[sf-lug] building liquid cooled PCs in SF?

Thomas DiZoglio tomdiz at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 15 10:26:51 PST 2009


I agree with you. You have more problems with the system you bought not being built properly. You lost 2 CPUs and that is unacceptable. I do not know where these systems are stored, maybe in a closet without proper ventilation. It seems to me that you have built a computer that doesn't have the proper amount of fans in it and the case is not right either. You have a lot of issues going on here and I do not think liquid cooling is the correct fix, but maybe it is. I can't tell though 2 emails. You might have a system with 4 hard drives in a RAID config, dual/quad core 2 CPU, 1U box, etc.  Though I don't know anything about what the machine is like, power supply requirements, case size, environment (data center or home), motherboard CPU. I ask these questions because they should all be taken into account. You had someone build you this system and maybe they spec'ed it out. I hope you didn't get ripe off, but it happens a lot in this industry. I do not want
 to get in a email back and forth thing on this list either. I'm fine with your setup if you are. I would be more than happy to take a look at it and make recommendations. I would even build you a new liquid cooled system. All for free too. Let me know what you want to do.
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t0md


--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Blake Haggerty <Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com> wrote:

> From: Blake Haggerty <Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com>
> Subject: RE: [sf-lug] building liquid cooled PCs in SF?
> To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> Cc: tomdiz at yahoo.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:42 PM
> Yes they make silent fans..
> 
>  
> 
> Still doesnt address the problem that I lost two CPU's
> to overheating (not overclocked...) Maybe there is a problem
> somewhere else in the case with heat transfer or the tech
> that told me they died due to heat issues was wrong; but
> liqiud cooling has seemed to solve the problem. I wouldnt
> call it a waste, if it did nothing then it would be a waste,
> but it continues to cool the CPU and does a better job of
> it. Just as a Mercedes continues to drive it just does a
> better job of it. 
> 
> Blake Haggerty
> 
> Permanent Placement Specialist
> 
> Sapphire Technologies U.S., a Randstad company
> 
> 27 Maiden Lane
> 
> San Francisco, CA 94108
> 
> (p) (415) 788-8488
> 
> (f) (415) 788-2592
> 
> www.sapphirena.com
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:Thomas DiZoglio tomdiz at yahoo.com 
> To: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" , "Blake
> Haggerty" ;
> Sent: Jan 14, 2009 04:21:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] building liquid cooled PCs in SF?
> 
> They sell fans that make no noise for 1/2 the price of a
> liquid cooling system. I have run home servers and non-over
> clocked game machines with these fans for 24/7 and they have
> had no problems. If you don't overclock liquid cooling
> is a waste of $. But then again people have $ to waste. 
> --------------------- 
> t0md 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Blake Haggerty wrote: 
> 
> > From: Blake Haggerty 
> > Subject: RE: [sf-lug] building liquid cooled PCs in
> SF? 
> > To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com 
> > Cc: tomdiz at yahoo.com, dcstein77 at gmail.com 
> > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 2:51 PM 
> > My primary machine is liquid cooled... I thought it
> was 
> > pretty easy to do. That all being said If you have
> never 
> > built your own machine or replaced parts...etc i could
> see 
> > how it would be difficult. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't really have a true need for it being
> liquid 
> > cooled, my processor is not overclocked. The reason I
> did it 
> > is I felt that most processor fans are noisy, and the
> pump 
> > for the coolant that I bought was dead silent. On top
> of 
> > that I have had processor chips die on me and when I
> had the 
> > chip looked at I was told it was a heat issue. So I
> figured 
> > I'll just liquid cool it to play it safe. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > My machine is on 24hrs a day I play first person
> shooters 
> > on it (yes on Linux) like Urban Terror, I rip Blu-Rays
> and 
> > watch those while allot of other stuff is going on in
> the 
> > background so maybe that is the stress and heat being 
> > created and why I have had chips fail. But I have
> never 
> > overclocked my processor. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't think overclocking is a prerequisite to
> liquid 
> > cooling a machine. If you want to do it half of the
> fun is 
> > putting it together. It all comes down to your skill
> level, 
> > what is it? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Liquid cooling your PC is like Pimp My Ride for
> computers 
> > its not always necessary but its cool. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Best Regards, 
> > 
> > 
> > Blake Haggerty 
> > 
> > Permanent Placement Specialist 
> > 
> > Sapphire Technologies U.S., a Randstad company 
> > 
> > 27 Maiden Lane 
> > 
> > San Francisco, CA 94108 
> > 
> > (p) (415) 788-8488 
> > 
> > (f) (415) 788-2592 
> > 
> > www.sapphirena.com 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From:Thomas DiZoglio tomdiz at yahoo.com 
> > To: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" , "David 
> > Stein" ; 
> > Sent: Jan 14, 2009 12:49:40 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] building liquid cooled PCs in
> SF? 
> > 
> > Why do you want to do this?? I know why windows gamers
> want 
> > too for overclocking. I suggest only doing it if you
> really 
> > have a need for it. Overclocking effects the life of
> your 
> > machine and voids all warranties. I have done several 
> > systems in the past for windows gamers and I could
> help you. 
> > It is very expensive to do this and if you are not 
> > overclocking there is no need for liquid cooling.
> There are 
> > other cooling options available. 
> > 
> > Also, verify that your motherboard can be overclocked 
> > first. Usually only hi-end motherboards allow
> overclocking 
> > effectively. If you do not have a real need for
> overclocking 
> > I suggest not doing it. Are you building a Linux
> server that 
> > needs to be overclocked? 
> > 
> > Right now, I recommend ASUS boards with the new Intel 
> > Nehalem quad core CPU, Intel X58 chipset and DDR3
> 1600Mhz 
> > support. They have a nice external USB overclocking
> LCD 
> > device that connects to the motherboard to help 
> > overclocking, though the auto mode is best. 
> > ----------------------- 
> > t0md 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, David Stein wrote: 
> > 
> > > From: David Stein 
> > > Subject: [sf-lug] building liquid cooled PCs in
> SF? 
> > > To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com 
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 12:24 PM 
> > > Hi all, 
> > > 
> > > A lurker here. I'm looking for a place in SF
> or 
> > the 
> > > area which has 
> > > experience building liquid cooled PCs. I know
> this is 
> > > slightly 
> > > off-topic, but I figured many sf-lug readers
> might be 
> > into 
> > > this kind 
> > > of thing and would have advice. I have a fan
> cooled 
> > Linux 
> > > PC right 
> > > now and would just like to drop it off with
> someone 
> > who 
> > > could convert 
> > > it all to liquid cooled. Any advice? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks, 
> > > 
> > > David 
> > > 
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