a bunch of
>>> files and was close to full. I ran dd on it and installed a 2.1GB
>>> image.
>>
>> I don't know about anyone else, but it is unclear to me
>>
>> a) exactly what the original condition of the drive was
>>
>> b) exactly what you did (arguments to dd ? what did you do by
>> "installed" you say ?)
>>
>> c) where did you get the idea of doing this ? didn't they say how to
>> the other half of the method ?
>>
>> Without this information, it would be hard for anyone to give any
>> guidance as to what to do as far as I know.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>
> Sending this out to Brian and the list. He forgot to cc list.
>
> Hi Brian,
> This is an experiment. I had a external USB drive lying around (close
> to full), so I'm playing with it. I also had a 2.1GB image from an
> earlier experiment, so I used dd if=image.img of=/dev/sdc1 bs=1M but
> what I want to figure out is if the data past 2.1GB is recoverable.
>
> Hope this clarifies.
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
>

For what it's worth - this sounds like a blast.  Perfect thing to
spend a beer session with on this holiday.  I'm filling up a 16gb
drive right now to try this out.  My guess is that the remaining data
will be recoverable.  I've very little knowledge of the fundamental
workings of the rom, ram, nand and it's read / wrtie processes.  If
the data isn't recoverable - I'll be reminded of just how little I
know :)

All the 1s and 0s on the other side of the partition should still be
the same.  Unless for some reason the mass storage controller itself
does something special when a partition is created (doubt) ?

Essentially/Electronically speaking, electrons pass through two or
more gates - one of them being a control gate.  The control gate
passes electrons to a floating gate which then pushes the electrons
through some oxide(ish?) layer.  The negative electrons then act as
resistance.  There is a sensor which measures this to determine if it
should report 0 or 1.  This happens per block (as far as I know, newer
tech might do some neat stuff here and there).

So, another few minutes on this transfer, then I've got to find a
smaller drive I can dd to it.

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From cymraegish at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 19:09:38 2010
From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 19:09:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] recovery after dd
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now that I think about it, wouldn't the directory be overwritten with
all the names of the files ? you could recover the data by low level
read and EOF markers,  but you would still have no tree even, that is
you would also lose the directory names...

then there is the issue of fragmentation, where is the data on that
located, is it at the end of the fragment or is it in the directory
(filesystem) file ?

Brian





On 9/6/10, Dennis J Harrison Jr <dennisharrison at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Brian Morris <cymraegish at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/5/10, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>>>> I have an old external USB drive (120GB, I think) that had a bunch of
>>>> files and was close to full. I ran dd on it and installed a 2.1GB
>>>> image.
>>>
>>> I don't know about anyone else, but it is unclear to me
>>>
>>> a) exactly what the original condition of the drive was
>>>
>>> b) exactly what you did (arguments to dd ? what did you do by
>>> "installed" you say ?)
>>>
>>> c) where did you get the idea of doing this ? didn't they say how to
>>> the other half of the method ?
>>>
>>> Without this information, it would be hard for anyone to give any
>>> guidance as to what to do as far as I know.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sending this out to Brian and the list. He forgot to cc list.
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>> This is an experiment. I had a external USB drive lying around (close
>> to full), so I'm playing with it. I also had a 2.1GB image from an
>> earlier experiment, so I used dd if=image.img of=/dev/sdc1 bs=1M but
>> what I want to figure out is if the data past 2.1GB is recoverable.
>>
>> Hope this clarifies.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sameer
>>
>
> For what it's worth - this sounds like a blast.  Perfect thing to
> spend a beer session with on this holiday.  I'm filling up a 16gb
> drive right now to try this out.  My guess is that the remaining data
> will be recoverable.  I've very little knowledge of the fundamental
> workings of the rom, ram, nand and it's read / wrtie processes.  If
> the data isn't recoverable - I'll be reminded of just how little I
> know :)
>
> All the 1s and 0s on the other side of the partition should still be
> the same.  Unless for some reason the mass storage controller itself
> does something special when a partition is created (doubt) ?
>
> Essentially/Electronically speaking, electrons pass through two or
> more gates - one of them being a control gate.  The control gate
> passes electrons to a floating gate which then pushes the electrons
> through some oxide(ish?) layer.  The negative electrons then act as
> resistance.  There is a sensor which measures this to determine if it
> should report 0 or 1.  This happens per block (as far as I know, newer
> tech might do some neat stuff here and there).
>
> So, another few minutes on this transfer, then I've got to find a
> smaller drive I can dd to it.
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/
>>
>
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>



From adborden at live.com  Mon Sep  6 20:38:13 2010
From: adborden at live.com (Aaron Borden)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:38:13 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] recovery after dd
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On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 09:55 -0700, Sameer Verma wrote:
> If anyone on the list has any experiences with these tools, any
> feedback would be much appreciated.

I've used foremost before to recover files after an accidental rsync
--delete-excluded /home/ /home

It works by reading the file headers off the disk, so 
1) it will only recover files whose header it knows how to identify
2) it won't recover directory information, so filenames and directory
hierarchy is lost
3) I forget if you can specify disk offsets to read the disk. Recovering
everything from a 120GB disk will result in a lot of files to sort
through. I was recovering jpegs taken from my digital camera, and had to
sort them by size (ImageMagick) to separate photos I cared about from
others (think temporary internet files and emoticons).

All in all, it's not a process I would like to repeat. Hope your testing
goes well, let us know if you find an easier way.


-Aaron




From sverma at sfsu.edu  Wed Sep  8 21:53:57 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:53:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] EADS vs EARS
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=iRPpB96+uDbPM7KOO8VGgUqHaJqmvJiAbejN7@mail.gmail.com>

I was looking to buy a 2TB internal drive. Found one on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Intellipower-Desktop-WD20EARS/dp/B002ZCXK0I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1284006014&sr=8-1

But then, just on a whim, I searched for Linux compatibility, and it
turns out that EARS has issues under Linux. Has anyone run into these?
Any experiences?


cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From sverma at sfsu.edu  Wed Sep  8 22:12:02 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:12:02 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] EADS vs EARS
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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> I was looking to buy a 2TB internal drive. Found one on Amazon.
> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Intellipower-Desktop-WD20EARS/dp/B002ZCXK0I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1284006014&sr=8-1
>
> But then, just on a whim, I searched for Linux compatibility, and it
> turns out that EARS has issues under Linux. Has anyone run into these?
> Any experiences?
>
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor, Information Systems
> Director, Campus Business Solutions
> San Francisco State University
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
> http://is.sfsu.edu/
>

Some more info on EARS. http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg02890.html

Sameer



From mhigashi at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 01:44:35 2010
From: mhigashi at gmail.com (Mike Higashi)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 01:44:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] EADS vs EARS
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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> I was looking to buy a 2TB internal drive. Found one on Amazon.
> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Intellipower-Desktop-WD20EARS/dp/B002ZCXK0I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1284006014&sr=8-1
>
> But then, just on a whim, I searched for Linux compatibility, and it
> turns out that EARS has issues under Linux. Has anyone run into these?
> Any experiences?

No personal experience, but have you seen this article on
partitioning an EARS drive:

  http://www.linuxconfig.org/linux-wd-ears-advanced-format


Mike



From sverma at sfsu.edu  Thu Sep  9 09:38:51 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:38:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Software Freedom Day 2010
Message-ID: <AANLkTik0YQan69Ssf5ghidwLyR-r+dMeOK7+AUOOCqj_@mail.gmail.com>

Hello SF-LUG,

We at SFSU are celebrating Software Freedom Day 2010. The event will
be on Thursday, September 16, 2010 instead of the traditional Saturday
(Sept 18) because we get very little foot traffic on Saturdays.
Information Management Systems Association (http://imsa.sfsu.edu/) is
the student organization that's hosting the event on campus. You are
all welcome to drop by, attend, assist, support, cheer and so on.

We got a stack of CDs from SFI
(http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi) that we'll be handing out to
those who show interest. We'll also have some flyers and posters about
the event, the concept of "free" etc. Additionally, like last year, we
will also burn a stack of FOSS for Windows CDs
(http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-cd/) Any help in burning these would be
great.

Our page is at http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/NorthAmerica/USA/CA/San%20Francisco%20Bay%20Area/imsa-sfsu

A complete list of registered teams is at
http://cgi.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/map.shtml#teamlist

More details to follow.

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Sep  9 10:33:43 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:33:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Software Freedom Day 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik0YQan69Ssf5ghidwLyR-r+dMeOK7+AUOOCqj_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik0YQan69Ssf5ghidwLyR-r+dMeOK7+AUOOCqj_@mail.gmail.com>
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Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu):

> We got a stack of CDs from SFI
> (http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi) that we'll be handing out to
> those who show interest.

That's certainly nice of SFI, and generous of you to do.  What operating
system is those CDs' software for?

Things may have changed, but, over all the years I've know SFI, it's
really almost entirely been about this, i.e., TheOpenCD for MS-Windows 
(quoting http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi):

  After contacting his local LUG regarding this idea he was referred to
  project, which maintained a CD of high-quality Free Software for Windows
  that matched Matt's (so far vague) vision. Matt proposed the idea of an
  international day of handing out Free Software CDs in TheOpenCD forums,
  and project leader Henrik Omma and project contributor Phil Harper both
  shared this vision and began collaborating immediately.

