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From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Apr  3 23:43:40 2009
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:43:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] TODAY April 4 -Global Linux Voice Meeting BerkeleyTIP
	-Linus, Guido, Shuttleworth...
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Join with the friendly, productive, Global Linux community,
in the _TWICE_ monthly, Voice over internet meeting,
  BerkeleyTIP-Global.   GNU(Linux) & BSD, Free SW, HW & FreeCulture,
  Talks Installfest Project/ProgrammingParty
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/

NEW- _TWO_ monthly day long meetings- 10AM-6PM Pacific (GMT -8H) time,
  = 1P - 9P Eastern  =  6PM - 2AM (Sat to Sunday) GMT
  Join in as short or long as you like.
 1st Saturday - April  4    *****  TODAY  *****
 3rd Sunday   - April 20


=====  LOCATION - ONLINE, IN YOUR AREA, OR AT U. California Berkeley
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/directions


===== NEW VIDEOS:
Linux Torvalds    - GIT
Mark Shuttleworth - Debian & Ubuntu - Debian & Derived Distros
Krafft Shuttleworth Levsen - Debian Derivers Roundtable
Fabricio Cannini  - Debian High Performance clusters and supercomputers
Guido Van Rossum  - Python 3000
BestTech LAMPR    - Get Started with Ruby on Rails in < 5 minutes
Culture - Professor Wikipedia - The funniest video of the year.
  [Citation needed.]

[Thanks to all the speakers, videographers, & organizations.  :)
Please excuse if I mistyped names.  <8-0
I hereby invite the speakers to attend BTIP for Q&A & discussion.
Please notify the speakers if you know how to contact them, thanks. :) ]

Download the videos & watch them before or during the meeting.
Join online during the relevant topic hour to discuss each video.
[See below for longer talk descriptions.]
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos


=====  YOU GIVE A 5 MINUTE LIGHTNING TALK
4 PM.  Let us know in advance what you'd like to talk about. :)


===== NEW MEETING COMPONENTS
FREE CULTURE - Wikipedia, Creative Commons, etc

COLLEGE MAJORS
  Business, Medicine, Law, Engineering,
  Art/Lit/Science/Social/Psych/Humanities/LiberalArts, etc

SOFTWARE: Games


===== SCHEDULE / AGENDA 10AM - 6PM Pacific time (= GMT - 8 Hours)
TIME    TOPIC / ACTIVITY
10 A    Set up.  Get on IRC & VOIP
11 A    Installfest; Ekiga3
12 N    Asterisk, OLPC, Games;
        PROGRAMMING PARTY: VOIP Conference client & server
1 P     Xen, Virtualbox; LAMPR - Database; Law
2 P     KDE & GNOME; Macintosh; FreeCulture: Wikipedia,CreativeCommons
3 P     Debian; BSD; College & University groups; Business
4 P     LIGHTNING TALKS;
        Hardware- Ex: OpenMoko Phone; Medicine
5 P     Art/Literature/Music; Python; INetWebDev; 
        Local simultaneous meetings arrangements for next meeting


===== Voice/VOIP CONFERENCE MEETING TECHNOLOGY
Join in on IRC, & we'll help you get on VOIP.  :)

IRC: #BerkeleyTIP, irc.freenode.net
Hardware: VOIP Headset- (USB recommended for echo cancellation?)
Software: Ekiga(GnomeMeeting) recommended. SIP
VOIP server: Ekiga.net
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance


===== LOCATION GROWTH:   GREAT PROGRESS
In March we QUADRUPLED our international attendance. :) Welcome :)
  GLOBAL: Germany, England, Iran, India
  US: So far: Hawaii, California, Washington, Michigan, Virgina,
  NCarolina
When will your state or country 1st join in???


=====  PROJECT / PROGRAMMING PARTY
Work on your own project, or the group project.

Share details of your project on IRC, VOIP & the mailing list.  Invite
others to join in your project.

Or, work on the group project - Learning about & Improving Ekiga,
Asterisk, & our VOIP conference system/technology.


=====  Join the Global BerkeleyTIP mailing list
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  THANKS, HOPE YOU JOIN;  FOR FORWARDING
I hope you join in the meeting.  :)

Join by yourself, or invite  your friends over & have a party.  Have a
party at your home, or at a local to you location - a WiFi cafe, or at a
college or university is a great place for a meeting.  :)

You are invited to forward this message wherever appropriate - Ex:
perhaps your local meeting group (LUG, etc), or whatever, if you see
this on a global mailing list.



=======================================================================
===== VIDEOS - MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS:
3 from DebConf08:
1) Fabricio Cannini - Debian High Performance clusters and
supercomputers, 1hr

2) Mark Shuttleworth on Debian and Ubuntu - Keynote current state of
collaboration between Debian and Ubuntu, progress made, and new
opportunities for collaboration and development.

3) Debian Derivers Roundtable discussion - prominent developers of
Debian-derived works, including Martin (Debian Edu). 1hr

Linus Torvalds on Git - Git is a rewrite from scratch concurrent
versioning system that Linus wrote to replace cvs, subversion (svn) and
other versioning systems used in large collaborative software
development. Benefits, drawbacks and insufficiencies of other versioning
systems in common use.  Google Tech Talks

Guido Van Rossum, Python 3000, Google, 1h 25m

Topic LAMPR: Get Started with Ruby on Rails in less than five minutes -
BestTech

Free Culture - Professor Wikipedia - CollegeHumor -
A short but interesting take on Wikipedia, and the side effect of anyone
being able to edit the content. Listen as Professor Wikipedia alters his
lecture presumably because people are "changing" his lecture behind the
scenes.  The funniest video of the year. [Citation needed.] 02:55 


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From jim at well.com  Sat Apr  4 09:42:12 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:42:12 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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joy, 
   i don't have novell's SUSE. i'm taking a chance 
and forwarding your email to the list, hoping that 
someone does have a copy. 
   to someone who has a copy and is willing to share: 
if you don't come to this sunday's meeting, and if 
you're not too far from geary and 26 (i.e. not in 
bayview), there may be someone who can come pick it 
up (and return it if need be). 



On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 21:08 -0500, jcs at techie.com wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> Can someone bring Norvell's Linux distribution and install it for me
> on Sunday?    In the past, I've installed a dual booth -- Linux and
> Windows. The only Linux brand that works with my Windows is from
> Norvell--somehow, the other distributions "die" after a few weeks.  
>  
> My Windows have that last nasty virus--the taskbar disappeared!   Can
> you bring a virus scan?
>  
> I have an old Dell X200 laptop.  The internal CD ROM on the
> Dell laptop does not work efficiently (lost bits), so I need an
> external drive for uninterrupted installation.
>  
> Also, I understand there is a CD Rom with Linux that is directly
> bootable from the ROM drive.  Do you have an extra CD of this version?
>  
> Many thanks,
>  
> Joy
>  
>  
> 
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 12:18:36 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:18:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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	 <1238863332.6559.54.camel@jim-laptop>
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Hi Joy,

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:42 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
> joy,
>   i don't have novell's SUSE. i'm taking a chance
> and forwarding your email to the list, hoping that
> someone does have a copy.


I am going to forward your request to a friend of mine who is a huge suse
guru.  I'll see if he can contact you either directly or on this list about
getting a copy of suse linux to you.


>
>   to someone who has a copy and is willing to share:
> if you don't come to this sunday's meeting, and if
> you're not too far from geary and 26 (i.e. not in
> bayview), there may be someone who can come pick it
> up (and return it if need be).
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 21:08 -0500, jcs at techie.com wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can someone bring Norvell's Linux distribution and install it for me
> > on Sunday?    In the past, I've installed a dual booth -- Linux and
> > Windows. The only Linux brand that works with my Windows is from
> > Norvell--somehow, the other distributions "die" after a few weeks.
> >
> > My Windows have that last nasty virus--the taskbar disappeared!   Can
> > you bring a virus scan?
> >
> > I have an old Dell X200 laptop.  The internal CD ROM on the
> > Dell laptop does not work efficiently (lost bits), so I need an
> > external drive for uninterrupted installation.
> >
> > Also, I understand there is a CD Rom with Linux that is directly
> > bootable from the ROM drive.  Do you have an extra CD of this version?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Joy
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Be Yourself @ mail.com!
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> > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com!
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From embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 19:52:54 2009
From: embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com (Jesse Zbikowski)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:52:54 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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For what it's worth, "Novell's SuSE" can also refer to openSuSE, which
you can download yourself for free.  They do have a bootable CD.  I
used it on an AOpen Mini PC that nothing else seemed to work on, and I
was very happy with it.



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Sun Apr  5 22:52:48 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:52:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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	 <1238863332.6559.54.camel@jim-laptop>
	 <683785120904051952q69cdc2ebme4e3fa3bf094d522@mail.gmail.com>
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Quoting Jesse Zbikowski (embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com):

> For what it's worth, "Novell's SuSE" can also refer to openSuSE, which
> you can download yourself for free.  They do have a bootable CD.  I
> used it on an AOpen Mini PC that nothing else seemed to work on, and I
> was very happy with it.

CABAL has OpenSUSE 11.1 (both i686 and x86_64) in its DVD and CD
collection, and they're available to duplicate for anyone attending
meetings.  See:  http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros

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From bliss at sfo.com  Mon Apr  6 09:03:35 2009
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:03:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Jesse Zbikowski (embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com):
>
>   
>> For what it's worth, "Novell's SuSE" can also refer to openSuSE, which
>> you can download yourself for free.  They do have a bootable CD.  I
>> used it on an AOpen Mini PC that nothing else seemed to work on, and I
>> was very happy with it.
>>     
>
> CABAL has OpenSUSE 11.1 (both i686 and x86_64) in its DVD and CD
> collection, and they're available to duplicate for anyone attending
> meetings.  See:  http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros
>
>   
    We tried a Linux Promagazine DVD with SuSE  11.1 yesterday and it
came up with remarks
about digital signatures and quit, though I found it quite aggressive
trying to start up installation
under Windows XP.  We did get the XP side working though badlly of course.

    later
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr  6 09:58:46 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:58:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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	 <20090406055247.GC7596@linuxmafia.com> <49DA27D7.1080203@sfo.com>
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Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):

> We tried a Linux Pro Magazine DVD with SuSE  11.1 yesterday and it came
> up with remarks about digital signatures and quit, though I found it
> quite aggressive trying to start up installation under Windows XP.

Well, optical media provided with magazines and books have a pretty high
defect rate.  (Also, beware of obsolete versions and non-standard
contents, though I gather you didn't have those problems, this time.)

My discs are in general pretty reliable.  Nothing's perfect, of course:
I had a few *buntu beta CDRs, recently, that I foolishly stacked before the
Sharpie ink dried, so they weren't 100% readable and had to be reburned.
Also, you never know when someone will show up with a CD drive that
won't read certain CDRs or DVD-RW/DVD+RW media.  

Starting up installation under Windows XP, you say?  How odd.  That
would not be my choice of method.  I would want to use the standard
(non-live-CD) installer disc for whatever my CPU platform is.

FYI, "Linux Pro Magazine" is the US/Canada name for Linux New Media AG's
"Linux Magazine" in Europe.  That's to avoid name conflict with
InfoStrada's "Linux Magazine", which was already called that in the
Americas.



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From bliss at sfo.com  Mon Apr  6 10:53:43 2009
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:53:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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	 <1238863332.6559.54.camel@jim-laptop>
	 <683785120904051952q69cdc2ebme4e3fa3bf094d522@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20090406055247.GC7596@linuxmafia.com> <49DA27D7.1080203@sfo.com>
	 <20090406165846.GB16678@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <49DA41A7.7070202@sfo.com>

Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):
>
>   
>> We tried a Linux Pro Magazine DVD with SuSE  11.1 yesterday and it came
>> up with remarks about digital signatures and quit, though I found it
>> quite aggressive trying to start up installation under Windows XP.
>>     
>
> Well, optical media provided with magazines and books have a pretty high
> defect rate.  (Also, beware of obsolete versions and non-standard
> contents, though I gather you didn't have those problems, this time.)
>
> My discs are in general pretty reliable.  Nothing's perfect, of course:
> I had a few *buntu beta CDRs, recently, that I foolishly stacked before the
> Sharpie ink dried, so they weren't 100% readable and had to be reburned.
> Also, you never know when someone will show up with a CD drive that
> won't read certain CDRs or DVD-RW/DVD+RW media.  
>
> Starting up installation under Windows XP, you say?  How odd.  That
> would not be my choice of method.  I would want to use the standard
> (non-live-CD) installer disc for whatever my CPU platform is.
>   

    Well it seems she had it set to auto-play and I shut it down asap 
but it was a pain to do it before rebooting,

    We left her with another Linux user better informed than myself.
    Someone had started a Ubunto install then left it less than done.
Found most of her stuff with Knoppix but by that tiime I was exhausted
and willing to accept Jim's offer of a ride home.
    Mandriva had problems with the ide interface and I got hung up
on choosing which interface should be selected from a list of every
device driver available when we tried to install that.

    Seems to be a very nice little computer wiith the Optical drive 
and some other parts in the port expansion base.  Lifting it off the 
X200 Dell docking base you are left with the main machine about the 
size of a modern netbook  computer.  Too bad it is so hard to 
configure under Linux.
    Also too bad that someone swiped the Optical dish she had which
had the install for the Novell SuSe Linux.

    I spent the larger part of the meeting trying to get a driver for 
my Farallon EtherMac PC card but no joy there.  May just go buy a 
modern card with the drivers.  The driver diskette I have for the 
Farallon card as well as all the drivers I have managed to download 
are problematic as Windows Install says the .inf files are in an 
unexpected format.

> FYI, "Linux Pro Magazine" is the US/Canada name for Linux New Media AG's
> "Linux Magazine" in Europe.  That's to avoid name conflict with
> InfoStrada's "Linux Magazine", which was already called that in the
> Americas.
>
>   
    Very interesting.

    later
    Bobbie


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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr  6 11:12:06 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:12:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):

> Also too bad that someone swiped the Optical dish she had which
> had the install for the Novell SuSe Linux.

I'm still unclear on whether this term refers to SUSE Linux Enterprise
Desktop, SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, or OpenSUSE.

> I spent the larger part of the meeting trying to get a driver for my
> Farallon EtherMac PC card but no joy there.  May just go buy a modern
> card with the drivers. 

Yeah, no kidding.  That PCMCIA card (the "Farallon EtherMac PC Card 595a")
is kinda ancient -- like, 1990s.  I'm guessing it's very likely a 16-bit
card and limited to 10 kbps.

There _is_ a working driver.  It's called "ep".  See:
http://hardy-manpages.uid0.hu/hardy-manpages/1356/ep.html

> The driver diskette I have for the Farallon card as well as all the
> drivers I have managed to download are problematic as Windows Install
> says the .inf files are in an unexpected format.

Sorry, but you should not normally expect to get Linux drivers, or even
useful information about them, from hardware manufacturers' discs.  Even
when you do, they tend to be really bad compared to community-maintained
drivers.


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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr  6 11:23:36 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:23:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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Quoting Rick Moen (rick at linuxmafia.com):

> There _is_ a working driver.  It's called "ep".  See:
> http://hardy-manpages.uid0.hu/hardy-manpages/1356/ep.html

Sorry, for some reason the FreeBSD manpage for "ep" was on a Web site in
a tree of Linux manpages.  So, correction:  You should try the 3c589_cs
or smc91c92_cs drivers.  It's probably one of those two (more likely the
former than the latter).
http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Hardware-HOWTO/pcmcia.html

See also comment at:
http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/doc/PCMCIA-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.3


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From bliss at sfo.com  Mon Apr  6 12:38:54 2009
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:38:54 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):
>
>   
>> Also too bad that someone swiped the Optical dish she had which
>> had the install for the Novell SuSe Linux.
>>     
>
> I'm still unclear on whether this term refers to SUSE Linux Enterprise
> Desktop, SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, or OpenSUSE.
>   
    Neither am I but that is the description she gives.  She has used it 
for a long
time apparently.
>   
>> I spent the larger part of the meeting trying to get a driver for my
>> Farallon EtherMac PC card but no joy there.  May just go buy a modern
>> card with the drivers. 
>>     
>
> Yeah, no kidding.  That PCMCIA card (the "Farallon EtherMac PC Card 595a")
> is kinda ancient -- like, 1990s.  I'm guessing it's very likely a 16-bit
> card and limited to 10 kbps.
>   

    Well I only use it with bottom tier DSL and usually have download 
speeds of 76-108 Kbs
> There _is_ a working driver.  It's called "ep".  See:
> http://hardy-manpages.uid0.hu/hardy-manpages/1356/ep.html
>
>   
>> The driver diskette I have for the Farallon card as well as all the
>> drivers I have managed to download are problematic as *_Windows Install_*
>> says the .inf files are in an unexpected format.
>>     
>
> Sorry, but you should not normally expect to get Linux drivers, or even
> useful information about them, from hardware manufacturers' discs.  Even
> when you do, they tend to be really bad compared to community-maintained
> drivers.
>   
    Sorry for the confusion but I am not looking for the Linux drivers.  
Mandriva
found the card on its initial install.  I am looking for the drivers for 
the other os
the one from those people in Redmond, as you might guess from the mention
above.  I had intended to try same thing the day before at the local hot 
spot
but time ran out rather quickly with a lot of cooking to do so that I 
could eat.
So I have the D-Link Air Card which works under either OS with little 
prompting
from me to get online.

    later
    bliss
 

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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr  6 12:41:36 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:41:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):

> Sorry for the confusion but I am not looking for the Linux drivers.
> Mandriva found the card on its initial install.  I am looking for the
> drivers for the other os the one from those people in Redmond, as you
> might guess from the mention above.

Aha.  Well, you might want to telephone that Redmond company and ask for
assistance.  I understand they're very helpful.


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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr  6 09:20:52 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:20:52 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] linux
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Hi.  I'm assuming that Joy went offlist into private mail accidentally,
and so am moving back on-list.

Quoting jcs at techie.com (jcs at techie.com):

> Thanks Rick, I checked it out...but encountered some issues:  1) the
> page has moved; it's blank with only a note from norvell; so I went to
> another download page.

Um, you might have misunderstood what I wrote.  I wasn't suggesting you
download OpenSUSE.

I was saying that CABAL has physical media of OpenSUSE 11.1 that any
attendee of a CABAL meeting is welcome to duplicate during the meeting.
The page I sent you to has a catalogue of all the Linux and BSD distros
in CABAL's collection.

Yes, the _OpenSUSE_ download page has moved, I notice, to
http://software.opensuse.org/ .  Companies do that.

> 2) my IE cannot support more than 4 gigs download, so I'll have to
> clean up space to install another browser....

Well, you don't need someothing as big as a _browser_.  You can just use
something tiny like GNU wget.  Since you're talking about MSIE, I assume
you must be on MS-Windows, so: http://users.ugent.be/~bpuype/wget/

I'm a little unclear on how you can download a 4.3 GB DVD image if
you're worried about having enough room for a Web browser, but here's
the directory containing all the OpenSUSE 11.1 downloads for all three
CPU platforms (i586, x86_64, and PowerPC):
 
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/

Here's the main disc for i586 (4.2 GB):
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-i586.iso

Here's the main disc for x86_64 AKA AMD64 (4.3 GB):
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-DVD-x86_64.iso

Here's the non-open source add-ons disc (RealPlayer, Adobe Flash, and
all that junk) for both i586 and x86_64 (698 MB, CDR-sized)
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-Addon-NonOss-BiArch-i586-x86_64.iso


> 3) I need to buy DVDs; right now, I have only CD's.  

Well, recordable media are cheap.

But, anyway, if you ever want to save yourself a whole lot of download
time (and HD storage issues), you can come down the Peninsula to a CABAL
meeting and duplicate anything in our collection.  Of course, that is
often not convenient for people, but the offer's open.  (CABAL meets
twice monthly in Menlo Park:  http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/ .)

-- 
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From jim at well.com  Sat Apr  4 09:44:03 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:44:03 -0800
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug meeting this sunday 11 to 1 at cafe euro
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   sf-lug meets at the cafe euro on geary at 
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From larry.cafiero at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 10:01:29 2009
From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:01:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug meeting this sunday 11 to 1 at cafe euro
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Hi, Jim --
Hey, I was at the Ubuntu California LoCo site -- I was pointing a guy from
Santa Rosa there -- and I noticed that on the meeting roster it has SFLUG
meeting on Mondays. You may want to check that.

I wish I could make it, but I'm at the paper Sunday.

Also, fyi (going into summer), we'll probably do Lindependence II (this
time, it's personal) in Felton, and there will be one in August or September
in Portales, NM.

