From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Jul 1 02:18:17 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:18:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Berkeley TIP - Great 1st Meeting Success Report - July5 Sat Next Mtg Message-ID: <1214903897.30785.1261254819@webmail.messagingengine.com> Contents: Berkeley BSD / GNU-Linux Talks Installfeest Potluck (TIP) 1) June 7 - 1st Meeting - Summary 2) July 5 Saturday - Next (2nd) Meeting - Some preliminary info ===== Hi everyone - We had a great first meeting. I hope you can come to our Great Improved second Meeting on July 5 Saturday - more info in a soon upcoming announcement. Since people came from most of the LUG's & sw group mailing lists I posted the first meeting announcement to, I just wanted to let you all know how the meeting went, and to give you a heads up awareness & invite you to our next meeting. Next (2nd) Meeting: July 5 Saturday, 10AM-6PM, Berkeley CARPOOL CARPOOL CARPOOL! I'm about to set up a google group for the meeting. So for now, you can follow progress on the buug.org mailing list: http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-July/thread.html ===== First Berkeley - TIP Meeting Summary/Report We had a fantastic first meeting. I created this event as an unpaid, unreimbursed, "volunteer for the community" effort, in my part time, on very short notice, on my own, without any assistance, with no $ but that out of my pocket, when I have a number of primary responsibilities & other things to do with my time. In less than 2.5 weeks we went from non existence to having 12 people attending from as far as Sacramento & Pleasanton, 75% of the announcements going out and 60% attendees coming with only about 24 hours advance notice - the BSD / GNU-Linux attendees are very capable people. Thanks to the preparedness, effort & enginuity of the attendees we had electric power, networking & net access. We enjoyed conversations, people doing installs & system improvements, a beautiful summer veranda afternoon at UCB's Free Speech Cafe, and discussion, idea input, & improving suggestions for next month's meeting. My personal hopes & goals before the meeting had been: 1 person besides me attend = that would be a success. 4 people attend = fantastic success 10 people attend = flabbergasting success. I posted a note on the mailing list 12 hours before the meeting with the latest details. 14 people came for the meeting. The first one apparently didn't find the open building entrances, and didn't meet the second arrival, and both left before the third attendee arrived at 12:40 PM, for a meeting I had announced as running from 12N - 6PM. The third person had plugged his laptop into an outlet in the hall & was hard at work on his actual work when I arrived about 12:50PM. About another 5 people arrived in about the next 15 minutes. Several more in the next 20 minutes. The rest scattered throughout the next several hours. One of our attendees, a CS grad student, from Sacramento, is working on a Google Summer of Code project, http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ossim/about.html and gave a us a 4 minute mini talk about that project. Our youngest attendee was a high school senior & GNU-Linux enthusiast from Pleasanton, who came with his father, an EE who had attended UCBerkeley. He was also the first person to offer to give a talk at a future meeting, on the Digital Mars D Programming Language. [UCB needs to offer this guy a scholarship quick!] Our oldest attendee was a retired physicist who described himself as currently a hobbyist & volunteer sysadmin for various non-profit organizations. We had the following attendees who heard about the meeting from these groups, and came from these cities: Bay Area Debian 2 Moraga, ?? Bay Python 1 San Francisco NBLUG 1 Berkeley SVLUG 3 Plesanton, Hollister LUGOD 1 Sacramento UCBOCF 1 Berkeley BUUG 4 2 Berkeley, Concord?, ??, Oakland The two attendees who arrived & left before I arrived came from SVLUG & BUUG/BAD list announcements. Probabilistic prior RSVP % attendance was ~5?? Actual arrivals = 14 Prob Multiplier = 2.75?? I encouraged everyone who came from out of town to post carpool notices to their local groups for the next meeting, to save gas, save $, enjoy conversation on the trip to & from, & make it easier for others to attend. We had 1 high school senior, 2 undergrads, one grad student, one to be grad student. We had academic backgrounds: CS, EE, Linguistics, BioInformatics, Physics, Math, that I remember. We had at least two consulting programmers or internet infrastructure developers, and many systems administrators, and several hobbyists. potluck - 2 people, 3rd later suggested order pizza & probably doesn't know he has come up with an idea that LUGOD uses at their installfests. The president of SacLUG saw my notice on LUGOD & forwarded it to SacLUG - thank you. Two people came for installfest help & got it - one for X windows config, another for Ubuntu? install help. We didn't even get started on my goal of establishing a test video stream. Several people posted meeting summary & feedback on BUUG & SVLUG. That's great - thank you. If everyone would post a short summary of this meeting announcement to their group's mailing list, that would be fantastic - maybe it would encourage others from that group to attend July 5, & raise carpool awareness. I wish to thank everyone for attending & contributing, the mailing list maintainers where I posted announcements, & extra thanks to Michael Paoli for cleanup help! ===== July 5 Saturday - 2nd Meeting B-TIP - Preliminary Announcement/Info ======= Meet probably at UCB Berkeley, 10AM - 6PM, Evans Hall. Installfest, Talks, Potluck, ProgrammingParty CARPOOL CARPOOL CARPOOL - Post Carpool message to your local group! New: ProgrammingParty New: Simultaneous events around the Americas, New: Technical talk video download & maybe streaming New: Bring microphone headset & laptop & VOIP & IRC w/ attendees at other locations. ===== Goals: TALKS: Tom Belote from Untangle has passed word he could talk about Backups. Scheduling in process - Probably for August meeting. Audio/Video streaming of talk to other simultaneous/parallel group meetings. Announcements need to go out to US LUGs BSDs Unix & programming & ??other groups encouraging them to set up simultaneous/parallel meetings in their cities for reception of live talk video stream. GOAL: CARPOOL CARPOOL CARPOOL (have I said that enough?) ===== Hope you can attend this Saturday, July 5. I'll post an actual meeting announcement for that soon. From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 18:58:51 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:58:51 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Year of Linux on the desktop -- in one small town Message-ID: <4b5781040807011858v1691213cq685a1ea389b86e33@mail.gmail.com> hi Here is a slashdot story that IMHO deserves a vote in the /. firehose. Of course, I wrote the story, so I am biased, but I do think that this is a funny publicity stunt that deserves to get some press. And it has been covered by the San Jose Mercury News: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&idu0265 *"Linux advocates have been touting the year of Linux on the desktopevery year for several years running. But now a group of GNU and Linux enthusiasts are holding a publicity stunt to move one small town, Felton, California, to Linux on the desktop, according to this story in the San Jose Mercury News. According to the group's website, the group will start holding town meetings on July 13 to convince just this one small town of 1,051 people near Silicon Valleyto experiment with conducting their daily business using only Free Open Source Software on the desktop, for one week starting Monday, July 28, 2008, and running through Sunday, August 3, 2008. The group is calling themselves "Lindependence 2008", in a play of words on the US Independence Day holiday weekend, which commences on July fourth."* The Digg story (not written by me) is here: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Lindependence_2008_aims_to_Free_Felton_from_Microsoft -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080701/76a45730/attachment.html From amittri13 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 00:53:39 2008 From: amittri13 at gmail.com (amit tripathi) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:23:39 +0530 Subject: [sf-lug] Berkeley TIP - Great 1st Meeting Success Report - July5 Sat Next Mtg In-Reply-To: <1214903897.30785.1261254819@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1214903897.30785.1261254819@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: hi.. Today i am compiling one program under CGAL library on fedora 8 linux . I lost access to my screen during compilation . when i reboot the system I got following /sbin/init:error while loading shared libraries :/lib/libsepol.so.1:invalid EL F header kernel panic not syncing : Attempted to kill init !! can this community help me in this regard. thanks & regards amit On 7/1/08, john_re wrote: > > Contents: Berkeley BSD / GNU-Linux Talks Installfeest Potluck (TIP) > 1) June 7 - 1st Meeting - Summary > 2) July 5 Saturday - Next (2nd) Meeting - Some preliminary info > > ==> Hi everyone - We had a great first meeting. > I hope you can come to our Great Improved second Meeting on July 5 > Saturday - more info in a soon upcoming announcement. > > Since people came from most of the LUG's & sw group mailing lists I > posted the first meeting announcement to, > I just wanted to let you all know how the meeting went, > and to give you a heads up awareness & > invite you to our next meeting. > > Next (2nd) Meeting: July 5 Saturday, 10AM-6PM, Berkeley > CARPOOL CARPOOL CARPOOL! > I'm about to set up a google group for the meeting. So for now, you can > follow progress on the buug.org mailing list: > http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-July/thread.html > > ==> We had a fantastic first meeting. > > I created this event as an unpaid, unreimbursed, > "volunteer for the community" effort, > in my part time, on very short notice, on my own, > without any assistance, with no $ but that out of my pocket, > when I have a number of primary responsibilities & > other things to do with my time. > > In less than 2.5 weeks > we went from non existence > to having 12 people attending > from as far as Sacramento & Pleasanton, > 75% of the announcements going out and > 60% attendees coming with only about 24 hours advance notice - > the BSD / GNU-Linux attendees are very capable people. > > Thanks to the preparedness, effort & enginuity of the attendees > we had electric power, networking & net access. > > We enjoyed conversations, > people doing installs & system improvements, > a beautiful summer veranda afternoon at UCB's Free Speech Cafe, > and discussion, idea input, & improving suggestions > for next month's meeting. > > My personal hopes & goals before the meeting had been: > 1 person besides me attend > 4 people attend > 10 people attend > > I posted a note on the mailing list 12 hours before the meeting with the > latest details. > > 14 people came for the meeting. > The first one apparently didn't find the open building entrances, > and didn't meet the second arrival, > and both left before the third attendee arrived at 12:40 PM, > for a meeting I had announced as running from 12N - 6PM. > > The third person had plugged his laptop into an outlet in the hall > & was hard at work on his actual work when I arrived about 12:50PM. > About another 5 people arrived in about the next 15 minutes. > Several more in the next 20 minutes. > The rest scattered throughout the next several hours. > > One of our attendees, a CS grad student, from Sacramento, > is working on a Google Summer of Code project, > http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ossim/about.html > and gave a us a 4 minute mini talk about that project. > > Our youngest attendee was a high school senior & GNU-Linux enthusiast > from Pleasanton, who came with his father, an EE who had attended > UCBerkeley. > He was also the first person to offer to give a talk at a future > meeting, > on the Digital Mars D Programming Language. > [UCB needs to offer this guy a scholarship quick!] > > Our oldest attendee was a retired physicist who described himself as > currently a hobbyist & volunteer sysadmin for various non-profit > organizations. > > We had the following attendees who heard about the meeting from these > groups, and came from these cities: > Bay Area Debian 2 Moraga, ?? > Bay Python 1 San Francisco > NBLUG 1 Berkeley > SVLUG 3 Plesanton, Hollister > LUGOD 1 Sacramento > UCBOCF 1 Berkeley > BUUG 4 2 Berkeley, Concord?, ??, Oakland > > The two attendees who arrived & left before I arrived came from SVLUG & > BUUG/BAD list announcements. > > Probabilistic prior RSVP % attendance was ~5?? > Actual arrivals > Prob Multiplier > > I encouraged everyone who came from out of town > to post carpool notices to their local groups for the next meeting, > to save gas, save $, enjoy conversation on the trip to & from, & make it > easier for others to attend. > > We had 1 high school senior, 2 undergrads, one grad student, one to be > grad student. > > We had academic backgrounds: CS, EE, Linguistics, BioInformatics, > Physics, Math, that I remember. > > We had at least two consulting programmers or internet infrastructure > developers, and many systems administrators, and several hobbyists. > > potluck - 2 people, 3rd later suggested order pizza & probably doesn't > know he has come up with an idea that LUGOD uses at their installfests. > > The president of SacLUG saw my notice on LUGOD & forwarded it to SacLUG > - thank you. > > Two people came for installfest help & got it - one for X windows > config, another for Ubuntu? install help. > > We didn't even get started on my goal of establishing a test video > stream. > > Several people posted meeting summary & feedback on BUUG & SVLUG. > That's great - thank you. > If everyone would post a short summary of this meeting announcement to > their group's mailing list, that would be fantastic - maybe it would > encourage others from that group to attend July 5, & raise carpool > awareness. > > I wish to thank everyone for attending & contributing, the mailing list > maintainers where I posted announcements, & extra thanks to Michael > Paoli for cleanup help! > > ==> Announcement/Info ===> > Meet probably at UCB Berkeley, 10AM - 6PM, Evans Hall. > Installfest, Talks, Potluck, ProgrammingParty > > CARPOOL CARPOOL CARPOOL - Post Carpool message to your local group! > > New: ProgrammingParty > New: Simultaneous events around the Americas, > New: Technical talk video download & maybe streaming > New: Bring microphone headset & laptop > & VOIP & IRC w/ attendees at other locations. > > ==> > TALKS: Tom Belote from Untangle has passed word he could talk about > Backups. Scheduling in process - Probably for August meeting. > > Audio/Video streaming of talk to other simultaneous/parallel group > meetings. > > Announcements need to go out to US LUGs BSDs Unix & programming & > ??other groups encouraging them to set up simultaneous/parallel meetings > in their cities for reception of live talk video stream. > > GOAL: CARPOOL CARPOOL CARPOOL (have I said that enough?) > > ==> Hope you can attend this Saturday, July 5. > I'll post an actual meeting announcement for that soon. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The "Ext2 Installable File System for Windows" software is freeware. screenshot large image If you currently have Windows running and you realize that you need some files for your work which you have stored on an Ext2 volume of your Linux installation, you no longer have to shut down Windows and boot Linux! Furthermore, Windows will now be able to handle floppy disks which have been formatted with an Ext2 file system. http://www.fs-driver.org/ -- Tony Cooke http://myweb.snipped.co.uk/tonyandgillcooke/ I'm pink, therefore I'm Spam. -------- End of Original Message -------- later bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste. From sverma at sfsu.edu Thu Jul 3 00:15:17 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:15:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] OLPC-SF June 21 meeting at Google In-Reply-To: <48590879.2080308@sfsu.edu> References: <48590879.2080308@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <486C7C85.4080306@sfsu.edu> Sameer Verma wrote: > Note: This meeting is for the OLPC-SF group. All are welcome to > attend. Also on the web at http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/522 > > > What: June 2008 meeting of SF Bay Area OLPC Enthusiasts. If you have > an XO laptop, or are just interested in seeing how they work, come on > down to Google campus in Mountain View for a get together on June 21, > 2008. If you have an XO or two (or ten), bring them! Don't have an XO? > Simply bring your enthusiasm. > > Bonus: Gather at the Computer History Museum (CHM) for a tour/photo > ops with the Babbage Difference Engine No. 2 (Babbage engine with > XO!), courtesy of Jay McCauley. Babbage Engine at 1pm and 2pm. Also > scheduled are DEC PDP-1 tours at 1:30pm and 2:00pm. Short and long > tours of Visible Storage (main exhibit area) are scheduled throughout > the afternoon. CHM opens at 12. CHM is located right at the Shoreline > exit off 101, about a mile from Google. Entry is free. > > Why: Build a mesh network, share activities, generate intersting > ideas. See the school server in action. Discuss translation > activities. Get an update on pilot studies. And more... > > When: June 21, 2008 from 10am to 2pm > > Where: University Theaters @ > Building 40 2nd Floor > 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway > Mountain View, CA 94043 > > Who: Sponsored by Weihaw Chuang at Google with help from Drew Hess. > > http://maps.google.com/?q=37.423156,-122.084917+(Google+Inc.)&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=37.423514,-122.084928&spn=0.009645,0.019484&z=16&iwloc=addr > > > > Sameer > Hi, My notes from the June 21 meeting are up at http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/524 Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From jstrazza at yahoo.com Thu Jul 3 07:47:03 2008 From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Volunteer your technical expertise? Message-ID: <780272.4267.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you have the below skills and want to volunteer, here is your chance. ? Web Application Developers:? Develop Drupal modules (in PHP/JavaScript) to interact with the sv4obama database based on the current needs of the volunteer group. Developers need to be fluent in PHP/MySQL web app development or at least familiar with standard programming languages and willing to learn PHP. ? Data Developers:? Data developers will work with the data/tech team to parse, input, and structure the massive amount of data we're trying to pull together.? Data developers need to be fluent in string processing in any language, understand XML, have experience in relational database design (MySQL) and preferably know PHP. Languages we've used so far include Python, Perl, and PHP. ? GIS Developers:? GIS developers will be working with the team to develop ways to map various kinds data and generate geographic information from existing data. Developers should be familiar with mapping products including Google Maps, Google Earth, ArcView, GeoServer, and GIS functions in MySQL and KML. ? System Administrator:? Someone with experience in setting up MYSQL, SpamAssassin, and Mailman software on Unix-based systems.? Comfortable with writing PHP/Perl/Python scripts to help automate various workflows. ? We could use some help scouring the Internet for digital maps that can be digitized into Shapefiles.? If you understand what this means and can help, please contact me as well. ? If any of you can recommend a dedicated Unix hosting provider or might be able to find a home to provide us with space/bandwidth (and full shell access to add/install software modules), please let me know too.??? We have massive amounts of data that's we're going to be managing.... ? Rober Hu Obama Campaign Manager roger.hu at gmail.com ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dont know if it was my setup but I'd love to hear others experiences... Blake Haggerty Permanent Placement Specialist Work: 415-788-8488 x6062 Fax: 415-788-2592 Email: blake.haggerty at sapphire.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/blakehaggerty Sapphire Technologies See who we know in common -----Original Message----- From:Bobbie Sellers bliss at california.com To: "SF-LUG, Etc" ; Sent: Jul 2, 2008 03:05:08 PM Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: from the TAML- Ext2 Installable File System ForWindows] Seems like posting is slow so maybe a reference to the unfortunately-dominate PC operating system may be excused. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [TAML-WNT] Ext2 Installable File System For Windows Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:18:56 +0100 From: Tony Cooke Reply-To: taml at lists.worldnewstrust.com To: Team Amiga (WorldNewsTrust) In case anyone is interested:- What's unique about this software? It provides Windows NT4.0/2000/XP/2003/Vista with full access to Linux Ext2 volumes (read access and write access). This may be useful if you have installed both Windows and Linux as a dual boot environment on your computer. The "Ext2 Installable File System for Windows" software is freeware. screenshot large image If you currently have Windows running and you realize that you need some files for your work which you have stored on an Ext2 volume of your Linux installation, you no longer have to shut down Windows and boot Linux! Furthermore, Windows will now be able to handle floppy disks which have been formatted with an Ext2 file system. http://www.fs-driver.org/ -- Tony Cooke http://myweb.snipped.co.uk/tonyandgillcooke/ I'm pink, therefore I'm Spam. -------- End of Original Message -------- later bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste. _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080703/caf21741/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Thu Jul 3 11:18:20 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:18:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [FSF] It's not the Gates, it's the bars] Message-ID: <1215109100.6296.19.camel@ubuntu> -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Matt Lee To: info-fsf at gnu.org Subject: [FSF] It's not the Gates, it's the bars Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:04:04 -0400 It's not the Gates, it's the bars By Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation To pay so much attention to Bill Gates' retirement is missing the point. What really matters is not Gates, nor Microsoft, but the unethical system of restrictions that Microsoft, like many other software companies, imposes on its customers. That statement may surprise you, since most people interested in computers have strong feelings about Microsoft. Businessmen and their tame politicians admire its success in building an empire over so many computer users. Many outside the computer field credit Microsoft for advances which it only took advantage of, such as making computers cheap and fast, and convenient graphical user interfaces. Gates' philanthropy for health care for poor countries has won some people's good opinion. The LA Times reported that his foundation spends five to 10% of its money annually and invests the rest, sometimes in companies it suggests cause environmental degradation and illness in the same poor countries. Many computerists specially hate Gates and Microsoft. They have plenty of reasons. 'Solicit funds' Microsoft persistently engages in anti-competitive behaviour, and has been convicted three times. George W Bush, who let Microsoft off the hook for the second US conviction, was invited to Microsoft headquarters to solicit funds for the 2000 election. Many users hate the "Microsoft tax", the retail contracts that make you pay for Windows on your computer even if you won't use it. In some countries you can get a refund, but the effort required is daunting. There's also the Digital Restrictions Management: software features designed to "stop" you from accessing your files freely. Increased restriction of users seems to be the main advance of Vista. 'Gratuitous incompatibilities' Then there are the gratuitous incompatibilities and obstacles to interoperation with other software. This is why the EU required Microsoft to publish interface specifications. This year Microsoft packed standards committees with its supporters to procure ISO approval of its unwieldy, unimplementable and patented "open standard" for documents. The EU is now investigating this. These actions are intolerable, of course, but they are not isolated events. They are systematic symptoms of a deeper wrong which most people don't recognise: proprietary software. Microsoft's software is distributed under licenses that keep users divided and helpless. The users are divided because they are forbidden to share copies with anyone else. The users are helpless because they don't have the source code that programmers can read and change. If you're a programmer and you want to change the software, for yourself or for someone else, you can't. If you're a business and you want to pay a programmer to make the software suit your needs better, you can't. If you copy it to share with your friend, which is simple good-neighbourliness, they call you a "pirate". 'Unjust system' Microsoft would have us believe that helping your neighbour is the moral equivalent of attacking a ship. The most important thing that Microsoft has done is to promote this unjust social system. Gates is personally identified with it, due to his infamous open letter which rebuked microcomputer users for sharing copies of his software. It said, in effect, "If you don't let me keep you divided and helpless, I won't write the software and you won't have any. Surrender to me, or you're lost!" 'Change system' But Gates didn't invent proprietary software, and thousands of other companies do the same thing. It's wrong, no matter who does it. Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, and the rest, offer you software that gives them power over you. A change in executives or companies is not important. What we need to change is this system. That's what the free software movement is all about. "Free" refers to freedom: we write and publish software that users are free to share and modify. We do this systematically, for freedom's sake; some of us paid, many as volunteers. We already have complete free operating systems, including GNU/Linux. Our aim is to deliver a complete range of useful free software, so that no computer user will be tempted to cede her freedom to get software. In 1984, when I started the free software movement, I was hardly aware of Gates' letter. But I'd heard similar demands from others, and I had a response: "If your software would keep us divided and helpless, please don't write it. We are better off without it. We will find other ways to use our computers, and preserve our freedom." In 1992, when the GNU operating system was completed by the kernel, Linux, you had to be a wizard to run it. Today GNU/Linux is user-friendly: in parts of Spain and India, it's standard in schools. Tens of millions use it, around the world. You can use it too. Gates may be gone, but the walls and bars of proprietary software he helped create remain, for now. Dismantling them is up to us. Richard Stallman is the founder of the Free Software Foundation. You can copy and redistribute this article under the Creative Commons Noderivs license. This article is published on BBC News online. Please share this link with your friends and family, and post it to any blogs, link sharing or social sites you think may find it interesting. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7487060.stm _______________________________________________ info-fsf mailing list info-fsf at gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-fsf From jim at well.com Thu Jul 3 11:57:25 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:57:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] meeting this sunday from 11 AM to 1 PM at the javacat Message-ID: <1215111445.6296.32.camel@ubuntu> sf-lug meets again this sunday, july 7, from 11 AM to 1 PM (or so) at the javacat cafe on geary blvd at 20th ave in san francisco. there will be books for give-away to those who are good: * Running Xen by Jessica Matthews, et al (prentice hall) * Sams Teach Yourself PHP, MySQL, and Apache ALL in One by Julie Meloni (Sams) for your inspection pleasure there will be a ZaReason Ultralap laptop as well as a ZaReason Ubuntu 8.04 EEE PC laptop. there will be a test: who can figure out how to get the EEE PC to connect to the wifi: the EEE PC will connect to a wifi access point that has no password, but it will not connect to at least a few access points that are password protected. one test question is how to detect what type of password the access point requires (64 or 128 bit, WEP or WPA{,2}, ASCII or hex or "binary", ...?). Possible with iwlist or iwconfig or some other command-line utility? From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri Jul 4 12:04:53 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:04:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] shell tip: ps ... | grep ... | grep -v grep Message-ID: <1215198293.486e7455c6c82@webmail.rawbw.com> While typical Linux distributions have pidof, for greater (e.g. UNIX/BSD) portability, often something like: ps args | grep 'pattern' | grep -v grep is rather commonly used ... e.g. to find the PID(s) running a particular program. Well, a bit more efficient approach would typically be: ps args | grep '[p]attern' How does it work? Well, the RE [p]attern will match pattern, but the ps line with grep won't match RE [p]attern, as it will have literal argument [p]attern, and thus won't match RE [p]attern. credits/references: Hans Peter Verne, Daniel Robbins http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-keyc3/ From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 15:59:44 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 18:59:44 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] shell tip: ps ... | grep ... | grep -v grep In-Reply-To: <1215198293.486e7455c6c82@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <1215198293.486e7455c6c82@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: You don't need to grep out 'grep' :-) do more people utilize ps aux or ps -e? On 7/4/08, Michael Paoli wrote: > While typical Linux distributions have pidof, for greater (e.g. > UNIX/BSD) portability, often something like: > ps args | grep 'pattern' | grep -v grep > is rather commonly used ... e.g. to find the PID(s) running a particular > program. > > Well, a bit more efficient approach would typically be: > ps args | grep '[p]attern' > > How does it work? Well, the RE [p]attern will match pattern, but the ps > line with grep won't match RE [p]attern, as it will have literal > argument [p]attern, and thus won't match RE [p]attern. > > credits/references: > Hans Peter Verne, Daniel Robbins > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-keyc3/ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kristian Erik Hermansen -- CISSP, CEPT, CREA, CEH, Linux+, A+, QGCS, ACSA, this is getting ridiculous... http://kristian-hermansen.com From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri Jul 4 22:15:47 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 22:15:47 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] ps aux or ps -e In-Reply-To: References: <1215198293.486e7455c6c82@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <1215234947.486f0383c70ed@webmail.rawbw.com> Quoting Kristian Erik Hermansen : > You don't need to grep out 'grep' :-) do more people utilize ps aux or ps > -e? Well, I think perhaps the question is which is better or more appropriate, ... and the answer is "it depends". :-) In short, there's the BSD and System V flavors of the ps command. For most typical Linux distributions, both are rolled into a single ps command, and the flavors are invoked depending respectively upon whether or not first option starts without or with leading - (hyphen/minus) character; Digital UNIX also used that type of behavior. On other *nix platforms, one may not have both flavors available. On some platforms (e.g. Solaris) they have distinct pathnames, respectively /usr/ucb/ps or /usr/bin/ps. They each have their advantages and disadvantages ... I tend to flip a lot between BSD and System V flavors of ps, as they each - at least in most implementations, have some unique and useful capabilities that the other lacks. E.g.: Want all the command arguments without truncation? Use the BSD flavor, toss in the w option 3 or more times (for most BSD flavors, 3 or more w's is "unlimited" - for some, each w extends the length a fair bit per occurrence). Most System V ps implementations don't have an equivalent option, though some have a -x ("eXtended"?) option that will do that. Want all the PIDs of a particular user, and perhaps other than the invoking euid? System V flavor: ps -lfu user Want environment information (possibly limited by security restrictions, but if available)? Use the BSD flavor with the e option. Want %CPU? BSD flavor with u option ... and on and on the distinctions go ... in many cases, each flavor offering some useful capability that the other doesn't have. From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 01:13:02 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:13:02 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] Finally got my OLPC Message-ID: Finally got it. Very cool indeed :-) http://picasaweb.google.com/kristian.hermansen/LailaSBabyVisit/photo#5219419701169466210 -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- CISSP, CEPT, CREA, CEH, Linux+, A+, QGCS, ACSA, this is getting ridiculous... http://kristian-hermansen.com From jim at well.com Mon Jul 7 10:08:45 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:08:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [svlug] ACCU meeting on Wednesday 'Nokia's Maemo platform'] Message-ID: <1215450525.6319.40.camel@ubuntu> -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Walter Vannini To: SVLUG Subject: [svlug] ACCU meeting on Wednesday 'Nokia's Maemo platform' Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:30:42 -0700 Feel free to forward this notice to anyone who is interested. When: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 Topic: Architectural introduction to Nokia's Maemo platform Speakers: Tapio Tolvanen and Victor Brilon Time: 6:30pm doors open 7:00pm meeting begins Where: Symantec VCAFE building 350 Ellis Street (near E. Middlefield Road) Mountain View, CA 94043 Map: Directions: VCAFE is accessible from the semicircular courtyard between Symantec buildings Cost: Free More Info: In this presentation, you will learn about the Nokia Internet tablets both from a hardware and software perspective. Explore the devices, applications and communities, hear the features and study the architecture of the operating system and hardware configuration. Also discover the essentials of the application development platform, ranging from application frameworks to development tools. Tapio Tolvanen is currently a Technology Manager for Linux Computers in Nokia. He has also been defining architectures and guiding the development of several applications creating engaging and compelling Internet Experience on Nokia's Linux platform - Maemo. Prior to this, Tapio has been developing several applications and products on Nokia's platforms, including Series 40, S60 and Maemo in Europe, Asia and the U.S.A. Victor Brilon is a Senior Product Manager working with Linux devices in Nokia. He is responsible for strategic technology collaborative efforts on the Linux platform with external partners. Victor has over 15 years of experience in working with emerging technologies, including wireless applications and Open Source software. Previous to Nokia, he was an entrepreneur and the co-founder of the largest wireless developer Web property. Earlier, Victor was a Senior Consultant Systems Engineer at EDS, where he led an engineering team in developing innovative Internet-based technologies and practices. ---- Upcoming ACCU talks ----- Wednesday, August 13, 2008 Speaker TBA Topic TBA Wednesday, September 10, 2008 Bryan O'Sullivan "Haskell for the Real World" ---- The ACCU meets monthly. Meetings are always open to the public and are free of charge. To suggest topics and speakers please email Walter Vannini via walterv at gbbservices.com _______________________________________________ svlug mailing list svlug at lists.svlug.org http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/svlug From jim at well.com Tue Jul 8 06:33:05 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:33:05 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Baypiggies meets this Thursday, 7/10: P2P BitTorrent Data Mining by Niall O'Higgins Message-ID: <1215523985.6319.115.camel@ubuntu> bayPIGgies meeting Thursday 7/10: P2P/BitTorrent data mining with Python and C by Niall O'Higgins The BitTorrent protocol is estimated to account for 18-35% of traffic on the Internet. This talk will give an introduction to the protocol, why it has been so effective compared to other P2P systems, and what its limitations are. We will then cover what features make Python an excellent tool to power large scale data mining and analysis of P2P networks. Finally, we will present some results of the quantitive analysis of BitTorrent conducted by the Peer-to-Peer Research Institute. http://p2presearch.com/ http://niallohiggins.com Location: Google Campus Building 42, the Seville room (second floor) check in at the lobby in bldg 43 bayPIGgies meeting information: http://baypiggies.net/new/plone * Please sign up in advance to have your google access badge ready: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings (no later than close of business on Wednesday.) Agenda ..... 7:30 PM ........................... General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any first-minute announcements. ..... 7:35 PM to 8:45 PM ................ The Talk ..... 8:45 PM to 9:00 PM or After The Talk ................ Mapping and Random Access Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcers are interested in. Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on the announcements and other topics of interest. ..... Thursday, August 14 ................ 7:30 PM BayPIGgies Steven Knight on SCons From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 14:00:48 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:00:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] great scanning experience under Hardy Edubuntu Message-ID: <4b5781040807081400y638c68b6m356d879baaaef966@mail.gmail.com> hi I just wanted you to know that I had a really good experience setting up my HP Officejet 5510 under Edubuntu Hardy, and so I documented it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?pS46522#post5346522 Your [customers, readers, noobs] should feel good about choosing HP products with Linux, because at least this product was really well supported. HP even provides a toolbox tool for it that automagically appears in System > Preferences, as I mention in the thread. Not sure if HP did that or if Canonical did. But it was definitely a success story. -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080708/1522afb4/attachment.htm From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 16:30:10 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:30:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04.1) rocks your socks, now with greater security Message-ID: I just wanted to reiterate that Ubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04.1) is the best release of a Debian distro to date, IMHO. I have been messing around with Debian and Ubuntu for a long time now, and this release is solid. I was a very early adopter to Ubuntu and user since October of 2004, and Debian prior to that. Hardy is a kick ass release, and I highly recommend it to everyone. I just recently started utilizing the Ubuntu Alternate disc installer and tried out the painless encrypted disk option, which now provides me with partition encryption of all my data. Pretty cool. I have utilized numerous other Linux encryption tools in the past, but this was just way too damn easy that now I can start recommending it to other users. In fact, everyone should be using it if you are worried about your laptop being stolen or people trying to snag your data. Very cool indeed!! You can learn more about LUKS below, which the Ubuntu partition encryption is based on. Please note that the /boot is not encrypted, so there are still (presumably) ways to hijack your keys, but this is much better than having your data RAW on disk... http://luks.endorphin.org/ NOTE: DO NOT DOWNLOAD UBUNTU HARDY HERON 8.04. Please ensure you only utilize update 8.04.1, due to OpenSSL issues that were discussed on here earlier. I was traveling and out of the loop when that OpenSSL discussion came up on the list, so I underestimated the problems that would ultimately ensue. Stay safe San Francisco!! -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- CISSP, CEPT, CREA, CEH, Linux+, A+, QGCS, ACSA, this is getting ridiculous... http://kristian-hermansen.com From bliss at california.com Tue Jul 8 20:01:45 2008 From: bliss at california.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:01:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting & SliTaz 1.0 - 25 megabytes of GNU/Linux Power. Message-ID: <48742A19.1050202@california.com> Jim Stockford was there with his new ASUS EEE machine from the ZaReason folks. Screen is a bit small for my taste but Daniel showed him how to brighten the display enough for the Javacat Cafe. It seems a bit slow but it works fine with the Zareason installed Ubuntu. Daniel got my Inspiron 4000 upgraded to the proper bios and I was happy to see it again. Thanks Daniel. Jason was there having ridden on a bicycle all the way. He managed to haul along his big laptop. John had a small customized IBM Thinkpad having replaced the hard drive with solid state drives. Two other enthusiasts were there and it is the fault of my poor memory that I do not name them. There was a bit of discussion of the possibility of finding other meeting places but the problems are of course parking for the drivers and transportation for the rest of us. The meeting concluded a bit after 1 PM with a discussion of the changes to be made to servers in which I was awed bystander. Seems as though the movers and shakers will be moving the old box as soon as they are sure the new virtual setup handles everything properly. This used up most of the time before 2 PM. As we were getting ready to leave a young man with an Inspirion 8500 asked me about the group. Looks like we may have another new member in the near future. I think the current economic problems may be helpful to the advancement of the Free and Open Source Software movement as people and organizations will have increased economic motivation to escape Microsoft's expensive licenses and endless security problems. Read about this new small Linux disto in the current Linux Format magazine, SliTaz 1.0 which is only 25 Megabytes in ISO and while at the SF-LUG meeting on Sunday downloaded the iso from the web site. http://www.slitaz.org. SliTaz is an acronym of course and think about Small, light and so forth. Moved it with my little SD card reader from the Inspiron to the Dimension and wrote it to a CD. It looks very nice though I couldn't find instructions on doing dial-up but they have a package I found when I went to: http://www.slitaz.org/en/doc/handbook/index.html You have two hundred or more commands and the handbook has directions on installation to a hard disk and to a USB drive. Even a very small USB drive. The USB install moves everything in the system to memory and it takes relatively little memory. Things happen as fast as though you were on an Amiga since everything is in memory and how many users of the Amiga remember the hack to move a system image to a rebootable ram disk?. Non-Amigans can dis-regard. It is not slow. Estimate for the Live CD or USB key is 80 MB of ram to run in. But there are cheats to let allow use in as little as 16 MB. Unlike DSL which is twice the size SliTaz uses the latest kernel, (2.6.24) and other up to date basic building blocks for the system. It uses Joe's Window Manager on top of an X vesa and all the tools are light and fast. It also has a file manager that is to die for. It looks like a desktop MC but here is a quote from the handbook. emelFM2 - File Manager EmelFM2 is a file manager providing many useful functions for daily tasks such as managing devices, opening a terminal in the current directory, drag and drop, create/rename directories, key bindings or managing file permissions. It contains bookmarks to allow you to browse faster, a text editor/viewer and much more. EmelFM2 can be launched with some command line options - you can specify the dustbin directory or set the start directory to display. For a full list of options: $ emelfm2 --help. The context menu (right click on file/directory) makes it easy to unpack .taz .gz archives, compress and create archives or compare files. You can also create symbolic links via 'Create a link...'. Once learnt, emelFM2 will allow you to work quickly and effectively. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080331 Just scroll down the page a bit and you will find the remarks, But the Handbook is wonderfully direct and gives good instructions on command line use of the important tools. There is also a SliTaz Cookbook for developers with directions on building packages using the wok with tools and receipts(recipes?) which should make people feel more at home with the package. This is a package meant to keep old machines in use as long as possible but the developer runs it on his high speed hardware which must be very fast. later bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste. From jim at well.com Wed Jul 9 11:13:12 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:13:12 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting & SliTaz 1.0 - 25 megabytes of GNU/Linux Power. In-Reply-To: <48742A19.1050202@california.com> References: <48742A19.1050202@california.com> Message-ID: <1215627192.6319.186.camel@ubuntu> nice to have a report on the meeting, thanks! here's a blurb on solid state drives: http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/09/samsungs-low-power-128gb-ssds-go-mass-production-on-the-cheap/ i'd be willing to reimburse you if you bring me at least one CD with slitaz on it, just in case you're taking orders. On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 20:01 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > Jim Stockford was there with his new ASUS EEE machine from > the ZaReason folks. Screen is a bit small for my taste but Daniel > showed him how to brighten the display enough for the Javacat Cafe. > It seems a bit slow but it works fine with the Zareason installed > Ubuntu. > > Daniel got my Inspiron 4000 upgraded to the proper bios and I > was happy to see it again. Thanks Daniel. > > Jason was there having ridden on a bicycle all the way. He > managed to haul along his big laptop. > > John had a small customized IBM Thinkpad having replaced the > hard drive with solid state drives. > Two other enthusiasts were there and it is the fault of my > poor memory that I do not name them. > > There was a bit of discussion of the possibility of finding > other meeting places but the problems are of course parking for the > drivers and transportation for the rest of us. > > The meeting concluded a bit after 1 PM with a discussion of > the changes to be made to servers in which I was awed bystander. Seems > as though the movers and shakers will be moving the old box as soon as > they are sure the new virtual setup handles everything properly. This > used up most of the time before 2 PM. > > As we were getting ready to leave a young man with an Inspirion 8500 > asked me about the group. Looks like we may have another new member in > the near future. I think the current economic problems may be > helpful to the advancement of the Free and Open Source Software movement > as people and organizations will have increased economic motivation to > escape Microsoft's expensive licenses and endless security problems. > > Read about this new small Linux disto in the current Linux Format > magazine, SliTaz 1.0 which is only 25 Megabytes in ISO and > while at the SF-LUG meeting on Sunday downloaded the iso from the > web site. > > http://www.slitaz.org. > > SliTaz is an acronym of course and think about Small, light and > so forth. > Moved it with my little SD card reader from the Inspiron to the > Dimension and wrote it to a CD. It looks very nice though I couldn't > find instructions on doing dial-up but they have a package I found > when I went to: > > http://www.slitaz.org/en/doc/handbook/index.html > > > You have two hundred or more commands and the handbook has directions > on installation to a hard disk and to a USB drive. Even a very small > USB drive. The USB install moves everything in the system > to memory and it takes relatively little memory. Things happen > as fast as though you were on an Amiga since everything is in memory > and how many users of the Amiga remember the hack to move a system > image to a rebootable ram disk?. Non-Amigans can dis-regard. It > is not slow. > Estimate for the Live CD or USB key is 80 MB of ram to run > in. But there are cheats to let allow use in as little as 16 MB. > Unlike DSL which is twice the size SliTaz uses the latest kernel, > (2.6.24) and other up to date basic building blocks for the > system. It uses Joe's Window Manager on top of an X vesa and > all the tools are light and fast. > It also has a file manager that is to die for. It looks > like a desktop MC but here is a quote from the handbook. > > emelFM2 - File Manager > > EmelFM2 is a file manager providing many useful functions for daily > tasks such as managing devices, opening a terminal in the current > directory, drag and drop, create/rename directories, key bindings or > managing file permissions. It contains bookmarks to allow you to browse > faster, a text editor/viewer and much more. EmelFM2 can be launched with > some command line options - you can specify the dustbin directory or set > the start directory to display. For a full list of options: $ emelfm2 > --help. > > The context menu (right click on file/directory) makes it easy to unpack > .taz .gz archives, compress and create archives or compare files. You > can also create symbolic links via 'Create a link...'. Once learnt, > emelFM2 will allow you to work quickly and effectively. > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080331 > Just scroll down the page a bit and you will find the remarks, > > But the Handbook is wonderfully direct and gives good instructions on > command line use of the important tools. There > is also a SliTaz Cookbook for developers with directions on > building packages using the wok with tools and receipts(recipes?) > which should make people feel more at home with the package. > > This is a package meant to keep old machines in use > as long as possible but the developer runs it on his high > speed hardware which must be very fast. > > later > bliss at california dot com > From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 16:44:08 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:44:08 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] AFFECTING YOU? "Offline Mode" feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager Message-ID: This bug has been affecting a large number of Firefox 3.0 and Ubuntu Hardy users. If you are affected by it, I developed a temporary solution that you can use until Firefox 3.0.1 is released and synced up to the Ubuntu repositories... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/191889 http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/code/disable.offline.mode/disable.offline.mode.html The Firefox addon will allow you to disable offline mode completely so that your Firefox experience is not degraded. This bug will probably affect you if you are using a proprietary wireless driver in conjunction with NetworkManager. Any feedback is welcome. I hope it helps someone as I am highly recommending the Hardy release to Linux newbies I encounter. Yay! -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- CISSP, CEPT, CREA, CEH, Linux+, A+, QGCS, ACSA, this is getting ridiculous... http://kristian-hermansen.com From jstrazza at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 14:08:05 2008 From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone using Asterisk with VoIP on Linux? Message-ID: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A friend is setting up a VoIP system for his office.? It is a small operation, he just wants to get 4 phones working.? He does have a Trandnet router with the IP phone plugged into it and he gets a dialtone, but that's it.? His Linux server has a myriad of error messages (of course, none of which I have captured!) which would probably explain why the setup is not working.? ? Does anyone have any experience/knowledge of how to do this? ? I'm reading 'Asterisk for Dummies' like mad, so that would explain my knowledge level. ? Also, do all phones in a VoIP system need to match (same model and features) or can you just use 'any old' IP phone? ? Thanks ? John ? P.S. Feel free to contact me 'off list' if you feel that the discussion is not appropriate to this list. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080710/cc20200d/attachment.htm From nathan at foo-o-rama.com Thu Jul 10 14:19:43 2008 From: nathan at foo-o-rama.com (Nathan Hoover) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:19:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone using Asterisk with VoIP on Linux? In-Reply-To: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22a0b8070807101419u3d80e8bayf0ab6cf5a43355e1@mail.gmail.com> I have some experience testing and experimenting with Asterisk, and I find it works very well. The only aspect that has ever given me intractable trouble is having the Asterisk box behind a firewall with NAT. For a new user, I recommend trying Trixbox or AsteriskNOW, they are CD images you can download that include a Linux installer (I think they're both CentOS if I remember right), complete with Asterisk and various accessory programs preinstalled. You can indeed mix and match the phones to your preferences. I have had success using Asterisk with Polycom IP301, 501, and Cisco 7940G phones. (in fact I have a spare IP301 I was just about to ebay, if your friend is looking for hardware). Feel free to email me if you have any further questions, I'd be glad to be of whatever help I can be. Regards, Nathan 2008/7/10 John F. Strazzarino : > A friend is setting up a VoIP system for his office. It is a small > operation, he just wants to get 4 phones working. He does have a Trandnet > router with the IP phone plugged into it and he gets a dialtone, but that's > it. His Linux server has a myriad of error messages (of course, none of > which I have captured!) which would probably explain why the setup is not > working. > > > > Does anyone have any experience/knowledge of how to do this? > > > > I'm reading 'Asterisk for Dummies' like mad, so that would explain my > knowledge level. > > > > Also, do all phones in a VoIP system need to match (same model and > features) or can you just use 'any old' IP phone? > > > > Thanks > > > > John > > > > P.S. Feel free to contact me 'off list' if you feel that the discussion is > not appropriate to this list. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080710/73ccc2e0/attachment.htm From sverma at sfsu.edu Thu Jul 10 14:24:39 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:24:39 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone using Asterisk with VoIP on Linux? In-Reply-To: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48767E17.1060500@sfsu.edu> John F. Strazzarino wrote: > > A friend is setting up a VoIP system for his office. It is a small > operation, he just wants to get 4 phones working. He does have a > Trandnet router with the IP phone plugged into it and he gets a > dialtone, but that's it. His Linux server has a myriad of error > messages (of course, none of which I have captured!) which would > probably explain why the setup is not working. > > > > Does anyone have any experience/knowledge of how to do this? > > > A small network of 4 phones is simple enough where you can get a low-end PII box and run Astlinux (http://www.astlinux.org/). I've used AstLinux before and it works quite well. You can grab their bootable ISO and boot the machine off of it and run it from there. No hard drive needed. Astlinux uses a USB flash key to store settings, so that you can use a read-only bootable CD to boot the machine and then store the settings on the USB key. I did a presentation to SFLUG way back on Astlinux. My slides are up at http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/228 For more hefty requirements check out Trixbox. http://www.trixbox.org/ > I'm reading 'Asterisk for Dummies' like mad, so that would explain my > knowledge level. > > > > Also, do all phones in a VoIP system need to match (same model and > features) or can you just use 'any old' IP phone? > No. You can mix and match phones, both hardware-based and soft ones. You can also mix and match protocols such as SIP ans IAX. For example, I currently have a PBX in my office that allows me to dial out from a Nokia N810 via Gizmo when I am traveling overseas. Gizmo uses SIP. I am also able to call home where I have an analog phone connected to an ATA called the IAXy (http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-IAXy) which uses IAX. The server (trixbox) translates SIP-IAX on the fly. > > > Thanks > > > > John > > > > P.S. Feel free to contact me 'off list' if you feel that the > discussion is not appropriate to this list. > > > Discussion is very appropriate to this list :-) Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From mark at weisler-saratoga-ca.us Thu Jul 10 14:34:55 2008 From: mark at weisler-saratoga-ca.us (Mark Weisler) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:34:55 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone using Asterisk with VoIP on Linux? In-Reply-To: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200807101434.57627.mark@weisler-saratoga-ca.us> On Thursday 10 July 2008 14:08:05 John F. Strazzarino wrote: > A friend is setting up a VoIP system for his office.? It is a small > operation, he just wants to get 4 phones working.? He does have a Trandnet > router with the IP phone plugged into it and he gets a dialtone, but that's > it.? His Linux server has a myriad of error messages (of course, none of > which I have captured!) which would probably explain why the setup is not > working.? > Does anyone have any experience/knowledge of how to do this? Yup. > ? > I'm reading 'Asterisk for Dummies' like mad, so that would explain my > knowledge level. > Also, do all phones in a VoIP system need to match (same model and > features) or can you just use 'any old' IP phone? Nope. You can't use just any old phone. A basic dichotomy is is analog versus digital. If you use analog phones you must have equipment to convert the analog signal to digital. This can take the form of a card in the PC like the... http://www.digium.com/en/products/analog/tdm410.php or an external 'telephone adapter' like the ... http://www.digium.com/en/products/analog/s101i.php (You plug in an analog phone on one port and the other is an Ethernet connection to your PC running Asterisk.) It can make sense to use analog phones in certain situations especially where you don't want to be responsible for people having to learn a lot of new technology if they are not so inclined. (Some businesses for example.) On the digital side of things, you can use IP telephones like the Polycom ... http://www.polycom.com/usa/en/products/voice/desktop/soundpoint_ip/soundpoint_ip.html or you can use a headset from someone like Polycom in combination with a 'softphone' - an application on your computer that looks sort of like a mobile phone interface and provides dialling and other interaction with your phone and Asterisk. You also have to decide on the method of transmitting voice from your site to the called party. You have two realistic choices: * IP * The public switched telephone network (PSTN). Increasingly we are just using IP to leave the premises as the call quality using just IP is generally just fine. A while back (months or a year or two) it was wise to have a card in the PC that would convert the signal to something the PSTN could understand and the call would leave via PSTN protocols. That is, you would use an analog line like a plain old home telephone line or you would use a T-1 set up for PSTN protocols and calls would leave and enter your site via the PSTN. But the economics and quality of IP mostly favor IP now. (There are situations where you have both IP and PSTN and one backs up the other.) Good luck. The Asterisk world is large and moving fast. > > Thanks > ? > John > ? > P.S. Feel free to contact me 'off list' if you feel that the discussion is > not appropriate to this list. -- Mark Weisler PGP: 0x68E462B6 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080710/5df59d12/attachment.pgp From mark at weisler-saratoga-ca.us Thu Jul 10 14:49:17 2008 From: mark at weisler-saratoga-ca.us (Mark Weisler) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:49:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone using Asterisk with VoIP on Linux? In-Reply-To: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200807101449.20657.mark@weisler-saratoga-ca.us> On Thursday 10 July 2008 14:08:05 John F. Strazzarino wrote: > A friend is setting up a VoIP system for his office.? It is a small > operation, he just wants to get 4 phones working.? He does have a Trandnet > router with the IP phone plugged into it and he gets a dialtone, but that's > it.? His Linux server has a myriad of error messages (of course, none of > which I have captured!) which would probably explain why the setup is not > working.? > Does anyone have any experience/knowledge of how to do this? > ? > I'm reading 'Asterisk for Dummies' like mad, so that would explain my > knowledge level. > Also, do all phones in a VoIP system need to match (same model and > features) or can you just use 'any old' IP phone? A little more on this phone matching... You can mix analog and digital phones as long as you have the correct interfaces and configurations. So you could have a number of inexpensive analog phones connected via the cards or adapters I mentioned earlier. (This is often done because the phones are already in position, connected via cable, and familiar to the user.) And, on the same system, you could have some IP phones and some softphones using headsets. In all, Asterisk is very flexible. You can have phones appropriate to the work they will be doing: customer service, shop floor, executive, and so on. In contrast with proprietary systems like ATT, Nortel, Panasonic and others, the telephone sets are not proprietary but standards based so you can mix brands and models to get value and the functionality you need. -- Mark Weisler PGP: 0x68E462B6 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080710/4ac761db/attachment.pgp From jim at well.com Thu Jul 10 15:22:09 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:22:09 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Community Manager / Tech Evangelist for Linux Foundation Message-ID: <1215728529.6319.233.camel@ubuntu> Title: Community Manager / Technical Evangelist Salary: $120K - $135K Location: San Francisco (lots of flexibility there) The Linux Foundation (www.linux-foundation.org) is looking for a well-rounded, technical ISV manager to champion the needs of ISVs targeting the Linux platform. This person will have deep knowledge of application development and the Linux platform and will be able to translate ISV needs into products and programs through collaboration with the Linux Foundation engineering team. Good communication and writing skills are a must, as this position is a hybrid of product management, relationship management and support. The right person is versatile and has a passion for application development and Linux. This is a unique, high visibility opportunity that affords many network and high impact opportunities. Responsibilities of this position include: * Maintain relationships with tier 1 and 2 ISV development organizations to promote the value of the LSB and the LSB tools (the SDK, SI, and Application Checker) * Own the ISV experience at the Linux Foundation across all products and departments * Gather requirements from ISVs and translate into products by collaborating with the engineering department. This person owns developer product management. * Work with the CTO and Chief Platform Architect to get input from Tier 1 ISV's directly, and connect Tier 1 ISV's with the engineering department to provide direct support where necessary. * Organize and run an ISV advisory council for Tier 1/2 ISV's and gather input re: requirements for the LSB, LSB tools, and the LDN. * Work with the CTO and Chief Platform Architect, establish a high-level editorial agenda for the LSB channel of the Linux Developer Network. Work with the LDN editor to write new content and answer questions pertaining to the LSB on the LDN. Be the technical resource for articles for the LDN for checking and accuracy. * Develop a program, with content and tools, that will help ISVs target Linux via the LSB and other Linux Foundation products. Optimal knowledge for this position includes: C++, Linux distributions and writing applications for them, The GNU toolsets. The person holding this position will be evaluated along the following lines: 1. How many ISVs are certifying are deriving value from the LSB? How do we measure this impact? 2. ISV participation in various Linux Foundation products: the Linux Developer Network, ISV conferences, CollaborationSummit, LSB workgroup. 3. What new products have they developed and how are those tools being used by ISVs. 4. What experience does the ISV have certifying or getting support from Linux Foundation staff. This person is responsible for the ISVs overall experience with the Linux Foundation. Interested? Katherine Bretz Kbretz at kbretz dot com 650 213 8300 From jim at well.com Thu Jul 10 15:28:16 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:28:16 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [JOB POSTING] Software Test Engineer in Mountain View, 12 months Message-ID: <1215728896.6319.236.camel@ubuntu> Software Test Engineer ( STE4 ) / Mt. View, CA/ 12mth+/ Rate range is $50-65/hr; Length: up to a year Location: Mountain View, CA Job Details: To write tests to test custom OS code, where a managed code environment interfaces a ported Unix OS, and other parts of a Unix system. Requirements: * 5-7 years experience (will take into account demonstrated ability, or clear scholastic background, e.g. MS with less experience) * Comprehensive expertise with Unix Based Operating systems (NetBSD a plus, or perhaps you've built your own) * Expert C, C++, and Unix based coding skills * Good communication skills with developers to determine requirements * Mobile experience desirable Neetu Neetu at valiantica.com Valiantica, Inc. 11233 Terra Bella Drive Cupertino, CA 95014 Phone: 408-850-1243 408-833-6197 www.valiantica.com From justizin at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 19:14:50 2008 From: justizin at gmail.com (Justin Ryan) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:14:50 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone using Asterisk with VoIP on Linux? In-Reply-To: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77be04730807101914l1f7a416fue7c11b49d4e9485@mail.gmail.com> Howdy! We have a hosted Asterisk system which mosty serves VoIP clients via SIP and IAX2, and has VoIP incoming lines, but we are developing a "black box" which should include LDAP services, SugarCRM integration with Asterisk, Samba4, and Content / Document management via Web and WebDAV. Everything we develop will be F/OSS so we'd love to have input from people solving the problems of small to medium sized businesses and their challenges, and to provide F/OSS tools making their lives easier. We figure selling people who want to buy something fancy and expensive a hosted service connected to an all-purpose machine is the best way to get them into a support arrangement which they may in the future want to extend, based simply on what help we offer. Best! J 2008/7/10 John F. Strazzarino : > A friend is setting up a VoIP system for his office. It is a small > operation, he just wants to get 4 phones working. He does have a Trandnet > router with the IP phone plugged into it and he gets a dialtone, but that's > it. His Linux server has a myriad of error messages (of course, none of > which I have captured!) which would probably explain why the setup is not > working. > > > > Does anyone have any experience/knowledge of how to do this? > > > > I'm reading 'Asterisk for Dummies' like mad, so that would explain my > knowledge level. > > > > Also, do all phones in a VoIP system need to match (same model and features) > or can you just use 'any old' IP phone? > > > > Thanks > > > > John > > > > P.S. Feel free to contact me 'off list' if you feel that the discussion is > not appropriate to this list. > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -- Justin Alan Ryan Independent Interaction Architect http://www.bitmonk.net/ * : +1-415-226-1199 x2600 "I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem." -Hank Hill From justizin at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 19:18:25 2008 From: justizin at gmail.com (Justin Ryan) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:18:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Anyone using Asterisk with VoIP on Linux? In-Reply-To: <77be04730807101914l1f7a416fue7c11b49d4e9485@mail.gmail.com> References: <853053.26123.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <77be04730807101914l1f7a416fue7c11b49d4e9485@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77be04730807101918xb49f417m9d43674a222bfb35@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Justin Ryan wrote: > Howdy! > > We have a hosted Asterisk system which mosty serves VoIP clients via > SIP and IAX2, and has VoIP incoming lines, but we are developing a > "black box" which should include LDAP services, SugarCRM integration > with Asterisk, Samba4, and Content / Document management via Web and > WebDAV. > Apologies, "black box" is a bad term, which implies secrets, we call it "the box" for now until we come up with a product name. It's only meant to make people's lives easier with F/OSS. :) -- Justin Alan Ryan Independent Interaction Architect http://www.bitmonk.net/ * : +1-415-226-1199 x2600 "I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem." -Hank Hill From dennisharrison at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 20:27:22 2008 From: dennisharrison at gmail.com (Dennis J Harrison Jr) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:27:22 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Salutations from a new member. Message-ID: <6e8b29e0807102027o5c3e373ar6112bb76ffb36c6c@mail.gmail.com> Howdy all, Justin Ryan sent me the url for list subscription. I actually live near New Orleans, but since he and I communicate a lot on a professional level, and he lives in San Fransisco. Here I am. I visit CA often enough, anyhow :) My core competencies are: Networking, VoIP, and python. With some stuff here and there in between. Peace for now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080710/32904d25/attachment.htm From justizin at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 21:09:43 2008 From: justizin at gmail.com (Justin Ryan) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:09:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Salutations from a new member. In-Reply-To: <6e8b29e0807102027o5c3e373ar6112bb76ffb36c6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e8b29e0807102027o5c3e373ar6112bb76ffb36c6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77be04730807102109v2e68b0dfja42d1948c1e14c19@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/10 Dennis J Harrison Jr : > Howdy all, > > Justin Ryan sent me the url for list subscription. I actually live near > New Orleans, but since he and I communicate a lot on a professional level, > and he lives in San Fransisco. Here I am. I visit CA often enough, anyhow > :) Yeh I keep telling Dennis he should move to SF but he sure enjoys his visits. The two of us, BTW, are more than happy to support people in the Bay area. We offer VNC support of GNU/Linux, Windows, and Mac, server support, etc.. I was involved in, FWIW, the original CompTIA Linux+ and LPI steering efforts, and co-authored a book with Jon "Maddog" Hall, author of "Linux for Dummies". I taught one of the people at IBM Austin involved in porting AFS about how Linux and ext2 recognize inodes. > My core competencies are: > > Networking, VoIP, and python. With some stuff here and there in between. > FWIW, Dennis helped in the Katrina effort to develop a Satellite-based VoIP solution which could roll out the back of a pickup truck. He has, AFAIK, the best ideas for how to do VoIP without ToS. > Peace for now. > Dennis Rawks and I hope he move out to CA in coming few years, and visit us often! :) Best, J -- Justin Alan Ryan Independent Interaction Architect http://www.bitmonk.net/ * : +1-415-226-1199 x2600 "I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem." -Hank Hill From doug at unlikelysource.com Thu Jul 10 23:41:01 2008 From: doug at unlikelysource.com (Doug Bierer) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:41:01 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Toshiba Satellite Pro and Ubuntu 8.05??? Sorry About That, Gang Message-ID: <1215758461.15846.28.camel@dave> RE: that Toshiba Satellite Pro ... I just noticed my posting (copied from a friend) said Ubuntu 8.05 ... that should have been 8.04. Sorry about that, group!!! Too many late night postings I guess. (Even worse for him -- he's in another time zone, and is REALLY burning the midnight oil. db From doug at unlikelysource.com Thu Jul 10 22:50:05 2008 From: doug at unlikelysource.com (Doug Bierer) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:50:05 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Friendly Toshiba Message-ID: <1215755405.15846.21.camel@dave> A friend sent me an email which might be of interest to the group: "I happened to Ubuntu 8.04 on Satellite Pro 6100 laptop for someone (machine dates from about 2000) and was pleasantly surprised to find that it worked perfectly out of the box! "I discovered that the Toshiba website lists results for installing Ubuntu 8.05 for recent laptop models. Might be some good info for the SF LUG. " http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/linux/index.htm From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Sat Jul 12 10:31:32 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:31:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG 2008-07-15!: Mike Linksvayer (Creative Commons); and other BALUG News Message-ID: <1215883892.4878ea74ce782@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG 2008-07-15!: Mike Linksvayer (Creative Commons); and other BALUG News Contents: * BALUG 2008-07-15!: Mike Linksvayer (Creative Commons) * LinuxWorld, BALUG & SF-LUG, Installfest, etc. * upcoming BALUG meetings * Contacts, etc. ------------------------------ For the BALUG[0] 2008-07-15 meeting we are proud to present: Mike Linksvayer[1], Vice President of Creative Commons 2008-07-15 [16]Mike Linksvayer, Vice President, [2]Creative Commons Mike Linksvayer is Vice President of Creative Commons, having joined Creative Commons as CTO in April 2003. Previously he co-founded [3]Bitzi. He has over ten years experience as an enterprise software, web, and multimedia developer and consultant and holds a B.A. in economics from the [4]University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Creative Commons (CC) Share, Remix, Reuse. Legally. Creative Commons provides free tools that let authors, scientists, artists, and educators easily mark their creative work with the freedoms they want it to carry. You can use CC to change your copyright terms from "All Rights Reserved" to "Some Rights Reserved." Creative Commons is a nonprofit organization. Everything Creative Commons does, including the software created by Creative Commons, is free. Time, location, cost (if you want dinner), etc., please see: http://www.balug.org/#Meetings%20(general) If you intend to come, please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org Why RSVP? 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Installfest for Schools[8] Alameda County Computer Resource Center (ACCRC)[9] will supply hardware for massive Installfest for Schools, to donate open source (Ubuntu[10]) computers to schools in need. The event is organized by Untangle[11] and GES[12]. LinuxWorld attendees are encouraged to join the installfest by installing Ubuntu, hacking older hardware, or donating unwanted computers. For more information see: http://www.untangle.com/installfest 5. http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ 6. http://www.sf-lug.org/ 7. http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org 8. http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/ehall//SN264817 9. http://www.accrc.org/ 10. http://www.ubuntu.com/ 11. http://www.untangle.com/ 12. http://www.ges.com/ ------------------------------ upcoming BALUG meetings ... mark your calendars :-): * 2008-07-15 Mike Linksvayer, Vice President, Creative Commons * 2008-08-19 Chris Dibona * 2008-09-16[13] Ian Murdock, founder of Debian * ... BALUG generally meets the third Tuesday of the month. Subscribe to our low volume "announce"[14] list to be sure and hear about upcoming meetings and speakers/presentations. 13. This meeting will occur at a different venue; watch for updates. 14. http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org ------------------------------ Contacting BALUG: http://www.new.balug.org/#Contact Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org From asheesh at asheesh.org Mon Jul 14 07:58:24 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting & SliTaz 1.0 - 25 megabytes of GNU/Linux Power. In-Reply-To: <48742A19.1050202@california.com> References: <48742A19.1050202@california.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > John had a small customized IBM Thinkpad having replaced the > hard drive with solid state drives. > Two other enthusiasts were there and it is the fault of my > poor memory that I do not name them. I tried to do this by buying a CF<->IDE adapter, but my ThinkPad failed to recognize the CompactFlash card I used, even though it tested fine in other CF readers. Bobbie, I really appreciate this "meeting minutes" for those of us out-of-town temporarily! -- Asheesh. -- A method of solution is perfect if we can forsee from the start, and even prove, that following that method we shall attain our aim. -- Leibnitz From bliss at california.com Mon Jul 14 08:08:59 2008 From: bliss at california.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:08:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting & SliTaz 1.0 - 25 megabytes of GNU/Linux Power. In-Reply-To: References: <48742A19.1050202@california.com> Message-ID: <487B6C0B.3050904@california.com> Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> John had a small customized IBM Thinkpad having replaced the >> hard drive with solid state drives. >> Two other enthusiasts were there and it is the fault of my >> poor memory that I do not name them. > > I tried to do this by buying a CF<->IDE adapter, but my ThinkPad failed > to recognize the CompactFlash card I used, even though it tested fine in > other CF readers. Jim wrote this about SSD here's a blurb on solid state drives: And these new drives do not use the IDE I believe but one of the newer interfaces so it looks like selling them to users of older machines was not really important to the makers. > Bobbie, I really appreciate this "meeting minutes" for those of us > out-of-town temporarily! Thanks for the input. I will try to do a better job next time. > > -- Asheesh. > later bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste. From jstrazza at yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 17:19:39 2008 From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Desktop Relocation on Friday, July 18th @ 8am In-Reply-To: <2E17C382A3C9144DB308A26AE095A4CE369A93@PAOAKEXCH01.proactiveok.com> Message-ID: <694987.76405.qm@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All, ? Here is one of those computer relocation jobs. I believe that they pay about $20 per hour for one or two days work.? ? Sorry for the off-topic posting. ? From: Tamara Lawson Subject: Are you available for Babcock & Brown Desktop Relocation on Friday, July 18th @ 8am To: Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 3:57 PM Hello Team, I?d like to know if you are available for a desktop relocation project on Friday, July 18th at 8am. If you are available please e-mail me right away to verify your availability so that I can send you a confirmation letter. If you know any available techs please have them contact Karen Houston at 510-302-0120 x 234 or at KHouston at proactiveok.com. (SIDE NOTE: We still have available openings for Thursday?s project @ 3pm, if you are available please respond. If you have already responded then you will not need to again). Thanks Babcock and Brown Desktop Relocation July 18th, 2008? @ 8am ProActive will assist with the disconnect and reconnect of 300 desktops. The project will take place at 1 Letterman Dr, San Francisco (Presidio). The furniture is extremely expensive so please be very careful on this project. Scope of Responsibilities: De-rack/re-rack servers in the manner specified by Hewlett Packard. De-install/re-install servers in the manner specified by Hewlett Packard. ??????? PLEASE BE ON TIME. This is a new client who is very particular about performance and attendance. Tamara Lawson ProActive Business Solutions, Inc. 409 13th Street, 9th Floor Oakland, Ca 94612 Office (510) 302-0120 x 224 Fax (510) 302-0126 tlawson at proactiveok.com www.proactiveok.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080714/4dcacc57/attachment.html From jim at well.com Tue Jul 15 06:47:11 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:47:11 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: "Techie Pink Slip" and Recruiter Networking Event - in Union Square, San Francisco] Message-ID: <1216129631.6319.324.camel@ubuntu> This might be productive for those looking for work: -------------------------------------------------------- "Techie Pink Slip" and Technical Recruiter Networking Event Host: Daniel Parrillo and Keith Halperin Location: Cafe Royale - Union Square Area 800 Post Street @ Leavenworth, San Francisco, CA 94109 US When: Thursday, July 17, 5:30PM Phone: 415-695-1600 Remember the "Pink Slip Parties" from the good ole' dot.com days? Well - we're starting them up again... and we hope you will entertain joining us at - what we hope to be the first of several - networking events we'll be hosting here in San Francisco. We currently have recruiters interested in talking with software engineering technologists and intellects, successful technology and webservices sales and marketing professionals as well as technical recruiter opportunities (in-house corporate, contract and small business opportunities.) We are expecting each and every attendee to bring along ONE techie with them - so do not plan on coming alone. We also require a business card or a resume to enter this event. Hosts: Daniel Parrillo - Strategi LLC & Staffing Manager for Replay Solutions (www.replaysolutions.com) Keith Halperin - Emeritus For additional information about this event - please contact: Your partner in placement, Danny! Daniel Parrillo Strategi LLC 415-695-1600 dparrillo at strategi.biz Information on Public Transportation: ========================== Take BART / MUNI to the Powell Street Station Walk up Powell to Union Square - Post is on the other side of the park (for you shoppers - Sak's Williams-Sonoma, the old Disney Store) Walk up Post to Leavenworth (4 blocks) LinkedIn Jobs ? View job listing on LinkedIn ? Forward this job ? Reply to Daniel Parrillo P.S. If you cannot view the links, paste the appropriate link into your browser: Job Listing: http://www.linkedin.com/e/vjb/572583/ From doug at unlikelysource.com Tue Jul 15 13:02:21 2008 From: doug at unlikelysource.com (Doug Bierer) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:02:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: Ubuntu Linux saves the day!] Message-ID: <1216152141.24568.22.camel@dave> Thought this might interest the group. db -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Scott Mincey" Subject: Ubuntu Linux saves the day! Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:32:14 -0600 Size: 5181 Url: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080715/c20c976d/attachment.eml From sverma at sfsu.edu Tue Jul 15 16:27:40 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:27:40 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] OLPC-SF July meeting Message-ID: <487D326C.3080505@sfsu.edu> Details of the OLPC-SF July meeting are up at http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/529 Please forward to anyone who may be interested. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From jim at well.com Wed Jul 16 00:01:54 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:01:54 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: anybody have spare parts?] Message-ID: <1216191714.6319.352.camel@ubuntu> Vincent is part of the family that honchos ZaReason. He needs stuff. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Vincent Malmrose To: genundoryu at gmail.com Subject: anybody have spare parts? Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:58:27 -0700 Hi, Do any of you have extra computer parts laying around you're not using? I am working on my Eagle scout project and need donations of various computer parts (specs below). I will be upgrading the KIPP San Fransisco Bay Academy's computer lab and installing Edubuntu on all the computers. Currently the lab runs Ubuntu over the network but the computers are too slow and the kids are starting to say that, "Linux is slow". Not true! We need better computers, that's all. This will help bolster and aid the Linux community by having the whole school continue to use Linux. Components needed: 512 MB DDR RAM, but 256 MB DDR RAM is OK to donate GeForce or ATI video cards PIII-1000 CPU, or a P4 if you have any 40 GB Hard Drive To get the parts to me, you can either email me and I can pick them up, you can also drop them off at the school in SF on the 19th between 5:00 pm and 7:00 pm, or you could drop them off at the Java Cafe on Geary at 20th in San Francisco between 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM. Whichever one is easiest for you. I am working through the non-profit Partimus, so I can get you a donation receipt for tax purposes, charitable donation. Also, if you want to make a cash donation, Partimus can accept that for the project too. I think the best part of the project is reusing components. Feel free to forward this email to anyone else who you think might be able to contribute. The address for the school is 1430 Scott Street, San Francisco. Thank you, Vincent Malmrose, fellow Linux user From jim at well.com Wed Jul 16 00:06:14 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:06:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Asterisk Learning project Message-ID: <1216191974.6319.356.camel@ubuntu> Toya of San Francisco Community Colo Project has a box running Asterisk on her living room floor and thinks it would be good for her and others to learn how to use it. I'm up for going over to Toya's and Ryan's to play with the Asterisk software. I'd even pick up people on my way there and take 'em home on my way back. I'm guessing this would start after LinuxWorld, which is coming up v. soon, but we could start planning now. interested? jim From jim at well.com Wed Jul 16 14:04:31 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:04:31 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: UG News--Going to OSCON?] Message-ID: <1216242271.6319.392.camel@ubuntu> Anyone going to OSCON this coming week? I'd like to know myself and pass on this note from Marsee at O'Reilly. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Marsee Henon To: jim at well.com Subject: UG News--Going to OSCON? Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:29:27 -0700 Hi Are you attending OSCON in Portland this year? Let me know. I'll be hanging around the sessions and our expo hall booth. Can you pass this note along to your members who are going to OSCON? Got any old O'Reilly shirts at home? If so, bring them to OSCON! Be one of the first 50 people to come by the O'Reilly booth (#313) wearing one of our t-shirts to win cool prizes and be included in our t-shirt photo collage. The grand prize goes to the person who has more O'Reilly shirts than everyone else, so bring 'em all! Follow the O'Reilly booth on Twitter during the conference: http://twitter.com/oreillyatoscon for your chance to win prizes during the show. You can also follow http://twitter.com/oscon for ongoing conference updates throughout the show. Thanks for your help, Marsee ================================================================ O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://ug.oreilly.com/ ================================================================ From jackofnotrades at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 14:27:20 2008 From: jackofnotrades at gmail.com (Jeff Bragg) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:27:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: UG News--Going to OSCON?] In-Reply-To: <1216242271.6319.392.camel@ubuntu> References: <1216242271.6319.392.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <2f8a56f70807161427x2a65c52uf8d746ba4aa66d56@mail.gmail.com> I may be going in my boss' place due to a scheduling conflict. May not know for sure until sometime Friday though. Unfortunately, I have no O'Reilly shirts, but I'll still stop by their booth. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:04 PM, jim wrote: > > Anyone going to OSCON this coming week? > I'd like to know myself and pass on this > note from Marsee at O'Reilly. > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Marsee Henon > To: jim at well.com > Subject: UG News--Going to OSCON? > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:29:27 -0700 > > Hi > > Are you attending OSCON in Portland this year? Let me know. I'll be > hanging around the sessions and our expo hall booth. > > Can you pass this note along to your members who are going to OSCON? > > Got any old O'Reilly shirts at home? If so, bring them to OSCON! Be one > of the first 50 people to come by the O'Reilly booth (#313) wearing one of > our t-shirts to win cool prizes and be included in our t-shirt photo > collage. The grand prize goes to the person who has more O'Reilly shirts > than everyone else, so bring 'em all! > > Follow the O'Reilly booth on Twitter during the conference: > http://twitter.com/oreillyatoscon for your chance to win prizes during > the show. > > You can also follow http://twitter.com/oscon for ongoing conference > updates throughout the show. > > Thanks for your help, > > Marsee > > > ================================ > O'Reilly > 1005 Gravenstein Highway North > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > http://ug.oreilly.com/ > ================================ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1216242271.6319.392.camel@ubuntu> References: <1216242271.6319.392.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20080716214312.GA20560@sonic.net> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 02:04:31PM -0700, jim wrote: > > Anyone going to OSCON this coming week? > I'd like to know myself and pass on this > note from Marsee at O'Reilly. Is it ever going to be anywhere OTHER than Portland? Sheesh! :( -bill! From dennisharrison at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 15:47:45 2008 From: dennisharrison at gmail.com (Dennis J Harrison Jr) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:47:45 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Asterisk Learning project In-Reply-To: <1216191974.6319.356.camel@ubuntu> References: <1216191974.6319.356.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <6e8b29e0807161547q156e4490pd362b3afd3edbc45@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone here have a specific Asterisk question? On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:06 AM, jim wrote: > > Toya of San Francisco Community Colo Project has > a box running Asterisk on her living room floor and > thinks it would be good for her and others to learn > how to use it. > I'm up for going over to Toya's and Ryan's to > play with the Asterisk software. I'd even pick up > people on my way there and take 'em home on my way > back. > I'm guessing this would start after LinuxWorld, > which is coming up v. soon, but we could start > planning now. interested? > jim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 16:39:14 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:39:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: UG News--Going to OSCON?] In-Reply-To: <1216242271.6319.392.camel@ubuntu> References: <1216242271.6319.392.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:04 PM, jim wrote: > Anyone going to OSCON this coming week? > I'd like to know myself and pass on this > note from Marsee at O'Reilly. Please show your support and give a warm welcome to Andrew Harris, the 15 year old that I was able to coax into giving a talk this year at Ubuntu Live, that was eventually moved to OSCON due to cancellation :-) http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/2674 """ Teenbuntu: Reaching Out to Teens Andrew Harris (Teens on Linux.org) 4:30pm Thursday, 07/24/2008 People, Ubuntu Location: D135 This talk is given by Andrew "Tuna" Harris, the teenaged founder of TeensOnLinux.org, and Samuel Baldwin, a 15-year-old hacker from Boston. It will focus on three main points: why we should get teens involved in open source, getting them interested, and making freedom in software matter to them. Teens are a great market for open source. They love community and the "breaking away from the Man" sort of feeling, so they are quick to adopt alternatives to what everyone else uses (take that society!). As students, they usually aren't too busy to find some time to contribute something. It is also the age of learning and exploration of new ideas. Getting involved in Ubuntu and FOSS is a great way to learn something new. Many people say that Linux is a horrible platform for gaming, and for that reason, nobody but old Unix hackers with chest-length beards ever use it. However, with the development of tools like Wine and CrossOver, along with awesome games like Tremulous and OpenArena, that is becoming less and less true. Benchmark tests have shown that many games, such as World of Warcraft, actually run better on Linux using Wine than it does on Windows. Teens also use Windows for things like instant messaging and music. Pidgin and Mugshot's desktop integration make Ubuntu the ultimate OS for such purposes. Pidgin has become probably the best instant messaging client freely available on the Internet, with support for more protocols than any one person would ever use in their entire life. Users of Yahoo!, AIM, and even MSN will feel right at home with Pidgin. Amarok and Rythmbox both have Magnatune integration that is comparable to Apple's iTunes music store. You can listen to the songs directly from the player and buy albums just as you would with iTunes or Napster. The difference is that the music is DRM-free and licensed so that you are allowed to share the music you buy with a friend! I believe that teens could be a great and welcome addition to the Ubuntu community. Their ideas could push us into the mainstream and beyond. """ """ Andrew Harris Teens on Linux.org Andrew "Tuna" Harris is a 15 year old living in Arizona. He founded TeensOnLinux.org in the summer of 2007. His interests include programming, tea, heavy metal, European techno, and Open Source. Tuna likes to program in Ruby and Gambas, and prefers Earl Grey tea. Tuna has been using Ubuntu since his laptop refused to boot Windows about a year and a half ago. Ronnie Tucker of Full Circle Magazine recommended Kubuntu Dapper to him, and has been happily running the 'buntu's since. """ -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- CISSP, CEPT, CREA, CEH, Linux+, A+, QGCS, ACSA, this is getting ridiculous... http://kristian-hermansen.com From jasonstone at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 21:23:34 2008 From: jasonstone at gmail.com (jason stone) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:23:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: UG News--Going to OSCON?] In-Reply-To: <1216242271.6319.392.camel@ubuntu> References: <1216242271.6319.392.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: Yup. I'll be there. Probably hanging out with Sameer like last year. Good times! Too bad Ubuntu Live was killed off and merged with OSCON. Last years UL had more soul than OSCON IMO. <-- hows that for acronyms? Great chance to head up to Portland too! Great little city. The City that Works is their motto-- and it does too. I love how their public transportation is clean, gets you to most places, runs on time and is free in the central downtown area. Lots of little pubs, clubs and bars too. For those that are staying until at least Saturday, there will be an outdoor showing of the 80's movie Goonies at the Pioneer Courthouse Square. The details are over at Upcoming --> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/896952/ and http://www.pioneercourthousesquare.org/default.htm http://www.pioneercourthousesquare.org/calendar.shtm I dont have any Oreilly shirts-- I do own a slew of their books though. -jason On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:04 PM, jim wrote: > > Anyone going to OSCON this coming week? > I'd like to know myself and pass on this > note from Marsee at O'Reilly. > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Marsee Henon > To: jim at well.com > Subject: UG News--Going to OSCON? > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:29:27 -0700 > > Hi > > Are you attending OSCON in Portland this year? Let me know. I'll be > hanging around the sessions and our expo hall booth. > > Can you pass this note along to your members who are going to OSCON? > > Got any old O'Reilly shirts at home? If so, bring them to OSCON! Be one > of the first 50 people to come by the O'Reilly booth (#313) wearing one of > our t-shirts to win cool prizes and be included in our t-shirt photo > collage. The grand prize goes to the person who has more O'Reilly shirts > than everyone else, so bring 'em all! > > Follow the O'Reilly booth on Twitter during the conference: > http://twitter.com/oreillyatoscon for your chance to win prizes during > the show. > > You can also follow http://twitter.com/oscon for ongoing conference > updates throughout the show. > > Thanks for your help, > > Marsee > > > ================================================================ > O'Reilly > 1005 Gravenstein Highway North > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > http://ug.oreilly.com/ > ================================================================ > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From bill at wards.net Thu Jul 17 12:00:09 2008 From: bill at wards.net (bill at wards.net) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:00:09 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] NEXT WEEK: PenLUG meeting 07/24/2008 Message-ID: PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS: +---------------------------------------------------------------+ |Date: |Thursday, July 24th, 2008 | |---------+-----------------------------------------------------| |Time: |meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM| |---------+-----------------------------------------------------| | |Bayshore Technology Park | |Location:|1300 Island Drive | | |Redwood City, CA 94065 | | |Suite 106 - Training Room | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Robert Scott, Alpaca Although Linux has all of the necessary tools to do networking, including gateway devices, it is missing a comprehensive configuration utility to stitch it all together. At the end of the day, networking in Linux is hard, and we thought it was time for a change. We wanted something that was powerful, easy to use and looked good. We wanted to make open source networking sexy. Thus, we embarked on a journey to unite both classical and romantic beauty by marrying some of the most powerful tools in Linux Networking with some of the most celebrated web technologies. What emerged was the *Untangle Net Alpaca* -- a new open source networking utility that presents a consistent, reliable platform for setting up a wide range of networking tasks, including PPPoE Management, NAT, Redirect, Packet Filtering, Bridging, DNS, DHCP (dnsmasq), and more. At this talk, we will go through the design and function of Untangle Net Alpaca and demonstrate how you can use it to easily provide network services at the gateway. Robert Scott is a keyboard operator at Untangle. He is a passionate member of the Free and Open Source Software community with over 10 years of Linux experience and dedicates some of his time to developing an Open Source Car Stereo at cadvium.net. He enjoys working in a wide range of languages and development environments. He graduated with a degree in Computer Science from Harvard University in 2002. RSVP Although it is not required, we like to have an idea of how many people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you are planning to attend. GETTING THERE For information on getting to the meeting, please see: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1300+Island+Drive,+Redwood+City,+CA http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/DrivingDirectionsQualys http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/TransitDirectionsQualys Traffic on 101 can be pretty bad in the evening, so we encourage you to check traffic conditions before driving by dialing 5-1-1 on your phone or visiting www.511.org, and if possible to take public transit (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting. MORE INFORMATION See www.penlug.org for more information. This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists: members at penlug.org announce at penlug.org sf-lug at linuxmafia.com balug-talk at lists.balug.org baylisa at baylisa.org svlug at lists.svlug.org svevents at yahoogroups.com Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes. From jim at well.com Fri Jul 18 08:20:14 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:20:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meets this Monday at 6 at the Javacat Message-ID: <1216394414.6299.26.camel@ubuntu> SF-LUG meets this Monday, August 21, at the Javacat cafe on Geary at 20th in San Francisco from 6:00 to 8:00 or so. Two books for give-away: * Dojo, Using the Dojo Javascript Library to Build Ajax Applications by James E. Harmon, Pub Addison Wesley * Refactoring HTML, Improving the Design of Existing Web Applications by Elliotte Rusty Harold, Pub Addison Wesley From mikkimc at earthlink.net Fri Jul 18 11:23:53 2008 From: mikkimc at earthlink.net (Mikki McGee) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:23:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sugested posting; & questions of second hard-drive utilizations? In-Reply-To: <1216394414.6299.26.camel@ubuntu> References: <1216394414.6299.26.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <4880DFB9.1020309@earthlink.net> *Hi, all; Jim suggested I post the following excerpt of an e-mail I sent to him:* So, I had a small collapse of the desktop (8 years old, and the > 'repository' of my 'data.') The mouse died in the process of editing > and backing up the Hard Drive. It appeared to others the symptoms of a > hard drive failure, and while exploring hard drive options, I decided > to move the mouse to the Ancient Acer machine for practice. It didn't > work, not there or on the laptop I am now using for most things. (I am > keeping current work separate from file reorganizations.) So I bought > a breeding pair of optical mice, and maybe I can get into business? > But the hard drive purchase had been a low priority thing for quite a > while - I had got a laptop size USB-case once, as it was there, so now > there is a 160g drive in it, partitioned 100 and 60g, and I am > contemplating what to do with it - the best utilization. I will put > that onto the Bulletin Board-Group site? *Regarding that hard drive: It will be brought to the meeting, with the working laptop (40g HD Ubuntu 7.10). I am not a computer savvy person. I use them, haven't liked them, since DOS died, until Ubuntu. I really am in the dark about the best utilization, for general use, for these three hard-drives, all working well at the moment. A non-Ubuntu friend purchased it, and partitioned it 100/60 with Partition Magick. The laptop recognized it and partitions with USB external. connection. The immediate need not real, but it is a useful device, and I think it may be used for any of: 1) backup data ? 2) replacement for the laptop 40g(100& Ubuntu 7.10, working drive) going to a) image copy of the current drive (with a Visioneer scanner hand configured, desired) ? b) straight download copy of U-8.04 (160g? 100g? 60g?) c) make the image copy as a) and try to convert to 8.04, see if th**e V**isioneer configuration is transferred on one or the other? 3) Replace the dual boot on desktop (XP-Pro, not used, and Ubuntu 6.04) and try to run 8.04 straight, in one of the configurations? I am interested in feedback - perhaps at the meeting? This may seem trivial, but I have little money, on Social Security, and trying to make the best choice. Bless All Mikki * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080718/336e4802/attachment.htm From rondosxx at yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 17:06:57 2008 From: rondosxx at yahoo.com (ron) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: UG News--Going to OSCON?] (jason stone) Message-ID: <61307.73688.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > I dont have any Oreilly shirts-- I do own a slew of their books > though. -jason Why not wear the books? From jasonstone at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 18:28:18 2008 From: jasonstone at gmail.com (jason stone) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:28:18 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: UG News--Going to OSCON?] (jason stone) In-Reply-To: <61307.73688.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <61307.73688.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: that is an idea... if they are the small O'Reilly booklets, I can piece them together like chainmail. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 5:06 PM, ron wrote: >> I dont have any Oreilly shirts-- I do own a slew of their books >> though. -jason > > Why not wear the books? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Sat Jul 19 09:57:04 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:57:04 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] anybody have spare parts--change of time Message-ID: <1216486624.6299.34.camel@ubuntu> Earl writes: The time for this Saturday has been moved to 2 to 3:30. We're pretty well covered for people, but if you have some donations to drop off, that'd be great. Jim writes: I believe the place is the KIPP school on the corner of Geary and Scott. From jim at well.com Mon Jul 21 08:23:17 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:23:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Meeting tonight (Monday) at Javacat Message-ID: <1216653797.10905.8.camel@ubuntu> don't forget, SF-LUG meets tonight at the Javacat on Geary at 20th in San Francisco from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM or so. Two books from Addison Wesley for giveaway: Refactoring HTML and Dojo. Also, if you can help at the LUG booth at LinuxWorld coming up (August 5 through 7), please let me know (booth 14 in the .Org pavilion). From genundoryu at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 20:58:27 2008 From: genundoryu at gmail.com (Vincent Malmrose) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:58:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] anybody have spare parts? Message-ID: <3f4123cb0807152058l610cc0d6s71a8736c9ee016d0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Do any of you have extra computer parts laying around you're not using? I am working on my Eagle scout project and need donations of various computer parts (specs below). I will be upgrading the KIPP San Fransisco Bay Academy's computer lab and installing Edubuntu on all the computers. Currently the lab runs Ubuntu over the network but the computers are too slow and the kids are starting to say that, "Linux is slow". Not true! We need better computers, that's all. This will help bolster and aid the Linux community by having the whole school continue to use Linux. Components needed: 512 MB DDR RAM, but 256 MB DDR RAM is OK to donate GeForce or ATI video cards PIII-1000 CPU, or a P4 if you have any 40 GB Hard Drive To get the parts to me, you can either email me and I can pick them up, you can also drop them off at the school in SF on the 19th between 5:00 pm and 7:00 pm, or you could drop them off at the Java Cafe on Geary at 20th in San Francisco between 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM. Whichever one is easiest for you. I am working through the non-profit Partimus , so I can get you a donation receipt for tax purposes, charitable donation. Also, if you want to make a cash donation, Partimus can accept that for the project too. I think the best part of the project is reusing components. Feel free to forward this email to anyone else who you think might be able to contribute. The address for the school is 1430 Scott Street, San Francisco. Thank you, Vincent Malmrose, fellow Linux user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080715/f2576609/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Mon Jul 21 10:24:21 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:24:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Vincent's latest request for spare parts Message-ID: <1216661061.10905.17.camel@ubuntu> -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Vincent Malmrose To: jim Subject: Re: [Fwd: [sf-lug] Vol 32, Issue 7 spare parts] Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:14:58 -0700 I need 256 or more RAM, 40 GB harddrive, P4's, and ATI/GeForce Video cards. I can come over to pick up the parts either Monday before 6 or Tuesday before noon. Thanks, Vincent Malmrose From wellmanron at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 12:27:36 2008 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:27:36 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] anybody have spare parts? Message-ID: <2a0eb8360807211227n16bd5ea0r8d337f28a8ea9969@mail.gmail.com> Vincent, I think I have 512 MB memory but I have to confirm. But the real reason I'm writing is to tell you about the need for cleaning those computers. Air passages are blocked with wads of lint, etc. You need to have a working industrial vac there, not just one of those little toy computer vacs.. ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080721/f8d40687/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Mon Jul 21 22:41:07 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:41:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Open Source Workshop at Linux World: C, C++ and Python on Mobile Devices] Message-ID: <1216705267.10905.54.camel@ubuntu> as seen on BayPIGgies mailing list... Open Source Goes Mobile Workshop http://mktools.forum.nokia.com/invitation/opensourcegoesmobile Date, Time & Location August 6th, 2008 9:30am - 4:00pm Moscone center South Hall, 747 Howard street San Fracisco, CA East Mezzanine Level, Room 222 Event Overview Nokia invites all Open source developers (Linux, C, C++, Python) for a fun filled Mobile Open Source Developer Day in San Francisco, organized alongside LinuxWorld held in Moscone Center in early August. In this event we will show you how to develop open source applications for S60 smart phones -- The World's Biggest Smart Phone Community. We will tell you about new business opportunities, provide latest technical updates and also give some technical training for open source development on mobile devices. You will hear from industry experts on topics like Python, Qt, Open C++, STL and Maemo. _______________________________________________ Baypiggies mailing list Baypiggies at python.org To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From bliss at california.com Tue Jul 22 00:15:13 2008 From: bliss at california.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:15:13 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: New flash technology promises millions of writes, centuries of use] Message-ID: <48858901.7040806@california.com> I mentioned this to several people at the meeting and since no one had heard of this technology I thought the list might be either aware or interested. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [TAML-WNT] New flash technology promises millions of writes, centuries of use Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:12:09 -0700 From: Odd H. Sandvik Reply-To: taml at lists.worldnewstrust.com To: taml http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2008/07/18/new-flash-technology-promises-millions-of-writes-centuries-of-use -- Odd _______________________________________________ TAML mailing list TAML at lists.worldnewstrust.com http://lists.worldnewstrust.com/listinfo.cgi/taml-worldnewstrust.com later Bobbie Sellers aka bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste. From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jul 22 01:19:45 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:19:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: New flash technology promises millions of writes, centuries of use] In-Reply-To: <48858901.7040806@california.com> References: <48858901.7040806@california.com> Message-ID: <20080722081944.GD21273@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss at california.com): > I mentioned this to several people at the meeting and > since no one had heard of this technology I thought the list > might be either aware or interested. The improvement in write-cycle limits is good, but it's not at all clear that engineering limits thus far characteristic of the discussed Ferroelectric RAM technology can ever be overcome: very low memory density compared to NAND flash RAM (what's currently used in commodity flash memory), and high manufacturing cost. We'll have to see what happens when/if the commercial potential gets explored. Low memory density is a particular problem, and has confined other technology to niches before, e.g., static RAM. From jim at well.com Tue Jul 22 19:26:22 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:26:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [PenLUG] Fwd: [svlug] Fwd: Open source goes mobile] Message-ID: <1216779982.10905.92.camel@ubuntu> summary: read the link, free admission to mobile linux developer-thon wednesday august 6 at moscone, for those of you who'll be at linuxworld and want more: http://mktools.forum.nokia.com/invitation/opensourcegoesmobile -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Bill Ward To: PenLUG Members Subject: [PenLUG] Fwd: Open source goes mobile Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:54:36 -0700 In case you didn't see this on the SVLUG list... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:40 PM Subject: [svlug] Open source goes mobile To: svlug at lists.svlug.org Hello, Nokia is organizing a fun filled Mobile Open Source Developer Day in San Francisco, (Linux, C, C++, Python) alongside LinuxWorld held in Moscone Center in early August. In this event we will show you how to develop open source applications for S60 smart phones -- The World's Biggest Smart Phone Community. We will tell you about new business opportunities, provide latest technical updates and also give some technical training for open source development on mobile devices. You will hear from industry experts on topics like Python, Qt, Open C++, STL and Maemo. We want to keep the event as interactive as possible. You can suggest your own topic and we can talk about that in detail with you. If you want to start building your own open source applications for mobile devices, bring your laptop with you, as we will provide you all the necessary tools along with step by step instructions on developing and porting an existing open source application. Prizes will be distributed throughout the event - including Nokia N95 - 8GB smart phones and N800 Internet tablets. The Event is Free for all developers and as a courtesy for attending this event we are giving a one-day free pass to LinuxWorld. If you will like to attend please register using the below link. http://mktools.forum.nokia.com/invitation/opensourcegoesmobile Thanks, Ravi _______________________________________________ svlug mailing list svlug at lists.svlug.org http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/svlug _______________________________________________ PenLUG-Members mailing list PenLUG-Members at penlug.org http://www.penlug.org/mailman/listinfo/penlug-members From gareth.cates at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 02:00:35 2008 From: gareth.cates at gmail.com (Gareth Cates) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:00:35 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] new to this list Message-ID: <9cab4fc80807230200n611e5a8uec63b17206cfbed@mail.gmail.com> hi, I have just started using Linux, and so I wanted to say hi. I got two computers for my two kids from neighbors who threw out their old computers because they had viruses. I heard that the Ubuntu brand was easy to use. A teacher friend of mine from Oakland gave me a CD with Ubuntu on it, and it was fairly easy to install. I work at an SF hotel, and I am married with two kids, and so I will only have time to pop in occasionally on this list. But I thought I would say hi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080723/2d90ac76/attachment.htm From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 06:38:34 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:38:34 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] new to this list In-Reply-To: <9cab4fc80807230200n611e5a8uec63b17206cfbed@mail.gmail.com> References: <9cab4fc80807230200n611e5a8uec63b17206cfbed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome! You are quite courageous to have just jumped right in without much assistance. Very cool indeed. Cheers and good luck :-). We'll be here if you need us for any help on you linux journey... On 7/23/08, Gareth Cates wrote: > hi, > > I have just started using Linux, and so I wanted to say hi. I got two > computers for my two kids from neighbors who threw out their old computers > because they had viruses. I heard that the Ubuntu brand was easy to use. A > teacher friend of mine from Oakland gave me a CD with Ubuntu on it, and it > was fairly easy to install. > > I work at an SF hotel, and I am married with two kids, and so I will only > have time to pop in occasionally on this list. But I thought I would say > hi. > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Kristian Erik Hermansen --- PUSH EBP, 0x55 From jim at well.com Wed Jul 23 06:59:34 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:59:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] new to this list In-Reply-To: <9cab4fc80807230200n611e5a8uec63b17206cfbed@mail.gmail.com> References: <9cab4fc80807230200n611e5a8uec63b17206cfbed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1216821574.10905.105.camel@ubuntu> hi, gareth, and welcome. they threw out their computers because they had viruses? wow! if you have questions, post 'em to this list and we'll try to help you. jim On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 02:00 -0700, Gareth Cates wrote: > hi, > > I have just started using Linux, and so I wanted to say hi. I got two > computers for my two kids from neighbors who threw out their old > computers because they had viruses. I heard that the Ubuntu brand was > easy to use. A teacher friend of mine from Oakland gave me a CD with > Ubuntu on it, and it was fairly easy to install. > > I work at an SF hotel, and I am married with two kids, and so I will > only have time to pop in occasionally on this list. But I thought I > would say hi. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From a_kleider at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 08:48:21 2008 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] new to this list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <750662.81293.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Welcome to Gareth, of course. As an aside: I have found that his experience of easily finding computers that others have discarded is not uncommon. I often recommend to people who are seeking an inexpensive computer to simply ask among their friends and acquaintances if they have anything that they are no longer using and want rid of. I have certainly acquired more than one this way. Then it's on to the fun of installing Linux. --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > From: Kristian Erik Hermansen > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] new to this list > To: "Gareth Cates" , sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:38 AM > Welcome! You are quite courageous to have just jumped right > in > without much assistance. Very cool indeed. Cheers and > good luck :-). > We'll be here if you need us for any help on you linux > journey... > > > > On 7/23/08, Gareth Cates > wrote: > > hi, > > > > I have just started using Linux, and so I wanted to > say hi. I got two > > computers for my two kids from neighbors who threw out > their old computers > > because they had viruses. I heard that the Ubuntu > brand was easy to use. A > > teacher friend of mine from Oakland gave me a CD with > Ubuntu on it, and it > > was fairly easy to install. > > > > I work at an SF hotel, and I am married with two kids, > and so I will only > > have time to pop in occasionally on this list. But I > thought I would say > > hi. > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > Kristian Erik Hermansen > --- > PUSH EBP, 0x55 > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 23 09:58:07 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:58:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] new to this list In-Reply-To: <1216821574.10905.105.camel@ubuntu> References: <9cab4fc80807230200n611e5a8uec63b17206cfbed@mail.gmail.com> <1216821574.10905.105.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20080723165806.GN21273@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim (jim at well.com): > hi, gareth, and welcome. they threw out their computers because they > had viruses? wow! Yes, of course they did. Didn't you know that viruses are dangerous? The only responsible thing to do, with computers that even are suspected of being virus-infected, is bring them to local LUG installfests, where trained professionals will make them all better. Tell all your friends. From afife at untangle.com Thu Jul 24 12:54:49 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Installfest for Schools Message-ID: <00f401c8edc7$22144e10$663cea30$@com> Hi Folks: I'm very pleased to announce that Untangle & ACCRC have teamed up with LinuxWorld (Aug 5-7) for our second Installfest for Schools. The first ACCRC/Untangle Installfest for Schools in March refurbished 350 Ubuntu computers for schools[1]. This time we've gotten a large booth on the expo floor and will have workstations setup for volunteers to refurbish recycled computers with Ubuntu and GnewSense. We particularly need help with the following: 1)Installing Ubuntu and/or gNewSense 2)Hacking older hardware and identifying good/bad components You can signup for a work station here: http://www.untangle.com/installfest Also, if you know of a school in need of computers that's willing to try GNU/Linux please nominate them here: http://www.untangle.com/index.php?option=com_collect&task=installfestNomin ate&Itemid=1426 And if you have an older computer that you want to donate or recycle, please bring it to LinuxWorld. ACCRC will have a collection booth setup and can provide tax deductable receipts. PIII and newer systems will be refurbished with Ubuntu for schools. Older systems will be recycled properly by the ACCRC. Lastly, we are always looking for help getting the word out. If you want to give the event some love on your blog, Digg, StumbleUpon, Slashdot, or some crazy forum please link to the main installfest page, which is http://www.untangle.com/installfest Thanks so much for your help! -Andrew P.S. The LinuxWorld Expo free if you register before the conference starts here: https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/lnsf2008/ga/index2.html References: [1]Here is a writeup of the first event: http://lwn.net/Articles/273770/ and here are some pictures: http://www.untangle.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=355&Item id=139 -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080724/f9f5fc28/attachment.htm From einfeldt at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 19:00:12 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:00:12 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] new to this list In-Reply-To: <9cab4fc80807230200n611e5a8uec63b17206cfbed@mail.gmail.com> References: <9cab4fc80807230200n611e5a8uec63b17206cfbed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5781040807241900i2ee07fb8v54633511892c45c7@mail.gmail.com> hi 2008/7/23 Gareth Cates : > hi, > > I have just started using Linux, and so I wanted to say hi. > Welcome to the list. I'm sure that someone already told you this, but there are meetings two times per month if you want to meet people who use Linux, if you have quesions, etc. > I got two computers for my two kids > There is a public middle school in SF that we are supporting with FOSS. If you are interested in this, I could tell you more about it. Basically, we are building a lab there; we are placing Linux computers in classrooms; and we are giving computers away to kids. Please feel free to email this list if any of this is interesting to you. c u -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080724/402e72f9/attachment.htm From wellmanron at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 12:47:14 2008 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:47:14 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] anybody have spare parts? Message-ID: <2a0eb8360807251247s2157809bvcfe945a7df730d51@mail.gmail.com> vincent, I have 2 sticks of 256M DDR. Can you use it? If so, how to get it to you? I can mail it, forget driving across town for it. ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can mail it, forget driving across town for it. > > ron > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From einfeldt at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 14:31:42 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:31:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] anybody have spare parts? In-Reply-To: <1217018339.10905.153.camel@ubuntu> References: <2a0eb8360807251247s2157809bvcfe945a7df730d51@mail.gmail.com> <1217018339.10905.153.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <4b5781040807251431x6e99cb91g24749d6fc886aee8@mail.gmail.com> hi On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:38 PM, jim wrote: > > toya and ryan, of san francisco community colocation > project ( http://www.sfccp.net ) have given me a 2U box > to deliver to you. i'm willing to pick up ron's thing, > if i know where to go, and deliver to you. > specify yes, when, where. I did speak with Earl Malmrose today, and he will be at the school at 6 pm tonight. I will be at the school at 5 to 7 pm tonight. Some of us also will be at the school tomorrow afternoon and evening. I won't be there until evening, as I will be filming the Felton installfest called Lindependence 2008, but I will be there later in the evening. http://lindependence.net/ Jim, if you are free tomorrow and would like to go to Felton, please let me know. Sorry about the last minute notice, but I could not avoid it, since this week was OScon and the Malmrose crew was up there, and I was not sure what they would be doing tomorrow until today. c u -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080725/79bbc12d/attachment.htm From a10cuba at hotmail.com Fri Jul 25 17:18:18 2008 From: a10cuba at hotmail.com (terry sanford) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:18:18 +0000 Subject: [sf-lug] hp xw8000 /amd mb/agp cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hay every one i just got back from goodwill on vaness st saw 2 hp workstation towers 250$ xw8000 models dual xeon's with 6 ddr(12gb max) slots good deal if you want an expandable system that wont break the bank. does any one have or know some one selling an amd socket 939 mother board. i have 2 nvidia agp cards looking for a new home one is a 6800xt 512mb and the other is a 7600 256mg 50$ and 25$. _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080726/808ff1d8/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Fri Jul 25 18:30:09 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:30:09 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] anybody have spare parts? In-Reply-To: <4b5781040807251431x6e99cb91g24749d6fc886aee8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a0eb8360807251247s2157809bvcfe945a7df730d51@mail.gmail.com> <1217018339.10905.153.camel@ubuntu> <4b5781040807251431x6e99cb91g24749d6fc886aee8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217035809.10905.163.camel@ubuntu> i'm committed this weekend, although not so much that i can't bring by toya's and ryan's computer along with a computer donated by susanna, this on saturday a little after noon. i can run around and pick up other stuff from other people around that time, too. On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 14:31 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:38 PM, jim wrote: > > toya and ryan, of san francisco community colocation > project ( http://www.sfccp.net ) have given me a 2U box > to deliver to you. i'm willing to pick up ron's thing, > if i know where to go, and deliver to you. > specify yes, when, where. > > > I did speak with Earl Malmrose today, and he will be at the school at > 6 pm tonight. I will be at the school at 5 to 7 pm tonight. Some of > us also will be at the school tomorrow afternoon and evening. I won't > be there until evening, as I will be filming the Felton installfest > called Lindependence 2008, but I will be there later in the evening. > > http://lindependence.net/ > > Jim, if you are free tomorrow and would like to go to Felton, please > let me know. Sorry about the last minute notice, but I could not > avoid it, since this week was OScon and the Malmrose crew was up > there, and I was not sure what they would be doing tomorrow until > today. > > c u > -- > Christian Einfeldt, > Producer, The Digital Tipping Point > From einfeldt at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 20:19:00 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:19:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] anybody have spare parts? In-Reply-To: <1217035809.10905.163.camel@ubuntu> References: <2a0eb8360807251247s2157809bvcfe945a7df730d51@mail.gmail.com> <1217018339.10905.153.camel@ubuntu> <4b5781040807251431x6e99cb91g24749d6fc886aee8@mail.gmail.com> <1217035809.10905.163.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <4b5781040807252019s6a0d205al747edccc21e5e2a3@mail.gmail.com> hi Jim, Thanks so much for getting those parts! Vincent is here with me a group of us at the school for his Eagle project. Vincent says that he will be here from 4 to 8 pm tomorrow. Would it be convenient for you to drop off the stuff at the school during those hours? You will need to email Vincent to set that up with him. I might be able to pick up the stuff on my way back from Felton, although I am hoping to go straight from Felton back to the school. I will call you tomorrow to see how you are doing. Is that okay for you? Thanks either way a great deal for your help, Jim. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:30 PM, jim wrote: > > i'm committed this weekend, although not so > much that i can't bring by toya's and ryan's > computer along with a computer donated by > susanna, this on saturday a little after noon. > i can run around and pick up other stuff > from other people around that time, too. > > > > > On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 14:31 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > hi > > > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:38 PM, jim wrote: > > > > toya and ryan, of san francisco community colocation > > project ( http://www.sfccp.net ) have given me a 2U box > > to deliver to you. i'm willing to pick up ron's thing, > > if i know where to go, and deliver to you. > > specify yes, when, where. > > > > > > I did speak with Earl Malmrose today, and he will be at the school at > > 6 pm tonight. I will be at the school at 5 to 7 pm tonight. Some of > > us also will be at the school tomorrow afternoon and evening. I won't > > be there until evening, as I will be filming the Felton installfest > > called Lindependence 2008, but I will be there later in the evening. > > > > http://lindependence.net/ > > > > Jim, if you are free tomorrow and would like to go to Felton, please > > let me know. Sorry about the last minute notice, but I could not > > avoid it, since this week was OScon and the Malmrose crew was up > > there, and I was not sure what they would be doing tomorrow until > > today. > > > > c u > > -- > > Christian Einfeldt, > > Producer, The Digital Tipping Point > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080725/48199903/attachment.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jul 27 12:18:27 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:18:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net Message-ID: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> My domain-check script informs me that the sf-lug.net domain was allowed to expire 25 days ago. If y'all want it back, I'm pretty sure it's possible to ransom^W renew it from Network Solutions, but you'll need to move on that. From jim at well.com Sun Jul 27 12:56:44 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:56:44 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> References: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> we've kept sf-lug.org and sf-lug.com you're right, net...solutions has let me know that i can still pay them money to reclaim the sf-lug.net domain name. despite nathan's advice that paying the money and keeping the sf-lug.net name will protect us from others taking that name and somehow damaging us, i applied the following reasoning: f... it, "they" probably won't, and if they do, so what. i could be wrong, and often am. if someone's got advice to the contrary, i'm open to listening and even thinking, maybe even paying. many thanks, rick. jim On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 12:18 -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > My domain-check script informs me that the sf-lug.net domain was allowed > to expire 25 days ago. If y'all want it back, I'm pretty sure it's > possible to ransom^W renew it from Network Solutions, but you'll need to > move on that. > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From justizin at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 13:06:15 2008 From: justizin at gmail.com (Justin Ryan) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:06:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> References: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <77be04730807271306n12a9949bw6003afb72fa7e105@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:56 PM, jim wrote: > > i could be wrong, and often am. if someone's > got advice to the contrary, i'm open to listening > and even thinking, maybe even paying. > Do they want a registration fee, or, as Rick put it, "Ransom"? If they'll authorize a transfer, I'd be glad to pick it up from another registrar, but it is not listed as available. Even very large organizations like ACM SIGGRAPH typically do not spend the $1k+ to litigate or bribe their trademarks back into play, and I've had clients pay for domains which they never regained control of. In the end, people will use Google, et. al. :) -- Justin Alan Ryan Independent Interaction Architect http://www.bitmonk.net/ * : +1-415-226-1199 x2600 "All because of a bunch of stuff that happened.." -Homer Simpson From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jul 27 13:48:51 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:48:51 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> References: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20080727204851.GB21059@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim (jim at well.com): > despite nathan's advice that paying the money > and keeping the sf-lug.net name will protect us > from others taking that name and somehow damaging > us, i applied the following reasoning: f... it, > "they" probably won't, and if they do, so what. Back in the day, I made a similar decision regarding linuxmafia-dot-otherthings other than .COM. I could easily have grabbed every conceivable variant of the name -- but each additional variant would have been an additional $35/year out of my wallet. (This was back in the days of the Netsol registrar monopoly.) So, the Slackware guys registered and operated linuxmafia.org for their packages information site for a long time, but I see is now being offered for sale by squatters^W entrepreneurs. linuxmafia.net is owned by some guy in Georgia, and appears to house a Web forum devoted to legally questionable download files. The only real disadvantage I've encountered is when people don't listen when I say "linuxmafia.COM" and tell me all they found was stuff about Slackware. From jim at well.com Sun Jul 27 13:57:24 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:57:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <77be04730807271306n12a9949bw6003afb72fa7e105@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> <77be04730807271306n12a9949bw6003afb72fa7e105@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217192244.10905.258.camel@ubuntu> their email to me seems to imply a registration fee. i'm taking rick's language as morally-based sarcasm. i'm not surprised sf-lug.net doesn't appear as available, and that's a possible discussion topic: once someone's used some corporate entity such as network solutions to register a domain name, i'm guessing if the domain name expires, the corporate entity retains control at least for a little while. the first hope would be to sell it to the original registering owner. a second hope might be to sell it to a squatter or to retain the domain name as a squatter. assuming some of the above is at work, how to rescue the domain name? in this case i'm guessing i could pay them their registration ransom and once i've regained legal control i could switch the entity with which the domain name is registered. the interesting part to me is how to switch the control of the domain name from any of the for-profit companies in this business to some entity or entities that could in some way support the valid existence of the domain name without charge or at least perhaps a smaller cost or even the same cost but with a more morally appealing cast. this would not include go-daddy, which seems to have a low cost but a distinctly tawdry appeal. On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 13:06 -0700, Justin Ryan wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:56 PM, jim wrote: > > > > > i could be wrong, and often am. if someone's > > got advice to the contrary, i'm open to listening > > and even thinking, maybe even paying. > > > > Do they want a registration fee, or, as Rick put it, "Ransom"? > > If they'll authorize a transfer, I'd be glad to pick it up from > another registrar, but it is not listed as available. > > Even very large organizations like ACM SIGGRAPH typically do not spend > the $1k+ to litigate or bribe their trademarks back into play, and > I've had clients pay for domains which they never regained control of. > > In the end, people will use Google, et. al. :) > From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jul 27 13:59:56 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:59:56 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <77be04730807271306n12a9949bw6003afb72fa7e105@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> <77be04730807271306n12a9949bw6003afb72fa7e105@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080727205956.GC21059@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Justin Ryan (justizin at gmail.com): > Do they want a registration fee, or, as Rick put it, "Ransom"? > > If they'll authorize a transfer, I'd be glad to pick it up from > another registrar, but it is not listed as available. A number of Very Bad Things happen to a domain following it reaching the expiration date. The details differ by registrar. What's _supposed_ to happen 75 days after registration is release back into the general pool; this sometimes happens, often not (ICANN's rules being spottily enforced). During the 75-day period, registrars often play money-making games with the erstwhile registrant (owner) and others. Registrar Network Solutions appears to be in the middle of this games-playing period: It gives speculator Snapnames.com control. See link below. > Even very large organizations like ACM SIGGRAPH typically do not spend > the $1k+ to litigate or bribe their trademarks back into play, and > I've had clients pay for domains which they never regained control of. You might find this to be interesting reading: "Domain Expiration" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Network_Other/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jul 27 14:34:00 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:34:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <1217192244.10905.258.camel@ubuntu> References: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> <77be04730807271306n12a9949bw6003afb72fa7e105@mail.gmail.com> <1217192244.10905.258.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20080727213400.GD21059@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim (jim at well.com): > their email to me seems to imply a registration fee. > i'm taking rick's language as morally-based sarcasm. In a way -- though gratuitous moralism is invariably a poor teacher: It's more fruitful to make sure one understands the domain-expiration process, and then there are no (or few) surprises. One of my heroes, the late Rep. Barbara Jordan (D-TX), used to say: "If you're going to play the game, you need to know every rule." > once someone's used some corporate entity such as > network solutions to register a domain name, i'm > guessing if the domain name expires, the corporate > entity retains control at least for a little while. > the first hope would be to sell it to the original > registering owner. a second hope might be to sell > it to a squatter or to retain the domain name as > a squatter. There's supposed to be (per ICANN regulations for accredited registrars) a level playing field for all comers, starting 75 days after expiration, when the registrar releases such domains into the generally-available pool, an event called "the drop". Naturally, sundry interests heartily dislike level playing fields, so there are complications. (There's money in the absence of commodity services.) The really easy takeaway lesson is to not ever let any domain get less than, say, 30 days away from expiration unless you're deliberately intending to let it expire. I run my domain-check script as a weekly cronjob to help friends avoid _accidental_-expiration mishaps. Arguably, one of the more practical courses of action, if you _do_ accidentally let a cherished domain expire, is to retroactively say "I _meant_ to do that." ;-> > [...] i'm guessing i could pay them their registration ransom and once > i've regained legal control i could switch the entity with which the > domain name is registered. BTW, there's an ICANN regulation prohibiting domain transfers within 60 days after renewal/registration or prior transfer. From jim at well.com Sun Jul 27 15:00:33 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:00:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <20080727213400.GD21059@linuxmafia.com> References: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> <77be04730807271306n12a9949bw6003afb72fa7e105@mail.gmail.com> <1217192244.10905.258.camel@ubuntu> <20080727213400.GD21059@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1217196033.10905.278.camel@ubuntu> On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 14:34 -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting jim (jim at well.com): > > > their email to me seems to imply a registration fee. > > i'm taking rick's language as morally-based sarcasm. > > In a way -- though gratuitous moralism is invariably a poor teacher: yes, but sarcasm works great! > You might find this to be interesting reading: > "Domain Expiration" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Network_Other/ very interesting indeed. it's very long, i didn't read it all, the first portion is clear and succinct in its explanation of the expiration process. worth reading! So what's the value to anyone (other than me, don't <--- give me the line "you must judge", because this is a <--- group and a group need) of keeping sf-lug.net ? <--- From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jul 27 15:22:48 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:22:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <1217196033.10905.278.camel@ubuntu> References: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> <77be04730807271306n12a9949bw6003afb72fa7e105@mail.gmail.com> <1217192244.10905.258.camel@ubuntu> <20080727213400.GD21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217196033.10905.278.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20080727222248.GF21059@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim (jim at well.com): > So what's the value to anyone (other than me, don't <--- > give me the line "you must judge", because this is a <--- > group and a group need) of keeping sf-lug.net ? <--- Me, I think you made the right call. I can see a LUG having an ongoing need for as many as two variants of the domain name matching the group's name, e.g., .com and .org . It's difficult to imagine a real need for three -- other than preventing someone else from having it. As I said, I thought that over, back in the day, and decided I was fine with other "linuxmafia" domains existing in others' hands. Had I been in your shoes, before expiration of the .net variant, I'd have just said "Well, *I* intend to let it expire, but nothing prevents some subset of the rest of you from deciding it's worth _your_ money. If, when you do, visit [URL] and lob some money at the problem. You have [n] days." (Note: Some registrars accept renewal money from any and all parties, even those who aren't the current registrant/owners. Others accept renewals only from the registrant.) From jim at well.com Sun Jul 27 16:59:15 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:59:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <20080727222248.GF21059@linuxmafia.com> References: <20080727191827.GA21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217188604.10905.231.camel@ubuntu> <77be04730807271306n12a9949bw6003afb72fa7e105@mail.gmail.com> <1217192244.10905.258.camel@ubuntu> <20080727213400.GD21059@linuxmafia.com> <1217196033.10905.278.camel@ubuntu> <20080727222248.GF21059@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1217203155.10905.280.camel@ubuntu> thanks much for the opinion. i'd tried to kick up some discussion earlier, your approach seems nice and simple and effective. lacking contrary views, bye bye sf-lug.net. On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 15:22 -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting jim (jim at well.com): > > > So what's the value to anyone (other than me, don't <--- > > give me the line "you must judge", because this is a <--- > > group and a group need) of keeping sf-lug.net ? <--- > > Me, I think you made the right call. I can see a LUG having an ongoing > need for as many as two variants of the domain name matching the group's > name, e.g., .com and .org . It's difficult to imagine a real need for > three -- other than preventing someone else from having it. As I said, > I thought that over, back in the day, and decided I was fine with other > "linuxmafia" domains existing in others' hands. > > Had I been in your shoes, before expiration of the .net variant, I'd > have just said "Well, *I* intend to let it expire, but nothing prevents > some subset of the rest of you from deciding it's worth _your_ money. > If, when you do, visit [URL] and lob some money at the problem. You > have [n] days." > > (Note: Some registrars accept renewal money from any and all parties, > even those who aren't the current registrant/owners. Others accept > renewals only from the registrant.) > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Sun Jul 27 22:22:28 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:22:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] request for MBR instructions Message-ID: <1217222548.10905.283.camel@ubuntu> I have a laptop running Ubuntu 8.04.1. It has an SD card reader. I have a 4GB SD card. I want to make my SD card bootable. I'm failing. Can anyone provide the steps i should use to make my 4 GB SD card bootable and then put on a small (e.g. puppy) linux distro? jim From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Mon Jul 28 09:33:04 2008 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 28 Jul 2008 12:33:04 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] request for MBR instructions Message-ID: <29068205.1217262789453.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> Hey Jim, I am not 100% positive on a step by step for this but I have done it before. I was booting puppy off a USB flash drive. I first put a puppy CD in and installed puppy to the flash drive. Then I had to tell my Bios to Boot the USB first and that was pretty much that. If your bios doesnt allow you to select USB (or SD/Slot) as boot you need to use a 3.5" floopy and a peice of software called Wakepup. Setup your bios to boot from A: and it will start Wakepup wake pup will search your drives for Markers on the drives you want to boot. You make a TXT file with nothing inside titled something like "Flashboot" and put that on the SD card. WAkepup will search for the marker and directly boot that device. I know my explanation isnt the most clear but it has been awhile since I have done this. I know this site is what I used to get the ideas turning and then going to Puppy Linux forums to answer questions. It doesnt outline your exact problem IE SD cards but the process should be the same as Flash Drives http://www.puppylinux.com/flash-puppy.htm (this is an older tutorial but should be very similar to the process with 3.1) Blake Haggerty Permanent Placement Specialist Work: 415-788-8488 x6062 Fax: 415-788-2592 Email: blake.haggerty at sapphire.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/blakehaggerty Sapphire Technologies See who we know in common -----Original Message----- From:jim jim at well.com To: "Linux user Group" ; Sent: Jul 27, 2008 10:25:38 PM Subject: [sf-lug] request for MBR instructions I have a laptop running Ubuntu 8.04.1. It has an SD card reader. I have a 4GB SD card. I want to make my SD card bootable. I'm failing. Can anyone provide the steps i should use to make my 4 GB SD card bootable and then put on a small (e.g. puppy) linux distro? jim _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080728/0b9feeaf/attachment.htm From wellmanron at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 11:30:23 2008 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:30:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net Message-ID: <2a0eb8360807281130rf280e22l4a495b2757d9ea9@mail.gmail.com> Jim, have you determined the cost of reclaiming sf-lug.net? I might be willing to supply the cash to do so. I do understand that you are the primary source of free cash for sflug. ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080728/0e825ded/attachment.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jul 28 12:14:33 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:14:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <2a0eb8360807281130rf280e22l4a495b2757d9ea9@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a0eb8360807281130rf280e22l4a495b2757d9ea9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080728191433.GH10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting ron wellman (wellmanron at gmail.com): > have you determined the cost of reclaiming sf-lug.net? I might be willing to > supply the cash to do so. I do understand that you are the primary source of > free cash for sflug. Just to help out: _If_ Net$ol permits erstwhile owners of recently expired domains to renew them during the "pending deletion" period, then Jim can probably determine the answer to your question by following these Net$ol instructions: http://customersupport.networksolutions.com/article.php?id=152 (Basically, go to http://www.networksolutions.com/, pick Account Manager in the navbar, login using Jim's customer account username/password, select the domain, select "renew", decline the inevitable Net$ol upsell attempt, and jot down the prices offered for various years' worth of renewal.) I note: Only Account Holders/Primary Contacts and Account Administrative Contacts on the account can purchase or renew services for the domain name. I mentioned earlier that many registrars have this restriction. Some others (e.g., joker.com) permit _anyone_ to lob money at them to renew domains registered through them. (Disclaimer: I haven't been a Network Solutions customer since the mid-1990s.) If Net$ol does _not_ permit customers to renew expired domains within the "pending deletion" period, then you get to experience the ineffable joy of attempting to acquire a domain at auction: http://www.networksolutions.com/domain-name-registration/pending.jsp From cba at groundworkopensource.com Mon Jul 28 16:56:02 2008 From: cba at groundworkopensource.com (Chris B. Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:56:02 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Monitoring SIG LinuxWorld Week Festivities -- Next Week! Message-ID: Hi: The BayLISA Monitoring SIG is proud to offer this fantastic lineup of activities in conjunction with LinuxWorld Expo August 4-8 (that's next week!) Register for a free exhibits pass in advance (to avoid long lines) at: http://linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register//SN335015 (Use GroundWork Open Source's Priority Code VPL712 to see if that gets you anything extra.) ================================================================== The activities are: 1) Tuesday, Aug 5, 11:30-12:30: Conference Session on IT Monitoring ("Just Add Water...") 2) Wednesday, Aug 6, 6PM IT Monitoring BoF (BoF 17) 3) Wednesday, Aug 6, 7:30PM Meet-n-Greet Reception and Dinner at Henry's Hunan, 110 Natoma 4) All Week: Cacti "Project in Residence" at GroundWork Open Source Here are details of the events: ================================================================== 1) Conference Session on IT Monitoring: Just Add Water: Tips to Managing, Monitoring and Scaling the Wild and Wooly IT Environment Tuesday, August 5 2008, 11:30 am - 12:30 pm (Caution: You may need a full conference registration to attend this session.) ================================================================== 2) IT Monitoring BoF Wednesday, 6PM (BOF17) BOF17: Common Mistakes when Installing or Configuring OSS Monitoring Tools Wednesday, Aug 6 2007, 6:00 PM - 7:00 PM (Notes: 1) You only need a free exhibits pass to attend this BoF 2) This BoF is immediately followed by (3) below) ================================================================== 3) What: BayLISA Monitoring SIG XVI: LinuxWorld Meet-n-Greet Reception featuring 1) Special Guests Cacti Development Team and 2) Ganglia Project "We're Almost There..." v 3.1 Pre-release Celebration Who: Anyone interested in IT monitoring issues and tools (newbies particularly welcome!) When: Wednesday, August 6, 7:30 PM Where: Henry's Hunan Chinese Restaurant, 110 Natoma St. (Between 2nd and New Montgomery -- Near Moscone) (415) 546-4999 How: Consider making a day of it by signing up for a free exhibit hall pass for LinuxWorld at: http://linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register//SN335015 You can get into the exhibits hall, attend the GroundWork BoF from 6-7, and then come to the reception. Cost: Free, but RSVP mandatory (see below) RSVP: Email Peter Mui, pmui at groundworkopensource.com ================================================================== 4) All Week: Cacti "Project in Residence" at GroundWork Open Source The Cacti Team will be the "Project in Residence" at GroundWork Open Souce LinuxWorld week: they'll be fixing bugs, assessing feature requests, and setting priorities for the direction of Cacti. 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URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080728/809624de/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Mon Jul 28 19:39:43 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:39:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug.net In-Reply-To: <20080728191433.GH10437@linuxmafia.com> References: <2a0eb8360807281130rf280e22l4a495b2757d9ea9@mail.gmail.com> <20080728191433.GH10437@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <1217299183.10905.316.camel@ubuntu> i don't know the exact cost to rescue the sf-lug.net domain name, it's on the order of $100 for from one to three years, i forget. i forget for the reason that it seems no one has a good-enough-for-me argument for retaining control of the name. I.e., nathan's arguments that some bad guy would sully the sf-lug name didn't strike me strongly enough that i would part with my money. so if you feel strongly about the need to retain control, please pipe up and articulate that argument. ron's offer is gracious, and i accept in spirit, which for now seems enough. jim On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 12:14 -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting ron wellman (wellmanron at gmail.com): > > > have you determined the cost of reclaiming sf-lug.net? I might be willing to > > supply the cash to do so. I do understand that you are the primary source of > > free cash for sflug. > > Just to help out: _If_ Net$ol permits erstwhile owners of recently > expired domains to renew them during the "pending deletion" period, then > Jim can probably determine the answer to your question by following > these Net$ol instructions: > > http://customersupport.networksolutions.com/article.php?id=152 > > (Basically, go to http://www.networksolutions.com/, pick Account Manager > in the navbar, login using Jim's customer account username/password, > select the domain, select "renew", decline the inevitable Net$ol upsell > attempt, and jot down the prices offered for various years' worth of > renewal.) > > I note: > > Only Account Holders/Primary Contacts and Account Administrative > Contacts on the account can purchase or renew services for the domain > name. > > I mentioned earlier that many registrars have this restriction. Some > others (e.g., joker.com) permit _anyone_ to lob money at them to renew > domains registered through them. > > (Disclaimer: I haven't been a Network Solutions customer since the > mid-1990s.) > > > If Net$ol does _not_ permit customers to renew expired domains within > the "pending deletion" period, then you get to experience the ineffable > joy of attempting to acquire a domain at auction: > http://www.networksolutions.com/domain-name-registration/pending.jsp > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From afife at untangle.com Mon Jul 28 23:02:52 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG on Linux.com Message-ID: <1797841906.228901217311372833.JavaMail.root@zimbra.untangle.com> SF LUG got a mention and a link in a Linux.com article on the upcomming installfest for schools. The article is currently the top story on Linux.com. http://www.linux.com/feature/142780 "The Installfest is the second of what organizers hope will be an ongoing activity by the Linux community. The idea for it grew from the San Francisco Linux Users' Group meeting last October." Not strictly true, the idea came from a BALUG meeting in November, but close enough. From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jul 29 00:03:16 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:03:16 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF LUG on Linux.com In-Reply-To: <1797841906.228901217311372833.JavaMail.root@zimbra.untangle.com> References: <1797841906.228901217311372833.JavaMail.root@zimbra.untangle.com> Message-ID: <20080729070316.GN10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Andrew Fife (afife at untangle.com): > Not strictly true, the idea came from a BALUG meeting in November, but > close enough. When Art Tyde founded BALUG, he actually called it SFBALUG for quite a long time -- a name that was often shortened to SFLUG. However, when Dave Sifry created the mailing list (first using majordomo, then Mailman), he named it "balug" -- and the group soon settled on calling the group by the name of its mailing list. Over at the Silicon Valley Computer Society Unix SIG, even earlier, a similar story played out: People called that group by a variety of names, but all it took was Rob Walker creating a majordomo list for it called "svlug", and it converged on that for the name of the group itself. So, one lesson is: Make sure you're happy with your mailing list's name, because your group will rename itself to match. Fortunately, SF-LUG has outflanked that rule of nature. ;-> From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 07:43:49 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:43:49 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] OpenMoko Message-ID: <598ed5ff0807290743q74636e40mca3f5a0aea072a72@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I just paid for my Free Runner phone online today. I was wondering if anyone else has it and their thought/reviews of the device. I have T-Mobile so I hpoe it works =( -- Phil -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We will need to set up the Friday before the event from about 1:30 p.m. to about 4:45 p.m. For those who don't like tinyurls, here is the original link: http://news.cnet.com/Tenderloin -Tech-Day/1606-2_3-6223419.html?part=rss&tag%47-1_3-0-20&subj=news -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080729/1e0e4653/attachment.htm From sverma at sfsu.edu Tue Jul 29 13:21:55 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:21:55 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog Message-ID: <488F7BE3.3060807@sfsu.edu> A look at the other side of the coin...http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ Its quite amusing, actually :-) Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 14:23:29 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:23:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <488F7BE3.3060807@sfsu.edu> References: <488F7BE3.3060807@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <4b5781040807291423r71e7d714i3ac938a29497317c@mail.gmail.com> hi On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: > A look at the other side of the coin...http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ > Its quite amusing, actually :-) > I ordinarily don't read trolls' work. Trolls feed on attention. Deny them attention and they die. I prefer to see them die, and so I normally ignore them. However, I have heard it said that this guy (linuxhater) is actually a premier bug reporter, and so I will sometimes follow a link to his blog if someone I respect, such as Sameer, links to him in an email or post. Otherwise, I ignore him. In this case, LinuxHater criticizes the Linux community for producing too many distros, and claims that is the reason for the Foxconn problem. The funny thing about this column is how he ends it, by suggesting that the hardware and BIOS be open sourced. I'm not sure if LinuxHater is a GNU-Linux hater of if it is just a schtick. He obviously has a lot of knowledge about Linux. Here is how he ends his column: "Of course, in the end, there's only one freetard answer to this whole mess. Open source the hardware design and BIOS implementation! Then even if there are bugs, the community will fix them eventually..." Nonetheless, even if he is a pro-Linux guy using the LinuxHater gag as a schtick, I don't need to read his stuff, unless, as I say, Sameer links to it. Or maybe Rick Moen. Maybe. heh. ;-) -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080729/a8966ae9/attachment.htm From toya at linefeed.org Tue Jul 29 14:26:59 2008 From: toya at linefeed.org (toya) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:26:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <4b5781040807291423r71e7d714i3ac938a29497317c@mail.gmail.com> References: <488F7BE3.3060807@sfsu.edu> <4b5781040807291423r71e7d714i3ac938a29497317c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729212659.GE33681@linefeed.org> I'm not sure if LinuxHater is a > GNU-Linux hater of if it is just a schtick. He obviously has a lot of > knowledge about Linux. the complain about linux having too many distribution is a tipical complain from unix users, maybe he is a freebsd user or something :P bye bye toya From nbs at sonic.net Tue Jul 29 15:02:25 2008 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:02:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <20080729212659.GE33681@linefeed.org> References: <488F7BE3.3060807@sfsu.edu> <4b5781040807291423r71e7d714i3ac938a29497317c@mail.gmail.com> <20080729212659.GE33681@linefeed.org> Message-ID: <20080729220225.GC21593@sonic.net> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 02:26:59PM -0700, toya wrote: > I'm not sure if LinuxHater is a > > GNU-Linux hater of if it is just a schtick. He obviously has a lot of > > knowledge about Linux. > > the complain about linux having too many distribution is a tipical complain > from unix users, maybe he is a freebsd user or something :P DAMN toothpaste makers and car manufacturers for giving me choice!!! ;) -- -bill! "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS X / Linux! Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ From jim at well.com Tue Jul 29 15:06:17 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:06:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th!] Message-ID: <1217369177.10905.318.camel@ubuntu> FYI -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: deborah at fsf.org To: info-member at gnu.org Subject: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th! Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Hi, The Free Software Foundation is hosting a pizza party in San Francisco, on Tuesday, August 5th, 6:30-9:00pm - It's for FSF members and friends! Join me and FSF Board Member Henry Poole, FSF Executive Director Peter Brown and FSF Campaigns Manager Joshua Gay, to discuss an exciting range of projects the FSF is currently working on including: Freedom for Network Services (autonomo.us); Campaigns against DRM and for Free Media Formats; Software patents and lobbying for free software. FSF Associate Members (& friends!) Event August 5th 6:30-9:00PM Gallery Lounge 510 Brannan St. San Francisco, CA 94107 We aren't charging admission, but we do want those who attend to become FSF members. If you aren't already. Join at the event or online now, , or bring a credit card or checkbook. FSF campaign stickers and other goodies will also be available. The Gallery Lounge is at the corner of 4th and Brannan, just a few blocks south of Market and the Moscone center. We'll have vegan pizza, traditional cheese-covered pizza and beer. I hope you'll come and bring friends who are interested in free software because we want to sign-up new members at this event. And of course, feel free to forward this message along to folks who you think would be interested. You don't have to RSVP, but it would help with our pizza ordering if you told us whether or not you're coming and if you're bringing friends. See you there! Deborah Nicholson Membership Coordinator membership at fsf.org _______________________________________________ Info-member mailing list http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-member From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 15:23:43 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:23:43 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th!] In-Reply-To: <1217369177.10905.318.camel@ubuntu> References: <1217369177.10905.318.