<div dir="auto">Oh, WHO tested the staff for antibodies? The articles I read said the Chinese government had just reported test results that WHO accepted. I told another friend that was so but if there is a more reliable source that says WHO did them, I would like to update them.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:24 PM Rick Moen <<a href="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Quoting Les Faby:<br>
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> It may have been a natural occurring coronavirus sent to Wuhan for research.<br>
> Perhaps It then escaped.<br>
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Possible -- but this seems unlikely because cases turned up (somewhere)<br>
in the countryside in Hubei Province, as early as November 2019. Dr.<br>
James Duehr covers this as point "4.4) The best evidence we have points<br>
to SARS-CoV-2 originating outside Wuhan" on page 18 of his FAQ.<br>
<br>
That's not near WIV, and (it's said to have been) outside the city of<br>
Wuhan. It was, by the way, recorded on Nov. 17, 2019.<br>
<a href="https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back</a><br>
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> Probably better to research this in an isolated lab, not in a crowded area.<br>
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First, it's not _in_ the urban area. Here's a picture:<br>
<a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/report-says-cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/report-says-cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716</a><br>
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<br>
About BSL-4 (biosafety level 4) labs generally:<br>
<br>
Wuhan Institute of Virology has had a BSL-4 virology lab -- albeit only<br>
since 2016. WIV technically was founded in 1956.<br>
<br>
There are a grand total of 46 BSL-4 facilities in the entire world<br>
(according to one online list I found, so there may be and almost<br>
certainly are omissions). I'm not sure all of these study viruses, but<br>
probably many do:<br>
<br>
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1. Virology Laboratory of the Queensland Department of Health,<br>
Coopers Plains, Queensland, Aus.<br>
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2. University of Queensland - Sir Albert Sakzewski Virus Research<br>
Centre, Herston, Queensland, Aus.<br>
<br>
3. Australian Animal Health Laboratory, Geelong, Victoria, Aus.<br>
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4. National High Security Laboratory, North Melbourne, Victoria, Aus.<br>
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5. Republican Research and Practical Center for Epidemiology and<br>
Microbiology, Minsk, Belarus.<br>
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6. National Microbiology Laboratory, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada<br>
<br>
7. Wuhan Institute of Virology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences,<br>
Wuhan, Hubei Province, China.<br>
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8. Biological Defense Center, Těchonín, Pardubice, Czech Republic,<br>
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9. Laboratoire P4 Jean Mérieux, Lyon, Rhône-Alpes, France.<br>
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10. Centre International de Recherches Médicales de Franceville, Gabon.<br>
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11. Robert Koch Institute, Berlin, Germany.<br>
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12. Bernhard Nocht Institute for Tropical Medicine, Hamburg, Germany.<br>
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13. Friedrich Loeffler Institute on the Isle of Riems, Germany. <br>
(Specialises in virology.)<br>
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14. Philipps University of Marburg, Marburg, Germany.<br>
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15. High Security Animal Disease Laboratory, Bhopal, India.<br>
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16. Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology, Hyderabad, India.<br>
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17. All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi, India.<br>
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18. Azienda Ospedaliera Ospedale Luigi Sacco, Milan, Lombardy, Italy.<br>
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19. Istituto Nazionale Malattie Infettive, Rome, Italy.<br>
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20. Netherlands National Institute for Public Health and the Environment<br>
(RIVM), Bilthoven, Netherlands.<br>
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21. Cantacuzino Microbiological Research Institute, Bucharest, Romania.<br>
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22. "Dr. Carol Davila" Central Military Hospital, Bucharest, Romania.<br>
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23. State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology, Koltsovo,<br>
Novosibirsk Oblast, Russia.<br>
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24. National Institute for Communicable Diseases, Johannesburg, SA.<br>
<br>
25. Swedish Institute for Communicable Disease Control, Solna, Sweden.<br>
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26. Institute of Virology and Immunoprophylaxis, Mittelhäusern,<br>
Switzerland.<br>
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27. High Containment Laboratory DDPS, Spiez, Switzerland.<br>
<br>
28. Kwen-yang Laboratory Center of Disease Control, Taiwan.<br>
