<div dir="auto">I learned visual (the REAL name for vi) from man vi.<div dir="auto">The name vi came from the alias students were setting in their dot files.</div><div dir="auto">Emacs is a better option than Microsoft but could use a better editor.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Fortunately, the Rand editor died.</div><div dir="auto">It used most of the vi commands but I stead of escape to go to command mode, it used the same letters as vi but in control chars.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It left lots of trash files behind after sessions and if it exited unexpectedly, the next time that it lit up, it would report that the system had crashed, which would make my support line ring.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"The system is down"</div><div dir="auto">"No, it's not"</div><div dir="auto">"Oh yes it is, the system says so"</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am not aware of any vi package with Bills original code.</div><div dir="auto">It appears to have been completely rewritten in several versions including vim and nvi.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't know the current bad port tree well, so it might still be there, but none of Bills code remains in either Deb or RPM trees that I can find.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 9, 2019, 11:52 <a href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org">paulz@ieee.org</a> <<a href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org">paulz@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-8612159545816094667ydp62a48164yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div>The reason I use EMACS is a simple byproduct of where I was in my career at the time these became widely available. Mid-80's I was already out of school and busy working when I got my first Unix workstation.</div><div><br></div><div>Vi had two drawbacks: Very limited documentation available at that time. If I was still in college, there would probably have been a classmate or someone in the dorm as an informal coach with lots of tips and shortcuts. Also, I was always getting mixed up in which mode I was in. Was typing into my document or typing commands to vi?</div><div><br></div><div>EMACS, on the other hand has no modes. EMACS has an extensive documentation package and the "apropos" function to give appropriate suggestions. The documentation was to complete that I could just show it to some of the people in technical writing. An hour or so later, they were on their way.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Saturday, March 9, 2019, 11:30:38 AM PST, Deirdre Saoirse Moen <<a href="mailto:deirdre@deirdre.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">deirdre@deirdre.net</a>> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">> On Mar 9, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Michael Paoli <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Dang, they didn't include [n]vi. But I guess in fairness, there are a<br clear="none">> lot of flavors/variations of vi - and they only covered one, and<br clear="none">> these days, vim is most commonly used/available among them. Likewise<br clear="none">> they just cover one flavor of emacs, etc.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Yeah, it’d be interesting to see more breakdown. But I had to laugh at how hard Java got ragged on.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">"On the other end of the spectrum is Eclipse: it appears that someone using either Vim or Emacs is more than twice as likely to pass our technical interview as an Eclipse user.”<br clear="none"><br clear="none">"I was surprised to find one huge outlier here: Eclipse! Oddly enough, it appears that even after we pre-screen Eclipse users for their programming skills, they still get offers from only half as many of the onsite interviews we send them to compared with the rest of our population.”<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Also of note:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">"Hey, what happened to PHP? As a former PHP developer myself, I found it interesting that it’s now just a small drop in the “other” bucket. As one of the interviewers here, I’ve personally never seen anyone interview in PHP yet (although others have).”<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I have interviewed in PHP, just not in at least ten years.<div class="m_-8612159545816094667ydpef719bd7yqt7993663869" id="m_-8612159545816094667ydpef719bd7yqtfd10342"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Deirdre<br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">conspire mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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