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <598ed5ff0807291523y1bbadddbs56386a210da17104@mail.gmail.com> > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: deborah at fsf.org > To: info-member at gnu.org > Subject: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th! > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT) > > Hi, > > The Free Software Foundation is hosting a pizza party in San Francisco, > on Tuesday, August 5th, 6:30-9:00pm - It's for FSF members and friends! > > Join me and FSF Board Member Henry Poole, FSF Executive Director Peter > Brown and FSF Campaigns Manager Joshua Gay, to discuss an exciting range > of projects the FSF is currently working on including: Freedom for > Network Services (autonomo.us); Campaigns against DRM and for Free Media > Formats; Software patents and lobbying for free software. > > FSF Associate Members (& friends!) Event > August 5th 6:30-9:00PM > Gallery Lounge > 510 Brannan St. > San Francisco, CA 94107 > > We aren't charging admission, but we do want those who attend to become > FSF members. If you aren't already. Join at the event or online now, > , or bring a > credit card or checkbook. FSF campaign stickers and other goodies will > also be available. > > The Gallery Lounge is at the corner of 4th and Brannan, just a few > blocks south of Market and the Moscone center. We'll have vegan pizza, > traditional cheese-covered pizza and beer. > > I hope you'll come and bring friends who are interested in free software > because we want to sign-up new members at this event. And of course, > feel free to forward this message along to folks who you think would be > interested. > > You don't have to RSVP, but it would help with our pizza ordering if you > told us whether or not you're coming and if you're bringing friends. > See you there! > > Deborah Nicholson > Membership Coordinator > membership at fsf.org > Hello, Is there any discounts? $120 to register is kind of expensive -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080729/9eca7305/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Tue Jul 29 15:34:02 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:34:02 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th!] In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0807291523y1bbadddbs56386a210da17104@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217369177.10905.318.camel@ubuntu> <598ed5ff0807291523y1bbadddbs56386a210da17104@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217370842.10905.346.camel@ubuntu> Free Software Foundation is trying to get money, this rate figures $10 per month. they might be into allowing entree for partial donations or possibly purchases of their wares (books, etc.). judging from deborah's language, it looks like you can just come on in and withstand their stares and other intimidations that you join up. i, of course, don't really know. On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 15:23 -0700, phillip tribble wrote: > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: deborah at fsf.org > To: info-member at gnu.org > Subject: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th! > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT) > > Hi, > > The Free Software Foundation is hosting a pizza party in San > Francisco, > on Tuesday, August 5th, 6:30-9:00pm - It's for FSF members and > friends! > > Join me and FSF Board Member Henry Poole, FSF Executive > Director Peter > Brown and FSF Campaigns Manager Joshua Gay, to discuss an > exciting range > of projects the FSF is currently working on including: Freedom > for > Network Services (autonomo.us); Campaigns against DRM and for > Free Media > Formats; Software patents and lobbying for free software. > > FSF Associate Members (& friends!) Event > August 5th 6:30-9:00PM > Gallery Lounge > 510 Brannan St. > San Francisco, CA 94107 > > We aren't charging admission, but we do want those who attend > to become > FSF members. If you aren't already. Join at the event or > online now, > , or > bring a > credit card or checkbook. FSF campaign stickers and other > goodies will > also be available. > > The Gallery Lounge is at the corner of 4th and Brannan, just a > few > blocks south of Market and the Moscone center. We'll have > vegan pizza, > traditional cheese-covered pizza and beer. > > I hope you'll come and bring friends who are interested in > free software > because we want to sign-up new members at this event. And of > course, > feel free to forward this message along to folks who you think > would be > interested. > > You don't have to RSVP, but it would help with our pizza > ordering if you > told us whether or not you're coming and if you're bringing > friends. > See you there! > > Deborah Nicholson > Membership Coordinator > membership at fsf.org > > > Hello, > > Is there any discounts? $120 to register is kind of expensive > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step > behind" > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From cvrebert at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 15:36:44 2008 From: cvrebert at gmail.com (Chris Rebert) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:36:44 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th!] In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0807291523y1bbadddbs56386a210da17104@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217369177.10905.318.camel@ubuntu> <598ed5ff0807291523y1bbadddbs56386a210da17104@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47c890dc0807291536p3094bec6o3f11ac39fd066255@mail.gmail.com> It's $120 per year, which is only $10/month. The only discount I can find on their site is for full-time students (half-price), so you're out of luck otherwise. Pity they won't take one-time donations for this... - Chris -- Follow the path of the Iguana... Rebertia: http://rebertia.com Blog: http://blog.rebertia.com 2008/7/29 phillip tribble : >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> From: deborah at fsf.org >> To: info-member at gnu.org >> Subject: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th! >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT) >> >> Hi, >> >> The Free Software Foundation is hosting a pizza party in San Francisco, >> on Tuesday, August 5th, 6:30-9:00pm - It's for FSF members and friends! >> >> Join me and FSF Board Member Henry Poole, FSF Executive Director Peter >> Brown and FSF Campaigns Manager Joshua Gay, to discuss an exciting range >> of projects the FSF is currently working on including: Freedom for >> Network Services (autonomo.us); Campaigns against DRM and for Free Media >> Formats; Software patents and lobbying for free software. >> >> FSF Associate Members (& friends!) Event >> August 5th 6:30-9:00PM >> Gallery Lounge >> 510 Brannan St. >> San Francisco, CA 94107 >> >> We aren't charging admission, but we do want those who attend to become >> FSF members. If you aren't already. Join at the event or online now, >> , or bring a >> credit card or checkbook. FSF campaign stickers and other goodies will >> also be available. >> >> The Gallery Lounge is at the corner of 4th and Brannan, just a few >> blocks south of Market and the Moscone center. We'll have vegan pizza, >> traditional cheese-covered pizza and beer. >> >> I hope you'll come and bring friends who are interested in free software >> because we want to sign-up new members at this event. And of course, >> feel free to forward this message along to folks who you think would be >> interested. >> >> You don't have to RSVP, but it would help with our pizza ordering if you >> told us whether or not you're coming and if you're bringing friends. >> See you there! >> >> Deborah Nicholson >> Membership Coordinator >> membership at fsf.org > > > Hello, > > Is there any discounts? $120 to register is kind of expensive > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > From jim at well.com Tue Jul 29 15:30:21 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:30:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <4b5781040807291423r71e7d714i3ac938a29497317c@mail.gmail.com> References: <488F7BE3.3060807@sfsu.edu> <4b5781040807291423r71e7d714i3ac938a29497317c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217370621.10905.342.camel@ubuntu> a friend of mine expects in time there'll be vending machines into which we can drop quarters, twiddle a few buttons and dials, and out drops a custom chip. until that time, open source hardware will work for those with silicon foundries, it seems to me. anybody know the latest on the LinuxBIOS project? On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 14:23 -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > hi > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: > A look at the other side of the > coin...http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ > Its quite amusing, actually :-) > > I ordinarily don't read trolls' work. Trolls feed on attention. Deny > them attention and they die. I prefer to see them die, and so I > normally ignore them. > > However, I have heard it said that this guy (linuxhater) is actually a > premier bug reporter, and so I will sometimes follow a link to his > blog if someone I respect, such as Sameer, links to him in an email or > post. Otherwise, I ignore him. > > In this case, LinuxHater criticizes the Linux community for producing > too many distros, and claims that is the reason for the Foxconn > problem. The funny thing about this column is how he ends it, by > suggesting that the hardware and BIOS be open sourced. I'm not sure > if LinuxHater is a GNU-Linux hater of if it is just a schtick. He > obviously has a lot of knowledge about Linux. Here is how he ends his > column: > > "Of course, in the end, there's only one freetard answer to this whole > mess. Open source the hardware design and BIOS implementation! Then > even if there are bugs, the community will fix them eventually..." > > Nonetheless, even if he is a pro-Linux guy using the LinuxHater gag as > a schtick, I don't need to read his stuff, unless, as I say, Sameer > links to it. Or maybe Rick Moen. Maybe. heh. ;-) > > -- > Christian Einfeldt, > Producer, The Digital Tipping Point > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From bibayoff at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 15:40:45 2008 From: bibayoff at gmail.com (Steve M Bibayoff) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:40:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th!] In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0807291523y1bbadddbs56386a210da17104@mail.gmail.com> References: <1217369177.10905.318.camel@ubuntu> <598ed5ff0807291523y1bbadddbs56386a210da17104@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <540b90d0807291540i10ad8a1aqdaa6acb5fa3fdfb5@mail.gmail.com> Hello, 2008/7/29 phillip tribble : > Is there any discounts? $120 to register is kind of expensive You could also pay for membership on a monthly basis (w/ a credit card only). Also, there is a student/hungry hacker membership rate of $60/year($5/month w/ cc). The FSF is also looking for volunteers to help man the booth @ LWE, if anyone is interested. Steve From ttrafford at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 15:52:46 2008 From: ttrafford at gmail.com (Tyler Trafford) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:52:46 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <4b5781040807291423r71e7d714i3ac938a29497317c@mail.gmail.com> References: <488F7BE3.3060807@sfsu.edu> <4b5781040807291423r71e7d714i3ac938a29497317c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729225246.GA11706@oasis.local> Christian Einfeldt wrote: > I'm not sure if LinuxHater is a GNU-Linux hater of if it is just a > schtick. He obviously has a lot of knowledge about Linux. The latter speaks against the former. I think LinuxHater falls into the "Loyal Opposition" category at worst. -- Tyler Trafford A sect or party is an elegant incognito devised to save a man from the vexation of thinking. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Journals, 1831 From aldenm at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 15:53:59 2008 From: aldenm at gmail.com (Alden Meneses) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:53:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] on my way to saying goodbye to microsoft Message-ID: <221610dc0807291553p46a8ec4cge5492f6998085e8c@mail.gmail.com> So last weekend I downloaded and installed Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) on my laptop and am quite enjoying it. Eventually I want to build a HTPC. I was turned off by the prospect of installing Vista so decided to play around with Ubuntu where I can watch TV (MythTV), record music (Audacity), and even found a potential replacement for Quicken (Moneydance). Actually I might just stick to spreadsheets so I won't have to shell out the cash for the yearly upgrades. Anyone know a good video editor? 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Trolls feed on attention. Deny >> them attention and they die. I prefer to see them die, and so I >> normally ignore them. >> >> However, I have heard it said that this guy (linuxhater) is actually a >> premier bug reporter, and so I will sometimes follow a link to his >> blog if someone I respect, such as Sameer, links to him in an email or >> post. Otherwise, I ignore him. >> >> In this case, LinuxHater criticizes the Linux community for producing >> too many distros, and claims that is the reason for the Foxconn >> problem. The funny thing about this column is how he ends it, by >> suggesting that the hardware and BIOS be open sourced. I'm not sure >> if LinuxHater is a GNU-Linux hater of if it is just a schtick. He >> obviously has a lot of knowledge about Linux. Here is how he ends his >> column: >> >> "Of course, in the end, there's only one freetard answer to this whole >> mess. Open source the hardware design and BIOS implementation! Then >> even if there are bugs, the community will fix them eventually..." >> >> Nonetheless, even if he is a pro-Linux guy using the LinuxHater gag as >> a schtick, I don't need to read his stuff, unless, as I say, Sameer >> links to it. Or maybe Rick Moen. Maybe. heh. ;-) >> >> -- >> Christian Einfeldt, >> Producer, The Digital Tipping Point >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> > > From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jul 29 15:58:18 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:58:18 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] on my way to saying goodbye to microsoft In-Reply-To: <221610dc0807291553p46a8ec4cge5492f6998085e8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <221610dc0807291553p46a8ec4cge5492f6998085e8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729225817.GS10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Alden Meneses (aldenm at gmail.com): > Anyone know a good video editor? Warning: I am (so very) not a video or graphics person. That having been said, some of the entries on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Apps/AV might be of use, especially (but not limited to) the two "Video Apps" ones. From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 16:11:22 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:11:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] on my way to saying goodbye to microsoft In-Reply-To: <221610dc0807291553p46a8ec4cge5492f6998085e8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <221610dc0807291553p46a8ec4cge5492f6998085e8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5781040807291611w39b51218k2488c1b597939adf@mail.gmail.com> hi 2008/7/29 Alden Meneses > So last weekend I downloaded and installed Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) on my > laptop and am quite enjoying it. > > Eventually I want to build a HTPC. I was turned off by the prospect of > installing Vista so decided to play around with Ubuntu where I can watch TV > (MythTV), record music (Audacity), and even found a potential replacement > for Quicken (Moneydance). Actually I might just stick to spreadsheets so I > won't have to shell out the cash for the yearly upgrades. Anyone know a good > video editor? I want to upload video to YouTube for a ukulele forum I belong > to. > About video editors, I and other video editors for the Digital Tipping Point have edited and uploaded 75 hours of video to the Internet Archive's Digital Tipping Point Video Collection using nothing other than Free Open Source Software, and most of that using Kino: http://www.archive.org/details/digitaltippingpoint For editing .mpg files, I recommend Avidemux. It is a simple storyboard editor, so don't expect too much. Also, you really should be editing raw .dv files, because otherwise you will suffer from integrity loss on successive generations. For editing raw .dv files, I would recommend Kino. It is a sturdy but simple storyboard editor, and it is simple to add using your repositories and your package manager. For compositing, you have your choice of LiVES, KDEnlive, or Cinelerra. Cinelerra is the most popular of these. There is a really good series of video tutorials on using Cinelerra here: http://www.vimeo.com/thesource Some people have used Jashaka with success. I have found it to be buggy. But lots of people love it: http://jahshaka.org/ Also, there is a project called Blender which has been used to create a few video shorts: http://www.blender.org/ Most of the really advanced FOSS work in video is currently being done with Blender. -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At least 3/4 of his lines of argument in his/her blog turn out to be basically pretty moronic -- this particular one being a case in point -- which probably reflects his/her having convinced him/herself of being a seasoned expert on all matters affecting Linux when, if I recall correctly, his/her sole area of expertise is graphics software and its underlying hardware support. > He obviously has a lot of knowledge about Linux. That's not evident to me. FWIW, the only Linux-relevant blogs I've (personally) found, thus far, to be reliably worthwhile are Don Marti's, Russell Coker's, Jeremy Allison's, and Mark Pilgrim's. But then, I tend to be of the view that almost all blogs are valuable only in the extent that they tend to keep that junk off Usenet. ;-> From dennisharrison at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 16:34:02 2008 From: dennisharrison at gmail.com (Dennis J Harrison Jr) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:34:02 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] on my way to saying goodbye to microsoft In-Reply-To: <221610dc0807291553p46a8ec4cge5492f6998085e8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <221610dc0807291553p46a8ec4cge5492f6998085e8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e8b29e0807291634vf207703u909f7d60ab7171e3@mail.gmail.com> linux mce is incredible if you have the hardware for it. Must know what 'works' going into it, or you will pull your hair out. http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Main_Page 2008/7/29 Alden Meneses > So last weekend I downloaded and installed Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) on my > laptop and am quite enjoying it. > > Eventually I want to build a HTPC. I was turned off by the prospect of > installing Vista so decided to play around with Ubuntu where I can watch TV > (MythTV), record music (Audacity), and even found a potential replacement > for Quicken (Moneydance). Actually I might just stick to spreadsheets so I > won't have to shell out the cash for the yearly upgrades. Anyone know a good > video editor? I want to upload video to YouTube for a ukulele forum I belong > to. > > Thanks, > Alden > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080729/8960fec4/attachment-0001.htm From jmango at mail.com Tue Jul 29 18:17:31 2008 From: jmango at mail.com (JW) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:17:31 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> On Tue, Jul 29, Bill Kendrick wrote: > DAMN toothpaste makers and car manufacturers for giving me choice!!! > ;) Bill, as a real newbie to Linux, may I offer my point of view? Having tried several distributions, the real problem is inconsistency, flakiness, and reinventing the wheel. Why do we need to have so many interfaces that all do the same thing, so many icons and menus that need to be re-learned each time? Why so many applications that do almost the same thing and so many different file structures? Even simple things like scrolling and clicking are inconsistent within the same distribution, not to mention across distributions. I have had windows plop themselves halfway off the screen for no apparent reason, and had no way to recover other than to kill processes. The learning curve for each distro seems annoying and unnecessary to me. Again, I am a newbie, but how many newbies are going to go through this until they find a distribution they like? Is there any effort to make the interfaces uniform across distributions, or do developers reserve the right to fabricate totally new gadgets and icons every time just because they can? Yeah, I like having different brands of toothpaste too, but that's because they all come in similar boxes, and it's pretty easy to get the caps off the tubes. It's just a matter of how people want to spend their time I guess. -- Jim W. From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jul 29 18:35:59 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:35:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> References: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> Message-ID: <20080730013559.GU10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting JW (jmango at mail.com): > The learning curve for each distro seems annoying and unnecessary to me. Maybe you're spending too much time trying to learn the parts that just don't matter. The bash shell and core GNU & BSD tools are utterly consistent and reliable across all systems. Standard X11 copy-and-paste works exactly the same, regardless of window manager and "desktop" (if any) systems. The filesystem tree is organised in exactly the same way, for the same reasons, regardless of distribution or window manager. All of those things are exactly the same with any choice of "icons and menus" software , and also with choosing None of the Above. And, once you've gotten a passing acquaintance with the _real_, core functionality of all Linux/GNU systems, you're guaranteed to be at home, relatively speaking, in all of them.[1] You'll even find *BSD and Solaris to be pretty close kin, for most purposes. > Again, I am a newbie, but how many newbies are going to go through > this until they find a distribution they like? All of the ones who understand that real freedom inevitably brings real diversity. If you want an utterly simple, standardised Linux computer with a uniform, limited user interface, buy a TiVo. Of course, it has deliberately limited scope of functionality -- but lack of real diversity requires lack of real freedom (contrapositive of the earlier rule). [1] The foregoing appeal to universality and total access-for-anyone usually impels some subsequent online commentator to label the implied perspective as "elitist" -- which allegation is both non-sequitur to the topic and unclear on the meaning of that term. (Unfortunately for such speakers, that term does _not_ in fact mean "entailing greater than minimal effort".) From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 18:57:31 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:57:31 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> References: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> Message-ID: <4b5781040807291857w3dc80565ga42cac4eb6c4851c@mail.gmail.com> hi On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:17 PM, JW wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > DAMN toothpaste makers and car manufacturers for giving me choice!!! > > ;) > > Bill, as a real newbie to Linux, may I offer my point of view? jmango, thanks for your opinion. We do really need and value new users' opinions. > Having > tried several distributions, the real problem is inconsistency, > flakiness, and reinventing the wheel. Why do we need to have so many > interfaces that all do the same thing, jmango has a point here. I would like to recommend that the members of this list please consider purchasing a copy of "The Paradox of Choice": Autonomy and Freedom of choiceare critical to our well being , and choice is critical to freedom and autonomy. Nonetheless, though modern Americanshave more choice than any group of people ever has before, and thus, presumably, more freedom and autonomy, we don't seem to be benefiting from it psychologically. ?quoted from Ch.5, "The Paradox of Choice", 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradox_of_Choice Please also consider reading "The Political Brain" http://www.thepoliticalbrain.com/videos.php which posits that voters vote not for the candidate whose policies most closely parallel the voter's own interests, but rather for the candidate about whom they "feel good." In selection of both candidates for office and products, consumers and voters filter their choices based on _emotional_ factors first. Intellectual factors don't appear as significant motivators until about item number 11 on the list. I submit that until we, the FOSS community come up with eye candy that is as easy and compelling as the Mac, we will not break out of single digits _in the US_ . Maybe we will break out sooner in other countries, but not in the US. We really need to elevate our dialog to considering that the end user is the "decider", not us, the geeks. We need to educate ourselves on the science of marketing, because it is every bit as empirical a science as is computer science. Ironically, as clumsy as Windows-using marketers appear to us, so too do we appear willfully ingorant _if_ we ignore the hard science that goes into shaping the way that consumer demand is channeled. -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080729/63612245/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Tue Jul 29 19:05:28 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:05:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> References: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> Message-ID: <1217383528.10905.372.camel@ubuntu> your point of view is interesting. i recommend choosing a distro that lots of people use. seems to me fedora and ubuntu are good choices. each is different, and each is the base for a variety of distros that have "copped their licks" from either the red hat family (fedora) or the debian family (ubuntu). if you want to learn what's needed to get a job, the red hat family is probably still the better choice (more enterprises are running red hat systems), so choose fedora. if you want to use linux at home, probably ubuntu is the better choice as it seems to have a wider set of drivers, thus wider number of machines it can run on and easier installation, and also a greater or at least more active community. i'm betting more people in sf-lug know ubuntu than know fedora. i've found occasionally that if installing one (fedora or ubuntu) fails, installing the other succeeds. i like that there are tons of distros, all with their idiosyncracies. not that i use them, but great variety promotes best technologies in the long run, and best technologies get adopted by all distros, including eventually the one that you have chosen. On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 18:17 -0700, JW wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > DAMN toothpaste makers and car manufacturers for giving me choice!!! > > ;) > > Bill, as a real newbie to Linux, may I offer my point of view? Having > tried several distributions, the real problem is inconsistency, > flakiness, and reinventing the wheel. Why do we need to have so many > interfaces that all do the same thing, so many icons and menus that > need to be re-learned each time? Why so many applications that do > almost the same thing and so many different file structures? Even > simple things like scrolling and clicking are inconsistent within the > same distribution, not to mention across distributions. I have had > windows plop themselves halfway off the screen for no apparent reason, > and had no way to recover other than to kill processes. The learning > curve for each distro seems annoying and unnecessary to me. Again, I > am a newbie, but how many newbies are going to go through this until > they find a distribution they like? Is there any effort to make the > interfaces uniform across distributions, or do developers reserve the > right to fabricate totally new gadgets and icons every time just > because they can? Yeah, I like having different brands of toothpaste > too, but that's because they all come in similar boxes, and it's > pretty easy to get the caps off the tubes. It's just a matter of how > people want to spend their time I guess. > > -- Jim W. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 19:28:59 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:28:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ken and Steve, Take One Message-ID: <4b5781040807291928x659f8b55q2a8d0860ddd13bcc@mail.gmail.com> hi this is the longer discussion about FOSS and Lin 08 that passed between Ken and Steve while they were being filmed. I have tested these links, and they are good. http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv531_ken_steve_discuss_lin_08_005-006_001.ogg http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv531_ken_steve_discuss_lin_08_006-007_002.ogg http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv531_ken_steve_discuss_lin_08_007-008_003.ogg Enjoy! -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080729/a7198e85/attachment.htm From dssstrkl at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 21:25:52 2008 From: dssstrkl at gmail.com (Paul Ward) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:25:52 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] While we're on the topic of newbies Message-ID: <37DD4593-DB96-48D4-BEBE-3D05F21E187E@gmail.com> This just seemed appropriate. :) http://xkcd.com/456/ Paul Ward dssstrkl at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080729/d9ff10d1/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have > T-Mobile so I hpoe it works =( > > -- Phil > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step > behind" > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 30 01:16:44 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:16:44 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <1217383528.10905.372.camel@ubuntu> References: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> <1217383528.10905.372.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20080730081644.GV10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim (jim at well.com): > if you want to learn what's needed to get a > job, the red hat family is probably still the > better choice (more enterprises are running red > hat systems), so choose fedora. ^^^^^^ You might have misspelled "CentOS". ;-> From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 30 01:26:29 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:26:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] While we're on the topic of newbies In-Reply-To: <37DD4593-DB96-48D4-BEBE-3D05F21E187E@gmail.com> References: <37DD4593-DB96-48D4-BEBE-3D05F21E187E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080730082629.GX10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): > This just seemed appropriate. :) > http://xkcd.com/456/ And, relevant to any mailing list, anywhere: http://xkcd.com/386/ From dssstrkl at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 01:50:23 2008 From: dssstrkl at gmail.com (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:50:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] While we're on the topic of newbies In-Reply-To: <20080730082629.GX10437@linuxmafia.com> References: <37DD4593-DB96-48D4-BEBE-3D05F21E187E@gmail.com> <20080730082629.GX10437@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <15A19B47-21DA-4999-AFF9-E2B66F8B1CBD@gmail.com> On Jul 30, 2008, at 1:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): > >> This just seemed appropriate. :) >> http://xkcd.com/456/ > > And, relevant to any mailing list, anywhere: > http://xkcd.com/386/ I don't think that happens as often as people say. At least, its never happened to me! 8-P > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Paul Ward dssstrkl at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/a6f26ac9/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/e2013ffa/attachment.htm From john_re at fastmail.us Wed Jul 30 06:26:52 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:26:52 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] MEETING August 2 this Saturday- BerkeleyTIP- 1st Global Talks Installfest Potluck ProgrammingParty Message-ID: <1217424412.27531.1266114335@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi SF-LUGers, & Jim - I hope you all can put a carpool together & come on over. I know you've got a Sunday meetng, & LinuxWorld is this week, then linux picnic - so there's a lot of stuff going on. UCB is just a 30 minute trip from the JavaCafe, closer from downtown. :) ===== The Berkeley GNU/BSD Talks Installfest Potluck & ProgrammingParty is having its third GREAT meeting this Saturday August 2, at the U. C. Berkeley Campus. 10 AM - 6 PM.is Berkeley-TIP-Global is a meeting of friendly, helpful people interested in LEARNING about, USING & CREATING GNU & BSD type software. Read the mail list, & join both groups: == LOCAL GROUP - WHO WILL BRING WHICH VIDEOS http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIP == GLOBAL GROUP - WHAT VIDEOS ARE AVAILABLE http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal ===== THREE GREAT NEW ADDITIONS THIS MONTH: ===== 1) TALKS, 2) GLOBAL, 3) PROGRAMMING PARTY 1) TALKS - about 7 this month [VOIP, Linus Torvalds - git, WIFI Repeaters, Python Intro - Martelli, MySQL, Web 2.0, OLPC] See details below - a) Determine talks you're interested in b) Look on BerkTIP mailing list to see if someone else will bring the video c) Otherwise YOU Download the video to your laptop & bring it, email to the list you'll bring that talk, and share watching it at the meeting on your laptop. 2) GLOBAL-USA simultaneous MEETINGS (Simultaneous meetings throughout the USA.) Bring your laptop & Microphone Headset & join VOIP & IRC chat with other attendees around the USA, and watching the same videos simultaneously. 3) PROGRAMMING PARTY MEETING TOPIC: VOIP, TeamSpeak - getting VOIP going between USA locations Plan to arrive about 9:30 AM if you want to leisurely be ready for the first talk at 10:00 AM === DO: Print out this email & bring it with you for reference. There is a LOT of information here, & it will probably be valueable to you to have it in print form for easy reference. :) === DO; PLEASE RSVP TO john_re at fastmail dot us . I want to know if we might need a larger meeting location. Thank you. I'm including the Global-USA announcement in full after this short local announcement. It has lots of information. Do read it. ===== PROGRAMMING PARTY TOPIC: ===== VOIP TEAMSPEAK - GETTING VOIP GOING BETWEEN USA LOCATIONS More like a group installfest project than actual programming. Work together to get a server running TeamSpeak, and ensure client TeamSpeak sw communicates properly between groups around the USA. ===== TENTATIVE MEETING LOCATION: FREE SPEECH CAFE FREE SPEECH CAFE Veranda outdoors at MOFFIT UNDERGRAD LIBRARY, which is approximately the geographic center of campus. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=37.872496,-122.261155&spn=0.000578,0.000633&t=h&z=20 http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/AboutLibrary/fsmcafe.html http://www.berkeley.edu/map/maps/BC34.html http://www.berkeley.edu/map/3dmap/3dmap.shtml (It's the same place we had the first meeting. Note: Don't go to Evans Hall, just go directly to the FSCafe. Note: WATCH the BerkTIP WEBSITE the DAY OF THE MEETING IN CASE WE CHANGE to ANOTHER meeting LOCATION.) Weather page for Berkeley: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?brand=sfgate&query=Berkeley%2C+CA We had beautiful 75 degrees on the June meeting. Be prepared for warmer or cooler conditions. ===== CARPOOL: POST A CARPOOL MESSAGE TO YOUR MAILING LIST!!!!! It's GREAT to carpool. Saves $, gas, & is fun to talk with your fellow travelers. DO: YOU POST a carpool notice to this mailing list, or to lists covering the geography you will travel through. A great message would be like: "Subject: CARPOOL to BerkeleyTIP Aug 2 Saturday Am interested in attending the BerkeleyTIP meeting Aug 2 Saturday. Can drive you if you pay a share of gas. Or, I can pay for gas if you drive. Email me your phone #. Would like to arrive by 10 AM for the first talk." We've had past attendees come from Sacramento & Pleasanton. It would be great if each LUG around Northern California could get one or more carpools attending. ===== INSTALLFEST: This is a SELF RELIANT EVENT. Bring everything you might possibly need - laptop, speakers, power cord, wifi card, wifi router, router, ethernet cables, Distro ISOs, etc. We will have power, & almost definitely Internet access. Bring your cell phone Internet if you have it, just in case. ===== POTLUCK Bring food for potluck, or $5 to order pizza or something. Optional. Or, just bring your own bag lunch. The cafe is expensive. There are many less expensive restaurants about 4 short blocks walk. ===== TRANSPORTATION: CAR: University Exit from 880 Bayshore freeway. Up 1.5 mile to campus. West entrance to campus has a map, & maybe someone in the entrance booth to give directions. Loading zone 5 minute parking behind the Library. CARPOOL! CARPOOL! CARPOOL! - & POST A CARPOOL EMAIL TO YOUR LIST!!!!! Parking: There are about 60 on campus pay parking spaces near the Gym, about 200 yards away from the cafe. There are several parking garages, which charge on Saturday. The closest is on the North side of campus, Hearst below Euclid, about a 4-5 short block walk from the cafe. There is free street parking on the North side of campus - Check the signs above the sidewalk for details. Hearst is the street at the North edge of campus. http://pt.berkeley.edu/ http://pt.berkeley.edu/around/drive http://pt.berkeley.edu/park/public http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/transportation/Parking/OffStreet.html BART: Downtown Berkeley exit, 10 minute easy walk slightly uphill. ===== SUMMARY: This sould be a great event for anyone wanting to keep on top of the leading developments in GNU/BSD technology. With 7 or more great talks, you'll learn lots & meet with many top people. Read the GLOBAL-USA announcement below, to learn about 1) how this meeting is growing, & 2) for details about the talks. NOTE: I'm doing this as a small part time effort as a volunteer for the community when I have many other things to do with my time. So, don't expect perfection, do expect hiccups, and if you see something you think could be improved - YOU CAN VOLUNTEER TO IMPROVE THINGS. :) Best wishes - I hope to see you there. :) =================================================================== =================================================================== ===== APPENDIX: The Global-USA Announcement INVITATION- August 2 Saturday, Berkeley-TIP-Global-USA ====-----------------------===== Hello from Berkeley, everyone. :) Hey - I'm putting together a little global GNU(Linux)/BSD type free software monthly event - anyone want to join in? The Global Simultaneous Berkeley GNU(Linux)/BSD Software Monthly Event - Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty (TIP) It goes Global-USA August 2, this Saturday. If you are interested in LEARNING about, USING &/or CREATING FREE SOFTWARE, then you are invited to the First Berkeley-TIP-Global meeting. Coming to YOUR LOCATION, in & throughout the USA. This Saturday August 2. [Yep. You can do that.] Join: http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal It's really easy to join with us. And you'll have a fun day learning & producing things with your buddies from all over the (Global)-USA. I'm writing to let you know about this event, & find out if anyone there is interested in helping setup a local meeting, & participating with us. If anyone is, I'll try to help you out - answer questions, give you some guidance. ===================================================================== ===== CONTENTS: ===== 1) THE MULTIMEDIA ANNOUNCEMENT 2) THE BASIC ANNOUNCEMENT DETAILS 3) TALKS SCHEDULE AUGUST 2 (Pacific Daylight Savings Time PDST) 4) TALKS/VIDEOS/GROUP_MEETINGS AGENDA (PDST) 5) TALKS: Videos for the August 2 Meeting 6) !!!!! MAIN AGENDA FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING = VOIP !!!!! 7) ME + YOU = 3 - What I do, what you do. 8) GLOBAL-USA - This month's step forward goal. 9) SUMMARY -- 10) Sample Local Announcement ===================================================================== ===== 1) THE MULTIMEDIA ANNOUNCEMENT ===== [Que: 10 Second Countdown] [Roll: Countdown] [Que: The first 42 seconds of Caravan, by Van Morrison & The Band, "Van Morrison - Caravan - The Last Waltz - great quality Video" The Last Waltz, 1976, San Francisco, California] [Roll: Caravan] ===== And, the caravan is on it's way - I can hear that merry gypsy play. Mama mama look at Ammareu! She's a-playin' with the ... radio! La la la la, la la la. La la la la, la la la! ===== Well, the Berkeley TIP has had two great meetings, and this month, once again, we're gonna bop it up another notch. This month we go Global-USA. You're invited - Come join with us, August 2 Saturday, Pacific Daylight Savings Time 10 AM - 6 PM. Oh, . . . , yeah, . . ., at your local loca-tion. [. . . oh, . . . yeah . .. . ] - La la la la, la la la. La la la la, la la la! [ ;) ] ===================================================================== ===== 2) THE BASIC ANNOUNCEMENT DETAILS ===== If you are interested in LEARNING about, USING &/or CREATING FREE SOFTWARE, Then you are invited to the first Berkeley-TIP-Global meeting - this Saturday August 2nd. Berkeley-TIP-Global is a meeting for friendly, helpful people interested in learning about, using & creating GNU & BSD type software. There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of events at each meeting: 1) TALKS Talks by various speakers (stream/DL video globally) 2) INSTALLFEST Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software. 3) POTLUCK Bring $5 or food to share: eat, chat (optional) 4) PROGRAMMING PARTY Write SW on your. or a group. project The meeting will be held in multiple simultaneous locations around the globe. This month the meeting expands to locations around the USA. This is a FREE, no $ cost, event. If you want to make a donation to help this event, that would be wonderful. Like other things in life, you might need to DO A LITTLE SOMETHING for you to have the event you want. In particular, you likely will need to DOWNLOAD A VIDEO for a talk you want to see. It's easy. This is a SELF-RELIANT event: 0) ARRANGE a local meeting LOCATION with INTERNET access. Could be as simple as someone's house, apartment, an internet cafe, a school room, or company office. 1) EMAIL to the BerkTIPGlobal mailing list LINKS to relevant VIDEO TALKS. 2) DOWNLOAD the videos you want to see to your laptop. 3) EMAIL your LOCAL GROUP the list of videos you will bring. 4) BRING your laptop, VOIP headset, & etc. 5) Meet at a location with at least internet for IRC, better yet if it can handle VOIP, better still if it can receive streaming video, & WATCH videos/talks JOIN IRC & VOIP INSTALL SW EAT some food CHAT, & help CREATE SOFTWARE, DESIGN HARDWARE, or CREATE ART. Join the mailing list. http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal Help set up a meeting in your area. I think it's best to have just one central meeting within about a 60 mile radius - but, hey, what do I know? You do what you think is right. ===================================================================== ===== 3) TALKS SCHEDULE AUGUST 2 (Pacific Daylight Savings Time PDST): ( !!! NOTE: Your time zone simultaneous times are a DIFFERENT HOUR OF THE DAY than the hours below if you aren't in PDST. So ADJUST FOR YOUR TIME ZONE!!! EX: EAST COAST USA = PDST + 3 HOURS. I.E. 10 AM PDST = 1 PM EDST. ) ===================================================================== ===== 4) TALKS/VIDEOS/GROUP_MEETINGS AGENDA (PDST): ===== TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: See the website for final schedule. 1000A NETWORKING - internet, Apache, Firefox web browser, VOIP... SOCIAL - EFF, FSF... 1130A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES - Python, PERL, CC++, PHP... DATABASES - MySQL, MSQL, BerkeleyDB... 100P GUI's - GNOME, KDE... DISTROS - GNU(Linux), BSD, Debian, Gentoo, FreeBSD OpenBSD... 230P BUSINESS - CRM, ERP, spreadsheets... EDUCATION/ACADEMIC/SCIENCE - OLPC, SciPy... 400P HARDWARE - OLPC, phone(OpenMoko)... PERSONAL APPLICATIONS - K/Open-Office, games, multimedia... 530P ART - Creative Commons, music, visual, Wikipedia... These are the TIME SLOTS for the various talks. There will only BE talks if someone makes a talk available for that time slot. There are two ways to do that: LIVE & PRE-RECORDED. For this August 2 meeting, as a practical matter, there isn't really time to get live talks going, I think. Thus, for this meeting we will just view previously recorded talks. I will suggest a few talks that people can download ahead of the meeting, then view simultaneously at the meeting. And, it is YOUR responsibility to find pre-recorded talks for what interests YOU, and post links to the download location for those talks to the mailing list, so others can DL those talks & watch them simultaneously, at their meeting sites. See the group website & mailing list for details about what talks/videos are scheduled for the topic times. I'll also try to email the people who gave the recorded presentations, so they can join us online after the video to answer questions & chat. ===================================================================== ===== 5) TALKS: Videos for the August 2 Meeting: ===== TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: See the website for final schedule. 1000 AM-------------------------------------------------------------- Networking1:Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2148055040572903738 http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20070628 Social: ? 1130 AM-------------------------------------------------------------- Networking2:Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKe_jXszFc Prog Lang: Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDgD9whDfEY http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2008-June/003629.html Database: A Googly MySQL Cluster Talk http://youtube.com/watch?v=HJ930zMk96U 100 PM-------------------------------------------------------------- GUIs: ? Distros: git - Linus Torvalds http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2199332044603874737 230 PM-------------------------------------------------------------- Business: Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2765503550413131030 http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20080626 Education: Python on the OLPC XO Laptop - Merriam, Cherlin & __ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPabiIHgmBU 400 PM-------------------------------------------------------------- Hardware: ? Open Moko?? - can we get someone to give a talk on this??? Pers Apps: ? Games - TeamSpeak - can we get a talk on this??? 530 PM-------------------------------------------------------------- Art: ? ?? VLC video streaming?? Video download tool: http://www.techcrunch.com/get-youtube-movie/ Or try youtube-dl ? For this first meeting, the above list is probably plenty to start out with - given that this is the startup meeting for the USA wide effort, and a major effort & focus of this meeting will be to work on getting inter-location communications going - ie, IRC & especially VOIP. But, feel free to suggest other talks for this meeting on the google groups mailing list, if you so desire. Note: When two talks are available for the same topic, ex: 2 Distro talks, the second listed talk will happen in the time slot after the first talk. Ex: Distro1 talk at 10A, Distro2 talk at 1130A. YOU SEARCH FOR RELEVANT TALKS - some links: http://www.youtube.com http://youtube.com/user/googletechtalks http://www.archive.org/details/computersandtechvideos http://www.archive.org/details/wikimedia http://www.archive.org/details/movies http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_movies ===================================================================== ===== 6) !!!!! MAIN AGENDA FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING = VOIP !!!!! - ===== Getting COMMUNICATIONS working between meeting locations, Definitely IRC Especially VOIP - Ekiga, TeamSpeak, ? Maybe webcam streaming, video streaming, VLC? The PROGRAMMING PARTY TOPIC for this meeting is: Help get IRC, VOIP, Webcam streaming working between meeting sites. If you know about these topics - this is your chance to help out. SOFTWARE: Ekiga, TeamSpeak, VLC webcasting http://goteamspeak.com Since IRC should be easy to do, the main focus of this meeting will be to get VOIP communications working between multiple meeting site locations. From the little search I've done so far, TeamSpeak looks like it might be a good solution. "TeamSpeak is a quality, scalable application which enables people to speak with one another over the Internet. TeamSpeak consists of both client and server software. The server acts as a host to multiple client connections, capable of handling literally thousands of simultaneous users. This results in an Internet based conferencing solution that works in a variety of applications such as team mates speaking with one another while playing their favorite online game, small businesses cutting costs on long distance charges, or for personal communication with friends and family." ===================================================================== ===== 7) ME + YOU = 3 - What I do, what you do. ===== Note: I'm just creating the ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE for this meeting in my SMALL PART TIME, as my VOLUNTEER contribution to the GNU/BSD communities. I'm creating the ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE for the meeting. I'm NOT creating the MEETING - (although I'll certainly assist) - If YOU want to attend this meeting, then the person(s) creating the meeting are: YOU (collectively). I'm creating the structure to enable people who want to be able to attend an event like this to put together the event they want to have. That is part of the reason why I call this a "Self-Reliant event". "Self-Reliance" means: if you see something that could be improved, figure out an improvement & help out with that. ===================================================================== ===== 8) GLOBAL-USA - This month's step forward goal. ===== When I set out to create this Berkeley-TIP-Global event, I planned to start it small, & grow it one step at a time. I've put together two great local meetings in Berkeley the past two months. This month, I'm working to enable persons who wish to participate to get this meeting going around the USA. USA is the growth step this month. Everyone everywhere in the world is welcome to set up a local simultaneous meeting. Please forward this announcement to relevant other mailing lists. I only have time this month to focus my attention on USA groups. You, & anyone, are welcome, & encouraged, to set up a simultaneous meeting in any part of the world. I will be sending this email announcement to the following LUGs (State, Group): CA LULA SFVLUG, CO CLUE, FL LEAP, GA ALE, HI Luau, IL ChicagoLinux, LA BRLUG, MA BLU, MD BaltoLUG, MI MDLUG, NC TriLUG, NY NYLUG, OR PLUG, PA PLUG WPLUG, TX ALG, VA NoBALUG, WA GSLUG. I chose those groups in each local area because with a quick search on http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/ those groups seemed to be the ones in each area that had the most active mailing list. I will also try to send this announcement to the following interest groups: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Debian, Gentoo, KDE, Gnome, FSF, GNU, EFF, CreativeCommons, Python, LinuxWeeklyNews, Mozilla. I will be sending a local announcement to SanFrancisco Bay Area LUGs, directing to BerkTIP, the local, not global, group page. http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIP ==DO: -- Here are links for DIGG - please go to this URL to DIGG this site to feature the announcement for this event prominently: http://digg.com/software/Invite_Aug_2_Sat_1st_USA_wide_GNU_BSD_FreeSW_Culture_Mtg In the next months I'll work to expand this to: September 6: The Americas October 4: Europe November 1: Asia ===================================================================== ===== 9) SUMMARY: This sould be a great event for anyone wanting to keep on top of the leading developments in GNU/BSD technology. With 7 or more great talks, you'll learn lots & meet with many top people. NOTE: I'm doing this as a small part time effort as a volunteer for the community when I have many other things to do with my time. So, don't expect perfection, do expect hiccups, and if you see something you think could be improved - YOU CAN VOLUNTEER TO IMPROVE THINGS. :) Best wishes - I hope to see you there. :) From sverma at sfsu.edu Wed Jul 30 08:57:02 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:57:02 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] OpenMoko In-Reply-To: <1217393502.10905.393.camel@ubuntu> References: <598ed5ff0807290743q74636e40mca3f5a0aea072a72@mail.gmail.com> <1217393502.10905.393.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <48908F4E.9040509@sfsu.edu> jim wrote: > linuxworld is this coming week, august 5 > through august 7. there'll be some exhibitors > and activities re openmoko there. > i'm interested in this, hoping there are > integration possibilities that openmoko lends > to linux and other FOSS systems. > > > OpenMoko will be at LinuxWorld. Here's a thread about the same. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022409.html I've copied Michael Shiloh on this reply, who is spearheading the presence. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ > On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 07:43 -0700, phillip tribble wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I just paid for my Free Runner phone online today. I was wondering if >> anyone else has it and their thought/reviews of the device. I have >> T-Mobile so I hpoe it works =( >> >> -- Phil >> >> -- >> Phillip Tribble >> Rushers Blog >> http://rusher.webhop.org >> "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step >> behind" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Wed Jul 30 09:05:30 2008 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 30 Jul 2008 12:05:30 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] OpenMoko Message-ID: <2351078.1217433932440.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> Just a quick side note regarding Openmoko. I just ordered a NeoFreerunner and I am expecting it anyday so I signed up for the Openmoko community mailing list. If you decide to sign up for the mailing list be sure to have proper filters set on your inbox or a separate email account or something, It is extremely active right now and I got blown up with about 200 emails over the evening just from that list. Maybe everyone already does that with all the lists they join but it was learning experience for me. Best Regards, Blake Haggerty Permanent Placement Specialist Work: 415-788-8488 x6062 Fax: 415-788-2592 Email: blake.haggerty at sapphire.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/blakehaggerty Sapphire Technologies See who we know in common -----Original Message----- From:Sameer Verma sverma at sfsu.edu To: "jim" , "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" ; Cc: "Michael Shiloh" ; Sent: Jul 30, 2008 08:59:41 AM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] OpenMoko jim wrote: > linuxworld is this coming week, august 5 > through august 7. there'll be some exhibitors > and activities re openmoko there. > i'm interested in this, hoping there are > integration possibilities that openmoko lends > to linux and other FOSS systems. > > > OpenMoko will be at LinuxWorld. Here's a thread about the same. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022409.html I've copied Michael Shiloh on this reply, who is spearheading the presence. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ > On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 07:43 -0700, phillip tribble wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I just paid for my Free Runner phone online today. I was wondering if >> anyone else has it and their thought/reviews of the device. I have >> T-Mobile so I hpoe it works =( >> >> -- Phil >> >> -- >> Phillip Tribble >> Rushers Blog >> http://rusher.webhop.org >> "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step >> behind" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/f7d4cd0b/attachment.htm From jane_ikari at yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 09:38:22 2008 From: jane_ikari at yahoo.com (bruce coston) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <965718.30981.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> ??? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:35:59 -0700 ??? From: Rick Moen ??? Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog ??? To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com ??? Message-ID: <20080730013559.GU10437 at linuxmafia.com> ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ??? Quoting JW (jmango at mail.com): ??? > The learning curve for each distro seems annoying and unnecessary to me. ??? Maybe you're spending too much time trying to learn the parts that just ??? don't matter. ??? The bash shell and core GNU & BSD tools are utterly consistent and ??? reliable across all systems.? Standard X11 copy-and-paste works exactly ??? the same, regardless of window manager and "desktop" (if any)... Yeah, right! Why do the xfree86 commands not work anymore? [ the liscensing bit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/9939042e/attachment.htm From ttrafford at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 10:23:32 2008 From: ttrafford at gmail.com (Tyler Trafford) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:23:32 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! In-Reply-To: <965718.30981.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <965718.30981.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080730172332.GA12607@oasis.local> bruce coston wrote: > In fact, why does 915resolution not work anymore? Why do I need to go > through the hellish nightmare of removing most of the video system and > installing old 915resolution to get the right video modes on my > laptop? 915resolution isn't needed anymore with a recent version of X and the "intel" driver. -- Tyler Trafford A sect or party is an elegant incognito devised to save a man from the vexation of thinking. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Journals, 1831 From jim at well.com Wed Jul 30 10:26:01 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:26:01 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [vox] Siafoo developers seek feedback] Message-ID: <1217438761.10905.426.camel@ubuntu> as seen on LUGOD's mailing list, preface by bill kendrick: ------------------------------- Reply-To: LUGOD's general discussion mailing list Subject: [vox] Siafoo developers seek feedback Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:51:28 -0700 LUGOD received this, which we were asked to post to our list, if we felt it's appropriate. I turned around and invited them to come speak at a meeting. They'll be here in Aug, Sept or maybe December, once we figure our schedules. :) ----- Forwarded message from Stou Sandalski ----- We are two recent UCD alumni that started a website, called Siafoo, for storing and sharing code, scripts, and general technical information. Siafoo's purpose is to be somewhere between a full-fledged source control system and the directory on your hard drive containing all your useful scripts and snippets. We created it because we noticed that a decent amount of time was wasted in trying to find boiler plate examples and utility functions buried inside large projects, reinventing the proverbial wheel, and tracking down solutions to obscure bugs on random forums and blogs. You can read more about Siafoo's purpose and features on our about page (http://www.siafoo.net/help/about) or try out the syntax highlighter (http://www.siafoo.net/tools/code) and reST demo (http://www.siafoo.net/tools/reST). We would love to get some feedback on how the site can become more useful both in its design and feature set. """ Thank you, Stou Sandalski and Davis Isaacson ------------------------------- vox mailing list vox at lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox ------------------------------- From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 30 10:46:22 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:46:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! In-Reply-To: <965718.30981.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <965718.30981.