From colinross at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 15:10:45 2007 From: colinross at gmail.com (Colin Ross) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:10:45 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] CCSF Unix/Linux Courses Message-ID: I know -- long time no see -- but I have been following the news around sflug, just haven't been able to stop by with work, etc etc etc. hope you all had a wonderful holiday and happy new year.-c Unix/Linux Courses @ City College Of San Francisco Classes Start Jan 17th *Note*: Be sure to read the prerequisite pagefor important information regarding CS Department course prerequisites. CS 160A. Introduction to Unix/Linux (2 units) -- Read More About This Course! Introduction to the Unix operating system. Unix file management and common utilities. Major Unix features and structural overview. CSU /UC CS 160B. Unix/Linux Shell Scripting (2 units) -- Read More About This Course! Prerequisite: CS 160A Analyze, create, write, and debug Unix shell scripts. Students review basic scripting techniques and develop scripting skills needed for Unix System Administration courses. CSU /UC CS 161. C for Unix and Linux (3 units) -- Read More About This Course! Prerequisite: CS 160A Advisory: CS 110Aor 111Aor 112Aor 113Aor other previous programming experience Computer programming using the C language on Unix and Linux systems. Recommended for students who are studying the Unix and Linux operating systems and who have had some previous programming experience. Standard C header files and Unix documentation are used to implement solutions to programming problems. The Unix compilation system is used and issues about building commonly available software packages are discussed. CSU CS 162. Linux Installation (1 unit) Prerequisite: CS 160A The study and practice of the minimal administration skills needed to install a standard Linux or Open Source Unix distribution on a personal computer. An actual installation is perforrmed, either on the student's own computer or on a classroom computer. Alternate sections may install different distributions. An overview is given of Unix/Linux courses for further study. Credit/No Credit Grading CS 260A. Unix/Linux System Administration (3 units) -- Read More About This Course! Prerequisite: CS 160B Examination of the skills necessary to effectively perform the basic responsibilities of a Unix/Linux system administrator such as setting up new users, monitoring system activity, configuring the startup process, managing the file system, performing backups, and maintaining security. Shell programming is used as an aid for automating system administration tasks. CSU CS 261A. Unix/Linux Systems Programming (3 units) -- Read More About This Course! Prerequisite: CS 161 An overview of Unix/Linux system calls, the functions in the standard library, which access the lowest level resources of the Unix/Linux operating system. Emphasis is on writing programs for controlling file I/O, terminal I/O and buffering characteristics, process handling, signal handling, pipes, file locking, network-based inter-process communication using sockets, and RPC. This course provides concrete examples of the Unix/Linux system call interface using the C and/or C++ programming language. CSU CS 261B. Advanced Unix/Linux Systems Programming (3 units) Prerequisite: CS 261A An advanced course in programming of Unix systems. Emphasis is on writing advanced programs for controlling processes. this course provides advanced examples of the Unix system call interface using the C programming language. CSU CS 262. Unix/Linux Network Programming (3 units) -- Read More About This Course! Prerequisite: CS 161and 260A An overview of Unix/Linux system calls, the functions in the standard library, which access the lowest level resources of the Unix/Linux operating system. 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Don?t miss this rare opportunity to meet one of the visionary architects and personalities responsible for creating the essential underpinnings of the Internet! Kahn will be interviewed by Museum Trustee Ed Feigenbaum, a computer scientist known worldwide for his pioneering work in the field of artificial intelligence. This promises to be an insightful evening to be sure. Please RSVP. We look forward to having you with us. Pertinent details follow below. Computer History Museum Presents: An Evening with Robert Kahn, in conversation with Ed Feigenbaum Where Computer History Museum Hahn Auditorium 1401 N. Shoreline Blvd. Mountain View, CA 94043 Directions When ?? Tuesday, January 9, 2007 6 - 7 pm Member Reception Wine provided by The Mountain Winery -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Winery_logo.gif Type: image/gif Size: 1962 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- 7 - 9 pm Lecture Registration ?? Free. Suggested donation of $10.00 at the door from non-members. To register or for more information on the event, please visit the Museum's Web site at http://www.computerhistory.org/kahn_01092007 or Call (650) 810-1005. From colinross at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 12:12:24 2007 From: colinross at gmail.com (Colin Ross) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:12:24 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: CCSF Unix/Linux Courses In-Reply-To: <604709.99939.qm@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <604709.99939.qm@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No, not a teacher vincent ;) just picking up some classes there and thought i'd add it to the discussion.. c -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Mon Jan 8 22:00:22 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:00:22 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: CCSF Unix/Linux Courses In-Reply-To: References: <604709.99939.qm@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3751ae5d5ffd836fc8e870bac017a50c@well.com> are you taking these classes? if so, do you like/recommend them? glad to hear from you, by the way, hope you're well. On Jan 8, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Colin Ross wrote: > No, not a teacher vincent ;) > ?just picking up some classes there and thought i'd add it to the > discussion.. > c > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From nbs at sonic.net Wed Jan 10 12:14:43 2007 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:14:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070110201443.GA17086@sonic.net> On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 10:42:50PM -0700, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > I've been coming to the last couple of SF-LUG meetings, so I thought I'd > introduce myself to the list. I'm a technology intern at Creative Commons > this summer, and I'm heading back to Rochester, NY, on August 12. Hey Asheesh -- yes, I know, 6+ months later I reply. :) I'm esp. interested in Creative Commons content, as my project "Tux Paint" is always in need of additional artwork and photographic imagery. In fact, I just put together a draft of a press release that I'll be sending out soon that's a call for volunteers/contributions... and in fact mention Creative Commons and MediaWiki's Wiki Commons. I think I'll include a link to the "find" URL you had posted, to help get things rolling. Anyway, thanks for your work! -bill! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ From jim at well.com Wed Jan 10 21:39:06 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:39:06 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: [AlamedaW] AW Quarterly Meeting - next Thursday (a week), January 18th Message-ID: in case anyone's interested in this bunch's wifi efforts all across the alameda island. > Hi, All, > > Our AW Quarterly Meeting will be held at the AW "Meeting Hall" (La > Val's > Pizza) next Thursday (a week). > > Date: > Thursday, January 18, 2007 > > Time: 7:30 PM > > Location: AW54 > .. . . otherwise known as: > La Val's Pizza Parlor > Island Shopping Center > (intersection of Island Drive and McCartney Road) > Bay Farm Island > > Everyone is encouraged to attend - particularly new members - so that > you > can meet many of the AW members and discuss any issues you wish and > enjoy > some great pizza and wireless networking camaraderie. > > We will discuss our recent survey at the Oakland Airport, and if we are > lucky, we may have some pilots present to fill us in on the details of > what > they are planning at the airport.. We have a number of new members > and we > need to discuss how we can bring these new members onto the AW network. > > As always, I would appreciate RSVPs from everyone, so that Dan can > effectively plan for our tables at La Val's. > > I look forward to seeing you all next Thursday (a week)! > > > Pete > BlueSkye4 at alamedanet.net > > ___________________________________________________________ > Alameda Wireless mailing list - alameda at alamedawireless.org > http://alamedawireless.org/mailman/listinfo/alameda > IRC CHAT: irc://alamedawireless.org/alamedawireless > From jim at well.com Wed Jan 10 22:19:52 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:19:52 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Linux Sys Admin Opportunities from Sarah Message-ID: <27f718b1df2c6f0fd4a12651f0aaf83c@well.com> these two job postings look okay to me: sarah's contact info is at bottom. > Linux Systems Administrator: Palo Alto, CA > Exciting opportunity for mid to senior level Linux systems > administrator to join IT Operations & Infrastructure team of one of > the fastest growing software companies on the planet. You will be > responsible for administering a high availability environment and > manage a multi-server network consisting of Linux and Windows servers. > You will also work closely with the Software Development, Client > Services, Implementation and Support teams to meet business and > technical demands. > > Responsibilities > * Administer multiple Linux servers running in high availability. > * Configure and install new Linux systems/machines > * Shell scripting to automate aspects of performance monitoring and > system tuning > * Linux system performance tuning and support. > * Install patches, configure machines, and provide overall support for > Linux systems > * Serve as an escalation point beyond the IT Service (Help) Desk to > resolve problems reported against any production Linux server and/or > service > * Ensure that Linux system back-ups are performed > * Implement tools to monitor Linux system performance > * Assist, as necessary, with the administration of the Windows server > environment > > Requirements > * Minimum 5 years systems administration experience, preferably in a > larger enterprise type environment. > * Minimum 3 years experience administering Linux based systems (RedHat > preferred) > * Solid experience with & knowledge of Apache Web server, Sendmail, > and Postfix, > * Excellent Bourne shell & Perl scripting abilities. > * Proven experience with supporting enterprise applications such as > Oracle Financials and Oracle databases running on Linux > * Ideal candidates will have experience with technologies including > Windows 2000/2003 Active Directory, Exchange 2000/2003, ghost, DHCP, > DNS and WINS server > * Strongly prefer experience as a Lead or Senior Linux Systems > Administrator supervising other system administrators > * Experience in deploying systems on Storage Area Networks > * DNS, NIS, and NFS implementation and support experience > > Education > * 4-year degree in Computer Science or related field of study > * Appropriate certifications > > 6 month contract-to-hire position. > ------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------------------------------------ >> Senior Systems Administrator: Brisbane, CA >> Exciting position for Senior systems administrator with a strong >> background in Linux or Solaris, to support wholly owned subsidiary of >> enterprise scale e-commerce client. >> >> Primary Job Responsibilities: >> * Support and collaborate with development team on product >> architecture and capacity planning. >> * Work together with systems administrators and engineering to resolve >> technical and capacity issues on the site. >> * Project manage cross departmental tasks and projects, maintain >> accurate documentation. >> * Provide tactical support of over 2000 production Linux / Unix / >> Windows servers. >> * Support the 24x7 uptime requirement for this site, participate in >> on-call rotation. >> * Work with Network Operations Center to resolve site issues. >> * Work with Business development in deployment of new architecture and >> applications. >> * Provide performance tuning and automation for applications, systems >> and network. >> >> Job Requirements: >> * Experience running large applications, with a 100% uptime >> requirement in large scale distributed environments. >> * Extensive experience administering Linux/Solaris environments >> focusing on production stability (BIND, Apache/Tomcat, >> Sendmail/Postfix), deployment (cfengine, Jumpstart, Kickstart), >> centralized authentication (LDAP, Kerberos), et cetera. >> * In depth knowledge of how web services work. >> * Perl programming and shell scripting at an advanced level, ability >> to use Perl/shell scripts to automate routine tasks. Additional >> experience with Expect and "C" programming a plus. >> * Proven leadership / technical troubleshooting abilities. >> * An understanding of Sarbanes-Oxley 404 IT compliance. >> * Strong hardware and software diagnostics skills. >> * Excellent oral and written communication skills, able to produce >> written documentation for a technical and non-technical audience. >> * Adaptability to work quickly and change directions as priorities >> change. >> * Self starting and highly motivated. >> * Significant build/release experience a plus >> >> Ability to be on call rotationally, 1 wk every 6 weeks >> >>> My name is Sarah Takahashi; I am a technical recruiter with The >>> Armada >>> Group. I would like to let folks know about a great >>> Linux sys admin opportunity that I have available in Brisbane. >>> _______________________ >>> Sarah Takahashi >>> The Armada Group, Inc. >>> Software & IT Consulting >>> 831-458-4936 direct >>> 831-459-6554 fax >>> sarah at thearmadagroup.com >>> ? From jim at well.com Wed Jan 10 22:57:13 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:57:13 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: GoFish Searches for IT Admin! Message-ID: <4fb69b7d54fe2e1146bc94d03971b38a@well.com> this one is pretty MSFT heavy, but seems real--i.e. willing to pay at least standard wages (located in S. F. and includes linux and linux-related skills: > Posting for my ops team here at GoFish here in San Francisco. > jessie at gofish.com > > Go Fish is growing our Ops team! www.gofish.com > IT Administrator > ? > Responsibilities > ? Installation, configuration, and administration of servers, > workstation and laptops on corporate LAN. > ? Support monitor, test, and troubleshoot hardware and software > problems pertaining to LAN > ? Operating Systems: Windows XP/2000/2003 Linux Fedora, MacOS > ? Setup and administration of Active Directory and Microsoft > networking > ? Technical support for corporate users (workstations, printers, > software, security, antivirus, patching) > ? Inventory tracking for IT assets > ? Perform data backups and recoveries > ? Administration of Exchange > ? Maintains system software licensing > ? On-call responsibilities outside of normal business hours 24x7 > ? Additional responsibilities are assigned as needed > ? > Required Experience and Skills > ? Computer Information Systems degree or related degree, or have 4+ > ears relevant experience > ? Extensive experience with laptop and desktop computer hardware > (PC?s and Macs). > ? 3+ years experience installing and supporting Microsoft Windows > 2000/2003/XP and Microsoft office is essential > ? 1+ years experience installing and administering UNIX/Linux systems > ? Good working knowledge of TCP/IP and basic routing protocols. DNS, > POP, IMAP, SMTP, NTP, Samba > ? A strong Attention to detail, customer service experience, and > excellent communications skills are essential. > ? You must be will and self motivated to learn new technologies > ? Must possess strong troubleshooting and problem solving skills > ? Ability to work on multiple projects simultaneously and meet > challenging deadlines > ? > Desired Experience and Skills > ????????? Cisco and or Microsoft Certification preferred > ????????? Experience managing Cisco networking and security devices > (PIX, Catalyst switches, routers) > ????????? Plus Exchange or similar groupware collaboration tool > > Jessie Rose Garrehy > GoFish Corporation > http://www.gofish.com > m: 510.459.4153 From jim at well.com Wed Jan 10 22:24:04 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:24:04 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Linux Panel Discussion announced for Jan 25th - Santa Clara CC Message-ID: <0bcc572c108973afed0b9813bdca83c2@well.com> > the technical conference called the Real-Time & Embedded Computing > Conference (RTECC) will be at the Santa Clara Convention Center on > Thursday, January 25th (its completely free to attend) and we've got a > new Linux Panel Discussion?that I thought you and your members might > enjoy.? Here's a?snapshot for your review.? For a guest badge?or more > info?::: www.rtecc.com/santaclara. Walk in guests are welcome as well. > ? > ============================================== > 9:45 ? 11:15 am?????Panel Discussion?? > LINUX...THE FUTURE IS NOW > presented by FSM Labs? President and CEO, Mr. Victor Yodaiken > ? > Listen in on this influential group of Linux Experts as they discuss > the convergence and interoperability of Linux Enterprise and devices > using multi-core, virtualization, synchronization and security > technologies.???Moderated by Bill Weinberg, President of Linux Pundit > ? > Panelists include: > Victor Yodaiken ::: President & CEO of FSMLabs and creator of RTLinux > Rajive Joshi ::: ? Principal Software Engineer with Real-Time > Innovations > Moiz Kohari ::: ? Director of Real Time Solutions with Novell, and > former CEO of Mission Critical Linux > Marc Miller ::: ?Strategic Alliance Manager with Advanced Micro > Devices (AMD) > David Rivas ::: Chief Technology Officer with a la Mobile > Michael Ticse ::: VP of Business Dev. with Velankani Communications > Technologies > ? > About the?moderator::: > Mr. Bill Weinberg brings over 18 years open systems, embedded, and > other IT experience to his Independent Analyst / Consultancy at > Linuxpundit.com.? Previously, he worked as Senior Analyst and Mobile > Linux / Carrier Grade Linux Initiative Manager at Open Source > Development Labs.? Prior to OSDL, Mr. Weinberg was a founding > team-member at MontaVista Software, helping establish Linux as the > favored platform for next-generation intelligent device development. > He also worked at Lynx Real-Time Systems, Acer Computer, and Microtec > Research. Today Mr. Weinberg is known for his writing and speaking on > topics that include Open Source licensing, international adoption of > Linux, embedded/real-time computing, application porting/migration, > and Linux-based consumer applications. He is a regular contributor > periodicals like to LinuxUser, ComputerWorld, and Enterprise Open > Source, and a frequent speaker at open source and mobile events around > the world. > ============================================== > ? > Please post or share the open invitation?with your members?if you feel > its appropriate.? > ? > Happy New Year, and we hope to welcome you and your colleagues on > January 25th, > ? > Best - Sally > > Sally Bixby??~? The RTC Group > office/ +1 503.274.8005??? cell/ +1 949.547.2885 > Int'l Marketing Manager / Event Production Manager > Real-Time & Embedded Computing Conferences (RTECC)?www.rtecc.com > > COMING in FEB '07!??MVA Communications Ecosystem > Conference?(MVACEC)??www.mvacec.com From jim at well.com Sat Jan 13 08:55:32 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:55:32 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Meeting Monday night at Javacat Message-ID: <5eb160f305e8b57c25ac97108a5164cf@well.com> Monday night, from 6 to 8 PM at the Javacat in SF on Geary Blvd at 20th Ave see ya From jim at well.com Tue Jan 16 07:12:39 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:12:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] UUID seems unique for each partition Message-ID: i ran dumpe2fs /dev/hda{1,2,3,4,5} and got unique UUIDs for partitions 1,2, and 5 and for 3 (swap) i got "no magic number..." and for 4 (the extended partition) i got "...too short...." And the UUID for 1,2,5 was really different--no obvious pattern (e.g. part of the number would be the same or some incrementation...). it surprises me no end that each partition has its own UUID, as i was sure the manufacturer provided this for each device. if i make more partitions, something is going on (with fdisk?) that creates a new UUID, yes? thanks, jason, for showing how to use UUID= as a label in /etc/fstab jim From eklitzke.lists at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 07:49:02 2007 From: eklitzke.lists at gmail.com (Evan Klitzke) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:49:02 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] UUID seems unique for each partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168962542.2785.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 07:12 -0800, jim stockford wrote: > i ran dumpe2fs /dev/hda{1,2,3,4,5} and got unique > UUIDs for partitions 1,2, and 5 and for 3 (swap) i got > "no magic number..." and for 4 (the extended partition) > i got "...too short...." And the UUID for 1,2,5 was really > different--no obvious pattern (e.g. part of the number > would be the same or some incrementation...). > it surprises me no end that each partition has its own > UUID, as i was sure the manufacturer provided this for > each device. if i make more partitions, something is > going on (with fdisk?) that creates a new UUID, yes? Jim, The UUID for a partition is generated when you create a filesystem on that device. So if you were to run mke2fs on one of the partitions again, the UUID would change. For this reason, I am not a really big fan of using UUIDs to mount volumes. In the past I have resized partitions and consequently had the UUID of that partition change, and thus had to boot off a live CD to fix the /etc/fstab entry. IMHO, it is better to use labels than UUIDs. All you have to do then is keep the label the same if you change the partition layout. It is also useful if you have a lot of partitions, and forget which ones are supposed to be mounted where (as I do sometimes), in which case using descriptive labels can be very helpful. -- Evan Klitzke From jturner at nonzerosums.org Tue Jan 16 15:08:27 2007 From: jturner at nonzerosums.org (Jason Turner) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:08:27 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] UUID seems unique for each partition In-Reply-To: <1168962542.2785.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1168962542.2785.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Evan Klitzke wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 07:12 -0800, jim stockford wrote: >> i ran dumpe2fs /dev/hda{1,2,3,4,5} and got unique >> UUIDs for partitions 1,2, and 5 and for 3 (swap) i got >> "no magic number..." and for 4 (the extended partition) >> i got "...too short...." And the UUID for 1,2,5 was really >> different--no obvious pattern (e.g. part of the number >> would be the same or some incrementation...). >> it surprises me no end that each partition has its own >> UUID, as i was sure the manufacturer provided this for >> each device. if i make more partitions, something is >> going on (with fdisk?) that creates a new UUID, yes? > > Jim, > > The UUID for a partition is generated when you create a filesystem on > that device. So if you were to run mke2fs on one of the partitions > again, the UUID would change. For this reason, I am not a really > big fan > of using UUIDs to mount volumes. In the past I have resized partitions > and consequently had the UUID of that partition change, and thus > had to > boot off a live CD to fix the /etc/fstab entry. > > IMHO, it is better to use labels than UUIDs. All you have to do > then is > keep the label the same if you change the partition layout. It is also > useful if you have a lot of partitions, and forget which ones are > supposed to be mounted where (as I do sometimes), in which case using > descriptive labels can be very helpful. > > -- > Evan Klitzke Hmmm, disk labels! Perhaps that would work for me too, though I'm not clear on how a label gets mapped(physically) to a partition? Good info though. A little background on why this topic came up... and why I currently use disk UUID in my menu.lst and fstab. I recently installed Ubuntu 6.06 onto my IBM Thinkpad A31p laptop. All went well until I tried using Ubuntu while the laptop was in my docking station. A host of problems began there. The most serious one(Ubuntu would not boot) is what led me to this thread and the UUID "fix", http:// ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1257154. Long story short -- when out of my dock, my Ubuntu(well Kubuntu now but I digress) boot partition is on /dev/hda2. That's right, I'm dual booting the machine with Windows(boo, hiss, still necessary). Anyways, when IN dock, udev and it's magic say the boot partition is now on /dev/hde2. By replacing the /dev/hd*2 boot entry with UUID, I'm able to use a single entry in menu.lst and fstab that works, whether in our out of dock. I'm skipping all kinds of info that can be found in the above thread if you're still curious. BTW, Fedora Core 5 didn't have this problem(and I think now it may have been using disk labels) but I forget. Anyone with an FC5 LIVE CD could check this. Ubuntu 6.10 supposedly does things a bit differently too, so if anyone running it could tell us... I had a few more questions around my fstab entries too(swap device / UUID entry, Windows partition entry, SSHFS entry...) but I'll save that for our next mtg or another thread. It's been a steady stream of lessons getting this to work. And it sounds like I have much more to learn. Fun! -- jt From eklitzke.lists at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 18:38:44 2007 From: eklitzke.lists at gmail.com (Evan Klitzke) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:38:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] UUID seems unique for each partition In-Reply-To: References: <1168962542.2785.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1169001524.2546.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 15:08 -0800, Jason Turner wrote: > Hmmm, disk labels! Perhaps that would work for me too, though I'm > not clear on how a label gets mapped(physically) to a partition? > Good info though. I'm not sure, but I *think* the way that it works, is there is some allocated space at a magic location at the beginning of the filesystem that stores the UUID/label information. This also makes sense when you realize that not all filesystems (only ext2/3 and swap AFAIK) support labels. In grub you specify something like "root (hd0,5)" and then grub boots using that device and whatever path the kernel is at. Grub doesn't know anything about UUIDs/labels at all. The kernel sees that it has an argument saying root=LABEL=... or root=UUID=... and the kernel has code that lets it understand how to read and find a label/UUID, and it looks at all the filesystems on your drive and figures out which one matches the root= parameter you specified. > BTW, Fedora Core 5 didn't have this problem(and I think now it may > have been using disk labels) but I forget. Anyone with an FC5 LIVE > CD could check this. Ubuntu 6.10 supposedly does things a bit > differently too, so if anyone running it could tell us... I am using Fedora, and it uses labels by default. Ubuntu uses UUIDs (and I don't think it applies labels to the filesystems unless you manually did that). Functionally they're both very similar though. > I had a few more questions around my fstab entries too(swap device / > UUID entry, Windows partition entry, SSHFS entry...) but I'll save > that for our next mtg or another thread. It's been a steady stream > of lessons getting this to work. And it sounds like I have much more > to learn. Fun! I'm glad you're having fun :-) -- Evan Klitzke From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Wed Jan 17 17:14:47 2007 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 17 Jan 2007 20:14:47 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Job Posting Message-ID: <10120554.1169082902918.JavaMail.cfservice@webserverb1> Location: Menlo Park Duration: Full Time Perm Pay: 100k - 120k *Looking for candidates that LOVE video games* ? Self-motivated ? creative ? able to write code for a compiler and for your co-workers ? knowledgeable about client/server systems ? knowledgeable about Linux ? knowledgeable about high level programming in C++, especially with the STL ? knowledgeable about scripting languages ? motivated to make things better. Everyone wants to write new code; we need someone who can also improve old code. Desired Qualification/Skills: ? knowledge of asynchronous (aka event-driven) programming ? knowledge of Perl, PHP, or other interesting languages ? knowledge about web site infrastructure *Looking for candidates that LOVE video games* If interested please give me a call or shoot me your resume and I will get right back to you. Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com 415-788-8488 Best Regards, Blake M. Haggerty Technical Recruiter Sapphire Technologies Phone #415-788-8488 Fax #415-788-2592 The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from reading, printing, duplicating, disseminating or otherwise using or acting in reliance upon this information. 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A press release is available that contains the full 'Call for Contributions', which can be seen here: http://www.tuxpaint.org/latest/call-for-contributors-200701.php3 To quote the beginning: The Tux Paint project [ http://www.tuxpaint.org/ ] is seeking contributions of new content to be included in the next release of their award-winning Open Source drawing software for children. Volunteers with skills in photography, image manipulation and drawing are sought to help expand Tux Paint's collection of "rubber stamp" imagery (pre-drawn and photorealistic objects that can be placed in drawings) and coloring-book-style "starter" templates (scenes which can be colored and stamped upon). ... Please feel free to Cc me (bill at newbreedsoftware.com), so I can keep track of who has been contacted, to try and prevent contacting people and groups multiple times. ;^) Also, even if you're not a photographer, and are no good with pen, pencil, ink, mouse or tablet, you can probably help contribute. There are a lot of freely available works (e.g., photographs on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons) that need to be hunted, cropped and otherwise edited for Tux Paint's purposes! Thanks in advance for your help! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From jim at well.com Sun Jan 21 09:38:28 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:38:28 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] real time embedded computing conference january 25 Message-ID: Real-Time & Embedded Computing Conference Santa Clara Convention Center Thursday, January 25, 2007 Free http://www.rtecc.com/santaclara heavy linux content. get as guest badge or just show up and walk in. From jim at well.com Sun Jan 21 09:45:47 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:45:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] hey, recruiters! Message-ID: <1009cd6b64bfd53a733cc75633d3744c@well.com> or should that be "hey, hey, recruiters! what's anyone's interest in having one or more recruiters speak at the Javacat? me, i'm interested to know what's the job market like these days, how to present myself, what areas for study and self- improvement, yada yada. note, this coming meeting (sunday February 4, among other things we'll look at Bobbie's box--with Jason as special featured analyst. jim From johnlowry at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 12:15:15 2007 From: johnlowry at gmail.com (John ) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:15:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Cisco's iPhone Message-ID: <528b20610701231215w52f874cenca6ee999a5f98d75@mail.gmail.com> Cisco got busted again violating the GPL and so not they are forced to fess up. This going to mean third party development for their phone. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/software/cisco-responds-to-iphone-gpl-clusterlovemaking--open-source-wifi-phone-coming-230570.php -- John Lowry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 23 13:52:39 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:52:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Cisco's iPhone In-Reply-To: <528b20610701231215w52f874cenca6ee999a5f98d75@mail.gmail.com> References: <528b20610701231215w52f874cenca6ee999a5f98d75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070123215238.GA16328@linuxmafia.com> Quoting John Lowry (johnlowry at gmail.com): > Cisco got busted again violating the GPL and so not they are forced to fess > up. This going to mean third party development for their phone. > > http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/software/cisco-responds-to-iphone-gpl-clusterlovemaking--open-source-wifi-phone-coming-230570.php Wow, imagine a cheap pocket-sized WiFi smartphone capable of doing not just vendor-written SIP but also running other arbitrary VoIP code of your choosing, forever. Cool. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Linksys+WIP300 Pity it's not dual-use: You can't cancel your cellular subscription, quite yet. ;-> From sverma at sfsu.edu Tue Jan 23 14:51:09 2007 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:51:09 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Cisco's iPhone In-Reply-To: <20070123215238.GA16328@linuxmafia.com> References: <528b20610701231215w52f874cenca6ee999a5f98d75@mail.gmail.com> <20070123215238.GA16328@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <45B6915D.5050503@sfsu.edu> Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting John Lowry (johnlowry at gmail.com): > > >> Cisco got busted again violating the GPL and so not they are forced to fess >> up. This going to mean third party development for their phone. >> >> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/software/cisco-responds-to-iphone-gpl-clusterlovemaking--open-source-wifi-phone-coming-230570.php >> > > Wow, imagine a cheap pocket-sized WiFi smartphone capable of doing not > just vendor-written SIP but also running other arbitrary VoIP code of > your choosing, forever. Cool. > > http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Linksys+WIP300 > > Pity it's not dual-use: You can't cancel your cellular subscription, > quite yet. ;-> > > In a complementary vein is the Neo1973/OpenMoko. It is network unlocked at $350 (ships in March per this announcement http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html) and except for the GSM and GPS bits, all other software ("the stack") is going to be open source. It doesn't have Wi-Fi, but does have Bluetooth. Discussions on their list suggests that Wi-Fi might be coming in a subsequent release. http://www.openmoko.com/ Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 23 16:23:49 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:23:49 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Cisco's iPhone In-Reply-To: <45B6915D.5050503@sfsu.edu> References: <528b20610701231215w52f874cenca6ee999a5f98d75@mail.gmail.com> <20070123215238.GA16328@linuxmafia.com> <45B6915D.5050503@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <20070124002349.GC16328@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu): > In a complementary vein is the Neo1973/OpenMoko. It is network unlocked > at $350 (ships in March per this announcement > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html) > and except for the GSM and GPS bits, all other software ("the stack") is > going to be open source. Looking forward to it. Meanwhile, You might enjoy this post about the _other_ iPhone: From rick Tue Jan 23 16:21:13 2007 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:21:13 -0800 To: Dire Red , Cheryl Morris , Karsten Self Subject: Desperately seeking an Apple iPhone because... 1. Its pervasive DRMing will prevent me from stupidly deciding to put on it any code that Apple, Inc. doesn't specifically allow me to, ever. Jobs in NY Times explains everything: "These are devices that need to work, and you can't do that if you load any software on them." Yes, Uncle Steve! I believe! I believe! And Dan Gillmor is the Antichrist: http://sf.backfence.com/news/showPost.cfm?myComm=PA&bid=4219 2. Other parts of the DRM will lock me into the benevolent GSM cartel indefinitely, even after my contract expires. Whee! 3. Non-replaceable batteries rock. 4. Proprietary USB connectors are super-cool. 5. I love being locked into an expensive mandatory 2-year contract (not including data service) with an inadequate and oversubscribed GSM cartel. 6. I have nothing better to do with that $500-600 initial dollop of cash, anyway, and the pain will help toughen me up for AT&T^WCingular^WAT&T's invoices, later. From asheesh at asheesh.org Tue Jan 23 18:19:00 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:19:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [sf-lug] Introduction In-Reply-To: <20070110201443.GA17086@sonic.net> References: <20070110201443.GA17086@sonic.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Bill Kendrick wrote: > Hey Asheesh -- yes, I know, 6+ months later I reply. :) No problem, I've replied to mails years after they were sent. (-: > I'm esp. interested in Creative Commons content, as my project "Tux > Paint" is always in need of additional artwork and photographic imagery. > In fact, I just put together a draft of a press release that I'll be > sending out soon that's a call for volunteers/contributions... and in > fact mention Creative Commons and MediaWiki's Wiki Commons. I think > I'll include a link to the "find" URL you had posted, to help get things > rolling. For what it's worth, I'm so interested in Creative Commons that I'm planning to come back to San Francisco and be a software developer with them full time around July! Glad to have helped you with the "find" URL, and hope to see you guys again in a few months! -- Asheesh. -- Television has proved that people will look at anything rather than each other. -- Ann Landers From bill at wards.net Wed Jan 24 11:58:51 2007 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:58:51 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] PenLUG tomorrow night - brainstorming & business meeting Message-ID: <3d2fe1780701241158h7629c872n150c25e735d38587@mail.gmail.com> Join us tomorrow at 7pm for a special PenLUG meeting. Instead of our usual format, where we bring in a speaker to present on a particular topic, we will have an open agenda format where we can brainstorm and discuss the future of PenLUG, how you can participate, and how we can collaborate better with other LUGs. Anyone who has any Linux-related topics to share - your latest discovery, questions, or whatever - please bring it! Location as usual will be Twin Pines Park in Belmont. The meeting starts at 7pm, Thursday January 25. Refreshments (beverages and pizza) courtesy of Open Country. Free book giveaway (including earlybird drawing for those who are present at 7 sharp!). We will return to our regular format next month with a presentation by Gumstix. From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Wed Jan 24 16:21:18 2007 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 24 Jan 2007 19:21:18 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Job opportunity Message-ID: <23855858.1169684485569.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> OPEN POSITION Must Love Video Games!! PAY: NEG ( company usually pays very good) Start: ASAP FULLtime Perm Location: Menlo Park Operations Engineer Looking for a talented Operations engineer to maintain and extend the datacenters currently supporting over 6 million registered users with 250,000 concurrent users. We need a bright and experienced team member who will work daily with Development, Quality Assurance, Marketing and Sales to stay ahead of our rapid growth. Your skills, knowledge and efforts will be an integral part of our continued success. This position is based in Menlo Park, CA, and is walking distance from CalTrain with easy access to highway 101, downtown Palo Alto and Menlo Park. RESPONSIBILITIES: - Evaluate, specify, configure, install and maintain servers and systems to support the services - Support an international gaming service with web and application servers that are rock solid and available 24x7 - Provide guidance and technical assistance to other employees on hardware, software, protocols and applications when necessary QUALIFICATIONS: - Expertise with installing and configuring Linux (Fedora Core 2 / CentOS) - Experience designing and deploying server environments with 24x7 availability - Experience with common TCP protocols (ex: http, ssh, scp, telnet) and associated applications - Experience with extremely high traffic services ( 6,000,000+ members) - Able to quickly learn from a team, and then teach them a thing or two - Able to work seamlessly with engineers and non-engineers - You solve problems. You love puzzles, tests, and challenges. You get them solved quickly and elegantly - Experience with shell scripting, nagios monitoring and BigIP type load balancers is a plus - Experience with web design (HTML, javascript, AJAX) is a plus Best Regards, Blake M. Haggerty Technical Recruiter Sapphire Technologies Phone #415-788-8488 Fax #415-788-2592 The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from reading, printing, duplicating, disseminating or otherwise using or acting in reliance upon this information. