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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">To clarify, what I need to do is move individual files or whole trees between different computers. The first usage was to backup files from machine A to machine B. Then after doing an install on A, copy all of the files from B back to A. Both machine have Filezilla, but it took some fussing around to get things working. "A", with the new install needed an ftp daemon so I could initiate the transfer on B. Running Filezilla on A wouldn't connect, until (much later) I remembered that B had a firewall.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Moving files within a particular system, I would either use mv or cp or whatever GUI file program was installed. I've usually be OK with the default that comes with the installation. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So, I will re-phrase my earlier question. What are suggested tools to move files and/or whole trees between computers? I like the Filezilla GUI. Not all of my computers run Linux</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div>
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On Monday, November 16, 2020, 01:28:19 PM PST, Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com> wrote:
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<div>Quoting Paul Zander (<a shape="rect" href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">paulz@ieee.org</a>):<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> I like FileZilla. It comes in both Linux and M$ versions. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I loaded the package. Didn't work. I did a little web searching<br clear="none">> which agreed with my notes from previous installs. <br clear="none">><br clear="none">> apt-get install vsftpd<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Since Filezilla requires the ftp daemon, why isn't it included in the <br clear="none">> dependencies? Anyone want to suggest a different GUI ftp that works<br clear="none">> on multiple platforms?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The first three times I read your question, Paul, I was utterly puzzled:<br clear="none">"Why in Gehenna is Paul installing an ftp daemon?"<br clear="none"><br clear="none">After that third parsing effort, and consequent befuddlement, I suddenly<br clear="none">noticed something important: You hadn't actually articulated what<br clear="none">specific problem you were trying to solve.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Here's my guess: As an admirer of the FileZilla graphical interface<br clear="none">generally, you are attempting to find a way to use it to move file trees<br clear="none">_within_ your system.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Although that is definitely not FileZilla's targeted use mode -- thus my<br clear="none">and (I believe) other's befuddlement at how you framed the issue as<br clear="none">solving ftp access on your own system -- but the good news is that I can<br clear="none">suggest a good solution.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">For the record, the overwhelming use case for FileZIlla is to transfer<br clear="none">files and trees between your graphical-interface machine (Linux, OSX,<br clear="none">MS-Windows) and _remote servers_. Towards that end, it can be a client<br clear="none">for the antique and unfashionable ftp protocol, for FTP over SSL<br clear="none">protocol (aka 'ftps'), and for sftp protocol. That is so implicitly<br clear="none">understood to be what it's _for_ that it took me a few minutes to<br clear="none">realise you (probably) are seeking to use it _internally_ within your<br clear="none">LInux machine to move files or file trees around.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Also for the record, the _normal_ class of tool for doing the latter is<br clear="none">a "file manager".<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If my guess is wrong, then I'm _really_ confused, and feel welcome to<br clear="none">elucidate. Assuming I'm correct:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The easy way to solve your problem is to install & enable an ssh daemon<br clear="none">(server program) on the workstation (Linux or MS-Windows) where you wish<br clear="none">to employ FileZilla. You should logically want to have the ftp daemon <br clear="none">bound to localhost (the loopback network interface) only, so that it<br clear="none">accepts only local connections. A sbort general explanation of 'sftp'<br clear="none">is that it's a convenient way of giving ftp-like remote access to file<br clear="none">trees over ssh transport.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Since FileZilla has been around for a long time, the docs for it<br clear="none">primarily stress its use as an ftp client, like it's still 1992. <br clear="none">According to the docs, it attempts an ftp connection by default, and <br clear="none">you have to use URI prefix "sftp://" or "ftps://" for the other two <br clear="none">connection protocols. See:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.filezilla-project.org/FileZilla_Client_Tutorial_" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://wiki.filezilla-project.org/FileZilla_Client_Tutorial_</a>(en) , <br clear="none">under 'Connecting to a server'.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So, connecting to "sftp://localhost" will let you do ssh login (with<br clear="none">whatever username you specify in the Username field. As is customary<br clear="none">for ssh connections, you will initially see in the files-display window,<br clear="none">after login, the specified username's homedir, like /home/paulz if you <br clear="none">logged in as username paulz.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Instead of the name 'localhost', you could use whatever other names, in<br clear="none">addition to "localhost", are on the 127.0.0.1 (loopback address) line in<br clear="none">the machine's /etc/hosts file. Not being a network guy, very likely you<br clear="none">never even look at that file, let your DHCP client software overwrite it<br clear="none">regularly, and disregard it. That's fine; you don't need to start<br clear="none">paying attention to it. I'm just pointing it out to you.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Anyway, I hope that will get you started.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Also, you _might_ want to look into file managers for X11 -- but of<br clear="none">course it'll be relatively rare to find ones that also exist and work<br clear="none">identically on MS-Windows. Maybe those are now common, though. I<br clear="none">wouldn't know.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Bestiaries here:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/File_managers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/File_managers</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/File_manager_functionality" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/File_manager_functionality</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Duncan MacKinnon, I believe, is still a diehard user of 'mc' aka<br clear="none">Midnight Commander, an open source clone of Norton Commander. It <br clear="none">has a text user interface.<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Like most longtime *ix users, I don't personally go for file managers.<br clear="none">I juse use bash and friends (such as rsync as Deirdre and Michael<br clear="none">mentioned).<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">To answer your posed question, the reason FileZilla doesn't<br clear="none">automatically include the FileZilla ftp daemon is that no, FileZilla<br clear="none">does _not_ require a locally running ftp daemon -- in that its usual and<br clear="none">intended usage model is for connections to remote servers (that of<br clear="none">course would be running one or more of an ftp daemon, an ftp-over-SSL<br clear="none">daemon, or an ssh daemon (thus supporting sftp).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It's nice that FileZilla author Tim Kosse also wrote an ftp daemon, for<br clear="none">the quite rare system administrator who (still) runs one. However,<br clear="none">there are other good examples of that antiquated genre, such as vsftp<br clear="none">(which you mentioned). linuxmafia.com runs that, by the way --<br clear="none">something most folks would call eccentric in 2020 (or even 2000). ftp<br clear="none">has largely gone the way of the dodo.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">conspire mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><div class="ydpfd20db59yqt5701715884" id="ydpfd20db59yqtfd84351"><br clear="none"></div></div>
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