Talk to you soon.

Larry

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:44 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>   sf-lug meets at the cafe euro on geary at
> 26th avenue in san francisco from 11 AM to
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From jackofnotrades at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 10:14:07 2009
From: jackofnotrades at gmail.com (Jeff Bragg)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:14:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug meeting this sunday 11 to 1 at cafe euro
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Cafe Euro now seems to be Cafe Enchante.  I have no idea if this entails any
ownership change, but it's been that way for at least a week.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:44 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>   sf-lug meets at the cafe euro on geary at
> 26th avenue in san francisco from 11 AM to
> 1 PM (or so). bring your laptops and questions
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From a10cuba at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  4 15:15:08 2009
From: a10cuba at hotmail.com (terry sanford)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:15:08 +0000
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1 : any one need some parts
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From stvn_consult at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  5 10:34:02 2009
From: stvn_consult at yahoo.com (Steven Friese)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:34:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] All-in-One-Printer Recommendation
Message-ID: <295636.12410.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


My mother is somewhat reluctantly using Ubuntu 8.04 and needs to replace her current printer.  She is looking for an all-in-one system and is threatening to return to Some_Other_OS unless she can find one that works (mostly) perfectly with Ubuntu.

I checked the Ubuntu forums for the printers we saw at the store and only the Epson Artisan 700 and 800 seem to have support, although there seemed to be scanner issues.  

Can anyone recommend a current all-in-one that works with Ubuntu 8.04 along with as much instruction as possible to get it working?

BTW: she doesn't want an older printer, but something she can purchase immediately at Staples, Fry's, or some other retail store.

Thanks,


      

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From kevinjsmith+lug at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 11:10:55 2009
From: kevinjsmith+lug at gmail.com (Kevin J. Smith)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:10:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd:  All-in-One-Printer Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <cd35dd0a0904051110u6c9ec47ej53c590cd47d6681f@mail.gmail.com>
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I've read that some of the Canon Pixma series All-In-Ones work OK now that
Canon decided to sort of open up their drivers.

This blog has some more info/HOWTOs on the Canon Pixma series Linux support
-  http://mp610.blogspot.com/

I just picked up a Canon Pixma MX310 AIO (refurbs were going for $35 on
Newegg when I ordered)




On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Steven Friese <stvn_consult at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> My mother is somewhat reluctantly using Ubuntu 8.04 and needs to replace
> her current printer.  She is looking for an all-in-one system and is
> threatening to return to Some_Other_OS unless she can find one that works
> (mostly) perfectly with Ubuntu.
>
> I checked the Ubuntu forums for the printers we saw at the store and only
> the Epson Artisan 700 and 800 seem to have support, although there seemed to
> be scanner issues.
>
> Can anyone recommend a current all-in-one that works with Ubuntu 8.04 along
> with as much instruction as possible to get it working?
>
> BTW: she doesn't want an older printer, but something she can purchase
> immediately at Staples, Fry's, or some other retail store.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
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From nbs at sonic.net  Sun Apr  5 12:00:17 2009
From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 12:00:17 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd:  All-in-One-Printer Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <cd35dd0a0904051110v41993e31h3d9946d9f575676b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <295636.12410.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <20090405190017.GF6795@sonic.net>

On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 11:10:55AM -0700, Kevin J. Smith wrote:
>    I've read that some of the Canon Pixma series All-In-Ones work OK now that
>    Canon decided to sort of open up their drivers.

Oh, wow!  My dad got one when he bought a computer, and had no need for it.
I've not even hooked it up to any of the Linux boxes here... I just print
directly from my Canon digital camera.

(And if there's a picture I want to print that's not on the camera -- say,
the NCC-1701 enterprise for my toddler to enjoy -- I can just drop it on my
SD card, give it an appropriately-Canon-camera-like name, and print it.)

I'll (eventually) need to look into connecting it directly.  It's got
a scanner, which we currently lack in this household (once desktops
& giant PCI SCSI cards went out of fashion).

-bill!

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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 11:14:23 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:14:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] All-in-One-Printer Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <295636.12410.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <295636.12410.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4b5781040904051114v5a615133g956d425eab323ffe@mail.gmail.com>

hi

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Steven Friese <stvn_consult at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> My mother is somewhat reluctantly using Ubuntu 8.04 and needs to replace
> her current printer.


I recently purchased a cheap little HP all-in-one and used it easily with
8.04.  HP has a little applet that does set up and everything.  I can post
model details later today.

>
> BTW: she doesn't want an older printer, but something she can purchase
> immediately at Staples,


I bought my HP all-in-one at California and Battery.
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From darose at darose.net  Mon Apr  6 08:49:57 2009
From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:49:57 -0400
Subject: [sf-lug] All-in-One-Printer Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <295636.12410.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <295636.12410.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49DA24A5.9050709@darose.net>

Steven Friese wrote:
> My mother is somewhat reluctantly using Ubuntu 8.04 and needs to
> replace her current printer.  She is looking for an all-in-one system
> and is threatening to return to Some_Other_OS unless she can find one
> that works (mostly) perfectly with Ubuntu.
> 
> I checked the Ubuntu forums for the printers we saw at the store and
> only the Epson Artisan 700 and 800 seem to have support, although
> there seemed to be scanner issues.
> 
> Can anyone recommend a current all-in-one that works with Ubuntu 8.04
> along with as much instruction as possible to get it working?
> 
> BTW: she doesn't want an older printer, but something she can
> purchase immediately at Staples, Fry's, or some other retail store.
> 
> Thanks,

Brother printers have good Linux support - directly from the 
manufacturer.  (The company has a web site that provides drivers and 
software for just about all their models.)

We use the Brother mfc885cw allinone here at work, but I haven't yet 
been able to get it to work with my linux setup.  That said, my distro, 
Arch Linux, doesn't have a package for the software, so I'm trying to 
build/package it myself - and probably making some mistake somewhere.
Maybe try seeing if Ubuntu has a package for that model.

HTH,

DR

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From sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com  Sun Apr  5 11:47:23 2009
From: sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com (sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:47:23 -0700
Subject: sf-lug post from disinclinev@rocketscientistsonline.com requires
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From jim at jimcortez.com  Sun Apr  5 20:19:28 2009
From: jim at jimcortez.com (Jim Cortez)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:19:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Outdoor Computing
Message-ID: <49D974C0.9080904@jimcortez.com>

While enjoying the incredible weather at Baker beach today, I found 
myself wanting to get some work done outside, in bright bright sunlight. 
So here are some brief requirements for a machine that I want to build:

    * need to hook up to a battery of some kind
    * want about 5 hours of usability
    * need to see the screen in bright sunlight
    * need it to be semi-portable (meaning I can carry it to the beach)
    * needs to be sand proof
    * run Linux (Ubuntu or some derivative preferred)
    * have a budget of $600 (can probably machine things like a case if
      needed)

The main thing is the monitor and usability. I figure the use of an 
intel atom board would be efficient enough. I know the OLPC has an LCD 
that can switch to grayscale and is visible in bright sunlight, anyone 
know if anyone makes a larger version of this screen? Most of the time I 
will just be coding, so video and full color display is not really 
necessary. Looking for at least a 15' screen.

Keyboard and mouse can be wired for power-conservation, but I prefer a 
full keyboard for coding.

Does anyone have experience coming up with external power sources? Any tips?

At some point I might break down and get a 3g pc card, but in the 
meantime I can make due with caching any data I would need beforehand. I 
think the atom boards have built in wifi.

Any suggestions or commentary?

Thanks,
Jim Cortez

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From jim at well.com  Mon Apr  6 07:02:25 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 07:02:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Outdoor Computing
In-Reply-To: <49D974C0.9080904@jimcortez.com>
References: <49D974C0.9080904@jimcortez.com>
Message-ID: <1239026545.2328.6.camel@jim-laptop>


   depending on what you want to do, the XO box 
may work for you (the little green One Laptop 
Per Child product). 


On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 20:19 -0700, Jim Cortez wrote:
> While enjoying the incredible weather at Baker beach today, I found 
> myself wanting to get some work done outside, in bright bright sunlight. 
> So here are some brief requirements for a machine that I want to build:
> 
>     * need to hook up to a battery of some kind
>     * want about 5 hours of usability
>     * need to see the screen in bright sunlight
>     * need it to be semi-portable (meaning I can carry it to the beach)
>     * needs to be sand proof
>     * run Linux (Ubuntu or some derivative preferred)
>     * have a budget of $600 (can probably machine things like a case if
>       needed)
> 
> The main thing is the monitor and usability. I figure the use of an 
> intel atom board would be efficient enough. I know the OLPC has an LCD 
> that can switch to grayscale and is visible in bright sunlight, anyone 
> know if anyone makes a larger version of this screen? Most of the time I 
> will just be coding, so video and full color display is not really 
> necessary. Looking for at least a 15' screen.
> 
> Keyboard and mouse can be wired for power-conservation, but I prefer a 
> full keyboard for coding.
> 
> Does anyone have experience coming up with external power sources? Any tips?
> 
> At some point I might break down and get a 3g pc card, but in the 
> meantime I can make due with caching any data I would need beforehand. I 
> think the atom boards have built in wifi.
> 
> Any suggestions or commentary?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim Cortez
> 
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From jim at jimcortez.com  Mon Apr  6 09:42:18 2009
From: jim at jimcortez.com (Jim Cortez)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:42:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Outdoor Computing
In-Reply-To: <1239026545.2328.6.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <49D974C0.9080904@jimcortez.com>
	 <1239026545.2328.6.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <49DA30EA.6040203@jimcortez.com>

I have played with one, but I think the keyboard and monitor are too small.
Thanks,
Jim

jim wrote:
>    depending on what you want to do, the XO box 
> may work for you (the little green One Laptop 
> Per Child product). 
>
>
> On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 20:19 -0700, Jim Cortez wrote:
>   
>> While enjoying the incredible weather at Baker beach today, I found 
>> myself wanting to get some work done outside, in bright bright sunlight. 
>> So here are some brief requirements for a machine that I want to build:
>>
>>     * need to hook up to a battery of some kind
>>     * want about 5 hours of usability
>>     * need to see the screen in bright sunlight
>>     * need it to be semi-portable (meaning I can carry it to the beach)
>>     * needs to be sand proof
>>     * run Linux (Ubuntu or some derivative preferred)
>>     * have a budget of $600 (can probably machine things like a case if
>>       needed)
>>
>> The main thing is the monitor and usability. I figure the use of an 
>> intel atom board would be efficient enough. I know the OLPC has an LCD 
>> that can switch to grayscale and is visible in bright sunlight, anyone 
>> know if anyone makes a larger version of this screen? Most of the time I 
>> will just be coding, so video and full color display is not really 
>> necessary. Looking for at least a 15' screen.
>>
>> Keyboard and mouse can be wired for power-conservation, but I prefer a 
>> full keyboard for coding.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience coming up with external power sources? Any tips?
>>
>> At some point I might break down and get a 3g pc card, but in the 
>> meantime I can make due with caching any data I would need beforehand. I 
>> think the atom boards have built in wifi.
>>
>> Any suggestions or commentary?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim Cortez
>>
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From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  6 10:32:34 2009
From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:32:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Outdoor Computing
References: <49D974C0.9080904@jimcortez.com>
	 <1239026545.2328.6.camel@jim-laptop> <49DA30EA.6040203@jimcortez.com>
Message-ID: <788676.54912.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A "Make" magazine thought. How about building a base that includes a 18-24 cell lithium-ion battery? You could have a detachable photo-voltaic panel? Arms that come out of the base for a keyboard and a pad for a mouse? To reduce the suns glare, you would probably need an anti-glare screen. Including an extra fan or two might be a good idea. I think you could get a federal grant for that.

Vince




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From: Jim Cortez <jim at jimcortez.com>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 9:42:18 AM
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Outdoor Computing

I have played with one, but I think the keyboard and monitor are too small.
Thanks,
Jim

jim wrote:
>    depending on what you want to do, the XO box 
> may work for you (the little green One Laptop HoH
> Per Child product). 
>
>
> On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 20:19 -0700, Jim Cortez wrote:
>  
>> While enjoying the incredible weather at Baker beach today, I found 
>> myself wanting to get some work done outside, in bright bright sunlight. 
>> So here are some brief requirements for a machine that I want to build:
>>
>>     * need to hook up to a battery of some kind
>>     * want about 5 hours of usability
>>     * need to see the screen in bright sunlight
>>     * need it to be semi-portable (meaning I can carry it to the beach)
>>     * needs to be sand proof
>>     * run Linux (Ubuntu or some derivative preferred)
>>     * have a budget of $600 (can probably machine things like a case if
>>       needed)
>>
>> The main thing is the monitor and usability. I figure the use of an 
>> intel atom board would be efficient enough. I know the OLPC has an LCD 
>> that can switch to grayscale and is visible in bright sunlight, anyone 
>> know if anyone makes a larger version of this screen? Most of the time I 
>> will just be coding, so video and full color display is not really 
>> necessary. Looking for at least a 15' screen.
>>
>> Keyboard and mouse can be wired for power-conservation, but I prefer a 
>> full keyboard for coding.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience coming up with external power sources? Any tips?
>>
>> At some point I might break down and get a 3g pc card, but in the 
>> meantime I can make due with caching any data I would need beforehand. I 
>> think the atom boards have built in wifi.
>>
>> Any suggestions or commentary?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim Cortez
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 12:47:18 2009
From: embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com (Jesse Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:47:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Outdoor Computing
In-Reply-To: <49D974C0.9080904@jimcortez.com>
References: <49D974C0.9080904@jimcortez.com>
Message-ID: <683785120904061247n464ac618medb855e089eabea9@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting project.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Jim Cortez <jim at jimcortez.com
> ? ?* need to see the screen in bright sunlight

>From a little Googling it seems the main factors here are high
brightness and high contrast.  All of the monitors I saw which are
designed for outdoor use cost $1,000+.  However I could not find any
that were monochrome only, although some had monochrome modes.
Perhaps there is some monochrome technology that can give you outdoor
visibility on the cheap.  I would recommend to ask about this on the
dorkbotsf-blabber mailing list, as there are a lot of folks there with
experience building public displays (kiosks, installations, etc).

http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotsf-blabber/

> ? ?* have a budget of $600 (can probably machine things like a case if
> ? ? ?needed)

That's a pretty tight budget and I suspect a lot of it will go to the
screen.  From what I've heard about computers at Burning Man, you
don't have to worry too much about sand getting in the case; you can
always just blow it out with a fan or compressed air.  Hard drives
should already be sealed although you might try to find a cheap solid
state disk instead.

It's hard to make something as small and integrated as a laptop unless
you just buy one.  You may consider instead taking a stock laptop with
decent brightness, install some kind of anti-glare filter over the
screen, and build a little portable hood over it to provide shade.

Getting 5 hours of batter life may be difficult as most laptops I see
seem to run only about half that.  You might have to carry two
batteries, or get a really expensive battery with lots of cells.  A
solid state disk works toward the goal of low power consumption, but
the bright LCD works against it.  You might have to get really good at
Linux power management software too.

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From penguin at techbandit.com  Mon Apr  6 13:26:50 2009
From: penguin at techbandit.com (Romel Jacinto)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Outdoor Computing
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References: <49D974C0.9080904@jimcortez.com>
	 <683785120904061247n464ac618medb855e089eabea9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20510.207.114.134.61.1239049610.squirrel@webmail.tuffmail.net>

> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Jim Cortez <jim at jimcortez.com
> ? ?* need to see the screen in bright sunlight


Rather than getting an entirely different laptop, you may want to consider
getting a shield/screen that will cover the laptop screen.

This screen is designed for digital photographers using laptops out in the
field, but it might work just work for you.

http://www.thinktankphoto.com/ttp_product_PxlSunscreenV2.php

--
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From jane_ikari at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  6 10:47:00 2009
From: jane_ikari at yahoo.com (bruce coston)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:47:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Canon printer under linux
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Mom and I got tired of slow print speeds and the ecodisaster of tossing printers away from ruined printheads when Dad just kept trying to print after the cartridge/s dried up .? After some research , we got a canon ip4200 for under $80 on sale And spent over $180 on a fancy Australian ciss. so Dad will see when it's running out of ink .? I need to support w98se and this printer does that .? I also need linux support and checked on linuxprinting before purchase .? We used to use a canon all in one , 180 I believe , with a driver from Canon Australia .? Weve been canon for some time now and rarely use anything but 300 or 600 dpi draft grayscale mode .? We used to use Epson printers but they wasted so much ink priming that we had to stop .? Honestly , depending on how one does the accounting , photo yellow ink in cartridges often costs more than gold .? If you want to risk that the printhead may have dried out and the sponge got full , I have an
 ip2000 hanging out .? The cartridges don't hold much but often only cost one dollar .? - Bruce



      
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From asheesh at asheesh.org  Mon Apr  6 12:50:08 2009
From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:50:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] [PYCLASS] Mon Apr 6 6:30 PM: Chapter 17
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0904061013230.21935@vellum.laroia.net>

(Thanks to both of you who submitted assignments! It's very encouraging to 
see that level of participation, and it's also still good to have people 
drop by even if they haven't. Reading still recommended, though.)

WHERE: Noisebridge (83C Weise St, near 16th & Mission BART)
<http://noisebridge.net>
WHEN:  Mon Apr 6 6:30 PM
WHAT:  Community Python learning session: Chapter 17

TEXTBOOK INFO: http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/thinkpython.html
TEXTBOOK CHAP: http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/book018.html

Chapter 17 covers classes and *methods*, which are functions attached to 
instances of a class. You see the exciting concept of "polymorphism", too.

IF YOU ARE NEW

Remember that the point of the class is to help you answer questions you 
have. To that end, *read Chapter 17* so that you can make sense of the 
general class discussion.

In addition, work forward in the text starting with chapter 1. I *urge* 
you to send me your exercises for any chapters; I can provide good 
feedback. Focus on the exercises for Chapter 17 so that we can have a 
coherent conversation in class, and feel free to ask me questions about 
earlier material.

WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?

A bunch of SF-LUG people have been learning an introduction to programming, and 
I've been facilitating.  My expectation is to have a fun conversation with 
people who have mostly read the chapter, and some of whom (hopefully all!) have 
done the chapter's exercises.

WHAT'S THE LOCATION?

Noisebridge is a "hacker space" where people gather to discuss technology
and art or build things.  It's a member-supported non-profit, and I think
you'll think it's pretty cool.  Read https://www.noisebridge.net/.

KEEP TALKING

I invite you to email me your answers to the exercises, or to discuss on the 
sf-lug list (since that's where this all started).

See some of you there!

-- Asheesh.

-- 
You are sick, twisted and perverted.  I like that in a person.

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From the_elkhorn at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  6 13:19:37 2009
From: the_elkhorn at yahoo.com (Elkhorn)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Conficker worm
Message-ID: <737177.29635.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi -
?
Somebody at yesterday's meeting (with a Pentium-III powered Dell laptop) was concerned about being infected with the Conficker worm. [Since you were able to get to McAfee & Symantec, I don't think that conficker is the problem, as that worm blocks access to?those web sites.]
?
In any event, you can download a conficker removal tool from:
?
?? http://vil.nai.com/vil/conficker_stinger/Stinger_Coficker.exe
?


?
Cheers, 
Elkhorn

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?Roses are 0xff0000
?Violets are 0x0000ff
?All your base
?Are belong to us
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Apr  7 13:24:48 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:24:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Conficker worm
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Quoting Elkhorn (the_elkhorn at yahoo.com):

Or you can run Linux, have reasonable expectations of real security, and
not have to go around ignominiously downloading magic fixes for problems
you shouldn't have in the first place.  ;->

-- 
Cheers,      "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first
Rick Moen     woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers
rick at linuxmafia.com       to kill again."  -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column,
              describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_

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From dennisharrison at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 17:32:58 2009
From: dennisharrison at gmail.com (Dennis J Harrison Jr)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:32:58 -0500
Subject: [sf-lug] Conficker worm
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nah! ;)

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Elkhorn (the_elkhorn at yahoo.com):
>
> Or you can run Linux, have reasonable expectations of real security, and
> not have to go around ignominiously downloading magic fixes for problems
> you shouldn't have in the first place. ?;->
>
> --
> Cheers, ? ? ?"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first
> Rick Moen ? ? woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers
> rick at linuxmafia.com ? ? ? to kill again." ?-- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_
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From jim at well.com  Tue Apr  7 08:59:08 2009
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[at web 2.0 i ran into paul lancaster of servepath 
who told me of this coming postgreSQL meeting and 
tour of the servepath (gogrid) facilities. he's 
offered the use of the room to sf-lug (and 
presumably, within reason, other lugs, possibly 
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PostgreSQL meeting 
7 PM wednesday, 20090408 
2 Harrison Street,  Suite 200. 

