<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14547" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14707">I saved your detailed comments about HTML editors to refer to when I next need an HTML editor. Long ago, I had started using Seamonkey because I had it and it "worked". As discussed, whether or not it will continue to work is by no means certain.<br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14691"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15397"><span>---</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15431"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15421"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15438">>> Am I missing something? Didn't you go to some considerable pains to re-converge onto Stable, and get off Testing?<br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15497"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14956"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14692">Regarding Debian versions, I have been using "testing" for years. </span><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14692"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14959">I should have corrected you some emails back, but I was making progress on other issues. My apologies. <br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14942"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14692"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14827"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14692"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17363">Over the years, I have
had various frustrations when the Debian version of some package was a
year or more behind the current release for other operating systems. </span>As you said in a different email, "The downside of Debian-stable is that the software versions are... old. "<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14826"><br></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14458"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14913" dir="ltr">So now I have the opposite situation, a particular package (openscad) is in stable, but not in testing. Apparently something changed in the Debian-testing that broke the package. <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17356"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17189">I have two computers. Both have now been well upgraded and have latest "testing" versions of dozens of other packages, including Firefox. OpensCAD installed and runs on one. It won't install on the other because of some missing libraries. I believe that this is the sort of "difficulty" I might encountered with other packages, for example, Seamonkey.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15388"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15136">I will be very much surprised if you can offer a solution other than to wait and see if the developers decide to address the problem.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15137"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15202">For the record:</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15215">Computer 1 is a desktop. Computer 2 is a laptop. Computer 2 has been to Cabal several times. The first couple of times, I learned that Win8 and EFI made dual boot much more difficult. I "fixed" that by getting external drive. Thank you to everyone at Cabal that advised on that a few years back.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15281"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15282">Besides the obvious differences in hardware, I have not installed all of the same packages on both machines. So there likely difference in exactly which library files and which versions are on each machine. <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_15296"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17220">Computer 2 lists th<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17270"> Depends: libcgal12 but it is not installable<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17271"> Depends: libqt5scintilla2-12v5 (>=2.8.4) but it is not installable<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17267"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_16812">They are not installed on computer 1. Somehow I got lucky that apt-get somehow proceeded and somehow the package appears to run. I am aware that I am on "thin ice" and that it might break without explicit warning.</div><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14467" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14466"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14465"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14464"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14463" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14462" size="1"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17071"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17070">From:</span></b> Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> conspire@linuxmafia.com <br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17087"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17086">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:15 PM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17090"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_17089">Subject:</span></b> Re: [conspire] upgrade and grub<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1530289904532_14476"><br>...<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Now I have an instance of a program that doesn't consistently install:<br clear="none">> openscad. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Again, I am obliged to repeat what I've said several times: Why is<br clear="none">the current problem with the Debian package on the _testing_ track<br clear="none">relevant to you? You are on the stable track. Aren't you?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Am I missing something? Didn't you go to some considerable pains to<br clear="none">re-converge onto Stable, and get off Testing?<br clear="none"><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>