I ask just for clarity.  I'm making no comment on which OSes various
people choose to do volunteer work to help support strangers on, though
I have my own personal preferences.




From sverma at sfsu.edu  Thu Sep  9 14:08:30 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:08:30 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Software Freedom Day 2010
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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu):
>
>> We got a stack of CDs from SFI
>> (http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi) that we'll be handing out to
>> those who show interest.
>
> That's certainly nice of SFI, and generous of you to do. ?What operating
> system is those CDs' software for?
>

The CDs we got from SFI are Ubuntu Linux 10.04 Lucid Lynx 32-bit
Live/install CDs.

cheers,
Sameer

> Things may have changed, but, over all the years I've know SFI, it's
> really almost entirely been about this, i.e., TheOpenCD for MS-Windows
> (quoting http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi):
>
> ?After contacting his local LUG regarding this idea he was referred to
> ?project, which maintained a CD of high-quality Free Software for Windows
> ?that matched Matt's (so far vague) vision. Matt proposed the idea of an
> ?international day of handing out Free Software CDs in TheOpenCD forums,
> ?and project leader Henrik Omma and project contributor Phil Harper both
> ?shared this vision and began collaborating immediately.
>
> I ask just for clarity. ?I'm making no comment on which OSes various
> people choose to do volunteer work to help support strangers on, though
> I have my own personal preferences.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Thu Sep  9 14:10:00 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:10:00 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] EADS vs EARS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=E7UYHas4K+oHGTO4Yua_qXixQ+Kg3kZMnO1FS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=iRPpB96+uDbPM7KOO8VGgUqHaJqmvJiAbejN7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Mike Higashi <mhigashi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>> I was looking to buy a 2TB internal drive. Found one on Amazon.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Intellipower-Desktop-WD20EARS/dp/B002ZCXK0I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1284006014&sr=8-1
>>
>> But then, just on a whim, I searched for Linux compatibility, and it
>> turns out that EARS has issues under Linux. Has anyone run into these?
>> Any experiences?
>
> No personal experience, but have you seen this article on
> partitioning an EARS drive:
>
> ?http://www.linuxconfig.org/linux-wd-ears-advanced-format
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>

Thanks, Mike. Did not see that one.

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Sep  9 16:04:54 2010
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:04:54 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Software Freedom Day 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=iZ6WWk2Jv1ek=buBc_e7otwr3ucOZLfRE=E1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik0YQan69Ssf5ghidwLyR-r+dMeOK7+AUOOCqj_@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100909173343.GO8190@linuxmafia.com>
	<AANLkTi=iZ6WWk2Jv1ek=buBc_e7otwr3ucOZLfRE=E1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100909230453.GA9893@linuxmafia.com>

> > system is those CDs' software for?
> >

Good news, then.  Thanks for the details.




From nbs at sonic.net  Mon Sep 13 17:13:03 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:13:03 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Users' Group of Davis,
	September 18th Software Freedom Day,
	September 20th "Haiku" operating system
Message-ID: <201009140013.o8E0D3RX030132@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) will be holding a hands-on
demonstration of Linux and other open source software, and giving out
a limited number of free software discs as part of international
"Software Freeom Day"

  Saturday
  September 18, 2010
  4:00pm - 7:00pm

At the Davis Food Co-Op's demo station (near the meat department)

  Davis Food Co-Op
  620 G Street
  Davis, California 95616

For more about this event, and Software Freedom Day, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/sfd/

======================================================================

Additionally, LUGOD's next meeting takes place the following Monday:

  Monday
  September 20, 2010
  7:00pm - 9:00pm


The meeting will be held at:

  Explorit Nature Center  (aka Explorit's Mace Ranch Facility)
  3141 5th Street
  Davis, California 95616


Presentation:

  "Haiku" operating system
  with Scott McCreary and Urias McCullough of the Haiku Project

  Haiku is a project to create an open source operating system compatible
  with BeOS.  BeOS was optimized for digital media work and was written
  to take advantage of modern hardware facilities such as symmetric
  multiprocessing, pervasive multithreading, preemptive multitasking
  and a custom 64-bit journaling file system known as BFS. Its GUI was
  developed on the principles of clarity and a clean, uncluttered design
  and its API was written in C++ for ease of programming. Though it has
  POSIX compatibility and access to a command-line interface through
  Bash, internally it is not a Unix-derived operating system. Haiku
  aims to be compatible with BeOS at both the source and binary level,
  allowing software written and compiled for BeOS to compile and run
  without modification on Haiku.


For more details on this meeting, visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/


For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit:

  http://www.lugod.org/meeting/explorit/


About LUGOD:

  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and other Open Source
  and Free Software.

  Since 1999, LUGOD has held regular meetings with guest speakers
  in Davis, California, as well as other events in Davis and the greater
  Sacramento region.  Events are always free and open to the public.

  Please visit our website for more details:  http://www.lugod.org/


-- 
Bill Kendrick
pr at lugod.org
Public Relations Officer
Linux Users' Group of Davis
http://www.lugod.org/

(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 17:20:42 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:20:42 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Scratch programming app for kids for Linux
Message-ID: <AANLkTik5sGRmN2h-jLqjmGdBPDTc-r=fvULgCqJ3AH2s@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone familiar with this app?  I am trying to help a teacher install it.

The main page is here:

http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Source_Code

I am looking to install it with either synaptic or apt-get.  I am trying to
remotely support a teacher.  Thanks either way.  We are attempting to
install it on Ubuntu 10.04.
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From jim at well.com  Tue Sep 14 17:45:16 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:45:16 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Scratch programming app for kids for Linux
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik5sGRmN2h-jLqjmGdBPDTc-r=fvULgCqJ3AH2s@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik5sGRmN2h-jLqjmGdBPDTc-r=fvULgCqJ3AH2s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1284511516.1921.16.camel@jim-laptop>


Did you see this link (lets you download for Ubuntu)? 
http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Linux_Installer 


On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 17:20 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Anyone familiar with this app?  I am trying to help a teacher install
> it.  
> 
> 
> The main page is here:
> 
> 
> http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Source_Code
> 
> 
> I am looking to install it with either synaptic or apt-get.  I am
> trying to remotely support a teacher.  Thanks either way.  We are
> attempting to install it on Ubuntu 10.04.
> 




From opietro at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 14 18:24:21 2010
From: opietro at yahoo.com (Owen Pietrokowsky)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:24:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] advice on Mac iBookG4 kernel panic
Message-ID: <884368.46874.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A friend of mine is having a problem with her Mac iBookG4 Logic Board; she gets 
a kernel panic like the following:


Mon Sep 13 13:54:53 2010
panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A4554): attempt to interlock mutex (0x0218DD80) failed 
on mutex lock

Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
      Backtrace:
         0x000954F8 0x00095A10 0x00026898 0x000A4554 0x000868C4 0x00086F28 
0x002D8EE4 0x002B219C 

         0x002D9150 0x002D85B4 0x002D8D30 0x002DA328 0x0099E9F4 0x0099E710 
0x00999194 0x0097D014 

         0x002E9A80 0x002EB94C 0x0008C248 0x00029234 0x000233F8 0x000ABEAC 
0x00000000 

      Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
         com.apple.ATIRadeon9700(4.1.8)@0x975000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x48d000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.4.2)@0x90a000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.4.2)@0x92e000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
   Exception state (sv=0x2D672C80)
      PC=0x9000AF48; MSR=0x0200F030; DAR=0x012D2048; DSISR=0x40000000; 
LR=0x9000AE9C; R1=0xBFFFE8E0; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 18:26:00 PDT 2007;  
root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC
*********

Apple says this kernel panic problem may be related to the graphics card 
(attached to logic board). 


 
Owen
 

Owen Pietrokowsky
Editor, writer 
Biotech, high-tech, linux, materials science
opietro at yahoo.com

LinkedIn:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/owenpietrokowsky


      
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 18:38:57 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:38:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Scratch programming app for kids for Linux
In-Reply-To: <1284511516.1921.16.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <AANLkTik5sGRmN2h-jLqjmGdBPDTc-r=fvULgCqJ3AH2s@mail.gmail.com>
	<1284511516.1921.16.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYPMGw75oUY6iyxNeU7dK5q1_8ED+hDWO8OLkT@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:45 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
> Did you see this link (lets you download for Ubuntu)?
> http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Linux_Installer
>
>
Jim, thanks very much for that.  That was exactly what I needed.  This
teacher is the 6th, 7th, and 8th grade science teacher at Creative Arts.
His name is Mike Chow.  We got him all set, at least for tomorrow.  The
following is my documentation for how to get Scratch.