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender at Sapphire Technologies immediately, delete this information from your computer and destroy all copies of the information. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jan 25 01:45:51 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:45:51 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] (forw) RSA Conference - Free Pass Message-ID: <20070125094551.GG32407@linuxmafia.com> Passing along. ----- Forwarded message from Mak Bakhtegan ----- From: Mak Bakhtegan Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:50:51 -0800 Subject: RSA Conference - Free Pass Dear All, Want to go to the RSA Conference (Feb. 5 - 9) in San Francisco at the Moscone Center? Visit: www.rsaconference.com/2007/US/ and enter code: EXH7QUA Regards Mak -- ================= Mak Bakhtegan mak.bakh at gmail.com 408-483-5188 ================= ----- End forwarded message ----- From jim at well.com Fri Feb 2 19:10:15 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:10:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] meeting this sunday, February 4, at the Javacat 11 AM Message-ID: What could be better than spending a beautiful Super Bowl Sunday at the Javacat talking techy stuff? In San Francisco, on Geary at 20th, from 11 AM till 1 PM. jim From rondosxx at yahoo.com Sat Feb 3 09:56:22 2007 From: rondosxx at yahoo.com (ron) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:56:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] Monthly meeting at Javacat Cafe is tomorrow Message-ID: <575505.76330.qm@web52503.mail.yahoo.com> Since I haven't seen a reminder about the LUG meeting tomorrow Feb 4 at Javacat, I'm posting one. I think it's at 11. If I'm wrong will someone please correct me. See you there! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From jim at well.com Sat Feb 3 10:23:00 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:23:00 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Monthly meeting at Javacat Cafe is tomorrow In-Reply-To: <575505.76330.qm@web52503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <575505.76330.qm@web52503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Ron! you're right! tomorrow, Sunday, at the Javacat on Geary at 20th, from 11 to 1 PM. (i tho't i'd sent out a reminder. i sometimes lose my mind.) On Feb 3, 2007, at 9:56 AM, ron wrote: > Since I haven't seen a reminder about the LUG meeting > tomorrow Feb 4 at Javacat, I'm posting one. I think > it's at 11. If I'm wrong will someone please correct > me. See you there! > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Mon Feb 5 19:07:28 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:07:28 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Unix / Linux Sys Admin Job Posting Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: "Joe Cabe" > Date: February 5, 2007 5:05:09 PM PST > To: > Subject: Unix / Linux Sys Admin Job Posting > > MongoNet, Inc is a fast growing hosted scanning communications company > based in San Francisco's North Beach. The company turns the world's > fax machines into searchable PDF scanners with no hardware and no > software. The patented service enjoys software margins, delivers > pt-to-pt customer marketing with every transmission, and is billed > monthly based on usage. > ? > We are looking for a Unix Admin..? Please take a look at the following > job description and let me know if you are interested in learning > more. > ? > Systems Administrator & Network Specialist > Job Qualifications: > ? UNIX systems administration tasks. CPU, disk and memory > utilization management. > ? Application support for enterprise services. Apache, Cacti, > CFEngine, RedHat/CentOS. > ? Fault management configuration and maintenance. > ? Service and process documentation. > ? PERL, Shell scripting. PHP a plus. > ? Rotating 24X7 On-call support. > ? Perform operational readiness analysis of new products and > services. > ? Work with external partners and vendors on new applications and > existing services. > ? Other duties as assigned. > Job Responsibilities: > ? 3 - 5 Years experience in the systems/applications support arena. > ? Substantial networking experience: design to implementation to > troubleshooting. TCP/IP, VLANs, Spanning-Tree, OSPF, IPSEC, T1, Cisco. > Juniper/NetScreen, Foundry a plus. You should be intimately familiar > with the TCP/IP protocol stack, as well as use of tools such as SNMP > and tcpdump to monitor activity/diagnose problems. > ? UNIX -- Solaris, Linux and BSD are all acceptable. The more the > better. > ? Scripting with PERL, shell (of your choice). PHP is a plus. > ? Ability to learn quickly and adapt to an ever evolving > network/system. > ? Expert understanding of TCP/IP. > ? Excellent communication skills. > ? Strong understanding of Internet services and principles. DNS, > E-mail, HTTP. > ? Knowledge of telephony including TDM and packet based circuits a > plus. > ? Ability to manage projects through their entire life cycle. > ? Self-motivated and eager to learn. > Keywords: > ? Perl, Bash, GPG, S/MIME, PHP, Apache, Linux, CentOS, TCP/IP, > tcpdump, ethereal, DS3, T1, RBS, Postgres, MySQL, Win2K3 AD, NIS, YP, > Netscreen, Cisco, Juniper, Foundry, Sun/Solaris, NetApp, SAN, EMC, > Clarion. From jim at well.com Thu Feb 8 06:42:02 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:42:02 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] job posting--linux administrator Message-ID: Position: Sr. Linux System Administrator Location: Mountain View Pay: $60-$65 Per hour Position type: 3-6 month contract (possible contract to hire) Company: Large Security Company Info: Superior knowledge of networking and distributed computing environments and concepts Currently 300 Systems running Redhat Linux. (Open to other flavors of Linux) Adding and Updating Servers Network Management experience Superior shell scripting and experience with command line utilities such as sed and awk AIX experience is a huge plus. If you are interested please send me a copy of your resume ASAP. Blake Haggerty Blake.Haggerty at sapphire.com 415-788-8488 x215 From sverma at sfsu.edu Thu Feb 8 15:44:43 2007 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:44:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Cisco's iPhone In-Reply-To: <20070124002349.GC16328@linuxmafia.com> References: <528b20610701231215w52f874cenca6ee999a5f98d75@mail.gmail.com> <20070123215238.GA16328@linuxmafia.com> <45B6915D.5050503@sfsu.edu> <20070124002349.GC16328@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <45CBB5EB.2080007@sfsu.edu> Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu): > > >> In a complementary vein is the Neo1973/OpenMoko. It is network unlocked >> at $350 (ships in March per this announcement >> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html) >> and except for the GSM and GPS bits, all other software ("the stack") is >> going to be open source. >> > > Looking forward to it. Meanwhile, You might enjoy this post about the > _other_ iPhone: > I met Rick (in person for the first time) at SVLUG last night, so this thread is a bit revived. The OpenMoko project is gathering some steam. There is also an effort by the GPE folks to do a phone edition. If you can play a VMWare image, here's an image for the Phone Edition. http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/gpephone Another project, called xoo [http://projects.o-hand.com/xoo] allows you to look at other environments using xnest (I think...) and someone has a xoo environment for the OpenMoko phone. http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/weblog//archives/2007/01/#e2007-01-21T19_51_01.txt cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From jim at well.com Sat Feb 10 19:41:27 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:41:27 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Unix / Linux Sys Admin Job Posting Message-ID: <65fd0667e53f9ac0e721f9b99b5909e1@well.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Joe Cabe" > Date: February 5, 2007 5:05:09 PM PST > To: > Subject: Unix / Linux Sys Admin Job Posting > > MongoNet, Inc is a fast growing hosted scanning communications company > based in San Francisco's North Beach. The company turns the world's > fax machines into searchable PDF scanners with no hardware and no > software. The patented service enjoys software margins, delivers > pt-to-pt customer marketing with every transmission, and is billed > monthly based on usage. > ? > We are looking for a Unix Admin..? Please take a look at the following > job description and let me know if you are interested in learning > more. > ? > Systems Administrator & Network Specialist > Job Qualifications: > ? UNIX systems administration tasks. CPU, disk and memory > utilization management. > ? Application support for enterprise services. Apache, Cacti, > CFEngine, RedHat/CentOS. > ? Fault management configuration and maintenance. > ? Service and process documentation. > ? PERL, Shell scripting. PHP a plus. > ? Rotating 24X7 On-call support. > ? Perform operational readiness analysis of new products and > services. > ? Work with external partners and vendors on new applications and > existing services. > ? Other duties as assigned. > Job Responsibilities: > ? 3 - 5 Years experience in the systems/applications support arena. > ? Substantial networking experience: design to implementation to > troubleshooting. TCP/IP, VLANs, Spanning-Tree, OSPF, IPSEC, T1, Cisco. > Juniper/NetScreen, Foundry a plus. You should be intimately familiar > with the TCP/IP protocol stack, as well as use of tools such as SNMP > and tcpdump to monitor activity/diagnose problems. > ? UNIX -- Solaris, Linux and BSD are all acceptable. The more the > better. > ? Scripting with PERL, shell (of your choice). PHP is a plus. > ? Ability to learn quickly and adapt to an ever evolving > network/system. > ? Expert understanding of TCP/IP. > ? Excellent communication skills. > ? Strong understanding of Internet services and principles. DNS, > E-mail, HTTP. > ? Knowledge of telephony including TDM and packet based circuits a > plus. > ? Ability to manage projects through their entire life cycle. > ? Self-motivated and eager to learn. > Keywords: > ? Perl, Bash, GPG, S/MIME, PHP, Apache, Linux, CentOS, TCP/IP, > tcpdump, ethereal, DS3, T1, RBS, Postgres, MySQL, Win2K3 AD, NIS, YP, > Netscreen, Cisco, Juniper, Foundry, Sun/Solaris, NetApp, SAN, EMC, > Clarion. From jim at well.com Sat Feb 10 20:20:53 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:20:53 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Introducing A Book And Podcast For Newcomers To Linux Message-ID: <933336d1462da15788970fc25839cbf6@well.com> this slipped by me for a while. > Hi SF-LUG, > > I'm Marland Dunn and I love using the Linux graphical desktop and my > mission in life is to bring awareness and help with the adaptation and > acceleration of Linux on desktop computers worldwide. This is why I > started a podcast and wrote a book on using Linux on a desktop > computer for newcomers to Linux. > > Linux Desktop For Beginners is an introduction to Linux and Open > Source Software written to give a quick, but thorough overview and > understanding of the Linux desktop in the easiest possible fashion.? > > Linux on the Desktop (Linux Desktop For Beginners) Podcast is a > podcast for people new to Linux that focuses exclusively on how to use > Linux on a desktop computer. The Linux on the desktop Podcast only > talks about how to use Linux on a desktop computer and not news and > events. This is what makes Linux on the desktop Podcast different. > > My goal with Linux Desktop For Beginners and Linux on the Desktop > Podcast is to help people new to Linux become comfortable and > confident using Linux on a desktop computer by supplementing and > complimenting each other. > > Linux Desktop For Beginners is available at www.lulu.com/content/504889 > > Go to the Linux on the desktop Podcast web site at > www.linuxonthedesktop.org to download the podcast episodes, read the > show notes, join the Linux on the desktop Community Frappr Map and > learn more. > > ?Linux and Open Source bring the world closer by using software with > Freedom and Choice.? > > Cordially, > > Marland Dunn > mardunn at verizon.net > www.linuxonthedesktop.org From jim at well.com Sat Feb 10 20:22:07 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:22:07 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: UG News--February is Web Design and Development Month at O'Reilly Message-ID: <99baa22010c81ccf1419326c281a7c55@well.com> > Hi, > > It's Web Design and Development Month here at O'Reilly and we just put > together a special resource page dedicated to web development > essentials > including books, PDF Short Cuts, articles, and author events: > http://www.oreilly.com/go/webdev > > Don't forget your members can receive 35% off any of these titles when > they use discount code DSUG on our site. There's also free ground > shipping in the US on orders over $29.95. > > Happy FebWeb, > > Marsee > > ================================================================ > O'Reilly > 1005 Gravenstein Highway North > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > http://ug.oreilly.com/ http://ug.oreilly.com/creativemedia/ > ================================================================ > From jim at well.com Sat Feb 10 20:44:47 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:44:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Google job postings (3 of 'em) Message-ID: >> Suzanne Stevens is a Recruiter for the Google.com (SRE) team at >> Google.??? >> ? >> She has opportunities in this group: three positions open in the >> following locations: >> in the USA in Mountain View (California), Santa Monica (California), >> New York (New York) and Kirkland (Washington) as well as Dublin >> (Ireland) and Zurich (Switzerland).? "We can relocate you." >> ? >> http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/answer.py?answer=23594 >> http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/answer.py?answer=23591 >> http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/answer.py?answer=54492 >> ? >> "If you are interested, send me an email so we can schedule a time >> for me to call and speak with you to discuss the details."? >> Suzanne C. Stevens >> SRE/Google.com Recruiting Team >> GOOGLE >> Google, Inc. >> 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway >> Mountain View, CA? 94043 >> 650-253-1045 >> From jim at well.com Mon Feb 12 13:14:51 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:14:51 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Google Job Posting -- System Software and Firmware Message-ID: Software Engineer - System Software and Firmware - Mountain View, CA ______________________________________________________ Google needs world-class software engineers to help develop one of the world's largest and most impressive Linux cluster deployments for our Web search engine, as well as our many other services. The Systems Software Platforms group is constantly evaluating new hardware options to power Google's increasing portfolio of services. We are looking for experienced system software engineers with a strong hardware background and extensive experience with PC-class motherboards to help us bring-up and support new hardware platforms. Your responsibilities will include new chipset and component evaluation, hardware bring-up, BIOS-level development and debugging, as well as supporting and developing a large number of platform-specific tools. Requirements: . BS or MS in Computer Science or Electrical Engineering . 5+ years experience with PC-class hardware and chipsets . Significant experience in system bring-up and board-level debugging . Extensive knowledge of PC BIOS internals . Experience in hardware/firmware testing and validation . Knowledge of Unix/Linux environments, and device driver development . Extensive experience programming in C, C++, assembler and scripting languages . Knowledge of PCI/PCI-X protocols is desired ____________________________________________ Please ONLY apply if you meet the requirements to this job profile. email cinde at google.com with a formatted attachment of your resume. This position is available in Mountain View, CA (Relocation assistance will be provided.) If you are interested in other Google opportunities, please check us out at http://www.google.com/jobs/. Why Google? http://labs.google.com/why-google.html http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2007/snapshots/ 1.html Google is an Equal Employment Opportunity / Affirmative Action Employer From jim at well.com Tue Feb 13 09:32:35 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:32:35 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Google Job Posting -- Software Engineer, Machine Failure Analysis Message-ID: <8c3c7b614a3d2ffa07b30addce86e392@well.com> > Software Engineer, Machine Failure Analysis - Mountain View, CA > ________________________________________________________ > > Google's Platform Group is interested in understanding and remedying > hardware and software failures in our compute platform. We are looking > for > engineers passionate about analyzing large amounts of data for trends, > discovering root causes of failures, and recommending solutions. > > Software Engineer, Machine Failure Analysis > > This position is available in Mountain View, CA > (Relocation assistance will be provided.) > > Responsibilities: > ? Analyze failure data to extract significant trends > ? Work with various internal customers to determine how to best > prepare and > display the information they need to see > ? Write tools to help analyze machine failure data > ? Work with hardware and software engineers to determine root causes of > failures and make recommendations for remedies > > Desired Skills: > ? Familiarity with hardware failures in standard PC servers > ? Familiarity with software failures in a Linux or other environments > ? Statistics background > ? Data mining and/or machine learning experience > > Requirements: > ? B.S. / M.S. Computer Science/Engineering. PhD is welcome > ? Well-rounded background in computer systems: both hardware and > software > ? Demonstrated skills analyzing large volumes of data > ? Strong programming skills (preferably in C++) > _______________________________________________________ > > Please ONLY apply if you meet the requirements to this job profile. > > email cinde at google.com with a formatted attachment of your > resume. If you are interested in other Google opportunities, please > check > us out at http://www.google.com/jobs/. > > Why Google? > http://labs.google.com/why-google.html > http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2007/snapshots/ > 1.html > > Google is an Equal Employment Opportunity / Affirmative Action Employer From jim at well.com Tue Feb 13 09:34:18 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:34:18 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Google Job Posting -- Software Engineer, Compilers Message-ID: > Software Engineer, Compilers - Mountain View, CA > ______________________________________________________ > > Software Engineer, Compilers > > This position is available in Mountain View, CA > (Relocation assistance will be provided.) > > Google?s Platforms Group is looking for experienced compiler engineers > to > join several of our efforts towards building the world's most effective > computing platform. We are particularly interested in individuals who > excel > at compiler design and implementation. The ideal candidates will be > able to > help us improve the Gnu toolchain (gcc / glibc / binutils) in one or > both of > two ways: > > 1. Improve overall performance of our code base by analyzing > performance > bottlenecks, then designing and implementing changes to the tool chain > that > would relieve those bottlenecks. Possible projects include improving > inter-procedural, in-lining, profile-driven, post-link, or > whole-program > optimization > > 2. Improve overall productivity of our programmers by identifying > programming errors that could have been detected by static analysis, > then > designing and implementing changes to the tool chain that would catch > those > errors as early as possible > > Demonstrable experience in at least one of the following areas: > ? Compiler design and code optimization > ? Performance debugging and optimization of large C++ applications > ? Static code analysis > > Requirements: > ? Knowledge of Gnu C/C++ internals and standard library implementations > ? Deep understanding of computer architecture > ? Familiarity with x86 and x86_64 assembly and Linux internals > ? Design of performance tools > ____________________________________________ > > Please ONLY apply if you meet the requirements to this job profile. > email cinde at google.com with a formatted attachment of your > resume. If you are interested in other Google opportunities, please > check > us out at http://www.google.com/jobs/. > > Why Google? > http://labs.google.com/why-google.html > http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2007/snapshots/ > 1.html > > Google is an Equal Employment Opportunity / Affirmative Action Employer From jim at well.com Tue Feb 13 09:35:43 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:35:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Google Job Posting -- System Test Development Message-ID: <9578cd216acb2bed0090d6a1280db600@well.com> > Software Engineer, System Test Development - Mountain View, CA - > Full-time > __________________________________________________________ > > Software Engineer, System Test Development > > This position is available in Mountain View, CA (Relocation assistance > will > be provided.) > > Play a key role in the development of one of the world's most > impressive > computing infrastructures! Google is looking for outstanding Software > Developers to design, procure, and build test platforms as part of > Google's > world-class server team. > > Responsibilities: > ? Use your software engineering experience to produce discrete > programs to > test Google platforms products > ? Based on product specifications, use your expertise to design, > procure and > build test platforms to support new and existing hardware designs > ? Analyze, troubleshoot and perform root cause failure analysis on > identified systems. Drive issues to closure with preventive measures > ? Work with contract manufacturers for all test process issues, > including > Process readiness and ongoing issue resolution > ? Develop automated test scripts for functional test, installation, and > burn-in > ? Drive cost reduction by value engineering current test process > ? Train datacenter technicians on troubleshooting of new hardware > ? Monitor test capacity and yields > ? Mentor junior team members ? Some travel may be required > > Qualifications: > ?BS/MS in EE, CS or equivalent (Ph.D. a plus) > __________________________________________________________ > > Please ONLY apply if you meet the requirements to this job profile. > email cinde at google.com with a formatted attachment of your > resume. If you are interested in other Google opportunities, please > check > us out at http://www.google.com/jobs/. > > Why Google? > http://labs.google.com/why-google.html > http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2007/snapshots/ > 1.html > > Google is an Equal Employment Opportunity / Affirmative Action Employer From jim at well.com Tue Feb 13 10:09:48 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:09:48 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] meeting monday 6 PM at the javacat Message-ID: i hope i'll have a few latest distros by monday--no promises, depends on the supplier getting them in the mail to me before holiday close-down. 6 PM till 8 PM at the javacat on geary at 20th in SF. anybody interested in getting the Red Hat study group going? jim From jim at well.com Tue Feb 13 11:51:30 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:51:30 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Blake Haggerty at the sf-lug meeting monday 6 PM at the javacat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: note Blake Haggerty promises to be at our Monday PM meeting (at the javacat) to talk about a recruiter's view of the job market and job applicants and also answer your questions. On Feb 13, 2007, at 10:09 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > i hope i'll have a few latest distros by > monday--no promises, depends on the > supplier getting them in the mail to me > before holiday close-down. > > 6 PM till 8 PM at the javacat on geary > at 20th in SF. > > anybody interested in getting the Red > Hat study group going? > jim > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Tue Feb 13 11:56:32 2007 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 13 Feb 2007 14:56:32 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Monday Meeting at The Javacat. Message-ID: <27883175.1171396590845.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> I definitely will be at the meeting on Monday. I would love to hear form the list any questions that you may have about the job market or process just so I can be better prepared for Monday... Best Regards, Blake M. 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URL: From jim at well.com Wed Feb 14 17:24:09 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:24:09 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] job posting -- cluster storage software engineer, Lawrence livermore lab Message-ID: <30ceaa4926ba7b47d03466dd847b00a7@well.com> > *Cluster Storage Software Engineer, on site at Lawrence Livermore > National Laboratory, Livermore, CA. Salary $100,000 to $110,000 doe. > > Cluster File Systems, Inc. (CFS) designs and develops large scale data > storage software used on the world's largest supercomputers. > > Position is on site at LLNL working with LLNL engineer in support of > Lustre filesystem, contributing to bug fixing and training and > knowledge transfer with LLNL engineers. > > Requires 5+ years of advanced system administration and/or software > development experience with Linux; development experience with gcc > compiler; creating and applying patches with diff, patch, quilt; > TCP/IP networking; experience with high performance networks like Elan > and InfiniBand; 3+ years of Linux kernel file system development > experience. > > Skills: > * *development experience with Linux kernel, VFS* > * *technical experience with Lustre filesystem* > * *experience with SEI PSP and TSP* > * *works well as a trainer/coach to other engineers to learn Lustre > filesystem* > * *US citizenship reacquired* > > *Candidates should send CV to ned at clusterfs.com.. See > www.clusterfs.com for more information. > * From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Feb 14 17:24:39 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:24:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] job posting -- cluster storage software engineer, Lawrence livermore lab In-Reply-To: <30ceaa4926ba7b47d03466dd847b00a7@well.com> References: <30ceaa4926ba7b47d03466dd847b00a7@well.com> Message-ID: <20070215012439.GA8982@linuxmafia.com> Forwarded by jim stockford (jim at well.com): > > *Cluster Storage Software Engineer, on site at Lawrence Livermore > > National Laboratory, Livermore, CA. Salary $100,000 to $110,000 doe. [...] > > * *US citizenship reacquired* ^^^^^^^^^^ Oh, do tell. ;-> -- Cheers, "Here, sanity ... niiiiiice sanity, come to daddy ... okay, Rick Moen that's a good sanity ... {*THWONK!*} _Got_ the bastard." rick at linuxmafia.com --AdB From jim at well.com Wed Feb 14 17:31:43 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:31:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] job posting -- cluster storage software engineer, Lawrence livermore lab In-Reply-To: <20070215012439.GA8982@linuxmafia.com> References: <30ceaa4926ba7b47d03466dd847b00a7@well.com> <20070215012439.GA8982@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: probably was outsourced On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Forwarded by jim stockford (jim at well.com): > >>> *Cluster Storage Software Engineer, on site at Lawrence Livermore >>> National Laboratory, Livermore, CA. Salary $100,000 to $110,000 doe. > [...] >>> * *US citizenship reacquired* > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Oh, do tell. ;-> > > -- > Cheers, "Here, sanity ... niiiiiice sanity, come to daddy > ... okay, > Rick Moen that's a good sanity ... {*THWONK!*} _Got_ the > bastard." > rick at linuxmafia.com --AdB > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From johnlowry at gmail.com Thu Feb 15 12:12:10 2007 From: johnlowry at gmail.com (John ) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:12:10 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Great book and an idea Message-ID: <528b20610702151212sef3a1acnfb53ed98f532ccfa@mail.gmail.com> I have been reading PGP&GPG: Email for the Practical Paranoid and if you want to read a book about protecting your privacy and a good introduction to encryption in gnereal I highly recommend it. It also got me thinking that something we could do as a group is hold a Key-Signing Party. Just a thought. -- John Lowry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krmdv at aim.com Tue Feb 13 23:22:44 2007 From: krmdv at aim.com (krmdv at aim.com) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:22:44 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Monday Meeting at The Javacat. In-Reply-To: <27883175.1171396590845.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> References: <27883175.1171396590845.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> Message-ID: <8C91E200E2AA3EA-1C08-1E90@WEBMAIL-MC18.sysops.aol.com> I will be attending this Monday's meeting. I was able to snag a bunch of Fedora CD's from our Red Hat Mountain View office. I have a bunch of x86 DVD's and a couple PPC DVD's. I will bring as many as I have with me this Monday. Cheers! DK David Kramer, RHCE Solutions Architect Red Hat, Inc. c: 650.302.7889 -----Original Message----- From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:56 AM Subject: [sf-lug] Monday Meeting at The Javacat. I definitely will be at the meeting on Monday. I would love to hear form the list any questions that you may have about the job market or process just so I can be better prepared for Monday... Best Regards, Blake M. Haggerty Technical Recruiter Sapphire Technologies Phone #415-788-8488 Fax #415-788-2592 The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from reading, printing, duplicating, disseminating or otherwise using or acting in reliance upon this information. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender at Sapphire Technologies immediately, delete this information from your computer and destroy all copies of the information. Thank you. _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Thu Feb 15 21:25:31 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:25:31 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Great book and an idea In-Reply-To: <528b20610702151212sef3a1acnfb53ed98f532ccfa@mail.gmail.com> References: <528b20610702151212sef3a1acnfb53ed98f532ccfa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0168b570b357e13d438251b7e2a8bdee@well.com> count me in the key-signing party, please. i'd like to feel less confused about this stuff. On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:12 PM, John wrote: > I have been reading PGP&GPG: Email for the Practical? Paranoid and if > you want to read a book about protecting your privacy and a good > introduction to encryption in gnereal I highly recommend it. It also > got me thinking that something we could do as a group is hold a > Key-Signing Party . Just a thought. > -- > John Lowry > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From sverma at sfsu.edu Fri Feb 16 07:59:43 2007 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:59:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Great book and an idea In-Reply-To: <0168b570b357e13d438251b7e2a8bdee@well.com> References: <528b20610702151212sef3a1acnfb53ed98f532ccfa@mail.gmail.com> <0168b570b357e13d438251b7e2a8bdee@well.com> Message-ID: <45D5D4EF.3010904@sfsu.edu> jim stockford wrote: > count me in the key-signing party, please. > i'd like to feel less confused about this stuff. > I'd jump in as well for a key signing party. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 08:39:31 2007 From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:39:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] Great book and an idea In-Reply-To: <45D5D4EF.3010904@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <20070216163931.33461.qmail@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What's a key signing? Sameer Verma wrote: jim stockford wrote: > count me in the key-signing party, please. > i'd like to feel less confused about this stuff. > I'd jump in as well for a key signing party. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Fri Feb 16 09:25:09 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:25:09 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] monday sf-lug meeting 6:00 at the javacat Message-ID: <7b2307c3efd017ae84a1976071ce7d10@well.com> reminder--always great discussions. be there! Geary at 20th avenue in SF from 6 PM till 8 PM. From johnlowry at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 09:27:11 2007 From: johnlowry at gmail.com (John ) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:27:11 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Great book and an idea In-Reply-To: <20070216163931.33461.qmail@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45D5D4EF.3010904@sfsu.edu> <20070216163931.33461.qmail@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <528b20610702160927uea7c815sdfeb95f18bcd4244@mail.gmail.com> A key signing party is a way for people who use the OpenPGPstandard to encrypt to data to verify that the person that signed a message is really who they say they are. You generate your keys, the things you use to verify who you are and encrypt the info, before hand and upload the public key to a server on the internet. Then, at the party, people prove to you who they are and let you know their fingerprint of their keys. Then, after the party you sign their keys with your key. This extends what is called the Web of Trust, because anyone who may not trust that person will see that you have signed the key. This is over simplified and quite possibly not entirely correct and I am sure we will talk about it more when it comes time to create keys and what to do. Anyone who is more knowledgeable about this stuff please speak up, I am on the edge of my computer skills here. On 2/16/07, vincent polite wrote: > > What's a key signing? > > *Sameer Verma * wrote: > > jim stockford wrote: > > count me in the key-signing party, please. > > i'd like to feel less confused about this stuff. > > > I'd jump in as well for a key signing party. > > Sameer > > -- > Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Information Systems > San Francisco State University > San Francisco CA 94132 USA > http://verma.sfsu.edu/ > http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -- John Lowry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cathjone at eskimo.com Fri Feb 16 10:57:07 2007 From: cathjone at eskimo.com (Catherine Jones) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:57:07 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Great book and an idea In-Reply-To: <20070216163931.33461.qmail@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070216163931.33461.qmail@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1171652227.7722.22.camel@east> On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 08:39 -0800, vincent polite wrote: > What's a key signing? Wikipedia has article that helped me some with the concept of public-key crytography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography There's a section in the article on trust called: "4.5 Associating Public Keys with Identities." What we will be doing Monday, I guess, is establishing small "web of trust" - i.e. associating public keys with known people in a face-to-face setting. Catherine From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Feb 16 12:54:48 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:54:48 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Great book and an idea In-Reply-To: <1171652227.7722.22.camel@east> References: <20070216163931.33461.qmail@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1171652227.7722.22.camel@east> Message-ID: <20070216205448.GK8982@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Catherine Jones (cathjone at eskimo.com): > What we will be doing Monday, I guess, is establishing small "web of > trust" - i.e. associating public keys with known people in a > face-to-face setting. Sure. gpg implements that concept as opposed to the centralised model used by "certificate" systems such as TLS/SSL. Sorry I can't attend, but I'll be at a Guy Gavriel Kay reading at Kepler's Books, that evening. But these might help: "Zimmermann-Sassaman Protocol" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security/ "GnuPG Lecture" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security/ -- Cheers, "Here, sanity ... niiiiiice sanity, come to daddy ... okay, Rick Moen that's a good sanity ... {*THWONK!*} _Got_ the bastard." rick at linuxmafia.com --AdB From johnlowry at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 14:28:12 2007 From: johnlowry at gmail.com (John ) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:28:12 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Great book and an idea In-Reply-To: <20070216205448.GK8982@linuxmafia.com> References: <20070216163931.33461.qmail@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1171652227.7722.22.camel@east> <20070216205448.GK8982@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <528b20610702161428t2713b6eej4500c7a1ca29843f@mail.gmail.com> FYI the key signing party that I was talking about was not planned for Monday. We can definitely talk about how it will work and what is actually done. Again, people who have more familarity with this stuff please, please, please point stuff out that gets stated incorrectly. Anyway, hope to see you guys there. On 2/16/07, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Catherine Jones (cathjone at eskimo.com): > > > What we will be doing Monday, I guess, is establishing small "web of > > trust" - i.e. associating public keys with known people in a > > face-to-face setting. > > Sure. gpg implements that concept as opposed to the centralised model > used by "certificate" systems such as TLS/SSL. > > Sorry I can't attend, but I'll be at a Guy Gavriel Kay reading at > Kepler's Books, that evening. But these might help: > "Zimmermann-Sassaman Protocol" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security/ > "GnuPG Lecture" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security/ > > -- > Cheers, "Here, sanity ... niiiiiice sanity, come to daddy ... > okay, > Rick Moen that's a good sanity ... {*THWONK!*} _Got_ the > bastard." > rick at linuxmafia.com --AdB > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -- John Lowry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Geoff_Webb at Intuit.com Tue Feb 20 13:36:31 2007 From: Geoff_Webb at Intuit.com (Webb, Geoff) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:36:31 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Intuit San Francisco Staff Software Engineer (PHP, Linux) Message-ID: <3F445B4CF5B0A14AB5D8918C0766187104D1B506@SDGEXEVS03.corp.intuit.net> Intuit recently established the core of its new Internet Services Team with the acquisition of StepUp Commerce in San Francisco. This intimate, high performing group continues its innovations in compelling and unique web based commerce services, solutions and infrastructure. They target the same small business customers represented by Intuit's existing customer demographics creating exceptional leverage and opportunity. This organization is also one of the teams on the influential forefront of Intuit's committed initiatives in web base technologies across many other products and services. The team seeks a Staff UI Software Engineer with deep industry experience to provide technical leadership and proven implementation skill to help drive the development team to success in producing. The successful candidate will work on diverse, key projects simultaneously. In this the successful candidate will focus on UI integration techniques and code to provide "rich" features in a thin client atmosphere. In this role one will: * Bring recognizable passion for excellence in integration of usability designs and feature sets to the end user/customer experience. * Work effectively in a highly dynamic environment, interacting with various business units, project management, and business partners. * Gather and translate non-technical and technical specifications into well thought out designs and follow through with implementation to create high throughput, production-quality web applications. * Lead and participate in the implementation of all work within a small team of experienced software professionals. * Exercise one's strong, experience based understanding in OOP. * Adapt and extend ones technical knowledge both within and outside current core competencies while participating in multiple projects. * Take the appropriate opportunities to assist in developing business/functional requirements, as well as the definition of technical requirements. * Assume technical leadership among peers on a per-project basis. * Ensure all work stays true to higher-level requirements, architectural context and designs. * Demonstrate initiative, creativity and innovation to drive breakthrough product and process ideas through to impacting fruition. * Confidently participate in, contribute to and lead groups within a fast-paced, technically aggressive, and highly skilled development team. * Actively participate in the larger Intuit technical community to leverage development concepts and ideas for best practice and continuity. Qualifications: * Demonstrated industry expertise in Javascript and AJAX * 7+ years of programming within Unix/Linux environments * 5+ years of PHP programming, * 5-10+ years of professional programming experience * 5-7+ years of Browser Scripting languages * 7+ years working with Multi-tiered Production Systems * Very comfortable working with and debugging multi process browser applications * Strong object-oriented programming skills Preferred Skills: * Working knowledge of Subversion and repositories * Experience with Zend IDE and tools a big plus Interested applicants and/or persons should email me directly for further details. Insert a catchy tag line here Geoff Webb Candidate Generation Recruiter Intuit 190 Hallam Street Toronto, Ontario M6H 1X5 geoff_webb at intuit.com IM: mgwebb at sympatico.ca www.intuit.com/WeGetIt AIM: GWebbCanada tel: mobile: Skype ID: 877-220-9322 (WEBB) 647-226-9322 mgiwebb1 Want to always have my latest info? 