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On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 1:24:49 PM PDT, Ruben Safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
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<div>On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 05:02:33PM +0000, <a shape="rect" href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">paulz@ieee.org</a> wrote:<br clear="none">> Ruben,<br clear="none">> I will not argue with your statement.<br clear="none">> but touches on insurance and drug prices. <br clear="none">> Private insurance negotiates prices with the drug makers. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">No they don't. You have really no idea how it works, and I have zero<br clear="none">desire to open another front for a long long discussion.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">There is no aspect of the healthcare system, today, that functions in a<br clear="none">market, except, perhaps the copays that you pay. They largely reflect<br clear="none">what would tract actually market prices.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The extire system is as fixed as professional wrestling.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Medicare is not allowed to negotiate. So Gilead may set the price at $10000, just to name a big number. Private insurance might negotiate max of $1000. Then people would only pay $1000. Medicare would start with the $10000 price and decide if it should or should not be on their list of drugs.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On doctor visits, private insurance typically has a negotiated agreement on how much they will pay for what. Medicare makes up their own list of maximum fees. If your treatment is not on Medicare's list, they pay $0. A friend had special conditions for cataract surgery. Medicare would cover all of the costs for the normal procedure, but paid $0 for his procedure. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> These are a couple of reasons I don't support "Medicare for All". <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 9:50:07 AM PDT, Ruben Safir <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:ruben@mrbrklyn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ruben@mrbrklyn.com</a>> wrote: <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > IMHO, those who don't like the shelter-in-place rules also would likely not want rules on drug prices.<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> It that troll bait or are you confused about the logic. I have no<br clear="none">> problem with any price they make up as long as everyone has to pay cash<br clear="none">> for it and it is never covered by any government or private third party<br clear="none">> payer.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> You know... like let the market decide the price on suites at Giliad and<br clear="none">> the FDA.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> > conspire mailing list<br clear="none">> > <a shape="rect" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br clear="none">> > <a shape="rect" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> -- <br clear="none">> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town<br clear="none">> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological<br clear="none">> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.mrbrklyn.com " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mrbrklyn.com </a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.nylxs.com " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.nylxs.com </a>- Leadership Development in Free Software<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources </a>- Unpublished Archive <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.coinhangout.com " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.coinhangout.com </a>- coins!<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.brooklyn-living.com " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com </a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, <br clear="none">> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013<div class="ydpc87e2499yqt8372292482" id="ydpc87e2499yqtfd48544"><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">So many immigrant groups have swept through our town<br clear="none">that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological<br clear="none">proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.mrbrklyn.com " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mrbrklyn.com </a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.nylxs.com " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.nylxs.com </a>- Leadership Development in Free Software<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources </a>- Unpublished Archive <br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.coinhangout.com " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.coinhangout.com </a>- coins!<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.brooklyn-living.com " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com </a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, <br clear="none">but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013<br clear="none"></div></div>
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