Open a terminal by going to Applications > Accessories > Terminal.

mchow at CACS-Science1:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:scratch/ppa
[sudo] password for mchow:
Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring
--secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg
--keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
--keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv
23403660EE12976C09CA59F5AC1F27D74EA7974E
gpg: requesting key 4EA7974E from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
gpg: key 4EA7974E: public key "Launchpad scratch1.4" imported
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)
mchow at CACS-Science1:~$ apt-get update
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission
denied)
E: Unable to lock the list directory
mchow at CACS-Science1:~$ sudo apt-get update
Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release.gpg [307B]
Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net/scratch/ppa/ubuntu/ lucid/main
Translation-en_US
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security Release.gpg
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/main Translation-en_US
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid Release.gpg
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/restricted Translation-en_US
Get:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release [57.3kB]
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/restricted
Translation-en_US
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/universe
Translation-en_US
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/multiverse
Translation-en_US
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security Release

Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/universe Translation-en_US

Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/multiverse Translation-en_US
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates Release.gpg
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main
Translation-en_US
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/restricted
Translation-en_US
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/universe
Translation-en_US
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/multiverse
Translation-en_US
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid Release

Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates
Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/main
Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Packages

Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/restricted Packages

Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Sources

Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/restricted Sources

Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/universe Packages

Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/restricted Packages

Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/main Sources

Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/restricted Sources

Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/universe Packages

Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/universe Sources

Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/universe Sources

Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/multiverse Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/multiverse Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates/main Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates/restricted Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates/main Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/multiverse Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/multiverse Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates/restricted Sources
Get:3 http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid/main Packages [681B]
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates/universe Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates/universe Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates/multiverse Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates/multiverse Sources
Fetched 58.2kB in 1s (36.0kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
mchow at CACS-Science1:~$ apt-get scratch
E: Invalid operation scratch
mchow at CACS-Science1:~$ apt-get install scratch
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission
denied)
E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you
root?
mchow at CACS-Science1:~$ sudo apt-get install scratch
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  scratch
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 271 not upgraded.
Need to get 34.2MB of archives.
After this operation, 56.3MB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net/scratch/ppa/ubuntu/ lucid/main scratch
1:1.4.0.1-0ubuntu5 [34.2MB]
Fetched 34.2MB in 1min 11s
(477kB/s)
Selecting previously deselected package scratch.
(Reading database ... 123946 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking scratch (from .../scratch_1%3a1.4.0.1-0ubuntu5_i386.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Processing triggers for shared-mime-info ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
Processing triggers for python-gmenu ...
Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/desktop.en_US.utf8.cache...
Processing triggers for python-support ...
Setting up scratch (1:1.4.0.1-0ubuntu5) ...
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 18:42:39 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:42:39 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Scratch programming app for kids for Linux
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYPMGw75oUY6iyxNeU7dK5q1_8ED+hDWO8OLkT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik5sGRmN2h-jLqjmGdBPDTc-r=fvULgCqJ3AH2s@mail.gmail.com>
	<1284511516.1921.16.camel@jim-laptop>
	<AANLkTimYPMGw75oUY6iyxNeU7dK5q1_8ED+hDWO8OLkT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTingO+FUO9wxO=M=yxy88cnRqV1YCj-P-On45LhE@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, by the way, I forgot to say that I left in my mistakes so that Mike Chow
would be able to see what happens if you don't use sudo.  heh.

Jim, thanks again for getting me started on the right path.  Thanks also to
Elizabeth Krumbach for stepping me through the process of getting the ppa
into the repositories for 10.04.  I greatly appreciate what you both did to
help!
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 18:59:34 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:59:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Scratch programming app for kids for Linux
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik5sGRmN2h-jLqjmGdBPDTc-r=fvULgCqJ3AH2s@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik5sGRmN2h-jLqjmGdBPDTc-r=fvULgCqJ3AH2s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=iz4hukJLYW16qSTyHWfLxcqw4OM9t60EaggTm@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Just a little background on what Mike Chow is teaching the kids.  He is
showing the kids how to think sequentially and analytically with programming
in Scratch.  Scratch is a programming application that features Scratch, a
cat, as your hero.  You can make Scratch walk around on the screen, get
bigger, put on costumes, and a bunch of other stuff.  Mike also uses Scratch
to help children understand the X, Y, and Z dimensions in geometry, because
as Scratch walks around the grid, the children come to understand what it
means for Scratch to go over two units, down three units, and back four
units (or whatever else they tell Scratch to do.

For 6 years now, we have been looking for a teacher with a computer science
background to teach kids programming.  It looks like we now have that person
in the form of Mike Chow.  I am extremely excited to see Mike Chow take an
interest in programming.  Programming is one of the things that Linux
machines do best of all, and so I am really really happy that Mike Chow is
doing a great job of integrating programming into the real lives of these
kids and making programming come alive and be relevant for them.

Thanks again to Jim Stockford and Elizabeth Krumbach for helping me help
this teacher.  I was really at an impasse, and Jim and Elizabeth solved it
quickly for me!  It is a wonderful experience for me to have this kind of
support from such nice people.  :-)
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From jim at systemateka.com  Wed Sep 15 08:32:39 2010
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:32:39 -0700
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 11:10:22 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:10:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] grant writing help
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEbAxRc4DUJ90kUJ4Y-tZkJo9sZKTUNOdvn8Fm@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We have been providing support to public schools with Linux computers for 6
years now, and we would like to start to expand our efforts.  Up to now, we
have been using re-purposed machines, but there have been complaints about
the machines from some teachers and students.  A number of teachers have
said that they would use more Linux machines if they could have notebook
computers in the classroom.  Transitioning from the classroom to a lab is
disruptive.  It costs at least 10 minutes to get the kids up out of their
seats, and into the next room, and then some kids inevitably need something
from their classrooms such as a book or a piece of paper.  When classes are
only 40 minutes long, a loss of 10 minutes can be significant.

Also, some teachers have said that the old CRT monitors that we are using
take up too much space, and appear junky.  Appearance generates pride, and
the kids are more likely to take care of good equipment than old equipment.

Also, we are not doing justice to Linux by installing it on old hardware.
 People come to associate Linux with clunky old stuff.  They conclude that
Linux is not as "new" or not as "good" as Microsoft Windows or Apple.

We could greatly use help with grant writing.  If you have experience as a
grant writer, and would like to contribute to a great Linux project to place
Linux computers in schools, we could certainly use your help!
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From bill at wards.net  Wed Sep 15 12:00:05 2010
From: bill at wards.net (bill at wards.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:00:05 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] NEXT WEEK: PenLUG meeting 09/22/2010
Message-ID: <E1OvxDB-0005bX-70@mail.westernweb.com>

PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS:

   +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |Date:    |Wednesday, September 22, 2010                                 |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |Time:    |6:00 - 8:00 PM                                                |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |         |Bayshore Technology Park                                      |
   |Location:|1300 Island Drive                                             |
   |         |Redwood City, CA 94065                                        |
   |         |Suite 106 - Training Room                                     |
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   |         |Facebook:                                                     |
   |RSVP:    |http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=143325292376359         |
   |         |or mail rsvp at penlug.org                                       |
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   Note we are now meeting on Wednesdays! Since March 2010, we moved to the
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   Agenda:

     * 6:00 PM Potluck snacks
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     * 6:30 PM Presentation begins
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  Work smarter, not harder: Tools and Techniques to Make a Sysadmin's Life
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From sverma at sfsu.edu  Wed Sep 15 19:44:27 2010
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:44:27 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Software Freedom Day 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik0YQan69Ssf5ghidwLyR-r+dMeOK7+AUOOCqj_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik0YQan69Ssf5ghidwLyR-r+dMeOK7+AUOOCqj_@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> Hello SF-LUG,
>
> We at SFSU are celebrating Software Freedom Day 2010. The event will
> be on Thursday, September 16, 2010 instead of the traditional Saturday
> (Sept 18) because we get very little foot traffic on Saturdays.
> Information Management Systems Association (http://imsa.sfsu.edu/) is
> the student organization that's hosting the event on campus. You are
> all welcome to drop by, attend, assist, support, cheer and so on.
>
> We got a stack of CDs from SFI
> (http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi) that we'll be handing out to
> those who show interest. We'll also have some flyers and posters about
> the event, the concept of "free" etc. Additionally, like last year, we
> will also burn a stack of FOSS for Windows CDs
> (http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-cd/) Any help in burning these would be
> great.
>
> Our page is at http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/NorthAmerica/USA/CA/San%20Francisco%20Bay%20Area/imsa-sfsu
>
> A complete list of registered teams is at
> http://cgi.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/map.shtml#teamlist
>
> More details to follow.
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor, Information Systems
> Director, Campus Business Solutions
> San Francisco State University
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
> http://is.sfsu.edu/
>

We are all set for tomorrow for Software Freedom Day 2010. This page
http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/NorthAmerica/USA/CA/San%20Francisco%20Bay%20Area/imsa-sfsu
has more details about location, etc.

Hope to see you on SFSU campus tomorrow!

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Information Systems
Director, Campus Business Solutions
San Francisco State University
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
http://cbs.sfsu.edu/
http://is.sfsu.edu/



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Fri Sep 17 05:42:29 2010
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:42:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG meeting Tu 2010-09-21: Martyn Collins: Linux
	Lawyers	(converted his solo law office to Linux); & other BALUG news
Message-ID: <20100917054229.41086euz0achv9c0@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG meeting Tu 2010-09-21: Martyn Collins: Linux Lawyers (converted  
his solo law office to Linux); & other BALUG news

In this issue (details further below):
2010-09-21 Tu: BALUG meeting Tu:
   Martyn Collins: Linux Lawyers (converted his solo law office to Linux)
   Books for BALUG!
   Linux/Ubuntu CDs

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-09-21

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-09-21 meeting, we're proud to present
Martyn Collins of All-Access Law on Linux Lawyers.  Martyn Collins
converted his solo law office to Linux in November 2009.  He's not
looked back since.  He'll be talking to us about his experience in
making the move, as well as his thoughts about Linux and lawyers.