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080730174622.GA10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bruce Coston (jane_ikari at yahoo.com): > Yeah, right! Why do the xfree86 commands not work anymore? To reiterate what I said -- and what you were professing to disagree with: Standard X11 copy-and-paste works exactly the same, regardless of window manager and "desktop" (if any) systems. (You might have a broken X server setup; your post was a bit vague.) In short, I notice that none of your post appears to have anything to do with what *I* said. Nothing wrong with that: Please fire away with any changes of subject the Muse dictates, but please don't pretend you were refuting my (above-reiterated) plain statement of fact -- when you've actually started talking about something else entirely. (I can't actually tell what you're talking about, to be honest, but it sure as heck wasn't what I addressed.) From dssstrkl at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:11:27 2008 From: dssstrkl at gmail.com (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:11:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! Message-ID: I think the problem is there's no consistency for people used to the Windows or OS X experience. In theory, Windows is Windows and OS X is OS X, but Ubuntu is not Fedora. Its great that the underpinnings of Linux are extremely consistent with *nix systems, but most people don't see that. The big reason why I bought a Mac in 2002 was because OS X 10.2 on a powerbook was just that much of a better experience than I was having with either Linux or Windows on a series of PC laptops, plus it had the unix-y stuff that I had come to love! What I'm trying to say is that for people who want to try linux, but are in between the levels of propellerhead and techtard, a lot of that low-level consistency has to make its way to the high level GUIs. It does require some cooperation between distros, but things like rpms not working on non-Red Hat distros can really burn someone (that's just an example). On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Bruce Coston (jane_ikari at yahoo.com): > >> Yeah, right! Why do the xfree86 commands not work anymore? > > To reiterate what I said -- and what you were professing to disagree > with: > Standard X11 copy-and-paste works exactly the same, regardless of > window > manager and "desktop" (if any) systems. (You might have a broken X > server setup; your post was a bit vague.) > > In short, I notice that none of your post appears to have anything > to do > with what *I* said. Nothing wrong with that: Please fire away with > any > changes of subject the Muse dictates, but please don't pretend you > were > refuting my (above-reiterated) plain statement of fact -- when you've > actually started talking about something else entirely. > > (I can't actually tell what you're talking about, to be honest, but it > sure as heck wasn't what I addressed.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Paul Ward dssstrkl at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/5790ac8d/attachment-0001.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 30 11:23:01 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:23:01 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080730182301.GD10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): > I think the problem is there's no consistency for people used to the > Windows or OS X experience. You see a problem; I see something merely being itself. Ain't perspectives grand? > The big reason why I bought a Mac in 2002 was because OS X 10.2 on a > powerbook was just that much of a better experience than I was having > with either Linux or Windows on a series of PC laptops, plus it had > the unix-y stuff that I had come to love! Oddly enough, the big reason why I prefer to run Xubuntu rather than OS X on my Macs is that OS X's implementation of Unix sucks at nearly every level. (I've used nearly every MacOS version going back to 1984, by the way.) > What I'm trying to say is that for people who want to try linux, but > are in between the levels of propellerhead and techtard, a lot of that > low-level consistency has to make its way to the high level GUIs. Funny thing: Just about every time someone says Linux "has to" do something or other, he or she turns out to be factually mistaken. What you appear to mean is: You would personally prefer that a vast community of people whose paycheques you do not sign _change_ what they're doing at a very fundamental level, to do things in the way that you imagine is best, probably (I would speculate) while having an at best uncertain understanding of the details of what they do. I hope that works for you, but I've honestly never seen it work for anyone else, in the entire history of software. From dssstrkl at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:52:00 2008 From: dssstrkl at gmail.com (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:52:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! In-Reply-To: <20080730182301.GD10437@linuxmafia.com> References: <20080730182301.GD10437@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <72cec7f0807301152n2aa545ckfb51b7703bcfb39d@mail.gmail.com> On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): I think the problem is there's no consistency for people used to the Windows or OS X experience. You see a problem; I see something merely being itself. Ain't perspectives grand? Its a problem insofar as getting people to switch wholesale from windows to linux. I had no problem setting my grandfather up with Kubuntu, since he has virtually no experience with computers (and was mostly interested in the hardware), but I can imagine the problems he would have if I had given him the choice to run gnome instead, or another distro. The big reason why I bought a Mac in 2002 was because OS X 10.2 on a powerbook was just that much of a better experience than I was having with either Linux or Windows on a series of PC laptops, plus it had the unix-y stuff that I had come to love! Oddly enough, the big reason why I prefer to run Xubuntu rather than OS X on my Macs is that OS X's implementation of Unix sucks at nearly every level. (I've used nearly every MacOS version going back to 1984, by the way.) OS X's unix works just fine for what I need it to do (perspective, right?). And I've used every version of the Mac OS as well. I even have my dad's original Mac, minus the boot disks, of course. I just couldn't bring myself to spend good money on the horror of OS 8-9, aka System 7.7 What I'm trying to say is that for people who want to try linux, but are in between the levels of propellerhead and techtard, a lot of that low-level consistency has to make its way to the high level GUIs. Funny thing: Just about every time someone says Linux "has to" do something or other, he or she turns out to be factually mistaken. What you appear to mean is: You would personally prefer that a vast community of people whose paycheques you do not sign _change_ what they're doing at a very fundamental level, to do things in the way that you imagine is best, probably (I would speculate) while having an at best uncertain understanding of the details of what they do. I hope that works for you, but I've honestly never seen it work for anyone else, in the entire history of software. Not at all. I thought we were talking about issues that end users have with various inconsistencies with the Linux experience and how to deal with that. I don't personally have any problems with the way that Linux is produced, although I do take issue with some of FSF's philosophical positions. I like trying out new distros and new desktop environments. I'm not afraid of poking around /etc to see what happens (although I tend to only do that in VMs now). From my experience, I am very much in the minority. That's why when I introduce someone to linux, I always give them a Kubuntu disk and don't even mention that there are other choices. To them, that's Linux. _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Paul Ward dssstrkl at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/a07caabf/attachment.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 30 12:05:25 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:05:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! In-Reply-To: <72cec7f0807301152n2aa545ckfb51b7703bcfb39d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080730182301.GD10437@linuxmafia.com> <72cec7f0807301152n2aa545ckfb51b7703bcfb39d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080730190524.GL29854@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): > On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Um, I didn't write most of that. Maybe you should use a mail service that does competent quoting. I'm not even going to try to untangle that unholy mess. From aldenm at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 12:29:07 2008 From: aldenm at gmail.com (Alden Meneses) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:29:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] on my way to saying goodbye to microsoft In-Reply-To: <4b5781040807292049y21011817v8c4c126ae78a295e@mail.gmail.com> References: <221610dc0807291553p46a8ec4cge5492f6998085e8c@mail.gmail.com> <4b5781040807292049y21011817v8c4c126ae78a295e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <221610dc0807301229t2e3da773y36a8595dd88da72c@mail.gmail.com> Hey SF Luggers, Thanks for all the cool info. You guys are awesome and your help will make my transition more fun. I installed mplayer but haven't figured out how to play DVDs just yet. Totem gives me an error when I try to play DVD movies. I am in the market for a new desktop PC and linuxmce looks intriguing. does anyone know if you can play blue-ray DVD work on linux yet? I don't have a video cam yet but will check out kino and see if i can play around with the movie files from my digital cam. Thanks again, Alden On 7/29/08, Christian Einfeldt wrote: > > hi > > 2008/7/29 Alden Meneses > >> Anyone know a good video editor? >> > > http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/200807130419006/Video.html > > -- > Christian Einfeldt, > Producer, The Digital Tipping Point > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/10be8ee8/attachment.htm From dssstrkl at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 12:38:32 2008 From: dssstrkl at gmail.com (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:38:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! Message-ID: <09149E5E-1BA5-4075-A951-ECA720607D80@gmail.com> On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Um, I didn't write most of that. Maybe you should use a mail service > that does competent quoting. I'm not even going to try to untangle > that > unholy mess. Sorry that gmail doesn't meet your lofty quoting standards. Some of us have things to do in the day that might interfere with admining out personal mailservers. Anyway, your (Rick Moen's) responses are quoted: > You see a problem; I see something merely being itself. Ain't > perspectives grand? Its a problem insofar as getting people to switch wholesale from windows to linux. I had no problem setting my grandfather up with Kubuntu, since he has virtually no experience with computers (and was mostly interested in the hardware), but I can imagine the problems he would have if I had given him the choice to run gnome instead, or another distro. > Oddly enough, the big reason why I prefer to run Xubuntu rather than > OS > X on my Macs is that OS X's implementation of Unix sucks at nearly > every > level. (I've used nearly every MacOS version going back to 1984, by > the > way.) OS X's unix works just fine for what I need it to do (perspective, right?). And I've used every version of the Mac OS as well. I even have my dad's original Mac, minus the boot disks, of course. I just couldn't bring myself to spend good money on the horror of OS 8-9, aka System 7.7 > Funny thing: Just about every time someone says Linux "has to" do > something or other, he or she turns out to be factually mistaken. > What > you appear to mean is: You would personally prefer that a vast > community of people whose paycheques you do not sign _change_ what > they're > doing at a very fundamental level, to do things in the way that you > imagine is best, probably (I would speculate) while having an at best > uncertain understanding of the details of what they do. > > I hope that works for you, but I've honestly never seen it work for > anyone else, in the entire history of software. Not at all. I thought we were talking about issues that end users have with various inconsistencies with the Linux experience and how to deal with that. I don't personally have any problems with the way that Linux is produced, although I do take issue with some of FSF's philosophical positions. I like trying out new distros and new desktop environments. I'm not afraid of poking around /etc to see what happens (although I tend to only do that in VMs now). From my experience, I am very much in the minority. That's why when I introduce someone to linux, I always give them a Kubuntu disk and don't even mention that there are other choices. To them, that's Linux. Paul Ward dssstrkl at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/0460c074/attachment.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 30 12:58:23 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:58:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! In-Reply-To: <09149E5E-1BA5-4075-A951-ECA720607D80@gmail.com> References: <09149E5E-1BA5-4075-A951-ECA720607D80@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080730195823.GF10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): > Sorry that gmail doesn't meet your lofty quoting standards. Some of us > have things to do in the day that might interfere with admining out > personal mailservers. At your leisure, look at the garbled "text/plain" portion of the "multipart/alternative" mess you're sending out. Anyhow, sorry, but I'm a bit busy today to even spend time reading OS-advocacy essays, which among other problems have nothing whatever to do with what I posted about before Bruce Coston suddenly gave the topic a huge yank in some random direction and then you appear to have done likewise. (No offence intended, but I have absolutely no reason to care what operating systems you or pretty nearly anyone else like and why.) From einfeldt at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 13:01:21 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:01:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] on my way to saying goodbye to microsoft In-Reply-To: <221610dc0807301229t2e3da773y36a8595dd88da72c@mail.gmail.com> References: <221610dc0807291553p46a8ec4cge5492f6998085e8c@mail.gmail.com> <4b5781040807292049y21011817v8c4c126ae78a295e@mail.gmail.com> <221610dc0807301229t2e3da773y36a8595dd88da72c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5781040807301301k6de3fce0qf0a14595d438ddc3@mail.gmail.com> hi 2008/7/30 Alden Meneses > Hey SF Luggers, > > Thanks for all the cool info. You guys are awesome and your help will make > my transition more fun. I installed mplayer but haven't figured out how to > play DVDs just yet. Totem gives me an error when I try to play DVD movies. > Some vendors believe that copyright law prevents them from providing you with all of the proprietary codecs that you need to play media with non-Free codecs, and so they don't package Linux with all of those codecs. You can actually purchase a type of GNU-Linux called Linspire that has all of those codecs. Or, you can get free support from this list to do the same. Of course, the SF-LUG also has meetings where you can bring your computer, and you will probably be able to get it taken care of there. What distro are you using? Sorry, I forgot. You can probably open your package manager, click the reload button to renew the list of available packages, and then click search and type "video" into the search box and it will tell you all of the names of the packages that might help you. You probably will be able to play commercial DVDs that way. > I am in the market for a new desktop PC and linuxmce looks intriguing. > does anyone know if you can play blue-ray DVD work on linux yet? > If you are in the market for a new desktop PC, you should really consider purchasing a machine from this local company: Zareason.com. They are very active in our local LUG activities, and they are highly regarded and trusted. Your machine will be built locally, and you will eventually likely meet the people who built your machine! I have actually purchased 4 machines from them for a total of $8k dollars, and I have been very satisfied. If you get the machine from them, just be sure to let them know what uses you want to make of it, and they will configure it and test it to make sure it works. > I don't have a video cam yet but will check out kino and see if i can play > around with the movie files from my digital cam. > What kind of digital cam are you talking about? Linux works well with most of them, but do be sure to google any purchases to make sure that you have a Linux-friendly camera. You don't want to happen to buy the one or two cameras that won't work with Linux. Again, if you tell the Zareason team what camera you want to get, they will make sure it works with that camera. Good luck Alden! > > Thanks again, > Alden > -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/2df57733/attachment.htm From ttrafford at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 13:08:44 2008 From: ttrafford at gmail.com (Tyler Trafford) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:08:44 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] what "consistency", not near the user - we don't got no consistency! In-Reply-To: <09149E5E-1BA5-4075-A951-ECA720607D80@gmail.com> References: <09149E5E-1BA5-4075-A951-ECA720607D80@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080730200844.GB12607@oasis.local> Paul Ward wrote: > Sorry that gmail doesn't meet your lofty quoting standards. GMail works better in that regard if you disable the rich text stuff. -- Tyler Trafford A sect or party is an elegant incognito devised to save a man from the vexation of thinking. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Journals, 1831 From jmango at mail.com Wed Jul 30 13:38:35 2008 From: jmango at mail.com (JW) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:38:35 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Consistency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4890D14B.80207@mail.com> On Jul 30, 2008, Paul Ward wrote > > I think the problem is there's no consistency for people used > to the Windows or OS X experience. In theory, Windows is > Windows and OS X is OS X, but Ubuntu is not Fedora. Its great > that the underpinnings of Linux are extremely consistent with > *nix systems, but most people don't see that. The big reason > why I bought a Mac in 2002 was because OS X 10.2 on a > powerbook was just that much of a better experience than I was > having with either Linux or Windows on a series of PC laptops, > plus it had the unix-y stuff that I had come to love! > > What I'm trying to say is that for people who want to try > linux, but are in between the levels of propellerhead and > techtard, a lot of that low-level consistency has to make its > way to the high level GUIs. It does require some cooperation > between distros, but things like rpms not working on non-Red > Hat distros can really burn someone (that's just an example). > > Thank you Paul. You really understood my original post. Please keep in mind that we propellerheads-in-training are not necessarily guided by some mysterious aesthetic when deciding which distribution to use. More likely the criteria will be very obvious and quantifiable - the time to productivity ratio. The point I was trying to make was that inconsistent or re-invented interfaces, which are probably the most fun for the developer, are the least productive for the user (and you got that, thanks). -- Jim W. From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 30 13:51:34 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:51:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Consistency In-Reply-To: <4890D14B.80207@mail.com> References: <4890D14B.80207@mail.com> Message-ID: <20080730205133.GG10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting JW (jmango at mail.com): > Please keep in mind that we propellerheads-in-training are not > necessarily guided by some mysterious aesthetic when deciding which > distribution to use. If you are very used to MS-Windows-du-jour, or Mac OS X, etc., and your primary criterion is immediate familiarity to yourself and thus "time to productivity ratio", shouldn't you should stick with what you know, and eschew Linux entirely? (Some people like Christian seem to be all about convincing the computing world to run Linux. Me, I think people are best advised to use what they believe will make them happy.) From x351912 at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:02:46 2008 From: x351912 at gmail.com (Ted Nebus) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:02:46 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 32, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:29:07 -0700 > From: "Alden Meneses" > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] on my way to saying goodbye to microsoft > To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > Message-ID: > <221610dc0807301229t2e3da773y36a8595dd88da72c at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey SF Luggers, > > Thanks for all the cool info. You guys are awesome and your help will make > my transition more fun. I installed mplayer but haven't figured out how to > play DVDs just yet. Totem gives me an error when I try to play DVD movies. > > I am in the market for a new desktop PC and linuxmce looks intriguing. does > anyone know if you can play blue-ray DVD work on linux yet? > > I don't have a video cam yet but will check out kino and see if i can play > around with the movie files from my digital cam. > > Thanks again, > Alden I donno if your running Ubuntu or not (I am) and I have found this howto: to take care of almost all of my multimedia configuration. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683 From dssstrkl at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 14:23:39 2008 From: dssstrkl at gmail.com (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:23:39 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Consistency Message-ID: On Jul 30, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting JW (jmango at mail.com): > >> Please keep in mind that we propellerheads-in-training are not >> necessarily guided by some mysterious aesthetic when deciding which >> distribution to use. > > If you are very used to MS-Windows-du-jour, or Mac OS X, etc., and > your > primary criterion is immediate familiarity to yourself and thus > "time to > productivity ratio", shouldn't you should stick with what you know, > and > eschew Linux entirely? Because that's not what the discussion is about. I'm not advocating that anyone should clone Windows or OS X or that's its unreasonable to expect people to learn about the differences between OSes. The point is that it would be very nice if there was (a lot) more unity in the way that distros, particularly ones that purport to be mainstream products, like Ubuntu. Motor vehicles come in all sorts of configurations, some of which are harder to use than others, some that require special training and certification to use, but they're not THAT different from each other. Using an OS that is supposed to be for the masses should be like going from an automatic car to a manual to a motorcycle. It shouldn't be like moving from a car to a 747. > (Some people like Christian seem to be all about convincing the > computing world to run Linux. Me, I think people are best advised to > use what they believe will make them happy.) I fully agree. One's choice of OS should be fully predicated by what you need to do with it. If you want to build an HTPC (and have blu- ray), you're stuck with Vista. What's more important: the experience, or the OS? > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Paul Ward dssstrkl at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/121cf9a4/attachment.htm From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Wed Jul 30 14:26:38 2008 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 30 Jul 2008 17:26:38 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] on my way to saying goodbye to microsoft Message-ID: <13112145.1217453201565.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> > I am in the market for a new desktop PC and linuxmce looks intriguing. does anyone know if you can play blue-ray DVD work >on linux yet? It doesn't seem to me this question has truly been answered. In short, if I understand your question correctly NO you cannot play Blu-Ray Discs on any linux distribution. Now if you just want to burn data or rip data off a Blu-Ray disc than yes you can do that. Currently there is one way to watch BLu-Ray movies through Ubuntu but it is a royal pain in the ass. (And Illegal I believe... Not that I care but...) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD) I find it easier to just dual boot both Vista ultimate and use that for my Blu-Ray needs (truly only reason I even have Vista Ultimate) and use Ubuntu for everything else. I believe eventually you will be able to just simply pop in the Blu-Ray and have it play in VLC or Totem or whatever but as for now It cant. Best Regards, Blake Haggerty Permanent Placement Specialist Work: 415-788-8488 x6062 Fax: 415-788-2592 Email: blake.haggerty at sapphire.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/blakehaggerty Sapphire Technologies See who we know in common -----Original Message----- From:Christian Einfeldt einfeldt at gmail.com To: "Alden Meneses" ; Cc: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" ; Sent: Jul 30, 2008 01:17:57 PM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] on my way to saying goodbye to microsoft hi 2008/7/30 Alden Meneses Hey SF Luggers, Thanks for all the cool info. You guys are awesome and your help will make my transition more fun. I installed mplayer but haven't figured out how to play DVDs just yet. Totem gives me an error when I try to play DVD movies. Some vendors believe that copyright law prevents them from providing you with all of the proprietary codecs that you need to play media with non-Free codecs, and so they don't package Linux with all of those codecs. You can actually purchase a type of GNU-Linux called Linspire that has all of those codecs. Or, you can get free support from this list to do the same. Of course, the SF-LUG also has meetings where you can bring your computer, and you will probably be able to get it taken care of there. What distro are you using? Sorry, I forgot. You can probably open your package manager, click the reload button to renew the list of available packages, and then click search and type "video" into the search box and it will tell you all of the names of the packages that might help you. You probably will be able to play commercial DVDs that way. I am in the market for a new desktop PC and linuxmce looks intriguing. does anyone know if you can play blue-ray DVD work on linux yet? If you are in the market for a new desktop PC, you should really consider purchasing a machine from this local company: Zareason.com. They are very active in our local LUG activities, and they are highly regarded and trusted. Your machine will be built locally, and you will eventually likely meet the people who built your machine! I have actually purchased 4 machines from them for a total of $8k dollars, and I have been very satisfied. If you get the machine from them, just be sure to let them know what uses you want to make of it, and they will configure it and test it to make sure it works. I don't have a video cam yet but will check out kino and see if i can play around with the movie files from my digital cam. What kind of digital cam are you talking about? Linux works well with most of them, but do be sure to google any purchases to make sure that you have a Linux-friendly camera. You don't want to happen to buy the one or two cameras that won't work with Linux. Again, if you tell the Zareason team what camera you want to get, they will make sure it works with that camera. Good luck Alden! Thanks again, Alden -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/db49d086/attachment-0001.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 30 15:02:10 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:02:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Consistency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080730220209.GA24509@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): > The point is that it would be very nice if there was (a lot) more > unity in the way that distros, particularly ones that purport to be > mainstream products, like Ubuntu. Actually, I think that's quite obviously false -- your "unity" is my my "dumb inflexibility solely to cater to people unwilling to learn anything new" -- but good luck with that. (I remember the sheer irritation value of dealing with visiting Apple "Human Interface Guidelines" inspectors, when I worked at a cross-platform development house, back in the day. > Motor vehicles.... ...are not general-purpose devices, in sharp contrast to computers. Thank you for playing. You have deployed one of the dumbest arguments in a field notorious for them (OS-advocacy). This is precisely the sort of reason why OS-advocacy discussions are generally deemed noxious. (And, if you'll please excuse me....) From dssstrkl at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 15:29:40 2008 From: dssstrkl at gmail.com (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:29:40 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Consistency Message-ID: <9E5DC57E-45DD-470B-B0B5-A77ADCE2D885@gmail.com> On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): > >> The point is that it would be very nice if there was (a lot) more >> unity in the way that distros, particularly ones that purport to be >> mainstream products, like Ubuntu. > > Actually, I think that's quite obviously false -- your "unity" is my > my > "dumb inflexibility solely to cater to people unwilling to learn > anything new" -- but good luck with that. (I remember the sheer > irritation value of dealing with visiting Apple "Human Interface > Guidelines" > inspectors, when I worked at a cross-platform development house, > back in > the day. And that's why Linux isn't a mainstream OS. >> Motor vehicles.... > > ...are not general-purpose devices, in sharp contrast to computers. > Thank you for playing. A PC is a communications tool, adding machine and entertainment toy. It won't get me from point a to point b, it won't grow food for me, nor will it build my house. I'm omitting embedded devices, since that's not what this conversation was about. > You have deployed one of the dumbest arguments > in a field notorious for them (OS-advocacy). And your ass-tastic response that people who might want to use a PC without joining the priesthood are morons who should just stay away isn't warrented. > This is precisely the sort of reason why OS-advocacy discussions are > generally deemed noxious. (And, if you'll please excuse me....) You're excused. If you don't want to be bothered in these conversations of lesser people, then don't jump in. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Paul Ward dssstrkl at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/2d7dfabd/attachment.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jul 30 16:16:29 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:16:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Consistency In-Reply-To: <9E5DC57E-45DD-470B-B0B5-A77ADCE2D885@gmail.com> References: <9E5DC57E-45DD-470B-B0B5-A77ADCE2D885@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080730231629.GA25810@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): > >Actually, I think that's quite obviously false -- your "unity" is my > >my "dumb inflexibility solely to cater to people unwilling to learn > >anything new" -- but good luck with that. (I remember the sheer > >irritation value of dealing with visiting Apple "Human Interface > >Guidelines" inspectors, when I worked at a cross-platform development > >house, back in the day. > > And that's why Linux isn't a mainstream OS. And with that remark, you ignore the point yet again -- and I'm not even counting the fact that Linux did not even _exist_ at that time: Apple's HIG inspectors had insisted, among other things, that $FIRM could not ship cross-platform screen fonts with the MacOS version of our database product, fonts that had the same metrics did as their counterpart fonts that we shipped with our MS-Windows, MacOS, HP-UX, and Solaris-based kits, because that would technically violate various thumbsucking tiny details of the Apple HIG spec of that day. The one overwhelmingly important fact in that situation, that the primary attraction of our entire product to the marketplace was to have 100% identical operations anywhere using a multiplatform runtime, and that they could not expect to drag three other major operating systems into lockstep compliance with theirs, was completely lost on them. > A PC is a communications tool, adding machine and entertainment toy. Aha: Doesn't comprehend the phrase "general-purpose device" -- check. > And your ass-tastic response [yada yada...] OK, we're done. You'll need to talk to procmail, going forward. From dssstrkl at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 16:55:02 2008 From: dssstrkl at gmail.com (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:55:02 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Consistency Message-ID: On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com): > >>> Actually, I think that's quite obviously false -- your "unity" is my >>> my "dumb inflexibility solely to cater to people unwilling to learn >>> anything new" -- but good luck with that. (I remember the sheer >>> irritation value of dealing with visiting Apple "Human Interface >>> Guidelines" inspectors, when I worked at a cross-platform >>> development >>> house, back in the day. >> >> And that's why Linux isn't a mainstream OS. > > And with that remark, you ignore the point yet again OK, my fault for not breaking your paragraphs more ruthlessly. I was referring to your first statement, specifically the "n00bs r dum" tone of it and ignoring the rest. > -- and I'm not even > counting the fact that Linux did not even _exist_ at that time: > Apple's > HIG inspectors had insisted, among other things, that $FIRM could > not ship > cross-platform screen fonts with the MacOS version of our database > product, fonts that had the same metrics did as their counterpart > fonts > that we shipped with our MS-Windows, MacOS, HP-UX, and Solaris-based > kits, because that would technically violate various thumbsucking tiny > details of the Apple HIG spec of that day. > > The one overwhelmingly important fact in that situation, that the > primary > attraction of our entire product to the marketplace was to have 100% > identical operations anywhere using a multiplatform runtime, and that > they could not expect to drag three other major operating systems into > lockstep compliance with theirs, was completely lost on them. Sorry, but an anecdote about Apple's HIG people acting like douchebags 20 years ago doesn't really have any bearing on why it would be a good idea to foster greater UI and experience consistency TODAY. Clearly some things have changed in the last 20 years and Apple is not as concerned with the HIG, since they let this on the iphone app store: http://www.stevenscreek.com/iPhone/triplog.htm >> A PC is a communications tool, adding machine and entertainment toy. > > Aha: Doesn't comprehend the phrase "general-purpose device" -- check. Right back at you: a motor vehicle *can't* be used for one or more basic purposes? > >> And your ass-tastic response [yada yada...] > > OK, we're done. You'll need to talk to procmail, going forward. You started being rude first, bro. > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug Paul Ward dssstrkl at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080730/ec4e48b4/attachment.htm From nbs at sonic.net Wed Jul 30 17:37:20 2008 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:37:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> References: <488FC12B.5030509@mail.com> Message-ID: <20080731003720.GA11459@sonic.net> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 06:17:31PM -0700, JW wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > DAMN toothpaste makers and car manufacturers for giving me choice!!! > > ;) > > Bill, as a real newbie to Linux, may I offer my point of view? Oh of course. I was mostly making a joke. I really _do_ find, sometimes, that too many choices are annoying. However, once I land on that One Perfect Thing (be it Tom's of Maine 'wintermint' or Kubuntu), I'm usually pretty happy in the longrun. > Having tried several distributions, the real problem is inconsistency, > flakiness, and reinventing the wheel. Out of curiosity, what part of the _distro_ is causing this inconsistency? Is it _within_ the distro? (i.e., Gimp looks different from KWord and they both look different from OpenOffice.org Impress?) Or is it between distros which provide the same interface? (Kubuntu's K menu has this structure... KDE on Debian has a K menu with a different structure) Or is it between the different desktop environments you land in on these distros? (i.e., KDE on Kubuntu vs. GNOME (I'll assume) on Fedora vs. XFCE (I'll assume) on Pupply Linux) Oooor... is it something lower-level on the system once it's installed (Stuff goes in /opt/ vs. /usr/... one kind of packaging (apt & dpkg) versus another (rpm and, what, yum?)) Or, is it to do with the differences between the actual installation process? > Why do we need to have so many interfaces that all do the same > thing, so many icons and menus that need to be re-learned each time? In some cases, freedom. KDE developed because Qt was a nice UI and people wanted a CDE-like environment. GTK+ developed as a MOTIF replacement, if I recall. The GNOME created atop GTK+ because of Qt's licensing issues. (Which are now pretty much moot. Dear GNOME folks: please pack your bags and go home. ;^) ) In other cases, "I can do better" (Childsplay vs. Gcompris is an example.) Or, "I have a different goal". Sometimes it's merely "I didn't know something already existed." :^) In many cases, people write code because they enjoy writing the code, and have an itch to scratch. Just as other platforms have had zillions of nearly-identical apps, so does Linux. (I can name numerous C compilers, versions of BASIC, word processors, and Space Invaders-styles games... for my Atari 8-bit. :) I don't think so much has changed in 25 years.) > Why so many applications that do almost the same thing and so many > different file structures? Even simple things like scrolling and > clicking are inconsistent within the same distribution, not to > mention across distributions. This is why I personally stick with as much KDE-based apps as possible. They typically _are_ consistent with each other. I think most GNOME and GTK+ apps are consistent among themselves as well, but I don't _like_ they way they work, so I only use a few that I need. (Gimp and, uh... nothing else comes to mind. Maybe the "Network" config. app.) > I have had windows plop themselves halfway off the screen for no > apparent reason, and had no way to recover other than to kill > processes. I'd love an example, if only to try to either help, or at least explain what was going on. (We all like puzzles.) Personally, I've found KDE's KWin is VERY flexible when it comes to window management. As amusing and attractive as Mac OS X, GNOME on Ubuntu and Windows Vista are, with their flying and bouncing and firey windows, at the end of the day I really need something practical, and KWin is it... it lets me do a lot without using the damned trackpad/mouse. > The learning curve for each distro seems annoying and unnecessary to > me. Again, I am a newbie, but how many newbies are going to go > through this until they find a distribution they like? There are no doubt many magazine reviews, YouTube videos, etc. about the various aspects of Linux, and there are lists like this where you can get everyone (and their Yellow Puppy Dog)'s opinion. I'm sure many computer newbies have the same issue with "Windows vs. Mac." And man, XP vs Vista, even. Yikes. > Is there any effort to make the interfaces uniform across > distributions, Yes. > or do developers reserve the right to fabricate > totally new gadgets and icons every time just because they can? Yes as well. Everything in Tux Paint's GUI was built from the ground up, for example. Maddening for me, as the core developer, to maintain. But I provided exactly what I wanted to, for my audience. Of course, 6 years later I now find it lacking in many ways. (Buttons are always 48x48 pixels. Space for text labels is very limited. Can't easily swap the direction of the UI for, say, Hebrew users. Accessibility options that come 'free' under higher-level widget UIs are not there at all.) However, because of my audience, it's more important that I provide what I did, when I did, rather than use something off-the-shelf like GTK or Qt, which would not be as easy for a 3 year old to pick up, I don't think. > Yeah, I like having different brands of toothpaste too, but that's > because they all come in similar boxes, and it's pretty easy to get > the caps off the tubes. It's just a matter of how people want to > spend their time I guess. It's true. But if you compare what you get now to what you got 10 years ago out of Linux, we've already come an amazingly long way. So it is getting better. You're not quite riding a 'bleeding edge' any more, but the edge is probably still a bit rough. (Hrm, ouch. :) ) One thing I've found interesting is that the UI environment under a Windows XP platform is _way_ more inconsistent than the typical KDE env. I've grown accustom to. Back when I ran XP on my work laptop at my last job, I noticed major inconsistencies between numerous tools I used on a regular basis. MS Office MS Visual Studio Yahoo! Instant Messenger Windows Media Player They all looked and felt way different from anythign else on my system. (Different look-and-feel for things like: window titlebars, scroll bars, pulldown menus.) I found it bizarre. "Uh, don't they have, like, a Windows API to handle all this?" Apparently the folks working on Office had their own ideas. As did the people working on Visual Studio. Yahoo! IM's scrollbar would magically turn into the normal, clunky, ugly Windows-style as I scrolled it, and then magically switched back to a fancy looking bar when I let go of it. Media Player (much like Apple's Quicktime) felt _totally_ alien. I've seen screenshots of MS Office on Vista. It's gotten even worse. :^P Anyway... man, I can ramble. -- -bill! "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS X / Linux! Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ From jim at well.com Thu Jul 31 19:42:42 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:42:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug meets sunday, august 3, at 11 AM at the javacat Message-ID: <1217558562.10905.500.camel@ubuntu> SF-LUG meets this sunday, august 3, from 11 AM to 1 PM or so at the javacat cafe on geary at 20th in san francisco. From afife at untangle.com Fri Aug 1 14:19:43 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Installfest for Schools (Next Week) Message-ID: <011b01c8f41c$515fe5c0$f41fb140$@com> Hi Folks: This is a quick reminder that the Installfest for Schools in taking place on the expo floor at LinuxWorld next week (Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday). We've got an ambitious goal of refurbishing 1,000 older/discarded computers with GNU/Linux for schools and we need all the help we can get. Here's how you can lend a hand: 1)Help install GNU/Linux (Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu or gNewSense) 2)Help breakdown bad computers to identify reusable parts 3)Donate your old computer[1] -- ACCRC will have a collection booth and can provide tax deductable receipts 4)Know a school that needs computers and is willing to try GNU/Linux desktops? Please tell us here: http://www.untangle.com/index.php?option=com_collect&task=installfestNomin ate&Itemid=1426 Also, I'm pleased to announce a little help from our friends... Mozilla and Canonical/Ubuntu are donating schwag for installfest volunteers. Creative commons has packaged CC licensed and Ogg formatted multi-media content that will be placed on each system. And No Starch Press has made another extremely cool donation of a PDF copy of "Ubuntu for non-Geeks" for EVERY computer... What a great resource for newbies! Why the installfest is cool: 1)Digital Divide: Helps get computers to children/schools in need 2)F/OSS Outreach: Helps expose new users to Free & Open Source Software 3)Environment: Helps divert thousands of pounds of toxic electronic waste from the landfill 4)Community: Is a great cause to bring the community together around Lastly, don't forget to register for the LinuxWorld Expo. The passes are free if you register in advance, but $50 onsite. Register here: https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/lnsf2008/ga/index2.html Learn more about the installfest here: http://www.untangle.com/installfest Thanks so much for your help! -Andrew References & Notes: [1]PIII and newer systems will be refurbished with Ubuntu for schools. Older systems will be recycled properly by the ACCRC. Here is a writeup of the first event: http://lwn.net/Articles/273770/ and here are some pictures: http://www.untangle.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=355&Item id=139 -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080801/9d6f17d8/attachment.htm From afife at untangle.com Fri Aug 1 14:36:43 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: [FSF] FSF Pizza Party in San Fran on Aug. 5th!] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <022901c8f41e$b1551ac0$13ff5040$@com> phillip tribble wrote: > Is there any discounts? $120 to register is kind of expensive In case it wasn't clear from the other responses, its really isn't $120 to get into the pizza party. Rather, it's a pizza party for FSF Members and membership costs $120 per year. It probably isn't worth paying $120 for the pizza party, but if you're considering joining the FSF anyway this is an opportunity to get an extra bonus. -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080801/4abf6986/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Fri Aug 1 15:52:39 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:52:39 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help the LUG booth at LinuxWorld Message-ID: <1217631159.10905.550.camel@ubuntu> If you're coming to LinuxWorld, let me know if you can spend a little time at the common LUG booth in the .Org pavilion (booth #14). Coverage is still a little too light, we can use help on all days, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Per Untangle's email re the installfest: Don't forget to register for the LinuxWorld Expo. The passes are free if you register in advance, but $50 onsite. Register here: https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/lnsf2008/ga/index2.html From bliss at california.com Fri Aug 1 17:24:26 2008 From: bliss at california.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:24:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help the LUG booth at LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <1217631159.10905.550.camel@ubuntu> References: <1217631159.10905.550.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <4893A93A.9060703@california.com> jim wrote: > > If you're coming to LinuxWorld, let me > know if you can spend a little time at > the common LUG booth in the .Org pavilion > (booth #14). Coverage is still a little > too light, we can use help on all days, > Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. > > > Per Untangle's email re the installfest: > > Don't forget to register for the LinuxWorld Expo. > The passes are free if you register in advance, > but $50 onsite. Register here: > > https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/lnsf2008/ga/index2.html > Just took care of registration and will be trying to come at least Tues and Thurs to provide break time for the guy stuck with the job. What time of day would be best for that? If you haven't gotten to the point of deciding that yet you can tell me at the meeting Sunday. later bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste. From sverma at sfsu.edu Fri Aug 1 18:42:17 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:42:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help the LUG booth at LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <4893A93A.9060703@california.com> References: <1217631159.10905.550.camel@ubuntu> <4893A93A.9060703@california.com> Message-ID: <4893BB79.1090603@sfsu.edu> Bobbie Sellers wrote: > jim wrote: > >> If you're coming to LinuxWorld, let me >> know if you can spend a little time at >> the common LUG booth in the .Org pavilion >> (booth #14). Coverage is still a little >> too light, we can use help on all days, >> Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. >> >> >> Per Untangle's email re the installfest: >> >> Don't forget to register for the LinuxWorld Expo. >> The passes are free if you register in advance, >> but $50 onsite. Register here: >> >> https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/lnsf2008/ga/index2.html >> >> > > Just took care of registration and will be trying to > come at least Tues and Thurs to provide break time for > the guy stuck with the job. > > What time of day would be best for that? > > If you haven't gotten to the point of deciding > that yet you can tell me at the meeting Sunday. > > > later > bliss at california dot com > > Hi Jim, Do you have a sign up list somewhere? Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From bliss at california.com Fri Aug 1 18:43:00 2008 From: bliss at california.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:43:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] WiiLi & Billix Message-ID: <4893BBA4.7050607@california.com> Reading the August 2008 Linux Journal and found WiiLi You guessed it. Linux for the Wii. More information at www.wiili.org. I know one guy who likes to try out Linux on game machines and the Wii is the best interface to a game that has been along so far imo. I think of getting the additional use from the game machine as a desktop or portable is great. Bought it for the headline about Billix replacing CDs "Kiss Install CDs Goodbye". This is the upgrade to the idea of the "Bootable Business Card CD". A set of tools including DSL with various net installs, Memtest86, Ntpwd, and DBAN a disk wiper utility. Put it on a very cheap 256 MB USB thumbdrive and you have an administrative tool kit. Larger drive can add functionality or you can store files on them as designed. Bill Childers is the man behind the compilation of tools and the author of the article. The article provides tips for trouble shooting the Billix you are trying to set up. Billix Project Page sourceforge.netprojects/billix later Bobbie aka bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste. From jim at well.com Fri Aug 1 23:25:44 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:25:44 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help the LUG booth at LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <4893A93A.9060703@california.com> References: <1217631159.10905.550.camel@ubuntu> <4893A93A.9060703@california.com> Message-ID: <1217658344.10905.610.camel@ubuntu> thanks lots, bobbie. i can't tell yet what coverage will be like. probably by the sunday meeting i'll have a better idea, a few more volunteers have responded. i'll try to sort things out. jim 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 17:24 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > jim wrote: > > > > If you're coming to LinuxWorld, let me > > know if you can spend a little time at > > the common LUG booth in the .Org pavilion > > (booth #14). Coverage is still a little > > too light, we can use help on all days, > > Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. > > > > > > Per Untangle's email re the installfest: > > > > Don't forget to register for the LinuxWorld Expo. > > The passes are free if you register in advance, > > but $50 onsite. Register here: > > > > https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/lnsf2008/ga/index2.html > > > > Just took care of registration and will be trying to > come at least Tues and Thurs to provide break time for > the guy stuck with the job. > > What time of day would be best for that? > > If you haven't gotten to the point of deciding > that yet you can tell me at the meeting Sunday. > > > later > bliss at california dot com > From jim at well.com Fri Aug 1 23:29:58 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:29:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help the LUG booth at LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <4893BB79.1090603@sfsu.edu> References: <1217631159.10905.550.camel@ubuntu> <4893A93A.9060703@california.com> <4893BB79.1090603@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <1217658598.10905.618.camel@ubuntu> i tho't we could use the sf-lug wiki until i saw that login is required. so no, i've got a dedicated mailbox. i'll sort through and see who's committed to what days and times and email all and sundry. jim On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 18:42 -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: > Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > jim wrote: > > > >> If you're coming to LinuxWorld, let me > >> know if you can spend a little time at > >> the common LUG booth in the .Org pavilion > >> (booth #14). Coverage is still a little > >> too light, we can use help on all days, > >> Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. > >> > >> > >> Per Untangle's email re the installfest: > >> > >> Don't forget to register for the LinuxWorld Expo. > >> The passes are free if you register in advance, > >> but $50 onsite. Register here: > >> > >> https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/lnsf2008/ga/index2.html > >> > >> > > > > Just took care of registration and will be trying to > > come at least Tues and Thurs to provide break time for > > the guy stuck with the job. > > > > What time of day would be best for that? > > > > If you haven't gotten to the point of deciding > > that yet you can tell me at the meeting Sunday. > > > > > > later > > bliss at california dot com > > > > > > Hi Jim, > Do you have a sign up list somewhere? > > Sameer > From wellmanron at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 02:56:49 2008 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 02:56:49 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Help the LUG booth at LinuxWorld Message-ID: <2a0eb8360808020256v352a8fa7wc6c91df052c322b3@mail.gmail.com> Jim, I'm committed to attend on thursday and will work the booth any length of time you need me, all day if it comes to that. ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080802/12a7f161/attachment.htm From a_kleider at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 23:17:48 2008 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] logwatch configuration Message-ID: <902336.45125.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I could use some help figuring out logwatch configuration! I'm expecting to be at the JavaCat in the am and perhaps the expertise needed will be there. I have two networks: kleico.net and kleider.ca On kleico.net I've had logwatch in operation for many months now and it's been functioning very well BUT on the Debian computer that is running logwatch on that network there is no /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf file! This is not a problem but it is something that I can't for the life of me understand. Its relevance has to do with the fact that I was turning to it to see how to configure my other network. On the second network (another home: kleider.ca) I've installed logwatch on an Ubuntu system but when I # logwatch the result is /var/cache/logwatch No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/logwatch line 753. There is a /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf file on that machine and I am worried that the problem may be the following line: mailer="sendmail -t" $ man sendmail gives me the man page to exim4 so I'm assuming that sendmail is symbolically linked to exim4. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm thinking that perhaps that line should be changed to mailer="mutt" since I am able to send emails out to the internet using mutt under the computer in question's current configuration. Looking forward to seeing fellow Linux enthusiasts at the JavaCat tomorrow and if any of you have suggestions, all the better. alex a_kleider at yahoo.com From jim at well.com Sun Aug 3 08:02:58 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:02:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] logwatch configuration In-Reply-To: <902336.45125.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <902336.45125.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1217775778.10905.738.camel@ubuntu> interesting problem. are your two networks available from the internet (so we can log in and poke around)? if not, can you make them so for the time period of the meeting? On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 23:17 -0700, Alex Kleider wrote: > I could use some help figuring out logwatch configuration! > I'm expecting to be at the JavaCat in the am and perhaps the expertise needed will be there. > I have two networks: kleico.net and kleider.ca > On kleico.net I've had logwatch in operation for many months now and it's been functioning very well BUT on the Debian computer that is running logwatch on that network there is no /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf file! This is not a problem but it is something that I can't for the life of me understand. Its relevance has to do with the fact that I was turning to it to see how to configure my other network. > > On the second network (another home: kleider.ca) I've installed logwatch on an Ubuntu system but when I > # logwatch > the result is > /var/cache/logwatch No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/logwatch line 753. > There is a /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf file on that machine and I am worried that the problem may be the following line: > mailer="sendmail -t" > $ man sendmail > gives me the man page to exim4 so I'm assuming that sendmail is symbolically linked to exim4. > Does anyone have any suggestions? > I'm thinking that perhaps that line should be changed to > mailer="mutt" > since I am able to send emails out to the internet using mutt under the computer in question's current configuration. > Looking forward to seeing fellow Linux enthusiasts at the JavaCat tomorrow and if any of you have suggestions, all the better. > > alex > > > > > > a_kleider at yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From a_kleider at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 08:59:52 2008 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] logwatch configuration In-Reply-To: <1217775778.10905.738.