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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">When reading an earlier email in this thread, it took me a moment to remember the definition of "given name". </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">When asked to give my name, the entries are always for "first name" and "last name", never "given name". Maybe its different in the UK, where ancestry is more important.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">For a couple weeks l</span></span>ast summer, there was coverage about a certain women tennis player from China(?). I don't follow tennis, so I don't recall her name, but I do recall the international coverage (BBC for example) gave her family name first in the custom of her native country. The US news always had the order reversed.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So an anti-robot thing has to be sensitive to cultural differences. And it's probably harder to write software that has to process an image instead of words. </div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 01:45:03 PM PST, Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com> wrote:
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<div>Quoting Syeed Ali (<a shape="rect" href="mailto:syeedali@syeedali.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">syeedali@syeedali.com</a>):<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> I recall the first time I got a new batch of captcha images and I<br clear="none">> leaned back in my chair and wondered aloud..<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> "What the fuck is a palm tree?"<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It's sometimes surprising what turns out to be a culture-specific<br clear="none">referent. Sometimes, when I see the "traffic light" CAPTCHAs to which<br clear="none">Akkana alludes, I remember visiting Fanning (aka Tabuaeran) Island, an<br clear="none">atoll in the Republic of Kiribati, middle Pacific Ocean, where there<br clear="none">aren't anything like traffic controls of any kind, and the Caribbean<br clear="none">islands of Montserrat and Saba, where the roads include about two or<br clear="none">three stop signs each, but no traffic lights anywhere.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">When co-writing with Eric Raymond the essay "How to Ask Questions the<br clear="none">Smart Way", I tried to be mindful of this obstacle to <br clear="none">internationalism, and keep my diction as generic as possible -- but, in<br clear="none">essence, that my diction remains mid-20th C. colonial British mixed with<br clear="none">American, and so I was slightly embarrassed when Eric and I got a<br clear="none">puzzled inquiry from someone trying to translate our essay into some<br clear="none">non-European language. The translater asked our help understanding a<br clear="none">particular idiomatic expression, and it was one of mine -- one I hadn't<br clear="none">even realised was a metaphor. (Sorry, I can't remember it, at the<br clear="none">moment.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.travel-news-photos-stories.com/2013/03/fanning-island-kiribati-paradise-found.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.travel-news-photos-stories.com/2013/03/fanning-island-kiribati-paradise-found.html</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tabuaeran" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tabuaeran</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.visitmontserrat.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.visitmontserrat.com/</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Montserrat" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Montserrat</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Saba" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Saba</a><div class="ydp9952b807yqt7934531464" id="ydp9952b807yqtfd68154"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">conspire mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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