See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at
this meeting (books, CDs, etc.)

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                     rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such.

Meeting Details...

                     6:30pm
                     Tuesday, September 21th, 2010 2010-09-21

                     Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                     731 Grant Ave.
                     San Francisco, CA 94108
                     Easy PARKING:
                       Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                       http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
           cash, we give you a gift of dinner ticket to join us for a yummy
           family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also
           helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to
           defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following):

Pearson Education User Group Program: Books - review copies for BALUG
We have at least the following books to give away:

UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook, 4th Edition
http://www.informit.com/title/0131480057
o By Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent R. Hein, Ben Whaley
o Published Jul 14, 2010 by Prentice Hall.
o Copyright 2011
o Dimensions: 7 X 9-1/8
o Pages: 1344
o Edition: 4th
o Book ISBN-10: 0-13-148005-7 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-148005-6

Official Ubuntu Book, The, 5th Edition
http://www.informit.com/title/0137081308
o By Benjamin Mako Hill, Matthew Helmke, Corey Burger
o Published Jun 21, 2010 by Prentice Hall.
o Copyright 2010
o Dimensions: 7 X 9-1/8
o Pages: 448
o Edition: 5th
o Book ISBN-10: 0-13-708130-8 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-708130-1

We also have an additional book or two from local Linux authors.  If we
manage to confirm author(s) for a BALUG meeting later this year, we'd
give the corresponding book away at that meeting.  If not, at least one
of those books will be given away at a BALUG meeting (possibly as soon
as our upcoming Tuesday meeting) this year.  (BUUG
(http://www.buug.org/) has first dibs on the Mark Sobell book if BALUG
doesn't secure Mark Sobell as speaker at BALUG this year).  Those books
are:

Official Ubuntu Server Book, The, 2nd Edition
http://www.informit.com/title/0137081332
o By Kyle Rankin, Benjamin Mako Hill
o Published Aug 8, 2010 by Prentice Hall.
o Copyright 2011
o Pages: 592
o Edition: 2nd
o Book ISBN-10: 0-13-708133-2 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-708133-2
o eBook ISBN-10: 0-13-216798-0 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-216798-7

Practical Guide to Ubuntu Linux, A, 3rd Edition
http://www.informit.com/title/013254248X
o By Mark G. Sobell
o Published Aug 12, 2010 by Prentice Hall.
o Copyright 2011
o Dimensions: 7-3/8 X 9-1/8
o Pages: 1320
o Edition: 3rd
o Book ISBN-10: 0-13-254248-X ISBN-13: 978-0-13-254248-7
o eBook ISBN-10: 0-13-248334-3 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-248334-6

Also of note:
o Appears all of the books mentioned above are also available as eBook
    (may be watermarked), though I didn't spot ISBN-10/ISBN-13 numbers
    for some of them (see the referenced URLs).
o Kyle Rankin and Mark Sobell are both local Linux authors, and both
    have spoken at BALUG before.
o this book:
    UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook, 4th Edition
    generally comes highly recommended - especially for those new(er) to
    UNIX and Linux systems administration, but probably also still a handy
    reference for those with up through at least intermediate levels of
    experience on any particular flavor of UNIX/Linux where they may find
    themselves doing systems administration.

We'll also have various Linux/Ubuntu CDs available at the 2010-09-21
BALUG meeting (and likely also future meetings as long as our supply
lasts/continues), most notably presently including:
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Desktop CD PC (Intel x86) i386
(also at least some Fedora, Knoppix, and other Ubuntu variants presently)
Thanks to Grant Bowman and the Ubuntu California Team for getting CDs to
us.

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From bliss at sfo.com  Fri Sep 17 17:15:02 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:15:02 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Monday SF-LUG meets again!
Message-ID: <sig.08770ec94f.4C940486.3010509@sfo.com>


     This Monday September 20, 2010 SF-LUG will meet
again at the Cafe Enchante, 26th Avenue and Geary Blvd.
from 6 - 8 PM (nominally), in the Richmond district of
San Francisco.

     Jim Stockford expects to have relevant books available,
gratis for attendees.

     Later
     Bobbie Sellers



From nbs at sonic.net  Sat Sep 18 01:25:36 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:25:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Installfest workshop in Davis - Saturday,
	September 25th
Message-ID: <201009180825.o8I8Pa5w002659@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis will be holding a free "Linux Installfest"
workshop in Davis, California.


When:
  Saturday, September 25, 2010
  10:00am - 4:00pm

Where:
  N Street Cohousing
  Common House
  716 N Street
  Davis, California

  Maps/directions at:  http://www.lugod.org/if/directions_nst.php

What:
  Linux is a completely free, 'open source' operating system that can run
  on a wide variety of computer hardware.  It can act as a web-, file-,
  print- or game-server, run in a 'cluster' of computers to do 3D rendering
  or other intense math, or sit under your TV and record your favorite shows
  for later viewing.  Many people use it as an inexpensive, stable,
  virus- and spyware-free alternative to commercial software, such as
  Microsoft Windows.  It can be installed over, or alongside, Windows or
  Mac OS X.

  Members of the community are invited to bring their computers and laptops
  to this informal workshop, and volunteers from LUGOD will help you install
  and configure Linux... for FREE!

How:
  If you wish to bring in your PC, you must RSVP beforehand to reserve a
  space.  The RSVP form, and lots of useful information about Linux and
  Installfests, and how to prepare for the event, are accessible on the
  web at:

    http://www.lugod.org/if/

Help!
  We're always looking for volunteers for our workshops.  If you'd like to
  help, or come watch and learn as others are helped, please feel free to
  drop by.  Our "vox-if" mailing list is where we discuss plans and needs
  for these events, so we encourage you to sign up:

    http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/#vox-if

  ...or contact the Installfest coordinators directly via email:

    if at lugod.org

About LUGOD:
  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux operating; system and Open Source software, and
  which (along with holding Installfests) holds regular meetings with
  guest speakers each month in Davis, CA.  For details, visit:

    http://www.lugod.org/

-- 
Bill Kendrick
LUGOD Public Relations Officer
pr at lugod.org
http://www.lugod.org/
(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From jim at systemateka.com  Sat Sep 18 22:12:10 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:12:10 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, September 23,
 2010: Powerful Python Patterns
Message-ID: <1284873130.2514.12.camel@jim-laptop>


BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, September 23, 2010: Powerful Python
Patterns


This meeting's talk is Powerful Python Patterns
by Alex Martelli 

Patterns exist (and can fruitfully be studied and applied) 
in any field of human endeavor, including _of course_ Python, 
whatever a currently-going-around, misguided meme claims to 
the contrary. 

Tonight's talk summarizes of what Patterns are about, Design 
Patterns in particular, how they identify and describe 
categories of solutions to categories of problems, and how 
they're useful for teaching and communication as well as for 
guiding the design process.

As examples of specifically ?Pythonic? patterns, tonight's 
talk reminds the audience of the variants of Template Method 
that fit Python so perfectly and of why Dependency Injection 
is also so perfectly Pythonic. After mentioning other kinds 
(i.e., non-design) patterns and ?idioms?, the talk closes by 
showing how patterns work best when weaved into a whole 
Language of patterns, both hierarchically among different 
?scales?, and ?peer to peer? among patterns on the same 
?scale?.

Alex Martelli wrote ?Python in a Nutshell? and co-edited 
?Python Cookbook?. He?s a PSF member and won the 2002 
Activators? Choice Award and the 2006 Frank Willison Award 
for contributions to the Python community. He works as Senior 
Staff Engineer for Google. His detailed profile is at 
http://www.google.com/profiles/aleaxit .

.........................................

Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion 
of an essential Python feature, especially for those new to 
Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: none. 


LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------


..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, 
any first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:35 PM ................
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: none. 


..... 7:35 PM to 8:40 PM (or so) ................
The talk: Powerful Python Patterns by Alex Martelli 


..... 8:40 PM to 9:30 PM  ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, 
hiring, events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow 
up on the announcements and other interests.





From jim at systemateka.com  Sun Sep 19 11:41:04 2010
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:41:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Monday night books and promo stuff
Message-ID: <1284921664.2514.53.camel@jim-laptop>


   Re tomorrow night's meeting at the Cafe Enchante 
(6 PM to 8 PM)... 

   SF-LUG now has a sign to display at whatever 
tables we use at our Cafe Enchante meetings (we 
might even be able to leave it somewhere during 
the week to promote local interest). 
   SF-LUG now has bookmarks that have the image 
of the penguin on the transamerica building on 
one side and essential meeting and web site 
information on the other. The idea is to spread 
these around town, in the library, in bookstores, 
other places where people might want bookmarks. 
   Both ideas came from Bobbie Sellers, and 
bless you a lot, Bobbie, for the ideas and the 
work you put into making them. 