'''
GoGrid's Paul Lancaster will explain their cloud hosting platform for
PostgreSQL applications, followed by a tour of one of the GoGrid data
centers.

Will be at GoGrid's offices in San Francisco, directions TBA. Food will
be supplied by GoGrid.

Due to space considerations, the venue is strictly limited to 30 people.
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From: the_elkhorn at yahoo.com (Elkhorn)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Got worm ? ? ?
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Nice analysis, by SRI, of the Conficker worm. It's bloody sad that so much computer-fu has been spent on raping unspecting users...
?
an analysis of Conficker A, B, & C:
?
?? http://mtc.sri.com/Conficker/
?
?? http://mtc.sri.com/Conficker/addendumC/



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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Apr  9 18:42:08 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:42:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Got worm ? ? ?
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Elkhorn (the_elkhorn at yahoo.com) wrote:

> Nice analysis, by SRI, of the "Conficker" MS-Windows worm.
[...]
> http://mtc.sri.com/Conficker/
> http://mtc.sri.com/Conficker/addendumC/

(Actually, Elkhorn didn't say "MS-Windows worm".  I inserted the
qualifier to point out that Elkhorn was posting about a non-Linux
problem.)


I'm revisiting this topic because I thought it might be interesting to 
comment on the SRI report from a _Linux_ perspective.  That might make
an interesting change from the usual.

So, (1) what's a worm, and how does it differ from viruses and trojan
horses?  And then, (2) how does it come to get _run_, anyway?  For the first
question, have a look at this undergrad paper by a Mr. David Stone, 
"Spyware/Viruses in Linux":  http://nnucomputerwhiz.com/linux-virus.html
(Shameless self-promotion alert:  Stone's paper tests, very
impressively, some assertions about Linux malware in the Web pages of
yr. humble servant.)

Stone's description is pretty accurate, and concise:

   The nastiest viruses are the ones that exploit remote security holes
   in the operating system and use those to infect a computer over the
   network.  The infected computer will then try to infect more computers
   and so on.  Viruses that behave in this way are called worms. 


Question #2, "How does it come to get run?", is always, always, always
the most-vital question with malware -- and the fact that the IT press
and the security industry tend to give _bad or no_ answers to that
question for MS-Windows malware should be setting off alarms.  It's one
of many indicators of a horribly broken situation, which Linux users
would not put up with.  

It turns out, Conficker's vector of attack is a _little_ easier to track
down than that of many pieces of MS-Windows malware -- which is to say,
you can find at least vague descriptions without huge difficulty, and 
pry the real details out if you're very determined.

Ever since the MS-Windows NT family replaced the prior MS-Windows
95/98/ME family (which was just MS-DOS 7.x with MS-Windows 4.x glued
on top), all MS-Windows systems have automatically run an RPC portmapper
network service.

"Say what?", you said.  I'm referring to a network service (daemon) 
that freely hands out, on any network interface the machine has
(including modems) Remote Procedure Call port assignments usable to
reach various other network services that might be (or might not be)
also running on that machine.

In Unix-type operating systems, we've had RPC portmapper daemons
available and studied for a long time:  The concept was first invented
in BSD Unix in the 1980s, but Sun Microsystems later invented the
standard design, and Linux closely imitated that.  On the basis of decades
of experience it's known to be inherently dangerous to security, for a
couple of reasons:  1.  Because the port assignments it hands out cannot 
be predicted, it makes port/address firewalling difficult.  2.  Like any 
other advertised network service, it's an exposed point of outside
attack by bad guys.

For those reasons, RPC-based network services on Unix (chiefly NIS and
NFS) are considered too dangerous for anything other than carefully
protected, isolated networks.  In rare cases where questionable calls
are made by "desktop" programmers [**COUGH** "fam" in GNOME **COUGH],
it's trivial to set the rpc.portmap daemon process to be accessible from
localhost only.  _And_ it's very easy to determine what's going to not
work if you shut it down.

Back to Microsoft:  Having learned little-to-nothing from 40 years of
Unix history, they made all -- _all_ -- NT-family machines run a
portmapper, something called "Server Service".

Can you lock the "Server Service" daemon process to localhost?  Nope.

Can you determine what'll break, and if you care, if you were to shut
_off_ the "Server Service" daemon?  Nope.


One of the longest-ago and most bitter lessons of network security is
that any process that must deal in public data must carefully _validate_
that data before parsing it.  "Validate" means making sure data is of
the allowed/expected types/lenghths/contents only, so that subsequent 
code cannot be subverted by overpowering it with wrong / malformed data.

An RPC portmapper daemon would be a classic case of where data input
validation would be utterly crucial, and an incredibly picky input
parser would be the very first and most important piece you'd write.

Which brings us back to Conficker:  Delve through dozens of mostly
content-free articles on the subject, and you eventually come across
things like:

    executes arbitrary code via a crafted RPC request that triggers the
    overflow during path canonicalization

Hullo?  How could a "crafted RPC request" trigger a buffer overflow?
That would be possible only if....

Egads.  Microsoft Corporation put out a security-crucial network daemon
on each and every MS-Windows machine, one that cannot be locked to
localhost only, and cannot be safely prevented from starting because 
you don't know what would break, that had _no input validation_!

Furthermore, according to even such carefully semi-informative notices
as http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2008-4250 , this
complete and total failure to validate crucial public data was still
present in Win2k Service Pack 4, WinXP Service Pack 3, Windows Server
2003 Service Pack 2, Vista Service Pack 1, Windows Server 2008, and
Windows 7 Pre-Beta.  In other words, they finally got around to 
looking at input validation after 14 years!

If any Linux distro had been that reckless with crucial network issues,
and moreover had needlessly exposed every _desktop_ system to those 
issues for a decade-plus, their staff would have hidden in shame.

But wait!  There's more.  The "fix" came out in hotfix patches and then 
service packs, around October 2008.  In Linux terms, this would have
been an urgent, top-priority fix that would be _pushed_ out to Linux
systems and shouted from the rooftops.  We would have been busting our
butts to _shut down_ our RPC portmappers instantly, and then replace 
them with competently written code the same day.

And my calendar says:  April 2009.  Six months after the fixes, and
they're talking about a worldwide exploit of vulnerable RPC network code?


I said I'd look at the SRI pages.  So:

> From late November through December 2008 we recorded more than 13,000
> Conficker infections within our honeynet, 

OK, suggests that the September 2008 vulnerability announcements (and
hotfix announcements) were followed by appearance in public of a canned
exploit a month later.  Is anyone surprised?

> The exploit employs a specially crafted remote procedure call (RPC)
> over port 445/TCP, which can cause Windows 2000, XP, 2003 servers, and
> Vista to execute an arbitrary code segment without authentication.  

The SRI report is better than most in the "How does it come to get
run?" category, but still fails to address the obvious questions:  
_Why_ is there a portmapper at all, especially on desktop systems?
Why isn't it locked to localhost by default?  What relies on it?
What were they smoking when they decided to not validate input data on a
network daemon exposed to public code?

> The exploit can affect systems with firewalls enabled, but which
> operate with print and file sharing enabled. 

Suggests that these "firewall" leave the RPC portmapper exposed to
public data, probably on grounds of Microsoft's SMB implementation 
requiring it be thus exposed. 

Note that Samba, the interoperable open-source implementation of SMB
file and print sharing, does not require RPC service of any sort.  

> those Windows PCs that receive automated security updates have not
> been vulnerable to this exploit.

The paper refers obliquely, but doesn't detail, the reasons why many
sites, even those that are very security conscious, are slow to apply 
Microsoft hotfixes and service packs as a matter of policy:  breakage.
Because of poor modularity (poorly defined, unstable interfaces) in the
OS and app stack, sites are afraid to apply patches:  They don't know 
what else will break.

Again the Linux world would not put up with that situation.


The SRI paper spends a lot of time talking about what Conficker does
after it's been run with system root authority.  From a Linux
perspective, that's pretty much academic, because it's game over if a
Linux host is believed to be root-compromised:  You yank the power cord,
boot up trusted boot media (e.g., a live CD), study the inactive system
to make sure you know what happened and how to prevent its recurrence, 
copy off the datafile and a reference copy (not to be reused) of the
compromised machine configuration, and build a replacement host from
scratch, carefully avoiding trusting anything executable or any conffile
or dotfile from the burned host.


> NetBIOS Share Propagation:  Conficker B exploits weak security
> controls in enterprises and home networks to find additional
> vulnerable machines through open network shares and brute force
> password attempts using a list of over 240 common passwords. 

As usual, the SRI paper fails to address:  Why are NetBIOS-share 
authentication datbases permitted to accept weak passwords?  Haven't
they heard of the system crack libraries?


> USB Propagation:  Finally, Conficker B copies itself as the
> autorun.inf to removable media drives in the system, thereby forcing
> the executable to be launched every time a removable drive is inserted
> into a system.

And why does Microsoft still have an autorun mechanism defaulting to
enabled after nothing more than the insertion of media?  Have they
learned nothing?


To be fair, none of these questions is in-scope for the SRI study's
intended coverage.  My point really is that _nobody_ in the Microsoft
world routinely asks those questions.  All of the indicated types of
incompetence are accepted without objection and accepted as unavoidable
reality -- and all of them would instantly raise red flags in the Linux
community.


> 

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From bliss at sfo.com  Fri Apr 10 10:34:40 2009
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:34:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] About a fine article...
In-Reply-To: <20090410014207.GA16603@linuxmafia.com>
References: <20090410014207.GA16603@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <49DF8330.2050904@sfo.com>

Rick Moen wrote:

A fine message which I would like to forward to my TA-ML
and for which action I am seeking your permission.

later
Bobbie Sellers

	And I tried to direct it to you but it was rejected
so I am sending this to the list.

	later
	bliss

> Elkhorn (the_elkhorn at yahoo.com) wrote:

	And the analysis of the RPC problems and the
tardy response of Microsoft to it is the part I am
interested it so I trimmed all that from this post
to see if I can get the message to the SF-LUG ml.
>
	snip

  Well it was rejected again as containing spyware.

	later
	bliss

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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Apr 10 10:44:46 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:44:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] About a fine article...
In-Reply-To: <49DF8330.2050904@sfo.com>
References: <20090410014207.GA16603@linuxmafia.com>
	 <49DF8330.2050904@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <20090410174446.GO2117@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):

>   Well it was rejected again as containing spyware.

Apologies for that.  It's collateral damage from my MTA's attempts to
filter out junkmail.  The logfile entry says:

   2009-04-10 09:34:09 1LsJfz-0006QS-Mw H=sfo.com [66.160.191.54]:58423
   I=[198.144.195.186]:25 F=<bliss at sfo.com> rejected after DATA: Message 
   body matched in /etc/exim4/eximconfig/reject/body (Potential 
   software spam URL: *spyware*.cFILLERom/net/org/info/biz/us)
                                   ^ I put filler here, to avoid 
                                     triggering my own spam filter.

Apparently your posting's body text contained a URL of that form,
which matched a filtering regex designed to to catch very common spam
whose body text features such URLs.

You might want to alter your message's text the way I do, above, and 
try again.

> A fine message which I would like to forward to my TA-ML
> and for which action I am seeking your permission.

Yes, I'd be honoured.  (Out of curiosity, what's a TA-ML?)


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From bliss at sfo.com  Fri Apr 10 11:06:12 2009
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:06:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] About a fine article...
In-Reply-To: <20090410174446.GO2117@linuxmafia.com>
References: <20090410014207.GA16603@linuxmafia.com>
	 <49DF8330.2050904@sfo.com> <20090410174446.GO2117@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <49DF8A94.5080206@sfo.com>

Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at sfo.com):
>
>   
>>   Well it was rejected again as containing spyware.
>>     
>
> Apologies for that.  It's collateral damage from my MTA's attempts to
> filter out junkmail.  The logfile entry says:
>
>    2009-04-10 09:34:09 1LsJfz-0006QS-Mw H=sfo.com [66.160.191.54]:58423
>    I=[198.144.195.186]:25 F=<bliss at sfo.com> rejected after DATA: Message 
>    body matched in /etc/exim4/eximconfig/reject/body (Potential 
>    software spam URL: *spyware*.cFILLERom/net/org/info/biz/us)
>                                    ^ I put filler here, to avoid 
>                                      triggering my own spam filter.
>
> Apparently your posting's body text contained a URL of that form,
> which matched a filtering regex designed to to catch very common spam
> whose body text features such URLs.
>
> You might want to alter your message's text the way I do, above, and 
> try again.
>
>   
>> A fine message which I would like to forward to my TA-ML
>> and for which action I am seeking your permission.
>>     
>
> Yes, I'd be honoured.  (Out of curiosity, what's a TA-ML?)
>
>   
Team Amiga Mailing List.

Covers a variety of subjects and was where I first learned about Linux
and other topics some political, some artistic and lots of whining about
other OSes but even a few faithful Amigans doing their stuff on the
Amigas(well the mbs are from Amiga computers but it may have a
lot of other stuff crammed in including PCI daughter boards and
PPC processors.)

Since Elkhorn posted the original I guess I better clear it with him
as well.


later
bliss

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From the_elkhorn at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  7 17:58:37 2009
From: the_elkhorn at yahoo.com (Elkhorn)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:58:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Strange /digest/ behavior
Message-ID: <582780.7489.qm@web54605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi -
?
I'm signed up (and have been since day 1) for the Linux user's group?as ?/digest/ recipient. So why is it that I get between 1 and 6 "digest" e-mails a day?


Cheers, 
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Apr  7 18:21:32 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:21:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Strange /digest/ behavior
In-Reply-To: <582780.7489.qm@web54605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <582780.7489.qm@web54605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090408012132.GP2117@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Elkhorn (the_elkhorn at yahoo.com):

> Hi -
> ?
> I'm signed up (and have been since day 1) for the Linux user's group?as ?/digest/ recipient. So why is it that I get between 1 and 6 "digest" e-mails a day?

First of all, thank you for posting to this mailing list on some other
topic besides Microsoft Windows malware.

I'm not a listadmin for SF-LUG (that would be Jim Stockford and LX
Rudis), and non-listadmins _normally_ would not be able to answer your 
question -- but I happen to own/operate the server that hosts this
mailing list, so I can peer over the listadmins' shoulders, i.e., check
how the software is configured.

GNU Mailman has the following settings (among others) for this list:

  How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out?  30

  Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold isn't
  reached?  yes

Those are, FYI, the default settings.

So, it's probably a matter of people doing strange things like posting
in HTML and so-called "top posting" (quoting the entire preceding thread
and putting the reply on top).  A quick check of the archives confirms
this.

Jim Stockford and LX Rudis could adjust the kB figure upwards or disable
automatic posting of <30kB digests at least once a day -- it's entirely 
up to them -- but then run the risk that someone would complain about
that, too.

-- 
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From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:54:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] penguin day in san francisco, april 25
Message-ID: <1239465251.6352.231.camel@jim-laptop>



as seen on the linuxchix mailing list... 


> Penguin Day is coming to San Francisco on Saturday, April 25, 2009,
> right before the NTC. We'd love to see you there!
>
> Penguin Days are designed to let nonprofits and social justice
activists
> learn about free and open source software that can support their work
> and potentially save them money, including tools for web publishing,
> fundraising, blogging, and campaigning.
>
> Full details are at www.penguinday.org. Thanks to the generosity of
> Google, we're delighted to grant fee waivers to anyone who needs one!
>
> The latest agenda can be found at
>
> http://pd.aspirationtech.org/index.php/Penguin_Day_Agenda
>
> and we encourage anyone who wants to add a session or topic to do so!
>
> Sessions will include:
>
> * Introduction to Free and Open Source Software
> * Introduction to Free and Open Source Desktop Applications
> * Fundraising with all free software
> * Free And Open Source Online Advocacy: Tools And Best Practices
> * Online Fundraising With All Free and Open Tools
> * Introduction to Linux
> * Making sense of Free and Open Source Content Management Systems
> * Introduction to Blogging with Wordpress
> * Intro and Advanced sessions on Joomla! and Drupal
> * Intro to CiviCRM 2.0 + CiviCRM 2.0 - Advanced Topics
> * CiviCRM vs Sales force . com: What Are the Differences?
> * Increasing Access with Community Broadband in SF
> * Learnings from Google Summers of Code
> * Mobile Volunteering: The ExtraOrdinaries Project
> * Healthy and Sustainable Free and Open Source Communities
> * Helping Techies and Non-Techies Communicate and Cooperate
> * Creative Commons And Open Content
> * Free and Open Source Firewalls
>
> Penguin Day San Francisco is happening at the Odd Fellows Hall at 7th
> and Market Street, in the heart of downtown.
>
> We invite you to register now at www.penguinday.org. It's going to be
a
> great day!
>
> Penguin Day SF is organized by Aspiration, NOSI, PICnet, CiviCRM, and
> Chicago Technology Cooperative, and generously sponsored by Google.
>
> We look forward to seeing you there, and please feel free to post and
> forward this announcement far and wide :^)
>
> thanks & peace,
> gunner, Michelle, Ryan, Dave and Jim
> Penguin Day Organizing Committee
>
> _______________________________________________
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From john_re at fastmail.us  Sun Apr 12 00:14:46 2009
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:14:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Raleigh NC, Community Success Initiative Fwd:
	[BerkTIPGlobal] Re: Hi! New member from the old Dominion State of Viginia
Message-ID: <1239520486.30545.1310108567@webmail.messagingengine.com>

CE, & SFLUGers - forwarding to you, cause
a) I mentioned sflug & st anthonys - so you see where your efforts get
sent to,
b) you all might have an intereest in keeping up with projects like W4N
is working on.

:)


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From: "john_re" <john_re at fastmail.us>
To: "BTG" <BerkTIPGlobal at googlegroups.com>,...
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:05:26 -0700
Subject: [BerkTIPGlobal] Re: Hi! New member from the old Dominion State
of Viginia


Welcome, W4N :)

Where did you learn about BerkeleyTIP? Have you joined the online voice
meeting yet?

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:52:46 -0700 (PDT), "wayward4now"
<wayward4now at gmail.com> said:
> 
> I work for a non-Profit out of Raleigh NC, "Community Success
> Initiative". We deal with Ex-Cons who are getting out of prison. I've
> been working towards introducing Linux computer instruction within
> NCDOC. I worked at RedHat 1999-2000 when Bob Young was still there.
> So, with RedHat being mostly North Carolina based, I think we should
> have a shot. I'm using Sun's "Wonderland" project for my prison EDU
> project with a 3D environment to host audio/video lessons within it.

Cool :)  Maybe BTIP could look into using that technology.  I've thought
about 2nd Life.

> 
> Most Cons/Inmates (there IS a difference!) do not read/write well. So,
> we're to deliver course materials via this medium. It's far more fun
> than it is a living.  <chuckles> I'm looking down the shotgun barrels
> of turning 60, so I'm doing what I find Joy in. Ric

Good for you. :)

_Somewhat_ related, you might be interested in the work Christian
Einfeldt is doing in SanFrancisco regarding helping get people learn
about, use & install Linux sw at a non profit center St Anthonys.  He
posts invitations to attend on the SFLUG mailing list, where you can
read more about it.

sf-lug] Reminder! Tomorrow is the Tenderloin Computer Help Day event
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2009q1/006523.html
[sf-lug] tech help day at st. anthony's
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2009q1/006524.html
[sf-lug] Tenderloin Computer Help Day! What a Blast!
http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2009q1/006529.html


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From mailman-bounces at linuxmafia.com  Sun Apr 12 11:37:36 2009
From: mailman-bounces at linuxmafia.com (mailman-bounces at linuxmafia.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:37:36 -0700
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From pmpope at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 14:32:25 2009
From: pmpope at gmail.com (PM Pope)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:32:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Like an Ibex trapped on ice,... Request for Assistance
Message-ID: <33ee4620904121432m101c426dx11dcba7894f3219d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello SF-LUG,

Any sort of help I am able to recieve will be welcomed. I was working
happily on my ThinkPad running Intrepid Ibex and long about six months ago
my FL-inverter went out. I used a Phillips screen, I had picked up from a
junk shoppe for quite a while until,... one morning (when I was expected in
a conference call) the screen gave up the ghost {or kahput, in laymen's
terms} I then rushed out to the Goodwill, on Mission,  to purchase an
external screen (ViewSonic 14" for $25) OK,... so far so good. Yesterday,
April 11th, my ThinkPad decided it had had enough and decided not to work
for me any longer. (I check and recheck the connections and external monitor
to no avail) I believe this would be the... (motherboard?)? The ThinkPad is
being powered with an AC adaptor and the LEDs indicate that electricity is
being supplied but...DA-DA-Dum... only a black, lifeless screen. I keep a
finicky little ME box (re: slow and buggy & M$) sitting over in the corner
for emergencies such as this. I have spent the last thirty-six hours
attempting to burn and install a Live CD of Ibex on this applecrate and now
I petition you, penguinistas unite! The Ibex is trapped on the ice. Any
solutions for a fellow SF or Global LUGger will be generously accepted with
thanks and grateful prayers.

