<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7086"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130">I just looked up more than 20 different apps. The versions installed, in Stretch and in Buster. In some cases they are all the same. In some cases the installed is a little older.<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7291" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7290" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130">BUT there were a few "more interesting". For example, GIMP. The installed version is the same as testing and newer than stable. The file date on /usr/bin/gimp is March 28. That might have been the last time I did an `apt-get update`</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7346" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7345" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130">The real outlier is Firefox. I</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7556" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130"> Installed stable|stretch testing|buster</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7557" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130"> 45.8 52.8.1 52.8.1</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7558" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7559" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130">My present guess is that my sources.list file really was doing "testing", but something is amiss with Firefox. I know I have downloaded and added SeaMonkey without using apt-get.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7623" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7657" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130">Possible fix: <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7658" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130">#apt-get update<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7659" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130">#apt-get remove firefox</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7678" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130">#apt-get install firefox</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7679" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7661" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7130"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7030" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7023" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7022" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7021" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7020" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7019" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7155" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> conspire@linuxmafia.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:43 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [conspire] How to update packages when Deb is behind?<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529642871174_7029" class="y_msg_container"><br>Forgot to add:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> But, my point is, once you have refreshed your system's package catalogues,<br clear="none">> you can then use Debian package to tools to query what is _now_<br clear="none">> available, and what would _now_ happen if you were to command<br clear="none">> installation of something.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Among other things, apt-get includes this option:<br clear="none">> -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Including that, e.g., saying 'apt-get -s install somepackagename' <br clear="none">would thus qualify as maximally cautious, _but_ in practice, in my<br clear="none">experience, isn't _very_ necessary (or useful), even _if_ you didn't<br clear="none">bother to do 'apt-cache search somepackagename' or equivalent. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Why? Because _if_ the installation of the available remote version of<br clear="none">package somepackagename is going to drag in any dependencies you didn't <br clear="none">explicitly state on the apt-get command line, then apt-get will tell <br clear="none">you what it's proposing to do and stop at a 'y/N' confirmation prompt to<br clear="none">ask your explicit OK. In other words, a certain amount of conservative<br clear="none">attitude (as to dependency-resolution actions that might come as a<br clear="none">surprise) is built right into apt-get, anyway.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">That having been said, doing the dry-run thing certainly _does_<br clear="none">completely avert the possibility of upgrade surprises.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">(OTOH, one could adopt the viewpoint that when you type 'apt-get nstall<br clear="none">somepackagename', you understand that this means fetch and then install<br clear="none">-- a subtask that apt-get implements by calling dpkg -- the latest repo<br clear="none">packaging of somepackagename, and apt-get should Just Bloody Well Do It.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Adjust your local degree of paranoia to suit.<div class="yqt7286187927" id="yqtfd01037"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">conspire mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>