   Also, when I show up tomorrow night, I think 
I'll be able to remember to bring those pierce 
publishing books for give-aways: 
* The Official Ubuntu Server Book, by Kyle Rankin 
  and Benjamin Mako Hill, Prentice Hall 
* The Official Ubuntu Book, by Benjamin Mako Hill, 
  Matthew Helmke, Corey Burger, Prentice Hall 
* The Unix and Linux System Administration Handbook, 
  by Evi Nemeth, et als, Prentice Hall 





From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Sep 20 07:17:03 2010
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:17:03 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] REMINDER+: BALUG meeting Tomorrow Tu 2010-09-21: Martyn
	Collins:	Linux Lawyers (converted his solo law office to
	Linux); & other BALUG news
Message-ID: <20100920071703.33493ebf2hrz7d0k@webmail.rawbw.com>

REMINDER+: BALUG meeting Tomorrow Tu 2010-09-21: Martyn Collins: Linux  
Lawyers (converted his solo law office to Linux); & other BALUG news

In this issue (details further below):
2010-09-21 Tu: BALUG meeting Tu:
    Martyn Collins: Linux Lawyers (converted his solo law office to Linux)
    Books for BALUG!
    Linux/Ubuntu CDs
2010-10-01--2010-10-03 Joomla Day West 2010
------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tomorrow Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-09-21

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2010-09-21 meeting, we're proud to present
Martyn Collins of All-Access Law on Linux Lawyers.  Martyn Collins
converted his solo law office to Linux in November 2009.  He's not
looked back since.  He'll be talking to us about his experience in
making the move, as well as his thoughts about Linux and lawyers.

See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at
this meeting (books, CDs, etc.)

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                      rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such.

Meeting Details...

                      6:30pm
                      Tuesday, September 21th, 2010 2010-09-21

                      Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                      731 Grant Ave.
                      San Francisco, CA 94108
                      Easy PARKING:
                        Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                        http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
            cash, we give you a gift of dinner ticket to join us for a yummy
            family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also
            helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to
            defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).

Additional goodies we'll have at this meeting (at least the following):

Pearson Education User Group Program: Books - review copies for BALUG
We have at least the following books to give away:

UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook, 4th Edition
http://www.informit.com/title/0131480057
o By Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent R. Hein, Ben Whaley
o Published Jul 14, 2010 by Prentice Hall.
o Copyright 2011
o Dimensions: 7 X 9-1/8
o Pages: 1344
o Edition: 4th
o Book ISBN-10: 0-13-148005-7 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-148005-6

Official Ubuntu Book, The, 5th Edition
http://www.informit.com/title/0137081308
o By Benjamin Mako Hill, Matthew Helmke, Corey Burger
o Published Jun 21, 2010 by Prentice Hall.
o Copyright 2010
o Dimensions: 7 X 9-1/8
o Pages: 448
o Edition: 5th
o Book ISBN-10: 0-13-708130-8 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-708130-1

We also have an additional book or two from local Linux authors.  If we
manage to confirm author(s) for a BALUG meeting later this year, we'd
give the corresponding book away at that meeting.  If not, at least one
of those books will be given away at a BALUG meeting (possibly as soon
as our upcoming Tuesday meeting) this year.  (BUUG
(http://www.buug.org/) has first dibs on the Mark Sobell book if BALUG
doesn't secure Mark Sobell as speaker at BALUG this year).  Those books
are:

Official Ubuntu Server Book, The, 2nd Edition
http://www.informit.com/title/0137081332
o By Kyle Rankin, Benjamin Mako Hill
o Published Aug 8, 2010 by Prentice Hall.
o Copyright 2011
o Pages: 592
o Edition: 2nd
o Book ISBN-10: 0-13-708133-2 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-708133-2
o eBook ISBN-10: 0-13-216798-0 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-216798-7

Practical Guide to Ubuntu Linux, A, 3rd Edition
http://www.informit.com/title/013254248X
o By Mark G. Sobell
o Published Aug 12, 2010 by Prentice Hall.
o Copyright 2011
o Dimensions: 7-3/8 X 9-1/8
o Pages: 1320
o Edition: 3rd
o Book ISBN-10: 0-13-254248-X ISBN-13: 978-0-13-254248-7
o eBook ISBN-10: 0-13-248334-3 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-248334-6

Also of note:
o Appears all of the books mentioned above are also available as eBook
     (may be watermarked), though I didn't spot ISBN-10/ISBN-13 numbers
     for some of them (see the referenced URLs).
o Kyle Rankin and Mark Sobell are both local Linux authors, and both
     have spoken at BALUG before.
o this book:
     UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook, 4th Edition
     generally comes highly recommended - especially for those new(er) to
     UNIX and Linux systems administration, but probably also still a handy
     reference for those with up through at least intermediate levels of
     experience on any particular flavor of UNIX/Linux where they may find
     themselves doing systems administration.

We'll also have various Linux/Ubuntu CDs available at the 2010-09-21
BALUG meeting (and likely also future meetings as long as our supply
lasts/continues), most notably presently including:
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Desktop CD PC (Intel x86) i386
(also at least some Fedora, Knoppix, and other Ubuntu variants presently)
Thanks to Grant Bowman and the Ubuntu California Team for getting CDs to
us.

------------------------------

2010-10-01--2010-10-03 Joomla Day West 2010
http://joomladaywest.com/
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2010-September/004667.html

------------------------------

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/




From bliss at sfo.com  Mon Sep 20 07:38:08 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:38:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Mandriva News Fwd: Fork is official
Message-ID: <sig.5879b18d08.4C9771D0.6050005@sfo.com>

	Mandriva has forked with the employees let go
by the new management deciding to jointly instantiate
their vision of the Mandriva future as Mageia.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fork is official
Date: 20 Sep 2010 13:07:13 GMT
From: Dan C <youmustbejoking at lan.invalid>
Organization: Dunedain
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mandriva


http://www.mageia.org/


-- 
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
"Bother!" said Pooh, as he found his pit crew eating ice cream.
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
Thanks, Obama: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/politica/thanks.jpg
-----------------------

	later
	bliss



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 17:49:15 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:49:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] pizza and Linux for schools
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

We have another opportunity to help local schools use GNU-Linux and FOSS.
 This Saturday, September 25, from 10 to 11:00 at the Oakland Museum of
California at 1000 Oak St
Oakland, CA 94607-4892, (510) 238-2200, we will be picking up monitors for
schools and taking the monitors to the Creative Arts Charter School in San
Francisco.  Anyone who has a car is very welcome to come and help us move
monitors.  Monitors have a secondary market, and so they often are the
limiting commodity that stops us from providing complete computer systems to
the schools.  So these monitors will be very useful for us, indeed.  So if
you would like to help, please call Christian at 415-351-1300, and leave a
message if you get voice mail.  The time and place to meet will be 10:00 at
the Oakland Museum of California at 1000 Oak Street.  You will need to call
Christian at any rate in order to coordinate the pick-up of the monitors.
 We will need at least one big box truck, or two pick-up trucks, or four
cars to move all of the monitors.

After we move the monitors, if we still have time left, we will be taking
the old monitors from their storage space at the Creative Arts Charter
School and we will take them to the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy, where
they will eventually be picked up and given to the Alameda County Computer
Resource Center, which provides us with Linux computers.

If there is time left over after that, we will triage machines at the
Creative Arts Charter School, and we will look for a network printer for one
of the KIPP teachers.  If you happen to have a working network printer that
you could donate, please let us know.

Pizza will be served at 2 pm or when we are done moving, whichever comes
soonest.
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From grantbow at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 23:50:26 2010
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:50:26 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] OLPC SF Community Summit 2010! Fri, Oct 22 - Sun, Oct 24
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYyS-PFxDWw7i7PzOYWBViS7ywt08F24C5VZAY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYyS-PFxDWw7i7PzOYWBViS7ywt08F24C5VZAY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinw9BFvac98X4ULPGsL25buyhr=PoMWbC-UjY6+@mail.gmail.com>

This conference is just around the corner now.

Cheers,

Grant Bowman


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: OLPCSF Contact <contact at olpcsf.org>
Date: Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Subject: OLPC SF Community Summit 2010! Fri, Oct 22 - Sun, Oct 24
To: OLPC SF <olpc-sf at lists.laptop.org>


What: OLPC SF Community Summit 2010 is a community event that brings
together educators, technologists, anthropologists, enthusiasts,
champions and volunteers. We share stories, exchange ideas, solve
problems, foster community and build collaboration around the One
Laptop per Child project and its mission worldwide. The event is a
combination of panel discussions, "Birds of a Feather" sessions,
speed-geeking and much more! The event is hosted by the OLPC San
Francisco volunteer community.

Website: http://olpcsf.org/CommunitySummit2010/

Where: SFSU Downtown Campus, 835 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94103

When: Fri, Oct 22 - Sun Oct 24 ? See the Schedule on the website

People: See pictures, bios and a list of confirmed registrants -
People on the website

Registration: Regular Price is $35. See Registration on the website

Donate/Promote: Request for travel scholarships & images for promoting
the event - Donate/Promote on the website

Contact: Join our email list http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sf
? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://twitter.com/olpcsf
? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://identi.ca/olpcsf
? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=68179607655



From jim at well.com  Thu Sep 23 08:37:15 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:37:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] grant writing help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimEbAxRc4DUJ90kUJ4Y-tZkJo9sZKTUNOdvn8Fm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimEbAxRc4DUJ90kUJ4Y-tZkJo9sZKTUNOdvn8Fm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1285256235.2079.10.camel@jim-laptop>


   How's it coming finding someone to help write 
a proposal for a grant to help fund your work in 
improving hardware for Linux systems for schools? 