Concepts:

A local CD of the Intrepid (LIVE CD) (I am in SF and can pick it up)

A used, loaner note/netbook running ubuntu with hotswappable HD so I can
retrieve the ThinkPad data.

Information about HOW TO tell if this ThinkPad's motherboard is ACTUALLY
toast

A FREE BEER whilst we discuss the nature of Springtime for Albinos

Or Light a candle and say a pray

{These are ONLY concepts. Your ingenuity may vary}

Joy to the World!

>From Sea to shining Sea...


-- 
PMPope
Edge of the World Productions uSA
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From embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 00:52:29 2009
From: embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com (Jesse Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:52:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Like an Ibex trapped on ice, ... Request for
	Assistance
In-Reply-To: <33ee4620904121432m101c426dx11dcba7894f3219d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <33ee4620904121432m101c426dx11dcba7894f3219d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <683785120904130052q9298a6dr15b70aecd3fe4628@mail.gmail.com>

You may end up wanting to use something like a USB to IDE adapter to
pull the data off your ThinkPad.

http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=1541&sku=39994

I have one for full-size 3.5" IDE drives but not the smaller 2.5" laptop size.

Once a laptop is no longer booting from a CD, it's a hardware
problem... sorry I can't help with that.

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From asheesh at asheesh.org  Mon Apr 13 03:50:06 2009
From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:50:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] [PYCLASS] Mon Apr 13 6:30 PM: Chapter 18 (2nd-to-last
	chapter!)
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0904130345150.5861@vellum.laroia.net>

WHERE: Noisebridge (83C Weise St, near 16th & Mission BART)
<http://noisebridge.net>
WHEN:  Mon Apr 13 6:30 PM
WHAT:  Community Python learning session: Chapter 18

TEXTBOOK INFO: http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/thinkpython.html
TEXTBOOK CHAP: http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/book019.html

Chapter 18 covers poker and inheritance. It continues to cover objects. 
(It's the second-to-last chapter!)

IF YOU ARE NEW

Talk to me, and we'll figure out when I might start up the group 
discussions again. There are some new people starting fresh from the 
beginning that you can join.

WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?

A bunch of SF-LUG people have been learning an introduction to programming, and 
I've been facilitating.  My expectation is to have a fun conversation with 
people who have mostly read the chapter, and some of whom (hopefully all!) have 
done the chapter's exercises.

WHAT'S THE LOCATION?

Noisebridge is a "hacker space" where people gather to discuss technology
and art or build things.  It's a member-supported non-profit, and I think
you'll think it's pretty cool.  Read https://www.noisebridge.net/.

KEEP TALKING

I invite you to email me your answers to the exercises, or to discuss on the 
sf-lug list (since that's where this all started).

See some of you there!

-- Asheesh.

-- 
You are sick, twisted and perverted.  I like that in a person.

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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Apr 13 06:49:31 2009
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:49:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG: 2009-04-21 Allison Randal on Parrot (interpreter
	engine	behind Perl 6 & other languages), etc.; & other BALUG news
Message-ID: <20090413064931.196725nhp20f2kf4@webmail.rawbw.com>

Contents - upcoming meetings:
2009-04-21 Allison Randal on Parrot, etc.
2009-05-19 (final speaker confirmation pending)
2009-06-16 Kyle Rankin on forensics

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG)
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2009-04-21
Allison Randal[1] on Parrot[2], etc.

Parrot is a virtual machine like no other. Targeting dynamic languages
such as Perl[3], Ruby[4], Python[5] and PHP[6], it incorporates an
object-oriented assembly language, is register-based rather than
stack-based, and employs continuations as the core means of flow
control. It hosts a powerful suite of compiler tools tailored to
dynamic languages and a next generation regular expression engine. This
talk briefly explains the overall architecture of Parrot and teaches
the skills needed to get started hacking in Parrot.

Allison Randal is chief architect and lead developer of the open source
project Parrot, chairman of the Parrot Foundation[7], on the board of
directors of The Perl Foundation[8], founder of the FLOSS
Foundations[9] group for open source leaders, and founder and president
of Onyx Neon Press[10]. She also works for O'Reilly Media[11], planning
the program for their Open Source Convention (OSCON[12]).

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP:

       rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they ensure that we're able to
eat upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

       6:30pm
       Tuesday, April 21st, 2009 2009-04-21

       Four Seas Restaurant
       731 Grant Ave.
       San Francisco, CA 94108
       Easy $5 PARKING:  Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny

Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Randal
2. http://www.parrot.org/
3. http://www.perl.org/
4. http://www.ruby-lang.org/
5. http://www.python.org/
6. http://php.net/
7. http://www.parrot.org/foundation
8. http://www.perlfoundation.org/
9. http://flossfoundations.org/
10. http://www.onyxneon.com/
11. http://oreilly.com/
12. http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon

------------------------------

2009-05-19 (final speaker confirmation pending)
To be sure to see updates, subscribe to the BALUG announce list[13] if
you're not already subscribed, or check back on meeting information[14]
on the BALUG web site[15].

13. http://www.balug.org/#Lists
14. http://www.balug.org/#Meetings%20(upcoming)
15. http://www.balug.org/

------------------------------

2009-06-16 Kyle Rankin[30] on forensics

30. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1849

------------------------------

http://www.balug.org/

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
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From sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr 13 11:04:23 2009
From: sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com (sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:04:23 -0700
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From wellmanron at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 12:37:20 2009
From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:37:20 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1239649212.2684.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
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anyone around who can translate this? I'm hoping it's not an invitation to
join Amway...

2009/4/13 <sf-lug-request at linuxmafia.com>

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From embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 12:59:36 2009
From: embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com (Jesse Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:59:36 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <2a0eb8360904131237o251c2888vf61b46e8c0d4eeaa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1239649212.2684.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
	 <2a0eb8360904131237o251c2888vf61b46e8c0d4eeaa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <683785120904131259x6cb938f2q53ab04a31c03918d@mail.gmail.com>

Courtesy of Google Translate:

Translation: Chinese ? English
	 	
? ??Xinzhao?gushing?tally confused?Broussonetia angry dog mongoose???
? Dun Nan Zhao ? drizzle?crude saltpeter?confused?kill???? Tam Bi
?????Orlando hunting?plate volumes surged?scabies?
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr 13 13:00:12 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:00:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <2a0eb8360904131237o251c2888vf61b46e8c0d4eeaa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1239649212.2684.sf-lug@linuxmafia.com>
	 <2a0eb8360904131237o251c2888vf61b46e8c0d4eeaa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090413200012.GB2408@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting ron wellman (wellmanron at gmail.com):

> anyone around who can translate this? I'm hoping it's not an invitation to
> join Amway...

It says:  "You'll be tempted to post this Mandarin text to a Linux user
group mailing list.  Resist the temptation, and the feeling will pass."

-- 
Cheers,           "I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate
Rick Moen         those who do.  And, for the people who like country music,
rick at linuxmafia.com         denigrate means 'put down'."      -- Bob Newhart

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:54:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Anthony added you as a friend on MyLife!
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(Just to be clear, Anthony probably had no idea what was about to
happen.  I sympathise.  It happens.)


I try to carefully avoid treading on Jim Stockford and LX Rudis's 
toes, and respect their administration of this mailing list in any way
they see fit.  Separately from that, however, I do administer this
server as a whole, including the antispam functions of its MTA (SMTP 
daemon) software.  

So, I've just now configured my machine to reject all future mail from
MyLife.

It's very common for these social networking sites to ask new members
whether they wish to invite their "friends" to join as well.  The
software then parses everything in, e.g., the user's GMail or Yahoo Mail 
address book and then mail-bombs everyone with a posting that purports 
to be from the new member, but in fact forges that user's "From:"
header, etc. to simulate being from that person.  LinkedIn has been
guilty of doing that in the past, for example, and probably many others.
I globally ban them when they do.


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From jim at well.com  Mon Apr 13 21:15:35 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:15:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Anthony added you as a friend on MyLife!
In-Reply-To: <20090414035439.GC8103@linuxmafia.com>
References: <1228209693.306856@yahoo.com>
	 <20090414035439.GC8103@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <1239682535.6323.6.camel@jim-laptop>

On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 20:54 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> FYI, that mail arrived from:
> Received: from smtp106.mail.mylife.com ([216.52.223.225]:52746)

> I try to carefully avoid treading on Jim Stockford and LX Rudis's 
> toes, and respect their administration of this mailing list in any way
> they see fit.  Separately from that, however, I do administer this
> server as a whole, including the antispam functions of its MTA (SMTP 
> daemon) software. 

rightly so! 


> So, I've just now configured my machine to reject all future mail from
> MyLife.

Good! Thank you! 




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From testpattern at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 14:23:51 2009
From: testpattern at gmail.com (chadwick crawford)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:23:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] display totally effed
Message-ID: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>

I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 on an HP pavillion dv2000 laptop.  I upgraded my
seahorse, because there seemed to be some problems stemming from bad
configuration there.  And afterword, I was given some popup request to
upgrade my desktop.  Like the half-blind fool I am, I said "OK, do that."
And then everything went south.  First it went into low graphics mode.  I
tried to select the proper resolution on the laptop screen I thought was
mine.  It wouldn't allow me to set it at anything greater than 800 by 640,
although my desktop wallpaper seemed to be at the correct resolution.  No
amount of wrasslin'  with display options seemed to have any effect.  This
was okay; I went through it when I first installed Ubuntu.  I figured it
out, somehow.  So I restarted.

And now, folks, everything is *really* cattywumpus.  It seemed like
everything was normal at first, and then the login screen came in.  Split
into 4 columns.  I logged in, and yes, it continued.  My desktop is repeated
in four illegible columns across my monitor.  I think that I can get to my
Administration menu, but I can't read anything that it says.

It seems to me most likely that my display is set in such a way that my
graphics card doesn't know what to do with it.  Is there anyway to fix this
from a live cd?  Can anyone help a poor wayward idiot?

chadwick

-- 
"There is no rest for the humble except in despising the great, whose only
thought of the people is inspired by self-interest or sadism."

--Louis-Ferdinand C?line,
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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 15:12:40 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:12:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] display totally effed
In-Reply-To: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b5781040904141512n3bc384cp15f660d2fecccabb@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:23 PM, chadwick crawford <testpattern at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 on an HP pavillion dv2000 laptop.  I upgraded my
> seahorse,


Sorry, what does this mean, "seahorse"?  Did you upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?



> because there seemed to be some problems stemming from bad configuration
> there.  And afterword, I was given some popup request to upgrade my
> desktop.  Like the half-blind fool I am, I said "OK, do that."  And then
> everything went south.  First it went into low graphics mode.  I tried to
> select the proper resolution on the laptop screen I thought was mine.  It
> wouldn't allow me to set it at anything greater than 800 by 640,


I was having a problem with this screen resolution issue, and Rick Moen
tried to help me, but I couldn't quite follow what he was saying.  However,
if you follow this thread, you might be able to use the advice that he was
trying to give me.

http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2009q1/006509.html

I eventually was able to get my 8.10 machine's screen resolution working,
but I had to download some proprietary drivers to do so.


> And now, folks, everything is *really* cattywumpus.  It seemed like
> everything was normal at first, and then the login screen came in.  Split
> into 4 columns.  I logged in, and yes, it continued.  My desktop is repeated
> in four illegible columns across my monitor.  I think that I can get to my
> Administration menu, but I can't read anything that it says.


If I were in this position, I would give it some time to see if you can get
some help from someone on this list.  And you could also try to take your
notebook to a local LUG meeting and see if you can get someone to help you
out.  If that doesn't help, I would probably move my data off of the
computer using a liveCD and then just do a fresh clean install as a last
resort after waiting to get some better advice from people on this list.

Good luck.
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Apr 14 15:19:22 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:19:22 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] display totally effed
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References: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4b5781040904141512n3bc384cp15f660d2fecccabb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090414221922.GK8103@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com):

> Sorry, what does this mean, "seahorse"?

I'm guessing that he meant "Seamonkey".  (But I could be wrong.)

> I was having a problem with this screen resolution issue, and Rick Moen
> tried to help me, but I couldn't quite follow what he was saying.  However,
> if you follow this thread, you might be able to use the advice that he was
> trying to give me.
> 
> http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2009q1/006509.html

That might be almost useful, if he hadn't just gotten through saying "I
think that I can get to my Administration menu, but I can't read
anything that it says."

-- 
Cheers,              H?ggledy-p?ggledy / XML programmers
Rick Moen            Try to escape those / I-eighteen-N woes;
rick at linuxmafia.com  Incontrovertibly / What we need more of is
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Apr 14 15:14:51 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:14:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] display totally effed
In-Reply-To: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090414221450.GJ8103@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting chadwick crawford (testpattern at gmail.com):

> It seems to me most likely that my display is set in such a way that my
> graphics card doesn't know what to do with it.  Is there anyway to fix this
> from a live cd?  Can anyone help a poor wayward idiot?

First of all, take a deep breath, then print out and browse through this 
Web page:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XORGHardy  (Don't panic
at the amount of detail, as by no means is everything there relevant
to your situation.)

You might want to also go get safety copies of all files in /etc/X11/ 
with names of the form "xorg.conf*".  /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the
X server's current configuration file.  There may also be backups/older
versions in the same directory.

Since your display is wonky, we can fall back to the old-school approach
of using one of your non-X consoles.  Press Ctrl-Alt-F1, to change over
to virtual console #1.  (Your messed-up X session is undoubtedly on
virtual console #7, so Ctrl-Alt-F7 at any time will toggle you back into
it.)  Login.  Do

   cd /etc/X11

You might want to copy xorg.conf* to, I dunno, a USB flash drive?
Try typing

  mount

Then insert the drive, wait a couple of seconds, then type

  mount

...again.  By comparing the output streams, you'll probably then be able
to spot where the blasted GNOME automounter thing has mounted your flash
drive, like /media/usb or whatever.  If not, come back here and ask for
help.  Assuming /media/usb:

  cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf* /media/usb
  eject /media/usb

You have now stored safety copies of the current xorg.conf and any
backups/variants from the same dir onto your flash drive.  Remove the
latter.

(If you have another *ix  machine where you have a shell account, you 
can do "scp /etc/X11/xorg.conf* yourusername at somemachine.com:", to copy
them to your home directory on somemachine.com .)

You might indeed find that the easiest way to come by a non-munched 
xorg.conf for your hardware is to boot an Ubuntu 8.04 or later live CD.
Then, y'know, just grab the live system's /etc/X11/xorg.conf , copy it
someplace, put it into your messed-up systems's /etc/X11 directory, 
and reboot.

Or follow the cited Web page's tips for troubleshooting.

Next time, you might want to anticipate this situation by storing a
compressed snapshot of your entire /etc/ directory somewhere, for
safekeeping.  Like:

   sudo tar cvzf /root/etc-$(date +%F).tar.gz /etc

...then copy /root/etc-2009-04-14.tar.gz to someplace archival (like, a 
USB flash drive).

Think of this as a miniature lesson in "Er, were _do_ the files live on
my Ubuntu system that I would miss if they got screwed up?"

My own answers for my Debian-based server that runs this mailing list:
"Backup Scheme" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Admin/ .

-- 
Cheers,           find / -user your -name base -print | xargs chown us:us
Rick Moen
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From embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 15:28:04 2009
From: embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com (Jesse Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:28:04 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] display totally effed
In-Reply-To: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <683785120904141528y6f7e4011u316117e086352cd6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chadwick,

It sounds like you got an updated graphics driver, maybe switching
from the free to non-free driver or vice versa.  Probably it would be
best to start by figuring out what card and driver you have.  You
should be able to get a usable text console with Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or any
of F2-F6; Ctl-Alt-F7 goes back to the X session).  Try lspci like so:

$ lspci |grep -i vga
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce
FX Go5200 64M] (rev a1)

Now you should be able to figure out what packages were recently
installed / removed on your system by examining /var/log/apt/term.log
(assuming the package management via apt, which we hope is the case).
E.g.

$ grep \.deb /var/log/apt/term.log
Unpacking nvidia-180-modaliases (from
.../nvidia-180-modaliases_185.13-0ubuntu0~intrepid1_i386.deb) ...
Preparing to replace nvidia-common 0.2.4 (using
.../nvidia-common_0.2.4.1_i386.deb) ...
Preparing to replace openssl 0.9.8g-10.1ubuntu2.1 (using
.../openssl_0.9.8g-10.1ubuntu2.2_i386.deb) ...
Preparing to replace xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.4.1-1ubuntu10.3
(using .../xserver-xorg-video-intel_2%3a2.4.1-1ubuntu10.4_i386.deb)
...
Preparing to replace xserver-xorg-video-i810 2:2.4.1-1ubuntu10.3
(using .../xserver-xorg-video-i810_2%3a2.4.1-1ubuntu10.4_all.deb) ...

So this tells me I recently installed updated NVidia and Intel drivers.

You may be able to figure out which driver is loaded with lsmod.
Probably the driver name will contain "nv" for NVidia cards, or "iNNN"
for Intel, where NNN is a 3-digit number like 945.  For ATI I don't
really know, probably something like "ati", "radeon", or "fglrx".

SO getting this diagnostic info would be the first step before
recommending a solution.  One more thing, make sure we are sure what
distro version you are running based on the output of lsb_modules -a:

$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:    Ubuntu 8.10
Release:        8.10
Codename:       intrepid

In case you somehow upgraded accidentally.  The solution may be to
upgrade the whole system to 8.10 or 9.04 beta.

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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Apr 14 15:44:43 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:44:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] display totally effed
In-Reply-To: <683785120904141528y6f7e4011u316117e086352cd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <683785120904141528y6f7e4011u316117e086352cd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090414224443.GL8103@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Jesse Zbikowski (embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com):

> It sounds like you got an updated graphics driver, maybe switching
> from the free to non-free driver or vice versa.

Could be.  His description says nothing very clear about what happened
(undoubtedly because he's not sure).  All he really said was "I was
given some popup request to upgrade my desktop."  (Passive voice noted,
again without objection:  _Something_ did something, and Chadwick
doesn't know what.)

[Snipped: lspci to figure out loaded kernel module, grepping term.log
to suss out packages installed.]

Wouldn't it be more straightforward to just login on virtual console #1 
(Ctrl-Alt-F1) and do

   grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf | egrep -v 'kbd|mouse'

?


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From tom at greenleaftech.net  Tue Apr 14 16:09:18 2009
From: tom at greenleaftech.net (Tom Haddon)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:09:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] display totally effed
In-Reply-To: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a97972f0904141423p6df01f86w1afcf9ff2116c11d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1239750558.3680.63.camel@hurlyburly>

On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 14:23 -0700, chadwick crawford wrote:
> I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 on an HP pavillion dv2000 laptop.  I upgraded
> my seahorse, because there seemed to be some problems stemming from
> bad configuration there.  And afterword, I was given some popup
> request to upgrade my desktop.  Like the half-blind fool I am, I said
> "OK, do that."  And then everything went south.  First it went into
> low graphics mode.  I tried to select the proper resolution on the
> laptop screen I thought was mine.  It wouldn't allow me to set it at
> anything greater than 800 by 640, although my desktop wallpaper seemed
> to be at the correct resolution.  No amount of wrasslin'  with display
> options seemed to have any effect.  This was okay; I went through it
> when I first installed Ubuntu.  I figured it out, somehow.  So I
> restarted.
> 
> And now, folks, everything is really cattywumpus.  It seemed like
> everything was normal at first, and then the login screen came in.
> Split into 4 columns.  I logged in, and yes, it continued.  My desktop
> is repeated in four illegible columns across my monitor.  I think that
> I can get to my Administration menu, but I can't read anything that it
> says.
> 
> It seems to me most likely that my display is set in such a way that
> my graphics card doesn't know what to do with it.  Is there anyway to
> fix this from a live cd?  Can anyone help a poor wayward idiot?

Seems like you've had a lot of input so this may confuse things more
than ever, but...