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <467395.32296.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> yes they are and that's exactly what I was thinking look forward to seeing "y'all!" --- On Sun, 8/3/08, jim wrote: > From: jim > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] logwatch configuration > To: a_kleider at yahoo.com > Cc: "Linux userGroup" > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 8:02 AM > interesting problem. > are your two networks available from the > internet (so we can log in and poke around)? > if not, can you make them so for the time > period of the meeting? > > > On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 23:17 -0700, Alex Kleider wrote: > > I could use some help figuring out logwatch > configuration! > > I'm expecting to be at the JavaCat in the am and > perhaps the expertise needed will be there. > > I have two networks: kleico.net and kleider.ca > > On kleico.net I've had logwatch in operation for > many months now and it's been functioning very well BUT > on the Debian computer that is running logwatch on that > network there is no /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf file! > This is not a problem but it is something that I can't > for the life of me understand. Its relevance has to do with > the fact that I was turning to it to see how to configure > my other network. > > > > On the second network (another home: kleider.ca) > I've installed logwatch on an Ubuntu system but when I > > # logwatch > > the result is > > /var/cache/logwatch No such file or directory at > /usr/sbin/logwatch line 753. > > There is a /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf file on > that machine and I am worried that the problem may be the > following line: > > mailer="sendmail -t" > > $ man sendmail > > gives me the man page to exim4 so I'm assuming > that sendmail is symbolically linked to exim4. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > I'm thinking that perhaps that line should be > changed to > > mailer="mutt" > > since I am able to send emails out to the internet > using mutt under the computer in question's current > configuration. > > Looking forward to seeing fellow Linux enthusiasts at > the JavaCat tomorrow and if any of you have suggestions, all > the better. > > > > alex > > > > > > > > > > > > a_kleider at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > From a_kleider at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 13:17:07 2008 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] logwatch configuration In-Reply-To: <467395.32296.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <940414.2384.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With some coaching from Jim at the JavaCat, I've got logwatch running on the machine at my other network. It turns out that a file called logwatch.conf is in each of the following directories on the computer that has been running successfully for a long time. /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf /usr/share/logwatch/dist.conf/logwatch.conf Which one logwatch is using, I'm not sure, and how it knows where to look for its config file I also have no idea. So although there are still a few loose ends in terms of my understanding of the issues, I have accomplished my goal of getting logwatch running on my other site. alex a_kleider at yahoo.com --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Alex Kleider wrote: > From: Alex Kleider > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] logwatch configuration > To: "Linux userGroup" > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 8:59 AM > yes they are and that's exactly what I was thinking > look forward to seeing "y'all!" > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, jim wrote: > > > From: jim > > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] logwatch configuration > > To: a_kleider at yahoo.com > > Cc: "Linux userGroup" > > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 8:02 AM > > interesting problem. > > are your two networks available from the > > internet (so we can log in and poke around)? > > if not, can you make them so for the time > > period of the meeting? > > > > > > On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 23:17 -0700, Alex Kleider wrote: > > > I could use some help figuring out logwatch > > configuration! > > > I'm expecting to be at the JavaCat in the am > and > > perhaps the expertise needed will be there. > > > I have two networks: kleico.net and kleider.ca > > > On kleico.net I've had logwatch in operation > for > > many months now and it's been functioning very > well BUT > > on the Debian computer that is running logwatch on > that > > network there is no /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf > file! > > This is not a problem but it is something that I > can't > > for the life of me understand. Its relevance has to do > with > > the fact that I was turning to it to see how to > configure > > my other network. > > > > > > On the second network (another home: kleider.ca) > > I've installed logwatch on an Ubuntu system but > when I > > > # logwatch > > > the result is > > > /var/cache/logwatch No such file or directory at > > /usr/sbin/logwatch line 753. > > > There is a /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf file > on > > that machine and I am worried that the problem may be > the > > following line: > > > mailer="sendmail -t" > > > $ man sendmail > > > gives me the man page to exim4 so I'm > assuming > > that sendmail is symbolically linked to exim4. > > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > I'm thinking that perhaps that line should be > > changed to > > > mailer="mutt" > > > since I am able to send emails out to the > internet > > using mutt under the computer in question's > current > > configuration. > > > Looking forward to seeing fellow Linux > enthusiasts at > > the JavaCat tomorrow and if any of you have > suggestions, all > > the better. > > > > > > alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a_kleider at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sf-lug mailing list > > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From bliss at california.com Sun Aug 3 15:31:31 2008 From: bliss at california.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:31:31 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Is the Farallon EtherMac PC Card GNU/Linux compatible? Message-ID: <489631C3.3010803@california.com> I have been trying to set this PNP595a up on my Dell Inspiron 4000 dual-boot laptop for some time and have done numerous searches thru Google trying to determine whether or not it can be made to work. If someone supplies a determination either way it will be useful but if it is compatible then which chip set driver can I use with it? Thanks for your attention. This was originally posted to comp.os.linux.hardware but I decided to take advantage of the wide range of expertise in the linux mafia. ;^) later bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers -(Back to Angband)Team *AMIGA & SF-LUG* Ningen banji Human beings do Samazama no Every single kind Baka a suru Of stupid thing --- 117th edition of Haifu Yanagidaru published in 1832 From jturner at nonzerosums.org Mon Aug 4 12:01:05 2008 From: jturner at nonzerosums.org (Jason Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:01:05 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Is the Farallon EtherMac PC Card GNU/Linux compatible? In-Reply-To: <489631C3.3010803@california.com> References: <489631C3.3010803@california.com> Message-ID: <489751F1.9000109@nonzerosums.org> Bobbie Sellers wrote: > I have been trying to set this PNP595a up on my Dell Inspiron 4000 > dual-boot laptop for some time and have done numerous searches thru > Google trying to determine whether or not it can be made to work. > > If someone supplies a determination either way it will be useful > but if it is compatible then which chip set driver can I use with it? > Zero personal experience with Farallon hardware on Linux, but http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS has this on its supported list -- asterisk emphasis is my own, Ethernet cards: [3c589_cs driver] [x86,ppc] 3Com 3c589, 3c589B, 3c589C, 3c589D 3Com Megahertz 3CXE589D, 3CXE589EC, 3CCE589ET, 3CCE589EC * Farallon EtherWave, EtherMac * Hitachi HT-4840-13 [...] So, if you haven't already, you might try the 3c589_cs driver. Backing up just a bit, I suspect that there might be interesting data in your logs around hardware detection/setup. You might want to share pertinent sections of "lspci" and "dmesg" with the list. Perhaps someone else has direct experience with any twists/turns in the use of that driver( a search reveals some issues people had with it two years ago...). Good luck Bobbie. -- jt From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Mon Aug 4 16:41:28 2008 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 4 Aug 2008 19:41:28 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] Is the Farallon EtherMac PC Card GNU/Linux compatible? Message-ID: <28633831.1217893300389.JavaMail.cfservice@webserverb1> Have you tried ndiswrapper??? I believe it makes a windows driver work on Linux. (in the simplest of descriptions) I used it once on puppy for a troublesome wireless card and it works great. Blake Haggerty Permanent Placement Specialist Work: 415-788-8488 x6062 Fax: 415-788-2592 Email: blake.haggerty at sapphire.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/blakehaggerty Sapphire Technologies See who we know in common -----Original Message----- From:Bobbie Sellers bliss at california.com To: "SF-LUG, Etc" ; Sent: Aug 3, 2008 03:34:51 PM Subject: [sf-lug] Is the Farallon EtherMac PC Card GNU/Linux compatible? I have been trying to set this PNP595a up on my Dell Inspiron 4000 dual-boot laptop for some time and have done numerous searches thru Google trying to determine whether or not it can be made to work. If someone supplies a determination either way it will be useful but if it is compatible then which chip set driver can I use with it? Thanks for your attention. This was originally posted to comp.os.linux.hardware but I decided to take advantage of the wide range of expertise in the linux mafia. ;^) later bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers -(Back to Angband)Team *AMIGA & SF-LUG* Ningen banji Human beings do Samazama no Every single kind Baka a suru Of stupid thing --- 117th edition of Haifu Yanagidaru published in 1832 _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080804/9829dd9a/attachment.htm From bliss at california.com Mon Aug 4 21:18:34 2008 From: bliss at california.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:18:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Is the Farallon EtherMac PC Card GNU/Linux compatible? In-Reply-To: <28633831.1217893300389.JavaMail.cfservice@webserverb1> References: <28633831.1217893300389.JavaMail.cfservice@webserverb1> Message-ID: <4897D49A.2030600@california.com> Blake Haggerty wrote: > Have you tried ndiswrapper??? > > I believe it makes a windows driver work on Linux. (in the simplest > of descriptions) I used it once on puppy for a troublesome wireless card > and it works great. Thanks for your attention and interest but using Jason Turner's suggestion I was able to get the card working. Not really usefully yet but that will be a matter of time. > *Blake Haggerty* > Permanent Placement Specialist > *Work:* 415-788-8488 x6062 > *Fax:* 415-788-2592 > *Email:* blake.haggerty at sapphire.com > *http://www.linkedin.com/in/blakehaggerty* > *Sapphire Technologies* > > > See who we know in common > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:*Bobbie Sellers bliss at california.com > *To:* "SF-LUG, Etc" ; > *Sent:* Aug 3, 2008 03:34:51 PM > *Subject:* [sf-lug] Is the Farallon EtherMac PC Card GNU/Linux compatible? > > I have been trying to set this PNP595a up on my Dell Inspiron 4000 > dual-boot laptop for some time and have done numerous searches thru > Google trying to determine whether or not it can be made to work. > > If someone supplies a determination either way it will be useful > but if it is compatible then which chip set driver can I use with it? > > Thanks for your attention. > > This was originally posted to comp.os.linux.hardware > but I decided to take advantage of the wide range of > expertise in the linux mafia. ;^) > And Jason won the information race and I thanked him in another e-mail. I don't want to embarrass him with my effusions here. I managed to use the Farallon card to reach the Netgear Router and as soon as I decipher the terminology of the Provider and the result of information commands on the Dell Dimension 2400 I hope to configure the router so that I can get the various machines into a LAN and move some data from the ancient Amiga to the later systems for backup while I use the dsl to get mail and other stuff from the net. Thanks again Blake. later bobbie aka bliss(cocoa-powered koo-koo)at california dot com -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste. From asheesh at asheesh.org Mon Aug 4 21:36:12 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:36:12 -0300 (ART) Subject: [sf-lug] request for MBR instructions In-Reply-To: <1217222548.10905.283.camel@ubuntu> References: <1217222548.10905.283.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, jim wrote: > > I have a laptop running Ubuntu 8.04.1. It has an SD > card reader. I have a 4GB SD card. I want to make my > SD card bootable. I'm failing. Can anyone provide > the steps i should use to make my 4 GB SD card > bootable and then put on a small (e.g. puppy) linux > distro? The easy answer involves using SYSLINUX. I'm in Argentina for the next couple of weeks, so hopefully you can figure out the rest. I'll be back on August 17; let me know then if you still need a hand.... -- Asheesh. -- Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggie" until you can find a rock. -- Wynn Catlin From asheesh at asheesh.org Mon Aug 4 21:42:03 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:42:03 -0300 (ART) Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Hater's Blog In-Reply-To: <1217370621.10905.342.camel@ubuntu> References: <488F7BE3.3060807@sfsu.edu> <4b5781040807291423r71e7d714i3ac938a29497317c@mail.gmail.com> <1217370621.10905.342.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, jim wrote: > anybody know the latest on the LinuxBIOS > project? LinuxBIOS is alive and well. It's now called coreboot . A friend tells me that it's popular with bankers who want to be sure to be in control of their computers. (Yes, that's hearsay.) -- Asheesh. -- Only a fool has no doubts. From asheesh at asheesh.org Mon Aug 4 21:44:08 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:44:08 -0300 (ART) Subject: [sf-lug] OpenMoko In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0807290743q74636e40mca3f5a0aea072a72@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0807290743q74636e40mca3f5a0aea072a72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, phillip tribble wrote: > Hello, > > I just paid for my Free Runner phone online today. I was wondering if anyone > else has it and their thought/reviews of the device. I have T-Mobile so I > hpoe it works =( My FreeRunner works great with T-Mobile. You can try the stable but boring Qtopia distribution. I'll say more after I'm back in the States on August 17, unless I get some time to play with my FreeRunner while at Debconf next week! -- Asheesh. -- I'm still waiting for the advent of the computer science groupie. From jim at well.com Mon Aug 4 21:57:37 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:57:37 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] request for MBR instructions In-Reply-To: References: <1217222548.10905.283.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <1217912257.10905.792.camel@ubuntu> thanks, lots, asheesh! i'll check it out and report. On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 01:36 -0300, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008, jim wrote: > > > > > I have a laptop running Ubuntu 8.04.1. It has an SD > > card reader. I have a 4GB SD card. I want to make my > > SD card bootable. I'm failing. Can anyone provide > > the steps i should use to make my 4 GB SD card > > bootable and then put on a small (e.g. puppy) linux > > distro? > > The easy answer involves using SYSLINUX. I'm in Argentina for the next > couple of weeks, so hopefully you can figure out the rest. I'll be back > on August 17; let me know then if you still need a hand.... > > -- Asheesh. > From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 12:20:30 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:20:30 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] any clonzilla users? Message-ID: Hey, does anyone else here have experience with Clonezilla? I'm supposed to be helping with a talk tomorrow at LinuxWorld, but I am now fearing I cannot make it and looking for someone to cover my 10-minute slot. If you have clonezilla experience and would like to fill in, please email me off list. The slot is tomorrow 8/6/2008 at 6PM. I can send you the details off-list. Email me privately. Regards :-) My talk at the Ubuntu conference last year on Clonezilla: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1037666355089325851 All the developers are from Taiwan and coming into town to visit. They are just looking for someone else to share their clonezilla experience for about 10 minutes. Below is a video of the project that clonezilla helped me to build when I worked at Cisco... http://video.vmware.com/kickapps/_Virtual-Insanity/video/72491/5054.html?b= -- Kristian Erik Hermansen --- PUSH EBP, 0x55 From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 12:39:10 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:39:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> Irony: The Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. I just think that was weird. -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080805/3cf37d62/attachment.htm From dennisharrison at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 12:47:15 2008 From: dennisharrison at gmail.com (Dennis J Harrison Jr) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:47:15 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e8b29e0808051247r14c3185dm93af76a6c3aca3a0@mail.gmail.com> WTF? 2008/8/5 phillip tribble > Irony: The Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. I just think > that was weird. > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080805/db015db9/attachment.htm From jim at jimcortez.com Tue Aug 5 12:50:12 2008 From: jim at jimcortez.com (Jim Cortez) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:50:12 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4898AEF4.9050307@jimcortez.com> Another story with LinuxWorld+Windows. Went last year and a buddy of mine went up to the registration machines. Not only were the registration laptops running Windows XP, but right in the middle of the process, it gave him a blue screen of death! It was quite funny at the time. Jim phillip tribble wrote: > Irony: The Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. I just > think that was weird. > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080805/37b10a27/attachment.htm From justizin at vongogo.org Tue Aug 5 13:00:22 2008 From: justizin at vongogo.org (Justin Ryan) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:00:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77be04730808051300k5b5657cfxc5f99b8e3919e855@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/5 phillip tribble : > Irony: The Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. I just think > that was weird. > How can you tell? My nmap -O says it can't determine OS.. Am I behind on the times? Should I be reading a website I don't, or using a tool I don't? :) -- snip -- Starting Nmap 4.53 ( http://insecure.org ) at 2008-08-05 19:49 UTC Interesting ports on www.greenxchangexpo.net (63.211.161.7): Not shown: 1713 closed ports PORT STATE SERVICE 80/tcp open http No OS matches for host OS detection performed. Please report any incorrect results at http://insecure.org/nmap/submit/ . Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 5.396 seconds -- snip -- -- Justin Alan Ryan Independent Interaction Architect http://www.bitmonk.net/ * : +1-415-226-1199 x2600 "All because of a bunch of stuff that happened.." -Homer Simpson "The best way to get in touch with me is PayPal. -Alexander Limi From penguin at techbandit.com Tue Aug 5 13:05:27 2008 From: penguin at techbandit.com (Romel Jacinto) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:05:27 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. In-Reply-To: <77be04730808051300k5b5657cfxc5f99b8e3919e855@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730808051300k5b5657cfxc5f99b8e3919e855@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Justin Ryan wrote: > 2008/8/5 phillip tribble : >> Irony: The Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. I just think >> that was weird. >> > > How can you tell? My nmap -O says it can't determine OS.. > ...snip... http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.linuxworldexpo.com -- Romel From wellmanron at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 13:21:54 2008 From: wellmanron at gmail.com (ron wellman) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:21:54 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] LinuxWorld Message-ID: <2a0eb8360808051321p529ef1b3r17c6cc67736ae68a@mail.gmail.com> wondering what volunteers at the LUG table are doing this year... chatting with visitors, handing out disks, etc? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080805/08cd6514/attachment.htm From jgarvin at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 13:30:54 2008 From: jgarvin at gmail.com (John Garvin) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:30:54 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. In-Reply-To: <77be04730808051300k5b5657cfxc5f99b8e3919e855@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730808051300k5b5657cfxc5f99b8e3919e855@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <94aa8cde0808051330lb29b6e3ue7ad7af1d7619301@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Justin Ryan wrote: > 2008/8/5 phillip tribble : >> Irony: The Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. I just think >> that was weird. >> > > How can you tell? My nmap -O says it can't determine OS.. > > Am I behind on the times? Should I be reading a website I don't, or > using a tool I don't? :) > telnet www.linuxmafia.com 80 GET / HTTP/1.0 response: HTTP/1.1 302 Object moved Connection: close Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:28:42 GMT Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 X-Powered-By: ASP.NET Location: http://www.idgworldexpo.com Content-Length: 148 Content-Type: text/html Set-Cookie: ASPSESSIONIDCCQAATQS=PCEHBIKANDOBKLEGCHJEGJDK; path=/ Cache-control: private Object moved

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This object may be found here. Connection to host lost. -- jpg From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Aug 5 13:40:58 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:40:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080805204057.GR10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting phillip tribble (phillip.tribble at gmail.com): > Irony: The Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. I just think > that was weird. Same old. That's good ol' IDG corporate IT for you. From justizin at vongogo.org Tue Aug 5 14:24:01 2008 From: justizin at vongogo.org (Justin Ryan) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:24:01 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. In-Reply-To: References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730808051300k5b5657cfxc5f99b8e3919e855@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77be04730808051424v1a56d5fch98c652fc3ed3ac11@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Romel Jacinto wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Justin Ryan wrote: > >> 2008/8/5 phillip tribble : >>> Irony: The Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. I just think >>> that was weird. >>> >> >> How can you tell? My nmap -O says it can't determine OS.. >> > ...snip... > > > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.linuxworldexpo.com > ah-ho.. :) -- Justin Alan Ryan Independent Interaction Architect http://www.bitmonk.net/ * : +1-415-226-1199 x2600 "All because of a bunch of stuff that happened.." -Homer Simpson "The best way to get in touch with me is PayPal. -Alexander Limi From nbs at sonic.net Tue Aug 5 15:05:30 2008 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:05:30 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. In-Reply-To: <77be04730808051300k5b5657cfxc5f99b8e3919e855@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730808051300k5b5657cfxc5f99b8e3919e855@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080805220530.GD13474@sonic.net> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0700, Justin Ryan wrote: > > How can you tell? My nmap -O says it can't determine OS.. This worked :) http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/roror [ random gibberish ] Responded with: Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80004005' [DBNETLIB][ConnectionOpen (Connect()).]SQL Server does not exist or access denied. /include/include.asp, line 317 Of course, perhaps it's running virtually, under a Linux box? :D -bill! From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 15:11:42 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:11:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. In-Reply-To: <20080805220530.GD13474@sonic.net> References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730808051300k5b5657cfxc5f99b8e3919e855@mail.gmail.com> <20080805220530.GD13474@sonic.net> Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808051511r4aae96c2h281801d205129f60@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:22PM -0700, Justin Ryan wrote: > > > > How can you tell? My nmap -O says it can't determine OS.. > > This worked :) > > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/roror [ random gibberish ] > > Responded with: > > Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80004005' > > [DBNETLIB][ConnectionOpen (Connect()).]SQL Server does not exist or > access denied. > > /include/include.asp, line 317 > > > Of course, perhaps it's running virtually, under a Linux box? :D > > -bill! > > Na, it is still a Microsoft world. Atleast in my home, Microsoft is non-existant. -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4898AEF4.9050307@jimcortez.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051239n303ad910qf03f42fee892f37a@mail.gmail.com> <4898AEF4.9050307@jimcortez.com> Message-ID: <20080805220358.GC13474@sonic.net> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 12:50:12PM -0700, Jim Cortez wrote: > Another story with LinuxWorld+Windows. Went last year and a buddy of mine > went up to the registration machines. Not only were the registration > laptops running Windows XP, but right in the middle of the process, it > gave him a blue screen of death! It was quite funny at the time. "And this, my friends, is why we [Linux geeks] are here." :) -bill! From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 15:25:38 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:25:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Great News: IBM, Novell join forces Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808051525y4d9afe2ai51f86bac629c37bb@mail.gmail.com> "During a press briefing at LinuxWorld today in San Francisco, IBM announced a new partnership with Red Hat, Novell, and Canonical to offer "Microsoft-free" personal computers with IBM's Lotus Notes and Lotus Symphony software. The goal is to provide a preintegrated stack that can serve as a complete alternative to Windows and Microsoft Office. " http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/08/05/ibm-targets-microsoft-with-desktop-linux-initiative -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080805/0497a8fd/attachment.htm From nbs at sonic.net Tue Aug 5 15:03:13 2008 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:03:13 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Some LUGOD flyers for the LUG booth (Was Re: LinuxWorld) In-Reply-To: <2a0eb8360808051321p529ef1b3r17c6cc67736ae68a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a0eb8360808051321p529ef1b3r17c6cc67736ae68a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080805220313.GB13474@sonic.net> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:21:54PM -0700, ron wellman wrote: > wondering what volunteers at the LUG table are doing this year... chatting > with visitors, handing out disks, etc? Oh hey, if the LUG booth people would be so kind, there are some flyers for some upcoming LUGOD meetings out here in Davis! http://www.lugod.org/documents/flyers/lugod_code_swarm_200810.pdf and: http://www.lugod.org/documents/flyers/lugod_zareason_200811.pdf And I should make some for this and next months' talks. :^/ -- -bill! "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS X / Linux! Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ From nbs at sonic.net Tue Aug 5 16:39:53 2008 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:39:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Some LUGOD flyers for the LUG booth (Was Re: LinuxWorld) In-Reply-To: <20080805220313.GB13474@sonic.net> References: <2a0eb8360808051321p529ef1b3r17c6cc67736ae68a@mail.gmail.com> <20080805220313.GB13474@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20080805233953.GA29175@sonic.net> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 03:03:13PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > Oh hey, if the LUG booth people would be so kind, there are some flyers > for some upcoming LUGOD meetings out here in Davis! > > http://www.lugod.org/documents/flyers/lugod_code_swarm_200810.pdf > and: > http://www.lugod.org/documents/flyers/lugod_zareason_200811.pdf > > And I should make some for this and next months' talks. :^/ And here they are :) http://www.lugod.org/documents/flyers/lugod_siafoo_200808.pdf and: http://www.lugod.org/documents/flyers/lugod_libcrtxy_200809.pdf Thanks in advance! -- -bill! "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS X / Linux! Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ From bliss at california.com Tue Aug 5 16:46:49 2008 From: bliss at california.com (Bobbie Sellers) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:46:49 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <2a0eb8360808051321p529ef1b3r17c6cc67736ae68a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a0eb8360808051321p529ef1b3r17c6cc67736ae68a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4898E669.8010305@california.com> ron wellman wrote: > wondering what volunteers at the LUG table are doing this year... > chatting with visitors, handing out disks, etc? > Pretty much so. No disks of our own to hand out but the Fedora table is down the way and the PC-BSD is across the way. One man from Pennsylvania came by hoping to make contacts with speakers for his group in Buxmont. Otherwise we told people about the meeting schedules and handed out calendars. Then I got up and looked at the Installfest and a few other things. About 3:45PM I got up and came home via the 27 bus. I had walked down as I had just missed that bus and any other useful ones this morning. Had a good time with the users who stopped to chat. later Bobbie aka bliss at california dot com -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed, the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning. It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion." --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste. From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Aug 5 17:10:51 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:10:51 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Great News: IBM, Novell join forces In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808051525y4d9afe2ai51f86bac629c37bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051525y4d9afe2ai51f86bac629c37bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080806001050.GT10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting phillip tribble (phillip.tribble at gmail.com): > "During a press briefing at LinuxWorld today in San Francisco, IBM announced > a new partnership with Red Hat, Novell, and Canonical to offer > "Microsoft-free" personal computers with IBM's Lotus Notes and Lotus > Symphony software. (Disclaimer: I've never used Lotus Notes, and haven't seen Symphony since DOS days.) As late as 2002, I used to hear a lot about Lotus Notes and the IBM Domino servers that go with them. Managers seemed to like it as a do-it-all "collaborative application platform". Technical users and sysadmins seemed to uniformly hate it with a searing passion. I've seldom seen anything like that -- and am sure I've heard nothing about it for half a decade -- until now. Symphony, on the other hand, has been not just obscure but actually dead, around the end of the '80s,/ early '90s. What's now being called [IBM] Lotus Symphony is a completely new and unrelated product having nothing to do with the historical product -- and originated as IBM Workplace (2002-2006). It seems to be a Java thing. From sverma at sfsu.edu Tue Aug 5 17:27:10 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:27:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Great News: IBM, Novell join forces In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808051525y4d9afe2ai51f86bac629c37bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808051525y4d9afe2ai51f86bac629c37bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4898EFDE.1020009@sfsu.edu> phillip tribble wrote: > "During a press briefing at LinuxWorld today in San Francisco, IBM > announced a new partnership with Red Hat, Novell, and Canonical to > offer "Microsoft-free" personal computers with IBM's Lotus Notes and > Lotus Symphony software. The goal is to provide a preintegrated stack > that can serve as a complete alternative to Windows and Microsoft > Office. " > http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/08/05/ibm-targets-microsoft-with-desktop-linux-initiative > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > Something about a "frying pan and fire" come to mind... Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From usr.bin.sh at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 17:57:00 2008 From: usr.bin.sh at gmail.com (Usr Bin Sh) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:57:00 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] > 1. Re: Linux world expo website is running Windows 2003. Message-ID: <109760a70808051757u5de71e0bs3044dc2bd3e97024@mail.gmail.com> oops! GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: linuxworldexpo.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1 Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8 Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Cookie: ASPSESSIONIDCQTTBDRB=PFNENGGAPFHLOCJJHHDANPOJ HTTP/1.x 302 Object moved Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:55:04 GMT Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 X-Powered-By: ASP.NET Location: live/12/ Content-Type: text/html Cache-Control: private Content-Length: 129 Connection: Keep-Alive From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 19:05:25 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:05:25 -0600 Subject: [sf-lug] My open Moko as arrived Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808051905s3a19bc68n524bd66c12f4d304@mail.gmail.com> Its Cool! -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080805/b3993db6/attachment.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Aug 5 20:30:07 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:30:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Great News: IBM, Novell join forces In-Reply-To: <4898EFDE.1020009@sfsu.edu> References: <598ed5ff0808051525y4d9afe2ai51f86bac629c37bb@mail.gmail.com> <4898EFDE.1020009@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <20080806033006.GU10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu): > Something about a "frying pan and fire" come to mind... Indeed. If the only choices we're offered are the 1990s dead-end development platform from Hell (Lotus Notes) or some IBM-developed betaware Java office suite, I think I just might give up on computers and retreat to my dad's slide rule. Of course, the scary thing is, the "enterprise" market really _does_ take that sort of thing seriously -- along with Micrsoft Sharepoint and worse things. Anyhow, before assuming that a "partnership" announcement has any substance to it, one needs to see what resources -- especially money -- are going to get actually deployed. In this case, the substance is a series of essentially no-money distribution deals, most of it revolving around a vaguely defined brand called "Open Collaboration Client Solution (OCCS)", which you only _think_ is a specific piece of software, but you eventually find is an umbrella product-idea / marketing concept that can include one or more of: Lotus Notes, Lotus Sametime, IBM WebSphere Portal 6.0, IBM Lotus Quickr, IBM Lotus Connections, Lotus Expeditor (a proprietary superset of Eclipse Rich Client Platform), and the new Java thing, the newly named Lotus Symphony office suite (formerly IBM Workplace.) Some but not all of those codebases are free of charge; _none_ of them is open source. Nary a one. So, please take all the weasel-wording about "open computing" and "open standards" cum granum salis. Red Hat have agreed to offer various OCCS pieces, plus IBM Domino 8 server, bundled with RHEL in their enterprise sales channels. Canonical have agreed to offer OCCS and Notes stuff in Ubuntu packaging to their customers. Novell have made a similar marketing deal for SLED/SLES users. From jim at well.com Tue Aug 5 21:04:21 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:04:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <2a0eb8360808051321p529ef1b3r17c6cc67736ae68a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a0eb8360808051321p529ef1b3r17c6cc67736ae68a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1217995461.10905.804.camel@ubuntu> volunteers at the LUG table are chatting with visitors, handing out printouts, running around and seeing the show. those who came to mel's at 9 AM got a free breakfast. On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 13:21 -0700, ron wellman wrote: > wondering what volunteers at the LUG table are doing this year... > chatting with visitors, handing out disks, etc? > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From sverma at sfsu.edu Wed Aug 6 09:50:41 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:50:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] OLPC BoF Message-ID: <4899D661.60006@sfsu.edu> Sorry about the last minute notice, but if you are in SF at LinuxWorld, or in the neighborhood, come by tonight for a OLPC Birds-of-a-feather meeting. http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/539 Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 11:46:27 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:46:27 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Penguin Announces Free Trial for Scyld ClusterWare 4.2 Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808061146u16d84233v37942d896044c8bb@mail.gmail.com> "SAN FRANCISCO, Aug. 6 -- Penguin Computing today has announced that its latest release of its comprehensive high performance computing (HPC) cluster management solution, Scyld ClusterWare 4.2, is now available for immediate download and a free, 45-day trial. This is a fully functional version that can be run on as many nodes as the user desires. Making Scyld available as a free download for real-world evaluation is a first for Penguin Computing, initiated in direct response to market demand." http://www.hpcwire.com/offthewire/Penguin_Announces_Free_Trial_for_Scyld_ClusterWare_42.html -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080806/6eb30fdf/attachment.htm From chasbsf at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 18:01:08 2008 From: chasbsf at gmail.com (Charles B) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:01:08 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] UBANTU newbie needs help! Message-ID: <27037fef0808061801n2d5c9856s372c111261e03fc0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just signed up for this interesting list to learn more about Linux. In particular: I CANT LOG ON TO MY COMPUTER!! I installed UBANTU OS a while back and love it. Much more stable than my old Microsoft ME. OPEN OFFICE is much better than my old MS OFFICE 97. However...I can't log on using either of my 2 user name and password combos. I have tried every variation case sensitive, etc. I tried to reload UBANTU from disc ... but the disc wont open until I log in!!??!?!? Either I forgot that I changed user name or password, or something is f_ _ _ _ d up, besides me! Does anybody have any good ideas what I can do? Chas B. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080806/6e0b5de6/attachment.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Aug 6 18:17:46 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:17:46 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] UBANTU newbie needs help! In-Reply-To: <27037fef0808061801n2d5c9856s372c111261e03fc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <27037fef0808061801n2d5c9856s372c111261e03fc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080807011746.GH10437@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Charles B (chasbsf at gmail.com): > I CANT LOG ON TO MY COMPUTER!! http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Aug 6 18:19:46 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:19:46 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Ubuntu newbie needs help! In-Reply-To: <20080807011746.GH10437@linuxmafia.com> References: <27037fef0808061801n2d5c9856s372c111261e03fc0@mail.gmail.com> <20080807011746.GH10437@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20080807011946.GA6422@linuxmafia.com> I wrote: > http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword ...found, by the way, by Web-searching for "forgot password" Ubuntu From sverma at sfsu.edu Sat Aug 9 08:56:58 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 08:56:58 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] OLPC-SF August meeting Message-ID: <5fb387c70808090856i363897acy584d316308c98f36@mail.gmail.com> August meeting will be on Saturday, 16 August 2008. See details at http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/541 Please forward to anyone who may be interested. Hope to see you there!!! cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From jim at well.com Sat Aug 9 16:20:51 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:20:51 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] IBM promotes MSFT-less linux desktop Message-ID: <1218324051.10905.891.camel@ubuntu> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8440296446.html the article claims that IBM is partnering with Canonicle, Red Hat, and Novell to sell a linux- based desktop, which seems to be a platform for IBM's "Open Client Collaboration Solution", a wearying moniker for a product that features Lotus branded software. one interesting part is that, given some success, there will be a significant minority of the general office workforce that will be using some kind of Linux and will therefore be interested in having a similar Linux box at home. part of microsoft's efforts are aimed at making their operating system product appealing to big businesses that value digital rights management (DRM). Linux in its current form goes in the direction of openness for content, ala creative commons, ogg vorbis, etc. From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Sat Aug 9 20:42:47 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:42:47 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] making USB/SD/HD/MBR bootable (e.g. Debian) Message-ID: <1218339767.489e63b7a2487@webmail.rawbw.com> Here's example of how to make a bootable Debian USB stick to install Debian (or for diagnostic/repair purposes, etc.). It's about this simple (once one's found the information, anyway ... which isn't too hard - at least for Debian). Similar techniques can be used for other boot devices (e.g. hard drive, SD). One can use a bootable ISO image of one's choosing. In this example: I used the Debian "netinst" ISO. /dev/sdd is a USB flash stick (512 MiB or slightly larger) I created the image in a file, then wrote that file to flash. The block size picked when writing flash was used to write flash at least a bit more efficiently - similar likely applies to other media. The name used when saving the ISO image was explicitly set to be within 8.3 format for use on FAT(/vfat) filesystem. Also, in this example, the target device wasn't partitioned. This session data was captured when I created the actual USB stick image which was subsequently used to build the base system on the new SF-LUG(/BALUG) Silicon Mechanics system ("vicki")[1] For brevity, I've removed from the example below, the steps where I verified the images (cryptographic signatures and md5sums and the like), and the reporting of dd to stderr about data read/written. To make it a bit more readable, I also folded some lines a bit more, as if I'd actually entered them that way and caught the output that way. Some mail software bits might introduce some additional folding (e.g. on the long URLs). $ wget -q -O - \ > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images /hd-media/boot.img.gz | > gzip -d > usbstick.img $ mkdir mnt $ sudo mount -t vfat -o loop,uid=`id -u`,gid=`id -g` \ > `pwd -P`/usbstick.img `pwd -P`/mnt $ cd mnt $ wget -N -q --output-document netinst.iso \ > http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso $ cd .. $ sudo umount mnt $ sudo dd bs=1048576 if=usbstick.img of=/dev/sdd $ references/footnotes: Though oriented for Debian, lots of information on preparing bootable USB or similar device (e.g. hard drive, SD, etc.): http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en Chapter 4. Obtaining System Installation Media section 4.4.1. "Copying the files - the easy way" 4.0_r3 was most current Debian "stable" release at the time, 40r4a (or 4.0r4a) is presently the most current Debian "stable" release. 1. vicki - we quickly picked a name that would be a bit more memorable and perhaps have a bit more personality than something like lugbox or lugbox2. Not sure of the precise origins of the name - perhaps early Doctor Who companion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicki 8:04-8:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u5VzxmaP4Y http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2008q2/004787.html http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2008q3/005061.html From afife at untangle.com Mon Aug 11 10:42:09 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Chris Dibona @ BALUG (8/19) Message-ID: <009001c8fbd9$99db24d0$cd916e70$@com> Hi Folks: Chris Dibona will be speaking at BALUG next Tuesday (8/19). Chris DiBona is the open source programs manager at Mountain View, Ca. based Google, where his team oversees license compliance, promotes developer outreach, supports the open source community through programs such as the Google Summer of Code and oversees OSS releases on Google Code. (full bio below) So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP: RSVP at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they ensure that we're able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm August 19th, 2008 (Next Tuesday) Four Seas Restaurant 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy $5 PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13 Chris Dibona's full bio: Chris DiBona is the open source programs manager at Mountain View, Ca. based Google, where his team oversees license compliance, promotes developer outreach, supports the open source community through programs such as the Google Summer of Code and oversees OSS releases on Google Code. Mr. DiBona is an internationally known advocate of open source software and related methodologies. He occasionally appears on the This Week in Tech and Cranky Geeks podcasts. He is a visiting scholar at the MIT Sloan School of Management and has a masters in software engineering from Carnegie Mellon University. Additionally, he serves on the advisory board of imeem, a San Francisco, Ca. based social networking firm. Before joining Google, Mr. DiBona was an editor and author for the website Slashdot.org . Additionally, he coedited the award-winning essay compilations "Open Sources" and "Open Sources 2.0" and writes for several publications. He was the host of Floss Weekly with Leo Laporte and made a number of appearances on TechTV's "The Screensavers" His personal blog can be found at http://dibona.com and he can be reached via email via chris at dibona.com -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meeting Details... 6:30pm August 19th, 2008 (Next Tuesday) Four Seas Restaurant 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy $5 PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13 Chris Dibona's full bio: Chris DiBona is the open source programs manager at Mountain View, Ca. based Google, where his team oversees license compliance, promotes developer outreach, supports the open source community through programs such as the Google Summer of Code and oversees OSS releases on Google Code. Mr. DiBona is an internationally known advocate of open source software and related methodologies. He occasionally appears on the This Week in Tech and Cranky Geeks podcasts. He is a visiting scholar at the MIT Sloan School of Management and has a masters in software engineering from Carnegie Mellon University. Additionally, he serves on the advisory board of imeem, a San Francisco, Ca. based social networking firm. Before joining Google, Mr. DiBona was an editor and author for the website Slashdot.org . Additionally, he coedited the award-winning essay compilations "Open Sources" and "Open Sources 2.0" and writes for several publications. He was the host of Floss Weekly with Leo Laporte and made a number of appearances on TechTV's "The Screensavers" His personal blog can be found at http://dibona.com and he can be reached via email via chris at dibona.com -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Middlefield Road) Mountain View, CA 94043 Map: Directions: VCAFE is accessible from the semicircular courtyard between Symantec buildings Cost: Free More Info: In this talk you will learn the essentials of developing software with Maemo platform. You will be introduced to Maemo platform in technical terms and you will get to look into the development environment from different viewpoints. In addition to that you will learn how to use the platform components and how to deploy your work when it is polished. Tapio Tolvanen is currently a Technology Manager for Linux Computers in Nokia. He has also been defining architectures and guiding the development of several applications creating engaging and compelling Internet Experience on Nokia's Linux platform - Maemo. Prior to this, Tapio has been developing several applications and products on Nokia's platforms, including Series 40, S60 and Maemo in Europe, Asia and the U.S.A. Meetings are open to the public and are free of charge. ---- Upcoming ACCU talks ----- Wednesday, September 10, 2008 Bryan O'Sullivan "Haskell for the Real World" ---- The ACCU meets monthly. Meetings are always open to the public and are free of charge. To suggest topics and speakers please email Walter Vannini via walterv at gbbservices.com _______________________________________________ svlug mailing list svlug at lists.svlug.org http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/svlug From einfeldt at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 23:15:32 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:15:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] epic Windows failure during the Olympics Message-ID: <4b5781040808112315q59567156uf158ae07f3d43cd1@mail.gmail.com> BSOD under the big tent: http://tinyurl.com/6gwcy3 -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080811/82bb1981/attachment.htm From sverma at sfsu.edu Mon Aug 11 23:01:36 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:01:36 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Think Python... Message-ID: <48A12740.80400@sfsu.edu> Think Python An Introduction to Software Design Think Python is a free textbook available under the GNU Free Documentation License. Readers are free to copy and distribute the text; they are also free to modify it, which allows them to adapt the book to different needs, and to help develop new material. http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ Thanks to Jason Stone for the tip. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 08:50:48 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:50:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Big VMware Bug Message-ID: For those running VMware ESX/ESXi 3.5, there is a rather large bug affecting all servers. Check out the link below. There is also a small blurb on their support page. http://communities.vmware.com/thread/162377?tstart=0 As far as I know, it doesn't affect 3.0.x versions. -- Ernest de Leon http://www.smbtechadvice.com "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We've had our Ubuntu-based Linux lab for three years now. In fact, now that I think of it, we have had Linux machines in our labs for a while now. Before we had Ubuntu machines, we had RedHat, SuSE and even Lycoris at one point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycoris_(company))! Anyway, the significant problem with individual installs was in keeping the machines maintained. That's why we switched to LTSP with Edubuntu. That worked great, but some budget somewhere yielded to a complete lab upgrade, which resulted in core duos on each desktop (thank you, taxpayers!). while LTSP worked well in the thin client setup, having core duos with 2GB RAM sitting there doing the work of a PII with 64MB RAM was somehow not justifiable. How do we leverage the power of each of the 32 workstations? That's where the lowfat client came in. (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients) It works a lot better because the lowfat configuration allows for crunching on each workstation locally, while loading the server with networking, dhcp, nfs, ldap and backups etc. Latency-sensitive apps perform much better. USB media plugged into the workstation also behaves well because now it is actually working locally. Updating the image is a bit more work, but not that much of a hassle. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ > Em Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:27:31PM -0700, Sameer Verma escreveu: > >> FYI, slides from my LTSP talk at LinuxWorld are now up at >> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/543 >> >> Sameer >> >> -- >> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. >> Associate Professor of Information Systems >> San Francisco State University >> San Francisco CA 94132 USA >> http://verma.sfsu.edu/ >> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> From jim at well.com Tue Aug 12 16:26:56 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:26:56 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] ADDRESSES AND . . . In-Reply-To: <48A1BA7B.4030301@earthlink.net> References: <48A1BA7B.4030301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1218583616.10905.1111.camel@ubuntu> sure, you're welcome to ask. i don't have daniel's expertise, and there are others in the SF-LUG group with their own expertise areas. i hope you'll send your queries to the list so everyone can see them: your chances of getting useful info will be greater. send mail to sf-lug at linuxmafia.com that said, i'll be happy to try to field your questions. jim On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 09:29 -0700, Mikki McGee wrote: > Hi; > > Well, I am very pleased with the computer the way that Daniel set it > up. It seems to work with out the "quirks" that I'd gotten used to. He > used Ubuntu's tailoring features to smooth out the problems of the > machine. > > The address book was lost, so I had some fun with that. I suspect I > have been using the wrong address for querrying the group on a few > questions. Then I visited a 90 year old deaf woman, and found her Ubuntu > had been crippled badly, and tried to re-install it for her with an > on-line upgrade - and it got interesting. "May we live in interesting > times." This afternoon I will try to establish Thunderbird for her - > she has great difficulty reading small letters on the screen. > > I am planning to go to the Monday Meeting next week, and am > interested in some particular questions. Can I sound you on one or more > of them before then? > > Bless All > > > Mikki > From jim at well.com Tue Aug 12 17:14:07 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:14:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday August 14, 2008: Scons by Steven Knight Message-ID: <1218586447.10905.1148.camel@ubuntu> BayPIGgies meeting Thursday August 14, 2008: Scons by Steven Knight SCons is a next-generation software build tool (that is, a replacement for Make) written in Python, with build configuration written as a Python API. Since the SCons Project was founded in 2001, it's grown into a successful project with about 7000 downloads / month and an especially strong following among software developers and build engineers working on large-scale, enterprise-quality software projects, including production use at VMware, Intel, Oracle, id Software, and Google. This talk will give a summary of the history and growth of the SCons project and an overview of SCons configuration. It will also discuss some of the more interesting aspects of SCons as a Python-based project, including why (and how) SCons still runs on Python 1.5.2, its rather distinctive approach to stringent software testing, and some of its ad-hoc solutions to the problem of trying to ship a stand-alone application that happens to be written in Python (as opposed to the distutils-installed-module model of most Python software). The talk will also include some frank discussion of SCons' limitations and problem areas, and what you (yes, you!) can do to help. About the speaker: Steven Knight has been a software engineer, executive, and would-be entrepreneur for more than 25 years at companies such as Cray Research, The MathWorks, and more networking-related startups than he can unashamedly admit. He founded the SCons Project in 2001 after its design won the Software Carpentry build tool competition the previous year. He recently transplanted to the Bay Area to work on software build issues for Google. The meeting starts with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of an essential Python feature, specially for those new to Python. Tonight's Newbie Nugget is... The Google App Engine: Magic Cars versus Taxis A look at what the Google App Engine delivers and how it fits into the ecosystem; getting up and running; the process of writing an application, GQL code; and some analogies, presented by Charles Merriam. Location: Google Campus Building 40, the Seville room (check in at the lobby in bldg 43) bayPIGgies meeting information: http://baypiggies.net/new/plone * Please sign up in advance to have your google access badge ready: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings (no later than close of business on Wednesday.) Agenda ..... 