On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 11:10 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> We have been providing support to public schools with Linux computers
> for 6 years now, and we would like to start to expand our efforts.  Up
> to now, we have been using re-purposed machines, but there have been
> complaints about the machines from some teachers and students.  A
> number of teachers have said that they would use more Linux machines
> if they could have notebook computers in the classroom.  Transitioning
> from the classroom to a lab is disruptive.  It costs at least 10
> minutes to get the kids up out of their seats, and into the next room,
> and then some kids inevitably need something from their classrooms
> such as a book or a piece of paper.  When classes are only 40 minutes
> long, a loss of 10 minutes can be significant.
> 
> 
> Also, some teachers have said that the old CRT monitors that we are
> using take up too much space, and appear junky.  Appearance generates
> pride, and the kids are more likely to take care of good equipment
> than old equipment.
> 
> 
> Also, we are not doing justice to Linux by installing it on old
> hardware.  People come to associate Linux with clunky old stuff.  They
> conclude that Linux is not as "new" or not as "good" as Microsoft
> Windows or Apple.  
> 
> 
> We could greatly use help with grant writing.  If you have experience
> as a grant writer, and would like to contribute to a great Linux
> project to place Linux computers in schools, we could certainly use
> your help! 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/




From vdow at unex.berkeley.edu  Thu Sep 23 15:55:59 2010
From: vdow at unex.berkeley.edu (Valerie Dow)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:55:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] grant writing help
In-Reply-To: <1285256235.2079.10.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <8E2465D9177E40C4838CCE909C928E93@unex.berkeley.edu>

FYI--UC Berkeley Extension has a 2-day course on grant and proposal writing
for anyone who'd like to learn more about it.  Two Saturdays, Oct 23 and
30th.
http://extension.berkeley.edu/cat/course2239.html

Best,
V.
 
Valerie Dow
U.C. Berkeley Extension
Communications & Marketing Services
1995 University Avenue, Suite 110
Berkeley, CA 94704-7000
phone: 510.643.1052
web site: extension.berkeley.edu
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com [mailto:sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com]
On Behalf Of jim
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:37 AM
To: Christian Einfeldt
Cc: sf-lug
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] grant writing help


   How's it coming finding someone to help write 
a proposal for a grant to help fund your work in 
improving hardware for Linux systems for schools? 


On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 11:10 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> We have been providing support to public schools with Linux computers
> for 6 years now, and we would like to start to expand our efforts.  Up
> to now, we have been using re-purposed machines, but there have been
> complaints about the machines from some teachers and students.  A
> number of teachers have said that they would use more Linux machines
> if they could have notebook computers in the classroom.  Transitioning
> from the classroom to a lab is disruptive.  It costs at least 10
> minutes to get the kids up out of their seats, and into the next room,
> and then some kids inevitably need something from their classrooms
> such as a book or a piece of paper.  When classes are only 40 minutes
> long, a loss of 10 minutes can be significant.
> 
> 
> Also, some teachers have said that the old CRT monitors that we are
> using take up too much space, and appear junky.  Appearance generates
> pride, and the kids are more likely to take care of good equipment
> than old equipment.
> 
> 
> Also, we are not doing justice to Linux by installing it on old
> hardware.  People come to associate Linux with clunky old stuff.  They
> conclude that Linux is not as "new" or not as "good" as Microsoft
> Windows or Apple.  
> 
> 
> We could greatly use help with grant writing.  If you have experience
> as a grant writer, and would like to contribute to a great Linux
> project to place Linux computers in schools, we could certainly use
> your help! 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/


_______________________________________________
sf-lug mailing list
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Information about SF-LUG is at http://www.sf-lug.org/




From einfeldt at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 10:07:14 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:07:14 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] pizza and Linux for schools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3=CdL27QboC15fQQRSq-+opzBSv-=FW+eTWwZ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Here is a little more exact information about where we will be meeting from
the guy who is giving us the donations of monitors that we will be picking
up this Saturday (tomorrow):

Any drivers you get - let them know
to go to the 10th Street deliveries area


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> hi,
>
> We have another opportunity to help local schools use GNU-Linux and FOSS.
>  This Saturday, September 25, from 10 to 11:00 at the Oakland Museum of
> California at 1000 Oak St
> Oakland, CA 94607-4892, (510) 238-2200, we will be picking up monitors for
> schools and taking the monitors to the Creative Arts Charter School in San
> Francisco.  Anyone who has a car is very welcome to come and help us move
> monitors.  Monitors have a secondary market, and so they often are the
> limiting commodity that stops us from providing complete computer systems to
> the schools.  So these monitors will be very useful for us, indeed.  So if
> you would like to help, please call Christian at 415-351-1300, and leave a
> message if you get voice mail.  The time and place to meet will be 10:00 at
> the Oakland Museum of California at 1000 Oak Street.  You will need to call
> Christian at any rate in order to coordinate the pick-up of the monitors.
>  We will need at least one big box truck, or two pick-up trucks, or four
> cars to move all of the monitors.
>
> After we move the monitors, if we still have time left, we will be taking
> the old monitors from their storage space at the Creative Arts Charter
> School and we will take them to the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy, where
> they will eventually be picked up and given to the Alameda County Computer
> Resource Center, which provides us with Linux computers.
>
> If there is time left over after that, we will triage machines at the
> Creative Arts Charter School, and we will look for a network printer for one
> of the KIPP teachers.  If you happen to have a working network printer that
> you could donate, please let us know.
>
> Pizza will be served at 2 pm or when we are done moving, whichever comes
> soonest.
>
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From lyz at princessleia.com  Fri Sep 24 16:48:58 2010
From: lyz at princessleia.com (Elizabeth Krumbach)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:48:58 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] San Francisco Ubuntu Hour, Tuesday, September 28th @ 6PM
Message-ID: <AANLkTiny7NajqJjd9DGq_AELip9+1SfuUnHz6-=e+Gk=@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Just a reminder that, I'll be hosting an Ubuntu Hour Tuesday (on the
4th Tuesday of the month), September 28th at The Roastery in San
Francisco.

Date: Tuesday, September 28th

Time: 6-7PM

Location: The Roastery
199 New Montgomery St
(between Natoma St & Howard St)
San Francisco, CA 94105

It's less than a block from Thirsty Bear, where the Ubuntu California
team hosted the SF Lucid release party. They have pastries, wifi and
standard coffee shop drinks. The coffee shop isn't very big, so you
shouldn't have trouble finding me - I'll be wearing an Ubuntu t-shirt
and have a pink netbook with Ubuntu stickers on it.

Not strictly required since it's pretty informal, but if you feel like
signing up I also created a LoCo Directory entry for it:

http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/380/detail/

So drop by and say hello, have a chat about Ubuntu, bring along your
laptop that you're having that weird problem with so we can take a
look or just have a warm drink with some fellow Ubuntu people.

In the area but can't make it at this time? Consider hosting your own
Ubuntu Hour! They're easy and informal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour

-- 
Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2
http://www.princessleia.com



From aropoika at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 24 19:57:39 2010
From: aropoika at earthlink.net (BillHill)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:57:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [sf-lug] Fw: Re: grant writing help
Message-ID: <10230744.1285383459909.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

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From bliss at sfo.com  Sat Sep 25 09:09:43 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:09:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: HDMInsult
Message-ID: <sig.8884891b65.4C9E1EC7.1050104@sfo.com>

  Thought this might be of interest.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	HDMInsult
Date: 	Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:51:49 -0400
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Reply-To: 
reply-1-398-924014-2826ca29716c738cd83705260418462905a7e1b9-bliss=sfo.com at defectivebydesign.org 

To: 	Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com>



# Intel's latest DRM fiasco

Once again, we're seeing boneheaded reactions to the failure of a DRM scheme. DRM is largely ineffective against large-scale unauthorized copying going on in Eastern Europe and Asia, and yet the large media companies are happy to parade the opposite as the truth. Instead of admitting their real goal of disrupting legitimate uses and restricting customers as much as possible -- forcing them to repeatedly purchase the same records, movies and TV shows again and again -- they pretend that this is technological progress.

As you may have heard in the news, Intel is now threatening legal
action against people using the recently discovered master key for
HDMI.

## Take action!

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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 10:21:46 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:21:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] pizza and Linux for schools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=4F4M_8fu5aZ7WoABKoEub3T5jeDFDt8pXm3Q6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We have arrived at the Oakland museum of California and are loading
monitors.  We will be going from here to san francisco.  The time is now
10:21.  I will leave a notice here on the list when we are leaving.