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Looks like www.balug.org hasn't been updated, but last I heard, I'm the speaker! :) Perhaps see some SF-LUG folks there! -bill! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ From bill at wards.net Tue Feb 20 16:37:20 2007 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:37:20 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] PenLUG this week - Gumstix - Thursday Feb 22 Message-ID: <3d2fe1780702201637q4fc1d89eh4e439b814c2b01a1@mail.gmail.com> That's right folks it's PenLUG time already! Date: Thursday, February 22nd, 2007 Time: meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM Location: Twin Pines Park, 1225 Ralston Ave, Belmont, CA 94002 Gumstix Gumstix enters it's fourth year of business in 2007 with more than 5,000 customers in 60+ countries creating projects and devices in a huge array of application areas. To meet customer demands, the company continues to focus on leading hardware development to support the outstanding Gumstix Software Development Kit and buildroot environment. Exciting new answers for customers wanting to go "to the next level" lie just around the corner with Gumstix. Founder Dr. W. Gordon Kruberg and CTO Craig Hughes will present the company and what's ahead. Gordon Kruberg is the Gumstix founder, CEO and President. He manages the overall vision of the company, day to day operations and product development. Before following his passion for robotics, Gordon founded, financed, and played operating and strategic executive roles in over 30 US-based companies, including Deersoft (acquired by Network Associates in Dec. 2002), IntegriNautics, HopeLink, and Schoolpop. His background includes managing investments in software, biotechnology and medical high-technology startups. He has also implemented information systems, consulted on research protocol development and emerging medical technology. Gordon holds an A.B. degree in Human Biology, a M.S. degree in Industrial Engineering from Stanford University and an M.D.degree from Northwestern University. Craig Hughes is the Chief Technology Officer of Gumstix. As Gumstix technology expert, Craig leads the team in all technology decisions critical to running the organization. Craig brings 10 years of Internet software development experience to Gumstix, as well as a background in successfully creating software companies. He previously started Deersoft with Gordon, leading it through its acquisition by Network Associates in 2002, and also had success before that, having created Panop.com and helped lead it through its acquisition by Broadbase (now Kana) in 2000. Craig is also active in open source development, most notably with his involvement in the SpamAssassin project, on which Deersoft was based. Outside of the technology arena, Craig is also a non-executive director of Cygnet Healthcare in the UK. From jim at well.com Wed Feb 21 00:22:59 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:22:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Intuit San Francisco Staff Software Engineer (PHP, Linux) In-Reply-To: <3F445B4CF5B0A14AB5D8918C0766187104D1B506@SDGEXEVS03.corp.intuit.net> References: <3F445B4CF5B0A14AB5D8918C0766187104D1B506@SDGEXEVS03.corp.intuit.net> Message-ID: please follow the job-posting rules, Geoff. they're posted on the web site and on the mailman signup page. On Feb 20, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Webb, Geoff wrote: > Intuit recently established the core of its new Internet Services Team > with the acquisition of StepUp Commerce in San Francisco. This > intimate, high performing group continues its innovations in > compelling and unique web based commerce services, solutions and > infrastructure. They target the same small business customers > represented by Intuit's existing customer demographics creating > exceptional leverage and opportunity. This organization is also one of > the teams on the influential forefront of Intuit?s committed > initiatives in web base technologies across many other products and > services. > > The team seeks a Staff UI Software Engineer with deep industry > experience to provide technical leadership and proven implementation > skill to help drive the development team to success in producing. The > successful candidate will work on diverse, key projects > simultaneously. In this the successful candidate will focus on UI > integration techniques and code to provide "rich" features in a thin > client atmosphere. In this role one will: > > ? Bring recognizable passion for excellence in integration of > usability designs and feature sets to the end user/customer > experience. > ? Work effectively in a highly dynamic environment, interacting with > various business units, project management, and business partners. > ? Gather and translate non-technical and technical specifications into > well thought out designs and follow through with implementation to > create high throughput, production-quality web applications. > ? Lead and participate in the implementation of all work within a > small team of experienced software professionals. > ? Exercise one?s strong, experience based understanding in OOP. > ? Adapt and extend ones technical knowledge both within and outside > current core competencies while participating in multiple projects. > ? Take the appropriate opportunities to assist in developing > business/functional requirements, as well as the definition of > technical requirements. > ? Assume technical leadership among peers on a per-project basis. > ? Ensure all work stays true to higher-level requirements, > architectural context and designs. > ? Demonstrate initiative, creativity and innovation to drive > breakthrough product and process ideas through to impacting fruition. > ? Confidently participate in, contribute to and lead groups within a > fast-paced, technically aggressive, and highly skilled development > team. > ? Actively participate in the larger Intuit technical community to > leverage development concepts and ideas for best practice and > continuity. > ? > Qualifications: > ? Demonstrated industry expertise in Javascript and AJAX > ? 7+ years of programming within Unix/Linux environments > ? 5+ years of PHP programming, > ? 5-10+ years of professional programming experience > ? 5-7+ years of Browser Scripting languages > ? 7+ years working with Multi-tiered Production Systems > ? Very comfortable working with and debugging multi process browser > applications > ? Strong object-oriented programming skills > > Preferred Skills: > > ? Working knowledge of Subversion and repositories > ? Experience with Zend IDE and tools a big plus > Interested applicants and/or persons should email me directly for > further details. > ? > Insert a catchy tag line here > Geoff Webb > Candidate Generation Recruiter > Intuit > 190 Hallam Street > Toronto, Ontario > M6H 1X5 > geoff_webb at intuit.com > IM: mgwebb at sympatico.ca > www.intuit.com/WeGetIt > AIM: GWebbCanada > tel: > mobile: > Skype ID: > 877-220-9322 (WEBB) > 647-226-9322 > mgiwebb1 > Want to always have my latest info? > Want a signature like this? > ?_____________________________________ > __________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From jim at well.com Thu Feb 22 05:36:16 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:36:16 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] encrypted filesystems (re pgp gpg...) Message-ID: <057a742837efb67931aadc8699320cac@well.com> per john's email re key signing and the encryption discussion we had at the last meeting--this is a very readable and informative article regarding encrypted filesystems. why do that? to hide your data from a thief who steals your laptop or a crooked repair technician. how to do that? gotta have a special kernel. for me the value was the clarity in the explanation of loopback filesystems aka /dev/loop0 > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6481 > ? From asheesh at asheesh.org Thu Feb 22 07:13:29 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:13:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [sf-lug] encrypted filesystems (re pgp gpg...) In-Reply-To: <057a742837efb67931aadc8699320cac@well.com> References: <057a742837efb67931aadc8699320cac@well.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, jim stockford wrote: > how to do that? gotta have a special > kernel. for me the value was the clarity > in the explanation of loopback filesystems > aka /dev/loop0 Both Ubuntu's and Debian's kernel support this in their default kernels. Debian goes so far as to present this as an install option. A friend actually switched from Ubuntu to Debian for this reaso (among others). Fedora and RedHat and friends may, too, I just don't keep up to date on them. The article you linked us to is three and a half years old; by now, this is old hat. Still worth doing, though! And still a good explanation of one way to do it, even if these days people most use dmcrypt instead for compatibility with LVM. -- Asheesh. -- The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From bill at wards.net Thu Feb 22 11:37:56 2007 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:37:56 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] PenLUG this week - Gumstix - Thursday Feb 22 In-Reply-To: <3d2fe1780702201637q4fc1d89eh4e439b814c2b01a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d2fe1780702201637q4fc1d89eh4e439b814c2b01a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d2fe1780702221137p522ee75am324a43d7d494dc8c@mail.gmail.com> Reminder, this is TONIGHT. Please send mail to rsvp at penlug.org if you're planning to attend (not required, but I like to have an idea of how many will be attending). On 2/20/07, Bill Ward wrote: > That's right folks it's PenLUG time already! > > Date: Thursday, February 22nd, 2007 > Time: meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM > Location: Twin Pines Park, 1225 Ralston Ave, Belmont, CA 94002 > > Gumstix > > Gumstix enters it's fourth year of business in 2007 with more than > 5,000 customers in 60+ countries creating projects and devices in a > huge array of application areas. To meet customer demands, the company > continues to focus on leading hardware development to support the > outstanding Gumstix Software Development Kit and buildroot > environment. > > Exciting new answers for customers wanting to go "to the next level" > lie just around the corner with Gumstix. Founder Dr. W. Gordon Kruberg > and CTO Craig Hughes will present the company and what's ahead. > > Gordon Kruberg is the Gumstix founder, CEO and President. He manages > the overall vision of the company, day to day operations and product > development. Before following his passion for robotics, Gordon > founded, financed, and played operating and strategic executive roles > in over 30 US-based companies, including Deersoft (acquired by Network > Associates in Dec. 2002), IntegriNautics, HopeLink, and Schoolpop. His > background includes managing investments in software, biotechnology > and medical high-technology startups. He has also implemented > information systems, consulted on research protocol development and > emerging medical technology. Gordon holds an A.B. degree in Human > Biology, a M.S. degree in Industrial Engineering from Stanford > University and an M.D.degree from Northwestern University. > > Craig Hughes is the Chief Technology Officer of Gumstix. As Gumstix > technology expert, Craig leads the team in all technology decisions > critical to running the organization. Craig brings 10 years of > Internet software development experience to Gumstix, as well as a > background in successfully creating software companies. He previously > started Deersoft with Gordon, leading it through its acquisition by > Network Associates in 2002, and also had success before that, having > created Panop.com and helped lead it through its acquisition by > Broadbase (now Kana) in 2000. Craig is also active in open source > development, most notably with his involvement in the SpamAssassin > project, on which Deersoft was based. Outside of the technology arena, > Craig is also a non-executive director of Cygnet Healthcare in the UK. > -- Help bring back the San Jose Earthquakes - http://www.soccersiliconvalley.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: invite.ics Type: text/calendar Size: 4778 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 2/20/07, Bill Ward wrote: > That's right folks it's PenLUG time already! > > Date: Thursday, February 22nd, 2007 > Time: meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM > Location: Twin Pines Park, 1225 Ralston Ave, Belmont, CA 94002 > > Gumstix > > Gumstix enters it's fourth year of business in 2007 with more than > 5,000 customers in 60+ countries creating projects and devices in a > huge array of application areas. To meet customer demands, the company > continues to focus on leading hardware development to support the > outstanding Gumstix Software Development Kit and buildroot > environment. > > Exciting new answers for customers wanting to go "to the next level" > lie just around the corner with Gumstix. Founder Dr. W. Gordon Kruberg > and CTO Craig Hughes will present the company and what's ahead. > > Gordon Kruberg is the Gumstix founder, CEO and President. He manages > the overall vision of the company, day to day operations and product > development. Before following his passion for robotics, Gordon > founded, financed, and played operating and strategic executive roles > in over 30 US-based companies, including Deersoft (acquired by Network > Associates in Dec. 2002), IntegriNautics, HopeLink, and Schoolpop. His > background includes managing investments in software, biotechnology > and medical high-technology startups. He has also implemented > information systems, consulted on research protocol development and > emerging medical technology. Gordon holds an A.B. degree in Human > Biology, a M.S. degree in Industrial Engineering from Stanford > University and an M.D.degree from Northwestern University. > > Craig Hughes is the Chief Technology Officer of Gumstix. As Gumstix > technology expert, Craig leads the team in all technology decisions > critical to running the organization. Craig brings 10 years of > Internet software development experience to Gumstix, as well as a > background in successfully creating software companies. 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On 2/20/07, Bill Ward wrote: > That's right folks it's PenLUG time already! > > Date: Thursday, February 22nd, 2007 > Time: meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM > Location: Twin Pines Park, 1225 Ralston Ave, Belmont, CA 94002 > > Gumstix > > Gumstix enters it's fourth year of business in 2007 with more than > 5,000 customers in 60+ countries creating projects and devices in a > huge array of application areas. To meet customer demands, the company > continues to focus on leading hardware development to support the > outstanding Gumstix Software Development Kit and buildroot > environment. > > Exciting new answers for customers wanting to go "to the next level" > lie just around the corner with Gumstix. Founder Dr. W. Gordon Kruberg > and CTO Craig Hughes will present the company and what's ahead. > > Gordon Kruberg is the Gumstix founder, CEO and President. He manages > the overall vision of the company, day to day operations and product > development. Before following his passion for robotics, Gordon > founded, financed, and played operating and strategic executive roles > in over 30 US-based companies, including Deersoft (acquired by Network > Associates in Dec. 2002), IntegriNautics, HopeLink, and Schoolpop. His > background includes managing investments in software, biotechnology > and medical high-technology startups. He has also implemented > information systems, consulted on research protocol development and > emerging medical technology. Gordon holds an A.B. degree in Human > Biology, a M.S. degree in Industrial Engineering from Stanford > University and an M.D.degree from Northwestern University. > > Craig Hughes is the Chief Technology Officer of Gumstix. As Gumstix > technology expert, Craig leads the team in all technology decisions > critical to running the organization. Craig brings 10 years of > Internet software development experience to Gumstix, as well as a > background in successfully creating software companies. 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From jim at well.com Thu Feb 22 20:24:46 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:24:46 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] SF-LUG Job Posting--*n?x admin job in SF Message-ID: <26b7ff0b0612bd25d00ddd650334bf5e@well.com> > Senior Systems Administrator > Innovative, leading edge company located in San Francisco is looking > for a Senior Systems Administrator to take the helm of keeping the > company's 24x7x365 service running.? This includes working with > external vendors on new applications/services, design and > implementation of networks (TCP/IP, VLANs, Cisco, Juniper/NetScreen, > Foundry), performing operational readiness analysis, managing data > center, documenting processes and managing a mixed UNIX and Windows > environment. > ? > At least 8 years experience as a UNIX Systems Administrator - Linux, > Solaris, Free BSD.? Depth of experience should include management of > CPU, disk and memory utilization, enterprise application support, > Apache, RedHat/CentOS and PERL, shell scripting.? There is a rotating > 24x7 on call support.? > ? > The company offers an excellent compensation package including a base > salary of 120K + (DOE), stock, 401k, medical, dental, vacation/holiday > pay. > ? > This is a high energy environment and requires a self motivated and > eager Sr. System Administrator to jump in and make an immediate > impact.? > ? > Please send resumes directly to talent at iquesearch.com or > christine at iquesearch.com. > ? > Christine Colon > Recruiting Manager/Partner > IQue Search > unIQue opportunities, unIQue talent, unIQue solutions > 415-637-7198 (cell) > 415-829-2187 (office) > www.iquesearch.com From jim at well.com Fri Feb 23 20:40:35 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:40:35 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] save the mbr! Message-ID: last meeting catherine suggested backing up the master boot record. i did it. Here's the story: as root in a terminal window using the bash shell: # dd if=/dev/hda of=./mbr bs=512 count=1 i used the dd command if is the input source. i think /dev/hda represents the entire primary master hard drive starting at byte zero of sector zero of track zero of side zero, in other words the master boot record area. of is the output, ./mbr (in the current directory, a file with a name i made up -- mbr) bs is the number of bytes to read at a time, 512, which i know is the number of bytes in the master boot record. count is the number of blocks to transfer from if to of Non Geeks might want to stop here--this is how you get a backup of your system's master boot record, IF your machine is using IDE hard disks. the following is idle idiocy i find interesting with a request at bottom for a "real good" disassembler. # ls -l mbr -rw--r--r 1 root root 512 Feb 23 19:44 mbr the ls command shows ./mbr has 512 bytes in it # file ./mbr mbr: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x48 hmmm, i don't know what "code offset" means, 0x48 is hexadecimal for 72 and i'm guessing this file has machine code that starts on byte 0x48. # od -h ./mbr > ./mbr.od od the od -h command reads the .mbr file and outputs hexadecimal to a new file named ./mbr.od (which is 1544 bytes) # strings ./mbr > ./mbr.strings strings the strings command outputs any ASCII sequences that are in the ./mbr file to a new file that I've named ./mbr.strings (which is 48 bytes). The contents are LILO ZREfI D|f1 GRUB Geom Hard Disk Read Error Well, to me that seems like the kind of strings that ought to be in the master boot record. # vi ./mbr well, it looks like martian, all right. okay, i know i'm a maniac, but hey! the vi editor can edit anything. # vi -b ./mbr this looks a little better, but only a little (the -b option tells vi it's working with a "binary" file). # dis -bash: dis: command not found damn! the dis command was on ATT sysVreviii where's a disassembler when you need one? <-- geek question there are lots, but which is real good? <-- bonus geek question for me, "real good" is probably "real stupid" in that it will not fail on any input for any reason, does not expect ELF or other header data, just takes a byte stream and generates mnemonics for any machine code it finds; i've got 32-bit iAPX86 stuff. ever hopefully, jim From jturner at nonzerosums.org Sat Feb 24 19:05:21 2007 From: jturner at nonzerosums.org (Jason Turner) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:05:21 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] save the mbr! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E0FCF1.2070201@nonzerosums.org> Ahh, someone is just getting real curious... :-D Well, let me say ahead of time... no bonus points for me. But I only chime in here because, selfishly, I'm curious if anyone out there would recommend a particularly good interface(gui) to gdb. Which is my first answer to your question about a disassembler. Now, I'm primarily an emacs+gdb guy when playing with code on Linux. But I have to admit I've never been as effective with that tool when debugging source(much less object) code than when I used Symantec or Borland tools on Windoze. So, I know gdb inside emacs is not an option for you, VI guy. Have you tried to dump the code into gdb on the command line and seen anything helpful? I just dunno ahead of time if that would pass all your stipulations. But it's cheap to try, no? -- jt jim stockford wrote: > > > > last meeting catherine suggested backing up the > master boot record. > i did it. > > Here's the story: > as root in a terminal window using the bash shell: > > # dd if=/dev/hda of=./mbr bs=512 count=1 > i used the dd command > if is the input source. i think /dev/hda represents the > entire primary master hard drive starting at byte zero > of sector zero of track zero of side zero, in other words > the master boot record area. > of is the output, ./mbr (in the current directory, a file > with a name i made up -- mbr) > bs is the number of bytes to read at a time, 512, which > i know is the number of bytes in the master boot record. > count is the number of blocks to transfer from if to of > > Non Geeks might want to stop here--this is how you > get a backup of your system's master boot record, > IF your machine is using IDE hard disks. > > > the following is idle idiocy i find interesting with a > request at bottom for a "real good" disassembler. > > # ls -l mbr > -rw--r--r 1 root root 512 Feb 23 19:44 mbr > the ls command shows ./mbr has 512 bytes in it > > # file ./mbr > mbr: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x48 > hmmm, i don't know what "code offset" means, > 0x48 is hexadecimal for 72 and i'm guessing > this file has machine code that starts on byte > 0x48. > > # od -h ./mbr > ./mbr.od > od the od -h command reads the .mbr file and > outputs hexadecimal to a new file named ./mbr.od > (which is 1544 bytes) > > # strings ./mbr > ./mbr.strings > strings the strings command outputs any ASCII > sequences that are in the ./mbr file to a new file > that I've named ./mbr.strings (which is 48 bytes). > The contents are > LILO > ZREfI > D|f1 > GRUB > Geom > Hard Disk > Read > Error > Well, to me that seems like the kind of strings that > ought to be in the master boot record. > > # vi ./mbr > well, it looks like martian, all right. > okay, i know i'm a maniac, but hey! the vi editor > can edit anything. > > # vi -b ./mbr > this looks a little better, but only a little (the -b > option tells vi it's working with a "binary" file). > > # dis > -bash: dis: command not found > damn! the dis command was on ATT sysVreviii > where's a disassembler when you need one? <-- geek question > there are lots, but which is real good? <-- bonus geek question > for me, "real good" is probably "real stupid" in that it will not > fail on any input for any reason, does not expect ELF or other > header data, just takes a byte stream and generates mnemonics > for any machine code it finds; i've got 32-bit iAPX86 stuff. > > ever hopefully, > jim > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From alamozzz at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 19:46:09 2007 From: alamozzz at yahoo.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:46:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] save the mbr! In-Reply-To: <45E0FCF1.2070201@nonzerosums.org> Message-ID: <396037.37730.qm@web50507.mail.yahoo.com> It's too bad Red Hat didn't do anything with Code Fusion, which they got when they acquired Cygnus Solutions. Code Fusion had a special version of gdb, integrated into the Code Fusion GUI. Code Fusion was the closest thing to Borland style tools. If you hunt around the Red Hat site, you may be able to still find the source code for Code Fusion, I believe they had it there at some point. Jason Turner wrote: Ahh, someone is just getting real curious... :-D Well, let me say ahead of time... no bonus points for me. But I only chime in here because, selfishly, I'm curious if anyone out there would recommend a particularly good interface(gui) to gdb. Which is my first answer to your question about a disassembler. Now, I'm primarily an emacs+gdb guy when playing with code on Linux. But I have to admit I've never been as effective with that tool when debugging source(much less object) code than when I used Symantec or Borland tools on Windoze. So, I know gdb inside emacs is not an option for you, VI guy. Have you tried to dump the code into gdb on the command line and seen anything helpful? I just dunno ahead of time if that would pass all your stipulations. But it's cheap to try, no? -- jt jim stockford wrote: > > > > last meeting catherine suggested backing up the > master boot record. > i did it. > > Here's the story: > as root in a terminal window using the bash shell: > > # dd if=/dev/hda of=./mbr bs=512 count=1 > i used the dd command > if is the input source. i think /dev/hda represents the > entire primary master hard drive starting at byte zero > of sector zero of track zero of side zero, in other words > the master boot record area. > of is the output, ./mbr (in the current directory, a file > with a name i made up -- mbr) > bs is the number of bytes to read at a time, 512, which > i know is the number of bytes in the master boot record. > count is the number of blocks to transfer from if to of > > Non Geeks might want to stop here--this is how you > get a backup of your system's master boot record, > IF your machine is using IDE hard disks. > > > the following is idle idiocy i find interesting with a > request at bottom for a "real good" disassembler. > > # ls -l mbr > -rw--r--r 1 root root 512 Feb 23 19:44 mbr > the ls command shows ./mbr has 512 bytes in it > > # file ./mbr > mbr: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x48 > hmmm, i don't know what "code offset" means, > 0x48 is hexadecimal for 72 and i'm guessing > this file has machine code that starts on byte > 0x48. > > # od -h ./mbr > ./mbr.od > od the od -h command reads the .mbr file and > outputs hexadecimal to a new file named ./mbr.od > (which is 1544 bytes) > > # strings ./mbr > ./mbr.strings > strings the strings command outputs any ASCII > sequences that are in the ./mbr file to a new file > that I've named ./mbr.strings (which is 48 bytes). > The contents are > LILO > ZREfI > D|f1 > GRUB > Geom > Hard Disk > Read > Error > Well, to me that seems like the kind of strings that > ought to be in the master boot record. > > # vi ./mbr > well, it looks like martian, all right. > okay, i know i'm a maniac, but hey! the vi editor > can edit anything. > > # vi -b ./mbr > this looks a little better, but only a little (the -b > option tells vi it's working with a "binary" file). > > # dis > -bash: dis: command not found > damn! the dis command was on ATT sysVreviii > where's a disassembler when you need one? <-- geek question > there are lots, but which is real good? <-- bonus geek question > for me, "real good" is probably "real stupid" in that it will not > fail on any input for any reason, does not expect ELF or other > header data, just takes a byte stream and generates mnemonics > for any machine code it finds; i've got 32-bit iAPX86 stuff. > > ever hopefully, > jim > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Sun Feb 25 10:26:20 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:26:20 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] save the mbr! In-Reply-To: <396037.37730.qm@web50507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <396037.37730.qm@web50507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jason and Adrien and Catherine. Catherine's suggestion: "More info on this disassembler - called Biew (for "binary view") - is at http://biew.sourceforge.net/en/biew.html " JS: I guess I'm gonna download this and try it out Jason's suggestion: JS: I re-perused the gdb man page--sure enough it's designed as a filter. i piped my file in # cat mbr | gdb and got (gdb) Hangup detected on fd 0 error detected on stdin the man page doesn't mention "machine" or "object" code or "disassembling" or other such. I read the file in as an argument on the command line and got File format not recognized. per guesswork i made a copy and removed the first 0x48 bytes, read it in again, same results. this thread could end up generating a discussion of gdb. Adrien's suggestion: JS: (omigod!) looking things up on Red Hat's site is often painful, at least has been for me. This will be plan X or Y, i think, to be used after exhausting other means. On Feb 24, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Adrien Lamothe wrote: > It's too bad Red Hat didn't do anything with Code Fusion, which they > got when they acquired Cygnus Solutions. Code Fusion had a special > version of gdb, integrated into the Code Fusion GUI. Code Fusion was > the closest thing to Borland style tools. If you hunt around the Red > Hat site, you may be able to still find the source code for Code > Fusion, I believe they had it there at some point. > > > Jason Turner wrote: >> >> Well, let me say ahead of time... no bonus points for me. But I only >> chime in here because, selfishly, I'm curious if anyone out there >> would >> recommend a particularly good interface(gui) to gdb. Which is my first >> answer to your question about a disassembler. Now, I'm primarily an >> emacs+gdb guy when playing with code on Linux. But I have to admit >> I've >> never been as effective with that tool when debugging source(much less >> object) code than when I used Symantec or Borland tools on Windoze. >> >> So, I know gdb inside emacs is not an option for you, VI guy. Have you >> tried to dump the code into gdb on the command line and seen anything >> helpful? I just dunno ahead of time if that would pass all your >> stipulations. But it's cheap to try, no? >> >> -- >> jt >> >> >> >> jim stockford wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > last meeting catherine suggested backing up the >> > master boot record. >> > i did it. >> > >> > Here's the story: >> > as root in a terminal window using the bash shell: >> > >> > # dd if=/dev/hda of=./mbr bs=512 count=1 >> > i used the dd command >> > if is the input source. i think /dev/hda represents the >> > entire primary master hard drive starting at byte zero >> > of sector zero of track zero of side zero, in other words >> > the master boot record area. >> > of is the output, ./mbr (in the current directory, a file >> > with a name i made up -- mbr) >> > bs is the number of bytes to read at a time, 512, which >> > i know is the number of bytes in the master boot record. >> > count is the number of blocks to transfer from if to of >> > >> > Non Geeks might want to stop here--this is how you >> > get a backup of your system's master boot record, >> > IF your machine is using IDE hard disks. >> > >> > >> > the following is idle idiocy i find interesting with a >> > request at bottom for a "real good" disassembler. >> > >> > # ls -l mbr >> > -rw--r--r 1 root root 512 Feb 23 19:44 mbr >> > the ls command shows ./mbr has 512 bytes in it >> > >> > # file ./mbr >> > mbr: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x48 >> > hmmm, i don't know what "code offset" means, >> > 0x48 is hexadecimal for 72 and i'm guessing >> > this file has machine code that starts on byte >> > 0x48. >> > >> > # od -h ./mbr > ./mbr.od >> > od the od -h command reads the .mbr file and >> > outputs hexadecimal to a new file named ./mbr.od >> > (which is 1544 bytes) >> > >> > # strings ./mbr > ./mbr.strings >> > strings the strings command outputs any ASCII >> > sequences that are in the ./mbr file to a new file >> > that I've named ./mbr.strings (which is 48 bytes). >> > The contents are >> > LILO >> > ZREfI >> > D|f1 >> > GRUB >> > Geom >> > Hard Disk >> > Read >> > Error >> > Well, to me that seems like the kind of strings that >> > ought to be in the master boot record. >> > >> > # vi ./mbr >> > well, it looks like martian, all right. >> > okay, i know i'm a maniac, but hey! the vi editor >> > can edit anything. >> > >> > # vi -b ./mbr >> > this looks a little better, but only a little (the -b >> > option tells vi it's working with a "binary" file). >> > >> > # dis >> > -bash: dis: command not found >> > damn! the dis command was on ATT sysVreviii >> > where's a disassembler when you need one? <-- geek question >> > there are lots, but which is real good? <-- bonus geek question >> > for me, "real good" is probably "real stupid" in that it will not >> > fail on any input for any reason, does not expect ELF or other >> > header data, just takes a byte stream and generates mnemonics >> > for any machine code it finds; i've got 32-bit iAPX86 stuff. >> > >> > ever hopefully, >> > jim >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sf-lug mailing list >> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! > TV._______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From vze2jy85 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 13:15:23 2007 From: vze2jy85 at yahoo.com (Anthony Yeo) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:15:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] Minimum qualifications to work as a junior computer person In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <182661.31784.qm@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone: At our last meeting, we had a recruiter come and give us his perspective on the employment situation in the Linux world. It looks good. But here's a question. What is the minimum requirements to be employable at an entry level? Would a Red Hat certified Technician, RHCT, certificate be enough? Would doing a certificate course at City College of San Francisco be enough? For guys like me, I work in a non-computing job during the day and Linux is a hobby but if we are going to transition to really making a go at it, I would like to know what the entry requirements might be. Tony From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Wed Feb 28 13:32:05 2007 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 28 Feb 2007 16:32:05 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Minimum qualifications to work as a junior computer person Message-ID: <32547458.1172698327475.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> I didn't touch a ton on this subject because my firm deals mostly with contract/consulting opportunities... That being said from my experience entry level work will usually also = fulltime permanent work not contracts. The times I have worked on entry level fulltime work the managers generally are looking for not so much the technical background but for somebody who is smart. I know that can be hard to portray sometimes but most of the time when I speak with the managers they tell me I am just looking for a smart guy to bring in, someone who I can teach them what they need to know and then let them run with it and learn more on their own. Certification can definitely help in the entry level world. On the resume the most critical thing to portray is that you have gone out on your own and learned the skills needed and you need to be sure to portray on the resume that the position you are looking for is not congruent to your past work. Show the manager what you know how to do on the resume and tell them what you want to learn to do... Hope this helps! Best Regards, Blake M. Haggerty Technical Recruiter Sapphire Technologies Phone #415-788-8488 Fax #415-788-2592 -----Original Message----- From:Anthony Yeo vze2jy85 at yahoo.com To: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com List'" ; Sent: Feb 28, 2007 01:18:20 PM Subject: [sf-lug] Minimum qualifications to work as a junior computer person Hi Everyone: At our last meeting, we had a recruiter come and give us his perspective on the employment situation in the Linux world. It looks good. But here's a question. What is the minimum requirements to be employable at an entry level? Would a Red Hat certified Technician, RHCT, certificate be enough? Would doing a certificate course at City College of San Francisco be enough? For guys like me, I work in a non-computing job during the day and Linux is a hobby but if we are going to transition to really making a go at it, I would like to know what the entry requirements might be. 