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Adding my 2 cents to this thread. Germs are real. They have been proven by science. They are not opinion.<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Public Health Departments were created in the 1800's because of epidemics in London, NYC and other places. Laws were passed giving the Health Department authority for public health and safety. They have long had the power to quarantine people because of disease. The past few years, Public Health has been mostly trying to convince some parents that children need measles vaccine.<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><span><span><span>In
January, the news had stories about a new disease could be a serious
problem. </span></span>The Chinese had no way of knowing how bad COVOD19 might be. They
had seen past problems that sort of played themselves out. But when
they finally recognized that this was different, well they have ways of
"encouraging" behavior that we would find totally unacceptable. </span></div><div><span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>POTUS
said, we have have great people. We have amazing medicine. It won't
be a problem. Prez Bush created a department to monitor possible disease outbreaks and national security. Obama increased that department. Trump closed it. Early on, Trump could have gotten an Admiral or General who was experienced in complex operations and told him to figure it out. Trump failed to act. <span><span> Now the US has more cases than any other country,
including China which has a much bigger population. </span></span><br></span></div></div></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The stay at home orders here did not start with politicians, it was the head of the County Health Department. She had a lot of knowledge of infectious diseases and had studied Ibola and Zikka and SARS and MERS. She was alarmed at what she saw, consulted with 6 other health departments and got all of the science experts to agree on the necessary action. It was when they were about to make the joint public press conference that the Mayor of SF grabbed the microphone.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">It was several days before Gov Newsom joined in. I happened to hear his first press conference. He had already talked to the presidents of major banks about forbearance on evictions. Then he specifically called out B of A for not joining in. The Gov knows he does not have the authority to order banks, but he does have a microphone.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">And the CA politicians take care to not disagree with the health department people. If there is a question from the press, the gov hands the mike to the health department official. <span>They don't make crazy statements like injecting or ingesting disinfectants.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span><span> I have been plotting the SC county cases. </span></span>In early March they said to wash hands and avoid large gatherings. A couple weeks later the rate of new cases slowed. The said "stay at home", two weeks later the rate dropped again. They gave a more narrow definition of essential business and the rate dropped yet again.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>The officials in NY, did not react as early. The number of cases and number of deaths in all of CA has been less than most of the boroughs of NYC. The facts speak for themselves.<br></span></div><div><span></span><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>OK, now the conditions for the local hospitals are, well stable. They have enough ventilators, beds and body bags. They also have some more experience on how to manage the disease and possibly anticipate the next problem with any one patient.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>However, until there is a vaccine, the number of cases and number of deaths will continue to rise. Maybe we won't need the temporary field hospitals, but it's small consolation to the family if a loved dies next month or in November instead of next week. I would guess that a significant proportion of CABAL people are at risk because of age and/or other conditions We need to do some unpleasant things for the benefit of not just ourselves, but our friends and neighbors. <br></span></div><br><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span><span>People can recover from being broke and hungry and stir-crazy. They can't recover from dead.</span></span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">BTW, another 1800's expert was Dr Lister who insisted surgeons wash before operating.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 4:09:31 PM PDT, Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com> wrote:
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<div>Quoting Ruben Safir (<a shape="rect" href="mailto:ruben@mrbrklyn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ruben@mrbrklyn.com</a>):<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> He builds up to a routine that says the panet will get rid of us with a<br clear="none">> virus.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">OK, thanks. I'll probably watch it, then. I hope you're familiar with<br clear="none">Terry Gilliam's shaggy-dog (er, shaggy-monkey) 1995 science fiction movie<br clear="none">'12 Monkeys'?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> [...]<br clear="none"> The movie uses its future world as a home base and launching pad for<br clear="none"> the central story, which is set in 1990 and 1996, and is about a time<br clear="none"> traveler trying to save the world from a deadly plague.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> The traveler is Cole (Bruce Willis), who in the opening shots lives<br clear="none"> with a handful of other human survivors in an underground shelter put<br clear="none"> together out of scrap parts and a lot of wire mesh. The surface of the<br clear="none"> planet has been reclaimed by animals, after the death of 5 billion<br clear="none"> people during a plague in 1996.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Cole is plucked from his cage and sent on a surface expedition by the<br clear="none"> rulers of this domain, who hope to learn enough about the plague virus<br clear="none"> to defeat it. Later, he is picked for a more crucial mission: He will<br clear="none"> travel back in time and gather information about the virus before it<br clear="none"> mutated. (The movie holds out no hope that he can "stop" it before it<br clear="none"> starts; from his point of view, the plague has already happened, and so<br clear="none"> the future society is seeking treatment, not prevention.)<br clear="none"> [...]<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090215021903/http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F19960105%2FREVIEWS%2F601050301%2F1023" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20090215021903/http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F19960105%2FREVIEWS%2F601050301%2F1023</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Jeffrey Goines [Brad Pitt]: You know what crazy is? Crazy is <br clear="none"> majority rules. Take germs, for example.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> James Cole [Bruce Willis]: Germs?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Jeffrey Goines: Uh-huh. Eighteenth century: no such thing, nada,<br clear="none"> nothing. No one ever imagined such a thing. No sane person. Along comes<br clear="none"> this doctor, uh, Semmelweis, Semmelweis. Semmelweis comes along. He's<br clear="none"> trying to convince people, other doctors mainly, that's there's these<br clear="none"> teeny tiny invisible bad things called germs that get into your body and<br clear="none"> make you sick. He's trying to get doctors to wash their hands. What is<br clear="none"> this guy? Crazy? Teeny, tiny, invisible? What do they call it? Uh-uh,<br clear="none"> germs? Huh? What? Now, up to the 20th century — last week, as a matter<br clear="none"> of fact, before I got dragged into this hellhole — I go in to order a<br clear="none"> burger at this fast-food joint, and the guy drops it on the floor.<br clear="none"> James, he picks it up, he wipes it off, he hands it to me like it's all<br clear="none"> OK. "What about the germs?" I say. He says "I don't believe in germs.<br clear="none"> Germs is a plot made up so they could sell disinfectants and soaps." Now<br clear="none"> he's crazy, right? See? Ah! Ah! There's no right, there's no wrong,<br clear="none"> there's only popular opinion. You... you... you believe in germs, right?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Post-modern wisdom from two characters in a fictional insane asylum.<br clear="none">(The bit about Dr. Ignatz Semmelweis is true. He died, in the end, in<br clear="none">an insane asylum, in disgrace.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Kurt Vonnegut considered Semmelweiss a once-in-a-lifetime hero.<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/Misc/Semmelweis.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/Misc/Semmelweis.html</a><div class="ydp1320638cyqt8919887949" id="ydp1320638cyqtfd17316"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">conspire mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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