<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">If you don't need Virtualbox's claimed 3D support (which is actually rather crappy), I'd suggest running Windows under KVM, via vert-manager.<div class="">KVM is integrated with the Linux kernel, and doesn't require binary drivers on the host.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 23, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Paul Zander <<a href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" class="">paulz@ieee.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21007" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025" class="">Running VB on windows is only a temporary activity. <br class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025" class="">It was Rick's suggestion that, as an intermediate step, install VB on Windows and have it actually run the virtual version of windows. <br class=""></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21042" dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025" class=""></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21181" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025" class="">Then, having verified the Virtual windows works, I can safely reformat the HD to my liking, and install Debian using the entire drive. After that, I will used Linux to run VB for those applications for which don't have a Linux counterpart.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21183" dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025" class=""></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21185" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025" class="">BTW, one thing I noticed along the way was that when I am running windows inside VB, that installation won't need assorted programs like LibreOffice or gimp, which I might wish I could run while windows was open. Another advantage of using virtualization instead of dual-boot. <br class=""></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21293" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21296" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025" class="">Now if the machine had come with Windows install media, this would have been a lot simplier, but we have already beaten that topic into dust.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21006" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br class=""><br class=""></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_20999" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_20998" style="font-family: lucida console, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class=""> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_20997" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_20996" dir="ltr" class=""> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21004" size="2" face="Arial" class=""> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21255" size="1" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Dan Bikle <<a href="mailto:dan.bikle@gmail.com" class="">dan.bikle@gmail.com</a>><br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Paul Zander <<a href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" class="">paulz@ieee.org</a>> <br class=""><b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" class="">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" class="">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a>><br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 23, 2016 11:11 AM<br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [conspire] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: VirtualBox<br class=""> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br class=""><div id="yiv5744222179" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="yiv5744222179gmail_default" style="font-size:large;">Paul,<br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="yiv5744222179gmail_default" style="font-size:large;">Answer to q1: My experience with virtualbox is that it is buggy and unreliable on windows. For USB features and support you will need to see how virtualbox behaves on your PC. I have seen evidence that USB support exists for virtualbox guests but I dont know how reliable it is.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="yiv5744222179gmail_default" style="font-size:large;">Answer to q2: I prefer .txt files.<br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="yiv5744222179gmail_default" style="font-size:large;">-Dan<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></div><div class="yiv5744222179gmail_extra"><br clear="none" class=""><div class="yiv5744222179gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Paul Zander <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" class="">paulz@ieee.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""><blockquote class="yiv5744222179gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv5744222179yqt4243766574" id="yiv5744222179yqt17005"><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'lucida console', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">Many months later, I am moving forward on VirtualBox.</span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><span class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">The next step is to actually install VirtualBox.</span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><span class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">2 quick questions:</span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">1) Regarding hardware. I have at least one Windows program that uses a special USB thingy. Can Windows in VirtualBox, readily find the USB thingy? Will that lock up the entire USB? For example the mouse which is also on USB?</span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><span class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">2) I have been making rather detailed step-by-step notes of the process. It is several pages; Much too long to send as an email. Is this something that should be posted on linuxmafia? If so, what format is preferred? PFD, ODT, TXT?<br clear="none" class=""></span></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div style="display:block;" class=""> <div style="font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> </font><hr size="1" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Rick Moen <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com" class="">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>><br clear="none" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" class="">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a> <br clear="none" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 8, 2016 1:26 AM<br clear="none" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [conspire] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: VirtualBox<br clear="none" class=""> </div> <div class=""><br clear="none" class="">Quoting Paul Zander (Paul Zander):<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">> Regarding disk and partition units:The particular machine has a 1TB<br clear="none" class="">> drive. Originally C: 900 GB. There were some "hidden" partitions,<br clear="none" class="">> which seem to be standard windoz something.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">If I were you, I would spend some effort figuring out what those are and<br clear="none" class="">what they're for.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">> Win8 includes a partition manager, but it has limited functionality.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Yes, you'll ideally want to use a real, open source one, run from a live CD<br clear="none" class="">(which impliedly includes USB flash) distribution.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">> Regarding flash vs. SSD:Both are solid state memories based on NAND<br clear="none" class="">> cells which have a limited number of write cycles before they<br clear="none" class="">> degrade. SSD has a enhancements to increase the life by 10X or more. <br clear="none" class="">> Now that think about it, only a few years ago people were questioning<br clear="none" class="">> if solid state memories were reliable enough to replace spinning<br clear="none" class="">> disks. <br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Early on with NAND flash devices, there was a lot of worry about limited<br clear="none" class="">numbers of write/erase cycles and consequent early device death. As you<br clear="none" class="">say, current production drives have so extended that number of cycles<br clear="none" class="">that nobody is really worried any more. By the time your 2016 SSDs are<br clear="none" class="">wearing out, you're almost certain to want to replace them with better,<br clear="none" class="">faster, massively higher capacity, cheaper, tinier 2022 SSDs (or whatever).<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">People who remain worried are, of course, perfectly welcome to stick to<br clear="none" class="">(slow, power-sucking, heat-and-noise-generating) spinning-rust drives,<br clear="none" class="">that aren't exactly immune to device failure, either.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">______________________________ _________________<br clear="none" class="">conspire mailing list<br clear="none" class=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" class="">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br clear="none" class=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" class="">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/ listinfo/conspire</a><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br clear="none" class="">______________________________ _________________<br clear="none" class="">
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