[conspire] Stolen election narratives, CA edition

[Rick Moen]

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[name redacted] • North Fair Oaks

Dear Mr. Trusting.  There are plenty of ways to rig an election.  Ballot
harvesting, equipment tampering, plain old fake elections.  You know
there are people in prison right now for election fraud right?   Do you
do any research other than watching CNN?  The left fails to pay attention
to all the testimonies of people reporting fraud.  Easier to pretend it
doesn’t exist if you’re covering your eyes.



Rick Moen • West Menlo Park

[name redacted], I noticed during this election that many people rail
against "ballot harvesting", but are unclear on what it means.  I myself
was a minor example of the practice:  My wife Deirdre filled out her
ballot and sealed it in her security envelope, but wanted me to mail it
for her.  Being law-abiding, I insisted on filling in my name (and
signing) in the lower-left spaces on her envelope as the person
conveying her ballot, before I took it to the post office.  That was
(the minimal case of) "ballot harvesting".  

The more typical case was what NBC ch. 7 San Diego covered at megachurch
Awaken Church, which had a box at the collection table:
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/investigations/what-are-the-rules-of-ballot-harvesting-and-is-a-san-diego-megachurch-doing-it-right/2711804/

As NBC 7 points out, what Awaken Church does gets done by a large number
of small efforts, often churches, and is lawful in California, as
follows:  "As long as a third-party collector prints and signs their
name up in the designated box in the top corner of your ballot, and then
drops it off at a county-sanctioned ballot drop-off location within
three days, this type of vote collection falls within the law."

Those voters were choosing to trust Awaken Church staff to deliver their
ballots.  Personally. I chose to trust nobody, not even Deirdre, and not
USPS, either:  I took mine into the county government building (555
Government Center, RC) and deposited it there.  But, suppose I hadn't?

Tell me, [name redacted], how exactly would my deciding to let someone else
convey my sealed, already-voted ballot facilitate someone "rigging" the
election?  Explain it to me.

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[name redacted] • North Fair Oaks

uh well there has been election fraud.  I know your
liberal media refuses to report on it but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t
happened.  Shall I post articles showing you?




[other name redacted] • Greater East San Carlos

Yes please post your articles and do so from a reputable
source.




[name redacted] • North Fair Oaks

Is the AP credible?

https://apnews.com/article/business-california-95b6935d64ab60da519e2296d46df99a

How about a local news report?

https://youtu.be/G8NGOe58uSs




Rick Moen • West Menlo Park

[name redacted] , in what way did that
(https://apnews.com/article/business-california-95b6935d64ab60da519e2296d46df99a)
accomplish election fraud?

Torrance PD found this convicted-felon druggie passed out, in a 7-11
parking lot, with not just stolen ballots in their original mailers
(un-tampered with, unopened), but also Xanax pills, methamphetamine, a
loaded firearm, _thousands_ of pieces of mail, a scale, and multiple
California driver licenses and credit cards in other people’s names.
Torrance PD were last reported trying to figure out what this felon
hoped to do with the ~300 ballots if anything, but Torrance PD and the
county election registrar saw no evidence that the ballots were taken
specifically in an attempt to influence the results of the recall vote,
as there was other stolen mail found with them.

https://keyt.com/cnn-regional/2021/08/24/police-find-300-unopened-recall-ballots-with-gun-drugs-and-mail-in-sleeping-mans-car-by-josh-haskell/

IMO, the pattern observed looks a whole lot like a low-life who broke
into the occupant mail cubbieholes of an apartment lobby, and was
intending to do identity theft.

But let's imagine that he _did_ want to commit election fraud.  OK, how
does that work?  Our meth-head now needs to research how to believably
and closely forge a bit over 300 voters' voting signatures.  How's our
example loser going to do that?  And, of course, stealing only ~300
ballots -- and some figuring out how to closely forge ~300 signatures --
is not even a tiny bit useful in swing an election with 10 million votes
cast.  So, the meth-head had better have ten thousand meth-head friends
each with another 300 stolen blank ballots and unused security
envelopes.  And all ten thousand of those friends need to _also_
research how to each believably forge their respective 300 signatures.

If you don't have at least 10,000 unbelievably smart and determined, and
well-funded meth-heads, it seems to me this method of election fraud is
a non-starter.

