<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Rick,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>In my panic, I had completely missed that part about using the URI 'about:profiles', <br></div><div>it works great! <br></div><div><br></div><div>When I went in there, I immediately saw that my old profile <span class="gmail-im">wasn't the default, <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">and Firefox had made a new empty profile (with the "-esr" extension) and set <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">_that_ profile as the default, alongside my old profile which was also still there</span></div><div><span class="gmail-im"> (except that it was not the default, which seems a really weird choice). <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">There was a tempting button
[Make Default]
next to my old profile <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">and I used that button to make my old profile the default one.</span></div><div><span class="gmail-im"> Once I had done that, and launched a new Firefox session,</span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">and closed the old one, Firefox happily let me delete the <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">empty "-esr" profile.</span></div><div><span class="gmail-im"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">So now I'm "back to normal" again (although somewhat nerve-wracked <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">that the developers would find such convoluted steps amusing). <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">Maybe they think it's a good way to teach their users about this <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">new "separate profiles" feature, although I'd have preferred a <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">slightly less jarring introduction to it.<br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">Thanks,</span></div><div><span class="gmail-im">Peter. </span>
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:47 PM Rick Moen <<a href="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Quoting Peter Knaggs (<a href="mailto:peter.knaggs@gmail.com" target="_blank">peter.knaggs@gmail.com</a>):<br>
<br>
> I've been on Firefox 68.0 on Ubuntu 18.10 for a while,<br>
> but then it suddenly stopped being upgradable, so<br>
> in an attempt to go back to using Debian I installed<br>
> Debian 10 (buster) on a different machine and<br>
> copied my .mozilla directory across from my<br>
> Ubuntu 18.10 machine.<br>
> <br>
> But now when I launch Firefox 85.5.0esr<br>
> in Debian 10, I'm running into this curious trouble,<br>
> it's giving me this message:<br>
> <br>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> This installation of Firefox has a new profile.<br>
> It does not share bookmarks, passwords and<br>
> user preferences with other installations of<br>
> Firefox (including Firefox, Firefox ESR, Firefox<br>
> Beta, Firefox Developer Edition, and Firefox<br>
> Nightly) on this computer.<br>
> <br>
> To sync information you've already saved to Firefox with this<br>
> installation of Firefox, sign in with your Firefox Account.<br>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi, Peter! First, to be clear, this problem is brand-new to me, <br>
so if others here have encountered it, they can probably give you<br>
more-intelligent comments than I can.<br>
<br>
Searching the diagnostic message, what I see is a claim that 'this is<br>
only supposed to happen if the installation directory is changing',<br>
i.e., the new version of Firefox is searching for .mozilla trees<br>
somewhere different from where the former version did. (But I suspect<br>
that's not it.)<br>
<br>
I also see a suggestion of loading URI 'about:profiles', seeing if<br>
perchance there are now _multiple_ profiles (Firefox having erroneously<br>
added one), and trying setting the second profile as your main profile,<br>
in hopes that the second profile is your real one. I think that sounds<br>
promising, so I'd definitely try that first before anything else. I <br>
have a hunch that's it.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> If Firefox is going to be making strange decisions<br>
> like this, seemingly abandoning their "on-premises" users,<br>
> it looks like it's time to switch to something else...<br>
> <br>
> What browser would you recommend for folks who have<br>
> to manage their profile information locally on their own machine?<br>
<br>
Quite a lot of people have been unhappy for various reasons about<br>
_numerous_ Firefox changes starting with v. 48 in autumn 2016, not least<br>
the jarring decision to make Firefox unwilling to load extensions <br>
that aren't crypto-signed by Mozilla, Inc. at <a href="http://addons.mozilla.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://addons.mozilla.org/</a><br>
was one, and the sudden dropping of all XUL/XPCOM support with only<br>
relatively cruddy and markedly more limited WebExtensions API support as<br>
a substitute. And there have been other dissatisfactions that aren't<br>
immediately coming to mind. Personally, the requirement for<br>
mandatory crypto-signing (signing by them but not by, say, me) was the<br>
deal-breaker for me.<br>
<br>
Of course, it's possible that if you get the profile thing under<br>
control, those bits of other people's disgruntlement will matter less to<br>
you.<br>
<br>
Here's what I wrote on the question you posed (well, on at least a<br>
related question) recently on Devuan Project's Dng mailing list:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Quoting <a href="mailto:golinux@devuan.org" target="_blank">golinux@devuan.org</a> (<a href="mailto:golinux@devuan.org" target="_blank">golinux@devuan.org</a>):<br>
<br>
> Just great! So how can we keep off this cloudflare thing?<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default_for_usa/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/25/mozilla_turns_on_dns_over_https_by_default<br>
_for_usa/</a><br>
><br>
> Rick Moen? Anyone?<br>
<br>
It's been obviously coming (for newer Firefox versions) for quite some<br>
time. Since my _personal_ view is that Firefox (Release Edition and<br>
Beta) went unacceptably off the rails starting with Firefox 48 on<br>
2016-08-02 (and similar damage to Firefox ESR then being only a matter<br>
of time), I see this as unfortunate but as just another nail in the<br>
coffin.<br>
<br>
As noted in TheReg's article (and linked Mozilla blog item), the new<br>
DoH default in Firefox 73.0.1 can be simply unchecked somewhere in<br>
the program's Settings (for now).<br>
<br>
Also, for those who care about new Firefox versions but haven't read the<br>
coverage, it should be noted that the new default is (claimed to be) set<br>
only in downloadable binary versions of the browser offered at<br>
<a href="http://mozilla.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mozilla.org</a> to USA users, not to those elsewhere in the world.<br>
<br>
The direct effect on Linux users would be only on distros that do no<br>
meaningful curating and correcion of Mozilla, Inc.'s sometimes brainless<br>
defaults in their distro packages. (I really have no idea if the Debian<br>
distro package of Firefox Release Edition suffers this brain damage,<br>
having lost interest, as I said, some years back. Perhaps someone else<br>
here knows.<br>
<br>
(Seriously, I really, really wish either Debian or someone else would<br>
gather together as much as possible of the 'No, we don't accept<br>
mandatory extension signing and are not thrilled about losing XUL/XPCOM<br>
without a lot better planning' consensus under one roof under revived<br>
brand identity 'Iceweasel'. Seems like an obvious solution, to me --<br>
and, to correct myself just a bit, in a way, it's almost-sorta happened:<br>
the several little scattershot Firefox pre-57 forks include Pale Moon,<br>
Basilisk, Waterfox, Iceweasel-UXP, Iceape-UXP, and Borealis Navigator.<br>
<br>
For those who are unfamiliar with Iceweasel-UXP, I recommend reading<br>
their lucid and brief explanation:<br>
<a href="https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:project:iceweasel-uxp" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:project:iceweasel-uxp</a><br>
(But, seriously, IMO they should call it 'Iceweasel', which is a peculiar<br>
enough name without the suffix, but at least has a history.)<br>
<br>
<br>
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