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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Elise,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Good luck with the new career.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Paul</div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, June 30, 2022, 06:19:07 PM PDT, Michael Paoli <michael.paoli@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote:
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<div>I presume this was intended for the list:<br><br>----- Forwarded message from <a href="mailto:elise.scher01@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">elise.scher01@gmail.com</a> -----<br> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:34:42 -0700<br> From: "Elise Scher" <<a href="mailto:elise.scher01@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">elise.scher01@gmail.com</a>><br> Subject: Re: [conspire] (forw) issue encountered during installation<br> To: "Michael Paoli" <<a href="mailto:Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu</a>><br><br>I wish I could help.<br>My father was legally blind.<br>He could only see light and dark towards the end of his life.<br>That is why I have looked into getting my VI and O and M teaching<br>credentials. Visually Impaired. Orientation and Mobility. For now, I have<br>only earned my moderate to severe special education credential. And I am<br>teaching on it right now.<br>I would help if someone would help me to help.<br>I mean I could go to the person and help.<br>But I hope soon to learn a lot more.<br>After almost two years of applying and testing and interviewing, I have<br>finally been invited by my local 332 in San Jose of the IBEW to become an<br>apprentice Sound and Communications electrician. I went to the union hall<br>and filled out lots of paperwork two days ago. I asked Mike at the JATC to<br>not assign me to a job until after 7/21 when summer school ends. I don?t<br>want to break my promise to teach summer school.<br>When did Mike call me and tell me I was ?in?? About a week ago.<br>Will I be successful at this? I won?t know if I don?t try. I am 63 years<br>young. The elephant in the room. But I do have more than one ladder at home<br>I can climb up and down to practice!<br>I better get ready and go teach today.<br>Thank you all for being my tech friends.<br><br><br>Elise KI6PUO<br><br><br>On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 6:20 AM Michael Paoli <<br><a href="mailto:Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Let's see ... has been a while - alas, well over a decade - since<br>> I last assisted a user with a Linux installation for<br>> blind user. I ought practice more - at least once in a while,<br>> make sure it works, or at least mostly does so, and get myself<br>> at least a bit more familiar with the procedure.<br>><br>> Peeking at some Debian documents, e.g.:<br>> <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility</a><br>> It seems it should mostly "just work" - though there are at least<br>> some specific steps to be followed along the way - e.g. notably<br>> activating speech during install. Anyway, I'm also much more<br>> familiar with Debian than Ubuntu ... though I'd guestimate<br>> Ubuntu would be relatively similar ... ish? But don't think I've<br>> ever attempted that with Ubuntu, and I'd guestimate likely that<br>> support is better on Debian. Perhaps you'll make the next<br>> CABAL meeting. If so, perhaps let us know in advance.<br>> I might make it to the next CABAL meeting. And also of relevance,<br>> the conspire list, if you've not joined:<br>> <a href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br>><br>> Anyway, also, my guestimates where things might've gone sideways or<br>> failed with the earlier installation, etc. attempts - I comment<br>> in-line further below:<br>><br>> > From: "Rick Moen" <<a href="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>><br>> > Subject: [conspire] (forw) issue encountered during installation<br>> > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 23:44:08 -0700<br>><br>> > Sending so more folks look at this. I've just clarified to David<br>> > that the next<br>> > CABAL event will be July _9th_.<br>> ><br>> > ----- Forwarded message from David Chan <<a href="mailto:chandtw@pacbell.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">chandtw@pacbell.net</a>> -----<br>> ><br>> > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 21:42:43 -0700<br>> > From: David Chan <<a href="mailto:chandtw@pacbell.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">chandtw@pacbell.net</a>><br>> > To: <a href="mailto:installers@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">installers@linuxmafia.com</a><br>> > Subject: issue encountered during installation<br>> > Reply-To: <a href="mailto:chandtw@pacbell.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">chandtw@pacbell.net</a><br>> ><br>> > I am not sure if I can make it in person next Saturday, is there still<br>> > virtual meeting option available?<br>><br>> I believe virtual will also be available again - in more recent<br>> many months, generally in-person - with proof of vaccination - has been<br>> available, and also virtual - which started during the pandemic.<br>> Watch the conspire list for confirmation and URL - but I'm also<br>> guesmating the URL for virtual will likely be the same. And the<br>> archives are open to the public, so anyone can read postings,<br>> even if they're not a member of the list.<br>><br>> > Blind user that uses a screen review package called 'speakup' which is<br>> > usually in a kernel module but is sometimes done as a kernel patch<br>> ><br>> > Attempted installation on a Toshiba Satellite CT55 with a Samsung 500G<br>> SSD<br>> ><br>> > With ubuntu server 22.04LTS, OS install was successful, and I can see the<br>> > module was loaded:<br>><br>> As for Ubuntu, Ubuntu-Server would be a good choice for blind, as it<br>> forgoes the ewey GUI stuff, and, at least last I checked, the installer<br>> for Ubuntu-Server is essentially the Debian installer plus some modest<br>> Ubuntu customizations - probably most notably for many is different<br>> color scheme - but there are some other modest differences too.