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    I don't need an email address, I have one, and I will have it until
    I die.  I can give you one also if you want it, for free.<br>
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    Frankly, they seem like AMWAY to me.  There website sucks and is
    largely reflective of what I've seen of them thus far, which is a
    dis conjunctive group of technology people with many commercial
    interests, often in conflict with each other, and huge egos all
    around, which seems to be one of the reasons it doesn't work.<br>
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    I asked because i was sort of railroaded in to joining by one 
    professors at LIU to join and that gets him a nice plaque at the end
    of the year to hang in his office.<br>
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    As a standards based organization, frankly they suck.  They have
    repeatedly made "standards" that are essentially corporate bonuses. 
    They are no doing or funding and real research....<br>
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    It seems so much of late as the Moose lodge.  Those things can be
    good, but I'm a free software person myself and I just don't feel
    like being associated with a bunch of patent whores, and corporate
    interests...  all of them banging on each others chests.<br>
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    I'm at a crossroad with them.  Right now, I can't even make their
    website work correctly and they spam my email box all day and all
    night.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/31/2015 05:27 PM, Paul Zander
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        <div><span>Standards are important.  Think about how well USB
            works because everything is designed according to a common
            set of rules.<br>
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          transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>The history behind
            this policy is that a few times a company has been quietly
            granted patents. Then the company gets involved in the
            writing of a new standard.  Only after the standard has been
            issued does the company claim that everyone must pay
            royalties to meet the new standard.  Had the existence of
            patents been widely known, the standard making committee
            would probably have made different decisions.<br>
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            there was a lot of shouting and several law suits between
            Rambus and companies that actually make memory chips.<br>
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                    style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Don Marti
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dmarti@zgp.org"><dmarti@zgp.org></a><br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Ruben
                Safir <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ruben@mrbrklyn.com"><ruben@mrbrklyn.com></a> <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a> <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                Friday, January 30, 2015 10:30 AM<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                Re: [conspire] ieee<br>
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              begin Ruben I Safir quotation of Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at
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              > Any benifit from them?<br clear="none">
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