7:30 PM ........................... General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any first-minute announcements. ..... 7:35 PM to 7:45 PM ................ Newbie Nugget Google App Engine by Charles Merriam ..... 7:45 PM to 8:45 PM ................ Scons by Steven Knight ..... 8:45 PM to 9:00 PM -- After The Talk ................ Mapping and Random Access Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcers are interested in. Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on the announcements and other topics of interest. ..... Thursday, September 11 ................ 7:30 PM BayPIGgies Tim Thompson on Bay Area Computer Music Technology presentation on Finger Painting with Planets From jim at well.com Tue Aug 12 17:31:07 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:31:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] New Linux Foundation Guide to Linux kernel development Message-ID: <1218587467.10905.1181.camel@ubuntu> Linux Foundation Guide: http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/book/1-what-this-document-is-about CNET news blurb: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10015184-16.html From toya at linefeed.org Tue Aug 12 18:13:05 2008 From: toya at linefeed.org (toya) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:13:05 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Slides from UbuCon @ LinuxWorld 2008 In-Reply-To: <48A1EEC8.8050209@sfsu.edu> References: <48A1E423.2070700@sfsu.edu> <20080812195828.GJ3976@linefeed.org> <48A1EEC8.8050209@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <20080813011305.GK3976@linefeed.org> Hi Sameer, Very interesting history. In Brazil I used to work for the Ministry of Communications who has a project called 'Gesac', where we found a simular solution for when you have nice machines as clients. Gesac is a digital inclusion project which creates free internet access for poor, remotes communities. It has over 3 thousand of this computer labs spread all over the country receiving satelite internet connection. It exist since 2003, besides access to the internet, we would also provide some services for free to the communities like, trainnings, video/audio stream, a wiki, a cms, hosting places for websites produced by them, voip, 24/7 technnical support via internet/phone. I worked as a consultant for the Ministry on building the services we provide and also within the communities giving trainnings and specially teaching them about hardware and the most important concepts of a Operation System, free software, specially about linux, about the many distributions, how is the system architeture and some internet related stuff. It was a really good project but it didn't had that much money and it was a battle to keep it going. we had to deal with machines running with 64MB memory, no HD..hehe mostly junk from the government basement (specially the bank of brazil) that was donated to the communities. Sometimes NGO?'s, companies or the municipal government would add some money or better equipment to help out the project. The federal government was mostly dedicating their budget to provide the internet connection and those services, but they would also give 1 good computer that would be the server for the thin client network (normally we would build a network with 20 machines). Anw, LTSP was a great solution for us till when the 'quality' of the donations started to grown:) and we start to receive better machines so we started to investigate for a better solution which at the time was XDMCP, where you run X in the thin clients - at this point our machines *did* had a hd! I took a quick look at the ubuntu solution you pointed out and remind me of XDMCP. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ bye toya > Hi Toya, > > We've been using LTSP for over one year now. We've had our Ubuntu-based > Linux lab for three years now. In fact, now that I think of it, we have > had Linux machines in our labs for a while now. Before we had Ubuntu > machines, we had RedHat, SuSE and even Lycoris at one point > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycoris_(company))! Anyway, the > significant problem with individual installs was in keeping the machines > maintained. That's why we switched to LTSP with Edubuntu. > > That worked great, but some budget somewhere yielded to a complete lab > upgrade, which resulted in core duos on each desktop (thank you, > taxpayers!). while LTSP worked well in the thin client setup, having > core duos with 2GB RAM sitting there doing the work of a PII with 64MB > RAM was somehow not justifiable. How do we leverage the power of each of > the 32 workstations? That's where the lowfat client came in. > (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients) > > It works a lot better because the lowfat configuration allows for > crunching on each workstation locally, while loading the server with > networking, dhcp, nfs, ldap and backups etc. Latency-sensitive apps > perform much better. USB media plugged into the workstation also behaves > well because now it is actually working locally. Updating the image is a > bit more work, but not that much of a hassle. > > Sameer From a_kleider at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 20:08:06 2008 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] sftp Message-ID: <376208.54609.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As I understand it, scp and sftp are subsystems of ssh. SSH can be configured to listen on a non standard port. The ssh and the scp client commands allow for this with the -p and -P options respectively. How does a client establish an sftp connection with an SSH server listening on a non standard port? Yes I know the contempt many have for "security by obscurity" and I respect the arguments supporting these sentiments BUT given that the situation is as it is, it's hard for me to imagine that there isn't an answer to this puzzle. Does anyone happen to know what it is? alex From a_kleider at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 20:13:06 2008 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Fw: sftp Message-ID: <983381.92369.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry to have troubled the list: I just discovered the -oPort option for sftp. I knew there had to be a way: otherwise it wouldn't be unix a_kleider at yahoo.com --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Alex Kleider wrote: > From: Alex Kleider > Subject: sftp > To: "Linux userGroup" > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 8:08 PM > As I understand it, scp and sftp are subsystems of ssh. > SSH can be configured to listen on a non standard port. > The ssh and the scp client commands allow for this with the > -p and -P options respectively. > How does a client establish an sftp connection with an SSH > server listening on a non standard port? > Yes I know the contempt many have for "security by > obscurity" and I respect the arguments supporting these > sentiments BUT given that the situation is as it is, > it's hard for me to imagine that there isn't an > answer to this puzzle. > Does anyone happen to know what it is? > alex From cvrebert at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 20:13:26 2008 From: cvrebert at gmail.com (Chris Rebert) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:13:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sftp In-Reply-To: <376208.54609.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <376208.54609.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47c890dc0808122013v4b9d6084r6a2ed71c1655e3e3@mail.gmail.com> Directly from the sftp manpage: "For example, to specify an alternate port use: sftp -oPort=24" So, just replace "24" with the custom port you want. - Chris ======== Follow the path of the Iguana... Rebertia: http://rebertia.com Blog: http://blog.rebertia.com On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Alex Kleider wrote: > As I understand it, scp and sftp are subsystems of ssh. > SSH can be configured to listen on a non standard port. > The ssh and the scp client commands allow for this with the -p and -P options respectively. > How does a client establish an sftp connection with an SSH server listening on a non standard port? > Yes I know the contempt many have for "security by obscurity" and I respect the arguments supporting these sentiments BUT given that the situation is as it is, it's hard for me to imagine that there isn't an answer to this puzzle. > Does anyone happen to know what it is? > alex > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From a_kleider at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 20:44:37 2008 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] sftp In-Reply-To: <47c890dc0808122013v4b9d6084r6a2ed71c1655e3e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <224956.33488.qm@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chris, Yes, I'm embarrassed to confess that I had read the man page over and over and somehow missed that part. Senile dementia perhaps. The good news is that having suffered this embarrassment I'm not likely to forget the sftp -oPort option. thanks alex p.s. see you Monday perhaps a_kleider at yahoo.com --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Chris Rebert wrote: > From: Chris Rebert > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] sftp > To: a_kleider at yahoo.com > Cc: "Linux userGroup" > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 8:13 PM > Directly from the sftp manpage: > > "For example, to specify an alternate port use: sftp > -oPort=24" > > So, just replace "24" with the custom port you > want. > > - Chris > > ======== > Follow the path of the Iguana... > Rebertia: http://rebertia.com > Blog: http://blog.rebertia.com > > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Alex Kleider > wrote: > > As I understand it, scp and sftp are subsystems of > ssh. > > SSH can be configured to listen on a non standard > port. > > The ssh and the scp client commands allow for this > with the -p and -P options respectively. > > How does a client establish an sftp connection with an > SSH server listening on a non standard port? > > Yes I know the contempt many have for "security > by obscurity" and I respect the arguments supporting > these sentiments BUT given that the situation is as it is, > it's hard for me to imagine that there isn't an > answer to this puzzle. > > Does anyone happen to know what it is? > > alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > From einfeldt at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 21:17:26 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:17:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] 15% to 25% of students & facutly at this college use Linux desktops Message-ID: <4b5781040808122117u7ba398f9k3e6688a9965ef938@mail.gmail.com> In this DTP video, just released to the IA DTP VC, Christa Casebeer, a sys admin at the Johnson County Community College in Kansas City, Missouri, says that 15% to 25% of all users at her college are Linux users! This video was shot at Linux World Expo 2008 in SF. In a later interview, linked below, Christa says that EEE PCs are "almost common" at the school. I would be interested to see if this experience is consistent with Sameer's experience at SFSU. http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv548_lwe08_christa_casebeer_003.ogg Here is the tinyurl for this video: http://tinyurl.com/6hpgrb I believe that Christa is probably correct. Last year, Linux machines sold very well on Amazon.com: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid/12/29/1959244 Here are the other videos in this series. She is very articulate. I like these vids a lot. http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv548_lwe08_christa_casebeer_002.ogg http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv548_lwe08_christa_casebeer_004.ogg http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv548_lwe08_christa_casebeer_005.ogg http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv548_lwe08_christa_casebeer_006.ogg Enjoy! -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080814/ac2e1159/attachment.htm From nathan at foo-o-rama.com Thu Aug 14 10:55:22 2008 From: nathan at foo-o-rama.com (Nathan Hoover) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:55:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Astound ISP Hosting Webserver In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808141042s3e0057f4r218a24afdd94708c@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141042s3e0057f4r218a24afdd94708c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22a0b8070808141055q47970119hdbc9e879d5543a43@mail.gmail.com> I hate to give the trite answer, but maybe choose an ISP that doesn't unduly restrict you? There are reasonable network management reasons to block SMTP traffic, but IMAP and HTTP is just going overboard. Even the much-maligned AT&T (which I have now) and Comcast(which I had previously) didn't block those services. I've found them both to be reasonably reliable (at least out here in San Mateo) and meeting - in AT&T's case - or exceeding - in Comcast's case the advertised speeds. Regards, Nathan 2008/8/14 phillip tribble > Does anyone know a good workaround for hosting a websit at home using > Astound as an ISP? I have to use an atlternate port for apache and it > appears that my IMAP and SMTP are going to be blocked also. > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080814/c8c54f80/attachment.htm From justizin at vongogo.org Thu Aug 14 11:05:25 2008 From: justizin at vongogo.org (Justin Ryan) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:05:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Astound ISP Hosting Webserver In-Reply-To: <22a0b8070808141055q47970119hdbc9e879d5543a43@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141042s3e0057f4r218a24afdd94708c@mail.gmail.com> <22a0b8070808141055q47970119hdbc9e879d5543a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77be04730808141105g28cd509bi80ead69e93364336@mail.gmail.com> 2008/8/14 Nathan Hoover : > I hate to give the trite answer, but maybe choose an ISP that doesn't unduly > restrict you? There are reasonable network management reasons to block SMTP > traffic, but IMAP and HTTP is just going overboard. Even the much-maligned > AT&T (which I have now) and Comcast (which I had previously) didn't block > those services. I've found them both to be reasonably reliable (at least out > here in San Mateo) and meeting - in AT&T's case - or exceeding - in > Comcast's case the advertised speeds. > This isn't a trite answer, IMO! If one want to provide services to the world on standard ports, and those ports are blocked, it's going to be pretty hard. Sure, you can run http on 1080 or whatever you like, but make sure to put that port number on your business card. ;) FWIW, in the city, I had a terrible mess with AT&T and Speakeasy, both of whom couldn't meet their lowest advertised speed, so depending on location, evaluate what options you have. Both advertise up to 15mbit, but I had trouble pulling 3 and ended up with tons of downtime and shrugs at the SLA. You really want a static IP, and Speakeasy, though they charge a good bit more than AT&T, at least does not charge extra for the switch to "business service". Honestly, however, for less than the cost of a speakeasy account, you can get a vm at slicehost.com with four virtual cores and a gig of ram that will serve your site much, much faster. Then you can use Comcast, which I've found a good bit faster at my location, and doesn't have to be reliable enough to run my customer sites. Surely many of us know the joys of running a setup at home, but the truth is, it doesn't make sense - not for your business, your visitors, or the environment. $0.02 + interest ;d Peace, J -- Justin Alan Ryan Independent Interaction Architect http://www.bitmonk.net/ * : +1-415-226-1199 x2600 "All because of a bunch of stuff that happened.." -Homer Simpson "The best way to get in touch with me is PayPal. -Alexander Limi From david at sterryit.com Thu Aug 14 11:08:13 2008 From: david at sterryit.com (David Sterry) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:08:13 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Astound ISP Hosting Webserver In-Reply-To: <22a0b8070808141055q47970119hdbc9e879d5543a43@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141042s3e0057f4r218a24afdd94708c@mail.gmail.com> <22a0b8070808141055q47970119hdbc9e879d5543a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A4748D.4010606@sterryit.com> I agree on suggesting you switch from Astound and I'm also in San Mateo. I had their service for almost a year but was unimpressed by the upload speed of ~300kbps and around 4.5M down on what was supposed to be 8M promised. Comcast was good with peak speeds up to 11M but it always seemed to settle to 6M after a 10-15 seconds whend doing a speed test. ATT's Uverse appears to be a more solid 10M down with 1M to 1.5M up. This service is their fiber offering. The fiber is run along bigger streets and coax is split off of that to come to individual houses. Of course in both cases, I don't run into any filtering...mainly just want to use ssh anyway. The tech told me there was a 28Mbit stream coming to my house over that line which is shared by HD(one stream at a time), standard def(up to 4 streams at a time), any voip phones, and the internet connection. Another option if it's just you is to try ssh tunneling. It's not all that hard to setup. Thanks, Dave Nathan Hoover wrote: > I hate to give the trite answer, but maybe choose an ISP that doesn't > unduly restrict you? There are reasonable network management reasons > to block SMTP traffic, but IMAP and HTTP is just going overboard. Even > the much-maligned AT&T (which I have now) and Comcast > (which I had > previously) didn't block those services. I've found them both to be > reasonably reliable (at least out here in San Mateo) and meeting - in > AT&T's case - or exceeding - in Comcast's case the advertised speeds. > > Regards, > Nathan > > 2008/8/14 phillip tribble > > > Does anyone know a good workaround for hosting a websit at home > using Astound as an ISP? I have to use an atlternate port for > apache and it appears that my IMAP and SMTP are going to be > blocked also. > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step > behind" > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 14 12:06:07 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:06:07 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Astound ISP Hosting Webserver In-Reply-To: <77be04730808141105g28cd509bi80ead69e93364336@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141042s3e0057f4r218a24afdd94708c@mail.gmail.com> <22a0b8070808141055q47970119hdbc9e879d5543a43@mail.gmail.com> <77be04730808141105g28cd509bi80ead69e93364336@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080814190606.GJ7564@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Justin Ryan (justizin at vongogo.org): > You really want a static IP, and Speakeasy, though they charge a good > bit more than AT&T, at least does not charge extra for the switch to > "business service". > > Honestly, however, for less than the cost of a speakeasy account, you > can get a vm at slicehost.com with four virtual cores and a gig of ram > that will serve your site much, much faster. Then you can use > Comcast, which I've found a good bit faster at my location, and > doesn't have to be reliable enough to run my customer sites. > > Surely many of us know the joys of running a setup at home, but the > truth is, it doesn't make sense - not for your business, your > visitors, or the environment. FWIW, I've always run servers at home, and found the tradeoff balance to my liking. "Home" used to be 744 Harrison Street, SF (the CoffeeNet building), which had two T1 lines through The Little Garden^W^W^W Best Internet^W^W Verio. Lately, it's been at my old family house in west Menlo Park, sadly at roughly maximal aDSL distance from the telco central office -- but, on the bright side I've had the pleasure of dealing with Raw Bandwidth Communications, which is an excellent company[1]. (My family previously used Northpoint SDSL, until that firm folded.) Nominal downstream rate is 384kbps to 1.5Mbps, which lately has rate-adapted to 928 kilobytes/sec (about but can often do higher. Nominal upstream is 128-384Kbps, lately able to hit the top of that range. And it's all been highly reliable, and more than fast enough (when my local shell users aren't doing dumb things that draw unplanned large hits of traffic). Also FWIW, *I* would not put up with port-blocking of the sort described for Astound, and would vote with my feet. (There are ISPs that block spam/malware-ridden ports, e.g., tcp/25, by default but unblock them upon request. I could live with that.) [1] http://www.rawbandwidth.com/services/resdsl.html From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 14 12:24:45 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:24:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Astound ISP Hosting Webserver In-Reply-To: <22a0b8070808141055q47970119hdbc9e879d5543a43@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141042s3e0057f4r218a24afdd94708c@mail.gmail.com> <22a0b8070808141055q47970119hdbc9e879d5543a43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080814192445.GK7564@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nathan Hoover (nathan at foo-o-rama.com): > Even the much-maligned AT&T (which I have now) and Comcast Maligning Comcast _is_ an honourable and venerated tradition, and I discern that I haven't lately done my part. So: http://consumerist.com/consumer/bittorrent/damning-proof-comcast-contracted-to-sandvine-315921.php http://consumerist.com/consumer/insiders/leaks-insider-tells-us-theres-proof-comcast-contracts-bittorrent-sabotagingto-sandvine-315802.php http://consumerist.com/consumer/leaks/comcasts-we-dont-throttle-bittorrent-internal-talking-points-memo-315791.php (In short, they shaft customers and sabotage those customers' Internet traffic, and then lie about it.) I trust that SBC^W AT^T's suckage is better known, starting with their enthusiastic support of and participation in NSA's warrantless surveillance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepting_v._AT&T http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy From jstrazza at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 14:07:42 2008 From: jstrazza at yahoo.com (John F. Strazzarino) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Splashtop Message-ID: <670844.85020.qm@web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone heard of Splashtop?? It is a version of Linux that claims to boot in about 5 seconds.? It comes with the latest versions of the ASUS motherboards.? It is called Express Gate on the ASUS M/B.? It appears that it is a BIOS resident distro and will dual boot with Windows.? According to the docs, you can surf the net, play music, etc. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080814/924e3d22/attachment.htm From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 14:14:56 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:14:56 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Creating a Distro Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808141414x59b9959at52bdd6c74377c398@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have been using a custom home image of Arch Linux at home to deploy on all my machines at work and home. Basically, I want to start a project to make a custrom Arch distro and wanted to know if anyone is in? Currently, I tar my filesystem and copy the tar file onto the Arch CD and then I can install Arch and extract my image onto the client PC. I would like to start a development team to make this process easier or make custom tweaks to make this image smaller, lightweight, and powerful. If anyone is interested in this project to create a custom distro, please contact me. I have a home server that we can use for development. -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080814/48897798/attachment.htm From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 14 14:27:38 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:27:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Splashtop In-Reply-To: <670844.85020.qm@web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <670844.85020.qm@web35601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080814212738.GM7564@linuxmafia.com> Quoting John F. Strazzarino (jstrazza at yahoo.com): > Has anyone heard of Splashtop? It is a version of Linux that claims to > boot in about 5 seconds. It comes with the latest versions of the ASUS > motherboards. It is called Express Gate on the ASUS M/B. It appears > that it is a BIOS resident distro and will dual boot with Windows. Proprietary embedded distro from ASUS, eventually to be shipped on all ASUS motherboards, and sometimes called "Express Gate". The upper layer, which provides an operating environment for things like the (proprietary) Skype app, is what ASUS calls the "Virtual Appliance Environment" = VAE. (Skype is thus an example of a VA.) ASUS claim that they intend to open-source the VAE at some point, but the lower levels (the "Core Engine") will remain proprietary. Works from a 512MB flash chip on the motherboard. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjEwNw Given the degree of lockdown they've apparently enforced from the BIOS on up, ASUS _could_ pitch this to the copyright barons as a way of packing A/V delivery without those pesky customers acting as if they _owned_ what they paid for -- akin to what Apple achieved with the iPhone (see my notes at the top of http://linuxmafia.com/ssh/iphone.html). From darose at darose.net Thu Aug 14 17:31:44 2008 From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:31:44 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] Creating a Distro In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808141414x59b9959at52bdd6c74377c398@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141414x59b9959at52bdd6c74377c398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48A4CE70.9030409@darose.net> phillip tribble wrote: > Hello, > > I have been using a custom home image of Arch Linux at home to deploy on all > my machines at work and home. Basically, I want to start a project to make a > custrom Arch distro and wanted to know if anyone is in? Currently, I tar my > filesystem and copy the tar file onto the Arch CD and then I can install > Arch and extract my image onto the client PC. I would like to start a > development team to make this process easier or make custom tweaks to make > this image smaller, lightweight, and powerful. If anyone is interested in > this project to create a custom distro, please contact me. I have a home > server that we can use for development. Perhaps the Chakra project (I think run by the same guys who manage the kdemod repository for Arch) might be a good starting point - or source for interested teammates. http://www.chakra-project.org/ This page might be a help too: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Building_a_Live_CD Also the Archie Live CD: http://archie.dotsrc.org/ HTH, DR From jim at well.com Thu Aug 14 22:59:36 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:59:36 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Creating a Distro In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808141414x59b9959at52bdd6c74377c398@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141414x59b9959at52bdd6c74377c398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1218779976.31692.0.camel@ubuntu> i'm interested. i've got a box that's accessible via the internet that we could use. jim On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:14 -0700, phillip tribble wrote: > Hello, > > I have been using a custom home image of Arch Linux at home to deploy > on all my machines at work and home. Basically, I want to start a > project to make a custrom Arch distro and wanted to know if anyone is > in? Currently, I tar my filesystem and copy the tar file onto the Arch > CD and then I can install Arch and extract my image onto the client > PC. I would like to start a development team to make this process > easier or make custom tweaks to make this image smaller, lightweight, > and powerful. If anyone is interested in this project to create a > custom distro, please contact me. I have a home server that we can > use for development. > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step > behind" > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From sverma at sfsu.edu Fri Aug 15 00:42:29 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:42:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] open 802.11s Message-ID: <48A53365.4070005@sfsu.edu> Hi, I just got word that Javier Cardona of cozybit (http://cozybit.com) will be at the meeting on Saturday. He will have a bunch of Linux liveCDs with him. These CDs allow you to build your own mesh based on the open 802.11s effort. See http://www.open80211s.org/ for more. Cozybit is the company that build the OLPC mesh firmware for the XO. Open 802.11s is an effort to take that functionality out of the radio's firmware and allow regular machines to build their own mesh. I believe that if your laptop has a wireless card based on one of these (See Driver Status section at http://www.open80211s.org/trac), it should be able to create a mesh node. Javier will be there to shed some light on this effort and answer questions. This mesh stuff is exciting! cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From sverma at sfsu.edu Fri Aug 15 00:46:33 2008 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:46:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] open 802.11s In-Reply-To: <48A53365.4070005@sfsu.edu> References: <48A53365.4070005@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <48A53459.3000801@sfsu.edu> Sameer Verma wrote: > Hi, > I just got word that Javier Cardona of cozybit (http://cozybit.com) will > be at the meeting on Saturday. He will have a bunch of Linux liveCDs > with him. These CDs allow you to build your own mesh based on the open > 802.11s effort. See http://www.open80211s.org/ for more. > > Cozybit is the company that build the OLPC mesh firmware for the XO. > Open 802.11s is an effort to take that functionality out of the radio's > firmware and allow regular machines to build their own mesh. I believe > that if your laptop has a wireless card based on one of these (See > Driver Status section at http://www.open80211s.org/trac), it should be > able to create a mesh node. > > Javier will be there to shed some light on this effort and answer > questions. This mesh stuff is exciting! > > cheers, > Sameer > > Forgot to mention that I was writing in reference to the OLPC-SF meeting this Saturday. http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/541 cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From jim at well.com Fri Aug 15 07:29:39 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:29:39 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting this monday, august 18, 6 PM Message-ID: <1218810579.6329.3.camel@ubuntu> SF-LUG meets the evening of monday, august 18, at 6:00 PM until 8:00 or so at the Javacat on Geary Blvd at 20th Ave in San Francisco. Bring your laptops, your 16 TB hot rods, questions and answers. If I get it together (dicey), there'll be some free books. From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 09:39:06 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:39:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Creating a Distro In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808142330i33c636eck3689e13c46490573@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141414x59b9959at52bdd6c74377c398@mail.gmail.com> <1218779976.31692.0.camel@ubuntu> <598ed5ff0808142320k7ebc4e9ds82db1de800b33fb8@mail.gmail.com> <598ed5ff0808142330i33c636eck3689e13c46490573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808150939x4dd443b4w5186745ebec29dec@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, phillip tribble wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM, phillip tribble < > phillip.tribble at gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:59 PM, jim wrote: >> >>> >>> i'm interested. i've got a box that's accessible >>> via the internet that we could use. >>> jim >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:14 -0700, phillip tribble wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > I have been using a custom home image of Arch Linux at home to deploy >>> > on all my machines at work and home. Basically, I want to start a >>> > project to make a custrom Arch distro and wanted to know if anyone is >>> > in? Currently, I tar my filesystem and copy the tar file onto the Arch >>> > CD and then I can install Arch and extract my image onto the client >>> > PC. I would like to start a development team to make this process >>> > easier or make custom tweaks to make this image smaller, lightweight, >>> > and powerful. If anyone is interested in this project to create a >>> > custom distro, please contact me. I have a home server that we can >>> > use for development. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Phillip Tribble >>> > Rushers Blog >>> > http://rusher.webhop.org >>> > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step >>> > behind" >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > sf-lug mailing list >>> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >>> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >>> >>> >> I will work on the test image and distribute it. Squash is an amazing tool >> =) >> >> -- >> Phillip Tribble >> Rushers Blog >> http://rusher.webhop.org >> "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" >> > > I setup a website for discussion and information: > http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id9 > > I will post a download link when I create the public ready image. > > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" > The download link and instructions are on the website. I am still working on the iso, it should be available later today. http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id9 -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080815/7c2d0a5f/attachment.htm From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 09:39:06 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:39:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Creating a Distro In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808142330i33c636eck3689e13c46490573@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141414x59b9959at52bdd6c74377c398@mail.gmail.com> <1218779976.31692.0.camel@ubuntu> <598ed5ff0808142320k7ebc4e9ds82db1de800b33fb8@mail.gmail.com> <598ed5ff0808142330i33c636eck3689e13c46490573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808150939x4dd443b4w5186745ebec29dec@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, phillip tribble wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM, phillip tribble < > phillip.tribble at gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:59 PM, jim wrote: >> >>> >>> i'm interested. i've got a box that's accessible >>> via the internet that we could use. >>> jim >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:14 -0700, phillip tribble wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > I have been using a custom home image of Arch Linux at home to deploy >>> > on all my machines at work and home. Basically, I want to start a >>> > project to make a custrom Arch distro and wanted to know if anyone is >>> > in? Currently, I tar my filesystem and copy the tar file onto the Arch >>> > CD and then I can install Arch and extract my image onto the client >>> > PC. I would like to start a development team to make this process >>> > easier or make custom tweaks to make this image smaller, lightweight, >>> > and powerful. If anyone is interested in this project to create a >>> > custom distro, please contact me. I have a home server that we can >>> > use for development. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Phillip Tribble >>> > Rushers Blog >>> > http://rusher.webhop.org >>> > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step >>> > behind" >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > sf-lug mailing list >>> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >>> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >>> >>> >> I will work on the test image and distribute it. Squash is an amazing tool >> =) >> >> -- >> Phillip Tribble >> Rushers Blog >> http://rusher.webhop.org >> "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" >> > > I setup a website for discussion and information: > http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id9 > > I will post a download link when I create the public ready image. > > > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" > The download link and instructions are on the website. I am still working on the iso, it should be available later today. http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id9 -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080815/7c2d0a5f/attachment-0001.htm From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 11:55:22 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:55:22 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Creating a Distro In-Reply-To: <598ed5ff0808150939x4dd443b4w5186745ebec29dec@mail.gmail.com> References: <598ed5ff0808141414x59b9959at52bdd6c74377c398@mail.gmail.com> <1218779976.31692.0.camel@ubuntu> <598ed5ff0808142320k7ebc4e9ds82db1de800b33fb8@mail.gmail.com> <598ed5ff0808142330i33c636eck3689e13c46490573@mail.gmail.com> <598ed5ff0808150939x4dd443b4w5186745ebec29dec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808151155h37969091m50cdc803e217a077@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:39 AM, phillip tribble wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, phillip tribble < > phillip.tribble at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM, phillip tribble < >> phillip.tribble at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:59 PM, jim wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> i'm interested. i've got a box that's accessible >>>> via the internet that we could use. >>>> jim >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:14 -0700, phillip tribble wrote: >>>> > Hello, >>>> > >>>> > I have been using a custom home image of Arch Linux at home to deploy >>>> > on all my machines at work and home. Basically, I want to start a >>>> > project to make a custrom Arch distro and wanted to know if anyone is >>>> > in? Currently, I tar my filesystem and copy the tar file onto the Arch >>>> > CD and then I can install Arch and extract my image onto the client >>>> > PC. I would like to start a development team to make this process >>>> > easier or make custom tweaks to make this image smaller, lightweight, >>>> > and powerful. If anyone is interested in this project to create a >>>> > custom distro, please contact me. I have a home server that we can >>>> > use for development. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Phillip Tribble >>>> > Rushers Blog >>>> > http://rusher.webhop.org >>>> > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step >>>> > behind" >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > sf-lug mailing list >>>> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >>>> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >>>> >>>> >>> I will work on the test image and distribute it. Squash is an amazing >>> tool =) >>> >>> -- >>> Phillip Tribble >>> Rushers Blog >>> http://rusher.webhop.org >>> "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" >>> >> >> I setup a website for discussion and information: >> http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id9 >> >> I will post a download link when I create the public ready image. >> >> >> -- >> Phillip Tribble >> Rushers Blog >> http://rusher.webhop.org >> "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" >> > > > The download link and instructions are on the website. I am still working > on the iso, it should be available later today. > > http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id9 > -- > Phillip Tribble > Rushers Blog > http://rusher.webhop.org > "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" > I made a developer chrooted environment on my server. If you want to participate, email phillip.tribble at gmail.com to request access. The entire File system is 1.2GB installed. Squashing worked great on /usr and /opt. The previous image was almost 3GB. -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080815/5f7b9d4e/attachment.htm From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 21:14:18 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:14:18 -0600 Subject: [sf-lug] Custom Arch Distro Released Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808152114m7cf3cdaib670d9d2e6f8be0c@mail.gmail.com> Hello, My hacked version of Arch has been released on http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id9 . Please let me know what you think! If you want to be part of the distro development team, please email me requesting access to the build environment. This version of Arch is only 1.5GB installed thanks to Squash FS; original FS size was +4GB. All the instructions are on the website for installation. -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080815/8bf700dc/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Mon Aug 18 11:00:59 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:00:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Tonight, Crick con't rise In-Reply-To: <48A9A4DC.7070603@earthlink.net> References: <48A9A4DC.7070603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1219082459.6329.97.camel@ubuntu> i think it'll be best not to change the hostname: it's possible that some configuration file or another is using it. i don't understand the need to change the username, either. there's no relation between the hostname and the username. your host (computer) can be named "santy clause" and as long as all of the configuration files are properly updated, the system will work just fine for any username, including mikkimc. permissions is a matter of some username owning a file, some groupname associated with a file, and the association of read, write, and execute privileges for the owner as well as the group as well as everyone with a login on the machine who is not the owner and is not a member of the associated group. use the Places menu and click the Home Folder choice. a new window should appear showing your login name and "File Browser" in the title bar. in the window you should see a list of your filenames. in the File Browser window click the View menu and in the View menu click the Visible Columns... choice. You should see a dialog box with checkboxes. click the Group, Owner, and Permissions checkboxes, close the dialog box, and reinspect the File Browser window. You should see new columns for the three choices. alternately, right-click any filename and in the right-click menu choose Properties. you'll see a Properties dialog box. click the Permissions tab and you'll see permissions for the owner, the group, and everyone else. In general, your files should be Read and write for the owner, Read-only for the group, and Read-only for everyone else. Ubuntu defaults are usually fine. as the primary user you almost certainly have the ability to do all system management--when doing so the system will first present a dialog box asking for your login. if you plan to change hard drives, you'll have to reinstall ubuntu all over again on the new hard drive (group: is there a shortcut <---- for this?). be sure to make backups of your files whether or not you change hard drives. you can just make copies to some other directory, or you can make copies to some other partition, or you can make copies to some removable media such as a CD-ROM, or you can make copies and store them on some internet site (your ISP may or may not allow this). it seems to me common that people create their own problems by thinking in advance of learning. this is probably inevitable, but try to remember the warning: "am i anticipating something that doesn't exist?" On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 09:35 -0700, Mikki McGee wrote: > Hi; > > Well, I continue confused. I haven't found the beginning of the > rosetta stone, that lets me interpret Ubuntu. But gods willing and the > creeks don't rise, and Muni cooperates, I will be there tonight. > > I now feel that the previous goal is not wise. I will leave this > 160g hard drive in here, until I learn more. No change in drives. > > What is a 'small nagging problem' is understanding access, > permissions, and such. I may want to change either the name of the > computer ("Mikki McGee" ) or the user ('mikkimc') or both, for agreement > each with the other, so that I don't get locked out of files suddenly, > and can access some "root permission" ownerships.One item on the desktop > is a "root ownership" that I'd like to move. I already have moved all > importances but one from it. I normally have the computer named > "mikkimc" as well as the username, but didn't understand what Daniel was > saying when we both were groggy. So the computer got named Mikki McGee. > > This issue has been bugging me, and may be the center of my lack of > understanding. It seems crystal to some, and to me it is muddy. > > I will try to get there quite early. Get it over witn, so that you > can enjoy the fellowship of the meeting, perhaps. > > Bless All > > > Mikki > > From asheesh at asheesh.org Mon Aug 18 14:01:39 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Tonight: SF-LUG Message-ID: On the agenda: Who knows. I'll see you all there. I just got back from Debconf, the Debian conference, which was flippin' amazing. I'd be happy to talk about it, even if I'm not totally sure what I'll say! -- Asheesh. -- What we do not understand we do not possess. -- Goethe From afife at untangle.com Mon Aug 18 11:47:24 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] BALUG Tomorrow = Chris Dibona Message-ID: <012501c90162$da778ae0$8f66a0a0$@com> Hi Folks: This is a quick reminder that Chris Dibona, the open source programs manager at Google, will be speaking at BALUG tomorrow. (full bio below) So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they ensure that we're able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm August 19th, 2008 (Tomorrow!) Four Seas Restaurant 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy $5 PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13 Chris DiBona's full bio: Chris DiBona is the open source programs manager at Mountain View, CA based Google, where his team oversees license compliance, promotes developer outreach, supports the open source community through programs such as the Google Summer of Code and oversees OSS releases on Google Code. Mr. DiBona is an internationally known advocate of open source software and related methodologies. He occasionally appears on the This Week in Tech and Cranky Geeks podcasts. He is a visiting scholar at the MIT Sloan School of Management and has a masters in software engineering from Carnegie Mellon University. Additionally, he serves on the advisory board of imeem, a San Francisco, CA based social networking firm. Before joining Google, Mr. DiBona was an editor and author for the website Slashdot.org. Additionally, he coedited the award-winning essay compilations "Open Sources" and "Open Sources 2.0" and writes for several publications. He was the host of Floss Weekly with Leo Laporte and made a number of appearances on TechTV's "The Screensavers". -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080818/5bc6bfab/attachment.html From jim at well.com Mon Aug 18 15:47:55 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:47:55 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Tonight: SF-LUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219099675.6329.139.camel@ubuntu> on the agenda: * how was linuxworld for you? * how was Debconf for you? * what do you think of a virtual library (a couple of us are considering entering in titles of our books and maybe a little code to help each other search the title list)? * let's try out the GoGrid offer (free $100 use and probably SF-LUG gets extended use with no or low charge, at least for a while). * mikki's laptop On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:01 -0700, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On the agenda: Who knows. > > I'll see you all there. > > I just got back from Debconf, the Debian conference, which was flippin' > amazing. I'd be happy to talk about it, even if I'm not totally sure what > I'll say! > > -- Asheesh. > From jim at well.com Mon Aug 18 15:50:24 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:50:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [Fwd: Apress Seeks Reviewers!] Message-ID: <1219099824.6329.142.camel@ubuntu> maybe we could somehow collectively agree on one or less persons in our group to review the Apress book belwo, or maybe a committee that shares one copy for sf-lug. anyone interested? -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Apress User Group To: jim at well.com Subject: Apress Seeks Reviewers! Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:43:42 -0700 Apress Seeks Reviewers! Apress is actively seeking fresh voices to write about our books. As a publisher, we rely on independent writers and reviewers to speak forcefully and honestly about our products to the larger technology book-buying community. Would you like to review the following title immediately? We have 25 copies of the book below, so only the first 25 people that respond requesting to review the book will be eligible. ************************************ "On the Way to the Web: The Secret History of the Internet and Its Founders" by Michael A. Banks | ISBN-13: 978-1-4302-0869-3 | Published Jul 2008 | 200pp. http://apress.com/book/view/1430208694 ************************************ Please take a moment to read the review-writing guidelines we've posted: http://apress.com/community/writeareview. In general, we like to see reviews posted to Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Slashdot, and/or Bookpool--to name a few places. We also prefer a 2-3 week turnaround for reviews, so please let me know if you need more time. Please reply to me at cheryl.martinez at apress.com, if you or another group member would be interested in posting a prompt, thorough review this book. Again, we have 25 copies of the book above, so only the first 25 people that respond requesting to review the book will be eligible to receive a copy. *****Please remember to include the NAME OF YOUR USER GROUP and your preferred DELIVERY ADDRESS if different from your group's registered shipping address.***** Thank you in advance! Best, Cheryl cheryl martinez | marketing supervisor | cheryl.martinez at apress.com | 510.549.5930 ext 129 | 510.549.5939 fax | 2855 telegraph avenue, suite 600, berkeley, ca. 94705 | apress.com ========================= http://app.streamsend.com/private/hbs1/ykzcRQK/unsubscribe/1170641 From einfeldt at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 16:33:51 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:33:51 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Tonight: SF-LUG In-Reply-To: <1219099675.6329.139.camel@ubuntu> References: <1219099675.6329.139.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <4b5781040808181633r453a3d10jf147359253d2f0dd@mail.gmail.com> hi On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM, jim wrote: > > on the agenda: How about this for an agenda item: I would like to have an open house for those interested in coming by our local public middle school project on Sunday, September 14, from 1 pm to 3 pm. You will be able to see how we are changing the GNU-Linux LTSP lab over to an LDAP lab. We now have 31 machines (with 7 back-up boxes ready to go) each with 512 MB of RAM and at least 1.7 GHz chips in them to act as hybrid clients. If you have never seen this kind of lab in action, you might want to see it for yourself, because it is kind of cool. Please let me know if this is a good date for everyone. I would appreciate it if someone can announce this event at tonight's SF-LUG meeting, because I will be busy at the school tonight, as I discuss below: We are putting on the finishing touches right now, and I will be there at the lab tonight at Geary and Scott from 6 pm to 9 pm, if anyone would like to come over and help lift machines and triage machines to separate bad boxes from good, and build good boxes after bad. So if want to come by after SF-LUG meeting tonight, I will be there! There is plenty of free, gated parking. Please call me at 415-351-1300 if you come over, and I will let you into the gate. I would strongly recommend AGAINST parking in this neighborhood outside the gate, as there are regularly car break-ins in this neighborhood. -- Christian Einfeldt, Producer, The Digital Tipping Point -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080818/25ba4638/attachment.htm From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon Aug 18 23:20:54 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:20:54 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] perl backup script, and other perl goodies Message-ID: <1219126854.48aa66463c89c@webmail.rawbw.com> One of the discussions that came up at the SF-LUG meeting this evening was backups, ... including a perl backup script I'd written a while back. Anyway, put up a web page of that and some other perl stuff I'd written a fair while ago, ... my "most current" versions of those programs may have evolved a bit more since then, ... but probably aren't all that different. Anyway, some of the perl programs I wrote were written for semi-customized usage, ... but others are likely sufficiently general enough or otherwise generally useful, that the may have other practical applications (as-is, or with some modifications). So, ... keeping those points in mind, ... without further ado, they can be found here: http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/perl/ The above examples were also implemented in perl, as it was a sufficiently high level language, yet with sufficiently easy and powerful reaches as and where needed into the lower level details (e.g. most of the functionality of most system calls, without the programming tedium and hazards of implementing such in C), that the tasks wouldn't be a good fit for C or shell (+ standard Linux/Unix tools) (or even a modest mixing of C and shell (+ standard Linux/Unix tools)) ... so they were good fits for perl ... and also real world practical exercises for me to work on exercising and putting my perl skills to quite practical use. From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Tue Aug 19 06:20:41 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:20:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Other random bits from yesterday's SF-LUG meeting Message-ID: <1219152041.48aac8a98f71f@webmail.rawbw.com> Other random bits from yesterday's SF-LUG meeting: (If I recall the package name correctly): # aptitude install hpoj Likely the next step needed to get a Hewlett-Packard Model 710 (OfficeJet, or something like that) series printer/scanner to work with [x]sane via the parallel port connection. http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/hpoj How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Not sure how/where to ask, or folks complaining that you're not asking "correctly" or in the right place ... or perhaps one may have even been referred to it? In any case, the item noted above is a very good reference on where and how to ask, at least regarding Linux/Unix technical support questions (and probably a fair bit more). And if one doesn't have or recall the URL, if one can remember the title, it's quite easy enough to find (e.g. via Google). Books, and other swag from LinuxWorld: come to BALUG http://www.balug.org/ today or BUUG http://www.buug.org/ Thursday or the next SF-LUG meeting and there will almost certainly be some such stuff available (although, in the case of SF-LUG, the books may already have been spoken for by persons interested in specific titles, but one would probably at least get a chance to peek at the book and find out why folks are interested in it; Jim Stockford would have the authoritiative word for SF-LUG). Didn't meet the list posting criteria*, but ... if one was at the meeting, I mentioned and handed out some information on Linux(/Unix) job openings (in group where I work!), including my work (for more information) contact info.: 1-415-344-7609; apply rot13 to: zvpunry.cnbyv at onolpragre.pbz http://www.babycenter.com/about-jobindex-engineering#sysAdmin If you were at the meeting, rot13 wasn't used on the hardcopy, but rot13 discussion did come up a bit :-) *don't have any official publicly quotable salary amount or range From phillip.tribble at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 07:49:46 2008 From: phillip.tribble at gmail.com (phillip tribble) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:49:46 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Improve disk performance. Message-ID: <598ed5ff0808190749v22919612mcc1eeac35f14a187@mail.gmail.com> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Disk_performance_on_the_Eee_PC ***NOT ONLY FOR THE EEE PC, BUT ANY PC*** This is an interesting concept that I developed for my home and work computers. I am able to save space and write changes to any location that I choose on my filesystem. This tutorial is great for emulating RAID and a system restore like feature on Linux. This shows how fexible the GNU OS is. This tutorial will be helpful for people to save space or want to install another hard drive into a computer without redoing partitions. -- Phillip Tribble Rushers Blog http://rusher.webhop.org "If you don't take one step forward, you will always be one step behind" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080819/cd46c22e/attachment.htm From einfeldt at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 11:40:09 2008 From: einfeldt at gmail.com (Christian Einfeldt) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:40:09 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] volunteers needed for St. Anthony's installfest Message-ID: <4b5781040808201140o523e51c9yf9a11ac30a25ff57@mail.gmail.com> hi, Volunteers are needed to install Linux, teach Linux use, and repair computers at this event, to be held on September 27, 2008, at St. Anthony's Foundation at 150 Golden Gate Avenue between Jones and Leavenworth from 9 a.m. to 2 pm. The first link is the original link, and the second link is the tinyurl link for the same page, in case the long link breaks. http://www.sfconnect.org/projects/viewProject.php?