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URL: From jim at well.com Thu Mar 1 08:33:00 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:33:00 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> I'll bring 'em; see announcement on the mailing list to join the mailing list http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug On Feb 26, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Toni Vincent wrote: > Hi Jim, > > It's Toni from the last Linux meeting reminding you to bring the > latest version Linux CDs to the meeting on Sunday. I'm ready to clear > out everything from my Toshiba laptop and install something current. > See you there, > > Toni From jim at well.com Thu Mar 1 08:35:42 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:35:42 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Minimum qualifications to work as a junior computer person In-Reply-To: <182661.31784.qm@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> References: <182661.31784.qm@web50412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: one common piece of advice is to get work as an intern, part-timer, volunteer. Say, that reminds me: SF-LUG needs volunteers to help maintain its system, which includes LVM over RAID, nagios, user management, backups, and more. Notably SF-LUG needs someone to help test the Red Hat Enterprise Linux certification web pages. On Feb 28, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Anthony Yeo wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > At our last meeting, we had a recruiter come and give > us his perspective on the employment situation in the > Linux world. It looks good. > > But here's a question. What is the minimum > requirements to be employable at an entry level? Would > a Red Hat certified Technician, RHCT, certificate be > enough? Would doing a certificate course at City > College of San Francisco be enough? > > For guys like me, I work in a non-computing job during > the day and Linux is a hobby but if we are going to > transition to really making a go at it, I would like > to know what the entry requirements might be. > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Thu Mar 1 08:38:49 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:38:49 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM Message-ID: come on down. Last meeting David brought a bunch of Fedora Core 6 DVDs and there are some left over which I'll bring. I'm also bringing copies of CentOS 4.4 and DSL, though i bought them and if you want them you have to reimburse me my cost (on the order of $3.50 per CD, includes shipping costs). Toni promises she's got her laptop ready to install CentOS or some such, so we might have an install project or at least an install discussion this Sunday. From asheesh at asheesh.org Thu Mar 1 08:39:03 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:39:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, jim stockford wrote: > Toni promises she's got her laptop ready to install CentOS or some such, > so we might have an install project or at least an install discussion > this Sunday. Blah, why on earth would you install CentOS on a laptop? Isn't Ubuntu (or even Fedora) more appropriate? -- Asheesh. -- Persons attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot. By Order of the Author -- Mark Twain, "Tom Sawyer" From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Mar 1 09:07:17 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:07:17 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > > Last meeting David brought a bunch of Fedora > Core 6 DVDs and there are some left over > which I'll bring. > > I'm also bringing copies of CentOS 4.4 and > DSL, though i bought them and if you want > them you have to reimburse me my cost (on > the order of $3.50 per CD, includes shipping > costs). Would it be useful to bring the CABAL CD collection? It's as shown at http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros . Note: In general, except by advance arrangement, I don't make duplicate copies to give away, nor let people take home my originals, but people are most welcome to copy any discs onto their hard drives, so they can burn discs later. At Javacat, this of course means having your laptop with you (and enough free HD space to store ISO images). (Of course, in theory you could also do installs at Javacat.) I have: Distributions: * cAos Linux 3.0 beta 3 (2007-01-17) for i386 and x86_64 * CentOS 4.3 (2006-03-21) for i386 and x86_64 (4 CDs each) * Damn Small Linux 3.2 (2007-01-18) for i386 * Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 "etch" snapshot (2007-02-16) Install CD 1 for i386, x86_64, and PPC * Dreamlinux 2.2 Multimedia Edition (2006-12-20) and 2.2 Multimedia GL Edition "Beryl-AIGLX" beta 2 (2007-01-28) for i686 * Fedora Core 6 "Zod" (2006-10-24) for i686 and x86_64 (1 DVD each) * FreeBSD 6.2 (2007-01-15) for i386 and x86_64 (2 CDs each) * Gentoo Linux 2006-0 (2006-02-25) Live CD and Installer Disk for i686, Minimal Install Disk for i686, and Universal Disks for x86_64 and PPC * grml 0.9 (2006-12-05) for i586 * Kanotix 2006 "Easter Edition" RC4 (2006-05-14) for i586 * Knoppix 5.1.1 (2007-01-05) for i386 (DVD edition) and 5.0.1 (2006-06-02) for i386 (CD and DVD editions) * Kubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" (2006-10-26) Alternate and Desktop CDs for i386 and x86_64 * Linspire 5.0 build 59 (2005-03-16) for i586 * LNX-BBC 2.1 (2003-05-01) for i386 * Mandriva Linux 2007 Free Edition (2006-10-03) for i586 and x86_64 (1 DVD for both) * SimplyMEPIS 6.5 beta 5 (2007-02-14) for i586 and x86_64 * Linux Mint 2.2 "Bianca" (2007-02-22) for i386 * NetBSD 3.0.1 (2006-07-06) multi-cd1: i386, macppc, sparc, sparc64 * NetBSD 3.0.1 (2006-07-06) multi-cd2: alpha, amiga, atari, mac68k, next68k, sun3 * NetBSD 3.0.1 (2006-07-06) multi-cd3: amd64, cobalt, mpcmips, pmax, sgimips * OpenBSD Unofficial 4.1 snapshot (2007-02-22) for i386 * PC-BSD 1.2 (2006-07-12) for i686 (2 CDs) * PCLinuxOS 2007 Test Release 2 (2007-02-15) for i686 * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 ES Update 4 (2006-08-10) for i386 and x86_64 (5 CDs each) * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 ES Update 8 (2006-07-20) for i386 and x86_64 (4 CDs each) * SabayonLinux 3.2.6 (2007-01-08) for i586 and x86_64 (1 DVD each) * Sidux 2007-01 "Chaos" (2007-02-22) build 0759 for i686 and build 0757 for x86_64 * Slackware 11.0 (2006-10-03) for i386 (3 CDs) * SLAX Standard Edition 5.1.7 (2006-07-06) for i386 * SuperRescue CD (by H. Peter Anvin) 2.1.2 (2002-11-09: final release) for i386 * SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 (2006-07-17) for i686 and x86_64 (5 CDs each, or 1 DVD each) * SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 (2006-07-17) for i686 and x86_64 (1 DVD each) * openSUSE 10.2 (2006-12-07) for i686 and x86_64 (1 DVD each) * SUSE Linux OSS Edition 10.1 (2006-05-11) for i686 (5 CDs) and x86_64 (1 DVD) * SUSE Linux 10.1 Live DVD (2006-05-11) for i386 * SystemRescueCd 0.3.2 (2007-01-10) for i386 * Timo's Rescue CD 0.9.12r2 (2004-12-30: final release) for i386 * Ubuntu Linux 6.10 "Edgy Eft" (2006-10-26) Alternate and Desktop Disks for i386, x86_64, and PowerPC * Ubuntu Linux 6.06.1 (2006-08-10) "Dapper Drake" Server Disk for i386, x86_64, PowerPC, and SPARC * Ultimate Boot CD 3.4 Full Edition (2006-02-14) for i386 * Ututo GNU/Linux 2006.0 (2006-03-04) for i386 * Xandros Desktop OS Open Circulation Edition 3.0.1 (2005-02-14) for i586 and Home Edition Premium Trial 4.0 (2006-09-14) for i586 * Xubuntu Linux 6.10 (2006-08-10) "Edgy Eft" Alternate and Desktop CDs for i386, x86_64, and PowerPC * Yoper pre-3.0 2007 snapshot #8 (2007-02-20) for i686 Applications: * Borland Kylix Open Edition 3.0 for i386 Linux * Corel WordPerfect 8.0 Download Personal Edition for i386 Linux * Microsoft NetShow 2.00 build 2.51 (2000-05-23) for i386 Linux From dudrenov at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 12:38:57 2007 From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:38:57 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> Message-ID: <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> Irecently joined the mailing list, and wanted to attend to the next meeting. On that note, I was wondering if I can bring a HP dv6000 laptop with me. I'm having trouble getting acpi working on it. Even if I manage to get it some what running them some of the pci devices wont be recognized. Apparently it's a known issue, but maybe someone at the meeting can educate me on the most optimal solution. All the best Pavel Dudrenov On 3/1/07, jim stockford wrote: > > > I'll bring 'em; see announcement on the mailing list > > to join the mailing list > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > On Feb 26, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Toni Vincent wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > It's Toni from the last Linux meeting reminding you to bring the > > latest version Linux CDs to the meeting on Sunday. I'm ready to clear > > out everything from my Toshiba laptop and install something current. > > See you there, > > > > Toni > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Thu Mar 1 18:40:29 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:40:29 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: why not? it's robust and rich. Fedora is richer, but not as robust. i got a bad attitude toward Ubuntu just now. so why not CentOS on a laptop? On Mar 1, 2007, at 8:39 AM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, jim stockford wrote: > >> Toni promises she's got her laptop ready to install CentOS or some >> such, so we might have an install project or at least an install >> discussion this Sunday. > > Blah, why on earth would you install CentOS on a laptop? Isn't Ubuntu > (or even Fedora) more appropriate? > > -- Asheesh. > > -- > Persons attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be > prosecuted; > persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons > attempting > to find a plot in it will be shot. By Order of the Author > -- Mark Twain, "Tom Sawyer" > From jim at well.com Thu Mar 1 18:47:00 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:47:00 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> References: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> wow! For Toni's purposes probably it would be useful to bring a few from which to choose that might be best laptop choices--sorry i don't have her machine's info--I'm forwarding this message and cajoling her to join the list << join the mailing list, toni! >> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug There is, at the Javacat, a machine that seems mostly turned off but is there for SF-LUG folk to use (i think 192.168.1.251 when it's on), and we could use it to serve up images. On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > >> >> Last meeting David brought a bunch of Fedora >> Core 6 DVDs and there are some left over >> which I'll bring. >> >> I'm also bringing copies of CentOS 4.4 and >> DSL, though i bought them and if you want >> them you have to reimburse me my cost (on >> the order of $3.50 per CD, includes shipping >> costs). > > Would it be useful to bring the CABAL CD collection? It's as shown at > http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros . Note: In general, > except by advance arrangement, I don't make duplicate copies to give > away, nor let people take home my originals, but people are most > welcome > to copy any discs onto their hard drives, so they can burn discs later. > At Javacat, this of course means having your laptop with you (and > enough > free HD space to store ISO images). > > (Of course, in theory you could also do installs at Javacat.) > > I have: > > Distributions: > > * cAos Linux 3.0 beta 3 (2007-01-17) for i386 and x86_64 > * CentOS 4.3 (2006-03-21) for i386 and x86_64 (4 CDs each) > * Damn Small Linux 3.2 (2007-01-18) for i386 > * Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 "etch" snapshot (2007-02-16) Install CD 1 > for > i386, x86_64, and PPC > * Dreamlinux 2.2 Multimedia Edition (2006-12-20) and 2.2 Multimedia > GL Edition "Beryl-AIGLX" beta 2 (2007-01-28) for i686 > * Fedora Core 6 "Zod" (2006-10-24) for i686 and x86_64 (1 DVD each) > * FreeBSD 6.2 (2007-01-15) for i386 and x86_64 (2 CDs each) > * Gentoo Linux 2006-0 (2006-02-25) Live CD and Installer Disk for > i686, Minimal Install Disk for i686, and Universal Disks for > x86_64 and PPC > * grml 0.9 (2006-12-05) for i586 > * Kanotix 2006 "Easter Edition" RC4 (2006-05-14) for i586 > * Knoppix 5.1.1 (2007-01-05) for i386 (DVD edition) and 5.0.1 > (2006-06-02) for i386 (CD and DVD editions) > * Kubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" (2006-10-26) Alternate and Desktop CDs > for > i386 and x86_64 > * Linspire 5.0 build 59 (2005-03-16) for i586 > * LNX-BBC 2.1 (2003-05-01) for i386 > * Mandriva Linux 2007 Free Edition (2006-10-03) for i586 and x86_64 > (1 DVD for both) > * SimplyMEPIS 6.5 beta 5 (2007-02-14) for i586 and x86_64 > * Linux Mint 2.2 "Bianca" (2007-02-22) for i386 > * NetBSD 3.0.1 (2006-07-06) multi-cd1: i386, macppc, sparc, sparc64 > * NetBSD 3.0.1 (2006-07-06) multi-cd2: alpha, amiga, atari, mac68k, > next68k, sun3 > * NetBSD 3.0.1 (2006-07-06) multi-cd3: amd64, cobalt, mpcmips, > pmax, > sgimips > * OpenBSD Unofficial 4.1 snapshot (2007-02-22) for i386 > * PC-BSD 1.2 (2006-07-12) for i686 (2 CDs) > * PCLinuxOS 2007 Test Release 2 (2007-02-15) for i686 > * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 ES Update 4 (2006-08-10) for i386 and > x86_64 (5 CDs each) > * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 ES Update 8 (2006-07-20) for i386 and > x86_64 (4 CDs each) > * SabayonLinux 3.2.6 (2007-01-08) for i586 and x86_64 (1 DVD each) > * Sidux 2007-01 "Chaos" (2007-02-22) build 0759 for i686 and build > 0757 for x86_64 > * Slackware 11.0 (2006-10-03) for i386 (3 CDs) > * SLAX Standard Edition 5.1.7 (2006-07-06) for i386 > * SuperRescue CD (by H. Peter Anvin) 2.1.2 (2002-11-09: final > release) for i386 > * SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 (2006-07-17) for i686 and x86_64 > (5 CDs each, or 1 DVD each) > * SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 (2006-07-17) for i686 and x86_64 > (1 DVD each) > * openSUSE 10.2 (2006-12-07) for i686 and x86_64 (1 DVD each) > * SUSE Linux OSS Edition 10.1 (2006-05-11) for i686 (5 CDs) and > x86_64 (1 DVD) > * SUSE Linux 10.1 Live DVD (2006-05-11) for i386 > * SystemRescueCd 0.3.2 (2007-01-10) for i386 > * Timo's Rescue CD 0.9.12r2 (2004-12-30: final release) for i386 > * Ubuntu Linux 6.10 "Edgy Eft" (2006-10-26) Alternate and Desktop > Disks for i386, x86_64, and PowerPC > * Ubuntu Linux 6.06.1 (2006-08-10) "Dapper Drake" Server Disk for > i386, x86_64, PowerPC, and SPARC > * Ultimate Boot CD 3.4 Full Edition (2006-02-14) for i386 > * Ututo GNU/Linux 2006.0 (2006-03-04) for i386 > * Xandros Desktop OS Open Circulation Edition 3.0.1 (2005-02-14) > for > i586 and Home Edition Premium Trial 4.0 (2006-09-14) for i586 > * Xubuntu Linux 6.10 (2006-08-10) "Edgy Eft" Alternate and Desktop > CDs for i386, x86_64, and PowerPC > * Yoper pre-3.0 2007 snapshot #8 (2007-02-20) for i686 > > Applications: > > * Borland Kylix Open Edition 3.0 for i386 Linux > * Corel WordPerfect 8.0 Download Personal Edition for i386 Linux > * Microsoft NetShow 2.00 build 2.51 (2000-05-23) for i386 Linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Thu Mar 1 18:49:10 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:49:10 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: of course, please bring it. per SF-LUG charter, members can do whatever they please. there's usually someone who knows things there. On Mar 1, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Pavel Dudrenov wrote: > Irecently joined the mailing list, and wanted to attend to the next > meeting. On that note, I was wondering if I can bring a HP dv6000 > laptop with me. I'm having trouble getting acpi working on it. Even if > I manage to get it some what running them some of the pci devices wont > be recognized. Apparently it's a known issue, but maybe someone at the > meeting can educate me on the most optimal solution. > > All the best > Pavel Dudrenov > > On 3/1/07, jim stockford wrote: >> I'll bring 'em; see announcement on the mailing list >> >> to join the mailing list >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Toni Vincent wrote: >> >> > Hi Jim, >> > >> > It's Toni from the last Linux meeting reminding you to bring the >> > latest version Linux CDs to the meeting??on Sunday. I'm ready to >> clear >> > out everything from my Toshiba laptop and install something current. >> > See you there, >> > >> > Toni >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Mar 1 19:19:30 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:19:30 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> References: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> Message-ID: <20070302031929.GL336@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > wow! For Toni's purposes probably it would > be useful to bring a few from which to choose > that might be best laptop choices--sorry i don't > have her machine's info--I'm forwarding this > message and cajoling her to join the list I forgot to add: o Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 beta 2 aka v. 4.92 (2006-11-11) Server Edition and Client Edition for i386 and for x86_64 (1 DVD each) > There is, at the Javacat, a machine that seems > mostly turned off but is there for SF-LUG folk > to use (i think 192.168.1.251 when it's on), and > we could use it to serve up images. If it has a DVD drive, you can copy _both_ the CDs and DVDs from my collection. (You'll need to look up how to use the readcd utility, if it's unfamiliar. Do "readcd -scanbus" and "readcd dev=ATAPI -scanbus" to find the right device specifier for the drive.) On the ever-popular question of choosing a distribution, my referenced page (http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros) says: Undecided? Totally lost? Try the Linux Distribution Chooser.[1] For further background, read Karsten's Distributions Guide[2] and consult DistroWatch[3]. [1] http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ [2] http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html#distros [3] http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major -- Cheers, "Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?" Rick Moen -- Steven Wright rick at linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Mar 1 19:46:31 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:46:31 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > Pavel Dudrenov wrote: > > Irecently joined the mailing list, and wanted to attend to the next > > meeting. On that note, I was wondering if I can bring a HP dv6000 > > laptop with me. I'm having trouble getting acpi working on it. Even > > if I manage to get it some what running them some of the pci devices > > wont be recognized. Apparently it's a known issue, but maybe someone > > at the meeting can educate me on the most optimal solution. > > of course, please bring it. per SF-LUG charter, > members can do whatever they please. there's > usually someone who knows things there. I gather that HP used an Nvidia motherboard for this unit, as they do for several other current models of my acquaintance. (I consider those motherboards to be bad news. Basically, they're Linux-hostile, and so's the chipset manufacturer in my opinion.) I'm guessing that Pavel tried booting with "acpi=off", and found that he lost a number of devices. Unfortunately, really recent motherboards seem to be absolutely requiring ACPI support to work at all, which means you have to leave ACPI switched on _and_ have a pretty recent 2.6 kernel. Try "pnpbios=off" as a boot option, Pavel. "noapic nolapic pci=routeirq" and maybe "pci=usepirqmask" might help, but is a really blunt instrument. From krmdv at aim.com Wed Feb 28 21:58:22 2007 From: krmdv at aim.com (krmdv at aim.com) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:58:22 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] HOWTO Sign your own RPMs Message-ID: <8C929DDC1178244-4DC-342F@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> In the last SF LUG meeting John Lowry and I had discussed some ideas on how to kick off the Key Signing party. One of the topics I had mentioned was signing your own RPM's. Jim Well and I had discussed this and thought a small HOWTO would be nice a document to put together for the LUG. This is my first HOWTO to the LUG, so I have tried to over indulge with some of the explanations with the basic commands we use when interacting with the Linux command line. If anyone has any comments on how to make this document flow better or even some ideas where I have obviously made assumptions that newbies might not be aware of, please provide some feedback I think the next topic we should conquer is a HOWTO setup your own Certificate Authority using OpenSSL. If I get some free time in the next week or so I will put together another HOWTO for creating your own Root CA. Anyway, please let me know if you have any questions. I look forward to your responses. Thanks much, DK David Kramer cell: 650.302.7889 ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: HOWTO-Sign-Your-Own-RPMs.txt URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Mar 1 23:37:52 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 23:37:52 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <8C92AAAAA46D058-1458-60EE@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> References: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> <8C92AAAAA46D058-1458-60EE@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20070302073752.GN336@linuxmafia.com> Quoting krmdv at aim.com (krmdv at aim.com): > INSTALL PARTY!!!!! COUNT ME IN!!! I hope you have either impressively long battery life or a plan for dealing with the AC power situation at Javacat. (Maybe I'm being a pessimist, but in general the prospects for AC power at cafes are dim.) From jim at well.com Fri Mar 2 06:16:17 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 06:16:17 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <20070302031929.GL336@linuxmafia.com> References: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> <20070302031929.GL336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <826fabc33788af3f989e51c1afb73bef@well.com> erk, the javacat machine's got CD, not DVD. On Mar 1, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > >> wow! For Toni's purposes probably it would >> be useful to bring a few from which to choose >> that might be best laptop choices--sorry i don't >> have her machine's info--I'm forwarding this >> message and cajoling her to join the list > > I forgot to add: > > o Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 beta 2 aka v. 4.92 (2006-11-11) > Server Edition and Client Edition for i386 and for x86_64 > (1 DVD each) > >> There is, at the Javacat, a machine that seems >> mostly turned off but is there for SF-LUG folk >> to use (i think 192.168.1.251 when it's on), and >> we could use it to serve up images. > > If it has a DVD drive, you can copy _both_ the CDs and DVDs from my > collection. (You'll need to look up how to use the readcd utility, if > it's unfamiliar. Do "readcd -scanbus" and "readcd dev=ATAPI -scanbus" > to find the right device specifier for the drive.) > > On the ever-popular question of choosing a distribution, my referenced > page (http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros) says: > > Undecided? Totally lost? Try the Linux Distribution Chooser.[1] For > further background, read Karsten's Distributions Guide[2] and > consult > DistroWatch[3]. > > [1] http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ > [2] http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html#distros > [3] http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major > > -- > Cheers, "Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that > song?" > Rick Moen -- Steven Wright > rick at linuxmafia.com > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Fri Mar 2 06:19:05 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 06:19:05 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <20070302073752.GN336@linuxmafia.com> References: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> <8C92AAAAA46D058-1458-60EE@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> <20070302073752.GN336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: bring your power brick and plug into one of the outlets that are against the walls under the windows. 's okay. On Mar 1, 2007, at 11:37 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting krmdv at aim.com (krmdv at aim.com): > >> INSTALL PARTY!!!!! COUNT ME IN!!! > > I hope you have either impressively long battery life or a plan for > dealing with the AC power situation at Javacat. > > (Maybe I'm being a pessimist, but in general the prospects for AC power > at cafes are dim.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Mar 2 10:39:30 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:39:30 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <826fabc33788af3f989e51c1afb73bef@well.com> References: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> <20070302031929.GL336@linuxmafia.com> <826fabc33788af3f989e51c1afb73bef@well.com> Message-ID: <20070302183930.GP336@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > erk, the javacat machine's got CD, > not DVD. Well, LANs are potentially your friend: If you read the DVD's image onto _some_ machine with a lot of free disk space (e.g., someone's laptop), then you can scp the file over an ethernet connection to the Javacat machine, at the time of your choosing. Or, of course, you could just buy a cheap ATAPI DVD drive, and just bolt it in. Combo drives are only about $35 (http://www.centralcomputers.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=27999&czuid=1172860422317). One can only do so much within reason, to overcome missing hardware. ;-> As you saw me mention on CABAL's mailing list, I had to make the judgement call to download just the DVD images for certain distros: In the case of RHEL5 beta 2, the alternative is to download _seven_ CD images per edition (for each of four editions), which gets kind of ridiculous after a while, and, realistically, any machine you'll actually want to run that on will have a DVD drive -- or should get one. (Putting a bog-standard ATAPI drive into a server or workstation box ain't brain surgery.) From sverma at sfsu.edu Fri Mar 2 11:27:43 2007 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:27:43 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E87AAF.802@sfsu.edu> jim stockford wrote: > why not? it's robust and rich. > Fedora is richer, but not as robust. > i got a bad attitude toward Ubuntu just now. > so why not CentOS on a laptop? > > Since Jim mentioned it, I'll say that I have a particularly *good* attitude toward Ubuntu [right now] :-) I also have a good attitude toward Fedora [right now] for running it on my servers. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From asheesh at asheesh.org Fri Mar 2 12:02:01 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:02:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <45E87AAF.802@sfsu.edu> References: <45E87AAF.802@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Sameer Verma wrote: > jim stockford wrote: >> why not? it's robust and rich. >> Fedora is richer, but not as robust. >> i got a bad attitude toward Ubuntu just now. >> so why not CentOS on a laptop? I've heard CentOS called many things, but never "rich". I haven't used it personally, only helped people when they've come running to me for an alternative. Tell me how well-supported getting multiple programs to play audio at once (using e.g. pulseaudio) is on CentOS. Tell me how well-supported sleep is on the most current laptops, and how much third-party software is available (from LyX and Firefox all the way to games like Frozen Bubble). Will she run into dependency hell trying to get new software installed, or is there a complete repository available with a point and click interface? Does it ship the latest (i.e., most compatible and most responsive) version of OpenOffice.org? When she wants to upgrade between versions, is there a graphical utility that does the upgrade? What about playing oddball media formats that she may run into? How about 3D acceleration? Will she have a large user community with whom to discuss problems when they arise? Not just a large user *base*, but a large group of people trying to do the same things she is (run a portable personal workstation, rather than a tethered corporate server). These are not fringe issues, these are core usability issues. And they are surely issues of "richness". For me, Ubuntu is #1 on these issues, and I hear Fedora is okay with them. The one time I saw CentOS on a laptop it was a nightmare on almost all of these counts, but hey, that almost half a year ago, and the CentOS version wasn't the current one. > Since Jim mentioned it, I'll say that I have a particularly *good* > attitude toward Ubuntu [right now] :-) I also have a good attitude > toward Fedora [right now] for running it on my servers. I have the same feeling as Sameer on Ubuntu, and I run Debian on my servers. (-: -- Asheesh. -- Q: Why do people who live near Niagara Falls have flat foreheads? A: Because every morning they wake up thinking "What *is* that noise? Oh, right, *of course*! From cdubois at n-vint.com Fri Mar 2 12:21:10 2007 From: cdubois at n-vint.com (Casey DuBois) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:21:10 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] 50 cent licensing fee ?? Message-ID: <93F429C55C374B41AA4C9BB584815B6D95DA64@nvsbs2003.N-Vint.local> http://www.thisweeknews.com/?sec=home&story=sites/thisweeknews/022207/Be xley/News/022207-News-310108.html Casey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pjlegato at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 13:14:59 2007 From: pjlegato at gmail.com (Paul Legato) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:14:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] 50 cent licensing fee ?? In-Reply-To: <93F429C55C374B41AA4C9BB584815B6D95DA64@nvsbs2003.N-Vint.local> References: <93F429C55C374B41AA4C9BB584815B6D95DA64@nvsbs2003.N-Vint.local> Message-ID: <80414390703021314w4b8ec360rafc56dfa96def1d9@mail.gmail.com> 50 cents per user was probably the cost that their IT shop quoted for the upgrade. The reporter and the interviewee, not aware of the intricacies of open source licensing, assumed that was a "licensing fee", since they're familiar with that concept from many years of buying Windows upgrade after upgrade.. Cheers. Paul On 3/2/07, Casey DuBois wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.thisweeknews.com/?sec=home&story=sites/thisweeknews/022207/Bexley/News/022207-News-310108.html > > > > Casey > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > From ian at linefeed.org Sat Mar 3 00:20:20 2007 From: ian at linefeed.org (Ian) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:20:20 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] New SF Community Colo up and running Message-ID: (You may have already gotten this announcement on another LUG list. For the duplicate, I apologize. This is a one-time announcement to this list, intended solely to spread the word that we exist as a new colo resource for folks interested. I appreciate your patience and understanding) Hello SFLUG people, We are writing because SFLUG folks might be interested in a new non-commercial, community network with a colocation facility in downtown San Francisco. If you operate a server for an open source project, a non-profit organization or non-commercial personal use, you qualify to host your server at the San Francisco Community Colocation Project's colo at 6th & Brannan in downtown San Francisco. Your share of the collectively-purchased space & bandwidth starts around $45/1U/month. We have helped run a non-profit colo facility in the Bay Area for 5 years -- and now we are opening the doors to our newest colo in SF. We are part of a network that includes other community colos in Seattle, Chicago, Toronto and Washington DC. We are also committed to the protection of online free speech. In 2003, for example, we received a DMCA take-down order from Diebold regarding documents that had been posted to our servers that shed an embarrassing light on Diebold's eletronic voting machines. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) took up the case and Diebold backed down. A corporate colo probably would have forced the client to comply with Diebold's lawyers. If any of this sounds good to you, please get in touch! 1) Email us -> inquire at sfccp.net 2) Call us -> (415) 887-7679 3) Check out our website -> http://www.sfccp.net/ For more information on the Diebold case, see http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/27/050218 Thanks for your time, Ian McLeod San Francisco Community Colocation Project www.sfccp.net From nbs at sonic.net Sat Mar 3 06:50:26 2007 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 06:50:26 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] [fwd] FLOSS Usability IV -- March 9-11, 2007 [Mountain View] Message-ID: <20070303145026.GF29255@sonic.net> ----- Forwarded message from Eugene Eric Kim ----- Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:55:25 -0800 From: Eugene Eric Kim Subject: [sprint] FLOSS Usability IV -- March 9-11, 2007 To: sprint at flossusability.org Reply-To: sprint at flossusability.org Hi everybody, FLOSS Usability IV will be happening next weekend, March 9-11, 2007. Once again, Google will be graciously hosting our event. I'm still in the process of confirming project participants this time, but Firefox will be one of them. It should be another outstanding event. If you're interested in participating, please register at: http://www.flossusability.org/ We're especially looking for usability practitioners, so please register and please spread the word. Thanks! Looking forward to seeing many of you soon. =Eugene -- ========================================================================= Eugene Eric Kim ................................... http://xri.net/=eekim Blue Oxen Associates ........................... http://www.blueoxen.com/ ========================================================================= -- This message is archived at: http://www.flossusability.org/forums/cgi-bin/mesg.cgi?a=sprint&i=45E775FD.8080002 at blueoxen.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From jim at well.com Sat Mar 3 10:14:44 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:14:44 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <20070302183930.GP336@linuxmafia.com> References: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> <20070302031929.GL336@linuxmafia.com> <826fabc33788af3f989e51c1afb73bef@well.com> <20070302183930.GP336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: someone emailed me directly and offered a spare DVD; if that person brings it sometime, we'll all have the opportunity to install some hardware and then tear our hair out finding the right drivers and applications. it'll be good practice using the DISPLAY environment variable, too. On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > >> erk, the javacat machine's got CD, >> not DVD. > > Well, LANs are potentially your friend: If you read the DVD's image > onto _some_ machine with a lot of free disk space (e.g., someone's > laptop), then you can scp the file over an ethernet connection to the > Javacat machine, at the time of your choosing. > > Or, of course, you could just buy a cheap ATAPI DVD drive, and just > bolt > it in. Combo drives are only about $35 > (http://www.centralcomputers.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp? > product_id=27999&czuid=1172860422317). > > One can only do so much within reason, to overcome missing hardware. > ;-> > > As you saw me mention on CABAL's mailing list, I had to make the > judgement call to download just the DVD images for certain distros: In > the case of RHEL5 beta 2, the alternative is to download _seven_ CD > images per edition (for each of four editions), which gets kind of > ridiculous after a while, and, realistically, any machine you'll > actually want to run that on will have a DVD drive -- or should get > one. > > (Putting a bog-standard ATAPI drive into a server or workstation box > ain't brain surgery.) > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Sat Mar 3 10:33:02 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:33:02 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: References: <45E87AAF.802@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <0aaf86e1a687e299602278a0fed41bb3@well.com> good response, i'll try to tell you after I know myself. my guess is that some people use their laptops for email and web browsing mainly and occasionally for light word processing. i'm sure some people go for heavier-duty word processing and spreadsheeting. i also guess there are only some people who use their laptops to run significant audio apps and only some who have a need for 3D and games. use reflects generational and other personal interest dimensions. as to community, there's a thriving CentOS mailing list and the OS is so similar to Red Hat's product that she, if she wishes, can benefit from lots of online and printed info that's RH oriented. but i'm bound by my own limitations: email and web browsing, no interest in games or media, maybe a little vi if i want to write a note or two, wget, links, rpm at the command line--my primary use is that of studying RHEL configuration so's to get paid to operate some tethered corporate server. as to point and click update management, sleep mode, configuring third-party software, oddball media formats, and more, those are very good points. I donno--my CentOS is on tower boxes. fortunately i'll also have fedora core DVDs with me. unfortunately her laptop may only have a CD drive. I guess I'll bring some (older) Ubuntu disks and hope someone else brings the latest Ubuntu, to give her some choices. what was that noise? thanks lots for the helpful note. jim On Mar 2, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Sameer Verma wrote: > >> jim stockford wrote: >>> why not? it's robust and rich. >>> Fedora is richer, but not as robust. >>> i got a bad attitude toward Ubuntu just now. >>> so why not CentOS on a laptop? > > I've heard CentOS called many things, but never "rich". I haven't > used it > personally, only helped people when they've come running to me for an > alternative. > > Tell me how well-supported getting multiple programs to play audio at > once > (using e.g. pulseaudio) is on CentOS. Tell me how well-supported > sleep is > on the most current laptops, and how much third-party software is > available (from LyX and Firefox all the way to games like Frozen > Bubble). > Will she run into dependency hell trying to get new software > installed, or > is there a complete repository available with a point and click > interface? > Does it ship the latest (i.e., most compatible and most responsive) > version of OpenOffice.org? > > When she wants to upgrade between versions, is there a graphical > utility > that does the upgrade? What about playing oddball media formats that > she > may run into? How about 3D acceleration? > > Will she have a large user community with whom to discuss problems when > they arise? Not just a large user *base*, but a large group of people > trying to do the same things she is (run a portable personal > workstation, > rather than a tethered corporate server). > > These are not fringe issues, these are core usability issues. And they > are surely issues of "richness". > > For me, Ubuntu is #1 on these issues, and I hear Fedora is okay with > them. > The one time I saw CentOS on a laptop it was a nightmare on almost all > of > these counts, but hey, that almost half a year ago, and the CentOS > version > wasn't the current one. > >> Since Jim mentioned it, I'll say that I have a particularly *good* >> attitude toward Ubuntu [right now] :-) I also have a good attitude >> toward Fedora [right now] for running it on my servers. > > I have the same feeling as Sameer on Ubuntu, and I run Debian on my > servers. (-: > > -- Asheesh. > > -- > Q: Why do people who live near Niagara Falls have flat foreheads? > A: Because every morning they wake up thinking "What *is* that noise? > Oh, right, *of course*! > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Sat Mar 3 11:00:11 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:00:11 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Job Posting: Linux Opening at Lucasfilm Message-ID: <5bcd3d25042cd65e9e2520977f95973f@well.com> > I am a recruiter with Lucasfilm here on the presidio. We have been > banging our heads against the wall on this opening, as it is somewhat > mid level, and supports production people on Linux machines. It > doesn?t have a high salary attached to it, but we are a fun company to > work with. > ? > ?Position Summary: A high availability position, providing front-line > technical knowledge and support to users in a multi-production > environment, documenting all incoming requests, and acting as a > central point of communication between users and other IT support > groups. > > Responsibilities: > ? Provide excellent customer service in a high-pressure, production > environment while successfully navigating conflicting priorities, > deadlines, and occasional process ambiguity. > ? Field incoming phone, email, and Remedy tickets, ensuring timely > updates and complete information are provided to all concerned > parties. > ? Identify and recommend approved work-around solutions to technical > issues as needed. > ? Troubleshoot and resolve issues via remote control tools as > appropriate. > ? Document and communicate all system support issues with end users, > IT staff, and management. > ? Perform basic system administration duties as directed - Create > and manage user accounts (Unix and Active Directory, FTP, etc.). > ? Plan, develop, and maintain individual project schedules. > ? Perform special projects as necessary. > > Education, Experience and Skills: > ? 