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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Ruben,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">One thing I like about Conspire is that it is not an echo box. Very different opinions are exchanged.</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The way my contact explained the situation in Portland is:</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">There is a particular park in downtown Portland that occupies several blocks. Across the street on one side is the Multnomah County Courthouse. Across the street on the other side is a federal courthouse and other federal office buildings. For several weeks there have been daily protestors in the park. They were often loud, but generally peaceful. The biggest offense was some graffiti on the plywood covering up nearby stores which were closed because of the virus (not the protestors). <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Mostly the demonstrators were seeking redress of grievances with the local police. It was in the local news everyday. <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">At the end of last week, suddenly people were being "kidnapped" by men in unmarked uniforms driving unmarked cars and not telling their victims why they were being detained. <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>It is the total lack "due process" that I find most disturbing.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span></span><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Only then did the national news cover the story. Naturally they used the most exciting clips they could find. Meanwhile there was an announcement by the chief Toddler that he was fixing the problems in Portland. Meanwhile the mayor blamed the Federales for escalating the situation and injuring several of the protestors.<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Paul<br></div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, July 20, 2020, 7:34:34 AM PDT, Ruben Safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
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<div>When I read this initially, I made a consciousess decision NOT to<br>comment on it, althought, the initial post was so ripe for critism,<br>seperate from any issue that was being raised.<br><br>But now you leave me with one particular aspect that is too delicious<br>not to comment on. With regard to the balence of police power between<br>the Fdederal and State governments, I am not amused by the back and<br>forth that people take positions upon this depending on if the issue<br>folds into there political prespective. Clearly the left wants federal<br>intervention when it comes to matters of civil rghts enforcement, and<br>poverty programs, but not when it comes to enforcing drug laws and<br>illegal alien laws. But I don't really want to argue about that either,<br>although we can wingding that topic for another month.<br><br>Instead. let me just remiond everyone of this wonder art imitates life<br>or something like this -- see below<br><br><br>On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 04:28:41AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:<br>> Quoting Paul Zander (<a href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">paulz@ieee.org</a>):<br>> <br>> > A phone call from Portland alerted me to some heavy handed activity by<br>> > people who are most likely federal officers in unmarked cars and<br>> > uniforms with no insignia detaining people. The people were never<br>> > told who the agents were or why they were being detained. One man was<br>> > not told what was happening until he was released outside of the<br>> > federal courthouse.<br>> <br>> And worse things. Another such detainees friends were told by the<br>> unidentified men in cammo uniforms stuffing the detainee into an<br>> unmarked car that, if they followed the car, they would be shot.<br>> <br>> It's a little unclear (at least to me) which laws are being violated by <br>> having alleged peace officers conducting detentions without any evident<br>> probable cause, refusing to identify themselves, having no badges or<br>> insignia, and driving unmarked cars -- but, if your police officers<br>> _literally_ cannot in any way be distinguished from kidnappers, and<br>> cannot be held accountable for anythng because there's deliberately no<br>> record of who they were and what they did, then your country has a<br>> problem.<br>> <br>> Back fifty years ago, we didn't need to have specific fundamental laws<br>> to the effect of 'Never be observed to be relying on Gestapo tactics for<br>> your police forces', because the memory was still fresh. But now, DHS<br>> and their boss the short-fingered vulgarian seem to be actively _trying_<br>> to get the citizenry to decide that the Feds are an alien, enemy<br>> faction. This goes beyond merely reckless and dangerous. It's<br>> (oonstructively) enemy action against state and local governments and<br>> the American people.<br>> <br><br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdCot34--pc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdCot34--pc</a><br>INT. AN ABANDONED WAREHOUSE - DAY<br><br> Snyder stands in the middle of a dusty old machine room,<br> surrounded by four or five Federal Agents. Visible around<br> the room are several folding cots and portable lockers. The<br> agents have obviously been quartered here temporarily. They<br> all wear white skimmers, save for one, a portly man, Captain<br> Polk, who paces the room smoking. There is something long-<br> suffering about him, as if he wondered how he ever got in a<br> service that thought white skimmers were classy.<br><br> SNYDER<br> What is this? I got work to do.<br><br> POLK<br> Sit down and shut up, will ya. Try<br> not to live up to all my<br> expectations.<br> (not in the mood to<br> screw around)<br> We were told you know a hustle<br> artist named Johnny Hooker.<br><br> Snyder doesn't answer.<br><br> POLK<br> Do ya know him or don't ya?<br><br> SNYDER<br> Yeh, but I don't know where he is.<br><br> POLK<br> Well we do. He's chummin' around<br> with a Big C named Henry Gondorff.<br> Ring any bells?<br><br> SNYDER<br> Sure. Every bunco man in the<br> country knows Gondorff.<br><br> POLK<br> There's word he's gonna run a con<br> on the North Side here. We got a<br> year-old Florida warrant on him,<br> but it's a thin beef, and he can<br> beat it in court unless we catch<br> him cold. All we want you to do is<br> pick up Hooker for us.<br><br> SNYDER<br> Why don't you pick him up yourself?<br><br> POLK<br> Cause the stoolies are used to<br> street dicks jumpin' him. If word<br> gets around that Feds are in on it<br> too, Gondorff'll fold up the whole<br> thing.<br><br> SNYDER<br> Wouldn't that be too bad. You'd<br> hafta move outa this nice office ya<br> got.<br><br> POLK<br> (enraged)<br> Don't crack wise to me, flatfoot.<br> I spent a lotta time in dumps like<br> this, eatin' Gondorff's dust while<br> the bunco squad gets rich tippin'<br> him off. But it's not gonna happen<br> this time. We're not even gonna<br> let the police know we're here. If<br> you keep your mouth shut and do a<br> job, there'll be a promotion in it<br> for ya. And you better take it,<br> cause I can make ya work for us<br> without it.<br><br> SNYDER<br> What the hell good is Hooker to ya?<br><br> POLK<br> He's gonna set up Gondorff for us.<br><br> SNYDER<br> He'll never do it.<br><br> POLK<br> (self-satisfied)<br> I think he will.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>conspire mailing list<br><a href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br><a href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a></div>
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