<br>><br>> > # modprobe speakup_soft<br>> ><br>> > The 'espeakup' package is then installed to make the computer talk:<br>> ><br>> > # Apt-get install espeakup<br>> ><br>> > However, there was no speech after the install of the package finished,<br>> and<br>> > I am unable to figure why it is not talking - maybe the firmware driver<br>> is<br>> > incorrect?<br>><br>> Not sure, but one thing I might guess as a possibility, and I've sometimes<br>> run across this with Debian installs, and have seen what looks to be<br>> same or similar from at least some fair number of user installs of,<br>> notably Debian, but Ubuntu may be quite similar in this particular<br>> regard.<br>><br>> Anyway, often on a fresh install, I find folks complain of no audio.<br>> And terse summary of my response is generally along the lines of:<br>> "Volume?"<br>> Most notably, as often I find/observe/hear that at least by default,<br>> though the audio typically installs fine, it often initially defaults<br>> on a fresh new install to having the volume levels start out set to<br>> zero. So sometimes it's a mere matter of turning up the volume in<br>> relevant configuration and/or controls. At least that's the most common<br>> issue I see with "no sound" on a fresh Debian installation - and may<br>> well be likewise for Ubuntu.<br>><br>> > Switched to Debian 11.3, choose 's' for speech at the selection prompt,<br>> the<br>> > talking installer starts, and the installation process was successful,<br>> the<br>> > CD drive spits out the disk, and hit return to reboot<br>><br>> Yes, Debian, a fine selection - and my favorite distro.<br>><br>> > However, after the reboot, the laptop was unable to detect the OS -<br>> > apparently the files needed to boot were somehow not installed [I<br>> switched<br>> > to tty2 and looked around before rebooting after installing again, and<br>> see<br>> > the boot folder was missing]<br>><br>> So, I'm guestimating some step was likely missed during install. Unlike<br>> some other distros - and even installers - with the Debian install - at<br>> least using the Debian installer - when it comes to at least the<br>> critical parts that overwrite stuff on drive, it defaults to not doing so.<br>> So, e.g. typically doing things such as writing the partition table out,<br>> writing the boot information to the drive, etc., will often default to<br>> no, or not pick the device automatically - but give option of devices,<br>> on where to write the boot information. So, if one misses one of those<br>> steps, one could easily end up with an install that isn't bootable.<br>><br>> However, if one's already done most all the install work, and might prefer<br>> not to repeat that, may also be relatively easy to fix. Doing a<br>> "rescue" mode boot from ISO, one can often fairly easily repair a<br>> situation like that - notably adding or even otherwise fixing missing or<br>> broken boot bits, without need to reinstall. And, at least from what<br>> I seem to gather glancing through some relevant Debian documentation,<br>> looks like Debian, at least now, also well supports running "rescue"<br>> mode from fairly common install ISOs, and well supports, e.g. speech,<br>> and other accessibility capabilities there too - quite similar to<br>> when doing install - just slightly different set of actions to instead<br>> go into rescue mode.<br>><br>> > Any suggestions & help appreciated, thank you very much for looking<br>><br>> Some additional resources one may wish to consider or utilize,<br>> Debian does also have excellent lists and support. Might even<br>> be able to search out an answer there or other useful information.<br>> Debian also has pretty darn good live interactive support on IRC,<br>> that can be a quite good resource - I usually find it very good for<br>> faster and/or interactive response/information, when the issue or<br>> matter isn't too horribly complex or rare, etc. Also, the Debian<br>> IRC stuff is publicly logged, so, e.g. if an answer or useful response<br>> comes later after one has dropped off, can often review the IRC logs<br>> to pick up that information later. Anyway, IRC there might be<br>> well suited to, e.g. help one go through rescue mode, examine and<br>> repair the current situation.<br>><br>> Anyway, yes, there is also CABAL coming in near future - let us know,<br>> preferably at least wee bit ahead of time, if you'll be coming - and<br>> in-person, or virtual, and what issues you may still be facing<br>> at that time ... or maybe you'll update to let us know all has been<br>> solved by then ... and it's a cool meeting/event to attend in<br>> any case ... and yummy food if one makes it in person.<br>><br>> Oh, might also be good to let us know, if you continue to have issues,<br>> if you're doing UEFI or MBR install, and if you know if the<br>> hardware supports just one, or both, and if both, which method you've<br>> used on installation. And thanks for providing the hardware<br>> information - that's important, and we may also be able to figure out<br>> that and/or other relevant information based upon knowing what the<br>> hardware is.<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> conspire mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br>> <a href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br>><br>--<br>KI6PUO<br><br><br>----- End forwarded message -----<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>conspire mailing list<br><a href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br><a href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br></div>
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