<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Pamela Jones' initial impression is that Oracle's case is not without
merit. Since then she has been following the case closely. The current
shenanigans in the discovery process (which ends this week) are highly
entertaining and anyone who hasn't should take a quick look at <a target="_blank" href="http://groklaw.net/"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1313007297_0">groklaw.net</span></a>.<br><br>I
personally don't use Java, so the legal outcome doesn't directly and
immediately affect me. The outcome could conceivably drive some
users/clients/server developers to migrate to Ruby on Rails (which is
starting to displace Java in some areas of "enterprise" software,) which
is what interests me about the case. But in the end, Oracle just wants
money; hard to imagine a judge ordering every Android handset shutdown.<br><br>Sorry
about the top posting, I should find an email account with a service
that more easily facilitates the polite response method.<br><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 8/10/11, Rick Moen <i><rick@linuxmafia.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com><br>Subject: Re: [conspire] Tidbit about the state of Java on Linux<br>To: conspire@linuxmafia.com<br>Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 12:17 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Quoting Adrien Lamothe (<a ymailto="mailto:alamozzz@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=alamozzz@yahoo.com">alamozzz@yahoo.com</a>):<br><br>> It appears there are enough proprietary components in the garden<br>> variety JVM, that Oracle could go after JVM based SAAS websites in the<br>> same manner they are now suing Google over proprietary pieces of Java<br>> in the Android phone.<br><br>I wouldn't be quite that hasty.<br><br>Oracle's lawsuit alleges both patent and copyright
violation, but the<br>copyright claims haven't really been specified, yet. The seven patent<br>claims are cited specifically.<br><br>Speaking specifically of IcedTea, the fact that it's licensed under GNU<br>GPL with a linking exception gives a pretty decent legal defence against<br>hostile patent claims. By contrast, one of Google's problems with Dalvik<br>(Android's independent substitute for a JVM) is that their use of Apache<br>Licence 2.0 for it means they don't get that patent defence.<br><br>> Someone recently told me the only patented pieces of JVM are in the<br>> "mobile" edition, but that doesn't sound correct.<br><br>No, I really don't. There might have been something the speaker was<br>badly misremembering having to do with Sun's patent _licensing_ on<br>Mobile Edition vs. Standard Edition, but I don't care enough to look up<br>details.<br><br>Anyway, patents are hardly a Java-specific problem. They're
the<br>gasoline for the fire currently embroiling all the smartphone firms in<br>lawsuits against each other. And, more generally, determining that _any_<br>bit of technology _isn't_ subject to patent threats is a classic hard<br>problem. See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_patent" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_patent</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>conspire mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" href="/mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br><a href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire" target="_blank">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table>