<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46020">Thanks for suggestion of KVM as alternate to VB. I do see that it is a standard debian package.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46361"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46360">So what I have done is to</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46190" dir="ltr">1) back up all of the crazy partitions that Dell created. (Remind me to think twice about another Dell computer even if the price is marked down.)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46358" dir="ltr">2) run VMware's P2V.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46386" dir="ltr">3) I've just started reading the documentation for Virtual Box. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46217" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46192" dir="ltr">Next I want to make verify the output of P2V is good. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46249" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46250" dir="ltr">If there was such a thing as a live Linux ISO with KVM, I could skip VB.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46221" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46225" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46300"><br></div><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46305" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46304" style="font-family: lucida console, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46303" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_46302" dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dana Goyette <danagoyette@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Zander <paulz@ieee.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Dan Bikle <dan.bikle@gmail.com>; "conspire@linuxmafia.com" <conspire@linuxmafia.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 23, 2016 3:02 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [conspire] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: VirtualBox<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0249044834"><div>If you don't need Virtualbox's claimed 3D support (which is actually rather crappy), I'd suggest running Windows under KVM, via vert-manager.<div class="yiv0249044834">KVM is integrated with the Linux kernel, and doesn't require binary drivers on the host.<div class="yiv0249044834"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0249044834"><div><blockquote class="yiv0249044834" type="cite"><div class="yiv0249044834yqt9545665578" id="yiv0249044834yqt96200"><div class="yiv0249044834">On Sep 23, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Paul Zander <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" ymailto="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org">paulz@ieee.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv0249044834Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><div class="yiv0249044834"><div class="yiv0249044834"><div class="yiv0249044834" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21007"><span class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025">Running VB on windows is only a temporary activity. <br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><span class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><span class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025">It was Rick's suggestion that, as an intermediate step, install VB on Windows and have it actually run the virtual version of windows. <br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21042"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><span class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21181"><span class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025">Then, having verified the Virtual windows works, I can safely reformat the HD to my liking, and install Debian using the entire drive. After that, I will used Linux to run VB for those applications for which don't have a Linux counterpart.</span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21183"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><span class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21185"><span class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025">BTW, one thing I noticed along the way was that when I am running windows inside VB, that installation won't need assorted programs like LibreOffice or gimp, which I might wish I could run while windows was open. Another advantage of using virtualization instead of dual-boot. <br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21293"><span class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21296"><span class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21025">Now if the machine had come with Windows install media, this would have been a lot simplier, but we have already beaten that topic into dust.</span></div><div class="yiv0249044834qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21006"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0249044834yahoo_quoted" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_20999" style="display:block;"> <div class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_20998" style="font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_20997" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_20996"> <font class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21004" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474653636319_21255" size="1"> <b class="yiv0249044834"><span class="yiv0249044834" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dan Bikle <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" ymailto="mailto:dan.bikle@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dan.bikle@gmail.com">dan.bikle@gmail.com</a>><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"> <b class="yiv0249044834"><span class="yiv0249044834" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Zander <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" ymailto="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org">paulz@ieee.org</a>> <br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><b class="yiv0249044834"><span class="yiv0249044834" style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" ymailto="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" ymailto="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a>><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"> <b class="yiv0249044834"><span class="yiv0249044834" style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 23, 2016 11:11 AM<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"> <b class="yiv0249044834"><span class="yiv0249044834" style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [conspire] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: VirtualBox<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv0249044834y_msg_container"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><div class="yiv0249044834" id="yiv0249044834"><div class="yiv0249044834"><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv0249044834gmail_default" style="font-size:large;">Paul,<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0249044834gmail_default" style="font-size:large;">Answer to q1: My experience with virtualbox is that it is buggy and unreliable on windows. For USB features and support you will need to see how virtualbox behaves on your PC. I have seen evidence that USB support exists for virtualbox guests but I dont know how reliable it is.<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0249044834gmail_default" style="font-size:large;">Answer to q2: I prefer .txt files.<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0249044834gmail_default" style="font-size:large;">-Dan<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv0249044834gmail_extra"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><div class="yiv0249044834gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Paul Zander <span class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" ymailto="mailto:paulz@ieee.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:paulz@ieee.org">paulz@ieee.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv0249044834gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv0249044834yqt4243766574" id="yiv0249044834yqt17005"><div class="yiv0249044834"><div class="yiv0249044834" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'lucida console', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><span class="yiv0249044834">Many months later, I am moving forward on VirtualBox.</span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><span class="yiv0249044834"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><span class="yiv0249044834">The next step is to actually install VirtualBox.</span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><span class="yiv0249044834"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><span class="yiv0249044834">2 quick questions:</span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><span class="yiv0249044834">1) Regarding hardware. I have at least one Windows program that uses a special USB thingy. Can Windows in VirtualBox, readily find the USB thingy? Will that lock up the entire USB? For example the mouse which is also on USB?</span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><span class="yiv0249044834"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"><span class="yiv0249044834">2) I have been making rather detailed step-by-step notes of the process. It is several pages; Much too long to send as an email. Is this something that should be posted on linuxmafia? If so, what format is preferred? PFD, ODT, TXT?<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv0249044834"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0249044834" style="display:block;"> <div class="yiv0249044834" style="font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div class="yiv0249044834" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv0249044834" dir="ltr"> <font class="yiv0249044834" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr class="yiv0249044834" size="1"> <b class="yiv0249044834"><span class="yiv0249044834" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Rick Moen <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" ymailto="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"> <b class="yiv0249044834"><span class="yiv0249044834" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" ymailto="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a> <br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"> <b class="yiv0249044834"><span class="yiv0249044834" style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 8, 2016 1:26 AM<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"> <b class="yiv0249044834"><span class="yiv0249044834" style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [conspire] (forw) Re: (forw) Re: VirtualBox<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv0249044834"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">Quoting Paul Zander (Paul Zander):<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> Regarding disk and partition units:The particular machine has a 1TB<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> drive. Originally C: 900 GB. There were some "hidden" partitions,<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> which seem to be standard windoz something.<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">If I were you, I would spend some effort figuring out what those are and<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">what they're for.<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> Win8 includes a partition manager, but it has limited functionality.<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">Yes, you'll ideally want to use a real, open source one, run from a live CD<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">(which impliedly includes USB flash) distribution.<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> Regarding flash vs. SSD:Both are solid state memories based on NAND<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> cells which have a limited number of write cycles before they<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> degrade. SSD has a enhancements to increase the life by 10X or more. <br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> Now that think about it, only a few years ago people were questioning<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> if solid state memories were reliable enough to replace spinning<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">> disks. <br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">Early on with NAND flash devices, there was a lot of worry about limited<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">numbers of write/erase cycles and consequent early device death. As you<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">say, current production drives have so extended that number of cycles<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">that nobody is really worried any more. By the time your 2016 SSDs are<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">wearing out, you're almost certain to want to replace them with better,<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">faster, massively higher capacity, cheaper, tinier 2022 SSDs (or whatever).<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">People who remain worried are, of course, perfectly welcome to stick to<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">(slow, power-sucking, heat-and-noise-generating) spinning-rust drives,<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">that aren't exactly immune to device failure, either.<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">______________________________ _________________<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">conspire mailing list<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" ymailto="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0249044834" target="_blank" href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/ listinfo/conspire</a><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">______________________________ _________________<br class="yiv0249044834" clear="none">
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