1-2 years of Service Desk/Help Desk support experience -- > ? Extremely strong and demonstrated customer service skills - as > well as the ability to communicate professionally with a sense of > urgency and empathy to the affected user. > ? Strong front-line support technical knowledge, including, but not > limited to: Linux Operating systems (SUSE), Windows (2000 and XP) and > ? Knowledge of Remedy preferred -- experience with similar > ticket-tracking/request system workflow tool considered. > ? Excellent understanding of technology and the role of the "client" > in relation to the larger IT infrastructure. > ? Self-starter, strong organizational skills and ability to > prioritize workload -- someone who is energized by helping people and > making things happen. > ? Team player who is invested in and strives to maximize > team/department performance. > ? Detailed-oriented and be able to handle a variety of tasks in an > efficient, accurate manner. > ? ITIL certification a plus. > ? ?if you are interested in this position, please email your resume > to? > joshua.thomas at lucasfilm.com ? > or ? > fax to 415 746-5530, or > mail to Human Resources, > P.O. Box 29919 , > San Francisco, CA 94129 > or you can apply online at http://www.lucasfilm.com/employment > ? > Josh Thomas? > Lucasfilm Entertainment Co, Ltd. > 415.746.5195 desk > 415-505-5407?cell > joshua.thomas at lucasfilm.com?? > http://www.lucasfilm.com/employment/jobs/ > Click here for ?Life at Lucas? > ? > ? From jim at well.com Sat Mar 3 11:16:38 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:16:38 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] New SF Community Colo up and running In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58469901d6c2da213bd0c59805c7b5a2@well.com> following up on this-- currently SF-LUG has a machine (one of jim's towers) at the coloserve/servepath facility on Spear Street, at no charge thanks to Paul Lancaster of ColoServe. myself, i'd like to be supportive of the SFCCP colo project at 6th and Brannon. in the early days of the group there was discussion of a small group of us buying a colo spot for various personal projects. i'd be up for sharing the cost of a 2-U space, even willing to buy a box to go in it (it'd be my box, but you could do as you please). anyone interested in a SF-LUG playpen? On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:20 AM, Ian wrote: > (You may have already gotten this announcement on another LUG list. > For the duplicate, I apologize. This is a one-time announcement to > this list, intended solely to spread the word that we exist as a new > colo resource for folks interested. I appreciate your patience and > understanding) > > Hello SFLUG people, > > We are writing because SFLUG folks might be interested in a new > non-commercial, community network with a colocation facility in > downtown San Francisco. > > If you operate a server for an open source project, a non-profit > organization or non-commercial personal use, you qualify to host your > server at the San Francisco Community Colocation Project's colo at 6th > & Brannan in downtown San Francisco. > > Your share of the collectively-purchased space & bandwidth starts > around $45/1U/month. > > We have helped run a non-profit colo facility in the Bay Area for 5 > years -- and now we are opening the doors to our newest colo in SF. We > are part of a network that includes other community colos in Seattle, > Chicago, Toronto and Washington DC. > > We are also committed to the protection of online free speech. In > 2003, for example, we received a DMCA take-down order from Diebold > regarding documents that had been posted to our servers that shed an > embarrassing light on Diebold's eletronic voting machines. The > Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) took up the case and Diebold > backed down. A corporate colo probably would have forced the client to > comply with Diebold's lawyers. > > If any of this sounds good to you, please get in touch! > > 1) Email us -> inquire at sfccp.net > 2) Call us -> (415) 887-7679 > 3) Check out our website -> http://www.sfccp.net/ > > For more information on the Diebold case, see > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/27/050218 > > Thanks for your time, > > Ian McLeod > San Francisco Community Colocation Project > www.sfccp.net > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From dudrenov at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 11:31:59 2007 From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:31:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] New SF Community Colo up and running In-Reply-To: <58469901d6c2da213bd0c59805c7b5a2@well.com> References: <58469901d6c2da213bd0c59805c7b5a2@well.com> Message-ID: <10c3e4e00703031131raa18a78gb42305d70f6ff434@mail.gmail.com> Jim, I have a dual XEON 2.5Ghz, just siting here, gathering dust. Don't even remember how much ram it has . It was 2 or 4 gigs. On that note I'm down to to share the cost and have the machine used to the benefit of sf-lug, so far as I can use it for a couple of personal project myself. All the best, Pavel On 3/3/07, jim stockford wrote: > > > following up on this-- > currently SF-LUG has a machine (one of jim's towers) > at the coloserve/servepath facility on Spear Street, at no > charge thanks to Paul Lancaster of ColoServe. > > myself, i'd like to be supportive of the SFCCP colo > project at 6th and Brannon. > in the early days of the group there was discussion of > a small group of us buying a colo spot for various > personal projects. > i'd be up for sharing the cost of a 2-U space, even > willing to buy a box to go in it (it'd be my box, but > you could do as you please). > anyone interested in a SF-LUG playpen? > > > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:20 AM, Ian wrote: > > > (You may have already gotten this announcement on another LUG list. > > For the duplicate, I apologize. This is a one-time announcement to > > this list, intended solely to spread the word that we exist as a new > > colo resource for folks interested. I appreciate your patience and > > understanding) > > > > Hello SFLUG people, > > > > We are writing because SFLUG folks might be interested in a new > > non-commercial, community network with a colocation facility in > > downtown San Francisco. > > > > If you operate a server for an open source project, a non-profit > > organization or non-commercial personal use, you qualify to host your > > server at the San Francisco Community Colocation Project's colo at 6th > > & Brannan in downtown San Francisco. > > > > Your share of the collectively-purchased space & bandwidth starts > > around $45/1U/month. > > > > We have helped run a non-profit colo facility in the Bay Area for 5 > > years -- and now we are opening the doors to our newest colo in SF. We > > are part of a network that includes other community colos in Seattle, > > Chicago, Toronto and Washington DC. > > > > We are also committed to the protection of online free speech. In > > 2003, for example, we received a DMCA take-down order from Diebold > > regarding documents that had been posted to our servers that shed an > > embarrassing light on Diebold's eletronic voting machines. The > > Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) took up the case and Diebold > > backed down. A corporate colo probably would have forced the client to > > comply with Diebold's lawyers. > > > > If any of this sounds good to you, please get in touch! > > > > 1) Email us -> inquire at sfccp.net > > 2) Call us -> (415) 887-7679 > > 3) Check out our website -> http://www.sfccp.net/ > > > > For more information on the Diebold case, see > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/27/050218 > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > > Ian McLeod > > San Francisco Community Colocation Project > > www.sfccp.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Sat Mar 3 12:40:37 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:40:37 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] New SF Community Colo up and running In-Reply-To: <10c3e4e00703031131raa18a78gb42305d70f6ff434@mail.gmail.com> References: <58469901d6c2da213bd0c59805c7b5a2@well.com> <10c3e4e00703031131raa18a78gb42305d70f6ff434@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: extra cool! what's the form factor for your box? 1U, 2U, ? On Mar 3, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Pavel Dudrenov wrote: > Jim, > > I have a dual XEON 2.5Ghz, just siting here, gathering dust. Don't > even remember how much ram it has . It was 2 or 4 gigs. > > On that note I'm down to to share the cost and have the machine used > to the benefit of sf-lug, so far as I can use it for a couple of > personal project myself. > > All the best, > Pavel > > On 3/3/07, jim stockford wrote: >> following up on this-- >> ????currently SF-LUG has a machine (one of jim's towers) >> at the coloserve/servepath facility on Spear Street, at no >> charge thanks to Paul Lancaster of ColoServe. >> >> ????myself, i'd like to be supportive of the SFCCP colo >> project at 6th and Brannon. >> ????in the early days of the group there was discussion of >> a small group of us buying a colo spot for various >> personal projects. >> ????i'd be up for sharing the cost of a 2-U space, even >> willing to buy a box to go in it (it'd be my box, but >> you could do as you please). >> ????anyone interested in a SF-LUG playpen? >> >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:20 AM, Ian wrote: >> >> > (You may have already gotten this announcement on another LUG list. >> > For the duplicate, I apologize. This is a one-time announcement to >> > this list, intended solely to spread the word that we exist as a new >> > colo resource for folks interested. I appreciate your patience and >> > understanding) >> > >> > Hello SFLUG people, >> > >> > We are writing because SFLUG folks might be interested in a new >> > non-commercial, community network with a colocation facility in >> > downtown San Francisco. >> > >> > If you operate a server for an open source project, a non-profit >> > organization or non-commercial personal use, you qualify to host >> your >> > server at the San Francisco Community Colocation Project's colo at >> 6th >> > & Brannan in downtown San Francisco. >> > >> > Your share of the collectively-purchased space & bandwidth starts >> > around $45/1U/month. >> > >> > We have helped run a non-profit colo facility in the Bay Area for 5 >> > years -- and now we are opening the doors to our newest colo in SF. >> We >> > are part of a network that includes other community colos in >> Seattle, >> > Chicago, Toronto and Washington DC. >> > >> > We are also committed to the protection of online free speech. In >> > 2003, for example, we received a DMCA take-down order from Diebold >> > regarding documents that had been posted to our servers that shed an >> > embarrassing light on Diebold's eletronic voting machines. The >> > Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) took up the case and Diebold >> > backed down. A corporate colo probably would have forced the client >> to >> > comply with Diebold's lawyers. >> > >> > If any of this sounds good to you, please get in touch! >> > >> > 1) Email us -> inquire at sfccp.net >> > 2) Call us -> (415) 887-7679 >> > 3) Check out our website -> http://www.sfccp.net/ >> > >> > For more information on the Diebold case, see >> > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/27/050218 >> > >> > Thanks for your time, >> > >> > Ian McLeod >> > San Francisco Community Colocation Project >> > www.sfccp.net >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sf-lug mailing list >> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Sat Mar 3 13:08:06 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:08:06 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] opportunity for volunteer sysadm Message-ID: <25f716adf22815688fb5921f9801c5e2@well.com> i noticed this in the sfccp email to us: http://www.sfccp.net/volunteer.html if you want to get into the biz, this might be one way to foot-in-the-door--be a volunteer sysadm for sfccp. Don't forget SF-LUG welcomes volunteer sysadm efforts, too. build your resume by doing both! From dudrenov at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 13:40:42 2007 From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:40:42 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] New SF Community Colo up and running In-Reply-To: References: <58469901d6c2da213bd0c59805c7b5a2@well.com> <10c3e4e00703031131raa18a78gb42305d70f6ff434@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10c3e4e00703031340h32eeaf5dr8f35615d74b93bf8@mail.gmail.com> It's 1U, but those long ones. They gave it to me from work, cuz' they are switching to the newer small ones, that you can fit two of them on 1 rack space. I'm looking forward meeting everyone tomorrow. And we can figure details then. All the best, Pavel On 3/3/07, jim stockford wrote: > > > extra cool! what's the form factor for your box? > 1U, 2U, ? > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Pavel Dudrenov wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I have a dual XEON 2.5Ghz, just siting here, gathering dust. Don't > > even remember how much ram it has . It was 2 or 4 gigs. > > > > On that note I'm down to to share the cost and have the machine used > > to the benefit of sf-lug, so far as I can use it for a couple of > > personal project myself. > > > > All the best, > > Pavel > > > > On 3/3/07, jim stockford wrote: > >> following up on this-- > >> currently SF-LUG has a machine (one of jim's towers) > >> at the coloserve/servepath facility on Spear Street, at no > >> charge thanks to Paul Lancaster of ColoServe. > >> > >> myself, i'd like to be supportive of the SFCCP colo > >> project at 6th and Brannon. > >> in the early days of the group there was discussion of > >> a small group of us buying a colo spot for various > >> personal projects. > >> i'd be up for sharing the cost of a 2-U space, even > >> willing to buy a box to go in it (it'd be my box, but > >> you could do as you please). > >> anyone interested in a SF-LUG playpen? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:20 AM, Ian wrote: > >> > >> > (You may have already gotten this announcement on another LUG list. > >> > For the duplicate, I apologize. This is a one-time announcement to > >> > this list, intended solely to spread the word that we exist as a new > >> > colo resource for folks interested. I appreciate your patience and > >> > understanding) > >> > > >> > Hello SFLUG people, > >> > > >> > We are writing because SFLUG folks might be interested in a new > >> > non-commercial, community network with a colocation facility in > >> > downtown San Francisco. > >> > > >> > If you operate a server for an open source project, a non-profit > >> > organization or non-commercial personal use, you qualify to host > >> your > >> > server at the San Francisco Community Colocation Project's colo at > >> 6th > >> > & Brannan in downtown San Francisco. > >> > > >> > Your share of the collectively-purchased space & bandwidth starts > >> > around $45/1U/month. > >> > > >> > We have helped run a non-profit colo facility in the Bay Area for 5 > >> > years -- and now we are opening the doors to our newest colo in SF. > >> We > >> > are part of a network that includes other community colos in > >> Seattle, > >> > Chicago, Toronto and Washington DC. > >> > > >> > We are also committed to the protection of online free speech. In > >> > 2003, for example, we received a DMCA take-down order from Diebold > >> > regarding documents that had been posted to our servers that shed an > >> > embarrassing light on Diebold's eletronic voting machines. The > >> > Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) took up the case and Diebold > >> > backed down. 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URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 3 14:10:48 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:10:48 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, and has reasonable battery life. (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from strangers for free.) I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach how to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL elaborates on that point.) You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially where laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy people buy used.) You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their experience: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ http://tuxmobil.org/ It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown for commands below.) # dmesg | more CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 OK, it's a single-proc PIII. ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. Running at 500 Mhz. Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_I RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Two serial ports. SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model designation 53c875). blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) Partition check: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected Two UHCI-type USB ports. Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation e100: selftest OK. e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection e100: selftest OK. e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection Hardware receive checksums enabled cpu cycle saver enabled A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. # lspci | more 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 (rev 37) 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 (rev 37) 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 05) 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip is where the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of the 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not support properly, upon bootup. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, network, and other very high-speed devices. [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 From asheesh at asheesh.org Sat Mar 3 14:53:17 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:53:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Rick Moen wrote: > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > and has reasonable battery life. I love love love my ThinkPad T43. The T4x (i.e., T40, T41, T42, ...) series available for ca. $600-$900 depending on screen resolution and model (1400x1050 in 14" is totally sweet, but I lived with 1024x768 for a while). They are very reliable, not very heavy, are fairly small, and have good batteries. The T43 has a little shorter battery life than the older models at the cost of a marginally faster CPU. Mine is a T43 now (used to have a T40, now my dad has it and loves it), and I'm okay with it but would rather trade the CPU down in exchange for a teensy bit more battery and a teensy bit lower weight. (But I'll never go back to 1024x768 on a laptop again!) And they all have video cards that can run Beryl and other neato features of 3D accelerated desktops, all using Free Software drivers. Sleep in Ubuntu works great, and the series of laptops is widely-used by Free Software/open source developers all over - when I was at the GPLv3 conference at MIT in January 2006, this was the most common laptop series I saw - so good support in the any reasonable Linux distribution is pretty much guaranteed. And they have Pentium M CPUs, which are widely known as excellent. They're also extremely upgradeable and repairable. If you want to buy a used one, you could look at eBay or craigslist or http://forum.thinkpads.com/ , a ThinkPad user forum that is where I've bought my current T43 and some parts. (I even helped a friend upgrade his LCD screen to the high-res one; they're *that* upgradeable!) As I understand it, Lenovo/IBM warranties transfer automatically between people on sale, so you might as well try to get one that's still in warranty. Let me know if you want to know more. :-) I'd bring it to an SF-LUG meeting but I won't be back in the area until the summer. I'm looking forward to being back in town. -- Asheesh. -- QOTD: "It's not the despair... I can stand the despair. It's the hope." From dudrenov at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 17:20:24 2007 From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:20:24 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <10c3e4e00703031720r313df2adk2cbeb3511ab505a@mail.gmail.com> The private was a pure accident. I pressed "reply" instead of "reply all" by mistake. My apologies. On 3/3/07, Rick Moen wrote: > > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > and has reasonable battery life. > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > strangers for free.) > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach how > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > elaborates on that point.) > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially where > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > people buy used.) > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > experience: > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > for commands below.) > > # dmesg | more > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT > SHARE_I > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > Two serial ports. > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > designation 53c875). > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > Partition check: > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > Hardware receive checksums enabled > cpu cycle saver enabled > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > # lspci | more > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX > Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 05) > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 08) > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev > 02) > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev > 01) > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > (rev 01) > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip is > where > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of the > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > support properly, upon bootup. > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > network, and other very high-speed devices. > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 3/3/07, Rick Moen wrote: > > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > and has reasonable battery life. > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > strangers for free.) > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach how > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > elaborates on that point.) > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially where > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > people buy used.) > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > experience: > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > for commands below.) > > # dmesg | more > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT > SHARE_I > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > Two serial ports. > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > designation 53c875). > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > Partition check: > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > Hardware receive checksums enabled > cpu cycle saver enabled > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > # lspci | more > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX > Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 05) > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 08) > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev > 02) > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev > 01) > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > (rev 01) > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip is > where > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of the > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > support properly, upon bootup. > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > network, and other very high-speed devices. > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dudrenov at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 17:20:24 2007 From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:20:24 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <10c3e4e00703031720r313df2adk2cbeb3511ab505a@mail.gmail.com> The private was a pure accident. I pressed "reply" instead of "reply all" by mistake. My apologies. On 3/3/07, Rick Moen wrote: > > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > and has reasonable battery life. > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > strangers for free.) > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach how > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > elaborates on that point.) > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially where > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > people buy used.) > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > experience: > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > for commands below.) > > # dmesg | more > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT > SHARE_I > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > Two serial ports. > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > designation 53c875). > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > Partition check: > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > Hardware receive checksums enabled > cpu cycle saver enabled > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > # lspci | more > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX > Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 05) > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 08) > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev > 02) > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev > 01) > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > (rev 01) > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip is > where > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of the > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > support properly, upon bootup. > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > network, and other very high-speed devices. > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Sat Mar 3 18:07:26 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:07:26 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <96cfa9d8c18d704a8bbc7113068675cd@well.com> i get email direct, too, and would prefer to get mail via the list so all can benefit (and the sender benefit from greater knowledge of the whole group). if i were to pick between advice from jim (me) and advice from rick, i'd pick advice from rick in a heartbeat. However, as an example of greater group knowledge, the following tidbit is different from his and might be helpful: http://www.shoprcubed.com/ http://www.rcubedtech.com/ This company, R Cubed, sells inexpensive laptops. If you click the URLs, some of you might recognize this seeming reprobate from geek magazines--my kind of guy.... I bought a laptop from R cubed for about $1000 and am very happy with it. They give good service and the machine still works. They provide choices of linux distros, including Ubuntu and Fedora. if I remember, i'll bring it to tomorrow's meeting (Sunday at the javacat in SF on Geary at 20th avenue from 11 AM till 1 PM). On Mar 3, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > and has reasonable battery life. > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > strangers for free.) > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach > how > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > elaborates on that point.) > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially > where > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > people buy used.) > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > experience: > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > for commands below.) > > # dmesg | more > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS > MULTIPORT SHARE_I > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > Two serial ports. > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > designation 53c875). > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > Partition check: > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > Hardware receive checksums enabled > cpu cycle saver enabled > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > # lspci | more > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - > 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 > [Ethernet Pro 100] > (rev 05) > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 > [Ethernet Pro 100] > (rev 08) > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA > (rev 02) > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE > (rev 01) > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > (rev 01) > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev > 02) > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip > is where > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of > the > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > support properly, upon bootup. > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > network, and other very high-speed devices. > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From johnlowry at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 18:15:16 2007 From: johnlowry at gmail.com (John ) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:15:16 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <96cfa9d8c18d704a8bbc7113068675cd@well.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> <96cfa9d8c18d704a8bbc7113068675cd@well.com> Message-ID: <528b20610703031815g36c053b0o89706ab196feb69e@mail.gmail.com> A favorite of mine is system76 . Ubuntu is the only distro of choice, but they make sure all the hardware works with linux. On 3/3/07, jim stockford wrote: > > > i get email direct, too, and would prefer to get > mail via the list so all can benefit (and the > sender benefit from greater knowledge of the > whole group). > > if i were to pick between advice from jim (me) > and advice from rick, i'd pick advice from rick > in a heartbeat. > > However, as an example of greater group > knowledge, the following tidbit is different > from his and might be helpful: > > http://www.shoprcubed.com/ > http://www.rcubedtech.com/ > This company, R Cubed, sells inexpensive > laptops. > > If you click the URLs, some of you might > recognize this seeming reprobate from geek > magazines--my kind of guy.... > I bought a laptop from R cubed for about > $1000 and am very happy with it. They give > good service and the machine still works. > They provide choices of linux distros, including > Ubuntu and Fedora. > if I remember, i'll bring it to tomorrow's meeting > (Sunday at the javacat in SF on Geary at 20th > avenue from 11 AM till 1 PM). > > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > > and has reasonable battery life. > > > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > > strangers for free.) > > > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach > > how > > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > > elaborates on that point.) > > > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially > > where > > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > > people buy used.) > > > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > > experience: > > > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > > for commands below.) > > > > # dmesg | more > > > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS > > MULTIPORT SHARE_I > > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > > > Two serial ports. > > > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > > designation 53c875). > > > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > > Partition check: > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > > usb.c: registered new driver hub > > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > > hub.c: USB hub found > > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > > e100: selftest OK. > > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > > e100: selftest OK. > > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > > Hardware receive checksums enabled > > cpu cycle saver enabled > > > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > > > # lspci | more > > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - > > 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > > (rev 37) > > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > > (rev 37) > > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 > > [Ethernet Pro 100] > > (rev 05) > > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 > > [Ethernet Pro 100] > > (rev 08) > > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA > > (rev 02) > > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE > > (rev 01) > > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > > (rev 01) > > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev > > 02) > > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip > > is where > > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of > > the > > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > > support properly, upon bootup. > > > > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > > network, and other very high-speed devices. > > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -- John Lowry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnlowry at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 18:15:16 2007 From: johnlowry at gmail.com (John ) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:15:16 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <96cfa9d8c18d704a8bbc7113068675cd@well.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> <96cfa9d8c18d704a8bbc7113068675cd@well.com> Message-ID: <528b20610703031815g36c053b0o89706ab196feb69e@mail.gmail.com> A favorite of mine is system76 . Ubuntu is the only distro of choice, but they make sure all the hardware works with linux. On 3/3/07, jim stockford wrote: > > > i get email direct, too, and would prefer to get > mail via the list so all can benefit (and the > sender benefit from greater knowledge of the > whole group). > > if i were to pick between advice from jim (me) > and advice from rick, i'd pick advice from rick > in a heartbeat. > > However, as an example of greater group > knowledge, the following tidbit is different > from his and might be helpful: > > http://www.shoprcubed.com/ > http://www.rcubedtech.com/ > This company, R Cubed, sells inexpensive > laptops. > > If you click the URLs, some of you might > recognize this seeming reprobate from geek > magazines--my kind of guy.... > I bought a laptop from R cubed for about > $1000 and am very happy with it. They give > good service and the machine still works. > They provide choices of linux distros, including > Ubuntu and Fedora. > if I remember, i'll bring it to tomorrow's meeting > (Sunday at the javacat in SF on Geary at 20th > avenue from 11 AM till 1 PM). > > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > > and has reasonable battery life. > > > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > > strangers for free.) > > > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach > > how > > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > > elaborates on that point.) > > > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially > > where > > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > > people buy used.) > > > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > > experience: > > > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > > for commands below.) > > > > # dmesg | more > > > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS > > MULTIPORT SHARE_I > > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > > > Two serial ports. > > > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > > designation 53c875). > > > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > > Partition check: > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > > usb.c: registered new driver hub > > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > > hub.c: USB hub found > > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > > e100: selftest OK. > > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > > e100: selftest OK. > > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > > Hardware receive checksums enabled > > cpu cycle saver enabled > > > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > > > # lspci | more > > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - > > 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > > (rev 37) > > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > > (rev 37) > > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 > > [Ethernet Pro 100] > > (rev 05) > > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 > > [Ethernet Pro 100] > > (rev 08) > > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA > > (rev 02) > > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE > > (rev 01) > > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > > (rev 01) > > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev > > 02) > > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip > > is where > > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of > > the > > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > > support properly, upon bootup. > > > > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > > network, and other very high-speed devices. > > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -- John Lowry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dudrenov at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 17:20:24 2007 From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:20:24 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <10c3e4e00703031720r313df2adk2cbeb3511ab505a@mail.gmail.com> The private was a pure accident. I pressed "reply" instead of "reply all" by mistake. My apologies. On 3/3/07, Rick Moen wrote: > > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > and has reasonable battery life. > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > strangers for free.) > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach how > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > elaborates on that point.) > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially where > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > people buy used.) > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > experience: > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > for commands below.) > > # dmesg | more > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT > SHARE_I > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > Two serial ports. > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > designation 53c875). > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > Partition check: > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > Hardware receive checksums enabled > cpu cycle saver enabled > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > # lspci | more > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX > Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 05) > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 08) > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev > 02) > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev > 01) > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > (rev 01) > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip is > where > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of the > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > support properly, upon bootup. > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > network, and other very high-speed devices. > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnlowry at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 18:15:16 2007 From: johnlowry at gmail.com (John ) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:15:16 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <96cfa9d8c18d704a8bbc7113068675cd@well.