On Sep 22, 2010 5:49 PM, "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi,
>
> We have another opportunity to help local schools use GNU-Linux and FOSS.
> This Saturday, September 25, from 10 to 11:00 at the Oakland Museum of
> California at 1000 Oak St
> Oakland, CA 94607-4892, (510) 238-2200, we will be picking up monitors for
> schools and taking the monitors to the Creative Arts Charter School in San
> Francisco. Anyone who has a car is very welcome to come and help us move
> monitors. Monitors have a secondary market, and so they often are the
> limiting commodity that stops us from providing complete computer systems
to
> the schools. So these monitors will be very useful for us, indeed. So if
> you would like to help, please call Christian at 415-351-1300, and leave a
> message if you get voice mail. The time and place to meet will be 10:00 at
> the Oakland Museum of California at 1000 Oak Street. You will need to call
> Christian at any rate in order to coordinate the pick-up of the monitors.
> We will need at least one big box truck, or two pick-up trucks, or four
> cars to move all of the monitors.
>
> After we move the monitors, if we still have time left, we will be taking
> the old monitors from their storage space at the Creative Arts Charter
> School and we will take them to the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy, where
> they will eventually be picked up and given to the Alameda County Computer
> Resource Center, which provides us with Linux computers.
>
> If there is time left over after that, we will triage machines at the
> Creative Arts Charter School, and we will look for a network printer for
one
> of the KIPP teachers. If you happen to have a working network printer that
> you could donate, please let us know.
>
> Pizza will be served at 2 pm or when we are done moving, whichever comes
> soonest.
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 10:58:10 2010
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:58:10 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] pizza and Linux for schools
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYXatijr7kNSahnQTFikB0dyVErdHHOgSuoTz=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinhhVEj=FU2Be2=m=G5svoS-6JAYqc2NtHB4C_g@mail.gmail.com>

We are now leaving the museum.

On Sep 22, 2010 5:49 PM, "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi,
>
> We have another opportunity to help local schools use GNU-Linux and FOSS.
> This Saturday, September 25, from 10 to 11:00 at the Oakland Museum of
> California at 1000 Oak St
> Oakland, CA 94607-4892, (510) 238-2200, we will be picking up monitors for
> schools and taking the monitors to the Creative Arts Charter School in San
> Francisco. Anyone who has a car is very welcome to come and help us move
> monitors. Monitors have a secondary market, and so they often are the
> limiting commodity that stops us from providing complete computer systems
to
> the schools. So these monitors will be very useful for us, indeed. So if
> you would like to help, please call Christian at 415-351-1300, and leave a
> message if you get voice mail. The time and place to meet will be 10:00 at
> the Oakland Museum of California at 1000 Oak Street. You will need to call
> Christian at any rate in order to coordinate the pick-up of the monitors.
> We will need at least one big box truck, or two pick-up trucks, or four
> cars to move all of the monitors.
>
> After we move the monitors, if we still have time left, we will be taking
> the old monitors from their storage space at the Creative Arts Charter
> School and we will take them to the KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy, where
> they will eventually be picked up and given to the Alameda County Computer
> Resource Center, which provides us with Linux computers.
>
> If there is time left over after that, we will triage machines at the
> Creative Arts Charter School, and we will look for a network printer for
one
> of the KIPP teachers. If you happen to have a working network printer that
> you could donate, please let us know.
>
> Pizza will be served at 2 pm or when we are done moving, whichever comes
> soonest.
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From cymraegish at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 20:07:15 2010
From: cymraegish at gmail.com (Brian Morris)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:07:15 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] grant writing help
In-Reply-To: <10230744.1285383459909.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <10230744.1285383459909.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=a25ZzQxwFbU1s3Jd931D07tw_FR=5QvjAy_nv@mail.gmail.com>

Did you ever think about getting the kids to write letters (using
their Linux computers) ?

You could try someone at Google maybe  -- since they use a lot of
Linux (actually have outlawed Windoze on site recently), make sure the
kids know that. What other big corporations use Linux (and would like
to see more people with basic skills and comfort with it around) --
makes a good research topic.

Give them a taste of  "Free as in freedom". My business teacher I
quote often said "People work for freedom not for money".

The flat panel monitors you might consult whoever pays the electric
bills, since they do pay for themselves that way.

Just a few suggestions.

Another idea getting the kids involved is for them to learn somethings
about the hardware. For instance what are the speed bottlenecks and
what can be improved with parts upgrades. Linux has very many good
tools for this. Also for keeping track of the old machines condition
such as  SMART for hard drives. Are they learning basic tools also
such as hdparm, free, dmesg, lspci, etc ? The first thing I got into
in Linux was the ease and completeness in getting info on your
hardware.

Brian



From algoldor at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 28 10:24:05 2010
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] shared printer/various operation systems ==> printing -
	todays afternoon at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <806226.34009.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 
Hi to All! I've done this up to now:  1. I've cleaned the table, I know, you 
would not believe it. 2. I've put on the table      Dell Inspiron 8200, with 1 
GB of RAM, operation system - UBUNTU 10.04     Apple Computer 63 366 Mhz, 192 of 
RAM, 6 GB hard drive, operation system - OS 9.22      HP PSC 2210 all in one 
printer ? functional (USB port, no ethernet)     Broadband Router Wireless-G 2.4 
GHz, 54 Mbps (Linksys)         extension power cord with multiple sockets   3. 
I'll be around in the afternoon dedicating 2 hours of my time to make these 
computers to communicate with the printer and print. 4. Can you come and help 
me? 5. Can you get third computer with windows so we have the ?dark one? there 
too?  See you soon,  Frantisek


      



From nbs at sonic.net  Tue Sep 28 18:53:48 2010
From: nbs at sonic.net (nbs)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:53:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Installfest workshop in Davis - Friday, October 1st
Message-ID: <201009290153.o8T1rmi5031587@bolt.sonic.net>


The Linux Users' Group of Davis, together with the Computer Science Club
at UC Davis, will be holding another free "Linux Installfest" workshop in
Davis, California.


When:
  Friday, October 1, 2010
  5:00pm - 10:00pm

Where:
  Kemper Hall, Room 1003
  1288 Bainer Hall Drive (UC Davis campus)
  Davis, California

  Maps/directions at:  http://www.lugod.org/if/directions_kemper.php

What:
  Linux is a completely free, 'open source' operating system that can run
  on a wide variety of computer hardware.  It can act as a web-, file-,
  print- or game-server, run in a 'cluster' of computers to do 3D rendering
  or other intense math, or sit under your TV and record your favorite shows
  for later viewing.  Many people use it as an inexpensive, stable,
  virus- and spyware-free alternative to commercial software, such as
  Microsoft Windows.  It can be installed over, or alongside, Windows or
  Mac OS X.

  Members of the community are invited to bring their computers and laptops
  to this informal workshop, and volunteers from LUGOD will help you install
  and configure Linux... for FREE!

How:
  If you wish to bring in your PC, you must RSVP beforehand to reserve a
  space.  The RSVP form, and lots of useful information about Linux and
  Installfests, and how to prepare for the event, are accessible on the
  web at:

    http://www.lugod.org/if/

Help!
  We're always looking for volunteers for our workshops.  If you'd like to
  help, or come watch and learn as others are helped, please feel free to
  drop by.  Our "vox-if" mailing list is where we discuss plans and needs
  for these events, so we encourage you to sign up:

    http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/#vox-if

  ...or contact the Installfest coordinators directly via email:

    if at lugod.org

About LUGOD:
  The Linux Users' Group of Davis is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization
  dedicated to the Linux operating; system and Open Source software, and
  which (along with holding Installfests) holds regular meetings with
  guest speakers each month in Davis, CA.  For details, visit:

    http://www.lugod.org/

-- 
Bill Kendrick
LUGOD Public Relations Officer
pr at lugod.org
http://www.lugod.org/
(Your address: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com )



From algoldor at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 28 23:06:52 2010
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] notes on set up of local network,
	ubuntu machines and printer - please improve them!
Message-ID: <658394.82708.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 
Basic local network setup on ubuntu machines (10.04)  convention range of IP 
addresses dedicated to the machines on the network: 3-10 printers 11-49 
administrator 50-99 student computers 200-248 ??  DHCP server claims probably 
between 100-149  Manual configuration of the IP addresses of the computers  type 
the ifconfig command for the information about your network interfaces ifconfig  
configure your IP address to value 50->  sudo ifconfig eth 192.168.1.50  check 
that IP was chenged by repeating the ifconfig command ifconfig  if IP changed, 
connect the computer to the router by RG44 jack/Ethernet cable  ping the router, 
IP probably 192.168.1.1 ping 192.168.1.1   cancel the process by control + c and 
continue further if the connection is established  set up the IP on second 
computer: sudo ifconfig etc 192.168.1.51  check the change by ifconfig and ping 
the router  ping the first computer from the second computer (192.168.1.51) ping 
192.168.1.50  connect the printer through the graphical interface to the one of 
the printers and set it up as a printing server.   Next week I hope to the the 
command line options on connecting the printers and sharing the printer from 
several computers.


      



From algoldor at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 28 23:31:28 2010
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:31:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] my linux notes
Message-ID: <269397.49509.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

HI to All!
I'm just enclosing a file which I've started on 20th of May in 2008. They are 
basic notes on my Linux (Ubuntu) adventures. Maybe some can be handy for you, 
tips and tricks are appreciated. Or even better share your ones!

