<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16142">Below are the file contents. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16447"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16448">Apparently I installed from CD in 2015 and updated sources.list, but missed the other files.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16389">BTW, I did not email the full sources.list file. We can return to that later.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16162"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16214" dir="ltr">root@PZ01:/# ls -l /etc/debian*<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16197">-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 665845760 Dec 21 2015 /etc/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16198">-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40133 Dec 13 2015 /etc/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.jigdo<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16199">-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 61937999 Dec 13 2015 /etc/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.template<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16200">-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11 Jun 25 2017 /etc/debian_version<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16201"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16202">root@PZ01:/# ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16203">total 0<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16204"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16205">root@PZ01:/etc# cat debian_version <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16206">buster/sid<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16207">root@PZ01:/etc# cd /<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16208">root@PZ01:/# cat /etc/issue<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16209">Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid \n \l<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16210"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16211">root@PZ01:/# cat /etc/debian_version <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16212">buster/sid<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16213"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16387"><br></div><div><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16383" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16382" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16381" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16380" dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> conspire@linuxmafia.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 11:33 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [conspire] How to update packages when Deb is behind?<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529597929221_16385" class="y_msg_container"><br>Quoting Paul Zander (<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org">paulz@ieee.org</a>):<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> To answer your first question, the most recent web-site was someplace<br clear="none">> doing a survey about my doctor visit. However, some banking web-sites<br clear="none">> have also complained.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I'd be interested to hear whether that continues if you install the<br clear="none">User Agent Switcher extension (Debian package xul-ext-useragentswitcher), and <br clear="none">use it to masquerade as a popular MS-Windows or MacOS or smartphone<br clear="none">browser. It's really rare for sites to have _real_ browser<br clear="none">dependencies. And, frankly, when those exist, it's even rarer for the<br clear="none">site to tell you about the problem. (It's more common that you find<br clear="none">that some AJAX-heavy feature on a site doesn't work right on one browser<br clear="none">but works fine on a different one, but the site tells you nothing at<br clear="none">all.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> But, I have uncovered a more interesting aspect of the problem.<br clear="none">> Looking at my edited /etc/apt/sources.list, I believe I once installed<br clear="none">> Jessie from CD. But that line was commented out. The active lines<br clear="none">> are like: <br clear="none">><br clear="none">> deb <a shape="rect" href="http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian/" target="_blank">http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian/ </a>testing main contrib non-free<br clear="none">> deb-src <a shape="rect" href="http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian/" target="_blank">http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian/ </a>testing main contrib non-free<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> So I thought I have been on testing for a long time. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Um... before doing anything else, better do some checking.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Look at the contents of /etc/issue, for starters. It's an ASCII text<br clear="none">file, and, on Debian, should tell you a lot about what development<br clear="none">branch the system thinks it is. Also check /etc/debian_version,<br clear="none">which'll probably say the same thing as /etc/issue, whatever those<br clear="none">contents are.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Just to be double-sure, check for the possible existenceof an<br clear="none">/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory that (if it exists) could house<br clear="none">additional sources.list entries within additional files.<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26020917/what-is-the-function-of-etc-apt-sources-list-d" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26020917/what-is-the-function-of-etc-apt-sources-list-d</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">The sources.list (active) lines you cited strike me as being, at<br clear="none">minimum, incomplete, if only because there should be a<br clear="none">security.debian.org line for Debian Security Team package updates.<br clear="none">And a *-updates line.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So, I'm kind of wondering who or what has been messing with your system.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">But as you'll see here, mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu has a perfectly OK<br clear="none">set of Debian package repos: <a shape="rect" href="https://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian/" target="_blank">https://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian/</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Here are some typical, normal sources.list file prototypes:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Also as stated in my original email, Firefox is version 45. According<br clear="none">> the Debian package search, even Wheezy has 52. <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Obviously something is not getting updated. But at least it is called<br clear="none">> Firefox not IceApe.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Intended reference was probably to IceWeasel, which was Debian's<br clear="none">unbranded Firefox (necessitated at one time by Mozilla, Inc. being<br clear="none">asshats about trademark policy, to make a long story short). IceApe <br clear="none">was indeed a Web browser, but an oft-forgotten one. It was Debian's<br clear="none">unbranded fork of SeaMonkey. (Icedove was Debian's unbranded<br clear="none">Thunderbird, and Iceowl was Debian's unbranded Mozilla Sunbird.<br clear="none">One version of the long story is here:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_Debian" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_Debian </a>)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I was quite fond of IceWeasel and Icedove, and think nowadays that it's<br clear="none">really unfortunate that they were EOLed, because IMO some additional<br clear="none">good alternatives to Firefox v. 57+ would be A Good Thing.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Anyway, _after_ you have checked /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version to<br clear="none">see what your system thinks it is, you should perhaps consider fixing<br clear="none">your /etc/sources.list a bit. I also hope you're aware that you must<br clear="none">occasionally replenish/update the available-packages catalogue? That<br clear="none">doesn't do itself, is my point. If using apt-get:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> apt-get update<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Only after recently having done so will 'apt-cache search' and similar<br clear="none">operaions give you meaningful information about what is available in the<br clear="none">package repos for your system.<div class="yqt2666896094" id="yqtfd93373"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">conspire mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>