You claim otherwise?  OK, tell us how it works.




Rick Moen • West Menlo Park

[name redacted] :  The full story of https://youtu.be/G8NGOe58uSs :

1.  At two Woodland Hills voting centers on Election Day and the
preceding Saturday, electronic poll book devices used at these locations
to check-in voters prior to issuing ballots glitched and incorrectly
claimed that some arriving voters had already voted.

2. Accordingly, all of them were issued provisional ballots, so the
electronic poll book devices' claims could be investigated.  Meanwhile,
new devices were sent to the voting centers, and the old ones put away
for checking.

3.  County registrars found the devices' claims to be incorrect.
Therefore:

4.  All of those voters' ballots were duly counted, as the voters were
able to verify independently.

The number of voters affected were described as "a handful", but an
exact number was not given.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/more-san-fernando-valley-voters-cast-provisional-ballots-as-equipment-issue-persists/

Tell us, please:  Where was the election fraud, in that?

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[other name redacted] • Portola Valley

I'm voting Yes , Mainly because of Health and Fraud .  Look at the
Fraudulent Hole in the envelope lines right up to my yes, I turned it
around.



Rick Moen • West Menlo Park

[name redacted] , oh dear.  That "Fraudulent Hole in the envelope lines
right up to my eyes" thing is a conspiracy myth started Aug. 19th by an
anonymous woman on YouTube and then spread very widely by Mr. Elder and
by Richard Grenell -- and is grossly mistaken.

The envelope holes, which have been present for numerous election
cycles, are to help blind voters find the signature line, and to help
election workers make sure all envelopes have been emptied so their
ballots all get counted.  The same design is used for the same reasons
in a number of other states, such as Utah.

This notion of the holes being present to reveal whom the voter voted
for doesn't even make sense, since there many different orientations and
foldings the ballot may have.  So, as a means for spying on the voter,
they'd make a haplessly ineffective one.  Also, the ballot layout
differs across each of California's 58 counties, and the candidate order
is shuffled randomly in each of the state's 80 Assembly districts, so it
would even work _badly_.  That's not to mention that there'd be no
central location for doing ballot surveillance, since voters can use
drop boxes, the mail, or vote centers.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-check-No-California-s-recall-ballot-was-16401416.php

Please don't be one of the people spreading baseless conspiracy theories
about our elections.  And, by the way, I've been debunking these rumors
as they've emerged over the past few months on my election page,
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/election-2021-09-14.html




[name redacted] • North Fair Oaks

Rick Moen total coincidence on that hole right?  There’s no way the
party that’s been rigging elections would have put the main choice lined
right up with the hole so it’s visible from outside a sealed ballot on
purpose.  No way.  They would never do that.  Socialists trying to
undermine our democracy, capitalism, our society.  No way.  The people
that absolutely despise America.  The people that get triggered by seeing
an American flag.  The people that called a year of riots, looting, and
murders, peaceful protests but called a small handful of people walking
into the Capitol building “an insurrection”.  No way would they purposely
line up the most important part of the ballot with a cheat hole.  Nah.
Trust everything the government does.  Don’t question them.




Rick Moen • West Menlo Park

[name redacted] , you think the "holes in the envelopes" conspiracy
theory is a plausible way to spy on voters?  OK, go ahead, tell us how
that works, given that (1) ballot layout is different for each of the 80
Assembly districts, but the same security envelope is used for the
entire state, (2) voters can fold and insert ballots into security
envelopes in a large number of different ways, (3) there's no single
place where the envelopes pass through on the way to the 58 county
election offices, (4) all of the 58 county election officers are locally
picked by their respective local voters, and are not answerable to
anyone but their own electorates, and (5) every aspect of election
operations is accessible to monitoring by interested members of the
public.

Accusing me of "trusting the government" (by which I guess you mean
longtime elected county assessor-clerk-recorder-elections officer,
former county Supervisor, and former Millbrae mayor Mark Church and his
staff) doesn't answer my question.  How about answering it?  You say
it's "simple"?  OK, tell us how.

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One-stop debunking of (most of) the California recall's crop of "stolen
election" conspiracy theories can be read here:
https://calmatters.org/politics/2021/08/newsom-recall-election-fraud-myths/