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> <96cfa9d8c18d704a8bbc7113068675cd@well.com> Message-ID: <528b20610703031815g36c053b0o89706ab196feb69e@mail.gmail.com> A favorite of mine is system76 . Ubuntu is the only distro of choice, but they make sure all the hardware works with linux. On 3/3/07, jim stockford wrote: > > > i get email direct, too, and would prefer to get > mail via the list so all can benefit (and the > sender benefit from greater knowledge of the > whole group). > > if i were to pick between advice from jim (me) > and advice from rick, i'd pick advice from rick > in a heartbeat. > > However, as an example of greater group > knowledge, the following tidbit is different > from his and might be helpful: > > http://www.shoprcubed.com/ > http://www.rcubedtech.com/ > This company, R Cubed, sells inexpensive > laptops. > > If you click the URLs, some of you might > recognize this seeming reprobate from geek > magazines--my kind of guy.... > I bought a laptop from R cubed for about > $1000 and am very happy with it. They give > good service and the machine still works. > They provide choices of linux distros, including > Ubuntu and Fedora. > if I remember, i'll bring it to tomorrow's meeting > (Sunday at the javacat in SF on Geary at 20th > avenue from 11 AM till 1 PM). > > > On Mar 3, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > > and has reasonable battery life. > > > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > > strangers for free.) > > > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach > > how > > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > > elaborates on that point.) > > > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially > > where > > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > > people buy used.) > > > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > > experience: > > > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > > for commands below.) > > > > # dmesg | more > > > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS > > MULTIPORT SHARE_I > > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > > > Two serial ports. > > > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > > designation 53c875). > > > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > > Partition check: > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > > usb.c: registered new driver hub > > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > > hub.c: USB hub found > > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > > e100: selftest OK. > > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > > e100: selftest OK. > > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > > Hardware receive checksums enabled > > cpu cycle saver enabled > > > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > > > # lspci | more > > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - > > 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > > (rev 37) > > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > > (rev 37) > > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 > > [Ethernet Pro 100] > > (rev 05) > > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 > > [Ethernet Pro 100] > > (rev 08) > > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA > > (rev 02) > > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE > > (rev 01) > > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > > (rev 01) > > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev > > 02) > > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip > > is where > > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of > > the > > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > > support properly, upon bootup. > > > > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > > network, and other very high-speed devices. > > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -- John Lowry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dudrenov at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 17:20:24 2007 From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:20:24 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <10c3e4e00703031720r313df2adk2cbeb3511ab505a@mail.gmail.com> The private was a pure accident. I pressed "reply" instead of "reply all" by mistake. My apologies. On 3/3/07, Rick Moen wrote: > > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > and has reasonable battery life. > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > strangers for free.) > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach how > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > elaborates on that point.) > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially where > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > people buy used.) > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > experience: > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > for commands below.) > > # dmesg | more > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT > SHARE_I > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > Two serial ports. > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > designation 53c875). > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > Partition check: > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > Hardware receive checksums enabled > cpu cycle saver enabled > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > # lspci | more > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX > Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 05) > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 08) > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev > 02) > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev > 01) > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > (rev 01) > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip is > where > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of the > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > support properly, upon bootup. > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > network, and other very high-speed devices. > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 3/3/07, Rick Moen wrote: > > A list-member wrote me offlist to ask me what laptop I would recommend > for Linux use, that ordinary humans can afford, doesn't weigh too much, > and has reasonable battery life. > > (No offence taken, but discussion threads should remain on-list unless > you have some reason for privacy. If you have the latter, please begin > by explaining _why_ you've gone offlist into private discussion. Most > of us participate in these public forums to benefit the community. If > you want private help, it's called "consulting": You should offer to > pay hourly consulting rates, and not expect professional work from > strangers for free.) > > I'm not going to give a "buy this" endorsement, but I can help teach how > to select hardware (and how not to). My guiding star in this area is > what I call Moen's Law of Hardware: "Use what the programmers use." > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-hardware (Cited URL > elaborates on that point.) > > You are unlikely to _literally_ know what Alan Cox, Dave Jones, Jeff > Garzik, et alii are using today -- but you can learn enough about > hardware to learn what they probably _would_ consider junk to be > avoided (and why), and that is what one should do, generally speaking. > > For reasons cited at that essay, slightly _older_ gear (especially where > laptops are concerned) is likely to be less problematic than new gear. > I'd generally aim for a 1-2 year old model. (To be more clear about > that, buying a spanking-new laptop model means you're either a Linux > hardware expert, or a masochist, or feeling really lucky. Smart, lazy > people buy used.) > > You can also benefit from other people's write-ups, based on their > experience: > > http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > http://tuxmobil.org/ > > It's useful to bring a notepad, pen, and Knoppix disc with you, as you > look at laptops. Boot Knoppix, and jot down significant chipset > identities. What's a chipset? Let me illustrate using the server that > SF-LUG's mailing list runs on. (Only selected return values are shown > for commands below.) > > # dmesg | more > > CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 > > OK, it's a single-proc PIII. > > ..... CPU clock speed is 498.7724 MHz. > > Running at 500 Mhz. > > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT > SHARE_I > RQ SERIAL_PCI enabled > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > Two serial ports. > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > sym.0.13.0: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym.0.13.1: setting PCI_COMMAND_PARITY... > sym0: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 0 irq 10 > sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym0: SCSI BUS has been reset. > sym1: <875> rev 0x37 on pci bus 0 device 13 function 1 irq 5 > sym1: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset. > scsi0 : sym-2.1.17a > scsi1 : sym-2.1.17a > > Symbios model 875 SCSI chip (later revealed to have full model > designation 53c875). > > blk: queue cfe38174, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38274, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > Vendor: QUANTUM Model: QM39100TD-SW Rev: N491 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > blk: queue cfe38374, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) > sym0:3:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > sym0:4:0: tagged command queuing enabled, command queue depth 16. > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > sym0:3: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sda: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > Partition check: > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 > > sym0:4: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50.0 ns, offset 16) > SCSI device sdb: 17783250 512-byte hdwr sectors (9105 MB) > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > > > Two Quantum model QM39100TD-SW SCSI hard drives. And, oooh! They're > each a full 9 GB -- the very pinnacle of 1997 technology. > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x10c0, IRQ 5 > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > > Two UHCI-type USB ports. > > Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver - version 2.3.43-k1 > Copyright (c) 2004 Intel Corporation > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > e100: selftest OK. > e100: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection > Hardware receive checksums enabled > cpu cycle saver enabled > > A pair of Intel e100-compatible PRO/100 ethernet ports. > > # lspci | more > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX > Host bridge (AGP disabled) (rev 03) > 0000:00:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0d.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 > (rev 37) > 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 05) > 0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet > Pro 100] > (rev 08) > 0000:00:12.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev > 02) > 0000:00:12.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev > 01) > 0000:00:12.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB > (rev 01) > 0000:00:12.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02) > 0000:00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5480 (rev 23) > > This confirms what we knew before, and gives more detail: It's an > Intel 440BX motherboard (dating from 1998[1]). We also find out that > the integrated video is Cirrus Logic GD 5480. > > The 82371AB chip is what's termed a "southbridge" chip, the motherboard > chip serving most of[2] the I/O ports. The 82443BX "northbridge" chip is > where > the CPU and system RAM attach. (Together, they comprise the bulk of the > 440 BX motherboard design.[3]) > > If this had been, say, a laptop you were interested in buying, as > opposed to just an old server, you would now be armed with the > identities of the constituent chips, and could ask around (or read on > the sites mentioned) about likely problem areas. > > Also, Knoppix's hardware auto-probing is advanced enough that it can > tell you a tremendous amount just from seeing what it does and does not > support properly, upon bootup. > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_440BX > [2] In later Intel designs, _all_ of the I/O ports moved to the > southbridge. In 1998, the northbridge still connected to video, > network, and other very high-speed devices. > [3] http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/mobo-guide-1.ars/3 > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 3 22:18:03 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:18:03 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux CDs In-Reply-To: <96cfa9d8c18d704a8bbc7113068675cd@well.com> References: <9c9e75563ca6890bec597d90263d7977@well.com> <10c3e4e00703011238k346e3f6et349a50a8d677f624@mail.gmail.com> <20070302034630.GV13465@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703020949o56becfcckd95c8a2cd6c168f7@mail.gmail.com> <20070302225426.GR336@linuxmafia.com> <10c3e4e00703031136v64fb17e9hb21c51d20e88b6d6@mail.gmail.com> <20070303221048.GV336@linuxmafia.com> <96cfa9d8c18d704a8bbc7113068675cd@well.com> Message-ID: <20070304061803.GW336@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > http://www.shoprcubed.com/ > http://www.rcubedtech.com/ > This company, R Cubed, sells inexpensive > laptops. Ah, having a truly Linux-oriented vendor is worthwhile and another thing entirely. Some people really like laptops from LinuxCertified, Inc., too. I track that company and other Linux-oriented firms that are local to the Bay Area, here: http://linuxmafia.com/bale/other.html The ThinkPad T4x series was indeed pretty good. The T43 and T43p (ATI video variant) models were a little peculiar in using PATA hard drives equipped with Marvell SATA-to-PATA bridge chips -- instead of real SATA hard drives. Also, the ACPI programming interface was a _little_ peculiar, such that you really want a pretty recent 2.6.x kernel with the ibm-acpi patches merged in (2.6.19, or so). Therefore, for example, any RHEL3 release is a bad idea on those, and even RHEL4's 2.6.9 kernel isn't really satisfactory. FWIW, I believe that series is likely to be soon discontinued in favour of the T60 / T60p series -- which _really_ needs good ACPI, by the way. Anyway, one of the nice things about locally-available hardware is the ability to walk up and boot Knoppix from it _before_ buying. Nothing like knowing about compatibility from direct inspection, in my view. -- Cheers, Rick Moen "Anger makes dull men witty, but it keeps them poor." rick at linuxmafia.com -- Elizabeth Tudor From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 3 22:35:06 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:35:06 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: References: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> <20070302031929.GL336@linuxmafia.com> <826fabc33788af3f989e51c1afb73bef@well.com> <20070302183930.GP336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20070304063506.GX336@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > someone emailed me directly and offered a spare DVD; if that person > brings it sometime, we'll all have the opportunity to install some > hardware and then tear our hair out finding the right drivers and > applications. ATAPI ("IDE") CD and DVD drives all have no-brainer generic ATAPI driver support for read mode, in Linux. There's pretty much nothing to do. For write mode (on "burner" drives that also support writing data to media), the situation's almost that good: Pretty much everything is addressable using the standard MMC-3 disk-writing command set -- so you just use ye olde dvdrecord / cdrecord utilities, and they Just Work. As to the hardware itself, you just set the jumper and plug it in. Long as you have the usual Philips screwdriver, you're gold. > it'll be good practice using the DISPLAY environment variable, too. Um, why? Wouldn't you just do "ssh -Y user at hostname" and let ssh take care of all the DISPLAY and MIT magic cookie claptrap automatically (assuming you're determined to do remote X11, which which in my experience isn't really all that useful)? I might be missing your point: There are probably other reasons why one might need to reset the value of DISPLAY -- but usually the main reason is remote X11 imaging, which is much less painful if you just tunnel it through ssh. -- Cheers, Rick Moen Ita erat quando hic adveni. rick at linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 3 22:45:46 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:45:46 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <0aaf86e1a687e299602278a0fed41bb3@well.com> References: <45E87AAF.802@sfsu.edu> <0aaf86e1a687e299602278a0fed41bb3@well.com> Message-ID: <20070304064546.GB29875@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > fortunately i'll also have fedora core DVDs with me. Reminds me: Yesterday, I also burned the Fedora 7 Test 2 (aka v. 6.91 beta) DVDs that were released on March 1 (for i686 and x86_64). Might be of interest to the adventuresome. As to picking out a suitable distribution, IMVAO, it'd be best if people consider this matter _before_ coming to Javacat. It may be useful that the http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros list has hyperlinks from each distribution's name to some suitable Web page aobut it. Possibly relevant item on my personal "rants" pages that I recently updated yet again: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=kicking#486 Can I install Linux on my { 386sx | 386 | 486 | Pentium | K6 | PPro | m68k SPARC3 }? Every few years, I have to revise this item, to restore realism: This is the 2007 revision. The fact is, most computer hardware doesn't age well, especially motherboards and CPUs used for general-purpose computing. At this date, anything older than a Pentium II is too slow, too fragile from accumulated wear, too expensive / impractical to get parts for if/when parts die, and insufficiently expandable without unjustifiable expense better applied to something modern. One can still justify using machines as old as AMD K6 / Pentium Pro boxes for dedicated server roles, e.g., being just a CD-burner, just an SMTP mail server, just a DNS nameserver, just a file/print server, just a router/Internet gateway, just a dial-in terminal server. just a data-collection system, just a network monitor, just a firewall, just an X graphics terminal. As a Linux novice, you won't be setting these up right away, but may want to remember the possibility for later on. From jim at well.com Sun Mar 4 07:40:34 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:40:34 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Sunday meeting at the Javacat--11 AM to 1 PM In-Reply-To: <20070304063506.GX336@linuxmafia.com> References: <20070301170717.GR13465@linuxmafia.com> <064fff2802f3cd5c54f88bf6d10f7d03@well.com> <20070302031929.GL336@linuxmafia.com> <826fabc33788af3f989e51c1afb73bef@well.com> <20070302183930.GP336@linuxmafia.com> <20070304063506.GX336@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: you nailed it. thanks for the ssh -Y alternative. On Mar 3, 2007, at 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > >> someone emailed me directly and offered a spare DVD; if that person >> brings it sometime, we'll all have the opportunity to install some >> hardware and then tear our hair out finding the right drivers and >> applications. > > ATAPI ("IDE") CD and DVD drives all have no-brainer generic ATAPI > driver > support for read mode, in Linux. There's pretty much nothing to do. > > For write mode (on "burner" drives that also support writing data to > media), the situation's almost that good: Pretty much everything is > addressable using the standard MMC-3 disk-writing command set -- so you > just use ye olde dvdrecord / cdrecord utilities, and they Just Work. > > As to the hardware itself, you just set the jumper and plug it in. > Long > as you have the usual Philips screwdriver, you're gold. > >> it'll be good practice using the DISPLAY environment variable, too. > > Um, why? Wouldn't you just do "ssh -Y user at hostname" and let ssh take > care of all the DISPLAY and MIT magic cookie claptrap automatically > (assuming you're determined to do remote X11, which which in my > experience isn't really all that useful)? I might be missing your > point: There are probably other reasons why one might need to reset > the > value of DISPLAY -- but usually the main reason is remote X11 imaging, > which is much less painful if you just tunnel it through ssh. > > -- > Cheers, > Rick Moen Ita erat quando hic > adveni. > rick at linuxmafia.com > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Sun Mar 4 07:52:56 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:52:56 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Gumstix at BALUG in chinatown Message-ID: <09a8efaadb31ecd01852e0c8f185572d@well.com> Gordon Kruberg (CEO) and Craig Hughes (CTO) of Gumstix will be speaking at the March BALUG meeting (March 20, drinks at 6:30, dinner at 7:10, speakers around 8). Gumstix ( http://www.gumstix.com/ ) makes very small form factor computers with linux installed. Come to the Four Seas restaurant ( http://www.gumstix.com/ ) on Grant near Sacramento and check it out. Dinner is $10 each, all you can eat and tasty. Bay Area Linux Users' Group (BALUG) has regular meetings on the third Tuesday of each month at the Four Seas restaurant in San Francisco's Chinatown. jim From dudrenov at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 15:36:52 2007 From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:36:52 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Today's meeting Message-ID: <10c3e4e00703041536y45857aaag1aac6c20a53c2e04@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Just wanted to say it was a real pleasure meeting all of you today. All the best, Pavel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was 2 or 4 gigs. > > > > On that note I'm down to to share the cost and have the machine used > > to the benefit of sf-lug, so far as I can use it for a couple of > > personal project myself. > > > > All the best, > > Pavel > > > > On 3/3/07, jim stockford wrote: > >> following up on this-- > >> currently SF-LUG has a machine (one of jim's towers) > >> at the coloserve/servepath facility on Spear Street, at no > >> charge thanks to Paul Lancaster of ColoServe. > >> > >> myself, i'd like to be supportive of the SFCCP colo > >> project at 6th and Brannon. > >> in the early days of the group there was discussion of > >> a small group of us buying a colo spot for various > >> personal projects. > >> i'd be up for sharing the cost of a 2-U space, even > >> willing to buy a box to go in it (it'd be my box, but > >> you could do as you please). > >> anyone interested in a SF-LUG playpen? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:20 AM, Ian wrote: > >> > >> > (You may have already gotten this announcement on another LUG list. > >> > For the duplicate, I apologize. This is a one-time announcement to > >> > this list, intended solely to spread the word that we exist as a new > >> > colo resource for folks interested. I appreciate your patience and > >> > understanding) > >> > > >> > Hello SFLUG people, > >> > > >> > We are writing because SFLUG folks might be interested in a new > >> > non-commercial, community network with a colocation facility in > >> > downtown San Francisco. > >> > > >> > If you operate a server for an open source project, a non-profit > >> > organization or non-commercial personal use, you qualify to host > >> your > >> > server at the San Francisco Community Colocation Project's colo at > >> 6th > >> > & Brannan in downtown San Francisco. > >> > > >> > Your share of the collectively-purchased space & bandwidth starts > >> > around $45/1U/month. > >> > > >> > We have helped run a non-profit colo facility in the Bay Area for 5 > >> > years -- and now we are opening the doors to our newest colo in SF. > >> We > >> > are part of a network that includes other community colos in > >> Seattle, > >> > Chicago, Toronto and Washington DC. > >> > > >> > We are also committed to the protection of online free speech. In > >> > 2003, for example, we received a DMCA take-down order from Diebold > >> > regarding documents that had been posted to our servers that shed an > >> > embarrassing light on Diebold's eletronic voting machines. The > >> > Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) took up the case and Diebold > >> > backed down. A corporate colo probably would have forced the client > >> to > >> > comply with Diebold's lawyers. > >> > > >> > If any of this sounds good to you, please get in touch! > >> > > >> > 1) Email us -> inquire at sfccp.net > >> > 2) Call us -> (415) 887-7679 > >> > 3) Check out our website -> http://www.sfccp.net/ > >> > > >> > For more information on the Diebold case, see > >> > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/27/050218 > >> > > >> > Thanks for your time, > >> > > >> > Ian McLeod > >> > San Francisco Community Colocation Project > >> > www.sfccp.net > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > sf-lug mailing list > >> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sf-lug mailing list > >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Mar 4 17:05:42 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:05:42 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Today's meeting In-Reply-To: <10c3e4e00703041536y45857aaag1aac6c20a53c2e04@mail.gmail.com> References: <10c3e4e00703041536y45857aaag1aac6c20a53c2e04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070305010542.GD29875@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Pavel Dudrenov (dudrenov at gmail.com): > Just wanted to say it was a real pleasure meeting all of you today. Likewise. Just a note to the fellow who attempted to use my SimplyMEPIS 6.5 beta 5 CD, and couldn't get his laptop to boot from it: The problem is definitely not with my CD, which I've just verified is fine. I'm not sure what you (that fellow) tried, but most machines display in the early part of bootup (the pre-OS "power-on self-test" screens) information about a key you can press to bring up a "boot menu", to select a one-time boot device (e.g., your CD drive). Failing that, you can always enter the BIOS Setup and _set_ your CD drive as the first boot device (i.e., not just as a one-time selection). Also, to repeat, for everyone's benefit: It's really in your interest to read about sundry Linux distributions and decide what you'd like to sample _prior_ to showing up at an install event. The Web is your friend, in this department, but best used in advance when you have more time and fewer distractions. http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros links to a number of places to learn more -- and each linked Linux distro or BSD variant's name hyperlinks to somewhere for more information about that item. From bill at wards.net Mon Mar 5 10:02:42 2007 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:02:42 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Free: 1U cobalt boxes to good home Message-ID: <3d2fe1780703051002s27e4bd4wc273177af7df70ac@mail.gmail.com> I bought a pair of older cobalt 1U boxes some time back with the idea of colo'ing them at one of the coop places but have since abandoned that idea. Anyone want them? I don't know how or even if they work, or what is included - you might need to pick up a couple things at frys or something. -- Help bring back the San Jose Earthquakes - http://www.soccersiliconvalley.com/ From bill at wards.net Mon Mar 5 13:38:54 2007 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:38:54 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Free: 1U cobalt boxes to good home In-Reply-To: <3d2fe1780703051002s27e4bd4wc273177af7df70ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d2fe1780703051002s27e4bd4wc273177af7df70ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d2fe1780703051338v4bb87d21h85df40ebe9276a64@mail.gmail.com> These have been spoken for. On 3/5/07, Bill Ward wrote: > I bought a pair of older cobalt 1U boxes some time back with the idea > of colo'ing them at one of the coop places but have since abandoned > that idea. Anyone want them? I don't know how or even if they work, > or what is included - you might need to pick up a couple things at > frys or something. > > -- > Help bring back the San Jose Earthquakes - http://www.soccersiliconvalley.com/ > -- Help bring back the San Jose Earthquakes - http://www.soccersiliconvalley.com/ From jim at well.com Mon Mar 5 18:03:36 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:03:36 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Free: 1U cobalt boxes to good home In-Reply-To: <3d2fe1780703051002s27e4bd4wc273177af7df70ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d2fe1780703051002s27e4bd4wc273177af7df70ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69f990155f6a739687b7812aad80bf8a@well.com> yes, please, and i'm willing to drive to pick them up and share with other sf-lug-ers.... On Mar 5, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Bill Ward wrote: > I bought a pair of older cobalt 1U boxes some time back with the idea > of colo'ing them at one of the coop places but have since abandoned > that idea. Anyone want them? I don't know how or even if they work, > or what is included - you might need to pick up a couple things at > frys or something. > > -- > Help bring back the San Jose Earthquakes - > http://www.soccersiliconvalley.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Tue Mar 6 06:41:25 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 06:41:25 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops Message-ID: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem and interface PCMCIA cards. this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s that may at least be a source of parts. make a noise on the list of you're interested. From johnlowry at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 08:57:24 2007 From: johnlowry at gmail.com (John ) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:57:24 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> Message-ID: <528b20610703060857p17eae6fcv2b331368de524e57@mail.gmail.com> I am interested On 3/6/07, jim stockford wrote: > > > i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that > are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem > and interface PCMCIA cards. > this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s > that may at least be a source of parts. > > make a noise on the list of you're interested. > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -- John Lowry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nathank at evilmonkeys.com Tue Mar 6 09:28:02 2007 From: nathank at evilmonkeys.com (Nathan) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:28:02 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> Message-ID: <45EDA4A2.3070202@evilmonkeys.com> I'm also interested. jim stockford wrote: > i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that > are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem > and interface PCMCIA cards. > this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s > that may at least be a source of parts. > > make a noise on the list of you're interested. > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From wombat at zork.net Tue Mar 6 10:12:30 2007 From: wombat at zork.net (Willy Lee) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:12:30 +0000 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> (jim stockford's message of "Tue, 6 Mar 2007 06:41:25 -0800") References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> Message-ID: <7czm6qckc1.fsf@frotz.zork.net> jim stockford writes: I'm interested! > i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that > are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem > and interface PCMCIA cards. > this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s > that may at least be a source of parts. > > make a noise on the list of you're interested. > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -- >From Pillsbury Doughboy ad guidelines: Knees, elbows, wrists, fingers, ears, and ankles are not visible. From aldenm at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 12:53:37 2007 From: aldenm at gmail.com (Alden Meneses) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:53:37 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <7czm6qckc1.fsf@frotz.zork.net> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> <7czm6qckc1.fsf@frotz.zork.net> Message-ID: <221610dc0703061253p5a84c509x91fab235631b2a09@mail.gmail.com> I am also interested if there are any left. :) On 3/6/07, Willy Lee wrote: > > jim stockford writes: > > I'm interested! > > > i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that > > are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem > > and interface PCMCIA cards. > > this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s > > that may at least be a source of parts. > > > > make a noise on the list of you're interested. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -- > From Pillsbury Doughboy ad guidelines: > Knees, elbows, wrists, fingers, ears, and ankles are not visible. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomer at pacbell.net Tue Mar 6 14:10:01 2007 From: tomer at pacbell.net (Tomer) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:10:01 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] free laptops Message-ID: <063301c7603c$3036f200$660a0a0a@TOMERDEVXEON> interested ========================================== Message: 3 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 06:41:25 -0800 From: jim stockford Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops To: SFLUG Mailing List Message-ID: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab at well.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem and interface PCMCIA cards. this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s that may at least be a source of parts. make a noise on the list of you're interested. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbs at sonic.net Tue Mar 6 14:46:04 2007 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:46:04 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> Message-ID: <20070306224604.GB14779@sonic.net> On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 06:41:25AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: > > i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that > are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem > and interface PCMCIA cards. > this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s > that may at least be a source of parts. > > make a noise on the list of you're interested. My wife Melissa has been telling me I need a laptop for years now. ;) I assume they work, more-or-less? They free? Or what's the cost? Thx! -bill! From susan.greider at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 14:50:08 2007 From: susan.greider at gmail.com (Susan Greider) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:50:08 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <20070306224604.GB14779@sonic.net> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> <20070306224604.GB14779@sonic.net> Message-ID: <280416a30703061450g6806e158xf49af927d6e8ceaf@mail.gmail.com> I live in a veterans housing area and there are several of us on disabled on very limited income that would deeply appreciate an affordable/free laptop susan On 3/6/07, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 06:41:25AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: > > > > i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that > > are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem > > and interface PCMCIA cards. > > this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s > > that may at least be a source of parts. > > > > make a noise on the list of you're interested. > > My wife Melissa has been telling me I need a laptop for years now. ;) > > I assume they work, more-or-less? They free? Or what's the cost? > > Thx! > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -- Susan Greider -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aldenm at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 15:09:55 2007 From: aldenm at gmail.com (Alden Meneses) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:09:55 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <280416a30703061450g6806e158xf49af927d6e8ceaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> <20070306224604.GB14779@sonic.net> <280416a30703061450g6806e158xf49af927d6e8ceaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <221610dc0703061509u65977a5du2f5418adbe11b44a@mail.gmail.com> I just wanted to play with one but it seems there are others in this group that have a need greater than mine. I rescind my interest in a laptop in hopes someone with a greater need will receive one. On 3/6/07, Susan Greider wrote: > > I live in a veterans housing area and there are several of us on disabled > on very limited income that would deeply appreciate an affordable/free > laptop > > susan > > On 3/6/07, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 06:41:25AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: > > > > > > i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that > > > are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem > > > and interface PCMCIA cards. > > > this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s > > > that may at least be a source of parts. > > > > > > make a noise on the list of you're interested. > > > > My wife Melissa has been telling me I need a laptop for years now. ;) > > > > I assume they work, more-or-less? They free? Or what's the cost? > > > > Thx! > > > > -bill! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > > -- > Susan Greider > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondosxx at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 17:33:49 2007 From: rondosxx at yahoo.com (ron) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:33:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops Message-ID: <845867.74806.qm@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> I'll take the bin (full of laptops). Actually I'll take three (laptops). ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 17:50:29 2007 From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:50:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <221610dc0703061509u65977a5du2f5418adbe11b44a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7658.11748.qm@web82813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll give up my claim to one. I can buy one. But, free is nice. Alden Meneses wrote: I just wanted to play with one but it seems there are others in this group that have a need greater than mine. I rescind my interest in a laptop in hopes someone with a greater need will receive one. On 3/6/07, Susan Greider wrote: I live in a veterans housing area and there are several of us on disabled on very limited income that would deeply appreciate an affordable/free laptop susan On 3/6/07, Bill Kendrick wrote: On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 06:41:25AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: > > i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that > are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem > and interface PCMCIA cards. > this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s > that may at least be a source of parts. > > make a noise on the list of you're interested. My wife Melissa has been telling me I need a laptop for years now. ;) I assume they work, more-or-less? They free? Or what's the cost? Thx! -bill! _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -- Susan Greider _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Wed Mar 7 06:50:04 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:50:04 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <20070306224604.GB14779@sonic.net> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> <20070306224604.GB14779@sonic.net> Message-ID: <36a316b147db22ce0f7d0c1e65f934ae@well.com> i believe "the person" just wants to get rid of them. On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 06:41:25AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: >> >> i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that >> are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem >> and interface PCMCIA cards. >> this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s >> that may at least be a source of parts. >> >> make a noise on the list of you're interested. > > My wife Melissa has been telling me I need a laptop for years now. ;) > > I assume they work, more-or-less? They free? Or what's the cost? > > Thx! > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From bliss at california.com Wed Mar 7 06:35:42 2007 From: bliss at california.com (bobbie sellers) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:35:42 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi jim stockford, on 03/07/07, you wrote: > write to the list, bobbie. > can i forward this or will you? > that way the person can see your request Thought I was writing to the list when I replied. > On Mar 6, 2007, at 7:12 AM, bobbie sellers wrote: >> Hi jim stockford, on 03/06/07, you wrote: >> >> >>> i know someone who has a "bin of laptops" that >>> are mainly P3, 500MB RAM, 20GB drives, modem >>> and interface PCMCIA cards. >>> this person also has some old Dell 530 and 650s >>> that may at least be a source of parts. >> >>> make a noise on the list of you're interested. >> >> Tell us more Jim. Is the bountiful bin in SF or ? >> >> What degree of remuneration will the "someone" seek >> from people taking over the recycling responsibility? >> >> later >> bliss >> >> >> -- >> bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* >> bliss at california dot com >> >> "One World, One Web, One Program"- Microsoft Promotional Ad >> *"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"- Adolf Hitler* >> ** >> Regards -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* Formerly of AWest - San Francisco's Amiga Users Group Social Visionary And Twisted Mystic an exhausted former nurse in San Francisco clerical volunteer, COYOTE, Etc., & Cyprian Guild, San Francisco bliss at california dot com Foolish little minds are consistent among hobgoblins. From nbs at sonic.net Wed Mar 7 10:21:15 2007 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:21:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <36a316b147db22ce0f7d0c1e65f934ae@well.com> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> <20070306224604.GB14779@sonic.net> <36a316b147db22ce0f7d0c1e65f934ae@well.com> Message-ID: <20070307182115.GB26990@sonic.net> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:50:04AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: > > i believe "the person" just wants to get rid of them. Ok, after the more needy get their chance, if there are any working ones left, I'd love one. I need something to throw Kubuntu on for on-the-go. ;) -bill! From highvib at pcmagic.net Wed Mar 7 11:04:07 2007 From: highvib at pcmagic.net (Roland Campos) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:04:07 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] bin full of laptops Message-ID: <45EF0CA7.8070601@pcmagic.net> I'll take one laptop. Much appreciated. From jturner at nonzerosums.org Wed Mar 7 12:11:01 2007 From: jturner at nonzerosums.org (Jason Turner) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:11:01 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux and the new DST Message-ID: <1A0C1A16-B61F-48D6-8503-5D000E810993@nonzerosums.org> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6300294422.html Not a must read, but it casts a bit of light on how Linux systems keep time(and provides a method for confirming/updating your system config). Unfortunately, I've got a couple of older unsupported RHEL systems I'll have to manually update but they'll still be a lot easier than certain embedded system products. Bleh. -- jt From cheselka at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 12:50:46 2007 From: cheselka at gmail.com (Michael Cheselka) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:50:46 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <20070307182115.GB26990@sonic.net> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> <20070306224604.GB14779@sonic.net> <36a316b147db22ce0f7d0c1e65f934ae@well.com> <20070307182115.GB26990@sonic.net> Message-ID: <3c6fb8810703071250s5ceacb48r952d5d58660f3729@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I feel this way too. Let's see how many the vets need and then go from there. I suggest the club take possesion of the laptops and sort through them. I'd like to help on this since I want to get some experience wtih pxe booting. Anyone pxe boot debian and automate the install? Much Thanks! Mike On 3/7/07, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:50:04AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: > > > > i believe "the person" just wants to get rid of them. > > Ok, after the more needy get their chance, if there are any working ones > left, I'd love one. I need something to throw Kubuntu on for on-the-go. ;) > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -- When in the Potemkin Wired be a Potemkin Lain. From aldenm at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 13:02:03 2007 From: aldenm at gmail.com (Alden Meneses) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:02:03 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <3c6fb8810703071250s5ceacb48r952d5d58660f3729@mail.gmail.com> References: <25d5731152356ec4581c631f91f457ab@well.com> <20070306224604.GB14779@sonic.net> <36a316b147db22ce0f7d0c1e65f934ae@well.com> <20070307182115.GB26990@sonic.net> <3c6fb8810703071250s5ceacb48r952d5d58660f3729@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <221610dc0703071302j3085f0e2s116a679adc2b45cd@mail.gmail.com> Hey Great idea Mike. This way the people who want to play with Linux can still do that and the final product will go to those who will need it the most. I would like to volunteer for this process. On 3/7/07, Michael Cheselka wrote: > > Hello, > > I feel this way too. > > Let's see how many the vets need and then go from there. > I suggest the club take possesion of the laptops and sort through > them. I'd like to help on this since I want to get some experience > wtih pxe booting. Anyone pxe boot debian and automate the > install? > > Much Thanks! > Mike > > On 3/7/07, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:50:04AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: > > > > > > i believe "the person" just wants to get rid of them. > > > > Ok, after the more needy get their chance, if there are any working ones > > left, I'd love one. I need something to throw Kubuntu on for on-the-go. > ;) > > > > -bill! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > -- > When in the Potemkin Wired be a Potemkin Lain. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at sobell.com Wed Mar 7 13:11:57 2007 From: mark at sobell.com (Mark G Sobell) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:11:57 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Help, writing, RH -> Ubuntu Message-ID: <200703071311.57522.mark@sobell.com> Hi All -- I am looking for some help with converting my Red Hat book to Ubuntu. I am running into all sorts of strange (to me) beasts (resolvconf anyone?) that someone with Ubuntu/Debian server/admin experience would be able to wrestle down in minutes. It is taking me days to track down (frequently unsatisfactory) answers. For example, I am stuck on showing an example of using named as a caching-only nameserver. On the 'net people use other, lighter-weight products, but for the purpose of my book I want to show how to do it using named. I could go on. If you are interested, see my Web page for more details (www.sobell.com). If you know anyone who might be able to help, please forward this message to that person. Thanks, Mark Sobell -- Mark mark at sobell.com From vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 13:39:49 2007 From: vpolitewebsiteguy at yahoo.com (vincent polite) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <221610dc0703071302j3085f0e2s116a679adc2b45cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <736650.34710.qm@web82813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't know how much time I'll have. But, I'll volunteer on this. Alden Meneses wrote: Hey Great idea Mike. This way the people who want to play with Linux can still do that and the final product will go to those who will need it the most. I would like to volunteer for this process. On 3/7/07, Michael Cheselka wrote: Hello, I feel this way too. Let's see how many the vets need and then go from there. I suggest the club take possesion of the laptops and sort through them. I'd like to help on this since I want to get some experience wtih pxe booting. Anyone pxe boot debian and automate the install? Much Thanks! Mike On 3/7/07, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:50:04AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: > > > > i believe "the person" just wants to get rid of them. > > Ok, after the more needy get their chance, if there are any working ones > left, I'd love one. I need something to throw Kubuntu on for on-the-go. ;) > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -- When in the Potemkin Wired be a Potemkin Lain. _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Excerpt from Prof. Touretzky's decss-haiku.txt @ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/ From jim at well.com Thu Mar 8 06:27:40 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 06:27:40 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Great Principles of Computing with Distinguished Computer Scientist Peter J. Denning March 29, 2007 Message-ID: <1107db18703d99e514257d4775a1537f@well.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Computer History Museum" > Date: March 7, 2007 8:11:28 PM PST > To: jim at well.com > Subject: Great Principles of Computing with Distinguished Computer > Scientist Peter J. Denning March 29, 2007 > > COMPUTER HISTORY MUSEUM PRESENTS > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Principles_Computing_email_.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 66125 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- > ?Great Principles of Computing? > with Distinguished Computer Scientist and Educator > Peter J. Denning > > Computing is no longer a science of the artificial. It is a science > of natural information processes. The remarkable shift to this > realization occurred only in the last decade. > > Computing is mature enough to be described in terms of its fundamental > principles. The principles reveal computing's deep structure and how > it applies in many fields. They reveal common aspects of technology > and create opportunities for innovation. They open entirely new ways > to stimulate the excitement and curiosity of young people about the > world of computing. > > In the 1940s, computation was seen as a tool for solving > equations,cracking codes, analyzing data, and managing business > processes. By the 1980s, computation had advanced to become a new > method in science, joining the traditional theory and experiment. > During the 1990s, computation advanced even further as people in many > fields discovered they were dealing with > information processes buried in their deep structures -- for example, > quantum waves in physics, DNA in biology, brain patterns in cognitive > science, information flows in economic systems. Computation has > entered everyday life with new ways to solve problems, new forms of > art, music, motion pictures, and commerce, new approaches to learning, > and even new slang expressions. > > Peter Denning will share his work on the great principles of > computing. His taxonomy will help you understand computing and how it > works in your world. You will see what makes computing great and of > lasting value. > > In 1936, Alan Turing wrote that computation is unavoidable. He was > right. > > Where > ?? > Computer History Museum > Hahn Auditorium > 1401 N. 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You can get it from http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/3649130/com/tzdata-2006m-3.el4.noarch.rpm.html I don't know what's the equivalent for debian-based systems. without it your systems will not adjust for this Sunday's daylight savings change--they'll do last year's thing. Note the root prompt, and note the command assumes you've downloaded the file in the current directory. # rpm -Uvh ./tzdata-2006m-3.el4.noarch.rpm # rpm -qa | grep tzdata # do this if you want to verify tzdata is installed RHEL systems come with the rdate command in the /usr/bin/ directory. This'll update your system time if you use the syntax # rdate -s for example, # rdate -s time-a.nist.gov (note the root prompt.) (there are timeservers other than time-a.nist.gov) put this in a cron job to automate regular time synching-- note after crontab comes up you have to use the G command to jump to the bottom of the file then the i command to insert text. # crontab -e # brings up a vi editor ready to edit the system crontab file i * 1 * * * /usr/bin/rdate -s :wq (hit the escape key to put vi in command mode then type the colon ( : ) character followed by w and q to write and quit.) At 1 AM your system will update the system clock. There are two clocks, the system clock in RAM and a hardware clock that is maintained (on commodity Intel boxes) by BIOS in CMOS memory. Whenever you shutdown normally part of the shutdown process syncs the hardware clock to the system clock. Whenever you boot up, the boot process reads the hardware clock into the system clock. There is such a thing as "drift", meaning that the electronics and data do not do a perfect job of keeping time: over many hours the system and hardware clocks vary from exact time maintained by the atomic clocks for the world (accessible via time-a.nist.gov). Note that the system and hardware clocks drift independently. If you rip the power cord, there's no normal shutdown and no syncing the hardware clock to the system clock. The subsequent boot process reads whatever value of the hardware clock into the system clock. You can control syncing the hardware clock to the system clock with the command # /sbin/hwclock --systohc I think--my cron skills are weak--the following will work note after crontab comes up you have to use the G command to jump to the bottom of the file then the i command to insert text. # crontab -e G i 5 1 * * * /sbin/hwclock --systohc :wq (hit the escape key to put vi in command mode then type the colon ( : ) character followed by w and q to write and quit.) At five minutes after 1 AM your system will sync the hardware clock to the system clock. If the box does lose power, after it comes back up, it'll use hardware clock time that won't be very far off, and the system will be back on realtime after 1 AM. On 3/7/07, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Jason Turner (jturner at nonzerosums.org): > > > http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6300294422.html > > > > Not a must read, but it casts a bit of light on how Linux systems > > keep time(and provides a method for confirming/updating your system > > config). > > If you were a _Linux Gazette_ reader, you would have seen this on March > 1st: > > http://linuxgazette.net/136/lg_tips.html > > -- > Cheers, We write precisely We say exactly > Rick Moen Since such is our habit in How to do a thing or how > rick at linuxmafia.com Talking to machines; Every detail works. > Excerpt from Prof. Touretzky's decss-haiku.txt @ > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/ > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We can provide you with knowledgeable guest speakers, lunch, door prizes, software giveaways, or even something as simple as coffee. We would be more than happy to discuss any other requests you may have, including providing your group with a year long sponsorship. Acronis offers storage management solutions that are technically advanced for mission-critical applications but easy to use. We provide disaster recovery, backup and restore, partitioning, boot management, privacy, data migration, and other storage management products for enterprises, corporations and consumers of any qualification. We would be happy to discuss any of these topics and or products at the meetings. Acronis is a well-known corporate brand among IT managers worldwide whose products have won virtually every magazine and editors' choice award in the industry. Over 38,000 customers use Acronis products today. We look forward to hearing from you soon. Please don't hesitate to call me directly at 782-345-5588 or email me at kim.schuerhoff at acronis.com with any questions or concerns. We look forward to working with you and the San Francisco Linux User's Group. Thank you, Kimberly R. Schuerhoff Channel Marketing Manager This email was sent to: *jim.stockford at gmail.com* This email was sent by: Acronis 52 3rd Avenue Burlington, MA 01803 USA We respect your right to privacy - view our policy Manage Subscriptions| Update Profile| One-Click Unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.stockford at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 09:39:39 2007 From: jim.stockford at gmail.com (Jim Stockford) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:39:39 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: Would you linux group be interested? In-Reply-To: <71D28C8451BFD5119B2B00508BE26E640FDA5A3C@pasmail3.office.tmcs> References: <71D28C8451BFD5119B2B00508BE26E640FDA5A3C@pasmail3.office.tmcs> Message-ID: i don't check my gmail very often; sorry this is tardy, looks okay for anyone who'll consider moving to LA. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Todd Cranston-Cuebas Date: Feb 22, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: Would you linux group be interested? To: jim.stockford at gmail.com Dear Jim, I'll do my best to be straight up and honest with you and keep this as short as possible. Ticketmaster, in West Hollywood, CA really has a great team of talented admins and we're looking to add two more. You'll be hard pressed to find a team with as much experience and knowledge in high-volume web systems as you'll find at Ticketmaster but that should be a positive for you! It's a chance to be a part of something special where your own skills and interests can help to shape our team and enable us to provide the best service possible. I think you can imagine the type of infrastructure it takes to get pounded on like we do during our big ticket "on sales." That being said, I'd really appreciate it if you could make your user group membership aware of this opportunity. If someone is an admin with significant experience in linux and web hosting, they can feel free to drop me an email. If they'd like a job description I can send also, but honestly, think major web house, lots of linux and open source tools, etc. If you're a senior engineer over here though, you are expected to have the ability to do coding on some level. Basically, with as many systems as we have, we expect most things to be automated and any new people to the team would play a part in the future of these systems. In terms of the things your membership might be most interested in? Ticketmaster's offers are very competitive including a very complete benefits package (e.g., Medical, Dental, Vision, FSA, 401K plan, etc.). Yeah, I'm sure that we can pique a strong player's interest and make it worth their while if we talk ;) We have two open roles so there really isn't any competition. We'll happily relocate a best friend from back home if that's necessary so I'm asking people to big since it may be just the right time to work with one of your colleagues from the past! I hope that you don't mind this direct contact and will make this role known to your membership. Please ask your group to not be shy. They can call or drop me an email. BTW: I am a Ticketmaster employee and do not represent any outside agency. I have been with Ticketmaster for over 6 years so I know how this company ticks. Regards, Todd Todd Cranston-Cuebas Manager of Technical Recruiting 8800 W. Sunset Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90069 Phone: (310) 360-2436; Mobile: (310) 422-3347 tcc at ticketmaster.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jturner at nonzerosums.org Thu Mar 8 13:12:47 2007 From: jturner at nonzerosums.org (Jason Turner) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:12:47 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux and the new DST In-Reply-To: <20070308181539.GG25749@linuxmafia.com> References: <1A0C1A16-B61F-48D6-8503-5D000E810993@nonzerosums.org> <20070307223659.GP28151@linuxmafia.com> <20070308181539.GG25749@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <45F07C4F.5060907@nonzerosums.org> Rick, thanks for the new reading material at Linux Gazette. Jim -- hmmm, thanks for sharing your legwork. A follow-up questions that I'll share with the list... - Is this fine/safe to use with RHEL systems despite Centos being stamped all over the link you shared? On the topic of old unsupported RHEL systems(no standard package updating happening) -- I seem to dimly recall someone in the group telling me of a RHEL -> Centos/Whitebox conversion method that wasn't too painful. No, I haven't even searched for such a thing yet but I will after hearing anything back from y'all. -- jt Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Jim Stockford (jim.stockford at gmail.com): > > >> I don't know what's the equivalent for debian-based systems. >> > > Er, you just do standard package updating, as usual. If you've been > doing that, it should already be long ago taken care of. > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim.stockford at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 13:53:35 2007 From: jim.stockford at gmail.com (Jim Stockford) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:53:35 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux and the new DST In-Reply-To: <45F07C4F.5060907@nonzerosums.org> References: <1A0C1A16-B61F-48D6-8503-5D000E810993@nonzerosums.org> <20070307223659.GP28151@linuxmafia.com> <20070308181539.GG25749@linuxmafia.com> <45F07C4F.5060907@nonzerosums.org> Message-ID: what CentOS on which links? there's a pbone link and a reference to time-a.nist.gov but no CentOS. the tzdata file (which is updated beyond the 2006m package i referenced) is a data file (the noarch signifies you can use it on any architecture, i think S390 or powerpc or....). i think the fine/safe emphasis is Red Hat's way of protecting their support group and no harm done in this case. I don't know about Red Hat to [ CentOS | Whitebox ] converts. Hey, nobody's beat me up about 5 1 * * * /sbin/hwclock --systohw kicking off at 1:05 AM. On 3/8/07, Jason Turner wrote: > > Rick, thanks for the new reading material at Linux Gazette. > > Jim -- hmmm, thanks for sharing your legwork. A follow-up questions > that I'll share with the list... > - Is this fine/safe to use with RHEL systems despite Centos being > stamped all over the link you shared? > > On the topic of old unsupported RHEL systems(no standard package > updating happening) -- I seem to dimly recall someone in the group > telling me of a RHEL -> Centos/Whitebox conversion method that wasn't > too painful. 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From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Fri Mar 9 10:22:38 2007 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 9 Mar 2007 13:22:38 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Other Linux System Sites Message-ID: <19876717.1173464561076.JavaMail.cfservice@webserver5> Awhile back some people had posted some sites to reference where to find cheap laptops. They were system76.com and rcubed.com. I was wondering if anyone knows some other sites that offer preconfigured Linux systems for sale. I am looking for a powerful desktop. I liked the systems on system76.com but I want a different distro than ubuntu. I was not as much of a fan of the systems at rcubed (for superficial aesthetic reasons) I like my computer to not only run good but look good while doing it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Blake M. 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URL: From jim.stockford at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 11:29:22 2007 From: jim.stockford at gmail.com (Jim Stockford) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:29:22 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Other Linux System Sites--GAMER BOX Message-ID: I like ActNet on Judah at 27th. they build boxes to order and have a fair amount of resources for components. When I was comparing, their prices were very slightly higher than Dell's-- the fact of their excellent on-site repair department and no shipping delays (getting, returning...)..., well I can run on and on, I like 'em a lot. There are a few among us who know where to get gamer boxes, some pretty extreme. On 9 Mar 2007 13:22:38 -0500, Blake Haggerty wrote: > > Awhile back some people had posted some sites to reference where to find > cheap laptops. They were system76.com and rcubed.com. I was wondering if > anyone knows some other sites that offer preconfigured Linux systems for > sale. I am looking for a powerful desktop. I liked the systems on > system76.com but I want a different distro than ubuntu. I was not as much > of a fan of the systems at rcubed (for superficial aesthetic reasons) I like > my computer to not only run good but look good while doing it. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. > > Best Regards, > > Blake M. Haggerty > Technical Recruiter > Sapphire Technologies > Phone #415-788-8488 > Fax #415-788-2592 > > The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive > use of the person or entity to which it is addressed and may > contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not > the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from > reading, printing, duplicating, disseminating or otherwise > using or acting in reliance upon this information. If you have > received this information in error, please notify the sender at > Sapphire Technologies immediately, delete this information > from your computer and destroy all copies of the information. > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.stockford at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 12:24:20 2007 From: jim.stockford at gmail.com (Jim Stockford) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:24:20 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Help, writing, RH -> Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200703071311.57522.mark@sobell.com> References: <200703071311.57522.mark@sobell.com> Message-ID: would you consider bringing in people with some but not a lot of experience as testers? I can imagine that after writing up info you get from gurus you would sometimes be grateful that a relative newbie tried to follow your write ups and revealed omissions and bugs. I'd be willing to help out once i finish my current contract (and before i get into my next one). jim On 3/7/07, Mark G Sobell wrote: > > Hi All -- > > I am looking for some help with converting my Red Hat book to Ubuntu. I am > running into all sorts of strange (to me) beasts (resolvconf anyone?) that > someone with Ubuntu/Debian server/admin experience would be able to > wrestle > down in minutes. It is taking me days to track down (frequently > unsatisfactory) answers. For example, I am stuck on showing an example of > using named as a caching-only nameserver. On the 'net people use other, > lighter-weight products, but for the purpose of my book I want to show how > to > do it using named. I could go on. > > If you are interested, see my Web page for more details (www.sobell.com). > If > you know anyone who might be able to help, please forward this message to > that person. > > Thanks, > > Mark Sobell > -- > Mark > mark at sobell.com > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vze2jy85 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 9 12:45:24 2007 From: vze2jy85 at yahoo.com (Anthony Yeo) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:45:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sf-lug] Other Linux System Sites--GAMER BOX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070309204524.8876.qmail@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> What ever system you get, state of the art desktop now-a-days would be a Athlon 64 bit chip with dual cores, and I would get 2 GB of RAM to go with it. Also a hard disk drive of at least 120 GB to 160 GB. If you do not want to use Ubuntu, you could try Red hat, and they have a list of systems that are certified or at least compatible (https://hardware.redhat.com/hwcert/index.cgi). Tony --- Jim Stockford wrote: > I like ActNet on Judah at 27th. they build boxes > to order and > have a fair amount of resources for components. When > I was > comparing, their prices were very slightly higher > than Dell's-- > the fact of their excellent on-site repair > department and no > shipping delays (getting, returning...)..., well I > can run on and on, > I like 'em a lot. > > There are a few among us who know where to get > gamer > boxes, some pretty extreme. > > > > > On 9 Mar 2007 13:22:38 -0500, Blake Haggerty > > wrote: > > > > Awhile back some people had posted some sites to > reference where to find > > cheap laptops. They were system76.com and > rcubed.com. I was wondering if > > anyone knows some other sites that offer > preconfigured Linux systems for > > sale. I am looking for a powerful desktop. I liked > the systems on > > system76.com but I want a different distro than > ubuntu. I was not as much > > of a fan of the systems at rcubed (for superficial > aesthetic reasons) I like > > my computer to not only run good but look good > while doing it. Any help > > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Blake M. Haggerty > > Technical Recruiter > > Sapphire Technologies > > Phone #415-788-8488 > > Fax #415-788-2592 > > > > The information transmitted in this e-mail is for > the exclusive > > use of the person or entity to which it is > addressed and may > > contain privileged or confidential information. > If you are not > > the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are > prohibited from > > reading, printing, duplicating, disseminating or > otherwise > > using or acting in reliance upon this information. > If you have > > received this information in error, please notify > the sender at > > Sapphire Technologies immediately, delete this > information > > from your computer and destroy all copies of the > information. > > Thank you. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Fri Mar 9 13:05:56 2007 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 9 Mar 2007 16:05:56 -0500 Subject: [sf-lug] Other Linux System Sites--GAMER BOX Message-ID: <4444729.1173474358390.JavaMail.cfservice@webserver5> Yeah I have a good idea what kind of system I want, I just want it all put together and with the software installed and working because I just don't have anytime to do it myself these days.. Fedora Core OR Possibly Mandrake looking for 64 bit chip dual core 4 megs of ram 300gig HD Nvidia Grfx Card with 1gig of mem... (Would love a Blue Ray drive too.. but not necessary) Best Regards, Blake M. Haggerty Technical Recruiter Sapphire Technologies Phone #415-788-8488 Fax #415-788-2592 -----Original Message----- From:Anthony Yeo vze2jy85 at yahoo.com To: "Blake Haggerty" ; Cc: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" , "Jim Stockford" ; Sent: Mar 9, 2007 12:45:39 PM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Other Linux System Sites--GAMER BOX What ever system you get, state of the art desktop now-a-days would be a Athlon 64 bit chip with dual cores, and I would get 2 GB of RAM to go with it. Also a hard disk drive of at least 120 GB to 160 GB. If you do not want to use Ubuntu, you could try Red hat, and they have a list of systems that are certified or at least compatible (https://hardware.redhat.com/hwcert/index.cgi). Tony --- Jim Stockford wrote: > I like ActNet on Judah at 27th. they build boxes > to order and > have a fair amount of resources for components. When > I was > comparing, their prices were very slightly higher > than Dell's-- > the fact of their excellent on-site repair > department and no > shipping delays (getting, returning...)..., well I > can run on and on, > I like 'em a lot. > > There are a few among us who know where to get > gamer > boxes, some pretty extreme. > > > > > On 9 Mar 2007 13:22:38 -0500, Blake Haggerty > > wrote: > > > > Awhile back some people had posted some sites to > reference where to find > > cheap laptops. They were system76.com and > rcubed.com. I was wondering if > > anyone knows some other sites that offer > preconfigured Linux systems for > > sale. I am looking for a powerful desktop. I liked > the systems on > > system76.com but I want a different distro than > ubuntu. I was not as much > > of a fan of the systems at rcubed (for superficial > aesthetic reasons) I like > > my computer to not only run good but look good > while doing it. Any help > > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Blake M. 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URL: From bliss at california.com Fri Mar 9 14:29:24 2007 From: bliss at california.com (bobbie sellers) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:29:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] [TAML-WNT] New NVIDIA Linux Display Drivers Version 1.0-9755 Released (fwd) Message-ID: Good day to you, Since you are talking about building high end linux machines this might be of some interest. *** Begin of forwarded message *** Date: 03/09/07 8:36 PM From: Tony Cooke Subject: [TAML-WNT] New NVIDIA Linux Display Drivers Version 1.0-9755 Released --- Forwarded message follows --- "The latest Version, 1.0-9755, of NVIDIA graphic drivers for linux was released today, March 7, 2007. Highlights include: * Added support for Quadro FX 4600 and Quadro FX 5600 and * Added initial support for NVIDIA SLI with GeForce 8800, Quadro FX 4600, and Quadro FX 5600" http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html -- Tony Cooke http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/tonyandgillcooke/ Confucius say: I didn't say that! _______________________________________________ taml mailing list taml at lists.worldnewstrust.com http://lists.worldnewstrust.com/listinfo.cgi/taml-worldnewstrust.com *** End of forwarded message *** Thanks for your attention, later bliss -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* & SF-LUG bliss at california dot com When Po-chang was asked about seeking for the Buddha nature: "It's much like riding an ox in search of the ox" From jim at well.com Sun Mar 11 14:03:24 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:03:24 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a bin full of laptops In-Reply-To: <736650.34710.qm@web82813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <736650.34710.qm@web82813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fab90c053cc66ce6a7ed8728f690764@well.com> i've been doing a little proding and info-collecting. The mysterious guardian of the bin full of laptops has decided that, when the time comes, giving will be to vets first and then to impoverished. Identifying vets is easy, impoverished will have to be on the honor system. assuming this actually happens (which i think it will). the guardian's deal is that whoever (me by default, any of you are welcome to come along and hoist bins) gets the laptops also has to cart away all the old server-class boxes and parts, too. i'll let you all know as things progress. good for you, susan, for speaking out. i'm hoping to meet you, me and those who've volunteered to help out any vets who want help. jim On Mar 7, 2007, at 1:39 PM, vincent polite wrote: > I don't know how much time I'll have. But, I'll volunteer on this. > > Alden Meneses wrote:Hey Great idea Mike. >> ? >> This way the people who want to play with Linux can still do that and >> the final product will go to those who will need it the most. I would >> like to volunteer for this process. >> >> ? >> On 3/7/07, Michael Cheselka wrote: Hello, >>> >>> I feel this way too. >>> >>> Let's see how many the vets need and then go from there. >>> I suggest the club take possesion of the laptops and sort through >>> them.??I'd like to help on this since I want to get some experience >>> wtih pxe booting.??Anyone pxe boot debian and automate the >>> install? >>> >>> Much Thanks! >>> Mike >>> >>> On 3/7/07, Bill Kendrick wrote: >>> > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:50:04AM -0800, jim stockford wrote: >>> > > >>> > > i believe "the person" just wants to get rid of them. >>> > >>> > Ok, after the more needy get their chance, if there are any >>> working ones >>> > left, I'd love one.??I need something to throw Kubuntu on for >>> on-the-go. ;) >>> > >>> > -bill! >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > sf-lug mailing list >>> > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >>> > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> When in the Potemkin Wired be a Potemkin Lain. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sf-lug mailing list >>> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >>> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sf-lug mailing list >> sf-lug at linuxmafia.com >> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From jim at well.com Sun Mar 11 15:10:58 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:10:58 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: BayLISA Monitoring SIG, Weds March 14, 7PM Message-ID: In San Francisco -- anyone going? interested in a ride? > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > March '07 BayLISA Monitoring SIG: COSMOS > > Craig Thomas will present on COmmunity Systems Management Open Source > (COSMOS), the Eclipse initiative to standardize Systems Management > interfaces (http://www.eclipse.org/cosmos/). This is a chance to hear > about this project and figure out how it relates to our efforts to > document and promote best practices in Systems Management. We'll also > have freeform Q&A where you can take advantage of the assembled wisdom > to tackle your thorniest (or most basic) monitoring issues. > > What: BayLISA Monitoring SIG V: COSMOS - COmmunity Systems > Management Open Source > Who: Anyone interested in IT monitoring issues and tools: newbies > particularly welcome! > When: Wednesday, March 14 2007, 7PM > Where: GroundWork Open Source, 139 Townsend St., San Francisco > How: 139 Townsend St. is very near AT&T Park. It is two blocks > from the CalTrain Depot. Take the MUNI N trolley "inbound" to 2nd and > King (ballpark stop) or take the 15 or 30 buses (among others) > crosstown. Free evening street parking can usually be found. > Cost: Free!! > > Piping hot pizza, refreshingly cold pop, and tepid, room temperature > snacks will be provided by GroundWork. We'll open up the doors at > 6:30 or so and start the formal part of the meeting promptly at 7PM. > > RSVP (not necessary, but helpful): Peter Mui, > pmui at groundworkopensource.com, 415 992 4573 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > From alamozzz at yahoo.com Sun Mar 11 18:38:33 2007 From: alamozzz at yahoo.com (Adrien Lamothe) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-lug] Alienware soliciting people's views about Linux on Alienware laptops Message-ID: <20070312013833.97949.qmail@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Alienware has posted an online survey, on their web site's notebook computer section. The text for the link says "Share Your Thoughts on Linux-Based Systems! " , the page is at: http://www.alienware.com/product_pages/notebook_all_default.aspx The survey is at: http://www.alienware.com/Surveys/AlienSurvey.aspx?Id=29607129825 --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Tue Mar 13 13:29:08 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:29:08 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] a project for lx to focus on In-Reply-To: <377393.21142.qm@web82610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <377393.21142.qm@web82610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6d9ecfc328c28cf18c90437194182ffe@well.com> I can't remember exactly, but here are four: A Practical Guide to Red Hat Linux, third edition by Mark G. Sobell Prentice Hall (2007 copyright inside) ISBN 0-13-228027-2 Red Hat Linux Networking and System Administration, third edition by Terry Collings and Kurt Wall Wiley (2005 copyright inside) ISBN 0-7645-9949-6 Red Hat Linux Administration, A beginner's Guide by Michael Turner and Steve Shah Osborne (2003 copyright inside) ISBN 0-07-222631-5 Red Hat Certified Engineer Linux Study Guide, fourth edition by Michael Jang Osborne (2004 copyright inside) ISBN 0-07-225365-7 Don't be put off by older dates. As to the RHCT/E tests, they test the essentials, some of which have been around for over twenty years, most of which have been around for five or ten years. As to the skill set, the same, though less so, but: the latest, greatest skills needed are not so much at the OS level as at the application level, to include Storage Area Networks, specialized backup and recovery (e.g. netbackup), Cisco network device management.... All latest, greatest skills are built on the olde tyme religion. On Mar 12, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Lx Rudis wrote: > could you remind me the title and isbn for the redhat > text you were showing around a few months back? > > it was the one you were suggesting we all buy in order > to kick off the 'study group'. > > lx From sverma at sfsu.edu Thu Mar 15 13:52:38 2007 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:52:38 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] recommendations on file system Message-ID: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> I have a laptop from work which came with Windows XP. I have Ubuntu Edgy Edft on it in dual boot mode installed on a 10GB partition. On the Windows side, I have over 25GB of free space in NTFS sitting idle. I'd like to partition this part and use it from both XP and Ubuntu in a read+write mode. FAT32 is a candidate, but some of the VMWare images I have are larger than 4GB, which makes it a problem with FAT32. Does anyone have suggestions for a filesystem that's writeable from XP and Linux and supports large (4GB+) files so that I can use this partition from both OSes? cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From tom at greenleaftech.net Thu Mar 15 14:11:04 2007 From: tom at greenleaftech.net (Tom Haddon) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:11:04 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] recommendations on file system In-Reply-To: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> References: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <1173993064.9597.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 13:52 -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: > I have a laptop from work which came with Windows XP. I have Ubuntu Edgy > Edft on it in dual boot mode installed on a 10GB partition. On the > Windows side, I have over 25GB of free space in NTFS sitting idle. I'd > like to partition this part and use it from both XP and Ubuntu in a > read+write mode. FAT32 is a candidate, but some of the VMWare images I > have are larger than 4GB, which makes it a problem with FAT32. > > Does anyone have suggestions for a filesystem that's writeable from XP > and Linux and supports large (4GB+) files so that I can use this > partition from both OSes? As I understand it, there's newer versions of the NTFS driver for Linux that support writing to NTFS. Might be worth trying that - this explains a little more: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_NTFS_write_with_ntfs-3g Packages may be available for edgy, or if not most likely for feisty. Cheers, Tom > > cheers, > Sameer -- ---------------------------------- Tom Haddon mailto:tom at greenleaftech.net m +1.415.871.4180 www.greenleaftech.net From asheesh at asheesh.org Thu Mar 15 14:14:21 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sf-lug] recommendations on file system In-Reply-To: <1173993064.9597.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> <1173993064.9597.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Tom Haddon wrote: > On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 13:52 -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: >> Does anyone have suggestions for a filesystem that's writeable from XP >> and Linux and supports large (4GB+) files so that I can use this >> partition from both OSes? > > As I understand it, there's newer versions of the NTFS driver for Linux > that support writing to NTFS. Might be worth trying that - this explains > a little more: NTFS-3G is totally awesome. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G has the instructions for Ubuntu. -- Asheesh. -- You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people. From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Mar 15 15:40:29 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:40:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] recommendations on file system In-Reply-To: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> References: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <20070315224028.GR28151@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu): > Does anyone have suggestions for a filesystem that's writeable from XP > and Linux and supports large (4GB+) files so that I can use this > partition from both OSes? Ext2 IFS for Windows http://www.fs-driver.org/ Notable points: o 4 GB+ files are supported. Accessing one for the first time sets a flag bit so that ridiculously ancient sub-2.2 kernels know not to mount the filesystem read/write, thereafter. o Access rights are not maintained. o Dotfiles are given no special presentation within MS-Windows. o Access is denied to "special" files (which fortunately doesn't matter). o ext3 volumes are fully readable, but without journaling functions. o Licence appears to be gratis-usage proprietary "freeware" [sic], i.e., lawful for any usage or redistribution, but with no right to modify; driver source code is unavailable. Binary i386 binary software. -- Cheers, "I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate Rick Moen those who do. And, for the people who like country music, rick at linuxmafia.com denigrate means 'put down'." -- Bob Newhart From lmth at deakin.edu.au Fri Mar 16 17:21:26 2007 From: lmth at deakin.edu.au (lmth at deakin.edu.au) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:21:26 +1100 Subject: [sf-lug] A request for your input. Message-ID: <20070317112126.copan704is48o48s@mail.deakin.edu.au> Hello My name is Lara Thynne and I am a PhD candidate at Deakin University Australia. I am currently researching the boundary between work and leisure activities directly related to the open source community and open source program development. As part of this I am running a survey at the following address. https://dcarf.deakin.edu.au/surveys/oss/ The survey is completely confidential and looks at your views and motivations to use Open Source software and to participate in the community. It will only take a five to ten minutes to complete and your contact details will not be recorded. You can withdraw your participation at any stage. I sincerely apologize for the spammish nature of this e-mail - I don't mean to abuse this list. I am trying to collect responses from as many open source developers and users as possible and a mailing list like can be the only way to reach many developers. Thanks again Lara P.S The program that I am using is open source, of course (www.phpsurveyor.org)! From jim at well.com Fri Mar 16 17:28:17 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:28:17 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Monday night sf-lug meeting at the javacat Message-ID: <343a74c8474748612add8cf48af0da3d@well.com> come on down--in San Francisco, on Geary Blvd, at 20th Avenue--SF-LUG get-together from 6 PM till 8 PM (sometimes runs a little longer). maybe one of the neighbors will bring a toy. I'll definitely bring more of the Fedora Core 6 DVDs. jim From jim at well.com Sat Mar 17 08:28:27 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:28:27 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] A request for your input. In-Reply-To: <20070317112126.copan704is48o48s@mail.deakin.edu.au> References: <20070317112126.copan704is48o48s@mail.deakin.edu.au> Message-ID: Nice to learn about PHPsurveyor. the test pretty much assumes one is involved in some way with developing open source software (and, it seems, that one is unmarried and doesn't mind the occasional spelling lapse). it took about ten minutes. lots of radio button choices. On Mar 16, 2007, at 4:21 PM, lmth at deakin.edu.au wrote: > Hello > > My name is Lara Thynne and I am a PhD candidate at Deakin University > Australia. I am currently researching the boundary between work and > leisure activities directly related to the open source community and > open source program development. > > As part of this I am running a survey at the following address. > > https://dcarf.deakin.edu.au/surveys/oss/ > > The survey is completely confidential and looks at your views and > motivations to use Open Source software and to participate in the > community. > > It will only take a five to ten minutes to complete and your contact > details will not be recorded. You can withdraw your participation at > any stage. > > I sincerely apologize for the spammish nature of this e-mail - I > don't mean to abuse this list. I am trying to collect responses > from as many open source developers and users as possible and a > mailing list like can be the only way to reach many developers. > > Thanks again > > Lara > > P.S The program that I am using is open source, of course > (www.phpsurveyor.org)! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > From jim at well.com Sat Mar 17 11:23:50 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:23:50 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] anybody have opinions about RHEL 5? Message-ID: <48b6bfbcfedc9f937fc621f4939258ea@well.com> Any opinions are welcome. From jim at well.com Sat Mar 17 11:29:13 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:29:13 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] criteria for Linux User Groups Message-ID: <2fa898dc7444f4abfb5697d07b83aa63@well.com> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2 this one (long) page presents bullet points and mercifully brief discussion about LUGs, including types, activities, and use of the internet. how do you think we're doing? From bliss at california.com Sat Mar 17 12:53:06 2007 From: bliss at california.com (bobbie sellers) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:53:06 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] criteria for Linux User Groups In-Reply-To: <2fa898dc7444f4abfb5697d07b83aa63@well.com> Message-ID: Hi jim stockford, on 03/17/07, you wrote: > http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2 > this one (long) page presents bullet points and > mercifully brief discussion about LUGs, including > types, activities, and use of the internet. > how do you think we're doing? I think the group is doing ok. We have good speakers occasionally and you guys have helped me with installing GNU/Linux on my laptop. I have seen you help other folks and you do club computing with linux. You have good communication going both online and offline. By the way be glad you aren't stuck in the era of producing hardcopy newsletters for the membership. Major bummer and expense to produce and mail. Oh and I am still doing stuff on my Amiga because despite Linux handiness it is hard to import about 15 years of addresses to kmail. Juggling all the stuff I do online between Linux and Amiga is complicated but I am gradually getting more done on the Linux side there. Oh and I did get my bookmarks from the Amiga over to the Windows side but the same file is unreadable by the same progra (Mozilla/Firefox) on the Linux side. Such fun. Thanks for the hard work Jim and hope to see you all on Monday evening. later bliss -- bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG Formerly of AWest - San Francisco's Amiga Users Group bliss at california dot com "Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges." - Tacitus The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. From jim at well.com Sat Mar 17 13:16:17 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:16:17 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] linux/amiga In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4188f5ecbd01b7a7ceedd786196bc354@well.com> seems fluff-heavy, but may be interesting to amigites. http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/03/17/why-linux-is-the-new- amiga/ On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:53 AM, bobbie sellers wrote: > Hi jim stockford, on 03/17/07, you wrote: > > >> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2 > >> this one (long) page presents bullet points and >> mercifully brief discussion about LUGs, including >> types, activities, and use of the internet. >> how do you think we're doing? > > I think the group is doing ok. We have good speakers > occasionally and you guys have helped me with installing > GNU/Linux on my laptop. I have seen you help other folks > and you do club computing with linux. You have good communication > going both online and offline. > > By the way be glad you aren't stuck in the era of producing > hardcopy newsletters for the membership. Major bummer and > expense to produce and mail. > > Oh and I am still doing stuff on my Amiga because despite > Linux handiness it is hard to import about 15 years of addresses > to kmail. Juggling all the stuff I do online between Linux > and Amiga is complicated but I am gradually getting more done > on the Linux side there. Oh and I did get my bookmarks from > the Amiga over to the Windows side but the same file is > unreadable by the same progra (Mozilla/Firefox) on the Linux > side. > > Such fun. > > Thanks for the hard work Jim and hope to see you all on Monday > evening. > > later > bliss > > -- > bobbie sellers - (Back to Angband) Team *AMIGA* SF-LUG > Formerly of AWest - San Francisco's Amiga Users Group > bliss at california dot com > > "Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges." - Tacitus > The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. > > > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug From jim at well.com Sat Mar 17 18:27:59 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:27:59 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] Fwd: [balug-talk] GumStix at Balug this Tuesday Message-ID: > Gordon Kruberg, Gumstix CEO and founder, will > join Craig Hughes, the Gumstix CTO, to speak at > our March meeting. > > http://www.gumstix.com/ > > Join us on Tuesday evening, March 20, at the Four > Seas Restaurant in San Francisco's Chinatown, on > 731 Grant Avenue at Clay. > > http://www.fourseasr.com/ > > Some of us will probably be at the bar as early as > 6:30. Dinner starts at 7:10 sharp ($11.00 each). Talk > starts around 8:00 PM. > > The food's good. > > _______________________________________________ > balug-talk mailing list > balug-talk at lists.balug.org > http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org > From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 17 19:44:33 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:44:33 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] linux/amiga In-Reply-To: <4188f5ecbd01b7a7ceedd786196bc354@well.com> References: <4188f5ecbd01b7a7ceedd786196bc354@well.com> Message-ID: <20070318024433.GA3456@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > seems fluff-heavy, but may be interesting to amigites. Summary, to spare readers the time and annoyance value: Reporter is desparate for something publishable with deadline looming, decides to dig into the slush pile of reader comments, and has a go at the time-honoured "Let's laugh tolerantly at the latest software cult" story. If you do it right, you can re-use the standard template, filling in blanks using a few tailored references -- editorial madlibs. And then that trolls the targeted software group's less wary members into sending incensed letters to the editor, furnishing new material and page hits. Cycle repeats, like a wind-up toy -- less work than being a Herbalife dealer. Author James Cornelius and and the site "tech.blorg.com: PC and lifestyle technology" don't seem to do this sort of thing as bread-and-butter, the way ZDNet's professional trolling initiative "AnchorDesk" does, but the place _does_ seem a little low-rent and derivative. -- Cheers, "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a Rick Moen little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider rick at linuxmafia.com price only are this man's lawful prey." - J. Ruskin (attr.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 17 19:51:23 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:51:23 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] criteria for Linux User Groups In-Reply-To: <2fa898dc7444f4abfb5697d07b83aa63@well.com> References: <2fa898dc7444f4abfb5697d07b83aa63@well.com> Message-ID: <20070318025123.GB3456@linuxmafia.com> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2 Eh, _that_ guy? You shouldn't believe what that wanker says -- take my word for it. (See also: Epimenides and the unreliability of Cretans.) -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick at linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Mar 18 13:06:19 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:06:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] criteria for Linux User Groups In-Reply-To: <20070318025123.GB3456@linuxmafia.com> References: <2fa898dc7444f4abfb5697d07b83aa63@well.com> <20070318025123.GB3456@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20070318200618.GA8237@linuxmafia.com> I wrote: > Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com): > > > http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2 > > Eh, _that_ guy? You shouldn't believe what that wanker says -- take my > word for it. (See also: Epimenides and the unreliability of Cretans.) Just in case my sense of humour is too Scandihoovian-dry for people: "That guy" (who maintains/write the cited HOWTO) is the bloke I shave. (Epimenides, a rather dry-witted writer in Classical Era Crete, became famous for writing "The Cretans, always liars..." --i.e., "Trust me when I say I always lie" -- furnishing a famous logic paradox that lead to Bertrand Russell's ill-fated attempt to purge formal logic of problems, which then lead to Godel's Theorem, modern computing, and AI.) Anyhow, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > By the way be glad you aren't stuck in the era of producing > hardcopy newsletters for the membership. Major bummer and > expense to produce and mail. I was the long-time editor of the 36-page newsletter of the San Francisco PC User Group. 36 to 40 pages (depending), each and every month, for years. It was certainly a lot of work, but publshing a print newsletter laid out (at the time) in Ventura Publisher with a really attractive typeface -- and making everything be just right -- had its own strong satisfactions. From asheesh at asheesh.org Sun Mar 18 13:08:34 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sf-lug] criteria for Linux User Groups In-Reply-To: <20070318200618.GA8237@linuxmafia.com> References: <2fa898dc7444f4abfb5697d07b83aa63@well.com> <20070318025123.GB3456@linuxmafia.com> <20070318200618.GA8237@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Rick Moen wrote: > It was certainly a lot of work, but publshing a print newsletter laid > out (at the time) in Ventura Publisher with a really attractive typeface > -- and making everything be just right -- had its own strong satisfactions. Computer Modern, I presume? -- Asheesh. -- Q: Why does Washington have the most lawyers per capita and New Jersey the most toxic waste dumps? A: God gave New Jersey first choice. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Mar 19 01:43:21 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:43:21 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] criteria for Linux User Groups In-Reply-To: References: <2fa898dc7444f4abfb5697d07b83aa63@well.com> <20070318025123.GB3456@linuxmafia.com> <20070318200618.GA8237@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20070319084321.GY25749@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Asheesh Laroia (asheesh at asheesh.org): > Computer Modern, I presume? I believe our standard typeface was Adobe Minion. PostScript Type 1, of course. Ten-plus years on, the back issues still look stunning, if I may say so, myself. From bill at wards.net Tue Mar 20 01:04:03 2007 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:04:03 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] PenLUG this week - Mplayer with Kyle Rankin - Thursday Mar 22 Message-ID: <3d2fe1780703200104k309e4ad1i165f12e96ca137b@mail.gmail.com> Please join us on Thursday for another informative Peninsula Linux Users' Group (PenLUG) meeting! Date: Thursday, March 22nd, 2007 Time: meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM Location: Twin Pines Park, 1225 Ralston Ave, Belmont, CA 94002 See www.penlug.org for full details, directions, and more information RSVP: Not required, but if you send a note to rsvp at penlug.org it will help us estimate the attendance and ensure we order the right amount of FREE PIZZA (thanks to Open Country) This month's Speaker: Kyle Rankin, Mplayer In this talk, Kyle Rankin will discuss the swiss-army knife of media players, mplayer. Specifically Kyle will cover introductory mplayer usage, how to get those proprietary formats working, and follow up with some of his favorite mplayer options. Kyle Rankin is a system administrator for Quinstreet, Inc., the current president of the North Bay Linux Users Group, and the author of several O'Reilly books: Knoppix Hacks, Knoppix Pocket Reference, and Linux Multimedia Hacks, and co-author of Ubuntu Hacks. Kyle has been using Linux in one form or another since early 1998. In his free time he does pretty much the same thing he does at work--works with Linux. He has spoken at PenLUG twice before (Dec 2004 and Jan 2006), and is always a hit. From Ola.Peters at mscibarra.com Tue Mar 20 09:27:22 2007 From: Ola.Peters at mscibarra.com (Peters, Ola (MSCIBARRA)) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:27:22 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] UNIX admin help! Message-ID: Hi All, I have an up and coming interview for a job I am really interested in. I need a down and dirty UNIX refresher course. Is there anyone willing to spend a bit with me for this? Thanks in advance for any and all help, Ola -------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not intend to waive confidentiality or privilege. Use of this email is prohibited when received in error. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.stockford at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 11:28:18 2007 From: jim.stockford at gmail.com (Jim Stockford) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:28:18 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] UNIX admin help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why, sure, to the extent I can. Don't forget that you, Ola, have a user account on the sf-lug.com host. Any SF-LUG members can have shell accounts on the sf-lug.com box. You'll need a ssh client on your machine to access sf-lug.com Email me privately, Ola, if you forgot things. Log in and try out commands per the following: Take a look at the sf-lug web page; click the Red Hat certification study group sample pages. or click http://www.sf-lug.com/index1.html The vi editor is important, so click the How2vi.html link. or click http://www.sf-lug.com/How2vi.html Practice a bit! Using the bash shell is the modern default on most Unix systems or at least an alternative (sometimes POSIX compliance requires the real Bourne shell /bin/sh ). Click the bash shell tutorial link or click http://www.sf-lug.com/BASHshscrOutline.html Please, please complain about anything in the bash shell tutorial that is unclear or insufficient or otherwise unsatisfactory, please, please.... In my view the chief deficiency in the tutorial is that some important info is missing and the chief merit is that this includes most important info in a single place--I have yet to find another tutorial that brings together this number of essential concepts in a single, integrated spot. Pay particular attention to the commands in the /bin directory. Complain, please, please, and demand that I come up with a grouping of those commands--those that have to do with filesystems, those that are shell programs, those that have to do with networking, etc. What kind of Unix? The tutorial is pretty general, although with a Linux flavor. Solaris, HP-UX, AIX are all in play: generally a shop is one of the three with some hosts running Linux and with Windows looming outside on the users' desks. What kind of machine room and NOC environment? these days sysadms are expected to know how to use big-bucks programs such as NetBackup and one or more monitoring programs and how to use console servers and so on. There's the DB angle: they're everywhere, including in unexpected places (check your pants!). Oracle is a world of its own. There are little MySQL or PostgresSQL databases lurking under a variety of features.... There's the daemon angle: what's a server, which are used in your joint, where are their configuration files, how to start, stop, get status properly...? How are your LDAP skills? There's the policy angle, including allowed logins, use of sudo, host-application rules, external standards compliance.... On the SF-LUG.com RHCE/T study group page there's a Study Path section with pathetically few sub-pages, each with pathetically little further information. Please, please complain and demand that they are improved. and many, many thanks for asking. jim On 3/20/07, Peters, Ola (MSCIBARRA) wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have an up and coming interview for a job I am really interested in. I > need a down and dirty UNIX refresher course. Is there anyone willing to > spend a bit with me for this? > > Thanks in advance for any and all help, > > Ola > ------------------------------ > > NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender > does not intend to waive confidentiality or privilege. Use of this email is > prohibited when received in error. > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.stockford at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 11:35:20 2007 From: jim.stockford at gmail.com (Jim Stockford) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:35:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] UNIX admin help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: oops, i forgot SAN and NAS. It helps if you can spell SANsurfer or HBAnyware (these are names of GUI manager programs that are used to configure Host Bus Adapters, usually PCI expansion cards that allow communication via fibre cables to a fibre switch onto a "fabric"--fibre cables going to storage arrays). NAS is an ethernet, not fabric, equivalent. I also forgot to emphasize the networking angle. Start with the network commands in the /bin directory. Ask lots of questions, hopefully to the list. jim On 3/20/07, Jim Stockford wrote: > > > Why, sure, to the extent I can. > > Don't forget that you, Ola, have a user account on the sf-lug.com > host. Any SF-LUG members can have shell accounts on the sf-lug.com > box. You'll need a ssh client on your machine to access sf-lug.com > Email me privately, Ola, if you forgot things. Log in and try out > commands per the following: > > Take a look at the sf-lug web page; click the Red Hat certification > study group sample pages. or click http://www.sf-lug.com/index1.html > > The vi editor is important, so click the How2vi.html link. > or click http://www.sf-lug.com/How2vi.html Practice a bit! > > Using the bash shell is the modern default on most Unix systems > or at least an alternative (sometimes POSIX compliance requires > the real Bourne shell /bin/sh ). Click the bash shell tutorial link or > click http://www.sf-lug.com/BASHshscrOutline.html > Please, please complain about anything in the bash shell tutorial > that is unclear or insufficient or otherwise unsatisfactory, please, > please.... > In my view the chief deficiency in the tutorial is that some > important info is missing and the chief merit is that this includes > most important info in a single place--I have yet to find another tutorial > > that brings together this number of essential concepts in a single, > integrated spot. > Pay particular attention to the commands in the /bin directory. > Complain, please, please, and demand that I come up with a > grouping of those commands--those that have to do with filesystems, > those that are shell programs, those that have to do with networking, > etc. > > What kind of Unix? The tutorial is pretty general, although with > a Linux flavor. Solaris, HP-UX, AIX are all in play: generally a shop > is one of the three with some hosts running Linux and with Windows > looming outside on the users' desks. > > What kind of machine room and NOC environment? these days > sysadms are expected to know how to use big-bucks programs > such as NetBackup and one or more monitoring programs and > how to use console servers and so on. > There's the DB angle: they're everywhere, including in unexpected > places (check your pants!). Oracle is a world of its own. There are > little MySQL or PostgresSQL databases lurking under a variety of > features.... > There's the daemon angle: what's a server, which are used in > your joint, where are their configuration files, how to start, stop, > get status properly...? > How are your LDAP skills? > There's the policy angle, including allowed logins, use of sudo, > host-application rules, external standards compliance.... > > On the SF-LUG.com RHCE/T study group page there's a Study > Path section with pathetically few sub-pages, each with pathetically > little further information. Please, please complain and demand that > they are improved. > > and many, many thanks for asking. > jim > > > On 3/20/07, Peters, Ola (MSCIBARRA) wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I have an up and coming interview for a job I am really interested in. > > I need a down and dirty UNIX refresher course. Is there anyone willing to > > spend a bit with me for this? > > > > Thanks in advance for any and all help, > > > > Ola > > ------------------------------ > > > > NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender > > does not intend to waive confidentiality or privilege. Use of this email is > > prohibited when received in error. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sf-lug mailing list > > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Mar 20 11:48:36 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:48:36 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] UNIX admin help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070320184836.GD27020@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Peters, Ola (MSCIBARRA) (Ola.Peters at mscibarra.com): > I have an up and coming interview for a job I am really interested in. > I need a down and dirty UNIX refresher course. RUTE is your friend. Learn RUTE. Love RUTE. Live RUTE. Vitat RUTE, vivat Paul Sheer. http://rute.2038bug.com/ From jim.stockford at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 10:37:34 2007 From: jim.stockford at gmail.com (Jim Stockford) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:37:34 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] 501 and other anomolies Message-ID: I log into the sf-lug.com machine (you can too, if you ask for a shell account) and run ps aux and see that user 501 is running a bash shell. Well, 501--that's me! I use the command tail -20 /etc/passwd and see jstockford has UID 501 and GID 501. The way things are supposed to work is that "internally", the system uses numbers, but when it prints information to standard out, it converts the number to the user's login name. 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I've come across this before - I think it's when the username is too long for the ps column output it just uses the UID instead. Thanks, Tom > > Things aren't working that way. > > Why? > > jim > > _______________________________________________ > sf-lug mailing list > sf-lug at linuxmafia.com > http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -- ---------------------------------- Tom Haddon mailto:tom at greenleaftech.net m +1.415.871.4180 www.greenleaftech.net From asheesh at asheesh.org Fri Mar 23 11:27:13 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sf-lug] 501 and other anomolies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Jim Stockford wrote: > I log into the sf-lug.com machine (you can too, > if you ask for a shell account) and run ps aux > and see that user 501 is running a bash shell. > > Well, 501--that's me! I use the command > tail -20 /etc/passwd > and see jstockford has UID 501 and GID 501. Your username is too long for the column this program is using to display usernames, so instead of truncating it, it shows the UID by number. -- Asheesh. -- Cheer Up! Things are getting worse at a slower rate. From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Fri Mar 23 11:39:47 2007 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 23 Mar 2007 14:39:47 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] 501 and other anomolies Message-ID: <22501923.1174675189447.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> How many Characters can the user name allow?? Best Regards, Blake M. Haggerty Technical Recruiter Sapphire Technologies Phone #415-788-8488 Fax #415-788-2592 -----Original Message----- From:Asheesh Laroia asheesh at asheesh.org To: "Jim Stockford" ; Cc: "SF-LUG" ; Sent: Mar 23, 2007 11:29:12 AM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] 501 and other anomolies On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Jim Stockford wrote: > I log into the sf-lug.com machine (you can too, > if you ask for a shell account) and run ps aux > and see that user 501 is running a bash shell. > > Well, 501--that's me! I use the command > tail -20 /etc/passwd > and see jstockford has UID 501 and GID 501. Your username is too long for the column this program is using to display usernames, so instead of truncating it, it shows the UID by number. -- Asheesh. -- Cheer Up! 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URL: From Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com Fri Mar 23 11:39:47 2007 From: Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com (Blake Haggerty) Date: 23 Mar 2007 14:39:47 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] 501 and other anomolies Message-ID: <22501923.1174675189447.JavaMail.cfservice@webservera1> How many Characters can the user name allow?? Best Regards, Blake M. Haggerty Technical Recruiter Sapphire Technologies Phone #415-788-8488 Fax #415-788-2592 -----Original Message----- From:Asheesh Laroia asheesh at asheesh.org To: "Jim Stockford" ; Cc: "SF-LUG" ; Sent: Mar 23, 2007 11:29:12 AM Subject: Re: [sf-lug] 501 and other anomolies On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Jim Stockford wrote: > I log into the sf-lug.com machine (you can too, > if you ask for a shell account) and run ps aux > and see that user 501 is running a bash shell. > > Well, 501--that's me! I use the command > tail -20 /etc/passwd > and see jstockford has UID 501 and GID 501. 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URL: From jim.stockford at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 13:34:41 2007 From: jim.stockford at gmail.com (Jim Stockford) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:34:41 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] 501 and other anomolies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: on another, similar, system the ls -l command displays a nine-character user name. echo -n jstockford | wc shows 10 characters. So i'm guessing the max is nine. I'll confirm on the sf-lug.com box. On 3/23/07, Jim Stockford wrote: > > > I log into the sf-lug.com machine (you can too, > if you ask for a shell account) and run ps aux > and see that user 501 is running a bash shell. > > Well, 501--that's me! I use the command > tail -20 /etc/passwd > and see jstockford has UID 501 and GID 501. > > The way things are supposed to work is that > "internally", the system uses numbers, but > when it prints information to standard out, it > converts the number to the user's login name. > > Things aren't working that way. > > Why? > > jim > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.stockford at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 15:18:48 2007 From: jim.stockford at gmail.com (Jim Stockford) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:18:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] linux system calls Message-ID: a couple of times discussions have touched on assembler. the link below describes the process of making a system call via glibc with thanks to the eax register: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-system-calls/?ca=dgr-lnxw07LinuxSCI the above introduces a section explaining how we can add our own system calls. Assembler is not required, just that the explanation is pretty tight to the machine. The work is done in C code. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bliss at california.com Fri Mar 23 21:42:19 2007 From: bliss at california.com (bobbie sellers) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:42:19 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] Linux Pro at Borders Message-ID: I found Linux Pro at the Borders near Union Square this evening with a copy of the Knoppix 5.1.1 DVD enclosed. For people like me without a high bandwidth line to the net this is a real convenient way to upgrade. I think it will go fast as I seldom see Linux Pro magazine on the stands there. later bliss -- bobbie sellers - bliss at california dot com Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn. They teach you there's a boundary line to music. 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Fighting Spam With SpamAssassin, Pyzor, DCC, Razor & Rules Du Jour http://www.opensourcehowto.org/how-to/mysql/backups-with-bacula-mysql--apache.html - backups with Bacula, MySql & Apache http://www.opensourcehowto.org/how-to/apache/backuppc--apache.html - BackupPc & Apache - VPN + ssl - Tomcat, MySql, J2ee, Alfresco CMS - Amanda backup - Squid & SARG - Squid with delay pools - Jabber messenger server with web client - Squid with proxy_auth & OpenLDAP - Samba file server with ClamAV doing on-access file scanning -- OpenSourceHowTo.org [url]http://www.opensourcehowto.org/[/url] Wiki.OpenSourceHowTo.org [url]http://wiki.opensourcehowto.org/[/url] My ServerSetup Scripts [url]http://evilperson85.110mb.com[/url] Please Support OpenSourceHowTo.org [url]http://www.opensourcehowto.org/how-to/welcome/support-opensourcehowto.org.html[/url] From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Mar 24 07:20:45 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:20:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] OpenSourceHowTo.org In-Reply-To: <54625.124.187.80.146.1174743151.squirrel@www.opensourcehowto.org> References: <54625.124.187.80.146.1174743151.squirrel@www.opensourcehowto.org> Message-ID: <20070324142045.GD31418@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Paul Matthews (paul.matthews at opensourcehowto.org): > hi everyone, i've setup a website so that users of open source server side > software can come and look at instructional guides, how-to's, forums, > wiki's and all sorts of other information about setting up software on > Linux for both windows and Linux based networks. That's terrific, but how about helping out the Linux Documentation Project (http://www.tldp.org/), rather than duplicating their efforts independently? At bare minimum, it would be a good idea for you to contribute copies of your HOWTOs and guides to their collection, so those can be part of LDP's maintained and widely mirrored collection. Please see: http://www.tldp.org/authors/ Thanks! From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Sat Mar 24 15:45:58 2007 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:45:58 -0800 Subject: [sf-lug] 501 and other anomolies [getpwuid(3), etc.] Message-ID: <1174776358.4605aa2673171@webmail.rawbw.com> P.S. And, e.g. last(1) and who(1) will truncate display of the login name to 8 characters (at least they do on sf-lug.com. apparently running CentOS release 4.4 (Final)) - that could lead to rather abiguous output results for login names that matched in the first 8 characters, but were otherwise distinct. mpaoli at sf-lug ~ 303$ perl -e 'print(scalar(getpwuid(501)),"\n");' jstockford mpaoli at sf-lug ~ 304$ (sending to sf-lug at linuxmafia.com again ...) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:36:34 -0800 From: Michael Paoli To: Jim Stockford Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com Subject: Re: [sf-lug] 501 and other anomolies [getpwuid(3), etc.] The operating system typically uses getpwuid(3) to convert from UID to login name. If that fails (and/or perhaps if it's too long) the program will generally just use the UID (or possibly truncate the name). For backwards compatibility (at least back through UNIX 7th edition, circa 1979) login and group names should be composed as follows: first character a lowercase ASCII letter remaining characters lowercase ASCII letters and/or ASCII decimal digits minimum length of 3 characters, maximum of 8 Most current SUS (nee POSIX) specifications relax those requirements a bit, but if one's within the bounds of the most current specifications, but exceeding those older and long-standing limits, one may run into problems (/bugs) with software that hasn't been suitably updated (i.e. if you want to play it safe, stay within the older requirements, if you want to torture-test software and see what bugs it may have, push (or exceed) the limits of the most current specifications). Also, the operating system may state which version(s) of which specification(s) it is mostly or entirely compliant with (whether or not fully certified or tested against such). UNIX is trademarked, ... anything that officially certifies against sufficiently current SUS (or did so earlier) can be called UNIX. LINUX is (technically) "just" a kernel ... though operating systems running a LINUX kernel are typically termed "LINUX" operating systems. Note that some LINUX distributions also support non-LINUX kernels, e.g. there's not only Debian GNU/Linux, but also Debian GNU/Hurd. references/excerpts: http://www.unix.org/online.html http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/LSB Quoting Jim Stockford: > on another, similar, system the ls -l command > displays a nine-character user name. > > echo -n jstockford | wc > shows 10 characters. > So i'm guessing the max is nine. I'll confirm on > the sf-lug.com box. > > > > On 3/23/07, Jim Stockford wrote: > > > > > > I log into the sf-lug.com machine (you can too, > > if you ask for a shell account) and run ps aux > > and see that user 501 is running a bash shell. > > > > Well, 501--that's me! I use the command > > tail -20 /etc/passwd > > and see jstockford has UID 501 and GID 501. > > > > The way things are supposed to work is that > > "internally", the system uses numbers, but > > when it prints information to standard out, it > > converts the number to the user's login name. > > > > Things aren't working that way. > > > > Why? > > > > jim From sverma at sfsu.edu Tue Mar 27 11:47:24 2007 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:47:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] recommendations on file system In-Reply-To: <20070315224028.GR28151@linuxmafia.com> References: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> <20070315224028.GR28151@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <460966BC.9070902@sfsu.edu> Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu): > > >> Does anyone have suggestions for a filesystem that's writeable from XP >> and Linux and supports large (4GB+) files so that I can use this >> partition from both OSes? >> > > Ext2 IFS for Windows > http://www.fs-driver.org/ > > Notable points: > > o 4 GB+ files are supported. Accessing one for the first time sets a > flag bit so that ridiculously ancient sub-2.2 kernels know not to > mount the filesystem read/write, thereafter. > o Access rights are not maintained. > o Dotfiles are given no special presentation within MS-Windows. > o Access is denied to "special" files (which fortunately doesn't matter). > o ext3 volumes are fully readable, but without journaling functions. > o Licence appears to be gratis-usage proprietary "freeware" [sic], > i.e., lawful for any usage or redistribution, but with no right to > modify; driver source code is unavailable. Binary i386 binary > software. > > Sorry for replying on this bit late. I came across another Ext2 FileSystem driver for Windows: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ I've been using it for some time now. Seems to work well. Given the choice of NTFS and Ext2/3, I decided to go with Ext camp simply because we know how it works and its not going to be [potentially] held hostage by a third party. Cannot say the same for NTFS. As I usually use Linux (I don't boot into Windows unless I *really* have to) if I can read from and write to Ext2/3 partitions from both sides, I am quite happy. Thanks for all the pointers. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Mar 27 14:51:56 2007 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:51:56 -0700 Subject: [sf-lug] recommendations on file system In-Reply-To: <460966BC.9070902@sfsu.edu> References: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> <20070315224028.GR28151@linuxmafia.com> <460966BC.9070902@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <20070327215156.GD32312@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu): > I came across another Ext2 FileSystem driver for Windows: > http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ > I've been using it for some time now. Seems to work well. Given the > choice of NTFS and Ext2/3, I decided to go with Ext camp simply because > we know how it works and its not going to be [potentially] held hostage > by a third party. Cannot say the same for NTFS. Probably more likely over the long term to be maintained and debugged, compared to the Ext2 IFS for Windows implementation I cited earlier, because it's GNU GPL rather than proprietary. Good find. (Duly noted in my knowledgebase.) -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick at linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ From Ola.Peters at mscibarra.com Fri Mar 30 11:37:43 2007 From: Ola.Peters at mscibarra.com (Peters, Ola (MSCIBARRA)) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:37:43 -0400 Subject: [sf-lug] recommendations on file system In-Reply-To: <20070327215156.GD32312@linuxmafia.com> References: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> <20070315224028.GR28151@linuxmafia.com><460966BC.9070902@sfsu.edu> <20070327215156.GD32312@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: Has anyone heard from Jim lately? Thanks, Ola -----Original Message----- From: sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com [mailto:sf-lug-bounces at linuxmafia.com] On Behalf Of Rick Moen Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 2:52 PM To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com Subject: Re: [sf-lug] recommendations on file system Quoting Sameer Verma (sverma at sfsu.edu): > I came across another Ext2 FileSystem driver for Windows: > http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ > I've been using it for some time now. Seems to work well. Given the > choice of NTFS and Ext2/3, I decided to go with Ext camp simply > because we know how it works and its not going to be [potentially] > held hostage by a third party. Cannot say the same for NTFS. Probably more likely over the long term to be maintained and debugged, compared to the Ext2 IFS for Windows implementation I cited earlier, because it's GNU GPL rather than proprietary. Good find. (Duly noted in my knowledgebase.) -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick at linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ _______________________________________________ sf-lug mailing list sf-lug at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug -------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not intend to waive confidentiality or privilege. Use of this email is prohibited when received in error. From wombat at zork.net Fri Mar 30 12:22:39 2007 From: wombat at zork.net (Willy Lee) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:22:39 +0100 Subject: [sf-lug] recommendations on file system In-Reply-To: (Ola Peters's message of "Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:37:43 -0400") References: <45F9B216.8010104@sfsu.edu> <20070315224028.GR28151@linuxmafia.com> <460966BC.9070902@sfsu.edu> <20070327215156.GD32312@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <7cslbmwn7k.fsf@frotz.zork.net> "Peters, Ola \(MSCIBARRA\)" writes: > Has anyone heard from Jim lately? > > Thanks, I think he may be out of town for a few days. He mentioned something about it on another list. =wl -- "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." -Bjarne Stroustrup