<div dir="ltr">RPM packages tend to send me into "dependency hell" loops.<div>deb packages, for some reason just have their dependencies nailed down better.</div><div>I dont know why, it just is.</div><div><br></div><div>Deb works first time out of the bag and i cant remember the last time i had a dependency problem with deb.</div><div><br></div><div>I have only used Yast a few times, so I dont have enough data to make a comment on yast.</div><div>I seem to recall that yast still works on prm files, so that would indicate that while it might be a better package tool, the issues with the RPM files\</div><div>we get off the net would be the same dependency hell.</div><div><br></div><div>Its not that RPM files are bad, its the fact that the community that builds them has gotten sloppy.</div><div><br></div><div>The SUSE "Booth Babe" (Im SOOO gonna get killed fior that line....) said "Suse started in 1992" but didnt elaborate in the detail Rick did.</div><div>So I dont think they really fibbed, I just didnt have all the pieces.</div><div><br></div><div>Pauls point about the shrink wrapped package at LW, leaves something missing.</div><div>Being handed shrink wrapped CDs at a trade show is VERY different from shrink wrapped on the shelf at Frys.</div><div>When I comment about first shrink wrapped, I mean on retail shelves, not out of a backet at a trade show.</div><div>I was not clear before and that was my bad. Aplogies offered.</div><div><br></div><div>Suse was very nice, they had chocolate and they had the pens with the touch screen stylus on the back side.</div><div><br></div><div>They are only starting to chip away at RedHat in Europe (Their words).</div><div>As long as the Sweeded keep shoveling money at them, they expect to make inroads against RedHat.</div><div>They almost fell over laughing when I called RedHat "north Carolina frat boys"</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 9:50 AM <a href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org">paulz@ieee.org</a> <<a href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org">paulz@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail-m_-8254320402292233806ydp7ef729bayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div>I'll just add a memory about SuSE and YaST.</div><div><br></div><div>I went to a LinuxWorld Expo in San Francisco during the DotCom era. I went to the exhibits of various distros and asked about their process for installing Linux. The SuSE rep handed me a green shrink wrapped package containing several CDs and said, "Here." <br></div><div><br></div><div>In my experience, YaST was much easier to deal with than most of the alternatives.<br></div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 11:17:17 PM PDT, Rick Moen <<a href="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>> wrote:
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<div>Quoting Texx (<a shape="rect" href="mailto:texxgadget@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">texxgadget@gmail.com</a>):<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> [The SUSE people] claim to have started in 1992, making them actually<br clear="none">> older than RedHat, but couldnt tell me when they were first available<br clear="none">> shrink wrapped.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The _firm_ ('Gesellschaft für Software und System Entwicklung mbH') was<br clear="none">established in 1992 -- and what they distributed at that time was<br clear="none">Slackware (and also SLS). Then in 1994, Patrick Volkerding helped<br clear="none">translate Slackware into German, and the resulting translated Slackware<br clear="none">was sold as 'S.u.S.E. Linux 1.0' -- but there was at that point no other<br clear="none">software difference from Slackware, except full German language support.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The company played around a bit with slightly customised Slackware, then <br clear="none">switched stategies between 1993 and 1996 to use Florian La Roche's Jurix, <br clear="none">another now-defunct early Linux distribution out of Germany, about which see<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://linux.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/pub/linux/distributions/jurix/docs/history.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linux.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/pub/linux/distributions/jurix/docs/history.html </a>.<br clear="none">The firm hired La Roche, in effect taking Jurix in-house, and it was he<br clear="none">who developed the YaST admin tool for which SUSE became best known.<br clear="none">Finally, the next release, 'S.u.S.E Linux 4.2' (to my knowledge the<br clear="none">first non-beta after 1.0) followed, and was the first released that was<br clear="none">distinctive from other people's work. The new version number was, of<br clear="none">course, a Hitchhiker's Guide reference.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So, whoever told you they 'started in 1992' was either underinformed or<br clear="none">was cheating a bit, because before 1996 SUSE was just a Unix consultancy<br clear="none">firm and redistributor of other people's distributions.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> I was surprised that the latest acquisition of Suse (Pronounced ' soo<br clear="none">> sah ' , NOT ' soo see' )<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> They were owned by Novell, then Micro Focus, and now some Swedish<br clear="none">> venture capitalist firm....<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Yeah, I said that.<div class="gmail-m_-8254320402292233806ydpd03fedb1yqt2701118015" id="gmail-m_-8254320402292233806ydpd03fedb1yqtfd76877"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">conspire mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><br>R "Texx" Woodworth<br>Sysadmin, E-Postmaster, IT Molewhacker<br>"Face down, 9 edge 1st, roadkill on the information superdata highway..."<br></div>