Sincerely,

Frantisek

PS Parts are in Spanish

 
Aprender Linux  pwd ls		s; sh; l (long format); -a (see all the files); t cd		/: 
cd cp		-r; -i mv rm		-r rmdir mkdir df		-h free		-m top		(exit ? q) uname		-a 
lsb_release	-a ifconfig date cal man		intro; -k; -f; (command name) less		SPACE; 
b; G; 1G: /characters; n; q mount		 ln		make links between files sort ls -l | 
less ls -lt | head du | sort - nr find . - type f -print | wc -l apt-get xload & 
bg		put the program to the background (after CTR Z) fg jobs ps kill set		show 
the environment type .bashrc fdisk		 cfdisk nslookup archive.ubuntu.com df -h du 
-ch | grep total   [show size of the files/directories in the current directory] 
du -sh  [list the size of the directory=summa] zip optiones archive impattern 
inpattern ... (zip -r temporary.zip /temporary) unzip archive (unzip 
temporary.zip -d blast/) [unzip to specified directory] less /proc/meminfo  
[list detailed info of memory] less /proc/cpuinfo [list detailed info of cpu] 
less /proc/version  [list version of operating system] evince  [open pdf file] 
(evince filename.pdf) /sbin/ifconfig   [network detials] ifconfig  [network 
details] split   [split file]    split -b 100m peliculas/example.avi example 
[results in creation of exampleaa, exampleab etc.] cut   [join the file]   cut 
examplea* > example.avi [joins all files named for example exampleaa exampleab 
etc. to example.avi]  sudo apt-get install samba samba-tools system-config-samba 
smbfs sudo smbpasswd -a username [replacing username with your login username] 
sudo vim /etc/samba/smb.conf [add the directories to be added right at the end 
in the fallowing format] [Pictures] path = /home/username/<folder_to_be_shared> 
[replace username with your username and <folder_to_be_shared> with the folder 
you want to share] sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart [restarting samba] [On Linux 
type the falowing in web browser] \\192.168.x.x [replace 192.168.x.x with the 
actual IP address of your server which is serving the folder]  apt-get install 
ubuntu-restricted-extras [para installar adobe flash etc.]  [skype installation 
with updates] echo "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable 
non-free #Skype" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list > /dev/null sudo apt-key 
adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0xd66b746e sudo aptitude update && sudo 
aptitude install skype    skype install for 10.04 wget 
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-64 sudo apt-get install 
libqt4-dbus libqt4-network libqt4-xml libasound2 sudo dpkg -i 
skype-XXXXXXXXXXXX.deb #if you still get some dependency error then just type 
the command below sudo apt-get -f install    back up folder synchronization - 
ensuring that two different folders at two locations hold the same data creating 
an archive - mainly used for long-term storage, primarily of configuration files 
and documents rsync -     samba share smbclient -L //hostname #[smbclient -L 
//tinyy] smbclient //server/sharename #[smbclient //tinyy/peliculas] get # 
download single file msget # download multiple files put # put files on server 
mput # put multiple files on server    permanent mount - linux and ntfs 
partitions # edit fstab file sudo vim /etc/fstab # edit the list of partitions 
adding the desired partition for linux /dev/sdb6 /mnt/tartaros_data ext4 
users,noatime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid 0 0 # edit the list of partitions adding 
the desired partition for windows ntfs /dev/sdb6 /mnt/tartaros_data ntfs 
defaults 0 0  usb file system format/rename  sudo mkfs.vfat -n 'label' -l 
/dev/sda #sudo mkfs.vfat -n 'bananafanana' -l /dev/sdb1 sudo e2label /dev/sda 
<device> #sudo e2label /dev/sdb1 bananafanana    Particioning  primary partition 
- max 4 on one harddrive extended partition - max 1 on one harddrive and can not 
be formated with filesystem, such as ext3, FAT etc. Partition created within 
extended partition is called a Logical partition. ext3 filesystem for linux NTFS 
filesystem for windows master boot record (MBR) - when determinating which 
partition is root and which home, chenk menuy on ext3 file systems in partition 
manager       Mover el cursor  CTRL +  p; n; a; e; b;k; u; w; TAB   command name 
interface working directory absolute pathname relative pathname option arguments 
case sensitive	big and small letters metter symbolic link wild cards	*;  
input/output redirection standard output standard input   pipes shell builtins 
environment aliases			type of command in environment shell functions		type of 
command in environment  .		working directory ..		working directory's parent 
directory -		normal file (ls command) d		directory    comand option argument 
physical track positioning ? taking an advantage of inner, middle and outer 
tracks of har drive and files saved in these different locations    Command 
syntax  command [flags] argument1 argument2  - hyphen  correcting typos ctrl + 
w; ctrl +U abort process			ctrl + c suspends current program	ctrl + z discard 
output 		ctrl + o resume to display		ctrl + q 				ctrl + s quite linux 
session		ctrl + d apropos	or	man -k rlogin passwd cat alias		(alias l='ls -l') 
unalias gzip df			-h diff du			-s echo finger ftp get mget put mput grep history 
look mail script source spell tar telnet pam_umask who sed units  lshw  arp 
wodim mkisofs gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf	"change keyboard options" 
/usr/bin/firefox	starting moxilla from terminal 
/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 
/path/to/iso/file.iso /path/were/to/save/it  bisness card creator - open source 
sudo aptitude install glabels  Basic local network setup on ubuntu machine 
(10.04)  convention range of IP addresses dedicated to the machines on the 
network: 3-10 printers 11-49 administrator 50-99 student computers 200-248 ??  
DHCP server claims probably between 100-149  Manual configuration of the IP 
addresses of the computers  type the ifconfig command for the information about 
your network interfaces ifconfig  configure your IP address to value 50->  sudo 
ifconfig eth 192.168.1.50  check that IP was chenged by repeating the ifconfig 
command ifconfig  if IP changed, connect the computer to the router by RG44 
jack/Ethernet cable  ping the router, IP probably 192.168.1.1 ping 192.168.1.1   
cancel the process by control + c and continue further if the connection is 
established  set up the IP on second computer: sudo ifconfig etc 192.168.1.51  
check the change by ifconfig and ping the router  ping the first computer from 
the second computer (192.168.1.51) ping 192.168.1.50  connect the printer 
through the graphical interface to the one of the printers and set it up as a 
printing server.   Next week I hope to the the command line options on 
connecting the printers and sharing the printer from several computers. 


      
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From algoldor at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 28 23:34:31 2010
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:34:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] wrong format of previous post,
	here is the txt file for edit
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Here is the txt file so it has editable structure.

See you,

Frantisek



      
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From algoldor at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 29 22:22:51 2010
From: algoldor at yahoo.com (Frantisek Apfelbeck)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] shared printer/various operation systems ==> printing
	- todays afternoon at Noisebridge
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Hi Brian,
Thanks for the post. We are going to work on it again next Tuesday. I'm doing a 
cooking class at Noisebridge from 5 pm so it would be great to start at least 2 
hours before or after the member meeting around 9 pm. We can also work on it 
another time, I'm really interested in it but my knowledge is rather limited, 
that is also the reason why I work on it during the linux group meetings. Let me 
know when you can come, I should be around on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Talk to you soon,

Sincerely,

Frantisek




----- Original Message ----
From: Brian Morris <cymraegish at gmail.com>
To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 7:35:27 PM
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] shared printer/various operation systems ==> printing - 
todays afternoon at Noisebridge

gee rather short notice don't you think ?
did you get it or are you going to try again ? I am in the
neighborhood afternoons but I am not to email until around this time.
However you can call me at 415 637 9340, preferably the night before.

Brian

ps I don have an Windows computer but I do have macs both os9 and osX
and g3 and intel laptops (g3 with ubuntu10 and intel have media but
not installed).


On 9/28/10, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi to All! I've done this up to now:  1. I've cleaned the table, I know, you
> would not believe it. 2. I've put on the table      Dell Inspiron 8200, with
> 1
> GB of RAM, operation system - UBUNTU 10.04     Apple Computer 63 366 Mhz,
> 192 of
> RAM, 6 GB hard drive, operation system - OS 9.22      HP PSC 2210 all in one
> printer ? functional (USB port, no ethernet)     Broadband Router Wireless-G
> 2.4
> GHz, 54 Mbps (Linksys)         extension power cord with multiple sockets
> 3.
> I'll be around in the afternoon dedicating 2 hours of my time to make these
> computers to communicate with the printer and print. 4. Can you come and
> help
> me? 5. Can you get third computer with windows so we have the ?dark one?
> there
> too?  See you soon,  Frantisek
>
>
>
>
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From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Sep 30 16:03:43 2010
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:03:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday! SF-LUG Meeting! Sunday!
Message-ID: <sig.0889511b0d.4CA5174F.7050507@sfo.com>


     Yes! Sunday!
     Cafe Enchante 26th Avenue and Geary Boulevard
     From 11 AM to 1 PM (nominally)
     Sunday October 3, 2010

     SF-LUG meets again on the first Sunday of the Month!

     Jim Stockford will be in attendance to distribute
books remaining from the Previous meeting.
     Likely he will bring SF-LUG bookmarks to pass out
to people fed up with Windows and looking for a way
out of the Microsoft infection.
     Bobbi Sellers will show up with the latest Linux Pro
Magazine with a late version of Suse(Install only) and
Mint 9 (Live with KDE).

     If we are lucky other interesting people will show up.

     Sunday!


     later
     bliss