You can try reconfiguring xorg.conf as follows - I'd recommend:

- opening a virtual terminal (ctrl+alt+F1, for instance) and login there
(this should be a non graphical terminal - text only.
- Stopping X/gdm (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop)
- Backup your xorg.config file (sudo
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.mybackup)
- sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
- Restart X/gdm (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start)

This should give you a basic working configuration. If not, try again
without the "-phigh" option and select the most basic setup you can
"Vesa 800x600", for instance. If that still doesn't work, you can
restore your old configuration:

- opening a virtual terminal (ctrl+alt+F1, for instance) and login there
(this should be a non graphical terminal - text only.
- Stopping X/gdm (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop)
- Restore xorg.config file (sudo
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.mybackup /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
- Restart X/gdm (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start)

Thanks, Tom


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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Jun  3 15:05:43 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:05:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Say hey
Message-ID: <20090603220543.GJ30735@linuxmafia.com>

The Web page says:

> The SF-LUG mailing list is temporarily down. it will be back up
> sometime.

Now seems good.  ;->




From jim at well.com  Thu Jun  4 07:48:11 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:48:11 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Say hey
In-Reply-To: <20090603220543.GJ30735@linuxmafia.com>
References: <20090603220543.GJ30735@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <1244126891.6321.32.camel@jim-laptop>


it works? really? i can send news to all 
about our upcoming meeting this sunday, 
june 6, at the cafe euro on geary at 
26th ave in san francisco from 11 AM to 
1 PM (or thereabouts)? 

testing, 1, 2, 3.... 
hopefully, and with thanks, 
jim 



On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 15:05 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> The Web page says:
> 
> > The SF-LUG mailing list is temporarily down. it will be back up
> > sometime.
> 
> Now seems good.  ;->
> 
> 
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From bliss at sfo.com  Thu Jun  4 07:56:37 2009
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:56:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Say hey
In-Reply-To: <1244126891.6321.32.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <20090603220543.GJ30735@linuxmafia.com>
	<1244126891.6321.32.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <4A27E0A5.8040801@sfo.com>

jim wrote:
> it works? really? i can send news to all 
> about our upcoming meeting this sunday, 
> june 6, at the cafe euro on geary at 
> 26th ave in san francisco from 11 AM to 
> 1 PM (or thereabouts)? 
>
> testing, 1, 2, 3.... 
> hopefully, and with thanks, 
> jim 
>
>
>   
    It has changed its name to the Cafe Enchante I believe.
    Bobbie Sellers

> On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 15:05 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>   
>> The Web page says:
>>
>>     
>>> The SF-LUG mailing list is temporarily down. it will be back up
>>> sometime.
>>>       
>> Now seems good.  ;->
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sf-lug mailing list
>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>>
>>     
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>
>   




From larry.cafiero at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 08:15:54 2009
From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:15:54 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Say hey
In-Reply-To: <4A27E0A5.8040801@sfo.com>
References: <20090603220543.GJ30735@linuxmafia.com>
	<1244126891.6321.32.camel@jim-laptop> <4A27E0A5.8040801@sfo.com>
Message-ID: <7a0d56080906040815q496905bbg4ca83833181e875@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/4/09, Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com> wrote that:
> jim wrote:
>
> > it works? really? i can send news to all about our upcoming meeting this
> sunday, june 6,

Jim --

Sunday is the 7th.

But if you're not doing anything on Saturday the 6th and you're in the
Santa Cruz Mountains just west of San Jose, you can stop in at the
Felton LUG meeting, which runs from 2 to 6ish at the Felton Fire
Station, 135 Kirby, behind the Felton Community Center (which is
waaaaaay more directions than you really need here in Felton).

This month our speaker postponed until July, so we may have a brief
presentation on something -- or not -- or open the floor to anyone who
want to speak about what's on their minds, within reason. Also,
chances are we'll have more Ubuntu Jaunty Jalopy, er Jackalope, Fedora
11 (which releases in a few days) and OpenSUSE's new release available
for tryout and installing.

For more information, call me at 831-335-7303 (Redwood Digital
Research) or e-mail lcafiero-at-redwoodresearch-dot-net.

Thanks and apologies in advance for the shameless self promotion of Felton LUG.

Larry Cafiero



From jim at well.com  Thu Jun  4 08:32:18 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:32:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [JOPB POSTING] Embedded Software Engineer (C/C++, Linux,
	ARM) -	Pasadena CA
Message-ID: <1244129538.6321.55.camel@jim-laptop>



Position:  Embedded Software Engineer.   

Company:  Leading developer of biometric identification systems;
publicly traded

Location:  Pasadena CA 

Salary:  $80,000 - $100,000 plus comprehensive benefits package
including medical, dental, vision, life insurance, disability, and
401k. 

This is a full-time position responsible for the development and
enhancement of a multi-modal, wireless, hand-held device used by
military and law enforcement personnel. 


The product is currently running on WinCE and the client wants to port
to embedded Linux.

US Citizenship required. 

Requirements 
- Bachelors CS/CE/EE 
- Minimum 7 years C/C++ programming for embedded systems (preferably a
consumer product, mobile device, Smartphone, PDA, GPS)?not device
drivers 
- Strong experience with Linux preferably embedded Linux 
- Experience with ARM 
- Experience in GUI interface development 
- Excellent problem solving and verbal/written communication skills 
- Must be self motivated, team player, and thrive in challenging work
environment 

Please email resume to:  kathy.magel at yahoo.com

Thank you.





From sverma at sfsu.edu  Thu Jun  4 11:07:57 2009
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:07:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BADCamp at SF State Downtown Center
Message-ID: <5fb387c70906041107j1a757954s2b1fa66249a1e284@mail.gmail.com>

Passing this along:

On behalf of Information Management Systems Association or IMSA, a
student org at SF State (disclaimer: I'm their faculty advisor):

"We are pleased to announce Drupal Camp San Francisco (a.k.a BADCamp).
This will be a single Saturday event at the SFSU downtown campus at
835 Market St, 5th floor. The event will be hosted by the Information
Management Systems Association, iMSA, http://imsa.sfsu.edu."

RSVP at http://sf2009.badcamp.net/

Please forward to anyone who may be interested.

cheers,
Sameer

-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Information Systems
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132 USA
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/



From nbs at sonic.net  Thu Jun  4 15:35:25 2009
From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:35:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] LUG booth at OSCON?
Message-ID: <20090604223525.GA28143@sonic.net>


Would people like to put together a multi-LUG booth at O'Reilly's
Open Source Convention (OSCON), which will be in the bay area this year!

San Jose, July 20-24  http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009


A number of us LUGs did this at the 2004 LinuxWorld Expo.
(And LUGOD had its own booth at the 2003 LWE.
See: http://www.lugod.org/projects/lwe/ )


Or, at the _least_, we can put together a little flyer describing all
of the local LUGs, and see if one of the booths would be willing
to hand them out.  (Ubuntu?  O'Reilly themselves?)


Interested?

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Jun  4 16:22:09 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:22:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Upcoming holiday scheduling issue
Message-ID: <20090604232209.GA28130@linuxmafia.com>


One of SF-LUG's two regular meeting dates being 1st Sundays, there's
either an issue or not (depending on one's perspective) with July:


:r! cal July 2009

     July 2009      
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
          1  2  3  4
 5  6  7  8  9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31   

That is, July 5th falls on the holiday weekend, the day after
Independence Day.  Cancel or go ahead?





From jim at well.com  Thu Jun  4 19:42:12 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:42:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] LUG booth at OSCON?
In-Reply-To: <20090604223525.GA28143@sonic.net>
References: <20090604223525.GA28143@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1244169732.6321.125.camel@jim-laptop>


yes. 


On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 15:35 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> Would people like to put together a multi-LUG booth at O'Reilly's
> Open Source Convention (OSCON), which will be in the bay area this year!
> 
> San Jose, July 20-24  http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009
> 
> 
> A number of us LUGs did this at the 2004 LinuxWorld Expo.
> (And LUGOD had its own booth at the 2003 LWE.
> See: http://www.lugod.org/projects/lwe/ )
> 
> 
> Or, at the _least_, we can put together a little flyer describing all
> of the local LUGs, and see if one of the booths would be willing
> to hand them out.  (Ubuntu?  O'Reilly themselves?)
> 
> 
> Interested?
> 




From sverma at sfsu.edu  Thu Jun  4 19:54:06 2009
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:54:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] LUG booth at OSCON?
In-Reply-To: <20090604223525.GA28143@sonic.net>
References: <20090604223525.GA28143@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5fb387c70906041954s31a5ba67sf237c30a652dca25@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Bill Kendrick<nbs at sonic.net> wrote:
>
> Would people like to put together a multi-LUG booth at O'Reilly's
> Open Source Convention (OSCON), which will be in the bay area this year!
>
> San Jose, July 20-24 ?http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009
>
>
> A number of us LUGs did this at the 2004 LinuxWorld Expo.
> (And LUGOD had its own booth at the 2003 LWE.
> See: http://www.lugod.org/projects/lwe/ )
>
>
> Or, at the _least_, we can put together a little flyer describing all
> of the local LUGs, and see if one of the booths would be willing
> to hand them out. ?(Ubuntu? ?O'Reilly themselves?)
>
>
> Interested?
>
> --
> -bill!
> Sent from my computer
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>

+1

Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Information Systems
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132 USA
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/



From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 22:08:29 2009
From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:08:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] LUG booth at OSCON?
In-Reply-To: <20090604223525.GA28143@sonic.net>
References: <20090604223525.GA28143@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <99415.48100.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If possible, I'll volunteer to man a booth. I would need transportation.

Vince




________________________________
From: Bill Kendrick <nbs at sonic.net>
To: SF-LUG <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:35:25 PM
Subject: [sf-lug] LUG booth at OSCON?


Would people like to put together a multi-LUG booth at O'Reilly's
Open Source Convention (OSCON), which will be in the bay area this year!

San Jose, July 20-24  http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009


A number of us LUGs did this at the 2004 LinuxWorld Expo.
(And LUGOD had its own booth at the 2003 LWE.
See: http://www.lugod.org/projects/lwe/ )


Or, at the _least_, we can put together a little flyer describing all
of the local LUGs, and see if one of the booths would be willing
to hand them out.  (Ubuntu?  O'Reilly themselves?)


Interested?

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer

_______________________________________________
sf-lug mailing list
sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From grantbow at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 23:53:31 2009
From: grantbow at gmail.com (Grant Bowman)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:53:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] LUG booth at OSCON?
In-Reply-To: <20090604223525.GA28143@sonic.net>
References: <20090604223525.GA28143@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <317e39f0906042353p2e05c270p13183ba81243d458@mail.gmail.com>

Ubuntu California has got a booth and our planning is taking place on
our mailing list.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca  We would be
happy to work work out the details there or join us every other Sunday
for our IRC meetings in #ubuntu-california on freenode at 7 PM.

Cheers,

Grant Bowman
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Bill Kendrick<nbs at sonic.net> wrote:
>
> Would people like to put together a multi-LUG booth at O'Reilly's
> Open Source Convention (OSCON), which will be in the bay area this year!
>
> San Jose, July 20-24 ?http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009
>
>
> A number of us LUGs did this at the 2004 LinuxWorld Expo.
> (And LUGOD had its own booth at the 2003 LWE.
> See: http://www.lugod.org/projects/lwe/ )
>
>
> Or, at the _least_, we can put together a little flyer describing all
> of the local LUGs, and see if one of the booths would be willing
> to hand them out. ?(Ubuntu? ?O'Reilly themselves?)
>
>
> Interested?
>
> --
> -bill!
> Sent from my computer
>
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
>



From jim at well.com  Fri Jun  5 09:17:29 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:17:29 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Upcoming holiday scheduling issue
In-Reply-To: <20090604232209.GA28130@linuxmafia.com>
References: <20090604232209.GA28130@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <1244218649.6321.142.camel@jim-laptop>


   our policy wrt policies seems to be go 
with what we've got, encourage anything and 
everything.... in this case, the meeting 
times are always respected regardless of 
holidays, football games, and so on. those 
who'd like to gather to discuss linux and 
related things (e.g. fix laptops...) please 
come and discuss and fix. 
jim 



On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 16:22 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> One of SF-LUG's two regular meeting dates being 1st Sundays, there's
> either an issue or not (depending on one's perspective) with July:
> 
> 
> :r! cal July 2009
> 
>      July 2009      
> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
>           1  2  3  4
>  5  6  7  8  9 10 11
> 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
> 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
> 26 27 28 29 30 31   
> 
> That is, July 5th falls on the holiday weekend, the day after
> Independence Day.  Cancel or go ahead?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> 




From wellmanron at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 14:46:08 2009
From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:46:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] LUG booth at OSCON?
Message-ID: <2a0eb8360906051446n77631f9al1e78515df70b0b24@mail.gmail.com>

I can set aside one day to man a table.
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From jim at well.com  Sat Jun  6 08:10:32 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:10:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug meeting at cafe enchante on geary at 26,
	sunday 20090607, 11 AM to 1 PM
Message-ID: <1244301032.6311.24.camel@jim-laptop>


   SF-LUG meets at its regular spot, now renamed 
Cafe Enchante, on Sunday, June 7, at 11 AM to 1 PM, 
on Geary Blvd at 26th Ave. 





From nbs at sonic.net  Sat Jun  6 21:50:59 2009
From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:50:59 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Tux Paint 0.9.21 beta available
Message-ID: <20090607045059.GE24034@sonic.net>


Tux Paint 0.9.21 will be available soon.  A few beta builds have been
created, which are now available for people who'd like to test things
out and make sure everything's more-or-less working:

RedHat (6.2, 7.3, 8.0 and 9.0), Fedora CORE (1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6)
and Fedora (7, 8, 9 and 10) Linux packages (for i386):

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/rpm/0.9.21/


Windows (I believe only XP, 2000, Vista and Windows 7):

  ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/win32/0.9.21/


If you have a chance, please try them out, and let us know if you have
any problems.


Source code is, as always, available from CVS.  Info on accessing it is here:

  http://www.tuxpaint.org/download/source/cvs/


Thanks and wish us luck!

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 18:41:57 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:41:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Linux project raffle
Message-ID: <4b5781040906071841t178b54bbg5bf8155e3207ce7@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

A guy in Texas is having a raffle to support his Linux giveaway project.  I
am not associated with this project, but I do know the guy and he is
trustworthy

http://is.gd/Si9e
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From toya at linefeed.org  Mon Jun  8 17:00:43 2009
From: toya at linefeed.org (toya)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:00:43 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Help with mirror for Elastix
Message-ID: <4A2DA62B.8040502@linefeed.org>

Hi all,

I am not sure if anyone here knows Elastix, if not this is a great
GNU/Linux distribution with user-friendly softwares for you to easily
configure an Asterix-base PBX . The distro was created in Ecuador - btw
Rafael Correia the president of Ecuador created a decree saying the use
of free software is a government and state policy, below is the
translation of his speech about free software [1].

They need help with mirrors, right now their repository server has too
much traffic and the downloads is starting to be very slow. If anyone
can help please get in touch with Rafael Bonifaz ->
rbonifaz(at)elastix.org   besides being part of Elastix community Rafael
is also part of Free Software Foundation Latin America and one of the
people responsible for introducing Richard Stallman to Rafael Correa, a
40 min meeting that made the president decide to create the decree :)))

Here is a post about the distro:
http://news.northxsouth.com/2009/05/26/elastix-an-amazing-gnulinux-distribution-to-set-up-an-asterix-based-pbx/

Their site:
http://www.elastix.org/

Any help would be appreciated!  Please past this email around!
Cheers,
Toya

Rafael Correa Speech about Free Software:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy5yAk4dYOk
(spanish only sorry -below is the translation)

Dear friends, the President of the Republic of Ecuador sends you
greetings. This is the hour for the integration of Latin America in all
of its aspects, including in technology and the use of information
technologies.

For that reason, it is necessary that we all adopt, on a public and
private level, the use of free software. In that manner, we will
guarantee the sovereignty of our states. We will depend on our own
efforts, and not on the external forces on the region. We will be
producers of technology, and not simple consumers. We will be the owners
of the source codes, and we can develop many products that can, with
cooperation of this effort, can be very useful to public and private
companies in the region.

For that, everyone must use free software. The Ecuadoran government has
already established this as a governmental and state policy. This will
be an important step in the integration and, why not say, for the
liberation of Latin America.



From sverma at sfsu.edu  Mon Jun  8 19:59:09 2009
From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:59:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] creating a photo DVD using FOSS
Message-ID: <5fb387c70906081959p6022c983g1ba4d30d28030e21@mail.gmail.com>

A real lesson in trying to solve a problem at hand, constrained by me
to FOSS tools only.  Result? Fun with dvd-slideshow, audacity,
openoffice.org, Ubuntu, and ccmixter.org ! Read on...

http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/642

cheers,
Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Information Systems
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132 USA
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/



From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Thu Jun 11 21:36:44 2009
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:36:44 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG: Tu 2009-06-16 Kyle Rankin on forensics
Message-ID: <20090611213644.176273bgtdeon8o4@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG: Tu 2009-06-16 Kyle Rankin on forensics

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG)
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2009-06-16

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our 2009-06-16 BALUG meeting, we're excited to have Kyle Rankin[1]
on forensics.

In this talk Kyle Rankin will provide an introduction to performing
forensics analysis on Linux machines using the popular Sleuth Kit[2]
tools with their easy-to-use Autopsy[3] web-based front-end.  The talk
will cover initial installation and configuration of Sleuthkit and
Autopsy, basic concepts and considerations for a forensics
investigation, and at the end there will be a demo with a real,
compromised Linux image.

Kyle Rankin is a systems architect for Quinstreet, Inc.[4], the current
president of the North Bay Linux Users Group[5], the author of Knoppix
Hacks[6], Knoppix Pocket Reference[7], Linux Multimedia Hacks[8], and
Ubuntu Hacks[9] and has contributed to a number of other O'Reilly[10]
books. Kyle is also a columnist for Linux Journal[11] and has had
articles featured in PC Magazine[12], TechTarget[13] and other
publications.

  1. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1849
  2. http://www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/
  3. http://www.sleuthkit.org/autopsy/
  4. http://www.quinstreet.com/
  5. http://www.nblug.org/
  6. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596007874/
  7. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596100759/
  8. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596100766/
  9. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596527204/
10. http://oreilly.com/
11. http://www.linuxjournal.com/
12. http://www.pcmag.com/
13. http://www.techtarget.com/

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP:

        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they help ensure that we'll be
able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

        6:30pm
        Tuesday, June 16th, 2009 2009-06-16

        Four Seas Restaurant
        731 Grant Ave.
        San Francisco, CA 94108
        Easy $5 PARKING:  Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny

Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13

SF-LUG folks - did you miss BALUG announcements while the SF-LUG list
was down?  You can catch up by looking at the BALUG "announce" archives:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/
Or to be sure you don't miss out, subscribe (it's a low volume list):
http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

http://www.balug.org/




From jim at well.com  Fri Jun 12 08:03:20 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:03:20 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] meeting monday, 20090615, at cafe enchante, 6 to 8 PM
Message-ID: <1244819000.6485.67.camel@jim-laptop>


   sf-lug meeting monday, 20090615, from 6 PM 
to 8 PM (or so) at the cafe enchante, on geary 
at 26th in san francisco. 
   give-aways: thanks to grant bowman, there'll 
be ubuntu 9.04 CDs for those who want them. 






From jim at well.com  Fri Jun 12 21:28:28 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:28:28 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard drive?
Message-ID: <1244867308.6564.24.camel@jim-laptop>


   i got a new 1TB USB stand-alone hard drive with a vfat 
file system and called itself "My Book". 
   i figured i'd use fdisk to wipe the existing partition 
table and make a new 100GB partition, leave the rest raw 
and make new parts as i see the needs. 
   i used fdisk, which showed four screwy partitions and 
then told me the device didn't seem to have a valid 
partition table, maybe i screwed up. 
   i ignored fdisk's sarcasm and deleted the four screwy 
partitions and then made a new 100GB partition. fdisk 
seemed happy. 
   partprobe didn't like things. 
   i rebooted. and then... 