_mode=occurrenceView&_action=load&ixActivity3&_clearFlag=specialevent&_clearFlag=course&ixAffiliateRegion=&sZipcode=&bAvailable=&dtBegin=&dtEnd=&PHPSESSID http://tinyurl.com/6626q8 The big news with this event is that the Microsoft Windows advocates will _not_ be at this event, which is a big change from the past. In the past, there was a Linux team and a Microsoft Windows team. Now, for the first time, we have an opportunity to promote Linux without the presence of a team offering Microsoft Windows. This means that we have the chance to fill establish close ties with the institutions that are sponsoring this event. These institutions (St. Anthony's and the City & County of San Francisco's Tech Connect program) have a tremendous reach into hundreds of non-profits in San Francisco. By establishing closer ties with these agencies, we have the very real opportunity to increase membership in SF-LUG and multiply our reach. St. Anthony's is also offering to give us free space once per month for meetings! We have been talking for some time about having another meeting per month at a new location, potentially downtown, to support non-profits which are interested in exploring a migration to Linux. This event on September 27 would be a great opportunity to start a long-term relationship with one of the most well-funded, well-run charities in San Francisco! They have recently purchased a brand new building, so it will be very fresh and clean and new. The website linked above has a spot for registering and signing up for the event. Please consider signing up for the event, or, if you don't like to sign up, please email me either here on this list or privately to indicate your interest in this event. 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This is on a Thinkpad X40 booting and running off a 12GB CompactFlash card (Sandisk Exteme III) using an IDE-CF adapter [1]. The distro is Debian unstable, via the grml live-CD [2] installed to hard-disk. Not sure if the problem is related to using a a Flash HD...I've run other machines off CF without this issue. The X40 uses shared video memory. Someone at Monday's JavaCat meeting suggested trying a different video driver for the framebuffer. Here's what I have on board: # ddcprobe vbe: VESA 3.0 detected. oem: Intel(r)852GM/852GME/855GM/855GME Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS vendor: Intel Corporation product: Intel(r)852GM/852GME/855GM/855GME Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0 memory: 8000kb mode: 1280x1024x256 mode: 1280x1024x64k mode: 1280x1024x16m mode: 1024x768x256 mode: 1024x768x64k mode: 1024x768x16m mode: 640x480x16m mode: 800x600x64k mode: 800x600x16m mode: 640x480x256 mode: 800x600x256 mode: 640x480x64k edid: edidfail Reading through /usr/share/doc/.../Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt.gz led me to try this in /etc/lilo.conf : append="video=intelfb:mode=1024x768-24 at 60,accel,hwcursor " vga=0x0318 Taking a look in dmesg, there doesn't seem to be any reference to intelfb, just vesafb: % dmesg ... Boot video device is 0000:00:02.0 vesafb: framebuffer at 0xe0000000, mapped to 0xe0280000, using 6144k, total 8000k vesafb: mode is 1024x768x32, linelength=4096, pages=1 vesafb: scrolling: redraw vesafb: Truecolor: size=8:8:8:8, shift=24:16:8:0 Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48 fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device When loading intelfb manually: # modprobe intelfb there's this: % dmesg ... intelfb: Framebuffer driver for Intel(R) 830M/845G/852GM/855GM/865G/915G/915GM/945G/945GM chipsets intelfb: Version 0.9.4 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:02.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 intelfb: Cannot reserve FB region. And the hanging display issue persists. Am I on the right track trying to use intelfb? Is the Framebuffer video driver a likely culprit? Could it be something else? Any suggestions regarding how to diagnose the problem would be much appreciated. Regards, John [1] AD44MIDE2CF IDE to 2 CF slots Adapter for Notebook (note: only one slot is really usable...the 'slave' slot is realllly slow, no DMA) http://www.shopaddonics.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AD44MIDE2CF&eq=&Tp= [2] grml - Linux Live-CD for sysadmins / texttool-users / geeks http://grml.org -- John Magolske http://B79.net/contact From asheesh at asheesh.org Thu Aug 21 01:42:56 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] framebuffer console hangs... In-Reply-To: <20080820204942.GC5182@mail.b79.net> References: <20080820204942.GC5182@mail.b79.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, John Magolske wrote: > While in text mode in a framebuffer console, I'm having issues with > the display 'hanging'. For example, while moving the text cursor in > Vim, the cursor will sometimes freeze for 3 or 4 seconds then jump > ahead the distance it would've moved while frozen. Or while scrolling > text in Less, the text will freeze then jump ahead in the same manner. > When switching between terminals in GNU Screen there can be a several > second pause...quite annoying. I'm thinking you're right in thinking it's a framebuffer driver issue. Were it not late o'clock I might try helping you figure out how to avoid vesafb and use an accelerated framebuffer driver. The framebuffer drivers with text can be notoriously slow, pegging the CPU just to scroll.... -- Asheesh. -- To our sweethearts and wives. May they never meet. -- 19th century toast From jim at well.com Thu Aug 21 07:36:16 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:36:16 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] looking for a domain name service provider Message-ID: <1219329376.23483.65.camel@ubuntu> i've got a couple or three domain names for which i want to set up web pages. i've used network solutions and godaddy and am not perfectly happy with either. i'd like to know your opinions on preferred means of establishing and maintaining domain names. jim From toya at linefeed.org Thu Aug 21 07:43:52 2008 From: toya at linefeed.org (toya) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:43:52 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] looking for a domain name service provider In-Reply-To: <1219329376.23483.65.camel@ubuntu> References: <1219329376.23483.65.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20080821144352.GK3976@linefeed.org> Hi, I normally use gandi.net to register domains, they are in France and have a really good privacy policy for their clients. For DNS I use everydns.net, It is a project created by the same guy who owns opendns.com. Everydns.net is a non-profit service they have 4 NS you can use, those servers are located in different places, so you get a good backup system. Everydns was also part of the first community colo, the California Community Colo :) so the people are from the community. We have being using them for almost 10 years now and no complains! :) bye, toya Em Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 07:36:16AM -0700, jim escreveu: > > i've got a couple or three domain names for > which i want to set up web pages. i've used > network solutions and godaddy and am not > perfectly happy with either. i'd like to know > your opinions on preferred means of establishing > and maintaining domain names. > jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 21 09:43:36 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:43:36 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] looking for a domain name service provider In-Reply-To: <1219329376.23483.65.camel@ubuntu> References: <1219329376.23483.65.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20080821164336.GK3728@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim (jim at well.com): > i've got a couple or three domain names for > which i want to set up web pages. i've used > network solutions and godaddy and am not > perfectly happy with either. i'd like to know > your opinions on preferred means of establishing > and maintaining domain names. Ah, the old what's-a-good-registrar question. Here's advice I recently gave to a friend, who keeps sheepishly renewing at NetSol even though he has for a long time disliked them: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:36:26 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: schoen at loyalty.org Subject: loyalty.org is due to expire in 13 days Hi, all! My monitoring setup (see: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2007-June/003126.html) has just sent me nagmail saying that the loyalty.org domain is approaching the need for renewal. You should do so without delay, as 13 days is getting dangerously close to expiration. (Please feel welcome to tell me "I know", and I'll not send you further reminder attempts.) ----- Forwarded message from root ----- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:21:47 -0700 To: rick at linuxmafia.com Subject: domain-check: Domain expiration warning (90 day cutoff) From: root According to 'whois', these domains will expire soon: dnc.org.nz (in 5 days) loyalty.org (in 13 days) flygirl.com (in 18 days) cascadiacon.org (in 22 days) saclug.org (in 27 days) advogato.org (in 35 days) tux.org (in 40 days) nic.sk (in 42 days) nic.su (in 44 days) groklaw.net (in 46 days) dragaera.info (in 47 days) eff.org (in 52 days) orbital2008.org (in 54 days) archonstl.org (in 70 days) eastercon.org.uk (in 85 days) ----- End forwarded message ----- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:02:28 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: Seth David Schoen Subject: Re: loyalty.org is due to expire in 13 days Quoting Seth David Schoen (schoen at loyalty.org): > I might have asked you this last year, but do you have a > recommendation for a registrar to switch to away from Network > Solutions? Do you know how complicated that process is and how long > it might take? > > I registered loyalty.org when Network Solutions was the incumbent > monopolist and I still haven't switched because I never seem to think > about switching except when the domain is about to expire. (Then I > don't switch because I worry that the process could take too long and > the domain could expire. I ought to break this pattern.) I don't really have a very specific recommendation, in part because of the odd circumstances of my present registrar: I use a Tucows OpenSRS reseller[1] whom Deirdre recommended, Iain Brown of Texas (http://register.webl.com/), but, last I heard, he didn't really want to accept new customers. Many years ago, my first stop after leaving Network Solutions was Tierra.Net DBA Domain Discover, of San Diego. From bogus@does.not.exist.com Mon Aug 18 14:02:27 2008 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:02:27 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: The domain business in a nutshell: Registrars tend to be on razor-thin margins, and so either do that business as a loss-leader adjunct to other business services (business model #1, common among resellers of Tucows OpenSRS registration services), or massively automate and survive through sheer size and quantity of customers (business model #2, typified by GoDaddy and a host of other bottom-feeders). A third method is theoretically also possible: Charge $35/year and up, per domain (NetSol's price), and actually provide meaningful levels of human-connected customer service. (NetSol do not do the latter, of course.) Nobody seems to want to attempt this business model, because price competition is too severe, and not enough customers value service sufficiently. Domain Discover typifies the fourth and last business model I'm aware of: They bundle domain services with other bundled onlines services: e-mail, Web space, etc. Their annual (renewal) price these days, not counting promotional discounts on first year registrations and so on, is $25. I frankly think that's still too high (which is why I left them for Tucows OpenSRS, but then I don't value their bundled services. GoDaddy have the rock-bottom annual (renewal) price on .com/.org/.net domains of $8.95. They are an extremely sleazy outfit -- and also the largest and fastest-growing of the generic-TLD registrars. Some of the reasons you should not do business with them are listed from link "GoDaddy" on the front page of linuxmafia.com. Gandi.net (France) and Joker.com (Switzerland/Germany) are both reasonably well-regarded and inexpensive. Gandi is $12/year on renewals. Joker.com is $12.65. Tucows OpenSRS is $15/year on renewals, which I've come to think of as the standard commodity price for .com/.org/.net domains. (Well, $12-15 is the standard price.) There are dozens of accredited registrars, by now[2], not just Tucows OpenSRS, Gandi.net, Joker.com, DomainDiscover, and GoDaddy -- but I really do not have competent current knowledge of most of them, and only some acquaintance with the foregoing. I therefore offer, FWIW, this badly informed prejudice: You could do a lot worse than an (any) OpenSRS reseller, or Gandi.net, or Joker.com. Please be aware that you absolutely do NOT want to attempt to move a domain within 30 days of expiration, because outgoing registrars tend to suddenly become accident-prone and slow when you attempt that process. Also, it is not permitted to re-transfer a domain within the first 60 days following a recent transfer, per ICANN rules. Therefore, with a domain like yours that is close to expiration, your first step without delay needs to be: (1) Renew. Do _not_ fret over "losing" your renewal money: Essentially all registrars will give you credit on transferred domains for your time remaining at your existing registrar. After the renewal goes through and is reflected in whois, _then_ (2) pick out a new registrar. (3) Login to your current registrar's (NetSol's) Web-administrative interface for your domain. (4) Make very, very sure that your contact e-mail addresses in the domain record are valid and deliverable. (5) Turn off the "registrar lock" (or whatever NetSol calls it) flag that causes automatic rejection of transfer requests for the domain (and various other types of requests). Initiate a domain transfer. (6) As part of that transfer request, get an "authentication code" for your domain -- aka "auth code", "transfer key", "transfer secret", "EPP code", "EPP authentication code" or "EPP authorization code". See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Provisioning_Protocol (7) Contact the new registrar. (Create a login account, then login.) Use whatever facility they provide to initiate new service for your domain, providing NetSol's authentication code. Again, make very, very sure that your contact e-mail addresses in the domain record are valid and deliverable. (6) Your new registrar will contact the old one, to request transfer, and citing the authentication code you provided. The old one (NetSol) will e-mail you, needing your vetting (authenticating) of the request. There may be other hoops that one registrar or the other (almost always the outgoing one) will make you jump through before the outgoing registrar is willing to release the domain, and NetSol is notorious for using any excuse for holding onto them. The process can take up to two weeks, even if you answer all queries immediately. (This is yet another reason not to initiate requests within the last month before expiration.) (8) New registrar should notify you that they've received your domain. You should immediately login to the registrar's domain-admin interface, make sure the contact and nameserver data are all correct, and make sure the "registrar lock" flag is once again set. (It should already be.) (Note that you will need to unset that flag to make substantive domain changes, after which you should set it again, to make theft of your domain less likely.) [1] Think of these as like independent local insurance agencies: Your local insurance guy probably works for himself or a local firm rather than Allstate, but handles all retail aspects of your policy so that the Allstate guys can concentrate on just filing paperwork, feeding their lawyers, and paying dividends. Last I heard, for example, Chris di Bona had Tucows certification as a reseller, presumably so he could take care of his own domains plus those of a few friends and family members, etc. The name of Tucows's program is derived from that of a Network Solutions protocol suite they created, years ago, when the US Commerce Dept. ordered them to allow competitors access to their back-end registry database: the Shared Registry System. OpenSRS is a Tucows subsidiary allowing outsides sales/support agents to participate in Tucows's "SRS" registry access. [2] http://www.pir.org/index.php?db=content/Website&tbl=Registrants&id=2 This doesn't count resellers. Becoming an accrdited registrar (as opposed to a reseller) requires sending an application + $2500 non-refundable fee to ICANN along with your audited financial statements, and so on. Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:16:11 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: Seth David Schoen Subject: Re: loyalty.org is due to expire in 13 days Quoting Seth David Schoen (schoen at loyalty.org): > Have you published this information anywhere? I bet it could be > useful to other people who might still be stuck on NSI from its old > monopoly days. I hadn't yet. In part, I just hadn't gotten around to that. But in larger part, I've kept getting a nagging feeling that some of the readers of my advice on the subject (not you) were likely to go do The Wrong Thing even after hearing my advice, for reasons that I wasn't fully understanding. You know what I mean when I say that, as a teacher, one must be wary of being too familiar with a subject? One can know the most vital points at such an unconscious level that one might fail to include them in explanations. For years, I kept being mystified about why people kept renewing at registrars they hated and then waiting a year until once again it's four days from expiration time, and only _then_ try to transfer. Eventually, in exasperation, I asked myself, "Don't they know that new registrars routinely give credit for time remaining? Don't they know that just prior to expiration is a disasterously bad time to do anything other than just send in a renewal ASAP?" And then, I realised: No, they don't. People don't know about that, and they don't know about domain "slamming" between registrars[1] that has caused invention of the "registrar-lock" flag and all sorts of other registrar paranoia about transfer requests. They don't know how vital the domain's whois contacts are, for administrative purposes, and the fact that their domains can be _cancelled_ if the whois data are judged erroneous. Actually, most people don't understand what "whois" is all about, at all. They thus don't know why the Registrant is vital. They have no idea what the e-mail contacts in "whois" are (Registrant, Technical Contact, Administrative Contact, Billing Contact), why at least some of those should be out-of-band, and why diversity should exist among those to avoid single points of failure. (Most people are unclear on what "out of band" and "single point of failure" mean.) Most people I talk with about domains are unclear on domain administration / ownership being distinct from DNS, and both of those being distinct from e-mail and Web hosting. If they're aware of domain administration being a separate business, they don't understand how that business works, and they don't understand why registrars differ -- the fact that some have horrifically bad contract terms, bad customer-relations histories, and bad attitudes (GoDaddy, NetSol...). Some are even literally scofflaws who tempt me to use unsafe, inflammatory words like "fraud" (**cough** Domain Registry of America **cough**[2]). Because all those topics are my bread and butter, it's taken me a long time to spot the reasons for people's typical domain-admin blunders -- because I tend to avoid those pitfalls without really thinking about them. I do hope to post a comprehensive article on the subject, but I'd like to write in such a fashion that includes "mind the gap" warnings against common errors and misconceptions. Which is a much bigger task than one might hope. [1] http://kroeker.net/published/verisign_beast.htm [2] http://luciddesign.wordpress.com/2006/07/07/domain-registry-of-america-droa-scam/ http://www.laservers.com/support/faqs/domain_faqs.html#DROA http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,16948194 From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 21 09:52:25 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:52:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] looking for a domain name service provider In-Reply-To: <20080821144352.GK3976@linefeed.org> References: <1219329376.23483.65.camel@ubuntu> <20080821144352.GK3976@linefeed.org> Message-ID: <20080821165225.GL3728@linuxmafia.com> Quoting toya (toya at linefeed.org): > For DNS I use > everydns.net, It is a project created by the same guy who owns > opendns.com. If you have a static IP address, why don't you do your own authoritative DNS? (My practice is to do secondary DNS for friends, and they do the same for me. So, for example.... :r! dig -t ns linuxmafia.com +short ns.tx.primate.net. ns.primate.net. ns1.thecoop.net. ns1.linuxmafia.com. ns2.linuxmafia.com. I have five nameservers (one of them mine) spread out around the West Coast doing authoritative DNS for my domain, and none of us who are doing it have to pay each other. For an excellent, easy, open-source authoritative DNS nameserver program, look no further than NSD. For an excellent recursive-resolver nameserver (e.g., for a SOHO network), look no further than Unbound or PowerDNS Recursor. And, if anyone needs to run both types of nameservice on a single IP, for heaven's sake try MaraDNS rather than rushing to BIND9. More at: "DNS Servers" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Network_Other/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 21 10:21:38 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:21:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] looking for a domain name service provider In-Reply-To: <20080821144352.GK3976@linefeed.org> References: <1219329376.23483.65.camel@ubuntu> <20080821144352.GK3976@linefeed.org> Message-ID: <20080821172138.GM3728@linuxmafia.com> Quoting toya (toya at linefeed.org): > For DNS I use everydns.net. Some quick comments: 1. As you mention, it's from the OpenDNS outfit (David Ulevich's), which is a pretty benign and competent set of folks. It's a free-of-charge service, which is nice.[1] 2. They use the authoritative-DNS portion of djbdns ("tinydns"), which has some merits but is very peculiar, and is notorious for deliberately not implementing parts of the real-world DNS protocols that its author, Daniel J. Bernstein, for whatever reason dislikes. I see that EveryDNS doesn't support "NTFY" (Notify), for example. Thus, if you update the contents of your DNS on your authoritative server, EveryDNS's secondary service will ignore the Notify advisory that your primary nameserver sends out. Instead, they brute-force their software to automatically re-contact the primary nameservers every hour on the hour, and override the "expire", "retry", and "refresh" specs you put in the zone header. This is squirrely: When you update your DNS, there's no excuse for secondaries refusing to take notice. You should not have to put up with that. Ulevich is well aware of that problem. It speaks well for him that he's up-front about that. Quoting the FAQ: "EveryDNS violates rfc1034 by ignoring your SOA parameters. We unconditionally poll every hour on the hour, no matter what refresh and retry parameters you list. This might possibly be interpretted as a Bad Thing." It's not his fault. It's because he's using Dan Bernstein's software. Other demented peculiarities of djbdns/tinydns/etc. are noted in the djbdns entry within "DNS Servers" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Network_Other/ [1] Supporting the service through donations is tactfully but pointedly suggested. From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 11:22:46 2008 From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] looking for a domain name service provider In-Reply-To: <20080821165225.GL3728@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <438195.75368.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, I can't claim to be an authority. But since DNS is basically a database relating the domain name to the the IP address, It doesn't seem like it would be to hard to do. I'm not sure how it spreads across the net. Vince Rick Moen wrote: Quoting toya (toya at linefeed.org): > For DNS I use > everydns.net, It is a project created by the same guy who owns > opendns.com. If you have a static IP address, why don't you do your own authoritative DNS? (My practice is to do secondary DNS for friends, and they do the same for me. So, for example.... :r! dig -t ns linuxmafia.com +short ns.tx.primate.net. ns.primate.net. ns1.thecoop.net. ns1.linuxmafia.com. ns2.linuxmafia.com. I have five nameservers (one of them mine) spread out around the West Coast doing authoritative DNS for my domain, and none of us who are doing it have to pay each other. For an excellent, easy, open-source authoritative DNS nameserver program, look no further than NSD. For an excellent recursive-resolver nameserver (e.g., for a SOHO network), look no further than Unbound or PowerDNS Recursor. And, if anyone needs to run both types of nameservice on a single IP, for heaven's sake try MaraDNS rather than rushing to BIND9. 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MORE INFORMATION See www.penlug.org for more information. This notice is being sent to the following mailing lists: members at penlug.org announce at penlug.org sf-lug at linuxmafia.com balug-talk at lists.balug.org svlug at lists.svlug.org svevents at yahoogroups.com Please reply to suggest any additions or other changes. From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Aug 21 12:03:10 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:03:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] looking for a domain name service provider In-Reply-To: <438195.75368.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080821165225.GL3728@linuxmafia.com> <438195.75368.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080821190309.GN3728@linuxmafia.com> Quoting vincent polite (vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com): > Well, I can't claim to be an authority. But since DNS is basically a > database relating the domain name to the the IP address, It doesn't > seem like it would be to hard to do. I'm not sure how it spreads > across the net. To further clarify, server-end DNS is of two types: Either your server is publishing DNS data, or it's not (and is merely fetching, providing, and caching as necessary DNS data published elsewhere). o Publishing DNS data is called running an "authoritative nameserver". o Handing other folks' DNS data is called running a "recursive nameserver". If you own a domain, you'll want to have it be served up by minimum two authoritative nameservers operating on fixed IP addresses somewhere in the world. (The RFC-recommended numbers are minimum three, maximum seven.) So, folks generally don't need to even consider operating authoritative nameservice: Only domain owners do. On the other hand, _everyone_ has reason to run a recursive (aka "recursive-resolver") nameserver on the local LAN or local machine. One reason: Not doing so throws away siginficant bandwidth and performance on the traffic overhead and delays resulting from unnecessary DNS-query transactions across your upstream link. Another reason: Security. ISP nameservers tend to have extremely bad security (and reliability, and performance). The smaller your network operation, and the less bandwidth you have to waste, the greater your advantage from a local recursive nameserver. Yet, these are the exact people whose reaction to my suggestion is inevitably "Oh, my computing's too small, simple, and slow to need a nameserver. Besides, it's too difficult to do." Here's how you turn on PowerDNS Recursor on Ubuntu: $ sudo apt-get install pdns-recursor That's it. PowerDNS Recursor is now running and will handle recursive queries posed to it, and will cache that data, saving bandwidth on repeat queries (which happen a great deal). You _do_ need to set the local machine to send its queries there. A *ix machine's DNS client library is configured via /etc/resolv.conf . Edit that file to have this one "nameserver" line and no other "nameserver" lines: nameserver 127.0.0.1 You also need to make sure your DHCP client software (if any) doesn't overwrite that namserver line. There are many ways to do this; the least complex is to install the "resolvconf" package. (Just install it; the DHCP client should then do The Right Thing.) From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 12:10:44 2008 From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] looking for a domain name service provider In-Reply-To: <20080821190309.GN3728@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <753362.17806.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Rick, You've expanded my knowledge and I appreciate that. And Jim, If I have the time, I'd like to help you with that. Vince Rick Moen wrote: Quoting vincent polite (vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com): > Well, I can't claim to be an authority. But since DNS is basically a > database relating the domain name to the the IP address, It doesn't > seem like it would be to hard to do. I'm not sure how it spreads > across the net. To further clarify, server-end DNS is of two types: Either your server is publishing DNS data, or it's not (and is merely fetching, providing, and caching as necessary DNS data published elsewhere). o Publishing DNS data is called running an "authoritative nameserver". o Handing other folks' DNS data is called running a "recursive nameserver". If you own a domain, you'll want to have it be served up by minimum two authoritative nameservers operating on fixed IP addresses somewhere in the world. (The RFC-recommended numbers are minimum three, maximum seven.) So, folks generally don't need to even consider operating authoritative nameservice: Only domain owners do. On the other hand, _everyone_ has reason to run a recursive (aka "recursive-resolver") nameserver on the local LAN or local machine. One reason: Not doing so throws away siginficant bandwidth and performance on the traffic overhead and delays resulting from unnecessary DNS-query transactions across your upstream link. Another reason: Security. ISP nameservers tend to have extremely bad security (and reliability, and performance). The smaller your network operation, and the less bandwidth you have to waste, the greater your advantage from a local recursive nameserver. Yet, these are the exact people whose reaction to my suggestion is inevitably "Oh, my computing's too small, simple, and slow to need a nameserver. Besides, it's too difficult to do." Here's how you turn on PowerDNS Recursor on Ubuntu: $ sudo apt-get install pdns-recursor That's it. PowerDNS Recursor is now running and will handle recursive queries posed to it, and will cache that data, saving bandwidth on repeat queries (which happen a great deal). You _do_ need to set the local machine to send its queries there. A *ix machine's DNS client library is configured via /etc/resolv.conf . Edit that file to have this one "nameserver" line and no other "nameserver" lines: nameserver 127.0.0.1 You also need to make sure your DHCP client software (if any) doesn't overwrite that namserver line. There are many ways to do this; the least complex is to install the "resolvconf" package. (Just install it; the DHCP client should then do The Right Thing.) _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080821/fabf7a77/attachment.htm From a_kleider at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 14:00:49 2008 From: a_kleider at yahoo.com (Alex Kleider) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] HP ?video card? Message-ID: <974280.9471.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is directed at Daniel: I assume you still have the HP computer you thought you might be able to configure to run X-window; My son sent me the following link which he thought might be relevant. Do you have any comments? _IF_ you think this would make the machine usefull to a worthy cause, I'd be happy to flip for it. http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/14068 alex From marksobell at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 14:24:54 2008 From: marksobell at gmail.com (Mark G Sobell) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:24:54 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] all lowercase Message-ID: <7154255d0808211424udc00168yf854d063d41913c7@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps someone in the group can suggest a solution to this problem? I am running an updated version of 64-bit KDE Ubuntu Hardy on an AMD desktop machine. Standard apps plus VMWare Workstation. When I boot, all is well. After a few hours all Linux apps (Firefox, kmail, konsole, etc.) and the virtual consoles respond to uppercase characters as though I had typed their lowercase counterparts. My smilie faces come out as :0. Within Windows and Ubuntu running under VMWare, caps work fine. None of the stty settings seems to be strange. Any thoughts as to what is going on? Thanks, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080821/d15d9986/attachment.htm From dennisharrison at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 17:54:45 2008 From: dennisharrison at gmail.com (Dennis J Harrison Jr) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:54:45 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] all lowercase In-Reply-To: <7154255d0808211424udc00168yf854d063d41913c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7154255d0808211424udc00168yf854d063d41913c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e8b29e0808211754u3c8db0f3x8038ae7ccba47b65@mail.gmail.com> Out of curiosity... What about when capslock is on? 2008/8/21 Mark G Sobell : > Perhaps someone in the group can suggest a solution to this problem? > > I am running an updated version of 64-bit KDE Ubuntu Hardy on an AMD desktop > machine. Standard apps plus VMWare Workstation. When I boot, all is well. > After a few hours all Linux apps (Firefox, kmail, konsole, etc.) and the > virtual consoles respond to uppercase characters as though I had typed their > lowercase counterparts. My smilie faces come out as :0. Within Windows and > Ubuntu running under VMWare, caps work fine. None of the stty settings seems > to be strange. Any thoughts as to what is going on? Thanks, > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > From asheesh at asheesh.org Thu Aug 21 23:07:45 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug meets monday evening from 6 PM to 8 PM In-Reply-To: References: <1211073442.6081.4.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 May 2008, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: >> I thought I'd reply to my own message to chat about the problems some of >> you saw with my ThinkPad. /sbin/badblocks tells me the hard drive has bad >> sectors, which may explain the hangs - Lenovo is shipping me out a >> replacement disk really soon (probably Tuesday or Wednesday it'll get >> here). I'm not going to power it on in the immediate future except to run >> GNU ddrescue to pull the data off. > > Asheesh, can you or anyone else explain the difference between > ddrescue and dd_rescue!!?!? I've been wondering that for a while!!! Kristian, I'm glad you asked. http://www.asheesh.org/note/sysop/ddrescue.html has a longer write-up. The short version is, "Kurt Garloff's dd_rescue is not all that useful without dd_rhelp, and you don't want to use dd_rhelp. "You want to use GNU ddrescue. The GNU stands for quality." -- Asheesh. -- I know on which side my bread is buttered. -- John Heywood From asheesh at asheesh.org Fri Aug 22 07:53:31 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] perl backup script, and other perl goodies In-Reply-To: <1219126854.48aa66463c89c@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <1219126854.48aa66463c89c@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Michael Paoli wrote: > One of the discussions that came up at the SF-LUG meeting this evening > was backups, ... including a perl backup script I'd written a while > back. I'll throw on my two cents' worth: For backups, I use a tool called dirvish. Every night, it sshs to the computers I want to back up, and it generates a directory tree like this: .../2008-08-22/tree/ .../2008-08-22/tree/etc/ .../2008-08-22/tree/etc/passwd ... That {date}/tree/ directory has a *full* snapshot of the filesystem as of the time the backup job ran. Any files that haven't changed are hard-linked to last-night's backup rather than copied, so the data are only stored once, so even though they look like full backups, the space cost is like incremental backups. It's very nice to be able to "cd" into yesterday, and it's very very nice to, when remote disks crash, just send over last night's backup. -- Asheesh. -- Learning French is trivial: the word for horse is cheval, and everything else follows in the same way. -- Alan J. Perlis From jim at well.com Fri Aug 22 09:19:06 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:19:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] perl backup script, and other perl goodies In-Reply-To: References: <1219126854.48aa66463c89c@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <1219421946.23483.111.camel@ubuntu> sorry for the idiotic question: how to get a program (shell script most likely in my case) to log in: i.e. issue a scp @: command and then respond to the password prompt? On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 07:53 -0700, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Michael Paoli wrote: > > > One of the discussions that came up at the SF-LUG meeting this evening > > was backups, ... including a perl backup script I'd written a while > > back. > > I'll throw on my two cents' worth: > > For backups, I use a tool called dirvish. Every night, it sshs to the > computers I want to back up, and it generates a directory tree like this: > > .../2008-08-22/tree/ > .../2008-08-22/tree/etc/ > .../2008-08-22/tree/etc/passwd > ... > > That {date}/tree/ directory has a *full* snapshot of the filesystem as of > the time the backup job ran. > > Any files that haven't changed are hard-linked to last-night's backup > rather than copied, so the data are only stored once, so even though they > look like full backups, the space cost is like incremental backups. > > It's very nice to be able to "cd" into yesterday, and it's very very nice > to, when remote disks crash, just send over last night's backup. > > -- Asheesh. > From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 09:45:59 2008 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:45:59 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug meets monday evening from 6 PM to 8 PM In-Reply-To: References: <1211073442.6081.4.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > Kristian, I'm glad you asked. > > http://www.asheesh.org/note/sysop/ddrescue.html has a longer write-up. The > short version is, "Kurt Garloff's dd_rescue is not all that useful without > dd_rhelp, and you don't want to use dd_rhelp. > > "You want to use GNU ddrescue. The GNU stands for quality." Good write-up on your site. Thanks! :) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen From asheesh at asheesh.org Fri Aug 22 09:50:44 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] perl backup script, and other perl goodies In-Reply-To: <1219421946.23483.111.camel@ubuntu> References: <1219126854.48aa66463c89c@webmail.rawbw.com> <1219421946.23483.111.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, jim wrote: > sorry for the idiotic question: > how to get a program (shell script most likely > in my case) to log in: i.e. issue a > scp @: > command and then respond to the password prompt? Public key authentication. See http://apt-get.dk/howto/backup/. -- Asheesh. -- It is not well to be thought of as one who meekly submits to insolence and intimidation. From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Aug 22 10:03:06 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:03:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] perl backup script, and other perl goodies In-Reply-To: References: <1219126854.48aa66463c89c@webmail.rawbw.com> <1219421946.23483.111.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20080822170306.GP3728@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Asheesh Laroia (asheesh at asheesh.org): > On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, jim wrote: > > > sorry for the idiotic question: > > how to get a program (shell script most likely > > in my case) to log in: i.e. issue a > > scp @: > > command and then respond to the password prompt? > > Public key authentication. See http://apt-get.dk/howto/backup/. I have more about that technique here: "SSH Public-Key Process" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security/ From a10cuba at hotmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:23:03 2008 From: a10cuba at hotmail.com (terry sanford) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:23:03 +0000 Subject: [sf-lug] sf-lug Digest, Vol 33, Issue 26 hp video card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i dont think i understand what your post was about .was the video card in the link what u are using and u need a better one ? i have a few good video cards if you need 1. _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/attachments/20080822/ec16cc3a/attachment.htm From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Sat Aug 23 08:28:24 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:28:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] how to get a program (e.g. shell script) to log in: e.g. respond to the password prompt? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219505304.48b02c9837a72@webmail.rawbw.com> > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:03:06 -0700 > From: Rick Moen > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] perl backup script, and other perl goodies > To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > Quoting Asheesh Laroia (asheesh at asheesh.org): > > On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, jim wrote: > > > how to get a program (shell script most likely > > > in my case) to log in: i.e. issue a > > > scp @: > > > command and then respond to the password prompt? > > Public key authentication. See http://apt-get.dk/howto/backup/. > I have more about that technique here: "SSH Public-Key Process" on > http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security/ Yes, public key authentication would typically be the preferred method. One would typically want to have the private key well secured and protected, including being encrypted with a strong passphrase - at least if that latter part is feasible for the intended usage. Another possible approach is expect. Some other languages, etc. (e.g. perl, tk), and also some utilities/programs (such as those originally designed for serial communications, such as some uucp and ppp software) also have expect modules or the equivalent, or expect or expect-like capabilities. The disadvantage with the expect type approach, is that one must somehow get expect to issue the clear text password in response to the password prompt (at least if that's how one is going to authenticate). references: ssh(1) ssh-keygen(1) ssh-agent(1) expect(1) perl(1) http://www.cpan.org/ apt-cache(1) (as in apt-cache search ...) ... From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Sat Aug 23 10:00:15 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:00:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] EveryDNS.net (and some of its plus sides and downsides) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219510815.48b0421f405bb@webmail.rawbw.com> > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:21:38 -0700 > From: Rick Moen > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] looking for a domain name service provider > To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > Message-ID: <20080821172138.GM3728 at linuxmafia.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Quoting toya (toya at linefeed.org): > > > For DNS I use everydns.net. > > Some quick comments: > > 1. As you mention, it's from the OpenDNS outfit (David Ulevich's), > which is a pretty benign and competent set of folks. It's a > free-of-charge service, which is nice.[1] > > 2. They use the authoritative-DNS portion of djbdns ("tinydns"), which > has some merits but is very peculiar, and is notorious for deliberately Yes, everydns.net. definitely has its plus sides, e.g.: o free (with certain limitations) o multiple distributed DNS servers o its funkiness is pretty well documented But yes, it has its downsides, ... most notably its funkiness. This is what I noted of its funkiness in some master zone files for balug.org (e.g. in the new.balug.org. master zone file): ; For EveryDNS.net, NOTE AT LEAST THE FOLLOWING (at least as of ; 2007-05-26): ; ; Cannot be set up and function as slave(s) until one or more of ; their nameservers have been delegated as an NS via a chain of ; authority from the root nameservers. ; ; WILL NOT ACCEPT/LOAD ALL VALID RR TYPES (is not running BIND) ; ; LIMITS TO 200 THE TOTAL NUMBER OF RECORDS it will load for free for ; any given account or domain. ; ; ENFORCES CERTAIN MINIMUM TTLs. ; ; FAILs TO ACCEPT TCP CONNECTIONS on ns[123].everydns.net. Among ; other things this would likely impact larger records and responses ; to queries where all the data (e.g. multiple records) could not fit ; within a single UDP reply. ; ; DOES WORK (including answering queries) with TCP on: ; ns4.everydns.net. ; ; Accepts but ignores notify ; ; Will pick up zone updates at most once per hour (and presumably ; only if SOA serial number indicates there's been an update). ; ; Some of these items can be checked with: ; http://www.dnsreport.com/ ; and/or other tools. ; ; For more information, also check under: ; http://www.everydns.net/ > not implementing parts of the real-world DNS protocols that its author, > Daniel J. Bernstein, for whatever reason dislikes. I see that EveryDNS > doesn't support "NTFY" (Notify), for example. Thus, if you update the > contents of your DNS on your authoritative server, EveryDNS's secondary > service will ignore the Notify advisory that your primary nameserver > sends out. Instead, they brute-force their software to automatically > re-contact the primary nameservers every hour on the hour, and override > the "expire", "retry", and "refresh" specs you put in the zone header. > This is squirrely: When you update your DNS, there's no excuse for > secondaries refusing to take notice. You should not have to put up with > that. > > Ulevich is well aware of that problem. It speaks well for him that he's > up-front about that. Quoting the FAQ: "EveryDNS violates rfc1034 by > ignoring your SOA parameters. We unconditionally poll every hour on the > hour, no matter what refresh and retry parameters you list. This might > possibly be interpretted as a Bad Thing." > > It's not his fault. It's because he's using Dan Bernstein's software. > > Other demented peculiarities of djbdns/tinydns/etc. are noted in the > djbdns entry within "DNS Servers" on > http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Network_Other/ > > [1] Supporting the service through donations is tactfully but pointedly > suggested. From usr.bin.sh at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 18:11:13 2008 From: usr.bin.sh at gmail.com (Usr Bin Sh) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:11:13 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] how to get a program (e.g. shell script) to log in: e.g. respond to the password prompt? Message-ID: <109760a70808231811x628ceaey93653a16ea5a9d68@mail.gmail.com> In bash you can use (and such sequence works for telnet, ftp): theuser=someuser pword=secrect tout=3 (sleep ${tout}; echo ${theuser}; sleep ${tout}; echo ${pword}; sleep ${tout}; echo "pwd"; sleep ${tout}; echo "exit") | telnet host.name.com it doesn't work for ssh/scp, but may work for some legacy applications. And yes, as previously was noted:using ssh/scp with passwordless key is preferable. Search google "ssh passwordless key" e.g. this link has nice description: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Passwordless_ssh_logins.html -- /usr/bin/sh.pavel > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:28:24 -0700 > From: Michael Paoli > Subject: [sf-lug] how to get a program (e.g. shell script) to log in: e.g. respond to the password prompt? > To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > Message-ID: <1219505304.48b02c9837a72 at webmail.rawbw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:03:06 -0700 >> From: Rick Moen >> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] perl backup script, and other perl goodies >> To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> >> Quoting Asheesh Laroia (asheesh at asheesh.org): >> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, jim wrote: >> > > how to get a program (shell script most likely >> > > in my case) to log in: i.e. issue a >> > > scp @: >> > > command and then respond to the password prompt? >> > Public key authentication. See http://apt-get.dk/howto/backup/. >> I have more about that technique here: "SSH Public-Key Process" on >> http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security/ > > Yes, public key authentication would typically be the preferred method. > One would typically want to have the private key well secured and > protected, including being encrypted with a strong passphrase - at least > if that latter part is feasible for the intended usage. > > Another possible approach is expect. Some other languages, etc. (e.g. > perl, tk), and also some utilities/programs (such as those originally > designed for serial communications, such as some uucp and ppp software) > also have expect modules or the equivalent, or expect or expect-like > capabilities. The disadvantage with the expect type approach, is that > one must somehow get expect to issue the clear text password in response > to the password prompt (at least if that's how one is going to > authenticate). > > references: > ssh(1) > ssh-keygen(1) > ssh-agent(1) > expect(1) > perl(1) > http://www.cpan.org/ > apt-cache(1) (as in apt-cache search ...) > ... From jim at well.com Sun Aug 24 00:25:55 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:25:55 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] OpenMoko In-Reply-To: <48B0F565.2080300@openmoko.org> References: <598ed5ff0807290743q74636e40mca3f5a0aea072a72@mail.gmail.com> <1217393502.10905.393.camel@ubuntu> <48908F4E.9040509@sfsu.edu> <48B0F565.2080300@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <1219562755.22670.30.camel@ubuntu> sf-lug has over 200 names on its mailing list. their interests and backgrounds vary. there's been some discussion about openmoko, so i'm sure there are at least a few people who'd like to know about a local group. fire away, please. jim On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 22:45 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Sameer, thanks for putting Jim in touch with me. > > I've just joined sf-lug and hope to get involved. > > Jim, there is a local openmoko group getting together in a couple of > weeks. Would it be appropriate to mention it here? > > In general, what would you all be interested in? > > Michael > > Sameer Verma wrote: > > jim wrote: > >> linuxworld is this coming week, august 5 > >> through august 7. there'll be some exhibitors > >> and activities re openmoko there. > >> i'm interested in this, hoping there are > >> integration possibilities that openmoko lends > >> to linux and other FOSS systems. > >> > >> > >> > > OpenMoko will be at LinuxWorld. Here's a thread about the same. > > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022409.html > > > > I've copied Michael Shiloh on this reply, who is spearheading the presence. > > > > Sameer > > > From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Aug 24 02:41:26 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:41:26 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] EveryDNS.net (and some of its plus sides and downsides) In-Reply-To: <1219510815.48b0421f405bb@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <1219510815.48b0421f405bb@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20080824094125.GE8472@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Michael Paoli (Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu): [everydns.net:] > ; For EveryDNS.net, NOTE AT LEAST THE FOLLOWING (at least as of > ; 2007-05-26): > ; > ; Cannot be set up and function as slave(s) until one or more of > ; their nameservers have been delegated as an NS via a chain of > ; authority from the root nameservers. > ; > ; WILL NOT ACCEPT/LOAD ALL VALID RR TYPES (is not running BIND) I cherish the irony of my rising to the defence of DJB's tinydns. (In 1999, after administering qmail professionally for a while, I posted on my personal Web pages the reasons why I don't enjoy administering the man's software, because I was tired of repeating those reasons. My doing so lead to Prof. Bernstein sending me what was tantamount to a lawsuit threat, my being maligned by name in the gentleman's qmail pages, and my becoming the semi-official devil figure of DJB groupies everywhere.) tinydns _should_ be able to handle all RR types, because there is a generic data type that should accomodate any arbitrary RRs, including those not officially supported. My rundown on all DNS servers for Linux, including djbdns (which includes tinydns) is here: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/dns-servers.html Of course, if you say it can't, I do believe that your experience at least suggests that limitation -- and there might be something about the EveryDNS implementation that creates that problem even though it should not be present in tinydns per se. I would not personally run tinydns in its present state (unmaintained for seven years running, with a large number of third-party patches available that may or may not be compatible and meet one's needs). > ; ENFORCES CERTAIN MINIMUM TTLs. That is a serious sin. Notice that, also, ISP nameservers are notorious for overruling domains' TTL (time to live) values for no better reason than slightly reducing ISPs' bandwith cost on (usually necessary, useful) DNS zone updates. That always struck me as a sufficient reason to not use ISP nameservers or _any other_ nameservers that cannot be bothered to do the job correctly -- and overriding TTL values is just not a good sign. > ; FAILs TO ACCEPT TCP CONNECTIONS on ns[123].everydns.net. Heh. Oh boy. That is a classic symptom of running DJB's tinydns software. (Just to be clear on this, a separate DJB daemon called axfrdns _does_ support TCP-type queries, and, no, not just for AXFR zonefile transfer requests. Maybe everydns.net elect not to run it? Dunno.) > ; DOES WORK (including answering queries) with TCP on: > ; ns4.everydns.net. Might be that they run the axfrdns daemon only there. > ; Accepts but ignores notify Classic tinydns behaviour. Again, please see my rundown page. > ; Will pick up zone updates at most once per hour (and presumably > ; only if SOA serial number indicates there's been an update). Again, classic djbdns failing. (There are optional, third-party scripts that they could elect to run, to fix this problem.) I honestly cannot understand anyone being willing to outsource authoritative DNS to people who screw it up, that way. (Again, I think that David Ulevich's "OpenDNS" people, who run Everydns.net, are being quite generous, and are very competent. There are merely built-in compromises in what they're willing to do for people.) The sensi