[sf-lug] [Fwd: Boycott Windows Media Center]

John Reilly jr at inconspicuous.org
Sun Jun 15 20:02:38 PDT 2008

Note, as a WMC user I have seen drm protection being enabled before on 
other channels and it has been removed fairly quickly when people 
complain - removed by the broadcaster, not microsoft (afaik).

Tom Haddon wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:30 -0700, John Reilly wrote:
>> This is really more an issue about content owners trying to control when 
>> and how you watch their content, in this case NBC.  If people really 
>> care about watching NBC content at a time that is convenient to them, 
>> they should complain to NBC - they are really the ones whose "mind" you 
>> need to change regarding drm use.
> Yes and no. How are NBC implementing this? In this case, Microsoft are
> implementing it for them, despite it not being legal (I don't mean to
> say what they're implementing is illegal - I don't pretend to know
> enough about the legal issues to know). So the question is, why are they
> doing that? If NBC were a big a powerful company and Microsoft were a
> small and un-influential company you could argue it was all NBC's doing.
> But that's not exactly the situation here. There's no reason why
> Microsoft should be "bullied" into doing this by NBC... So again, why
> are they doing it?
> I agree that NBC should be complained to to figure out why they're doing
> this, but unless Microsoft is as well, what's to stop them from doing
> similar agreements with other companies?
> Just my 2c.
> Tom
>> just my 2c
>> jr
>> jim wrote:
>>> from defective by design... 
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>>> To:  james  stockford <jim at well.com>
>>> Subject: Boycott Windows Media Center
>>> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:31:08 -0400
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>>> Boycott Windows Media Center
>>> Take action:
>>>   * Digg the BadVista.org blog post:
>>>     <http://digg.com/microsoft/Don_t_give_Microsoft_the_remote_control_fight_against_DRM>.
>>> Microsoft is using DRM to prevent users from saving certain television
>>> shows to their hard drive. Saving such streams is a normal feature
>>> that comes with Windows Media Center, but they have locked you out of
>>> it for NBC television shows and others. They claim that they are just
>>> following FCC regulations -- but the Second Circuit Court of
>>> Appeals ruled that the FCC has no authority to make such
>>> regulations. The truth is Microsoft is just power hungry and making
>>> use of DRM wherever and whenever they can in order to secure media 
>>> deals for themselves and lock in their customers.
>>> BadVista.org is covering the story on their blog, asking users to
>>> abandon Microsoft products. To help, we are putting out this call for
>>> a boycott of Windows Media Center. When broadcast flags spell out DRM,
>>> then we've got to put our foot down.
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