           It still calls itself "My Book". I'd like to fix that 
        along with other things. 
        
        
        ubuntu 8.04, 
        # fdisk -l    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks
        Id
        System
        /dev/sdb1               1      121601   976760001    c  W95
        FAT32 (LBA)
        <JS: the above looks the way it came before i used 
        fdisk to wipe out the weird non-partitions that fdisk 
        complained about (along with a somewhat snide remark 
        that there was no partition table, i must have made 
        a mistake), and then create a single 100MB partition.> 
        
        
        # fdisk /dev/sdb1 
        Command (m for help): p
        Disk /dev/sdb1: 1000.2 GB, 1000202241024 bytes
        255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121600 cylinders
        Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
        Disk identifier: 0x73696420
        
             Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
        /dev/sdb1p1               1         123      987966   83  Linux
        <JS: the above is what fdisk reports now, after i'd 
        used fdisk to make a 100 MB partition and rebooted 
        the whole system.> 
        
        
        # mount | grep sdb 
        /dev/sdb1 on /media/My Book type vfat
        (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,flush) 
        <JS: i would have tho't that blasting the old 
        partition table and creating a new one would have 
        blasted the stupid space-in-the-middle name, but 
        no: when the system reboots, it sees the drive as 
        it was originally, a vfat 1TB USB drive named 
        "My Book".> 
        
        
        # cd /media/My*
        # df -h .
        Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
        /dev/sdb1             932G  2.0G  930G   1% /media/My Book
        <JS: and df sees the same old 1TB thing rather than 
        a nice new 100GB thing.> 
        
        
        <JS: so far, the internet has not revealed how to 
        repartition this thing: 
        Western Digital My Book 1 TB USB stand alone hard drive, 
        WDH1U1009QN 
        WD10000H1U-00 
        > 
        
        




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Jun 12 23:44:25 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:44:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard drive?
In-Reply-To: <1244867308.6564.24.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1244867308.6564.24.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <20090613064425.GI26092@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting jim (jim at well.com):

>    i got a new 1TB USB stand-alone hard drive with a vfat 
> file system and called itself "My Book". 
>    i figured i'd use fdisk to wipe the existing partition 
> table and make a new 100GB partition, leave the rest raw 
> and make new parts as i see the needs. 
>    i used fdisk, which showed four screwy partitions and 
> then told me the device didn't seem to have a valid 
> partition table, maybe i screwed up. 
>    i ignored fdisk's sarcasm and deleted the four screwy 
> partitions and then made a new 100GB partition. fdisk 
> seemed happy. 
>    partprobe didn't like things. 
>    i rebooted. and then... 
> 
>            It still calls itself "My Book". I'd like to fix that 
>         along with other things. 

You know, if you want to start with a truly wiped disk format, just
write zeroes over the first 512 bytes:

#  dd if=/dev/zero /of=dev/sdb bs=512 count=1

Do that, and every aspect of filesystems, partition tables, volume
labels, etc. is just plain gone.

Now, as to your 1 TB drive, I'm pretty sure it's below the size where
/sbin/fdisk runs out of steam entirely, which I believe doesn't happen
until you try to create a filesystem larger than 1.5 TB, _but_ you
should, IMO, start thinking about using GNU parted instead of
/sbin/fdisk, and maybe also GPT-type partition tables instead of the
default IBM/Microsoft type.

(I have no direct experience, as I don't own any hard drives that big.)

-- 
Cheers,                      Notice:  The value of your Hofstadter's Constant 
Rick Moen                    (the average amount of time you spend each month 
rick at linuxmafia.com          thinking about Hofstadter's Constant) has just 
McQ!  (4x80)                 been adjusted upwards.



From tom at greenleaftech.net  Sat Jun 13 00:19:01 2009
From: tom at greenleaftech.net (Tom Haddon)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:19:01 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard drive?
In-Reply-To: <1244867308.6564.24.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1244867308.6564.24.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <1244877541.3853.39.camel@hurlyburly>

On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 21:28 -0700, jim wrote:
> i got a new 1TB USB stand-alone hard drive with a vfat 
> file system and called itself "My Book". 
>    i figured i'd use fdisk to wipe the existing partition 
> table and make a new 100GB partition, leave the rest raw 
> and make new parts as i see the needs. 
>    i used fdisk, which showed four screwy partitions and 
> then told me the device didn't seem to have a valid 
> partition table, maybe i screwed up. 
>    i ignored fdisk's sarcasm and deleted the four screwy 
> partitions and then made a new 100GB partition. fdisk 
> seemed happy. 
>    partprobe didn't like things. 
>    i rebooted. and then... 
> 
>            It still calls itself "My Book". I'd like to fix that 
>         along with other things. 

Once you create ext3 partitions on there, use e2label to assign a name
to the device and this will be respected in the name it's assigned when
mounted.

>         
>         
>         ubuntu 8.04, 
>         # fdisk -l    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks
>         Id
>         System
>         /dev/sdb1               1      121601   976760001    c  W95
>         FAT32 (LBA)
>         <JS: the above looks the way it came before i used 
>         fdisk to wipe out the weird non-partitions that fdisk 
>         complained about (along with a somewhat snide remark 
>         that there was no partition table, i must have made 
>         a mistake), and then create a single 100MB partition.> 
>         
>         
>         # fdisk /dev/sdb1 
>         Command (m for help): p
>         Disk /dev/sdb1: 1000.2 GB, 1000202241024 bytes
>         255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121600 cylinders
>         Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>         Disk identifier: 0x73696420
>         
>              Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>         /dev/sdb1p1               1         123      987966   83  Linux
>         <JS: the above is what fdisk reports now, after i'd 
>         used fdisk to make a 100 MB partition and rebooted 
>         the whole system.> 
>         
>         
>         # mount | grep sdb 
>         /dev/sdb1 on /media/My Book type vfat
>         (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,flush) 
>         <JS: i would have tho't that blasting the old 
>         partition table and creating a new one would have 
>         blasted the stupid space-in-the-middle name, but 
>         no: when the system reboots, it sees the drive as 
>         it was originally, a vfat 1TB USB drive named 
>         "My Book".> 
>         
>         
>         # cd /media/My*
>         # df -h .
>         Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>         /dev/sdb1             932G  2.0G  930G   1% /media/My Book
>         <JS: and df sees the same old 1TB thing rather than 
>         a nice new 100GB thing.> 
>         
>         
>         <JS: so far, the internet has not revealed how to 
>         repartition this thing: 
>         Western Digital My Book 1 TB USB stand alone hard drive, 
>         WDH1U1009QN 
>         WD10000H1U-00 
>         >   
>         

Rick's comments may be a better way to go, but I believe what you need
to do in fdisk is run fdisk on the drive itself (/dev/sdb) rather than
partitions within it (/dev/sdb1). This will allow you to delete all
existing paritions, create new ones (and specify the right filesystem
type - most likely ext3).

Good luck!

Cheers, Tom




From the_elkhorn at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 13 16:19:35 2009
From: the_elkhorn at yahoo.com (the_elkhorn at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard drive?
	(jim) [sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
Message-ID: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Jim -
?
I suspect that the problem may be in the USB - to - actual hard disk interface. Is your?"1TB USB stand-alone hard drive with a vfat file system and called itself "My Book"" a pre-packaged, "plug & pray" device, or is it a 1TB disk stuffed into a USB to PATA (or SATA) interface box?
?
If the former, it may be that the software (and cpu) on the "My Book" device is preventing you from doing what you want.
?
I took a look at WD's "My Book" web pages, and it seems like the box is designed to work with Windows & Mac, do backups, etc. This implies that there is a bunch of on-board software to talk to those systems, especially as it has? My Book Premium II Firmware Update - Mac?and My Book Premium II Firmware Update - PC?links.
?
Likely, your linux isn't actually talking to the actual hard drive, but to a virtual hard drive interface in the "My Book" box. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a linux version of the thing.
?
I would contact their customer support and find out what's going on. At least, get an RMA and return it to them, as it doesn't suit your needs.
?
If you don't mind voiding your warranty, open up the box and see what kind of actual hard disk is in it (probably a SATA drive). Take the disk out and plug it into your system and fdisk it directly.
?
Good luck.

Cheers, 
Elkhorn

- - -
I don't have "issues". I have a full subscription!
- - -
?Roses are 0xff0000
?Violets are 0x0000ff
?All your base
?Are belong to us
?- - -


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From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 17:05:10 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:05:10 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Installfest tomorrow, Saturday,
	9:30 a.m. to 4:00 PM Geary & Scott
Message-ID: <4b5781040906131705t79824e41r998764d0e5e55d07@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

Last minute notice, I know, but there will be an installfest tomorrow, 9:30
a.m. to 4 pm at a public middle school at Geary and Scott Streets in San
Francisco.  There is ample free parking.  If you are interested in showing
up and you have questions, please feel free to call Christian Einfeldt at
415-351-1300.  On the day of the event, please also feel free to call Jeff
Shippen at 505-803-3456.

The reason that it is last minute is that one key volunteer decided on the
spur of the moment today to offer to come, and so I just thought that I
would announce the installfest to see if anyone else might also be
interested.  My apologies for the last minute notice.

The computers will be deployed there at the school; or given to kids who
attend that school; or will be sent to Mexico, where GNOME Foundation
Executive Director Stormy Peters is building a Linux lab at a school:

http://www.stormyscorner.com/2009/01/setting-up-a-computer-lab-in-mexico.html

Thanks either way for considering this request!

-- 
Christian Einfeldt
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From jim at well.com  Sat Jun 13 20:19:49 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:19:49 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard drive?
	(jim)	[sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
In-Reply-To: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>


responses in-line: 

On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 16:19 -0700, the_elkhorn at yahoo.com wrote:
> Jim -
> I suspect that the problem may be in the USB - to - actual hard disk
> interface. Is your "1TB USB stand-alone hard drive with a vfat file
> system and called itself "My Book"" a pre-packaged, "plug & pray"
> device, or is it a 1TB disk stuffed into a USB to PATA (or SATA)
> interface box?
> If the former, it may be that the software (and cpu) on the "My Book"
> device is preventing you from doing what you want.
> 
> JS:  
>    i can't answer that surely. it's a cute little 
> black box with a usb cable connecting it to my 
> laptop. i'm guessing "the former", and i'm 
> guessing you're right: some software-hardware 
> combo is in the way. it advertises that it works 
> with windows and mac, no mention of linux. 
> 
> 
> I took a look at WD's "My Book" web pages, and it seems like the box
> is designed to work with Windows & Mac, do backups, etc. This implies
> that there is a bunch of on-board software to talk to those systems,
> especially as it has  My Book Premium II Firmware Update - Mac and My
> Book Premium II Firmware Update - PC links.
> Likely, your linux isn't actually talking to the actual hard drive,
> but to a virtual hard drive interface in the "My Book" box.
> Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a linux version of the thing.
> I would contact their customer support and find out what's going on.
> At least, get an RMA and return it to them, as it doesn't suit your
> needs.
> If you don't mind voiding your warranty, open up the box and see what
> kind of actual hard disk is in it (probably a SATA drive). Take the
> disk out and plug it into your system and fdisk it directly.
>  
> JS: 
>    i'm tempted to "void the warrantee", and take 
> it apart. trouble is, how to connect it to my 
> laptop without voiding that warrantee, too? 
>    it works as is. all the fdisk-ing in the 
> world probably won't do anything one way or 
> another. i'll try copying tons of files to the 
> thing and see if it'll reliably hold 200GB worth. 
> i'm guessing it'll hold them, tho' i'm not 
> guessing as to reliability. 
>    the  dd  command failed: /dev/sdb wasn't 
> valid or wasn't there or some such. 
>    i may bring it back to the store and hope 
> they credit me and/or sell me something else 
> that will work with linux: i.e. that i can 
> repartition as i please. 
> jim 
> 
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Cheers, 
> Elkhorn
> 
> - - -
> I don't have "issues". I have a full subscription!
> - - -
>  Roses are 0xff0000
>  Violets are 0x0000ff
>  All your base
>  Are belong to us
>  - - -
> 
>          
> 




From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 20:40:10 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:40:10 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Installfest tomorrow, Saturday,
	9:30 a.m. to 4:00 PM Geary & 	Scott
In-Reply-To: <4b5781040906131705t79824e41r998764d0e5e55d07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b5781040906131705t79824e41r998764d0e5e55d07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b5781040906132040l9d2886rb111de7fc396bbd5@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

For those of you who have not previously been to this school, please drive
to the corner of Pierce and O'Farrell Street in San Francisco, which is the
entrance to the school.  The entrance to the school parking lot is located
about 40 meters from the corner of Pierce and O'Farrell, which is an
L-shaped intersection.  Please enter this search string into your favorite
mapping service:

pierce & O'Farrell San Francisco

If you use Google maps, you will be able to see the entrance to the school
parking lot.  Please come to that entrance even if you come by bike or car,
as the school is huge and you will be confused and get lost otherwise.
Please call Christian Einfeldt at 415-351-1300 or Jeff Shippen at
505-803-3456, and one of us will come out to get you.

I recommend parking in the school's lot, as opposed to street parking.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>wrote:

> hi,
>
> Last minute notice, I know, but there will be an installfest tomorrow, 9:30
> a.m. to 4 pm at a public middle school at Geary and Scott Streets in San
> Francisco.  There is ample free parking.  If you are interested in showing
> up and you have questions, please feel free to call Christian Einfeldt at
> 415-351-1300.  On the day of the event, please also feel free to call Jeff
> Shippen at 505-803-3456.
>
> The reason that it is last minute is that one key volunteer decided on the
> spur of the moment today to offer to come, and so I just thought that I
> would announce the installfest to see if anyone else might also be
> interested.  My apologies for the last minute notice.
>
> The computers will be deployed there at the school; or given to kids who
> attend that school; or will be sent to Mexico, where GNOME Foundation
> Executive Director Stormy Peters is building a Linux lab at a school:
>
>
> http://www.stormyscorner.com/2009/01/setting-up-a-computer-lab-in-mexico.html
>
> Thanks either way for considering this request!
>
> --
> Christian Einfeldt
>
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From bibayoff at gmail.com  Sat Jun 13 20:41:23 2009
From: bibayoff at gmail.com (Steve M Bibayoff)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:41:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard drive?
	(jim) [sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
In-Reply-To: <1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <540b90d0906132041i136b69a7qb487cd7bfdcda389@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:19 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

> > ? ?the ?dd ?command failed: /dev/sdb wasn't
> > valid or wasn't there or some such.

I believe I have this drive (or very similar, WD My Book, size ?),
just don't have it w/ me right know. I had no problem reformatting and
using it.

I'll be able to retrieve it and try to recreate what I did on Monday
and report how I did it.


Steve



From jim at well.com  Sun Jun 14 08:58:53 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:58:53 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard
	drive?	(jim) [sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
In-Reply-To: <540b90d0906132041i136b69a7qb487cd7bfdcda389@mail.gmail.com>
References: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
	<540b90d0906132041i136b69a7qb487cd7bfdcda389@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244995133.6649.29.camel@jim-laptop>


many, many thanks. i'm holding my breath. 


On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 20:41 -0700, Steve M Bibayoff wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:19 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> 
> > >    the  dd  command failed: /dev/sdb wasn't
> > > valid or wasn't there or some such.
> 
> I believe I have this drive (or very similar, WD My Book, size ?),
> just don't have it w/ me right know. I had no problem reformatting and
> using it.
> 
> I'll be able to retrieve it and try to recreate what I did on Monday
> and report how I did it.
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Sun Jun 14 20:55:34 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:55:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard
	drive?	(jim) [sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
In-Reply-To: <1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <20090615035534.GM26092@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting jim (jim at well.com):

>    the  dd  command failed: /dev/sdb wasn't 
> valid or wasn't there or some such. 

Um, whoa there.  Huh?  What does "some such" mean?   

I certainly wasn't guaranteeing that, at any given time, the device
would be addressable as /dev/sdb.  That part's up to you, e.g., through
checking "dmeg | more" to find out what device name the kernel assigned
to the mass storage device.  Then, once you have the correct device
name, and are the root user, "dd" _will_ be able to write to it, if it
can be physically written to at all.




From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Jun 15 08:10:48 2009
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:10:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG: REMINDER - TOMORROW!: Tu 2009-06-16 Kyle Rankin
	on	forensics
Message-ID: <20090615081048.94437xg6o2ribjb4@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG: REMINDER - TOMORROW!: Tu 2009-06-16 Kyle Rankin on forensics

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG)
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2009-06-16

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our 2009-06-16 BALUG meeting, we're excited to have Kyle Rankin[1]
on forensics.

In this talk Kyle Rankin will provide an introduction to performing
forensics analysis on Linux machines using the popular Sleuth Kit[2]
tools with their easy-to-use Autopsy[3] web-based front-end.  The talk
will cover initial installation and configuration of Sleuthkit and
Autopsy, basic concepts and considerations for a forensics
investigation, and at the end there will be a demo with a real,
compromised Linux image.

Kyle Rankin is a systems architect for Quinstreet, Inc.[4], the current
president of the North Bay Linux Users Group[5], the author of Knoppix
Hacks[6], Knoppix Pocket Reference[7], Linux Multimedia Hacks[8], and
Ubuntu Hacks[9] and has contributed to a number of other O'Reilly[10]
books. Kyle is also a columnist for Linux Journal[11] and has had
articles featured in PC Magazine[12], TechTarget[13] and other
publications.

  1. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1849
  2. http://www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/
  3. http://www.sleuthkit.org/autopsy/
  4. http://www.quinstreet.com/
  5. http://www.nblug.org/
  6. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596007874/
  7. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596100759/
  8. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596100766/
  9. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596527204/
10. http://oreilly.com/
11. http://www.linuxjournal.com/
12. http://www.pcmag.com/
13. http://www.techtarget.com/

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP:

        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they help ensure that we'll be
able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

        6:30pm
        Tuesday, June 16th, 2009 2009-06-16

        Four Seas Restaurant
        731 Grant Ave.
        San Francisco, CA 94108
        Easy $5 PARKING:  Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny

Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13

Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

http://www.balug.org/




From jim at well.com  Mon Jun 15 08:10:51 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:10:51 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB
	hard	drive?	(jim) [sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
In-Reply-To: <20090615035534.GM26092@linuxmafia.com>
References: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
	<20090615035534.GM26092@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <1245078651.6649.83.camel@jim-laptop>


   "some such" is a place holder for my bad memory: 
i forget the exact words of the error message. 
   the system originally reported the device as 
/dev/sdb6, and using  fdisk /dev/sdb  did bring up 
something credible: a complaint about the invalidity 
of the partition table, which showed four partitions 
with complaints. 
   i deleted the four partitions and made a new one 
of 100 GB, wrote it, and rebooted. 
   voila:  fdisk -l  reported /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 
and i used  mke2fs -j  to make an ext3 filesystem 
and rebooted. 
   voila: right-click the GUI icon and choose volume 
and see rw ... ext3 but use  fdisk -l  and see 
/dev/sdb1 as vfat. _not only_, but both GUI and fdisk 
report /dev/sdb1 as 1TB (approximately), tho' i'd 
used  fdisk  to make a 100GB partition. 
   i copied some files and rebooted, and there are 
the files. the  ls -lai  command reports inode 
numbers, so it looks like ext3 and i'm guessing 
ext3 is somehow sitting on vfat, tho' i'm not taking 
my guesswork seriously. 
   i took up the strategy "screw it" and used 
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 
and got the error message i've badly reported as 
"some such". 
   files are still there, drive is still variously 
seen as 1TB vfat or ext3, and  ls -i  reports inode 
numbers. 

   i'm hoping for another bit of feedback as to what 
i might be able to do, then i'll make a decision as 
to returning the thing (minus files and hopefully as 
vfat) or voiding the warrantee. 



On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 20:55 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting jim (jim at well.com):
> 
> >    the  dd  command failed: /dev/sdb wasn't 
> > valid or wasn't there or some such. 
> 
> Um, whoa there.  Huh?  What does "some such" mean?   
> 
> I certainly wasn't guaranteeing that, at any given time, the device
> would be addressable as /dev/sdb.  That part's up to you, e.g., through
> checking "dmeg | more" to find out what device name the kernel assigned
> to the mass storage device.  Then, once you have the correct device
> name, and are the root user, "dd" _will_ be able to write to it, if it
> can be physically written to at all.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jun 15 09:03:40 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:03:40 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard
	drive?	(jim) [sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
In-Reply-To: <1245078651.6649.83.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
	<20090615035534.GM26092@linuxmafia.com>
	<1245078651.6649.83.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <20090615160340.GX3316@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting jim (jim at well.com):

[much that we'll disregard as no longer relevant, because in the end you
overwrote the MBR.]

>    i took up the strategy "screw it" and used 
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 
> and got the error message i've badly reported as 
> "some such". 

OK, so you ended up overwriting the boot area and the partition table 
with zeroes.

>    files are still there, drive is still variously 
> seen as 1TB vfat or ext3, and  ls -i  reports inode 
> numbers. 

Wait:  What say?  What exactly do you mean by "files are still there"?
What do you mean it's "seen as 1TB vfat or ext3"? 