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29. Preventive Medical Institute of ROC Ministry of National Defense,<br>
Taiwan.<br>
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30. Health Protection Agency's Centre for Infections, Colindale, UK<br>
<br>
31. National Institute for Medical Research, London, UK.<br>
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32. Institute for Animal Health, Pirbright, UK.<br>
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33. Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, Porton Down, UK.<br>
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34. Health Protection Agency, Porton Down, UK.<br>
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35. CDC, Atlanta, GA, USA.<br>
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36. Georgia State University, Atlanta, GA, USA.<br>
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37. National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility, Manhattan, KS, USA.<br>
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38. Integrated Research Facility, Fort Detrick, MD, USA.<br>
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39. National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center, Fort<br>
Detrick, MD, USA.<br>
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40. USAMRIID, Fort Detrick, MD, USA.<br>
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41. National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratory, Boston, MA, USA.<br>
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42. NIAID Rocky Mountain Laboratories, Hamilton, MT, USA.<br>
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43. Galveston National Laboratory, National Biocontainment Facility,<br>
Galveston, TX, USA.<br>
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44. Shope Laboratory, Galveston, TX, USA.<br>
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45. Texas Biomedical Research Institute, San Antonio, TX, USA.<br>
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46. Division of Consolidated Laboratory Services, Richmond, VA, USA.<br>
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So, I can't say I've looked at landscape pictures of all 46, but I've<br>
looked at a few, and in general they're pretty isolated physically from<br>
surrounding urban areas. Like, see the pictures of CDC HQ in Atlanta,<br>
with all of that lawn space around it. It's not exactly in the middle<br>
of Peachtree Plaza.<br>
<br>
Anyway, if you want to have top virologists working at a lab, you<br>
probably cannot have it 50 miles from civilisation, mostly.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dr. Duehr says, if we're going to be worrying about BSL-4 labs, we<br>
should worry about the ones that have been going underfunded and<br>
unsupplied in the former Soviet Union -- like one in Kazahkstan he says<br>
the US government occasionally funds so it doesn't turn to developing<br>
bioweapons just to keep the lights on -- and new ones being constructed<br>
in South American and Africa. At least, the WIV facility is thoroughly<br>
known and respected, including by Western scientists, and is co-managed<br>
by China and France.<br>
<br>
> Have researchers go through 2 week isolation before leaving. It is strange<br>
> the government won't let the WHO see their lab records.<br>
<br>
That is correct. They have not been willing to share yet with outsiders<br>
WIV's raw data, safety logs, and lab records. Also, quoting a _WSJ_<br>
story: <br>
<br>
"Members of the WHO-led team said Chinese counterparts had identified 92<br>
potential Covid-19 cases among some 76,000 people who fell sick between<br>
October and early December 2019, but turned down requests to share raw<br>
data on the larger group. That data would help the WHO-led team<br>
understand why China sought to only test those 92 people for antibodies.<br>
<br>
Team members also said they asked for access to a Wuhan blood bank to<br>
test samples from before December 2019 for antibodies. Chinese<br>
authorities declined at first, citing privacy concerns, then agreed, but<br>
have yet to provide that access, team members say."<br>
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<br>
> 3 researchers were hospitalized with symptoms matching COVID right<br>
> before the outbreak. They were initially trying to hide the outbreak,<br>
> arresting a doctor reporting it.<br>
<br>
What you're talking about: The US intelligence community issued a<br>
secret (and still unreleased) report some while back, that was then<br>
referred to yesterday in a just-released Jan. 15, 2021 [1] State<br>
Department fact sheet, that three WIV researchers were ill enough in<br>
November 2019 to be sent for hospital care. That is provocative, but<br>
notably included _no_ information on what they were ill from.<br>
<br>
It's certainly provocative enough to warrant further scrutiny. I note,<br>
however, that WHO researchers, on their prior visit earlier this year to<br>
WIV, tested all the staff there for COVID-19 antibodies and they tested<br>
negative. The PRC could not have simply swappped out a bunch of<br>
infected staff, or the world's virologist community would have noticed,<br>
because, y'know, people in this field know each other across national<br>
boundaries.<br>
<br>
Also, three staffers in the Northern Hemisphere getting ill in November<br>
could have just been the flu. Or something else entirely.<br>
<br>
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[1] I note without comment that this was, thus, the prior Presidential<br>
administration's State Department speaking.<br>
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