[conspire] Mailing Lists: Mailman 2 -> Mailman 3, or something different? [was some other subject]

[Elise Scher]

Is this something I could help support, with mentoring to begin with? It’s
been a long time since I programmed for a living. I work two jobs. And I
would have to keep them for now. I have bills to pay.

Elise KI6PUO


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:52 AM Akkana Peck <akkana at shallowsky.com> wrote:

> > Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote on 2024-02-18 12:57:
> > > I'm just*gobsmacked* that it's taken so many people so long to jump
> > > from 2 to 3. Yes, the biggest change is int / int = float (instead of
> > > int) and the other big one is that str can't be used for both text
> > > and binary data.
>
> Ron / BCLUG writes:
> > Plus all the `print` statements need to be converted to `print()`
> functions.
>
> Things like print statements can be translated automatically -- I used a
> program called 2to3 which did a pretty good job of translating all the
> prints and other easily automated changes.
>
> For me, that left a few problems that couldn't be machine translated:
>
> - urllib* got rewritten/refactored, so anything that fetches or parses
> URLs (and didn't use the external module "requests") had to be completely
> rewritten;
>
> - the string/unicode change Deirdre mentioned required a fair amount of
> rewriting, couldn't be automated, and sometimes introduced somewhat subtle
> new bugs that took a while to find and fix;
>
> - there's no python3-gtk, so GTK apps had to be rewritten to use GObject
> introspection, which only works with gtk3, so apps also had to be rewritten
> in GTK3 when they were upgraded to python3 and GIO. (That got a lot easier
> once I found out about the pygtkcompat introspection module, though I
> wonder how long it will continue to be supported.)
>
> It was a hassle, no question. But I'm with Deirdre at being amazed to see
> projects that still haven't upgraded, long after python2 has ceased to be
> maintained.
>
>         ...Akkana
>
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