You just got through overwriting the partition table with zeroes.
Although there might be filesystems on that disk, you just got through
saying you destroyed the partition table by which operating systems find
those partitions.

Part of the problem is that your account omits key _process_ details.
The one moment, you're overwriting the entire sector zero, and the next
you're running "ls -i" on filesystems on it -- but you didn't say what
you did in-between.  Like, wait, didn't you mount at least one
filesytem, first?  If so, (1) Shouldn't you have said so? And (2) didn't
a bell go off in the back of your head saying "Wait, I shouldn't have
been able to mount anything off this drive, because I just got through
overwriting its partition table with zeroes"?

Also, backing up a bit, I very distinctly said that I nowhere guaranteed
that the device was, at any given time, accessible as /dev/sdb at all;
that it was your responsibility to _determine_ how the kernel was
deciding to address this device, e.g., by reading the relevant lines of
"dmesg | more" where the kernel assigned it a device name.  With USB
mass-storage devices, the kernel uses the next available letter.  (Well,
with udev, it does whatever the script for that type of device
dictates.)

If you did that, you didn't mention having done so, with the result that
it's difficult for readers like me to know for certain what you were
doing.

If I might make a suggestion:  Take notes.  Contemporaneously.  If
you're going to seek technical help, ability to relate accurate details
matters, and having to fall back on language like "some such" is a bad
sign.  Also, as I like to say, assume techies are from Missouri, the
"Show Me" state:  Don't just tell us your interpretation of events, e.g.
"files are still there".  Instead, show us the raw data, e.g. selected
commands and return values.





From bibayoff at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 14:24:31 2009
From: bibayoff at gmail.com (Steve M Bibayoff)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:24:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard drive?
Message-ID: <540b90d0906151424u705751e0mdce43ae182b3eb2c@mail.gmail.com>

hello,

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:58 AM, jim<jim at well.com> wrote:
>
> many, many thanks. i'm holding my breath.

Well holding your breath didn't seem to help much from my end ;-) .
What I have is the 500 GB WD "My Book", but w/ USB 2, Firewire 400 and
eSata. I believe I initially partitioned it using the USB connector,
but I could be wrong(it may have been the firewire). Don't recall have
any problems at all.

iirc, this is what I did:
1) pluged it in, my system (Ubuntu 8.04) automounted it.
2) I backuped th contents on the drive just in case.
3) umounted drive.
4) fdisk /dev/sdb
5) mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1
6) remounted to see that everything worked

and that was it.


Some notes that may help.

1) Double check that you are using the correct device letter (and
interface, ie sdb, hda, etc). try plugging it in after your system
been up for awhile then plug it in and see what 'dmesg' outputs. I've
pasted mine below to give some reference(mines is listed as 'sdb').

2) make sure the filesystem on the USB disk isn't currently mounted
when using fdisk and mke2fs.

3) make sure your fdisk the device and not a partition, ie, /dev/sdb
and NOT /dev/sdb1 . And the device should NOT be mounted. Also,  fdisk
has problems w/ partitions(I believe it partitions and not devices)
over ~1.5 TB, but this shouldn't be a problem.

4) When you are using mke2fs, make sure it on the partition and NOT
the device. ie /dev/sdb1 and NOT /dev/sdb

5) I remember reading somewhere that 'dd' was being depreciated(or no
longer working properly) by the newer kernels. I can't find that
reference right now, but I do know I been have no luck in using dd on
cdrom/dvd's . this may be the problem w/ trying to wipe the partition
table.

6) try using [g]parted, it doens't have that 1.5 TB problem, and has
more tools you can use (change partition table ID's, labels, etc).
just an idea.

7) as Tom said, you could also try e2label.


hth, some

Steve


paste of relevant dmesg output:

[ 5800.818657] usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[ 5801.106588] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 5801.474555] usbcore: registered new interface driver libusual
[ 5801.425558] usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev
[ 5801.536481] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[ 5801.489445] input: Western Digital My Book as
/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.1/input/input13
[ 5801.498376] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.11 Device [Western Digital My
Book] on usb-0000:00:02.1-2
[ 5801.498406] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
[ 5801.498414] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c:
v2.6:USB HID core driver
[ 5801.616934] scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[ 5801.617331] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[ 5801.617337] USB Mass Storage support registered.
[ 5801.617794] usb-storage: device found at 3
[ 5801.617797] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[ 5805.774998] usb-storage: device scan complete
[ 5805.868917] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access     WD       My Book
  1028 PQ: 0 ANSI: 4
[ 5805.871032] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte hardware sectors (500108 MB)
[ 5805.882427] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[ 5805.882434] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 10 00 00 00
[ 5805.882437] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[ 5805.905041] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte hardware sectors (500108 MB)
[ 5805.918156] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[ 5805.918163] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 10 00 00 00
[ 5805.918166] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[ 5805.918174]  sdb: sdb1
[ 5805.919612] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
[ 5805.919658] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[ 5806.621586] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
[ 5806.553079] EXT3 FS on sdb1, internal journal
[ 5806.553089] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.



From nbs at sonic.net  Mon Jun 15 14:36:37 2009
From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:36:37 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [Semi-OT] Tomorrow (June 16) is "Tux Paint Day!"
Message-ID: <20090615213637.GH9033@sonic.net>


Tomorrow, Tue. June 16th, marks the 7th anniversary of the first
release of Tux Paint.  (Coding began only two days earlier, on June 14, 2002.
"Release early, release often." :^) )

I decided to declare it "Tux Paint Day," created an event on Facebook
and 'invited' all my friends, and sent an email out to the ~16,000 people
who are subscribed to the 'tuxpaint-news' mailing list.  And now I'm
telling you folks, the Linux User Groups.

The purpose of Tux Paint Day is simple: tell at least one person you know
about Tux Paint, the open source drawing program for kids:
http://www.tuxpaint.org/

Obviously, it's most useful if you tell someone who's a parent,
grandparent or teacher of appropriately-aged children (ages 3-12 or so).

And, while Tux Paint is open source and developed on Linux, and I'm posting
this to Linux User Groups, keep in mind that it also runs on Mac OS X and
Windows.  (All the way back to Win95... and Linux back to RedHat 6.2, too!)

For the little press release I whipped up in the wee hours of the night
last night, visit:

  http://www.tuxpaint.org/latest/tpday-200906.php3

Thanks for helping me spread the word!  (And, you know, feel free to tell
them about other Tux4Kids software, OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Linux, and
the other zillions of great and useful Free and Open Source software that's
out there for them!)

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer



From nbs at sonic.net  Tue Jun 16 12:13:06 2009
From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:13:06 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [Semi-OT] [fwd] VCF Archives: Last Desperate Plea for Help
	Moving
Message-ID: <20090616191306.GG8138@sonic.net>


FYI!

----- Forwarded message from Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com> -----

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:50:12 -0700
From: sellam at vintagetech.com (Sellam Ismail)
Subject: VCF Archives: Last Desperate Plea for Help Moving
To: bill at newbreedsoftware.com

Dear Friends of VCF,

Okay, so this is taking much longer than even my worst-case estimates
a couple weeks ago.  The sheer amount of stuff that has accumulated
since I moved in six years ago is a shock to me.  Whereas I had
thought that my collecting activity had subsided over the past several
years, I think now that if anything it perhaps dropped back a bit and
then plateaued.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised, as I've been saying
all along since I started my electronic recycling business that I'm
absolutely the wrong guy to be in such work because I can't help but
keep a lot of what comes through.  So six years of recycling old (but
not vintage :) electronics and skimming a bit off the top here and
there results in a warehouse filled with more crap than can be
possibly moved in four weeks.

So now, a fifth week is required, but even then I can only do it if I
can get a gaggle of VCF fans and friends to come out and lend one last
helping hand to push me over the top.  About 70% of the collection has
been moved, so these last few days will be critical to get the rest
out by this weekend.

And since I don't like to beg, I'll instead insert an endorsement from
Lee Felsenstein, who has most graciously offered me so far several
days of his valuable time to help me with my stupid moving project:

   Folks,

   I went out around 4:30 Sunday to help Sellam, as I have done
   twice before.  Unlike the other two times, no one else was
   there, and no one had come out that day. There were two pallet
   loads in the truck when I got there and seven plus two large
   pieces of equipment in the truck by 8:30 when we finished. I
   can't take more time during the rest of the week as I need to
   prepare for two talks in Australia.

   It's basic warehouse work - wrestling boxes off shelves onto
   pallets, packing junk in boxes, using a pallet jack to get the
   loaded pallets into the truck. If you know a high school
   student who'se not feeble you might consider bringing them to
   learn some of these skills, as well as see some stuff they
   never thought they'd see (bring, don't send them, as they'll
   need supervision).

   Sellam's not the first of us to underestimate the time a
   project will take.  He's got a baby on the way and he'll be
   needed at home when it arrives. We - not just he - will have
   to get this done before that overriding event. I urge you all
   to look at your busy schedules again and make some time
   available for getting this collection moved!

   Lee Felsenstein

Now, I don't want people to get the impression that I recklessly put
myself into a crappy situation and am expecting other people to spend
their time and energy helping dumb me, like a big dumb bank that makes
trillions of dollars in stupid loans and then when it all comes
inevitably crashing down expect the people to whom they are already
charging usury interest rates to bail them out.  No, I am not like
that.  My year started out with a vast reduction in income, followed
by a broken ankle, hampered by the dirty dealings of one bank and one
shyster, all of which was input into the computer of life and output
as a big mess of a warehouse that had to be moved in less time and
with less resources but at higher cost and at a greater distance than
was originally planned.  Yeah, I know, cue up the violins.

If you've enjoyed the VCF over the years and want to express your
thanks for the enormous effort that goes into producing each one,
please consider offering one hour of your time to help me get through
this last week so I can finally put the move behind me and have the
time I need to spend with my family as we welcome a new member,
hopefully towards the end of the saga!  The effort will be ongoing
through this Saturday and wrapping up by Sunday.  Most of the help is
needed sooner rather than later.

P.S. Many people have asked, "From where to where!?!?"  And I kept
forgetting to mention (but not this time):

FROM: Livermore, California
  TO: Stockton, California

I only need help on the Livermore side, but can always use a hand at
the Stockton end.  And anyone is welcome to come out to see the new
building, which is a historical artifact in its own right (having
been the first Cadillac dealership west of the Mississippi).

Thanks for reading.

Sellam Ismail
Schlepper (running on empty)
Vintage Computer Festival


----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 13:30:57 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:30:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Installfest this Sunday, June 21
Message-ID: <4b5781040906161330k29fe58d4xa9cac510590a569@mail.gmail.com>

There will be an installfest this Sunday, Fathers' Day, 10:00 a.m. to 5 pm
at a public middle school at Geary and Scott Streets in San Francisco.
There is ample free parking.  If you are interested in showing up and you
have questions, please feel free to call Christian Einfeldt at
415-351-1300.  On the day of the event, please also feel free to call Jeff
Shippen at 5O5-8O3-3456.  Please do not contact the school, as the principal
has delegated control over these types of activities to Christian Einfeldt,
and the staff will only be confused by phone calls.

It is recommended that you approach the school from the entrance to the
parking lot, which is located at the L-shaped intersection of Pierce and
O'Farrell.  Please do NOT attempt to gain entrance to this installfest by
going to the front of the school, as the school is huge, and you will just
get lost.  Instead, please call Christian Einfeldt or Jeff Shippen at the
above numbers on the day of the event to direct you to the Linux lab where
the work will be done.

The entrance to the school parking lot is located about 40 meters from the
corner of Pierce and O'Farrell, which is an L-shaped intersection.  Please
enter this search string into your favorite mapping service:

pierce & O'Farrell San Francisco

Agenda:
1) triaging, repairing, and installing Linux on old computers in storage at
the school
2) supporting the installation of Linux on old computers brought to the
school by newbies.

We have ample monitors, keyboards, and mice to support the installation of
Linux on old computers brought in by newbies.  We also have lots of distros
and screwdrivers; however, we encourage people to bring their own distro
collections due to the sheer size of the distro choices availabe.  We also
encourage people to bring their own screwdrivers, needle nose pliers, and
any other tools needed to work on legacy machines.

The computers will be deployed there at the school; or given to kids who
attend that school; or will be sent to Mexico, where GNOME Foundation
Executive Director Stormy Peters is building a Linux lab at a school:

http://www.stormyscorner.com/2009/01/setting-up-a-computer-lab-in-mexico.html

Summary:

What: installfest
Where: School parking lot at Pierce and O'Farrell
When: Sunday, June 21, from 10:00 am to 5 pm

Thanks either way for considering this request!
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From ewalstad at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 14:07:23 2009
From: ewalstad at gmail.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:07:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard drive?
	(jim) [sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
In-Reply-To: <1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <c436fcd20906161407y6ee9f320uf972edc7a35279f1@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jim,

The current issue of Linux Journal has an article[0] on hacking the
embedded linux running on the MyBook II.  Lots of results on
google[1], too.  Might be worth trying to gain root on the embedded os
and using its BusyBox shell to format the drive for you.

Good luck,

Eric.
[0] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10389

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:19 PM, jim<jim at well.com> wrote:
>
> responses in-line:
>
> On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 16:19 -0700, the_elkhorn at yahoo.com wrote:
>> Jim -
>> I suspect that the problem may be in the USB - to - actual hard disk
>> interface. Is your "1TB USB stand-alone hard drive with a vfat file
>> system and called itself "My Book"" a pre-packaged, "plug & pray"
>> device, or is it a 1TB disk stuffed into a USB to PATA (or SATA)
>> interface box?
>> If the former, it may be that the software (and cpu) on the "My Book"
>> device is preventing you from doing what you want.
>>
>> JS:
>> ? ?i can't answer that surely. it's a cute little
>> black box with a usb cable connecting it to my
>> laptop. i'm guessing "the former", and i'm
>> guessing you're right: some software-hardware
>> combo is in the way. it advertises that it works
>> with windows and mac, no mention of linux.
>>
>>
>> I took a look at WD's "My Book" web pages, and it seems like the box
>> is designed to work with Windows & Mac, do backups, etc. This implies
>> that there is a bunch of on-board software to talk to those systems,
>> especially as it has ?My Book Premium II Firmware Update - Mac and My
>> Book Premium II Firmware Update - PC links.
>> Likely, your linux isn't actually talking to the actual hard drive,
>> but to a virtual hard drive interface in the "My Book" box.
>> Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a linux version of the thing.
>> I would contact their customer support and find out what's going on.
>> At least, get an RMA and return it to them, as it doesn't suit your
>> needs.
>> If you don't mind voiding your warranty, open up the box and see what
>> kind of actual hard disk is in it (probably a SATA drive). Take the
>> disk out and plug it into your system and fdisk it directly.
>>
>> JS:
>> ? ?i'm tempted to "void the warrantee", and take
>> it apart. trouble is, how to connect it to my
>> laptop without voiding that warrantee, too?
>> ? ?it works as is. all the fdisk-ing in the
>> world probably won't do anything one way or
>> another. i'll try copying tons of files to the
>> thing and see if it'll reliably hold 200GB worth.
>> i'm guessing it'll hold them, tho' i'm not
>> guessing as to reliability.
>> ? ?the ?dd ?command failed: /dev/sdb wasn't
>> valid or wasn't there or some such.
>> ? ?i may bring it back to the store and hope
>> they credit me and/or sell me something else
>> that will work with linux: i.e. that i can
>> repartition as i please.
>> jim
>>
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Elkhorn
>>
>> - - -
>> I don't have "issues". I have a full subscription!
>> - - -
>> ?Roses are 0xff0000
>> ?Violets are 0x0000ff
>> ?All your base
>> ?Are belong to us



From ewalstad at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 14:09:00 2009
From: ewalstad at gmail.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:09:00 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard drive?
	(jim) [sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd20906161407y6ee9f320uf972edc7a35279f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
	<c436fcd20906161407y6ee9f320uf972edc7a35279f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c436fcd20906161409n2b435bf7m4ceddad0d7be0587@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Eric Walstad<ewalstad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Lots of results on
> google[1]
[1] http://www.google.com/search?q=hack+mybook



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Jun 16 14:45:02 2009
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:45:02 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] how to use fdisk to repartition a 1TB USB hard
	drive?	(jim) [sf-lug Digest, Vol 41, Issue 8]
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd20906161407y6ee9f320uf972edc7a35279f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <613414.74906.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1244949589.6649.27.camel@jim-laptop>
	<c436fcd20906161407y6ee9f320uf972edc7a35279f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090616214502.GJ26092@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Eric Walstad (ewalstad at gmail.com):

> The current issue of Linux Journal has an article[0] on hacking the
> embedded linux running on the MyBook II.  Lots of results on
> google[1], too.  Might be worth trying to gain root on the embedded os
> and using its BusyBox shell to format the drive for you.

Ah, so it's _not_ just the USB-connected hard drive alluded to upthread,
but rather an embedded system.  Much strangeness is now at least
partially explained.




From einfeldt at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 18:19:38 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:19:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Promotion for a local Linux company
Message-ID: <4b5781040906161819s3dc1c644mfdb512071a2ed5c7@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

I am sure that many of you have met the Malmrose family.  They contribute
lots to our local Linux events.  Below is a story about the Malmrose's
company, ZaReason.  It is a review of a product that ZaReason is selling.
If you wanted to digg this story, it would be a painless way to help a local
Linux vendor.  Thanks either way for considering this request.

http://digg.com/linux_unix/Review_ZaReason_Ion_Breeze_3770_Linux_PC
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From nbs at sonic.net  Tue Jun 16 19:30:12 2009
From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:30:12 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Promotion for a local Linux company
In-Reply-To: <4b5781040906161819s3dc1c644mfdb512071a2ed5c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b5781040906161819s3dc1c644mfdb512071a2ed5c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090617023012.GA1898@sonic.net>

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 06:19:38PM -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
>    hi,
> 
>    I am sure that many of you have met the Malmrose family.  They contribute
>    lots to our local Linux events.  Below is a story about the Malmrose's
>    company, ZaReason.  It is a review of a product that ZaReason is selling. 
>    If you wanted to digg this story, it would be a painless way to help a
>    local Linux vendor.  Thanks either way for considering this request.
> 
>    http://digg.com/linux_unix/Review_ZaReason_Ion_Breeze_3770_Linux_PC

Plus, Cathy makes a great speaker at LUGs. ;)

(She came to LUGOD last November, and it was great.
See: http://lugod.org/meeting/past/2008.11.17.php
Look for links towards the bottom for photos of the event,
and her presentation slides (11MB OPD))

-- 
-bill!
Sent from my computer



From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 16 20:13:43 2009
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Promotion for a local Linux company
Message-ID: <718507.80993.qm@web110616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Tue, 6/16/09, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Review_ZaReason_Ion_Breeze_3770_Linux_PC
> 

The computer discussed does not appear on the ZaReason site (at least I couldn't find it there.) Is it available?




      



From bliss at sfo.com  Tue Jun 16 22:16:18 2009
From: bliss at sfo.com (Bobbie Sellers)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:16:18 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Promotion for a local Linux company
In-Reply-To: <718507.80993.qm@web110616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <718507.80993.qm@web110616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A387C22.5090900@sfo.com>

Alex Kleider wrote:
> --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Review_ZaReason_Ion_Breeze_3770_Linux_PC
>>
>>     
>
> The computer discussed does not appear on the ZaReason site (at least I couldn't find it there.) Is it available?
>
>   

    Try at this url.

    http://www.zareason.com/shop/home.php

    And this is the lower end version of the Atom by the way.  The 330 is
dual core.

    later
    Bobbie Sellers



From a_kleider at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 17 06:01:05 2009
From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:01:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-lug] Promotion for a local Linux company
Message-ID: <454157.38167.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


My mistake; for some reason I thought the discussion was about a laptop and didn't look at the desktop section at all.
a_kleider at yahoo.com


--- On Tue, 6/16/09, Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com> wrote:

> From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss at sfo.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Promotion for a local Linux company
> To: alex at kleico.net, "SF-LUG" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:16 PM
> Alex Kleider wrote:
> > --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> >???
> >> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Review_ZaReason_Ion_Breeze_3770_Linux_PC
> >> 
> >>? ???
> > 
> > The computer discussed does not appear on the ZaReason
> site (at least I couldn't find it there.) Is it available?
> > 
> >???
> 
> ???Try at this url.
> 
> ???http://www.zareason.com/shop/home.php
> 
> ???And this is the lower end version of the
> Atom by the way.? The 330 is
> dual core.
> 
> ???later
> ???Bobbie Sellers
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sf-lug mailing list
> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug
> 


      



From bill at wards.net  Thu Jun 18 12:00:05 2009
From: bill at wards.net (bill at wards.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:00:05 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] NEXT WEEK: PenLUG meeting 06/25/2009
Message-ID: <E1MHMqD-0008E4-Cn@mail.westernweb.com>

PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS:

   +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |Date:    |Thursday, June 25, 2009                                       |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |Time:    |6:00 - 8:00 PM                                                |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |         |Bayshore Technology Park                                      |
   |Location:|1300 Island Drive                                             |
   |         |Redwood City, CA 94065                                        |
   |         |Suite 106 - Training Room                                     |
   |---------+--------------------------------------------------------------|
   |RSVP:    |Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=95629246883 or|
   |         |mail rsvp at penlug.org                                          |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------------+

   Agenda:

     * 6:00 PM Free pizza arrives
     * 6:15 PM Free book giveaways or other prizes
     * 6:30 PM Presentation begins
     * 8:00 PM Meeting ends

  Eddy Mulyono, ".rpm .deb .ebuild .tgz OMG!" - the state of packaging across
  Linux OSes

   In ".rpm .deb .ebuild .tgz OMG!", Eddy will be looking at the current
   state of packaging across distros (Ubuntu, Gentoo, rPath), lessons
   learned, and what's next.

