<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Didn't Han's father testify that years ago he removed the passenger seat from his car, to create more space? So it would be plausible that Hans emulated his father's behavior, to create more space because he was sleeping in the car. Also, Han's mother did nag him to clean up the car.<br>Rick makes a good point about blood stains being almost impossible to remove.<br><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com><br>To: conspire@linuxmafia.com<br>Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:47:28 PM<br>Subject: [conspire] (forw) Re: [Evals] Hans Reiser found guilty<br><br>
----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen <<a ymailto="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com" href="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>> -----<br><br>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:44:13 -0700<br>From: Rick Moen <<a ymailto="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com" href="mailto:rick@linuxmafia.com">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:evals@lists.merlins.org" href="mailto:evals@lists.merlins.org">evals@lists.merlins.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Evals] Hans Reiser found guilty<br><br>Quoting Tim Perdue (<a ymailto="mailto:tim06@perdue.net" href="mailto:tim06@perdue.net">tim06@perdue.net</a>):<br><br>> I drove a '66 Corvair Convertible junker in high school and it had holes <br>> in the floorboards, so this made sense to me.<br><br>But only if it's rusted out, or otherwise been busted up. As you said,<br>a junker: Car manufacturers do not deliberately _put_ drainholes (or<br>any other sort of open holes) into car floorplates, which
is what Hans<br>attempted to explain was his assumption in hose-spraying a large amount<br>of water into his CRX. It would be inordinately strange, even for a<br>coder, to just fire away with a garden hose and then double-take: "Oh,<br>wait! It didn't drain out and there's now an inch of standing water<br>left in my car? Who could have predicted?"<br><br>So, I can easily imagine that, among other things, setting the jurors'<br>bullshit meters swinging.<br><br>That was hardly the only bit of testimony that triggered my bullshit<br>filter, though: Oakland PD's whole theory about the car was<br>problematic. So, Hans transported Nina's body in the front of the CRX,<br>maybe to the Sierra Nevada short of Reno, and then yanked the passenger<br>seat and rinsed out the car with a garden hose in order to erase blood<br>evidence, leaving only a tiny smear of indeterminate age on a sleeping<br>bag stuffsack? Oh,
really?<br><br>Try this experiment: Make a small cut on your finger, and bleed onto an<br>old bit of clothing or (preferably) an old scrap of carpet. Let the<br>blood sit for a couple of hours. Now that the stain has set there nice<br>and firmly, start washing it off with a garden hose and some detergent.<br>Take your time. <br><br>Is the stain now invisible? Could Oakland PD's staff of criminologists<br>no longer hold a snapshot of your item up in court and say "Gosh, looks<br>like a bloodstain"? If so, you're better at removing established<br>bloodstains than generations of clothing-laundering specialists, and I<br>personally have a couple of shirt bloodspots I'd really like your help<br>with.<br><br>So, Hans removed his entire passenger seat in order to move the body in<br>the front passenger space? But Nina was short and small, and it would<br>have been a whole lot easier and less attention-drawing to fit
her<br>corpse (suitably covered up) into the _back_ of the CRX.<br><br>So, the fact that Hans drove to Reno and back, shortly after Nina<br>disappeared, is evidence of guilt and suggests a trip to dispose of the<br>body? OK, then why did prosecution _also_ suggest it was sinister when <br>Hans, while in Santa Rita Jail awaiting trial, showed sudden keen<br>interest in a TV news report about a body being discovered in the<br>Oakland hills? Is prosecution alleging that Hans buried Nina's body in<br>_both_ places?<br><br>As juror, one would not want to dwell _too_ much on apparent bits of<br>nonsense from either side. Jurors would want, during deliberations, to <br>draw up and discuss a written summary of prosecution's theory about what<br>happened, how, where, why. They would examine the presented testimony<br>and material evidence to see if prosecution was able to build a solid<br>case for that theory. On the other side,
they would want to see if<br>defence had managed to adequately defend reasonable doubt in any area<br>that would be fatal to prosecution's case.<br><br>When I see, second-hand, the theory of events that Paul Hora argued for, <br>I do see something that _could_ have happened -- but no compelling case<br>past any reasonable doubt that it did. A reasonable person can _still_<br>legitimately wonder (even) whether Nina's dead at all, let alone<br>murdered, let alone murdered by Hans. So, it's appalling that the jury<br>convicted Hans of first-degree murder largely on the basis of their<br>impression that he's an arrogant, coldly insensitive, shifty little<br>asshole who might be telling them tall-tales and was completely<br>unbelievable on the stand -- which could very well be 100% true but<br>still left Hora without a case meriting a guilty verdict of any sort.<br><br><br><br>----- End forwarded message
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