  Eddy Mulyono

   pythonista, djangonaut, ubuntero, catholic choir-boy

RSVP

  Although it is not required, we like to have an idea of how many
  people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you
  are planning to attend.

GETTING THERE

  For information on getting to the meeting, please see:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Island+Drive,+Redwood+City,+CA
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/DrivingDirectionsQualys
      http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/TransitDirectionsQualys

  Traffic on 101 can be pretty bad in the evening, so we encourage you
  to check traffic conditions before driving by dialing 5-1-1 on your
  phone or visiting www.511.org, and if possible to take public transit
  (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting.

MORE INFORMATION

  See www.penlug.org for more information.


This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists:
	members at penlug.org
	announce at penlug.org
	sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
	balug-talk at lists.balug.org
	svlug at lists.svlug.org
	svevents at yahoogroups.com
	vox at lists.lugod.org

  Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes.



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 12:27:08 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:27:08 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Reminder, Installfest this Sunday,
	June 21 from 10 am to 5 pm
Message-ID: <4b5781040906191227sed84e81m3f415a3f50738341@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

This is a reminder that there will be an installfest this Sunday, Fathers'
Day, 10:00 a.m. to 5 pm at a public middle school at Geary and Scott Streets
in San Francisco.  There is ample free parking.  If you are interested in
showing up and you have questions, please feel free to call Christian
Einfeldt at 415-351-1300.  On the day of the event, please also feel free to
call Jeff Shippen at 5O5-8O3-3456.  Please do not contact the school, as the
principal has delegated control over these types of activities to Christian
Einfeldt, and the staff will only be confused by phone calls.

It is recommended that you approach the school from the entrance to the
parking lot, which is located at the L-shaped intersection of Pierce and
O'Farrell.  Please do NOT attempt to gain entrance to this installfest by
going to the front of the school, as the school is huge, and you will just
get lost.  Instead, please call Christian Einfeldt or Jeff Shippen at the
above numbers on the day of the event to direct you to the Linux lab where
the work will be done.

The entrance to the school parking lot is located about 40 meters from the
corner of Pierce and O'Farrell, which is an L-shaped intersection.  Please
enter this search string into your favorite mapping service:

pierce & O'Farrell San Francisco

Agenda:
1) triaging, repairing, and installing Linux on old computers in storage at
the school
2) supporting the installation of Linux on old computers brought to the
school by newbies.

We have ample monitors, keyboards, and mice to support the installation of
Linux on old computers brought in by newbies.  We also have lots of distros
and screwdrivers; however, we encourage people to bring their own distro
collections due to the sheer size of the distro choices availabe.  We also
encourage people to bring their own screwdrivers, needle nose pliers, and
any other tools needed to work on legacy machines.

The computers will be deployed there at the school; or given to kids who
attend that school; or will be sent to Mexico, where GNOME Foundation
Executive Director Stormy Peters is building a Linux lab at a school:

http://www.stormyscorner.com/2009/01/setting-up-a-computer-lab-in-mexico.html

Summary:

What: installfest
Where: School parking lot at Pierce and O'Farrell
When: Sunday, June 21, from 10:00 am to 5 pm

Thanks either way for considering this request!
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From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Jun 19 22:56:41 2009
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:56:41 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Join Linux Global Meeting Sunday June 21 using VOIP -
	BerkeleyTIP
Message-ID: <1245477401.11174.1321301541@webmail.messagingengine.com>

ChristianE - have your installfest volunteers at the school this Sunday 21 bring headsets & join with the global Linux community. :)

====
Join the friendly Linux Global [& ALL FREE SW HW & CULTURE]
community Meeting:
this Sunday, June 21, using VOIP,
10A - 6P Pacific USA time [GMT - 8? 7? hours] =
 1P - 9P Eastern USA = 
 6P - 2A??? GMT  - Daylight savings correction? +7 hours?

at the BerkeleyTIP Global Free SW HW & Culture meeting
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/

CONNECT VIA VOIP (& IRC):
Join IRC channel #berkeleytip on freenode.net,
& we'll help get you connected on VOIP.
Have a VOIP headset.
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance

LOCAL MEETING NEW LOCATION:
Free speech cafe closed Sundays in summer.  Watch the BTIP local list for final in person UCB meeting location details:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIP

GENERIC HOURLY SCHEDULE, &
MARK YOUR CALENDAR - NEXT 3 MEETINGS:
Sun June 21, Sat July 4, Sun July 19
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/schedule

Join the mailing list, introduce yourself, tell us what projects you are interested in, invite others to join your project:
BTIP-Global
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

=====
HOT TOPICs:
Oracle owns OpenOffice & MySQL - What help is needed?
KDE 4 aps need work - especially Calendar?!
Open Hardware - Robotics?
POLL:  ** How about 2x per month Weekday Evening BTIP-Global Meetings? **
  1) The Wednesday & Thursday _after_ the BTIP weekend meetings?
  2) The Monday & Tuesday _before_ the BTIP weekend meetings?
  3) Other? Your suggestions? 
 - Join the mailing list & send in your opinions/thoughts/suggestions.

GROUP PROJECT - Asterisk VOIP conference server:
We've now got our own Asterisk VOIP conference server. 
[Thanks, Windsor & Jack!  :)  ]
Help:
 - get a user channel members status page working
 - get SIP & Skype ability?
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance


YOUR PROJECT - LET US KNOW, GET SOME VOLUNTEER HELP:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


VIDEOS - OPPORTUNITY - FINDER VOLUNTEER NEEDED
No videos this month, cause David & I are too busy.  Do you want to find some for us all to watch?  Check out this link, email the list & let us know you'd like to volunteer. :)
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos

See the mailing lists for the latest info/changes:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/mailing-lists

JOIN THE ANNOUNCEMENT LIST - 1 or 2 announcements per month:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPAnc


FOR FORWARDING:
You are invited to forward this message to anywhere appropriate.



From einfeldt at gmail.com  Sun Jun 21 10:40:25 2009
From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:40:25 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] Installfest today! Pierce & O'Farrell
Message-ID: <4b5781040906211040n7af04609w34ab75fa373bb744@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

This is a reminder that there will be an installfest today, Fathers' Day,
10:00 a.m. to 5 pm at a public middle school at Geary and Scott Streets in
San Francisco.  There is ample free parking.  If you are interested in
showing up and you have questions, please feel free to call Christian
Einfeldt at 415-351-1300.  Please also feel free to call Jeff Shippen at
5O5-8O3-3456.  Please do not contact the school, as the principal has
delegated control over these types of activities to Christian Einfeldt, and
the staff will only be confused by phone calls.

It is recommended that you approach the school from the entrance to the
parking lot, which is located at the L-shaped intersection of Pierce and
O'Farrell.  Please do NOT attempt to gain entrance to this installfest by
going to the front of the school, as the school is huge, and you will just
get lost.  Instead, please call Christian Einfeldt or Jeff Shippen at the
above numbers on the day of the event to direct you to the Linux lab where
the work will be done.

The entrance to the school parking lot is located about 40 meters from the
corner of Pierce and O'Farrell, which is an L-shaped intersection.  Please
enter this search string into your favorite mapping service:

pierce & O'Farrell San Francisco

Agenda:
1) triaging, repairing, and installing Linux on old computers in storage at
the school
2) supporting the installation of Linux on old computers brought to the
school by newbies.

We have ample monitors, keyboards, and mice to support the installation of
Linux on old computers brought in by newbies.  We also have lots of distros
and screwdrivers; however, we encourage people to bring their own distro
collections due to the sheer size of the distro choices availabe.  We also
encourage people to bring their own screwdrivers, needle nose pliers, and
any other tools needed to work on legacy machines.

The computers will be deployed there at the school; or given to kids who
attend that school; or will be sent to Mexico, where GNOME Foundation
Executive Director Stormy Peters is building a Linux lab at a school:

http://www.stormyscorner.com/2009/01/setting-up-a-computer-lab-in-mexico.html

Summary:

What: installfest
Where: School parking lot at Pierce and O'Farrell
When: Sunday, June 21, from 10:00 am to 5 pm

Thanks either way for considering this request!
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From jim at well.com  Mon Jun 22 14:41:07 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:41:07 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday June 25, 2009: Abstraction
Message-ID: <1245706867.6649.579.camel@jim-laptop>


BayPIGgies meeting Thursday June 25, 2009: Abstraction    

NOTE BayPIGgies meets at the Symantec Vcafe, 
at Symantec's location at 350 Ellis Street in Mountain View. 
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

Tonight's talk is 
* Abstraction 
by Alex Martelli  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Martelli 


Meetings start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of an 
essential Python feature, specially for those new to Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: None 


LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://baypiggies.net/new/plone



------------------------ Agenda ------------------------
 
..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, 
any first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:35 PM ................

Newbie Nugget: none  


..... 7:35 PM to 8:55 PM ................

Abstraction 
by Alex Martelli 

Abstraction is a powerful servant, but a dangerous master. We code,
design, think, debug ... on a tower of abstractions. Spolsky's Law
tells us that "All abstractions leak". This talk explores why they
leak, why that's often a problem, what to do about it; I also cover
why sometimes abstractions SHOULD "leak", and how best to produce 
and consume abstraction layers.


..... 8:55 PM to 9:20 PM  ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics 
the announcers are interested in. 

Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up 
individually on the announcements and other topics of 
interest.





From john_re at fastmail.us  Tue Jun 23 00:06:56 2009
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:06:56 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] July 4 - VOLUNTEERS FOR Berkeley MARINA FAIR GNU(Linux)
 BerkeleyTIP BOOTH? RSVP %!
Message-ID: <1245740816.22604.1321705207@webmail.messagingengine.com>

This is an announcement, & request for RSVP, about a possible "sponsored by BerkeleyTIP" Free SW HW or Culture or GNU(Linux) event.  :)

==
Hi Everyone - Would you be interested in helping out for an hour at a booth to demo any Free SW HW or Culture or GNU(Linux) at the July 4 fair at the Berkeley Marina?  Free, fun for the whole family, & fireworks included.  :)

Below is the message I just sent to the BTIP list to gauge interest & volunteer level.  If you'd be interested, please probabilistic RSVP (explained below) to either me or one of the BTIP lists.  You can email the BTIP lists directly even if you aren't subscribed, & we'll forward the message through.  You can also subscribe to the lists.  :)

Maybe you can reply on this list, & people can get a carpool together to drive to Berkeley. :)  Prepend "Carpool" to the subject line.

Global mailing list - for everyone interested in BTIP
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
  BerkTIPGlobal at googlegroups.com

Local list - pertaining to "in Berkeley" info
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIP
  BerkTIP at googlegroups.com

Website:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/

=====================================================================
=====  Message sent to the BTIP list:

July 4 is next meeting. No holiday for BTIP on the US holiday!  :)

How about having the July 4 BTIP meeting & a booth at the "4TH OF JULY @ Berkeley Marina"?  See below for the details.

=====  First, the message as I started out writing it:

So, I'm wondering about particulars for the meeting, both locally & globally (or at least USA nationally).

David said he thought attendance might be very small due to the holiday.  Perhaps.  But, it could conceivably be the same or larger.

BTIP could use the occasion to have our first potluck party.  We could invite people from all over to come by for a special event, ala the Linux Picnic, held annually at Sunnyvale Baylands park (IIRC) in August.

We could even hold the event not on the campus, but at the Berkeley Marina.  The Marina (boats & fishing off the pier) has a big (5-50 acres?) grassy park, where kite flying is a big activity (& a guy has a business selling all kinds of kites there.  In fact, later in july is the International Kite Flying Competition at the marina).  I think sailboarders start out from there too.

For a number of years, the city of Berkeley has held a kinda free fair there on July 4, with booths for food, & displays, & rides, & all that fair kind of stuff, & fireworks in the evening.

I just realized, perhaps BTIP could make a booth there (if it's not too late to register for one) & do GNU(Linux) demos for the community.

The event/marina is right near the Berkeley Caltrain station, & BART & Buses & Cars & Bikes are all ways to get there.


===== OK, I checked it out, & it might be possible to have a booth there.
http://www.anotherbullwinkelshow.com/4th-of-july/4th-of-july.html

http://www.anotherbullwinkelshow.com/4th-of-july/press-4th/PR-4th-Free-NP-Booth.html
Re: 4th of July @ the Berkeley Marina 2009
PRESS RELEASE
FREE BOOTH SPACE FOR ORGANIZATIONS
AT 4TH OF JULY @ THE BERKELEY MARINA

A free 10x10 booth space for non-profit organizations distributing information only is available at the 4th of July celebration at the Berkeley Marina. Please send an email to moose1 (at) anotherbullwinkelshow.com for an application or call 510.548.5335.

Attendance estimate from 5000 at Noon to 120,000 at 930 PM  (john_re comment: I'm doubting 100K people show up!  Maybe that many do???  I'd guess 10-30K?)


===== So, this seems like it might be an interesting/fun/educational/productive idea.

So, we've got 11 days  -
CAN WE GET SOME VOLUNTEERS TO DO GNU(LINUX) OR BSD DEMOS AT A BOOTH?

Once again, my almost favorite thing about BTIP:
  - PROBABILISTIC RSVP's!!! :)


=====  PLEASE PROBABILISTIC RSVP % IF YOU CAN VOLUNTEER JULY 4

Please REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE RIGHT NOW with a probabilistic RSVP to me, or this list, if there is a 50% or greater chance you think you'll attend this meeting physically at the Berkeley Marina, & help volunteer for 1 hour (or more) at a BTIP booth there.  Thanks.  :)

Probabilistic RSVP concept / percent correspondence:
 50% = Possibly
 75% = Likely
100% = Definitely

Please prepend your probability # to the Subject line. Ex:
"75% RSVP July 4 - VOLUNTEERS FOR Berkeley MARINA FAIR GNU(Linux) BTIP BOOTH?"

Note: RSVPing isn't _necessary_ for you to attend - it _is_ _very_helpful_ for planning.  :)   If you haven't RSVP'd by the event, please _do_ come.  Thanks. :)


=====  If I get a few high probabilities quickly I'll make it the official meeting, & we can make a signup sheet for 1's or more hours at the table, as a web page on the BTIP site.


=====  Here's a pdf about tables at the event.  It is for nonprofit "vendors".  We have nothing to sell, so the vending aspect (such as fee) doesn't apply to us, but it has useful info such as about the tables, stuff to bring, etc.

Non-profit vendor application (pdf)
http://www.anotherbullwinkelshow.com/4th-of-july/4th-vendor/App-Non-Profit.pdf
http://www.anotherbullwinkelshow.com/vendors.html


======  Berkeley 4th of July Free Fair at Marina
http://www.anotherbullwinkelshow.com/4th-of-july/4th-of-july.html

The 4th of July is a great day to have a lot of fun. The biggest party is on the South Shore of the Berkeley Marina from noon-10PM. There?s music, dancers, jugglers all for free! Adventure Playground, always a favorite, is open 11am-8pm. Sign up for an old-fashioned sack race, create a nature sculpture with environmental artist Zach Pine, or get your face painted. Try the giant slide or splash in the water at the beach!

There?s live entertainment from noon until 9PM on the main stage including MotorDude Zydeco, Suhaila Bellydance Company, Mo?Fone, and guitarist Steven Gary. Other entertainers around the marina include Tropical Sounds Steel Drums, UCA Capoeira, Failure to Disperse, Afro Cuban Rumba Drumming, Fred Anderson Comedy Explosion, and Coventry & Kaluza Clowns. There?s art & craft booths, massages, free sailboat rides from 1-4pm, dragon boat rides from 2-6pm, and muchmore including the grand fireworks off the end of the Berkeley Pier at 9:30pm.

Let?s hear it for the red, white, and blue
but keep it green, too. The party shouldn?t leave the environment trashed. If you can, bring your own dishes ? Frisbees double as plates! A bandana is your cloth napkin to use at all of the international food booths. With water stations located around the event, you can refill your own reusable bottle and keep a lot of plastic out of the landfill. Be sure to use the recycling stations located throughout the marina for your disposables.

Ride your bike over the Berkeley Bicycle Overpass and park for free near Adventure Playground, courtesy of the East Bay Bicycle Coalition. Or take Caltrain, or take AC Transit from the Downtown Berkeley BART station. To leave on AC Transit, walk out over the freeway overpass after the fireworks to University and 5th St.

Free admission. Alcohol-free event. Free valet bicycle parking. No cars after 7pm.

Sponsored by the City of Berkeley. City of Berkeley
Produced by Another Bullwinkel Show


=====  SOME ACTIVITIES TO DO IN BERKELEY:
http://www.anotherbullwinkelshow.com/4th-of-july/4th-entertainment.html

http://www.visitberkeley.com/
http://www.visitberkeley.com/calendar.cfm#July%202009
http://www.visitberkeley.com/things_to_do.cfm


=====
http://www.anotherbullwinkelshow.com/about.html
Another Bullwinkel Show :: Events Management :: East Bay
About Another Bullwinkel Show

We put on real Badenov events, business socials, theme parties, picnics, parades, and even street festivals. We?ve got the scoop on the local scene, where to go and what to do -- real Mr. Know-It-Alls. We promise to Do-Right by you!

Yes, my real last name is Bullwinkel! It?s been a ton of fun my whole life and I bring that along to any event that I produce. I?ve been throwing parties since I was a kid ? ours was the house where all of the parties happened in town, until our pool caved in from too many people doing cannonballs off the side one night!

It is not a fractured fairy tale that I was a professional ballerina for many years. So I bring an artistic sensibility to every event I produce. My biggest thrill is providing a format so your guests can be creative in a way they never thought possible. This makes my events a big hit! And memorable!

I can help you market your business district, even if it is in Moosylvania! I have a background in community and economic development from my time as the Executive Director of a large merchant association in Berkeley and Albany, CA. There, I installed a Business Improvement District and built the Solano Avenue Stroll, the East Bay?s largest street festival. The Stroll was designated a National Local Legacy and is housed in the Library of Congress. I've produced lots of other events, including the 4th of July for the City of Berkeley complete with fireworks.

If you?re a non-profit organization, I can pull a rabbit out of my hat to help you fundraise. I even have mailing labels for sale with over 900 local businesses and restaurants plus museums and attractions statewide, or lists of local VIPS to invite to your events, or press lists for your media needs.

So even if your name isn?t Rocky, give a call
 make that a moose call so we can really hear it!
Lisa Bullwinkel
Hoopla Coordinator
Another Bullwinkel Show


=====  Comments, questions, RSVPs?
Please reply to me, john_re at the sending email for this announcement, or to the BTIP lists.  Thanks. :)



From jim at well.com  Wed Jun 24 21:47:50 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:47:50 -0700
Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: Invitation to Linux.com]
Message-ID: <1245905270.6580.125.camel@jim-laptop>



My name is Brian Proffitt, Community Manager for the Linux Foundation. I
wanted to invite the members of the San Francisco LUG to visit and join
the new Linux.com site. There, you can use our community tools and
features to help communicate with current and potential new members.

As members of Linux.com, you can:
      * Create a Group for your LUG that will allow you to organize
        events, share new ideas, and reach out to Linux users.
      * Use our Events calendar to advertise events; eventually our site
        will match local visitors to Linux.com to events in their area.
      * Tap into our Forums to give your members access to updated Linux
        help and support
I hope you will find Linux.com useful for your organization, and please
let us know if there's other ways we can assist you! 

-- 
Brian Proffitt
Community Manager
Linux Foundation

AIM: StartXScribe
Please note work e-mail: brian at linux.com

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